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TO ORDER THE CITY OF SEDONA COUNCIL MEETING, AND, UH, AT 4:30 PM ON TUESDAY, MARCH 10TH, PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE OF ALLE, ALL THE FIRE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION, NATION, UNDER GOD WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.AND TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO DEDICATE THIS MOMENT OF SILENCE TO PAT O'HALLORAN, WHO IS THE WIFE OF TOM O'HALLORAN, OUR, OUR CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR MANY YEARS, WHO PASSED AWAY ON FEBRUARY 28TH.
MADAM CLERK, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? MAYOR PLU.
ALL RIGHT, NANCY, WE'LL HAVE OUR MOMENT OF ART.
WOULD YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE OUR LOCAL SCULPTOR, JILL TRENT, HOME.
AND JILL, NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE A VIDEO.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS.
UM, MARCH'S, NATIONAL WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH, AS WE ALL KNOW.
AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT JILL AND THE PIECE THAT SHE HAS JUST CREATED, UM, WHICH HONORS THE FEMININE FOR WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH.
SO, JILL IS THE PROTEGE, WHICH I THINK MANY OF YOU KNOW OF THE LATE MASTER SCULPTOR, JOHN SODERBERG.
HER WORK EXPLORES THEMES OF HEALING, UNITY, AND HUMAN DIGNITY, OFTEN TAKING THE FORM OF PUBLIC ART.
ART CAN BEAUTIFY, HEAL, EVOKE EMOTION, AND EDUCATE ALL WHILE BRINGING COMMUNITY TOGETHER.
JILL'S DEAR WOMAN MONUMENT PROJECT DOES JUST THAT THIS PIECE IS HER DEEPLY PERSONAL RESPONSE TO THE CRISIS OF MISSING AND MURDERED INDIGENOUS WOMEN.
IT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS CURRENTLY ON MAQUETTE, AND IT'S A SCULPTURE THAT HONORS, PROTECTS AND BRINGS AWARENESS TO THE INDIGENOUS STORIES.
THERE WILL BE A MEET THE ARTIST EVENT THIS THURSDAY, MARCH 12TH, FROM FOUR TO 5:00 PM AT THE COMMUNITY LIBRARY.
SEDONA AND JILL WILL UNVEIL THE PIECE THERE, AND I HOPE ANY OF YOU CAN JOIN US FOR THIS SO YOU CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS IMPORTANT PROJECT, PARTICIPATE IN A Q AND A AND MEET JILL.
SO WE'RE GONNA BEGIN WITH A VERY SHORT CLIP, AND THEN JILL WILL SAY A FEW WORDS.
I CREATED THE SCULPTURE OF DEAR WOMAN AS THE TO RAISE AWARENESS FOR THE ONGOING CRISIS.
MURDERED IN MANY INDIGENOUS TRADITIONS.
DEAR WOMAN, IS KNOWN AS A FIERCE, PROTECT YOUR OWN AND CHILDREN FEAR OF JUSTICE AND STRENGTH.
THE UNMISTAKABLE RED HAND PRINT ACROSS HER FACE REPRESENTS THE SILENCE, POISON OF INDIGENOUS WOMEN WHO HAVE GONE MISSING OR BEEN MURDERED.
IT SIGNIFIES THE LACK OF ATTENTION AND ACTION, DEMANDING JUSTICE AND REMEMBRANCE.
HAND PRINT IS ALSO A SYMBOL OF ORGANIZATIONS SURROUNDING MISSING AND MURDERED INDIGENOUS.
SHE'S WRAPPED IN A BLANKET OF EARTH RISING FROM THE LAND ITSELF, AND CARRIES WITHIN IT 350 SCULPT BASIS EACH ONE PRECIOUS LIFE STORY A SOUL MUST NEVER FORGET.
AND EACH ONE REPRESENT REPRESENTING HUNDREDS MORE.
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I ENVISIONED HER STANDING 10 FEET OF TALLER, NOT AS A MONUMENT OF SORROW, AS CALLED THE TRUTH.A SPACE FOR GRIEVING, A PLACE FOR AWAKENING, PACKED TOWARD HEALING.
WHEREVER SHE STANDS, SHE BECOMES A GUARDIAN HOLDING MEMORY, COMMANDING PRESENCE, CALLING FOR, FOR CHANGE.
UH, FIRST I WANNA THANK THE CITY OF SEDONA, ALL OF YOU HERE AND NANCY, FOR INVITING ME TO, TO, UH, TALK ABOUT THE HEART BEHIND THIS PROJECT.
UM, INDIGENOUS WOMEN GO MISSING OR ARE MURDERED 10 TIMES MORE OFTEN THAN ANY OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC, UH, NOT ONLY HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, BUT ALSO IN INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THE WORLD.
AND YET MOST PEOPLE STILL AREN'T AWARE THAT THIS IS EVEN HAPPENING.
I WASN'T AWARE UNTIL I STARTED TO, UH, LEARN ABOUT IT, AND I'M SHOCKED, ACTUALLY.
AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, UM, HOW CAN WE BEGIN TO CARE DEEPLY ABOUT SOMETHING WHEN WE'VE NEVER BEEN ASKED TO SEE IT? AND SO, HOW CAN HEALING BEGIN AROUND A WOUND THAT'S OVERLOOKED OR SILENCED? I ALSO BELIEVE THAT IN ORDER FOR TRAUMA TO HEAL, IT MUST FIRST BE RECOGNIZED.
DEAR WOMAN IS A SYMBOL OF REMEMBRANCE, RECOGNITION, STRENGTH, AND ULTIMATELY HEALING.
ART CAN OPEN HEARTS IN A WAY THAT FACTS ALONE SOMETIMES CAN'T.
A SCULPTURE CAN STAND SILENTLY AND STILL SPEAK.
IT CAN INVITE PEOPLE TO PAUSE, TO FEEL, TO REMEMBER TO ASK QUESTIONS AND TO CARE.
I AM DETERMINED THAT WHEREVER THIS MONUMENT IS PLACED, THAT I COLLABORATE WITH LOCAL INDIGENOUS ARTISTS TO DESIGN A BASE MOTIF FOR THE DEAR WOMAN THAT SHE'LL STAND ON THIS.
IT'LL BE ABOUT TWO FEET TALL, AND I THINK, AND THAT WILL BE TRANSLATED INTO MOSAIC.
SO IT CAN REALLY BE COLORFUL AND OUTDOORS.
AND THIS COLLABORATION IS ESSENTIAL BECAUSE THE BASE IS FAR MORE THAN A PEDESTAL.
IT IS PART OF THE STORY ITSELF, AND IT DESERVES INDIGENOUS VOICE GUIDANCE AND ARTISTRY.
AND I INTEND FOR DEAR WOMAN MONUMENT TO SPARK CONVERSATIONS THAT MATTER NATIONALLY AS WELL AS INTERNATIONALLY.
SHE HONORS THE LIVES OF INDIGENOUS WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN LOST, HARMED, OR FORGOTTEN.
AND SHE REMINDS US THAT AWARENESS IS NOT THE END.
BECAUSE ONCE WE TRULY SEE HEALING AND CHANGE BECOME POSSIBLE, AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU ALL TO COME TO THE LIBRARY.
AND ON THURSDAY AT FOUR O'CLOCK, WE'LL BE UNVEILING THE 24 INCH BRONZE OF HER.
AND THERE WILL BE SOME IN MANY INDIGENOUS PEOPLE THERE.
AND I'VE GOT A WALKING CROW YOU MIGHT KNOW AND KOALA, THEY'RE GONNA PARTICIPATE.
AND I'M REALLY, REALLY EXCITED FOR IT.
SO MY HOPE AGAIN, IS THAT THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING, THE BEGINNING OF MORE AWARENESS, COMPASSION, AND CONVERSATION TO OPEN THE DOORS TO MEANINGFUL CHANGE.
SO, JILL, IF I, I MIGHT ASK YOU A QUESTION.
SO THE GIGANTIC SCULPTURE YES.
DOES THAT EXIST? NO, IT DOESN'T YET.
IT'S HERE HIDDEN HERE AND ON THE SCREEN.
I THINK THIS IS A, A MONUMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE, IT NEEDS TO BE BUILT AND, AND I THINK IT CAN ACTUALLY HELP DO SOME HEALING.
AND ARE THE BRONZE, IS THAT GOING TO BE A, UH, FOR SALE AND A CERTAIN NUMBER? YES.
I, IT'LL BE A LIMITED EDITION NUMBER.
I PLAN ON MAKING SOME FOUR FEET TALL AS WELL AS THE 24 INCH TALL.
AND THEN TO HAVE THE MONUMENT TO BE BY THE TIME IT'S FINISHED.
AND ON THE PEDESTAL, IT COULD BE ABOUT 14 FEET TALL.
DO YOU HAVE A HOME FOR THAT? NOT YET.
JILL, WHAT WAS THE INSPIRATION FOR THE VARIOUS FACES THAT ARE ON THE OH, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT BECAUSE, UM, WHAT I DID WAS I SCULPTED 10 GENERIC FACES AND THE CLAY THAT I USED, YOU MELTED YOU IT INTO THE MOLD.
ONCE IT COOLS, I POP IT OUT AND I HAVE THESE 10 FACES, THEN I WOULD LOOK ONLINE AND FIND THERE'S, SO, THERE ARE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND
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THOUSANDS OF WOMEN'S FACES THAT ARE ONLINE SHOWING THESE WOMEN ARE MISSING OR HAVE BEEN MURDERED.SO I WOULD LOOK AT THOSE, AND WHILE I WAS SCULPTING HER, IT TOOK ME ABOUT FIVE MONTHS TO SCULPT HER.
FOUR WOMEN WENT MISSING, AND TWO WERE FOUND MURDERED.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S A HUGE, IT'S A CRISIS.
MAYOR, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? IT'S KATHY, WHO WAS THE, IT'S KATHY.
IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE POSTAGE STAMP OVER THE SCREEN.
UM, HOW COULD SOMETHING LIKE THIS POSSIBLY BE CONSIDERED FOR, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC ART, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE COULD DISPLAY POSSIBLY THE, OUR MEMORIAL PARK, UH, JUDGE JAMESON PARK OR SOMETHING? IS THAT, DO WE HAVE WAYS TO, TO LOOKING ABOUT THAT? ABOUT? I'M OPEN TO, TO, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ONE HERE IN SEDONA, BECAUSE THIS IS VERY SACRED LAND HERE.
AND IT'S NOT JUST US THAT LOVE THIS LAND.
SO I, I WOULD, I'M OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTION OF WHERE WE COULD PLACE HER, BUT I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE IN A VERY PUBLIC SPACE WHERE ANYONE CAN COME AND USE THIS SPACE AS, UM, TO HONOR AND TO REMEMBER, AND TO GRIEVE AS WELL.
I'M HAPPY TO, UM, INITIATE THIS AND SPEAK WITH YOU FURTHER ABOUT IT IF EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WESTERN GATEWAY.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE MILITARY PARK, WHICH I THINK IS A LITTLE SMALL.
IT'S KIND OF CROWDED RIGHT NOW, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING START.
EVEN FOR MARQUETTE, THAT WOULD BE A PERFECT SPOT.
UM, BUT WE HAVE THE MILITARY, UH, INSTALLATION IS JUST A PART OF THAT PARK.
THAT PARK HAS OTHER MEMORIALS SUCH AS TO, UH, WOMEN TO THE ARTS, TO, UM, I BELIEVE THERE WAS ONE TO THE SERV SERVICE ANIMALS.
UH, SO I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT PLACE FOR MEMORIAL.
AND SEDONA SCHLEY'S THERE, THE, THE SMALLER MARQUETTE SIZE IS THERE.
SO I COULD SEE IT, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THAT, TO COMBINE NATIVE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY OF SEDONA.
BUT AS FAR AS THE MONUMENTAL PIECE THAT ISN'T CREATED YET, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO LOOK INTO, UM, IF THE CITY WAS INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, ON, ON CITY PROPERTY, IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
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THREE, UH, CONSENT ITEMS. DOES ANYBODY WISH TO PULL ANYTHING OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? ANYONE FROM COUNCIL, STAFF, THE PUBLIC? OKAY.HEARING NONE, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MAYOR, I MOVE TO, UH, APPROVE ITEMS THREE A THROUGH E ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
[ 5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS]
NUMBER FIVE, SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR, COUNSELORS, CITY MANAGER, AND COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS.DO ANY COUNSELORS HAVE ANYTHING THEY WISH TO SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC? PETE? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
AS I, UH, HINTED THE LAST MEETING, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE, UH, TODAY AT THIS MEETING THAT, UH, THE COCONINO PLATEAU WATER, UH, WATER PARTNERSHIP, WATERSHED PARTNERSHIP, WHICH IS A GROUP THAT SEDONA IS A MEMBER OF HOSTS, UH, ANNUALLY, A FOURTH GRADE WATER ETHICS CONTEST.
NOW LAST YEAR, IT'S HISTORICALLY THIS, UH, EVENT IS FOCUSED UP IN FLAGSTAFF, BUT LAST YEAR WE ACTUALLY GOT WEST, UH, SEDONA SCHOOLS INVOLVED, AND THEY WON FIRST PLACE IN THE ART CONTEST.
WELL, THIS YEAR, UH, SEDONA, UH, UH, ONE OF OUR, UH, APPLICANTS WAS, UH, WON THE ESSAY CONTEST FOR THE FIRST TIME.
SO I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE PIPER WAGNER FROM WEST SEDONA SCHOOL, HER TEACHER KELLY KAGAN.
AND, UH, IF WE GET OUR ACT TOGETHER RIGHT, PERHAPS THERE'S A MOMENT OF ART OR A SUSTAINABILITY THING WE COULD DO AND, AND ACTUALLY HEAR, UM, THE ESSAY THAT SHE WROTE.
CAN WE BRING HER TO A COUNCIL MEETING TO READ HER ESSAY? YES, MAYOR.
UM, I TALKED TO BRYCE BUCK TODAY ABOUT, UM, INVITING THE PARENTS AND PIPER TO A FUTURE MEETING.
SO TODAY ANNETTE AND I WENT TO THE VERDE VALLEY MAYORS MANAGERS AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THE VERDE VALLEY BIANNUAL BREAKFAST, WHICH WAS HELD AT YAVAPI COLLEGE IN CLARKDALE.
AND IT INCLUDED SHERIFF'S OFFICE FIRE DISTRICTS FROM
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THE SEVERAL FIRE DISTRICTS IN THE VERDE VALLEY, SENATOR KELLY'S OFFICE, YAVAPI COLLEGE DEAN, AND A COUPLE OF OTHER FOLKS FROM YAVAPAI COLLEGE.TWO SUPERVISORS WHO REPRESENT DISTRICTS TWO AND THREE, AND, UH, CITY MANAGERS AND MAYORS.
DID I LEAVE OUT ANYBODY AND EACH, UH, ORGANIZATION OR CITY AND TOWN WE'RE ABLE TO SHARE WHAT'S HAPPENING LOCALLY.
AND I REALLY WANNA SAY THAT THE VERDE VALLEY IS A COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY THAT SUPPORTS EACH OTHER.
AND IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO HEAR WHAT'S HAPPENING IN, IN OUR OTHER TOWNS.
THERE'S FIVE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PUBLIC.
THERE'S FIVE CITIES AND TOWNS IN THE VERDE VALLEY, AND THEN THERE'S EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE COUNTIES.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE REPORT A LOT MM-HMM
BUT WE ALSO, HOW ABOUT HIGHLIGHTS? YEAH.
AND WE ALSO HAD THE FOREST SERVICE PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT FROM THE RED ROCK, THAT'S ROCK DISTRICT IN THE VERDE.
AND, UH, A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT FIRE PREPAREDNESS FOR THIS SEASON.
AND THEN, UH, WE ALSO LEARNED THAT, UM, THE COUNTY IS WORKING ON A WILD IN SCENIC RIVER DESIGNATION FOR THE UPPER VERDE RIVER.
SO THAT WAS ANOTHER, BUT EVERYONE HAS A LOT GOING ON.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANY SPECIFIC THINGS YOU WANTED ME TO HIGHLIGHT, BUT, UM, ALL THE MAYORS WERE THERE FROM ALL OF THE CITIES.
UM, BUT I THINK THE WILDFIRE PREPAREDNESS WAS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST DISCUSSION ITEM.
AND I GUESS WE'LL LOOK, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS MORE IN A LEGISLATIVE UPDATE, BUT ONE OF THE BILLS THAT EVERYBODY HAS BEEN IN OPPOSITION TO SEEMS TO HAVE DIED TODAY, THAT WOULD'VE REALLY RESTRICTED US IN A VERY HARMFUL WAYS.
SO THAT WAS A GOOD NEWS, AND WE WANNA THANK OUR, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FOR THEIR SUPPORT IN OPPOSING THE BILL.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, BUT I DO HAVE
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SOME CARDS FOR PUBLIC FORUM.SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM.
AND MICHAEL JAMES LONG FOLLOWED BY MARK 10 BRICK MARK'S, NICE TO SEE YOU, FOLLOWED BY DAVID KEY.
I'M AN ARIZONA STATE CITIZEN AND OF MEN DOMICILED ON THE LAND OF ARIZONA FOR NINE YEARS.
I'D LIKE TO SHARE FIRST A QUOTE FROM THE AMERICAN COMMUNICATIONS ASSOCIATION V DTZ 1950 QUOTE.
IT IS NOT THE FUNCTION, IT IS NOT THE FUNCTION OF OUR GOVERNMENT TO KEEP THE CITIZEN FROM FALLING INTO ERROR.
IT'S THE FUNCTION OF THE CITIZEN TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT FROM FALLING INTO ERROR.
ANOTHER QUOTE FROM MAYBERRY V MADISON, 1803 STATES, QUOTE, ANYTHING THAT IS IN CONFLICT WITH THE CONSTITUTION IS NULL AND VOID OF LAW.
CLEARLY, FOR A SECONDARY LAW TO COME INTO CONFLICT WITH THE SUPREME WAS ILLOGICAL FOR CERTAINLY THE SUPREME LAW WOULD PREVAIL OVER ALL OTHER LAWS.
AND CERTAINLY OUR FOREFATHERS HAD INTENDED FOR THE SUPREME LAW TO BE THE BASIS OF ALL LAWS.
FOR ANY LAW TO COME INTO CONFLICT, TO BE NULL AND VOID OF LAW, IT WOULD BEAR NO POWER TO ENFORCE IT, WOULD BEAR NO OBLIGATION TO OBEY.
IT WOULD PURPORT TO SETTLE AS THOUGH IT HAD NEVER EXISTED FOR UNCONSTITUTIONALITY WOULD DATE FROM THE ENACTMENT OF SUCH A LAW, NOT FROM THE DATE.
SO BRANDED BY AN OPEN COURT OF LAW.
NO COURTS ARE BOUND TO UPHOLD IT, AND NO CITIZENS ARE BOUND TO OBEY IT.
IT OPERATES AS A MERE NOLITE FICTION OF LAW, WHICH MEANS IT DOES NOT EXIST IN LAW.
THE DEFINITION OF POLICE POWERS NOW FROM BLACKS LAW FOURTH EDITION, PAGE 1317, STATES THE POWER, THE POWER INVESTED IN THE LEGISLATURE TO MAKE ORDAINED AND ESTABLISH ALL MANNER OF WHOLESOME AND REASONABLE LAW STATUTES AND ORDINANCES, EITHER WITH PENALTIES OR WITHOUT NOT REPUGNANT TO THE CONSTITUTION AS THEY SHALL JUDGE TO BE FOR THE GOOD AND WELFARE OF THE COMMONWEALTH AND THE SUBJECTS OF THE SAME.
NOW, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT NOTICE TO AGENT HAS NOTICED PRINCIPLE, AND OUR NOTICE OF PRINCIPLE IS NOTICED TO AGENT.
THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT LEGAL MAXIM.
IF ANY AGENT WOULD RECEIVE NOTICE, THEY'RE DUTY BOUND TO CONVEY IT TO THE ENTIRE AGENCY.
AND SHOULD THE AGENCY RECEIVE NOTICE, THEY'RE DUTY BOUND TO CONVEY IT TO ALL OF THEIR AGENTS.
BUT WHEREAS THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED WITH THOUSANDS OF NOTICES TO HUNDREDS OF AGENTS ACROSS NINE YEARS, RESULTED IN WIDESPREAD DERELICTION OF DUTY AND SYSTEMIC CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE TO THE CONTINUAL INJURY OF THE PUBLIC BUSINESSES AND PRIVATE CITIZENS OF SEDONA.
THE INCOMPETENCY OF THE STONE POLICE WOULD BE LAUGHABLE IF IT WERE NOT SO TRAGIC.
WHEN I WAS RECENTLY GIVEN CITATIONS, THEY CHARGED IT AS A RESIDENT.
HE HAD INSTRUCTED THE RED ROCK NEWS TO PRINT THAT MICHAEL JAMES LONG WAS A TRANSIENT.
EVEN THOUGH I'VE BEEN HERE DOMICILED FOR NINE YEARS AND HAVE NEVER HAD A NCE WHILE GIVING REPEATED NOTICE OF MY NON-RESIDENT ALIEN STATUS, THE RED ROCK NEWS FURTHER WENT INSTRUCTED BY THE STONE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO CALL ME A SOVEREIGN CITIZEN, WHICH IS CONSIDERED A TERRORIST GROUP BY THE FBII AM NOT A TERRORIST WHEN ONE IS CALLED A TERRORIST.
AND THIS WAS AN OPEN PRINT BEFORE ANY HEARING OF FACTS EVEN THIS IS NOT ONLY CRIMINAL LIABLE, BUT ALSO AN ATTEMPT TO PREEMPTIVELY JUSTIFY MY POLICE MURDER AND MAYBE TO PREJUDICE A JURY.
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THE SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT GOT MY EYE COLOR WRONG, AND EVEN THE COUNTY ITSELF IS INCORRECT.THEY APPARENTLY FURTHER CAN UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND THE PRIVATE.
WHILE I WAS OPERATING WITH CAPACITY AFFIRMED BY THE UNITED STATES FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORT AS A PRIVATE PASSENGER MOTOR CARRIER, NON-COMMERCIAL ONLY NON-BUSINESS, WITH THE NUMBER 4 4 1 8 3 5 4.
AND IT WAS CLEARLY MARKED ON THE OUTSIDE OF MY AUTOMOBILE.
THIS NUMBER IS FOUND, REGISTERED TO ME ON MULTIPLE FEDERAL.GOV WEBSITES WITH THE LEVEL OF INCOMPETENCE THE MEN AND WOMEN CARRYING WEAPONS IN OUR STREETS HAVE, IGNORING THE LAW, CRIMINALIZING THE INNOCENT, IMPOSING UNFAIR FINES AND FEES, ALONG WITH CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT TO THE PEOPLE ALL WITHOUT VICTIM.
FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THE CITY OF SEDONA IS AN INSURRECTION TO THE CONSTITUTION, AND THEY'RE THE ONES TERRORIZING THE PEOPLE IN COMMITTING TREASON.
HOW MUCH MORE BLOOD MUST BE SPILLED BEFORE AMERICAN LAW AND CONSTITUTIONAL ORDER IS RESTORED? BLESS EVERYONE.
I'M MARK 10 BROOK FROM UPTOWN SEDONA.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MY FELLOW COMRADES, UH, WITH THE UPCOMING BUDGET DISCUSSIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027.
I'M HERE TO DISCUSS THE, UH, SEDONA ANNUAL REPORT THAT I RECENTLY PUBLISHED.
HERE'S SOME OF THE IMPORTANT FINDINGS THAT I HAVE PUT TOGETHER.
FIRST, UH, THE NUMBER OF LICENSED, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTALS HAS GROWN TO ABOUT 1,266, AND THEY RANGE FROM ONE TO NINE BEDROOMS EACH WITH AN AVERAGE OF THREE BEDROOMS. UH, THE RESULTS OF THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL 3,300 BEDROOMS WITHIN SEDONA FOR LODGING COMPARED TO THE 2100 LODGING UNITS THAT ARE IN TRADITIONAL LODGING.
UH, IT'S ALSO ESTIMATED THAT MY ESTIMATE THAT SDRS COMPOSE ABOUT 45% OF THE LODGING REVENUE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
ALSO, LOOKING AT THE, UH, LOCAL ECONOMY, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS REMAINED STABLE THE LAST THREE YEARS AT ABOUT 1.3, 1.2 BILLION A YEAR.
UH, BUT THERE HAS BEEN A RECENT DROP IN LODGING REVENUE THE PAST FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS.
UH, MY CALCULATIONS SUGGEST THAT RESIDENTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ABOUT 34% OF CITY REVENUE WITH VISITORS, 66%, NOT THE OFTEN QUOTED 80% BY BUSINESSES.
RESIDENTS HAVE A BIGGER PLACE IN TERMS OF PROVIDING REVENUE TO THE CITY.
UH, MY CALCULATIONS INDICATE THAT SEDONA MAY AVERAGE 5.7 MILLION VISITOR DAYS, UH, NOT UNIQUE VISITORS, UH, AVERAGING ABOUT, UH, 15,600 DAILY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, OBVIOUSLY MUCH HIGHER DURING PEAK SEASON.
LARGELY, THESE, UH, VISITORS STAY IN SEDONA FOR ABOUT THREE TO FOUR DAYS.
WHILE THE AVERAGE SALARY FOR SEDONA, UH, IS NEAR THE TOP OF ARIZONA CITIES, THERE ARE REASONS LIKE A LOCAL HIGH COST OF LIMIT THAT ARE CAUSING THIS.
SPENDING ON STAFF PER RESIDENT IS ALSO ONE OF THE HIGHEST IN ARIZONA, LARGELY DUE TO THE NEED TO ADDRESS MITIGATING THE, UH, AVERAGE DAILY 15,600 VISITORS IN SEDONA.
IT'S INTERESTING THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST 6,500 PEOPLE THAT ARE EMPLOYED IN SEDONA, AND ABOUT 80% OF THESE PEOPLE COMMUTE IN EVERY DAY.
NOTABLE THAT THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF FULL-TIME STAFF IS SLIGHTLY BELOW THE BUDGETED LEVELS, UH, WITHIN RECENT YEARS, UH, QUITE OFTEN TO MAKE UP FOR LIMITED STAFF.
UH, IN SOME AREAS LIKE THE WASTEWATER PLAN AND PD, THEY'VE WORKED SOME SIGNIFICANT OVERTIME.
I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT CONSULTANTS, UH, HAVE ADDED AN ESTIMATED 19 FULL-TIME EQUIVALENCE, UH, FOR ASSISTING STAFF IN PREPARING REPORTS AND SO FORTH, WHICH IS COMMON PRACTICE WITHIN COMMUNITIES.
UH, THIS ADDS ABOUT 30 FULL-TIME EQUIVALENTS TO THE 201 THAT ARE BUDGETED BY THE USE OF CONSULTANTS.
UH, IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER AN APPROVED BUDGET THAT LIMITS STAFF NUMBER GROWTH OR REDUCING STAFFING IN THE FUTURE SINCE MANY OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE COMPLETE.
I ALSO WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE UPTOWN PARKING WORK GROUP.
I THINK THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CONCERN IS EMPLOYEE PARKING, WHICH CONSUMES ABOUT 30% OF THE PARKING HOURS.
THANK YOU, MARK DAVID, UH, FOLLOWED BY TIM PERRY.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSELORS, UH, DAVID KEY PRESIDENT, CEO OF THE GREATER SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, RESIDENT OF SEDONA.
UM, JUST HERE TO, TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF, UH, HOME RULE.
SO THE CHAMBER HAS TAKEN OFFICIAL POSITION IN SUPPORT OF HOME RULE.
I REALIZE I MISSED, UH, THE, THE PREVIOUS SESSION, BUT I AM HERE NOW.
UM, JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR CITY HAS TRULY BENEFITED FROM THE TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.
THERE ARE SOME THAT WOULD CONVINCE YOU THE CITY BUDGET IS A RUNAWAY TRAIN.
NOW, A RUNAWAY TRAIN DOESN'T DECREASE ITS BUDGET.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, DISENFRANCHISED PEOPLE
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LOOK TO CREATE OPPOSITION TO THE STATUS QUO.THEY SEEK TO, UH, OPPOSE INSTITUTIONS.
BUT I WOULD CONVINCE AND, AND HOPE THAT EVERYONE COMES AROUND TO THE IDEA THAT THERE'S A LOT OF FRUSTRATION WITH INSTITUTIONS AND GOVERNMENT AT MANY LEVELS.
WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE THAT HIGH FRUSTRATION AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL DOWN TO THE LOCAL LEVEL.
WE DON'T NEED TO PRESCRIBE THE SAME OPPOSITION TO INSTITUTIONS, TO OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT SEEKS TO HELP.
SO WITH THAT, I REALLY JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, IN THAT OPPOSITION, DOES ANYONE BENEFIT FROM OPPOSING HOME RULE? NO, NO ONE BENEFITS FROM THE CITY.
SETTING ASIDE MONEY THAT IT WOULD NORMALLY BE SPENDING, STILL COLLECTING, OF COURSE, DOES NOT STOP THE COLLECTION.
BUT I WANNA JUST EMPHASIZE AGAIN THAT THE CHAMBER IS IN SUPPORT OF HOME RULE AND HAS BENEFITED FROM PROJECTS LIKE THE FOREST ROAD BYPASS, LIKE THE PARKING GARAGE, THAT WE ARE SO EXCITED TO SEE OPEN IN UPTOWN TO REALLY ACCOMMODATE THOSE VISITORS, TO CENTRALIZE THEIR EXPERIENCE.
SO WITH THAT, WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL AND THE PROJECTS YOU PURSUE.
FOR THOSE THAT WOULD EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO ENCOURAGE, LET'S SAY THEY WANT MORE FISCAL CONSERVATISM, THAT IS FOR THE BALLOT BOX FOR THE CITY COUNCIL ELECTION.
THAT IS NOT THE HOME RULE VOTE.
MY NAME IS TIM PERRY, AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
IN TONIGHT'S INSTALLMENT OF THE LIES TOLD BY THE CITY OF SEDONA, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE ENTERTAINING TO LOOK AT THE MANY VARIETIES OF PSEUDOSCIENCE EMBRACED BY THIS DATA-DRIVEN COUNCIL AND STAFF.
BEGINNING, OF COURSE, WITH THE INSERTION OF ENVIRONMENTAL RHETORIC INTO OFFICIAL CITY DOCUMENTS, WHICH ATTEMPTS TO IMPLY THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF EQUIVALENCY BETWEEN ANIMATE AND NON ANIMATE OBJECTS ON THE ONE HAND AND HUMANS ON THE OTHER, AND THEREBY REJECTS THE MASS OF SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATING THE UNIQUENESS OF OUR SPECIES.
THEN WE HAVE A SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT, WHICH APPARENTLY BELIEVES THAT ITS FIXATION ON CUTTING CARBON EMISSIONS WILL SOMEHOW MAGICALLY TRANSLATE INTO A PROGRAM TO CREATE SUSTAINABLE CIRCULAR ECONOMIES USING LOCAL RESOURCES.
EVEN THOUGH THE TWO OBJECTIVES HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON, AND NO CAUSAL EXPLANATION HAS PRES BEEN PRESENTED LEADING FROM ONE TO THE OTHER.
THEN WE HAVE THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS ACTIVELY TRYING TO PROMOTE IN COLLABORATION WITH OTHER INSTITUTIONS IN THIS TOWN, NEW AGE TOURISM.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT ALL OF THESE CENTERPIECES OF NEW AGE TOURISM, YOU KNOW, CRYSTALS, CHAKRAS, SPIRIT JOURNEYS, VORTEXES, BIOENERGETIC FIELDS ARE NON-EXISTENT LIES AND FRAUDS.
AND THE CITY IS THEREFORE SPENDING PUBLIC MONEY ON SPREADING SCIENTIFIC MISINFORMATION.
OVER IN HUMAN RESOURCES, WE HAVE RUSS MARTIN, WHO IS CONDUCTING PSEUDO-SCIENTIFIC COLOR TESTS ON CITY STAFF TO DETERMINE THEIR PERSONALITIES.
AND IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY HAVE THE TOUCHINGLY OLD FASHIONED SUPERSTITION OF BELIEVING THAT AN ANIMAL, A DOG, CAN DEMONSTRATE THROUGH ITS ACTIONS, EVIDENCE THAT IS SOMEHOW RELIABLE IN COURT THROUGH THE RANDOM FIRING OF ITS NEURONS IN ITS BRAIN.
I'M REMINDED VERY MUCH OF THE HABIT OF THE ANCIENT ROMANS OF CONSULTING THE SACRED CHICKENS BEFORE THEY WENT INTO BATTLE TO SEE IF THEY'D WIN OR LOSE.
MIND YOU, STEPHANIE'S ALSO GOT HER OWN PERSONAL, UH, LITTLE PSEUDOSCIENCE OBSESSION WITH HER PREOCCUPATION WITH DISCREDITED DETERRENCE THEORY.
MY FAVORITE PSEUDOSCIENCE OF THE CITY, HOWEVER, HAS ALWAYS BEEN COUNSEL AND STAFFS FIXATION WITH AIR CONDITIONING.
AND MY VERY FIRST RETREAT, BRIAN FOLTZ, THOUGHT 77 DEGREES WAS TOO WARM AND HAD THE AIR CONDITIONING TURNED ON.
I CHECKED THE EARLIER, THIS ROOM IS AT 73 DEGREES.
THE PROBLEM HERE IS THAT IT IS A FACT THAT HUMAN COGNITION BEGINS TO DECREASE BELOW 77 DEGREES.
AND NOW ANNETTE KEEPS HER HOUSE AT 68 DEGREES.
THAT MAY WELL GO SOME WAY TOWARDS EXPLAINING WHY SHE'S AMONG THE MORE BRAIN DEAD MEMBERS OF CITY STAFF.
LEARN THE DATA OR STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.
[8.a. American Red Cross Month Proclamation, March 2026. ]
NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS.AND WE DO HAVE A PROCLAMATION TODAY FOR THE AMERICAN RED CROSS MONTH PROCLAMATION.
I'LL READ IT AND THEN GUYS CAN COME UP.
I'D LIKE TO WELCOME JANET DUBE AND HENNING LARSON, WHEREAS IN MARCH, WE CELEBRATE AMERICAN RED CROSS MONTH BY HONORING OUR NEIGHBORS WHO MAKE THE HUMANITARIAN MISSION
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POSSIBLE IN SEDONA EVERY DAY, THEIR ACTS OF KINDNESS CHANGE LIVES, BRINGING RELIEF, COMFORT, AND HOPE WHEN HELP CAN'T WAIT.THE COMPASSIONATE SPIRIT RUNS DEEP IN OUR COMMUNITY JUST AS IT HAS FOR 145 YEARS THROUGH THE AMERICAN RED CROSS.
AND WHEREAS TODAY, THOSE WHO SERVE WITH THE NORTHERN ARIZONA CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN RED CROSS LIGHT THE WAY DURING EMERGENCIES, WHETHER IT'S DELIVERING SHELTER, FOOD, AND COMFORT AFTER DISASTERS, PROVIDING A SAFE LIFE-SAVING BLOOD SUPPLY FOR PATIENTS FACING CONDITIONS LIKE CANCER TREATMENTS, CHILDBIRTH COMPLICATIONS AND TRAUMATIC INJURIES, ASSISTING MILITARY MEMBERS, VETERANS, AND THEIR FAMILIES WITH 24 7 GLOBAL SUPPORT OR EMPOWERING INDIVIDUALS WITH SKILLS LIKE FIRST AID AND CPR THAT SAVE LIVES.
AND WHEREAS THESE COLLECTIVE EFFORTS ARE A POWERFUL REMINDER THAT THE STRENGTH OF OUR COMMUNITY LIES IN OUR SHARED COMMITMENT TO ONE ANOTHER.
AS WE MARK RED CROSS MONTH, LET'S CELEBRATE OUR LOCAL HEROES AND RESOLVE TO CONTINUE LIFTING EACH OTHER UP SO NO ONE FACES AN EMERGENCY ALONE.
NOW, THEREFORE, I HOLLY PLU, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA, ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL TO HEREBY PROCLAIM MARCH, 2026 AS RED CROSS MONTH.
I ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS OF SEDONA TO REACH OUT AND SUPPORT THIS HUMANITARIAN MISSION ISSUED THIS 10TH DAY OF MARCH, 2026.
UH, MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL CITY STAFF, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE.
I DO WANNA POINT OUT IT BEING, UH, WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH.
THE RED CROSS IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT WAS FOUNDED BY A WOMAN, CLARA BARTON, PERSONAL HERO OF MINE.
I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T KNOW HER STORY TO PLEASE GOOGLE HER AND TAKE A LOOK AT HER LIFE.
UM, I WANNA JUST QUICKLY SAY, THE RED CROSS MISSION HAS BEEN A PART OF THIS COUNTRY FOR MORE THAN HALF OF ITS 250 YEAR HISTORY.
RED CROSS MONTH BEGAN AS A NATIONAL CALL TO ACTION DURING WORLD WAR II FOR INDIVIDUALS TO ADDRESS GROWING HUMANITARIAN NEEDS.
NOW IT'S A COMMUNITY TRADITION, HONORING NEIGHBORS WHO DELIVER SUPPORT WHEN HELP CAN'T WAIT.
RED CROSS MONTH IS MORE THAN A MOMENT OF RECOGNITION.
IT'S A POWERFUL REMINDER OF WHAT'S POSSIBLE WHEN WE COME TOGETHER TO CARE FOR ONE ANOTHER.
HERE IN SEDONA, ORDINARY PEOPLE MAKE AN EXTRAORDINARY DIFFERENCE EVERY DAY, WHETHER THEY'RE ROLLING UP THEIR SLEEVES TO GIVE BLOOD, OPENING THEIR HEARTS TO MAKE A GENEROUS DONATION, OR GIVING THEIR TIME AND THEIR TALENTS TO SUPPORT NEIGHBORS IN NEED.
IT'S IN LIFE'S MOST DIFFICULT MOMENTS, THAT THIS COMPASSION BRINGS RELIEF, HOPE AND STRENGTHENS STRENGTHENS THE BONDS THAT UNITE OUR COMMUNITY.
SO, ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN RED CROSS IN NORTHERN ARIZONA, I WANT TO EXPRESS OUR SINCERE GRATITUDE TO MAYOR PLU, TO THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS PROCLAMATION.
UM, PLEASE CONSIDER THIS OCCASION AS A SYMBOL AND A REMINDER OF OUR PROMISE TO ALWAYS BE THERE IN TIMES OF NEED HERE IN SEDONA.
OH, YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS ARE ACTUALLY MOVED AWAY, SO YOU WANNA SCOOT IN? HAVE EVERYTH.
WHATEVER YOU WANT FOR EVERYTHING.
REGULAR BUSINESS DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING, WELL, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ITEMS PULLED OFF, SO WE CAN SKIP THAT AB
[9.b. AB 3316 Presentation/discussion regarding the Annual Audit findings and Annual Comprehensive Financial Report (ACFR) for the City of Sedona for Fiscal Year 2024-2025.]
33 16 PRESENTATION DISCUSSION.UH, REGARDING THE ANNUAL AUDIT FINDINGS AND ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT, WHICH IS KNOWN AS
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AFER FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024.INTRODUCE OUR GUESTS, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, UH, COUNSELORS, BARBARA WHITEHORN, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
THIS IS JEAN MARIE DIETRICH, THE PRINCIPAL, UM, FROM CLA, OUR AUDIT FIRM.
AND RENEE STANLEY, OUR ACCOUNTING MANAGER.
GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME TO PRESENT OUR RESULTS OF THE EXTERNAL INDEPENDENT EXTERNAL AUDIT OF THE CITY OF SEDONA FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED JUNE 30TH, 2025.
MY NAME IS JEAN MARIE DIETRICH, AND I WORKED WITH MY PARTNER LAPITA MARTINEZ, TO COMPLETE THE AUDIT.
IN PERFORMING OUR AUDIT, WE DO A RISK-BASED AUDIT.
WE OBTAIN MANAGEMENT'S FINANCIALS AND DETAILS AND SUPPORTING SCHEDULES.
WE EXAMINE AND VERIFY MANAGEMENT'S ASSERTIONS ON THOSE SCHEDULES AND FINANCIALS AND PROVIDE OUR OPINIONS ON THEM.
OUR REC, OUR RECOMMEND, OUR AUDIT FINDINGS INCLUDE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
THOSE CAN BE VERBAL RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ANYTHING THAT IS SIGNIFICANT, WE PUT IN WRITING AND PRESENT TO YOU AS COUNCIL, WE WORK WITH MANAGEMENT TO COMPLETE THE AUDIT.
AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THE HOME MANAGEMENT TEAM.
THEY ARE VERY GOOD TO WORK WITH.
THEY'RE VERY TIMELY PROVIDING INFORMATION, AND THERE'S COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH IF THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, UM, WE WORK WITH MANAGEMENT, BUT WE WORK FOR US COUNCIL AND GOVERNANCE FOR THE CITY.
IN YOUR REPORTING PACKAGE, YOU WILL HAVE YOUR ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT, WHICH WE OPINE UPON THE GOVERNMENTAL ACTIVITIES AND BUSINESS ACTIVITIES AND MAJOR FUNDS OF THE CITY.
WE HAVE ISSUED CLEAN ON MODIFIED OPINIONS ON THOSE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
WE HAVE ALSO ISSUED A REPORT ON INTERNAL CONTROL OVER FINANCIAL REPORTING REQUIRED BY GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT AUDITING STANDARDS.
WE HAVE ALSO ISSUED A CLEAN UNMODIFIED OPINION ON THAT REPORT AS A PART OF OUR REQUIRED COMMUNICATION TO COUNSEL AS GOVERNANCE.
THERE WAS ONE CHANGE IN ACCOUNTING STANDARDS PROVIDED BY THE GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING STANDARDS BOARD REGARDING COMPENSATED ABSENCES.
MANAGEMENT IMPLEMENTED THE STANDARD, WE EVALUATED THEIR IMPLEMENTATION AND HAD NO DISAGREEMENTS ON THE IMPLEMENTATION.
MANAGEMENT HAS OTHER ESTIMATES THAT THEY ARRIVE AT.
IN COMPLETING YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, WE EVALUATE THOSE ESTIMATES.
AND PLEASED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE DID NOT IDENTIFY ANY MANAGEMENT BIAS AT ARRIVING AT THOSE ESTIMATES.
WE DID HAVE ONE ADJUSTMENT TO YOUR NET INVESTMENT IN CAPITAL ASSETS, AND WE HAD ONE PAST ADJUSTMENT REGARDING AN IMMATERIAL BALANCE, UM, ON YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
WE HAD NO DIFFICULTIES WHEN WE DID NOT IDENTIFY ANY UNUSUAL OR FRAUDULENT TRANSACTIONS WITHIN YOUR ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL STATEMENT.
AND I WANNA THANK COUNSEL FOR THEIR SCRUTINY OF THE FINANCIAL STATEMENT AND THE AUDIT RESULTS.
YOU'RE GOING TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE BASIC FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
THERE ARE NOTES TO THOSE OF FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, AND WE OPINE ON THOSE.
IN ADDITION, THERE ARE SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION REGARDING COMBINING SCHEDULES.
AND WE REVIEW THE THAT INFORMATION AND MAKE SURE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
AND THEN THERE'S STUFF THAT THE GASB, THE GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING STANDARDS BOARD SAYS, WE WANT YOU TO PUT THIS INFORMATION IN HERE, BUT WE UNDERSTAND YOUR AUDITORS CAN'T OPINE ON IT BECAUSE IT'S MANAGEMENT'S INTERPRETATIONS OF THE INFORMATION, SUCH AS MANAGEMENT'S DISCUSSION AND ANALYSIS AS WELL AS YOUR STATISTICS.
BUT OVERALL, IT WAS A CLEAN AUDIT WITH CLEAN OPINIONS, WHICH IS THE HIGH HIGHEST LEVEL OF ASSURANCE A CPA FIRM CAN PROVIDE.
AND OUR EVALUATION OF INTERNAL CONTROL, WE DID NOT IDENTIFY ANY MATERIAL WEAKNESSES NOR SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES OF INTERNAL CONTROL OVER FINANCIAL REPORTING.
AND WE HAVE NO OTHER FINDINGS TO REPORT TO YOU AS COUNSEL, I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, PETE? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
THANK YOU FOR THAT, UH, PRESENTATION.
YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN READING THESE, UH, ACT FOR REPORTS FOR LONGER THAN I CARE TO, EVEN WHEN THEY HAD A DIFFERENT NAME IN, IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
AND, UH, AND I LOVE READING SEDONAS BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS JUST A AMAZING, UM, OUR OVERALL HEALTH
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IS VERY STRONG.IS THAT CORRECT? I DO NOT OPINE ON THE HEALTH OF AN ORGANIZATION,
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, WELL, I LOOK AT IT AS LARGE RESERVES, ANNUAL SURPLUSES, A CLEAN AUDIT, LOW FINANCIAL RISK, ALL THESE THINGS YOU FOUND IN THE AUDIT.
IT'S, IT'S AMAZING FISCAL PERFORMANCE THAT I THINK REFLECTS THE CULTURE OF FOLKS THAT WORK HERE IN CITY HALL STEMMING FROM THE CITY MANAGER ON DOWN THROUGH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
AND IN GOING INTO EVERY DEPARTMENT, THIS PEOPLE TAKE THESE FISCAL PERFORMANCE OF OUR CITY SERIOUSLY.
AND IT'S A VERY, IT'S, IT'S A PLEASURE TO SIT HERE ON CITY COUNCIL AND ACCEPT REPORTS LIKE THIS.
SEE IF, UH, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE ROLE, BUT LET ME ASK THEM AND YOU CAN SAY NO, THAT YOU CAN'T ASK 'EM, AND THEN I'LL ASK BARBARA TO ANSWER 'EM.
DID YOUR AUDIT IDENTIFY ANY FINANCIAL VULNERABILITY RELATED TO OUR RELIANCE ON SALES TAX REVENUES? NO.
WE DO NOT ANALYZE VULNERABLE FOR VULNERABILITY.
WE JUST ANALYZE THE AUDIT SCHEDULES TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY MATERIAL MISSTATEMENT OR SIGNIFICANT MISSTATEMENTS TO THE SCHEDULES AND SUPPORT PROVIDED.
BARBARA, HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? AND I THINK THAT WE'RE, WE AS A CITY ARE IN AN EXCELLENT FINANCIAL POSITION.
I THINK WE ALWAYS HAVE TO BE PRUDENT AND WE HAVE TO REALLY CONSIDER THAT OUR REVENUES THAT DRIVE MOST OF OUR COLLECTIONS ARE SALES AND BED TAX, WHICH CAN BE MORE VOLATILE IN CHALLENGING ECONOMIC TIMES.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE MAINTAIN A POLICY RESERVES THAT ARE HIGHER THAN THE STANDARD.
THE STANDARD IS KIND OF A MINIMUM OF TWO MONTHS OR 16% FOR THE GENERAL FUND.
AND OUR POLICY IS 30% AND WE ARE WELL ABOVE THAT 30%.
AND I THINK THAT IS HOW WE KIND OF HEDGE AGAINST THE POSSIBILITY OF, YOU KNOW, DOWNTURNS IN THOSE TAX COLLECTIONS.
AND I THINK BECAUSE WE DO THAT AND BECAUSE WE MAINTAIN, UH, SURPLUSES EVERY YEAR, AND WE, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE VERY FISCALLY PRUDENT, UM, I I DON'T THINK THAT THE RISK IS EXTREME.
WE JUST HAVE TO BE AWARE OF IT.
THANK YOU BARBARA G I'LL TRY AGAIN.
ARE THERE ANY TRENDS OR RISKS THAT COUNCIL SHOULD BE PAYING ATTENTION TO IN THE NEXT THREE OR FIVE YEARS OR PAYING MORE ATTENTION TO WHEN IT COMES TO FINANCIAL REPORTING? IT'S CYBER RISK, IT'S GRANT MANAGEMENT RISK.
UM, THE ONE THING IS WITH CITY OF SEDONA, THEY'RE NOT HIGHLY, UM, RELIANT ON FEDERAL GRANTS.
UM, IN FACT, YOU'VE ONLY, WERE COMPLETING THE SECOND SINGLE AUDIT THAT YOU'VE HAD.
UM, FROM A FINANCIAL REPORTING RISK.
IT'S YOUR CONTROLS OVER YOUR INFORMATION SYSTEMS THAT ARE HIGHEST RISK WITH GRANTS MANAGEMENT.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S OUR SECOND HIGHEST RISK THAT WE FIND WITH THE LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE LEAVING THE WORKFORCE.
AND WHAT'S REPLACING THAT KNOWLEDGE IS NOT AS KNOWLEDGEABLE.
ANY INTERNAL CONTROL IMPROVEMENTS YOU THAT YOU RECOMMEND THAT WERE NOT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO PUT IN THE REPORT? NO, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING.
UM, JUST A CLOSER LOOK AT THE NET INVESTMENT CALCULATION WOULD BE THE ONLY VERBAL RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAD.
CHARLOTTE JUST HAD A QUESTION, AND IT DOESN'T AFFECT 2025, FISCAL 2025, BUT ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER GASB CHANGES UPCOMING THAT WOULD AFFECT 26? YES.
WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT REPORTING MODEL CHANGE, GASB STATEMENT NUMBER 1 0 3.
AND, UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR CLIENTS AHEAD OF THAT CHANGE IN JUNE.
SO WE'RE ALREADY, IF WE, UM, DRAFT THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, WE'RE ALREADY MAKING RECOMMENDED CHANGES FROM THE STANDARD.
THE STANDARD WOULD ALSO IMPACT MANAGEMENT'S DISCUSSION AND ANALYSIS AND THE PRESENTATION OF THAT.
SO NEXT YEAR IT'S GONNA BE MORE SIGNIFICANT.
THE COMP ABSENCES SCHEDULE WAS NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT OF AN IMPACT TO YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, BUT YOU WILL SEE AN IMPACT IN THE PRESENTATION OF YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS NEXT YEAR.
THIS IS AKIN IF YOU RECALL, UM, WHEN GS B 34 CAME OUT IN LIKE 98 AND WAS PROBABLY IMPLEMENTED HERE IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
IT CHANGED THE ENTIRE FACE OF THE FINANCIALS, ADDED THE GOVERNMENT WIDE STATEMENTS AND LIKE REALLY CHANGED THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE GAME FOR FINANCIAL REPORTING.
UM, GS B 1 0 3 IS SIMILAR IN ITS SCOPE.
IT WILL CHANGE THE WAY THE FINANCIALS
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LOOK.UM, SOME OF THE THINGS IN THEM WILL CHANGE.
SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT BEING A PRETTY BIG LIFT.
NOT TO GET TOO FAR OFF TRACK, BUT IS THE, UM, NEW ERP SYSTEM GOING TO EASILY REFLECT THAT OR BE ABLE TO COLLECT THAT INFORMATION IN THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE COLLECTED? WE, UH, ARE WE DOING THE ACT FOR BUILDER RIGHT AWAY? SO WE ARE DOING, HAD TO JUST DOUBLE CHECK BEFORE I MADE THIS STATEMENT.
THEY HAVE AN ACT FOR BUILDER WITHIN THE TYLER SUITE OF PRODUCTS AND THEY DO UPDATE IT FOR THE GASB UM, CHANGES.
I'M SURE BECAUSE 1 0 3 WAS ISSUED HOW MANY YEARS AGO.
LIKE, WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT IT NOW.
USUALLY WE DO HAVE A PRETTY GOOD LEAD TIME FROM WHEN THEY ACTUALLY ISSUE THE STATEMENT, WHICH WAS TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE TO IMPLEMENT, AND THAT'S THE TIME WHEN LIKE TYLER TECHNOLOGIES IS IN THERE, MAKING SURE THAT THEIR ACT FOR BUILDER CAN GO FROM WHAT WE PRESENT TODAY TO WHAT WE HAVE TO PRESENT WITH THE NEW GASB.
AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ECHO WHAT PETE HAS SAID ABOUT IT'S SO PLEASANT TO RECEIVE A CLEAN AUDIT AND GOOD FINANCIALS.
AND IT, IT REALLY IS A PLEASURE AND UM, I COMMEND YOU FOR IT.
REWINDING TO WHAT COUNCILOR FURMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT, ASKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL RISKS DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU WERE MENTIONING GRANT MANAGEMENT RISK AND UH, BRAIN DRAIN.
IT KIND OF SOUNDED LIKE, SO IS THAT A RISK IN TERMS OF COMPLIANCE POST-GRANT RECE RECEIVING THE GRANT AND JUST MAKE IT'S IT'S COMPLIANCE POST AND DURING, UM, WITH, UM, THAT KNOWLEDGE OF GRANTS MANAGEMENT, UM, SEGREGATION OF DUTIES BEING PUT IN PLACE, THAT'S WHERE WHEN THAT KNOWLEDGE LEAVING THERE IS ADDITIONAL RISK THAT WE'RE SEEING.
I JUST DID A PRESENTATION OF IT AT THE G-F-O-A-C CONFERENCE AS WELL.
UM, THERE'S A LOT MORE FRAUD RISK ASSOCIATED WITH GRANTS MANAGEMENT WITH THE KNOWLEDGE, UM, LEAVING THE INDUSTRY.
SO I ATTENDED A UNRELATED CONFERENCE, UH, ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, AND ALMOST EVERY TOPIC FOR THREE DAYS IN SOME WAY OR ANOTHER TOUCHED ON AI.
SO HOW IS AI, HOW DO YOU PERCEIVE THAT TO BE A TOOL TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE RISKS GOING FORWARD? THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, THAT WAS PART OF THE PRESENTATION AS WELL.
AI, UM, WE ALWAYS ARE CAUTIOUS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UM, AI IS ASSISTING WITH GRANTS MANAGEMENT IN THAT IT IS PUTTING WORKFLOWS IN PLACE THAT IS INCREASING SEGREGATION OF DUTIES.
AI IS ASSISTING WITH, UM, READING AND INTERPRETING DOCUMENTS.
WE ALWAYS HAVE TO READ WHAT AI READS 'CAUSE WE, WE TRUST BUT VERIFY.
THAT'S WHAT MY MANTRA IS AS AN AUDITOR.
UM, BUT IT'S THOSE KIND OF THINGS, PUTTING IN THOSE WORKFLOWS, PUTTING IN THOSE SEGREGATION OF DUTIES, PUTTING IN, UM, MONITORING MECHANISMS OF THE GRANT FROM THROUGHOUT ITS WHOLE LIFE CYCLE.
A LOT OF, UM, MUNICIPALITIES USE EXCEL SHEETS.
THEY USE, UH, DIFFERENT TRACKING MECHANISMS. UM, IF FOR THOSE MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE HEAVILY GRANT FUNDED, WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT THEY GET THIS GRANTS MANAGEMENT SOLUTION OF SOME TYPE IN PLACE SO THAT THE GRANTS CAN BE MONITORED, UM, FROM APPLICATION THROUGH SPENDING, THROUGH COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS.
ARE WE GETTING A, A MODULE FOR GRANTS MANAGEMENT AS PART OF OUR SOFTWARE PACKAGE? WE HAVEN'T, UH, WE HAVEN'T PURCHASED THAT YET, BUT WE DEFINITELY NEED SOMETHING TO MANAGE GRANTS, UM, WITHIN THE SUITE THAT WE'RE GETTING, THERE'S A PROJECT MANAGEMENT, I GUESS MODULE.
I NEVER KNOW WHAT THEY CALL IT ANYMORE.
UM, THAT ALLOWS FOR LIFETIME BUDGETING, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT COMPLIANCE PIECE.
AND THAT COMPLIANCE PIECE IS THE MOST CHALLENGING WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE FEDERAL GRANTS BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE MAY BOTH BE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT THE REALITY OF WHAT THEY WANT FOR REPORTING AND COMPLIANCE AND DOCUMENTATION CAN BE VASTLY DIFFERENT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE REALLY HAVING SOME DEDICATED SOFTWARE WILL HELP.
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JEAN MARIE SAID, WE'RE NOT VERY DEPENDENT ON GRANTS, SO IT'S NOT THAT LEVEL OF URGENCY, BUT I, I THINK, UM, AS WE APPLY FOR MORE GRANTS GOING FORWARD, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO.I THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB IN INCREASING OUR GRANTS.
WE HAVE, WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE SINGLE AUDITS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE, WHAT'S THE THRESHOLD NOW, JEAN? A MILLION DOLLARS.
SO A MILLION DOLLARS IN GRANTS IN A SINGLE YEAR FOR, TO NEED A SINGLE AUDIT.
AND WE'VE HAD TWO OF THEM SO FAR.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT A BIG CITY WITH LIKE, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDS.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S IMPRESSIVE THAT WE HAVE STAFF THAT'S WRITING GRANTS TO, TO GET THAT MONEY.
AND I'D JUST LIKE TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON RECEIVING THE CERTIFICATE OF EXCELLENCE IN FINANCIAL REPORTING FROM THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION.
HOW MANY YEARS IN A ROW 25 TRIBUTE TO YOUR TEAM? IT REALLY IS.
IT'S A TRIBUTE TO THE TEAM OVER THE YEARS.
YOU KNOW, THAT EVERY YEAR THEY, THEY HAVE KEPT UP THAT, THAT, UH, AWARD.
AND IF I, IF I COULD, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT, BECAUSE I KNOW FOR THE PUBLIC THAT LOOKED AT THE PACKET BEFORE WE MADE CORRECTIONS, THERE WERE SOME CORRECTIONS THAT WE HAD TO MAKE WITHIN THE ACT FOR IN THAT REQUIRED SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION.
NOT THE BASIC FINANCIALS, NOT THE AUDITED FINANCIALS.
UM, WE REPLACED SOME PAGES IN THERE.
UM, AND THEY ALSO HAD ACCIDENTALLY INCLUDED A SLIDE IN THE SLIDESHOW THAT WAS NOT RELATED TO US.
IT SAID THERE WERE THREE FINDINGS.
THERE WAS A SLIDE THAT WAS REMOVED.
YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS NOT US.
SO JUST IN CASE ANYONE'S LIKE, MY GOODNESS, THREE FINDINGS.
I I WOULD'VE BEEN TELLING YOU ALL THAT LONG BEFORE TODAY.
SO FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO MAY BE INTERESTED, WHERE WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE UPDATED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OR THE AUDITED ACT FOR AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE? ON THE FINANCIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT PAGE? UM, YOU GO INTO THE BUDGET AND FINANCIAL REPORTING SECTION AND INTO THE 24 25 FISCAL YEAR, AND IT'LL BE RIGHT THERE.
WELL, WE GOT AN UPDATED, UH, PACKAGE EARLIER TODAY.
IS IS THAT PART, WAS IT REPLACED IN THE PACKET OR IS THAT JUST TO COUNCIL? IT WAS REPLACED IN THE PACKET.
WHO COULD GO AND GET THE PACKET COULD, WOULD ALSO SEE THE UPDATED CORRECT INFORMATION.
UNLESS THEY LIKE DOWNLOADED IT ON, YOU KNOW, SATURDAY OR SOMETHING.
NO ONE, NO ONE THINKS WE'RE SITTING UP HERE SAYING WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY FINDINGS WHEN WE ACTUALLY DID, OR, YOU KNOW, MISSTATING ANYTHING, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE JOANNE WHEN IT WAS UPDATED TODAY.
ANY PARTICULAR TIME? SOMEBODY GOT IT THIS MORNING BEFORE NOON.
ANY COMMENTS? JUST LAST ONE, MAYOR, I, UH, TRIED TO EXPLORE A NEW MATH, UH, UH, ANALYSIS OF THE ACT FOR THIS YEAR.
AND I STUMBLED ACROSS LOOKING AT NET POSITION PER OUR POPULATION.
AND I SEE THAT WE HAVE $29,000 IN ASSETS PER RESIDENT, WHICH I BELIEVE IS JUST AN EXTRAORDINARILY HIGH NUMBER FOR A SMALL CITY LIKE SEDONA.
AND SO EVERYBODY IN THIS TOWN SHOULD JUST BE ABSOLUTELY, UH, HAPPY AND PROUD OF THE FINANCIAL POSITION OF OUR CITY.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO STAFF.
SO RENEE, BARBARA, AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT WORKED ON THIS WAY TO GO.
AND IF I COULD GIVE A HUGE THANK YOU TO RENEE, WHO REALLY DID MOST OF THE HEAVY LIFTING THIS YEAR.
[9.c. AB 3314 Discussion/presentation/ possible direction regarding streets in the City’s right-of-way not currently maintained by the City.]
NEXT ITEM, AB 33 14, DISCUSSION, PRESENTATION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING STREETS IN THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY, NOT CURRENTLY MAINTAINED BY THE CITY.[00:55:01]
YOU CAN EITHER USE THE ARROW KEYS OR WHICHEVER YOU WANT.I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE TIGHT RIGHT THERE.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL KURT HARRIS, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, GOD TO BE HERE.
WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF INTRODUCED JOHN EVERS.
HE'S OUR NEW, UM, ENGINEERING SUPERVISOR.
WE WORK TOGETHER AT A DOT, HAS TONS OF EXPERIENCE.
HIS SPECIALTY IS IN PROGRAM AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT.
PUBLIC WORKS IS REALLY HAPPY AND FORTUNATE TO HAVE HIM ON BOARD.
UM, SO WE'RE PRESENTING ON THE PUBLICLY OWNED AND PRIVATELY MAINTAINED ROADS IN THE CITY OF SEDONA.
UH, COUNCIL, UH, REQUESTED THAT STAFF PRESENT THIS INFORMATION, UH, REGARDING, UH, PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN PRIVATELY MAINTAINED AND EVALUATE CONSIDERATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH BRINGING THOSE ROAD SEGMENTS INTO THE CITY'S MAINTAINED STREET SYSTEM.
AND SO WE'RE, UH, GONNA TRY TO GET INTO THAT, THAT THIS NOT SO SIMPLE CONCEPT.
SO, UH, THE ROAD SITE WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT WE HAVE SLIGHTLY OVER ONE MILE OF PUBLIC ROAD THAT ARE PRIVATELY MAINTAINED IN THE CITY.
AND IT IS FAIRLY HARD TO SEE IN THIS MAP CITYWIDE.
BUT THOSE GREEN STREETS THAT ARE SHOWN THERE, THOSE REPRESENT THOSE STREETS THAT ARE, UH, PRIVATELY MAINTAINED, BUT ARE, HAVE EITHER A PUBLIC EASEMENT OR, UH, RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S BEEN DEDICATED TO THE CITY.
UH, THE ROAD SEGMENTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WERE ORIGINALLY PLATTED AND DEDICATED UNDER YAVAPAI COUNTY OR COCONINO COUNTY, UH, PRIOR TO THE INCORPORATION OF THE CITY OF SEDONA IN 1988.
UH, PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY THAT HAVE NOT BEEN CONSTRUCTED TO ADOPTED ROADWAY DESIGN STANDARDS ARE GENERALLY NOT ADDED TO THE, TO, TO THE MAINTAINED INVENTORY WHERE ROADWAY UPGRADES ARE DESIRED.
COUNTIES REQUIRE THAT IMPROVEMENTS MEET CURRENT DESIGN STANDARDS PRIOR TO ADOPTION FOR MAINTENANCE.
IN MANY CASES, SUCH IMPROVEMENTS ARE FUNDED BY THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS OR THROUGH THE FORMATION OF IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS.
AND OUR SCENARIO ONE WHERE WE HAVE PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY MAINTAINED BY THE CITY.
UH, TYPICALLY THESE ARE ROADS THAT WERE, AGAIN, DEDICATED TO THE PUBLIC, BUT WERE, OR WERE PLATTED, BUT WERE NEVER CONSTRUCTED TO YAVAPAI OR CITY OF SEDONA STANDARDS.
UM, THIS SCENARIO TWO, UH, THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT ARE ACTUALLY THOSE PRIVATE ROADS THAT ARE PRIVATELY MAINTAINED, UH, AND, UM, THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF OWNERS WISHING TO GET THOSE DEDICATED TO THE, TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE PUBLIC, UH, RIGHTS OF WAY NOT CURRENTLY MAINTAINED BY THE CITY.
WE SEE THAT WE HAVE, UM, THREE OPTIONS.
WE HAVE FULL UPGRADE TO CURRENT CITY STANDARDS THAT WOULD REQUIRE 50 FOOT OF RIGHT OF WAY 12 FOOT TRAVEL LANES, SIDEWALKS, CURBS AND GUTTER DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, AND OTHER UTILITY RELOCATIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS.
OR WE HAVE OPTION TWO TARGETED SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, THAT'S WIDENING TO KIND OF THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE WIDTH INSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE HAVE, UM, IMPROVING SITE DISTANCE AS BEST AS POSSIBLE, UH, AND OTHER, WHATEVER OTHER IMPROVEMENTS WE CAN MAKE.
UM, OPTION THREE AND THAT IS, UH, MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO.
UH, SHOULD NOTE THAT FOR SCENARIO TWO, THAT PRIVATE ROADS, WHEN PRIVATE ROADS, UH, SEEKING, ARE SEEKING DEDICATION TO THE PUBLIC, UH, WOULD LIKE TO JUST, AGAIN, NOTE THAT WE OCCASIONALLY HEAR FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE WISHING TO DEDICATE THEIR ROAD TO THE, TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, BUT AFTER DISCUSSION OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SEDONA CITY CODE 12.0 5.1 30, UH, THE ISSUE HAS ALWAYS BEEN DROPPED.
UH, THEN WE HAVE OUR NEXT STEPS IN THAT'S, UH, TO DEVELOP POLICIES OR DEVELOP PROJECTS, UM, OR AGAIN, JUST MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO WITH THE STREETS.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YET? ARE YOU GONNA GO? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
THE, MY NEXT SLIDES ARE GOING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT,
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UH, ROADWAYS, UH, AND WHAT WE SEE, WHAT WE HAVE AND KIND OF WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE.YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS NOW OR DO YOU WANNA WAIT TILL WE GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM? GOOD.
YES, ACTUALLY I CAN WAIT UNTIL YOU GO THROUGH THE ACTUAL SPECIFIC ONES.
SO WE'RE STARTING OFF, EXCUSE ME FOR A SECOND, KATHY, JUST JUMP IN IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
'CAUSE WE CAN'T SEE YOU RAISE YOUR HAND OR ANYTHING.
I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE OPTIONS AFTER WE LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC ROADS.
STARTING WITH, UH, UH, THE GOODROW LANE, FINKY DRIVE AND BERG DRIVE, THESE ROADS WERE ALL DEDICATED IN 1971.
UH, NONE OF THEM WERE BUILT TO ANY SORT OF, UH, ACCEPTABLE STANDARD.
UH, THEY WERE NOT, UH, ADOPTED EITHER, UH, BY YAVAPAI COUNTY OR THE CITY OF SEDONA.
THE ROADWAY WIDTHS VARY BETWEEN 50 FEET AND 18 FEET.
UH, ROADWAY WIDTHS VARY BETWEEN 20 FEET AND 12 FEET.
THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 28 PROPERTIES THAT ARE SERVED, UH, BY THESE THREE STREETS.
UM, THERE'S, UH, SEVERAL UNDEVELOPED PARCELS THAT ARE ALSO, UM, SERVED BY THESE STREETS.
THE OVERALL, UH, ROADWAY WIDTH ON THIS IS ABOUT 1900 LINEAR FEET FOR ALL THREE ROADS COMBINED.
UM, AND DUE TO THE LIMITED RIGHT OF WAY AND THE EXISTING ROADWAY WIDTH, UH, EVEN NOMINAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THESE ROADS ARE GONNA REQUIRE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS AND COSTS TO DO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
BRIAN, THANK YOU MAYOR JOHN, DO THESE ROADS CURRENTLY HAVE LIKE, UH, FIRE HYDRANTS? I MEAN, WE'VE GOT, I MEAN, THERE'S PUBLIC WATER, RIGHT? SO THERE IS PUBLIC WATER.
THERE IS A, AT LEAST ONE FIRE HYDRANT ON THE ROAD THERE.
UM, THERE ARE A PS POWER POLES ALONG THE EDGE OF THE ROAD, UH, EXISTING.
UM, THERE IS, UH, WE HAVE SEWER MAIN BASICALLY ALONG THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD AS WELL.
AND WERE YOU SPEAKING JUST ABOUT THE GOOD ROW? THIS IS JUST GOOD ROW, UH, LANE FINKY DRIVE AND SHIMBERG DRIVE.
AND I HAVE A QUESTION THAT YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER AT ALL, BUT I'LL ASK ANYWAYS.
UM, FROM AN INSURANCE PERSPECTIVE, LIKE FOR THE ACTUAL HOMEOWNERS, ARE THERE, ARE THEY NEGATIVELY IMPACTED IN ANY WAY BY SUBSTANDARD ROADS LIKE THIS? LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER A FIRE TRUCK CAN ACTUALLY GET TO THEM OR THINGS LIKE THAT? DOES THAT, DOES THAT PLAY INTO ANY THINKING HERE? I DON'T THINK THAT'S, UH, PART OF WHAT WE'VE RESEARCHED SO FAR.
IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK FURTHER INTO IF, IF NEEDED.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE DO OR DON'T NEED TO, I'M JUST KIND OF JUST WONDERING WHAT, WHAT ALL MATTERS FOR FOR THESE PROPERTY OWNERS.
YEAH, IT, IT COULD BE, UH, RELEVANT INFOR INFORMATION, UH, IN RELATION TO HOW WE PROCEED, BUT CURRENTLY WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THAT SO FAR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE GOOD ROW? IS YOUR QUESTION RELEVANT NOW? NOT REALLY.
IT'S MORE GENERAL, SO THAT'S OKAY.
ALRIGHT, GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
YEAH, WE, UH, THIS IS, UH, THIS SEPARATE SLIDE INSTEAD.
THE FIRST SLIDE SHOWS THE, UH, THE BASICALLY THE ROAD DEDICATION.
UH, THE SECOND SLIDE IS OUR KIND OF EXISTING, UH, ROADWAY, THE, THE PARCELS AND THE ALIGNMENT OF THE ROAD A LITTLE, I DUNNO IF IT'S CLEAR OR NOT, BUT IN MY PROCESS FOR GOING THROUGH AND CREATING THIS, I NEEDED TO GET GOOD SOLID MEASUREMENTS FOR ROAD WIDTHS AND ROAD LENGTHS.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD A LOT OF THE INQUIRERS WE GOT FROM THE RESIDENTS AT GOOD ROW HERE.
WHEN THEY PUT IN THE SEWER AND THE SEWER WAS THEN PAVED OVER, A LOT OF THEM ASSUMED THAT WAS THE CITY TAKING OVER THE ROADS.
AND I'M LIKE, HAD TO EXPLAIN TO THEM, NO, THAT WAS JUST PART OF THE SEWER IMPROVEMENT OF, UH, PROTECTING THAT SEWER LINE IN THAT.
AND SO, UM, THAT CREATED SOME CONFUSION FOR SOME RESIDENTS WE HAD TO EXPLAIN.
COULD I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? YES, PLEASE.
UM, DID YOU HAVE, IN SPEAKING WITH THESE NEIGHBORS AT THAT POINT, DID THEY EXPRESS AN INTEREST IN THE CITY TAKING IT OVER? YES.
SO WE GET AN INQUIRY AND JUST AS YOU'RE SEEING IN THE PRESENTATION, WE
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REFERRED 'EM TO CODE WHAT THE ISSUE WAS, SHARED WITH THEM, THE PLAT OF WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY, UH, DEDICATED, SHARED THE FACTS WITH THEM AND THEN WE ALWAYS CLOSED SAYING THE, THE CITY AND PUBLIC WORKS WOULD REALLY SUPPORT YOU GOING TO YOUR NEIGHBORS AND MAKING AN IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT OR GETTING TO COUNCIL.AND, AND HERE WE ARE TODAY TO, UM, IMPROVE OVERALL CONNECTIVITY, UM, AND MOBILITY FOR THESE RESIDENTS.
THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT I WAS
THE QUESTION MIGHT BE TO THEM, BUT, OR OR WHAT THEY, IF YOU'RE ASKING SOMEBODY, HEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THIS IMPROVED AND YOU WOULD PAY FOR IT, THEN I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT RESPONSE YOU MIGHT GET THAN, OH, IS THIS OF INTEREST TO YOU THAT THE CITY MIGHT TAKE THIS OVER AT SOME POINT? OR DO YOU LIKE WELL, WELL I WOULD CAUTION THEM BECAUSE I WOULD SAY YOU WOULD NEED TO GET TO YOUR NEIGHBORS AND THERE WOULD MEET, NEED TO BE A MAJORITY AND I THINK IT'S 75% TO COME BACK TO GO AND DO THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT THEN I SAID, IF WE'RE GONNA MEET CITY STANDARDS, A LOT OF YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE NOT GONNA APPRECIATE IT.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE EASEMENTS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, TREES ARE GONNA BE REMOVED.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE A GIVE AND TAKE.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE MAINTAINED THE EXISTING ROAD AS IS.
COULD THAT HELP? COULD I MAYBE CLARIFY REAL QUICKLY.
IN THE PAST, STAFF HAS ESSENTIALLY GONE OFF OF WHAT THE PAST POLICY HAS BEEN.
THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN WHAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE COUNTY.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT IS, IS THERE A POLICY SHIFT OR CHANGE THAT WE WANT TO MAKE? BUT I I DEFINITELY WANT TO CLARIFY THAT IN THE PAST, WE, UH, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THAT PAST POLICY WAS, WHICH WAS THAT THE CITY WASN'T MAINTAINING THE STREET.
SO THE, CAN I TAG ONE? THE, THE EXPECTATION GIVEN TO THE NEIGHBORS WAS THAT THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR BRINGING UP THE ROADS TO OUR STANDARDS.
WELL, OF COURSE THEY'RE GONNA SAY NO.
AND, AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE BASED ON THE POLICY CORRECT.
CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE COUNTY IS.
AS STATED, ANDY, IF A IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT DISTRICT IS FORMED, WHAT'S THE, HOW IS THAT, WHAT'S THE TIME PERIOD FOR REPAYMENT OF THE CONSTRUCTION? HOW IS IT SPREAD OVER 30 YEARS, 20 YEARS? WHAT'S THE IT IT COULD BE, IT WOULD ALL DEPEND ON HOW THE FUNDING OCCURRED.
UM, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO POTENTIALLY PURSUE A BOND FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN TYPICALLY YOU'D BE LOOKING AT 20 TO 30 YEARS ON THAT, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE FACILITY AS WELL.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD KIND OF MAKE SENSE.
AND THE DISTRICT WOULD JUST BE MADE UP OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE SERVED BY WHATEVER, TYPICALLY WHATEVER THE STREET IS.
EVEN, EVEN IF THE STANDARD TO WHICH THEY'RE BROUGHT VARIES BY, BY STREET AS FAR AS THE LIFECYCLE GOES, IS THAT THE QUESTION? WELL, AS FAR AS WHAT THEY WOULD BE CHARGED OR WHAT, HOWEVER THIS REVENUE WOULD BE GATHERED.
I I'M NOT EVEN, I DON'T EVEN LIKE GOING DOWN THAT ROAD, FRANKLY.
OH, SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY.
UM, I'M NOT EVEN INTERESTED IN THAT POSSIBILITY, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, MAYBE THIS IS MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND YOU'RE USING SCENARIOS AND YOU'RE USING, UH, POLICY OR WHAT WAS, WE HAVE A SCENARIO ONE AND WE HAVE A POLICY ONE OR OPTION ONE.
I, I DON'T WANNA GET CONFUSED HERE BETWEEN MY SCENARIOS AND MY OPTIONS, BUT, UM, ONE IS TO DO SORT OF THE BARE MINIMUM TO MAKE IT SAFER AND THE OTHER IS FULL CITY WITH THE SIDEWALKS AND THINGS, WHICH I MEAN, IT'S NOT AN EITHER OR RIGHT.
THERE, THERE ARE NO GRADATIONS IN BETWEEN.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, THERE WOULD CERTAINLY FOR ANY PROJECT THERE WOULD BE A, A GRADATION.
UM, I THINK FURTHER ALONG I, WE HAVE A ORDER OF MAGNITUDE COSTS THAT GIVES US WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR KIND OF ORDER OF MAGNITUDE FOR A NOMINAL, UH, IMPROVEMENT.
THAT WOULD BE THE OPTION TWO, THE KIND OF THE LEAST AMOUNT THAT WE THINK THAT WE WOULD DO, AND A FULL IMPROVEMENT, UH, MEETING EXISTING CITY STANDARD.
AND THOSE ARE NOT SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT.
AND THERE COULD BE ANY COST IN BETWEEN, DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT, THE POLICY THAT'S, THAT'S IMPLEMENTED, THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IMPLEMENTED FOR PARTICULAR ROADS OR AREAS.
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MAYOR, IF I COULD MAYBE CLARIFY, I THINK JOHN'S PRESENTATION IS GONNA GET INTO THAT HERE IN A MINUTE, SO WE MIGHT WANNA LET HIM PROCEED INTO THAT AREA.SO, KLEIN ROAD, UH, KLEIN ROAD WAS ACCEPTED BY THE AVA PI COUNTY, UH, IN 1972, UH, THE CITY BEGAN MAINTAINING THE DIRT ROAD ON KLEIN ROAD DUE TO, UH, DRAINAGE CONCERNS, UH, DUE TO DEEP GRADES.
UM, AND AT SOME POINT THE CITY APPLIED A CHIP SEAL TREATMENT TO THE ROAD TO PREVENT THE STAFF FROM HAVING TO GO OUT AND CONTINUALLY REGRADING THE ROAD.
UM, BECAUSE OF THAT CHIP SEAL TREATMENT, THE CITY HASN'T HAD TO GO OUT TO DO MAINTENANCE ON THAT ROAD.
UM, BUT WE FULLY ANTICIPATE THAT IT'S, IT WILL FAIL AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
UH, AND WE WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS HOW AND WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT THAT POINT.
ON THIS ROAD SPECIFICALLY, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT I'VE TALKED WITH ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THIS ROAD SERVES AND THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN IMPROVEMENT OF THAT ROAD BASED ON THE PERCEPTION THAT IMPROVING THE ROAD WOULD INCREASE TRAFFIC.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT EVERYONE AGREES WITH THAT, BUT THAT PARTICULAR RESIDENT HAD EXPRESSED THAT TO ME.
SO HOW LONG IS THIS THIS? EXCUSE ME, MAYOR, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS ONE.
ANDY OR WHOEVER IS, I CAN'T REALLY SEE WHO'S PRESENTING WHAT, BUT, UM, I, ISN'T THERE A, UH, SOCIAL ACCESS TO A REGULAR TRAIL, A A NIGHT NAMED AND KNOWN TRAIL, BUT ISN'T THERE SOCIAL ACCESS THROUGH CLYDE ROAD ON THAT PORTION? THAT'S CORRECT.
ON THE FAR WEST END OF THE ROAD.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OPTIONS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER THAT POINT AND ABOUT PRESERVING ACT TRAIL ACCESS THERE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THAT IN THE PAST BECAME A SOMEWHAT CONTENTIOUS ISSUE WHEN THERE WAS A LAND TRANSFER THAT TOOK PLACE SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
AND, UH, I COMPLETELY AGREE, WE DON'T WANT TO FORGET ABOUT THAT.
SO WHAT WAS THE LAND TRA CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? SO THIS GOES BACK TO WHEN WE MADE THE IMPROVEMENTS ON SHELBY DRIVE.
WE HAD TRADED A PIECE OF LAND IN, UM, UH, IN, WITH THE SAME VALUE BASICALLY FROM SHELBY DRIVE AND A PIECE ON KLEIN ROAD.
SO THE CITY ACQUIRED A PIECE OF LAND ON KLEIN ROAD FOR THAT TRAIL ACCESS IN EXCHANGE FOR A PIECE OF LAND ON SHELBY DRIVE, WHICH WAS RELATED TO THE PROJECT THAT WE BUILT, UM, AT THAT TIME, IF I CAN ASK JOHN.
YEAH, SO YOU MENTIONED ON KLEIN ROAD, THIS CAME INTO THE CITY AS A DIRT ROAD.
WE DID SOMETHING ABOUT THAT BACK ON GOOD ROAD.
DID IT COME INTO THE CITY AS A PAVED ROAD? UM, I AM NOT SURE.
AND, AND ACTUALLY I'M NOT EITHER.
SINCE I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY.
I DON'T RECALL THAT EVER BEING ANYTHING OTHER THAN PAVED.
BUT, UM, THAT'S A PRETTY DISTINCT DETAIL THERE THAT I'M, AND THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE WAS ON GOODROW WAS, AND WE SEWERED IT AND PUT FRESH PAVEMENT ON THERE.
THEN IT CONFUSED A LOT OF HOME BUYERS AND RESIDENTS, SO LIKELY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW THIS, BUT THE SEWER IMPROVEMENTS WERE LIKELY MADE IN THE NINETIES.
SO AT THAT TIME IT COULD HAVE BEEN CONVERTED FROM GRAVEL OR DIRT TO PAVEMENT.
BUT THAT'S A DETAIL THAT I DON'T HAVE.
AND WE COULD PROBABLY RESEARCH THAT, UH, GOODROW CAME INTO THE CITY AS A PUBLIC ROAD WHEN WE INCORPORATED.
SO IT'S, IT, IT IS, I'LL LET YOU, SORRY, I'M STEPPING ON JOHN'S STEPS.
UM, THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY, IT HAS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, BUT THE ROAD WAS, IS CONSIDERED THE, THE MAINTENANCE OF THE ROAD IS NOT PUBLIC.
GOD KNOWS WHY THE CITY, WHY THE COUNTY LET IT GET BUILT, BUT IT WAS A PUBLIC ROAD.
UH, YOU KNOW, LARGELY THE REASON THAT THESE ROADS GET GOT BUILT WAS DUE TO THE, FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAND SURROUNDING THAT ROAD, THE ROADS, THE LAND ITSELF, IN ORDER TO SPLIT THOSE LOTS NEEDED ACCESS.
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AND WE HAD, UM, UH, WILDCAT BASICALLY DEVELOPMENT OF JUST UNDER BEING A TRUE SUBDIVISION.SO THAT WAS ALLOWED, UH, PREVIOUSLY, AND NOW WE'RE, UH, HOLDING THAT BAG, SO TO SPEAK.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES THAT DO THAT AND THEN PUT A EASEMENT IN.
BUT THIS WASN'T A PRIVATE ROAD.
THEY DEDICATED IT, THEY DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY AT THE TIME.
WHAT ABOUT KLEIN? SAME QUESTIONS, SAME WAY.
SO THIS, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN HERE IS THE ROAD DEDICATION FOR KLEIN AND HAS IN THERE AND YEAH, YEAH, I'LL READ THE ROAD DEDICATED ON THIS PLAT WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED FOR MAINTENANCE BY YAVAPAI COUNTY UNTIL IT'S BROUGHT TO MINIMUM COUNTY STANDARDS.
AND THE, I I CAN'T TELL YOU THE THINKING BEHIND THAT.
IN THE SIXTIES, SEVENTIES, OR FIFTIES, WHEN, WHEN WE WERE DEALING WITH THAT, A LOT OF TIMES WHAT HAPPENED WAS WHEN THESE ROADS WERE BUILT, IT WAS FOR ONLY A FEW PARCELS, MAYBE ONE OR TWO EVEN.
AND THEN OVER TIME, THESE SPLITS OCCURRED OUTSIDE OF THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS.
SO YOU ENDED UP WITH THAT ROAD SERVING MANY MORE PARCELS.
SO IT WAS ALLOWED TO CIRCUMVENT THAT SUBDIVISION PROCESS ESSENTIALLY.
UH, ONE PIECE ON KLEIN ROAD THAT I HAVEN'T MENTIONED IS KLEIN ROAD ITSELF IS AROUND 1500 FEET IN LENGTH.
IT HAS A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY AVERAGE.
UH, THE ROADWAY WIDTH ON THAT ROAD IS, UH, ABOUT 14 FEET WIDE OF, AND I WANT TO REALLY AIR QUOTE ROADWAY.
MAY I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION ON SOMETHING? YEP.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE.
UM, WHEN GOOD ROAD AND KLEIN WERE DEDICATED, THAT MEANS THAT WE, THE CITY NOW WITH YOU DEDICATED THE COUNTY, WE TOOK IT OVER, BUT WE ARE THE OWNERS OF THE VISA LAND.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
SO I'M LOOKING AT A, AT GOOGLE MAPS RIGHT NOW, AND I'M SEEING AN UNNAMED TRAIL GOING OFF OF KLEIN ROAD THAT SEEMS TO END AT SUGARLOAF LOOP.
UM, IS THERE AN ACTUAL TRAILHEAD WITH PARKING? NO, THERE IS.
WHAT IS IT THAT THE CITY OWNS THERE THEN? JUST LITERALLY AN, AN ACCESS EASEMENT.
THE ONLY SPACE THERE DOESN'T EVEN SERVE ENOUGH TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE EMERGENCY ACCESS AND PARKING.
WHEN, WHEN ONE GOES UP FROM KLEIN ROAD ON THE SOCIAL TRAIL TO ACCESS THE SUGAR LOBE TRAIL, THERE IS, THERE ARE TRAIL MARKINGS AS YOU GET UP THERE.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE TRAIL MARKINGS LEAVING YOU THERE, RIGHT? THERE ARE, IT IS THE KLEIN TRAIL.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT'S NAMED.
UH, UH, THAT'S HOW IT'S NAMED ON THE MARKINGS.
NO, IT'S AN ACTUAL, IT'S A FORMAL TRAIL.
IT'S A FORMAL TRAIL THAT WE HAVE AN ACCESS EASEMENT THAT'S BEEN DEDICATED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON KLEIN ROAD? ALL RIGHT, MOVING FORWARD.
GETTING INTO GRASSHOPPER LANE GETS TO, I THINK, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CA UH, KATHY, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT BEING A RIGHT OF WAY FEE SIMPLE, UH, LAND, UH, GRASSHOPPER LANE IS UNIQUE COMPARED TO THE OTHER ROADS.
THERE IS A PUBLIC ROADWAY EASEMENT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1958 UNDER YAVAPAI COUNTY, THE SURROUNDING AREA.
AND WHEN THAT WAS DONE, THAT SERVED, I THINK EITHER TWO OR THREE PROPERTIES.
AND IT HAS BEEN SUBDIVIDED SINCE.
IT NOW SERVES APPROXIMATELY 25, UH, PARCELS, UH, THAT DEVELOPED OVER TIME IN, UH, OUTSIDE OF, AGAIN, THE FORMAL SUBDIVISION PROCESS.
AS A RESULT, THE ROADWAY FUNCTIONED FOR MANY YEARS IS AN UNPAVED ACCESS ROAD, SERVING NEARBY PROPERTIES.
IN THE MID TWO THOUSANDS, RESIDENTS CIRCULATED A PETITION REQUESTING THE CITY TO PAVE THE ROADWAY DUE TO DUST AND POTHOLE CONCERNS.
UH, I THINK WE GOT 77% OF THE RESIDENTS ON, UH, GRASSHOPPER,
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UH, VOTED FOR IT.UH, AND SO THE CITY DID THEN, UH, PAVE THE ROADWAY AND ENDED UP WITH CLOSE TO A, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A 20 FOOT EASEMENT, PUBLIC EASEMENT.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, PUT IN ABOUT A 15 FOOT WIDE, UH, ROADWAY THERE.
UH, SUBSEQUENTLY, UM, WE ENDED UP, CAN I YES.
SO THAT THE PAVEMENT WIDTH IS 15 FEET PLUS SHOULDERS, MAXIMIZES THAT OUT TO THE FULL WIDTH OF THE EASEMENT.
SO WE HAVE A, A CLEAR 20 FOOT, YOU KNOW, ROADWAY.
AND THAT'S INCLUDING THE TRAVEL WAY OR THE PAVEMENT AND THE SHOULDERS.
THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE PER CODE, UH, ADEQUATE EMERGENCY ACCESS NEEDS TO BE 20 FEET IN WIDTH.
AND WHEN WE PAVED THIS, DID WE CHARGE THE RESIDENTS? WE DID NOT CHARGE THE RESIDENCE FOR THE PAVEMENT, UH, IN, AS AS I UNDERSTAND IT ANYMORE RIGHT NOW, THE, ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES WITH GRASSHOPPER, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JOHN, BUT THIS DID NOT HAVE A DEDICATION WITH THAT STIPULATION.
LIKE, GOOD ROW KLEIN, THAT SAID THE CITY WOULDN'T MAINTAIN IT UNTIL IT WAS BROUGHT UP TO STANDARD.
SO IT, IT IS A BIT UNIQUE IN THAT WAY.
WHY WAS THAT? OH BOY, I, THAT ONE IS A MYSTERY TO ME.
UM, GOING BACK TO THOSE 1958 DOCUMENTS, IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR.
IT, I THINK THAT HOW THAT HAPPENED, THINK THERE WAS, I, I IMAGINE THAT THERE WAS A REALIZATION THAT TAKING THESE ROADS, UH, AND TAKING THE MAINTENANCE OF THEM BECAME BURDENSOME TO THE COUNTY.
AND IT, IT EVENTUALLY THEY DECIDED THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE NOTE ON THE PLATS OR DEDICATIONS, THAT IF YOU DON'T MEET STANDARD, WE WON'T MAINTAIN IT.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT AT SOME POINT THEY DID THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE TRUE, BUT IT WAS A GOVERNANCE CALL, WANNA GO TO THE NEXT LET'S HEAVILY DEVELOPED AREA.
NOW THAT'S WHAT'S THE SLIDE IS FOR.
AND I THINK ANOTHER PIECE TO THIS, WE HAVE GRASSHOPPER THAT RUNS FROM, WHAT IS THAT? UM, IS IT COFFEE POT? MM-HMM
COFFEE POT NORTH TOWARDS SANDBURN.
THERE IS A, UH, PARCEL THAT SPLITS THE END OF GRASSHOPPER HAS A DRAINAGE AND EMERGENCY ACCESS EASEMENT ONLY.
AND THERE, IF YOU GO TO GOOGLE MAPS, YOU'LL SEE THE GATE WITH THE, UH, UH, WARNING, UM, INDICATORS ON IT.
UH, BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD NATURALLY TRAVEL INTO WHAT IS LITTLE ELF WAY.
LITTLE ELF WAY WAS DEDICATED, UH, AS, AS PART OF A PLAT IN, I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK BACK DOWN AT MY NOTES 'CAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL OF THIS, UM, IN 1956 AS PART OF THE COFFEE POT SUBDIVISION, BUT LITTLE OF WAY WAS NEVER ITSELF IMPROVED.
SO YOU HAVE GRASSHOPPER, UH, LANE THAT IS A CONSIDERED A, A PUBLIC ROAD, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON A 20 FOOT EASEMENT, WHICH MEANS THAT WE'RE TRAVELING ON, ON A PUBLIC WAY, ON PRIVATE PROPERTY TO SOMEONE'S, YOU WOULD, YOU GO TO SOMEONE'S PROPERTY WHERE YOU'RE STOPPED BY A GATE AND HAS A, A DRAINAGE EASEMENT, AN EMERGENCY ACCESS EASEMENT.
SO NO PUBLIC EASEMENT TO PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, BUT UNIMPROVED.
AND SO IT'S A, IT'S A COMPLICATED IT ISSUE.
THE OVERALL LENGTH OF WORK, UH, ON GRASSHOPPER AND LITTLE OFF WAY IS AROUND 300 LINEAR FEET OF ROADWAY.
WE HAVE VARYING, UH, EASEMENT, YOU KNOW, 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, 20 FOOT EASEMENT, AND A FAIRLY NARROW ROAD AS WELL.
IT'S A 15 FOOT ROADWAY WIDTH WITH SHOULDERS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE GRASSHOPPER LANE THAT MOVES US TO ASPEN ROAD? ASPEN ROAD IS, UH, ABOUT 140 FOOT LONG UNPAVED ALLEY, UH, THAT APPEARS TO HAVE ABOUT, UH, 20 FOOT OF, RIGHT OF WAY.
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IT, IT HAS VALUE, UM, POTENTIALLY, UH, FOR, UH, TO, TO PAVE TO PROVIDE POTENTIALLY STOR UH, PARKING STORAGE, UH, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.BUT THE CONCERN THAT ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS TO ENSURE THAT WE IN FACT HAVE THAT RIGHT OF WAY, UH, AS WE GET INTO OTHER AREAS WE'VE FOUND THAT WE DON'T.
UM, SO JUST VERIFYING THAT RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN FIGURING OUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO, UH, WITH THAT FACILITY.
OWNERSHIP OF THAT IS, IT APPEARS THAT IT'S, IT'S WE OUR RIGHT OF WAY AND WE HAVE 20 FEET OF IT BETWEEN A A, A LEASED PARKING LOT AND THE BUSINESSES TO THE NORTH.
CLARIFY IT TO COUNSELOR BERMAN'S QUESTION, WHO IS THE OWNER OF THE ROAD? IT, OF THE, IT, IT, IT APPEARS THAT IT IS, UH, CITY OF SEDONA.
UM, BUT I HAVE NOT FOUND A, A PLAT OR A ROAD DEDICATION OR OTHER DOCUMENT THAT CONFIRMS, CONFIRMS THAT.
AND I, I MEAN, CERTAINLY IF WE DEVELOP A PROJECT OR CONTINUOUS, THAT'LL BE A MA A MAJOR PART OF THAT AS TO ENSURE THAT IT IS IN FACT OUR OWNERSHIP.
IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHO THE BUSINESS OWNERS THINK OWNED THAT LAND.
IT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE THERE IS A UTILIZATION, THERE'S PARKING OCCURRING THERE, AND SO THEY PROBABLY THINK THEY OWN IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ASPEN ROAD? MOVING ON TO, UH, IN OUR, THE AGENDA BILL, UM, UNNAMED ROAD NEAR 365 ANTE IS ACTUALLY SERENADE, UH, THE REASON IT IS UNNAMED IN OUR GIS IS THERE IS NOT AN ADDRESSED, UH, PROPERTY TO THAT ROAD.
AND SO UNTIL A REAL PROPERTY GETS ADDRESSED TO IT, IT WILL REMAIN UNNAMED IN GIS.
HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE, UM, A PLAT, UH, A DEDICATION IN THE HARMONY HILLS, UM, SUBDIVISION FROM 1969, UM, THAT, THAT DEDICATED, UH, THAT, THAT ROAD AND ALL THE, ALL THE ROADS IN THERE.
AGAIN, WE HAVE THE TEXT AND THE DEDICATION THAT STREETS DEDICATED ON THE SUBDIVISION WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED FOR COUNTY MAINTENANCE UNTIL THEY'RE CONSTRUCTED TO COUNTY MINIMUM STANDARDS.
THIS, UH, ROAD SERENADE IS APPROXIMATELY 120 FEET LONG, HAS ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT 12 FEET WIDE.
THERE IS 50 FOOT OF RIGHT OF WAY ON IT.
IT DOES CROSS A WASH WITH A BOX CULVERT, UM, SOME DRAINAGE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, BUT IT DEAD ENDS THERE TO, UH, PRIVATE PROPERTY WITH, UM, AT THIS POINT TO AT LEAST TO STAFF UNKNOWN ACCESS EASEMENTS FROM THREE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES TO THE, WHAT I'LL CALL THE SOUTH OF ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT CAN ACCESS THROUGH SAN OR THROUGH SERENADE, SORRY, UH, THAT ARE ALL, UH, ADDRESSED TO PINON J WAY, WHICH IS A, A NORTH SOUTH RUNNING STREET.
IS THIS JUST A PAPER ROAD AT THIS POINT? IS THERE, THERE IS, UH, IT IS A DIRT ROAD.
AND CURRENTLY, UM, WE HAVE THE ANTE SEP PROJECT, UM, THAT CROSSES THE ROAD IN THE PROJECT WE'VE TREAT ARE TREATING THAT ROAD, UM, AS IT'S A, AS IF IT'S A DRIVEWAY CURRENTLY.
UH, AND THE REASON WE'RE DOING THAT IS IF WE PUT IN A STANDARD, UM, PAVED ROAD, PARDON ME, UH, KIND OF TURNOUT, UM, WE'D END UP DIVERTING, UH, DRAINAGE INTO THAT UNPAVED ROAD AND THEN WOULD, YOU KNOW, CAUSE SOME SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS TO, UH, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
SO BESIDES US AND THAT PROJECT, DO WE HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHO USES IT OR HOW MANY PEOPLE, THE REST OF THE ROADS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SO FAR ACTUALLY GET SERVED AND PEOPLE ARE USING THEM AND WHATEVER.
THAT IS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION, SIR.
UM, IT, IT APPEARS THAT THERE, THERE IS ACCESS AGAIN TO THOSE, TO THE, ALL OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADDRESSED ON PINON J WAY.
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DRIVEWAY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, THAT VIRTUALLY CONNECTS INTO THERE.I DON'T KNOW WHAT ACCESS EASEMENTS ARE THROUGH ANY OF THOSE PROPERTIES, AND I DON'T HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW MUCH THAT ROADWAY IS USED.
WHAT, WHAT'S INTERESTING HERE IS IF NOTHING ELSE, THIS CONNECTION PROVIDES A EMERGENCY OR EVACUATION OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT AREA THAT IT SERVES, WHETHER THEY USE IT AS A PRIMARY ACCESS OR NOT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE SERENADE? AN UNNAMED ROAD NEAR 365 ON DANTE UNNAMED ROAD NEAR 1 0 5 SCH NIBLEY HILL, UH, ROAD IS, UM, SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THIS LIST AS OF TODAY.
UM, OUR GIS PARCEL INFORMATION HAS CHANGED.
UM, THE ACCESS THAT WAS SHOWN, IT CAME FROM COCONINO COUNTY GIS WAS TRANSFERRED INTO, UH, CITY OF SEDONA, GIS OUR, UH, SURVEYOR OR CITY SURVEYOR REVIEWED THE DOCUMENTS, UM, TITLE DOCUMENTS, ET CETERA, AND FOUND THAT WHAT IS WAS SHOWN WAS A 20 FOOT INGRESS, EGRESS EASEMENT FOR THOSE PARCELS.
SO HERE IS A GREAT EXAMPLE, GREAT EXAMPLE OF WE, WE HAVE FOUND AN ERROR IN OUR SYSTEM.
AND SO I THINK WE, THIS WAS 200 TO 300 FOOT LONG YEAH.
ACCESS EASEMENT IS BEING RE, RE REMOVED FROM OUR SYSTEM OF ROADS THAT WE STILL DON'T, THAT WE DON'T MAINTAIN.
JOHN, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT IT DID SERVE FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS.
IT'S AN INGRESS, EGRESS EASEMENT FOR THOSE PROPERTIES.
AND IS SOMEBODY GOING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION FROM THE PERSON IN THE PUBLIC THAT EMAILED ALL OF US YESTERDAY ASKING ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR, DID ONLY COUNSEL GET IT? I, I, I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOU OFFLINE.
IF WE GET A COPY OF IT, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO.
UH, MOVING ON TO UNNAMED ROAD AT 10 15 SOLDIER PASS ROAD.
UM, THIS, UH, ROAD IS REALLY, UH, TWO DRIVEWAYS, SEPARATE DRIVEWAYS INSIDE OF WHAT APPEARS TO BE 20 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY.
OR AGAIN, THIS IS AS WE HAVE IT MAPPED IN OUR GIS AND, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, STAFF FEEL FIRST FOREMOST THAT THIS RIGHT OF WAY SHOULD BE, YOU WANT ME TO SEND CONFIRMED BEFORE ANY WORK WOULD BE DONE ON IT, BUT HERE WE HAVE WHAT APPEARS TO BE INGRESS EGRESS FOR FOUR PROPERTIES.
AND YEAH, I THINK WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS IS TYPICALLY FOR A, A ROAD TO BECOME PUBLIC, IT REQUIRES THAT A MINIMUM, MINIMUM OF FIVE PARCELS BE SERVED BY THAT ACCESS.
SO IF, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT OTHER AREAS OF OUR CODE, IT KIND OF INSINUATES WHAT MIGHT APPLY HERE YEAH.
ANDY, I FORWARDED THAT EMAIL TO YOU.
SO DID I
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THE, UH, VERY CLEAR, UH, TYPO FOR GOODROW THAT FOR OPTION TWO, THE MINIMUM COST IS NOT $500
IT IS, UH, $500,000 IS OUR, IS OUR ESTIMATED COST THERE.
UM, AGAIN, THESE, THESE FOR OPTION TWO COST.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO IMPROVE THIS TO THE VERY, UH, A VERY MINIMUM STANDARD.
UH, AND WORKING INSIDE OF EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY TO, TO
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THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES, NOT LOOKING AT RELOCATING UTILITIES OR AVOIDING TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE, RELOCATING UTILITIES.UM, AND THOSE COSTS ARE, ARE STILL, IN MY MIND, NOT INSIGNIFICANT FOR MINIMUM IMPROVEMENTS TO THESE ROADS.
UM, FOR OPTION ONE THAT'S MODIFYING THOSE ROADS TO FULL CITY STANDARD WITH, AGAIN, 12 FOOT LANES, CURB GUTTER SIDEWALKS, UM, AND THOSE, THOSE COSTS ARE SIG ARE SIGNIFICANT FOR THOSE ROADS.
SO CAN, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT OPTION TWO WOULD LOOK LIKE? SO FOR INSTANCE, UH, OPTION TWO FOR, UH, GOOD ROW FOR FOR GOOD ROW.
UH, THE WAY THAT I, I DEVELOPED THESE COSTS USING OUR JLC PAVEMENT PRESERVATION, UH, PRICING, UH, USING THE WIDTH OF THAT OF EXISTING ROADS, OR ASSUMING THAT WE COULD GET A 15, LIKE A 15 FOOT WIDE ROADWAY, UH, IN THEIR FULLY DEVELOPED, UH, THROUGH WITH A FULL STRUCTURAL SECTION, JOHN, WITH, WITH SHOULDERS, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO A, A 15 FOOT PAVED ROADWAY WITH SOFT, SO DIRT SHOULDERS, UM, TO ALLOW FOR DRAINAGE, BUT IMPACTING OUR DRAIN, THE DRAINAGE THAT'S IN THE, THAT AREA FAIRLY NOMINALLY, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THE COST WOULD BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN $500,001.5 MILLION.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE, UH, AS, AS MUCH EXPERIENCE AS I HAVE WITH COST ESTIMATING THAT WE NEED A LOT MORE INFORMATION TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH UTILITIES WOULD NEED TO BE RELOCATED.
THERE ARE CONCERNS LIKE, UH, WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER.
WE HAVE, WE KNOW WE HAVE ONE FIRE HYDRANT, WOULD WE NEED TO ADD IN A SECOND OR THIRD FIRE HYDRANT? AND THOSE COSTS WOULD START INCREASING FAIRLY RAPIDLY.
MAY I ASK JOHN A COUPLE QUESTIONS? MM-HMM
ONE IS, IF I RECALL, WE SAID GRASSHOPPER WAS NOT OWNED BY THE CITY.
THERE WAS A, SO THE PROPERTY IS NOT OWNED BY THE CITY.
RIGHT? BUT THE EASEMENT IS THE REST OF ASPEN KLEIN GOODROW ARE PROPERTIES OWNED BY THE CITY.
SO I'M CURIOUS WHY YOU STUCK GRASSHOPPER IN THE SAME CATEGORY OF OPTIONS.
BECAUSE THERE, IT, THE ANTICIPATION, THE WAY THAT I SAW SAW THIS, WE, WE HAVE A A, A ROAD AND TO DEVELOP THAT ROAD TO PROVIDE ACCESS FROM COFFEE POT THROUGH TO SANBORN WOULD, WOULD BE, WE WOULD HAVE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE.
WE NEED TO MAKE, COULD I PUT A LITTLE DIFFERENT ANGLE ON THAT? IS THE OTHER WAY I WAS LOOKING AT THIS IS IF WE WANTED TO BRING ALL THESE STREETS UP TO CODE, WHICH IS AN OPTION, THEN YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THEM.
IF YOU SIMPLY JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO A LEVEL OF WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER SAFE, WHICH WOULD BE MEETING, UM, EMERGENCY ACCESS REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEN YOU'RE CORRECT THAT THAT PARTICULAR ROAD WOULD FALL OFF OF THAT LIST.
WE HAVE OTHER ROADS IN THE CITY THAT ARE PRIVATELY OWNED.
SOME OF THEM MAY CONNECT FROM ONE STREET TO ANOTHER.
I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT RIGHT.
SO I I JUST, IT TO ME, GRASSHOPPER LOOKS ODD SITTING IN THE GROUP WITH THESE OTHER PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTY STREETS.
IT, SO WHAT I WOULD, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE MINIMUM COST FOR GRASSHOPPER IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND TO 250,000, WHICH IS SIGNIF IS PRETTY, IS FAIRLY SMALL.
BECAUSE BASICALLY WHAT THAT IS DOING IS IT'S NOT SO MUCH GRASSHOPPER THAT WE'RE IMPROVING IT'S LITTLE ELF WAY AND GETTING EASEMENT FROM LITTLE ELF WAY THROUGH THE PRIVATE, THROUGH THE PARCEL.
AND CONNECTING THAT TO DO THAT CONNECTION THERE, WHICH I THINK HAS SOME MERIT, WOULD, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THE COST BETWEEN A 102 HUNDRED 50,000.
SO THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, SO THAT'S WHERE THAT WOULD COME FROM.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS REALLY CALLS FROM SOME SPECULATION HERE, BUT MM-HMM
DO WE HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHAT THE STANDARDS WERE BACK EITHER WHEN THE CITY WAS INCORPORATED OR WHEN THE COUNTY ISSUED THOSE NOTES SAYING THAT IT'S NOT TO OUR STANDARD, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAINTAIN IT.
HOW FAR OFF WERE THEY? UH, AND AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT OPTION TWO, DOES, YOU KNOW, IS THAT THE KIND OF STANDARD, ARE WE GONNA HOLD THEM TO A STANDARD THAT WOULD'VE EXISTED AT THE TIME THEY WERE BUILT OR WHEN THE CITY WAS INCORPORATED? WHAT, WHAT WE'VE BEEN THINKING, AND WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN TO FEEDBACK ON THIS, IS THAT OPTION TWO WOULD BE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE SITE DISTANCE, WIDTHS AND MAYBE EVEN
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THE VERTICAL CURVE, YOU KNOW, GEOMETRY OF, OF A STREET AND FINDING THE SAFETY ISSUES AND ADDRESSING THOSE.AND THAT BEING THE PRIMARY FOCUS.
WHAT, WHAT WAS OUR STANDARD BACK IN THE 80 WHEN WE WERE INCORPORATED? WOULD IT BEEN CLOSER TO THAT OR CLOSER TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE? I CAN JUST SAY WITHOUT KNOWING THE ACTUAL STANDARD THAT TYPICALLY A STREET WIDTH IS CLOSER TO PER LANE 12 FEET.
SO EVEN GOING DOWN TO A 20 FOOT WIDTH FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS IS LESS THAN WHAT YOUR STANDARD TYPICALLY IS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO WE MOVE INTO COMMENTS.
DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS? YEAH, I COMMENTS.
MAYOR, WE DO MAYOR, I JUST WANT, WANT TO ADD FOR EVERYBODY AS WELL.
SO THE O OPTION TWO THAT HASN'T BEEN TALKED ABOUT IS THE VEGETATION.
AND SO WHEN WE BRING THAT UP, WE'RE GONNA MINIMALLY CUT BACK TWO FEET FROM THAT SHOULDER WHERE WE CAN, AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, 14 FEET TALL.
SO A LOT, EVEN IF WE DO ANYTHING, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOSE TREES AND VEGETATION, WHICH THEY'VE COME ACCUSTOMED TO.
SO IT'S GONNA BE CONTROVERSIAL FOR ANYTHING THAT WE DO FOR SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT SAFETY, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING IN REMOVING VEGETATION IS A BIG PART OF THAT, BUT IT'S VERY, UH, DIFFICULT FOR US TO TRY TO PORTRAY THAT WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING MAINTENANCE ON ROADS THAT WE RUN.
AND WE DO IT QUITE FREQUENTLY.
SO IF WE DO IT HERE WHERE IT'S BEEN OVERGROWN AND NOT MAINTAINED, WE'RE GONNA BE CUTTING IT A LOT BACK.
SO I CAUTIONED WHEN WE HAD INQUIRIES LIKE, SOME OF YOU'RE GONNA WELCOME THIS, SOME OF YOU ARE NOT, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA LOSE A LOT OF THAT VEGETATION ALONG THERE.
SO I THINK OUR LAST SLIDE IS THIS PRIVATE ROAD.
SO WE HAVE, UM, THIS, THIS IS, UH, SCENARIO TWO, UM, WORKING, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT OUR, THE PRIVATE ROADS.
AND I KNOW THIS WASN'T EXACTLY, UH, REQUESTED, BUT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO AT LEAST BROACH.
WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 40 MILES OF PRIVATE ROAD IN SEDONA.
I THINK THERE WAS A TYPO IN THE AGENDA BILL THAT SAID IT WAS, UH, FIVE.
AT ANY RATE, UH, WE HAVE ABOUT, WE, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE 40 MILES OF PRIVATE ROADS IN SEDONA.
WE OCCASIONALLY HEAR FROM HOMEOWNERS, UH, ASKING ABOUT WHAT THE PROCESS TO, UH, UH, GET THE ROAD PRI THEIR PRIVATE ROADS ADOPTED INTO, UH, CITY MAINTENANCE.
UH, WHEN WE DISCUSS, UH, THE CODE REQUIREMENTS OF, UH, SEDONA CITY CODE, SORRY, UH, 12 5 1 30, UM, THE, IT'S, IT'S DROPPED AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S TYPICALLY EFFECTIVELY REQUIRES THE HOMEOWNERS TO VOTE, HAVE 75% SAYING THAT THEY AGREE THEM PROVIDE, ENSURING THAT WE HAVE THE MINIMUM RIGHT OF WAY AND BRINGING THOSE ROADS UP TO THE CITY STANDARD.
SO WE'RE INTO THE COMMENT STAGE.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS PRACTICALLY ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION
WELL, IT, IT TOOK A TEAM, I'M SURE.
UM, IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE ON ANY OF THESE AND GIVEN WHAT THE COSTS ARE GONNA BE, UH, THEY WOULD BE COMING BACK BEFORE COUNCIL ANYWAY, SOUNDS LIKE.
UM, I WOULD REALLY LOVE A FIELD TRIP TO ACTUALLY, IF WE'RE AN OR CONSIDERING ANY OF THESE, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM NEXT TO AN ENGINEER EXPLAINING WHAT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS ARE FOR EACH, EACH ONE.
IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR ME.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE FEELS THAT NEED.
UM, I KNEW OF THE EXISTENCE OF THESE FOR, SINCE WE WERE DOING CITIZEN BUDGET, UM, MEETINGS 10 OVER 10 YEARS AGO.
AND IT JUST PIQUED MY INTEREST THEN OF HOW WE COULD HAVE 40 TO 50 YEARS AFTER INCORPORATION ROSE THAT WE WERE JUST NOT DEALING WITH.
YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO OWN, YOU OWN THEM, BUT YOU GOTTA OWN THEM.
AND I THINK THE TIME HAS COME, IN MY OPINION, TO, UM, OWN THEM.
AND AT SOME LEVEL, AND I CAN, IT, IT'S VERY CONFUSING TO ME BECAUSE EACH ONE IS ITS OWN CASE AND EACH ONE MIGHT WARRANT A DIFFERENT APPROACH.
BUT I, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US HAVE A PLAN FOR THEM.
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UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A POLICY FOR 1.1 MILES OFAND, AND YOU DO HAVE A POLICY ON THAT.
UM, BUT TO ME, SAFETY, UH, ADEQUATE FIRE HYDRANTS, UM, WIDTH, IF IT CAN BE EXTENDED DRAINAGE ISSUES, THOSE ARE ALL BASIC, UM, AMENITIES WHICH, UH, I BELIEVE A CITY SHOULD PROVIDE.
AND I JUST THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, DO IT
WOULD WE BE VIOLATING ANY EXISTING CODE OR WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE CODE? UM, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THE CODE'S SILENT ON THESE ROADS THAT ARE, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY IS OWNED BY THE CITY, BUT UH, THE ROAD WAY ITSELF IS NOT AS PRIVATELY MAINTAINED.
UM, AND I, I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR HOSSEIN.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED A POLICY ON THESE THREE, JUST, UM, BECAUSE THEY CAN EITHER BE BROUGHT UP TO STANDARD OR NOT, BUT I MEAN, A POLICY COULD BE CREATED AS WELL.
YEAH, I AGREE LARGELY WITH COUNCILOR HUSSEI HERE, BUT CERTAINLY MY INTEREST, UH, IS REALLY, UM, PRIORITIZED IN THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY ROADS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THE COUNTY LET THESE THINGS DEVELOP THE WAY THEY DID AND IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.
AND ESSENTIALLY WE BOUGHT IT WHEN WE INCORPORATED, AND I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE SOME OWNERSHIP OF THOSE STREETS AND OPTION TWO OF THOSE SEEMS TO BE THE RIGHT APPROACH IN MY OPINION.
WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER STREETS IN THE CITY THAT DON'T MEET THE CURRENT STANDARD AS WELL.
UH, WE SHOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, FOCUS ON SAFETY AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET THESE, UH, CITY OWNED STREETS INTO, UH, A SAFE CONDITION ANYHOW.
UM, GRASSHOPPER, I SCRATCH MY HEAD AT IT SERVES A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT IT'S NOT CITY OWNED.
THE SMALLER ONES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SEEMS TO ME THAT THOSE ARE ONES THAT WE SELL BACK TO PROPERTY OWNERS, THOSE ARE DRIVEWAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY REALLY SHOULDN'T BE PUBLIC AND MANY OF 'EM AREN'T.
SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
BUT I THINK ABOUT THESE THAT ARE CITY OWNED.
UH, AND IN TERMS OF THE PRIVATE ROADS, I DON'T, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN CHANGING OUR POLICY AT ALL.
AND ABOUT ON THE PRIVATE ROADS.
I THINK THAT, UH, ANYONE THAT BUILT A PRIVATE ROAD KNEW IT WAS A PRIVATE ROAD, WANTS TO DEDICATED TO THE CITY NOW NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED.
I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO TOUCH THE PRIVATE ROADS.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO HOLD A PLAT NOTE ON A 50-YEAR-OLD PLAT AGAINST SOMEONE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING WITH THIS UNTIL YOU BRING IT UP STANDARD.
I DO THINK WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT OPTION TWO, UH, WITH AN EMPHASIS ON GOODROW AND WHAT WAS IT? THERE'S ONE OTHER THAT HAS A LOT OF HOUSES FRONTING ON IT, KLEIN.
UM, I THINK WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THOSE SOON.
I DON'T WANT TO FIND OUT AFTER SOMEBODY'S HOUSE BURNS DOWN THAT THEY CAN'T GET A FIRE TRUCK UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD.
UM, SOME PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA BE HAPPY WITH VEGETATION BEING REMOVED, BUT I'M NOT INTERESTED IN ENDANGERING A NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON CAN KEEP THEIR SHRUBBERY.
UM, I JUST, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO BRING THEM ALL UP TO SPEC, BUT AT A MINIMUM PEOPLE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO BE SAFE.
SO YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT OPTION TWO.
UH, THE ONES THAT ONLY SERVE ONE OR TWO LOTS, I WOULD PUT THOSE NOT ON THE BACK BURNER, BUT OBVIOUSLY LOWER ON THE LIST.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE THE OTHERS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO KEEP OUR RESIDENTS SAFE.
KATHY, YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I DO, YES.
UM, I ALSO, I DON'T KNOW HOW SOME OF THESE, HOW WE GOT 'EM IS ONE QUESTION, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE OURS AND I BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE OWN, UH, WE NEED TO MAINTAIN AND BRING THEM SAFE.
I'M NOT, UH, I WOULD PRIORITIZE THEM.
I DO NOTHING YOU SHOULD GET INVOLVED AT THIS TIME ANYWAY.
UM, UH, WHERE PRIVATE OWNERSHIP IS INVOLVED OF THE VISA LAND UNDER, BUT IT'S BEEN DEDICATED OVER AND IT'S OUR OWNERSHIP.
I DO BELIEVE THAT THOSE, THOSE NEED TO BE BROUGHT UP TO THE
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SAFE STANDARDS.AND WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, I THINK THAT LOOKS LIKE OPTION.
WELL, I CAN'T TELL IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED.
UM, BUT THE OPTION I THINK IS EVEN A LATER DISCUSSION.
I'D LIKE TO PROCEED WITH HAVING MORE INFORMATION ON THESE FOR ANOTHER PRESENTATION.
I THINK WE'RE LATE IN THE YEAR TO BE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT POTENTIALLY DOING THESE.
I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE DIRECT STAFF TO BE LOOKING INTO THROUGH FY 27 TO BE SCHEDULED AS DECISION PACKETS FOR WHAT TO DO OR NOT TO DO IN FY 28.
BECAUSE I THINK WE, THAT SHOULD, HAS ALREADY SORT OF SAILED OR IT WOULD BE ADDING TOO MUCH ON TO ME DOING THAT FOR FY 27.
SO THAT'S, AGAIN, MY PRIORITY WOULD BE WHERE WE OWN THE ACTUAL ROAD LAND.
YOU HAVE ANY, CAUSE I THINK LIKE MY COLLEAGUES, THE PRIVATE ROADS, UH, THAT'S NO CHANGE IN POLICY THERE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
UM, I AM INTERESTED IN BETTER UNDERSTANDING THE SAFETY, UH, CIRCUMSTANCES FOR THE ROADS THAT HAVE BEEN DETAILED HERE.
HENCE ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A FIRE HYDRANT ACCESS CURRENTLY? UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE DO NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ABILITY FOR HOMEOWNERS TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN INSURANCE ON THEIR HOMES.
AND EVEN THE DISTANCE TO A FIRE HYDRANT AFFECTS, UH, YOUR INSURABILITY AND THE RATES FOR YOUR INSURANCE.
SO I THINK THERE'S MORE HOMEWORK TO DO THERE.
UM, I AM CHALLENGED BY WHO PAYS FOR IT BECAUSE I THINK ABOUT, AND, AND I BROUGHT THIS UP THE OTHER DAY AND I'M STILL NOT SURE I HAVE A A, A GOOD CLEAR PERSPECTIVE ON THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF YEARS BACK THE CITY EXTENDED THE SEWER SYSTEM AND, AND TOLD HOMEOWNERS, YOU KNOW, THOU SHALT ABANDON THY SEPTIC TANK AND GO ON TO SEWER AND YOU WILL PAY FOR IT AND YOU WILL LIKE IT, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'LL HAVE A COUPLE OF CHOICES FOR HOW TO DO THAT.
AND, UH, I REMEMBER RECEIVING THAT LETTER, UM, MANY YEARS BACK.
SO I THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES, HOW DOES THAT WORK AND HOW DO WE COMPARE THAT WITH SOMETHING LIKE GOODROW WHERE OKAY, PEOPLE BOUGHT THEIR PROPERTY KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD.
UM, AND I WOULD ACTUALLY BE INTERESTED IN A REALTOR'S PERSPECTIVE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DOES IT ACTUALLY MATTER IN SEDONA WHETHER YOUR ROAD IS SUBSTANDARD OR NOT, OR BECAUSE IT'S JUST SEDONA, IT'S JUST GONNA BE WORTH A LOT NO MATTER WHAT.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE BEMOANED THAT WE IMPROVED THE VALUE OF THE LOT THAT THE SHELBY, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEX IS GOING ON AND THEN TURNED AROUND AND PAID FOR THE LOT, YOU KNOW, FROM A PRIVATE OWNER AFTER WE IMPROVED IT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S THE FAIRNESS HERE? AND I DON'T HAVE A A SOLID UH, PERSPECTIVE ON THAT, BUT IT'D BE INTERESTING, AGAIN, JUST TO HEAR EVEN FROM SOME REALTORS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE CREATING MEANINGFUL VALUE FOR THESE HOMEOWNERS, WELL, SHOULD THEY PARTICIPATE IN PAYING FOR SOME OF THAT VALUE CREATION OR, OR IS THAT JUST TO BE, UH, AT THE CITY'S EXPENSE? I I REALLY AM NOT FIG, I HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHERE I STAND ON THAT YET.
I'D LOVE TO HEAR MORE, UH, INPUT ON THAT AS THIS, UH, TOPIC LIKELY MOVES FORWARD.
BUT CERTAINLY FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA LEAVE OUR RESIDENTS HIGH AND DRY, UM, AS TO WHETHER A FIRE TRUCK, AN AMBULANCE, MULTIPLES OF THOSE, WHATEVER, UH, THAT THEY CAN SAFELY ACCESS PROPERTY.
UM, I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE, I DON'T THINK MOST HOMEOWNERS ARE THINKING EMERGENCY ACCESS WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT A HOME, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THEIR VIEWS, THEY'RE LOOKING AT, OH, IT'S SEDONA, IT'S BEAUTIFUL, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT ALL THE TREES.
AND SO I, AND IF YOU TOLD AN APPRAISER, YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY HAS CRAPPY EMERGENCY ACCESS, I DOUBT THEY WOULD TAKE THAT REALLY INTO AN ACCOUNT.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE GAIN MUCH BY ASKING REALTORS ABOUT IT.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE CHARGING RESIDENTS TO BRING, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THEIR PROPERTY SAFE.
NOW IF SOMEBODY SAYS, WE WANT YOU TO, YOU KNOW, BRING US UP TO THE AUTO BOND STANDARD, THEN YEAH, THEY GOTTA PAY FOR THAT.
BUT I DO THINK THAT IN TERMS OF JUST BRINGING IT TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S SAFE, I THINK THAT'S A COST THE CITY NEEDS TO BEAR.
I DON'T THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO PUT THAT ON THE HOMEOWNERS.
I, I'D LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON, IN TERMS OF GOODROW IN PARTICULAR, THIS REALLY AROSE THIS CONVERSATION.
I AGREE WITH CHARLOTTE 10 YEARS AGO.
PLUS WE WERE SCRATCHING OUR HEADS AS TO WHY THE CITY WOULDN'T MAINTAIN ROADS THAT THEY OWNED.
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TODAY WE JUST APPROVED A DEVELOPMENT ON GOODROW.SO WE HAVE AN ACTUAL, UH, ISSUE WITH THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA PUT MORE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD AND THERE'S GONNA BE UP TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A HUNDRED PEOPLE LIVING THERE OR MORE, WHICH IS GONNA STRESS THOSE ROADS.
AND WE HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE PEOPLE WHO CAME BEFORE US.
UM, THE, THE GOODROW, FINKY AND BERG ROADS ARE ALL NORTH, NORTH, NORTH AND, AND PASSED THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO THERE WOULD BE, AND THERE'S NO EGRESS, WELL, THEY ASKED THOSE, THEY ASKED FOR EGRESS.
THERE'S NO WAY TO GET OUT GOING NORTH ON GOODROW FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT TO GET OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CURRENTLY.
EVEN MORE REASON THEY NEED, UH, GOOD FIRE SAFETY.
AND SO, SO I WOULD LIKE TO, TO PRIORITIZE GOODROW TO LOOK AT AS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND I WOULD, I WOULDN'T WANNA WAIT UNTIL FY 28 BECAUSE IT'LL BE BUILT BY THEN.
SO THE WHOLE SYSTEM, THE ROADWAY SYSTEM AROUND GOOD ROW, AND THIS PROJECT IS A VERY HIGH PRIORITY FOR ME, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THEY'VE LIVED IN A CERTAIN WAY FOR ALL THESE YEARS AND NOW WE'RE CHANGING THAT.
AND SO WE HAVE TO LOOK HOLISTICALLY AT WHAT THE IMPACT IS GONNA BE.
AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT CONTRACTORS ROAD AND MAYBE HAVING TO CUT THROUGH THAT.
SO CAN YOU EXPLORE ALL THE OPTIONS AROUND THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT AND THESE ROADS AND THEIR SAFETY ISSUES AND THE EGRESS INGRESS AND EGRESS AROUND THAT AND COME BACK TO US WITH THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT IN MIND.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WOULD LIKE A, LIKE A DESIGN CONCEPT REPORT FOR THE OPTIONS TO IMPROVE GOODROW FINKY SHIMBERG, SORRY, YOU'RE THROWING ENGINEERING TERMINOLOGY AT THEM
UM, I THINK WE'VE GOT, WE'VE RECEIVED ENOUGH DIRECTION TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN OVERALL VIEW OF THIS.
I TEND TO AGREE AFTER HAVING GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF RESEARCHING AND, AND LOOKING IN DETAIL AT WHAT WE HAVE, THAT THERE AREN'T ENOUGH STREETS HERE TO NECESSARILY REQUIRE FORMAL POLICY, WE, WE HELD ONTO THAT OPTION IN PART BECAUSE THERE, THERE LIKELY COULD BE ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WE DISCOVER IN OUR GIS SYSTEM MOVING FORWARD THAT WE'RE NOT, THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN CATCH THROUGH THIS RESEARCH JUST BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE, YOU FIND THAT QUITE, QUITE OFTEN.
UM, BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN GET INTO THE DETAIL OF WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS TO BRING THIS UP TO A SAFE STANDARD.
ONE THING THAT WE DIDN'T MENTION EARLIER IS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, FIRE CODE, TYPICALLY WITH ONCE A, A STREET IS BEYOND, IS IT 600 FEET OR WHATEVER THE LIMITATION IS, AN ADEQUATE TURNAROUND IS REQUIRED.
THIS ROAD DEFINITELY DOES NOT HAVE THAT.
NOW THERE ARE OPTIONS THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT COULD MAKE SENSE FOR SOME SORT OF CONNECTION THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY THAT NEED FOR A TURNAROUND AND POSSIBLY HELP WITH MEETING FIRE REQUIREMENTS AND GAINING BETTER INSURANCE OPTIONS.
WE DON'T KNOW ANY OF THAT RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS ALL SPECULATION ON MY PART, BUT LOOKING INTO THIS INTO FURTHER DETAIL, WE CAN, WE CAN FIND OUT THOSE THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE ALL OF THE COSTS.
THE OTHER THING IS, UH, WITH THAT PROCESS, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE ALSO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC OUTREACH EFFORT.
I FULLY EXPECT THAT THERE WILL BE A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS THERE THAT DO NOT SUPPORT A WIDENING AND IMPROVEMENT.
IS IT A MAJORITY? I HAVE NO CLUE, BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THIS PROCESS.
BUT WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON OPTION TWO THOUGH.
WE'RE NOT GONNA SCARE 'EM WITH THE OPTION ONE.
PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH THEM IS LIKE, THE ROADS ARE TOO NARROW, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO EXPAND THAT.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT'S THE COST?
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AND I'M LIKE, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA, I SAID, THERE'S PART OF THIS IS YOU CAN DEDICATE THAT ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY SO IT WOULDN'T BE ACTUALLY CASH IN HAND.IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A LAND TRANSFER THAT WE COULD THEN, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE TO THE PROJECT AND SO ON TO GET A BIGGER RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT ONCE I START TALKING VEGETATION, NUMEROUS AND THEN THEY NEVER CALL BACK.
SO I'M ASSUMING WHAT ANDY'S SAYING IS REAL.
WELL, IF THE, IF THERE'S A PRICE TAG OF A MILLION DOLLARS THAT'S INCLUDED WITH DEDICATING THE LAND, IT GOES A LONG WAY.
WELL, NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WOULD SCARE ME.
OH,
IT WAS IN LIEU OF, SO IN LIEU OF, RIGHT, YOU WOULD, IT WOULD BE QUID PRO QUO.
YOUR DE YOUR CONTRIBUTION WOULD BE DEDICATING RIGHT AWAY.
AND UM, THEY SEEMED TO GET THE CONCEPT AND SO ON.
BUT THEN I SAID, REMEMBER THAT RIGHT OF WAY, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REMOVE VEGETATION, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO RELOCATE MAILBOX, YOU'RE INCLUDE UTILITIES, UM, CURBING, STORM DRAINAGE.
IT'LL BE MULTIPLE, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPTION TWO, RIGHT.
I'M JUST, THIS IS SO LESS, THIS IS MY PREVIOUS CONVERSATION.
AND THEN I WAS LIKE, PLEASE TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS.
WE, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, UM, ONCE YOU GET TOGETHER, GLAD TO COME OUT AND HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD WALK AND TALK AND IT NEVER HAPPENED.
WELL AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO DO YOU THINK YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH THIS IN TIME FOR ANY BUDGET IMPACT IT MIGHT HAVE? UH, AS FAR AS DOING AN ASSESSMENT, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
IF, IF THE DESIRE IS TO HAVE THAT ASSESSMENT DONE BEFORE THE END OF JUNE AND ABLE TO CREATE A BUDGET FOR IMPROVEMENT, THAT WILL BE TIGHT.
AND UH, I'M JUST THINKING OF ALL THE OTHER PRIORITIES THAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW.
I DON'T WANT TO OVER COMMIT THAT AT THIS MOMENT.
WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD PREFER, UM, AND RECOMMEND IS THAT OVER FY 27, AT SOME POINT IN THE PROCESS WE COME BACK TO COUNSEL WITH A FULL REPORT ON WHAT WE FOUND, UM, IN FURTHER RESEARCH AND PUBLIC OUTREACH AND ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE ITEMS. WELL, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT'S GOING TO BE DONE.
AND I RECOGNIZE THEY HAVEN'T PULLED PERMITS AND THEY'RE NOT STARTING IT, BUT THEY DID TALK ABOUT A SHORT TIMEFRAME.
SO CAN YOU PUT A PLACEHOLDER, SOMETHING IN THERE, DO ENOUGH THAT YOU COULD PUT A PLACEHOLDER AND THEN WE CAN DEVELOP IT MORE? DO WE HAVE ANY NON-PUBLIC SAFETY RELATED PRIORITIES THAT WE COULD LET SLIP IN FAVOR OF THIS? I MEAN, WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY THERE'S ALWAYS A RESERVE AMOUNT.
AND SO IF A PLACEHOLDER IS WITHIN THE RESERVE, SO WE COULD COME BACK WHEN WE REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL WITH SOME OPTIONS FOR FUNDING AND POTENTIAL ACCELERATION OF THIS IN LIEU OF SOMETHING ELSE.
AND THAT SORT OF CONSIDERATION THAT COULD BE PART OF OUR REPORT.
BRIAN, WE'RE ABOUT WHAT, SIX WEEKS AWAY FROM THE TWO DAY BUDGET SESSION LIKE THIS YEAR'S OVER ALREADY.
LIKE, I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S TIME, I THINK THE ADVICE FROM STAFF TO USE 27 FOR PREPARATION FOR COMING BACK WITH A THOROUGH ANALYSIS.
I, I THINK THAT'S GOOD ADVICE FROM THEM.
AND I WOULD PREFER TO SEE US PLAN ON ACTUAL EXPENDITURES FOR WORK IN FISCAL 28.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY 2 CENTS.
I, I WOULD ADD TO THAT, THAT THE PROJECT ON GOOD ROW, WE DON'T KNOW THE TIME YET.
IT'S ALWAYS DIFFICULT TO SEE PROJECTS MOVE, BUT THE FOCUS REALLY ON THAT GOOD ROW PROJECT IS CONTRACTORS ROAD CONNECTION AND NOT THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE NORTH.
I THINK THE PEOPLE THERE ARE NOT GONNA BE DRIVING NORTH ON GOOD ROW VERY MUCH SO I, I, I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR FOLTZ THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY ENOUGH TO DO THE ANALYSIS IN 27 AND COME UP WITH WHAT WE DECIDE WE'RE GOING TO DO AND BUT TREAT IT WITH THE SAME KIND OF PRIORITY AS WE'RE TREATING THOSE OTHER CITY OWNED PROPERTY ROADS IN 28.
YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE DO 'EM ALL AT ONE TIME OR NOT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY, BUT JUST KIND OF, IT DOESN'T GET A DIFFERENT PRIORITY.
CHARLIE, I THINK WE'VE GOT THE MONEY
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TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE, IF IT'S BETTER TO DO IT AT THE BEGINNING AND GET THAT DONE.AND THEN WHEN THE GOODROW APARTMENT OR HOUSING COMPLEX IS DONE, THIS IS ALREADY COMPLETED.
OR IF IT'S BETTER TO DO IT PROBABLY NOT SIMULTANEOUSLY OR DO IT AFTER THE FACT.
I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I JUST HAD THIS FEELING.
UM, I I WANTED TO ADD, UM, MR. FURMAN THE, UH, CONNECTION OF GOODROW TO CONTRACTORS ROW.
UM, THERE IS, HAS BEEN, STAFF HAS NOT DEVELOPED A COST FOR THAT.
AND I DON'T, I KNOW IT'S IN THE, UH, AGENDA BILL ITSELF, BUT I DIDN'T MENTION THAT.
SO THAT IS AN UNKNOWN COST AT THIS POINT.
AND THEN I, I WOULD REALLY THINK IT'S DOABLE FOR US TO WORK IN CONCEPT AND SCOPE NOW AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU AND AS YOU KNOW, COUNSELOR, UH, CHARLOTTE BROUGHT UP ABOUT GOING OUT THERE AND TALKING TO THE PUBLIC.
I WOULD HATE FOR US TO WASTE OUR COLLECTIVE OF TIME WITHOUT REALLY GETTING BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND FEEDBACK.
AND THAT'S ONLY GONNA HAPPEN WITH KNOCKING ON DOORS.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT CHAMPIONS AND ALL THAT.
WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT AS THAT OPPORTUNITY THAT WE COULD WORK TOGETHER AND REALLY FEEL WHAT'S THE TEMPERATURE THERE, IS THIS WORTH OUR EFFORTS AND SO ON.
BECAUSE, UM, WE DON'T WANNA DO A LOT OF EXTRA WORK AND THEN FIND IT'S NOT GONNA BE WELL RECEIVED.
WELL, I THINK REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY IS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
I CAN AGREE, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN AND A SCOPE LIKE WE HAD AND A CONCEPT.
AND THEN ONCE WE THAT'S FORMULATED, THEN WE CAN COME BACK IN 2027 AND REALLY GIVE YOU HARD NUMBERS.
THE HYDRANT WAS A GREAT POINT.
THERE'S ONE THERE, IS THERE ENOUGH CAPACITY TO RUN TWO AND THREE AND SO ON? AND THEN WE NEED TO BRING FIRE IN TO GET THEIR INPUTS.
'CAUSE THERE'S THINGS THAT WE MIGHT NOT EVEN ADDRESS.
UM, I'D HATE US TO GO, UM, OFF THE RAILS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL? DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE DIRECTION? WE WERE A LITTLE BIT WOBBLY,
IS IS THAT AGREED TO BY MORE MAJORITY, I GUESS WOULD BE MY QUESTION? I THINK SO, BUT I WOULD JUST CAVEAT IT THAT I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT ON THE BACK BURNER THAT IT'S, IT DOES HAVE A HIGH PRIORITY.
SO I'M OKAY WITH SEEING A BUDGET LINE THAT WE AT LEAST START.
WE AT LEAST MAYBE IN, IN THE NEXT YEAR, WE THROW SOME MONEY TOWARDS IT AND WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH OF IT'LL PAY FOR, BUT AT LEAST IT GETS PRIORITIZED IN THE SENSE THAT WE'RE STARTING TO BUDGET FOR IT.
YEAH, I WOULD SUGGEST WE CAN CREATE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT SHEET THROW, PUT IT INTO THE MATRIX, PUT IT ON THE 10 YEAR PLAN.
I MEAN, WE CAN GET IT IDENTIFIED AND INTO THE ACTUAL BUDGET AS A REAL PROJECT.
OKAY, READY FOR BREAK? OKAY, WE'RE ON BREAK FOR THE NEXT 20 MINUTES.
[9.d. AB 3313 Discussion/possible direction/action regarding proposed State legislation, short-term rental legislation, lobbying efforts, and State budget and their potential impact on the City of Sedona.]
33 13 DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION ACTION REGARDING PROPOSED STATE FEDERAL LEGISLATION, SHORT TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION, LOBBYING EFFORTS AND STATE BUDGET AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE CITY OF SEDONA.IS KATHY WITH US? KATHY MANN? I BELIEVE SHE IS NOW.
OKAY, YOU DOING OKAY? OTHER THAN FIGHTING A HEAD COLD AND THAT TYPE OF SESSION? UH, GREAT
SO WE HAVE TWO BILLS THAT KATHY SENSEMAN AND I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU TONIGHT.
THE FIRST IS A RESOLUTION THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE USE OF PHOTO ENFORCEMENT SYSTEMS. I'M GONNA LET KATHY TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THE RESOLUTION AND THE FACT THAT SHE PREDICTS THAT THIS WILL PASS.
UM, WHICH LEAVES ME WITH THE QUESTION THAT I'LL ASK OF YOU.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO LOOK MORE INTO THE SPECIFICS OF THIS BILL TO HAVE A MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION IN TWO WEEKS? SO JUST KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND.
UM, KATHY, YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT 2004?
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YEAH.UM, SO HCR 2004 IS A REAL DEALING WITH PHOTO RADAR SYSTEMS. AND IT IS, IT HAS BEEN A COMPROMISE KIND OF BILL, WHICH IS WHY I THINK IT COULD MAKE IT OVER THE FINISH LINE.
UM, BECAUSE MOST OF, I THINK ALL OF THE CITIES IN THE LEAGUE THAT HAD BEEN OPPOSED TO THE BILL OR MOVING TO A NEUTRAL POSITION.
UM, BUT IN ESSENCE WHAT THE BILL DOES IS IT WOULD SEND A QUESTION TO THIS NOVEMBER'S BALLOT TO BASICALLY ASK THE CITIZENS OF ARIZONA IF THEY WOULD WANT TO ALLOW CITIES TO HAVE A VOTE TO HAVE VOTER RADAR.
SO IT'S A VOTE TO ALLOW A VOTE.
UM, AND THE CAVEAT TO THIS PIECE THAT WHICH, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BEAR DEEPER DISCUSSION WITHIN THE CITY, IS THAT IF YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A PHOTO RADAR CONTRACT IN PLACE BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR IN ORDER TO, TO BE ELIGIBLE TO DO A VOTE IT.
SO IT'D BE ELIGIBLE IF THE VOTERS PASSED IT IN NOVEMBER.
THEN IF YOU HAD A CONTRACT IN PLACE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, THEN YOU COULD THEN HAVE A VOTE BY THE NEXT, UH, GENERAL ELECTION, WHICH WOULD BE IN 2028 TO ASK YOUR CITIZENS IF THEY WOULD WANT TO HAVE PHOTO RADAR PHOTO ENFORCEMENTS, UH, IN YOUR TOWN.
UH, NOW IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT IN PLACE BY THE END OF THE YEAR, THEN YOU WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE BASICALLY IN A WAY THAT I READ IT.
YOU WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO HAVE PHOTO RADAR OR HAVE THAT VOTE FOR PHOTO RADAR EVER AGAIN.
YOU WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FOREGOING THAT AS AN OPTION.
AGAIN, I WASN'T IT 10 YEARS? IS IT THE 10 YEAR MARK? YEAH.
AND THEN IF, IF YOU, SO IF, IF YOU DID HAVE A VOTE AND IT'S SUCCESSFULLY PASSED, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE PHOTO RADAR COULD BE IN PLACE FOR 10 YEARS AND THEN AT, IN THE NINTH YEAR OR THE 10TH YEAR, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER VOTE.
SO IT WOULD BASICALLY BE TO AUTHORIZE IT FOR 10 YEARS AT A TIME IS HOW THE BILL IS WRITTEN.
SO THE THING I WOULD, I WOULD ASK COUNSEL IS DO WE, DO WE EVEN THINK THAT OUR RESIDENTS WOULD PASS THIS VOTE IF WE HAD, IF WE, IF WE, LET'S SAY THAT WE, UM, LET'S SAY COUNCIL, I'VE TRIED TO PLAY THIS OUT SEVERAL WAYS, UM, BUT LET'S SAY COUNCIL WANTS TO PRESERVE, UM, THE I THE IDEA OF EVEN HAVING A CONVERSATION IF YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE PHOTO RADAR IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
UM, THEN WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO LOOK INTO SOME MORE DETAILS ON THIS? I'VE TALKED TO THE CHIEF, UM, COMMANDER DOWELL HAS BEEN BRIEFED ON THIS AS WELL BEFORE THE CHIEF LEFT TONIGHT.
BUT, UM, IN ORDER TO HAVE A MORE KIND OF ROBUST DISCUSSION WHERE I'D LIKE TO BRING LEGAL INTO THIS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT EXACTLY IS THIS, WHAT EXACTLY ISN'T IT? UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? SO THE COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL SPOKE VERY LOUDLY ON THIS TOPIC.
I DON'T SEE WHERE THIS IS A GOOD USE OF YOUR TIME TO SPEND ANOTHER NANOSECOND ON THIS.
MY THOUGHT WAS BECAUSE OF THAT 10 YEAR THRESHOLD, I CAN TELL YOU TODAY ABSOLUTELY WHAT THE DECISION IS.
IT'S THAT 10 YEAR THOUGHT OF, DOES THAT CHANGE THINGS FOR YOU? IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
EVEN, I MEAN, LET'S PLAY IT OUT.
EVEN IF WE HAD A CONTRACT, UM, IN PLACE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, AND LET'S SAY IT GOES TO THE BALLOT AND THE RESIDENTS SAY, YES, WE WANNA PUT IT ON A 2028 BALLOT.
IT IT MAY NOT PASS, PROBABLY WON'T PASS.
BASED ON WHAT WE, WHAT WE KNOW, LET'S JUST SAY IT'S FIVE YEARS FROM NOW AND FOR SOME REASON THERE'S BEEN A SEA CHANGE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE COMMUNITY'S CLAMORING FOR THIS.
OKAY? I WOULD HOPE WE WOULD HEAR THEM, THAT THEY WANT IT.
SO THEN WHY DO WE NEED TO HAVE A VOTE FROM THE PUBLIC AT THAT POINT? IS IT THAT IF WE DON'T, KATHY, CAN YOU, AND THIS MIGHT BE A POINT WHERE I HAVE LEGAL LOOK MORE CLOSELY INTO IT, BUT AT LEAST THE WAY KATHY'S UNDERSTANDING IT RIGHT NOW, IF WE FOREGO THE OPPORTUNITY NOW, WE WON'T GET THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE.
THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN EXPLAINED TO ME BY FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS BILL IS THAT YOU EITHER HAVE A, HAVE A CONTRACT IN PLACE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, UM, AND IF THIS PASSES ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER, UH, OR IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR AND THIS
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PASSES ON THE BALLOT, YOU WOULD BE PRECLUDED FROM EVER HAVING AN ELECTION OR A, YOU KNOW, HAVING, MAKING A DECISION ON THIS BECAUSE YOU WOULD JUST BE PRECLUDED FROM HAVING THIS IN YOUR MOUTH.SO IT, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO HAVE THIS KIND OF PERFUNCTORY CONTRACT IN PLACE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO PRESERVE YOUR RIGHT.
UH, OTHERWISE THERE IS NO KIND OF OFF RAMP FOR, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS, FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD OF YOU MAYBE MAKING A DECISION TO, UH, WANT TO PURSUE VOTER RADAR.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE OTHER CHALLENGE IS, IS BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO THE VOTERS, IT WOULD BE VOTER PROTECTED.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE YOUR MIND AND BE LIKE, WELL, LET'S GO BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE AND FIX THE LEGISLATION, IT, IT WOULD REQUIRE A THREE FOURTH VOTE.
AND THEN IF IT WAS DEEMED NOT TO FURTHER THE PURPOSE OF THE INITIATIVE, IT, IT WOULDN'T EVEN BE ELIGIBLE TO BE A BILL.
AND SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT LAURA'S SAYING AND WHAT I THINK A LOT OF THE CITIES ARE BEING COUNSELED WITH RIGHT NOW IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU WANNA LOOK AT THIS AND SEE IF THIS WOULD BE A RIGHT.
THAT BASICALLY YOU WOULD WANT TO BE PRESERVING AT THIS POINT.
NAH, NO, THIS IS RED LIGHT PHOTO ENFORCEMENT, RIGHT? SPEEDING.
FAILURE TO BE A TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, THAT THOSE CAMERAS FOR SPEEDING.
SPEEDING AND RED LIGHT LIGHTS AND RED LIGHT EXCEPT EITHER OR.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE.
WHAT ABOUT IT WAS LICENSE PLATE READERS? PRETTY, BUT IT IS THE SAME.
IT CAN BE A SIMILAR TECHNOLOGY.
SO WHEN I TALKED WITH THE CHIEF BEFORE, THERE ARE SYSTEMS THAT USE IT AND SYSTEMS THAT DON'T USE LICENSE PLATE READERS.
SO UM, THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCE THAT WE WOULD WANNA LOOK INTO, UM, AND BRING BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT, YOU COULD CERTAINLY WRITE A CONTRACT THAT DOESN'T REALLY GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL A VOTE IS PASSED.
BUT I START OFF WITH, HAS OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT EVER EVEN ASKED FOR THIS? YOU KNOW, HAS IT EVER BEEN A PRIORITY OF, OF US? HAVE WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT PHOTO RADAR OR PHOTO ENFORCEMENT IN THE PAST? AND IT HAS NOT BEEN SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS IMPLEMENTED OR ASKED FOR UP TILL THIS POINT.
UM, THE CHIEF AND I TALKED ABOUT KIND OF WORST CASE SCENARIO TYPE OF THINGS WHERE YOU HAVE AN ACCIDENT FROM A RED LIGHT, SOMEBODY GETS KILLED, AND THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, UM, DEMAND FOR WANTING TO ENFORCE THAT MORE AT A SPECIFIC INTERSECTION.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WHERE WE HAD DATA THAT SAID THAT THIS INTERSECTION REPEATEDLY HAS THE SAME ISSUE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU COULD IMPLEMENT THAT TOOL IF, IF WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S REALLY ABOUT PRESERVING THE RIGHT TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS OR NOT.
AND IN MY MIND, THIS COULD BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
OUR RESIDENTS, UH, UH, OBJECTED TO BEING SPIED ON, AND I GET THAT.
UH, BUT THIS IS, IF THERE'S A VIOLATION IN SPEED OR A RED LIGHT, A PICTURE IS SNAPPED AND THEN SOME ENFORCEMENT CAN TAKE PLACE, THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING.
IT'S, IT IS A DIFFERENT THING.
IT, IT POTENTIALLY, IF THEY USE IT BY AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READER, EVERYONE THAT COMES BY AND THEY JUST PRESERVE, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, THE DETAILS COULD, COULD MATTER HERE, BUT I THINK I'M MORE DRIVEN BY THE FACT THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN A NEED FROM IT IN THE PAST.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD REACT TO THIS, JUST BECAUSE STATE LAW IS CHANGING AND STATE LAW CHANGES ALL THE TIME AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN A NEED FOR IT.
AND YEAH, THIS JUST SEEMS LIKE IT CREATES UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND I DON'T WANT US TO HAVE TO PUT THE EFFORT INTO EDUCATING PEOPLE ABOUT, OH, THIS IS SOMEHOW DIFFERENT THAN THE WHOLE FLOCK FIASCO.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? KATHY? WHAT IS YOUR PROGNOSIS FOR IN THE SENATE? YOU KNOW, I, I THINK BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A COMPROMISE, UH, BETWEEN THE VOTER RADAR FOLKS, BETWEEN BILL SPONSOR AND THE CITIES THAT WERE FIGHTING THIS THING AND OPPOSED TO IT, AND THAT THEY'RE SWITCHING TO THE POSITIONS TO NEUTRAL.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT HAS A BETTER THAN GOOD CHANCE OF PASSING AND BEING ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
DEREK, I SEE NO REASON TO GO DOWN THIS PATH.
COUNSELOR BERMAN, IT'S DIFFERENT.
I THINK I MIGHT MEAN, I, FOR ONE, I'M NOT A MASOCHIST.
I DON'T SEE THE REASON TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, SO THE LAW CHANGES, LAWS CHANGE.
I DON'T WANNA PUT A PERFUNCTORY CONTRACT IN PLACE JUST SO THAT WE CAN
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PRESERVE SOME POSSIBLE THING IN THE FUTURE TO NO, JUST, I DON'T CARE IF WE OPPOSE IT OR WHATEVER, BUT I MEAN, I'VE, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT, EVEN IF THIS PASSES AND WE COULD DO IT, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT DOING ONE OF THOSE CONTRACTS.IS INFRINGEMENT ON LOCAL CONTROL WHEN THE DAY IS DONE AGAIN? OF COURSE.
SO I'M OUT
THEY'RE SAYING WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING THAT'S, WE'RE LOSING LOCAL CONTROL
IF WE DON'T, IF THIS GOES, IF THIS GETS PASSED AT THE BALLOT BOX, WE'RE LOSING AND, AND WE DON'T DO A PERFUNCTORY CONTRACT, WE'RE LOSING LOCAL CONTROL.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS A BAD IDEA.
WE DON'T USE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PHOTO RADAR GUNS.
WE DON'T HAVE THOSE PORTABLE ONES EITHER.
SO, SO THIS IS PHOTO RADAR ENFORCEMENT.
IT'S DIFFERENT THAN, UH, RADAR GUNS.
SO THIS DOESN'T PROHIBIT POLICE OFFICERS, ALTHOUGH OUR OFFICERS USE LASER NOW.
BUT IT DOES NOT PROHIBIT LASER RADAR ENFORCEMENT BY OFFICERS WITH HANDHELD DEVICES.
WELL THEN WE, THIS THESE ARE THE CAMERAS YEAH.
THAT WERE, THAT HAVE BEEN VERY CONTROVERSIAL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
BUT SO DPS IS, UM, IN, IN THE COUNTY, CAN THEY USE IT? IT'S NOT IN THE CITY.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S ONLY FOR, IT'S IN TITLE 28.
SO I THINK IT, IT WOULD APPLY TO ALL LAW ENFORCE, SO IT'D BE APPLY TO COUNTIES AS WELL.
DPS DOESN'T NORMALLY INSTALL THESE 'CAUSE THEY DON'T OWN ANY OF THE UNDERLYING LAND LIKE A CITY OR COUNTY DOES.
ARE THEY INSTALLED ANYWHERE IN YAVAPAI COUNTY? NOT THAT I KNOW OF.
COMMANDER, DO YOU KNOW? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
AND, UH, I KNOW DPS DOESN'T ALLOW THEM ON THE HIGHWAYS ANYWAY, UM, OR THE STATE.
SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY JUST ELIMINATE THE PURPOSE OF US HAVING THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE THEY, THE STATE HAS A POLICY THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED ANYMORE ON THE HIGHWAYS, AND SO THEREFORE I BELIEVE IT WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE ALLOWED ON 89 A 89 A OR 1 79.
SO THAT WOULD LEAVE YOU WITH REALLY NOTHING WE TALK ABOUT.
I DON'T LIKE GIVING UP LOCAL CONTROL, BUT IT'S GIVING UP CONTROL TO DO SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO, THAT OUR RESIDENTS DON'T WANT US TO DO THAT.
SO YEAH, COTTONWOOD IS LISTED AS BEING OPPOSED, BUT IT'S THE ONLY CITY IN NORTHERN ARIZONA THAT EVEN WEIGHED IN ON IT, IT LOOKS LIKE.
KATHY, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS?
SO I THINK WE'RE PRETTY UNANIMOUS.
UM, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE AN, UH, A POSITION ON IT OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUST STAY OUT OF IT ALTOGETHER? YEAH, STAY OUT OF IT.
UM, NEXT IS A BILL THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO.
AND THAT'S HP 40 64, WHICH WOULD ALLOW CITIES TO SET UP MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS.
UM, KATHY WILL GO INTO MORE DETAILS ON THIS BILL.
UM, I'VE ALSO TOUCHED BASE WITH BARBARA, AND SHE'S PREPARED TO DISCUSS WHAT A MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT IS AND ISN'T IF YOU ALL HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS.
UM, BUT GO AHEAD KATHY, GIVE AN OVERVIEW.
SO, UM, IT'S ONE OF THE FEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS I WOULD SAY THAT CITIES CURRENTLY HAVE.
UM, THIS IS ALREADY SOMETHING THAT'S IN PLACE AND, AND WHEN I TALK TO THE LEAGUE ABOUT THE BILL, UM, THEY EXPLAINED THAT REALLY WHAT ALL THIS IS DOING, IT, THERE'S A LOT OF VERBIAGE IN IT, BUT REALLY WHAT IT'S DOING IS CHANGING WHEN A PETITION CAN BE FILED, UM, TO CREATE ONE OF THESE DISTRICTS.
SO INSTEAD OF DOING THE PETITION ON THE BACK END, THE PETITION IS DONE ON THE FRONT END.
UH, MEANING THAT ALL OF THE RESIDENTS OR LANDOWNERS THAT WOULD WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN A DISTRICT WOULD, UH, BASICALLY SIGN THE PETITION TO, UH, CREATE ONE ON THE FRONT END RATHER THAN THIS IS THE COUNCIL HAVING TO, UH, PASS A RESOLUTION AND THEN GET THAT ON THE BACK END, UH, WAS HOW IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME.
AND SO IT'S SUPPOSED TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS AND JUST, UH, UH, MAKE IT MORE TRANSPARENT UPFRONT OF WHO'S, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO DO THIS, WHO IS IN AGREEMENT TO DO IT.
UM, ON, ON THE FRONT END IS HOW THE BILL HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO ME WHEN I, I STARTED RESEARCHING, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE BILL SETTING OUT TO DO?
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IS THERE ANY, WHAT'S THE LEAGUE'S POSITION? UH, THE LEAGUE IS FOR IT.UM, AND YOU ALSO HAVE, UH, YEAH, TWO YBA COUNTY SUPERVISOR, SUPERVISOR CHECK SUPERVISOR JENKINS SUPPORTING IT.
UM, THE MAYOR OF CAMP VERDE, UH, COTTONWOOD IS SIGNED IN.
THE MAYOR OF CLARKDALE, PRESCOTT VALLEY, HAVE ALL SIGNED IN, IN ADDITION TO SOME, UH, CITIES DOWN HERE IN THE VALLEY THAT ARE ALL IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL.
THE MAYOR OF CAMP VERDE TALKED ABOUT IT TODAY AND SHE SAID THAT SHE BELIEVED IT WAS GONNA GET THROUGH THE HOUSE AND THEN THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SENATE SUPPORT, SOMEBODY TO CARRY IT IN THE SENATE.
DOES IT CHANGE? THE BILL DID PASS OUT OF THE BILL.
THE BILL DID PASS TODAY OUT OF THE HOUSE, 48 TO SEVEN.
SO IT HAD A STRONG SHOWING TODAY.
SO THAT WOULD BODE WELL FOR ITS CHANCES IN THE SENATE.
DOES IT CHANGE THE THRESHOLD FOR HOW MANY VOTERS HAVE TO APPROVE IT OR IT JUST NO SHIFTS THE TIMING? YEAH.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO SLIP ONE BY THE VOTERS.
I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS SOMETHING WE COULD SUPPORT.
DO, DO WE HAVE ANY OF THESE ALREADY? IS THIS WHAT FAIRFIELD AND THOSE ARE COMMUNITY FACILITY.
THOSE ARE COMMUNITY FACILITY DISTRICTS.
UH, HAVE WE CONTEMPLATED TRYING TO DO THIS AT SOME POINT? UH, THE ONLY TIME IS JUST DISCUSSING NOW WITH THE ROADS.
UH, YOU DO, UM, AN IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT FOR, FOR REPAIRING THESE ROADS.
SO LIKE ANNEXATION THOUGH, IT TAKES HALF OF THE REGISTERED, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS AND HALF OF THE PROPERTY VALUES IN ORDER TO APPROVE ONE OF THESE.
THE BEFORE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO PASS THE RESOLUTION ORDINANCE, AND THEN YOU GO GET THE PETITION.
NOW YOU HAVE TO GET THE PETITION FIRST BEFORE COUNCIL EVEN TAKES THAT STEP.
SEEMS LIKE IT MAKES SENSE TO DO SOMETHING BEFORE YOU GO DOWN THE ROAD TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT.
CHARLOTTE, YOU NEED TO TALK IN THE MIC.
SEDONA WASTEWATER MANAGEMENT SWAMP.
IT'S SOME KIND OF SWAMP, LIKE I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THAT WAS A MUNICIPAL DISTRICT.
THE CITY'S, UH, MUNICIPAL WATER WASTEWATER IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
UM, YEAH, I SUPPOSE IT PROBABLY WAS ORGANIZED UNDER THESE.
MARGARET CAMP VERDE ASKED US TO SUPPORT IT AND WE'RE ABOUT TO ASK THEM TO SUPPORT SOMETHING ON OUR BEHALF.
MAYOR BARBARA, I THINK BARBARA'S TRYING TO WEIGH IN.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, MUNICIPAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS LIKE THIS WERE VERY POPULAR AND USED A LOT PRIOR TO 2016 WHEN THE LEGISLATURE PASSED A LAW MOVING THE PETITION PROCESS TO THE END.
AND WHAT HAPPENED THEN WAS THAT MUNICIPALITIES WOULD SPEND A LOT OF MONEY, DO ALL THE ANALYSIS, DO ALL THIS, ALL THESE PIECES, A LOT OF UPFRONT COSTS, AND THEN GET TO THE POINT OF THE PETITION AND FIND THAT THEY COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD.
SO THE USE OF THEM HAS FALLEN OFF REALLY DECIDEDLY IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY'RE, THEY'RE LIKE, GOSH, THAT DIDN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE.
IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE SMART POLICY TO ME.
SO IS THIS SOMETHING WE CAN SUPPORT? YES.
KATHY, ELLA, I HAVE NO COMMENT.
UM, THOSE WERE THE TWO MAIN BILLS THAT, UM, WERE NEW TO US TONIGHT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER BILLS ON YOU ALL'S MIND THAT YOU'D LIKE WHERE, WHERE IS OUR, NOT OUR, BUT WHERE IS THIS REPRESENTATIVE BLISS'S, SHORT TERM RENTAL BILL? TAKE IT AWAY.
YEAH,
UM, OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE HOUSE.
THERE WERE, I'M SORRY, 36 VOTES.
THERE WERE FOUR MEMBERS THAT WERE MISSING.
SO IF THEY HAD BEEN THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN, I THINK ON THE YES SIDE.
SO, UH, COMING OUTTA THE HOUSE WITH THE APPROXIMATELY 40 VOTES OR 40, 40, 40 VOTES.
UM, SO IT'LL MOVE OVER TO THE SENATE NOW.
UM, I'M TALKING TO THE LEAGUE ABOUT TRYING TO GET THE BILL, UM, ASSIGNED TO, UM, TO A COMMITTEE THAT, THAT ESSENTIALLY WOULD BE FRIENDLY, MEANING THAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HEAR THE BILL IN THE SENATE.
UM, AND MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SENATE PRESIDENT, HE SAID HE WOULD NOT BLOCK ANY SHORT-TERM RENTAL BILL IF THERE WAS CONSENSUS WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, THE AIRBNB COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, AND THAT IS WHAT THIS BILL HAS.
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SO, UM, SO YOU KNOW, SO WE'LL SEE.BUT THE, IF THE BILL DID PASS TODAY.
THAT'S THE MORATORIUM ON, ON INCREASES FOR UTILITIES AND SUCH.
YEAH, THAT WAS, UH, ACTUALLY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON, UH, THE HOUSE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE CALENDAR TODAY, AND IT WAS RETAINED.
UH, SO THE, IT DID NOT, THE BILL DID NOT MOVE FORWARD.
IT KIND OF STALLED OUT TODAY AND, UH, IT COULD BE BROUGHT BACK TOMORROW.
'CAUSE IT WAS, IT FAILED AND THEN IT WAS BEING RECONSIDERED AND THEN IT DIDN'T BE RECONSIDERED.
BUT ANYWAY, UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE, I KNOW THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE LEAGUE WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, AND THEY WERE TRACKING IT AND AN ALERT WENT OUT TO EVERYBODY TO CONTACT THEIR LEGISLATORS.
AND EARLIER TODAY, OR AFTER THAT, EARLIER THIS EVENING, THERE WAS A NOTE THAT WAS SENT OUT THAT SAYS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S DEAD.
SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU THOUGHT IT WAS DEAD.
YEAH, I, I MEAN, IT, IT BEING RETAINED ON THE CALENDAR TODAY, UM, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTS THAT IT'S IN TROUBLE.
UM, AND SO, YEAH, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE WAS, THERE WAS A MEETING AT THE LEAGUE THAT, UH, LAUREN AND I BOTH ATTENDED ON FRIDAY.
UM, THEY WERE GIVING OUT ASSIGNMENTS AND SO IT WASN'T ALL HANDS ON DECK, UM, GETTING WITH, YOU KNOW, OUR LEGISLATORS TO, YOU KNOW, OPPOSE THE BILL.
AND SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EFFORT THAT'S GONE INTO THIS TOO, UH, TO, TO TRY TO KILL IT.
I GUESS THERE WAS SOME COMP, I THINK IT'S BEEN A GOOD TRAJECTORY RIGHT NOW TO, TO
YEAH, THERE WAS SOME COMPROMISE THAT WASN'T, DIDN'T REALLY HELP VERY MUCH THAT WAS PROPOSED.
I THINK THAT'S WHY IT CAME UP FOR RECONSIDERATION.
UM, WHAT THEY WERE, WHAT WAS GOING TO BE OFFERED, OR WHAT I HEARD WAS GOING TO BE OFFERED WAS TO REMOVE, UH, THE UTILITY RATES FROM THE BILL SO THEY WOULD NOT CAP OUT OR PUT A MORATORIUM ON ANY UTILITY INCREASES.
UM, BUT ALL OTHER FEES AND TAXES AT THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL WOULD BE FROZEN IN THIS MORATORIUM FOR FOUR YEARS.
AB 30 66, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? KATHY, HAVE ANYTHING? I THINK SHE SAID NO,
WE HAVE NO MEETING TOMORROW, SO WE ARE ADJOURNED
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TONIGHT.