* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. TO DO IT, BUT [00:00:01] IT IS, IT IS 1104. IT [City Council Compensation Work Group on March 17, 2026.] IS LIVE. AND COOL. YOU'RE UP AND RUNNING WHEN YOU'RE READY. ALL RIGHT. WELL LET IT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. THIS IS MARCH 17TH, 2026. IT'S THE INITIAL MEETING OF THE COUNCIL COMPENSATION WORK GROUP. UM, WE CAN DO A ROLL CALL SHOW AND GO AROUND AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. YEAH, YEAH. YEP. YEAH. LET'S DO KIND OF A ROLL CALL AND A LITTLE BRIEF INTRODUCTION OF WHO YOU ARE, WHY YOU DECIDED TO, UH, SIGN UP FOR THIS AND FOR THIS, THIS WORK GROUP. AND, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER TIDBIT OR TWO ABOUT YOU THAT WE, YOU'D LIKE US TO KNOW. SEAN, WHY DON'T YOU START? SEAN SMITH, RESIDENT OF SEDONA, UM, PARTICIPATE IN HOUSING ADVOCACY AND, UM, I AM INTERESTED IN SEEING MORE DIVERSE SET OF CANDIDATES. CITY COUNCIL, UH, CJ, UH, TRINITY, I JUST MOVED TO ABOUT A YEAR AGO. NICE. FROM THE VALLEY. I'M AN ARCHITECTURAL PHOTOGRAPHER, UH, AND I'VE ALWAYS HAD KIND OF A STRONG INTEREST IN COMMUNITY GOVERNANCES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I'M GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE INTRO. YOU HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH THE CITIZENS ACADEMY YET? I HAVE NOT. IS THAT ON YOUR LIST? IT SHOULD BE, YEAH. SO A GOOD INTRODUCTION TO THE CITY GOVERNMENT, NEW RESIDENTS. WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND THEY, SEAN WENT THROUGH IT. I WENT THROUGH IT YEARS AGO. DID LAUREN, DID YOU? NO, IT WAS AFTER MY TIME. BROCK, DID YOU EVER GO TO ONE? NO. BUT YOU GET ALL THE CITY DEPARTMENT HEADS COMING THROUGH TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE CITY DOES AND YOU REALLY LEARN QUITE A BIT ABOUT HOW BOOT CAMP YEAH. IT'S BOOTCAMP. YEP. SEVERAL WEEKS AND MARCH. IT'S CALLED, IT'S CALLED, UH, THE CITIZENS ACADEMY AND YOU'LL WANNA GET A HOLD OF, UH, KEEGAN, WHATEVER KEEGAN'S LAST NAME IS. I'LL PAUL, ACTUALLY, PROBABLY I'LL DO PAUL. YEAH. I'LL PROBABLY JUST MAKE SURE, GET AN EMAIL SENT TO YOU THROUGH KEEGAN. OH, AT LEAST. YEAH. 'CAUSE SHE CAN GET YOU ON THAT LIST WHEN THAT COMES AROUND AND ALL GENERALLY. YEP. YEAH. 'CAUSE UH, YEAH. GREAT. BROCK, I'M ROB DELINSKY. I OWN COMPOST CROWD AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE CITY COUNCIL TO GET PAID. 17. YES, IT DOES. YOU KIND OF RAN ON ONE OF THOSE ISSUES. YEP. . I, I'M LAURA RUMAN AND I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF SEDONA SINCE 1979. I HAVE BEEN A FORMER ELECTED OFFICIAL WITH THE FIRE BOARD, AND I'M INTERESTED IN THE TOPIC OF COMPENSATION FOR COUNCIL. VERY COOL. AND SO, I'M PETE FERMAN, CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, IN THE LAST YEAR OF MY TERM. I WILL BE OFF COUNCIL AT IN NOVEMBER WHEN THE NEW PEOPLE COME ON. UM, IT'S KIND OF A, UH, POLITICAL TRADITION FOR OUTGOING COUNCIL MEMBERS TO THINK ABOUT THIS ISSUE. UM, ALTHOUGH NOT SO MUCH IN SEDONA. UM, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY ONE THAT I WANT TO THINK ABOUT, UM, MOVING FORWARD AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. UH, RUSS, YOU WANT TO GIVE YOUR YEAH. RUSS MARTIN, UH, RECOVERING CITY MANAGER FROM VER POOR BABY. SO I'VE BEEN HERE A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS AS THE HR MANAGER. SO COMPENSATION IS SOMETHING THAT'S IN MY BAIL WIG. SO, UH, THE CITY MANAGER ASSIGNED THIS TO ME TO BE KIND OF YOUR LIAISON AND MAYBE GO GET DETAILS AND INFORMATION. SO I'LL TRY TO KEEP QUIET AND TAKE DIRECTION AS NECESSARY. COOL. THANK YOU. COOL. AND HOPEFULLY COLLIE WILL JOIN US HERE. NOT YET. I, I SENT HER AN EMAIL BACK. I DON'T, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS. I DO. DO YOU HAVE A TEXT? YEP. I'LL CALL HER THOSE. REMINDER, OUR CHARTER HERE, OUR CHARGE OF THIS GROUP IS TO THINK ABOUT THIS ISSUE, STUDY THE ISSUE, AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. WHAT CITY COUNCIL DOES WITH IT AFTER WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION IS UP TO CITY COUNCIL. AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT ALL OUR HARD WORK WON'T BE, UH, UM, THOUGHT ABOUT IN A DIFFERENT, IN A VIEW. UH, IT MAY OR MAY NOT. WE'LL, WE'LL SEE. UM, WE OFTEN START MEETINGS LIKE THIS, TALKING ABOUT GROUND RULES OF HOW TO TREAT EACH OTHER AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU, YOU DIDN'T BRING ANYTHING PREPARED, RUSS FOR THAT? NO. YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY THE WORLD'S IN THIRD GRADE. BE HERE WITH THE INTENT TO LISTEN MORE THAN YOU SPEAK. PROBABLY TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT, UH, ONE CONVERSATION AT A TIME. THAT'S MY JOB TO SORT OF MONITOR THAT, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL SPEAKING, UH, THAT ONLY ONE PERSON IS SPEAKING AT A TIME. AND, UH, GENERALLY BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THIS TOPIC. I KNOW THAT PROBABLY, I ACTUALLY, I'VE WRITTEN DOWN SOME THINGS THAT I WANNA COVER. ONE OF THEM IS WHAT ARE OUR PRIORS ON, ON THIS ISSUE? BROCK KIND OF ALLUDED TO WHAT HIS THOUGHTS WERE ALREADY. I'D LIKE US ALL TO GET A CHANCE TO PUT THAT ON THE TABLE [00:05:01] AS TO WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM WITH REGARD TO THIS ISSUE. UM, I'M SUPER PSYCHED THAT YOU ALL ARE HERE. UH, EVERYONE HERE I THINK HAS A REPUTATION, UH, WITH US ABOUT BEING THOUGHTFUL AND, UH, INTELLIGENT AND KIND OF KIND AND THOUGHTFUL. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GUESSING ABOUT UCJ, BUT SOMEONE THAT'S COMING. KELLY, ARE YOU IN? THIS WORKS FOR YOU. THIS WORK. SHEREEN, WE CAN HEAR YOU. GOOD COLLIE. THANK YOU. COLLIE. WHY DON'T YOU JUST DO A QUICK INTRODUCTION TO YOURSELF, YOUR NAME, WHY YOU APPLIED HERE, A FACTOR TWO ABOUT YOUR LIFE THAT WE'D ALL WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. SURE. MY NAME IS CLIE GSKI. UM, I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN SEDONA. UH, I LEFT FOR ABOUT A DECADE AND CAME BACK TO OPEN SEDONA BUICK COMPANY. UM, I'M INVOLVED, I SIT ON PLANNING AND ZONING AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH CITY PROJECTS FOR ABOUT THE LAST DECADE. AND, UM, YEAH, I'VE GOT TWO LOCATIONS OF MY BUSINESS AND A 3-YEAR-OLD. GREAT COLLIE. SO WE'RE ALL HERE. SEAN, CJ, LAURA BROCK, UH, ONLY DIANE IS MISSING. AND OF COURSE YOU KNOW RUSS AS WELL. YEP. WE JUST KIND OF STARTED. I WAS, UH, JUST MENTION, UH, GROUND RULES, ALL THE TYPICAL GROUND RULES. CALI, YOU KNOW, ALL ABOUT IT. OPEN MEETING RULES IS ANOTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO MENTION. THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING. THERE IS NOBODY FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TODAY, BUT THE AGENDA IS POSTED AND THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO JOIN US AND IF THEY JOIN US, WE'RE GONNA GIVE 'EM A SPOT TO, UM, SPEAK AS WELL. UH, SO HOPEFULLY OVER TIME WE'LL GET, UH, ENGAGEMENT FROM MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. I HOPE SO. UM, GREAT. WE WERE, WE, UH, UH, THESE MEETINGS ARE BEING RECORDED. I DON'T KNOW, ARE WE GONNA POST THE RECORDINGS? UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR TRADITION IS, BUT I KNOW THAT I'M GONNA PUT SOME NOTES TOGETHER. 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WITH ONE MEMBER MISSING, I'LL DO THAT AND I'LL DISTRIBUTE. OKAY. UH, HOPEFULLY SOME PRETTY GOOD SUMMARY NOTES. GREAT. ESPECIALLY THAT WILL HELP, I THINK, BUILD ON AS WE GO FORWARD WITH OTHER MEETINGS. IT'S LIKE, THIS COULD TAKE US A FEW AND BEING ABLE TO USE THAT FOR YOUR OWN REFERENCE WILL BE GOOD AS WELL. GOOD, GOOD. THANK YOU FOR THAT, FOR DOING THE MINUTES AND WHATNOT. I EXPECT THAT OUR MEETINGS, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO KEEP 'EM TO 90 MINUTES. I HAVE A HARD TIME STICKING TO THINGS LIKE THAT. I'M A MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL AND WE LIKE TO TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING AND AND EVERYTHING. UM, BUT WE'LL TRY TO, UH, HONOR YOUR TIME COMMITMENTS HERE AS WELL. I EXPECT THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE MAYBE THREE OR FOUR MEETINGS ON THIS TOPIC. UM, WE'LL OUTLINE WHAT WE'D LIKE TO TACKLE, UM, UH, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE MEETING. UH, I'VE GOT SOME IDEAS. UM, LISTEN, INTERESTED TO HEAR YOUR IDEAS. I'M HOPING, YOU KNOW, RUSS IS OUR STAFFER, BUT HE'S ONE PERSON WITH A FULL-TIME JOB. A BIG, FULL-TIME JOB IN THE CITY. AND SO I BELIEVE THIS GROUP HAS THE ABILITY AND THE CAPACITY TO DO SOME OF OUR OWN WORK. AND I'M GONNA LOOK FORWARD TO PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO DO THAT AND, AND CONTRIBUTE. ANOTHER WAY THAT WE CAN CONTRIBUTE IS TALK TO AS MANY PEOPLE ON THIS TOPIC AS YOU CAN AND REPORT TO THE GROUP ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE HEARING ON THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT COUNCIL COMPENSATION. UM, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE A REALLY DIVISIVE ISSUE. UM, ONE OF THE PLACES THAT WE'RE GONNA STUDY IS, UH, FLAGSTAFF THAT RECENTLY WENT THROUGH THIS A HANDFUL OF YEARS AGO, JUST, JUST A FEW YEARS AGO. UM, THEY HAD A REALLY INTERESTING CONVERSATION OVER TIME UP THERE. I HOPE THAT WE GET A CHANCE TO REALLY STUDY WHAT HAPPENED UP THERE, WHAT THE ARGUMENTS WERE AND WHAT THEIR PROCESS WAS AND WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS IN THE END. UH, JUST GROUND RULING STUFF. AGAIN, SEAN, I'M NOT CALLING YOU OUT SPECIFICALLY. I THINK IT'S A CONVERSATION WE ALL SHOULD HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA POSTING ABOUT OUR GROUP. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS WILL, WILL, PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW THIS TOPIC OR NOT. UM, BUT I ASK THAT, UH, IF YOU ENGAGE IN SOCIAL MEDIA AND YOU SEE POSTS LIKE THAT, TO BE REALLY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW AND WHEN AND WHY YOU POST OUR CONVERSATION REALLY SHOULD STAY HERE. UM, I SUPPOSE IF YOU SEE SOME FACTUAL STUFF THAT IS SAID THAT IS JUST NOT TRUE AND YOU WANNA CORRECT THAT MESSAGE, THAT MIGHT BE AN APPROPRIATE THING TO DO. BUT IN GENERAL, I WOULD PREFER THAT WE KEEP OUR CONVERSATION HERE OPEN RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC. UH, AND THAT'S HOW WE MOVE FORWARD. DOES ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT OR ISSUES WITH THAT? SEAN AND I HAS ALREADY TALKED. SEAN'S QUITE A SOCIAL MEDIA POSTER IN TOWN. HE TAKES ON A LOT OF ISSUES, UH, THAT ARE, IT IS REALLY INTERESTING. AND, AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT. 'CAUSE IT REALLY HELPS THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION BY PUTTING STUFF OUT. UM, BUT WHEN YOU'RE ON A MEMBER OF A WORK GROUP, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ROLE THAN JUST OUT THERE LISTENING IN. SO ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS ON THAT TOPIC, SEAN? I SECOND THOSE THOUGHTS. [00:10:01] GREAT. THIS HAS BEEN A PRINCIPAL ISSUE ON THE PART OF SOME RESIDENTS IN THE PAST ON THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK AND OTHER THINGS. AND YEAH, SO I, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS WANNA BE CALLED OUT IF I DO SAY SOMETHING PUBLIC, IF I SAID SOMETHING, A BIASED NATURE OR ACTUALLY INCORRECT AND WHATNOT. SO YEAH, IT'S JUST SAFER. JUST NOT DO ANY OF THAT DURING THIS PROCESS. YEAH, DURING THE PROCESS. LAURA, YOU POST SOME? NOT A LOT, BUT SOME, YEAH, VERY. YEAH. I, I TRY TO, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO HAVE COMMUNICATIONS AMONGST THEMSELVES ABOUT THE RIGHT ISSUES AND NOT NECESSARILY WHAT I THINK, BUT . ALL RIGHT. SO THE NEXT THING I WOULD LIKE TO GO, UH, THROUGH IS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, COLLIE, INTERRUPT ANY TIME SINCE I CAN'T SEE YOU, YOUR BODY LANGUAGE AND YOUR SHIFTING BACK AND FORTH IN YOUR CHAIR. OOH, OOH. I NEED TO SPEAK. SO FEEL FREE JUST TO BUTT IN AT ANY TIME YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS SO FAR, COLLIE? NOPE, I'M GOOD, THANK YOU. OKAY, GREAT. SO I'D LIKE TO GO, AS I MENTIONED, UH, AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOUR PRIORS ARE COMING INTO THIS, YOUR, YOUR BIASES, YOUR PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT OPINIONS ABOUT THIS TOPIC. I WROTE SOME STUFF DOWN THAT I ACTUALLY WANT TO GO THROUGH WITH YOU ALL. YOU DON'T NEED TO SPEND AS MUCH TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS AS, AS I DID. UM, I'VE GIVEN THIS, OF COURSE, A LOT OF THOUGHT. THIS IS, UH, A WORK GROUP THAT I ASKED COUNCIL TO FORM AND, AND, UH, AND GO THROUGH. AND SO I'VE GIVEN SOME THOUGHT TO IT. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT MY PRIORS TO THIS IS THAT PUBLIC SERVICE IS GENERALLY A VOLUNTEER POSITION. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN SORT OF MY STARTED. OKAY. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN, UH, ONE OF MY ORIENTATIONS ABOUT THAT. AND THAT COMES FROM YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE BEFORE I MOVED TO SEDONA IN, UH, IN CALIFORNIA, EVEN THOUGH I SERVED A MAYOR, UH, IN A SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA, A MILLION PEOPLE CITY. SO VERY 10TH LARGEST CITY OF THE UNITED STATES. AND SO IT WAS A QUITE A BIG OPERATION. AND THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL WERE FULL-TIME JOBS THERE, AND THEY ACTUALLY HAD STAFF AS WELL. IT WAS STILL A COUNCIL MANAGER, FORMER GOVERNMENT, BUT IT WAS JUST A MUCH BIGGER OPERATION. UM, BUT I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT, UH, PUBLIC SERVICE SHOULD BE A VOLUNTEER POSITION. AND PARTLY BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY LIKE CAREER POLITICIANS ALL THAT MUCH. I THINK PUBLIC SERVICE IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE SHOULD VOLUNTEER FOR, COME IN AND DO THEIR SERVICE, AND THEN GET ON WITH THEIR LIVES BECAUSE WE NEED PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING THEIR LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY TO COME IN AND HELP SET WHAT THE POLICY IS. AND SO THAT'S BEEN MY BACKGROUND, BUT I MUST ADMIT THAT SEDONAS BEEN A REALLY INTERESTING EXPERIENCE FOR ME TO SEE THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THIS TOWN, HOW IT'S REALLY COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN ANY PLACE THAT I'VE LIVED BEFORE. OUR AGING POPULATION, OUR SHRINKING POPULATION, WHETHER IT'S ACTUALLY STILL SHRINKING OR NOT, IT'S A MODERATE DEBATE. UM, AND I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT COUNCIL POLICY SHOULD BE SET, AND I DO THINK IT IS SET, UM, WITH AN EYE TO THE FUTURE, NOT ONLY THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE CURRENTLY AND WHAT THEY LIKE AND DISLIKE, BUT WHAT THE TOWN IS GONNA LOOK 10, 20, 50 YEARS FROM NOW. AND THAT'S HOW YOU, WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT, UM, UM, PUBLIC SERVICE. AND SO I AM, MY VIEWPOINT HAS SHIFTED AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH BROCK IN THE PAST AND COLLIE IN THE PAST ON THIS TOPIC. AND, UH, AND I'M VERY OPEN TO THE IDEA OF, UH, UH, UH, OF A, OF A WAGE THAT PERHAPS OFFSETS THE OPPORTUNITY, LOST OPPORTUNITY, COST OF PUBLIC SERVICE. THIS JOB IS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A VOLUNTEER POSITION, IT'S NEARLY FULL-TIME. IT'S REALLY INTERESTING THE DYNAMICS OF A SMALL TOWN. MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT WHEN I WALK DOWN THE STREET, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR MY NEIGHBORS TO COME WALKING OUT OF THEIR HOUSE TO SAY, PPP, THERE'S ONE, CAN WE TALK? OR, I CANNOT GO TO SAFEWAY WITHOUT SOMEBODY SAYING HELLO. A LOT OF TIMES IT'S NICE JOB. SOMETIMES IT'S NOT NICE JOB, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S A, A A, AN ENGAGED CONVERSATION IN THE, IN THE GROCERY STORE, WHICH IS REALLY INTERESTING IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT I KNOW I AND MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS PUT INTO THIS JOB IS FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT. SO I'M OPEN-MINDED THESE DAYS, UM, TO THINKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE. I SHOULD MAKE SURE WE ALL GET A CHANCE TO READ. UH, OCTOBER 27TH, 2022, UH, EDITORIAL IN THE RED ROCK NEWS THAT JASON FOX GRAHAM WROTE, AND IT'S REALLY INTERESTING. HE WROTE THE, THE TITLE OF THE EDITORIAL IS SEDONA CITY COUNCIL FOR FULL-TIME WORK, OR NOT AT ALL, WHICH WAS REALLY INTERESTING. AND JUST ONE OF THE PARAGRAPHS IN THERE THAT I WANTED TO READ THIS MODEL, NO, OR LOW PAY [00:15:01] SAVES TAXPAYERS MONEY AND ENSURES THAT ONLY THE MOST DEDICATED RESIDENTS ARE THE ONES WHO RUN FOR OFFICE. BUT IT ALSO LEAVES US STUCK WITH THE RECENTLY ARRIVED BUREAUCRACY THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND FAMILIES, THE IMPORTANCE OF COMMUNITY EVENTS, YOUTH, WHY CREEK ACCESS MATTERS, THE CONCERNS OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, THE HASSLE OF DAYTIME TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, REAL ISSUES WITH FINDING RENTALS, THE LACK OF WORKFORCE HOUSING OR MAKING ENDS MEET. I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS A VERY POWERFUL LINE THAT HE WROTE, UH, FOUR YEARS AGO. UM, THIS IS, YEAH, THIS IS, HE WROTE THIS AT THE TIME WHEN THE COUNCIL BUMPED THE COUNCIL PAY A LITTLE BIT. I THINK COUNCIL MEMBERS GOT 50 EXTRA BUCKS A MONTH, AND THE, AND THE MAYOR GOT A HUNDRED EXTRA DOLLARS A MONTH. SO MAYOR'S AT 800, AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE AT FIVE 50 A MONTH CURRENTLY. SO WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THAT. UM, SO YEAH, MY INTEREST IS IN EXPLORING THIS COMPETITION'S WAY TO ATTRACT A LARGER POOL OF INTERESTED PEOPLE WHO STILL, WHO FIT A STILL WORKING, POSSIBLY RAISING FAMILIES DEMOGRAPHIC TO OFFSET THE LOST OPPORTUNITY COST BEAR. AND PERHAPS, I BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT SEDONA REVERSE ITS AGING TREND AND WE GROW OUR FULL-TIME RESIDENT, UM, COMMUNITY. THAT'S NOT A, NOT EVERYONE BELIEVES THAT IN OUR TOWN, SO WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT MY PRIORS. I BE WELCOME. ANYONE THAT WANTS TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THEIR THOUGHTS ON THIS TOPIC, UM, BEFORE WE HAD GOTTEN A CHANCE OVER THE NEXT, UH, COUPLE MONTHS TO DIG IN AND, AND REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. LAURA, WOULD YOU? WELL, UM, I GOT INVOLVED BECAUSE WHEN I, I SAW THERE WAS A, A, YOU KNOW, A NEED FOR SOMEONE TO SIT ON THE COMMITTEE. AND I TRULY BELIEVE THAT, UM, AT THIS POINT IN MY LIFE, I HAVE THE TIME TO MAKE THESE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMITMENTS TO SIT ON COMMITTEES. I DID NOT EVEN KNOW THE COUNCIL GOT COMPENSATED. SO, BECAUSE OF COURSE, MY OLD HISTORY WAS ELECTED TO THE FIRE BOARD, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NO COMPENSATION. I BECAME THE BOARD CLERK, AND, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK INVOLVED, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. I HAD TWO CHILDREN AND, UH, A GRANDMA. I HAD A FULL PLATE AND A JOB, AND I DID NOT RECEIVE COMPENSATION. BUT I ALSO WAS MUCH LIKE PETE, I, I'M A KENNEDY KID, YOU KNOW, ASKED, NOT WHAT YOU CAN DO, WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY. AND SO THAT WAS MY MOTIVATION. EVEN PRIOR TO BECOMING AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, I HAD BEEN A VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER IN SEDONA. SO, UM, BUT YOU CANNOT SERVE TWO GODS. SO ONCE I WAS ELECTED, I, I HAD TO LEAVE THE POSITION OF BEING A FIREFIGHTER. SO THE THING I LEARNED ALSO ABOUT BEING ON THAT COUNCIL OR THAT BOARD, IF YOU WILL, A THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THE CITY IS A PART OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR VICE VERSA. IT'S NOT THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT IS ITS OWN TAXING BODY. THE CITY OF SEDONA DOES NOT HAVE A PROPERTY TAX. THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT HAS A PROPERTY TAX. THAT'S WHAT YOU PAY ON YOUR TAX BILL THAT COMES OUTTA THE PHI COUNTY. SO THE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE, I, I HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY HAVE VOTED FOR THE CITY TO INCORPORATE. YES. NOW DO I WANNA KICK MYSELF? SOMETIMES YOU VOTE , BUT THERE HAVE BEEN MORE PLUSES THAN MINUSES IN THEORY. UM, MY CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, LEFT TOWN, YOU KNOW, AT THERE WERE, THERE ISN'T THE TYPE OF COMMUNITY FOR CHILDREN HERE ANYMORE. BUT WHEN I GOT HERE IN 1979, THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF CHILDREN EITHER, BUT, BUT I WAS A KID THEN. SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY, UH, A CHANGE COMMUNITY. I TRULY BELIEVE THAT SOME COMPENSATION, AT LEAST IN MY OPEN MIND, THAT SOME COMPENSATION NOW THAT I KNOW THERE IS COMPENSATION, UM, SHOULD BE FAIR. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I'D LIKE THE IDEA OF, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER PEOPLE LIKE IT BEING YOUR SECOND JOB. I MEAN, I'VE HAD TWO JOBS IN THIS TOWN, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A BAD SECOND JOB, BUT I DO THINK THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE AN EXPECTATION OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WANTING YOU TO BE THERE MORE AND MORE AND MORE, AND FOR A LACK OF A BETTER WORD, SUCK THE LIFE OUTTA YOU WHEN YOU'RE ON A COUNCIL. UM, BUT ONE THING I LEARNED AS A POLITICIAN AND AN ELECTED PERSON IS THAT YOU, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THICK SKIN AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THESE PEOPLE GET ATTACKED PRETTY [00:20:01] EASILY, UM, SITTING DUCK FOR A LACK OF A BETTER WORD. BUT WHEN I WAS ON THE BOARD OF FIVE, I, I HAD TO KEEP REMINDING SOME OF THEM AS WELL AS MYSELF, THAT IT'S A BOARD OF FIVE, NOT ONE PERSON MAKES THE DECISION. WE COLLECTIVELY MADE A DECISION. AND THAT IS HOW THOSE THINGS GOT DECIDED. YOU KNOW, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD THEN, YOU KNOW, POINT TO THE ONE THAT DIDN'T GET THE WAY, LIKE THEY HAD ALL THE POWER. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. IT'S A COLLECTIVE GROUP AND A WILLINGNESS TO LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS. AND THAT BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, I, I SAID THIS BEFORE AS A, AS A CANDIDATE, AND I STILL FEEL THIS WAY. YOU WILL NEVER MAKE ALL THE PEOPLE HAPPY ALL OF THE TIME. AND IF SOMEONE TELLS YOU THEY CAN OR THEY WILL, OR THEY KNOW YOU'RE BEING LIED TO, IT'S JUST VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE ALL THE PEOPLE HAPPY ALL OF THE TIME. YOU CAN GO FOR A GREATER GOOD. AND THAT'S WHAT I FELT WAS MY POSITION ON THE FIREBOARD, WAS TO GO FOR THE GREATER GOOD. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DEFINITELY AM INTERESTED. I DON'T, I HAVE THE PHILOSOPHY OF MONEY CORRUPTS, YOU KNOW, I, I TEND TO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, AND WHEN I SEE OUR BUDGET AND I SEE HOW MUCH MONEY'S INVOLVED AND I SEE WHAT THE EMPLOYEES MAKE, AND THEN I SEE WHAT THE COUNCIL DOESN'T MAKE, AND THEN I THINK MONEY CORRUPTS. AND, AND SO IT'S LIKE, WHAT IS THE BALANCE? AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M HERE TO SEE IS WHAT IS A HEALTHY BALANCE FOR SOMEONE TO BECOME INVOLVED. AND, AND YOU MATTER BECAUSE YOU MET YOU, YOU, YOU ARE INVOLVED, BUT THAT YOUR TIME IS A VALUE. AND, AND, AND YOU SHOULD BE COMPENSATED FOR THAT. SO THAT'S ALL. GREAT. BROCK? UM, THE MAIN REASON OR MAIN THING THAT I WANNA LIKE, OUTLINE THAT I'M INTERESTED IN IS LIKE, WHAT IS THE CENTER OF THE BULLSEYE? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IF THE CENTER OF THE BULLSEYE IS JUST HAVE A BUNCH OF, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A JERK WHEN I SAY THIS, I HAVE A BUNCH OF 50, 60, 70 YEAR OLDS ON COUNCIL THAT DON'T WORK FULL-TIME MM-HMM . AND DON'T HAVE TO CARE ABOUT THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE 25, 35 AND 45 CARE ABOUT, THEN THAT'S FINE. IF THAT'S WHAT INDEED THE CENTER OF BULLSEYE IS, I THINK IT SHOULD BE SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS GROUP. HOW DO WE INTERJECT SOMEBODY THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET SOMEBODY THAT'S 28 YEARS OLD RIGHT NOW TO RUN AND MAKE $500 A MONTH FOR WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED AS A FULL-TIME JOB. MM-HMM . RENT CAN'T MAKE IT WORK BASE BASELINE RENT THIS TOWN IS $2,000 A MONTH. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND I KNOW WE'RE BUILDING WHATEVER, 10 NO MORE UNITS OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT STILL LIVE IN THEIR CARS. SO IN ORDER TO GET SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE TO ABLE TO BE ABLE TO STEP UP, THAT THERE HAS TO BE A COMPENSATION THAT LIKE OFFSETS THAT BECAUSE THEY, A NORMAL PERSON JUST CAN'T MAKE IT WORK. GREAT. CJ. UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU, UH, COL COLLIE? ARE YOU HEARING WELL, SORRY, I WAS MUTED. YEAH, I'M HEARING EVERYTHING. GREAT. OKAY. UM, IN MANY WAYS, I THINK I FIT IN THAT I'M EXPECTING MY FIRST CHILD HERE IN TWO WEEKS, CONGRAT, UH, JUST ABOUT A YEAR AGO, GOT MARRIED IN OUR BACKYARD SIX WEEKS LATER. UM, AND NOW WE HAVE OUR FIRST BABY ABOUT TO SHOW UP. NICE. UM, WE MOVED UP FROM THE VALLEY AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR KIND OF A BETTER PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY. AND, UM, AND I THINK, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, UH, I THINK IT'S NOT GOING SO HARD IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHERE I NEVER WANT TO DISCOUNT THE VALUE OF LIFE EXPERIENCE THAT CAN BE BROUGHT IN BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD THE LEAD AND BE IN SO MANY DIFFERENT FORMS FOR SO LONG. BUT HAVING THAT BALANCE AS WELL BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO LIVE AND EXIST IN A MODERN DESERT CITY? AND I THINK ULTIMATELY THAT TAKES SOME AMOUNT OF NEW IDEAS AND NEW, YOU KNOW, NEW VIEWPOINTS AND FINDING THAT BALANCE AND ULTIMATELY INCENTIVIZING. UM, IF I USE MYSELF AS AN EXAMPLE, WE, I'M SELF-EMPLOYED, HAVE MY OWN BUSINESS DOING PHOTOGRAPHY. HOW MUCH WOULD I NEED TO MAKE TO FEEL LIKE I COULD ULTIMATELY CUT MY OWN BUSINESS BY THAT MUCH TO, TO DO THAT? [00:25:01] AND NOT NECESSARILY WITH THE INTENTION THAT I PLAN ON RUNNING ANYTIME SOON OR EVER, BUT JUST WHAT KIND OF INCENTIVE DOES IT TAKE FOR SMART, YOU COULD SAY AMBITIOUS PEOPLE TO FEEL LIKE THEY CAN GIVE THAT DEDICATION AND NOT NECESSARILY THAT THEY QUIT THEIR OWN THING AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A FULL-TIME JOB, THEORETICALLY. UH, BUT WHAT DOES THAT TAKE TO INCENTIVIZE THE, THE BRIGHTEST AND BEST OF THE DONUT TO, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT SACRIFICE IN SOME WAY OR ANOTHER? OKAY. SEAN? SORRY, I PUT, LEARNED A LOT OF WHAT LAURA SAID ABOUT, UH, WELL, WHEN EVERYBODY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT TRYING TO STRIVE FOR THAT BALANCE, I TOO T ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CAREER POLITICIANS AND, UM, I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN HAVING A WATCHDOG FUNCTION AND, UM, SO YOU, YOU KIND OF CREATE SOME REVERSE INCENTIVES ASSUMING YOU PAY TOO MUCH. UM, BUT THE FLIP SIDE IS THAT WHEN YOU PAY TOO LITTLE, WE HAVE KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE WHERE THERE'S AN OLDER POPULATION THAT DOESN'T HAVE NECESSARILY BROAD PERSPECTIVES OR REPRESENTATION THAT'S REQUIRED. AND WE MIGHT ALL DO A GOOD JOB OF THAT DESPITE THAT, BUT I THINK THERE'S ON, IN THE, THE MOMENT OF BACKGROUND OF OTHERS MATTERS. AND SO SEDONA HAS, UM, SOME UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS TO IT THAT I THINK CAUSE SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT NEED TO BE KIND OF FLUSHED OUT. UM, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF PUNCH ABOVE OUR WEIGHT DUE TO THE INFLUX OF TOURISM. UM, SO WHILE PEOPLE LOOK AT THE POPULATION THAT SAY, OH, THERE'S SMALL CITIES ARE ONLY, YOU KNOW, A FRACTION OF WHAT ARE KNOWING ABOUT WHAT WE ARE, WHY DO MORE? AND WHILE THAT INFLUX, THAT EGRESS AND EXPRESS OF ALL THESE PEOPLE DAILY CREATES, YOU KNOW, OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES, EXTRA CONSIDERATIONS, BUT IN GENERAL, I LOOK TO WHAT THE, THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE COMPENSATED FOR. UM, BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST POSITIONS OF POWER, PAY THE BILLS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT WANT THAT, THAT SENSE OF POWER. UM, IT'S NOT REALLY WHERE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ON CANCEL , UM, BUT THAT, THAT COMES INTO PLACE AND WHEN YOU THROW EXTRA MONEY ON IT, IT'S LIKE GAS ON THE FIRE. SO, UM, YOU, YOU WANT THAT AGAIN, YOU WANT THAT COMPENSATION FOR THE TIME THAT THEY'RE GONNA COMMIT. THE READING LOAD IS JUST CRAZY , UM, THE, THE DUTY AGAINST PERSONAL FEELINGS, I MEAN, THEY HAVE TO PUT THEIR WANTS ASIDE NECESSARILY FOR THE HIGHEST COMMON GOOD. AND THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A STRETCH FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO DO. SO HE'S PART OF THAT MONEY IS SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA THINK ABOUT YOUR CONSTITUENTS, EVEN SOME OF THE LOANS YOU DON'T LIKE. UM, SO THE FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY, THE LAWSUIT THREAT OF THE PERSONAL TAX AND ALL THAT STUFF KIND OF ROLLS INTO A NUMBER THAT HOPEFULLY INCENTIVIZES DIFFERENT KINDS OF PEOPLE WITHOUT CREATING PROBLEMS WITH TOO MUCH MONEY. SO, UM, THAT'S KINDA WHERE I'M AT. GREAT COLLIE. SO, UM, I'VE BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT STAFF OR COUNCIL COMPENSATION WITH BROTH AND STONE X, Y, Z FOR PROBABLY COMING UP ON 10 YEARS. YEAH, BROCK, WE PROBABLY STARTED THAT. YEP. TRY SOMETHING. UM, WE HAVE MET WITH PREVIOUS COUNSELORS WHO'VE NEVER BEEN AS OPEN TO IT AS PETE HAS. UM, AND BASICALLY BEEN GIVEN THE PULL YOURSELF UP BY YOUR BOOTSTRAPS TALK ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION AT LEAST. UM, AND SO TO ME, THE HOUR I RE AS A, AS A COMPANY OWNER AND AS A HUMAN, I BELIEVE YOU DESERVE TO BE PAID FOR YOUR TIME. UM, I THINK TIME IS VALUABLE AND I THINK WE LIVE IN A WORLD THAT IS VERY EXPENSIVE, AND SO TO UNDERMINE OUR TIME IS ISN'T DOING SERVICE TO ANYONE. I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE WHOLE CAREER POLITICIAN THING ONLY BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OF OUR COMMUNITY. I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK WE'RE GONNA BE A LAUNCHING POINT FOR CAREER, UM, POLITICIANS. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE PEOPLE WE WILL, WILL RECRUIT WITH THIS CHANGE. I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY LOOK THE FLAG STUFF FOR THAT IN OUR INITIAL COUPLE YEARS, BUT IT'S NOT, I DON'T SEE ANYONE USING THIS AS THEIR LAUNCHING POINT. RIGHT. AND IF THEY DO, THEY'RE LIKELY TO BE TOTALLY BLUNT SO YOUNG THAT I'M NOT SURE OUR VOTING BLOCK WOULD REALLY GET ON BOARD. SO I'M NOT QUITE AS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. WHAT I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IS RESPECTING PEOPLE'S TIME AND DEDICATION TO THE COMMUNITY AND GIVING PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SERVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, LIKE A LOT OF YOU, THE ONLY REASON I CAN SIT ON PLANNING AND ZONING AND THIS GROUP TOGETHER IS BECAUSE I OWN MY OWN COMPANY. AND I'VE TOLD PETE THIS BEFORE, IF IT WAS ME PERSONALLY RUNNING, I'D HAVE TO HIRE SOMEONE AND PAY THEM TO DO THE JOBS I WOULD BE MISSING AT WORK. SO THAT MEANS FOR ME TO, WHICH I'M NOT SAYING I'M GOING TO RUN, I'M NOT SAYING I'M EVER GONNA RUN [00:30:01] . UM, BUT FOR ME TO MAKE THAT CHOICE, IT WOULD ACTUALLY COST ME MONEY. NOT JUST, NOT JUST GIVE SERVICE, BUT HAVE A FINANCIAL TOLL THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY WE COULD LOOK TO OFFSET. SO THE, THE PERSPECTIVE I'M LOOKING AT IS PEOPLE WHO TAKE THIS POSITION ARE NOT ONLY GIVING AWAY A VALUABLE RESOURCE, BUT IT, THERE COULD BE A DIRECT AND MEASURABLE COST TO THEIR LIFE. SO IT'S THAT, THAT HAPPY BALANCE. I AM, I'M PRO FAIR COMPENSATION. I WOULD LOVE TO INCLUDE A DISCUSSION AROUND ACCESS TO SEE BENEFITS. YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT COULD BE SAID ABOUT THAT ACCESS FOR PEOPLE HEALTHCARE IS INCREDIBLY HARD AND ACCESS LIKE THAT COULD REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING THE DECISION OF, OH, I COULD GO TO PUT 10 IN MY JOB IF I COULD ACCESS AN INSURANCE. SO, SO, UH, THIS IS A CONVERSATION WE'VE BEEN HAVING A LONG TIME. I'M A HUGE ADVOCATE FOR GIVING PEOPLE THE ROOM THEY NEED TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY AND HAVING A MORE, OUR, OUR COMMUNITY IS ALREADY WEST UNIVERSITY. WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE HELP WITH THAT SO WE CAN GET MORE DIVERSITY ON COUNCIL, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE, THAT REPRESENTS OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK IT'S A NO BRAINER. AND I'M, I'M EXCITED THAT THIS WORK GROUP EXISTS SO WE CAN ACTUALLY START TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE POPULAR WITH ANYONE TO BE QUITE HONEST. UM, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW, LIKE IN MY OPINION, IF YOU, IF WE TO CHOOSE TO COMPENSATE COUNSEL, ADDITIONALLY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE COMPENSATION. YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S ROUTES THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE TO MAKE IT THAT IF YOU DON'T NEED IT, YOU DON'T TAKE IT. UH, SO I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE AND I'M EXCITED THAT AFTER CLOSE TO A DECADE THAT WE CONVERSATION. GREAT. THANKS COLLE. RUSS, WHERE'S YOUR HEAD AT? HOW, HOW'S THE CONVERSATION SOUND TO YOU SO FAR? HOW ARE WE DOING AS A WORK GROUP? AND YOUR INFOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THIS TOPIC IS MORE THAN US. YEAH. I THINK ULTIMATELY, AND, AND THIS WOULD MAYBE SERVE THE PURPOSE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS FIRST MEETING, IS TO GET SOME, LIKE WHAT I JUST HEARD, LIKE WHERE ARE SOME OF THE DATA THAT YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO GO AND TRY TO FIND FOR YOU? UM, AND EVEN ASSOCIATED WITH OUR OWN, LIKE THERE IS A, A WHOLE SETUP FOR EVEN ELECTED OFFICIALS, RETIREMENT PLANS THAT SOME CITIES HAVE. SO THERE IS A WHOLE LEVEL OF COMPENSATION OPTIONS THAT COULD EXIST THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN MAYBE JUST THAT TRADITIONAL, UH, PAY, UH, SCENARIO. SO THERE IS THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO AS YOU, AS YOU GO THROUGH THAT, DON'T HESITATE TO GO, I'D LIKE THAT TIDBIT OF INFORMATION AND THEN I CAN GO ABOUT FINDING IT FOR YOU IN TOTAL. AND I SAY THIS AS A PERSON WHO HAS SERVED ELECTED OFFICIALS DIRECTLY FOR OVER 25 YEARS. UH, SHE'S EXACTLY RIGHT. I'VE HAD EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT THOUGHT $400 WAS TOO MUCH FOR THEM TO BE MAKING AND DIDN'T EVER TAKE PAY. UM, TO THOSE WHO HAVE REMINDED EVERYBODY THAT THEY DIDN'T TAKE PAY BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMEHOW BONUS A BONUS, RIGHT? SO I'VE SEEN BOTH ENDS OF THAT CONVERSATION. UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT DOES OPEN UP THE WIDE POSSIBILITY THAT EVERYONE THAT COULD RUN SHOULD RUN AND IT SHOULDN'T BE A COST ISSUE. MOST OF THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD AS A CITY MANAGER IN THIS CONTEXT WITH THAT IS ALL BASED ON, AGAIN, I'VE WORKED FOR SMALL TOWNS. SO THE CONCEPT WAS MAKING SURE IT DIDN'T COST THE INDIVIDUAL TO BE ON THE COUNCIL. AND SHE TALKS ABOUT OFFSETTING RELATIVE TO A JOB OR SOME, YOU KNOW, THING THAT YOU WOULD BE MISSING OUT ON. MOST OF THE CONVERSATIONS IRONICALLY HAVE BEEN WITH MOSTLY RETIRED PEOPLE OVER THOSE 25 YEARS WITH SMALL COMPENSATION SIMILAR TO WHAT SEDONA DOES, WHICH I THINK HAS LED TO MUCH LESS DIVERSITY AS FAR AS HIS AGE IS CONCERNED ON COUNCILS I'VE SERVED FOR. SO THERE IS EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SAID IN ALL THAT IS CONTEXT THAT I COULD GIVE IN ALL OF MY EXPERIENCE. SO YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK FROM THAT STANDPOINT THAT IT DOES HAVE THOSE CONSEQUENCES. BUT IN TOTAL, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IN THAT BOX THAT I'VE HEARD FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS OVER THE YEARS ARE THINGS THAT ARE, IT COSTS ME THIS MUCH FOR THIS THING. SO WHETHER IT'S WIFI, THAT WAS ALWAYS A THING, THE PHONE THAT I USE, 'CAUSE NOW I HAVE THIS PHONE INSTEAD OF MY PERSONAL PHONE. THERE'S ALL THOSE LITTLE THINGS THAT I WOULD ARGUE OR THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD AT LEAST THINK ABOUT THAT ARE COST THAT WAY, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA, BECAUSE OF THE POLITICS OF THE PAY, THE DIRECT COST, [00:35:01] YOU MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT AS A WAY TO OFFSET SOME OF THAT ACTUAL HUMAN COST THAT THEY'RE PAYING OUT EVERY MONTH. YEAH. UM, THOSE MIGHT BE THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER AS WELL. SO ANYWAY. GOOD. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THANKS RUSS. OKAY, SO YEAH, I THINK THE REMAINDER OF THIS MEETING REALLY IS WE SHOULD LOOK AT AND THINK ABOUT THE TASKS THAT WE WANNA TAKE ON IN THE, IN THIS GROUP. AND SO I'VE GOT SOME THOUGHTS, I'LL SHARE THOSE. AND THEN I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST TO THROW 'EM ALL OUT THERE AND NOT DISCUSS 'EM, SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER TOPICS THAT WE WANNA ADD. AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK THROUGH AND DIVE INTO SOME OF 'EM IF, IF IT MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT. UM, YEAH. SO RIGHT IN THE END, WE'RE GONNA WRITE A REPORT HERE. ONE OF US IS GONNA HAVE TO WRITE A REPORT, PROBABLY RUSS IS GONNA HAVE TO BE THE STAFF PERSON THAT REALLY GENERATES IT. BUT WITH OUR HELP, I MEAN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE CHANCE TO PUT WORDS IN THE DOCUMENT THAT MAKES SENSE TO US BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'LL HAVE. AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT WILL INCREASING THE PAY OR THE BENEFITS. AND I AGREE THAT THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT PAY, THIS IS ABOUT, WE SHOULD HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BENEFITS AS WELL. DOES IT MAKE SENSE? WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN A CONVINCING WAY, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IN OUR REPORT IN THE END. UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO SPECULATE ABOUT IS IT GONNA WORK TO ACHIEVE THE GOAL THAT WE PRETTY MUCH ALL LAID OUT AND AFTER HEARING US ALL TALK ABOUT OUR PRIORS, RIGHT? THE CAUTION FLAG IS UP FOR ALL OF US. IT SHOULD BE, OH, WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THIS EVERY DAY. THAT THIS GROUP LEANS TOWARDS BEING OKAY WITH SOME TYPE OF COMPENSATION. I, I THINK THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE PRIORS THAT I HEAR, BUT WE'RE, AND IT JUST, IT'S GONNA BE UP TO US TO CHECK THAT EVERY DAY ABOUT WHETHER IT DOES MAKE SENSE AND WHETHER IT WILL WORK. AND THAT WILL HAVE TO COME OUT IN, IN THE FINAL, IN THE FINAL REPORT. THE QUESTION ABOUT WILL THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT? IT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION. AND I, AS I SAID EARLIER, I THINK WE SHOULD ALL DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE WITH AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE KNOW IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, BUT IN THE END, I'M NOT SURE IT'S OUR JOB TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S, WHETHER COMMUNITY SUPPORTS IT OR NOT. WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE THINK IS THE RIGHT THING FOR THE FUTURE OF THE CITY, UH, AND WRITE A REPORT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THAT. UH, COUNCIL WILL BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT COMMUNITY SUPPORT OF THE ISSUE OR NOT THAN US. SO WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT IT AND WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IT, BUT WE SHOULDN'T LET THAT DETER OR CHANGE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE THINK IS GOOD AS AS A GROUP. AND THEN, UM, YEAH, SO HERE'S SOME OF THE TASKS THAT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT FLAGSTAFF. I THINK THERE'S REALLY GOOD WORK DONE UP THERE AND WE SHOULD REALLY DELVE INTO IT AND FIND OUT WHY THEY DID IT, HOW THEY DID IT, AND IS IT WORKING. UH, SO WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT, UH, BENCHMARK CITY. SEAN, YOU MENTIONED, UH, AS WELL, I ALSO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD BENCHMARK IN THIS ARTICLE, THE EDITORIAL. AND, AND I'LL SEND A LINK TO EVERYONE OUT, UH, CHRISTOPHER FOX GRAHAM WENT THROUGH AND HE IS GOT, YOU KNOW, FOUR PAGES OF ALL TOWNS, ALL KINDS OF STUFF IN HERE. IS THERE, CAN I SEE THAT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ASIDE SURE. JUST ABOUT DEMOGRAPHICS. YEAH. ANY TOWN IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAS ANYTHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO. 'CAUSE I WOULD ARGUE THERE ISN'T BECAUSE WE'RE, I DO KNOW THIS FOR A FACT, EVERY CITY THAT YOU THINK OF IN FLORIDA HAS A YOUNGER MEDIAN AGE THAN SEDONA. YEAH. YEAH. EVERY ONE OF, YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION. SO NOW JUST BUT DEMOGRAPHIC THOUGH ALSO, YEAH. TOURISM. YEP. THERE'S ONLY WHAT, 9,000 OF US? 7,000 OF IT, 10,000 OF US OR WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE AT THE MOMENT. YEP. THAT'S WEIRD. YEP. LIKE WE HAVE, LIKE, WE DON'T REALLY COMPARE, LIKE I, I GET A LITTLE BRISTLE WHEN PEOPLE LIKE TRY TO COMPARE US TO OTHER TOWNS OR WHATEVER. LIKE, WE'RE NOT LIKE ANY OTHER TOWN. LIKE A 7,000. I, I GREW UP IN A TOWN OF LIKE 5,000 PEOPLE. THERE AIN'T GEMS IN WHOLE FOODS. THERE WAS A CORNFIELD AND ONE BLINKING YELLOW LIGHT, NOT EVEN A TRAFFIC LIGHT. WELL IT WAS LIKE THAT HERE ONCE . I, YEAH, MY POINT IS, IS LIKE YEAH, YEAH. WHEN WE TRY TO LIKE COMPARE SEDONA TO OTHER, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A FAIR COMPARISON TO US OR TO OTHER TOWNS. I AGREE. GO AHEAD COLLIE. I'M CURIOUS IF WE CAN FIND ANOTHER COMMUNITY THAT HAS, UH, TAX REVENUE. YEAH. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. OKAY. UH, I WOULD, I'D BE MORE CURIOUS IF WE COULD BREAK DOWN THE BUDGET PER CITIZEN. SO LIKE YOU, YOU TAKE OUR ANNUAL BUDGET AND DIVIDE IT BY OUR 10,000, THAT NUMBER. AND IF WE CAN FIND ANOTHER COMMUNITY SIMILAR, I'M THINKING THAT SOME HOLE, I'M THINKING HALF BEEN, I'M THINKING TELL THOSE KINDS OF PLACES AND, AND [00:40:01] IT IS NOT NECESSARILY A PERFECT COMM, BUT I SEE LIKE IT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT, WHEN YOU COMPARE US TO OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS OF OUR SIZE, IT'S NOT A FAIR COMPARED TO PHOENIX. IT'S NOT A FAIR COMPARISON, BUT I'M WONDERING ABOUT THAT METRIC OF LIKE TAX DOLLAR FOOD AS A POTENTIAL METRIC. YEP. YEP. I AGREE. THAT'S A REALLY VALID POINT BECAUSE WE'RE A LOT, LIKE A LOT OF THOSE, UH, YOU KNOW, TELLURIDE AND ALL THOSE LITTLE TOURIST TOWNS AND THEY GET A LOT OF MONEY AND I'M, I FEEL AS A TAXPAYER, BUT OF COURSE I DON'T PAY PROPERTY TAX. BUT AS A CITIZEN HERE, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW PER CAPITA HOW MUCH I'M WORTH. YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU DI DIVIDE THE BUDGET BY HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, IT, IT'D BE AN INTERESTING NUMBER TO HEAR. IT'S INTERESTING YOU MENTIONED THAT, LAURA, THAT I'VE ALREADY DONE THE MATH AND I'VE ALREADY TRIED TO FIND ANOTHER PLACE AND I, SO LET ME JUST SKIP TO THE END OF THE STORY. I'VE DONE THIS ONCE. YEP. SO I THINK THIS IS A TASK THAT I DO THINK WE NEED TO THINK THROUGH AND EITHER COME UP WITH A CONCLUSION THAT THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE SEDONA ALL THESE REASONS, OR THERE ARE PLACES LIKE SEDONA, BUT, AND RUSS CAN DO A LOT OF WORK FOR US, BUT I THINK THIS IS A TASK THAT THIS GROUP NEEDS TO DO AND UM, WOULD LOOK OUT THERE AND, AND WANNA SEE WHO WANTS TO RAISE THEIR HAND OF REALLY PARTICIPATING AND DOING SOME OUTSIDE THIS, OUTSIDE OF OUR TIME, BUT BRING THE WORK BACK TO US ON THIS ISSUE ABOUT REALLY JUST SORT OF DOING THE GOOGLE SEARCHING AND THE DATABASING AND TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT. I KNOW SEAN ALWAYS HAS HAD A PASSION ABOUT IT. BROCK, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU'VE ALSO DONE A LOT OF THAT WORK COLLEAGUES SPECIFICALLY. YEAH. LIKE JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY MORE THAN ANYTHING. AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK LIKE BOCA RATONE OR WHATEVER ALL THESE PLACES IN FLORIDA WHERE IT'S LIKE YOU JUST IMAGINE JUST A COMPLETELY AGING POPULATION. YEAH. AND THEY'RE LIKE, I'M GONNA MAKE IT UP. 'CAUSE THIS IS A LONG TIME AGO, BUT THEY'RE LIKE 52 AND WE'RE LIKE 58.8 OR WHATEVER. LIKE, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THERE ARE YOUNG PEOPLE. YEAH. THERE ARE HARDLY ANY YOUNG PEOPLE HERE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. YOU KNOW, AND SO, WELL WE, WE USED TO SAY SEDONA SPELLED WITH OLD PEOPLE AND THEIR PARENTS AND THEN THEY'VE HAPPENED TO BEING EXACTLY, UH, SEAN. SO YEAH, THE, ALL THOSE DIMENSIONS, IF YOU WILL, THAT GO UNDER THE MATRIX THAT WE THEN TRY TO TRIANGULATE MM-HMM . SORT SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE, RIGHT. BASED ON, THERE PROBABLY IS SOME, A PLACE, I'M JUST NOT AWARE I THOUGHT OF LIKE TAX DOLLARS PER CAPITA, CERTAINLY. MM-HMM . THE NUMBER OF PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS TO ME IS A KEY METRIC BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT REQUIRES A LOT OF HEAD SPACE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RIGHT DECISIONS ARE AND DO THE CONTRACTS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. OH, INTERESTING. SO THAT'S, THAT'S TRUE. THE MEDIAN AGE, THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME, UH, THE FACT THAT WE'RE LANDLOCKED. WE HAVE GROWTH MANAGEMENT ISSUE, THE FIRE DANGER, THERE'S AN EVACUATION ISSUE THAT'S GONNA CONSUME A LOT OF COUNCIL TIME GOING FORWARD, I THINK. AND THEN WHAT STATE INFLUENCES ARE THERE? ARE THE LAWS IN THE BOOKS OR JUST GENERAL, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY, PROPERTY RIGHTS KIND OF ETHOS RIGHT. THAT KIND OF PLAY INTO THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT IT'S LIKE THAT ALL GOES TO BEING THE HOPPER TO TRY TO DO THAT TRIANGULATION TO KIND OF WHAT, WHAT IS DEFENSIBLE? WELL YOU SAY WHAT MAKES SENSE, BUT ALSO WHAT INCENTIVIZES THE DIVERSITY, I THINK WE'RE ALL KIND OF TRYING TO STRIVE FOR. WELL, AND DOES THAT INFORMATION REALLY CHANGE THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF TRYING TO ATTRACT OTHER PEOPLE, YOUNGER, OLDER, WHATEVER PEOPLE TO BE ON THE COUNCIL HAVING A COMPENSATION? ISN'T THAT JUST THE POINT? JUST LIKE WHO CARES HOW MUCH ALL THAT OTHER STUFF IS? YEAH, BUT THE QUESTION WILL BE ASKED. IT HELPS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BY WHO BEING THE, THE, THE, THE HEAD THAT STICKS ABOVE ALL OTHERS PEOPLE WILL ASK, YOU KNOW, WELL HOW, HOW DOES IT WORK ANYWHERE ELSE? AND OKAY. AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION. I THINK FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT YOU'VE, YOU SAID LIST THE CITIES, I JUST GLANCED AT IT HERE. IT'S LIKE, WOW. IT'S ALL OVER THE MAP. YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WILLIAMS AT ABOUT THE SAME DOLLARS BUT LIKE A THIRD OF THE PEOPLE AND SO THEY HAVE THE TOURISTY COMPONENT. SO TRY TO APPLY WEIGHTINGS TO DIFFERENT FACTORS THERE. AND IT JUST SEEMS SOMETHING VERY AWFUL. CALCULUS. WELL, IN WINSLOW, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT WAS RECENTLY POINTED OUT. THEY HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, BUDGET AND SMALL POPULATION AND YET THEIR CITY RUNS ON A WHOLE LOT LESS THAN THIS ONE DOES. RIGHT. COLLIE, ANY THOUGHTS? NO, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WITH A REALLY CHALLENGING MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, WHEN SUCH A SIT SITUATION IN EVERY EYE, LIKE MAKING EVERYBODY HAPPY SITUATION, UM, [00:45:01] I THINK WE CAN LEARN FROM OTHER PLACES, BUT I AGREE WITH BROCK, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY HARD TO FIND SOMETHING TRULY COMPARABLE. UM YEP. AND IT'S JUST KIND OF THE IS A WEIRD PLACE, MAN. I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT. AND I WILL SAY AS A PERSON WHO HAS AN UNDER 5-YEAR-OLD, AGAIN, MY CONTEXT IS SKEWED. I THINK WHEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT YOUNG PEOPLE, I DO ACTUALLY THINK THERE'S AN INFLUX OF KIDS AT THE MOMENT. SO MAYBE WE'LL BUDGET THAT NUMBER. UM, I DON'T KNOW. WE'LL SEE. OKAY. SO I, I'D, I'D LIKE AT THIS POINT TO SEE IF ANY ONE OF US WANTS TO MAYBE LEAD THIS LITTLE EFFORT. AND THE CAUTION IS TO NOT MAKE IT A GIANT RABBIT HOLE. THIS ISN'T THE COMPARABLE CITIES TO SEDONA WORK GROUP, RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO STAY FOCUSED ON OUR MISSION. BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD WORK HERE THAT CAN BE DONE. AND, AND LET ME PUT IT OUT THERE. WHO, WHO WOULD LIKE TO LEAD THIS EFFORT WITH US AND BRING, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION BACK? AND IT CAN BE MORE THAN ONE, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LEADER AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE THAT BE OPEN TO HELPING AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BRING BACK SOME THOUGHTS AND DATA AND IDEAS TO OUR, TO OUR, OUR NEXT MEETING. SO I CAN BE THE KEEPER OF THE DATA, LIKE IN FROM VARIOUS, I THINK WE SHOULD ALL TRY TO BRING WHATEVER, WHATEVER WE DRIVE US TO GO GET. AND THEN WE KIND OF NEED TO COLLATE AND PRESENT IT, ARRANGE IT IN A WAY, MAYBE EVENTUALLY SOME INFOGRAPHICS OR SOMETHING. RIGHT. UM, YOU KNOW, CREATE THAT MATRIX FIRST, DEFINE ALL THE DIMENSIONS THAT WE WANNA CHASE AFTER. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN SIGN UP FOR VARIOUS THINGS. AND THEN WHERE WE LACK THE RESOURCES, LEAN ON THE CITY TO, YOU KNOW, HIT THEIR DATABASES AND STUFF. THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. OTHERS AGREE, DISAGREE, . SORRY, I KEEP READING UNMUTED. YEAH, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. LET ME THEN GO BACKWARDS A LITTLE BIT AND SAY, WHAT ABOUT THE FLAGSTAFF EXPERIENCE? WHO WANTS TO RESEARCH THAT AND SORT OF ASSEMBLE ALL THAT INFORMATION IN ONE SPOT FOR US? HEARING NOBODY, I, I'LL SIGN UP FOR THAT BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY DONE QUITE A BIT OF IT. , I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU PICKED THE FLAG AS A, AS A BAROMETER FOR WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A UNIVERSITY TOWN, WHICH THE ONLY THING I SEE THERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT HAS AN INFLUX OF NON-RESIDENTS BECAUSE STUDENTS AREN'T NECESSARILY CONSIDERED WELL THEY, THEY'RE PAYING A LIVING WAGE, LIKE A SIGNIFICANT LIVING WAGE. YEAH. SO I THINK THE LOOKING IN THE TOWN, THE LIVING WAGE RECRUITING, RIGHT? NEW PEOPLE, LIKE THEY ARE LIKE, THERE'S VERY FEW PLACES THAT ARE PAYING THAT HAVE SWITCHED TO PAYING A LIVING WAGE AS MUCH AS THEY HAVE AS QUICKLY. RIGHT. SO I THINK IT'S LESS LOOKING AT FLAG STEP AND MORE LOOKING AT THIS THING WE COULD DO. DID IT WORK IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS? 'CAUSE CORAL DID HER WAY OUT. SO LIKE THREE YEARS PETE. YEP. YEP. BUT, BUT MY DIFFERENT PEOPLE APPLYING IN THE FIRST THREE YEARS HASN'T MADE A DIFFERENCE TO PEOPLE BEING INVOLVED. I THINK IT'S LESS ABOUT FLAGSTAFF AND MORE ABOUT THE SYSTEM. WELL, MY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS TOWN IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN PONTIFICATING ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME IS THAT THE CITY DOESN'T TAKE AN INITIATIVE TO ENCOURAGE THE BUSINESSES TO PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES A LIVING WAGE. MM-HMM . AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, OR WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THE COUNCIL'S GETTING A LIVING WAGE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T, DOESN'T ENCOMPASS ALL OF WHAT SEDONA IS AND THAT'S BEEN A FRUSTRATION ABOUT A LIVING WAGE, UH, FOREVER. YEP. YOU KNOW, SO CAN I, UM, DO I SUPPOSE TWO APPROACHES. THE WE NEED TO DO THE FLAGSTAFF DEEP DIVE ON ANY TOWN THAT KIND OF REMOTELY SMELLS LIKE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE COMPARABLE TO S DONNA. MM-HMM . UM, AND TO EACH ONE YOU WANNA TRY TO BE UNIFORM IN YOUR APPROACH OF WHAT QUESTIONS YOU ASK AND WHAT DATA POINTS YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AT AND WHATNOT. SO ONE ARGUMENT WOULD BE THAT YOU GO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR DIMENSIONS ARE AND COME UP WITH KIND OF A CORE SET OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU'LL EVOLVE AS YOU LEARN THINGS. YOU'LL REALIZE, OH YEAH, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKING THAT OF EVERYBODY. BUT THEN WE KIND OF WERE ABLE TO HAVE EACH PERSON GO MAYBE TO DIFFERENT CITIES AND APPLY THE SAME KIND OF SETS OF QUESTIONS. AND SO YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF STRUCTURE COMING BACK FROM THE DATA RATHER THAN JUST KIND OF FREEFORM STORIES OF THE, THE JOURNEY. UM, AND THAT THEN, YOU KNOW, LENDS MORE CREDENCE TO YOUR YEAH, THAT COULD BE. UM, SO I'M ALL FOR TALKING EF AND JUST A FIRST PASS OF LIKE, LET'S SEE WHAT THE CONVERSATION GOES AND LIKE HOPEFULLY THE OUT OUTPUTS OF THAT ARE NOT ONLY INTERESTING STORIES, BUT LIKE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT TO THEN ASK OTHERS. YEP. OKAY. WELL WHY DON'T WE START BY, WHY DON'T I GO AHEAD AND, AND GATHER WHAT I CAN FIND TO THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ABOUT WHY THEY DID IT, WHAT IT IS THAT THEY DID, AND PUT IT OUT TO THIS GROUP AND THEN WE CAN GLEAN THROUGH IT ABOUT MAYBE WHAT WE WANNA PULL OUT OF THERE. IS THERE AN OPEN MEETING RULES FRAMEWORK THAT ALLOWS A COUPLE OF US, BUT NOT A QUORUM TO HAVE A ZOOM WITH FLAG STEP? UH, YES, ABSOLUTELY. AND, AND [00:50:01] THANK YOU. I DID WRITE THAT DOWN ABOUT OPEN MEETING LAWS. THE, THE WARNING IS THAT A MAJORITY OF US CAN'T EVER MEET ON, ON THIS TOPIC OUT OF THIS MEETING SESSION, BUT A COUPLE OF YOU CAN. SO I BE PART OF THAT ZOOM AND THEN JUST START, FILL THE FRAMEWORK OF QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, AND AS WE GO. YEAH. YEP. LEMME SEE IF WHAT I CAN FIND UP THERE. RUSS MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO US REACHING OUT TO THE CITY. WELL THEIR, THEIR CITY MANAGER WAS OUR FORMER DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. SO THEY'RE GONNA BE VERY, WHO'S THAT JOINED? JOANNE KEITH. SO SHE'S THEIR NEW CITY MANAGER. SO THEY'RE GONNA BE OPEN TO FILLING ANY QUESTION WITH AN ANSWER. AND CORAL HAS EXPRESSED TO ME IN THE PAST THAT SHE IS HAPPY TO CORAL. THAT'S SO YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE OPEN DOORS. YEAH. AND A LOT OF RESOURCE THERE TO, TO CREATE THAT. YOU MAY NOT HAVE THAT OTHER PLACES, BUT I THINK FROM A FRAMEWORK OF INFORMATION RIGHT, AND EXCHANGE, YOU'RE GONNA GET A VERY GOOD OPPORTUNITY WITH FLAGSTAFF. AND WHAT THEY DID UP THERE IS REALLY, IS QUITE UNIQUE. I THINK YOU'LL BE REALLY INTERESTED ABOUT WHAT THEY FOUND AND THEY'RE, I I THINK THEIR TARGET WAGE FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER, MAYBE IT'S THIS CALENDAR YEAR NOW IS LIKE $24,000. SO IT'S AN INTERESTING NUMBER, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WAY MORE THAN WHAT SEDONA PAYS AS COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT IT'S NOT A FULL-TIME WAGE EITHER. AND SO IT'S JUST WAS INTERESTING AND I THINK THEY HAVE A PROCESS OF HOW THEY'RE CHANGING IT OVER TIME. SO THERE'S ANOTHER TASK HERE, RUSS, THAT I THINK WE'LL JUST PUT TO YOU TO GET KURT TO COME IN AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT WHAT THE LEGAL BASIS OF THIS IS, WHAT COUNCIL RULES ARE ABOUT, HOW IT CAN OR CAN'T CHANGE ITS PAY. AND THEN, UH, I'VE GOT SOME, I'VE GOTTA STEP AWAY OUTSIDE THE CALL. OKAY. I'VE, UH, HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH KURT ABOUT THIS. 'CAUSE I'VE HAD SOME FUNNY IDEAS OF MY OWN ABOUT, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST IF NO COUNCIL MEMBER GETS THE INCREASED PAY UNTIL AFTER THEY'VE BEEN ELECTED OR REELECTED. UM, KURT TELLS ME THAT MAYBE WE CAN'T DO THAT, SO I WANT HIM TO COME IN HERE AND TALK TO US ABOUT ALL THAT. UM, I WOULD LIKE THE, THE IDEA HAS COME TO ME IN THE PAST ABOUT MAYBE ONCE WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, CAN WE, IS THERE A PATH THAT COUNCIL CAN PUT THE DECISION OUT TO A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS OR NOT. IT MAY NOT ACTUALLY EVEN BE LEGAL TO DO THAT. SO I WANT KIRK TO OPINE UPON THAT AS WELL. UM, UH, RUSS, YOU SOMEBODY MENTIONED IT. IS THERE A WAY FOR SOMEONE TO DECLINE THE PAY? YOU KNOW, IF IT'S AN INCREASED PAY, IS THERE A WAY THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER COULD DECLINE IT? AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE BASIS OF THAT. DONATE IT TO YEAH. DECLINE IT, DONATE IT. YEAH, YEAH, EXACTLY. AMONG THE OTHERS. YEAH. YEAH. YOU COULD ALL DECIDE THAT THIS PERSON HAS A FULL-TIME JOB AND KIDS YEAH. WE'RE GONNA DIRECT OUR SALARIES THAT WAY. YEAH. SO I THINK KURT WOULD BE A GOOD, LET'S HAVE HIM ON OUR NEXT AGENDA TO JUST COME AND GIVE THAT BACKGROUND ON ALL THOSE TOPICS. UM, YEAH. BENEFITS. I ALSO SAID, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT PAY, IT SHOULD BE ABOUT BENEFITS AS WELL. SO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT. WHAT OTHER TOPICS COME TO YOUR GUYS' MIND ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD BE TAKING ON? TO ME, IT'S THE PHILOSOPHICAL BASIS TO SOME DEGREE OF, UH, JUST UNDERSTANDING CORE TENETS OF DEMOCRACY AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BE ABLE TO SAY SOME THINGS ABOUT THE WAY THE COUNTRY HAS EVOLVED OR, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ANY GENERAL, UM, I, I ALWAYS HARKEN BACK TO MY FAVORITE POLITICIAN OF ANCESTRY, WHICH IS SO LONG. HE DIED ABOUT FIVE 50 BC BUT HE, HE WAS A GREEK ATHENIAN AND HE LIKE UNDERPINNED DEMOCRACY. HE LIKE CAME UP WITH THE WAY THAT WE WRITE CONSTITUTIONS NOW. SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE HIS THOUGHTS ON THAT MATTER AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE CAN PULL THESE KINDA SNIPPETS OUT OF HISTORY AND MAYBE GUIDING THOUGHTS. SO I'LL BE KIND OF BRINGING THAT HOPEFULLY. SURE. BRING THAT. WELL, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST THING FOR ME THAT I THINK ABOUT AS A COMMITTEE AND IS TAKING IT OUT TO THE PEOPLE AND, AND I THINK THAT THE AVERAGE CITIZEN WAS JUST LIKE ME. WE DIDN'T KNOW THE CITY GOT THAT THE COUNCIL GOT COMPENSATION, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THERE'S A DUTY TO INFORM BETTER ABOUT A, THE ROLE OF COUNCIL AND WHAT, WHAT YOU GIVE AS A COUNCIL PERSON AND YOU KNOW, WHY YOU GIVE. AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS BECOME IMPORTANT BECAUSE EVERYBODY JUST LOOKS ON THE SURFACE AND THEN IT BECOMES A PERSONALITY INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMPASSION THAT YOU HAVE FOR EVERYBODY IN THE TOWN. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT, [00:55:01] YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THAT'S A HUGE THING. SO I, I JUST THINK IT'S GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO SELL THIS. RIGHT. AND YOU'RE ONLY GONNA GET ONE SHOT REALLY. I MEAN, PARTICULARLY NOW WITH, YOU KNOW, OVERALL GOVERNMENT, YOU KNOW, UNIVERSALLY EVERYWHERE. IT, IT, IT'S GOT A BAD NAME RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT A NOBLE PER PROFESSION. SO HOW DO WE ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY MORE THAN JUST HOPING THEY COME TO THIS MEETING? WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE AN IDEA? WE, LAURA, DO YOU HAVE ONE YOURSELF? WELL, NO, NO, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ONE MYSELF. I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE SHARED ON A, UM, YOU KNOW, PR BASIS. YOU KNOW, THE CITY CAN PUT A THING OUT EVERY WEEK, YOU KNOW, HEY, OR THE NEXT COMPENSATION COMMITTEE MEETING IS AT SUCH AND SUCH, YOU KNOW, DON'T, BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE SHADOWS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A, A CONSTANT PLETHORA OF INFORMATION COMING OUT OF THE CITY ON WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON. AND THEN EVERYBODY ACTS SO SURPRISED THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE VOTING ON SOMETHING AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, SO IN THE OLD DAYS THERE WAS CHASM AND THERE WAS THE RED ROCK NEWS. WELL, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE OLD DAYS. CHASM IS GONE. THE RED ROCK NEWS IS STILL HERE, . BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A, A COLLECTIVE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOME TYPE OF SOCIAL MEDIA WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING IT NEXT DOOR OR WHATEVER, BUT I THINK IT'S A RESPONSIBILITY FOR ME THAT THE STAFF MAKE IT A PRIORITY TO, FOR A LACK OF A BETTER WORD, PROTECT THE COUNCIL. YOU KNOW, DON'T LET THEM END UP BEING THE ONES GETTING THE KICKING BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO COLLECTIVELY ENTICE DIFFERENT DIVERSITY ON THE COUNCIL. SEAN? UM, THE, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL TIMES THAT I'VE, DURING MY SPECIFIC PARTICIPATION WITH SEDONA RESIDENTS UNITE, UM, WHERE A STUDY WAS DONE AND THEN AFTER THE FACT A BUNCH OF HOLES WERE PROBED IN IT, CAUSING THE MORE STUDIES. AND SO I'M A BIG FAN OF CHECKPOINTING EARLY AND OFTEN WITH KEY STAKEHOLDERS, THOUGHT LEADERS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT YOU SAID. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS APPROACH THAT WE'RE USING? SO AFTER WE COME UP WITH A MATRIX AND WE START FILLING IT IN, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WHAT QUESTIONS ARE WE NOT ASKING THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU TO ACTUALLY GO IN THE HOPPER? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT YOU REACH OUT IN THAT FASHION FOR A WORK GROUP LIKE THIS, BUT, UM, YOU DON'T WANNA BE HIT AT THE END WITH, WELL, YOU DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THIS, THIS, AND THIS. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF CHECKPOINTING ALONG THE WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE BLIND SPOTS. IT SEEMS PRETTY IMPORTANT. YEAH. I WONDER ABOUT HOW PREVIOUS COUNCILS HAVE FELT ABOUT THE COMPENSATION THEY RECEIVED AND THE WORK THAT THEY HAD PUT INTO IT, AND WOULD IT HAVE KEPT THEM TO MAYBE ENTICE THEM THEY WOULD'VE RUN AGAIN. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK HISTORY PLAYS AN IMPORTANT PART IN HOW YOU MOVE FORWARD. AND IF YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE THE HISTORY OF HOW EVERYBODY FELT ON THE COUNCIL ABOUT GETTING COMPENSATION. YEAH. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY RED ROCK NEWS HAS THEIR OPINION, BUT I'M INTERESTED IN THE PEOPLE THAT ENDED UP DOING THE JOB. YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING. I MEAN, OR I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD'VE DONE ANY DIFFERENT THAN YOU ALREADY WERE IF THE COMPENSATION HAD BEEN HIGH. YEAH. THAT'S KIND OF JUST WHAT I'M, YEAH. THINKING CJ, SO YOU'RE NOT RUNNING FOR REELECTION? I AM NOT. UH, I ASK WHY. SURE. BECAUSE I HAD, UH, OPEN HEART SURGERY TWO YEARS AGO, , OH, . AND ANOTHER ONE COMING NEXT WEEK, NOT OPEN HEART SURGERY, ANOTHER SURGERY. SO, UH, IT CHANGED PRIORITIES IN MY LIFE. THAT EXPERIENCE OF GOING THROUGH IT WAS A BIRTH DEFECT THAT JUST DIDN'T REAR ITS HEAD UNTIL LATER IN MY LIFE HERE. AND, UH, YEAH, MY GRANDKIDS LIVE OUT IN ATLANTA. I'M GONNA GO SPEND MORE TIME OUT THERE WITH THEM. AND, UM, GOING TO, UH, STILL STAY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY HERE, I'M GOING TO NARROW MY SET OF ISSUES THAT I HAVE TO BE SUPER KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT AND REALLY FIGHT FOR ONES THAT I CARE ABOUT, HOUSING BEING ONE OF THEM. UM, SO YEAH, IT WAS NOTHING. I LOVE THIS JOB. I THINK IT'S, I LOVE DOING IT. AND I WAS AN ENGINEER, UM, MY WHOLE CAREER AND ONLY LATE IN LIFE DID I GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO SERVE A MAYOR IN SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA. [01:00:01] AND IT CHANGED MY LIFE. I LOVE LOCAL GOVERNMENT. LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS AWARE OF THE ACTIONS AT THIS IS WHERE YOU MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN PEOPLE'S LIVES. AND, UH, TO BE ABLE TO SIT ON A BODY TO HELP GUIDE POLICY DECISIONS ABOUT THAT IS JUST A PRIVILEGE AND AN HONOR. IT'S A REALLY GREAT THING. IT HELPS THAT IT'S NONPARTISAN AND YES, IT HELPS THAT IT'S NONPARTISAN. AND THAT IS HUGE. IT IS HUGE. I, I LOVED IT TOO. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S GREAT TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT KIND OF COMMITMENT. IT'S WORTH IT TOO. YEAH. IT'S WORTH IT. IT'S WORTH IT. IT'S COMPLETELY REWARDING IN A MUCH DIFFERENT WAY. AND THAT ANYTHING ELSE I'VE DONE, IT'S NOT EGO, IT'S, IT'S JUST A COLLECTIVE OVERALL OF, YOU KNOW, HEALTHY FULFILLING. HUH. IT'S FULFILLING. YEAH. THAT'S THE WORD. FULFILLING. SO I, I STARTED A CONVERSATION WITH JOANNE COOK, OUR CITY CLERK. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT REASONS. I SAW A RECENT LIST OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SERVED CITY COUNCIL SINCE WE INCORPORATED. OH, REALLY? AND, UH, SO I ASKED JOAN, AND I HAVEN'T HEARD THE ANSWER YET, HOW HARD WOULD IT BE? GO TO GO BACK 10 YEARS AND FIND OUT HOW OLD PEOPLE WERE AND WHAT OCCUPATIONS THEY HAD? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT DATA EXISTS OR NOT, BUT I'M GONNA CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION WITH YEAH, JOANNE TO SEE IF WE CAN DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WE DISCLOSED WHEN I TURNED IN MY PACKET, WHETHER YOU HAD YEAH. YOU TELL YOUR OCCUPATION AND YOU TELL YOUR AGE. IT'S EVOLVED IN, IN THE APPLICATION, THE SOFTWARE A DP THAT WE USE. YEAH. I WOULD THINK WE'D HAVE SOME DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION. YEAH. SO I'M GONNA HAVE SOME AGE DEMOGRAPHICS IN THERE AND I'M TRYING TO THINK, BUT AT LEAST THAT WOULD GO BACK AT 10 YEARS OR SO, SO, YEAH. YEAH. BUT IT'S GOT ME THINKING TOO, SO. YEAH. YEP. SO THAT'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER TASK THAT I WANNA JUST GATHER SOME DATA AND SEE WHAT IT MEANS OR DOESN'T MEAN. CJ UM, YEAH, I THINK ONE THING I WOULD BE CURIOUS ABOUT IS OUR ABILITIES TO, LIKE ASK, HAVE A QUESTIONNAIRE FOR BOTH CURRENT CITY COUNCIL, BUT IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK BACK AND ASK THE QUESTIONS OF HOW MUCH, HOW MANY HOURS A WEEK DID IT TAKE TO PREPARE? HOW MANY WAS THE MEETINGS? THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. AND HOW MUCH TIME WAS SPENT IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY, NOT NECESSARILY OF YOUR CHOOSING. NOT LIKE TALKING POLITICS AT A PARTY WITH YOUR FRIENDS, BUT YOU'RE IN SAFEWAY AND, AND JUST TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE GET LOST IS LIKE THE, IT'S NOT JUST THE MEETINGS. IT'S PREP AND HOPEFULLY PROPER PREP. AND THEN HOW OFTEN ARE YOU BEING INTERRUPTED WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GO TO A CONCERT AND NOW YOU'VE MISSED THE WHOLE CONCERT. AND, AND JUST TRYING TO HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THAT. UM, AND ALSO, YEAH, I'D BE VERY CURIOUS ABOUT IF WE COULD LOOK AT BASICALLY THE AGE OF ALL THE CANDIDATES SINCE THE CITY WAS INCORPORATED AND HOW THAT COMPARES TO THE AGE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ACTUALLY ELECTED. HMM. BECAUSE IF PEOPLE WERE STILL WERE RUNNING, BUT THEY JUST WEREN'T BEING ELECTED, THEN THAT'S, THAT IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE THAN THE IN SENSITIZATION. RIGHT? IF THE POPULATE, IF THE AVERAGE POPULATION IS, WELL, LAST I KNEW IT WAS LIKE 58.8 58 AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STILL ACCURATE. THEY'RE NOT GONNA VOTE FOR ANYONE UNDER, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, YEAH. IS IT? YEAH. I THINK IT'S ABOUT 65. YEAH. SO I THINK LIKE UNDERSTANDING, LIKE WAS THERE OPTIONS FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE? THEY JUST WEREN'T EVEN GETTING ELECTED BECAUSE THE PEOPLE VOTING ARE JUST, I'M NOT GONNA VOTE FOR SOMEONE UNDER THE AGE OF 50. THEY'RE A MILLENNIAL. THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T SEE THE WORLD THE SAME WAY I DO. YEAH. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION. JUST TRY TO SEE LIKE, WHAT WAS, I LOVE THE IDEA ABOUT TRYING TO SURVEY CURRENT AND FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CURRENT, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ELECTION SEES, THIS IS ELECTION SEASON. MM-HMM . THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE POTENTIALLY RUNNING THE DATE TO SUBMIT IS TODAY, I THINK IS TODAY. IS IT? IT'S, I THINK IT'S TODAY. SO WE'LL KNOW, MAYBE IT'S NEXT WEEK. WE'LL KNOW WHO'S ACTUALLY GOT SIGNATURES AND GONNA RUN. BUT IT LOOKS DIFFERENT TO ME WITHOUT HAVING REALLY DUG INTO WHO THESE CANDIDATES ARE THAT ARE RUNNING. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT CROP. AND I'D ALMOST LIKE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO APPROACH THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING THE CANDIDATE AND THE CURRENT, BUT WHY THEY CHOSE TO RUN THIS YEAR. MAYBE THAT SAME KIND OF SURVEY. YEAH. ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OR THAT WOULDN'T BE THE SAME SURVEY FOR PAST, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE SOME INFORMATION. WE GOTTA BE VERY CAREFUL THAT IT'S NOT POLITICAL, RIGHT. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO RIGHT. GIVE SOMEONE AN ISSUE TO RUN ON OR NOT TO RUN ON. I, I DON'T WANNA BE IN INFLUENTIAL OR INVOLVED IN THAT WAY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT HOW THEY THEY'RE THINKING. SO THAT'S A GREAT IDEA ABOUT PUTTING TOGETHER A SURVEY AT AT LEAST OF THE CURRENT AND PAST COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, HOW DO WE WOULD, HOW ONLINE, HOW DO WE DO THAT, RUSS? HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE, YEAH. WELL, AND WITH THE COMMS GROUP, I WOULD GO RIGHT TO THEM. WE, WE DO A CITIZEN [01:05:01] SURVEY AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO THERE'S SOME ANALYSIS. I'VE DONE SURVEYS BEFORE AND BUILD THEM. BUT TO THAT END, AT LEAST GET SOME LEVEL OF REVIEW BY THIS GROUP TO MAKE SURE THERE'S, HOW DO WE COME UP WITH THE INITIAL SET OF QUESTIONS? IS THAT WHAT WE DO? OR IS IT, YEAH, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY, AT LEAST I COULD, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH STAFF TO GET A DRAFT OF THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS. 'CAUSE I DO THINK IF, IF THERE'S SOME LEVEL OF, HERE'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, IF YOU COULD FEED THAT, THEN WE CAN CREATE SOME LEVEL OF DRAFT THAT CAN GO WITH IT. SO MAYBE THAT'S JUST A, UH, AN EMAIL THAT IS YOUR HOMEWORK. OR AT LEAST PART OF THAT IS TO JUST SAY, OKAY, IF YOU WERE TO HAVE THAT EVEN A INFORMAL CONVERSATION WITH A FORMER, WITH THIS GROUP IN MIND, WHAT WOULD YOU ASK THEM AND THROW SOME QUESTIONS THIS WAY AND THEN AT THAT POINT CAN TAKE THAT AND CONSOLIDATE IT. OKAY. COOL. ANY OTHER TOPICS OUT THERE THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT? WHAT, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS SUMMARIZE THE MEETING, MAKE SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND ACTION ITEMS DUE SCHEDULING. WE GOT 15 MORE MINUTES TO DO THAT. AND, BUT ANY OTHER TOPICS THAT YOU THINK WE SHOULD TAKE ON IN A FUTURE MEETING THAT OCCURRED TO YOU AT THIS POINT? MM-HMM . THE AMOUNT, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE CONSIDERING. HOW, HOW ARE YOU COMING UP WITH THAT? I'M GOOD. THIS IS A MEDICAL SCHEDULING QUESTION. GO FOR IT. GET IT, GET IT, GET IT. WELL, I, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT WE DO, SO THE LEAGUE OF CITIES PUTS TOGETHER AN ANNUAL SURVEY OF COMPENSATION. INCLUDED IN THAT IS ELECTED OFFICIALS COMPENSATION. SO IT IS VERY NON, YOU KNOW, HEY JENNIFER, I'M GOOD DETAILED RELATED TO ALL THE OTHER STUFF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT DOES TALK ABOUT POPULATION, UH, VERY YES. SPECIFICALLY. AND ULTIMATELY KIND OF GIVE SOME LEVEL OF EXTRAS THAT MIGHT BE OFFERED IN SOME OF THE AREAS, INCLUDING LIKE A RETIREMENT PLAN OR AS WAS MENTIONED, UM, MEDICAL. SO I CAN GIVE YOU THAT RESULT MOST RECENTLY. AND THAT WAY YOU COULD LOOK AT WHAT CITY OF PHOENIX HAS, I MEAN, YOU COULD LOOK AT ALL ROUGHLY 90 CITIES AND GET AN IDEA AS TO HOW MUCH THEY GET PAID AND IF THERE'S ANY OF THOSE OTHER ANCILLARY BENEFITS. SO YOU'D HAVE THAT DATA TO WORK FROM. AND SO THAT WAS ONE THING I DIDN'T, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT AND I SAID, IF I START DOING THAT, THEN, THEN THAT BECOMES THE FOCUS. SO THAT WAY THAT, BUT TO THE END, THAT GIVES YOU AT LEAST SOME BASELINE INFORMATION TO WORK BAROMETER. RIGHT. SO I HAVE THAT FROM THE MOST RECENT, BASICALLY LAST YEAR THAT WOULD TELL YOU, UH, WHAT OTHER AREAS ARE DOING. BUT IT'S ONLY A FEW ITEMS ON THAT, IF YOU WILL. SO IF YOU GOT MORE INTERESTED AND HAD THAT, WHERE ARE SOME PLACES YOU WOULD WANT TO CALL AND GET INFORMATION OR HOW WE WOULD DO THAT? THEN WE COULD AT LEAST USE THAT AS, OH, WOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THEY DID THAT. MAYBE THAT'S THE TYPE OF GROUP WE NEED TO SPECIFICALLY TARGET FOR INFORMATION. DOES THAT DATA INCLUDE CITY MANAGERS? OH YEAH. NO, IT'S, THERE'S A WHOLE BASE LINE FROM A HR PERSPECTIVE. THEY DO BASE JOBS. SO WHETHER IT'S A POLICE OFFICER OR A JANITOR, A, YOU KNOW, CITY CLERK, HR, ALL THOSE ARE BASELINE JOBS THAT ARE IN THAT REPORT. WHAT YOU MADE ME, I THOUGHT WHILE YOU WERE TALKING. OKAY. WHAT ABOUT THE RATIO OF COUNCIL TO CITY STAFF? IS THAT SOMETHING IN EFFECT OR AT ALL? YEAH. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE POPULATION OF STAFF ON THERE. THEY DO HAVE, I WAS TELLING 'EM THE, THE LEAGUE OF CITIES REPORT THAT WE HAVE RIGHT, RIGHT. HAS THAT BASIC INFORMATION YEAH. ADMIN COURSE FROM, OR GOOGLE DRIVE OR COMMON THING THAT WE COULD GROUPWARE SOFTWARE THAT WE CAN ADD. SEE, AND YOU KNOW, AS THIS MATRIX EVOLVES, THE COMPILED DATA SO FAR AND PEOPLE OF COLOR MAKE COMMENTS AND YEAH, I'M THINKING I, WE HAVE A CITY SHAREPOINT THAT'S A PUBLIC SIDE SHAREPOINT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A LINK, YOU GO IN AND LIKE MAYBE CREATE A FOLDER THAT THEN ISN'T, BUT WHEN THAT IS, IT'S LIKE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO GO IN AND LOOK AT THAT WOULD DO THAT. WE OFTEN PUBLISH THINGS, RECORD REQUESTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WAY PUT IT THERE. SO WE COULD PUT A FOLDER TOGETHER THAT WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO POPULATE IT FROM EXTERNAL. AND IF YOU COULDN'T, THEN YOU'D GET IT TO ME AND I COULD POPULATE IT, FOR EXAMPLE. RIGHT. SO I CAN WORK WITH IT TO SEE IF I CAN PULL THAT TOGETHER. AND THAT WAY. AND AGAIN, SIMILARLY, OH, WE SECOND CALLING BACK. YEAH. OKAY. WE ARE. YES, WE GOT YOU NOW. SO THANK YOU. OKAY, COOL. I KEEP, I, I HAVE A RECORDING, THIS CALL RECORDED THROUGH, UM, TEAMS, BUT I AM ALWAYS COGNIZANT OF OH, SUSPENDERS A BACK A BACKUP. SO THAT'S WHY I KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH, WITH RECORDINGS. BUT ANY RATE, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE BASIC PRINCIPLE OF MAYBE A, A SHARE FILE POINT WHERE ANY OF THE INFORMATION THAT ANYBODY COMPILES CAN BE PUT IN. SO [01:10:01] I CAN, UH, SEE IF I CAN PULL THAT TOGETHER AND GET THAT OUT AS WELL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT SOME BENCHMARKING WORK TO DO. FUNNEL STUFF, IDEAS, THOUGHTS TO SEAN ABOUT AND, AND COPY RUSS WHEN YOU'RE DOING ANY OF THAT AS WELL. SO RUSS SEES WHAT WE'RE UP TO. I'M GONNA DO JUST SOME FLAGSTAFF BACKGROUND RESEARCH, GRAB ALL THE ARTICLES OF WHATEVER. I'LL GET THOSE TO RUSS. HE CAN GET THOSE THE BEST WAY. AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC, UH, OPEN MEETING LAW, THE BEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE IS SEND THINGS TO RUSS IF YOU WANNA SEND SOMETHING OUT TO ALL OF US AND HE CAN SEND IT OUT TO ALL OF US. YEAH, I WAS GONNA MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T A MISUNDERSTANDING. DON'T SEND TO AN ALL EMAIL GROUP. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT CREATES A SERIAL MEETING. YEAH. AND WE DON'T WANT THAT. SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING AND THEN YOU NEED IT TO REIN, YOU WANT IT TO INFORM OTHER PEOPLE, JUST SEND IT TO ME. MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THAT THAT'S THE CASE. THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT CREATING A 'CAUSE. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS, OH, I LIKE THAT, THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYBODY GOT THAT. AND NOW THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT CAN BE GENERATING AN ATTACK. YEP. YOU DON'T WANT THAT. NOBODY WANTS THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GONNA DO SOME FLAGSTAFF WORK. KURT, WE WILL HAVE KURT COME TO OUR NEXT MEETING. I'LL SEND HIM A LIST OF THE TOPICS THAT OKAY. I WANNA TALK ABOUT. YEAH. AND THEN SURVEY THIS IDEA SURVEY QUESTIONS. YOU'RE KINDA LEADING THAT. RUSS, PEOPLE SHOULD SEND SURVEY IDEA QUESTIONS TO, UH, IDEAS TO RUSS. KELLY, JUST SO YOU'RE, THE IDEA WAS THAT IF WE ASKED FORMER CURRENT ELECTED OFFICIALS A LIST OF QUESTIONS SO THAT WE GOT AN IDEA AS TO HOW MAYBE THIS PROCESS OR ULTIMATELY COMPENSATION HAD ANYTHING TO DO RELATIVE WITH THEIR DECISION TO RUN, NOT RUN, NOT CONTINUE TO RUN, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW MUCH TIME SO THAT THERE WAS SOME BACKGROUND TO THE ULTIMATE. HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU SPEND FORMALLY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S IN COUNCIL MEETINGS, MAYBE DOING READINGS, BUT THE INFORMAL, UH, YOU KNOW, SAFEWAY MEETINGS, ET CETERA. IF WE HAD SOME WAY TO ESTABLISH SOME BASELINE OF HOW MUCH TIME IT REALLY TAKES TO DO THIS JOB, SO THAT WAY THAT'S A BASELINE TO WORK FROM AGAINST THE ACTUAL COMPENSATION, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. SO THAT WAY YOU HAVE SOME DATA THERE. SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU WOULD ASK THAT FORMER SERVED, NOT PUBLICLY, BUT POTENTIALLY. JUST TO CLARIFY FOR MYSELF. YES. THAT WAS THE IDEA, IS THE, THE FORMER, IF WE COULD CONTACT THEM. YEAH. AND SO IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS THAT, IF YOU, IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO ASK THEM THAT, YOU WOULD EMAIL ME AND THEN I CAN CONSOLIDATE THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS FROM THE GROUP AND CREATE AT LEAST A DRAFT OF A LIST OF QUESTIONS. AND THEN WE COULD WORK OUT THE LOGISTICS WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO SEE IF WE CAN CONNECT AFTER THAT QUESTION. DRAFT WAS FINALIZED. SO SURVEYING PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, OUR GENERAL POPULATION AND PEOPLE THAT MIGHT WANNA SERVE IS NOT A BAD IDEA. COLLIE, WE SHOULD TALK MORE ABOUT THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. BUT LET'S START WITH THE PAST, CURRENT AND PAST. YEP. UM, JUST, UH, I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING WE SHOULD DO THIS. DO WE HAVE A MECHANISM TO ELICIT PUBLIC COMMENT AT A CERTAIN POINT TO RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT? WELL, WE DO. IF THEY COME TO THIS MEETING, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, OFF THE TABLE FOR US TO TRY AND HOLD SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC FORUM ON THE TOPIC, WE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD THINK ABOUT WANTING TO DO THAT OURSELVES, SET UP AT THE LIBRARY AND SEND A NOTICE OUT AND SEE IF ANYONE WANTS TO COME TO TALK TO US. IT'S POSSIBLE BUSINESS. UH, WE HAVE A COMMUNICATION STAFF THAT COULD BE POSTING AND THEY SHOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PROGRESS OF THIS GROUP AS IT GOES ALONG. WE SHOULD BE PUTTING IT OUT THERE THAT, AND WE SHOULD COMMUNICATE TO THE RED ROCK NEWS OF, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S ABOUT OUR COMMUNICATION STAFF, ABOUT HOW WE TRY TO SOLICIT PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS, BUT I, I KNOW IF I TALK TO THEM, THEY'LL GO, WELL, THIS IS HOW WE COULD DO THAT. SO I'M NOT GONNA PROMISE ANYTHING. 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW. BUT YEAH, THERE'S PROBABLY WAYS THAT THEY, THEY WOULD FORMALIZE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT THAN I, I KNOW ABOUT. YEP. SO THAT WE CAN SAY TODAY OR TOMORROW, WE CAN SAY WE HAD OUR INITIAL MEETING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DIMENSIONS THAT WE WANT TO TRY TO THINK YEP. YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THIS PROBLEM AT, AND THE SURVEYS THAT WE WANT TO ASK PEOPLE AND, AND WHAT OUTREACH WE WANT TO DO. AND I, I WILL BE UPDATING COUNCIL FROM THE DIOCESE ON OUR CURRENT EVENTS ITEM. YOU KNOW, I, I, THAT WAS MY COMMITMENT TO CITY COUNCIL TO KEEP THEM APPRISED OF THAT WE'RE WORKING. SO IN WHAT WE'RE DOING, CAN I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION? YEAH. I'M GUESSING MOST PEOPLE ALREADY KNOW THIS, BUT I DON'T, SINCE I'M NEW. UH, WHAT IS THE CURRENT COMPENSATION? I KNOW THERE'S A, THE PAYMENT IS, IS THERE ANY CITY BENEFIT? LIKE NO, NO BENEFITS. IT'S ONLY, [01:15:01] UH, UH, YEAH, FIVE 50. I BELIEVE THE NUMBERS ARE FIVE 50 FOR COUNCILS MEMBER MONTH AND EIGHT, 800 FOR THE, UH, MAYOR PER MONTH. THAT'S IT. THEN THEY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO TO A MEETING IN CLARKDALE OR WHATEVER, YOU CAN SUBMIT FOR MILEAGE AND IF THERE'S SOME CONFERENCE THAT YOU WANT TO GO TO, YOU CAN SUBMIT AND GET RE UH, REIMBURSED FOR YOUR EXPENSES. BUT THERE'S NO, NO BENEFITS OTHER THAN THE MONTHLY PAY. ARE WE ALSO DETERMINING THE MAYOR WITHIN THAT? YES. OKAY. YEAH. THE MAYOR IS IN OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS CONSIDERED PART OF THE CITY COUNCIL. SO THEY'RE JUST, UH, THEY JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT AMOUNT BECAUSE OF THE JOB. PEOPLE TEND TO, THEY LIVE IN THE SPOTLIGHT MORE THAN THE COUNCIL DOES. SO, YEAH. AND A LOT OF CEREMONIAL YEAH. ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY. YEAH. YEAH. WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THE MAYOR OF FULL-TIME? I, IT SEEMS TO ME IT ALL REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WANT TO RUN, YOU KNOW, YOUR LIFE IN, IN SERVING THE PUBLIC. THERE'S DEFINITELY BEEN COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE WORKED THERE BUTTS OFF IN THE PAST, OTHERS THAT PROBABLY SPEND A LITTLE BIT LESS TIME READING THE PACKETS. THERE'S PROBABLY SOME THAT READ ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT GET SUBMITTED AND SOME THAT JUST GLANCE THROUGH 'EM. THE MAYOR HAS ALWAYS BEEN, AND I THINK ALL OF OUR MAYORS, UH, HONORED THAT MORE PUBLIC LIGHT, THE CEREMONIAL DUTIES, THE RIBBON CUTTINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO GO TO. AND SO THEY HAVE, THEY GENERALLY HAVE MORE, YOU KNOW, TIME ALLOTTED TO THEM. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, OUR PACKETS CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM 200 TO 800 PAGES LONG AND YOU CAN SPEND A LOT OF TIME READING EVERY TWO WEEKS. YOU CAN READ A LOT OF STUFF. CONTRACT LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW, IN REALLY INTERESTING DETAILS ABOUT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT OR INTERESTING DETAILS. , VERY INTERESTING. . YEAH. DESCRIPTION. HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU MORE ABOUT IT ANYTIME YOU WANT. OKAY. LET'S THINK ABOUT THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH, THAT'S MY BIGGEST LOGISTIC. I KNOW IT'S BEEN HARD TO GET TO EVEN THIS DAY OR EVEN A COUPLE FOLKS. I KNOW THERE WAS THE DISCUSSION, AT LEAST WITH A, A MEMBER OR TWO ABOUT TRYING TO DO THIS BEFORE NOON BECAUSE OF LOGISTICS THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS WITH THIS GROUP. IS THERE A WAY TO KEEP THIS AT SOME SORT OF MORNING TO NOON OPERATION? IS THAT POSSIBLE? IF WE NARROW IT DOWN TO THAT? IS THAT STILL OKAY? BROCK AND CJ, I, BROCK AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT CALENDARS. I KNOW YOUR CALENDAR IS QUITE CRAMMED. CJ I DON'T KNOW YOUR CALENDAR. WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BABY IN TWO WEEKS. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CRAMMED CALENDAR RUNNING THAT'S A FULL, THAT'S A 24 7 JOB. . EXACTLY MY POINT. UH, I MEAN GENERALLY LIKE I'M, I'M JUST ONE PERSON WITHIN IT. UM, HOW I SCHEDULE MY OWN WORK. 'CAUSE I WORK A LOT IN PHOENIX AND SCOTTSDALE CARE CREEK. I WORK THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND EVEN THE REGION. I GO TO NEW MEXICO FOR JOBS. UM, I GENERALLY TRY TO ALWAYS BE HERE EVERY MONDAY NO MATTER WHAT. UM, AND I GENERALLY TRAVEL LIKE TWICE A MONTH FOR SEVERAL DAYS AT A TIME IS GENERALLY, SO EARLIER IN THE WEEK IS GENERALLY A LITTLE BETTER, BUT WITH ONLY THREE OR FOUR MEETINGS, I CAN BE SOMEWHAT FLEXIBLE AND JUST BLOCK OFF DAYS. BROCK, YOU'RE TUESDAY MORNING. THIS TIME'S TUESDAYS ARE GOOD. MONDAYS WAS NOT SO GOOD. WE, MONDAYS ARE FINE. OH, MONDAYS ARE FINE. MONDAY. YEAH. MONDAYS BEST. MONDAYS ARE BEST MONDAY'S FINE WITH ME TOO. DOY, HOW ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT MONDAYS? YEAH, I THINK WE ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT MONDAY MORNINGS AT, AT SOME POINT. YEAH. I DON'T HAVE ANY REOCCURRING MONDAY MORNING CONCERNS. ALL RIGHT. SO HOW FAR OUT DO WE WANNA SCHEDULE THE NEXT MEETING? WELL, I WAS JUST, I WAS PUSHING A MONTH OUT. SO THAT'S EVEN THE 28TH OR THE 27TH. THAT'S, THAT'S BEST FOR ME IS THE . I, I UNDERSTAND HERE. BUT AGAIN, I THINK IF IT'S OUT FAR ENOUGH, AT LEAST I'D HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH HER FROM. SO MONDAYS, EVERY OTHER MONDAY IS I, I'M PREPPING FOR A COUNCIL MEETING. USUALLY MEET WITH THE CITY MANAGER STUFF. BUT THE OFF MONDAYS WORK WELL FOR ME. YEAH. 'CAUSE THAT'S A THIRD MONDAY. I AM ASSUMING THAT. YEAH. SO THE 20TH IS A GOOD DAY. 20TH. GOOD FOR ME. I'M OUT OF TOWN. NOT GOOD FOR YOU. CJ DID IT WORK? HOLLY? DOES THE 20TH WORK FOR YOU, SEAN? I AM DRIVING FROM ONE LOCATION TO ANOTHER, SO I CAN'T LOOK. UH, BUT I I'M SURE IT'S WITH THIS MUCH TIME, IT'LL BE FINE. AND I GUESS YOU CAN INTERRUPT MY PLANNING AND ZONING PREP ANYMORE. NO, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. ANYMORE. BROCK, THAT TRIP YOU'RE ON IS AT [01:20:01] MULTI-DAY. I'M LEAVING THE 17TH AND COMING BACK THE 20TH. SO THE 20TH. SO I CAN, I CAN IN THEORY BE ON THE PHONE WHILE I OR THE 21ST TUESDAY. I MEAN TUESDAY I'LL BE HERE THEN. YEAH. GOOD. HOW ABOUT THE 21ST? TUESDAY WORKS FOR ME. IT'S NOT ME. LIKE LATE OUT. YEAH. MORNING TIME. SEAN. MORNING'S FINE. C 2020 FIRST IN THE MORNING. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A STANDING MEETING WITH MY GM, BUT I CAN MOVE IT AS LONG AS I HAVE ENOUGH TIME. UH, YEAH, LEE, LET'S, LET'S PLAN TUESDAY THE 21ST. I THINK WE'RE ALL HERE. ALRIGHT, SO TIME NINE TO 11. 10 TO NOON. DOES NINE TO 11 WORK FOR PEOPLE? IT IS A LITTLE EARLY. 10 TO NOON. 10 TO NOON. 10. I, I'M GONNA HAVE TO LEAVE EARLY IF WE GO PAST 1120 'CAUSE I GOTTA PICK THE KID UP FROM SCHOOL. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS NINE. HOW ABOUT NINE 30? NINE 30. NINE 30 TO 11, SEAN? NINE 30 TO NINE 30. 9 30, 20 FIRST. ALRIGHT, WELL AWESOME. WE'LL CHECK WITH DIANE AND RIGHT AWAY AND WE'LL GET THIS, WE'LL FIND A ROOM, . IF THIS ISN'T AVAILABLE, IT'LL BE SOMEWHERE. ALRIGHT. SO ANECDOTAL QUESTION. YEP. DOES ANYBODY HERE REMEMBER ANYBODY ON COUNCIL WORKING A FULL-TIME JOB AND DOING COUNCIL? SO, SO BRADSHAW. BRADSHAW DID DEREK FAF DOES CURRENTLY. BRIAN, UH, BRIAN FOLTZ DOES CURRENTLY. WHAT DO THEY DO? SO, UH, DEREK IS A CONTRACT ATTORNEY. OKAY. HE WORKS AT HOME ONLINE. BRIAN IS A FRANCHISEE AND A FRANCHISEE OWNER AND A CONSULTANT. BUT YEAH, HE'S FULL-TIME. MM-HMM . BRAD SHAW DEFINITELY WORKED FULL-TIME. YEAH. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. I CAN'T REMEMBER EVERYBODY WHO'S BEEN ON COUNCIL. YEAH. I'M TRYING TO THIS POINT. UH, UM, YEAH. AT POINT, YEAH. SANDY WAS IN CPA A YEP. IT'S GOT TO GOING BACK SO FAR. IT KINDA SOUNDS LIKE THEY ALL WORK FOR THEMSELVES THOUGH, TOO. YEP. RIGHT. THAT'S THE BIG THING HERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT THAT'S, I AGREE. AND THAT MAY ALWAYS BE A BIG THING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF EMPLOYERS THAT ALLOW YOU TO MAKE THAT KIND OF COMMITMENT. MM-HMM . OUTSIDE OF YOUR, ON YOUR OWN TIME. YEAH. BILL CHISHOLM I THINK WORKED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE DID THOUGH, PHIL. NO, HE IS RETIRED SERVICE. WAS HE RETIRED? HE DIDN'T WORK. BILL WHO? CHISEL CHISHOLM. AMERICAN SERVICE. YEP. SO HERE'S THIS LIST THAT SENT. SO WE'LL, WE'LL WORK ON THAT KIND OF INFORMATION THEN FOLKS. YEP. SO WE'RE MEETING ON THE 21ST AT NINE 30. TECHNICALLY AT THIS TIME, THIS ROOM? I BELIEVE SO. I, I WAS LOOKING, THE ONLY OTHER COMPETING INTEREST THAT I HAD, WAS IT THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. SO HOPEFULLY I CAN, LIKE I SAID, THAT'LL BE A COMMUNICATE I CAN GET OUT AS SOON AS I CAN GET DIANE TO YEAH, AGREE. AND, AND AGAIN, I KNOW SHE'S AT AN APPOINTMENT, SO HOPEFULLY BY THIS AFTERNOON I'LL GET SOME CONFIRMATION, MAYBE EVEN BY TOMORROW, GET THAT AND THEN WE WOULD POST IT AND THEN WE'D START TO BUILD THAT INFORMATIONAL PIPELINE. I'LL GET WITH, UH, THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM ABOUT EVEN THIS MEETING BEING POSTED IN A WAY THAT COMMUNICATES OUT THE BASICS OF WHAT WE STARTED WITH. SO. GREAT. OKAY. GOOD. I'VE GOT INTERVIEWS ALL AFTERNOON. THAT'S MY PROBLEM. . SO, BUT THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM THAT WE'LL FIGURE OUT YOUR OPPORTUNITY. THAT'S YOUR JOB. THE OPPORTUNITY I'D LOVE ALL THE TIME. SO MY OPPORTUNITY. WELL THANK, THANK YOU ALL. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ENERGY AND ENTHUSIASM FOR THE TOPIC. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EVERY, YOU KNOW, EACH ONE OF YOU AND AS WE MUDDLE OUR WAY THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL, KIND OF REALLY SOUNDS LIKE A MATH PROBLEM AT THIS POINT MORE THAN ANYTHING. LIKE GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION BEFORE WE CAN EVEN DECIDE STRUCTURE WHERE WE GO. YEAH. YEAH. NOT EVEN LIKE, I DON'T MEAN NECESSARILY MATH, I JUST MEAN LIKE A DIG, LIKE YEAH, YEAH. PLUGGING ALL THE THINGS INTO WE NEED A GOOD PROJECT MANAGER. YEAH. PEOPLE WANNA SEND AN EMAIL TO RUSS WITH THEIR LIST OF PIVOT POINTS OR . YEP. YEP. AND THEN, YEAH. YEAH. LAURA, YOU WERE OUT. THE BEST WAY FOR US TO COMMUNICATE IS SEND IT TO RUSS. OKAY. TELL RUSS WHAT YOU WANNA DO. OKAY. AND THEN HE CAN OKAY. WE DON'T WANNA COMMUNICATE ACROSS EMAIL. AND YOU CROSS EACH OTHER THEN? NO, IT'S A PUBLIC, IT'S AN OPEN MEETING. OH, RIGHT, RIGHT. OPEN MEETING. NO CONSENSUS BUILDING. MAKE SURE, VERY FAMILIAR WITH DON'T DO THAT. I CAN USE THE PLATFORM TO INFORM YOU RIGHT ABOUT IT AS A GROUP. RIGHT. BUT AT THE SAME POINT, MAKING COMMENTS BACK AS YEP. IF YOU GET THAT SHAREPOINT MEANING WE CAN DUMP THAT INFORMATION THERE AND THEN WE'RE BAGGING ON. YEAH, THAT [01:25:01] WOULD BE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. AT 1229, I THINK WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING SUCCESSFUL. YEAR ADJOURNED. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANKS COLLIE FOR SERVICE. I. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.