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MINUTE.I'M GONNA JUST GO AHEAD AND START.
[1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL]
THIS MEETING TO ORDER.IT IS JANUARY 6TH, 2026 AT 4:30 PM LET'S STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
ALL PLEDGE OF ALLE, FIRE OF THE UNITED STATES AND TO THE REPUBLIC WHICH STANDS.
ONE NATION, UNDERGRAD INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OKAY, ROLL CALL YOUR WHEEL HERE.
COMMISSIONER HARMON WALKER IS UNEXCUSED AT THE MOMENT.
[2. ELECTION OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR]
TO ITEM TWO, ELECTION OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.KURT, DO YOU WANNA EXPLAIN THE PROCESS FOR US PLEASE? SURE.
SO, UM, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
SO, UH, AS THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING OF THE NEW YEAR, YOU GET TO ELECT A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR.
UM, IT CAN BE DONE SIMPLY BY A MOTION, UH, AND A SECOND.
AND THEN A MAJORITY VOTE, UH, WILL, UH, INSTALL A NEW CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.
SO THAT CAN BE AS MUCH DISCUSSION OR DEBATE AS YOU WANT ON ANY OF THOSE MOTIONS.
UM, UH, OTHERWISE WE'LL LET THE INTERIM CHAIR, UM, UH, YOU CAN SET ANY OTHER PROCEDURES YOU'D LIKE TO DO.
I GUESS I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
UM, I MOVE TO MAINTAIN YOU AS CHAIR.
SARAH, I SECOND YOU'VE ASKED FOR DISCUSSION.
ARE THERE ANY NOMINATIONS OR MOTIONS? I CAN'T TELL.
IF YOU'RE LEANING FORWARD, I'D, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR JOE TO NOMINATE JOE TO VICE CHAIR.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? CAN I ASK A QUESTION,
WHO, YOU KNOW HOW WE HAVE THE PROCEDURES OF, WE DO THIS LIKE ONCE A YEAR, CORRECT? IS THAT OPEN FOR DISCUSSION? IT'S, YES.
SO THAT IS SET BY YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE, WHICH ARE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
UH, BUT YOU CAN RECOMMEND CHANGES TO YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE AT ANY TIME.
THEN COUNCIL CAN ENTERTAIN CHANGE IN THAT.
'CAUSE I WAS DOING A LITTLE BIT OF READING ONLINE ABOUT EFFECTIVE LEADERSHIP AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO DISCUSS AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION IS, UM, I'VE DISCOVERED THAT SOME PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS DO A LEADERSHIP ROTATION.
AND THERE'S SORT OF A PERIOD OF TIME THAT YOU DECIDE WHETHER THAT BE SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR AND YOU VOTE IN A CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR, AND THEN AT THE END OF THAT PERIOD IT'S A ROTATION.
THE VICE CHAIR GOES INTO CHAIR.
AND THAT WAY IT SORT OF PROVIDES, IT DISTRIBUTES THE POWER EQUITABLY AND IT REDUCES ENTRENCHED LEADERSHIP AND IT GIVES EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASSUME A LEADERSHIP ROLE.
UM, AND SO I WAS WONDERING IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO DISCUSS IF PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT.
ARE WE GENERALIZED IN A WAY WE COULD TALK ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW.
SO I THINK YOU'RE, IT'S REASONABLY RELATED THAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES IN THE MOTIONS.
WE HAVE TO BRING BACK THE RULES OF PROCEDURE TO CHANGE THEM THE FUTURE.
BUT IF THERE'S ANY, ANYONE ELSE THAT WAS INTERESTED IN THAT IDEA, WE COULD SCHEDULE THAT FOR A FUTURE MEETING DAY.
I THINK IT BUILDS LEADERSHIP CAPACITY AMONGST ALL OF US.
I THINK THAT'S A, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF THAT ROTATION.
OBVIOUSLY WE CAN ALMOST DO IT WITHOUT IT BEING PROCEDURE, BUT IT'D BE NICE TO JUST HAVE THAT YEAH.
OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE HISTORICALLY WE WERE SORT OF MISSING THE ANNUAL VOTE AND PEOPLE WOULD STAY IN THE POSITION FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME.
AND I THINK THAT THIS WOULD PROMOTE MORE DIVERSITY.
UM, AND I'M SURE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PASS ON IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT MM-HMM
IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED, YEAH.
OPT OPTING OUT IS ALLOWED, BUT I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO RAISE AND I KNOW THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE IN OUR ROLES AND PROCEDURES.
SO I'M OPEN TO LOOKING MORE INTO THAT.
ALRIGHT, WELL THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH, YOU WILL SET THAT UP FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.
UM, AND I'LL BRING BACK SOME PROPOSAL LANGUAGE ON THAT AND THEN THAT'LL START THE DISCUSSION AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD GREAT BE GREAT.
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YOU.UM, MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
UM, IN THE LAST MEETING, AGAIN, IF I'M OFF TARGET, JUST SAY SOMETHING.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY GETTING MAYBE A STUDY GROUP TOGETHER TO PROPOSE CHANGES TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR OTHER IDEAS.
HOW DO WE GENERALIZE THAT SO THAT WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AS A TEAM BECAUSE WE JUST, THEY JUST, YOU GUYS WERE MAKING KIND OF FUNNY COMMENTS DURING IT, DURING HIS PRESENTATION, BUT I KNOW THAT ONE, IT'S BEEN AN, AN IDEA.
SO THAT ONE, COMMISSIONER MARTIN, YOU CAN RAISE AT THE END OF THIS MEETING AT FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. OKAY, GREAT.
[3. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF]
ON TO ITEM THREE.ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
WE STILL HAVE ONE VACANCY ON PLANNING AND ZONING.
UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CITY COUNCIL IS INTERVIEWING SOMEBODY NEXT WEEK ON THE 13TH.
SO MORE POTENTIALLY TO BE REVEALED AT THAT TIME.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANNOUNCEMENTS? UM, I HAVE ONE.
HE STARTED THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AGO NOW.
UM, AND SO JUST WANTED TO WELCOME, INTRODUCE YOU TO, I DON'T KNOW.
[4. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES]
ON TO ITEM FOUR, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES.I MOVE TO APPROVE DECEMBER 22ND.
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PUBLIC FORUM.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS 38 DASH FOUR 30.
ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
I ONLY HAVE TWO CARDS UP HERE AND THEREFORE ITEM SIX.
SO IF THERE'S NOBODY ELSE, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THAT ITEM.
[6.a. Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding Arts’n’One: Request for approval of a Minor Community Plan Amendment from Single Family Medium Density (SFMD) to MU (Mixed Use), Zone Change from SU (Special Use, Obsolete Zoning District) to M1 (Mixed-Use Neighborhood) to allow for the expansion of permitted uses on the property at 110 Oak Creek Boulevard. The property is ±0.31 acres and is located on the east side of Oak Creek Boulevard approximately 550 feet south of W State Route 89A. APN: 408-26-039]
MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX, CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING AND PROCEDURES, PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING ARTS IN ONE REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A MINOR COMMUNITY PLAN.AMENDMENT FROM SINGLE FAMILY MEDIUM DENSITY TO MIXED USE ZONE CHANGE FROM SPECIAL USE OBSOLETE, WHICH IS AN OBSOLETE ZONING DISTRICT TO M1 MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ALLOW FOR THE EXPANSION OF PERMITTED USES ON THE PROPERTY AT ONE 10 OAK CREEK BOULEVARD.
THE PROPERTY IS 0.31 ACRES AND IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF OAK CREEK BOULEVARD, APPROXIMATELY 550 FEET SOUTH OF WEST STATE ROUTE 89 A A PN 4 0 8 DASH 26 DASH 0 3 9.
SO I'LL JUST SORT OF EXPLAIN THE PROCESS HERE.
UM, STAFF MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC AND EVERYBODY HAS THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
UH, AND THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION, MOVE IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND THEN TAKE AN ACTION.
SO ALEX, ONE OF OUR ASSISTANT PLANNERS IS GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH THE PRESENTATION FOR THIS.
APOLOGIES IN ADVANCE IF I SPEAK TOO QUICKLY, BUT I'M GONNA INTRODUCE THE PROPOSED MINOR COMMUNITY PLAN, AMENDMENT AND ZONE CHANGE FOR THE ARTS IN ONE PROJECT.
TO GO OVER THE SUMMARY, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED AT ONE 10 OAK CREEK BOULEVARD AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE PAUL KAISER AND SUSAN HERMAN.
THE SITE IS ABOUT 0.3 ACRES AND THE CURRENT LAND USE IS ART STUDIOS.
THE APPLICANTS ARE SEEKING A MINOR COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT TO RE DESIGNATE THE PROPERTY FROM SINGLE FAMILY MEDIUM DENSITY TO MIXED USE.
THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING A ZONE CHANGE FROM SPECIAL USE TO MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BROADLY EMPHASIZE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MINOR COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE ZONE CHANGE.
THE COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT ASPECT WOULD ONLY CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS TO ESTABLISH A VISION FOR THE CITY AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS A TOOL TO IMPLEMENT SUCH.
WITHOUT THE ZONE CHANGE, THE PROPERTY WOULD REMAIN IN THE SPECIAL USE ZONING DISTRICT.
BROADLY SPEAKING, THE PURPOSE OF A ZONE CHANGE ON THE OTHER HAND, WHICH MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, IS TO CARRY OUT THOSE COMMUNITY GOALS OR VISIONS.
AT THE TIME OF THE PREVIOUS 2004 ZONE CHANGE, THE PROPERTY WAS ZONED AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND WAS OPERATING AS A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING JEWELRY CASTING BUSINESS.
THE USE WAS ESTABLISHED PRIOR TO CITY INCORPORATION AND THE PREVIOUS ZONE CHANGE IMPLEMENTED STRICTER LIMITATIONS ON THE USE REGARDING THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
THOSE ON THE NORTH AND EAST ARE DESIGNATED AS MIXED USE IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
AS NOTED IN THE PREVIOUS 2004 STAFF REPORT, THE USES IN THE
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AREA HAVE EVOLVED FROM A TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND NEARBY USES INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO A WELDING SUPPLY STORE AND A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.DURING THE 2004 ZONE CHANGE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS INDICATED TO BE ADJACENT TO THE GRASSHOPPER FLAT SPECIAL PLANNING AREA, WHICH SOUGHT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE VARIETY OF USES NEAR THE SITE AND THE MOST RECENT COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE.
THE SPECIAL PLANNING AREA WAS RED DESIGNATED AS MIXED USE, AND HERE IS A VICINITY MAP SHOWING THE SITE'S LOCATION, WHICH IS SOUTH OF 89 A.
AND HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PARTIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT MINOR IS A CATEGORY BASED ON THE CHANGE REQUESTED AND DEFINITIONS IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR BOTH MAJOR AND MINOR AMENDMENTS ARE THE SAME REGARDING THE ZONE CHANGE.
THE SPECIAL USE DISTRICT, WHICH IS NOW OBSOLETE UNDER THE CURRENT LDC LIMITS THE TENANT SPACES TO ART STUDIOS.
ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS LIMIT THE SALES OF ARTWORK ON THE PROPERTY AND LIMIT THE TYPE OF ART FORMS THAT ARE ALLOWED.
THE PROPOSED MIXED USE DISTRICT WOULD CREATE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES AND COMMERCIAL USES IN THE ZONING DISTRICT TYPICALLY INCLUDE LIMITED RETAIL AND SERVICE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD M1 DISTRICT IS THE LOWEST INTENSITY ZONE THAT ALLOWS LIMITED COMMERCIAL USES AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIVERSE HOUSING TYPES.
UNDER THE M1 ZONE, THE EXISTING JEWELRY MANUFACTURING USE WOULD REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO REMAIN.
AND HERE IS THE COMMUNITY PLAN MAP SHOWING THESE SURROUNDING MIXED USES AND SINGLE FAMILY DESIGNATIONS.
HERE IS THE ZONING MAP SHOWING OTHER SPECIAL USE ZONES NEARBY ALONG WITH MULTIFAMILY ZONES AND OTHER MIXED USE DISTRICTS.
THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR THE PROPOSAL INCLUDED REFERENCES TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES SUCH AS THE COMMUNITY GOALS AND HOUSING GOALS.
OTHER ADOPTED PLANS THAT WERE REFERENCED INCLUDE THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN ALONG WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGARDING THE APPROVAL CRITERIA.
THE FULL EVALUATION IS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
HOWEVER, TO GO OVER SOME OF THE KEY POINTS OUTLINED IN LDC SECTION 8.3, THE PROPOSAL WAS EVALUATED TO ENSURE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH PRIOR APPROVALS ALONG WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OTHER APPLICABLE REGULATIONS.
STAFF'S REVIEW ALSO SOUGHT TO ENSURE THE PROJECT MINIMIZES IMPACTS ON SURROUND, UH, EXCUSE ME, SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS AND MINIMIZES ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL AND PHYSICAL IMPACTS.
THE APPLICANT CONDUCTED PUBLIC OUTREACH AND THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT IS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET MATERIALS.
STAFF COMPLETED THE PUBLIC NOTICING, WHICH INCLUDED BUT WAS NOT LIMITED TO POSTING THE PROJECT DOCUMENTS ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PAGE AND POSTING THE PROPERTY.
AS OF TODAY, STAFFERS RECEIVED ONE PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE MATERIALS.
THE COMMENT HAD CONCERNS REGARDING SHORT-TERM RENTAL USE OF THE PROPERTY, AND THE APPLICANTS HAVE INCLUDED A DRAFT DEED RESTRICTION AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
STAFF BELIEVES THE APPLICATION MEETS THE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINOR COMMITTEE PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE ZONE CHANGE.
AS A RESULT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND WE HAVE INCLUDED OUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IN THE PACKET.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
AND THE OWNERS ARE ALSO HERE AND HAVE A FEW THINGS THEY'D LIKE TO NOTE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION.
TONY, ALL OF MY COMMENTS THAT I'M GOING TO, CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME? THANK YOU.
OH, PAUL KAISER, ONE 10 OAK CREEK BOULEVARD.
UM, ALL OF MY COMMENTS ARE TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM ALEX'S LETTER.
THEY'RE JUST A, A REFERENCE OR, UM, RESTATING EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID.
BUT JUST IN A CONDENSED VERSION TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THIS LETTER IS REFERENCED TO THE ZONE CHAIN APPLICATION OF ONE 10 OAK CREEK BOULEVARD, LOCATED IN THE GRASSHOPPER FLATS NEIGHBORHOOD IN WEST SEDONA.
MY PARTNER SUSAN HERMAN AND MYSELF, PAUL KAISER, BOUGHT THE PROPERTY OVER 30 YEARS AGO.
WE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY, THEN APPLIED FOR A ZONE CHANGE, AND RECEIVED THE ZONE CHANGE BY A UNANIMOUS VOTE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.
THIS ACTION WOULD ALLOW US TO REMOVE THE CURRENT INDUSTRIAL USE OF THE SCULPTURE BRONZE CASTING FOUNDRY AND OBTAIN THE CURRENT ZONE TO AN ART STUDIO COMPLEX.
AFTER THE REZONING APPROVAL, WE TOTALLY RENOVATED THE DILAPIDATED BUILDING.
WE IMPROVED THE PROPERTY TO BRING THE PROPERTY UP TO MATCH THE DESIGN CODE OF SEDONA.
NOW TO, DUE TO RE-IDENTIFICATION, WE ARE SEEKING A ZONE CHANGE TO AN M1 DESIGNATION SO THE PROPERTY COULD BE CONVERTED FROM THE CURRENT ART STUDIO, USE ONLY INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF HOSTING FOUR APARTMENTS WITH THE OR UNITS WITH THE M1 ZONING.
ADDITIONAL IMPACT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OOPS, SORRY.
AT THE PROPERTY'S CURRENT USE, WE WOULD NOT INCREASE ANY, UM, NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WE RECENTLY RECEIVED THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
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I NOW PROVIDE YOU WITH A CONDENSED VERSION OF THE STAFF REPORT.ITEM NUMBER ONE PROJECT DESCRIPTION IS A MINOR COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT.
SPECIAL USE DISTRICT HAS BEEN CONSIDERED OBSOLETE, SO WE WOULD BE ELIMINATED AN OLD OBSOLETE, UM, DESIGNATION.
THE CURRENT USES OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES IN OAK CREEK BOULEVARD, OUR NEIGHBORS INCLUDE A WELDING SHOP CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, AND A MANUFACTURED HOME COMMUNITY OFFICE LOCA.
AND THE OFFICE LOCATION OF THE OAK CREEK WATER COMPANY THAT SUPPLIES THE GRASSHOPPER FLATS WITH COMMUNITY WATER DISCUSSION.
MINOR COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT.
THE REQUESTED DESIGNATION OF M1 SUPPORTS THE REQUESTED ZONE DESIGNATION OF M DASH ONE.
A CO ZONING DESIGNATION WOULD SUPPORT THE PRO PROPOSED USE WITHOUT A, OH, I'M SORRY, THAT'S NOT PROPER HOUSING GOAL.
THE COMMUNITY PLAN CITE A LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THE COMMUNITY PLAN ENSURES THAT ANY FUTURE HOUSING DOES NOT INCLUDE SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
AND WE GAVE UP THAT OPTION, UM, WITH A DEED RESTRICTION.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE LAND USE GOAL RIGHT OUT OF THE STUDY.
SUPPORTING DEVELOPMENTS WITH A VARIETY OF USES TO CREATE TRANSITION BETWEEN COMMERCIAL USES ALONG WITH RESIDENTIAL SPACES.
AND AS DESCRIBED BEFORE, ARE WE DO HAVE A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE FINDING OF THE FACTS.
LAND USE GOALS ALONG WITH THE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY GOALS.
POLICIES AND ACTIONS OUTLINED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY PLANS SUPPORT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS.
THE FUTURE LAND USE INDICATED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS F-M-D-S-F-M-D, WHICH WOULD ALLOW TWO TO FOUR DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THE PROPOSED MIXED USE LAND USE MAY ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS AND THE PROPERTY OWNER'S APPLICATION HAS COMMITTED TO A DEED RESTRICTION AS FAR AS SHORT-TERM RENTALS, LIMITING THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
THE OAK CREEK BOULEVARD NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ALREADY LENT ITSELF TO A MIXED USE THAT GOES BEYOND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WELDING SHOP, OFFICE SPACES, MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, ET CETERA.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH APPLICABLE COMMUNITY PLAN GOALS ON POLICIES AND DOES NOT AS DIRECTLY CONTRADICT ANY GOAL OR POLICY IN THE CITY PLANT AS A ROLL RESULT OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF.
THEY FEEL THAT ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ZONE CHANGE HAVE BEEN MET.
THIS CHANGE WOULD MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
ITEM FIVE, THE STAFF EVALUATION.
NO ADVERSE PHYSICAL IMPACTS ON THE CITY ARE ANTICIPATED AS A RESULT OF THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE.
STAFF BELIEVES THAT THIS CRITERIA HAS BEEN MET.
SELF-EVALUATION, NO CHANGE IN THE SITE.
THE BUILDING IS ALREADY THERE.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT UP TO THE DESIGN CODE OF SEDONA.
IT ALREADY MEET, ALREADY MEETS ALL THE PROPER, UM, DESIGNATIONS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO.
BASICALLY ALL OF THE WORK WOULD BE INTERIOR.
THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF, UM, OF THE PROPOSAL CHANGE BASED ON THE FOLLOWING.
THE PROPOSAL ADDRESS COMMUNITY PLAN POLICIES SUCH AS LAND USE GOALS AND ECONOMY AND TOURISM GOALS.
AS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE GOALS AND POLICIES OUTLINED, THE PROPOSAL COMPLIES WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
FUTURE LAND USE MAPS AS AMENDED UNDER PZ 2 55 DASH 0 0 0 5, MINOR CPA.
THE PROPOSAL DOES NOT DIRECTLY CONTRADICT ANY GOALS OR POLICIES IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN OR OTHER ADOPTED PLAN.
THE PROPOSAL COMPLIES WITH ALL APPLICABLE REVIEW CRITERIA AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
ALL OF THE LANGUAGE IN MY LETTER HAS BEEN TAKEN PRECISELY FROM THE STAFF REPORT THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU.
I HAVE ONLY REITERATED THE STAFF'S FINDINGS.
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PLEASE GIVE US YOUR CONSENT TODAY SO THAT WE CAN MOVE ON WITH THE PROJECT AND PRESENT THIS PROPOSAL TO THE CITY OF SEDONA TOWN COUNCIL.THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I HAVE ONE CLARIFICATION QUESTION.
SO WITH, IF WE APPROVE THE ZONE CHANGE, THEN THE CURRENT USE OF ARTISAN MANUFACTURING IS NO LONGER AN ALLOWABLE USE.
IT'S A CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED USE.
RIGHT? AND SO, SO YOU, THEY, IF YOU WANTED TO KEEP ARTISAN MANUFACTURING, YOU'D BE COMING BACK FOR A CUP.
IS THAT KIND OF HOW THE PROCESS WOULD WORK? YES.
UM, AND YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT? YES.
THAT YOU'LL LOSE THAT USE? OKAY.
I THINK THIS WOULD BE FOR LEGAL WHO ENFORCES THE STR AGREEMENT? UM, SO IT'S SIGNED BY, UH, GENERALLY SIGNED BY BOTH THE OWNER AND THE CITY.
AND SO THE CITY HAS SOME ABILITY, HAS ABILITY TO ENFORCEMENT AS WELL.
SO THERE'S NO OHOA THERE, SO IT'S GONNA BE ENFORCED.
IF SOMEONE COMPLAINS, THEY WOULD COMPLAIN TO WHO? TO, TO THE CITY.
SO YOU CAN GO TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL SPECIALIST, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
IT WOULD GET TO THE RIGHT POINT, UM, IF THE COMPLAINT WAS JUST MADE EVEN ON THE CITY'S ONLINE COMPLAINT DATABASE.
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ZONING.
I UNDERSTAND THIS IS, UH, WE'RE DOING A REZONE FIRST, RIGHT? OR WHICH ONE, WHICH PART ARE WE DOING FIRST? DOES IT MATTER? I MEAN, TECHNICALLY YOU'LL, YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE A RE YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE MINOR COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT AND THEN THE ZONE CHANGE BECAUSE ZONING NEEDS TO BE OKAY.
SO I'LL, I'LL ASK MY QUESTION IN ORDER THEN.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BOTH OF THEM.
SO IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THIS PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE IT WAS NOT INCLUDED ORIGINALLY IN THE MIXED USE ZONE.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S A PROPOSED COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT.
AND DO YOU THINK, WAS THAT JUST LIKE AN OVERSIGHT ON OUR PART? UM, SO THIS AREA, THIS MIXED USE USED TO BE A, A PLANNED AREA AND THAT'S BEEN THE BOUNDARY OF THAT PLANNED AREA.
SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE HISTORY OF WHY.
UM, BUT AS, UM, MR. KAISER SAID THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN USED FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES SINCE PRIOR TO THE CITY'S INCORPORATION.
NOW I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF IT WAS JUST LIKE A, AN OVERSIGHT ON OUR PART, ON THE CITY'S PART.
LIKE OH, WE SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY GRABBED THAT.
'CAUSE I ALREADY HAD A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND STUCK IT IN THERE SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO AMEND THE THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
WE'VE TRIED TO DO SOME CLEANUP, BUT THIS COULD HAVE JUST BEEN MISSED.
I THINK THE PLANNED AREA WAS THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT WERE ESTABLISHED.
YEAH, I WAS JUST, IT WAS JUST CURIOUS.
AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, HOW MANY MORE PROPERTIES DO WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA? OUR PARCELS THAT ARE ZONED? M1? THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE.
'CAUSE I WAS LOOKING ON THE ZONING MAP.
UM, I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS NO M1.
WE'LL NEED TO PICK A COLOR FOR IT.
I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT AND, UM, IN, UH, IN HOW THAT LOOKS.
AND THEN, UM, IN, IN PREPARING FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, I DID NOTE THAT THE ZONING MAP ON THE WEBSITE IS A LITTLE OLD.
BUT IT WAS LAST UPDATED IN 2018.
YEAH, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS, I GUESS, TO SUBMIT A CUP CORRECT.
TO CONTINUE THE USE IS AND THAT'S THE INTENTION.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WHEN I WAS READING THE REPORT, IT LOOKED LIKE THE STR DEED WAS FOR 40 YEARS, BUT IN OUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, IT'S SAYING IN PERPETUITY AND PASSES WITH THE LAND.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
SO I HAD, THE DEED RESTRICTION IS WRITTEN FOR NO LESS THAN 30 DAYS FOR A PERIOD OF 40 YEARS.
IS THAT, I THOUGHT IT SAID 40 YEARS.
BUT OUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS PROPOSED BY STAFF, SAY WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF APPROVAL OF THE ZONE CHANGE, THE PROPERTY OWNER APPLICANT SHALL RECORD A DEED RESTRICTION PROHIBITING ANY RENTAL OF THE PROPERTY OR ANY PORTION OF THE PROPERTY FOR A PERIOD OF LESS THAN 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
THE DEED RESTRICTION SHALL RUN WITH THE LAND AND SHALL BE BINDING UPON THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS, ALL FUTURE OWNERS, AND SHALL REMAIN IN FACT INDEFINITELY OR UNTIL AMENDED OR RELEASED.
I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER.
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40 YEARS? IS IT 40 YEARS OR IS IT AS WE'RE, UM, I'M WILLING TO GIVE IT 40 YEARS.I HAVE NO REASON TO WANT TO CHANGE WHAT WE DECIDE ON TODAY AND BE HAPPY TO SIGN ANY DOCUMENTS OR CONTRACTS.
CAN YOU, DO YOU HAVE IT UP? I THINK IT'S A PART OF THE PACKAGE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT.
I I WON'T BE HERE IN 40 A YEAR.
WELL, AND THE DEED RESTRICTION GOES TO COUNSEL.
WE DON'T ACTUALLY MAKE THE CHOICE ON THE DEED RESTRICTION.
IT GOES TO COUNSEL OR AM I WRONG? CORRECT.
SO THIS IS GOING TO COUNCIL FIRST SO WE CAN, WE JUST, WE CAN CLARIFY.
WE DON'T HAVE, HAVE BEFOREHAND, WE DON'T HAVE TO CORRECT THIS.
WELL, WE'D LIKE TO, WHICH, UH, P AND Z COMMISSION PREFERS OKAY.
AS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
SO YEAH, CURRENTLY YOUR CONDITIONS SAY, UH, HAVE IT, HAVE IT BEING PERMANENTLY.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE OWNER WAS AWARE OF THAT.
'CAUSE THE DEED RESTRICTION LETTER, I WROTE THAT, READ THAT.
I THINK YOU OR YOUR GROUP DRAFTED SAID 40, SO I'M FINE WITH THAT.
SHALL WE DO FOREVER? LET'S DO FOREVER.
HOW LONG IS FOREVER
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, I UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE VOTING ON A ZONING CHANGE, BUT DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO TAKE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION JUST TO APPROVE AND UPDATE A PLAN.
I WAS SURPRISED THAT THAT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE WE REZONE IT AND IT'S DONE AND THE PLAN JUST GETS UPDATED.
I WAS JUST, AS WE GO IN THE FUTURE, BEING A NEW MEMBER, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT WHY WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION, JUST UPDATE A PLAN.
WELL, IT'S THE PLAN, IT'S THE COMMUNITY PLAN OR THE GENERAL PLAN.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY AMENDING A LAW ABIDING DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE TO DO BY LAW.
SO I THINK IT'S BECAUSE IT'S THE PLAN.
OR CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH INCLUDED THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO ANY CHANGES TO THAT NEED TO GO THROUGH THE AMENDMENT PROCESS, WE DON'T GO AND CHANGE THINGS THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVED.
I ACTUALLY DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
UM, ON PAGE THREE OF THE STAFF REPORT, IT SAYS, DA DA DA DA.
AS OUTLINED IN THE PREVIOUS LETTER OF INTENT, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALSO IMPLEMENTED STRICTER LIMITATIONS SUCH AS NO OUTDOOR ACTIVITY, NO AUDIBLE NOISE AFTER NINE AND WINDOW CO WINDOW COVERINGS TO MITIGATE LIGHT POLLUTION.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, IN SUPPORT OF AND, AND BEING COMPASSIONATE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT ALSO WILL CONTINUE? YES.
WE HAVE NEVER HAD A COMPLAINT FROM ANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS DURING I SAW YES.
OUR LAST 30 YEARS OF BEING IN THE BUILDING.
YEAH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY TOOK OF AND KEPT ON TOP OF.
I MEAN, BEST INDICATOR OF FUTURE BEHAVIOR IS PAST BEHAVIORS.
UM, SO ENTERTAIN THIS DISCUSSION IS THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OH, WHAT? IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO OPEN AND CLOSED THE PUBLIC.
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
START WITH THE MINOR CPAI MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINOR CPA.
I MOVE TO RECOMMEND TO THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED MINOR COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT IS SET FORTH IN CASE NUMBER PZ 25 DASH 0 0 0 5 MINOR CPA ARTS IN ONE RE DESIGNATED A PN 4 0 8 DASH 26 DASH 0 3 9 FROM SINGLE FAMILY MEDIUM DENSITY TO MIXED USE BASED ON THE FINDINGS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND SUBJECT TO ALL APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
ANY OBJECTIONS? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
I MOVE TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY, UH, SEDONA CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF PROPOSED ZONING REQUEST AS SET FORTH IN CASE NUMBER PZ TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 0 0 5
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ZC ARTS IN ONE REZONING, A PN 4 0 8 DASH 26 DASH 0 3 9 FROM SU SPECIAL USE TO M1 MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD BASED ON THE CONSISTENCY AND CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCES REQUIREMENTS OF LDC SECTION 8.3 AND 8.6, AND SATISFACTION OF THE ZONE CHANGE FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.ALL OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[6.b. Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding St. John Vianney Food Pantry: Request for approval of a Conditional Use Permit (CUP) to construct a 1,500 sq. ft. Food Pantry. The subject property is located at 180 St. John Vianney Lane, northeast of the intersection at State Route 89A and Soldiers Pass Road. APN: 408-25-041B]
MOVING ON TO ITEM SIX B, PUBLIC HEARING.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING ST.
REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO CONSTRUCT A 1500 SQUARE FOOT FOOD PANTRY.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 180 ST.
JOHN ANI LANE, NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION AT STATE ROUTE 89 A AND SOLDIERS PASS ROAD APN 4 0 8 DASH 25 DASH 0 4 1 B.
SO, UM, YEAH, THIS APPLICATION IS, UH, FOR, SO THE APPLICANT IS RAMI FROM ST.
JOHN BANI CHURCH AND THE APPLICATION IS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR A 1500 SQUARE FOOT FOOD PANTRY AT THE ST.
THROUGHOUT THE NOTICING PROCESS, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT THIS APPLICATION IS FOR THE FOOD PANTRY ONLY, AND DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ZONE CHANGE THAT WAS SUBMITTED AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE GREEN CIRCLE IS APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE NEW BUILDING.
AND THE MAIN BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO CITY INCORPORATION IN 1979 AND HAS OPERATED AS A RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY SINCE THAT TIME.
THE NEW PANTRY IS BEING CONSTRUCTED TO REPLACE THE EXISTING PANTRY THAT HAS BEEN IN OPERATION SINCE 1987.
UH, SO THE FINDINGS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TABLE 3.1.
THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE LISTS FOOD BANK AS A CONDITIONAL USE, CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED ACCESSORY BUILDING OR USE, SORRY,
SO SINCE THE CHURCH IS A NON-RESIDENTIAL USE, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WILL ALLOW FOR THE FOOD BANK.
SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A NEW 1500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING TO BE USED AS A FOOD PANTRY.
SINCE THE BUILDING IS UNDER 2000 SQUARE FOOT, IT WOULD HAD NOT HAD TO GO THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW.
UM, THOUGH THE NEW STATE LAW, OF COURSE, HAS REMOVED THAT POSSIBILITY, UM, THEY'RE REQUESTING NO EXCEPTIONS TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
UM, AND STAFF WILL REVIEW FOR COMPLIANCE ONCE BUILDING PERMITS HAVE BEEN, UH, APPLIED FOR.
SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE, THE, UH, LOCATION OF THE NEW PANTRY COMPARED TO THE CHURCH.
AND THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR THIS APPLICATION IS, OF COURSE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND ARTICLE EIGHT ADMINISTRATION AND PROCEDURES AND APPROVAL CRITERIA.
UH, LDC SECTION 8.3, POINT E FIVE.
UM, THE FULL EVALUATION IS IN MY STAFF REPORT, WHICH HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS.
AND STAFF BELIEVES THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THE APPROVAL CRITERIA.
STAFF COMPLETED THE REQUIRED NOTICING THE ZONE CHANGE, THE ZONE CHANGE IN THE FOOD PANTRY, OF COURSE WERE SUBMITTED AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, WHEN THE FOOD PANTRY WAS MENTIONED IN THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED, MOST OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED WERE GEARED TOWARDS THE ZONE CHANGE, AND THEY USUALLY HAD LIKE A BRIEF MENTION OF THE FOOD PANTRY AND ALL OF THE MENTIONS OF THE, THE PANTRY WERE, UM, FOR SUPPORT.
AND, UM, MOST OF THE OPPOSITION WAS FOR THE ZONE CHANGE.
UM, SO WE DID RECEIVE A COUPLE OF, UH, COMMENTS AFTER THE PACKET WAS MADE AND THEN, UM, WHICH ONE OF THEM WAS INCLUDED IN THE CA PACKET.
AND THEN I ALSO SENT A COUPLE MORE THIS AFTERNOON THAT WE RECEIVED.
AND SO, UH, STAFF BELIEVES THIS APPLICATION
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MEETS THE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.THE USE OF A FOOD PANTRY HAS OPERATED ON THIS SITE SINCE 1987 WITH NO KNOWN COMPLAINTS AND STACK RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITHOUT AN EXPIRATION DATE.
SO THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND, UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND THEY DO HAVE A PRESENTATION PREPARED.
AND MY NAME IS ANDREW RELEY AND I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA.
I'M ALSO THE, UH, PRESIDENT OF ST.
VINCENT DEPA, WHICH IS, UH, WE ARE A LOCAL BRANCH OF AN INTERNATIONAL CHARITY, WHICH FOCUSES ON FOUR THINGS TO FEED, HOUSE, HEAL, AND CLOTHE THE LESS FORTUNATE IN OUR SOCIETY.
UM, WE DO THIS, WE HAVE 45 MEMBERS WHO ARE ALL VOLUNTEERS.
AND AS YOU READ, WE'VE BEEN OPERATING SINCE 1987 ON THE GROUNDS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AT 180 ST.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO FEED, CLOTHE, HOUSE AND, UH, HEAL PEOPLE, WE OFFER TWO SERVICES, WHICH WILL BE TAKEN, WHICH WILL BE, UH, WHICH WILL
AND THE SERVICES ARE, WE HAVE A WEEKLY FOOD PANTRY, WHICH, UM, IS OPEN FROM 9:00 AM TO 11:00 AM EVERY THURSDAY, 52 WEEKS A YEAR.
AND THAT IS STAFFED BY OUR VOLUNTEERS.
AND TYPICALLY WE, UH, WE HELP ABOUT 45 FAMILIES A WEEK DISTRIBUTING FOOD.
WE HAVE A SECOND MEANS OF SERVICE DELIVERY, AND THAT IS OUR CLIENT SERVICES PROGRAM.
AND OUR CLIENT SERVICES PROGRAM IS EXTENDING FINANCIAL HELP TO PEOPLE WHO ARE MEETING AN UNEXPECTED FINANCIAL CRISIS, SUCH AS A DEATH IN THE FAMILY, UNEMPLOYMENT, SICKNESS.
THOSE ARE TYPICALLY THE KIND OF, UH, REASONS WHY PEOPLE SHOW UP AT OUR DOOR.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE ARE THE ONLY ORGANIZATION IN SEDONA, WHICH OFFERS RENTAL ASSISTANCE TO PEOPLE WHO QUALIFY, WHO ARE UNDERGOING SOME KIND OF A CRISIS.
AND BY THAT MEANS WE KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES, WHICH IS A GOAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO KEEP PEOPLE HOUSED.
AND WE ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO ARE HELPING THOSE PEOPLE WITH FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE.
SO WHY DO WE NEED A NEW BUILDING? WELL, AT THE MOMENT WE ARE OPERATING OUT OF ABOUT A 480 SQUARE FOOT PORTABLE BUILDING ON THE SIDE OF THE CHURCH.
WE HAVE AN OFFICE IN THERE, AND WE HAVE OUR PANTRY, OR PART OF OUR PANTRY.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE OF THE SIZE, WE CAN ONLY GET THREE NEIGHBORS OR THREE CLIENTS IN THE PANTRY AT ANY ONE TIME.
SO THIS NEW BUILDING WILL HELP US ACCOMMODATE A LOT MORE PEOPLE AND GET THEM TAKEN CARE OF IN AN EFFICIENT AND SPEEDY MANNER.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT WOULD ACCOMPLISH IS THAT WE WON'T HAVE OUR CUSTOMERS WAITING OUT IN THE ELEMENTS.
RIGHT NOW, NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE THE LITTLE PANTRY, BUT WE HAVE TO SET UP TENTS OUTSIDE IN THE PARKING LOT WHERE WE CAN PUT FOOD ON TABLES SO THAT PEOPLE WHO COME SHOPPING, AND WHEN I SAY SHOPPING, IT'S FREE.
THERE'S NO MONEY CHANGES HANDS, BUT WHEN THEY COME SHOPPING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OUTSIDE.
OUR VOLUNTEERS ARE OUTSIDE AND ONLY A FEW OF THEM ARE INSIDE.
SO THAT ALSO MEANS THAT IF ONLY THREE PEOPLE ARE INSIDE SHOPPING, EVERYBODY ELSE, THE OTHER 40 ODD FAMILIES ARE OUTSIDE WAITING AND THEY CAN BE WAITING FOR AN HOUR OR TWO.
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IN A HUNDRED DEGREE HEAT OR THE RAIN OR THE SNOW OR THE WIND, THAT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR CLIENTS ARE ELDERLY OR THEY'RE VERY YOUNG PEOPLE BRING THEIR KIDS WITH THEM, AND IT'S, UH, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO BE OUTSIDE.SO WE HAVE TWO GOALS WITH THIS NEW PANTRY.
WE HOPE TO CONSOLIDATE ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS INSIDE THE BUILDING AND WE WILL HAVE A WAITING ROOM INSIDE THE BUILDING SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO BE OUTSIDE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE RECEIVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR OUR ENDEAVORS.
IN FACT, THE CITY OF SEDONA IS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST DONORS.
WE RECEIVED A $20,000 GRANT FROM THE CITY THIS YEAR.
WE RECEIVED ANOTHER $20,000 FROM THE ARIZONA COMMUNITY FOUNDATION.
THE CHRIST LUTHERAN CHURCH, UH, GAVE US $7,500 TO PROVIDE FOOD TO THE NEEDY.
THE BURTON FOUNDATION OUTTA PHOENIX SUPPORTS US, AND WE ARE ALSO RECIPIENTS OF A GRANT FROM A NATIONAL, UH, CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION CALLED THE RICE BOWL, AND THEY PROVIDE US WITH MONEY TO FEED THE NEEDY.
UM, FOR ME, I'M A FORMER BUSINESS OWNER HERE IN TOWN.
I'VE SINCE 1981, I OWNED A REAL ESTATE COMPANY.
NOW I'VE DECIDED TO USE MY RETIREMENT TO HELP PEOPLE IN NEED.
THIS COMMUNITY HAS BEEN VERY GOOD TO ME, AND IT'S MY OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO GIVE BACK TO THOSE WHO ARE LESS FORTUNATE.
SO I I'M HOPING THAT YOU WILL APPROVE THIS PROJECT FOR US.
I HAVE HEARD SOME OBJECTIONS, WHICH I WOULD JUST LIKE BRIEFLY TO ADDRESS.
UM, SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT THEY DON'T WANT A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE ON THE PROPERTY, BUT ACTUALLY THE HOMELESS ARE NOT OUR PRIMARY CLIENTS.
OVER 90% OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE ARE UNDERPRIVILEGED, WORKING SEDONA FAMILIES, NOT THE HOMELESS.
SECONDLY, PEOPLE SAY, WELL, THESE PEOPLE MIGHT BE DANGEROUS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE HAVE NEVER HAD ANY INCIDENT OF VIOLENCE, UH, WHERE WE'VE, UH, HAD TO CALL THE POLICE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT WE DO HAVE RULES IN PLACE THAT IF PEOPLE ARE NOT RESPECTFUL TO OTHER NEIGHBORS OR THE CLIENTS, IF THEY'RE NOT RESPECT RESPECTFUL TO OUR VOLUNTEERS, THEN WE TELL 'EM THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO LEAVE AND WE CAN NO LONGER SERVE THEM.
SO WE, UH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMPLAINT FREE BECAUSE WE ENFORCE THE POLICIES THAT WE HAVE.
AND FINALLY, SOME PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC.
AS I SAID, IN A THAT TWO HOUR PERIOD, WE HAVE ABOUT 45 FAMILIES ON AVERAGE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S A CAR EVERY THREE OR FOUR MINUTES, WHICH IS, UH, NOT A LOT IN MY OPINION.
WE DO NOT OPERATE WHEN THE CHURCH IS HAVING SERVICES.
SO WE'RE THERE ON OUR OWN DISTRIBUTING, SORRY, DISTRIBUTING FOOD AND HELP TO OUR NEIGHBORS.
AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING YOUR TIME TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS.
WHO WANTS TO START? I HAVE QUESTIONS.
WE JUST HAVE A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA, OH, SORRY.
ADD TO WHAT, WHAT ANDREW SAID TODAY.
ARE YOU PART OF THE PRESENTATION OR ARE YOU YEAH, WE'RE PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
UM, WELL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TODAY.
CAN YOU PLEASE, SORRY, CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND RESIDENCE? YEP.
AND, UM, THE PARISH HAS HAD A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP, UM, WITH ST.
VINCENT DEPAUL, UM, FOOD PANTRY.
AND THAT CONTINUES TO THIS DAY AND WE CONSIDER OUR PRIMARY OUTREACH, UM, TO THE POOR OF, OF THIS AREA.
AND, UM, WE, WE SUPPORT IT IN, IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.
UM, WE HAVE ABOUT 600 PARISHIONERS AND, UM, THE PARISH HAS, UM, COMMUNICATED TO ME AND, AND, AND, AND ANOTHER WAY IS THAT THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT AND WE, WE ACTUALLY DO A MONTHLY COLLECTION FOR ST.
AND A LOT OF THE FUNDRAISING HAS BEEN DONE FOR THIS BUILDING, BUT THERE'S STILL MORE.
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IS GOING TO BE WORKING DIRECTLY WITH ST.VINCENT'S DEPAUL, UM, TO RAISE THE REST OF THE MONEY.
UM, I, I THINK THAT THIS IS A, AN IMPORTANT PROJECT, UM, IN TERMS OF SAFETY AND SECURITY FOR OUR PARISH.
UM, THE CURRENT LOCATION, I ALWAYS SAY, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT THEY CAME UP WITH THAT LOCATION.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A GOOD LOCATION.
UM, IT CAUSES A LOT OF TRAFFIC JAMS. UM, IT CAUSES PROBLEMS. UM, WE, WE NAVIGATE THAT EVERY WEEK, BUT, BUT THIS LOCATION IS, IS MUCH BETTER IN THAT REGARD.
UM, IT PROVIDES BETTER ACCESS, UM, BETTER PARKING, AND IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO CONSOLIDATE, UM, WHAT ST.
VINCENT DEPAUL IS DOING INSIDE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A HUGE THING.
SO THE TENTS ACTUALLY BLOW AWAY SOMETIMES.
UM, AND THAT, AND THAT, THAT WOULD GO AWAY, UM, THANKFULLY AND SERVE THE PEOPLE WE SERVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
AND I, I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE CONFUSION, BUT THIS IS THE ONE PROJECT THAT ST.
JOHN BANI PARISH IS WORKING ON AT THIS TIME.
AND WE HAVE WITHDRAWN OUR, OUR APPLICATION FOR REZONING.
UM, WE HAVE NO PLANS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THAT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING AT THIS TIME.
UM, AND, AND SO OUR, OUR MAIN PROJECT IS THE ST.
VINCENT NEPAL, UM, FOOD PANTRY.
AND WE'RE, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT AND HOPE THAT, THAT, THAT GETS PASSED TODAY.
I'M, I'M, I'M GONNA PASS IT NOW TO DOUG MCCORD, UM, WHO IS THE ARCHITECT WORKING ON THIS PROJECT.
I'M DIRECTOR OF DESIGN FOR A A RT.
I'M A RESIDENT OF PRESCOTT AND WE WORK ALL OVER ARIZONA AND LOVE THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS.
IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO WORK ON THIS PROJECT, UM, TO PROVIDE BETTER SERVICES.
AND WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS TUCK IT INTO THE SITE FOR THE LEAST DISRUPTION TO THE CAMPUS AND MAKE IT A, A HANDSOME BUILDING THAT PROVIDES SOME DIGNITY AND A GREAT PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO BE INSPIRED, INCLUDING VOLUNTEERS AND THE CLIENTS THAT GO THERE.
UM, AND TRYING TO TUCK IT IN THERE AND DODGE A CENTURIES OLD JUNIPER TREE TOO, AND TRYING TO KEEP THAT ON THE SIDE AS A PLACE FOR GATHERING.
RIGHT, RIGHT HERE OUTSIDE, UM, OUTSIDE THE BUILDING.
RIGHT OUTSIDE THAT FRONT PORCH, ACTUALLY.
SO TRY TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, A LIMITED BUDGET.
IT'S STUCCO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UM, STONE AND A LITTLE BIT OF METAL IN THERE, SOME OF THESE NATURAL MATERIALS.
UM, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE SITE PLAN, I'D BE HAPPY TO TO ANSWER THOSE.
UH, MY NAME IS MAUREEN KZA AND I'M THE COORDINATOR FOR CLIENT SERVICES.
OUR CLIENT SERVICE VOLUNTEERS WORK IN PAIRS SERVING A VITAL SAFETY NET FOR OUR FAMILIES AND INDIVIDUALS WHO MANAGE THEIR BASIC EXPENSES SUCH AS THE RENT, UTILITIES, FOOD, AND CHILDCARE.
MOST OF OUR CLIENTS ARE ASSET LIMITED, INCOME CONSTRAINED DESPITE WORKING, OTHERS ARE FACING MEDICAL CRISES.
BY FOCUSING ON SITUATIONAL POVERTY AND EMERGENCY AID.
VINCENT DEPAUL TARGETS THE BARRIERS THAT CAUSE LONG-TERM HOUSING INSTABILITY.
MOST OF OUR CLIENTS ARE THE WORKING POOR.
WHEN THEY ARRIVE AT THE PANTRY, THEY ENDURE MANY DAYS OF CONSTANT WORRY, ANXIETY, MOOD CHANGES DUE TO THEIR FINANCIAL SITUATION.
WE CONDUCT CLIENT INTERVIEWS IN A SMALL, CROWDED ROOM, AND ON BUSY DAYS, OUR CLIENTS MAY WAIT UP TO TWO HOURS TO BE SEEN, WHETHER PERMITTING AND WHEN WE HAVE ADDITIONAL CLIENT WORKERS ON SITE, WE HAVE RESORTED TO INTERVIEWS IN OUR PARKING LOT AT PICNIC BENCHES, SITTING ON THE PANTRY STAIRS, AND STANDING AMONG THE CANNED GOODS IN THE PANTRY JUST TO KEEP THE WAITING TIME UNDER TWO HOURS FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS TO ADDRESS THESE CHALLENGES.
WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL OFFICE TO CONDUCT PRIVATE AND DIGNIFIED CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR CLIENTS WHILE RE WHILE RECOUNTING THEIR SITUATION.
THE CLIENTS OFTEN BECOME CHEERFUL AND EXPRESS HOW DEMORALIZING IT IS TO ASK FOR ASSISTANCE.
THEY FEAR BECOMING HOMELESS AND CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE WORST SCENARIOS.
THE NEW BUILDING WILL PROVIDE US WITH ONE ADDITIONAL PRIVATE OFFICE WHERE OUR VOLUNTEERS
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AND CLIENTS CAN MEET IN A PRIVATE ENVIRONMENT THAT PROMOTES THE INDIVIDUAL'S DIGNITY.AND WE WILL NOW HAVE OUR PANTRY MANAGER IS AVAILABLE, PLEASE.
HEY, I'M JOHN S AND I RUN THE PANTRY.
I'M GONNA DO A LITTLE BIT OF TALKING HERE AND THEN I CAN TAKE QUESTIONS IF NEED BE.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU.
MY NAME IS JOHN S AND I SERVE AS PANTRY MANAGER FOR THE FOOD PANTRY AT ST.
THIS IS A VOLUNTEER POSITION I HELD FOR TWO YEARS.
I'M A HUNDRED PERCENTER, UH, SEDONA.
UM, MOVED HERE TO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
SO, UM, UH, FORTUNATELY I GO TO ST.
JOHN BNI, UH, PARISH AND, UM, THE, THE ATTRACTION TO THE PANTRY, UH, FELT GOOD.
UM, AND SO DIDN'T TAKE TAKE VERY LONG AS, UH, AS COLON, UM, PRESENTED HIMSELF, UH, WHO RAN THE PANTRY BEFORE ME AND SAID, JOHN, YOU NEED TO RUN THIS THING.
UM, SO IN 2025, OUR AVERAGE, UH, FAMILIES WERE 44 FAMILIES EVERY WEEK.
THAT NU THAT NUMBER IS REMARKABLY CONSISTENT WITH 2024, WHERE WE SERVE AN AVERAGE OF 46 FAMILIES PER WEEK.
THESE NUMBERS MATTER BECAUSE THEY SHOW STABILITY.
UM, THERE IS NO, UH, EXPECTATION OR INTENT.
WE GROW DRAMATICALLY OR EXPAND BEYOND OUR CAPABILITIES.
ADDITIONAL SPACE WE NEED TO SERVE THE FAMILY WHO ALREADY RELY ON US IN A WAY THAT IS SAFER AND MORE RESPECTFUL.
EACH WEEK, WE PROVIDE BASIC FOOD AND ESSENTIAL HOUSEHOLD ITEMS, THINGS MANY OF US TAKE FOR GRANTED, SUCH AS SOAP, TOILET TISSUE, MILK, PASTA.
IN 2025, WE ALSO DISPIRITED $7,520 IN GROCERY GIFT CARDS.
UM, WE GET THAT IS DONATED GENEROUSLY BY SAFEWAY IN BASHES, AS YOU KNOW, ALLOWING, UH, FAMILIES TO PURCHASE FRESH FRUIT AND ITEMS TAILORED TO THEIR NEEDS.
WE ALSO, UH, SUPPORT TOYS FOR TOTS EVERY YEAR AT CHRISTMAS.
UH, THESE PEOPLE THAT NEED HELP ARE RESIDENTS OF THE VERDE VALLEY.
OUR PANTRY IS SUPPORTED THROUGH STRONG PARTNERSHIPS, ST.
MARY'S FOOD BANK, AND FROM THE GENEROUS DONATIONS OF THE PARISHIONERS OF ST.
UM, THE REASON, UH, ACTUALLY EVEN TODAY, UH, ST.
MARY'S FOOD BANK CAME IN THE MORNING.
WE GOT, UM, ACTUALLY ORGANIC, UH, BANANAS, WHICH WAS REALLY COOL.
BUT WE, WE, WE GOT, UH, MILK AND EGGS, WHICH IS, IS, IS A PLEASURE TO HAVE.
AND THEY DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO PHOENIX, COME AND THEY DROP OFF THE FOOD FOR US.
AND THEN WE STORE IT, UM, ON TUESDAYS, UM, FOR, AND LIKE THEY SAID, UH, WELL I'LL GET TO THAT LATER.
VINCENT DE PAUL IS STILL, THEY, THEY COME FROM PHOENIX AS WELL.
THERE'S GENEROUS DONATIONS FROM ST.
JOHN BANI, THE PARISH THAT WE HAVE, UM, DONATES.
THE, THE OTHER, UH, BIG DONATION IS, IF YOU EVER HEARD OF GREEN BAG, UM, GREEN BAG SUPPLIES, UH, IT'S, IT'S DONE INTO THE VILLAGE AND WE JUST PICK UP.
THEY SEND OUT, YOU PROBABLY KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT THEY SEND OUT GROCERY BAGS AND, AND YOU KNOW, THEY PICK 'EM UP, PICK UP THE FULL ONES, AND THEN THEY, WE DISTRIBUTE BETWEEN ALL THE FOOD BANKS IN THE SEDONA AREA.
THIS IS WELL ESTABLISHED, RESPONSIBLE MANAGED OPERATIONS WITH A PROVEN TRACK RECORD AND CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE LIMITS.
WE CANNOT AND DO NOT EXPECT TO SUPPORT SIGNIFICANT GROWTH.
WHAT WE DO EXPECT IS CONTINUE MEETING A STEADY ONGOING NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WHEN FAMILIES COME TO RECEIVE FOOD, THEY MUST STAND OUTSIDE REGARDLESS OF WEATHER AND THE HEAT, THE COLD WIND, OR DURING STORMS. VOLUNTEERS SET UP CANOPIES IN EFFORT TO SHIELD PEOPLE FROM THE ELEMENTS WHILE WE DO OUR BEST.
PEOPLE WAIT IN LINE OUTDOORS SOMETIMES FOR EXTENDED PERIODS, DURING MOMENTS WHEN THEY MAY ALREADY BE VULNERABLE.
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WOULD CHANGE THAT.IT WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR CANOPIES ENTIRELY.
FAMILIES WOULD BE ABLE TO COME INSIDE OUT OF THE HEAT, THE COLD IN THE RAIN.
THEY WOULD BE WELCOMING IN THE SPACE WITH EVEN MORE RESPECT THAT REFLECTS THE DIGNITY OF EVERY PERSON DESERVES.
OUR PANTRY IS ENTIRELY STAFFED BY VOLUNTEERS, ALL OF THEM, SEDONA RESIDENTS AND 2025 ALONE VOLUNTEER COMPUTER, 3,500 HOURS OF THEIR TIME.
UH, THESE ARE THE NEIGHBORS HELPING NEIGHBORS, PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP WEEK AFTER WEEK BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE NO ONE IN OUR COMMUNITY CAN, SHOULD GO HUNGRY.
THE REQUEST EXPANSION SUPPORTS NOT ONLY THOSE RECEIVING FOOD, BUT ALSO THE VOLUNTEERS.
ON A PERSONAL NOTE, SERVING AS A PANTRY MANAGER HAS MEANT A LOT TO ME.
IT HAS OPENED MY EYES TO, UH, THE QUIET NEED THAT EXISTS EVEN IN THE PLACE AS BEAUTIFUL AS SEDONA.
THIS WORK HAS DEEPENED MY BELIEF THAT A STRONG COMMUNITY IS MEASURED NOT ONLY BY ITS SCENERY OR PROSPERITY, BUT HOW IT TREATS ITS MOST VULNERABLE MEMBERS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
UM, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I DO ACTUALLY HAVE IN MY POCKET A KEY TO THE PANTRY.
IT'S A FIVE MINUTE DRIVE AND I CAN SHOW YOU THE OFFICE THAT MARINE HAS TO GO THROUGH, UM, WHEN WE HAVE OUR CLIENTS GO IN TO SEE IF THEY CAN GET A TIRE CHANGE OR THEY CAN GET RENTAL OR THEY CAN.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN ANSWER ANYTHING ABOUT THE PANTRY THAT YOU, THAT YOU WISH.
ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
YES,
VINNY'S IS, UH, IS A PRETTY AWESOME ORGANIZATION.
UH, OVERALL IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL.
WE DID RECEIVE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT HANDICAPPED PARKING.
NOW WE'VE BEEN TO THE CHURCH AND I'VE SEEN YOUR HANDICAPPED PARKING, BUT CAN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PARKING FOR THIS FACILITY? I DON'T KNOW IF THE ARCHITECT CAN ANSWER THAT.
WE DO HAVE, UH, ABOUT A DOZEN HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACES AND ALL OF THEM WILL BE AVAILABLE WHEN THE PANTRY IS OPEN.
THE ON THE TWO OF THEM WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE WHEN WE'RE ON UNLOADING THE TRUCKS FROM ST.
MARY'S FOOD BANK, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CLIENTS AT THAT TIME.
SO THERE'S NO IMPACT ON HANDICAPPED PARKING.
SO ONCE THE BUILDING IS COMPLETED, YOU'LL HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF HANDICAPPED PARKING THAT YOU HAVE TODAY? YES.
IT'S BEEN BUILT ON RAW GROUND.
IT'S NOT BEING BUILT ON AN EXISTING PARKING LOT.
WE JUST GOT A COMMENT ABOUT IT.
SO I THOUGHT I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THAT QUESTION FOR SURE.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT CAME OUT AS, UH, AS, UH, THE ORIGINAL REQUEST FOR THE ZONING CAME OUT AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE BRINGING PUBLIC COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT, UH, A COUPLE TIMES WAS IN REGARDS TO FOLKS CAMPING ON SITE, ON CHURCH PROPERTY.
UM, SO I JUST KIND OF WANNA FOLLOW THROUGH THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT WAS A COMMENT THAT WAS MADE A LOT AND I THINK IT'S A FAIR DISCUSSION.
UM, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT? WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU HAVE FOLKS THAT MAYBE WANNA HANG OUT A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN, THAN THE BUSINESS HOURS? WE HAVE, UH, MULTIPLE SIGNS UP SAYING NO OVERNIGHT CAMPING OR PARKING IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND IF WE DO FIND THAT PEOPLE ARE HANGING OUT THERE WHEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE, UH, WE ASK THEM TO LEAVE IF THEY, IT HASN'T HAPPENED.
BUT IF THEY WERE TO SAY NO, WE WOULD SAY, YOU ARE TRESPASSING AND WE'LL CALL THE POLICE IF YOU DON'T LEAVE.
AND THAT'S THE END OF THAT MATTER.
BECAUSE THAT'S ALWAYS, THAT'S A CONCERN OF SOME FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY AND IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP IN SOME OF THE COMMENTS, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER AND, AND YEAH, FOR SURE.
FATHERS, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN ADDRESSING THE LAST COUPLE YEARS AND WE'VE DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PRUNING ON OUR PROPERTY.
AND ONCE YOU P PRUNE YOUR PROPERTY, THEN IT'S HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO CAMP ON YOUR PROPERTY.
UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A, A MAINTENANCE MAN WHO'S BEEN VERY DI DILIGENT AND HE GOES OUT, UM, AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK AND WALKS THE PROPERTY.
AND, AND SO WE DEFINITELY DISCOURAGE IT AND IF WE EVER FIND IT, THEN WE ASK THEM TO LEAVE.
AND IF THEY DON'T LEAVE, THEN, THEN WE, UM, HAVE TO CALL THE POLICE.
SO, UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T THINK IT'S SAFE FOR THEM TO BE ON OUR PROPERTY FOR, FOR THEMSELVES OR FOR US.
AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY ADDRESSED IT.
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YOU SO MUCH.WELL, I WANNA GO BACK TO THE, UM, THE CONCERN ABOUT THE, THE, I GUESS THE HANDICAP PARKING ONLY BECAUSE THIS PERSON THAT RAISED THE ISSUE SAID THEY ARE ALL FOR THE, THE PROJECT.
UM, BUT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE THE PARKING WAS, THAT IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO GET IN IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS LIKE THE NEW DRAWING OF WHERE THE NEW PARK HANDICAPPED PARKING IS GONNA BE OR THE CURRENT, UH, AND IF YOU WERE ABLE TO READ THEIR CONCERN, THEN MAYBE YOU CAN INSTRUCT ME WHAT IF THAT'S BEEN DEALT WITH? I, I DID READ THE CONCERN AND THE NEW BUILDING IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO TWO HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACES.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING, THERE'S AMPLE REGULAR PARKING.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A CONCERN BECAUSE IT'S NOT CH NOTHING IS CHANGING.
WELL, IF YOU WOULD KNOW YES, I'M HANDICAPPED MYSELF.
I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE ARCHITECT.
UM, I WAS CURIOUS WHY THE LOCATION WAS CHOSEN.
I DROVE THE SITE TODAY AND THAT FRONT AREA IS SO BEAUTIFUL WITH OLD GROWTH TREES AND SEATING AREAS AND IT'S JUST, IT'S QUITE ESTABLISHED.
AND I WAS WONDERING WHY IT WASN'T PLACED MORE IN THE RAW LAND, LIKE BEHIND THE BASKETBALL, UM, HOOP.
WE, YEAH, WE'VE LOOKED AT A LOT OF LOCATIONS ON THE SITE AND, YOU KNOW, NOT TAKING UP PARKING, NOT BEING IN THE WAY OF FUTURE PLANS FOR A RETREAT CENTER.
AND HOW THAT WOULD, HOW THAT WOULD PLAY, UH, WHERE THE TRUCKS CAN GO, WHERE THEY CAN TURN AROUND, WHERE THEY CAN DELIVER.
AND THAT BEAUTIFUL AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND SITTING UNDER WHERE IT'S CURRENT, THOSE, THAT'S THE AREA WE'RE MAINTAINING.
WE'VE SNUGGLED IT IN THERE SO WE'RE NOT CHOPPING DOWN ANY OF THOSE.
IT ALSO LOOKS A LITTLE STEEP TOO.
SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO CUT INTO THAT IN THAT HILLSIDE.
THERE'LL BE ABOUT THREE FEET OF, OF CUTTING INTO THAT, THAT AREA.
IS IT PRETTY TYPICAL THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE FOR A CUP, UM, FOR CS THAT INVOLVE LIKE BUILDING A BUILDING OR FOR AN ESTABLISHED USE THAT HASN'T CREATED ANY ISSUES? MM-HMM
UM, I THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT.
I I HOPE THAT THIS ISN'T A LIMITING PROJECT.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO BUILD THE BUILDING THAT YOU NEED TO BUILD TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND THEN NOT BE LIMITED BY YOUR CONCERN OF US.
UM, YOU WANT TO, 1500 SQUARE FEET IS A LOT BIGGER THAN YOU HAVE NOW, BUT IT IS STILL NOT A VERY BIG BUILDING.
UM, SO I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE WORK YOU'RE DOING AND, AND I DO HOPE YOU GROW AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU FEED THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING, I WANNA LET YOU GUYS KNOW.
I THINK, I THINK YOU GUYS ALL HERE, I DON'T NO, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A CARD AT THIS POINT.
I THINK IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT, UH, PROCESS AND PROCEDURE, BUT ANYTHING ROB, I HAVE NOTHING.
SO I'M GOING TO OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC FOR COMMENT.
THE FIRST PERSON, DAVID MASCONE, MASCON, I APOLOGIZE IF I'M MISPRONOUNCING THAT.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCY AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
I'M DAVID MECO AND I LIVE IN THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK.
I HEAR, I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AND THIS WILL BE A DIFFICULT CONVERSATION BECAUSE I WILL BE BRINGING TO BEAR ISSUES.
AS I MENTIONED, I'M HERE BY MYSELF.
I FULLY SUPPORT THIS, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
PARKING, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT PARKING.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT DIAGRAM, YOU SEE THAT THE PANTRY IS AT THE END OF THE LONG ONE WAY STREET.
THERE WAS LESS PARKING IN THIS PLACE.
IF THAT PARKING EXHAUSTS AND THERE IS A PROSPECT THAT IT WILL EXHAUST THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW DRIVING
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NEED TO CIRCLE AROUND.YOU WILL HAVE CIRCLING, YOU WILL HAVE DRIVER FRUSTRATION, YOU WILL HAVE INCREASED TRAFFIC FRICTION, AND YOU WILL HAVE DRIVER PEDESTRIAN INTERACTION.
NO ANALYSIS HAS BEEN DONE ON THE PROBABILITY OF EXHAUST SPACE.
YOU HAVE HEARD PEOPLE HERE TALK ABOUT THE ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WAIT OUTSIDE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE FOOTPRINT AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTATION, NO INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED ON WHETHER OR NOT THE EXPANSIVE SERVICES THAT ARE BEING ADDRESSED HERE WILL FIT WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT.
IN PARTICULAR, THESE SERVICES REQUIRE LARGE PARTS OF THE BUILDING TO BE SEGREGATED, WHICH IS IN CONFLICT WITH THE NEED FOR OPEN SPACE AND FLEXIBLE SPACE FOR FOOD.
THEY TALKED ABOUT 45 PEOPLE WAITING.
THE WAITING ROOM FOR 45 PEOPLE IS PROBABLY 1500 FEET.
THESE ARE DIFFICULT THINGS FOR ME TO SAY.
I SAY THEM AS AN EXTERNAL OBSERVER.
I DO NOT SAY THEM IN OPPOSITION.
I SAY THEM IN REALITY THAT AS I LOOK OVER THIS, I CAN'T QUITE GET THE PIECES TO WORK.
NOW, I DO RECOMMEND THAT YOU APPROVE THIS, BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN HOW TO GO FORWARD AND GET A CLEAR DELINEATION OF WHETHER THE ISSUES THAT I BRING UP ARE OF NO CONSEQUENCE OR IF THEY ARE MAJOR CONSEQUENCE.
SO WE NEED TO APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, BUT WE NEED A PROCESS THAT SAYS, DO YOU NEED MORE PARKING? BECAUSE THAT COSTS MONEY.
IS THE BUILDING BIG ENOUGH? WE DO NOT KNOW IF THE PARKING IS ADEQUATE.
WE DO NOT KNOW IF THE BUILDING IS BIG ENOUGH.
WE NEED TO APPROVE THIS, BUT THEN WE NEED TO RESOLVE THOSE QUESTIONS.
AGAIN, I'LL APOLOGIZE TO MY FELLOW PARISHIONERS, BUT I NEEDED TO SAY THESE THINGS.
UH, MY NAME IS RAY MICHELLE LAROY, REMI FOR SHORT, AND I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF SEDONA FOR OVER 10 YEARS, AND A PARISHIONER AT ST.
JOHN ANI FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS.
JOHN VI FOR ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF YEARS.
AND I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING CLOSELY WITH ST.
VINCENT DEPAUL ON THIS PROJECT OVER THE PAST YEAR.
YOU MAY NOTICE MY NAME IS ON YOUR AGENDA.
UH, AND THEY'RE AN INCREDIBLY IMPRESSIVE OPERATION.
THEY'RE ORGANIZED, THEY'RE PROFESSIONAL.
THESE FOLKS ARE SOME OF THE MOST LOVING AND CHARITABLE PEOPLE I KNOW.
VERY REASONABLE AND INTELLIGENT.
AND I CAN ALSO TELL YOU, BECAUSE I WORK AT THE PARISH, I'M THERE EVERY THURSDAY MORNING COMING TO WORK, AND I SEE ALL THE TABLES OUT WITH THE TARPS BATTLING THE ELEMENTS, AND THIS TEENY TINY BUILDING.
AND WHAT THEY DO WITH THAT RIGHT NOW IS AMAZING.
SO WHAT THEY COULD DO WITH A, A BETTER BUILDING, A BETTER LOCATION, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE.
UM, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE WONDERFUL.
AND I'VE ALSO BEEN ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE BLOCKED BEHIND A FOOD TRUCK DELIVERY, UH, WITH THE CURRENT LOCATION.
UM, IT'S JUST NOT IDEAL AT ALL.
SO WITH THE NEW LOCATION, THE TRUCK'S GONNA BE ABLE TO PULL TO THE SIDE.
THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS GONNA BE NO PROBLEM AT ALL.
WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT LOSING ANY PARKING SPOTS.
UH, AND THE PARISH HAS A HUNDRED FIFTY, A HUNDRED SEVENTY FIVE PARKING SPOTS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING.
THE TRAFFIC SHOULD FLOW MUCH BETTER THAN IT DOES NOW.
AND I LOVE WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER, THAT, UH, INDICATOR OF FUTURE BEHAVIOR IS PAST BEHAVIOR.
VINCENT DEPAUL OBVIOUSLY HAS AN IMPECCABLE TRACK RECORD AT ST.
THEY JUST NEED A BETTER FACILITY TO DO THEIR WORK.
AND, UH, THEY HELP PEOPLE HERE IN SEDONA GOING THROUGH A ROUGH PATCH.
AND LORD KNOWS WE ALL GO THROUGH A ROUGH PATCH SOMETIMES.
AND IT'S GREAT TO BE IN A COMMUNITY WHERE WE HAVE SOMEONE TO CALL TO HELP KEEP US OUR HEADS ABOVE WATER, UH, WHEN WE HAVE A ROUGH CHAPTER.
UH, SO I OBVIOUSLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU SUPPORT THIS ORGANIZATION AND THIS PROJECT, UH, THIS NEW BUILDING.
VINCENT DEPAUL IS GONNA BE IN GOOD HANDS.
AND BECAUSE I HAVE A MINUTE, I'M JUST GONNA SAY, I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM ON THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AND THE LOCATION, AND THEY KNOW THE INS AND OUTS, THEY'RE THERE EVERY DAY.
AND, UM, WE ALL DETERMINE THAT THIS IS JUST THE BEST SITUATION FOR THE NEW BUILDING.
SO I HOPE THAT YOU APPROVE IT TODAY.
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THANK YOU.SO IF THERE'S NO FURTHER CARDS, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
VINCENT'S DEPAUL IS A, YOU KNOW, A GREAT ORGANIZATION AND I'VE KNOWN IT FOR DECADES.
I VOLUNTEERED, MY MOM'S VOLUNTEERED.
DIFFERENT PARISH, BUT STILL VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE ORGANIZATION.
YOU KNOW, IT'S SUCH A BEAUTY TO BE ABLE TO OFFER AID IN A, UM, QUALITY SPACE, RIGHT? AND TO SHOP FOR YOUR FOOD INSTEAD OF JUST GETTING WHAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN.
SO NOW YOU HAVE A CHOICE OF WHAT YOU GET TO BRING HOME TO YOUR FAMILY.
SO I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND AND BE ABLE TO PUT FORWARD, UM, A CARING AND RESPECTFUL PLACE FOR PEOPLE IN CRISIS TO GET HELP.
UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS COP.
WELL, MY WIFE LIKES SMALL BUILDINGS,
AND, UM, BEFORE I LEFT TODAY, SHE SAID THAT BUILDING IS TOO SMALL,
SO, UH, I'LL BE SUPPORTING IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
I WISH IT COULD ACTUALLY BE A LOT BIGGER.
UM, AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
IT'S ALSO NOT JUST THE FAMILIES YOU SERVE, BUT ALSO TAKING CARE OF YOUR VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE SUBJECT TO THE ELEMENTS AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
UM, ENTERTAIN EMOTION, THERE'S, WE HAVE TO GET HER PIECES OF PAPER.
UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER PZ 25 DASH 0 0 8 CP ST.
JOHN V FOOD PANTRY, BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF LDC, SECTION 8.3 AND 8.4 IN SATISFACTION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FINDINGS AND ALL APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
MOVING ON TO ITEM SEVEN, PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION OF A PUBLIC PRO, EXCUSE ME, PROGRAM UPDATE BY THE VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION.
OKAY, WE'RE JUST GONNA TAKE A LITTLE, DO WE WANNA TAKE A BREAK? TAKE A BREAK, YEAH.
WE'LL, TO GET RESET AND, OKAY.
YEAH, WE'LL TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.
DO WE NEED HIM? DO OKAY? YEAH.
I'M GONNA CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER AT 5 58.
[7. Presentation/discussion of a program update by the Verde Valley Community Development Organization]
OKAY, ITEM TO REPEAT.ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION OF A PROGRAM UPDATE BY THE VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION.
I, JUST AS A WAY OF INTRODUCTION, I AM JOINED AT THE TABLE BY LAURA STEWART, WHO IS THE CITY'S HOUSING COORDINATOR.
IS THAT THE CORRECT TITLE? OKAY.
AND, UM, MARY QUINN, WHO'S WITH THE VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION.
AND THEY, UH, MARY ESPECIALLY JUST ASKED FOR SOME TIME ON ONE OF YOUR AGENDAS TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHAT HER ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN WORKING ON.
AND SO, UM, I'M JUST GONNA TURN IT OVER TO HER AND LET HER GIVE YOU, UM, THE PROGRAM UPDATE.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION AND COMMISSIONERS.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AS A REGION.
I WILL HIGHLIGHT THE LEADERSHIP OF SEDONA.
THAT'S BEEN A PART OF THE PROCESS OVER THE LAST YEAR.
BUT SOME AMAZING THINGS HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED, AND WE HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH A LOT MORE AMAZING THINGS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, AS AN ORGANIZATION, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, OBVIOUSLY, TO WORK ON A LOT OF THINGS THAT RELATE TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
CURRENTLY, WE'RE FOCUSING ON HOUSING, UM, JUST AS A PREFERENCE, UM, THE BOARD OF OUR ORGANIZATION HAS DEFINED WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR US AS SORT OF THE MISSING MIDDLE.
I KNOW WE REFER TO THAT AS HOUSES AS WELL, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MISSING MIDDLE COMMUNITY HERE.
THERE'S LOW INCOME HOUSING THAT'S BEEN DONE, YOU KNOW, THE 80, 60% A MI, OUR ORGANIZATION IS FOCUSING ON THOSE THAT ARE MAKING A HUNDRED TO 150% A MI SO WE CAN GET THEM IN ACTUAL HOUSES.
SO WE ARE NOT FOCUSING ON LITECH.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER ENTITIES THAT ARE DOING THAT.
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OUR VISION, PARDON ME, IS TO SHAPE RESILIENT COMMUNITIES THROUGH REGIONAL COLLABORATIONS.AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IS THROUGH A COLLABORATION.
I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THE LEADERSHIP THAT WE ENJOY FROM ACROSS THE REGION.
AS I GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, OUR MISSION IS TO IDENTIFY, FACILITATE, AND IMPLEMENT REGIONAL PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS THAT ENSURE SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES THROUGH REGIONAL ENGAGEMENTS.
AND I THINK THE SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES IS THE REALLY IMPORTANT PART.
UM, I WAS REVIEWING THE WORK OF YOUR COUNCIL, UM, DURING THEIR RETREAT, AND IT WAS EXCITING TO SEE THAT THE PRIORITIES ARE COMMUNITY HOUSING, THE MOBILITY, UM, ECONOMY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND VERY HONESTLY, WE FOCUS ON HOUSING.
I COME OUT OF, I KEEP LOSING THIS, UM, THE VERDE VALLEY REGIONAL ECONOMIC ORGANIZATION WHERE WE DEFINED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS JOB CREATION AND TO CREATE JOBS.
ONE NEEDS HOUSES BECAUSE OUR EMPLOYEES NEED TO STAY AND WE WANT THEM TO STAY.
AND YOU'LL SEE AS I GO THROUGH WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IN A VERY BROAD PICTURE.
WE'RE DOING MORE THAN JUST BUILDING HOUSES, BUT WE'RE DOING OTHER THINGS AS WELL.
SO IN THE LAST YEAR, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESSES.
I'M GONNA GO INTO DETAIL ON THEM, BUT THE FIRST THING WE DID IS ESTABLISH A HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
WE DID A REGIONAL PLANNING PROCESS.
UM, OUR ORGANIZATION HAS HAD A COMMUNITY PRESENCE WHEREVER HOUSING IS TALKED ABOUT.
I'VE ATTENDED MEETINGS AND SO HAVE MY BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN AT SEVERAL OF YOUR MEETINGS WHERE HOUSING IS ADDRESSED, UM, JUST TO HAVE A PRESENCE.
UM, AS FYII SOMETIMES DON'T SPEAK BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE IN SEDONA.
AND MY HOPE IS, IS THAT WHEN THERE ARE SEDONA ISSUES BEFORE THE SEDONA COUNCIL, WE WANT SEDONA RESIDENTS ADDRESSING THEM.
SO, UM, BUT DO REPRESENT THE ORGANIZATION.
UH, WE'VE CREATED A DEVELOPABLE LAND DATABASE.
WE'VE DEVELOPED A COST TO BUILD A HOUSE STUDY.
WE ARE WORKING ON EDUCATION AND OUTREACH, UM, WITHIN THE ENTIRE REGION.
WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED THE VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, AND I'M GONNA REVIEW SOME OF OUR NEXT STEPS GOING FORWARD.
SO THERE ARE ABOUT 35 PEOPLE ON THE, THE REGIONAL ADVISORY COUNCIL COMING FROM A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT ARENAS, IF YOU WILL.
ALL OF THE MUNICIPALITIES ARE REPRESENTED.
UM, THE CITY OF SEDONA HAS, UM, HOLLY PLU, YOUR MAYOR, UM, ANNETTE ICKER, YOUR CITY MANAGER, TONY ALLEN, YOUR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, AND LAURA STEWART.
UM, YOUR DIRECTOR, YOUR HOUSING COORDINATOR.
SO THE MUNICIPALITIES IS REPRESENTED.
PLUS WE ALSO OBVIOUSLY HAVE, UM, INDIVIDUALS FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR THAT ARE A PART OF IT.
UM, SO WE HAVE COUNTY ELECTED OFFICIALS BESIDES THE LOCAL ONES, UM, MUNICIPAL STAFF.
WE HAVE BUSINESS LEADERS, REAL ESTATE, UM, INDIVIDUALS, NONPROFIT LEADERS, YAVAPAI COLLEGE, UM, IN JUST WORKING TOGETHER AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON THEIR PROJECTS.
WE ALSO HAVE, UM, CH ALL THE CHAMBERS ARE REPRESENTED IN THE WORK THAT WE DO.
SO THE FIRST MAJOR THING THAT WE DID WAS A REGIONAL PLANNING PROCESS BACK IN, IN MARCH.
I MEAN, THE YEAR BEFORE, WE SORT OF JUST GOT OUR ACT TOGETHER AND CREATED A WEBSITE AND SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND BASICALLY ALL 35 MEMBERS OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH INCLUDES OUR BOARD, ALSO CAME TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES? WHAT DOES THE REGION WANT US TO DO? WHAT CAN THE REGION GET BEHIND, AND WHAT CAN THE REGION ENDORSE? WE WERE FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE PROCESS LED BY MARTINA KHL, UM, WHO'S AN ARIZONA HOUSING LEADER.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW HER, SHE WAS ACTUALLY ON THE TEAM THAT CREATED YOUR ORIGINAL DIG.
THAT MAY BE GOOD OR BAD, BUT SHE WAS PART OF IT THAT DID, THAT SHE'S BEEN A LEADER IN, IN ALL OF THE MAJOR HOUSING INITIATIVES, UM, IN THE STATE FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS.
UM, SHE WAS HIRED ACTUALLY BY THE TOWN OF CLARKDALE TO LEAD THEIR PLANNING PROCESS.
THEY GOT AN EIGHT OH GRANT FOR A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS TO UPDATE THEIR CODE AND TO CREATE A HOUSING PLAN.
OUT OF THE PLANNING PROCESS, WE GOT SEVERAL OUTCOMES, AND THERE WERE THREE FOCUS AREAS.
THE FIRST IS PERCEPTION, UNDERSTANDING, AND EDUCATION.
AND SO THE FIRST AREA UNDER THAT WAS TO DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT AN EDUCATION AND OUTREACH PROGRAM, AND THEN TO DEVELOP A FORMAL AND CONSISTENT PROCESS AND PRESENTATION FOR WORKING WITH ALL CONSTITUENTS INVOLVED IN A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
UM, I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT PRESENTATIONS AND I ADMIRE YOU SITTING
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THROUGH SOME OF THEM.UM, AND SO THE GOAL THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN IT WAS WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS IS, COULD THE VERDE, THE V-V-C-D-O, COME TOGETHER WITH THE DEVELOPER, THE STAFF OF THE MUNICIPALITY, AND HELP TO PRESENT PROJECTS? UM, A LOT OF TIMES DEVELOPERS AREN'T GREAT PRESENTERS, YOU KNOW? UM, AND SO IF THERE'S SOMEONE COMING IN AND, I MEAN, AND I HAVE SORT OF, IN A WAY, NO SKIN IN THE GAME EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT WE NEED WORKFORCE HOUSING, BUT TO PRESENT SOME OF THE CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES THAT PEOPLE APPEAR TO HAVE AS CONTROVERSIAL THAT AREN'T, AND CAN WE ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS IN A COHESIVE FORMAT? AND, YOU KNOW, COULD IT BE SMOOTHER IN SOME OF THE PRESENTATIONS? AND SOME OF THE STAFF ACTUALLY SAID, IT'D BE NICE IF THE TARGET WAS ON SOMEONE ELSE'S BACK INSTEAD OF THEIRS.
UM, I'M GONNA SHARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE EDUCATION OUTREACH PROGRAM.
THE SECOND FOCUS AREA IS TO DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT A PROCESS THAT ENSURES THE SUCCESS OF PROPOSED PROJECTS.
UM, I HATE TO SAY IT, OUR DEVELOPERS AND IT'S ACROSS THE REGION, UM, GET FRUSTRATED SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S REALLY LOOKING AT IT TOGETHER AND, AND AS A REGION COMING TOGETHER AND SAYING, HOW CAN WE WORK WITH DEVELOPERS THAT, THAT THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB FOR YOU AND WE'RE DOING A GREAT JOB FOR THEM, AND THAT WE DON'T CHANGE OUR MINDS MIDSTREAM AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THEY DO GET FRUSTRATED SOMETIMES.
AND SO HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT PROCESS AS SMOOTH AS WE CAN IN MOVING FORWARD AND IT TO IDENTIFY THE BEST REGIONAL PRACTICES? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE REGIONAL PRACTICES, BUT THE REGION WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS SO THAT IF SOMEONE IS DOING A PROJECT IN CAMP VERDE AND THEY'RE DOING ONE AT CLARKDALE, THAT MAYBE SOME OF THE THINGS COULD BE SIMILAR INSTEAD OF NOT EVERYONE HAVING A DIFFERENT PROCESS AND THE WAY OF GOING ABOUT THINGS.
AND THEN THE NEXT FOCUS AREA IS BUILDER, UM, AND DEVELOPER TO WORK WITH THEM.
SO, UM, ANYTIME THAT I LEARN OF A DEVELOPER THAT'S LOOKING AT A PROJECT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, CAN YOU PUT WORKFORCE HOUSING AS A PART OF THE PROCESS? ARE YOU WILLING TO DONATE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF YOUR PARCELS TO OUR LAND TRUST? ALL THOSE DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, BECAUSE WE ALSO NEED TO EDUCATE THE DEVELOPERS ON THE NEED AND WHAT THAT NEEDS.
AND I, I GUESS I WANNA OFFER YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS IN THE MIDDLE, I ASSUME THAT'S OKAY,
SO AS FAR AS THE COMMUNITY PRESENCE, UM, WE ATTEND COUNCIL MEETINGS AND PRESENTATIONS.
OBVIOUSLY I ATTEND COMMISSION MEETINGS.
UH, WE WRITE LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
UM, YOU HAVE RECEIVED A FEW FROM US, I THINK OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE MOBILIZED THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
UM, I'VE DONE THAT WHERE I CAN, IN TALKING WITH PEOPLE AND MOBILIZING THEM, UM, WE'VE ALSO SENT RESPONSES.
UM, I HEAR WHEN I'M IN THE MEETINGS, NOT JUST HERE, BUT ACROSS THE REGION OF THE PUBLIC, MAKING COMMENTS, RIGHT? AND SOMETIMES THE US COMMISSIONERS DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THEM.
AND A LOT OF IT'S MISINFORMATION AND, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSING THAT.
AND SO WHEN I HEAR IT OR WHEN I SEE IT, I SEND LETTERS, UM, WITH THE APPROVAL OF OUR BOARD, EVERYTHING IS DONE WITH THE APPROVE OF OUR BOARD.
UM, AND THEN I DO CONSTITUENT MEETINGS TO ADDRESS CERTAIN ISSUES.
UM, WE'RE GETTING MORE INTO THAT.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, THAT I DID, UM, ABOUT SIX OR EIGHT MONTHS AGO, IS I MET WITH AS MANY REALTORS AS I COULD IN THE VERDE VALLEY.
AND IT WAS SURPRISING TO LEARN HOW MANY REALTORS WERE NOT AWARE OF YOUR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM OR THE ONE IN COTTONWOOD FOR THAT MATTER.
AND TO ME, EVERY REALTOR SHOULD BE AWARE OF SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF SERVICES THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
UM, THEY CERTAINLY WILL BE ON OUR WEBSITE.
WE'RE CREATING A WEBSITE FOR OUR LAND TRUST WITH THE REFERRALS AND ALL THAT, AND WITH WORKING WITH OUR HOMEOWNERS ON THAT.
BUT THOSE SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE, AND IT'S REALLY SAD WHEN HOMEOWNERS AREN'T AWARE OF IT.
UM, WE JUST NEED TO EXPAND THAT INFORMATION.
SO WHEN WE PUT THE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE TOGETHER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE SAID, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A DEVELOPABLE LAND DATABASE.
CAN WE WORK AT THAT? AND I SAID, SURE.
AND SO WHAT WE DID IS, YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR, I'M SURE, WITH THE COUNTY GIS PROGRAM, AND THAT THAT SYSTEM IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY, RIGHT? AS FAR AS THE DATABASE THEY HAVE AND THE LAND SEARCHING AND THINGS LIKE THAT YOU CAN DO.
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BUT IT'S BASED ON THEIR FIRST LAYER IS BASED ON VACANT LAND FROM THE TAX INFORMATION.THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF VACANT LAND IN THE VERDE VALLEY THAT CANNOT BE DEVELOPED AND WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED.
I WILL SAY PROBABLY CAMP VERDE HAS THE MOST, I MEAN, THERE'S 140 ACRES OWNED BY SRP AND THEY BOUGHT IT FOR THE WATER RIGHTS, RIGHT? THEY'RE ALWAYS GETTING CALLS ABOUT, CAN WE BUILD ON IT? CAN WE TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT? AND SO THE COUNTY WAS KIND ENOUGH TO CREATE A NEW LAYER IN THEIR DATABASE CALLED DEVELOPABLE LAND.
SO I WORKED WITH ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES TO GET WHAT'S CALLED SHAPE FILES AND TO GET MAPS.
AND WE SENT THAT ALL IN TO THE GIS DEPARTMENT, AND THEY CREATED AN ENTIRE SEPARATE LAYOUT.
THEY HAVE A WEBPAGE THAT HAS SPECIAL, UM, MAPPING.
WHEN YOU GO TO THE MAPPING, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA, YOU CAN GET, YOU KNOW WHAT, PARDON ME, WHAT IS DEVELOPABLE LAND? BUT IT ALSO REFERS YOU BACK TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
SO WE'RE, WE ARE TYING THE LINK WITH OUR WEBSITE AND THE CONTACTS WITHIN THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, TRYING TO MAKE THE INFORMATION AS USER FRIENDLY AS POSSIBLE.
YAVAPAI COUNTY IS GONNA START DOING IT AS WELL.
UM, JEREMY DYE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH HIM, IS SORT OF TAKING ON THAT PROJECT AND WORKING WITH THE WEST SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN.
THE OTHER THING THAT THE COUNTY HAS AGREED TO DO IS THEY'RE GOING TO UPDATE THE INFORMATION ANNUALLY.
SO THEY WILL BE REACHING OUT TO EACH ONE OF THE MUNICIPALITIES FOR UPDATED SHAPE FILES AND MAPPING SO THAT IT CONTINUES TO STAY CONSTANT.
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER WAY WHERE I GET TO TALK TO DEVELOPERS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO OUR WEBSITE.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, AND I HAVE TO ADMIT, LUKE SEF AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME, AND HE'S THE ONE THAT TOOK THE LEAD ON DOING THIS.
I WANNA SAY THAT DECISIONS GET MADE ALL THE TIME ON ADDITIONS TO HOUSING PROJECTS, RIGHT? AND EVERY TIME WE ADD $10,000, LIKE A DOOR, OR WE, I HATE TO SAY THIS, WE ADD ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, SMOKE ALARM.
I HAVE AN 1800 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE WITH, I THINK IT'S SIX OR EIGHT SMOKE ALARMS IN IT.
YOU KNOW, WATER SPRINKLERS, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS.
OR WE CHANGE SOMETHING WITHIN THE PROCESS.
AND THE COST OF OUR BUILDING HOUSES HERE IN THE REGION IS PRETTY EXORBITANT.
SO WHAT WE DID IS WE ACTUALLY CREATED THIS, AND I HAD SENT IT OUT TO ALL OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE TO LOOK AT AND GOT ALL THE COMMENTS BACK.
AND THEN THE LEGISLATURE IN ITS WISDOM SAID, OH, WE NEED MODELS AT 800 SQUARE FEET, LIKE 1200 SQUARE FEET AND 2000 SQUARE FEET.
AND OUR STUDY WAS DONE AT 2000.
SO WE'RE GOING BACK AND REVAMPING IT AND CREATING THE STUDY SO THAT IT WILL FOR EACH COMMUNITY.
AND THE COUNTY WILL TALK ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT IT COSTS TO BUILD A HOUSE IN EACH ONE OF YOUR MUNICIPALITIES, AND THEN IF YOU MAKE A DECISION TO ADD A COST, WHAT IT DOES TO THE BOTTOM LINE IN WORKING WITH A BUILDER OR CONTRACTOR ON THE HOUSING, WHICH WE THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT, IT WILL HELP INFORM DECISIONS IN A BIGGER PICTURE THAN JUST IN, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, THE EDUCATION OUTREACH PROGRAM, WHICH WAS IDENTIFIED AS ONE OF THE PRIORITIES, UM, WHEN WE DID OUR PLANNING, WE PULLED TOGETHER THOSE WHO LOVE MARKETING AND ARE GREAT AT IT IN THE REGION.
AND WE CREATED A COMPREHENSIVE MARKETING EDUCATION AND OUTREACH PLAN WITH ALL OF OUR PRIORITIES AND HOW WE WERE GOING TO WORK THAT THROUGHOUT THE REGION.
UM, AS A PART OF THAT, WE'VE ALSO CREATED WHAT WE'RE CALLING AN ASSET PAGE ON OUR WEBSITE, WHICH IS AVAILABLE FOR ALL OF THE MUNICIPALITIES.
ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE DID IS WE SAID WE HAD TO CREATE SOME IMAGES.
SO WE HAVE SIX IMAGES THAT THE, THAT THE, OUR SUBCOMMITTEE HAS APPROVED THAT REALLY KIND OF REPRESENT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE AS FAR AS HOUSING GOES WITHIN THE REGION, THEIR GENERIC, BUT THEY ALSO SPEAK TO A MESSAGE, UM, OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE DID THEN IS WE CREATED TAGLINES.
SO THE THREE TAGLINES ARE A HOME FOR EVERY STAGE OF LIFE, UM, THE COMMUNITY WE WANT, AND YOUR NEW HOME AWAITS.
NOW WHAT OUR GROUP AGREED TO DO WAS TO USE SOME OF THIS IMAGING IN ALL THE DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE IT REALLY EASY.
SO OUR ASSET PAGE, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY OF SEDONA, IF YOU GO TO THE, THE ASSET PAGE ON OUR WEBSITE, IT WILL SAY, CITY OF SEDONA, AND WE HAVE ALL OF THESE IMAGES WITH YOUR LOGO IMPLANTED ON IT.
AND WE'VE DONE THAT FOR EVERY MUNICIPALITY FOR THE COUNTY AND THE MAJOR CHA, YOU KNOW, NONPROFITS,
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THE CHAMBERS IN THE VERDE VALLEY, SO THAT IT'S AS EASY AS POSSIBLE TO USE THE IMAGING.AND WE ARE WRITING THE CONTENT FOR E-NEWSLETTERS SO THAT, AGAIN, WE'RE GETTING CONSISTENT MESSAGES, UM, ACROSS THE REGION.
AND EDUCATING, I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING AS PART OF A, A FORUM IS TO TALK ABOUT WATER.
AND, UM, THE HEAD OF WATER FOR THE NATURE CONSERVANCIES AGREED TO COME AND SPEAK FOR US.
EVERYBODY THINKS THAT IF WE DO HIGH DENSITY HOUSING, WE'RE USING MORE WATER.
THE REALITY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON AN ACRE LOT USE MORE WATER THAN DOING IT IN A HIGH DENSITY, MORE CONFINED SPACE.
AND IT'S GREAT WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE WATER EXPERT THAT'S WILLING TO COME IN AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT WE HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME WHEN WE GO TO THESE PRESENTATIONS.
AND IT'S JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE UNINFORMED AND DON'T KNOW.
SO WE'RE USING THIS AS AN OUTREACH PART OF THE PROGRAM ON DIFFERENT CONCEPTS LIKE THAT, UM, TO SHARE RESEARCH, TO SHARE INFORMATION, BECAUSE I JUST THINK THE COMMUNITY IS UNINFORMED ON DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO INFORM THEM, OR AT LEAST TRY.
THE NEXT REALLY EXCITING THING THAT WE LAUNCHED IS THE VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITY, UM, LAND TRUST.
I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT ADDRESSING THE SORT OF THE MISSING, MISSING MIDDLE.
UM, LET ME ASK A QUICK QUESTION.
IS EVERYBODY HERE FAMILIAR WITH SORT OF THE FUNDAMENTALS OF A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST? OKAY, SO
AND WHEN PROPERTY GOES INTO A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, SO THAT'S THE LAND AND THE HOUSE, THE NONPROFIT KEEPS THE LAND IN PERPETUITY.
THE HOMEOWNER GETS THE VERTICAL STRUCTURE THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY, AND THEY LEASE THE LAND FROM US AT ABOUT A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH.
OUR GROUND LEASE PROGRAM SAYS THE LEASE CAN ONLY BE 1% OF THE VALUE OF THE LAND.
UM, WE HAD A HOUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT WAS APPRAISED AT $300,000.
LET'S SAY THE LAND WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND THE VERTICAL STRUCTURE WAS 200,000.
UM, SO THE LEASE ON THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE GROUND LEASE.
AND OUR AGREEMENTS THAT ARE SIGNED, THE HOMEOWNER THEN IS ONLY BUYING THE VERTICAL STRUCTURE.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE HAVING TO ONLY GET A LOAN FOR $200,000.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE HOUSING AVAILABLE.
THE LAND IS NEVER SOLD OUT FROM UNDER THEM.
IT CAN'T BE, THAT'S THE RESTRICTION IN A LAND TRUST THAT THE LAND STAYS IN THE LAND TRUST IN PERPETUITY AND IS NEVER SOLD OUT FROM UNDER THEM, IS NEVER, YOU KNOW, HAS EXORBITANT, UM, INCREASES IN LEASE.
AND THAT, AND THEREFORE, PEOPLE WHO COULD NEVER BUY A HOME, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE VERDE VALLEY, CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD TO DO THAT.
AND PEOPLE CAN AFFORD, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE CAN AFFORD A $200,000 HOME, FOR EXAMPLE.
CAN THEY DEMOLISH AND REBUILD THE HOUSE? NO.
SO THEY HAVE TO STAY, CAN THEY MODIFY IT, REMODEL IT OR ANYTHING, OR NO? THEY CAN WITH OUR PERMISSION.
I MEAN, THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS VERY HONESTLY, WHEN YOU'RE PART OF THIS, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM REMODEL, REMODELING IT INTO OBLIVION OR WHATEVER MM-HMM
UM, BECAUSE THE PIECE OF IT IS TOO IS IS THAT WE WANT THEM TO BUILD EQUITY MM-HMM
AND THEN POSSIBLY MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE.
WE HAVE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL TO TAKE IT BACK.
IT HAS TO BE SOLD TO A IN, AGAIN, IN THE AFFORDABLE REALM.
'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, THEY, THEY CAN'T DEMOLISH IT, THEY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, DO ANY OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND THEN ONE OF THE OTHER, UM, RAMIFICATIONS OF IT IS IT'S CALLED, UM, SHARED EQUITY PROCESS.
SO LET'S SAY I BUY THE HOUSE FOR $200,000 AND IT APPRAISES WHEN I WANNA GO AND SELL IT AT 220,000, THEY GET CREDIT FOR $5,000 OF THE INCREASED EQUITY, AND THE OTHER 15,000 BASICALLY GOES BACK INTO THE HOUSE SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO KEEP THE HOUSE AFFORDABLE.
THE BEAUTY OF THE NONPROFIT HAVING THIS IS, IS THAT, LET'S SAY THE MARKET IS SUCH THAT THINGS ARE REALLY CHALLENGING.
WE DON'T HAVE TO SELL IT FOR THE APPRAISED VALUE.
WE CAN SELL IT FOR LESS THAN THE APPRAISED VALUE IF WE WANT TO.
AND WE HAVE A BOARD, YOU KNOW, UM, POLICY ON THAT.
SO TO ME, THAT IS REALLY EXCITING OF WHAT THE LAND TRUST CAN DO.
UM, WHO PAYS THE TAXES? THE, THE HOMEOWNER PAYS THE TAXES, THE HOMEOWNER PAYS THE TAXES ON
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THE LAND AND THE HOUSE.SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE TAXES ARE NOT PAID AT ALL.
UM, THEY'RE TREATED JUST LIKE ANY OTHER HOMEOWNER, EXCEPT THAT THEY'RE SORT OF IN A UNIQUE ENVIRONMENT.
HOW, HOW DIFFICULT IS IT FOR A HOMEOWNER TO GET A LOAN KNOWING THAT THE BANK KNOWS THAT THEY DON'T OWN THE LAND? WE'RE DOING SOME OF THAT RESEARCH RIGHT NOW.
UM, I KNOW OF TWO BANKS RIGHT NOW, AND I WAS JUST TALKING WITH, UM, ONE OF OUR, THE CHAIRMAN OF MY BOARD WHO'S ALSO A BANKER, AND I WANNA REACH OUT TO, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER, UM, LAND TRUSTS HERE IN THE STATE.
UM, RIGHT NOW I KNOW THAT PINNACLE BANK WILL DO A LOAN, AND SO WILL NATIONAL BANK.
NATIONAL BANK HAS AN EXPERT DOWN IN PHOENIX BECAUSE THEY WORK WITH THE NEW TOWN LAND TRUST IN DOING MORTGAGES.
NOT EVERY BANK NECESSARILY DOES IT.
UM, BUT WE ONLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, REALLY ONE MAJOR LAND TRUST HERE.
WE'VE GOT NEWTOWN, WHICH IS DOWN IN THE TUCSON AREA.
UM, AND, UM, FLAGSTAFF HAS ONE, BUT THEY DON'T DO A LOT OF LAND TRUST HOUSES THERE.
SO I JUST NEED TO DO MY RESEARCH AND I THINK, UM, I BELONG TO AN ORGANIZATION CALLED GROUNDED SOLUTIONS, WHICH IS SORT OF THE, THE BENCHMARK FOR LAND TRUSTS IN THE COUNTRY AS FAR AS A MEMBERSHIP ORGANIZATION.
AND I'M GONNA REACH OUT TO THEM AND FIND OUT, OKAY, SO BANK OF AMERICA DOES IT IN 10 STATES IN THE COUNTRY, WHY CAN'T WE GET OUR BANK OF AMERICA REPRESENTATIVES HERE TO BE EDUCATED ABOUT IT? MM-HMM
AND I THINK WE MAY HAVE TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT THERE ARE, WHAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY LAND TRUSTS THERE ARE IN THE COUNTRY.
I SHOULD KNOW THAT ANSWER, BUT I DON'T.
SO THE EQUITY PART WHERE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, THE EXAMPLE WAS 20,000, THEY GET FIVE, AND WHAT IF THE EQUITY BOOMS AND IT'S A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, IS IT THEY GET 25% OF IT, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF, IT'S A PERCENTAGE.
THAT IS, THAT IS WRITTEN INTO THE 82 PAGE GROUND LEASE AGREEMENT THAT WE SIGN.
UM, SO THEY'RE GUARANTEED THAT, UM, THEY EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO PASS IT DOWN TO A FAMILY MEMBER MM-HMM
IF THEY MEET THE AFFORDABLE, UM, RESTRICTIONS.
UM, I WILL SAY WE'VE BEEN REALLY SMART.
IT'S, I HAVE SOME GREAT, UM, PEOPLE ON MY BOARD.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT LAND TRUSTS ARE FACING RIGHT NOW IS THEY FORGOT TO PUT A BENEFICIARY DEED IN THEIR LAND TRUST DOCUMENTS.
AND SO THEY SOLD LOTS OF HOUSES WHEN COVID CAME AROUND AND WE WERE DOING THE RECESSION, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW THEY'RE SPENDING A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY IN COURT MM-HMM
BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T PUT RESTRICTIONS ON IT.
SO WE HAVE, WE, WE TRY TO COVER OURSELVES IN EVERY WAY WE CAN, THAT THERE IS CLEARLY A BENEFICIARY DEED THAT THE HOMEOWNER HAS TO SIGN, THAT WE KNOW WHO THEY WANT TO DIRECT THE HOUSE TO SO WE CAN WORK WITH THEM AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
I HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT NOT ABOUT THE LAND TRUST.
SO ONE OF THE FIRST OPPORTUNITIES WE HAD FOR THE LAND TRUST THAT I WILL BE VERY HONEST, DID NOT WORK OUT, BUT WE SPENT A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON THIS YEAR TRYING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, IS THE TOWN OF JEROME OWNED A HOME AND IT WAS THEIR INTENTION TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.
AND SO WE PUT IN A BID TO PURCHASE IT, UM, NOT AT THE APPRAISED VALUE, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE NOT SELLING IT AT THE PRAISE VALUE AND IT NEEDED WORK.
WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO PUT ABOUT $40,000, UM, INVESTMENT IN IT TO BRING THE HOUSE UP TO STANDARD.
THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT'S EXCITING ABOUT A LAND TRUST.
WE DON'T SELL DILAPIDATED HOUSES SELFISHLY, VERY HONESTLY.
FIRST OF ALL, WE WANT SOMEONE GOING INTO A HOUSE THAT THEY LOVE TO BE IN, RIGHT? THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL.
SO IF WE GIVE THEM A HOUSE OR SELL THEM A HOUSE THAT HAS ISSUES, FIRST OF ALL, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO FIX THE ISSUES MM-HMM
BECAUSE THEY COULD BARELY AFFORD TO BUY THE HOUSE.
BUT THEN WE GET THE HOUSE BACK AND THE ISSUES ARE EVEN WORSE.
SO OUR GOAL ALWAYS IN A LAND TRUST IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOUSE IS VIABLE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER.
AND SO WE DID ALL OF OUR WORK, AND I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH JEROME TOWN COUNCIL.
AND AS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID IS WE GOT AN APPRAISAL AND THE HOUSE WAS APPRAISED AT $300,000.
AND WE PUT A BID IN ACTUALLY AFTER REPAIRS AND EVERYTHING, TO BUY IT AT $150,000.
AND THE TOWN DECIDED THEY WANTED TO USE OUR APPRAISAL AND GET MORE MONEY.
SO THEY WENT TO A PUBLIC BID, THEY DENIED OUR BID.
UM, BUT WE KEEP WORKING ON THIS.
IF THE CITY OF SEDONA HAS ANY HOUSES THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT A LAND TRUST, I THINK THAT WOULD BE EXCITING.
UM, IT'S THROUGH MIN MUNICIPAL RELATIONSHIPS THAT A LOT OF THE LAND TRUST PROPERTIES ARE DEVELOPED, UM, AND HOUSES GIVEN BECAUSE MUNICIPALITIES
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OWN A LOT OF PROPERTY ACROSS THE REGION, ACROSS THE STATE.NOW THE NEXT PART, NEXT ONE IS REALLY EXCITING.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN GIFTED 14 ACRES OF PROPERTY IN CAMP VERDE ON HIGHWAY TWO 60.
AND WE HAD A DONOR THAT I ACTUALLY MET AT THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING CONFERENCE BACK IN AUGUST.
AND HE AND HIS WIFE KELLY AND MONA, HAVE GIFTED US THE 14 ACRES IN CAMP VERDE.
AND WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING TO BUILD ABOUT 45 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT WILL MEET THE GOALS AND THE MISSION OF OUR ORGANIZATION IN PROVIDING WORKFORCE HOMES.
UM, IT WILL NOT BE A LIGHT TRUCK PROJECT, IT'S GOING TO BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS OUR BOARD HAS AGREED TO DO WITH THESE HOMES IS THAT OUTTA THE STUDY AND THE SURVEYING THAT WAS DONE IN CLARKDALE, WHICH I THINK REFLECTS PROBABLY THE, THE REGION, A LOT OF THE POTENTIAL HOMEOWNERS SAID TWO THINGS THAT WE WANT.
WE WANT A GARAGE AND WE WANT A FENCED BACKYARD.
SO THOSE ARE TWO OF THE PRIORITIES IN THE TWO, THREE, AND FOUR BEDROOM HOMES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DEVELOPING.
UM, THEY WILL BE STICK BUILT IN A WAY, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AND WORKING WITH FRAME TECH ON THOSE HOUSES.
AND WE'RE WORKING WITH POWERS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN PHOENIX WHO DOES METAL HOUSING, BUT THE SAME KINDS OF THINGS, WHICH ARE A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE, VERY HONESTLY, TO GET BUILT YOUR HOU THE HOUSES BUILT, UM, WITH THAT.
AND WHAT'S REALLY EXCITING ABOUT THIS IS THAT WE'VE BEEN REALLY FORTUNATE.
PEOPLE HAVE STEPPED UP TO VOLUNTEER TO HELP US, YOU KNOW, MAKE THIS PROJECT A REALITY.
TONY WAS KIND ENOUGH TO SAY THAT HE WOULD DO A CONSERVATION SITE PLAN FOR US, SORT OF ALONG WITH TEACHING HIS TEAM AND WORKING WITH SOME OF OUR TEAM.
WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO WAS, UM, A FOREMAN AND WORKED WITH SOME OF THE MAJOR CONTRACTORS IN THE VERDE VALLEY FOR 30 YEARS.
HE'S VOLUNTEERING HIS SERVICES, UM, TO SORT OF BE OUR OVERVIEW PERSON AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
UM, MARTINA, WHO I TALKED ABOUT, MARTINA KHL HAS WORKED WITH LAND TRUSTS, IS WILLING TO SUPPORT US.
THIS IS OUR FIRST MAJOR PROJECT.
I'M NOT A DEVELOPER, BUT I'M LEARNING A LOT.
AND I'VE GOT SORT OF A GREAT TEAM.
WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM AS WE'RE WORKING FORWARD AND MOVING THIS.
AND I'M SURE WE'LL MAKE MISTAKES ALONG THE WAY, BUT IT WILL BE EXCITING.
UM, AND WE HAVE OTHER DONORS THAT WE'RE TALKING TO.
I HAVE DONORS FOR OTHER TWO OTHER POTENTIAL PIECES OF LAND THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN GETTING WORKFORCE HOUSING ON, SO I'M WORKING WITH THEM AS WELL.
SO WHAT ARE OUR NEXT STEPS? UM, PRESENTATIONS, UM, YOURS.
I MEAN, I'VE GOT SEDONA CITY COUNCIL NEXT TUESDAY.
I'M DOING ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES.
I'M PRESENTING TO THE CHAMBERS TO CONSTITUENT GROUPS, UM, TO GET PEOPLE ENGAGED IN WHAT WE'RE DOING, BECAUSE WE NEED THE WHOLE REGION ENGAGED IN MAKING THIS HAPPEN.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE CDO CAN'T DO IT ALONE.
THAT'S WHY WE NEED THE WHOLE REGION PERSPECTIVE ON IT.
UM, OTHER THINGS WE'RE DOING IS ASKING FOR FINANCIAL SUPPORT.
WE'LL BE ASKING, YOU KNOW, SEDONA FOR HOPEFULLY A GIFT THIS YEAR, AND TO BE A PART OF THE BUDGET.
UM, WE NEED THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO MOVE IT FORWARD ASKING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU OR ANYONE YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO MAYBE HAS NO HEIRS, THAT WOULD LOVE TO DONATE THEIR HOME AND LAND INTO A LAND TRUST, THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
WE HAVE THE EXPERTS ON OUR BOARD AND THAT WE'RE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT HAVE THE LEGAL CAPACITY TO HELP WITH THAT.
UM, IT ALSO, THE LAND DONATION WE GOT, WE WORKED WITH HIM.
SO THE IRS, HE COULD GET THE IRS TAX CREDIT.
WE DO ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, PLEASE FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK.
YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
THE FOLLOWERS MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
WELL, I SIGNED YOU ALL UP ON OUR NEWSLETTER.
WHEN YOU'RE PUBLIC OFFICIALS, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, AND TO SHARE OUR MATERIALS.
SO BE OUR ADVOCATES FOR THIS KIND OF WORK, BECAUSE I KNOW THE CITY OF SEDONA HOUSING IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND WE, YOU, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING, UM, INFORMATION FOR THE WORKFORCE AND COMMUNITY IS.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL OFFER, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, WELL, I I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
SO YOU WERE PUTTING TOGETHER THE COSTS THAT IT COSTS TO ACTUALLY TO BUILD A HOUSE.
UM, AND THERE'S SOME ANCILLARY THINGS THAT IT COSTS MORE IF YOU PUT THIS ON OR WHATEVER.
SO, UM, BUT I GUESS THERE'S JUST, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, FOR INSTANCE,
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WE OFTEN ADVOCATE FOR PERMEABLE, UM, PAVING, RIGHT? YES.AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THAT IS THE THING THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, BUT ARE THERE THINGS THAT COST MORE THAT YOU STILL ARE GONNA ADVOCATE THAT YOU, THAT YOU PUT INTO A HOME? YES.
I MEAN, AND WE'RE ALREADY WORKING WITH CAMP VERDE, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HOMES ARE GOING TO BE, I MET WITH THEM ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO TO GET THEIR WISHLIST.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET EVERYTHING THEY WANT, UM, BECAUSE WE WANNA KEEP IT AFFORDABLE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, THE UTILITIES WITHIN THE HOUSE, THEY'RE GONNA BE, UM, LET'S CALL THEM GREEN, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH YOU.
I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN DO THE PAVERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ADDS AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
THERE MAY BE ANOTHER SOLUTION, YOU KNOW, TO RESOLVE THAT.
BUT I'VE, I COME OUT OF A PHILANTHROPIC BACKGROUND RUNNING CAPITAL CAMPAIGNS AND, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH BUILDINGS THAT WANNA GO GREEN, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GET THE WHOLE BUILDING DONE, THEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT ALL THE PARKING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND IT ADDS AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF MONEY WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND SO, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A COMPROMISE.
I MEAN, WE WANT TO GET HOUSES FOR THE WORKFORCE, SO HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BUT BE AS GREEN AS POSSIBLE.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE AN EXAMPLE THAT YOU COULD GIVE ME WHERE, WELL, YOU DID GIMME AN EXAMPLE.
YOU SAID, OH, I'M SORRY,
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, THE TYPE OF, UH, DISHWASHERS OR REFRIGERATORS, TOILETS, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS, THE ENERGY EFFICIENT, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE WILL, WE WILL DO.
UM, I JUST KNOW PERSONALLY FROM WORK THAT I'VE DONE AND HAVING TO RAISE MONEY FOR PROJECTS FOR NON-PROFITS, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO SOME OF THE STUFF OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, CEMENT VERSUS SOME OF THE, THE BREATHABLE PAVERS AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, I KNOW WHAT IT USED TO BE.
AND IT, THE COST DIFFERENTIAL WAS EXORBITANT.
BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE TO WEIGH THAT.
THE, THE POINT IS WE NEED TO GET OUR WORKFORCE IN HOUSING AND RENTING IS SO DIFFERENT THAN SING A HOME.
I MEAN, EMPLOYEES STAY LONGER WHEN THEY HAVE AN INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY, WHEN THEY'RE LIVING IN A HOME, RIGHT? WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING EQUITY, THOSE LIVING IN A HOME HAVE HIGHER EDUCATION THAN THOSE THAT ARE RENTING.
UM, THEY'RE MORE INVESTED IN THE COMMUNITY.
THEY'RE A PART OF IT, THEY STAY.
UM, SO ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GAIN.
AND, AND I WILL SAY, AND I KNOW THIS, THE RESEARCH THAT LAURA AND TONY HAVE DONE HAS RECONFIRMED, AGAIN, PROBABLY MORE SO THAN THE STUDY WE DID FIVE YEARS AGO.
THE VERDE VALLEY IS A DYING COMMUNITY.
OUR GOAL IS TO GET FAMILIES INTO THOSE 45 HOMES AND INTO, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE DOING, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
UM, WE NEED TO GET OUR SCHOOLS FILLED AND, YOU KNOW, AND NOT BE CLOSING SCHOOLS.
AND WE NEED, WE NEED CHILDREN.
YOU KNOW, WE NEED THE WHOLE AGE DIFFERENTIAL.
VERDE, IT'D BE INTERESTING FOR THAT PROJECT THAT YOU'VE GOT IN CAMP VERDE, UHHUH
I AM DEFINITELY FAMILIAR WITH LEAD.
SO ONE OF THE CERTIFICATION PROGRAMS IS LEAD FOR N LEAD FOR NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN.
'CAUSE IT DOES, IT ADDS ABOUT 10% TO THE AVERAGE CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
BUT THEN THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY LIVE THERE DON'T REALLY, THEIR UTILITY BILLS ARE, I MEAN, THE COST OF LIVING IS SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED, ESPECIALLY LONG TERM.
SO WE WILL, WE WILL DEFINITELY LOOK AT ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND CERTAINLY THAT'S A PRIORITY OF CAMP VERDE.
AND IT, AND IT'S A GREAT SELLING POINT.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND SETTING THE PATHWAY, BEING A LEADER AS TO WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, SETTING THE BAR FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
SO I, THAT IS CLEARLY OUR INTENTION, BUT I THINK, AGAIN, THE DRIVING FORCE IS GETTING PEOPLE IN.
WE NEED TO KEEP THE HOUSES AFFORDABLE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S A LOT OF MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR TEACHERS, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, ALL OF THAT.
I MEAN, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS SO IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, AND HAVING THOSE PEOPLE LIVING AND PERMANENT WITHIN OUR COMMUNITIES.
I HAVE TO SAY, LAND RENTALS MAKE ME NERVOUS BECAUSE OF HISTORICALLY WHAT LAND RENTALS HAVE BEEN WHEN IT COMES TO MANUFACTURED HOMES IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT THOSE ARE INCREDIBLY, UM, THEY CAN BE MANIPULATED IN WAYS THAT ARE PRETTY PROBLEMATIC.
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AND THOSE PEOPLE OWN THEIR HOMES ON THOSE PROPERTIES OFTEN AS WELL.I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S PROTECTIONS WITHIN THE NONPROFIT THAT LIMIT RESALE LIMIT, LIKE BASICALLY EJECTION FROM THEIR HOMES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
EVEN, EVEN CA LIKE YOU GET RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL.
IS THERE A LIMIT ON WHETHER YOU CHOOSE TO, YOU CAN NEVER REMOVE THE PROPERTY FROM THE LAND TRUST? NO.
IT IS IN THE LAND TRUST IN PERPETUITY, SO IT NEVER BECOMES AN ISSUE.
LIKE THE CRAZY LEASES THAT ARE GOING ON HERE IN THE, THE VERDE VALLEY.
I COME FROM, I MEAN, I MOVED HERE 15 YEARS AGO FROM CHICAGO.
I DIDN'T KNOW THEY LEASED LAND
UM, BUT THE GROUND LEASE, THE DOCUMENT THAT'S SIGNED, UM, THE AGREEMENT FOR US, AND THIS IS STANDARD, WE'RE CHARGING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE MARKETPLACE, WE'RE DOING 1% RIGHT.
AND IT, IT CAN BE REVIEWED EVERY FIVE YEARS.
WILL IT GO UP EVERY FIVE? I MEAN, NO, GENERALLY OUR LAND GOES UP, SO, WELL, IT WILL GO UP BY 15%
SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT'S REALLY CHEAP.
I MEAN, THE A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH BASICALLY PAYS US TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY.
SO YOU'RE DOING THE YARD MAINTENANCE AND THINGS LIKE, OH, OKAY.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS LIKE INTERESTING.
WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S COMMUNITY AREAS OF COURSE.
I MEAN, AND, AND THE INTERESTING THING IS, BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING COUNSELING AND THE RELATIONSHIP THAT'S WITH HOMEOWNERS IN A LAND TRUST, RARELY DOES A HOUSE GO INTO FORECLOSURE.
AND THE BEAUTY OF IT IS, AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE SELLING THE HOUSE, WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FAMILY AND THE BANKER AND THE TITLE COMPANY SO THAT WE HAVE AN AWARENESS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING IF ISSUES START, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND SO WE CAN HELP TO NEGOTIATE THINGS AND MAKE SURE THAT A HOUSE DOESN'T GO INTO FORECLOSURE.
UM, AND TO WORK WITH THE FAMILIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.
WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE? THE COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE, LIKE THE UTILITIES UNDERGROUND? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WHO'S IN CHARGE? LIKE FROM, FROM METER TO HOUSE, RIGHT? SO IF SEWER PIPE BURSTS ON THE PROPERTY, IS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OR US? YOU GUYS? YES.
EVEN INTERIOR TO THE BUILDING.
IF IT'S INTERIOR TO THE BUILDING, NO, BUT EVERYTHING OUTSIDE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
BUT WHAT WE DO DO, AGAIN, AS A PART OF A LAND TRUST, BECAUSE WE'RE ASSUMING THESE HOMEOWNERS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO OWN A HOME, WE GIVE THEM TRAINING ON HOUSING MAINTENANCE.
UM, WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT WHETHER WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW IT TO DO A WALKTHROUGH OF THE HOME ONCE A YEAR, AGAIN, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOME IS BEING MAINTAINED.
AND LIKE I SAID, THERE'S ALSO RESTRICTIONS ON IT THAT THE HOMEOWNER, IF THEY WANNA DO MAJOR CONSTRUCTION OR WHATEVER, THEY HAVE TO GET OUR APPROVAL.
I MEAN, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S NOT JUST GONNA BE IN A SENSE, THEIR HOUSE.
IT IS A COMMITMENT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN A SENSE, IN PERPETUITY.
AND IT WON'T BE JUST THEM THAT POSSIBLY COULD BE LIVING IN THAT HOUSE.
WELL, I THINK WE COULD ALL BENEFIT FROM A MANUAL OF HOUSING MAINTENANCE.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST PART OF THE SERVICE THAT, THAT GETS PROVIDED.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER, YEAH, SORRY.
UM, AND THEN, AND, AND AGAIN, THE WHOLE HOUSING COUNSELING PROGRAM, UM, VERY HONESTLY, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT SORT OF CREATING OUR OWN, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA INVEST RESOURCES IN REDUNDANT PROGRAMS. SO I HOPE TO BE MEETING WITH, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE YBA APACHE NATION.
THEY'VE BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO SHARE ALL OF THEIR COSTS.
THEY HAVE A 40 HOME PROJECT THAT THEY JUST FINISHED, AND SO THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO SHARE ALL OF THEIR INFORMATION AND COSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'VE ALREADY GOT A BUDGET.
UM, AND THEIR HOUSING IS PRETTY COMPARABLE TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING.
UM, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A HOUSING COUNSELING PROGRAM, AND WE'RE HOPING TO PARTNER WITH THEM, WHICH WOULD ALSO PROVIDE RESOURCES TO THEM, AND AGAIN, FOR THEIR PARTNER WITH THE NATION IN THE REGION.
IS THAT IN CAMP VERDE? THAT ONE, YES.
UM, SO WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH MUNICIPALITIES THAT OWN REAL ESTATE MM-HMM
UM, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OTHER THAN HOUSING TO THE CITY TO GIVE YOU 10 ACRES? UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A COMMITMENT, BUT BECAUSE YOU, YOUR BOARD
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AND YOUR COMMUNITIES ARE ALL RELATED TO LEADERSHIP WITHIN THE CITIES, UM, AND IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, HOW CAN A CITY BE ENTICED TO GIVE YOU 10 ACRES? OKAY, WELL, HERE'S HOW JEROME SET IT UP.AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DID THE BIDDING, UM, ON IT IS, IS THAT THE HOMING IN, IN JEROME, IT WAS SET UP IN A TIER WHO COULD BUY IT.
SO RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL WENT TO AN EMPLOYEE OF THE TOWN OF JEROME, THEN THE NEXT LAYER WAS SOMEONE WHO WORKED IN THE TOWN ITSELF.
UM, DID, YOU KNOW, UM, AND WANTED, YOU KNOW, TO LIVE THERE.
AND THEN IF WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, FIND A QUALIFIED APPLICANT, I MEAN, THE PERSON HAS TO QUALIFY FOR A MORTGAGE, THEN IT COULD BE OPEN TO THE VERDE VALLEY.
BUT LET'S SAY YOU, THE CITY OF SEDONA WANTED TO DONATE OR WE NEGOTIATE 10 ACRES OF LAND, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE RESTRICTIONS THEY COULD PUT INTO IT.
THAT THE RIGHT OF, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL WOULD GO TO PEOPLE WORKING FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA.
UM, THEN PEOPLE WORKING IN THE CITY OF SEDONA.
SO THERE ARE THOSE KINDS OF RESTRICTIONS THAT COULD BE PUT ON IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TOWN, THE HOUSE OF JEROME, THE TOWN REALLY NEEDED THE MONEY, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY WERE BUYING A GARBAGE TRUCK
UM, IN A LOT OF CASES, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE MUNICIPALITY WANTS TO SEE, UM, GOOD FOR THEIR COMMUNITY, THEY WILL DONATE THE LAND.
I MEAN, $10, RIGHT? THE RFP IS WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY THAT A NONPROFIT BIDS ON IT AND, UM, PUTTING IT INTO A LAND TRUST, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, UM, IS WHAT HAPPENS BECAUSE MUNICIPALITIES DON'T WANNA BE HOMEOWNERS AS A ROLE.
AND IS THERE A WAY TO USE THE PROPERTY FOR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, VIABLE? AND, YOU KNOW, AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU CAN DO THAT AND NOT COMPROMISE THE GIFT CLAUSE WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH A NONPROFIT.
SO IF A MUNICIPALITY DONATES 10 ACRES TO YOU FOR DEVELOPMENT OF MISSING METAL, UHHUH
AND THEN THAT RELATIONSHIP IS THERE, AND THEN THAT LAND IS NEVER SOLD AGAIN.
AND JUST TO SAY, LET'S SAY, GOD FORBID, THE VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION FOLDS, OUR BYLAWS ARE SET UP, WHICH IS, WHICH IS STANDARD, WHICH IS THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR ANY NONPROFIT IN THE COUNTRY.
OUR ASSETS HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER LIKE NONPROFIT.
SO THERE ARE ALL OF THESE THINGS SET UP IN PLACE THAT IT JUST NEVER, IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.
IT IS, IT ISN'T A NONPROFIT IN PERPETUITY.
[8. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS]
NUMBER EIGHT, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. UM, SO WE ARE DOWN TO THE ONE MEETING A MONTH SCHEDULE.SO YOUR NEXT MEETING IS THE FIRST TUESDAY OF FEBRUARY, WHICH IS I THINK FEBRUARY 3RD.
IS THAT CORRECT IN FRONT OF ME? UM, THE ONLY, UM, SO WE HAVE THE CLOTH AND FLAME, UM, VENUE AT THE AIRPORT WILL BE UP FOR RENEWAL ON THAT DATE.
THEY HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF.
AND SO THEY'RE, AND THEIR, THEIR CONDITIONS REQUIRE THEM TO COME BACK TO A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT RENEWAL.
UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING YOU HAD MENTIONED THE DISCUSSION WITH THE, UM, RULES AND PROCEDURES ABOUT THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.
AND SO IF, UM, IT SOUNDED LIKE KURT WAS GONNA TAKE THAT ON SO WE CAN CHECK WITH HIM, SEE IF HE THINKS HE CAN BE READY BY A MONTH FROM NOW.
SO WE CAN ADD THAT ONE AS WELL.
AND THEN I THINK, UM, I GUESS VICE CHAIR JOE
SO I AM CURIOUS IF THERE IS INTEREST TO, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP A SUBCOMMITTEE OR, 'CAUSE IT'S, CAN WE DO A SUBCOMMITTEE, KURT, LIKE THREE PEOPLE? HOW DOES THAT WORK? YOU CAN, BUT IT'D STILL BE A PUBLIC BODY AND YOU'RE SMALL ENOUGH THAT YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST KEEP IT THE WHOLE P AND Z COMMISSION.
UH, SO SEEING AS THAT, WHATEVER, A GROUP TO COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, REQUESTS OR CHANGES THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
I KNOW CALLIE, AND THAT'S BEEN A DISCUSSION WITH YOU A LOT ABOUT UPDATING THE LDC AND, AND ROB, HE'S TOLD US IT'S HIS WANTS TO VOMIT IN HIS
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KITCHEN SINK,SO I THINK THAT, DID I SAY THAT? YOU SURE DID.
SO I, I'D LIKE TO, TO TO SEE WHAT THE FLAVOR IS ON THAT AND IF WE CAN LEGITIMIZE THAT.
MY QUESTION IS, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST MEETING, YOU ASKED THAT WE WAIT UNTIL THE HOUSING THING WAS DONE.
SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE, THE BALANCED HOUSING STUDY THAT ONE, BECAUSE THEN YOU GUYS ARE GONNA PUT FORWARD LIKE THE, DID YOU HEAR THIS PART? YOU WERE ON ZOOM AND I KNOW HOW HARD IT'S NO, I WAS NOT.
UM, AND MY CELL SERVICE WAS FAILING.
UM, I WOULD LOVE TO DO THIS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANNA REPEAT WORK THAT STAFF IS ABOUT TO DO, AND THEN A CONSULTANT IS ABOUT TO DO.
SO I WANT US TO FIT IN, IN THE RIGHT MOMENT OF TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT RIGHT.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HIT THAT RIGHT MOMENT.
IF WE WANNA MAKE SOME LIKE BROAD, LIKE, HEY, MASSING ISN'T OUR FAVORITE
I DON'T THINK I WANNA GO LINE BY LINE EITHER.
IT'S NOT REALLY MY IDEA OF A GOOD TIME, BUT
SEEING AS THIS IS HAPPENING, FOCUS POINTS OF LIKE, AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A NEW DIRECTOR, UM, A NEW DIRECTOR OF HOUSING.
I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT, HEY, THESE ARE LIKE OUR, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER TOP 10 ISSUES OVER THE YEARS YEAH.
OVER THE YEARS THAT REALLY ANNOY US AND MAKE NO SENSE TO US.
AND WHY DO WE DO THAT? AND IS THAT FAIR? AND, YOU KNOW, IS IT NECESSARY? BECAUSE SOME OF THE STUFF TOO, LIKE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE SETBACKS FOR PLAY COURTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SETBACKS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO MAKE A MOVEMENT OR A MOTION OR AN ACTION AND SAY THIS HAS TO HAPPEN.
BUT I THINK IT'S FAIR THAT WE GIVE THEM OUR THOUGHTS IN ONE CONCISE STATEMENT INSTEAD OF IN A PUBLIC COMMENT, OH, I HATE THIS, THIS SUCKS.
YOU KNOW, WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? WHY DO WE HAVE THIS MASSING THING? OR, HEY, THIS RULE, YOU KNOW, IS DISGUSTING.
SO I THINK, UH, IT WOULD BE BETTER.
'CAUSE I MEAN, I MEAN CARRIE WRITES IT DOWN AND, AND PEOPLE HAVE IT.
KURT'S HEARD THE CONVERSATIONS, BUT IF I WERE TO SAY TO KURT, WHAT ARE THE TOP 10 ISSUES? HE'D BE LIKE, OH, WELL I KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE MASSING,
BUT IF WE COULD GIVE HIM A, A STATEMENT OR WHITE PAPER, WHATEVER Y'ALL WANNA CALL IT, HIGHER, HIGHER LOOK AND TIMING.
I THINK AS FAR AS, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HIGHER LEVEL, LIKE YOU SAID, THE HIGHER LEVEL ANNOYANCES AND, AND WE'VE ASKED STAFF TO START DOING THE SAME TYPES OF THINGS AT THE DETAILED LEVEL, RIGHT? SO WE'RE ALREADY COMPILING A LIST OF THINGS THAT QUITE FRANKLY WE'D LIKE TO SEE CHANGED AS WELL.
SO BY ALL MEANS, UM, ANY THOUGHTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, UM, BEFORE WE MOVE INTO A CODE CRITIQUE, AND THAT'S THE CODE CRITIQUE IS WHERE WE'LL HAVE THE CONSULTANT OURSELVES, ET CETERA.
AND, AND, UH, Y'ALL ARE ALSO WELCOME TO.
UM, BUT THAT'S THE DEEP DIVE INTO LOOKING AT THE WHOLE THING AND SEEING MM-HMM
WHAT, WHAT MAKES SENSE, WHAT'S BROKEN, UM, KIND OF DISCUSSION.
UM, SO YEAH, I'D SAY THAT THAT SOUNDS, I DON'T WANNA SAY FUN, BUT IT SOUNDS UH, UM, LIKE SOMETHING WORTH DOING.
I WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF THE CODE CRITIQUE.
YEAH, IT'S, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A BIT OF A ROOT CANAL.
WELL, I, I, I THINK YOUR QUESTION, JOE, ABOUT TIMING, I THINK IF THEY'RE, IF STAFF IS STARTING TO THINK ABOUT THAT, THAT NOW'S THE TIME FOR US TO MAKE THOSE KIND OF ISSUES AND LET, LET PEOPLE BE KNOWN, GET THROWN IN THERE, OR ELSE I'VE SEEN TOO MANY TIMES YOU COME IN AT THE END AND TOO MUCH WORK HAS BEEN DONE AND THEN IT'S NATURAL TO DIG YOUR HEELS IN AND NOT WANT TO EMBRACE NEW IDEAS.
SO I, I THINK THE SOONER WE DO THIS, THE BETTER.
I JUST DON'T WANNA BE TOO EARLY THAT WE GET FORGOTTEN THAT I GUESS THAT WAS, WE WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN.
I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS ARE GONNA LET US FORGET
SO THEN IS THERE A FLAVORED GEN AGENDA? AGENDAS ON THE AGENDA? IS THERE YOU GO.
THERE MIGHT BE AN AGENDA THAT'S LIGHT BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING, SO WE'RE REALLY BAD AT STAYING OUT OF THE WEEDS.
AND AS MUCH AS I'D LOVE TO BE, LIKE, WE'RE GONNA STICK TO HEADING TOPICS.
SO AGAIN, THE FEBRUARY AGENDA, UM, HAS A, THE CLOTH AND FLAME RENEWAL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T DONE THE PUBLIC NOTICE FOR THAT YET.
SO THERE WAS SOME SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT ONE LAST TIME.
UM, BEFORE I DON'T GET EMAILS, APPARENTLY.
I DON'T GET EMAILS TO THE ETHER
NOR DID I GET THE PACKET THIS WEEK.
'CAUSE I'M GONNA BET 20 BUCKS.
HARMONY DIDN'T KNOW SHE HAD A MEETING TODAY.
WE CAN REACH OUT TO HER AND SEE.
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I'M FINE WITH CLOTH.I'M HOPING THAT BECAUSE CLOTH AND FLAME HAS BEEN NON-EVENTFUL FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.
WE WON'T BE SUPER LONG, BUT WE'RE OFF.
SO ANYWAY, I MORE MEAN FOR IZING.
BEFORE WE ADJOURN, CAN, UH, AGAIN, I, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE RULES WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY, BUT I'D LIKE TO JUST HAVE A BRIEF CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CHURCH PROJECT WE APPROVED TONIGHT.
CAN, CAN WE DO THAT? WELL, LET'S FINISH UP ON THIS AGENDA THING.
SO IS THAT, CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? YES.
YEAH, I THINK THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA.
'CAUSE IF WE WAIT THREE MONTHS, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE IN THE WEEDS AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BE LIKE, HEY, WE DON'T LIKE THAT PARAGRAPH.
AND THEN YOU ARE ALL GONNA BE LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S NICE.
IF YOU WAIT THREE MONTHS, I'M GONNA BE ON VACATION.
SO
YOU GUYS CAN FIGURE OUT LIKE HOW THAT MIGHT WORK.
LIKE, HEY, YEAH, WE CAN, I'LL TALK TO TONY AND PASS IT OFF TO HIM.
IS THERE ANY WAY, LIKE IF THEY'RE GONNA BREAK THIS UP, KURT, IS THERE A WAY FOR CITY STAFF TO COMMUNICATE TO US AS A WHOLE SAYING, HEY, ON THE NEXT MEETING AND NOT A ONE WEEK NOTICE, BUT A, AN EMAIL THAT SAYS, HEY, ON THE NEXT MEETING WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SECTION THESE FIVE SECTIONS.
OR DOES IT HAVE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST GETTING, ONLY COMMUNICATION WE'RE GETTING IS NOTICE OF MEANING.
IT CAN, IT FOR MORE COMMUNICATION IS, IS AS TOTALLY ALLOWED.
SO THEY CAN BREAK IT UP THAT WAY.
IF THAT'S WHAT, AS LONG AS WE DON'T RESPOND ALL AS LONG AS THE COMMISSION DOESN'T RESPOND BACK TO ALL, UH, STAFF'S FREE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE, TO THE COMMISSION.
DON'T REPLY ALL 'CAUSE THEN IT'S A MEETING.
SO YEAH, WE, WE WILL GENERALLY SEND AT LEAST, I GENERALLY WILL SEND THAT B, C, C.
SO EVEN THAT'S A GOOD, IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY HIT REPLY ALL.
SO IF YOU ALL COULD JUST THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WANT THAT TO LOOK.
'CAUSE WE COULD VOMIT ALL OVER YOU AND THEN IT'S A MESS.
SO IF WE CAN FOLLOW YOUR STRUCTURE AND SUPPORT YOU IN THAT ENDEAVOR, INSTEAD OF ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT SETBACKS AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ROOFS, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S GOING TO, MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF A MESS DONE.
ARE WE ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT WHATEVER ROB WANTS TO TALK ABOUT? IF IT'S A, A PROPOSED FUTURE MEETING AGENDA ITEM? ROB CAN PROPOSE IT.
SO WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES WE, UH, THOUGHTS AND ABOUT, UH, SOME OF THE ACTION WE TOOK TONIGHT.
IT WOULD'VE HAD TO BE UNDER DISCUSSION OF THE AGENDA ITEM.
SO LIKE BEFORE OR AFTER WE VOTED, BUT IT, IT WAS MORE, IT WAS MORE HIGH LEVEL CONCEPTUAL DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THE COMMISSION DEALS WITH SOME OF THAT STUFF.
THAT, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A, AN AGENDA ITEM FOR FUTURE DATE.
NOT UN UNDER TODAY'S MEETING ITEM.
HOW THIS, HOW COUNT, HOW THE COMMISSION DEALS WITH, OKAY.
THEN FOR FUTURE AGENDAS, I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE DISCUSS WHEN A PROJECT COMES BEFORE US THAT WE THINK IS VERY POOR, HOW WE MIGHT ENACT POSITIVE CHANGE.
BUT WE'RE IN AN ARENA, WE'RE IN AN AREA WHERE WE CAN'T, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO MAKE POSITIVE CHANGE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? UHHUH,
SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER SMITH, THE, THE PLACE TO DO THAT MIGHT BE IN THE LDC UPDATE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY IN THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR A CEP LIKE TONIGHT TO, TO MAYBE GIVE COMMISSIONER A LITTLE MORE LEEWAY THERE.
UM, OTHERWISE YEAH, I THINK THE ANSWER IS GENERALLY GONNA BE NO.
SO AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CODE, MAYBE WE CAN FIX IT, NOT A CODE ISSUE.
YEAH, IT'S A, IT IS A DESIGN ISSUE, SO NEVERMIND.
WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY? NO, WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY? I WAS GONNA SAY CODE COVERS A LOT OF DESIGN.
AND SO, BUT IF IT'S NOT THAT FAR, THEN, THEN THE ANSWER'S NO.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T COMPLETELY FIX ARCHITECT'S DESIGNS IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
DO I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT NINE? NO, NO.
SO CLOSING THE MEETING AT 6 54.