[1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]
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I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 4:30 PM ON TUESDAY, MARCH 24TH.
UH, WOULD YOU PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? MY PLEDGE, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY, LIBERTY, AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND NOW A MOMENT OF, OF SILENCE, PLEASE.
MADAM CLERK, COULD YOU READ THE ROLE, PLEASE? MAYOR PLU.
[3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE]
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CONSENT ITEMS. IS THERE ANYONE FROM COUNCIL, STAFF OR MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO PULL OFF ANY ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? HEARING NONE, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE A AND B.
WE HAVE NO APPOINTMENTS TODAY.
[5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS]
FIVE, SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR, COUNCILOR, CITY MANAGER, AND COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS.UH, SPEAKING FIRST FOR COUNCILOR FURMAN 'CAUSE OF SOME, UH, TECH CHALLENGES.
HE WANTED ME TO SHARE THAT, UM, AN INITIAL MEETING OF THE COUNCIL COMPENSATION WORK GROUP TOOK PLACE ON MARCH 17.
THEY'RE WORKING ON RESEARCH AREAS AND ACTION ITEMS. WE'LL BE POSTING INFORMATION ON THE CITY WEBSITE.
NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 21.
AND THEN FOR MYSELF LAST WEEK I WORKED WITH, UM, ANDY DICKEY AND KURT HARRIS AND MADE A BRIEF, UH, ADVOCACY MESSAGE IN FRONT OF THE STATE TRANSPORTATION BOARD, UH, SEEKING THEIR SUPPORT FOR FUNDING FOR THE TWO ROUNDABOUTS THAT, UH, WE'VE ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND CONTEMPLATING IN VARIOUS FORMS OF GRANTS AND CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING AND SO FORTH.
SO THANK YOU BOTH ANDY AND KURT FOR, UH, WORKING WITH ME ON THAT.
ANYONE ELSE? CHARLOTTE? I WANTED TO REPORT FROM THE RECYCLING CENTER THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER ACCEPTING BATTERIES, UH, FOR DISPOSAL.
UM, ALL THEY COULD DO WITH THEM WAS TRANSPORT THEM TO PHOENIX AND THE COST WAS REALLY PROHIBITIVE FOR IT.
HOWEVER, THE GOOD NEWS IS STAPLES IS ACCEPTING BATTERIES.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY A, UM, A LITTLE COLLECTION FEE FOR IT.
AND, UM, AND THEY'LL RECYCLE 'EM.
SO, SO PEOPLE CAN GO TO STAPLES WITH THEIR BATTERIES AND THEY WILL TAKE THEM FOR FREE.
I WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE A OP ED ON, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT WILL BE IN THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC CAPITAL TIMES.
THIS IS ON THE SELENA BLISS'S BILL THAT WAS STRIPPED DOWN SO THAT WHILE IT HAS SOME PROVISIONS FOR ENFORCEMENT, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY CAPS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
AND WE HAVE, UH, MAYORS FROM ACROSS THE VERDE VALLEY AND NORTHERN ARIZONA RURAL MAYORS, UH, WHO ARE SIGNING ON TO THE LETTER.
SO LOOK FOR THAT TO BE PUBLISHED NEXT WEEK, THIS LATER THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK.
JOANNE, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS? WE DO NOT.
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UH, MICHAEL JAMES LONG WHO'LL BE FOLLOWED BY RACHEL COLLINS.I'M AN ARIZONA STATE CITIZEN AND OF AB DOMIC HALL ON THE LAND OF ARIZONA FOR NINE YEARS.
IN ARTICLE TWO, SECTION 33 OF THE ARIZONA CONSTITUTION OF 1910, IT STATES THE ENUMERATION IN THIS CONSTITUTION OF CERTAIN RIGHTS SHALL NOT BE CONSTRUED TO DENY OTHERS, DEPRIVED BY TO DENY OTHERS, RETAINED BY THE PEOPLE HEREIN, EXPRESSLY CLAIMED.
THOUGH NOT LIMITED TO, I CLAIM THE RIGHT TO TRAVEL, ASSEMBLE RELIGION, USE OF WRT ASSOCIATION, LIFE, LIBERTY, AND PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.
BACK WITH MORE QUOTES FROM THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, THOMPSON V SMITH, 1930, THE RIGHT OF A CITIZEN TO TRAVEL ON THE PUBLIC HIGHWAYS AND TO USE THE TRANS AND TO TRANSPORT HIS PROPERTY THERE ON BY HORSE-DRAWN CARRIAGE, WAGON, OR AUTOMOBILE IS NOT A MERE PRIVILEGE, WHICH MAY BE PERMITTED OR PROHIBITED AT WILL, BUT A COMMON RIGHT UNDER WHICH IS RIGHT TO LIFE, LIBERTY AND PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.
UNDER THIS CONSTITUTIONAL GUARANTEE, ONE MAY THEREFORE, UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, TRAVEL AT HIS INCLINATION ALONG THE PUBLIC HIGHWAYS AND IN PUBLIC PLACES, WHILE CONDUCTING HIMSELF IN AN ORDERLY AND DECENT MANNER, NEITHER INTERFERING WITH NOR DISTURBING ANOTHER'S RIGHTS, HE'LL PROTECT IT, BE PROTECTED NOT ONLY IN HIS PERSON, BUT ALSO IN HIS SAFE CONDUCT.
CHICAGO MOTOR COACH VERSUS CHICAGO 1929.
THE USE OF THE HIGHWAYS FOR THE PURPOSE OF TRAVEL AND TRANSPORTATION IS NOT A MERE PRIVILEGE, BUT A COMMON AND FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO THE PUBLIC, WHICH THE INDIVIDUAL CANNOT BE RIGHTFULLY DEPRIVED.
STEPHENSON VERSUS BENFORD, 1932.
THE HIGHWAYS OF A STATE ARE PUBLIC PROPERTY AND THE PRIMARY AND PREFERRED USE FOR WHICH IS PRIVATE PURPOSES.
A STATE MAY NOT IMPOSE A CHARGE FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF A RIGHT GRANTED BY THE CONSTITUTION SHUTTLESWORTH VERSUS CITY OF BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA 1963 WITH AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL LICENSING LAW, ONE MAY IGNORE IT AND ENGAGE WITH IMPUNITY IN THE EXERCISE OF THE RIGHT, THE DEFINITION OF DRIVER IN BLACK'S LAW FOURTH EDITION, PAGE 5 85.
STATES, ONE EMPLOYED IN EMPLOYED IN CONDUCTING OR OPERATING A COACH CARRIAGE OR OTHER WAGON OR OTHER VEHICLE WITH HORSES OR AUTOMOBILE, OR SORRY, MOTOR VEHICLE ENDS IN MOTOR VEHICLE WHILE EXERCISING MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES AS A FREE MAN WHILE HARMING NONE FOR ALMOST A DECADE.
THE SPD HAS REPEATEDLY CRIMINALIZED ME PHYSICALLY, MENTALLY, AND EMOTIONALLY ABUSED ME, AND EGREGIOUSLY VIOLATED NUMEROUS OTHER RIGHTS.
WHEN THE STONE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEARLY KILLED ME, WHILE I HAD HARMED NONE DETAINED, I DELIVERED MY NAME, BIRTH, TIME, AND LOCATION.
THEY HAD ALSO PREVIOUSLY COLLECTED MY BIOMETRIC DATA, YET IT WAS CLAIMED.
I WAS MET WITH QUOTE, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO NOT HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
END QUOTE, I REPLIED, IT IS MY FREEDOM TO LIVE OUTSIDE OF COMMERCE WITH MY RELIGION AND CREED.
SO LONG AS IT HARMED NONE, I DON'T HAVE TO PURCHASE AND CARRY GOVERNMENT CARDS.
I THEN ASKED FOR A COMMANDING OFFICER TO WHICH I RECEIVED NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THAT ORDER OF VIOLENT ASSAULT UPON ME, I GOT TASED AND RECEIVED 53 DAYS OF BRAIN SWELLING, ET CETERA.
THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY, MONEY I CANNOT RELIGIOUSLY AFFORD.
IN THE ARIZONA CONSTITUTION, 1910, ARTICLE 20 SAYS, PERFECT TOLERATION OF RELIGIOUS SENTIMENT SHALL BE SECURED TO EVERY INHABITANT TO THE STATE, AND NO INHABITANT TO THE STATE SHALL EVER BE MOLESTED IN HIS PERSON OR PROPERTY ON ACCOUNT OF HIS OR HER RELIGIOUS WORSHIP, OR LACK OF THE SAME.
FOR MANY YEARS, I HELD VOWS OF RELIGIOUS RENUNCIATION, ALONG WITH MY CREED, FORBIDDING THE USE OF MODERN CURRENCY.
BUT I WAS NEARLY KILLED BY THE SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE ME VIOLATE MY VOWS IN CREED FOR OVER TWO YEARS.
AND THREE LAWYERS AFTER I TRIED TO GET THE VIDEO FOOTAGE OF THE ASSAULT ALL DENIED TO ME PERSONALLY.
MEANWHILE, THEONA POLICE DEPARTMENT HARASSED AND THREATENED THE ONLY WITNESS THEREOF OUT OF TOWN.
GIVEN THE MURDER OF MY REPORTER FRIEND JOHNNY IN 2020, AND THE DEATH THREATS OF MY CITY COUNCIL CANDIDATE FRIEND EDDIE, BEING IN GENUINE FEAR FOR MY LIFE, I WAS COMPELLED TO MAKE FALSE PLEA AND TESTIMONY TO THE COURT NOW TO TRY TO USE THIS AS BASIS AGAINST ME.
I SPOKE IN JANUARY AND I ADDRESSED, UH, A SITUATION.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND, AND, UH, CITY OF RESIDENCE? RACHEL COLLINS.
I LIVE IN SEDONA FOR 20 YEARS.
SO IN JANUARY I CAME AND I SPOKE ABOUT THE NEED, UH, FOR SOME OF OUR LONG-TERM ELDERLY, DISABLED, HOMELESS, INCLUDING VIETNAM VETERANS WHO'VE LIVED FOR YEARS IN FIELDS BECAUSE WE HAVE NO HOUSING OR RESOURCES FOR THEM, AND ASKED THAT THERE BE A BETTER WAY THAT THEY CAN USE THE FUNDS FOR A HOTEL PROGRAM, HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM THAT'S BEING ADMINISTRATED ADMINISTERED RIGHT NOW BY, UM, IN, BY COTTONWOOD CATHOLIC CHARITIES.
AND I WANTED TO THANK TONY ALLEN, WHO FOLLOWED ME OUT OF THAT MEETING.
AND WITHIN TWO DAYS, THE PROBLEM WAS SOLVED AND THE SEDONA POLICE WERE NO LONGER THE GATEKEEPERS FOR THE PROGRAM.
AND CATHOLIC CHARITIES TOOK OVER, AND IT WAS JUST IN THE NICK OF TIME BECAUSE WE HAD TERRIBLE WEATHER, FREEZING RAIN AND HAIL FOR FOUR DAYS.
AND THESE 80 AND 70 AND 60-YEAR-OLD DISABLED PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO BE IN HOTELS.
SO I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE MR. ALLEN AND THANK HIM FOR HIS PROMPT RESPONSE AND A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM.
THE OTHER SITUATION I WANNA TALK ABOUT IS RELATED TO OUR, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO REPORT VERY SERIOUS CRIME AGAINST ME ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS, WHICH RESULTED IN A $1.2 MILLION LAWSUIT THAT I FILED AGAINST THE POLICE CHIEF FOLEY COMMANDER DOWELL AND OFFICER SANTOS.
AND, UM, NOW WE KNOW THAT, UH, COMMANDER DOWELL HAS RESIGNED.
THERE IS NOTHING IN THE RED ROCK NEWS OR ANY PUBLICITY
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ABOUT WHY HE RESIGNED, BUT SOME OF US IN THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.AND WE BELIEVE THE CITY SHOULD BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE KNOW THERE'S YET ANOTHER CONSULTING FIRM HIRED TO DO A CULTURE SURVEY WHEN WE AS CITIZENS ARE SUFFERING FROM VERY SERIOUS ISSUES IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND LONG-TERM SITUATION OF OFFICERS CRIMINALIZING NORMAL CITIZENS.
TURNING TRAFFIC STOPS INTO OCCASIONS WHERE THEIR CARS ARE SEARCHED WITHOUT WARRANTS, NO DRUGS ARE FOUND, BUT THE CARS ARE RIPPED APART.
UH, AND OFTEN THE PERSON IS TAKEN TO JAIL WITH FABRICATED CHARGES.
SO ABOUT, UH, I THINK IT WAS TWO WEEKENDS AGO, I HAD A SEMINAR.
I HAD THE A CLU PLAN TO SPEAK, AND WE DID A CITIZEN'S RIGHT KIND OF TRAINING.
AND THE TESTIMONIALS WERE HEARTBREAKING AND SHOCKING ABOUT THE TREATMENT AFFORDED TO OUR LOCAL RESIDENTS AND HOW THEIR LIVES WERE DESTROYED BY HOW THEY WERE TREATED BY POL, BY OUR POLICE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY AFFORDING US SAFETY AND SECURITY.
BUT WE DON'T FEEL THAT WE'RE FEARFUL TO EVEN DRIVE IN SEDONA, BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS.
TRAFFIC STOPS TURN IN TOO FAR WORSE.
MIRANDA RIGHTS ARE NOT READ LATER ON.
CHARGES MIGHT BE DISMISSED, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN STRIP SEARCHED IN JAIL AND OTHER HORRIBLE THINGS HAPPEN TO YOU.
THEY USE SOLITARY CONFINEMENT ALL THE TIME.
ONCE SOMEONE ENTERS THE JAIL SYSTEM, THEY ARE NO CON, HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM.
SO THIS IS AN ISSUE WE'D LIKE TO HAVE INVESTIGATED.
OKAY, WE'RE NOW ONTO REGULAR BUSINESS NINE A DISCUSS POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING ITEMS PULLED OFF.
THREE CONSENT ITEMS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY.
[9.b.AB 3329 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of a Construction Contract with Fann Environmental LLC for the WWRP Secondary Clarifier Rehabilitation project in an amount not-to-exceed $748,744.00]
B AB 33 29 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH FAN ENVIRONMENTAL LLC FOR THE WASTEWATER.WELL, WWRP, UH, SECONDARY CLA CLARIFIER REHABILITATION PROJECT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $748,744.
ROXANNE
I'M THE WASTEWATER PROJECT MANAGER SLASH ENGINEER HERE IN SEDONA.
I'M HERE WITH ROXANNE HOLLAND, OUR DIRECTOR OF WASTEWATER.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT TO CHAT TO, TO CHAT ABOUT OUR SECONDARY CLARIFIER REHAB PROJECT AND POTENTIAL APPROVAL OF OUR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH FAN ENVIRONMENTAL TWO MICS.
ALL RIGHT, I'LL START BY TALKING ABOUT, UH, GIVING A BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THE PROJECT.
SO, SECONDARY CLARIFIERS ARE AN INSTRUMENTAL TREAT, UH, PIECE OF EQUIPMENT AT OUR TREATMENT PLANT.
UH, THEY WORK BY SEPARATING SUSPENDED SOLIDS IN THE WASTE STREAM THROUGH A SIMPLE SETTLING PROCESS.
CURRENTLY, THE RECLAMATION PLANT HAS, UH, THREE EXISTING CLARIFIERS CLARIFIER.
ONE CONSTRUCTED IN 1993, CLARIFIER TWO CONSTRUCTED IN 19 OR 2001 AND CLARIFIER THREE CONSTRUCTED IN 2017.
CLARIFIER TWO IS CURRENTLY OFFLINE DUE TO A MOTOR FAILURE IN 2024 THAT CAUSED SOME OTHER STRUCTURAL AND MECHANICAL ISSUES TO THE MECHANISM.
AND THAT CLARIFIER HAS BEEN OFFLINE AND INOPERABLE SINCE THE PLANT IS DESIGNED TO OPERATE WITH TWO CLARIFIERS IN SERVICE.
IN ORDER TO TREAT OUR PEAK FLOW AND TO MAINTAIN OUR PERMIT WITH CLARIFIER TWO OFFLINE, WE'VE LOST OUR REDUNDANT CLARIFIER.
SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, NO REDUNDANCY IN PLACE AND SHOULD ANOTHER CLARIFIER FAIL, WILL LOSE OUR ABILITY TO TREAT OUR PEAK FLOW AND, UH, MAINTAIN OUR PERMIT.
SO FROM THIS, WE'VE UH, IDENTIFIED CLARIFIER ONE AND TWO AS NEEDED SOME REHAB WORK AT THIS TIME.
SO, WASTEWATER STAFF MET WITH, UM, WEST TECH ENGINEERING A CLARIFIER MANUFACTURER IN ORDER TO SPECIFY AND PROPERLY SIZE THE EQUIPMENT FOR THE PROJECT.
THEY CAME OUT TO THE PROJECT SITE MEASURED OUR CLARIFIERS PROPOSED EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD FIT INTO THE EXISTING STRUCTURES.
I BELIEVE I'VE CLARIFIERS ONE AND TWO ARE MISLABELED ON THIS.
BUT WE HAVE OUR THREE EXISTING CLARIFIERS RIGHT HERE.
CLARIFIER ONE IS ON THE LEFT WITH CLARIFIER TWO, THE OFFLINE CLARIFIER ON THE RIGHT HERE.
HERE'S A COUPLE PHOTOS OF THE ACTUAL CLARIFIERS AS THEY ARE INSTALLED.
SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT WITH CLARIFIER ONE, IT'S, IT'S FULL OF WATER.
THIS IS TYPICALLY WHAT A CLARIFIER WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S IN SERVICE.
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AND WE HAVE CLARIFIER TWO ON THE RIGHT HERE.SO WE'VE, WE'VE DRAINED IT AND, BUT IT GIVES A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THE ACTUAL MECHANISM LOOKS LIKE.
SO WE HAVE THIS TRUSS SYSTEM DOWN BELOW WITH SOME SCRAPER ARMS, AND AS PARTICLES SETTLE TO THE BOTTOM, THAT THAT SCRAPER ARM WILL ROTATE AROUND THE CLARIFIER, DRAWING SLUDGE TOWARDS THE CENTER SO IT CAN BE PUMPED OUT.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, PART OF THE MECHANISM IS THE, THE STEALING WELL HERE.
SO WATER WILL COME IN THROUGH THE, UH, CENTER IN INFLUENT PIPE, HIT THE, HIT THE STEEL WALL, AND ESSENTIALLY, UH, LOSE VELOCITY AND PROMOTE SETTLING OF THE, THE PARTICLES OR THE SOLIDS IN THE WATER.
AND THEN PARTICLES THAT DON'T SETTLE, WE CALL, UH, SCUM.
AND THEN WE HAVE A SCUM SKIMMER ARM THAT'LL SWING AROUND WITH THE, UH, ALONG WITH THE TRUSS SYSTEM DOWN BELOW.
AND THAT'LL HELP PUSH ANY SCUM FROM THE SURFACE INTO OUR SCUM TROUGH.
AND THAT'LL GET PUMPED OUT BY OUR, UH, OUR SCUM PUMP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS WALL.
SO FAR, AS FAR AS PROPOSED EQUIPMENT FOR THE PROJECT GOES, WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE MECHANISM ON THIS CLARIFIER, ALONG WITH THE DRIVE MOTOR UP TOP HERE, AND THE SCUM PUMP DOWN IN THE WET WELL ON THE LEFT PICTURE HERE.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE ONES SCUM PUMP, UH, PER CLARIFIER, ONE DRIVE MOTOR PER CLARIFIER, AND THEN OF COURSE, ONE, ONE MECHANISM.
SO I HAVE A COUPLE DRAWINGS ON THIS IN THE NEXT SLIDE, SHOWING SOME ENGINEERING DRAWINGS TO GIVE YOU A BETTER VISUAL OF WHAT THE EQUIPMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE AFTER IT'S INSTALLED.
SO YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE A SIMILAR DESIGN TO THE EXISTING EQUIPMENT WITH THIS TRUSS SYSTEM DOWN BELOW THE STEALING WELL UP TOP, OF COURSE, THE, UH, DRIVE MOTOR MOUNTED ON TOP HERE TOO, ALONG WITH THE SKIMMER ON THE SKIMMER ARM ON THE RIGHT SIDE HERE.
AND THEN AGAIN, JUST TO GIVE YOUR, BE UH, GIVE YOU GUYS A BETTER, UH, VISUAL REP REPRESENTATION OF THE EQUIPMENT.
AND THEN FINALLY A COUPLE PHOTOS, UH, SHOWING THE ACTUAL MODEL THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE PROJECT, UH, INSTALLED ON A SEPARATE PROJECT IN A, IN ANOTHER CITY.
BUT THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU A, A FULL PICTURE OF WHAT THE EQUIPMENT WILL LOOK LIKE.
AS FAR AS THE BID SUMMARY GOES, WE ADVERTISED ON FEBRUARY 4TH, 2026 AND HAD OUR BID OPENING ON FEBRUARY 25TH, 2026.
WE RECEIVED THREE BIDS FOR THAT PROJECT FROM A SR CONSTRUCTION GROUP FAN, ENVIRONMENTAL, AND KI CIVIL CORP.
HERE IS THE BID TABULATION SHOWING THE BREAKDOWN OF EACH CONTRACTOR'S BID.
AND AFTER REVIEW OF FAN ENVIRONMENTAL'S BID FROM, UH, WASTEWATER STAFF, AS WELL AS THE PROCUREMENT TEAM, UH, IAN OVER THERE, UH, WE'VE DEEMED THEM THE LOWEST QUALIFIED BIDDER FOR THE PROJECT SCHEDULE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT 480 CALENDAR DAYS.
WE ANTICIPATE ABOUT 60 DAYS FOR SHOP DRYING REVIEW, FOLLOWED BY A 40 WEEK LEAD TIME FOR DELIVERY OF THE ACTUAL CLARIFIER MECHANISMS. UH, EQUIPMENT INSTALLATION IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN IN MARCH OF 2027 WITH PROJECT COMPLETION IN JULY OF 2027.
AND WE BELIEVE THIS IS A RATHER CONSERVATIVE SCHEDULE AND THAT THE CONTRACTOR WILL BE ABLE TO GET DONE, UH, WITHIN THE 2026 FISCAL YEAR PRIOR TO JULY OR 2027, SORRY, OR, YEAH, 2026 FISCAL YEAR.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR TONIGHT FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I'LL OPEN UP TO OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS, DEREK? UH, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE THREE BIDS? ARE THEY COMPARED, SO FANS A HALF A MILLION LESS THAN THE OTHER, ARE THEY MISSING SOMETHING? ARE YOU GUYS CONFIDENT THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE, UH, AT THIS POINT? WE'RE CONFIDENT WITH THEM.
WE, WE'VE WORKED WITH FAN ENVIRONMENTAL IN THE PAST.
I BELIEVE THEY HAVE ABOUT FIVE OR SIX PROJECTS COMPLETED AT THE TREATMENT PLANT.
UH, ONE IN THE PAST 10 YEARS, UH, WHERE CHANGE ORDERS TOTALED TO ABOUT 1% OF THE PROJECT.
AND THAT PROJECT WAS ABOUT $660,000.
AND THE CHANGE ORDER WAS DUE TO A, UH, CITY DIRECTED DESIGN CHANGE.
UM, OF COURSE, THE DISCREPANCY IN THE BID VALUES WAS A RED FLAG FOR US AS WELL.
SO AFTER REVIEWING THEIR BID, UH, INDEPENDENTLY WITH THE WASTEWATER TEAM IN PROCUREMENT, WE FOUND NO ISSUES WITH THEIR BID DOCUMENTS.
UH, WE MET WITH THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM AT FAN TO CHAT ABOUT THEIR, UH, ESTIMATING PROCESS.
THEY ENDED UP HAVING TWO INDEPENDENT ESTIMATING TEAMS, UH, WORK ON NUMBERS FOR THE PROJECT, AND THEY CAME TO THE SAME, UH, OR SIMILAR VALUES.
UM, AND THEY BELIEVE THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT THEY DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE MISSING ANYTHING.
UM, AND I, I THINK FROM ALL THAT, WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THE PROJECT DONE, UH, WITHIN
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TIME AND, UH, AT COST.KATHY, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS A DIFFERENT DIVISION OF FAN THAN GENERAL FAN CONSTRUCTION THAT THE CITY HAS WORKED WITH ON OTHER PROJECTS.
AND YOU'VE WORKED WITH THIS DIVISION OF FAN BEFORE? YEAH, WE'VE WORKED WITH FAN ENVIRONMENTAL, NOT FAN CONSTRUCTION.
THEY JUST WANTED THAT THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE COMPANIES.
WITH A, UH, MUTUAL LEADERSHIP TEAM.
I, I BELIEVE, BUT SINCE WE'VE WORKED WITH FAN ENVIRONMENTAL IN THE PAST, WE'RE, WE'RE FEELING PRETTY CONFIDENT AND COMFORTABLE.
UM, THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT OFF THE SHELF ITEMS. I'M, I'M AMAZED AT THE LEAD TIME ON THESE.
UM, ANYWAY, BESIDES THAT, IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, YOU'RE EXPECTING PROJECT COMPLETION IN JULY OF, OF 27, WHICH WOULD BE FISCAL 28.
AND YET ALL THE BUDGET AMOUNT IS SCHEDULED FOR SOME FOR THIS YEAR AND SOME FOR FISCAL 27.
IS THERE ANY RE I MEAN, WOULD YOU BE PAYING THE LAST PORTION OF IT? SO IF IN 28, SO LOOKING AT THE TIMEFRAME AND THE LEAD TIME AND HOW MANY DAYS WE HAVE IN THE CONTRACT, THAT DOES BLEED INTO FISCAL YEAR 28.
UM, IF, IF IT LOOKS LIKE DURING CONSTRUCTION AND, AND WHEN WE ANTICIPATE RECEIVING THOSE, UM, MECHANISMS, UM, IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA GO INTO A FISCAL YEAR 28, WE'LL CARRY OVER AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT TO COVER THAT.
SO AT THIS TIME, WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN COMPLETE IT BEFORE JULY 1ST.
BUT IT, IT WILL RELY ON THE, DEPENDING ON THE LEAD TIMES.
MAYOR, WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF IN THE MEANTIME, ONE OF THE EXISTING CLARIFIERS THAT STILL WORKS, STOPS WORKING? WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SOME EMERGENCY REPAIRS AT THAT TIME TO, TO DEAL WITH IT, AND NO WAY TO KNOW, NO WAY TO SPECULATE ON IF, HOW, WHERE, WHEN, HOW MUCH, ET CETERA.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IN CLARIFIER TWO, THE DRIVE MOTOR FAILED AND THAT ENDED UP CAUSING SOME STRUCTURAL DAMAGE TO THE, TO THE MECHANISM ITSELF.
UM, WE KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON THOSE MOTORS.
WE'RE DOING MAINTENANCE ON THEM REGULARLY, PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE, UM, KEEPING A CLOSE EYE ON 'EM SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE ANOTHER ONE.
SO AT THE FIRST SIGN OF ANY TROUBLE, WE'RE GONNA BE ADDRESSING IT.
DO YOU WAKE UP AT NIGHT WORRYING ABOUT YOUR CLARIFIERS? I DON'T.
THE TWO THAT WE HAVE ARE, UM, OPERATING REALLY WELL AND FOR OUR NORMAL FLOWS DURING THE DAY, UM, WE HAVE PLENTY OF CAPACITY WITH ONE, IT'S THOSE PEAK FLOWS, LIKE WHEN THE MOST FLOW IS COMING OUT TO THE PLANT OR IF THERE'S, UM, A RAIN EVENT THAT WE HAVE SOME INFILTRATION THAT COMES OUT TO THE, OR INFLOW THAT COMES OUT TO THE PLANT, THAT'S WHEN IT WOULD BECOME AN ISSUE.
AND WE CAN ALWAYS DIVERT SOME OF THE FLOW TO STORAGE BASINS AND THEN REINTRODUCE THEM WHEN FLOWS DROP BACK OFF.
SO THERE, THERE'S WAYS AROUND NOT HAVING REDUNDANCY.
IT'S NOT, UM, PRETTY OR EASY, BUT WE CAN WE'LL ADAPT AND OVERCOME.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? UH, JUST MORE QUESTIONS.
SO THE, DOES THE BID, DO WE TELL THEM WHAT MANUFACTURER WE WANT TO USE FOR THE EQUIPMENT OR DO THEY JUST COME AND SAY, WE'LL BRING, YOU KNOW, THIS PUMP, THIS CLARIFIER, THIS, WHATEVER.
HOW IS THAT? HOW DOES THAT WORK? UH, WE DO SPECIFY, UH, ACTUAL MANU MANUFACTURERS FOR EACH PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
AND THEN SO THESE BIDS ARE ALL THE SAME ACROSS? YEAH.
WE ALSO, DURING THE BID PROCESS, HAD ANOTHER MANUFACTURER COME IN AND WANT TO BE QUALIFIED AS AN OR EQUAL, UM, WHICH IS COMMON.
AND WE EVALUATED THEIR, UM, PRODUCT AND IT MATCHED EVERYTHING.
UM, AND SO WE DID APPROVE THEM AS AN OR EQUAL, BUT ALL THREE OF THESE BIDS WERE FOR THAT WEST TECH EQUIPMENT.
I JUST, I DON'T WANNA FIND OUT.
ONE, TWO OF THEM ARE OFFERING IT US A TOYOTA AND THE THIRD ONES OFFERING US A HUGO.
SO ANY COMMENTS READY FOR A VOTE? OKAY.
WHO WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION? I WILL.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH FAN ENVIRONMENTAL LLC FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WWRP SECONDARY CLARIFIER REHABILITATION PROJECT, AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $748,744 AND 0 CENTS, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF
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THE WRITTEN CONTRACT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.ALRIGHT, JOANNE, WE'RE UNANIMOUS.
[9.c. AB 3332 Discussion/possible action to pursue the 2026 Invasive Plant Grant (IPG), for up to $200,000, through the AZ Department of Forestry and Fire Management to assist in the reduction of the invasive species, Tree of Heaven and Siberian Elm.]
RIGHT ALONG.UH, WE'RE NOW WITH AB 33 32 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION TO PURSUE THE 2026 INVASIVE PLANT GRANT FOR UP TO $200,000 THROUGH THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY AND FIRE MANAGEMENT TO ASSIST IN THE REDUCTION OF THE INVASIVE SPECIES TREE OF HEAVEN AND SIBERIAN ELM.
UM, SO, UH, YEAH, GOOD EVENING.
UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, DISTINGUISHED COUNSEL, UH, VICE BECK SUSTAINABILITY, UH, MANAGER HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE SARAH ESTRADA, UH, SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR.
UH, WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY, UH, HERE, UH, THROUGH THE, AS YOU YOU MENTIONED, THROUGH THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY FIRE MANAGEMENT.
UH, IT IS A, UH, GRANT OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAD APPLIED FOR LAST YEAR.
UM, AND SO WE'RE LEARNING FROM THOSE, UH, APPLICATIONS AND THE LIKE, AND LOOKING TO APPLY AGAIN FOR AN OPPORTUNITY THIS YEAR.
UH, AS MENTIONED, THE GRANT AWARD CAN BE UP TO, UH, 20,000 OR $200,000, UH, FOR THE RESPECTIVE PROJECT, UH, TO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF WHAT THE OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT OR THE OVERVIEW OF THE GRANT, UH, ANTICIPATED MUNICIPAL PROJECT AND LIFE.
I'LL HAND IT OFF TO MY COLLEAGUE, SARAH.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS.
UM, SO YAS SAID, WE'RE SEEKING TO APPLY FOR THIS GRANT TO REMOVE INVASIVE PLANTS, SPECIFICALLY LIKE YOU SAID, THE TREE OF HEAVEN AND SIBERIAN ELM.
UM, THIS IS FOR THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY AND FIRE MANAGEMENT.
AND, UM, WE, THEY HAVE SOME GRANT OBJECTIVES THAT ALIGN DIRECTLY WITH OUR CITY GOALS WITH INVASIVES.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, ARIZONA'S FACING WIDESPREAD CHALLENGES WITH INVASIVE SPECIES ACROSS THE STATE.
SO THEIR OBJECTIVES WITHIN THE GRANT ARE TO TARGET AND TREAT INVASIVE PLANTS, REDUCE FIRE FLOODING RISK, BUILD LOCAL CAPACITY FOR LONG-TERM INVASIVE PLANT MANAGEMENT, AND UTILIZING INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT TECHNIQUES.
UM, SO FOR THIS GRANT, WE'RE LOOKING TO TARGET TREE OF HEAVEN AND SIBERIAN ELM.
THESE TWO TREES ARE BOTH PRO PROLIFIC SEED SPREADERS.
UM, THEY'RE INTERFERING WITH OUR STORM DRAINAGE AREAS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
COMPUTING ARE NATIVE SPECIES, ADDED AGGRESSIVE RATES.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE REASON FOR CONCERN OF THESE SPECIES.
UM, SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD BE GOOD CANDIDATES FOR THIS, THESE GRANT FUNDS.
UM, SO IF AWARDED, WE WOULD EXPAND ON EXISTING EFFORTS THAT WE'RE CONDUCTING WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON REMOVING OF INVASIVE SPECIES, AND IT WOULD JUST ALLOW US TO REMOVE THINGS AT A FASTER RATE AND WITH THE GRANT FUNDS.
UM, SO FOR OUR PROJECT, OUR PROPOSED KIND OF OUTLINE, UM, UH, WOULD BE TO REMOVE THOSE TWO SPECIES, UH, MUNICIPAL PROPERTIES.
SO FOR THIS GRANT, WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON KIND OF SPECIFIC SPECIES, UH, SPECIFIC LOCATIONS.
AND THAT'LL HELP US GET, UM, THE ODDS OF US GETTING THE GRANT WOULD BE MORE, UM, POSSIBLE BECAUSE, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR KIND OF THE SPECIFICS.
SO, UH, WE WOULD COLLABORATE WITH PUBLIC WORKS TO HELP IDENTIFY SOME EXPERTS IN THIS FIELD OF TREE REMOVAL, UH, SPECIFICALLY INVASIVE SPECIES.
THESE COULD BE PROFESSIONAL LANDSCAPERS AND ARBORISTS.
AND THEN WE WOULD APPLY THOSE, UM, INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT TECHNIQUES TAILORED FOR THOSE SPECIES.
UM, WE'VE DONE SOME INITIAL WORK ON THIS PROJECT, UM, JUST TO HELP US IDENTIFY HOW MANY SPECIES WE HAVE IN OUR CITY PARKS, OUR DRAINAGE AREAS.
SO WE PARTNER WITH OAK CREEK WATERSHED COUNCIL, UH, OVER THE LAST YEAR, AND THEY'VE HELPED US CONDUCT SOME FIELD MAPPING.
SO THEY'VE HELPED US IDENTIFY WHERE THOSE TWO SPECIES ARE SPECIFICALLY, SO WE CAN PULL THAT MAP UP AND ACTUALLY SEE HOW MANY, UM, OF THOSE SPECIES WE HAVE AND HOW CONDENSED, UM, AN AREA IS OF THOSE.
SO UTILIZING THAT INFORMATION WILL HELP US WITH THIS GRANT.
UM, THE GRANT ITSELF OPENED ON MARCH 4TH, AND THE DEADLINE IS APRIL 15TH.
SO, UM, UTILIZING THE THINGS WE HAVE BUILT UP TO THIS POINT, HOPEFULLY WE CAN WRITE IT RATHER QUICKLY.
AND THEN AWARDS WILL BE ANNOUNCED MAY
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THROUGH JUNE, AND WE WOULD ANTICIPATE TO START WORK IN FISCAL YEAR 27.SO WHAT DID WE LEARN BY NOT GETTING THE GRANT LAST YEAR? OR WHAT ARE YOU DOING DIFFERENTLY? YEAH, SO I WENT TO THE WEBINAR AND KIND OF WE, THERE WAS A COUPLE GROUPS THERE THAT ASKED THAT QUESTION.
UM, BASICALLY TOO MANY PEOPLE ASKED FOR TOO MANY SPECIES.
SO WE HAVE, THEY, UH, REQUESTED THAT WE TARGET JUST A SHORTER NUMBER.
SO WE WENT THE TWO THAT ARE PRETTY COMMON AND REALLY AFFECTING OUR WATERWAYS.
AND THEY ALSO SUGGESTED THAT WE MINIMIZE OUR, UH, OUR AREA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO COVER AND JUST FOCUS ON SPECIFICS.
SO THE LAST TIME WE WERE TRYING TO CONCLUDE LIKE A COMMUNITY COMPONENT AND MUNICIPAL WITH LIKE EDUCATION AND, WHICH IS IMPORTANT, BUT THERE WAS JUST LIKE TOO MUCH GOING ON.
WE HAD ABOUT 10 SPECIES, SO WE WERE UNAWARE OF THAT.
SO YEAH, WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO MORE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS FOCUSING ON OUR CITY OWNED PROPERTIES, AND THEN THOSE TWO SPECIES.
AND THE TOTAL AMOUNT, UH, THAT THE STATE HAS, YOU'RE GOING FOR 20,000, BUT WHAT'S THE TOTAL, WE COULD GO UP TO 200,000.
UM, I DON'T REMEMBER THE TOTAL, UM, MONEY ALLOTTED, BUT I'M WONDERING IF IT'S A NEGLIGIBLE, NEGLIGIBLE AMOUNT OF THE OVERALL MONEY AVAILABLE, OR IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET A THIRD OF THE POT, OR WHAT.
YEAH, SO THEY SAID THAT, SO IN THE PAST THEY'VE HAD, UM, THEY'VE ACCEPTED MANY GRANTS THAT ASKED FOR THAT HIGHEST AMOUNT, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BUT THEN THERE'S OTHER TIMES WHERE IT WAS KIND OF A MIX OF SOME LOWER NUMBERS AND HIGHER NUMBERS.
SO THEY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY WHERE AT LEAST I THINK THEY HAD UP TO LIKE SEVEN PEOPLE APPLY ON HIGHER NUMBERS.
UM, AND THEN SOME YEARS THEY ACCEPT MORE GRANTS AT LIKE SOME LOWER MID NUMBERS.
UM, SO I GUESS, YEAH, WE'D HAVE, WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AND SEE.
AND ONE OTHER THING, UM, AS YOU SAID, THEY'RE VERY PROLIFIC SEED SPREADERS.
SO YOU REMOVE THEM FROM A CERTAIN AREA THAT'S MUNICIPAL AND SOMETHING BLOWS IN FROM RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT'S TO KEEP IT FROM JUST REGROWING? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLANNING IS.
SO INSTEAD OF JUST REMOVING SOMETHING AND WALKING AWAY AND CALLING IT A DAY, IT WOULD BE ADDING NATIVE SPECIES TO HELP OUTCOMPETE THOSE INVASIVES.
SO IT'S LIKE MORE OF A HOLISTIC APPROACH.
SO USING THAT METHOD, THERE'S A TOOLBOX THAT YOU CAN USE, YOU CAN PULL OUT THESE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES, YOU KNOW, REMOVING STUFF, AND THEN I THINK IT'S A BIOLOGICAL CONTROL WHERE WE ADD THE NATIVE SPECIES INTO IT, WHETHER IT'S SEED OR PLANTING TREES OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT YEAH, I SEE YOUR CONCERN,
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, I HAVE ONE CARD.
MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
YOU KNOW, THE MORE I CONTEMPLATE THIS PROPOSED TREE REMOVAL PROGRAM, THE MORE IT DOES NOT GROW ON ME.
HOW MUCH ATTENTION ARE YOU GUYS PAYING UP THERE TO HOW HARD YOU'RE GREENWASHING? YOU SIT UP THERE AND YOU EXPRESS ENORMOUS FEAR OF THE AMOUNT OF CARBON DIOXIDE BEING PUMPED INTO THE ATMOSPHERE, AND YOU ARE NOW PROPOSING TO BLOW A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OF PUBLIC FUNDS ON REMOVING THE TREES THAT REMOVE THE CARBON DIOXIDE.
ARE YOU STUPID OR ARE YOU JUST HYPOCRITES? YOU ALSO HAVE NO PLAN TO MAKE GOOD USE OF THE HARVESTED BIOMASS BY USING IT AS FUEL TO POWER.
SEDONA, BRILLIANT, TRULY SUSTAINABLE.
THEN THERE'S THE TOTAL ABSENCE OF BIOLOGICAL CONTEXT.
IN THIS PROPOSAL, ALL WIDELY DISTRIBUTED SPECIES ARE INVASIVE.
IF YOU ESTABLISH A DOGMATIC IDEOLOGY THAT A SPECIES MUST REMOVED SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS INVASIVE, ARE YOU GOING TO REMOVE BEEF, CATTLE, PET DOGS, OR THAT MOST SUCCESSFUL OF ALL INVASIVE SPECIES HUMANS, THIS PROPOSAL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ENVIRONMENT OR SUSTAINABILITY.
IT IS AN ACT OF PURITY CULTURE.
IT IS AN ATTEMPT TO REMAKE THE PHYSICAL WORLD AS IT ACTUALLY EXISTS INTO SOMETHING MORE IN ACCORD WITH THE FANTASIES OF THE RICH WHITE BIGOTS WHO SIT ON THIS COUNCIL.
IT IS IN FACT AN ACT OF ECO FASCISM IN ATTEMPTING TO PURGE THE HEARTLAND OF INTERLOPERS WHO ARE VIEWED AS UNWORTHY.
AND IT IS AN ACT THAT ATTEMPTS TO USE ENVIRONMENTALIST RHETORIC TO EXTEND GOVERNMENT POWER.
NOW, THE FUNNY THING IS, WE IN THE PUBLIC DON'T BUY YOUR B******T ABOUT PLANTS AND ANIMALS BEING THE EQUALS OF HUMAN BEINGS,
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BUT YOU DO SO BY YOUR OWN VALUE SYSTEM.THIS IS ALSO AN ACT THAT IS BOTH RACIST AND SPECIESIST.
IT COULD BE COMPARED TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S INDIAN REMOVAL PROGRAM WHERE A MORE RECENT INVASIVE SPECIES WANTED TO REMOVE A SLIGHTLY OLDER INVASIVE SPECIES.
GO AHEAD AND VOTE YES ON THIS PROPOSAL AND BRAND YOURSELVES ONCE AGAIN, OR FOR THE FIRST TIME, WHICHEVER APPLIES AS IGNOR, RAM'S, HYPOCRITES, FASCISTS, AND RACIST.
WOULD YOU LIKE US ALL TO STAND UP AND SHOUT, SEEK HEEL WHEN YOU DO IT.
IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS SUBJECT, CAN FILL OUT A CARD, SEEING NOBODY JUMPING UP OUT OF THEIR SEATS.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND GO BACK TO COUNSEL.
ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? OKAY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION RIGHT AHEAD.
I MOVE TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY TO APPLY FOR THE 2026 INVASIVE PLANT GRANT FUNDING OPPORTUNITY TO HELP WITH THE REDUCTION OF INVASIVE SPECIES TO AUTHORIZE THE PROVISION OF THE REQUIRED LOCAL MATCH, AND ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
OKAY, JOANNE, WE ARE UNANIMOUS.
[9.d. AB 3330 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of a 20-year license agreement with Wecom LLC for use of the City’s public rights-of-way for fiber optic cable with fees waived equal to Wecom’s cost to install a fiber network connecting City locations that will convey to the City.]
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, AB 33 30 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF A 20 YEAR LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH WEEK OM LLC FOR USE OF THE CITY'S PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY FOR FIBER OPTIC CABLE WITH FEES WAIVED EQUAL TO W COM'S COST TO INSTALL A FIBER NETWORK CONNECTING CITY LOCATIONS THAT WILL CONVEY TO THE CITY AND WHO'S GONNA PRESENT ON THIS ITEM.GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, COUNSELORS.
UH, I'M MONIQUE CODY, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, AND WITH ME, UH, TODAY PRESENTING, PRIMARILY PRESENTING IS, UH, CHUCK HARDY, AS YOU KNOW, FROM THE CITY.
AND THIS IS PAUL FLEMING FROM FROM WE COM.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AGENDA ITEM, THE CITY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO ISSUE A, A RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT FOR 20 YEARS TO, TO ECOM TO INSTALL FIBER IN THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY.
AND IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT, UH, THE CITY WOULD AGREE TO WAIVE THE ANNUAL FEES AND ALL THE PERMITTING FEES.
UH, AND ECOM WOULD PROVIDE A, UH, CITY OWNED FIBER NET, UH, FIBER, NET FIBER, UH, NETWORK.
UH, SO WE HAVE TWO PRESENTATIONS.
UM, PAUL CB OR PAUL FLEMING FROM WE COM WILL START OFF, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE, UH, CHUCK'S PRESENTATION.
KURT HARRIS WAS HERE, SO THIS WAS A, A TEAM EFFORT.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR PUBLIC WORKS, UH, KURT HARRIS IS HERE.
ANY LEGAL QUESTIONS? UH, KURT CHRISTENSEN AND I ARE HERE, UH, BUT I'LL JUST LET UH, THEM TAKE IT AWAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME.
I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING YOUR TIME TO LISTEN TO OUR PROPOSAL.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THE STAFF AT, UH, UM, HERE, ARIZONA HAS BEEN FANTASTIC TO WORK WITH.
WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS, TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT ITERATIONS, AND, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THEIR EFFORT AND TIME AND WILLINGNESS TO, TO WORK THROUGH THIS.
UM, AS, AS SHE WAS JUST SHARING, THERE'S KIND OF TWO SECTIONS TO THIS PROPOSAL.
YOU HAVE ONE, WHICH IS THE MUNI MUNICIPAL NETWORK.
SO, AND WHAT THAT IS, IS WE WOULD BE BUILDING FIBER TO MUNICIPAL OWNED BUILDINGS, AND YOU WOULD OWN THAT FIBER, BUT WE WOULD BE PAYING TO BUILD IT ALL.
AND THAT'S WHERE THAT EXCHANGE HAPPENS, WHERE WE GET SOME RIGHT OF WAY FEES, UM, WAIVED IN ORDER TO BUILD THAT NETWORK AND GIVE IT TO YOU.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE WOULD ALSO BE BUILDING A NEW FIBER NETWORK.
THAT WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE THEN SUPPLYING INTERNET TO THE RESIDENTS.
AND SO WE'LL GO THROUGH A FEW SLIDES, I'LL GO THROUGH THEM PRETTY QUICKLY.
I KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'LL BE COMPRESSED ON TIME, BUT JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON OUR COMPANY AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHUCK AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, ECOM WAS, UH, FOUNDED IN 1956 IN KINGMAN, ARIZONA.
SO ECOM HAS BEEN A, UM, ARIZONA BASED SERVICE PROVIDER FOR ALMOST 70 YEARS NOW.
VERY EXPERIENCED WITH EVERYTHING FROM ALL ASPECTS OF ARIZONA, WHETHER IT BE WORKING IN FLAGSTAFF WITH ONE OF THE SNOWIEST CITIES TO WORKING ALL THE WAY DOWN IN PINAL COUNTY, WHETHER IT'S POTENTIALLY HOTTER IN A LOT OF SAND.
SO WE'RE VERY EXPERIENCED IN WHAT IT TAKES TO DO CONSTRUCTION IN THE ARIZONA TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTS AND WHAT IT IT REQUIRES TO BE SUCCESSFUL DOING THAT.
UM, WE'VE BEEN IN, IN CONSTRUCTION, NOT IN CONSTRUCTION, IN TELECOMMUNICATIONS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF OUR COMPANY, AND WE'VE CONTINUED TO EVOLVE AS, AS TELECOMMUNICATIONS HAVE HAS EVOLVED THROUGHOUT
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TIME.UM, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND SKIP THROUGH THIS SLIDE AND KIND OF GET MORE TO THE MEAT OF IT.
WE'VE FOCUSED ON WHAT WE CALL THIS OUTSIDE IN APPROACH FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW.
STARTING ABOUT 18 YEARS AGO, WE STARTED TO LOOK AT THE STATE AND SAY, THERE IS A LOT OF THE POPULATION THAT IS NOT BEING SERVED.
THEY EITHER LIVE IN A, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A RURAL AREA, OR THEY'RE SOMEWHAT OUTSIDE OF TOWN, OR WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NOW DEEMED AS UN AND UNDERSERVED.
AND SO WE STARTED THIS EFFORT AROUND 18 YEARS AGO TO START TO BRIDGE THE DIGITAL DIVIDE OR BUILD A SERVICE PROVIDER NETWORK THAT ACTUALLY ADDRESSES THE AREAS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF TOWN.
YOUR MAJOR METROPOLITANS, YOUR PHOENIXES, YOUR LAS VEGAS, ET CETERA.
THEY NORMALLY HAVE PRETTY GOOD SERVICE, BUT NOBODY WAS REALLY ADDRESSING THESE OTHER AREAS.
AND SO THAT WAS SOMETHING, A MISSION WE STARTED AROUND 18 YEARS AGO, AND WE'VE CONTINUED TO PROGRESS THROUGH THAT.
AND YOU SEE, KIND OF JUST ON THIS SLIDE, A FEW OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS.
WE'VE WORKED WITH THE STATE TO DO A, A PROJECT THERE THAT WAS AROUND $45 MILLION, ABOUT $10 MILLION IN GRANT MONEY.
WE DID ANOTHER ONE HERE IN YAVAPAI COUNTY THAT WAS AROUND A $21 MILLION PROJECT.
WE GOT ABOUT $8 MILLION IN GRANT MONEY AND WE PUT IN THE OTHER 13.
WE'VE CONTINUED TO BUILD, WE'RE BUILDING PRESCOTT VALLEY, WE'RE BUILDING PRESCOTT, FLAGSTAFF, A LOT OF SMALL TOWNS ALL ALONG THE WAY WE'VE BEEN REBUILDING THE ENTIRE LA PA COUNTY, WHICH WAS EXTREMELY UNDERSERVED AND REALLY KIND OF KEEPING IT THAT MISSION TO, TO BRIDGE THAT DIGITAL DIVIDE ACROSS ALL OF ARIZONA.
ONE OF THE SAYINGS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR COMPANY IS WHERE YOU LIVE AT SHOULD NOT DETERMINE IF YOU CAN GET BROADBAND SERVICE.
AND SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO LIVE BY THAT, THAT MOTTO OVER THE LAST 18 YEARS AND REALLY QUITE A BIT OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.
WE CAN, OR AS WE FOCUS ON OUR FIBER BUILD, UM, PRESENTLY WE HAVE WHAT IS APPROXIMATELY 130,000 LOCATIONS IN CONSTRUCTION.
AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THERE'S AROUND 130,000 HOUSEHOLDS IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA THAT WE'RE PRESENTLY BUILDING FIBER TWO, THAT'S WHAT WE CALL PHASE ONE.
AND PHASE TWO IS WHEN WE GO TO THE NEXT, WHICH IS AROUND ANOTHER 150,000 HOMES THAT WE'LL BE BUILDING FIBER TWO, I WOULD SAY HALF OR MORE OF THOSE ARE IN WHAT THEY WOULD CALL AN UN UNDERSERVED MARKETS OR THEY HAVE VERY POOR SERVICENOW.
ONE THING I I, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ON THIS SLIDE, AND WE WON'T GO THROUGH EVERY, EVERY LITTLE ICON, IS OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS, I WOULD SAY HAS ALWAYS SET WE COME APART FROM OTHER PROVIDERS, AND THAT'S REALLY MADE US SUCCESSFUL OVER THE LAST 70 YEARS, IS WE LOOK AT OURSELVES AS A LOCAL COMPANY THAT'S A TRUE PARTNER TO THAT COMMUNITY.
SO NOT ONLY DO WE GO AS FAR AS, ALL RIGHT, WELL LET'S PARTICIPATE IN, YOU KNOW, FOOD DRIVES AND TOYS FOR TOTS AND GIVING TO BASEBALL TEAMS AND THE RODEO AND SO FORTH.
BUT WE LOOK AT OURSELVES AS A BIGGER PARTNER AS BEING ABLE TO TRAIN PEOPLE WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE HAVE HIGH PAYING JOBS AND WE HAVE TRAINING PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH AT THE STATE TO BE ABLE TO COME AND YOU GET A FREE SIX WEEK COURSE ON HOW TO BECOME A FIBER SPLICER, HOW TO BECOME A TECHNICIAN AND INSTALLER.
AND THESE ARE ALL HIGHER PAYING JOBS THAT WE CAN, THAT WE BRING TO THE COMMUNITY THAT CAN GO ANYWHERE FROM 50,000 TO $150,000 A YEAR OFTEN FOR SOMEONE WHO DIDN'T GO THROUGH AND GET A FULL COLLEGE EDUCATION.
AND SO WE TRY TO LOOK AT OURSELVES AS A TRUE COMMUNITY PARTNER, NOT ONLY BRINGING JOBS, BUT BEING, BEING SOMEBODY THAT HELPS THE COMMUNITY BE SOMETHING BETTER.
WE WANT TO BE RESPECTED AND WE'LL BE HERE FOR THE NEXT A HUNDRED YEARS.
AND SO WE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO THAT.
AND I THINK BEING A LOCAL COMPANY THAT'S GROWN UP IN ARIZONA HAS PUT US IN A U UNIQUE POSITION TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN GIVE BACK.
JUST KEEP GOING THROUGH ALL THESE.
UM, ACTUALLY I WANT TO JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND THEN COME BACKWARDS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR ARE YOU GUYS, AND MAYBE YOU'RE NOT, SO I'LL JUST KIND OF BREEZE THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT.
THERE WAS A PROGRAM CALLED BEAD, WHICH WAS A FEDERAL GRANT PROGRAM THAT WAS DEVELOPED TO HELP COMPANIES FINISH BRIDGING THE DIGITAL DIVIDE IN STATES.
SO WHEN YOU BUILD TO A RURAL AREA, IT IS OFTEN 15 TO 20 TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE THAN IF I BUILD IN A, AT A METROPOLITAN LOCATION.
AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE DENSITY OF THE HOME.
SO I CAN BUILD A, A ONE MILE AREA AND I COULD PASS THOUSANDS OF HOMES, OR I CAN BUILD ONE MILE AND PASS 50 HOMES.
AND THAT MEANS YOUR COST PER PASSING IS VERY HIGH AND THEN IT'S BECOMES VERY HARD TO DO BUSINESS.
SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAME OUT WITH THIS PROGRAM TO GIVE OUT GRANT MONEY TO HELP COMPANIES BUILD IN THESE VERY RURAL OR EXPENSIVE AREAS AND FINISH THE BRIDGING OF THAT DIGITAL DIVIDE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED WAS SEDONA ORIGINALLY WAS GOING TO BE FULLY FUNDED VIA THIS GRANT PROGRAM.
SO WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS A COMPANY LIKE MINE WOULD THEN BID ON THAT AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MIGHT SAY, OKAY, WELL WE'LL GIVE YOU HALF THE MONEY AND YOU HAVE TO PUT IN HALF THE MONEY.
UNFORTUNATELY, EVERY HOME BESIDE THERE WAS 1300 HOMES IN THE SEDONA AREA THAT WERE LEFT IN THE PROGRAM AND EVERYTHING ELSE WAS TAKEN OUT, WHICH MEANS THAT FOR MOST COMPANIES, THEY THEN BACKED OFF AND SAID, WE'RE NO LONGER
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GOING TO MOVE FORWARD TRYING TO BID OR DO ANYTHING IN SEDONA BECAUSE IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE.OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS ARE VERY FAMILIAR.
IT'S, IT'S HARD TO BUILD HERE.
IT'S EXTREMELY ROCKY, PUT ANYTHING IN THE GROUND, COSTS A LOT OF MONEY.
SO AS WE LOOKED AT THIS, WE SAID, OKAY, WELL THERE'S 1300 HOMES THAT ARE STILL ELIGIBLE.
IF WE WON THAT GRANT, CAN WE FUND THE REST OF IT WITH OUR OWN MONEY? AND SEE, WE CAME UP WITH THE PROGRAM AND WE SAID YES.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, YES, WE WILL, WE'RE WORKING WITH FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
WE DID WIN THAT STATE GRANT FOR THE 1300 HOMES, BUT THE REMAINDER OF THE BILL, WE WOULD JUST BE PAYING FOR OUT OF POCKET.
AND SO WE WENT BACK TO OUR BOARD, WE GOT APPROVAL AND WE GOT THE FUNDING TO BUILD THE REST OF SEDONA WITH OUR OWN MONEY.
AND SO COMING TO GUYS TODAY IS THE REQUEST FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY LICENSE THAT ALLOWS US TO USE THOSE, THE PUBLIC UTILITY RIGHT OF WAY, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER UTILITY, YOUR, YOUR, UM, POWER OR WATER, ET CETERA WOULD BE IN FOR US TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THAT FIBER NETWORK THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF SEDONA.
AT THE SAME TIME, AS I MENTIONED TO START THE, THE PRESENTATION, WE WOULD BE BUILDING A FIBER NETWORK THAT WE WOULD BE THEN GIVING TO THE CITY, UM, TO CONNECT THE CITY BUILDINGS TOGETHER.
SO YOU GUYS HAVE MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS, FIRE DEPARTMENTS, WASTEWATER, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU NEED YOUR OWN NETWORK CONNECTING THOSE TOGETHER.
SO WE'D BE BUILDING THAT AT THE EXACT SAME TIME THEN IN AS GIVING THAT TO YOU GUYS.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRADE IS SOME OF OUR RIGHT OF WAY FEES AND SO FORTH WOULD BE WAIVED IN ORDER FOR US TO DO THAT.
UM, ONE, I DO WANT TO TAKE ONE SECOND TO KIND OF GO OVER WHAT WE CALL THE GO TO MARKET PLAN.
AND THERE, I BELIEVE THIS IS AN IMPORTANT STEP, UM, OR AT LEAST AN IMPORTANT STEP FOR EVERYONE TO BE AWARE OF BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS OFTEN AS WE DO CONSTRUCTION AND WE'RE DOING THIS ALL OVER THE STATE AND OUR PARTNERS DO IT ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES, IS THERE CAN OFTEN BE CONFUSION, UM, DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.
AND THE LAST THING THAT WE WANT IS TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE CALLING YOU GUYS CONCERNED ABOUT SOMETHING AND YOU HAVE AN UPTICK IN WORK THAT YOU DON'T REALLY NEED.
AND SO WE HAVE A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE GO-TO MARKET PLAN THAT DOES EVERYTHING FROM 30 OR 45 DAYS BEFORE CONSTRUCTION.
WE'LL START TO SEND MAILERS OUT TO ALL THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THAT AREA.
WE'LL THEN GO DO DOOR HANGERS WHERE WE PHYSICALLY GO STICK DOOR HANGERS OUT THERE.
WE WILL HAVE SANDWICH BOARDS AND THESE WILL DO EVERYTHING FROM EXPLAINING WHAT THE COLOR PAINT MEANS ON THE GROUND.
'CAUSE AS WE CALL 8 1 1 AND THEY HAVE TO COME OUT AND MARK THE UTILITIES, EACH COLOR MEANS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO IT'LL EXPLAIN ON THERE EXACTLY WHAT DO THE COLORS MEAN, IT EXPLAINS WHAT IS A RIGHT OF WAY, WHY ARE WE ALLOWED TO WORK WITHIN THIS AREA.
'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WE'VE RUN ACROSS, ESPECIALLY IN FLAGSTAFF, WHERE A RESIDENT BELIEVES THEY OWN EVERYTHING ALL THE WAY INTO THE STREET.
AND SO IF THEY SEE YOU WORKING, THEY THINK YOU'RE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND SO WE HAVE AN ENTIRE PROCESS THAT GOES THROUGH AND EXPLAINS THESE ITEMS. WE SET UP A WEBSITE SPECIFIC FOR THAT LOCATION SO THEY CAN GET ON, THEY CAN SEND IN COMPLAINTS, THEY CAN SEND IN QUESTIONS, THEY CAN DO EVERYTHING AND TRY TO TAKE THAT ANY EXTRA WORKLOAD THAT COULD BE CREATED.
SO THEY'RE NOT CALLING YOU GUYS, THEY'RE CALLING US AND WE CAN HELP EXPLAIN THAT AND TAKE CARE OF IT.
SO WE HAVE AN ENTIRE GO TO MARKET PLAN THAT TAKES PRE-CONSTRUCTION THROUGH CONSTRUCTION, THROUGH RESTORATION, THROUGH SALES, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING THE WHOLE TIME.
AND WE WORK WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BEING GOOD PARTNERS AND WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO EXPLAIN IT AS WE GO ALONG.
I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT PHOTOS OF WHAT THEY ARE.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF MAKE EVERYONE AWARE OF THAT.
'CAUSE I DO BELIEVE IT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT STEP IN THAT COMMUNICATION PROCESS.
UM, I THINK AT THAT POINT REALLY I'LL PROBABLY STOP AND DON'T WANT TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON EVERY SLIDE AND TURN IT OVER TO YOU THEN.
DO YOU NEED US, DO YOU WANT ME TO SWITCH WITH YOU? IT MIGHT BE EASIER.
UH, THIS IS THE PROPOSED 20 YEAR CITYWIDE, UH, RIGHT OF WAY LICENSE AGREEMENT, FRANCHISE AGREEMENT, UH, WITH
WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS A CITY OWNED FIBER NETWORK.
UM, THIS WILL BE CITY OWNED, IT'LL BE INDEPENDENT, UH, NETWORK.
IT WILL NOT BE PART OF AN ISP IT, WE SHARE TRAFFIC.
IT WILL BE FIBER BETWEEN VARIOUS LOCATIONS.
THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS TO THIS.
UH, ONE OF 'EM IS, UH, VASTLY SUPERIOR SYMMETRICAL SPEEDS, UM, OF UP TO A HUNDRED PLUS GIGABITS PER SECOND.
UM, GIVE YOU AN IDEA, ARE BUILDINGS HERE ON COMPLEX, UM, HAVE 10 MEGABITS BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND FIBER? UH, SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'LL BE THE FASTEST THING.
WE HAVE MORE OR LESS WE'LL BE CAPABLE OF HIGH SPEED BACKUPS TO REMOTE LOCATIONS, UH, TAKING MINUTES INSTEAD OF HOURS RIGHT NOW.
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UM, IT TAKES HOURS TO BACK EVERYTHING UP AND WE SCHEDULE THAT AT NIGHT.UM, WE CANNOT DO SMALLER INCREMENTS, UH, JUST BECAUSE IT TAKES SO LONG.
UH, BUT WITH THIS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO, UM, AT LEAST 15 MINUTE BACKUPS.
AND WE'RE LOOKING, WE'LL LOOK INTO ONCE WE GET EVERYTHING RUNNING, UH, POSSIBLY FIVE MINUTE BACKUPS.
AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW, IF IT'S, UM, EVERY 24 HOURS, IF, UM, OUR ERP GOES DOWN CURRENT ERP OR UM, PD CAD, SPILLMAN, UM, IF ANY OF THAT GOES DOWN, THEY HAVE TO REBUILD 24 HOURS RATHER THAN FIVE MINUTES.
THIS WOULD, UM, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT A WARM FAIL OVERSIGHT OVER AT BREWER ROAD FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SLOWLY BUILDING IT.
UM, WE'VE BEEN TAKING PARTS THAT WE'VE, UH, UM, REFRESHED, UM, A LITTLE BIT OUT OF, UH, UPDATE, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON BUILDING A WHOLE NEW CENTER, UM, OUT THERE.
AND, UH, THIS WOULD MAKE THAT FAIL OVERSIGHT FAR MORE ROBUST.
UM, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, UM, WE'RE CALLING A WARM FAIL OVER.
IT WILL NOT AUTOMATICALLY SWITCH OVER.
ONE OF US IN IT IS GONNA MORE OR LESS FLIP A SWITCH.
THERE'S A FEW SWITCHES JUST TO, FOR SECURITY AND A, UM, BRING THAT UP AND RUNNING.
IT WILL HAVE PROBABLY WITHIN A FIVE MINUTE BACKUP INSTEAD OF 24 HOURS.
AND THE SPEEDS BETWEEN HERE AND BREWER ROAD, UM, THERE CAN BE FASTER THAN THE SPEEDS BETWEEN THIS BUILDING AND IT OVER THERE.
UH, SO IT'LL BE AS IF, UM, WHATEVER SITE WE'RE RUNNING OFF OF, WHETHER IT'S AT BREWER ROW FOR EMERGENCIES OR HERE CITY EMPLOYEES WON'T SEE A SPEED DIFFERENCE.
UM, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE FAR MORE PRODUCTIVE.
UH, VERY LOW LATENCY, UH, PACKET ERRORS.
UH, WHEN YOU SHARE, UM, A CONNECTION WITH, UH, THROUGH AN ISP CURRENTLY, WE HAVE MANY ISPS GOING DOWN TO ALL THESE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
NOT ALL OF 'EM, BUT A GOOD PORTION OF THEM.
UH, WE HAVE TO CREATE A VPN TUNNEL THROUGH IT, AND YOU'RE SHARING ALL THAT BANDWIDTH WITH EVERYONE ELSE IN THE CITY.
UM, AND THAT CAN CAUSE SOME PACKET ERRORS AND PACKERS AND, UM, UH, AND LA LATENCY ISSUES.
THIS WILL PRETTY MUCH ELIMINATE THAT.
UM, AND IT'S GONNA HAVE HIGH SPEED RELIABILITY.
OTHER BENEFITS ARE FUTUREPROOF INFRASTRUCTURE FOR, UH, BANDWIDTH, SPEED AND LONGEVITY.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING OFF, OFF THE, UH, WEB PREDICTING AT LEAST 40 YEARS AT THOSE SPEEDS.
UM, I COULD SEE A LOT ISOLATED NETWORK FROM SHARED ISP CONNECTIONS.
ONCE AGAIN, IT'S GONNA BE OUR OWN NETWORK, KIND OF LIKE, UH, THE, THE LITTLE NETWORK WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY COMPLEX.
THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH FIREWALLS TO GET TO IT.
NOW IF WE'RE CONNECTED THROUGH ISPS, IT'S RIGHT OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ENCRYPTED, BUT IT'S RIGHT OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE AN ATTEMPT.
UH, CURRENTLY WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH ISPS THROTTLING OUR SERVICE.
UM, I HAVE ON A PERSONAL LEVEL WITH MY PERSONAL STUFF, ONCE YOU GO OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DATA, UM, ISPS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO, TO, UH, DO THAT.
WE ALREADY HAVE THE HARDWARE TO RUN IT ALL.
INTERNET TRAFFIC CAN BE SENT THROUGH ONE ISP CONNECTION WITH A SECONDARY BACKUP TO ANOTHER.
UH, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT IS HAVE TWO, WELL, HAVING THE MAIN HUB BEING THE CITY HALL COMPLEX AND THE BACKUP PLACE, OBVIOUSLY BREW ROAD AND A STRONG ENOUGH ISP CONNECTION IN BOTH LOCATIONS, UM, THAT COULD HANDLE THE FULL TRAFFIC.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE FOR REDUNDANCY IN CASE ONE GOES DOWN, WE GOT THE OTHER, AND I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES JUST IN CASE ONE WANTS A WHOLE COMPANY GOING DOWN.
UM, BUT THAT ALSO NOT ONLY DOES THE, UH, UH, THAT REDUNDANCY, BUT ALSO DOES LOW BALANCING.
SO IN TIMES OF EXTREME PEAK, UH, WE CAN TAKE, YOU KNOW, PORTION OF THE TRAFFIC CENTER OUT THIS WAY, PORTION OF TRAFFIC CENTER OUT THAT WAY.
AND THIS, UH, CITY OWNED FIBER NETWORK CAN EASILY HANDLE IT.
WE'D ALSO BE ABLE TO CONSOLIDATE COSTLY VIDEO SURVEILLANCE STORAGE DEVICES AND SERVERS.
UM, VIDEO TAKES A LOT OF BANDWIDTH.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE MANY CAMERAS AT ONE LOCATION, UM, WE JUST CAN'T AFFORD THE, THE ISP CONNECTION TO, UH, BRINGING THAT ALL BACK.
SO A LOT OF THESE PLACES HAVE THEIR OWN HARDWARE, UH, AND AND SUCH JUST TO STORE IT LOCALLY.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO CONSOLIDATE THAT ALL BACK HERE AT CITY COMPLEX AT THOSE FEEDS.
WE, WE CAN PIPE ALL THE VIDEOS
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STRAIGHT BACK TO MORE ROBUST SERVERS AND SAVE SOME COSTS OUT THERE.THE CONNECTION OUT TO THE WASTEWATER IS GONNA BE CRITICAL TO THE, UH, FUTURE TRANSIT SITE.
FUTURE TRANSIT SITE'S GONNA BE HEAVILY, UH, VIDEO INTENSIVE, HEAVY INTERNET, UH, INTENSIVE.
UH, IT'S, IT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT.
WE REALLY HELP THEM OUT A LOT.
IF WE HAD THAT A HUNDRED PLUS GIG CONNECTION BACK TO THE CITY COMPLEX.
ALSO, BREWER ROAD WOULD GREATLY BENEFIT WITH THE AMOUNT OF STAFF.
THERE'S QUITE A FEW STAFF THERE AT THIS POINT.
AND RIGHT NOW THEY, THEY'LL NOTICE SOME SPEED DIFFERENCES VERSUS WORKING HERE AT CITY HALL.
PROPOSED LOCATIONS INCLUDE, UH, CITY HALL CAMPUS THAT'S HERE.
THAT'LL BE OUR, OUR MAIN HUB POSSE GROUNDS.
UH, I DID LIST WHAT IN THIS SLIDE, THE TYPE OF CONNECTION IN SPEED AND APPROXIMATE COST PER YEAR.
UH, POT OF GROUNDS ON THAT ONE.
UM, AND YOU LOOK AT IT AND GO 800 MEGABITS PER SECOND.
BUT YOU GET A TREE BRANCH, GET IN THE WAY, IT DIES.
YOU GET A LITTLE STORM COMING, IT DIES.
DEFINITELY WOULD NOT PUT ANYTHING CRITICAL ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, BREWER ROAD, THAT'S, UM, AN ISP CONNECTION, THAT'S ANOTHER 300 MEGABIT SQUARE.
WE PAY A LITTLE LESS OUT THERE THAN WE DO FOR THE, UH, MAIN COMPLEX.
THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S TWO DIFFERENT VENDORS.
VENDORS CHARGE DIFFERENT, UH, RATES.
THAT'S ANOTHER CITY OWNED RADIO.
AND THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT IS VERY UNRELIABLE.
UH, CITY BUILDING AT THE Y, ALSO KNOWN AS A CHEVRON THAT'S GOT A 500 MEGABIT, UH, DOWN 20 MEGABIT UP.
UH, I KNOW I HEARD THE OTHER DAY THAT CENTURYLINK IS NO LONGER YOUR SUPPORT COPPER.
WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS THEY'RE NOT GONNA PULL ANY MORE COPPER.
SO BASICALLY WHEN THAT CONNECTION DIES, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT, UM, AN ISP FIBER OUT THERE WITHOUT THIS PART AND GARAGE.
WE'RE GONNA BE DOING A HUNDRED MEGABIT SQUARE ESTIMATED AT, UH, 45,000 A YEAR.
IT'S JUST ESTIMATES BECAUSE IT'S NOT BUILT YET.
UH, BUT WE GET SOME PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF THE COST WASTEWATER.
UH, WE USE A MICROWAVE, UH, DISH.
WE, UM, HAVE A DISH ON TOP OF THE IT BUILDING THAT BOUNCES OFF, UH, THE DOMINGUEZ MOUNTAIN AND, UH, COMES BACK TO WASTEWATER.
WE, WE HAVE A LINE OF SIGHT, UH, THROUGH ALL THOSE.
IT CAN TAKE, UH, NORMAL STORMS. BUT IF YOU GET, UM, A MONSTER CELL COME THROUGH, AND THAT HAPPENS ONCE IN A WHILE DURING MONSOONS, UH, THE CONNECTION DOES GO DOWN AND WESTER GATEWAY, UM, THAT'S THROWN IN.
SO WE'RE, BUT WE'RE PLANNING ON, UH, IF IT HAD AN ISP CONNECTION, WE'D PROBABLY LOOK AT 300 MEGABITS.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME PRICE AS EITHER THE CITY COMPLEX OR, UH, UH, BREWER ROAD.
UM, BUT ALL THESE WOULD BE CONNECTED, UH, BY THE CITY OWNED FIBER.
THE COST TO INSTALL CITY FIBER NETWORK, UM, I'M GONNA GUESS IS AROUND FOUR AND A HALF MILLION.
AND, UH, HE'S, THEY'RE GIVING US, UH, VALUE FOR OUR EXISTING CONDUIT, UH, ABOUT 1.3 MILLION.
AND, UH, THAT LEAVES ABOUT, UH, 3.2 MILLION, UH, FOR APPLIED CREDIT, UH, AGAINST THE, UM, UH, FEES OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
UM, IT IS UNLIKELY THAT WE WOULD RECOUP THAT AMOUNT IN FEES OVER THE YEARS.
UH, WHAT WE WOULD NOT BE RECOUPING ON FEES, WE WILL SAVE ON ISP CONNECTIONS AND HARDWARE AND SUCH.
IT'S RUNNING THE NUMBERS AND IT'S ABOUT A WASH BETWEEN THE TWO HERE.
WE TALK ABOUT THE ONGOING, UH, COST SAVINGS FOR THE ISP.
CURRENTLY WE'RE PAYING A LITTLE OVER 52,000 A YEAR FOR ALL THESE CONNECTIONS.
UM, WE'RE GONNA STILL HAVE $22,000 WORTH AND THAT GIVES US ABOUT, UH, $29,000.
AND HERE I GOT FOR FOUR YEARS.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, 20 YEARS, WHICH IS THE TIME OF THIS CONTRACT, THAT IT'S ABOUT 600,000.
UM, AND ONE THING THAT WAS MENTIONED TO ME JUST PRIOR TO THE MEETINGS, UM, WAS WANT TO BE POINTED OUT THAT PART OF THAT CREDIT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE HANDING OVER THE, UM, EXISTING CONDUCT WE HAVE, BUT PART OF THAT IS GONNA BE THAT AFFLUENT PIPE GOING OUT TO WASTEWATER AND JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF THAT.
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I'M JUST GONNA ADD AS WELL THAT UM, WHAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNSEL WAS AWARE OF IT IS THAT IN USING THAT AS CONDUIT, IT WOULD MAKE IT SO THAT YOU CAN'T USE IT IN THE FUTURE, SHOULD YOU WANT TO USE IT TO, TO RETURN WATER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.I KNOW YOU HAVE ALL SAID THAT YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN THAT AT, AT THIS TIME, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO BE TRANSPARENT THAT THAT WAS THE PLAN TO USE THAT, THAT PIPE FOR THAT REASON GOING FORWARD.
OTHER SAVINGS WE CAN'T CALCULATE IS, UM, HARDWARE, VIDEO SURVEILLANCE, RADIOS, MICROWAVES, UM, AND SUCH, UH, EMPLOYER PRODUCTIVITY, WE CAN'T CALCULATE THAT IN.
UM, IF I GAVE IT A DOLLAR VALUE, IT'D BE CLOSE TO WHAT THE WHOLE THING IS COSTING ANYWAY.
WORST CASE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING SOMETHING HAPPENS TO IT, UH, BACKUPS WE'RE GONNA GREATLY BENEFIT WITH THAT.
CAN'T CALCULATE THE COST WITH THAT ONE.
RELIABILITY AND ALSO FUTURE PROOFING.
AND ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME AND OR WE COME.
OTHER QUESTIONS? DEREK? LAUREN, THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THE WATER PIPE.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE COST SAVINGS REALIZED BY USING THAT PIPE AS OPPOSED TO RUNNING A NEW DITCH? I'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T RECOLLECT THE FOOTAGE OF ADDITIONAL CONDUIT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE LAID TO GET FROM ONE POINT TO THE NEXT POINT, UM, IF WE DID NOT UTILIZE THAT CONDUIT.
SO I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND RUN THOSE NUMBERS.
I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IF IT'S HELPFUL.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO ANY.
AND WAS IT 55 BACK? I CAN DO, I, I THINK IT'S FOUR FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TO UPPER RED ROCK LOOP ROAD WHERE IT EXISTS.
SO 4.1 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND YEAH, THE RATE WAS $55 FROM NEW YEARS AGO.
I TRY TO COST HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO RUN FIBER ROUTE TO WASTEWATER? THIS IS BEFORE INFLATION, BEFORE ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
AND THE LOWEST COST I COULD COME UP WITH WAS THREE AND A HALF MILLION.
UM, I KNOW MICRO TRENCHING IS CHEAPER, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY CHEAPER THAN WHAT THINGS COST BACK THEN.
SO I, I WOULD GUESS IN THAT BALLPARK IT'S GONNA BE, I MEAN, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, IT'S GONNA PUSH.
YEAH, IT'LL BE ABOUT A 2.25 TO $2.5 MILLION TO PUT THAT IN.
YEAH, THAT'S ABOUT WHAT I WOULD COME UP WITH OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
AND HOW BIG IS THAT WATER PIPE? 12 INCHES I BELIEVE.
I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO USE THAT PIPE DOESN'T MEAN A FUTURE COUNCIL MIGHT NOT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE RULING OUT THAT POSSIBILITY.
ALTHOUGH I GUESS IF SOMEBODY DID WANT TO USE THE PIPE, I ASSUME THE LINE COULD BE RE RERUN IN THE FUTURE.
THE IT PART IS WAY OVER MY PAY GRADE
BUT, UM, MY QUESTION WOULD BE MORE OF A PROCUREMENT QUESTION.
AND I KNOW WE HAVE RIGHT OF WAY CONTRACTS WITH UTILITIES LIKE A PS THERE IS NO OTHER ELECTRICITY PROVIDER HERE, BUT I ASSUME YOU HAVE COMPETITORS.
AND HOW IS IT THAT WE, THIS WOULD BE A SOLE SOURCE CONTRACT OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A CONTRACT.
SO WE'RE BUILDING, SO IT IS NOT A SOLE SOURCE CONTRACT LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE BUILDING FOR THE RESIDENTS AS A PROVIDER.
OR ANY OTHER COMPETITOR THAT WOULD BE OUT THERE, WHICH YOU HAVE RIGHT OF WAY LICENSES FOR THOSE COMPETITORS ALREADY.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN OURS IS THAT WE WERE OFFERING AN IN-KIND TRADE THAT SAYS WE WILL PUT UP THE MONEY TO BUILD YOUR ENTIRE NETWORK THAT YOU WANT.
AND IN RETURN THE FEES YOU WOULD NORMALLY CHARGE US, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHARGE US.
THAT'S, SO IT'S NOT A SOLE SOURCING ITEM AS MUCH AS IT'S JUST AN IN-KIND TRADE THERE.
I MEAN, THE OPPOSITE WOULD BE IF YOU WANTED THE NETWORK, YOU COULD JUST PAY FOR IT AND THEN WE WOULD PAY THE FEES, BUT THEY WOULD WASH EACH OTHER OUT.
SO, BUT, BUT THERE ARE OTHER COMPANIES IN THE SAME BUSINESS AS YOU? YES, AND WE ARE, IF WE GO DOWN THIS ROAD, WE ARE NOT CONSIDERING THEM, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT I'VE DONE
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THIS IN PROBABLY 15 PLUS LOCATIONS AND I'VE NEVER HAD TO, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A COMPETITIVE PROCESS.WE'VE NEVER HAD TO DO A, A COMPETITIVE BID AND THAT I'VE EVER DONE BEFORE.
SO NOW I'M NOT GONNA SAY I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SEDONA PROCUREMENT LAW THOUGH, SO THAT WOULD BE, I MEAN, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE THAT TO THAT MIKE? SO I CAN RESPOND? UH, COUNCILLOR HOI, UM, COUNSELORS, THIS IS A, A NON-EXCLUSIVE LICENSE FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO OTHER FIBER COMPANIES COULD APPROACH THE CITY AND ALSO REQUEST A, UH, 20 YEAR, UH, RIGHT OF WAY LICENSE AND INSTALL THEIR OWN FIBER IN THE CITY AS WELL.
UM, I KNOW THAT'S NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE IN KIND FOR WAIVING THE FEES, UM, BUT WE, WE'VE HAD, UM, NO OTHER INTEREST ALSO.
I WOULD, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE, WELL, I KNOW YOU WEREN'T ON COUNCIL AT THE TIME, BUT THE CITY DID DO A COMPETITIVE PROCESS, UM, ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO DURING THE BEAD PROCESS.
AND UH, WE COM DID PROVIDE A SUBMITTAL FOR THAT, THAT PROCESS.
AND THEY WERE, UH, RATED, UH, THE, UH, THE SECOND CHOICE, BUT THE FIRST CHOICE, UH, IS NOT INSTALLING FIBER RIGHT NOW.
SO WE, WE DID DO A, A COMPETITIVE PROCESS.
IT, I MEAN, IT'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES, BUT THERE IS SOME, UH, HISTORY THERE.
SO KURT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT.
NO, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
AND ALSO, UH, WE COME, WAS SELECTED THROUGH A COMPETITIVE PROCESS AWARDED BEAD HERE IN THIS AREA AS WELL BY THE STATE.
WELL, IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY KIND OF, UM, PROCUREMENT OR LEGAL ISSUE WITH IT, IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE STRONG.
I ASSUME YOU CAME TO THE CITY, WE DIDN'T GO TO YOU.
SO WE CAME TO THE CITY WITH THE CONCEPT OF BILLING FIBER FOR THE RESIDENTS.
AND THEN WHEN IT CAME TO WORKING THROUGH THE RIGHT OF WAY AGREEMENT, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT YOU GUYS ALSO NEED FIBER BETWEEN YOUR BUILDINGS AND THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION OF WHAT WOULD THAT COST TO ADD THESE ITEMS IN.
AND WE OFFERED, WE COULD JUST DO IT AS AN IN-KIND TRADE.
SO NO ONE HAS TO COME UP WITH THE, THE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR IT.
BUT OUR INITIAL APPROACH WAS TO BUILD, TO GET A RIGHT OF AWAY LICENSE TO BUILD FIBER FOR THE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA, WHICH WOULD BE, AS SHE MENTIONED, ANY OTHER PROVIDER CAN DO.
THEIR COMPETITORS HAVE IT RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY ARE COMING IN TO COMPETE AGAINST SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S ALREADY HERE, BUT OTHER PEOPLE CAN DO THE EXACT SAME THING AND COME IN AND APPLY FOR RIGHT OF AWAY LICENSE.
SO THEN IT WORKED ITS WAY THROUGH WITH LIKE I SAID, THAT THERE WAS QUESTIONS, WELL HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO ADD A BUILDING IN THAT WE NEED OR THIS, AND WE SAID WE CAN DO THIS AS AN IN KIND TRADE INSTEAD OF PAYING FOR IT IF YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN THAT.
SO, AND THE NETWORK THAT YOU WOULD BE PUTTING IN FOR THE PUBLIC IS FOR THE 1300 HOMES OR LOCATIONS? NO, OR IT WOULD BE FOR EVERYBODY.
SO WE'RE ALSO BUILDING EVERYTHING OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS ALSO.
UH, ONE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, IF YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, PER THE COUNCIL PACKET, THE, UH, THE CREDIT TO ECOMM IS UH, $3.249 MILLION.
SO, UH, THE CITY WOULD NOT BE PROVIDING, UM, ANY FUNDS TO, TO ECOM THE MONEY THAT WE WOULD, UH, WAIVE IN THE PERMIT FEES LIKELY OVER THE COURSE OF THE 20 YEAR RIGHT OF WAY LICENSE WOULD NOT COME ANYWHERE NEAR THAT $3.249 MILLION.
AND AT THE END OF THAT 20 YEARS, UH, ECOM WOULD FORFEIT ANY OF THAT CREDIT THAT WAS STILL AVAILABLE TO THE CITY OF SEDONA.
SO, UH, I, UH, IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THAT MUCH, UH, IN CREDITS FROM THE FEES WE WOULD NOT.
SO ABS YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY GETTING TECHNICALLY THE NETWORK AT A SUBSTANTIALLY DISCOUNTED AMOUNT BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT USE UP ALL THE CREDIT.
SO KATHY, MONIQUE, COULD YOU, COULD YOU, UH, GO A LITTLE MORE INTO THAT, THE THREE, UH, 0.249, UH, THAT WOULD BE WAIVED? WHAT IS THAT TIMELINE? YOU SAID THAT WE WON'T REACH THAT AMOUNT TO 20 YEARS, SO WE WOULDN'T ACTUALLY BE FOREGOING 3,249,000 OR, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE TIMEFRAME HERE.
SO THE 3.249, UM, MILLION DOLLARS CREDIT, IF YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THAT ON A 20 YEAR BASIS, IT AVERAGES OUT TO, UH, LIKE $162,000 PER YEAR.
SO THE, UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY FEE THAT WE COME, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS, UH, INCOME TRADE IS 3% OF THEIR GROSS REVENUES.
SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE, WE COME, YOU KNOW, QUITE SOME TIME TO GET THEIR FIBER, UH, NETWORK UP AND RUNNING TO MAKE AVAILABLE TO RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES.
BUT EVEN, YOU KNOW, JUST DOING SOME ROUGH MATH, SAY, YOU KNOW, $200 ON AVERAGE, UH, 6,000 CUSTOMERS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, IT JUST, IT DOESN'T, IT COMES FAR SHORT OF THAT $162,000 PER YEAR.
THE FEES THAT WE WOULD BE WAIVING THE RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT FEE IS, I BELIEVE KURT HARRIS I THINK IS HERE.
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IS $125 A YEAR.SO WE WOULDN'T GET THE 3%, WE WOULDN'T GET $125 PER YEAR.
UH, SOME, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING FEES.
SO AT THE MOST, IT, IT APPEARED TO ME WHEN I DID SOME ROUGH MATH, IT WOULD BE ABOUT $17,000 A YEAR THAT THE CITY WOULD BE WAIVING, GIVE OR TAKE.
I MEAN, OVER TIME IT'S GONNA BE MORE 17,000, UM, VERSUS THE 162,000.
SO IT, IT'S, IT IS QUITE THE, THE OFFSET.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
OKAY, SO IT'S NOT CLEAR FROM THE PRESENTATION MATERIALS THAT, THAT THIS IS ALL THAT SIMULTANEOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA BUILD FIBER THROUGHOUT SEDONA, THAT THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE I'VE HEARD NOW, CORRECT.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY SIMULTANEOUSLY? I GUESS, CAN YOU VERIFY THAT QUESTION? WELL, THE PRESENTATION MATERIALS MAKE IT SEEM LIKE YOU'RE GONNA BUILD OUT A NETWORK, THIS PRIVATE NETWORK ESSENTIALLY FOR THE CITY OPERATIONS, BUT THEN IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY WHAT'S HAPPENING FOR THE RESIDENTS.
AND WHAT I BELIEVE I HEARD YOU SAY DURING YOUR PRESENTATION WAS SIMULTANEOUSLY YOU'RE BUILDING A NETWORK IN SEDONA.
YOU ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.
SO THE WAY THAT THE PROCESS WORKS IS WE DESIGN THE IN THE CITY AND THEN WE BREAK IT DOWN INTO SECTIONS.
WE WANT TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY IMPACT AS SMALL AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE BREAK IT DOWN INTO SECTIONS AND WE PERMIT THAT SECTION.
WHEN WE BUILD A SECTION, WE WILL BUILD BOTH THE PRIVATE NETWORK THAT WE ARE, THAT WE WILL BE USING TO SUPPLY TO THE RESIDENTS AND THE CITY OWNED NETWORK AT THE EXACT SAME TIME.
AND SO AS WE BUILD A SECTION AND WE FINISH THE CITY NETWORK, WE HAND IT OVER TO THE CITY AND WE KEEP OURS AND WE'LL START TO SELL AND BRING PEOPLE ONLINE.
AND SO AS WE BUILD THE SECTIONS, WE DO THEM AND WHAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR LIGHT ORDER SO WE CAN LIGHT THEM UP AND ACTUALLY BRING CUSTOMERS ONLINE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
UM, BUT THEN WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT UNTIL THE WHOLE NETWORK IS BUILT AND THEY'LL ALL BE, YES.
SO BOTH SECTIONS ARE BOTH AT THE SAME TIME AND TURNED UP AND HANDED OVER AT THE SAME TIME.
AND IF COUNSEL TODAY GREEN LIGHTS THIS, HOW SOON ARE YOU MICRO TRENCHING AND WHEN IS THE FIRST RESIDENTIAL HOUSE GETTING LIT UP AND WHEN IS THE LAST GETTING LIT UP APPROXIMATELY? SO OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE OUR FIRST PERMITS TO THE CITY WITHIN 45 DAYS.
UM, NOW NORMALLY THE FIRST PERMITS ARE WHAT TAKE THE LONGEST BECAUSE WE'LL GO BACK AND FORTH TO TRY TO DESIGN A TEMPLATE THAT THE, THAT THE ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS ACCEPTS SO THAT IT'S KIND OF A RINSE AND REPEAT AFTER THAT AND IT MAKES IT EXTREMELY SIMPLE GOING FORWARD.
SO THE FIRST ONE GENERALLY TAKES THE LONGEST, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE IN CONSTRUCTION WITHIN 90 DAYS.
UM, NORMALLY A PROJECT AREA LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, WE WILL FINISH WITHIN 20 TO 45 DAYS DEPENDING ON HOW BIG IT IS AND WE'LL START TO TURN UP CUSTOMERS.
SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT, LET'S SAY HAVING THE FIRST CUSTOMERS ONLINE IN APPROXIMATELY THREE MONTHS, GIVE OR TAKE THREE TO FOUR MONTHS.
THE WHOLE PROJECT WE HAVE SCHEDULED FOR LESS THAN TWO YEARS.
UM, NOW WE WOULD LOVE TO BRING THAT IN.
SO THIS IS WHERE IT BECOMES, IT JUST KINDA BECOMES THE RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET PERMITS THROUGH AND TURN 'EM AROUND FAST, WE COULD FINISH THE WHOLE PROJECT IN 12 MONTHS IF WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN FOR CERTAIN ITEMS OR THEY ARE STREET WORK OR THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT AREA'S BEING REPAVED.
SO WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN THAT ADDS MONTHS TO THE PROJECT.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE IT LONGEST IS 12 MONTHS.
THE SHORTEST IS ABOUT, I'M SORRY, LONGEST IS 24.
THE SHORTEST IN OUR SCHEDULE IS 12, SO, OKAY.
AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIBER NETWORK NOW, BUT YOU ALSO WOULD WANT TO OPERATE AS AN ISP BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE YOU'RE MAKING YOUR MONEY BACK ON THIS CAPITAL INVESTMENT, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND YOU COULD ALSO CHOOSE IF YOU WANT TO WHITE LABEL TO OTHER ISPS USING YOUR FIBER IF YOU WANTED TO.
I GUESS WE COULD, YEAH, THAT I'VE NEVER DONE THAT AND THERE'S NO INTENTION OF DOING THAT.
BUT YES, WE RIGHT, I, SO THE PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES TO THAT IS IF AN ISP WANTED ANOTHER COMPANY WANTED TO BUY CONNECTIVITY FROM A TO B, WE WILL DO THAT ALL DAY LONG.
BUT IF THEY WANTED TO SELL TO THE RESIDENTS, WE GENERALLY, WE DO NOT LET THEM USE OUR NETWORK BECAUSE WE, WE BELIEVE IN PROVIDING A QUALITY PRODUCT THAT I DON'T BELIEVE ANOTHER PROVIDER CAN MATCH.
AND WHEN YOU START TO LET OTHER PEOPLE USE YOUR NETWORK TO PROVIDE TO THE RESIDENT AND THEY DON'T GIVE THAT SAME CUSTOMER SERVICE, THEN IT CREATES A BAD IMAGE OF YOUR COMPANY.
AND SO WE GENERALLY DON'T DO THAT BECAUSE I MEAN, OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE IS BASED IN ARIZONA.
WE DON'T FARM IT OUT LIKE OUR TECHNICIANS LIVE HERE, THEY LIVE, I MEAN WE STAGE EQUIPMENT EVERYWHERE.
LIKE OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE IS IN MY OPINION, SOME OF THE BEST YOU CAN GET IN, IN THE TELECOM BUSINESS AND THAT'S NOT A CHANCE I'M WILLING TO TAKE.
BUT YES, IF ANOTHER PROVIDER SAID, HEY, I NEED TO GET FROM ONE SIDE OF SEDONA TO FLAGSTAFF TO CONNECT TWO RADIOLOGY
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DEPARTMENTS AND THEY WANTED TO BUY THAT FROM US, WE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.AND WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE TO BE THE MAX DOWN AND UP SPEEDS TO RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS IN TOWN? YEAH, SO OUR INITIAL THAT WE OFFER THAT WE'RE OUT RIGHT NOW IS A FIVE GIG DOWN AND A FIVE GIG UP.
SO TO KIND OF EQUATE THAT TO WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, WE WERE SAYING YOU HAVE 10 MEGS, SO THAT'S 5,000 MEGS.
SO OUR MAX PACKAGE WE GIVE RIGHT NOW IS 5,000 MEGS DOWN AND 5,000 MEGS UP.
WE ARE WORKING ON AN UPGRADE THAT'LL TAKE US TO 10 MEGS FOR RESIDENTIAL.
SO THEY'LL HAVE 10,000 MEGS DOWN AND 10,000 MEGS UP, BUT THAT ISN'T DEPLOYED QUITE YET.
SO, UM, 5,000 BASICALLY OR FIVE GIGGS.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF THEIR QUESTIONS.
SO DEREK, SO IF WE RUN THE LINE OUT TO THE SEWER PLANT, IS THAT, DOES THAT PROVIDE THE BACKBONE FOR INTERNET? IF WE DO EVENTUALLY DEVELOP THE DELLS? IF WE, IF THERE'S ANY HOUSING OUT THERE, IS THAT HOW WE WOULD GET BROADBAND TO THOSE PROPERTIES? THE PRIVATE NETWORK FOR THE CITY WON'T GO TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT I I, SO SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO CLARIFY GEOGRAPHICALLY WHERE THE DELLS WOULD BE AT.
BUT ASSUMING IT'S AT THE END OF THAT CONDUIT LINE, THEN YES, WE'D BE USING THAT FIBER TO CONTINUE ON AND BUILD TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT'S BASICALLY ACROSS 89 A FROM THE SEWER PLANT.
SO THAT WOULD KIND OF GIVE YOU THE BACKBONE TO YES, DO THAT IF WE YEP.
EVENTUALLY SOMEDAY SPRAWL INTO THE DELLS.
WHEN YOU BUILT THE FIBER YOUR OFF, YOU'RE MAKING AN OFFERING THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THE RESIDENTS, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO SELECT YOU, CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY.
AND THE, UH, YOU WON THE BEAD COMPETITIVE YES MA'AM.
WHERE IN ARIZONA WILL YOU BE BUILDING THAT NETWORK? THROUGHOUT THE STATE OR DIFFERENT AREAS RIGHT NOW? UM, AND REALLY THE BEAD KIND OF OVERLAYS THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO BUILD.
COO COUNTY, UM, YAVAPAI COUNTY, MOJAVE COUNTY, LA PAZ COUNTY, PINAL COUNTY, PARTS OF MARICOPA COUNTY, NAVAJO COUNTY, AND GILA COUNTY.
THOSE ARE OUR PRIMARY BUILD AREAS.
AND HOW WOULD YOU, UH, IS THERE ANY REQUIREMENT FOR THE CITY AND THE MUNICIPAL NETWORK TO USE YOU AS THE ISP? NOPE.
THE, WHEN WE BUILD A MUNICIPAL NETWORK, WE TRANSFER OWNERSHIP OF IT TO YOU AND IT IS YOURS.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO USE THOSE FOR ANYTHING AT ALL.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO
OF COURSE YOU DO NOT HAVE TO
I'LL PRICE THEM IF THEY'RE CHEAPER.
AND THAT IS MY NEXT QUESTION, I PROMISE.
HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU COMPARE WITH THE CURRENT OFFERINGS FROM YOUR COMPETITORS? SO WE HAVE, I MEAN, I GUESS EVERY MARKET CHANGES, BUT FROM A SPEED COMPARISON, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY FAR SUPERIOR.
WE ARE FASTER AND EVERY WAY WE USE SYMMETRICAL, WHICH MEANS IT'S THE SAME DOWNLOAD AND UPLOAD.
OUR LATENCY IS LESS, OUR JITTER IS BETTER.
UM, OUR SPEEDS ARE, OR OUR PRICES ARE VERY COMPARABLE.
WE HAVE LOW COST OPTIONS FOR THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR LIKE LOW INCOME, BASICALLY OPTIONS.
AND THEN WE HAVE EVERYTHING ALL THE WAY UP TO, LIKE I MENTIONED, THE FIVE GIG PRODUCTS.
SO, UM, WE HAVE A RANGE OF EVERY, EVERY OPTION.
SO EVERYTHING WE DO IS PURE FIBER.
SO WE BUILD FIBER ALL THE WAY FROM OUR UPSTREAMS OF OUR DATA CENTERS THAT ARE IN MULTIPLE CITIES, UM, WITH REDUNDANT CONNECTIVITY GEOGRAPHICALLY.
UM, BASICALLY RINGS THAT CONNECTED DATA CENTERS AND THE FIBER GOES ALL THE WAY INTO THE HOUSEHOLD WHERE WE INSTALL IT.
SO IT IS, THERE'S NO COAX IN BETWEEN, THERE'S NO FIBER TO A NODE AND THEN COPPER TO THE HOUSE OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE? IT IS, FIBER IS A PURE FIBER NETWORK FROM BEGINNING TO END.
SO YOU, SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO GO AS HIGH AS FIVE? NOPE, THEY DO NOT.
WE OFFER A 500, A ONE GIG, A THREE GIG, AND A FIVE GIG FOR RESIDENTIAL.
OH, SO YOUR LOWEST IS 500? YES MA'AM.
I, I WONDERED HOW IS THE VALUE OF THE EXISTING CITY CONDUIT DETERMINED? SO WHAT WE DO, WE HAVE DONE THIS, WE USE THE SAME MODELING THAT WE DID IN OTHER STATES WHERE THEY LOOK AT, SO THERE ARE OTHER STATES, PHOENIX AND DIFFERENT PLACES.
AND ALSO THE SAME THING DID FLAGSTAFF, WHICH HAVE DONE A DETERMINATION OF THE CONDUIT VALUE, UM, PER FOOT.
AND WE USE THAT SAME METHOD AND THAT'S HOW WE DETERMINE THE CONDUIT VALUE.
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IT'S THE SAME BASICALLY METHODOLOGY THAT WAS USED LIKE IN FLAGSTAFF AND ANYWHERE ELSE.SO, AND IT'S BASICALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU SPENT TO WHAT IT WAS SPENT TO PUT IN IT.
SO THEY TAKE A, WHAT THEY ASSIGN A VALUE OVER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME FOR USAGE AND THEN THAT'S DONE PER FOOT AND THEN THAT'S HOW THEY GOT THE $1.32 MILLION OF VALUE.
AND CHUCK, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU IN, AND THE, UH, SLIDES ABOUT COST.
SO THE CITY HALL CAMPUS, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE 15,000 PER YEAR.
IS THAT OUR CURRENT EXPENSE OR WHAT YOU ANTICIPATE IT WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE? I WASN'T CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
UM, THOSE ARE OUR CURRENT COSTS.
UH, THE ONE THAT'S THE FEATURE IS THE WESTERN GATEWAY AND THE PARK, WELL, THE TWO PARKED GARAGE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT IMPLEMENTED YET.
UM, BUT THE WESTERN GATEWAY IS PROBABLY NOT WESTERN GATEWAY.
THE GARAGE IS PROBABLY REALLY CLOSE, UM, AS FAR AS COSTS AND THE WESTERN GATEWAY IS, WELL, IT DOESN'T EXIST YET.
AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE ON THE ONGOING COST SAVINGS, THAT 52,100, THAT'S ISP CONNECTIONS, IS THAT THE SAME THING? IF I ADDED UP ALL THESE COSTS OF ON THE SLIDE BEFORE IT, WOULD IT COME TO $52,100? CORRECT.
AND WE WOULD STILL HAVE AT LEAST TWO GOOD GOOD ONES, UH, FOR THAT REDUNDANCY AND, AND LOW BALANCE.
AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S STILL COSTS AFTER.
AND SO I JUST SUBTRACT THE TWO AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S AROUND 30,000 SAVED A YEAR IN THAT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, PETE, UH OH, PETE, THANK YOU.
UH, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO ASK, I'LL PROBABLY YOU TO SPECULATE A LITTLE BIT MAYBE ON THE, UH, NOTE UNKNOWNS.
IS THERE ANYTHING, OR WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT MIGHT CAUSE YOU TO BUILD UP THE CITY NETWORK BUT NOT END UP REALLY FINISHING IT OUT AND OFFERING IT TO THE RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESSES PERHAPS OTHER THAN CUSTOMER ACCEPTANCE? UM, THERE REALLY IS NOTHING THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO BUILD THE CITY NETWORK AND NOT THE RESIDENTIAL NETWORK.
I, IT, IT WOULD, YEAH, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO DO THAT.
SO DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE STARTING? IF YOU WERE AWARDED THIS, WHERE IN THE CITY WHICH YOU BEGIN? UM, NEAR THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE CAMPUS IS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT STARTING, THAT'S OUR INITIAL DESIGN.
AND I'LL SAY I DID NOT KNOW THAT AHEAD OF TIME.
I DID NOT KNOW THAT AHEAD OF, UH, YEAH.
WHY THERE? UM, SO AS WE LOOK AT BACKHAUL OPTIONS TO BE ABLE TO GET MAJOR FIBER CONNECTIVITY BACK TO INITIALLY THE PHOENIX DATA CENTER, AND THEN WE WILL HIT FLAGSTAFF, THAT THEN RUNS TO KINGMAN AND TO VEGAS TO OTHER DATA CENTER, THAT'S A LOCATION WHERE WE CAN PICK UP MAJOR BACKHAUL OF FIBER FROM.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
AND I HAVE TIM PERRY FOLLOWED BY DAVID KEE, FOLLOWED BY, UM, RICHARD CAPPEL.
MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
WELL, IF WE IN THIS TOWN NEEDED ANY FURTHER REMINDERS OF OUR COUNCIL AND STAFF'S COMMITMENT TO CORPORATE WELFARE AND LEGAL GRAFT, TONIGHT'S AGENDA ITEM WOULD BE A GREAT EXAMPLE.
IT'S RATHER ASTONISHING TO THINK THAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY PROPOSING, UH, TO GIVE THESE CAPITALIST PIGS A GIFT OF OVER $3 MILLION AT A LOSS OF OVER $2 MILLION TO YOURSELF FOR A USELESS LUXURY.
THIS WHOLE NARRATIVE THAT SEDONA NEEDS BROADBAND IS DRIVEN BY THIS SUPPOSITION PROMOTED BY THE MAN WHO WOULD BE MAYOR AND HIS COLLEAGUES, THAT IF WE GET BROADBAND, SUDDENLY A BUNCH OF WORK FROM HOME YUPPIES FROM URBAN AREAS WILL WANT TO RELOCATE TO SEDONA AND SOMEHOW MAKE THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF THE TOWN YOUNGER.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE CITY IS YET TO PRESENT ANY EVIDENCE THAT THAT FORM OF ATTRACTION IN THE FORM OF BROADBAND WILL EVER HAPPEN.
SECOND, IN CASE NOBODY'S NOTICED, WE ALREADY HAVE PERFECTLY SERVICEABLE INTERNET ACCESS FOR ALL OUR NEEDS HERE.
THE CITY ITSELF PROVES THIS WHEN IT HAS HOURS LONG REMOTE MEETINGS.
BUT THE THIRD AND MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION IS, WHY WOULD YOU EVEN WANT
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TO BRING THAT DEMOGRAPHIC TO SEDONA? TELEWORK IS NOT WORK.MOVING LITTLE BITS OF NUMBERS AROUND ON A SCREEN THAT DON'T MEAN ANYTHING, IS NOT WORK.
IT IS PARAM, IT IS NON-PRODUCTION.
TELEWORKERS DO NOT GENERATE ANYTHING IN THE COMMUNITY OR CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING TO THE ECONOMY OF THE COMMUNITY JUST AS RETIREES DO NOT.
BOTH ARE DEPENDENCY CULTURE, BOTH ARE NON-PRODUCTIVE.
SO WHY WOULD WE EVEN WANT TO BRING NON-PRODUCERS TO SEDONA? WELL, MAYBE WE CAN CONSIDER THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT THE JURIST RAPHAEL LEMKIN POINTED OUT THE GENOCIDE DID NOT CONSIST SIMPLY OF EXTERMINATING THE MEMBERS OF A GROUP, BUT AT ERASING AND REPLACING THEIR CULTURAL PATTERN IN HUMAN HISTORY.
THIS HAS HAPPENED TWICE ON SUCH A SCALE AS TO BE CONSIDERED A PLANETARY GENOCIDE.
THE FIRST WAS THE VIOLENT REPLACEMENT OF FORGER BY FARMERS.
THE SECOND WAS AND IS THE ONGOING VIOLENT REPLACEMENT OF FARMERS BY URBAN, INDUSTRIAL NON-WORKERS.
THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS ONE MORE SMALL PIECE OF A GREAT BIG JIGSAW PUZZLE OF GLOBAL GENOCIDE.
AND THIS GUY WHO WANTS TO PROMOTE GENOCIDE AND PARASITISM THINKS HE'S QUALIFIED TO BE MAYOR OF SEDONA.
ALL GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, DAVID KEY RESIDENT OF SEDONA MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME AS ALWAYS.
I'M ALWAYS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY OF SEDONA.
THANK YOU ALL FOR ASKING GOOD QUESTIONS.
I HAD SOME OF THE SAME QUESTIONS IN MY MIND.
SO I DO WANNA START OFF TONIGHT BY JUST SAYING WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
UH, WE, ECOMM IS A MEMBER OF THE CHAMBER, UM, AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEM JOINING THE CHAMBER, THEIR INVESTMENT IS, I THINK, PROOF OF THEIR INTENT IN THE MARKET.
SO GLAD TO SEE US GETTING, YOU KNOW, STEPS CLOSER TO HAVING CONNECTIVITY, WHICH IS MUCH NEEDED AND DEMANDED BY THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
SO I WANNA SAY FROM THE CHAMBER'S PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, THIS AGREEMENT MATTERS ON TWO LEVELS.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, CONNECTING CITY FACILITIES, WHILE IT'S NOT SHINY, YOU KNOW, ON THE OUTSIDE IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURE, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T DRIVE ON IT.
IT'S NOT A BRAND NEW ROAD, IT'S UNDER THE ROAD.
BUT THE MORE EFFICIENT, THE FASTER THAT YOU ALL CAN WORK, THE FASTER THAT EVERYTHING HAPPENS FROM PERMITTING TO INSPECTIONS.
SO YOUR GUYS', YOU KNOW, SPED UP PRODUCTIVITY BENEFITS THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IN EVERY INTERACTION.
SECONDLY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, YOU KNOW, THIS PUTS US CLOSER TO A FULL FIBER BUILD OUT, WHICH WE SO DESPERATELY NEED.
UM, BROADBAND IS GONNA EMPOWER OUR WORKFORCE AND PRODUCTIVITY AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE DECIDE WHERE TO PLACE THEIR COMPANY AND WHETHER THEY WOULD MOVE TO A LOCATION BEYOND WHAT I THINK IS THE NUMBER ONE ORDER OF EDUCATION, RIGHT? PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT SCHOOLS FOR THEIR FAMILIES.
BUT BEYOND THAT, THESE COMPANIES ARE EVALUATING HOW PRODUCTIVE CAN WE BE? HOW CONNECTED ARE WE? AND THIS IS US MOVING ONE GIANT STEP INTO THE FUTURE.
SO, YOU KNOW, EVERY FOOT OF FIBER IN THE GROUND MEANS MOVING US TOWARD THE, YOU KNOW, A STRONGER MARKET AS A WHOLE AND A STRONGER WORKFORCE.
SO THE CHAMBER ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORTS THIS AGREEMENT AND WE THINK WE COME FOR THEIR INVESTMENT IN SEDONA AND EXCITED TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.
THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AS ALWAYS.
RICHARD COUNSEL, UH, MY NAME'S RICHARD KEPPEL.
I'M A SEDONA CITIZEN, UH, BACK IN 20, CAN YOU BRING THE MIC UP? OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
BACK IN 2022, I WAS ONE OF THE CITIZEN MEMBERS WHO HELPED THE ACTUAL CITY ITSELF LOOK AT THE IN BROADBAND INITIATIVES AND ALSO WAS PART OF THE BEAD DETERMINATIONS HERE FOR SEDONA.
UNDERSTOOD WHAT HAPPENED THAT WE OBVIOUSLY WE WEREN'T GOING TO QUALIFY THAT GIVEN THE FACT OF OUR, WHERE WE WERE.
SO I WAS VERY, VERY EXCITED TODAY WHEN I SAW WE COME, CAME IN HERE.
BASICALLY I SAW A POSSIBLE ENTRY POINT FOR OUR COMMUNITY FOR FIBER TO THE HOME, WHICH, UH, I BASICALLY HAD IN SUNNYVALE, CALIFORNIA WHEN OTHER IN SILICON VALLEY 20 YEARS AGO.
SO THIS CAN ABSOLUTELY BE A GAME CHANGER FOR OUR COMMUNITY, NOT JUST FOR BUSINESSES, BUT OBVIOUSLY FOR RESIDENTS.
SO I THINK IF WE LOOK AT OUR TOWN GOING FORWARD, AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT AS A PHASE PROGRAM, THE FACT THAT THE CITY'S WILLING TO START FIRST WITH THE INVESTMENT AND WORKING A DEAL OUT WITH WE O TO MAKE YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE WORK PERFECTLY.
ALTHOUGH I WONDER ABOUT THE EXPENSE OF THE UPGRADED ROUTERS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE FOR THAT.
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EXPENSES OF THAT, BUT THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO START OFF AND START THE BUILD.THE SECOND PART OF THAT, THERE'S A BUNCH OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE HUNGRY AS HECK RIGHT NOW.
IN FACT, I EVEN HEARD THERE ARE BUSINESSES WHO TRIED TO COME HERE AND WE FAILED THE CHECKLIST ITEM BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THIS SPEED OF THE INTERNET.
THEY WOULD'VE COME HERE WITH HUNDREDS OF PROFESSIONAL JOBS.
SO THIS IS, I THINK FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT VIEWPOINT, MANDATORY FOR US, MY OPINION.
SO FOR ME, I'M REALLY ENTHUSIASTICALLY SEEING THIS AND GETTING FIBER TO THE HOME.
WE HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AT INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE HAVE WHAT, A PS POLES POSSIBLY YOU'LL HAVE TO DO SOME UNDERGROUND DIG.
IT'S GONNA BE A SLOG NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD, LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT THAT.
BUT IT SURE SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM WHO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, HAVE EXHIBIT AROUND THE STATE A LEVEL OF EXPERTISE TO GIVE US THE QUALITY WE WANT AND GIVE OUR CITIZENS AND OUR BUSINESSES A CHANCE TO COMPETE IN THIS WORLD THAT SOME PEOPLE DON'T PARTICULARLY WANT US TO COMPETE IN.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS.
UH, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT WE COME THE PRESENT.
SIR, YOU'VE DONE A FABULOUS JOB HERE IN YOUR PRESENTATION, AND I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE.
OKAY, BACK TO COUNSEL FOR COMMENTS.
WHO WANTS TO START? BRIAN, HAPPY TO, UH, YOU KNOW, RICHARD, JUST KIND OF PLAYING OFF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT OF, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
YOU KNOW, YOU THINK ABOUT, UH, AS A STUDY OF HISTORY, THAT BUILDING ROADS CREATED PROGRESS, IT CREATED ECONOMY.
UM, MR. PERRY, I'M SPEAKING, I LISTEN TO YOU, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT,
SO NOW WE'RE AT A PLACE WHERE FIBER AT THE KINDS OF SPEEDS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, UH, ENABLES, UH, ALL KINDS OF INNOVATION, INCLUDING CREATING THINGS.
AND IT'LL BE EXCITING TO SEE HOW IT GETS USED.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, THIS THE, THE NOTION OF PROGRESS.
YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN IT, UM, YOU KNOW, MY SON LIVED IN AFRICA IN A REMOTE VILLAGE AND HAVING WATER CREATES, YOU KNOW, PROGRESS AND IT CREATES ECONOMY, UM, THEY CAN'T AFFORD FIBER THERE.
SO EVERYTHING IS MOBILE NETWORKS, AND THAT CREATES PROGRESS.
THERE'S, UH, MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, ADVANCEMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I I I DON'T THINK WE CAN EVEN PREDICT WHAT ALL THE BENEFITS WILL BE OF BRINGING IN THE TECHNOLOGY, BUT I'M CERTAINLY GRATEFUL FOR IT.
I WANT TO THANK RICHARD AND SIR IN THE BACK, IT'S JAMES, RIGHT? I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR LAST NAME, I APOLOGIZE.
BUT YOU GUYS BOTH HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO, UH, STAFF AND COUNSEL IN PROVIDING INPUT AND GUIDANCE AND WISDOM ABOUT FIBER OVER, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW.
AND CERTAINLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR, UH, THOSE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT YOU'VE MADE.
UM, WHEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST, WHEN WE FOUND OUT THAT BEAD WAS GONNA FALL THROUGH AND WE WERE LOOKING AT THE COSTS OF POTENTIALLY FUNDING, UH, THE BUILD OUT OF A NETWORK LIKE THIS ON OUR OWN DIME, THOSE ESTIMATES WERE CONSIDERABLY HIGHER THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
UM, SO THIS FEELS LIKE AN AWFUL LOT OF GOOD NEWS.
SO, UH, MR. FLEMING, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR THE BREVITY OF YOUR PRESENTATION AND, UH, BEING VERY FOCUSED.
AND, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING THE PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF US.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MELISSA? THANK YOU.
THE WORLD IN WHICH WE LIVE HAS CHANGED AND IT'S CHANGED A LOT.
AND IT'S ABOUT CONNECTIVITY AND IT'S ABOUT CONNECTIVITY, NOT JUST WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BETWEEN BUILDINGS IN THE, THE CITY.
IT'S CONNECTIVITY ACROSS THE WORLD.
UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UM, OUR BUSINESSES, WE NEED TO REALIZE THAT OUR BUSINESSES NEED TO ALSO DO BUSINESS OUTSIDE OF OUR OWN COMMUNITY.
THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT NEW TECHNOLOGIES, WHETHER THAT'S AI OR WHETHER THAT'S AR OR WHETHER THAT'S VR, ALL WHICH REQUIRE LARGE AMOUNTS OF BITS AND BYTES GOING ACROSS THE WORLD.
AND THAT'S HOW OUR ARTISTS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SELL THEIR WORKS.
THAT'S HOW OUR AUTHORS ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THEIR WORKS.
IT'S ABOUT HOW ALL OF US NEED TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER THAT
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THIS IS WHERE WE'RE HEADED, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE, AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO BECOME MORE IMPORTANT AND MORE CRITICAL TO NOT BE BACK WATERED BY NOT BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE WORLD THAT'S AROUND US.AND, UM, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO OUR COMMUNITY OR IT'S JUST GONNA MAKE US A HEALTHIER COMMUNITY AS WE MOVE INTO THINGS LIKE TELEHEALTH AND WE MOVE INTO ANYTHING ELSE THAT REQUIRES US TO COMMUNICATE ACROSS LONG DISTANCES EFFECTIVELY, EFFICIENTLY, AND QUICKLY, THAT THAT IS NOT JUST PROTE PRODUCTIVITY IN THE SENSE OF THE WAY WE USUALLY THINK ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S ABOUT THE HEALTH, THE SAFETY, AND THE WELFARE OF OUR COMMUNITY GOING FORWARD.
SO I BELIEVE THAT TAKING THIS STEP AND MOVING SEDONA WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD INTO THE FUTURE IS THE WAY WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE DID A ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STUDY, WHICH, WHICH BROUGHT TOGETHER RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS TO THE CITY, AND THEY MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THE NUMBER ONE RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR BROADBAND.
SO I THINK THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN IN 20, THAT WAS BEFORE COVID 2019, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO HERE WE ARE SO MANY YEARS LATER AND WE'VE FINALLY HERE, WE'RE FINALLY ABOUT TO BE HERE.
AND I WANNA PERSONALLY THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO STEP UP AND TO INVEST YOUR MONEY INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND GIVE OUR RESIDENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRANSFORM POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THEIR BUSINESSES.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THIS.
SO PETE WANTS TO, UH, PETE, YES.
I DO WANT APPRECIATE, UH, YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, UH, AND THE COMMITMENTS AND THE UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR PROJECT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF REPORT RIGHTLY SO, UH, APPROPRIATELY SPOKE MOSTLY JUST TO THE CITY PROJECT ITSELF.
SO I'M VERY GLAD TO HEAR, UH, UH, OF YOUR INTENT HERE TO GET THIS TO OUR RESIDENTS.
AND AS COMMENTS BY OTHERS HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I FIND IT'S NO COINCIDENCE THAT, UH, SPRING BREAK, UH, MY INTERNET CONNECTION IS SPOTTY THESE DAYS.
UH, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO A LITTLE COMPETITION IN TOWN.
OKAY, SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, I CAN MAKE THE MOTION.
I MOVE TO APPROVE A 20 YEAR LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH WE OM LLC FOR USE OF THE CITY'S PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY FOR FIBER OPTIC CABLE WITH FEES WAIVED EQUAL TO WE COM'S COST TO INSTALL A FIBER NETWORK CONNECTING CITY LOCATIONS THAT WILL CONVEY TO THE CITY, SUBJECT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S APPROVAL.
JOE, THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. FLEMING.
THANK YOU CHUCK FOR YOUR, AND MONIQUE FOR YOUR WORK AND THANK YOU TO YOUR STAFF.
SO DO YOU WANNA TAKE A BREAK OR DO YOU WANNA POWER THROUGH
I THINK THE NEXT ONE'S GONNA BE LONG BREAK.
[9.e. AB 3335 Discussion/possible action for approval to pursue the FY27 Congressionally Directed Spending (CDS) funding through the offices of Senator Mark Kelly and Senator Ruben Gallego for the SIM5D - Brewer/Ranger Road Roundabout (RAB) construction project (total cost of $5,412,064). The CDS funding request will be for the typical maximum amount of $3,000,000.]
AND WE'RE ON ITEM E NINE E AB 33 35.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION FOR APPROVAL TO PURSUE THE FY 27 CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING FUNDING THROUGH THE OFFICES OF SENATOR MARK KELLY AND SENATOR RUBIN GALLEGO FOR THE SIM FIVE D BREWER RANGER ROAD ROUNDABOUT CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
TOTAL COST OF 5.412064 MILLION.
THE CDS FUNDING REQUEST WILL BE FOR THE TYPICAL MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF $3 MILLION.
AND ANDY, ARE YOU PRESENTING? SO KURT HARRIS IS, KURT HARRIS IS PRESENTING THIS ITEM AND HE SHOULD BE HERE ANY MINUTE.
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ALL RIGHT.HI, KURT HARRIS, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, CITY ENGINEER.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, COUNSELOR MAYOR.
UM, THIS AGENDA BILL IS ABOUT OUR CONGRESSIONAL DISCRETIONARY SPENDING.
UM, I HAD TO APPLY LAST FRIDAY TO MEET THE DEADLINE, UH, BASED ON THE NOFO.
UM, IT'S REALLY A RINSE AND REPEAT FROM WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR FOR, OR SIM FIVE, UH, D PROJECT, THE RANGER BREWER ROUNDABOUT.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS.
I, I THOUGHT WE WERE APPLYING FOR BOTH THE ROUNDABOUT AND WASTEWATER.
DID WE DECIDE NOT TO DO THAT? UM, FOR THE CONGRESSIONAL CDS MM-HMM
YEAH, THE, WE TALKED TO THEM ON THE DETAILS AND THE, UM, DETAILS FOR THE, THIS YEAR FOR THE SPENDING.
THE SENATORS WANTED MORE ON STORM WATER RECHARGE, ENVIRONMENTAL, SO NOTHING THAT WE HAD IN STORM WATER.
ROXANNE SAID MATCH THE GRANT TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A HIGHER CHANCE OF GETTING, UM, UH, SUCCESSFUL.
I DID APPLY FOR THE $3 MILLION MAX, UM, TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH OF THE MATCH, UH, FOR THE, THE COST.
SO FOR THEIR BENEFIT, DID YOU BREAK IT INTO PIECES SO THAT IF THEY HAD LESS MONEY, THEY COULD LOP SOMETHING OFF? UM, NOT FOR THIS, THAT WASN'T, IT WAS ONE THE APPLICATION DIDN'T ALLOW THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A CARD.
MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
AS FAR AS THE BREWER ROUNDABOUT PROPOSAL GOES, THE WHOLE PROJECT SHOULD SIMPLY BE FLUSHED DOWN THE CREEK.
I REMEMBER TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT HOW THAT INTERSECTION USED TO WORK.
I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH IT IS THAT WE NOW HAVE A STOP SIGN THERE, WHICH SLOWS THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND CAUSES BACKUPS.
BUT APPARENTLY STAFF HAVE DECIDED THAT SPENDING $5 MILLION ON A ROUNDABOUT IS A MORE COST EFFECTIVE SOLUTION TO SPEED UP TRAFFIC FLOW THAN TO PULL OUT A STOP SIGN.
THE OTHER ISSUE HERE IS JUST TO BEAR IN MIND THAT IT IS THESE ROUNDABOUTS THAT CAUSE TRAFFIC BACKUPS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONE DOWN AT SCH NIBLEY, WHICH IS ACTUALLY CAUSING THE TRAFFIC BACKUP BLAMED ON THE FLOCKA CROSSWALK BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC ACTUALLY STOPS AT THE ROUNDABOUT.
WE DON'T NEED MORE ROUNDABOUTS IN THIS TOWN.
WE NEED FEWER, AND WE NEED LESS FEDERAL FUNDING TYING US INTO OBLIGATIONS TO DO WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WANTS WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IN WHAT, INSTEAD OF WHAT SEDONA WANTS WITH ITS INFRASTRUCTURE, THIS IS A POINTLESS ENDEAVOR AND THE ENTIRE ROUNDABOUT NEEDS TO BE SCRAPPED.
COUNSELORS, UH, SECOND TIME TODAY.
WHAT A PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU.
NOW, I, I JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE ANYBODY WHO IS SKEPTICAL OF THIS PROJECT TO REALLY GO IN DEPTH WITH THE SEDONA IN MOTION PLAN.
'CAUSE I THINK ISOLATED PIECES OF THIS PLAN MAY NOT MAKE SENSE OUT OF CONTEXT.
AND, UH, THAT'S ONE THING THAT I'VE SHARED WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY WHEN THEY DO HAVE CONCERNS.
SO TO SHARE ONE CONCERN DIRECTLY, OF COURSE, WOULD BE THE BUSINESSES THAT COULD BE IMPACTED BY THAT ROUNDABOUT.
AND WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BE YOUR PARTNERS IN SUPPORTING THEM THROUGH THAT BEFORE THAT, AFTER THAT AND SO ON.
BECAUSE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS ARE UNFORTUNATELY GOING TO IMPACT SMALL BUSINESS.
I'M NOT GOING TO STAND HERE AND OPPOSE EVERY PROJECT THAT MAY AFFECT A BUSINESS, BUT RATHER LOOK FOR THE SOLUTIONS AND FOR SOMEONE TO SAY, HEY, I SAW YOUR LETTER OF SUPPORT TO GET CONGRESSIONAL FUNDING.
WHAT GIVES? I SAID, WELL, THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK THAT WOULD BE WORSE THAN AN INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT WOULD BE DENYING THE REASONABLE FUNDING SOURCES AVAILABLE TO US.
SO OF COURSE, I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT.
I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY THINK THAT COMES WITH OBLIGATIONS, BUT INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING IS INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING AND YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE TEAM TO TELL YOU AND ADVISE YOU ON TRAFFIC AND ROAD FLOW.
MY AREA OF EXPERTISE IS SUPPORTING SMALL BUSINESS.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE OUR PRIORITY AS WE LOOK TO MIA MOEY THE HEART STORE, WHO WOULD BE DRAMATICALLY IMPACTED TO BE FRANK.
SO I DO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT THROUGH MY ROLE AT
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THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND BEYOND BEHALF OF, UH, AND ON BEHALF OF THE BUSINESSES.BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, SOME CONCERN THAT WE WOULD JUST NEED TO COME AROUND THE TABLE AND BRAINSTORM IDEAS AND FIND THE BEST PATH FORWARD.
ANY COMMENTS? READY FOR A MOTION? JUST WANT TO ADD, THE CHAMBER DID PROVIDE A LETTER OF SUPPORT, AS DID THE CITY, UM, SO WE'RE REALLY THANKFUL FOR THAT.
DID WE GET ANY OTHER LETTERS OF SUPPORT? YEAH, IT WAS CITY CHAMBER AND I CAN'T REMEMBER.
WHO WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION? GO AHEAD, DEREK.
I MOVE TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY TO APPLY FOR THE FY 27 CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING CDS FUNDING OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS CONSTRUCTION OF SIM FIVE D BREWER ROAD, RANGER ROAD ROUNDABOUT TO AUTHORIZE THE PROVISION OF THE REQUIRED LOCAL MATCH AND TO ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
[9.f. AB 3313 Discussion/possible direction/action regarding proposed State legislation, short-term rental legislation, lobbying efforts, and State budget and their potential impact on the City of Sedona.]
AB 33 13.DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING PROPOSED STATE LEGISLATION, SHORT TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION, LOBBYING EFFORTS AND STATE BUDGET, AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE CITY OF SEDONA.
YOU GOT GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCILORS.
UM, IT'S GOTTEN, IT'S GOTTEN MORE QUIET.
OH, WE DO HAVE, UM, KATHY SENSEMAN AS WELL, RIGHT? KATHY, CAN YOU HEAR US? HI, KATHY.
UM, IT'S GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT MORE QUIET IN TERMS OF, UM, WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON AT THE LEGISLATURE.
UM, IN THE REPORT THAT I SENT OVER, IT'S THE 11TH WEEK OF THE SESSION, UH, A TOTAL OF 2,121.
LEGISLATIVE MEASURES HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED TO DATE.
THE LEGISLATURE HAS PASSED 20 BILLS, FIVE OF WHICH WERE SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR, AND 15, WHICH WERE VETOED THIS FRIDAY MARKS THE DEADLINE FOR BILLS TO BE HEARD IN COMMITTEES IN THE OPPOSITE CHAMBER OF ORIGIN.
OTHERWISE, THEY'RE MOST LIKELY DEAD.
UM, SINCE WE WON'T BE TALKING ABOUT ANY, UM, OR AT LEAST PROACTIVELY ANY POSITIONS, UM, WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS GO THROUGH OF THE BILLS THAT WERE ON OUR, UM, SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION LIST.
I WANTED TO HAVE, UH, KATHY SENSEMAN GO THROUGH AND JUST GIVE AN UPDATE OF THE ONES THAT ARE STILL ALIVE,
SO, KATHY CINON, WOULD YOU MIND STARTING WITH HOUSE BILL 24 29, WHICH IS THE SHORT TERM RENTAL BILL? YES.
UM, SO THE BILL DID PASS OUT OF THE HOUSE, UM, WITH 37 VOTES.
UM, WE HAD HOPED THERE WOULD BE A FEW MORE, BUT EVEN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CONSENSUS, BUT THERE'S JUST SUCH A DEEP SEATED KINDA ANTI, UM, UH, UH, ANTI SHORT-TERM RENTAL OR, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING TO CHANGE THAT.
UM, AND SO THE BILL WENT TO THE SENATE, IT WAS ASSIGNED TO THE REGULATORY AFFAIRS AND GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY COMMITTEE, UM, THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD GIVE IT A HEARING.
UM, THAT SENATE CHAIRMAN DECIDED NOT TO HEAR THE BILL.
UM, EVEN THOUGH THE AIRBNB FOLKS AND EVERYONE HAD KIND OF SAID, HEY, WE'RE ON BOARD.
AND AS LAUREN MENTIONED, UM, IT IS THE LAST WEEK TO HEAR BILL.
SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE LAST WEEK IS GET WITH THAT CHAIRMAN AND ASK HER IF WE COULD WITHDRAW THE BILL AND HAVE IT REASSIGNED TO SENATE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE BECAUSE THAT APPROPRIATIONS GETS ONE ADDITIONAL MEETING OR ONE EXTRA WEEK TO MEET.
AND SO WE HAD, UH, WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE SENATOR APPROPRIATIONS CHAIRMAN TO PUT THAT ON HIS AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK.
I BELIEVE THEY MEET ON TUESDAY.
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WE ARE ACTIVELY, EVERYONE THAT'S INVOLVED IN THE BILL IS ACTIVELY TRYING TO GET 24 29 PUT ON THE SENATE PROBES AGENDA.UM, HOWEVER, THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN SOME PUSHBACK SAYING, YOU KNOW, THEY'D ONLY ONLY WANNA HAVE MONEY BILLS ON THE APPROACHES AGENDA.
SO WE'RE STILL, UM, KINDA, I DON'T KNOW, SLEDDING UPHILL HERE TO TRY TO GET A BILL THAT WILL HAVE NO OPPOSITION, UM, HEARD IN THE SENATE.
AND SO, UM, AND, AND I'LL JUST SAY GOING BACK IN, IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SENATE PRESIDENT, UM, THAT THE ARIZONA TOURISM ASSOCIATION HAD WITH HIM, YOU KNOW, HE HAD SAID THAT HE WOULD NOT STAND IN THE WAY OF A BILL THAT HAD CONSENSUS, THAT HAD, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH THE AIRBNB, YOU KNOW, VRBO FOLKS.
AND, UM, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO REMIND HIM OF THAT CONVERSATION THAT HE HAD HAD, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY WITH THEM.
AND SO WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TRY TO GET THAT BILL HEARING.
BUT EVEN WITH A CONSENSUS, WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH IT.
AND JUST AS A REMINDER, KATHY
UM, BUT IT ALSO CHANGES THE, EXTENDS THE PERIOD FOR VERIFIED VIOLATIONS, UM, THAT YOU, THAT ONE WOULD RECEIVE.
UM, CURRENTLY IT'S A 12 MONTH PERIOD, IT EXTENDS THAT TO A 24 MONTH PERIOD.
SO IF YOU WERE TO GET, UH, SOME KIND OF VIOLATION FROM THE CITY, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH, IT'S NOT JUST A VIOLATION, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADJUDICATED.
UM, AND WHAT A LOT OF CITIES WERE FINDING WAS THAT THE 12 MONTH, UM, ADJUDICATION PERIOD WAS NOT SUFFICIENT BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET THROUGH THE ENTIRE, UM, PROCESS IN THAT TIME.
UM, AND SO THEY, UH, THOUGHT EXTENDING THAT TIME WOULD DO THAT.
UM, IT ALSO ESTABLISHES A STATEWIDE, MAXIMUM OVERNIGHT OCCUPANCY OF TWO ADULTS PER SLEEPING AREA, UM, PLUS AN ADDITIONAL TWO PERSONS, UM, NOT INCLUDING MINOR.
SO THERE IS SOME LIMITING OF THE OCCUPANCY LIMITS ON THE OVERNIGHT YES.
UM, AND THEN IT ALSO EXPANDS THE GROUNDS FOR DENYING OR SUSPENDING, UM, UH, A LICENSE OR LOCAL PERMIT TO INCLUDE IF THEY HAVE UNPAID FINES OR SPECIFIED OR, YOU KNOW, BUILDING CODE VIA AND FIRE CODE VIOLATIONS.
SO IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO FIND THEM TO HAVE NOT PAID SOME OF THEIR FEES, UM, OR BE IN ARREARS, THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD REVOKE A LICENSE FOR.
UM, AND SO IT ALSO, IT ALSO IN THEIR, UH, ALLOWS A MUNICIPALITY, UM, TO, UH, ADOPT AN ORDINANCE REQUIRING A SEX OFFENDER BACKGROUND CHECKS ON THE BOOKING GUESTS ON THE, ON THE WEBSITE.
UM, AND SO, UH, SO THERE, THERE ARE SOME PROTECTIONS IN THERE.
I KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT THE ONES OR, OR THE, YOU KNOW, THE LIMITS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
UM, BUT, UH, IT IS SOME PROGRESS AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME GOOD CONVERSATIONS, UM, WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PLATFORM GROUPS, UM, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION AFTER THE SHERIFF, KATHY, WHO IS THE CHAIR OF THAT COMMITTEE THAT WON'T HAVE A HEAR, WON'T SCHEDULE A HEARING.
YEAH, THE SENATOR, IT'S CALLED THE RAGE COMMITTEE 'CAUSE IT'S REGULATORY AFFAIRS AND GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY.
AND THE CHAIRPERSON OF THAT IS, UH, SENATOR SHAUNA BULLOCK, AND I BELIEVE SHE'S IN LD FOUR OR LD TWO, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY, KIND OF A NORTH CENTRAL NORTH PHOENIX DISTRICT.
DOES SHE HAVE A PARTICULAR ISSUE? UM, OTHER THAN SHE IS, UH, UM, VERY CONSERVATIVE AND WHEN I HAVE SPOKEN TO HER ABOUT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ISSUES IN THE PAST, SHE JUST KIND OF FALLS ON THE SIDE OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
AND THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL SHE WANTS TO FOCUS ON.
YOU WANNA MOVE DOWN THE LIST? SURE.
THIS IS, UH, AN ANNEXATION BILL.
UM, THIS WAS, I IT WAS, IT WAS SCHEDULED FOR COMMITTEE, UM, THIS MONDAY.
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UM, AND I BELIEVE IT GOT OUT OF COMMITTEE.I'M JUST LOOKING IT UP BECAUSE I HAVEN'T DID THAT CHECK IT, SORRY.
UM, YEAH, THE BILL DID ACTUALLY, THEY HAVE UPDATED THE SYSTEM.
SO THE BILL WAS SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD YESTERDAY AND THE SENATE FEDERALISM COMMITTEE, UM, I'M ASSUMING BASED ON THE BILL SPONSOR BEING THE HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER, THAT IT WAS SUCCESSFUL PASSING OUT OF THAT COMMITTEE.
UM, THIS IS THE ONE THAT ALLOWS A CITY OR TOWN, UM, TO PUBLISH ANNEXATION NOTICES ELECTRONICALLY OF THE NEWSPAPER.
UM, AND, UM, LET'S SEE, ALSO, IT ALSO AUTHORIZES THE CITY OR TOWN TO WAIVE THE 30 DAY WAITING PERIOD.
UM, IF 100% OF THE PROPERTY OWNED, UM, BY IS, IS, IS BY THE INITIATING PROPERTY OWNER FOR ANNEXATION.
UM, SO, UH, SO, SO BASICALLY IT TAKES THE KIND IT REARRANGES WHEN THE NOTICE, UM, GOES OUT TO BE ON THE FRONT END OF THE APPLICATION VERSUS ON THE BACK END.
SO THE THOUGHT IS THAT, UM, BECAUSE IT IS THE THRESHOLD IS 100% OF THE PROPERTY OWNED BY THE INITIATING PARTY, UM, THAT IT WOULD JUST MAKE THINGS, UH, MORE TRANSPARENT AND WOULD, UM, WOULD EXPEDITE THE PROCESS IN THIS.
BUT AGAIN, IF THAT THRESHOLD IS A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE, UM, OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT IS BEING INITIATED BY, THIS HAS TO BE, UM, AN AGREEMENT.
SHOULD WE DISCUSS THIS ONE FOR A THIRD TIME? NO,
YOU WANNA GO TO SENATE BILL 1167? YEAH.
UM, THIS, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT, THAT YOU'LL LOVE.
UM, THIS, UH, THIS ALLOWS MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES TO SATISFY THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS ON ADVERTISING AND PUBLISHING AND PRINTING NOTICES, UM, BY POSTING THEM ON THE ENTITIES OR, OR THE CITY'S OFFICIAL WEBSITES.
UM, AND THEY, IT WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE A, UM, PUBLIC NOTICE, UH, LINK ON THE HOMEPAGE.
AND THIS BILL, UM, IS SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD IN COMMITTEE IN THE HOUSE GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE THIS THURSDAY.
UM, SO IT IS STILL ALIVE AND MOVING IN THE, IN THE PROCESS.
UM, 1431 IS ALSO STILL MOVING.
THIS IS, UM, UH, PLAN COMMUNITIES DESIGN PROHIBITION.
UM, SO BASICALLY PROHIBITS A MUNICIPALITY FROM REQUIRING THE CREATION OF AN HOA, UM, AND SHARED AMENITIES AND GAINED ACCESS AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, AND THIS BILL IS MOVING, IT HAS PASSED OUT OF ITS HOUSE COMMITTEE AND, UM, JUST YESTERDAY IT PASSED OUT OF HOUSE RULES.
AND SO, UM, IT WILL, UH, MOVE TO, UM, UH, MOVE TO THE FLOOR, UM, FOR A VOTE.
UM, UH, UH, SOMETIME MAYBE THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK, PROBABLY NEXT WEEK.
UM, 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO PUSH OUT, UM, AS MANY BILLS AS, AS THEY CAN IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE THAT ONE IS AT.
BUT IF THAT ONE IS MOVING AS WELL, UM, ANY SENSE ON IF THIS WILL, IF THIS BILL WILL, IF IT HAS A CHANCE OF CONTINUING? YOU KNOW, I THINK WITH, WITH THE VOTE, WELL, I WILL SAY THE, THE VOTE COUNT THAT CAME OUT OF COMMITTEE WAS SEVEN TO ONE.
UM, THERE'S A COUPLE ABSENCES NOT VOTING ON THE COMMITTEE.
UM, BUT GIVEN THAT THE, THIS BILL DID HAVE A VERY PARTISAN VOTE IN THE SENATE, UM, MEANING PARTISAN, MEANING REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR IT, DEMOCRATS VOTED AGAINST IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I I WOULD JUST SAY KIND OF IN AN OVERVIEW, UH, THE GOVERNOR HAS SHOWN THAT IF A BILL DOES NOT HAVE CONSENSUS OR DOES NOT IS, IS NOT BIPARTISAN IN NATURE OF THE VOTES, UM, SHE HAS SUMMARILY VETOED THOSE BILLS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN OR CAN'T, YOU KNOW, SAY THAT THE GOVERNOR'S ABSOLUTELY GONNA DO SOMETHING ON THIS.
BUT GIVEN THAT THE BILL WAS A PARTISAN VOTE IN THE SENATE, UM, IF THAT REMAINS TRUE IN THE HOUSE, THEN THIS IS PROBABLY ON TAP TO BE VETOED, UM, WOULD BE MY GUESSTIMATE ON IT.
AND THEN 1519, UM, THIS IS A OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE WEIGHT
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BILL.UM, THIS INCREASES THE MAXIMUM WEIGHT, UM, FOR RECREATIONAL OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLES, UM, TO THREE, IT INCREASES A THOUSAND OR EXCUSE 1500 POUNDS.
SO IT GO IS GOING FROM 2000 POUNDS TO 3,500 POUNDS.
UM, AND THIS BILL, UH, IT WAS UP THIS WEEK, I THINK I SAW IT.
I SAW THAT, BUT IT WAS WITHDRAWN FROM THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHY IT WAS WITHDRAWN.
UM, BUT IT COULD BE ASSIGNED TO, UH, OR IT WAS RE I SHOULD SAY IT WAS REASSIGNED TO THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE.
SO, UH, IT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS WEEK, BUT WE COULD SEE IT ON AN AGENDA NEXT WEEK BEING THE LAST AGENDA.
UM, SO, SO I, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA GIVE UP ON THIS ONE, BUT AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, UM, UH, IT IS, UH, IT IS KIND OF STALLED OUT A LITTLE BIT UNTIL WE SEE IT UNDER APPROACH AGENDA.
IT TOO PASSED THE SENATE ON A PARTISAN VOTE, 18 TO 12.
SO THEY WERE ABLE TO PICK UP LOOKS LIKE ONE DEMOCRAT ON THAT BILL.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, SAME THING HOLDS TRUE BILLS THAT HAVE A VERY PARTISAN VOTE, UM, UH, GENERALLY ARE MET WITH A VETO FROM THE GOVERNOR.
SO WE WILL HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON THIS ONE OF WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IN THE HOUSE, KATHY? THE BILL THAT, UM, THAT THE LEAGUE IS MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS 2052.
AND I KNOW THAT THE BILL IT'S AT, WHICH HAS A COMPANION HCR MM-HMM
IS, IS THE, I KNOW THAT THE BILL, IT IS DEAD, BUT IS THE HCR YET REFERRED? HAVE THEY APPROVED IT? UH, THEY HAVE NOT APPROVED IT.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT THE BILL NUMBER WAS TO LOOK IT UP FOR YOU.
UM, BUT WHAT HAPPENS TRADITIONALLY OR HISTORICALLY WITH, UH, BALLOT REFERRALS IS THAT WE WILL SEE THEM MOVE KIND OF, WE'LL SEE THEM MOVE THROUGH COMMITTEE, AND THEN WE WILL SEE THEM KIND OF SIT AND WAIT IN RULES OR WAIT TO COME TO THE FLOOR.
UM, BECAUSE THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP OF THE LEGISLATURE WILL DETERMINE WHICH BILLS THEY WANT TO FINISH VOTING ON TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
AND SO IT, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO TELL, UM, WHAT THEY WILL, UM, IF THAT WILL MAKE THE CUT.
AND I WILL JUST ANECDOTALLY SHARE WITH YOU THAT, UM, THAT THAT LAST YEAR THE LEGISLATURE REFERRED THREE BILLS TO THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
UM, AND THEY ARE, WE'RE NOT GONNA, I'VE TALKED TO THE SENATE PRESIDENT ABOUT THIS.
HE SAID THAT THEY COULD REFER BETWEEN FOUR TO SIX, UM, IS KIND OF THE TARGET OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, BUT THAT THEY HAD NOT DETERMINED WHAT THOSE REFERRALS WOULD BE JUST YET.
AND THERE'S LIKE 30 POSSIBILITIES, RIGHT? CORRECT.
YEAH, THERE'S STILL A LARGE NUMBER OF THE BILLS THAT ARE KIND OF POISED AND SO THEY KIND OF TAKE 'EM UP RIGHT TO THE FINISH LINE, UM, AND THEN THEY DECIDE WHICH ONES THEY'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD, USUALLY ON THE LAST DAY OR DAYS OF THE SESSION.
SO, UM, SO WE MAY NOT HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT THOSE ARE UNTIL MUCH LATER.
UM, WHAT OTHER ONE YOU WANTED ME TO TALK ABOUT? 2118.
LAUREN, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT ONE NOW OR IS THERE ANOTHER ONE ON THE LIST BEFORE I GET TO THAT? NOPE, I'LL LET COUNCILOR KINSELLA, UM, MAYBE LEAD THAT OUT.
YEAH, I HAD ASKED LAUREN TO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND BE ABLE TO GIVE US SOME MORE INFORMATION TONIGHT.
THIS IS A, A BILL THAT WOULD PROHIBIT MUNICIPALITIES FROM REQUIRING A MOBILE FOOD VENDOR TO OBTAIN A LOCAL REGULATORY PERMIT OR LICENSE.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS A LOCAL CONTROL ISSUE.
IT WOULD TAKE AWAY, UM, CITY'S ABILITIES, UH, TO DO ANY KIND OF REGULATION ON MOBILE FOOD VENDORS.
ELIMINATES THE AUTHORITY FROM MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES TO REQUIRE SEPARATE LOCAL LICENSURE OF MOBILE FOOD VENDORS BASED ON BACKGROUND CHECKS, IDENTIFICATION OR FINGERPRINTING OF THE OWNER.
UM, THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS IS OPPOSED TO THIS BILL, AND I THOUGHT WE SHOULD DISCUSS IT FOR POSSIBLY REGISTERING OPPOSITION AS WELL.
I WANTED TO JUST, UM, MENTION THAT A WHILE BACK, UH, WE WERE ASKED ABOUT, UM, FROM THE LEAGUE ABOUT WHAT KIND OF IMPACT THIS WOULD HAVE ON US.
I DID REACH OUT TO, UM, MARCY AND CARRIE ON OUR STAFF TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT KIND OF PROCESS ARE WE FOLLOWING NOW WITH FOOD
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TRUCKS? AND, UM, AND TELL ME WHAT IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE.AND, UM, OUR ANSWER THEN, AND I CHECKED IN WITH CARRIE TODAY AS WELL, WAS THAT, UM, NOT A WHOLE LOT SINCE.
UM, WE DON'T REGULATE THEM RIGHT NOW.
WHAT WE DO DO IS, UH, THEY NEED THE, UH, THEY DON'T NEED A PERMIT TO HAVE A FOOD TRUCK IN SEDONA, SO LONG AS THERE'S ONLY ONE ON EACH PARCEL, JUST A BUSINESS LICENSE.
UM, WHAT WE DECIDED WAS THAT IT WOULD MOSTLY BE HARDER FOR US TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF BUSINESSES ARE OPENING UP.
WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE VALUE OF, OF THE BUSINESS LICENSE LIST, UM, FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, WE REFERENCE THAT TO SEE WHAT KIND OF BUSINESSES ARE OPENING UP, WHICH ONES HAVE CLOSED, UM, AND KIND OF WHAT THE MAKEUP OF OUR ECONOMY IS.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T, BUT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S OUR PROCESS.
THAT WAS MY CONCERN WAS THAT IT'S TYING HANDS FOR ANY FUTURE.
UM, AND ALSO THAT THIS COULD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO BE GOOD PARTNERS TO OTHER CITIES THAT THERE ARE, THERE ARE OTHER CITIES THAT THIS IS TYING HANDS WHEN THEY DO REGULATE.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THE LEAGUE POSITION IS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL, SO I THOUGHT WE SHOULD AT LEAST DISCUSS IT.
AND, AND IF I COULD JUST ADD A LITTLE COMMENTARY TO THAT, BECAUSE I DID TALK TO, UM, THE LEAGUE AND A COUPLE OTHER FOLKS ABOUT THIS BILL TO KIND OF GET SOME INSIGHT AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE, THE BILL IS BEING PUSHED BY THE SPONSOR IS THAT, UM, IT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, THE TAXES.
AND SO, UM, WHAT THE, THE FOOD VENDORS WOULD LIKE IS TO PAY THE TAX BASED ON WHERE THEY TOOK OUT, LIKE KIND OF THE CALL THEIR HOME, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS LICENSE, UM, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, YOU KNOW, I'LL USE UP HERE OR DOWN HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU LIVE IN PHOENIX, BUT YOU GO DO A FESTIVAL IN TEMPE, AND BASICALLY, SO SOME OF IT HAD TO DO WITH THAT REMITTING OF THE TAXES.
UM, AND, AND SO SOME OF IT WAS THE SIMPLIFICATION OF THAT FOR THEM WAS THE, THE JUSTIFICATION FOR WHY YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO OBTAIN LIKE THE LOCAL LICENSE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO SOME OF IT WOULD BE TO, IF, YOU KNOW, WITH A LOCAL LICENSE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO INSPECTIONS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, OTHER THINGS BASED ON THAT LICENSE.
AND SO THEY WERE ALSO TRYING TO GET AROUND SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT A KINDA A TRADITIONAL RESTAURANT SIT DOWN RESTAURANT HAS TO, UM, HAS TO GO THROUGH IF THEY ARE A LICENSED, YOU KNOW, UM, RESTAURANT IN YOUR CITY.
AND SO AGAIN, WHAT IT WAS KIND OF PORTRAYED TO ME WAS THAT THIS WAS JUST A WAY TO GET AROUND A LOT OF LOCAL REGULATION, UM, WAS WHAT THE IMPETUS BEHIND THE BILL WAS FOR THE SPONSOR.
UM, KATHY, DO YOU KNOW HOW THIS ORIGINALLY, WHO BROUGHT IT TO THE LEAGUE? DID IT ORIGINATE AT THE LEAGUE OR DID IT ORIGINATE WITH, UH, CERTAIN MUNICIPALITIES OR WHAT'S THE JAN? YEAH, SO THE, THE BILL IS SPONSORED BY REPRESENTATIVE NEIL CARTER, WHO IS IN, UH, LIKE SANTA TAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE VERY EAST, EAST, YOU KNOW, MESA, UM, DISTRICT.
AND HE IS, UM, NOTORIOUS FOR ONLY RUNNING BILLS THAT HIS CONSTITUENTS HAVE BROUGHT TO HIM.
SO, UM, SO THIS ONE, UH, IS, IS VERY MUCH A, A CONSTITUENT DRIVEN BILL, UM, FOR HIM.
HOW ARE HEALTH INSPECTIONS FOR THESE BUSINESSES CONDUCTED? IS THAT BY THE COUNTY? BY THE COUNTY? WOULD THIS INTERFERE WITH THAT? WOULD THIS INTERFERE WITH COUNTY HEALTH INSPECTIONS IN ANY WAY OR, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT SOMETHING WE COULD ASK ABOUT.
CAN I FOLLOW UP ON THAT QUESTION? YEAH.
KATHY, DO YOU KNOW THE, UM, SO THIS WOULD PROHIBIT SOME HEALTH INSPECTIONS TO HAPPEN AT MUNICIPAL LEVEL, BUT ARE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES LEAVE IT TO THEIR COUNTIES FOR HEALTH INSPECTIONS OR OTHER MUNICIPALITIES DO THEM IN ADDITION TO THE COUNTY? OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? DO YOU HAVE ANY BACKGROUND ON THAT? I THINK, I THINK MOST OF 'EM DO ALLOW, HAVE THE COUNTY THAT, THAT DOES THAT JOB.
SO THIS WOULDN'T, YOU DON'T SEE THIS INTERFERING WITH THAT PROCESS.
SO IN A NUTSHELL IT WAS, IT WAS A WAY TO GET AROUND ALL THE WAY IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME IT WAS A WAY TO GET AROUND, UM, AND A LOT OF THE REGULATIONS THAT WOULD COME WITH HAVING TO HAVE
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A BUSINESS LICENSE OR PERMIT IN EVERY, EVERY PLACE THAT THEY WOULD GO TO OPERATE THE FOOD TRUCK.WELL, WE REQUIRE A PERMIT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? DON'T WE? YES, BUT THE PERMIT RELIES ON THE COUNTY FOR THE HEALTH INSPECTION.
BUT THIS WOULD ELIMINATE OUR ABILITY TO MM-HMM
WE, YEAH, WE DON'T GIVE THEM A PERMIT.
WE GIVE THEM A BUSINESS LICENSE.
AND THAT WOULD BE ELIMINATED IF THIS WERE TO PASS, RIGHT? YES.
BECAUSE IT SAYS, IT SAYS PERMIT OR LICENSE.
AND SO WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THE, THE TRADE OFF WHEN CARRIE AND I TALKED ABOUT, OKAY, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE VALUE OF THE BUSINESS LICENSE ASIDE FROM BEING ABLE TO TRACK THE BUSINESSES IN OUR TOWN, WHICH HAS A VALUE IN OF ITSELF.
IT'S UNDERSTANDING THE ECONOMIC MAKEUP OF, OF SEDONA, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY FOOD TRUCKS DO WE HAVE? HOW MANY, UM, HOTELS DO WE HAVE? HOW MANY RESTAURANTS DO WE HAVE? YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING.
WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOSE THAT INSIGHT INTO THAT BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO JUST DO A SPOT CHECK, YOU KNOW? BUT I, I DON'T, I THINK I UNDERSTAND IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE NOTHING WOULD COMPEL US TO DO SOMETHING IF THIS, UM, IF WE OPPOSE THIS, WE'RE BASICALLY SUPPORTING, AGAIN, IT'S A LOCAL CONTROL ISSUE.
UH, IF THIS PASSED OR IF THIS FAIL, I MEAN, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, UM, IMPACT ON US IF WE DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE ANYTHING BASED ON THE OUTCOME OF THIS BILL.
IF IF IT, WE WOULD BE PROHIBITED THE FUTURE.
IF I'M SAYING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO START DOING A DIFFERENT PERMITTING STRUCTURE OR DIFFERENT LICENSING STRUCTURE, I'M SAYING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE ANYTHING IF THIS, IF THIS DID, UM, YOU ARE ACCURATE.
WE WOULD JUST LOSE INSIGHTS THAT WE DON'T HAVE NOW.
IS IT REALLY, IS IT AN ECONOMIC ISSUE? 'CAUSE FOOD TRUCKS ARE SMALLER AND POTENTIALLY LESS PROFITABLE IF THEY DON'T WANNA HAVE TO PAY THE FOR BUSINESS LICENSE? IS THAT THE ISSUE? I DON'T KNOW.
KATHY, IT SOUNDED MORE LIKE IT WAS, IT WAS RELATED TO TAXES.
ARE AM I, CAN YOU SHED SOME LIGHT ON THAT? YEAH.
THE, THE WAY IT WAS DESCRIBED TO ME IS THAT THEY BASICALLY WANTED THAT THEIR TAXES TO BE FOLLOW WHERE THEY WERE KIND OF LIKE, CALL IT THEIR HOME OR THEIR HOME BUSINESS LICENSES.
AND IF THEY WERE HAVING A BUSINESS LICENSE IN, YOU KNOW, SEDONA AND BUSINESS LICENSE IN CAMP VERDE IN, YOU KNOW, NAME YOUR OTHER CITIES, UM, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY TAXES BASED ON, OR AT LEAST THAT'S, AGAIN, THE WAY IT WAS DESCRIBING ME, THAT THEY WOULD'VE TO PAY TAXES WHEN THEY WERE BASICALLY UTILIZING THAT BUSINESS LICENSE IN SEDONA.
UM, AND THEN THEY GO DO A FESTIVAL IN CAMP VERDE, THEN THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TAXES FROM THAT BUSINESS LICENSE IN CAMP VERDE.
AND SO THIS WAS A WAY, IT WAS, IT WAS, AGAIN, DESCRIBED TO ME AS A WAY TO SIMPLIFY THEIR TAXES SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO, I GUESS, DO THE, THE ACCOUNTING OF WHEREVER THEY TRAVEL TO, UM, TO PROVIDE, TO PROVIDE FOOD.
HOW DO YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT THIS, CHARLOTTE? I DON'T, I DON'T MIND OPPOSING IT.
IT'S ALSO A REVENUE LOSS FOR SEDONA, THOUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, BUT THERE'S SOME REVENUE LOSS IF THIS WOULD PASS.
SO JUST FROM THAT STANDPOINT AND, AND THE LOCAL CONTROL, I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO OPPOSE IT.
I DON'T KNOW AT THIS STAGE OF THE PROCESS WHAT EFFECT THAT HAS.
IF, IF THIS IS THE LAST WEEK FOR HEARINGS, DOES IT HAVE LEGS? IT, IT IS ON AN AGENDA FOR TOMORROW MORNING.
UM, AND I WILL SAY THAT IT IS OPPOSED BY A NUMBER OF CITIES AROUND, AROUND THE STATE.
I WAS TRYING TO LOOK TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY LIKE KIND OF IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS, BUT NOT SEEING THAT IMMEDIATELY.
UM, THE BILL DID PASS OUT OF THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY WITH ONLY 32 VOTES, WHICH WOULD SUGGEST IN LOOKING AT THE VOTES, IT, IT IS A PARTISAN BILL.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, PARTISAN BILLS GENERALLY ARE MET WITH A VETO BY THE GOVERNOR, KATHY.
FOR ME, IT JUST GOES BACK TO OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA THAT WE AGREED ON ABOUT DEFENDING LOCAL AUTHORITY.
UM, SO, AND I LIKE TO BRING THAT BROADER THAN JUST SEDONA AND HELP OTHERS DEFEND THEIR LOCAL AUTHORITY.
SO EVEN THOUGH THE IMPACT ISN'T THAT GREAT ON US, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US OPPOSE THIS BILL.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY PROBLEMS OPPOSING
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IT? I SUPPORT OPPOSING IT.IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON OPPOSING IT.
THAT'S ALL WE HAD FOR TONIGHT.
ANY OTHER BILLS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT? UH, THERE'S THE STRIKE ALL THAT HAS INCORPORATED THE MORATORIUM ON, UH, MUNICIPAL FEES AND SO FORTH.
SO KATHY, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THAT? DOES IT HAVE, DOES IT HAVE LEGS TO GO ALL THE WAY? AND IS IT JUST GONNA BE A PARTISAN THING AND THE, THE GOVERNOR'S GONNA VETO IT? WELL, I THINK THE, THE BILL YES, PARTISAN AND WOULD BE VETOED.
THE BALLOT REFERRAL, UM, UH, WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE.
UM, AND, AND WE'LL GO ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WITH THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LEAGUE AND EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THIS HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB TO, UH, OPPOSE AND, YOU KNOW, KILL THE ORIGINAL BILLS.
UM, AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, AN EFFORT, A STRONG EFFORT WILL BE PUT INTO, YOU KNOW, COMBATING THAT STRIKER, UM, TO KE YOU KNOW, TO KEEP IT OFF.
UM, AND SO I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A FIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO TO, TO KEEP IT OFF THE BALLOT, TO KEEP IT OFF, YOU KNOW, FROM GOING TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK.
BUT SO FAR, UM, THE VOTES APPEAR TO, TO BE THERE TO DO THAT.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THE STRYKER IS IN THE SENATE, SO THAT MEANS IT'S A HOUSE BILL, WHICH WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE HOUSE FOR A FINAL VOTE.
AND GIVEN THAT VOTE COUNT, I WOULD SAY THERE'S A HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT IT WOULD FAIL AGAIN.
SO IT'S DEFINITELY A BILL, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO WATCH.
AND CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR VIEW ABOUT THE BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS
THERE ARE NO BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS.
UM, THE, UH, THE SENATE PRESIDENT HAS TOLD THE GOVERNOR THAT THERE IS NO WAY THAT HIS CAUCUS WOULD EVER DO, UH, A REFERRAL ON PROP 1, 2, 3, WHICH AS YOU GUYS KNOW, IS FUNDING FOR EDUCATION.
THAT, THAT IS DRAW, DRAW DOWN FROM THE STATE LAND TRUST.
AND IT INCREASED THE STATE, THE, THE DRAW DOWN FROM 2.9 TO 4.9% AND IT SUPPLIES AN, AN EXTRA $300 MILLION TO EDUCATION BECAUSE THIS WAS PART OF A SETTLEMENT FROM, UH, FROM A LAWSUIT ON SCHOOL FUNDING.
UM, THE STATE IS STILL ON THE HOOK FOR THAT 300 MILLION, EVEN THOUGH PROP 1, 2 3 HAS EXPIRED.
AND SO THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT THIS YEAR ON THE BUDGET THAT THEY WOULD, UM, DO PROP 1, 2, 3 IN SOME FORM OR REFERRAL SO THAT THEY COULD USE THAT 300 MILLION TOWARDS THE BUDGET.
UM, AND, AND, AND I'LL ALSO SAY ON THE BUDGET THAT, UM, BUT IT DOES NOT, AND LEMME BACK UP.
SO ON THE PROMPT, 1, 2, 3, AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I THINK THE REPUBLICANS HAVE GALVANIZED AROUND NOT WANTING TO DO 1, 2 3, IS THAT THEY ARE UPSET THAT THERE HAS BEEN A CITIZEN INITIATIVE, UM, PULLED YEAH.
THAT WOULD, UH, PUT GUARDRAILS ON, UH, THE ESA PROGRAM.
AND SO ACCORDING TO THE SENATE PRESIDENT, THAT'S REALLY GALVANIZED HIS CAUCUS TO NOT WANT TO DO PROP 1, 2, 3.
UM, AND SO I, I DON'T SEE RIGHT NOW A PATH FORWARD FOR THAT HAPPENING.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT WAS A BREAKDOWN WITH THE GOVERNOR ON THE BUDGET WAS, UM, UNDER THE, THE HR ONE, THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL STATES COULD BE REIMBURSED FOR BORDER SECURITY.
AND ARIZONA HAD APPLIED FOR $750 MILLION, UH, IN REIMBURSEMENT FOR THINGS THAT, FOR THINGS THAT WE HAVE SPENT ON BORDER SECURITY.
AND, UH, APPARENTLY THE, THE FEDERAL ADMINISTRATION HAS SAID, UM, THERE'S NO WAY THEY ARE GOING TO RELEASE THOSE FUNDS TO ARIZONA, UM, AS LONG AS WE HAVE A DEMOCRAT GOVERNOR.
AND SO, UM, THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP, HAVING HEARD THIS SOMEWHERE, UH, SAID TO THE GOVERNOR, LIKE, YOU NEED TO REBUILD YOUR BUDGET BECAUSE BASICALLY THERE'S A BILLION, DO YOU, YOU'RE COUNTING ON A BILLION DOLLARS OF REVENUE BEING THERE.
AND WE KNOW THAT NOT TO BE TRUE.
AND SO, UM, SO THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE THE BREAKDOWN CAME IN THE BUDGET.
BUT EVEN, EVEN IF THEY ALL AGREED ON THAT BILLION DOLLARS TO BE IN THE BUDGET, THE THE STATE
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IS STILL UPSIDE DOWN TO THE TUNE OF 1.8 BILLION.UM, WHEN I TALKED TO HOUSE DIM STAFF ON KIND OF WHERE THEY, WHERE WE WERE ON THE BUDGET, UM, THEIR WORDS WERE, THE STATE IS IN SOLVENT AT THE MOMENT, UM, BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE OF BEING 1.8 BILLION IN, IN, UM, IN, IN, IN, IN THE RED.
UM, AND WE STILL HAVEN'T DONE THE TAX CONFORMITY PIECE THAT HAS BEEN A PRIORITY FOR, FOR REPUBLICANS.
UM, AND THAT COULD ADD TO THAT DEFICIT THAT WE HAVE.
UM, JOBC, THE JOINT LEGISLATIVE BUDGET BUDGET COMMITTEE HAS ESTIMATED THAT IF WE DO THE FULL TAX CONFORMITY UNDER HR ONE, UM, THAT THAT WOULD BE AROUND A 400, I THINK THREE 50 OR $400 MILLION HIT EVERY YEAR, UM, TO THE BUDGET.
SO BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS ARE PRETTY MUCH AT A STALEMATE RIGHT NOW.
UM, WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING WITH THE SESSION IS THAT THEY WILL FINISH COMMITTEES THIS WEEK.
WE'LL DO THE TWO LAST APPROPRIATION MEETINGS NEXT WEEK, MARCH 30TH AND 31ST.
AND THEN I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOME, UM, ATTENDANCE ISSUES WITH MEMBERS AROUND THE EASTER HOLIDAY.
SO WHAT'S COME TO BE KIND OF AFFECTIONATELY KNOWN AS THEY MIGHT TAKE A SPRING BREAK
SO ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY MAY TRY TO BLOW OUT ALL THE BILLS.
UM, AND THERE IS KIND OF A THREAT THAT THEY MAY SEND THE GOVERNOR A, WHAT WE KIND OF CALL A SKINNY BUDGET, WHICH IS KIND OF THE BARE BONES, JUST KEEPS THE LIGHT ON, YOU KNOW, UM, TIGHT BUDGET AND SIGNY DIE.
UM, AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND OTHERS THINK THAT WE WILL GO UNTIL THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
UM, AND, AND SO IT, IT, IT'S HARD TO TELL KIND OF HOW THE SESSION IS GONNA WRAP UP HERE AS WE'RE IN KIND OF THE FINAL DAYS OF BILLS AND COMMITTEE.
UM, BUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE POINTED OUT IS THAT THE LEGISLATURE, UM, CHANGED, UH, THE PRIMARY, THEY MOVED THE PRIMARY UP A WEEK.
SO IT IS THE LAST WEEK IN JULY INSTEAD OF THAT FIRST WEEK IN AUGUST.
AND SO A LOT OF FOLKS THINK THAT MIGHT BE A DRIVER FOR MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, RUNNING FOR REELECTION.
'CAUSE EVERY TWO YEARS THE ENTIRE LEGISLATURE IS UP FOR, UM, UH, REELECTION.
AND SO GENERALLY THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM IS THAT YOU WOULD, THE, THE, THE ELECTION YEAR SESSION WOULD BE A SHORTER, QUICKER SESSION BECAUSE OF THAT.
UM, BUT SO FAR NOT, NOT SEEING THAT TO BE THE CASE.
SO, SORRY, I DON'T HAVE A MORE DEFINITIVE ANSWER, BUT, UM, BUT THERE'S A DEFICIT AND THE LEGISLATIVE LEADERSHIP AND THE GOVERNOR ARE NOT TALKING RIGHT NOW.
JUST A RAY OF SUNSHINE IN THE BACK.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, KATHY.
[9.g. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items.]
OKAY, ITEM G, AB 30 66, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING, PETE? I DO NOT.WELL THEN WITHOUT FURTHER, I DO, WE ARE
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