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I'VE BEEN DOING SOMETHING. 
          [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]
GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. 
          WELCOME TO THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH I'M CALLING TO ORDER AT 1:01 PM ON WEDNESDAY, APRIL 15TH. 
          TAX DAY 2026. 
          SHUTTER SHUTTER. 
          MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? MAYOR PLU. 
          HERE, VICE MAYOR FOLTZ. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILOR DUNN. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCILOR FURMAN. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILOR HUSSEI. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCILOR KINSELLA. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNSELOR FAF HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN YOU JOIN ME WITH, FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO TODAY WE'RE HAVE SPECIAL BUSINESS. 
          WE HAVE THE WORK SESSION REGARDING OUR CITY OF SEDONA BUDGET FOR 20 26, 20 27. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY TODAY. 
          WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE START OF THE MEETING. 
          SO I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC FORUM IN A MINUTE. 
          YOU'LL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES INSTEAD OF THE REGULAR THREE MINUTES. 
          AND, UH, THE TOTAL TIME FOR ALL COMMENTS IS 30 MINUTES. 
          I THINK WE'LL BE OKAY 'CAUSE I HA DON'T HAVE THAT MANY CARDS. 
          UH, BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW, SO THINK ABOUT HOW IF YOU WERE PLANNING FOR THREE, YOU COULD SCALE BACK TO TWO. 
          AND, UH, TODAY, THIS IS THE START OF OUR BUDGET. 
          NEXT WEEK WE'LL BE MEETING ON THE 22ND AND 23RD FOR TWO ADDITIONAL DAYS, AND THEN WE WILL BE MEETING AGAIN, I THINK TWO MORE TIMES. 
          UH, SO PLEASE, ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT WITH WITHIN THE BUDGET WILL BE LI THIS WILL BE LIMITED TO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET, NOT ANYTHING ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          [3.a. Public Comment: Public comment on all budget items will be taken at the outset of the meeting. Each person commenting will have a maximum of two minutes. The entire period for the public comment will not exceed thirty minutes.]
SO I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM. 
          FIRST CARD I HAVE IS SKIP DOME, FOLLOWED BY BECKY KRAUS. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM MAYOR, COUNSELORS AND STAFF. 
          I'M SKIP DOM AND I RESIDE IN WEST SEDONA, AND I AM A TRUSTEE ON THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY BOARD. 
          WHEN I ARRIVED HERE 16 MONTHS AGO, I IMMEDIATELY VOLUNTEERED AT THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM. 
          WHILE NEITHER A HISTORIAN NOR A MUSEUM GUY, I QUICKLY UNDERSTOOD THE MISSION OF THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND REALIZED THAT RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS WHOM I ENCOUNTERED DAILY, HAD A SINCERE INTEREST IN OUR STORY. 
          THE FACTUAL HISTORY, IF YOU WILL, OF HOW OUR LITTLE OLD TOWN WAS FORMED AND HOW OUR FOREFATHERS AND FORE MOTHERS VENTURED HERE FROM MAINE, MISSOURI, GERMANY, AND BRAVE THE ELEMENTS, THE LACK OF ROADS AND CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL, AND YET PERSEVERED. 
          THE FOUNDING FAMILIES WERE COURAGEOUS, FEARLESS. 
          IN FACT, IMAGINE THEM WAKING UP ONE MORNING AND SAYING, PACK THE BUCKBOARD. 
          HONEY, WE'RE MOVING WEST, DECIDING TO TRAVEL WITHOUT ROADS AMIDST HORRENDOUSLY DIFFICULT WEATHER AND DAILY CHALLENGES. 
          BUT THEY WERE ALSO INVENTIVE, RESOURCEFUL, DEDICATED TO EDUCATING THEIR CHILDREN AND TOOK UP ART AS NOT ONLY ENTERTAINING, BUT INSPIRING. 
          THEY BUILT SCHOOLS, BECAME PAINTERS AND SCULPTORS, FARMED IN DRY TERRAIN, AND SUCCEEDED IN CREATING A SUSTAINABLE ECONOMY. 
          AND WERE THE PILLARS OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY'S MISSION IS BOTH RESPECTFUL AND REFLECTIVE OF THEIR COURAGE, INVENTIVENESS, RESOURCEFULNESS, CHARACTER, AND DETERMINATION. 
          THEY ARE THE FOUNDATION OF WHAT SEDONA IS TODAY. 
          THE MISSION IS TO PRESERVE, INTERPRET, AND SHARE THE UNIQUE HISTORY OF SEDONA AND THE RED ROCK COUNTRY. 
          SET ANOTHER WAY, PRESERVING THE PAST FOR THE FUTURE. 
          WHERE ARE WE TO NOT FUND THIS MISSION, THIS PURPOSE, THIS 140 4-YEAR-OLD HISTORY? THEN WE FAIL IN UNDERSTANDING OUR OWN TRUE LEGACY AND WE'LL FAIL IN EDUCATING OUR RESIDENTS AND YOUTH WHO WILL INHERIT IT. 
          FINAL NOTE, MORE THAN 1000 VISITORS TOUR THE MUSEUM MONTHLY. 
          NOT COUNTING THE BUS TOURS. 
          RECENT SURVEY RESULTS SHOW A 35 TO ONE RATIO OF VISITORS IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING IT TO OTHERS. 
          I STRONGLY E URGE EACH OF YOU TO KEEP THE PURPOSE, THE MISSION, AND THE LEGACY ALIVE BY FULLY FUNDING THE 
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HERITAGE MUSEUM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SKIP BECKY, FOLLOWED BY EVAN PULIA. 
          DID I PRONOUNCE THAT RIGHT, EVAN? CLOSE ENOUGH. 
          . 
          EVAN. 
          EVAN, YEAH. 
          MY NAME IS BECKY CRUZ AND I'M PRESIDENT OF THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY. 
          AND FIRST, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE CITIZEN BUDGET WORKING GROUP FOR LISTENING TO OUR PRESENTATION TO BEGIN WITH AND PASSING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. 
          ALSO, COUNCIL CONTINUES TO SUPPORT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM MAKES IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO CONTINUE PRESERVING IN SHARING THE UNIQUE HISTORY OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO THANK YOU ALL. 
          AND BECKY, FOR THE RECORD, COULD YOU SAY WHERE YOU LIVE? UH, SEDONA, ARIZONA. 
          THANK YOU EVAN. 
          FOLLOWED BY TRACY RANDALL. 
          OKAY. 
          EVAN PIA. 
          UH, CITY OF SEDONA. 
          SO, UM, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME. 
          UM, IF YOU'RE UNFAMILIAR, I AM ONE OF THE VOLUNTEER BICYCLE COORDINATORS FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. 
          UM, I'M ALSO A HOMEOWNER HERE IN TOWN, UM, OWN A SMALL BUSINESS, AND I'M ALSO THE DIRECTOR OF WHEEL FUN. 
          AND IF YOU'RE UNFAMILIAR WITH WHEEL FUN, UH, THE REASON WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR TODAY IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A AFTERSCHOOL BIKE CLUB PROGRAM AT WEST SEDONA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND WE ALSO HAVE ONE AT RED ROCK JUNIOR HIGH. 
          SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE FULL-TIME, UH, BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN COORDINATOR POSITION. 
          AND I THINK THAT THERE'S THREE MAIN REASONS WHY I SUPPORT THIS AND THAT IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO TIMING. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN HELPING OUT WITH THE STEPS PROGRAM, AND THE STEPS PROGRAM HAS GROWN, RIGHT? IT'S TIME TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S REALLY GONNA FOCUS ON THE DETAILS OF THIS PROGRAM, UH, SOMEONE WHO'S DEDICATED TO THIS MISSION. 
          UM, AND WE'RE ALSO SO CLOSE TO CONNECTING THE DOTS BECAUSE OF ALL OF YOUR WORK, RIGHT? YOU'VE SUPPORTED ON DANTE, YOU SUPPORTED, UH, DRY CREEK. 
          AND UM, JUST HAVING SOMEONE HERE BOOTS ON THE GROUND TO PUSH THIS TO THE FINISH LINE IS GONNA BE CRITICAL. 
          AND THEN ALSO IN OUR INDUSTRY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT E-BIKES ARE SWEEPING, SWEEPING THE NATION, RIGHT? AND, UM, IT'S A TRICKY, IT'S A TRICKY THING TO DEAL WITH, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE BICYCLES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE E-BIKES NOW PEDESTRIANS OUT ON THESE ROADS, AND WE NEED SOMEONE WITH THE EXPERTISE IN ORDER TO DO THIS, RIGHT? OKAY. 
          THE SECOND REASON IS WE ALREADY HAVE THE RIGHT CANDIDATE IN PLACE. 
          THIS PERSON HAS THE EXPERIENCE, THEY'LL SAVE US MONEY BY KEEPING EVERYTHING IN-HOUSE. 
          AND THIS INDIVIDUAL IS VERY COMMUNITY FOCUSED. 
          AND MY LAST POINT IS, THIS IS ALL ABOUT INVESTING IN A HEALTHIER COMMUNITY HERE IN SEDONA. 
          SO, UM, I HOPE THAT WE CAN STAND TOGETHER AND BE FOR HEALTHIER KIDS, HEALTHIER PEOPLE ON BIKES, AND PUSH THIS FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          TRACY, FOLLOWED BY LARS. 
          UM, THANK YOU COUNSELORS, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR. 
          UH, MY NAME'S TRACY RANDALL, RESIDENT OF SEDONA, PRESIDENT OF THE VVCC. 
          AND I'M HERE TO ENTHUSIASTIC ENTHUSIASTICALLY, I GOTTA SAY IT RIGHT, SUPPORT THE TRANSITION TO A FULL-TIME POSITION FOR THE BIKE AND PED COORDINATOR TO SUPPORT THE BIKE PARK, THE SHARED USE PASS, AND COORDINATION WITH THE TRAIL SYSTEM. 
          THE CITY IS INVESTING SIGNIFICANTLY, AS EVAN SAID, AND HAS MADE GREAT STRIDES IN THE SHARED USE PATHS AND A FULL-TIME ROLE. 
          MAKES SENSE. 
          IT'S PRACTICAL. 
          AS EVAN SAID, I THINK IT'LL SAVE US MONEY. 
          AND IT IS OUTLINED IN THE ORIGINAL GO PLAN THAT THIS POSITION WOULD EXIST. 
          THIS ALSO OFFERS A GO-TO POINT PERSON FOR MULTIMODAL ISSUES AND IDEAS THAT CROSS THE SHARED USE PATHS, THE BIKE PARK AND OUR TRAILS. 
          IT GIVES US SOMEONE FOR THE VOLUNTEERS, CITY STAFF AND THE FOREST SERVICE TO COORDINATE WITH. 
          IT'S A PRACTICAL AND NA NECESSARY NEXT STEP, IN MY OPINION. 
          I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THE E-BIKES, BUT IT'S A GREAT POINT. 
          UM, EVAN JUST BROUGHT UP, THERE'S SOME RUMORS GOING ON ABOUT E-BIKES THAT I HAD TO ADDRESS, UM, WITH OUR, UM, MEMBERS. 
          AND IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE SOMEONE AT THE CITY TO TALK TO ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, I THINK AS EVAN SAID, WE HAVE A GREAT CAN CANDIDATE, UM, THAT HAS THE RIGHT EXPERIENCE AND RELATIONSHIPS AND WOULD BE EFFECTIVE RIGHT OUT THE GATES. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE MAKING POSITIVE STRIDES AND THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT AND POSITIVE STEP FORWARD THAT I THINK THE CITY SHOULD MAKE. 
          UM, SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. 
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OKAY, LARS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COOL. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          MY NAME'S LARS, EG. 
          I LIVE IN THE CHAPEL AREA AND I'M A BOARD MEMBER OF THE VERDE VALLEY COALITION, BUT I DON'T WANT TO JUMP IN AND REPEAT A LOT OF WHAT TRACY AND EVAN SAID, BUT I DO WANT TO DIVE INTO LIKE SUPPORTING THE BIKE PEDESTRIAN COORDINATOR AND THE, THE DEVILS IN THE DETAILS OF THIS KIND OF STUFF. 
          UM, SAFETY AND THE FLUIDITY OF HOW THIS STUFF WORKS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          SO HAVING FULL-TIME STAFF BEING ABLE TO FOCUS ON THAT WILL REALLY MAKE THAT LIKE THAT MUCH BETTER. 
          AND I'LL SAY, I ACTUALLY DID COMMUTE HERE ON AN E-BIKE FROM MY HOUSE IN THE CHAPEL AREA, AND I WAS HERE QUICKER THAN THE CARS. 
          SO THERE'S LITTLE DETAILS THOUGH TO MAKE THAT AS SAFE FOR EVERYONE ELSE. 
          I'M VERY COMFORTABLE IN THAT. 
          BUT THAT PERSON IN THIS POSITION CAN GET INTO THOSE DETAILS TO MAKE THAT WORK FOR EVERYONE ELSE. 
          AND NOT JUST PEOPLE LIKE ME THAT ARE INDIFFERENT TO TRAFFIC, BUT MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT INDIFFERENT. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT BY HAVING THAT PERSON FOCUSED THERE, GETTING VOLUNTEERS, GETTING THE DETAILS AND THE DESIGN AND THE OUTPUT OF THIS STUFF AND HOW IT'S EXECUTED WILL REALLY BRING BACK A LARGE RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT IN THIS AND REALLY KIND OF CHANGE HOW WE CAN GET OUT OF OUR VEHICLES AND GET ONTO BIKES WHEN WE WANT TO AND STILL GET AROUND TOWN IN A VERY EFFICIENT MANNER. 
          SO I'LL GO HOME AND PROBABLY MAKE IT HOME IN 15 MINUTES. 
          , THAT'S IT. 
          I'M NOT GONNA GO MUCH FURTHER. 
          THANKS LARS. 
          UH, JOHN THOMPSON, FOLLOWED BY KATHY LEVIN. 
          AND THAT'S THE LAST CARD I HAVE IS KATHY. 
          SO IF ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO SPEAK, OH, OKAY. 
          UH, AFTERNOON, FILL A CARD NOW PLEASE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNSEL. 
          JOHN THOMPSON. 
          SEDONA, I'M SURE THE CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP DID A FINE JOB REVIEWING THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND PROVIDING THEIR FINANCIAL ANALYSIS. 
          AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THEIR PRESENTATION, BUT I HAVE A CONCERN. 
          THEY VOTED NO ON MOST OF THE FIVE SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT DECISION PACKAGES FOR WHICH THE CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, INCLUDING TREE PLANTING PROGRAM TO REDUCE THE HEAT ISLANDS AND ABSORB CO2, WHILE ALSO BEAUTIFYING OUR CITY. 
          AND A PILOT PROGRAM FOR DOOR-TO-DOOR COMPOSTING WITH A SEDONA COMPANY THAT ALREADY PROVIDES THE SERVICE TO DOZENS OF SATISFIED PAYING CUSTOMERS. 
          THE WORK GROUP ALSO RECOMMENDED AGAINST TWO OTHER SUSTAINABILITY RELATED DECISION PACKAGES FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          AN ELECTRIC PATROL VEHICLE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND A FULL-TIME CONVERSION FOR A PART-TIME POSITION. 
          PUBLIC WORKS IN PUBLIC WORKS TO COORDINATE MULTIMODAL MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES. 
          ALL OF THE REMAINING SEVEN DECISION PACKAGES AGREED TO BY THE CITY MANAGER GOT THUMBS UP FROM THE CBWG, WHICH FOR SOME REASON SEEMS TO HAVE TROUBLE. 
          GREEN LIGHTING, MOST OF THE GREEN PROJECTS, PLEASE DO NOT BE DETERRED. 
          YOU ALL KNOW HOW HIGHLY SEDONA RESIDENTS VALUE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND HOW SERIOUSLY DANGEROUS OUR FUTURE WILL BE IF WE DON'T INCREASE, LET ALONE MAINTAIN OUR EFFORTS TO PROTECT OURSELVES AND OUR NEIGHBORS, INCLUDING THE MEMBERS OF THE CBWG, FROM THE WORST CASE CLIMATE CHANGE SCENARIOS. 
          JOIN THE CITY MANAGER IN SUPPORTING THE SUSTAINABILITY RELATED DECISION PACKAGES AND BUDGET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU JT KATHY, FOLLOWED BY RICHARD GRIMS RAT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I'M KATHY LEVIN, CITY OF SEDONA RESIDENT, AND I'M ALSO A TRUSTEE ON THE BOARD OF THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY. 
          AND I'M HERE FIRST TO THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND THE HERITAGE MUSEUM, WHICH IS A CITY PARK JORDAN HISTORICAL PARK THIS YEAR. 
          IN ADDITION TO SUBMITTING OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE CONTRACT, WE ASKED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF TWO, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECTS. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS COOK CEDAR GLAD CEMETERY. 
          IT'S A LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK LOCATED ON AIRPORT ROAD. 
          WE OWN THE PROPERTY, WE MAINTAIN IT AND WE IMPROVE IT. 
          AND WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO HELP US IMPROVE THE CEMETERY. 
          IT WAS CREATED IN 1918 RIGHT AFTER THE SPANISH FLU. 
          UH, SEDONA SCHLEY AND HER FAMILY MEMBERS ARE BURIED THERE. 
          UH, THE TURTLES, UM, HEDGES, OTHERS EARLY FAMILY MEMBERS ARE, UH, VARIED IN THE CEMETERY. 
          WE'VE SET ASIDE MONEY TO, UM, UPLIFT IT. 
          AND WE'RE JOINED IN THAT, UH, 
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IN THIS WORK WITH A COLLABORATION OF THE BANEY GROUP, WHO THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, WAS ASKED TO CONTRIBUTE $25,000 TO THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, MIKE STEVENSON, HIS DAUGHTER, STEVE THOMPSON, ARCHITECT ELLO, UH, BECKY CRUZ, ARE ALL ON A COMMITTEE TO, UH, BEAUTIFY AND IMPROVE THE CEMETERY. 
          AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UH, PATHWAYS FENCING, UH, OBSTRUCTING THE VIEW TO THE U-HAUL PLACE AND MAKING IT A MORE WELCOMING, UH, AND RESPECTFUL AND SOMN PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO VISIT. 
          I WOULD ASK FOR ANOTHER MINUTE. 
          I CAN'T GIVE YOU A MINUTE, BUT YOU CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          FINISH. 
          THE OTHER PROJECT, UM, WHICH I THINK ACTUALLY MORE SQUARELY BELONGS IN A PARKS AND REC BUDGET, IS TO CREATE A RED ROCK WALL ON THE NORTH, UH, SIDE OF THE MUSEUM TO DEFINE THE SPACE, TO MAKE IT SAFE BECAUSE THERE'S A, A DROP OFF. 
          AND TO ENABLE US TO CONTINUE TO, UM, OFFER WEDDINGS AND OTHER SPECIAL EVENTS WHICH ADDS TO OUR REVENUE STREAM. 
          THANK YOU, KATHY. 
          THANK YOU, RICHARD. 
          MY NAME IS RICHARD GRIMS ROAD AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. 
          UM, I WROTE A LETTER TO THE RED ROCK NEWS A APPROXIMATELY A YEAR AGO. 
          I'M GONNA QUOTE FROM PART OF IT 'CAUSE IT LEADS INTO WHAT I, WHY I'M HERE TODAY FROM ONE WHOSE FAMILY GOES BACK, FAMILY HISTORY GOES BACK APPROXIMATELY A HALF CENTURY IN THIS TOWN. 
          I WANT TO COMMEND THE CITY ADMINISTRATION FOR FINALLY CLOSE CLOSING THE CROSSWALK OVER STATE ROUTE 1 79 AT LOCK IN FAVOR OF THE BEAUTIFUL UNDERGROUND PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY. 
          IT COMPLETED SOME YEARS AGO, SOME TIME AGO. 
          MY ONLY RESERVATION ABOUT THIS NECESSARY ACTUALLY WAS SATISFIED TODAY WHEN IT TOOK ME THE ONLY 10 MINUTES INSTEAD OF THE USUAL 20 TO GET FROM MY HOME, UPTOWN HOME TO A CLEAR WAY. 
          EXCUSE ME, SIR. 
          UM, I CAN ONLY TAKE COMMENTS ABOUT THE BUDGET. 
          ARE, DO YOU HAVE A CONNECTION TO THE BUDGET? WELL, I HAVE BEEN, UH, SPEAKING TO, UH, KURT HARRIS ABOUT, UH, THIS ISSUE, AND HE SAID THAT IT WOULD BE APPRO APPROPRIATE TO COME TODAY, UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME BUDGETED MATTERS. 
          I I INDICATED ON MY CARD IT HAD TO DO WITH TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC. 
          I THINK SOME OF THOSE, UH, UH, THOSE ISSUES WILL COME UP ON THE BUDGET, I'M ASSUMING, IS THAT CORRECT? SO WE CAN, WE'RE ONLY GONNA DEAL WITH THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW AS PRESENTED TO US, BUT PERHAPS WHEN KURT HARRIS IS TALKING ON HIS, 'CAUSE HE'S THE HEAD OF PUBLIC WORKS IN HIS AREA, HE COULD RAISE THIS ISSUE FOR YOU. 
          TOM, DO A, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH HIM CONTINUING SPEAK UP. 
          CONTINUING. 
          OKAY, GO AHEAD. 
          UH, IN ANY, YOU RESET THE CLOCK IN ANY CASE, I FINISHING THE, UM, FINISHING THE PEDESTRIAN, CLOSING THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY REALLY WORKED. 
          UM, AND I ENCOURAGED THEN TO FINISH THIS, WHAT I CALL THE GREAT RED, RED WALL OF SEDONA ROAD THAT GOES UP ON THE FOREST BYPASS. 
          AND THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          UM, BUT I THINK I'M CONCERNED ABOUT GOING BACKWARDS BECAUSE THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY IS NOT CLOSED. 
          IT'S SPORADICALLY CLOSED, SPORADICALLY OPEN WHEN IT'S OPEN. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A MESS WHEN THE PEDESTRIAN, A CROSSWALK IS OPEN. 
          IT'S A MESS WHEN IT'S CLOSED. 
          TRAFFIC CLOSED RELATIVELY FREEWAY FREELY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT THE, UH, COUNCIL TAKES SERIOUS CONSIDERATION TO CLOSING IT ALL ON FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAY WHEN THIS TOWN IS, UH, FULL OF TOURISTS AND THREE TIMES THE CARS AND ON SPRING BREAK WEEK, AND PROBABLY ON, UH, THE, THE TIME AROUND THANKSGIVING, CHRISTMAS, AND EASTER. 
          OTHERWISE, IT'S A MESS. 
          UH, AND I THINK WE'RE, UH, THE, WE'LL GO BACKWARDS IN TRYING TO RESTORE THIS TOWN TO SORT OF THE PRISTINE BEAUTY THAT IT HAD FOR, 
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UH, SITTING IN TRAFFIC JAMS ALL THE TIME. 
          IF WE DON'T DO THAT, I, I'VE SPOKEN TO MR. HARRIS ABOUT WHAT IS ON THE LINE ABOUT A, A NEW ROUNDABOUT AT BREWER ROAD, AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA, BUT WITHOUT CLOSING THAT TRAFFIC, THERE'S ONE WAY TO GET TO, UH, FOR CARS TO GET TO, UH, FROM UP, UH, FROM VOC AND PHOENIX AND SO ON AND SO FORTH THROUGH THE Y AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          AND THAT CLO THERE HAS TO BE A REGULAR, IN MY OPINION, CLOSURE. 
          I KNOW THERE'S SOME PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, SO, UM, 
          [3.b. An introduction to and overview of the 2026/2027 Fiscal Year Budget process will be presented and discussed.]
ITEM THREE B, AN INTRODUCTION TO AN OVERVIEW OF THE 20 26, 20 27 FISCAL YEAR BUDGET PROCESS WILL BE PRESENTED AND DISCUSSED. 
          AND SO STERLING AND BARBARA, TURN IT OVER TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, BARBARA WHITEHORN, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, AND THIS IS STERLING WEST, OUR BUDGET AND INVESTMENT MANAGER. 
          WE'LL BE TAG TEAMING THE PRESENTATION TODAY. 
          UM, I'M JUST GONNA GO OVER THE TIMELINES, UH, PARTICULARLY SO THAT PEOPLE IN OUR AUDIENCE AND WATCHING FROM HOME KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR SORT OF INTRODUCTION, UH, TO WHAT WE DID FOR THE BUDGET AND THEN THE CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS, AND ALSO TO DISCUSS THE COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER CONTRACTS. 
          UM, NEXT WEEK WE HAVE TWO MORE WORK SESSIONS ON THE 22ND AND 23RD. 
          THEN THERE'S ADOPTION OF THE TENTATIVE BUDGET AT THE END OF MAY AND ADOPTION OF THE FINAL BUDGET IN JUNE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, WE SUBMIT THE BUDGET FOR THE AWARD. 
          UM, THE AGENDA TODAY IS WE HAVE A, A FEW MINUTES FOR ANNETTE TO GO OVER LIKE A BUDGET MESSAGE AND THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE BUDGET THIS YEAR. 
          AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UM, ZERO BASED BUDGETING AND THE OVERVIEW DECISION PACKAGES AND COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDERS, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TIME FOR DISCUSSION. 
          AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THANK YOU BARBARA, ANNETTE ICKER, CITY MANAGER. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AND THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE HERE TODAY, ESPECIALLY FOLKS THAT HAVE SERVED ON OUR BUDGET WORK GROUP. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS. 
          ONE IS A REALLY BIG THANK YOU TO OUR STAFF TEAM THAT WORKED REALLY HARD IN DEVELOPING THIS BUDGET FOR YOU THIS YEAR, ESPECIALLY USING, UM, OUR NEW TOOL WITH THE ZERO BASED BUDGETING AND OUR, UM, RELATIVELY NEW BUDGET SOFTWARE IN THE MIDST OF OUR IMPLEMENTATION OF A NEW FINANCIAL SYSTEM THAT'S UNDERWAY. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, A LOT OF CHANGE HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES, AND, UM, I THINK THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF PUTTING ALL OF THIS TOGETHER FOR YOU TODAY. 
          I ALSO WANNA THANK THE CITIZEN BUDGET WORK GROUP WHO PUT IN A LOT OF HOURS, UM, WITH OUR FINANCE TEAM REVIEWING THOROUGHLY AND I MEAN THOROUGHLY, UH, THE INFORMATION, UM, THAT THEY, UH, WILL BE PRESENTING TO YOU AT THEIR POINT IN TIME AND PROVIDING ME REALLY EXCELLENT FEEDBACK, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ABOUT RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND I DO WANNA BE CLEAR THAT, UM, EVEN WHERE THERE ARE POINTS THAT ARE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER WHEN IT COMES TO DECISION PACKAGES, THAT IN NO WAY MEANS THAT I DID NOT, UM, TAKE THEIR FEEDBACK INTO CONSIDERATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          I REALLY VALUE THE WORK THAT THEY PUT IN FOR US. 
          UM, THE PHILOSOPHY THIS YEAR, UH, FOLLOWS THE DIRECTION AND GUIDANCE THAT WE RECEIVE FROM COUNCIL AT YOUR RETREAT. 
          UM, I'M PROPOSING A BUDGET THAT IS LOWER THAN THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET. 
          WE CONTINUE TO REDUCE THE BUDGET SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. 
          UM, WE'RE PROVIDING FOR VERY, UH, PRUDENT FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT AND, UH, DECISIONS ON HOW WE'RE FINANCING THINGS, REDUCING DEBT. 
          UM, AND WE'RE DOING THIS ALL WHILE TRYING TO MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT SERVICE LEVEL THAT OUR COMMUNITY EXPECTS FROM OUR VARIOUS PROGRAMS AND PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, IN THE FACE OF RISING INFLATION. 
          UM, HIGHLY INCREASED FUEL COSTS, UTILITY RATE INCREASES THAT WE ARE NOT IMMUNE FROM, JUST LIKE OUR RESIDENTS ARE NOT. 
          UM, AND THE RISING COST OF CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS. 
          UM, WE'RE STILL ABLE TO PREPARE AND PROPOSE THIS BALANCED BUDGET TO YOU. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S LOWER THAN THE CURRENT YEAR AND ACHIEVE THESE GOALS. 
          UM, WE RETAINED, UH, A TIGHTER FOCUS ON WHAT CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE PROPOSED TO YOU, UM, COMPLETING THOSE THAT ARE 
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UNDERWAY AND, UM, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHETHER OR NOT TO START ANY NEW PROJECTS IN THE UPCOMING YEAR. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE US MUCH SMALLER, CIP UH, WE CONTINUE TO PLAN THE CIP ON A 10 YEAR HORIZON, ALWAYS KEEPING IN MIND THAT THESE ARE PROJECTS FOR THE LONG TERM, FOR THE, UM, FOR THE FUTURE. 
          UM, SO WE STILL ACCOUNT FOR ALL OF THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. 
          UM, AND LASTLY, I WANNA SAY THAT, UM, WE'RE FOCUSED ON, UH, PARTNERSHIPS AND ENHANCING OUR, UM, ABILITY TO SERVE THE PUBLIC TOGETHER WITH OTHER ENTITIES THAT ARE SERVING OUR COMMUNITY AND BEING A GOOD PARTNER. 
          UM, SEVERAL OF THE CHALLENGES WE FACE IN SEDONA ARE THINGS THAT THE CITY CAN'T SOLVE BY ITSELF, AND WE NEED THOSE PARTNERS. 
          UM, AND LASTLY, UM, WE HAVE DEVELOPED THE BUDGET, AS YOU WILL HEAR IN A MANNER THAT TIES BACK INTO THE FOUR CORE GOALS THAT YOU SET OUT, UH, RELATED TO COMMUNITY BENEFITS, HOUSING, MOBILITY, AND THEN, UM, STARTING OUR WORK ON ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION. 
          SO AGAIN, I JUST WANNA SAY A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR TEAM THAT PREPARED ALL THIS FOR YOU FOR THE NEXT THREE DAYS, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FEEDBACK AND QUESTIONS AND, UM, I'LL LET THEM GET STARTED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, OUR 
          [3.c. Operating Budget overview: Zero Based Budgeting and Cost of Services.]
BUDGET DEVELOPMENT THIS YEAR, WE LOOKED AT ALL OF OUR HISTORIC BUDGETS AND OUR EXECUTION RATE, WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE, WHICH IS BASICALLY HOW MUCH OF THE BUDGET WE ACTUALLY SPEND WHEN IT COMES TO THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          AND OUR HISTORIC EXECUTION RATE IS AROUND 80%. 
          SO WE KNEW WE HAD ROOM TO MAKE SOME CHANGES. 
          AND SO WE IMPLEMENTED, AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED, THE ZERO BASE BUDGETING, WHICH ESSENTIALLY IS TAKING EVERY BUDGET AND ZEROING THE LINE ITEMS COMPLETELY. 
          AND THEN EACH DEPARTMENT HAD TO JUSTIFY EVERY EXPENDITURE FOR EVERY ITEM. 
          UM, IT'S A VERY ARDUOUS PROCESS, BUT I THINK IN THE END IT IS WORTH IT. 
          UM, AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND THEIR BUDGET ANALYSTS AND SUPPORT STAFF, UM, BECAUSE THEY PUT HUNDREDS OF HOURS INTO REALLY ANALYZING WHERE WE'RE SPENDING MONEY AND HOW MUCH WE'RE SPENDING, UM, TO BRING YOU THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE, UH, FOR YOU INTER IN THE INTRODUCTION TODAY. 
          SO THIS IS OUR HISTORIC BUDGETS OVER TIME, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'VE COME DOWN THE LAST TWO YEARS. 
          UM, WE ARE, AND I BROKE IT INTO OPERATIONS AND CIP, UM, TOTAL BUDGET VERSUS ACTUAL EXPENDITURE IS HERE. 
          AND OUR FORECAST FOR FISCAL 26 IS THAT WE'LL SPEND WHAT, 75% OF THE TOTAL, UH, BUDGETED FUNDS. 
          AND THAT'S BEEN, THERE'S BEEN A GAP LIKE THAT FOR A WHILE, BUT IT HAS BEEN WIDENING. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE FELT ZERO BASED BUDGETING WAS APPROPRIATE TO LOOK AT AT THIS TIME. 
          SO BUDGET TO ACTUALS WITH CIP AND OPERATIONS, THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT PART OF REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE EXECUTION RATE, IS THAT OUR EXECUTION RATE IN OPERATIONS FOR FISCAL 25 WAS ACTUALLY ALMOST 90%. 
          UM, IN CIP IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT WE WERE LEAVING ON THE TABLE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE PROJECTS DO GET DELAYED. 
          WE HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAPPEN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT DRIVE THAT. 
          BUT THIS, LOOKING AT THIS REALLY HELPED US LOOK AT CIP AND SAY, WHAT IS A MORE REALISTIC AMOUNT THAT WE CAN SPEND IN A YEAR? SO MOVING INTO ZERO BASED BUDGETING, LIKE WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN WE HAVE THIS LOW EXECUTION RATE? AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ARE WE OVER BUDGETING? AREN'T, DO WE HAVE CONTINGENCIES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS CONTINGENCIES? AND ARE WE CREATING SORT OF BUILT IN CONTINGENCIES WITHIN OPERATING DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE OF OUR INABILITY TO AMEND THE BUDGET IN THE YEAR? AND I THINK WE FOUND THAT IN SOME CASES, YES, BUT NOT IN A DELIBERATE LIKE, OH, I NEED MORE MONEY, BUT IN A SENSE OF JUST IN CASE. 
          BUT IF WE'RE THINKING JUST IN CASE AS A HOLISTICALLY AS A CITY, WE SHOULD BE CREATING CONTINGENCY AMOUNTS THAT COULD BE SPENT IF WE COME TO COUNCIL, BUT NOT NECESSARILY JUST HAVING HIGHER LEVELS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENTS, BECAUSE THEN OUR EXECUTION RATE IS LOWER. 
          SO OUR GOAL FOR ZBB WAS TO INCREASE THAT EXECUTION RATE NEXT YEAR. 
          AND 
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I REALLY HOPE WE, WE WILL SEE THAT. 
          I THINK THAT WE WILL, AND WE ASKED, IS EVERYTHING IN PLACE TO SPEND BUDGETED FUNDS? IF WE'RE PUTTING A CIP PROJECT IN NEXT YEAR, AND WE SAY WE'RE GONNA SPEND THIS MUCH, IS IT READY TO BE SPENT? OR DO WE HAVE MONTHS BEFORE WE CAN GET TO IT? AND WE'RE BEING OVERLY AMBITIOUS. 
          UM, IS THERE STAFF CAPACITY TO SPEND THE BUDGETED FUNDS? ARE WE BEING REALISTIC ABOUT OPERATING BUDGETS AND CIP AND REALLY, OR ARE WE BEING AMBITIOUS IN A WAY THAT IS INFLATING OUR BUDGET UNINTENTIONALLY? UM, SO OUR, THE LOWER BUDGETS, AND YOU'LL SEE INCREASES AND DECREASES OF COURSE, BUT THEY ARE ALIGNING WITH REALLY SPENDING TRENDS AND PLANS. 
          SO OUR BUDGET DEVELOPMENT OVERVIEW, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW HOW, OH, GO AHEAD PLEASE. 
          BRIAN HAS A COMMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE SEVEN PLEASE? SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, I'M, I WANNA PUT THIS INTO CONTEXT FOR THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE OFTENTIMES HEAR, OH MY GOSH, BUDGETS HAVE EXPLODED OVER RECENT YEARS, STAFFING AS WELL, AND SO ON. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT SLIDE SEVEN, TO ME, THE, THE INTERPRETATION OF WHAT'S GOING ON IS THAT YOU'VE GOT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SB 1350 HAPPENING IN FY 17. 
          SO NOW YOU'RE STARTING A SLOW GROWTH OF SHORT TERM RENTALS, INCREASING OUR LODGING. 
          THEN YOU HAVE, UH, IN LATE FISCAL 20 COVID, I, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE TRUE EXPLOSION OF TOURISM SPENDING AND ALL OF A SUDDEN REVENUES COMING INTO THE CITY ARE DRAMATICALLY HIGHER THAN THEY USED TO BE. 
          AND SO, WHILE WE'RE SPENDING MORE, IT'S NOT THAT IT'S MONEY WE DON'T HAVE PER SE. 
          RIGHT? UM, AND I KNOW FOR MY COLLEAGUES IT'S PROBABLY JUST SEEMS LIKE, OH, YEAH, THAT'S OBVIOUS. 
          BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY WHERE AGAIN, WE HEAR OFTENTIMES, OH MY GOSH, YOU'RE SPENDING SO MUCH, THERE'S, THERE'S GOOD REASON BEHIND IT. 
          AND IT'S NOT THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE SO HIGHLY REGULATED IN THAT SENSE THAT, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE DO HAVE THIS SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN SPENDING, IT'S ALL DONE STILL VERY, UH, CONSERVATIVELY FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT WE HAVE THE FUNDS TO SPEND. 
          I THINK WE'VE ALSO GOTTEN BETTER AT, AT GRANT WRITING AND, AND GETTING GRANTS. 
          AND THAT I THINK PROBABLY IS A MEANINGFUL INCREASE IN OUR REVENUE AS WELL. 
          BUT, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING I'M MISSING IN MY INTERPRETATION WHEN I LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'VE HAD THIS SIGNIFICANT UPTICK IN, UM, IN BUDGETING OVER THE LAST SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS? I THINK THAT'S VERY MUCH CORRECT. 
          I THINK ONE THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT WITH THE UPTICK IN TOURISM, THERE'S A GREATER IMPACT ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES MM-HMM . 
          SO WE HAVE TO BUDGET MORE TO COVER THOSE ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE SIDEWALKS AND OUR STREETS ARE MAINTAINED, AND THOSE THINGS THAT WERE WE JUST A COMMUNITY OF ABOUT 10,000, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY ON STREET MAINTENANCE EVERY YEAR THAT WE DO BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE CONSTANT TRAFFIC. 
          AND SO THERE ARE A, A LOT OF DRIVERS, UM, SORT OF CAUSED BY TOURISM. 
          AND I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A BAD WAY, I JUST MEAN LIKE THERE'S SORT OF THE EFFECT OF TOURISM ON THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S THE IMPACT ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE ADDITIONAL SERVICES AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT TRASH CANS ARE EMPTIED BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING FULL MORE OFTEN. 
          I MEAN, REALLY BASIC THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO, BUT WHEN YOU DON'T CONSIDER HOW MUCH THAT'S GROWN OVER TIME, IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE MM-HMM . 
          HOW MUCH WE SPENT. 
          AND, AND FOR MY COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT WE'VE HEARD, LIKE WE'VE SPENT SIGNIFICANT MONEY TO GET A MORE ACCURATE ASSESSMENT OF HOW MANY VISITORS WE HAVE ANNUALLY. 
          AND WHEN WE DID THAT, THE, THE, THE FINAL ANSWER WAS, OKAY, WELL THIS NUMBER DOESN'T REALLY LOOK ALTOGETHER DIFFERENT THAN A NUMBER THAT HAS PREVIOUSLY EXISTED. 
          WHICH WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN THAT BE, YOU KNOW, TO ME IT SEEMS THAT THE EARLIER ESTIMATES WERE PROBABLY GREATLY OVERESTIMATED BECAUSE SURELY THERE HAS BEEN GROWTH LIKE THIS INCREASE IN REVENUE OR BUDGETING, WHICH CORRELATES WITH THE REVENUES THAT WE'VE TAKEN IN THROUGH SALES AND BED TAX. 
          I MEAN, SURE, SOME OF IT IS ADRS HAVE INCREASED DRAMATICALLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK THAT THOSE OLD ESTIMATES OF THE NUMBER OF VISITORS WAS 
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PROBABLY WRONG, AND IT WAS PROBABLY OVERSTATING COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE GOOD WORK WE'VE DONE TO GET IT AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE OF ESTIMATES NOW. 
          SO JUST SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S ROLLING AROUND IN MY HEAD. 
          THE, THE LAST THING, UH, BARBARA, THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN ZERO BASED BUDGETING, AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE DONE IT, AND YOU'VE KINDA HEARD ME, UH, VIA SOME, UH, EMAIL QUESTIONING OF, YOU KNOW, OKAY, GOTTA MAKE IT REAL. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT TODAY'S THE DAY, MAYBE IT'S NEXT WEEK, BUT I HOPE THAT AT LEAST FOR ONE DEPARTMENT, WE CAN BE ILLUSTRATIVELY UH, DETAILED IN REALLY MAKING IT REAL FOR US AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY IN WHAT IT REALLY DID MEAN TO DO ZERO BASED BUDGETING. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, WE DO HAVE, UM, EXAMPLES IN NEXT WEEK'S PRESENTATION THAT SHOW LIKE LINE ITEMS WITHIN SOME DEPARTMENTS AND EXACTLY HOW THEY JUSTIFIED EVERYTHING THAT ADDED UP OKAY. 
          TO THE AMOUNT OF THE BUDGET. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S WHERE THE RUBBER HITS THE ROOF. 
          YEP, EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? GO AHEAD, BARBARA. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO BUDGET DEVELOPMENT OVERVIEW. 
          WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          I DON'T NEED TO READ THE SLIDE TO YOU. 
          SO OUR OPERATING BUDGET, THE PRESENTATION TODAY, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT FROM THE BUILDING BLOCKS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, REQUIRED FUNCTIONS OF GOVERNMENT AND OTHER FUNCTIONS SORT OF IN THAT CONTEXT OF HOME RULE. 
          UM, WE'LL THEN LOOK AT, UM, SOME PROGRAMMATIC INFORMATION AND DEMONSTRATE THE IMPACT OF ZBB ON SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS AND THEN DEPARTMENTS, UM, AND COSTING THERE. 
          SO HERE'S THE TOTAL, UH, PROPOSED BUDGET VERSUS 2026. 
          UM, AND THIS IS JUST BY LIKE CATEGORY BASIC CATEGORIES AND WE'LL GET MUCH MORE, UH, DETAILED THAN THIS. 
          SO WE DO HAVE A DECREASE OVERALL FROM, YOU KNOW, THE 2026 AT 103.3 TO OUR BASE OF 92.2. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE DECISION PACKAGES, OF COURSE, UM, WHICH IF, IF THEY WERE ALL APPROVED, WOULD BRING US UP TO 94.6 MILLION. 
          AND THIS IS A, THIS IS A SLIDE THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE FOR YOU BEFORE IN THIS FORM, BUT WE WANTED TO REALLY EMPHASIZE LIKE, WHERE DOES THE REVENUE COME FROM? WHERE ARE WE SPENDING IT, AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND WE'RE STARTING, UM, WE'LL BE STARTING FISCAL 27, WE ANTICIPATE WITH ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION IN FUND BALANCE ACROSS THE CITY. 
          THEN WE HAVE OUR POLICY RESERVES OF ABOUT 61 MILLION, AND THOSE ARE LIKE OUR, UH, EQUIPMENT RESERVES, THE OPERATING RESERVES, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE UNDER OUR RESERVE POLICY. 
          SO THAT LEAVES US WITH 38.7 MILLION IN UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE, BASICALLY SAVINGS, RIGHT. 
          AND THEN REVENUE, WE ANTICIPATE COMING IN AT ABOUT 68.5 MILLION AND OUR BASE OPERATING EXPENDITURES AT ABOUT 58.4. 
          SO THEN THAT LEAVES US WITH ABOUT $10 MILLION OF A SURPLUS BETWEEN OPERATING REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES. 
          AND UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE INCREASES TO ABOUT 48.8. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          BARBARA, ON, ON YOUR, UM, PROJECTED REVENUES, IS THAT A FLAT OR ARE YOU SHOWING WE ARE HOLDING FLAT EVERYTHING UNLESS WE KNOW SOMETHING THAT SPECIFICALLY IS DRIVING AN INCREASE, LIKE WE HAVE A GRANT COMING IN, OR WE KNOW THAT PARTICULAR PERMITS AND PLANNING THINGS ARE GOING TO HIT FROM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          THOSE ARE THE ONLY INCREASES WE DID. 
          WE KEPT SALES TAX AND BED TAX FLAT AGAIN. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BARBARA, CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW WE, WE HAVE A 10 YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, PLAN? YES. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW WE BUDGET FOR THOSE 10 YEARS? WE BUDGET THEM, WE DON'T BUDGET. 
          I GUESS I SHOULD START WITH, THERE'S TWO WAYS TO BUDGET CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          YOU CAN EITHER BUDGET WHERE YOU HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT THAT SAY IT'S $5 MILLION AND YOU KNOW IT'S GONNA TAKE THREE YEARS, YOU BUDGET IT ALL IN YEAR ONE, AND THEN YOU JUST CARRY OVER THE DIFFERENCE EACH YEAR. 
          OR YOU BUDGET THE AMOUNT THAT YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND OF THAT 5 MILLION EACH YEAR. 
          EITHER WAY IS FINE. 
          WE DO THE LATTER, THE BUDGET, WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GONNA SPEND, BECAUSE WHEN WE BUDGET THE FULL AMOUNT IN THE FIRST YEAR, IT LOOKS LIKE THE BUDGET ISN'T, IS REALLY KIND OF CRAZY HUGE. 
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UM, I THINK IT IS A LITTLE EASIER TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU BUDGET ALL AT ONCE AND CARRY FORWARD, BUT IT IS, IT IS A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING AS FAR AS THE EDUCATION AND HAVING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY GONNA SPEND ALL OF THIS RIGHT NOW. 
          THIS IS THIS PROJECT AND IT HAS A LIFETIME BUDGET THAT SHOULD GO OVER THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, SO WE BUDGET IT AS, WE HAVE A $5 MILLION PROJECT, WE THINK A MILLION AND A HALF THIS YEAR, SO WE'LL BUDGET THAT. 
          THEN THE NEXT YEAR WE BUDGET THAT. 
          UM, IT'S NEVER EXACT BECAUSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AREN'T AN EXACT SCIENCE, BUT THAT'S HOW WE DO IT. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE LIABILITY OF A PROJECT THAT'S GONNA TAKE THREE OR FOUR YEARS? HOW IS THAT DEALT WITH? SO YOU ENTER INTO A CONTRACT, IT'S A MULTI-YEAR CONTRACT THAT'S BUDGET EVERY YEAR. 
          SO IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND 5 MILLION THE FIRST YEAR, LET'S SAY IT'S A 50 MILLION PRODUCT, THE 40 MILLION, WHERE DOES THAT SIT? THE REMAINDER OF THAT CAPITAL THAT'S NOT GONNA BE SPENT IN THAT YEAR. 
          HOW MANY OF THOSE 10 YEARS DO WE HOLD AS A LIABILITY? IN OTHER WORDS, WE DON'T EXACTLY HOLD THEM AS A LIABILITY, BUT WE HAVE CAPITAL RESERVES THAT ARE EQUIVALENT TO LIKE THE NEXT YEAR. 
          AND WE ALWAYS HAVE THOSE AND WE KEEP TRACK OF WHAT PROJECTS ARE WHERE AND HOW MUCH MONEY SORT OF REMAINS TO BE SPENT, UM, OVER TIME. 
          SO IT'S BASICALLY AN ADDITIONAL YEAR, AN ADDITIONAL YEAR. 
          PETE. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR BARBARA, WE JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP ON WHERE YOU WERE ABOUT THE TWO DIFFERENT METHODS. 
          STICK IT ALL UP ON YEAR ONE OR SPREAD IT OUT OVER YEAR, THE SUBSEQUENT YEARS. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. 
          BUT WE'VE ALSO, AS YOU'VE TOLD US BEFORE, OVERESTIMATE EVEN THAT WAY. 
          WE, WE STILL PROGRAM IN TOO MUCH EARLY. 
          AND SO IS WHAT YOU'RE, IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME WHAT I'M HEARING THAT IS GOING FORWARD, PERHAPS THAT OUT YEAR STRATEGY IS EVEN GONNA BE FURTHER OUT OR BECAUSE WE'RE, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING MORE REALISTIC ABOUT HOW MUCH WE CAN SPEND AT ANY GIVEN YEAR. 
          YES. 
          I THINK, UM, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE WE HAD A SOFTWARE THAT ONLY LET US DO THREE YEARS, IF YOU RECALL MM-HMM . 
          YOU KNOW, NOW WE HAVE A SOFTWARE THAT LETS US DO A LOT MORE THAN THAT, WHICH IS FANTASTIC, BUT WE HAVE TO AS LIKE COLLECTIVELY AS STAFF GET USED TO SAYING YEAR FIVE, YEAR SIX, YEAR SEVEN, YEAR 10 RATHER THAN YEAR 1, 2, 3, AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          AND THAT'S A REALLY HARD SORT OF OPERATIONAL CHANGE BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE, BUT IS MY, IS THIS PROJECT GONNA HAPPEN IF I'M PROGRAMMING IT IN YEAR EIGHT? AND I THINK WE'RE GETTING THERE WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO, TO HAVE SORT OF BUY-IN, IF YOU WILL, THAT PROGRAMMING FOR 10 YEARS DOES NOT MEAN PROJECTS PAST YEAR THREE AREN'T GONNA HAPPEN. 
          IT MEANS WE'RE TRYING TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT STAFF CAPACITY, COMMUNITY CAPACITY, WHICH IS ALSO INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. 
          AND ALL THOSE DRIVERS OF WHEN WE SPEND THE MONEY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BRIAN. 
          TAGGING ON THOUGH. 
          SO, BUT OUR POLICY REGARDING CIP IS TO BE FUNDED THREE YEARS OUT, CORRECT? I BELIEVE IT'S, WE KEEP IN RESERVE ONE YEAR. 
          ONE YEAR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT OUR, UH, OUR RESERVES ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          CAN I, ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. 
          MAY I PROCEED PLEASE? MAYOR, GO AHEAD. 
          MAYOR. 
          OH, ANNETTE. 
          HI. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS SLIDE, UM, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT I HAD ASKED THE TEAM, CAN WE PLEASE CREATE THIS PRESENTATION IN THIS WAY? BECAUSE IN THE FIRST COLUMN ON THE LEFT, KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE, I WANTED TO DEMONSTRATE FOR YOU IN THE PUBLIC THAT IF WE WERE JUST PAY AS YOU GO AND HAD NO SAVINGS FROM PRIOR YEARS, WHAT COULD WE ACTUALLY DO? AND SO FOR, BECAUSE THAT'S USUALLY HOW MOST CITIES ARE. 
          UM, SO IF WE ONLY USE THE PROJECTED REVENUES FOR THAT YEAR TO PAY FOR THAT YEAR'S EXPENSES, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS SHOWING YOU IS THAT IF WE HAVE THAT CONSERVATIVE PROJECTION, OUR REVENUES ARE 68.5 MILLION, OUR ESTIMATE FOR JUST MAINTAINING OUR BASIC SERVICE LEVEL IS THE 58. 
          THAT MEANS WE HAVE $10 MILLION LEFT OVER TO APPLY TO ONE-TIME THINGS LIKE CAPITAL. 
          BUT AS YOU'LL SEE, OUR 
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CAPITAL, UM, NEEDS FOR THAT YEAR OR HIGHER. 
          AND SO THE COUNCIL HAS THAT ABILITY TO DECIDE, DO WE WANNA SPEND MORE THAN OUR CURRENT YEAR REVENUES TO COVER THOSE CAPITAL EXPENSES BY USING SOME OF THE SAVINGS WE'VE ACCUMULATED OVER TIME FROM PAST BUDGETS? SO THAT'S JUST THE WAY WE TRIED TO SHOW IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY FOR YOU THIS YEAR. 
          UM, AS FAR AS LIKE HOW WE FINANCE CAPITAL IN A PAY AS YOU GO MANNER INSTEAD OF TAKING ON DEBT, IS THAT HELPS? YEAH. 
          AND THAT, THANK, THANK YOU FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL WORDS. 
          AND I AM INTRIGUED BY THIS AND TRYING TO DIGEST IT. 
          WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GO BACK A COUPLE BUDGET CYCLES AND KIND OF DO THAT? HOW DIFFICULT WOULD IT BE TO PRODUCE THIS INFORMATION THAT SAME FORMAT BACK A COUPLE SO I CAN UNDERSTAND TRENDS? ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT WE WOULD PROBABLY USE ACTUAL INSTEAD OF BUDGET TO SHOW HERE'S WHERE WE STARTED AND HERE'S, AND HERE'S WHAT WE USED IN SAVINGS, HERE'S WHAT WE PUT INTO SAVINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THEN THE MIDDLE COLUMN IS, UM, THE DECISION PACKAGES AND PROPOSED CAPITAL. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED BEYOND BASIC OPERATIONS, UM, WHICH IS $36 MILLION, WHICH IS THE TOTAL CAPITAL REQUEST, PLUS THE DECISION PACKAGES. 
          AND THEN THE RIGHT SIDE COLUMN IS JUST WALKING YOU THROUGH THE MATH AGAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT ARE OUR AVAILABLE RESOURCES IF WE ADOPT ALL OF THAT IN HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD WE HAVE LEFT, UM, TOWARDS OUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT, BASICALLY AFTER ALL OF THAT. 
          SO JUST BIG PICTURE. 
          SURE. 
          TWO, TWO QUESTIONS. 
          JUST ONE, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS GENERAL FUND ONLY OR THIS IS ALL FUNDS? THIS IS ALL FUNDS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND SECONDLY, WHERE IS, AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S A DECISION PACKAGE, THE, UM, THE MERIT PAY, WHERE IS THAT SHOWING UP? UM, THAT'S IN THE, UH, THE BUDGET ASSUMPTIONS FOR THE BASIC EXPENDITURES. 
          SO THAT'S BUILT INTO THE 58 IN THE BASE OPERATING EXPENDITURES, LEFT COLUMN, KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SHEET. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I I WOULD SAY SUGGEST THAT INCLUDES PERSONNEL DECISION PACKAGE,  SPENDING A MILLION DOLLARS ON MERIT PAYS. 
          IS THAT IS A DECISION? I MEAN, IT'S NOT A, JUST AN ASSUMPTION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE, THE, UM, BASE BUDGET INCLUDES THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE RETREAT AND THE DIRECTION THAT WAS GIVEN. 
          AND WE HAD, EXCUSE MY TERRIBLE VOCAL CORDS TODAY. 
          UM, SO AT THE RETREAT WE HAD ASKED ABOUT AN ASSUMPTION RELATED TO, UM, SALARY INCREASES FOR MERIT OF THE 5%. 
          SO WE BUILT THAT IN, OF COURSE, AGAIN, THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN DISCUSS. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN AN ACROSS THE BOARD 5% INCREASE. 
          OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT IT'S CALCULATED ON THE YES, BRIAN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO BARBARA, I LIKE, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE CHART AND I JUST THINK IT'S WORTH DRIVING HOME WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT COLUMN. 
          THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE SAVINGS IS NOT A BAD THING, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU COULD LOOK AT THIS AND GO, WELL, WE HAD 38.7 AND WE'RE GONNA END AT 12.6. 
          OH MY GOSH. 
          BUT I MEAN, THOSE ARE MONIES THAT ARE IN EXCESS OF OUR POLICY RESERVES INTENDED FOR THINGS LIKE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE'VE SAVED FOR ESSENTIALLY, RIGHT? THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          UM, THAT OVER TIME AS OUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT, IF YOU WILL, BUILDS UP, WE HAVE THESE AVAILABLE FUNDS AND IN A CITY THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE ROBUST RESERVES AND SAVINGS THAT WE DO, THIS KIND OF THING, LIKE THE 33 MILLION IN CAPITAL WOULD PROBABLY BE BONDED AND SPREAD OUT OVER TIME. 
          WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE IN THAT WE CAN CASH FUND, UH, A LOT OF THESE THINGS. 
          I MEAN, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN BONDING IS THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO. 
          SURE. 
          BUT WE HAVE SAVINGS THAT ALLOWS US TO DO A LOT OF THINGS WITHOUT USING BONDS. 
          AND BARBARA, THE, THE HOUSING FUND, WHERE, WHERE'S THAT 19 ISH MILLION? WHERE'S THAT SIT IN HERE? THAT'S ONE OF THE, IS THAT A POLICY RESERVE RESERVE? UH, NO, THAT WOULD STILL BE INCLUDED IN THE YEAH. 
          THE POLICY RESERVE. 
          YEAH, IT'S IN THE POLICY RESERVE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK 
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YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          YEAH, I, I THINK IT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT, VICE MAYOR. 
          I THINK, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT 61 MILLION PLUS IN RESERVES. 
          SO IT'S NOT REALLY THAT IT'S ONLY 12 MILLION LEFT. 
          I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          IT'S 73. 
          IT IS, IT'S $73 MILLION LEFT. 
          YES, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. 
          THAT THE POLICY RESERVES, WE DON'T TOUCH THOSE UNLESS ONE OF THOSE POLICIES IS TRIGGERED. 
          RIGHT? LIKE AN EMERGENCY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, THE OTHER RESERVES ARE BASICALLY THE ONES THAT ARE LIKE, OH, HEY, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I HAD THIS WINDFALL, IF YOU WILL. 
          IT'S THE SAVINGS THAT WE'VE SET ASIDE OVER TIME TO SAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S DO THESE THINGS WITH CASH FUNDING, BUT THOSE POLICY RESERVES AREN'T TOUCHED. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SHALL I GO? OKAY. 
          AND THIS IS IN PAGE FOUR TO FIVE, AND I'M GONNA PULL THIS UP SO THAT IT'S NOT SO DESPERATELY HARD TO SEE. 
          I THOUGHT I HAD IT OPEN, BUT I GUESS I RECOMMEND Y'ALL LOOK IN YOUR BINDER. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU CAN'T READ IT ON SCREEN WHERE SECTION EIGHT IS THIS BUDGET SECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          OVERVIEW AND THEN NEXT PAGE FOUR OF THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS BASICALLY OUR, UH, WHAT FUNCTIONS ARE FUNDED UNDER THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, WHETHER IT'S REQUIRED GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS OR OTHER GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRED. 
          AND I'M GONNA LET STERLING SPEAK TO THIS BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE IT. 
          IS THAT THE SAME WORDING AND CONSISTENCY BETWEEN WHAT'S IN THE A CFR IS WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT OTHER GOVERNMENT, UM, NOT THE SAME. 
          THIS IS MORE THE LEGALLY REQUIRED FUNCTIONS VERSUS OTHER, LIKE BY THE STATE. 
          GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCILOR. 
          UM, SO IF WE TAKE A LOOK, IT'D BE IN THE BOTTOM PAGE, UH, CALLED REQUIRED GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS. 
          SO TO START OUT, UH, WHAT IS REQUIRED IF HOME RULE ISN'T PASSED IS WE HAVE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN WE HAVE CITY ADMINISTRATION, WHICH INCLUDES THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, PUBLIC WORK FACILITIES IN THE MUNICIPAL COURT. 
          THEN WE HAVE, NEXT AMOUNT WOULD BE OUR STREETS, WHICH WOULD BE PUBLIC WORK STORM CLEANUP IN THE STREETS PROGRAM. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE OUR WASTEWATER ADMINISTRATION CAPITAL PROJECTS PROGRAM, THE PLAN OPERATIONS COLLECTION SYSTEM AND LABORATORY. 
          WE DID INCLUDE THE BONDED DEBT AS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID. 
          SO THIS IS, UH, A SUBSECTION OF OUR GENERAL SERVICES BUDGET. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, UM, I'M SORRY, NOT LESLIE IS OUR PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          SO THIS IS GONNA INCLUDE OUR POLICE, ADMINISTRATION, PATROL, INVESTIGATIONS, AND ALL OTHER SUPPORT FUNCTIONS. 
          AND THEN WE DID INCLUDE, BECAUSE THESE ARE KIND OF REQUIRED FUNCTIONS, WE DID INCLUDE THE WASTEWATER CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          SO WE SEPARATED OUT ALL OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND YOU CAN SEE BY NAME, UM, THE PROJECTS THAT ROXANNE AND WASTEWATER HAVE PLANNED FOR, UH, FY 27. 
          AND IF I COULD PLEASE MAKE A QUICK CLARIFICATION, UM, SO THAT THERE'S NOT CONFUSION IN THE PUBLIC, UM, WE BROKE OUT BECAUSE WE WERE DOING ZERO BASED BUDGETING THAT ALLOWS US TO CREATE THESE BUILDING BLOCKS AND ACTUALLY ASSIGN THEM TO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND THINGS. 
          WE WENT THROUGH THE EXERCISE TO SPLIT THE BUDGET BETWEEN THESE REQUIRED AND NOT REQUIRED FUNCTIONS, UM, BECAUSE THAT DOES TIE INTO HOME RULE, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE HOME RULE ELECTION APPLIES TO THIS BUDGET. 
          SO WHATEVER HAPPENS IN THE ELECTION IN JULY IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT THIS BUDGET. 
          SO THIS IS JUST ILLUSTRATIVE ONLY TO HELP DIFFERENTIATE WHAT SERVICES FALL INTO WHICH BUCKET. 
          BUT THAT ELECTION OUTCOME DOES NOT IMPACT THIS BUDGET. 
          IT WOULD IMPACT THE FY 28 BUDGET. 
          SO WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT BECAUSE WE FRAMED FOR YOU HOW THESE THINGS SPLIT UP, THAT THIS IS THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOULD AFFECT THIS, THIS THE FY 27. 
          OKAY. 
          HOPEFULLY I DIDN'T CONFUSE IT MORE BY SAYING THAT, BUT  NO, I WANTED TO ASK, AND I FIND THIS CATEGORIZATION INTRIGUING AND I'M GLAD, GLAD TO SEE IT. 
          AND THOSE WERE GOOD NOTES THAT YOU JUST MADE. 
          I WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION THOUGH. 
          UM, I WISH I COULD FIND A, NOT A NEUTRAL WAY TO SAY IT, BUT I WISH I HAD MORE TIME TO THINK ABOUT FOR ASK THE QUESTION, BUT I WANTED TO ASK THAT SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE DO IN THIS REQUIRED GOVERNMENT FUND PROJECTS 
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ARE, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST MAYBE STILL, DO YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GOTTA HAVE AND THEN THE NICE TO HAVE, EVEN IF IT'S A NICE TO HAVE PROJECT, IS IT STILL IN THIS LIST? NO, UH, NO. 
          THESE WOULD BE TRULY REQUIRED. 
          UM, THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO, LIKE IF WE HAVE TO REPLACE SOMETHING AT WASTEWATER BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PROVIDE WASTEWATER TREATMENT, UM, THEIR, THEIR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE EVERY IS, AND THAT'S WITHOUT PICKING ON ROXANNE. 
          AND I TRIED NOT TO DO THAT, BUT I GOTTA GO THERE. 
          AND ANNE, IS EVERYTHING IN THE WASTEWATER? CIP IN THIS, I BELIEVE, YES. 
          I THINK THAT'S, WE JUST SORT OF CLASSIFY EVERYTHING THAT WE DO THERE. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE SELF WELL, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU KNOW, TO BE FAIR, WE COULD PROBABLY DEFER SOME AND, AND DO THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ALWAYS GIVES ME LIKE, ME TOO . 
          YEAH, IT'S JUST NUTS AND AN UNFORTUNATE THING. 
          BUT IT DOES, I MEAN, IT DOES HAPPEN AND WE HAVE TO DEFER THINGS SOMETIMES FOR VARIOUS REASONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE OTHERS? YEAH, SO THIS WOULD BE OTHER, UH, GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS NOT REQUIRED. 
          UM, SO JUST AGAIN, STARTING AT THE TOP OF THE LIST, WE BROKE OUT FROM POLICE, THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, UH, OUR DEBT PAYMENTS, THIS IS GONNA BE LEASE PAYMENTS, XEROX COPIER, YOU KNOW, JUST SMALLER LEASE PAYMENTS THAT THE CITY MAKES, WHICH HAS DECREASED SINCE THE CITY IS NO LONGER USING ENTERPRISE AS OUR, AS OUR VEHICLE LEASE AGREEMENT PROVIDER. 
          UM, WE HAVE THE HOUSING PROGRAM AND THEN WE BROKE OUT, UH, WASTEWATER. 
          SO THIS IS GONNA BE WASTEWATER BILLING, UM, IT SUPPORT FOR WASTEWATER, UH, CITY ATTORNEY SUPPORT, PUBLIC WORKS, ENGINEERING, AND THEN CAPITAL SERVICES. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE SUSTAINABILITY, THE NEXT PARKS, OUR TOURISM MANAGEMENT TOURISM PROGRAM, OUR PUBLIC WORKS. 
          SO THIS WILL BE SEPARATE FROM OUR STREETS AND REQUIRED FUNCTIONS. 
          THIS IS GONNA BE ENGINEERING AND TRANSPORTATION SERVICES, OUR IT PROGRAM, UH, CULTURE AND RECREATION. 
          SO THIS IS GONNA INCLUDE OUR ARTS PROGRAM, PARKS, SPECIAL EVENTS. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC TRANSIT PROGRAM. 
          THIS IS COMPREHENSIVE OF THE ENTIRE PUBLIC TRANSIT PROGRAM, INCLUDING THE VERDE SHUTTLE CONTRACT. 
          AND WE HAVE OUR 5 MILLION OF CONTINGENCIES. 
          THEN OUR ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS. 
          THIS IS GONNA BE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, HUMAN RESOURCES FINANCE, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTAL MONITOR MONITORING. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, WE BUNCHED TOGETHER ALL OF OUR, I I DON'T, DON'T WANNA SAY THIS IS NON-ESSENTIAL, BUT, UM, CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT WASTEWATER FACILITY. 
          AND SO, GO AHEAD, KATHY. 
          UM, GO AHEAD FIRST. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          I, I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT, THAT I INDICATED THAT I'M REALLY INTRIGUED BY THIS SET OF CHARTS AND I THINK IT'S REALLY GREAT. 
          AND WHAT PLAYS IN MY MIND HERE IS KIND OF, IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE GO BACKWARDS, BUT PROJECTING FORWARD TO HAVE A FEW YEARS OF THIS DATA, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT TURNS INTO A ANIMATION, A REALLY POWERFUL VISUAL ANIMATION ABOUT HOW THESE THINGS CHANGE OVER TIME. 
          A REALLY INTERESTING WAY TO COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT HOW THE BUDGET IS CHANGING. 
          THE WHOLE HEIGHT OF THE CHART GETS BIGGER AND THE DIFFERENT THINGS GET BIGGER. 
          AND IT IS JUST, I'M, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS. 
          WHEN YOU GET YOUR GEEK ON , UM, I WANNA GO BACK TO GET HIM SOME WATER. 
          QUICK , I WANNA GO BACK TO A DISTINCTION THAT ANNETTE, YOU MADE BEFORE, UM, THAT THIS IS NOT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, UH, IN THE NEXT YEAR'S, UH, IF HOME RULE THIS IS, THIS STAYS THE SAME, DEPENDING PURPOSE, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS WITH HOME RULE. 
          HOWEVER, I WANNA ASK YOU, BUT THESE ARE THE EXAMPLES OF THE, IN THE CATEGORIES, TAKE THE NUMBERS OUT. 
          BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THEN IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR, WITHOUT HOME RULE AND WITHOUT AN OVERRIDE, THAT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD BE LOST. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? CATEGORY WISE? I WOULD SAY I CAN'T, HOW I WOULD ADVISE THE COUNCIL IS THAT WHEN WE KNOW THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION, WE WOULD HAVE THIS AS OUR STARTING POINT FOR DIALOGUE WITH YOU ON GOING THROUGH THIS IN DETAIL AND IDENTIFYING WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH ANY OF THESE PARTICULAR THINGS. 
          WE WOULD PROBABLY DO ANOTHER ROUND OF REFINEMENT, DIGGING DEEPER INTO WHAT'S REQUIRED OR NOT REQUIRED, AND WORK WITH YOU ON PRIORITIZING. 
          UM, I WOULD NOT SAY THAT THIS IS EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, BUT THESE CATEGORIES, THESE SERVICE TYPES, THESE FUNCTIONS, YES. 
          BUT HOW MUCH OF IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IS A, WOULD BE A VERY IN DEPTH PROCESS WORKING WITH 
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THE COUNCIL, IF THAT HELPS. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET ME GO BACK. 
          HERE WE GO. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS ON PAGE PRESENTATION MODE. 
          OH, PRESENTATION MODE. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, DETAILS. 
          UM, THIS IS ON, OH, WHEN IT WENT BACK TO THE BEGINNING. 
          THAT'S AWESOME. 
          YOU WANT SLIDE 15? THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY, SO THIS SLIDE IS REALLY BUSY, AND I'M SORRY, IT'S ON PAGE SIX OF YOUR BUDGET MEMO IN THE, IN THE, UH, BIG BOOK. 
          AND I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT ON PAGE SIX, THIS ACTUALLY SAYS IN MILLIONS WE DON'T HAVE, AND THANK YOU ED KELLER FOR POINTING OUT THIS ABSURD TYPO. 
          WE DON'T HAVE LIKE SIX $75 BILLION. 
          LIKE THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE LOVELY, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          YET, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IN MY LIFETIME, BUT YOU KNOW, TO, TO BE FAIR, SO THIS REALLY GOES INTO EACH OF THE, YOU KNOW, REVENUES BY FUND AND THEN EXPENDITURES BY FUND AND THE, AND THE FUND BALANCES. 
          UM, IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN ONE PLACE, AND WE WILL ON THE 22ND LOOK AT EACH OF THESE FUNDS INDIVIDUALLY. 
          UM, BUT WE FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE BIG PICTURE HERE. 
          NOW, MAY I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT A PARTICULAR NUMBER RIGHT NOW? YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, UNDER HOUSING FUND, UNDER THE REVENUE SIDE, THERE'S A CONTINGENCY OF 2 MILLION. 
          WHAT DOES THAT REPRESENT? UM, THAT CONTINGENCY'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR TWO YEARS, I BELIEVE. 
          AND IT WAS FOR LAND ACQUISITION IN CASE, UH, LAND WAS IDENTIFIED AND COUNCIL WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD TO PURCHASE LAND. 
          UM, IT OBVIOUSLY IS UP TO YOU YEAR TO YEAR IF YOU WANNA KEEP THAT CONTINGENCY AVAILABLE. 
          UM, OR IF YOU WANNA SAY NO, WE COULD PROBABLY FUND THE MONEY IN MONEY THAT WE DON'T SPEND IN OTHER THINGS. 
          UM, TOTALLY UP TO YOU. 
          SO 2 MILLION WOULD BE LAND AND THEN UNDER EX, UH, OPERATING WELL UNDER THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, RIGHT UNDER THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, UH, THE RESERVE FOR HOUSING INITIATIVES 17.1 MILLION. 
          SO THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          THE 17 IS ONE OF THE RESERVES, ONE OF THE POLICY RESERVES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT HAS A, A FEW COMPONENTS TO IT, BUT IT, THAT'S THE TOTAL THAT'S RESERVED IN THAT FUND. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OF COURSE. 
          SO HERE ARE THE OPERATING COSTS BY FUND, UM, FISCAL YEAR 26 TO 27, AND THE INCREASE AND DECREASE BY FUND. 
          UM, IT'S, THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT ARE JUST DIFFERENT WAYS OF SLICING AND DICING THIS BUDGET. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IF I GO TOO FAST, JUST STOP ME, BUT I, I JUST WANT TO, WE WANTED TO HAVE YOU HAVE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION. 
          UM, AND THEN THESE ARE BY CATEGORY ACROSS THE CITY, WHETHER THINGS WENT UP OR DOWN. 
          UM, AND THEN AT THE TOP, OF COURSE IS 26, AND AT THE BOTTOM IS 27. 
          PERFECT. 
          CAN I ASK A I'M C TYPE QUESTION ON THE SLIDE BEFORE , JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT IN MY MIND, LOOKING AT THE SLIDE BEFORE YOU WANT THE ONE BEFORE YES. 
          WAS THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX FUND AND THAT NUMBER JUMPED A BIG NUMBER, 500 TO EIGHT 50. 
          HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WAS. 
          YOU WANNA YEAH. 
          LEMME PULL UP, STERLING'S GONNA PULL IT UP SO WE CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, PONTIFICATE ON IT. 
          HE'S OUR AI YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT, GOOD QUESTION. 
          SO OUR DEBT SERVICE EXPENSES HAVE INCREASED, UH, FOR OUR SERIES 2022 BONDS DEBT SERVICE. 
          WE STARTED TAPPING INTO SOME HIGHER PRINCIPLE PAYMENTS, JUST THE WAY THAT THE DEBT STRUCTURE WAS, UH, SET UP. 
          ONE OF THE CHANGES WE'RE GONNA BE MAKING THOUGH, UH, THAT WE'LL PRESENT TO YOU ON THE 22ND AND 23RD IS RESTRUCTURING THE DEBT PAYMENTS TO NOT BE PAID OUT OF THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX FUND AND BE DIRECTLY ALIGNED TO THE PARKING GARAGE AND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND. 
          SAME, SAME QUESTION. 
          PROBABLY A DIFFERENT ANSWER FOR DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES, STREETS, THAT IS, UH, THE EXACT SAME ANSWER. 
          IT IS THE EXACT SAME. 
          YEAH. 
          WE HAVE DEBT SERVICE 
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PAYMENTS TIED, BUT AS TO THAT, ONE OF THE PROPOSITIONS WE'D LIKE TO MAKE IS MOVING THOSE DEBT PAYMENTS OUT OF THESE TWO FUNDS AND APPLYING THEM DIRECTLY TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND AND THE PARKING GARAGE FUND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I HAVE ONE THAT'S WILL BE A, UH, DECREASE NUMBER 59 WASTEWATER ENTERPRISE FUND DOWN 48%. 
          THAT'S BECAUSE WE PAID OFF THE BONDS. 
          EXACTLY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WE'RE GOOD. 
          WE'RE CATCHING UP. 
          WE'RE WE'RE CATCHING. 
          WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD POINT THAT ONE OUT AS LIKE A YAY. 
          THAT'S A PRETTY BIG DEAL. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE SAVING YEAR OVER YEAR, VERY BIG DEAL. 
          YEAH, IT SEEMED LIKE, FIRST I HEARD OF IT, IT SEEMED LIKE IT WOULD BE FOREVER UNTIL THEY GOT PAID OFF. 
          AND THAT DAY IS TODAY  ALMOST A COUPLE MONTHS, RIGHT? YEAH, BY THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THEN HERE ARE THE OPERATING CHANGES BY CATEGORY AND THEN DEBT SERVICE CHANGES AND OKAY, I'VE SEEN THAT. 
          AND THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO STAFFING AND PERSONNEL, UM, STAFFING OVER TIME. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, MANY TIMES, LIKE WHEN WE CUT A BUNCH OF STAFF AND THEN WE'VE SLOWLY ADDED STAFF. 
          UM, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS IN CONTEXT OF, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET AND THE, THE GROWTH IN TOURISM, YOU CAN REALLY SEE WHERE THE, WHERE THE INCREASES ARE. 
          THIS, THIS CHART IS NOT, IS THAT CHART IN OUR BOOKS ANYWHERE? IS THIS ONE IN THE BOOK? NOT THIS ONE. 
          THE OTHER ONE I DON'T BELIEVE. 
          SO WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, BRING IT FOR YOU GUYS OR SEND IT TO YOU SEPARATELY SO THAT YOU HAVE IT. 
          AND WE ALSO HAVE A VERSION OF THIS THAT SHOWS THE PROGRAMMATIC PIECES THAT DROVE EACH OF THESE INCREASES, LIKE FROM 2018 ON LIKE WHEN SHORT TERM RENTAL, YOU KNOW, UH, SORT OF MANAGEMENT IF YOU WILL, CAME ON BOARD WHEN WE INCREASED POLICE, WHEN WE INCREASED FOR, UH, TRANSIT. 
          THERE'S A BUNCH OF TOURISM PIECES. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          TOURISM. 
          THAT WAS ANOTHER, YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S OUR STAFFING. 
          AND THEN NOW WE'RE GONNA GET INTO, I BELIEVE, ZBB AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BUDGET. 
          AND THIS, YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE AND THESE ARE THOSE COMMON BUDGETING MODELS THAT HISTORICALLY SEDONA HAS USED KIND OF A COMBINATION OF ALL THESE. 
          UM, WHICH ACTUALLY, EVEN THOUGH ZERO BASED BUDGETING WAS HUNDREDS OF HOURS TO REALLY LIKE DO IT COMPLETELY. 
          WE STARTED FROM A PLACE WHERE WE DID ENOUGH ZERO BASE BUDGETING THAT IT WASN'T THE SAME LEVEL OF LIFT THAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN IF WE WEREN'T DOING ANYTHING. 
          ZERO BASE. 
          WE STILL REQUIRED JUSTIFICATION FOR, YOU KNOW, ALL BUDGET THINGS, BUT WE, WE HAD NEVER ZEROED OUT THE BUDGET AND SAID, BUILD IT FROM THE GROUND UP TO EACH DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS WHAT THEY HAD TO DO THIS YEAR. 
          AND WE DO USE DECISION PACKAGES AND WE'RE STILL USING DECISION PACKAGES. 
          AND THAT'S PART OF TARGET BASED BUDGETING. 
          UM, WHICH I THINK IS KIND OF ODD BECAUSE DECISION PACKAGES ARE SO CRITICAL TO YOU ALL, AND THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDING WHAT ADDITIONAL THINGS WE WANNA DO YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          AND TARGET BASED BUDGETING IS THE SIMPLEST BUDGETING METHOD. 
          IT'S BASICALLY WE'RE INCREASING THE BUDGET BY 2%. 
          EVERYBODY HAS 2% MORE, OR WE'RE DECREASING IT BY 5%. 
          EVERYBODY LOSES 5%. 
          IT'S, IT'S A VERY BASIC MODEL AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD MODEL. 
          UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING AT THE REALITY OF YOUR PROGRAMMATIC COSTS GOING FORWARD. 
          WHAT'S THE INTENT? FUTURE BUDGET YEARS, ARE WE, I THINK WE WILL CONTINUE. 
          I DON'T THINK, WE'LL ZERO BASE EVERY YEAR, BUT I THINK WE'LL CONTINUE WITH LIKE, DOES THIS JUSTIFICATION STILL FIT? ARE WE STILL DOING THESE THINGS? SO THAT LEVEL OF LIKE REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE BUDGET THAT THIS HAS GIVEN US, WE WANT TO CARRY OVER. 
          UH, CAN I JUST ASK, UH, HOW OFTEN SHOULD ZERO BASED BUDGETING BE DONE? I REALLY, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I, I THINK IT'S, UM, IT'S BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL AND I THINK DOING IT EVERY SO OFTEN IS IMPORTANT, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT SHOULD TRIGGER IT. 
          I THINK FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, WHAT MADE ME FEEL LIKE IT WAS A GOOD IDEA WAS THAT EXECUTION RATE. 
          AND I THINK IF THE EXECUTION RATE, YOU KNOW, IF THAT GAP CLOSES SOME, AND IF WE START TO SEE IT GROW AGAIN, I THINK AT THAT POINT WE WOULD WANT TO SAY, HEY, TIME OUT. 
          WE NEED 
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TO DO ANOTHER REALLY DEEP DIVE INTO THIS BUDGET AND UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT ARE WE DOING THAT'S MAKING THIS EXECUTION RATE LOWER SO THAT THAT WOULD BE . 
          SO YOU DON'T THINK THERE'S A A BEST PRACTICE THAT'S GENERALLY USED? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. 
          ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO. 
          UM, MY EXPERIENCE IN OTHER PLACES, WE DID ZERO BASED BUDGETING QUITE A LONG TIME AGO. 
          AND, UH, MOST PEOPLE STARTED TRANSITIONING FROM THAT TO THE PERFORMANCE BASED BUDGETING AS THEY GOT MORE SOPHISTICATED WITH THEIR SOFTWARE TOOLS AND THEIR PERFORMANCE METRICS AND THE ANALYTICS AND THE, UM, A LOT MORE DATA TO HELP INFORM LIKE HOW TO BUILD THE PROGRAM BUDGETS. 
          UM, SO I'M NOT, I, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK  DO SOME RESEARCH TO SEE IF THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR HOW OFTEN TO DO THE ZERO BASE. 
          AND THIS DOES, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT. 
          THANK YOU, ANNETTE, ABOUT, UH, PERFORMANCE OR PRIORITY BASE BUDGETING. 
          HAVING ZBB AS THE BASE REALLY ENABLES US TO MOVE INTO THAT PERFORMANCE BASED BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE ALL THOSE PROGRAMS BROKEN OUT AND YOU'LL GET TO SEE ALL OF THOSE NEXT WEEK BECAUSE THERE ARE LOTS. 
          UM, AND IN BREAKING OUT ALL THESE PROGRAMS, WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT COSTS TO MAINTAIN POSSE GROUNDS PARK, OR YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. 
          AND ALL OF THAT REALLY FEEDS INTO, OKAY, OUR PERFORMANCE BASE, HOW DO WE WANT THIS TO HAPPEN? HOW MUCH DOES THAT INCREASE THAT PROGRAM? SO I THINK THE ZERO BASE WILL HELP US MOVE INTO THAT EVEN MORE SOPHISTICATED MODEL OF BUDGETING. 
          THANK YOU MELISSA. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO TWO QUESTIONS. 
          I'M NOT SURE TO WHOM THEY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. 
          UM, THE FIRST QUESTION, JUST SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN SORT OF BOTHERING ME AND IT'S, IT'S SORT OF BOTHERED ME EVERY BUDGET YEAR IS WE TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH CAN WE DO, RIGHT? HOW MUCH CAN EACH DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY DO BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE AND, UM, THE LEVEL OF THE PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE, SO FORTH AND SO ON. 
          AND I ALWAYS GET CONCERNED THAT WHAT WE DO IS WE SAY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THAT EXPERTISE, UM, BECAUSE SO AND SO HAS, HAS LEFT OR RETIRED OR WHATEVER, SO WE'RE GONNA SEND IT OUT TO CONTRACT. 
          UM, BUT WE NEVER REALLY JUSTIFY IN MY MIND WHETHER OR NOT DOING THAT IS ACTUALLY BENEFICIAL, UM, BOTH TO THE PROJECT. 
          'CAUSE THAT PERSON COULD LEAVE AND WE STILL HAVE A CONTRACT THAT WE'RE PAYING OR WHETHER OR NOT HAVING AN INDIVIDUAL WHO COULD ACTUALLY DO THAT WORK, . 
          MM-HMM . 
          ACTUALLY WOULD BE CHEAPER THAN SENDING THINGS OUT FOR CONTRACT. 
          SO I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE SAID, OH, THE MONEY WE'RE SPENDING IS THE MONEY FOR THE, THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR THIS PERSON THAT WE DON'T HAVE, SO WE'RE GOING TO HIRE SOMEONE TO DO THAT. 
          BUT WHEN YOU WERE DOING ALL OF THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'VE REFERENCED SEVERAL TIMES, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE AND, YOU KNOW, NOT OVERBURDENING THE, THE CURRENT STAFF. 
          WAS ANY OF THAT BROUGHT INTO CONSIDERATION, LIKE HOW MANY OF THESE THINGS NEEDED CONTRACTS TO GET PEOPLE TO DO THE WORK FOR A DEPARTMENT WHERE MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE ACTUALLY JUST HAD A PERSON IN THE DEPARTMENT? AND WHAT YOU'RE REALLY SAYING IS WE CAN'T HIRE, I MEAN, LIKE WHAT'S, HOW, HOW DID YOU DEAL SORT OF WITH THAT WHEN YOU WERE DOING YOUR JUSTIFICATIONS FOR SOME OF THIS? IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. 
          DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO UH, WELL I WOULD, UM, SAY IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE SERVICE IS. 
          IS IT AN ONGOING SERVICE OR A ONE TIME THING WE NEED? AND THEN LOOKING AT, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE AN ENGINEERING, IT MAY MAKE MORE SENSE TO CONTRACT OUT FOR SPECIALTY ENGINEERING NEEDS LIKE A STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE COULDN'T KEEP A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER BUSY FULL TIME YEAR ROUND, YOU KNOW, SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT SERVICE THE CITY NEEDS, AND THEN ALSO HOW FAST WE NEED IT, HOW TIMELY WE NEED IT. 
          BECAUSE RECRUITMENT AND HIRING AND ONBOARDING AND ALL THAT TAKES QUITE A BIT OF TIME. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS I THINK THAT WE ALL THINK ABOUT AS DEPARTMENT HEADS AND MANAGERS ABOUT WHY IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO DO A CONTRACTED EXPERT VERSUS TRYING TO HIRE IN-HOUSE. 
          SO I GUESS IT'S HARD TO SAY JUST ONE BLANKET RESPONSE TO THAT. 
          BUT YES, WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY ALL THE PLACES WHERE WE'RE USING CONTRACTED SERVICES. 
          I MEAN, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT, BUT QUANTIFY IT AND HAVE IT SET UP FOR ANALYSIS THROUGH THIS METHOD, UM, AND BE ABLE TO ROLL IT UP ACROSS THE BOARD OR LOOK AT DIFFERENT SERVICE LINES OR WHATEVER. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE 
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TO START THOSE TYPES OF CONVERSATIONS. 
          UM, AND, AND AS PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, DID, DID THAT WEIGHT IN AS A FACTOR IN MAKING A DECISION OR WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING SHOULD BE A HIGHER PRIORITY AND DONE SOONER VERSUS WE CAN LET THAT ONE WAIT 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO AND, AND HIRE OUT AND WE DON'T REALLY NEED IT NOW. 
          LIKE THERE'S NOT, WE DON'T HAVE A SINKHOLE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF UPTOWN THAT WE HAVE TO GO AND, AND, AND FIX. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT'S DEFINITELY TRUE IN THE CAPITAL PROGRAM. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO MY OTHER, I I I THINK ACTUALLY YOU'RE ON THE HOOK FOR THIS, BARBARA, SO I'M GONNA LOOK AT YOU. 
          SO IN ORDER TO MOVE INTO PERFORMANCE BASED, UM, BUDGETING, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED ARE THE RIGHT SETS OF METRICS AND, AND THE, UM, THE, THE CHARTS THAT, THAT REALLY WE WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT PETE OVER, UM, THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE IN A DASHBOARD ABOUT METRICS AND ABOUT WHATEVER THAT, THAT CAN BE USED BY COUNCIL, CAN BE USED BY RESIDENTS, IT CAN BE USED BY STAFF TO SORT OF SEE AND MEASURE WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          WE ASKED TO HAVE, UM, A GROUP PUT TOGETHER TO GO, UH, DURING OUR, OUR RETREAT WHERE WE STAYED HERE AND, UM, ASK TO GET THIS GOING RIGHT, TO, TO GET A SORT OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE THINK THE COMMUNITY NEEDS, LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY, WHAT COUNCIL NEEDS IN ORDER TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING'S THE RIGHT WAY TO SPEND OUR MONEY OR SHOULD WE GO WITH ADDITIONAL CONTRACTS, WHATEVER. 
          UM, AND, AND STAFF OBVIOUSLY CAN USE AS WELL FOR SUCH THINGS AS THIS. 
          SO WHERE DOES THAT STAND? THAT'S YOUR PERFORMANCE AUDIT COMMITTEE? YES. 
          YES. 
          SO GREAT. 
          WELL HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE OUR FIRST MEETING NEXT MONTH AND THEN WE CAN, WE HAVE A COUPLE THINGS LEFT TO WORK ON AND THAT, AND THEN THAT'S OUR BIG PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BRIAN. 
          I THINK, I THINK THINK CHARLOTTE MIGHT HAVE BEEN FIRST, UM, THIS IS GOING BACK A FEW PAGES BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING EXACTLY IN THE BOOK, BUT WHEN WE WERE KIND OF FOLLOWING IN THE BOOK, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. 
          UH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CONTINGENCIES HERE OVER YEAR, THAT TABLE, AND YOU OUTLINED THE VARIOUS CONTINGENCIES, WHICH ARE MOSTLY WELL FOR VARIOUS SPECIFIC AREAS. 
          UM, AND THEN, THEN WE TALK ABOUT, UM, STAFF HAS NOT ADJUSTED THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR FUEL PRICES OR OTHER KINDS OF THINGS. 
          SO DO WE KNOW WE HAVE NO GENERAL, UH, OOE ESCALATIONS BUILT INTO THE BUDGET? WE HAVE ESCALATORS THAT WE USUALLY USE, BUT FUEL PRICES HAVE INCREASED DRAMATICALLY SINCE WE FIRST CREATED THIS WITH SORT OF NORMAL ESCALATORS, IF YOU WILL. 
          SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THESE SUPER HIGH PRICES ARE GONNA CONTINUE OR IF THEY'RE GONNA LIKE LEVEL OUT COME BACK DOWN. 
          UM, AND WE HAVEN'T BUILT ANYTHING IN SINCE BASICALLY ALL OF THIS HAPPENED, BUT WE CAN, AND THAT'S REALLY, IT CAN EITHER BE PART OF CONTINGENCY OR WE CAN MAKE AN ESTIMATE BASED ON THE INCREASES WE'VE SEEN RIGHT NOW. 
          AND SO NEXT WEEK WHEN WE DO THE DEEPER DIVE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO POINT OUT AND WE BUILT IN OOE IN INCREASES, UM, IN THIS BUDGET, THIS BUDGET, THIS BUDGET. 
          OH, FOR LIKE, UH, THE FUEL ONES. 
          I DON'T THINK ANY, WELL NOT NECESSARILY FUEL, BUT OTHER, OTHER KINDS OF THINGS, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, BUT NORMALLY, OH, SORRY. 
          DO YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT? YEAH. 
          THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN CRITERIA WITHIN THE BUDGET THAT WE CAN IMMEDIATELY PULL UP. 
          UM, SOME THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX, BUT SOMETHING LIKE FUEL AND OIL IS A DIRECT OBJECT CODE. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING I COULD PULL UP NEXT WEEK IF YOU WANTED TO SEE HISTORICAL BUDGET, ACTUAL SPEND AND WHERE ARE WE AT THIS YEAR? WHAT ARE WE BUDGETING FOR NEXT YEAR? OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF I REALLY NEED THAT FAR HISTORICAL, BUT, UM, 'CAUSE AS YOU SAY, IT'S A, IT'S A DYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT FOR THAT ONE. 
          BUT I I WAS JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY WHETHER OOE CONTINGENCIES WERE, WE WERE EXPECTING TO GO TO A RESERVE FOR THOSE OR HAD YOU BUILT, HAVE YOU BUILT IN SOME INCREASES? YEAH, WE, UM, I KNOW I HAD SPOKEN WITH ANNETTE ABOUT THIS, THE RECENT ENVIRONMENT WITH IRAN THAT, UM, UTILIZING A PORTION OF OUR CONTINGENCY, UM, THAT NOT NECESSARILY WE WOULD INCREASE THE OIL AND FUEL OBJECT LINE. 
          THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE, DEPENDING ON HOW THINGS HAPPEN OVER THE NEXT 12 MONTHS, THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DRAW FROM RESERVE OR FROM OUR CONTINGENCY RESERVES TO 
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FUND THAT OVER EXPENDITURE. 
          IF, IF THAT BY NINE MONTHS INTO NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WE'RE TRENDING OVER OUR BUDGET FOR FUEL AND OIL. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M, LET'S FORGET ABOUT FUEL AND OIL RIGHT NOW, . 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S TALK ABOUT OTHER ESCALATORS, UTILITIES MM-HMM . 
          UM, MM-HMM . 
          I DON'T KNOW, SOME OTHER KINDS OF THINGS THAT GENERALLY GO UP. 
          THINGS WE CONTROL. 
          ARE WE BUILDING THOSE IN? YEAH. 
          THINGS WE CAN CONTROL OR KNOW, LIKE UTILITIES, WE USUALLY GET A, UH, AN ADVANCED NOTICE FROM A PS OR ERRORS IN THE WATER. 
          WE HAVE BUILT THOSE INTO THE BUDGET. 
          FUEL IS A TRICKY ONE BECAUSE IT'S SO SUBJECTIVE TO, UH, BROADER, UH, ACTIVITIES IN THE WORLD HAPPENING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I, I'D LIKE TO COME BACK TO YOUR QUESTION ACTUALLY, MAYOR, ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN SHOULD WE DO ZERO BASED BUDGETING AGAIN? SO, UH, I'M AWARE THAT IN SOME ORGANIZATIONS THEY MIGHT DO THIS ALL IN ONE FAIL SWOOP LIKE WE'VE JUST DONE AND THEN SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA ROTATE, YOU KNOW, TWO DEPARTMENTS A YEAR GOING FORWARD SO THAT WE'RE ALWAYS CYCLING THROUGH DEPARTMENTS OVER TIME. 
          UM, I KNOW IT WAS AN OFF THE CUFF QUESTION AND ANSWER FROM THE MAYOR AND YOU BARBARA, AND YOU SAID, WELL, HEY, MAYBE THE, UH, MAYBE A LOW EXECUTION RATE ON THE BUDGET WOULD BE A TRIGGER. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD RATHER SEE US BE MORE PROACTIVE THAN WAIT FOR, UH, SOMETHING THAT POPS UP. 
          AND, AND I MEAN, LOW EXECUTION IS NOT REALLY, IT'S NOT REALLY A FISCAL PROBLEM WHEN THE DAY IS DONE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT A WEAKNESS NECESSARILY. 
          BUT, UM, WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHAT COULD ALSO BE A TRIGGER, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY DURING THIS BUDGET PROCESS, WE HAVE DONE A WHAT IF ANALYSIS, LOOKING 10 PLUS YEARS OUT AT REVENUE SOURCES COSTS, AND YOU KNOW, HOW THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S TRENDING. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S SENSITIVITY THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE SEEING A CONVERGENCE OF COST TO REVENUE. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE ZERO BASED BUDGETING IS A GOOD RESET METHODOLOGY. 
          AND SO I THINK FOR THAT REASON, I'D LIKE TO SEE US BE INCORPORATING THAT REGULARLY AND INTENTIONALLY. 
          UM, AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE HAVE COUNSEL CONSENSUS THAT AT LEAST BY THE END OF THE FISCAL 27 BUDGET PROCESS, WE'RE PROVIDING DIRECTION ON WHAT WE WANT THE METHODOLOGY TO BE AS WE APPROACH FISCAL 28. 
          IS THAT RATHER THAN JUST P IT BY EAR, ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE SHOULD PROVIDE THAT DIRECTION TODAY? OR THAT WE SHOULD PRO NO. 
          YEAH, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR BY THE, BY THE END OF THE FISCAL 27, WE SHOULD DISCUSS IT AGAIN AT THE END OF THE PROCESS. 
          BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE FINAL ADOPTION, HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO THINK ABOUT IT. 
          BARBARA WILL HAVE A STRONGER OPINION ABOUT IT. 
          AND LET'S, LET'S HAVE AGREEMENT NOW ABOUT TO VISIT IT THEN. 
          YES. 
          BUT JUST VISIT IT THEN, RIGHT? BUT THAT BY JUNE WE'RE GONNA DECIDE WHAT THE FY 28 METHODOLOGY SHOULD BE. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. 
          I THINK WE WERE LOOKING FOR JUNE, LIKE NOT NEXT THURSDAY, BUT JUNE IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE CONSENSUS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THESE Y ZERO BASE, THE BUDGET, SO, AND I DON'T WANNA READ THEM TO YOU. 
          UM, BUT THEY REALLY ARE FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD SPEND ALL THESE HOURS DOING IT. 
          UM, IT HAS A LOT OF BENEFITS. 
          UM, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT EVERYTHING. 
          WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO REINFORCE THAT CONTINGENCY IS A, YOU KNOW, A REALLY FLEXIBLE TOOL FOR MANAGING UNCERTAINTY. 
          BUT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE SORT OF CONTINGENCY BUILT INTO EVERYTHING. 
          AND HOPEFULLY THIS REDUCES THAT NEED TO FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO BUILD IN CAPACITY. 
          UM, AND NOW I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO NOTABLE DECREASES AND INCREASES. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT SOME ONE-TIME COST, UH, DECREASES AND, UH, DEBT SERVICE. 
          YAY. 
          AND THEN, UH, AND WE HAVE SOME, WE HAD VEHICLE FINANCING AND LEASES STILL IN THE BUDGET LAST YEAR. 
          SOME OF THEM, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT WE COULD GET THEM ALL PAID OFF THROUGH CONTRACT BY THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          WE GOT ALMOST ALL OF THEM. 
          BUT NOW THAT BUDGET CAN GO COMPLETELY AWAY. 
          SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING. 
          UM, MAINTENANCE AND SERVICES, WE HAVE SOME DECREASES THERE AS WELL. 
          UM, INCREASES UTILITIES, UH, WATER, UH, INSURANCE. 
          WE ARE SEEING PROPERTY AND LIABILITY INSURANCE GOING UP. 
          UM, CONTRACTED SERVICES, THE VERDE SHUTTLE, THE VISITOR CENTER, AND THEN THE COMMUNITY SERVICE 
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PROVIDERS. 
          AND THEN, UH, WORKFORCE INVESTMENT FOR LIKE THROUGH HR AND THEN THE MERIT INCREASES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I'M GONNA TURN THIS NEXT ONE OVER TO STERLING TO DISCUSS THE BUILDING BLOCKS THAT HE PUT TOGETHER FOR THE HOME RULE AGAIN. 
          AND THIS IS JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT WHAT YOU ALREADY SAW ON THOSE PAGES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS IS, UH, SIMILAR TO THE PDF THAT'S IN YOUR BUDGET MEMO. 
          THIS IS JUST A, A DIFFERENT CHART TO, TO VISUALLY SEE THIS. 
          UM, AND AS DISCUSSED EARLIER, THIS IS KIND OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THE OPERATING BUDGET TODAY IS SEGMENTING OUT BY HOME RULE, WHETHER IT'S A REQUIRED FUNCTION OR ANOTHER FUNCTION OF GOVERNMENT. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE OUR LARGEST REQUIRED FUNCTION IS POLICE, AND THEN OUR STREETS FACILITY AND STORM WATER, FOLLOWED BY WASTEWATER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COURT CLERK. 
          AND THEN THAT SMALL MOUNT THERE IS CITY COUNCIL, THAT LITTLE BLUE MOUNTAIN RIGHT THERE, . 
          SO, UM, WE WILL GO IN, IN GREATER DETAIL, UH, ON THE 22ND WITH YOU ON EACH OF THESE PROGRAMS. UM, WE WANTED TO DO KIND OF A HIGHLIGHT LEVEL TODAY AND THEN ALLOW YOU TO HAVE MORE TIME TO ASK DEPARTMENTS QUESTION ON THE 22ND, UH, TO REALLY DRILL DOWN INTO EACH OF THESE PROGRAMS. SO THESE ARE KIND OF ROLLED UP INTO A HIGHER, HIGHER LEVEL THAN WHAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE 22ND. 
          SO THIS IS OUR CITY CLERK AND CITY COUNCIL COMBINED INTO ONE GRAPH. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE OUR CITY CLERKS PROGRAMS, IT'S BROKEN OUT BY CITY COUNCIL SUPPORT, UH, ELECTIONS, AND DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT A 66% INCREASE, UH, IN THE ELECTIONS. 
          THAT'S PRIMARILY FOR THE YAVAPAI, UH, COUNTY, UH, ELECTIONS. 
          THAT RIGHT. 
          YAVAPAI THERE ANOTHER OR IS IT JUST THE, THE GENERAL, THE YAVAPAI AND DEBT WE'RE BUDGETING TOWARD IN SPEAKING OF THE MIC JOE, PLEASE. 
          WE'RE BUDGETING NOW FOR REFERENDUMS INITIATIVES EVERY, WE'RE BUDGETING FOR ELECTIONS EVERY YEAR INSTEAD OF EVERY TWO YEARS, JUST IN CASE WE HAVE INITIATIVES AND REFERENDUMS. STERLING, IS THIS CHART ON THE SCREEN IN OUR BOOK? UH, IT'LL BE IN YOUR BUDGET BOOK UNDER, THIS WOULD SHOW UP IN YOUR INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT SECTION. 
          SO IF YOU GO TO CITY CLERK, THIS WOULD BE UNDER THE CLERK SECTION. 
          YES. 
          AND IT WAS A BARBARA, ANNETTE, BARBARA AND I TALKED BEFORE THE SESSION BEGAN. 
          AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS I HAD ABOUT MOVING FORWARD THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          WHETHER WE CAN DO IT FOR, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS OR NOT. 
          IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT ON PRESENTATIONS TO REFER TO THE BOOK SECTION AND PAGE NUMBER. 
          'CAUSE IT COMES OUT EARLY. 
          ALL MY NOTES ARE IN MY BOOK. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK STERLING'S ABOUT HALF DONE WITH THAT . 
          WE'LL HAVE THAT DONE TOMORROW. 
          YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THIS MORNING. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU AS A TEAM TO MAKE SURE WE DO THAT. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE KIND OF A, WHAT IS CHANGING SLIDE FOR EACH OF THESE, WHETHER YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING UP AND IT'S THE ELECTIONS TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE COVERED. 
          UM, TRAINING, TRAVEL, THE PORTRAIT FREE GUYS, I KNOW THAT SEEMS LIKE NOTHING, UM, CODE UPDATES, UM, AND CELL PHONE COSTS ARE GOING DOWN. 
          UM, AND THEN THESE ARE THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND SERVICES, AND WE JUST TRIED TO CALL THESE OUT FOR EACH AREA. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN GO AHEAD. 
          SORRY, I INTERRUPTED. 
          OH, YOU'RE GOOD. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE'LL GO INTO THESE INDIVIDUAL PROGRAMS NEXT WEEK, BUT WE HAVE OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, SO YOU CAN SEE THE COMPREHENSIVE, I THINK THE BIGGEST CHANGE HERE, UH, WITH, WITH TONY AND STEVE WORKING TOGETHER WAS TO CLOSE DOWN THE LONG RANGE PLANNING PROGRAM AND SHIFT THOSE OPERATION COSTS INTO THE PLANNING PROGRAM. 
          SO IT'S JUST A SMALL CHANGE THAT, UH, WAS MADE INTERNALLY. 
          SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT DECREASE IN LONG RANGE PLANNING. 
          AND THEN THOSE INCREASES THEN SHIFTING OVER TO PLANNING, BUILDING SAFETY AND CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          YEAH, SO SOME OF THE INCREASES THINGS GOING UP IS CFA PLAN, MAILINGS, UH, THE TREE REMOVAL ABATEMENT PROGRAM, AND THEN ADS FOR PUBLIC MEETINGS GOING DOWN OUR HEARING OFFICER FEES, CODE BOOKS, AND SOME, UH, MINOR A PA CONFERENCE TRAININGS. 
          AND AGAIN, SOME WE JUST LISTED SOME OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS ASSOCIATED TO THESE PROGRAMS. SLIDE 30. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, NEXT IS OUR GENERAL SERVICES. 
          SO THE 35% DECREASE IS GONNA BE THE DECREASE FOR OUR PAYMENT ON THE WASTEWATER BONDS, THE SERIES 2021. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE OUR MUNICIPAL COURT, UH, WITH INCREASES ABOUT 8%. 
          UH, MOST OF THAT JUST BEING, UM, FROM THE SALARY STUDY LAST YEAR AND MAKING THOSE INCREASES THIS YEAR THAT DIDN'T FULLY GET IMPLEMENTED IN THE FY 26 BUDGET. 
          WELL, AND, AND AN IMPORTANT THING THAT YOU'LL 
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NOTICE AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETS, SOME DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETS, SO SHOW SALARY AND WAGES GOING WAY UP AND OTHERS SHOW IT FLAT ARE GOING DOWN. 
          THAT'S BECAUSE BEFORE WE HAD THE RESULTS OF THE SALARY STUDY LAST YEAR, WE BUDGETED A FLAT AMOUNT, INCREASE AN ASSUMPTION FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT. 
          SO THE BUDGET IN 26 SHOWED THAT FLAT AMOUNT. 
          AND THEN THE REALITY WAS THAT SOME DEPARTMENTS WERE FURTHER FROM THE MARKET, SO THEY HAD AN INCREASE THIS YEAR IN THE BUDGET REFLECTING THAT, OR MAYBE THEY WEREN'T. 
          AND SO IT'S A DECREASE FROM LAST YEAR. 
          SO WHEN YOU SEE THAT AND IT LOOKS A LITTLE WONKY, THAT'S WHAT THE DEAL IS, IS THAT THE BUDGET LAST YEAR WAS A FLAT INCREASE FOR THE MARKET STUDY. 
          SORRY, I HAD TO, AND THEN GOING UP ARE REALLY, YOU KNOW, BASIC THINGS WE'VE GOT, UH, INTERPRETERS FOR, UH, IS THAT FOR THE MUNICIPAL COURT OR FOR THE MUNICIPAL COURT? YEAH. 
          AND THEN THE WASTEWATER BONDS AND VEHICLE LEASES. 
          SO OF COURSE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGAIN. 
          AND THEN HERE'S POLICE AND WE HAVE SOME THINGS GOING DOWN AND, YOU KNOW, A FEW INCREASES, BUT NOTHING REALLY SIGNIFICANT. 
          UM, AND THERE'S MORE HERE. 
          THE TOTAL THOUGH FOR POLICE IS A DECREASE OF 9%. 
          AND THEN GOING UP, WE HAVE SOME SUPPLIES, CERTIFICATIONS, AND VEHICLE REPLACEMENT COSTS BECAUSE WE ARE REACHING, WELL, WE'VE ACTUALLY EXCEEDED END OF LIFE. 
          WE BOUGHT A, A WHOLE GROUP OF VEHICLES, IF YOU RECALL, IN LIKE 2017. 
          AND A LOT OF THOSE ARE STILL ON THE ROAD AND THEY ARE WELL PAST ANY USEFUL LIFE AND COSTING SIGNIFICANTLY MORE TO MAINTAIN THAN REPLACING THEM. 
          SO WE ARE, AND, AND THAT OF COURSE COMES FROM THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT RESERVE. 
          SO THIS ISN'T USING LIKE CURRENT RESOURCES, IT COMES OUT OF THAT RESERVE. 
          AND THEN WE CONTRIBUTE TO THE RESERVE OVER THE LIFE OF THE ASSET TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT RESERVE IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE WHEN WE NEED TO REPLACE A VEHICLE OR HEAVY EQUIPMENT. 
          CAN I OF COURSE, ASK A QUESTION? I'M, I'M LOOKING BACK ON THE POLICE OPERATING BUDGET REQUIRED FUNCTIONS. 
          THE ONE THING THAT CAUGHT, MAYBE IT'S A CHART BEFORE THERE YOU GO, WAS UPTOWN PARKING. 
          SO ARE, ARE WE PROJECTING BECAUSE OF THE GARAGE GOING FORWARD, THERE'S LESS NEED FOR POLICING IN UPTOWN. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT DROP AND I, SO I DIDN'T KNOW THAT EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANT. 
          UPTOWN PARKING IN THE POLICE BUDGET, STERLING'S GONNA PULL THAT UP IT SEEMS. 'CAUSE IN SOME CASES INCREASES AND DECREASES CAN BE JUST A REALLOCATION, BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT THAT DRIVER IS AND IF WE'LL SEE ALL THESE CHARTS IN SUBSEQUENT DAYS, MAYBE I DON'T NEED TO GET IN THAT DETAIL NOW. 
          IF YOU WANT TO, WE CAN JUST FLAG THAT. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE WILL GO INTO EACH DEPARTMENT, UM, IN DEPTH NEXT WEEK. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY. 
          AND SO STEPHANIE, I'M SURE IS WRITING IT DOWN SO THAT SHE CAN ADDRESS THAT ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN WE DO PD? OKAY. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, COMMUNITY BENEFITS. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE PUBLIC WORKS, UM, WITH AN OVERALL INCREASE OF 3%. 
          UM, AND THEN INCREASING, WE'VE GOT PARKING, GARAGE SERVICES, UTILITIES, UM, MAINTENANCE OF OUR SHARED USE PATHS, UH, AND THEN SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING DOWN, COMMUNITY BENEFITS. 
          AND IF Y'ALL WANT ME TO READ ANY OF THIS STUFF TO YOU, JUST LET ME KNOW. 
          BUT LIKE, AS A GENERAL RULE, I DON'T THINK YOU DO. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST, JUST MAKING SURE. 
          AND THEN WASTEWATER OF COURSE, UM, ROXANNE IS ONE OF OUR CHAMPION BUDGETERS. 
          UM, SHE REALLY, UH, SHE REALLY, REALLY SCRUBBED HER BUDGET AND BROUGHT A LOT OF, A LOT OF CATEGORIES DOWN. 
          'CAUSE GO ROXANNE. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE JUST A FEW THINGS THAT ARE GOING UP. 
          I MEAN, WE DO HAVE TO REHAB EQUIPMENT, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT RECENTLY AND, YOU KNOW, TRAININGS, LAB SUPPLIES, AND THEN SOME OTHER THINGS ARE GOING DOWN. 
          OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY BENEFIT TO HAVING WASTEWATER TREATMENT. 
          I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE SURE WASTEWATER IS TREATED ARE INFINITELY MORE IMPORTANT TO THE CITY THAN ME. 
          SO, 'CAUSE YEAH, I DON'T MAKE SURE IMPORTANT THINGS HAPPEN LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN LOOKING AGAIN AT THE HOME RULE SORT OF FUNCTIONS, AND THESE ARE THE OTHER FUNCTIONS THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE LIMIT. 
          UM, AND WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, GENERAL SERVICES, WHICH AGAIN IS THE CONTINGENCIES AND DEBT SERVICE 
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PRIMARILY. 
          UM, SO WE DON'T ALWAYS SPEND ALL OF THAT BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CONTINGENCY'S PRETTY HIGH THIS YEAR AND WE WON'T HAVE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF IT, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHAT'S IN THERE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THESE ARE JUST THE, IT'S REALLY GOOD TO HAVE THESE SERVICES BUT ARE NOT NECESSARILY LEGALLY REQUIRED. 
          CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? YES, MA'AM. 
          UH, SO GENERAL SERVICES YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FOR FISCAL 27 MOVING, UM, DEBT SERVICE FOR PARTICULAR BONDS TO THOSE PROGRAMS THEMSELVES AS OPPOSED TO BEING IN GENERAL SERVICES. 
          AND THAT 13.6 REFLECTS THAT. 
          WHAT IS YEAH, YEAH, IT DOES. 
          SO ONCE WE MAKE THOSE CHANGES, THOSE PAYMENTS THEN WOULD BE ASSOCIATED TO DIRECT FUND. 
          UM, BUT THE PAYMENTS THEMSELVES STILL WOULD BE CONSIDERED A GENERAL SERVICE PAYMENT. 
          UM, THE WAY WE WE CATEGORIZE THE PAYMENT IS WE HAVE, UH, A GL STRUCTURE. 
          SO THE FUND WOULD BE THE SPECIFIC FUND, BUT THEN THE DEPARTMENT CODE THAT WE LINK IT TO WOULD BE THE GENERAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT, NOT LINKED TO ANY ONE DEPARTMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD EARLIER. 
          I THOUGHT YOU WERE ACTUALLY MOVING THE, LIKE THE RESPONSIBILITY SO TO SPEAK, OF THE DEBT SERVICE. 
          WE ARE, WE, WE ARE, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          UM, I THINK WHAT, WHAT HE'S SAYING IS GENERAL SERVICES IS A GENERAL CATEGORY IN EVERY FUND. 
          SO WHEN WE'RE MOVING RESPONSIBILITY OUT OF ONE FUND TO ANOTHER, IT'S STILL GENERAL SERVICES, BUT IT'S IN A DIFFERENT WAY, . 
          SO WE TRY TO MAKE IT AS CONFUSING AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO, AND, UM, I THINK THIS HAS DEBT SERVICE IN IT, WHICH IS NOT CORRECT BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT BE UNDER OTHER GOVERN GOVERNMENTAL, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S A REQUIRED FUNCTION. 
          SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          UM, OUR BAD, IT SHOULD BE ON THE OTHER CHART, COUNCILOR HOSSEINI, SOME, UM, SOME GOVERNMENTS REFER TO GENERAL SERVICES AS NON-DEPARTMENTAL. 
          SO YOU MIGHT HEAR THAT IN OTHER CITIES THAT THAT'S A NON-DEPARTMENTAL OR IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY SERVICE DELIVERY ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          IT'S THE CENTRALIZED SORT OF, YEAH. 
          UM, WHERE I COME FROM, GENERAL SERVICES MEANT, UM, FACILITIES AND MAINTENANCE. 
          SO I HAVE A CONSTANT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO CHANGE GEARS AND THINK OF THIS DEFINITION INSTEAD. 
          BRIAN, I WANTED, UH, TO RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION, I I FOUND SOME INFORMATION. 
          SO THE, UH, THE DROP IN OUR UPTOWN PAINT PARKING FOR POLICE WAS JUST THE SHIFT OF OUR IT SOFTWARE THAT WAS IN THE POLICE PROGRAM THAT NOW WE CONSOLIDATE INTO OUR, OUR IT FUND. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO OTHER FUNCTIONS. 
          WE HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WHETHER THAT'S FINANCE, HUMAN RESOURCES, CITY ATTORNEY, ALL OF THOSE. 
          UM, AND THEN GOING UP, WE HAVE THE CITIZEN SURVEYS, AUDIT SERVICES. 
          WE ADDED, UM, SOME MONEY TO HAVE ADDITIONAL PERFORMANCE AUDIT FUNDS. 
          UM, IN CASE THAT'S DIRECTION OF THE GROUP IS THAT WE WANNA ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME OF THAT GOING ON. 
          GO. 
          SORRY, GO AHEAD. 
          AND THEN, UM, GOING DOWN ARE SOME, SOME OTHER THINGS, THE AMERICORPS VISTA SUPPORT, UM, THAT'S GOING AWAY, BUT THERE'S A DECISION PACKAGE THAT WOULD REPLACE THAT. 
          IS THAT PROGRAM BEEN EXPELLED? EXPELLED? IS IT, DOES IT STILL EXIST? IT DOES. 
          I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT DEGREE IT DOES. 
          IS IT GONE? GONE? UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR. 
          UH, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL. 
          UH, FROM OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM THE SUSTAINABILITIES, UH, DEPARTMENT SIDE OF THINGS, THE AMERICORPS VISTA PROGRAM TECHNICALLY EXISTS, BUT THE STAFF, UH, THAT RUN THE PROGRAM, THE AVAILABILITY TO GET THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS IS PRETTY MUCH NON-EXISTENT, UH, AT THIS TIME. 
          THANK YOU, BRYCE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THEN WE HAVE COMMUNITY BENEFITS. 
          UM, IT ANOTHER REALLY IMPORTANT FUNCTION. 
          UM, WHY IS GIS GOING DOWN? UH, WE CUT SOME COSTS FOR THEIR PRINTING AND THEN MAILING SUPPLIES. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO PRINTING AND MAILING SUPPLIES FOR THAT. 
          OH, GIS, PLOTTER AND SUPPLIES. 
          I GUESS I COULD HAVE JUST GONE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          COULD HAVE ANSWERED THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, COMMUNITY BENEFITS. 
          UM, CYBERSECURITY, CAN'T EMPHASIZE THAT ONE ENOUGH. 
          UM, IT'S A BIG DEAL. 
          AND THEN OUR GIS OUR, YOU KNOW, GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEM IS REALLY AMAZING. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER PLAYED WITH IT ON THE WEBSITE, BUT IT IS, IT IS SUPER COOL. 
          I LIKE REALLY CAN NERD OUT ABOUT THE GIS STUFF. 
          UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOP MORE GEEK GETTING ON , YOU KNOW. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT I'M A LITTLE BIT OF A NERD. 
          UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THIS 
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IS LIKE THE HOUSING PROGRAM AND HERE WE'RE SEEING SOME DECREASES OVERALL. 
          AND THAT'S, WE HAVE CDBG GRANT, GRANT, GRANT, GOODNESS, UM, ADVERTISING AND MARKETING. 
          AND THEN OBVIOUSLY COMMUNITY BENEFITS, PUBLIC WORKS. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE PROGRAMS WITHIN HERE, BUT THESE ARE SOME MAJOR ONES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING SUSTAINABILITY WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS, WHICH IS LIKE THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVES. 
          AND THEN GOING UP AND GOING DOWN, UH, PARKS AND RECREATION, OBVIOUSLY A CRITICAL DEPARTMENT HERE IN THE CITY THAT EVERYBODY LOVES AND THEY'RE DOING AUTISM AND NRPA, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT STANDS FOR, BUT AN AUTISM TRAINING, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT. 
          UM, CONCERTS, PROMOTIONAL STUFF. 
          SO LOTS OF GOOD STUFF HAPPENING WITH OUR PARKS AND RECREATION. 
          AND THEN HERE'S PARKS, FACILITIES AND MAINTENANCE. 
          AND THEN WHAT'S GOING UP AND GOING DOWN, GOING DOWN ARE SOME, UH, ONE-TIME EXPENDITURES LIKE THE HUB WINDOW AND KITCHEN UPGRADES AND SUNSET AND GRAY BACK PARK. 
          SO WHEN YOU SEE THAT BIG AMOUNT, LIKE THOSE ARE, THOSE WERE ONE-TIME EXPENDITURES THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT IN THE BUDGET. 
          AGAIN, BARBARA, IF I COULD, I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY. 
          WE HAD A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THAT. 
          AND BACK IN THAT ONE BUDGET, THERE WAS A SUSTAINABILITY LINE FOR PUBLIC WORKS. 
          I THINK THAT WAS IT. 
          PUBLIC WORKS, BUT NOT IN, WE DIDN'T SEE THAT IN PARKS AND REC, BUT I'M PRESUMING THAT PARKS AND REC MAY ACTUALLY SPEND SOME MONEY ON SUSTAINABILITY USING SOME WEED CONTROL METHOD VERSUS A DIFFERENCE. 
          IT MIGHT HAVE A HIGHER COST IF WE DO AN ANALYSIS OF ALL THE MONEY THAT WE SPEND ON SUSTAINABILITY. 
          IT'S NOT ALL IN THE SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT, IT'S ALSO IN OTHER PLACES. 
          DO WE HAVE A HANDLE ON THAT? NOT TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. 
          WE KNOW IN PUBLIC WORKS AND IN SUSTAINABILITY ITSELF, AND WE ALLOCATE SOME PORTION OF ADMINISTRATION, BUT I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. 
          WE COULD DO THAT ANALYSIS, BUT THAT WOULD TAKE A MINUTE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          SPEAK. 
          YEAH. 
          BRIAN, UM, OUR COUNSELOR, UM, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM, DID I SAY BRIAN? I'M SORRY, PETE, COUNSELOR FOR INTER INTERCHANGEABLE FOR THE HISTORY. 
          IT'S THE FETS. 
          IT'S THE FETS AND FULLMAN SHOW. 
          . 
          UM, THE SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM THAT YOU SEE IN PUBLIC WORKS IS, IS A HUNDRED PERCENT TIED TO THE CURBSIDE YARD WASTE PROGRAM. 
          SO THAT INCLUDES, UH, PUBLIC NOTICES, MAILERS, FLYERS, AND THEN THE ACTUAL, UH, CONTRACT COST. 
          SO THAT'S A REAL SUSTAINABILITY EXPENSE. 
          THEN I WOULD THINK IF SOMEBODY ASKED US TO SAY HOW MUCH WE SPEND ON SUSTAINABILITY, IS THAT NUMBER IN THERE OR NOT IN THERE? WE, YEAH, WE, WE HAVE A PROGRAM CODE THAT WE COULD DO SOME RESEARCH TO SEE IF THERE'S OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT WE TIE THAT TO. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYTHING IN PARKS AND RECS THAT WE TIE OUR SUSTAINABILITY, BUT GOING FORWARD, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE START TO ISOLATE OUT MORE AND MORE THE COST THAT WE SEE AS SUSTAINABLE AND THEN LINKING THAT SO THAT WE COULD HAVE BETTER METRICS TO PULL FOR YOU. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND NOW WITHIN PARKS AND RECREATION, WE HAVE AQUATICS. 
          UM, WE HAVE VARIOUS, UM, VARIOUS OTHER PROGRAMS WITHIN THERE. 
          AND I DON'T WANNA LIKE SPEND TOO MUCH TIME GOING IN DEPTH INTO THESE, 'CAUSE WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF TIME WITH THIS ON THE 22ND. 
          UM, AND THEN HERE'S GENERAL SERVICES AGAIN. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ASSUMING THAT CONTINGENCIES WILL STAY AT $5 MILLION, BUT THAT OBVIOUSLY IS A COUNCIL DRIVEN DECISION, WHETHER YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF CONTINGENCY ACROSS THE CITY. 
          AND THEN COMMUNITY BENEFITS, UM, OTHER FUNCTIONS, CONTINUING PUBLIC TRANSIT, AND THESE ARE THE VARIOUS AREAS IN PUBLIC TRANSIT, UH, AND TOURISM. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, THREE THINGS HERE. 
          WE'VE GOT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FROM THE POLICE, SHORT TERM RENTAL MONITORING IN, UH, THE CLERK'S DEPARTMENT, AND THEN ARTS AND CULTURE IN THE CITY MANAGER'S DEPARTMENT. 
          SINCE THESE WERE SMALLER, UH, PROGRAMS, WE PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER HERE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YES MA'AM. 
          A COUPLE OF SLIDES AGO, I'M SORRY, WHICH HAS, IT'S IN THE OPERATING BUDGET, OTHER FUNCTIONS, ADMINISTRATION, SERVICE 
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PROVIDER CONTRACTS THERE, ADMINISTRATION. 
          WHAT IS CHANGING IN FY 27? IT'S NUMBER 68. 
          OH 68. 
          AND IT'S THE GOING DOWN GRANTS AND DONATIONS, CONTINGENCY AND GRANT WRITING PROFESSIONAL. 
          SO WE'RE ELIMINATING THAT FUNCTION FOR A GRANT WRITER, OR WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YEAH, WE, WE HAD A, UM, A PLACEHOLDER AMOUNT THAT WASN'T BEING USED. 
          THIS IS GOING BACK TO OUR ZERO BASED BUDGETING, IS WE HAD A, A GRANT WRITER, A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT LINE ITEM THAT WASN'T BEING USED TWO YEARS IN A ROW. 
          SO WE DECIDED THAT IF WE DID NEED TO USE THAT, WE WOULD PULL ON CONTINGENCIES RATHER THAN OVER BUDGET. 
          THIS LINE ITEM CONTINUALLY EVERY YEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE STILL HAVE A EMPLOYEE DOING GRANT WRITING. 
          YES. 
          YEAH, WE HAVE TO. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          SORRY. 
          WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CLEAR THAT IT WAS A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE LINE. 
          'CAUSE THAT WAS JUST, AND IT REALLY WAS A PLACEHOLDER AND WE NEVER SPENT IT, SO THERE WAS NO REASON TO KEEP IT, TO KEEP IT GOING. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE DID TOURISM AND THEN THESE THREE, AND STOP ME IF I'M GOING TOO FAST. 
          I JUST DON'T, I WANT YOU TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO HAVE DISCUSSION AND HEAR THE, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP. 
          SO GOING THROUGH THESE, THESE ARE THE REVENUE, UM, PAGE NUMBER THAT YOU ARE AWARE NOW. 
          80. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          80, SORRY. 
          AND THIS ONE ODDLY DOESN'T HAVE A PAGE NUMBER. 
          IT'S PROBABLY HIDDEN. 
          UM, MOST OF THESE ARE STAYING, UM, THEY'RE FLAT UNLESS WE HAD VERY SPECIFIC REASONS TO SAY, OKAY, WE KNOW THIS IS GOING TO INCREASE FOR WHATEVER REASON. 
          OTHER REVENUES, FOR EXAMPLE, IS THAT WE ARE, UM, HAVING REALLY GOOD RETURN ON INVESTMENTS RIGHT NOW, SO WE KNOW THAT WE CAN INCREASE THAT BUDGET. 
          UM, DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES, WE ARE STARTING TO SEE MORE COMING IN WITH THE NEW RATES. 
          UM, AND SOME OF THIS IS DRIVEN TOO BY CONVERSATIONS WITH TONY ALLEN, WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE'S ANTICIPATING FOR, UM, DEVELOPMENT AND, YOU KNOW, PERMITTING. 
          AND THOSE ARE, UM, USUALLY PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE HOPPER, IF YOU WILL NOT SPECULATIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          THE FRANCHISE FEE, UH, DECREASE IS DUE TO THE, THE WAIVING OF IT FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN THESE ARE REVENUES, UM, BY FUND, UM, JUST SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THEM IN, IN THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, WITH LIKE WASTEWATER AND GENERAL FUND AND ALL THE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, FUNDS THAT HAVE REVENUES AND THESE ARE THE CHANGES. 
          UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE NOT A PS, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ARIZONA WATER, BUT WHATEVER WE'VE GOT IT. 
          AND THEN SALES AND BED TAX REVENUE. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THIS, THIS EMAIL FOR JANUARY WENT OUT, UM, TO YOU ALL EARLIER MAYBE TODAY. 
          AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT YEAR OVER YEAR, NOT LOOKING AT THE BUDGET, WE'RE 5% OVER LAST YEAR AND WE ARE 12% OVER BUDGET FOR, UH, IN A POSITIVE, POSITIVE TO BUDGET, UM, YEAR TO DATE. 
          AND WE, WE ARE SEEING, UM, WE ARE SEEING PRETTY GOOD SALES AND BED TAX. 
          SO IT'S, UH, IT WAS CONCERNING OVER THE SUMMER AND I KNOW WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT ARE WE GONNA SEE, WHAT KIND OF TREND IS GOING TO CONTINUE. 
          AND SO I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THIS IS LOOKING, UH, MUCH BETTER. 
          CAN YOU GO BACK A SLIDE PLEASE TO THE, UM, OTHER REVENUE CHANGES AND OTHER REVENUES INCREASE IN INTEREST INCOME FROM CITY INVESTMENTS? WHERE IS THAT REFLECTED IN A, YOU KNOW, IN A CHART THAT'S MORE SPECIFIC? UH, WITH THE, AM I LOOKING AT THE ONE BEFORE IT OR JUST BY FUND OR AM I LOOKING AT THE ONE PAGE 80, PAGE 80 WHERE IT HAS THE, THE INCREASE FROM, UH, 1.88 MILLION TO 2.6. 
          GOT IT. 
          UM, AND THAT'S A VARIABLE THOUGH, CORRECT? IT, IT, IT PARTIALLY IS, IT IS DRIVEN BY MARKET ACTIVITY, BUT SINCE WE'RE HEAVILY INVESTED IN FIXED INCOME, SO INVESTMENT, UM, IT, IT IS PAYING DOWN INTEREST. 
          SO IT, WE DO HAVE SOME FLUCTUATION IN THE, IN THE PRICE OF THESE BONDS. 
          UM, BUT THE INCOME THAT WE EARN IS MUCH HIGHER THAN ANY VARIATION THAT WE'D SEE IN THE PRICE. 
          UM, SO THE CITY HAS BEEN REPOSITIONING ITS PORTFOLIO OVER TIME, IF YOU REMEMBER, OH, GO AHEAD COUNSELOR. 
          WELL, UH, I DIDN'T WANNA CUT OFF YOUR ANSWER. 
          I'M JUST, I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT, WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THIS AS A 
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VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE? IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          WHEN I, WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, I, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO, UM, BE PREPARED FOR IS THAT THE CITY IS REPOSITIONING ITS PORTFOLIO INTO MORE, UM, HIGHER INTEREST BEARING DEBT. 
          THE CITY WAS LOCKED IN FOR A PERIOD INTO, IF YOU REMEMBER BEFORE 2020 INTEREST WAS PAYING, YOU KNOW, HALF A BASIS, YOU KNOW, 0.5 IF YOU COULD GET 1% ON, ON DEBT WAS REALLY GOOD. 
          SO THE CITY REPOSITIONED ITS ENTIRE PORTFOLIO AND IS ACTUALLY WORTH WORKING TO REDUCE, UH, TO FREE UP SOME LIQUIDITY TO MOVE SOME OF THE PORTFOLIO OUT OF LGIP. 
          THAT IS GONNA FLUCTUATE AS THE MARKET GOES DOWN INTO CALL PROTECTED OR BULLET, THEY'RE CALLED KIND OF BULLET BONDS WHERE THE SECURITY CAN'T BE CALLED FOR THE MATURITY OF, OF HOW LONG WE HOLD THAT. 
          SO IF WE BUY AN INVESTMENT THAT PAYS 5% AND IT'S DOESN'T MATURE FOR FIVE YEARS, WE'RE EARNING 5% FOR THE LENGTH OF THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD. 
          AND THAT'S THE ONLY KIND OF INCREASE THAT'S REFLECTED IN HERE, CORRECT? YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, IN THE OTHER REVENUE IT'S, UH, INTEREST INCOME LGIP INCOME. 
          SO IT'S, IT HAS SPECIFICALLY TO DO WITH INVESTMENT INCOME AND MAYBE WE CAN CHANGE THE TITLE OF THIS TOO. 
          UH, INVESTMENT REVENUE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S BY FUND AND THEN THESE ARE THE INNER FUND TRANSFERS. 
          SUPER EXCITING SLIDE IN NO WAY AT ALL. 
          UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE LIKE THE TRANSFERS OUT OF THE LIGHTER ORANGEISH BROWN AND THEN THE DARKER REDDISH COLOR ARE THE TRANSFERS INTO EACH FUND THEY HAVE TO BALANCE. 
          SO THAT 19.7 IS BOTH THE TRANSFERS IN AND OUT. 
          THE BIGGEST TRANSFERS OBVIOUSLY ARE THE TRANSFERS OUT FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND FOR NEXT YEAR THAT'S LIKE 14.2 MILLION. 
          UM, GENERAL FUND SURPLUS. 
          AND I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING WE'LL DISCUSS PROBABLY AT THE END OF THE DAY ON THE 23RD WHEN YOU ALL ARE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT REALLY WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE IN THAT TENTATIVE BUDGET IN MAY. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE A SURPLUS AT THE END OF FISCAL 25 OF $5,545,323. 
          SO 5.5 MILLION JUST SHOWING WHAT A NERD I AM THERE KNOWING THAT. 
          UM, AND YOU ALL OF COURSE GET TO DECIDE HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO ALLOCATE THAT IF YOU WANT TO ALLOCATE IT. 
          AND THEN CAPITAL BUDGET, UM, WE HAVE THIS SLICE SLICED AND DICED IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          THIS IS BY FUND, THIS IS BY CATEGORY. 
          AND THEN SLIDE 90 ARE THE CHANGES FROM FISCAL 26 TO FISCAL 27. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT DECREASES ABOUT 8.2 MILLION. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMPLETING THIS YEAR, AND THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT WILL BE STARTING IN FISCAL 27. 
          SO THESE ARE NEW AND THEN PROJECTS THAT ARE CONTINUING FROM 26 TO 27, AND THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THOSE. 
          THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE CIP ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN PROGRESS AND ARE, AND ARE MOVING FORWARD INTO NEXT YEAR. 
          THE PROJECTS STARTING IN FY 27, THESE ARE ALL, UM, GONE TO BID READY. 
          THESE ARE ALL, YEAH, THESE ARE ALL AT SOME POINT IN, UH, WHETHER IT'S DESIGN OR CONSTRUCTION, BUT THEY'RE IN PROGRESS, SO, OKAY. 
          WELL, I WOULD CLARIFY, AND KURT HARRIS IS RIGHT THERE, BUT I THINK, UM, SIM FIVE, E FOUR RANGER STATE ROUTE 89 A INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, THAT'S, WE ARE BUDGETING OUR MATCH PORTION IF ANY OF THE STATE FEDERAL FUNDING COMES THROUGH FOR THAT STATE PROJECT. 
          SO THAT ONE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT'S UNDERWAY, IT'S JUST WE HAVE TO BE READY IF WE RECEIVE FINANCING FOR IT TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE CITY HAS THE MATCH. 
          AM I RIGHT? YES, CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO NOW FINALLY, AND I'M SORRY, I BELIEVE WE'RE RUNNING LATE AND I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE WHO'S HERE. 
          UM, WE'RE THE DECISION PACKAGES, SO, UM, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED ME TO GO INTO ALL THESE DETAILS AND I WILL JUST, UH, START WITH LIKE SAYING OUR FIRST ONE IS THE MINI STREET SWEEPER, SO THAT WOULD BE A KURT HARRIS. 
          ALL RIGHT, THERE WE GO. 
          DOES COUNCIL 
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WANT AN EXPLANATION OF EACH ONE OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUST, UM, LET US KNOW IF THERE'S ONE THAT HAS BEEN PUT FORWARD BY A CITY DEPARTMENT THAT YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT AND WE CAN JUST DO THOSE? OR DO YOU WANT, I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE REASONING BEHIND EACH ONE, ACTUALLY. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? CHARLOTTE, IN THE INTEREST OF THE AUDIENCE, I WAS WONDERING IF MAYBE, I DUNNO IF IT'S TOO LATE, WE COULD STOP NOW AND WAIT. 
          WELL, TO REARRANGE THE PRESENTATION SUCH THAT THE, UM, COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER CONTRACTS COULD BE HEARD. 
          THESE ARE, AND MAYBE THE CITIZEN WORK GROUP PRESENTATION AND THEN THESE YEAH, I WAS LOOKING THAT TOO, TO HAVE THE MM-HMM . 
          CITIZEN BUDGET WORK GROUP. 
          GO ON NOW AND WE COME BACK. 
          CAN WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK WHILE THAT SWITCHES OVER? YEAH. 
          FIVE MINUTE BREAK. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU EVERYBODY. 
          AND 
          [3.d. Decision Packages Introduction i. Recommendations of the Citizen’s Budget Work Group (CBWG) ii. City Manager Recommendations]
WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE BUDGET WORK GROUP AND ED KETTLER IS GONNA INTRODUCE THE PRESENTATION. 
          OKAY, WELL THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR AND, UH, COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF. 
          UH, MY NAME'S ED CUTLER. 
          I LIVE IN SEDONA, AND, UH, I REPRESENT THE CITIZENS BUDGET WORKING GROUP. 
          UH, IT'S GOING, I'M GOING TO BE THE LEAD OFF BATTER AND BAT CLEANUP AS WELL. 
          AND, UH, I'LL HAVE JOLENE AND DAVE WILL PRESENT, UH, RESPECTIVELY THE COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDERS PORTION AND THE DECISION PACKAGES. 
          SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          UM, THIS IS THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE CITIZENS BUDGET WORKING GROUP, AND WE'VE HAD A GREAT MIX OF PEOPLE THIS YEAR. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE GETTING DONE WHAT WE GOT DONE IN THE TIME WITHOUT THIS GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE. 
          UH, BOB AND, UH, JOLENE ARE HERE FROM THE PEOPLE, BOB AND JOLENE, UH, AND I, AND ALONG WITH JOHN, UH, WERE THE REPEAT OFFENDERS. 
          WE WERE ON IT MULTIPLE TIMES. 
          AND THIS YEAR WE HAD DAVE GARTEN WHO WILL BE PRESENTING, UH, LANCE WALDROP, WHO IS, UH, INVOLVED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          THERE HE IS, JUDITH IS HERE AS WELL, AND ROBIN LOWE. 
          SO WE HAD A GREAT, GREAT GROUP OF EXPERIENCED PEOPLE WORKING TOGETHER. 
          UH, LOOKING AT ALL THESE PACKAGES THIS YEAR WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM LAST YEAR WHERE WE JUST HAD DECISION PACKETS THIS YEAR. 
          WE ALSO HAD THE COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDERS, WHICH OCCURS EVERY THREE YEARS. 
          SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT APPROACH TO HOW WE GOT THINGS DONE. 
          UH, I ALSO WANT TO THANK BARBARA AND STERLING AND KEEGAN FOR THE GREAT SUPPORT THAT THEY HAD DURING THE, UH, KEEPING US GOING WELL SUPPLIED WITH, UH, SNACKS AND DRINKS AND STUFF, AND ALSO HELPING US GET THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          SO THANK YOU TO ALL THOSE FOLKS THAT HELP, UH, BRING US FORWARD AND STUFF. 
          UH, THE AGENDA FOR THIS WILL BE THE COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDERS, UH, AND THAT WILL BE DONE BY JOLENE. 
          AND WE'VE KIND OF BROKEN THOSE DOWN UP AND THE ONES WE FULLY SUPPORTED AND THE ONES WE PARTIALLY SUPPORTED. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHERE WE HAD ISSUES WITH, YOU KNOW, WHY WE DIDN'T FULLY SUPPORT THINGS. 
          WE'RE GONNA PRIMARILY FOCUS ON THAT PART OF THE PRESENTATION. 
          WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE DECISION PACKAGES. 
          AGAIN, WE BROKEN 'EM DOWN AS YOU KNOW, WE FULLY AGREE WITH WHAT WAS GOING ON, UH, THE ONES WE DIDN'T SUPPORT. 
          UH, SOME OF THAT STUFF IS IMPLEMENTATION DETAILS WERE LACKING. 
          UH, WE DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS BENEFIT. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THAT AND EXPLAIN IT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE VALUE FOR THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS FOR THESE DECISIONS. 
          AND THEN I'LL BACK CLEAN UP AND DO GENERAL FEEDBACK. 
          SO LET ME TURN IT OVER TO JOLENE PEARSON, WHO WILL DISCUSS THE COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDERS. 
          JOLENE, THANK YOU. 
          MY ALLERGIES ARE ACTING UP. 
          SO I HAVE KLEENEX IN CASE I SNEEZE. 
          I CAN RELATE. 
          UM, THIS YEAR IT WAS GREAT TO HEAR THIS COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER REQUESTS. 
          UM, THERE WERE SOME WONDERFUL, WELL, THEY'RE ALL WONDERFUL AND, UM, WE ENJOYED HEARING THEIR PRESENTATIONS FROM THEIR, UM, EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS. 
          SO I'M GOING TO FIRST TALK ABOUT THE ONES THAT WERE SUPPORTED. 
          UM, HOPE HOUSE OF SEDONA. 
          WE FULLY SUPPORTED THEIR REQUEST. 
          UM, THEIR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WAS PASSIONATE. 
          THEIR PRESENTATION WAS VERY, UM, COMPELLING 
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AND WE WERE EXTREMELY IMPRESSED. 
          UH, THE HUMANE SOCIETY REQUESTED, UM, A, UM, PART-TIME, A, EXCUSE ME, WE SUPPORTED THEIR, UM, REQUEST, BUT WE DID NOT FEEL THAT THE INFORMATION WAS TRANSPARENT ABOUT COST. 
          SO WE'D, WE'D LIKE THEM TO DO, UH, A BETTER JOB NEXT YEAR. 
          THE VOTE WAS NOT UNANIMOUS ON THAT, IT WAS SIX IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED, AND ONE ABSTENTION. 
          UM, 17, THE SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY, AGAIN, A GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          WE SUPPORTED THEIR REQUEST AND THEY ALSO ASKED FOR A $150,000 ONE TIME, UM, UM, SUPPORT. 
          AND WE SUGGESTED THAT THAT MIGHT BE A MATCH WITH THE CITY. 
          AND THEY, WE DID NOT MANDATE THAT IT HAD TO BE A MATCH, BUT, UM, THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF DOING THAT. 
          IF, IF THE CITY WOULD LIKE IT TO GO THAT WAY. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, THEY, THEY WOULD MATCH THE 150 FROM THE CITY. 
          UM, JOLENE, EXCUSE ME FOR A MINUTE. 
          SURE. 
          ASK QUESTIONS AS SHE'S GOING ALONG. 
          IF, IF YOU WANT TO THANK YOU. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          UM, VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS, AGAIN, GREAT PRESENTATION BY THEIR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. 
          UH, WE, I WAS SURPRISED THAT THE CITY'S, UH, CONTRIBUTION OR SUPPORT WAS SUCH A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THEIR BUDGET, ONLY 7%. 
          UM, THERE WERE SOME REQUESTS. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          THAT WERE NOT SUPPORTED. 
          UM, CAN CAN WE STOP THERE? YES. 
          AND JUST TALK ABOUT THE ONES THAT WERE SUPPORTED FOR A MINUTE? SURE. 
          KURT, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT THE LIBRARY. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD DO IF WE CHOSE TO GIVE THEM MONEY FOR A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN AS A MATCH? SO, UM, IT WOULD, IT, IT DEPENDS EXACTLY ON HOW MUCH IS PROPOSED AND, AND EXACTLY WHAT PART OF CAPITAL. 
          BUT YEAH, SO THE CITY, UM, CAN, SO FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE, HIS, THE HISTORIC SOCIETY, WE OWN THE LAND AND THE BUILDINGS AND WE MAINTAIN, AND WE CAN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME OF THAT. 
          FOR SEDONA RECYCLES THE CITY OWNS THAT BUILDING AS WELL, AND THE LAND AND, AND HAS AND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME OF THAT. 
          IN THIS CASE, WE DON'T OWN THE LAND, UH, BUT THE CITY'S ABLE TO CONSTRUCT AND BUILD A LIBRARY IF IT WANTED TO. 
          INSTEAD OF DOING THAT, I BELIEVE IT HAS THE ABILITY TO FUND SOME, UH, IMPROVEMENTS, UH, TO A PUBLIC LIBRARY AS LONG AS IT REMAINS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          THANK YOU, BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR JOLENE, ON THE HUMANE SOCIETY, YOU MENTIONED, WELL, IT, IT SAYS ON THE PAGE THAT THE, THE GROUP BELIEVES THAT THE REQUEST WAS ALIGNED WITH SEDONAS FAIR SHARE OF COSTS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU FELT LIKE THE COSTS WEREN'T TRANSPARENT. 
          HOW DID YOU GAIN CONFIDENCE THEN THAT THE ASK WAS FAIR FROM A SEDONA FAIR SHARE PERSPECTIVE? I THINK, UH, WHEN WE MET WITH ANNETTE, UH, AND UH, SHE EXPLAINED THAT WITHOUT THE SUPPORT WE MIGHT HAVE STRAYS, UM, THAT WOULD BE A, A REAL PROBLEM THAT THAT HAD HAPPENED IN ANOTHER CITY THAT SHE WAS FAMILIAR WITH. 
          AND OF COURSE, NONE OF US WOULD WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHAT ABOUT LIKE, OWNER SURRENDERS? LIKE WE'VE HEARD THAT THAT'S BEEN A INCREASING ISSUE AND YOU KNOW, IS, ARE, IS THE CITY BEING ASKED TO ESSENTIALLY SUPPORT OWNER SURRENDERS AT THIS POINT? YES, I BELIEVE SO. 
          AND THAT, AND YOU ALL FELT LIKE THAT WAS A FAIR SHARE IN A SENSE THAT, THAT THE CITY WOULD COVER OWNER SURRENDERS. 
          IF THE CITY DOES NOT COVER THAT, THEN POTENTIALLY THOSE, UM, ANIMALS BECOME STRAYS AND THAT CAN BE A HUGE PROBLEM. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN ON THE LIBRARY, THIS MAY BE A QUESTION THAT MY COLLEAGUES MIGHT HAVE AS MUCH OF AN ANSWER FOR AS ANY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE NUMBER, THE AMOUNT THAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDING IN SUPPORT TO THE LIBRARY HAS GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE OF YAVAPAI COUNTY DECREASING 
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SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, SUPPORT NOT JUST TO OUR LIBRARY, BUT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. 
          DO WE KNOW, IS THERE ANY CHANCE INTENT TO RESTORE FUNDING FROM THE COUNTY TO A LEVEL AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY? I BELIEVE SO. 
          IF I COULD JUST POINT OUT THOUGH, WHEN YOU SAID THAT IT WAS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY THAT WAS LOST, NOT TO THE SAME PERCENTAGE AS SEDONA WAS LOST, BECAUSE THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE COUNTY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT AT THE TIME, WAS BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN A MUNICIPALITY, IT WAS THE MUNICIPALITY'S, UH, BURDEN TO FUND. 
          SO, ALTHOUGH OTHER, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SLIGHT DECREASES TO RURAL AREA OUTSIDE MUNICIPALITIES, IT WAS NOT TO THE SAME DEGREE LOSS OF FUNDING FROM THE COUNTY AS WE EXPERIENCED TO ALL MUNICIPALITIES, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          BUT NO, NO SENSE THAT THAT IS GONNA GET RIGHTED PER SE. 
          NO, BUT I, I WANNA MENTION ONE THING, AND I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS. 
          MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING WE COULD GET BEFORE THE DOWNTURN IN THE ECONOMY IN 2000 9, 10, 11 THAT RECESSION THE LIBRARY, ALL THE SERVICE PROVIDERS TOOK A HIT IN, I THINK IT WAS 2010 OR 11, AND THE LIBRARY VOLUNTEERED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY. 
          AND THEN AFTER THAT RECESSION WAS OVER, THEY CAME BACK AND ASKED FOR THE CITY TO FUND THAT ENTIRE DIFFERENCE, WHICH THE CITY DID NOT DO AT THE TIME. 
          NOW OVER THE, AND THAT WAS WHAT, IN 2000 AND AT LEAST SIX YEARS, 15 OR OH 14. 
          ANYWAY, THEY CAME BACK AND THEY ASKED FOR IT, BUT THE CITY DIDN'T GIVE THEM THE, THE ENTIRE AMOUNT. 
          SO THERE WAS, I, I WANNA THINK IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE $400,000, BUT I, I JUST DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER. 
          DO YOU REMEMBER? I DON'T RECALL A NUMBER. 
          I JUST REMEMBER THERE BEING AN ISSUE WITH FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY AND WHAT WERE THEY DOING AND NOT HAVING AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT THE LIBRARY OVER A PERIOD OF TIME AND HOW WE'RE FUNDING, HOW, HOW THAT FUNDING HAS, UH, BEEN REDUCED AND THEN GONE BACK UP. 
          I'M GOOD. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE AP CONTRACTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED? OKAY, GO AHEAD JOLENE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, THE PROVIDERS THAT WERE NOT FULLY SUPPORTED INCLUDE THE, UH, SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          WE SUPPORTED THEM EXCEPT FOR THANK YOU, EXCEPT FOR THEIR ONE TIME REQUEST OF $75,000. 
          UM, AND THE ONE REASON WE RECOMMENDED AGAINST THAT WAS BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT THE, UM, WAY THEY INTENDED TO SPEND IT WAS KIND OF LIKE PUTTING A BANDAID ON A HEART ATTACK, . 
          UM, THEY HAVE A, UH, BUILDING THAT IS COMPLETELY UNINSULATED AND THEY WANTED TO PUT IN, UH, MINI SPLITS AND WE JUST THOUGHT, NO, THAT'S NOT THE CURE FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROBLEM. 
          UM, DO YOU WANNA TAKE THIS ONE AT A TIME? UH, YEAH. 
          HOW DO YOU WANNA ASK YOU, WE, WE SHOULD BRING UP, I THINK THE, GIVE THE, THE SERVICE PROVIDERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COUNTER THAT. 
          DO YOU WANNA DO THAT NOW WITH THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND THEN MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE OR GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE AND THEN ASK THEM TO COME UP? WHAT DO YOU PREFER? I THINK ONE BY ONE MAKES SENSE. 
          YEAH, I THINK ONE BY ONE MAKES SENSE. 
          SO MARJORIE, DO YOU WANNA COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THAT CORRECTION? CORRECTION? UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS IS A TYPO. 
          IT SAYS THAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS 302,825. 
          THE REQUEST WAS 342,825. 
          SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A TYPO. 
          AND YOU, IT'S NOT A TYPO. 
          IT IS NOT A TYPO. 
          THEY'RE REQUEST REQUEST. 
          SO THEY DID NOT RECOMMEND THE FULL REQUEST EITHER. 
          SO IT WASN'T JUST THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT THE ONE TIME, THEY ALSO WANTED TO REDUCE THE REQUEST AMOUNT. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE 'CAUSE EVERYTHING WAS THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THE FOUR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UM, SO MARGIE, JUST YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. 
          I'M, I'M SORRY. 
          I'M MARJORIE HARRIS. 
          I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          UH, 
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AND OUR PRIMARY MISSION IS TO SUPPORT THE SENIOR CITIZENS OF SEDONA. 
          AND WE DO ALSO IN SUPPORT UNINCORPORATED SECTIONS OF YAVAPAI COUNTY, SUCH AS THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK. 
          BUT OUR PRIMARY FOCUS IS THE CITY OF SEDONA. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE'VE BEEN IN EXISTENCE, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, UH, FOR OVER 40 YEARS, UH, DOING BUSINESS OUT OF OUR CURRENT LOCATION. 
          THE BUILDING IS AT LEAST 50 YEARS OLD. 
          IT WAS A CLUBHOUSE BEFORE IT WAS OURS. 
          SO DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT THE 41ST OR THE 75? EITHER ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          BOTH OF THEM, BUT IN WHATEVER ORDER YOU WANT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE, THE 75,000 CAPITAL, UH, IMPROVEMENT. 
          UM, THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT WAS FOCUSED ON TWO ITEMS. WE ARE BUILT ON A HILLSIDE AND MY BUILDING HAS NO ACCESS INTO THE BACKYARD. 
          UH, OTHER THAN STEPS AND OR ELSE GOING OUT AROUND THE BUILDING, STEPS ARE NOT A GOOD THING TO DO FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE 75 OR 80 YEARS OLD. 
          SO IT HAS BEEN A MISSION OF MINE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE TO GET A RAMP PUT IN THE BACK. 
          UH, PARTLY IT IS ALSO AN A DA ISSUE FOR US BECAUSE IF THERE IS A FIRE, AND WE HOPE THAT NEVER HAPPENS, BUT IF THERE WERE A FIRE, I COULD NOT EVACUATE MY SENIORS OUT THE BACK. 
          I CAN ONLY EVACUATE THEM OUT THE FRONT. 
          AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE AWARE OF SAFETY ISSUES, THAT IS A VERY BIG CONCERN FOR ME. 
          UH, SO FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW, THE RAMP IS A HIGH PRIORITY FOR US. 
          UH, AND SO THAT WAS PART OF OUR ASK. 
          THE OTHER PART OF THE ASK WAS FOR MANY SPLITS TO BE PUT IN OUR LARGE ROOM, WHICH IS OUR DINING AREA. 
          UM, YES, IT IS TRUE THAT OUR BUILDING IS UNINSULATED. 
          PART OF IT IS A METAL BUILDING THAT WAS CONVERTED OVER, UM, INSULATION WAS NOT DONE 40 SOME ODD YEARS AGO. 
          AND THAT'S A BIG ITEM FOR US. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO INSULATE THE BUILDING AND IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO HELP ME DO THAT, THEN I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT IDEA. 
          UH, SO OUR TEMPORARY SOLUTION, OUR SHORT TERM SOLUTION, WE HAD SOME CONTRACTORS LOOK AT IT AND SAID THEY COULD COOL THE FLYNN ROOM, UH, WITH THREE MINI SPLITS. 
          I WILL TELL YOU THAT IN THE AFTERNOON WHEN THE SUMMERS COME, THAT ROOM GETS TO BE ALMOST 90 DEGREES AND YOU CAN'T COMFORTABLY HAVE PEOPLE IN A 90 DEGREE ROOM AGAIN, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE 75 OR 80 YEARS OLD. 
          SO THAT WAS THE PURPOSE BEHIND THE 75,000. 
          UM, IT WASN'T THE GREATEST SOLUTION, I GUESS, IN MANY WAYS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT CAME TO THE FLYNN ROOM, BUT THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE THAT OPTION IS BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE SOMETHING WE COULD DO. 
          IT WAS ACHIEVABLE AND, UM, I ESPECIALLY IF I WERE GONNA MAKE A PLEA, I WOULD ESPECIALLY PLEA FOR THE RAMP BECAUSE THAT'S MY A DA CONSIDERATION AND MY CONCERN ABOUT EVER HAVING TO EVACUATE THE SENIORS. 
          SO THAT IS THE ONE TIME REQUEST THE FULL BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO THE OTHER UHHUH . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, HOW DID THAT BREAK OUT, THE 75 IN CAPITAL FOR BOTH PROJECTS? HOW DOES THAT BREAK OUT FOR PROJECT? YEAH. 
          UM, THE RAMP QUOTE THAT WE HAD, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET A LOT OF QUOTES, BUT THE ONE RAMP QUOTE WE HAD WAS AROUND $20,000. 
          UH, SO THE REST OF THAT WOULD'VE BEEN WITH THE MINI SPLITS, BUYING THE MINI SPLITS AND HAVING THEM IN INSTALLED. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE THE BASIC BREAKOUT. 
          UH, AGAIN, IF WE WERE AWARDED ANY OF THIS MONEY, WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY GO OUT AND HAVE MULTIPLE BIDS AND FIND, UH, THE BEST, THE BEST PROVIDER WHO WOULD BE SOMEONE WHO WAS RELIABLE AND GONNA GIMME EQUIPMENT AND RAMPS THAT WORKED, BUT ALSO A REASONABLE COST. 
          SO THAT WAS A, A SWAG AT WHAT WE WOULD WANNA DO REGARDING THE, UH, MINI SPLITS, THE 90 DEGREE TEMPERATURES. 
          UM, AND I'VE EXPERIENCED THEM IN THAT ROOM AS WELL. 
          UM, YES. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, HAS THAT CAUSED SUSPENSION OF PROGRAMS AT ANY TIME? YEAH, WE DON'T TYPICALLY RENT THAT ROOM, QUITE HONESTLY, IN THE AFTERNOON, UH, IN THE SUMMERTIME, UH, I DO HAVE ONE GROUP, UH, THE WATERCOLOR CLASS WHO BLESS THEIR HEARTS, HAVE STUCK WITH IT. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE DAYS WHEN THEY LEAVE EARLY BECAUSE IT'S JUST, THEY COME IN AT ONE 15 AND IT GETS HOTTER AND HOTTER AND HOTTER. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW, PERSONALLY, I DON'T 
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KNOW HOW THEY STAY IN THERE. 
          I WILL ALSO SAY THAT THE OFFICES, THE KITCHEN IS THE, IS SEPARATE AND THEY HAVE MINI SPLITS TO KEEP THEM COOL. 
          UH, BECAUSE THE KITCHEN GETS VERY HOT. 
          UM, MY OFFICE AND, UH, THE OTHER OFFICES ARE ALSO IN THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT DOESN'T HAVE AIR CONDITIONING. 
          MY OFFICE GETS ABOVE 80, BUT I'M COOLING IT BY HAVING ONE. 
          YOU KNOW, THOSE LITTLE THINGS YOU SEE ADVERTISED WHERE YOU PUT ICE IN AND IT BLOWS THE AIR OVER THE ICE. 
          UH, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE DIRECTED ON MY DESK. 
          UH, I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF A HIGH PRIORITY 'CAUSE I CAN COOL MYSELF THAT WAY. 
          UH, BUT I DO CONSIDER, I WORRY ABOUT THE SENIORS, UH, QUITE HONESTLY. 
          AND LATELY WE'VE HAD WARM TEMPERATURES AND THAT ROOM HAS BEEN IN THE EIGHTIES ALREADY THIS YEAR, WHICH IS KIND OF MIND BOGGLING. 
          IT EVERY SUMMER IT'S GETTING WORSE. 
          I KNOW, I'LL SAY THE BAD WORD, GLOBAL WARMING. 
          UH, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT OF LATE SEDONA HAS EXPERIENCED SEVERAL VERY WARM SUMMERS. 
          AND I HAVE SEEN A PROGRESSION OVER FOUR YEARS. 
          'CAUSE I'VE BEEN AT THE CENTER FOR FOUR YEARS AND I HAVE SEEN A PROGRESSION OF THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY IT HAS NEVER BEEN ADDRESSED PREVIOUSLY, BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED. 
          SO IF WE CAN DO ANYTHING FOR THAT, I WOULD BE ECSTATIC. 
          ANY SOLUTION. 
          AND REGARDING THE, THE RAMP, SO CLIENTS IN THE CENTER NOW, SOME OF THEM ARE EXPERIENCING, UH, IS THERE A CHALLENGE AND OBSTACLE TO UTILIZING THE BACK AREA? YES, I DO HAVE SEVERAL SENIORS WHO THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO ADMIT IT, OF COURSE, BUT I HAVE SEVERAL SENIORS WHO HAVE LIMITED MOBILITY. 
          UM, THEY USE CANES. 
          UM, SOMETIMES I HAVE SENIORS WHO COME IN WITH WALKERS, UH, OCCASIONALLY A WHEELCHAIR. 
          UM, BUT YES, I DO HAVE, UM, I HAVE A SENIOR WHO BASICALLY IS AT A 90 DEGREE ANGLE OF HIS BODY. 
          THERE IS NO WAY HE CAN DO STAIRS. 
          UH, AND I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NEVER THINK HAVING HAD AN EMERGENCY WHERE THAT WAS AN ISSUE. 
          BUT I HAVE WORKED IN BUSINESSES WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN EMERGENCIES AND I'VE HAD TO EVACUATE BUILDINGS. 
          SO I AM VERY EXPERIENCED IN THAT. 
          AND, UM, IT IS A CONCERN. 
          IT IS A VERY BIG SAFETY ISSUE. 
          RIGHT. 
          MARJORIE, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY CHANCE MARJORIE OF, UH, UH, RETROFITTING THE BUILDING TO INSULATE ANY PORTION OF THAT PARTICULAR ROOM? YEAH, I, I'M SURE THERE IS. 
          UM, I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT EXPLORED IT BECAUSE I KNOW I DO NOT HAVE FUNDS FOR THAT. 
          I, I KNOW IT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE IT WOULD BE. 
          I WILL ADMIT THAT I'VE NEVER HAD A CONTRACTOR OUT AND COME TELL ME HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO INSULATE THAT BUILDING. 
          UM, I MEAN TO, I'M, I'M SURE IT COULD BE DONE. 
          I MEAN, THE, TO THE WORKING GROUP, IF THAT ROOM WERE INSULATED, WOULD YOU HAVE SAID YES TO THIS REQUEST? THERE WERE, THERE WERE SEVERAL SUGGESTIONS MADE BY VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE, UH, COM WORKING GROUP, AND THEY WERE ALL, UH, REJECTED. 
          SO WE DID GIVE IT, UM, CAREFUL CONSIDERATION BEFORE WE SAID, NO, WE DON'T THINK THIS IS A, A GOOD PLAN. 
          UM, IT ISN'T THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          WE CERTAINLY DO. 
          BUT, UM, WE JUST FELT THAT, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR, FOR THAT PARTICULAR EXPENDITURE, IT WAS NOT THE BEST USE OF THE MONEY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND WOULD NOT GIVE THE BEST RESULTS EITHER. 
          UM, WHY, IF I COULD ASK JOLENE, WHY, WHY THOUGH? DID THE COMMITTEE REVIEW THESE SEPARATELY? THE, THE ENTIRE ASK FOR TWO PROJECTS WAS REJECTED. 
          SO WAS THERE, WERE THEY CONSIDERED SEPARATELY? BECAUSE I'M INTERESTED IN THE THOUGHTS ON THE A DA RAMP. 
          WE, WE DID CONSIDER THEM SEPARATELY. 
          UM, I THINK THERE WAS SOME, UM, QUESTION ABOUT THE COST OF THE A DA RAMP, UM, NOT THE NEED FOR IT. 
          UM, BUT THAT PERHAPS ANOTHER 
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FEW, UM, PROPOSALS FOR PUTTING THAT IN WOULD'VE BEEN MORE HELPFUL. 
          BUT THE NEED WAS RECOGNIZED BY THE COMMITTEE. 
          THE NEED WAS RECOGNIZED. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE EXPENDITURE WE THOUGHT WAS, UM, TOO HIGH. 
          OR PERHAPS WE, WE JUST DON'T LIKE TO, WE DIDN'T LIKE SEEING THAT THERE WAS JUST ONE BID MAYOR, UH, OR BARBARA. 
          TODAY IS THIS JUST OVERVIEW ON THESE AND NEXT WEEK WE'RE GONNA BE THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN ON ALL THESE? IS THAT THE PROCESS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I GET THE SENSE THAT THERE'S SOME DESIRE TO TRY TO PROBLEM SOLVE HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I'M JUST DOING THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO PROCEED ON THIS, MADAM MAYOR, ARE WE GONNA DO EACH ONE OF THESE? YES. 
          EACH ONE SEPARATELY AND WITH REBUTTALS, OR WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? YEAH, JUST LIKE WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT, AND, AND, UH, VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS IN THE LIBRARY JUST ARRIVED. 
          SO WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS WE WANT TO GO BACK AND ASK THEM, BUT LET'S FINISH WITH MARJORIE AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND THEN SEDONA RECYCLES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I WILL ADD THE COMMENTS IS THAT WE PROVIDED THEM WITH SOME ALTERNATIVES, UH, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTOR PARTICIPATION. 
          UH, THERE'S SINGLE BIDS WERE A REAL PROBLEM TO US VERSUS, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING A BETTER THOUGHT OUT APPROACH AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY NEEDED A BETTER JUSTIFICATION. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY COULD GET SOMEBODY, A CONTRACTOR TO VOLUNTEER TO SPRAY FOAM IT, THEN THE, WE'D APPROVE THE SPLITS. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, AIR CONDITIONING AND A STEEL BUILDING WAS NOT REALLY FOR US, A GOOD, A GOOD BUSINESS SOLUTION AND THE GOOD SPEND OF THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, IF WE COULD CUT THIS ONE AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          WELL, NO, WE STILL HAVEN'T, WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, MARJORIE, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, YES. 
          THE US DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE HAS, THEY RE REHAB, THEY GIVE MONEY TO REHAB BUILDINGS MM-HMM . 
          AND THEY HAVE TWO PROGRAMS, A GRANT PROGRAM, AND A VERY LOW COST LOAN PROGRAM. 
          AND THERE HAVE BEEN ORGANIZATIONS IN SEDONA THAT HAVE RECEIVED SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO EITHER BUILD FROM SCRATCH OR REHAB A BUILDING. 
          SO I SUGGEST THEY MAY BE SOMEONE YOU WANT TO, UH, INQUIRE ABOUT. 
          AND THEY HAVE AN OFFICE IN PHOENIX AND A LEADER IN PHOENIX FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, REGION. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WOULD BE TERRIFIC. 
          MAYOR, CAN I ASK, WELL GO, ACTUALLY, I'M GONNA ASK THIS, BRIAN. 
          UM, NACO, DOES NACOG HAVE ANY, UM, GRANT PROGRAMS OR PROGRAMS THAT THEY COULD USE SINCE THIS IS DEALING WITH SENIORS IN NORTHERN ARIZONA RURAL AREA? MARGIE WOULD ACTUALLY KNOW BETTER THAN I WOULD GIVEN  HER PRIOR EXPERIENCE WITH NA CO'S COUNCIL ON AGING. 
          BUT HAVING SAID THAT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT THOSE PROGRAM FUNDS GENERALLY ARE WELL FOR PROGRAMS LIKE SUPPORTING MEALS ON WHEELS, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND NOT CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR A PARTICULAR NONPROFIT CENTER, RIGHT? THAT, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, THEY WILL, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE PROGRAMS WHERE IF A SENIOR HAS A PROBLEM IN THEIR HOME OR WHATEVER, UH, THEY DO HAVE PROGRAMS THAT WILL SERVICE THAT NEED IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          BUT YES, THAT'S CORRECT, BRIAN. 
          THEY, THEY UNFORTUNATELY DON'T EXTEND THAT KIND OF SUPPORT TO THE SENIOR CENTERS. 
          SO, UM, OKAY. 
          SO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE 45? WELL, HOLD ON A SECOND. 
          I, I THINK DEREK HAS A QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AM I SAFE IN ASSUMING THAT EVEN IF THE BUILDING WERE FULLY INSULATED, YOU'D STILL NEED AIR CONDITIONING UNITS? WELL, ACTUALLY, I THINK IF THE BUILDING WAS FULLY INSULATED, BECAUSE I HAVE, UM, AN HVAC SYSTEM, UH, ON THAT, I HAVE TWO HVAC SYSTEMS AND, UH, ONE, THE ONE THAT SERVICES THAT PART OF THE BUILDING WOULD DO A MUCH BETTER JOB OF HOLDING THE TEMPERATURES IF I HAD INSULATION. 
          THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND HOW MANY SENIORS DO YOU SERVE? JUST BALLPARK, IN THE BUILDING FOR LUNCH? UM, I CAN HAVE UP TO 50 IN THE BUILDING FOR LUNCH. 
          UH, AND THEN IN THE, IN THE DIFFERENT MEETING ROOMS, SOMETIMES, 
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YOU KNOW, I CAN HAVE, UH, 75 SENIORS IN THE BUILDING AT ANY ONE TIME FOR DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES. 
          UM, BUT IT'S ONLY THE ONE PART OF THE BUILDING THAT IS A PROBLEM. 
          THE OTHER PART, IT'S ACTUALLY TWO BUILDINGS TOGETHER. 
          UM, AND A BUILDING, A SECTION WAS ADDED TO THE BUILDING A WHILE BACK. 
          I DO NOT KNOW WHEN THAT WAS DONE. 
          AND THAT PART OF THE BUILDING IS A REAL BUILDING AND IT'S INSULATED AND THAT, THAT HVAC WORKS WELL. 
          UM, IT'S JUST THE HALF OF THE BUILDING. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE OFFICES, THE FLYNN ROOM, WHICH IS OUR DINING, OUR ACTIVITY ROOM, AND THE KITCHEN IS, UM, THAT'S THE ORIGINAL BUILDING THAT WAS NEVER INSULATED FOR WHATEVER REASON. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT CBDG FUNDS. 
          SO WE WOUND UP MOVING THAT GRANT TO VERDE VALLEY HABITAT. 
          LAST I REMEMBER, THEY STILL HADN'T IDENTIFIED FULL USE OF THOSE FUNDS. 
          DO WE KNOW, IS THAT POSSIBLE? SO WE THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. 
          COUNCILOR FOLTZ, UM, EXCUSE ME. 
          WE DID INQUIRE, UM, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THOSE CDBG FUNDS FOR WEATHERIZATION WOULD BE ELIGIBLE IN THIS CASE, AND THEY'RE NOT, BECAUSE IT WAS SET UP FOR RESIDENTIAL USE. 
          HOW, AND I AM BEEN SAVING MY COMMENTS FOR WHEN WE GET TO, UM, CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDATIONS LATER, ONCE YOU'RE DONE WITH ALL YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT WE CAN TALK FURTHER ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MORRICK, YOU'VE MOVE ON TO THE 40,000. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO OUR ORIGINAL ASK, WHICH WAS THE 3 4 2 8 25, UM, THE 40,000 DIFFERENCE, I, I THINK IS PARTLY STEMS FROM NOT FULLY UNDERSTANDING THE NATURE OF OUR BUSINESS AND OUR ACTIVITY. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, WE HAVE BEEN HIT WITH INCREASED COST AS WE KNOW THAT THE COST OF FOOD IS WAY UP. 
          UH, THE COST OF SUPPLIES, THAT'S, THAT THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO RUN THE KITCHEN HAS SKYROCKETED AS WELL. 
          UM, UTILITIES ARE CLEARLY UP. 
          SO WE HAVE SEEN A GREAT AMOUNT OF INCREASE IN COST. 
          AND WHEN I PUT TOGETHER THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, UM, TRYING TO BE AS FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE AS I CAN BE, UM, I CAME OUT WITH THE NEED TO HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY. 
          UM, WE ARE OUR OPERATION, THE HEART OF OUR OPERATION, AND THE BIGGEST DRIVER OF OUR EXPENSES IS THE KITCHEN. 
          UH, THE HEART OF OUR OPERATION IS THE KITCHEN. 
          UH, WE EXIST TO PROVIDE, WE EXIST FOR THE SENIORS, AND WE PROVIDE MANY ACTIVITIES. 
          BUT THE CRITICAL ACTIVITY THAT WE DO PROVIDE TO THE SENIORS, AS MANY, UH, MOST OF YOU I, I KNOW, KNOW, IS MEALS. 
          UH, AND ANY ONE DAY I'M GONNA SERVE HOME, DELIVER MEALS, A HUNDRED MEALS, UH, OUT THE DOOR. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, I CAN SERVE A HUNDRED WITH THE IN-HOUSE. 
          I CAN SERVE IN ANY ONE DAY, UP TO 150 MEALS. 
          UH, THAT'S A MASS PRODUCTION, KIND OF LIKE A SMALL RESTAURANT. 
          UH, THIS REQUIRES ME TO BRING IN LARGE VOLUMES OF FOOD. 
          WE SERVE VERY, VERY GOOD FOOD. 
          WE DO NOT MAKE SHORTCUTS. 
          WE DON'T SERVE OUR SENIORS A LOT OF CANNED FOOD, UH, WHICH IS HIGH IN SALT AND OTHER PRESERVATIVES. 
          SO WE TRY TO TAKE A VERY TARGETED GOOD APPROACH TO MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE AN EXCELLENT DIET. 
          UH, AND SO WE'RE CRANKING OUT THESE MEALS AND IT'S COSTING US MONEY. 
          UH, THE SUPPLIES THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE MEALS HAVE GONE UP, UH, TREMENDOUSLY. 
          I, I KNOW THAT'S LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, BUT IT'S TRUE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, WE ALL EXPERIENCE THAT. 
          UM, I HAVE DONE EVERYTHING I CAN, WHENEVER I CAN. 
          I WRITE GRANTS, ET CETERA. 
          AND I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET SOME GRANTS LATELY TO START RE REMODEL OUR, UH, EQUIPMENT, ET CETERA, IN THE KITCHEN. 
          I'VE GOT NEW STEAM TABLES. 
          I BOUGHT A NEW DISHWASHER. 
          SO I'M NOT LOOKING TO THE CITY TO GIVE ME ANY SUPPORT IN THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY. 
          I AM FINDING WAYS TO PROVIDE THOSE KIND OF RESOURCES THAT I NEED TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS. 
          BUT EVERY DAY I HAVE TO SEND OUT THESE TRAYS AND THEY HAVE TO BE SEALED. 
          UM, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT'S COST ME A COUPLE OF THOUSAND DOLLARS EVERY THREE OR FOUR MONTHS JUST TO HAVE THE PLASTIC TRAYS AND THE SEALANT. 
          I NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEND OUT THESE MEALS, 100 MEALS 
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A DAY TO OUR SENIORS THAT ARE SAFE AND ARE KEPT HOT. 
          UH, I HAVE EXPENSES THAT ARE GOING OUT ON HOT BAGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, SO I THINK, I THINK WE GET IT. 
          THAT'S, YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S WHY, I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR THE 3 42. 
          UM, I'M SURE THAT THE COMMITTEE PROBABLY THOUGHT THAT THERE WERE WAYS THAT I COULD REDUCE COSTS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE WAYS ARE. 
          UM, AND I'M ALWAYS LOOKING TO REDUCE COSTS. 
          I'M VERY FISCALLY, I BELIEVE I'M A VERY FISCALLY RESPONSIVE INDIVIDUAL. 
          UH, SO THANK, THANK YOU, MARJORIE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE NEED TO MOVE ON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          JOLENE, DO YOU WANNA RESPOND AT ALL THE COMMITTEE'S? THINKING ABOUT THE $40,000? I, I DON'T THINK I NEED TO TAKE YOUR TIME WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS MARJORIE. 
          LET'S MOVE ON TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, WE FULLY SUPPORTED THEIR $200,000 REQUEST, BUT WE REJECTED THE ONE TIME REQUEST, UM, WHICH HAD TO DO WITH THE CEMETERY AND, UM, THE, WHICH IS OWNED BY THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. 
          UM, AND THE WALL IS OWNED BY THE CITY, AS I UNDERSTAND THAT SORT OF CONFUSING. 
          UH, WE WERE IMPRESSED BY THEIR PROGRESS, UM, AND BY THEIR WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY TO, UM, MAKE THE HISTORY OF SEDONA MORE APPEALING, MORE, MORE, UM, OBVIOUS, MORE AVAILABLE. 
          UM, THEY HAVE A STRONG BALANCE SHEET, UH, 1.1 MILLION, AND WE FELT THAT THEY NEEDED TO PAY FOR THAT IMPROVEMENT RATHER THAN HAVING THE CITY PAY FOR IT. 
          THIS IS A WALL THAT THEY WANTED TO BUILD. 
          I THINK IT'S LIKE ON RIGHT AT THE END OF THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, NOT FOR IT. 
          IT'S PURELY, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, IT WAS PURELY FOR AESTHETICS, NOT FOR SAFETY OR, OR TO DELINEATE THEIR BOUNDARY BECAUSE IT NEEDED TO BE DELINEATED. 
          IT JUST NEEDED, IT WOULD, THEY JUST WANTED TO DO IT FOR AESTHETICS SO THAT, UM, IT WOULD BE MORE APPEALING FOR SPECIAL EVENTS AND, AND THEY COULD RENT OUT THE SPACE. 
          SO, UM, WE REJECTED THAT 40,000, AND THAT WAS ALSO NOT UNANIMOUS. 
          UH, THAT WAS, UM, THREE TO FIVE VOTE OF THE EIGHT. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE WE DID REALLY CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF ALL THESE THINGS. 
          WE, WE GOT THEIR PACKAGES AHEAD OF TIME. 
          WE WENT THROUGH THOSE, UH, THE PROVIDERS CAME AND MADE PRESENTATIONS. 
          WE ASKED THEM QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE DISCUSSED, UM, ALL AMONG OURSELVES. 
          AND SO I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THE PROVIDERS AND THE PUBLIC, AND YOU ALSO THE COUNCIL ALSO, TO KNOW THAT THESE WERE NOT QUICK KNEE JERK DECISIONS. 
          WE REALLY DEBATED, DISCUSSED, HEARD ALL KINDS OF PROS AND CONS, AND THEN MADE OUR DECISIONS. 
          AND THEY WEREN'T ALWAYS, UH, UNANIMOUS. 
          AS I, WE APPRECIATE THAT. 
          TRIED TO POINT OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU WANNA COME, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY? I THINK WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE DIRECTOR. 
          OKAY. 
          HI, NATE. 
          THANKS, NATE. 
          MAYOR, MAYOR COUNCIL. 
          UM, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND, UH, THANK YOU TO THE CITIZEN BUDGET WORKING GROUP FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO THEM, UM, AND, UH, FOR THEIR INPUT ON THIS PROCESS. 
          UM, SPEAKING TO THE 40,000, BREAKING IT UP INTO THE TWO PARTS. 
          SO THE, THE FIRST PART I'LL ADDRESS IS THE, THE $25,000. 
          'CAUSE THIS IS THE LESS COMPLEX ONE AS, UH,  CITY MANAGER KNOWS. 
          UM, THE, UH, $25,000 REQUEST, UH, HAS TO DO WITH IMPROVEMENTS TO COOK'S. 
          CEDAR GLADES CEMETERY, WHICH, UH, WAS CORRECTLY POINTED OUT, IS OWNED BY THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY. 
          IT IS THE, 
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UH, FINAL RESTING PLACE OF SEDONA SCHLEY, HER HUSBAND TC AND THEIR DAUGHTER PEARL. 
          UH, AS WELL AS, UH, MANY OTHER, UM, UH, EARLY SETTLERS. 
          UM, THIS IS AN ACTIVE CEMETERY. 
          UM, THERE ARE STILL BURIALS. 
          UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING ONE, UM, VERY SOON, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          BUT, UH, UM, THE RULE IS, UH, BEFORE ANYBODY GETS EXCITED AND SAYS, I CAN BE BURIED THERE, UM, THE RULE IS YOU HAVE TO BE, UH, DESCENDED FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S ALREADY ENTERED THERE. 
          UM, AND IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY THERE, YOU'VE SEEN IT'S, IT'S KIND OF BOUNDED BY SOME OLD RUSTY, UH, CATTLE FENCES, UH, A COUPLE OF, OF GATES. 
          UM, ONE FOR, FOR, UH, PEOPLE TO ACCESS, ONE FOR EQUIPMENT TO ACCESS FOR, FOR FUNERALS. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO WITH THAT IS IMPROVE IT, TO MAKE IT A POINT OF PRIDE FOR THE CITY, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTS HERE, FOR, UH, THE FAMILIES OF, OF THE PEOPLE IN TURD THERE, UH, REALLY MAKE IT A POINT OF PRIDE FOR, FOR EVERYBODY. 
          UM, IT IS A PLACE WHERE, UH, PEOPLE GO. 
          WE KNOW PEOPLE GO THERE BECAUSE, UH, THERE ARE REGULAR CLEANUPS OF THE SCHLEY, UH, , THE SCHLEY SITES WHERE THAT WE'VE GOTTA CLEAN UP. 
          AND, UH, AND PETE'S LAUGHING 'CAUSE I, I KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, LISA'S PROBABLY LISA, UH, SCHLEY HEIDINGER HAS PROBABLY TALKED TO YOU ABOUT, UH, THEIR EFFORTS TO KEEP IT CLEAN. 
          UM, SO PEOPLE ARE FINDING THEIR WAY THERE. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE SEEKING TO DO IS MAKE IT A POINT OF PRIDE. 
          A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN LEARN ABOUT NOT ONLY SEDONA AND AND TC AND PEARL, BUT UH, LEARN THE STORIES OF EVERYBODY WHO'S BURIED THERE. 
          'CAUSE I ALL HAVE A STORY TO TELL. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE WANNA DO IS JUST IMPROVE THE WALLS ON THREE SIDES. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT BACKSIDE KIND OF HAS A RUNDOWN RICKETY WOODEN WALL RIGHT NOW. 
          WE WANNA IMPROVE THAT. 
          WE WANNA IMPROVE THE EAST SIDE. 
          WE WANNA IMPROVE THE, THE SOUTH SIDE FACING, UM, ELKS ROAD THERE. 
          UM, WE WANNA IMPROVE THE GATES, UH, AND, AND THE ENTRY POINTS, UM, WITH SOME NICE RED ROCK PEDESTALS. 
          AND, AND THERE IS A NICE, UM, ARCHWAY NOW ON ONE OF 'EM, ADD AN ARCHWAY ON THE OTHER UMS AND REALLY JUST BEAUTIFY IT. 
          UH, MAYBE ADD SOME, SOME SEEDING, ADD SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, SIGNAGE AND INTERPRETATION. 
          SO WHEN PEOPLE SHOW UP, THEY, THEY KNOW, UM, THE HISTORY AND THE STORIES OF THAT PLACE. 
          UM, THE $25,000 IS BASED ON, UH, AS KATHY LEVIN MENTIONED IN HER COMMENTS EARLIER, THE BANEY GROUP AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, DONATED $25,000 TO THIS IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. 
          AND SO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IS ASKING THE CITY TO MATCH OUR LARGEST DONOR TO THAT PROJECT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          PERHAPS ANETTE COULD HELP ME UNDERSTAND IF THE WALL IS OWNED BY THE CITY, UM, WHY WOULDN'T WE BE PUTTING THIS IN AS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT ON THE CITY? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNSELOR. 
          KINSELLA. 
          UM, SO AS YOU KNOW, WE OWN THE PROPERTY, THE HISTORIC SOCIETY, UM, LEASES THAT FROM US. 
          AND IN THAT LEASE THERE IS A PROVISION THAT SAYS TENANT IMPROVEMENTS OR, YOU KNOW, THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AND THEY NEED TO ASK FOR OUR PERMISSION. 
          HOWEVER, I'M NOT SURE, UM, THAT, I THINK THAT WAS, WELL, KURT WILL JUMP IN AND CORRECT ME AS THE LAY PERSON READING THAT AND THINKING ABOUT THE INTENT OF THAT LEASE TO OPERATE THE MUSEUM. 
          I'M THINKING IN MY HEAD, OKAY. 
          THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT TENANT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BUILDING, TO THE INTERIOR, TO UH, FACILITATE THE MUSEUM SERVICES. 
          SO THE GROUNDS ARE ACTUALLY CONSIDERED A CITY PARK MM-HMM . 
          AND SO I DID TALK TO OUR PARKS DIRECTOR ABOUT THEIR REQUEST AND WE DO HAVE STANDARDS WRITTEN AND LOOK AND FEEL AND DESIGN FOR THESE TYPES OF ROCK WALLS AND THINGS IN OTHER CITY PARKS. 
          AND SO I THINK IT IS OKAY TO ASK LIKE, SHOULD THE CITY JUST GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF THIS? BECAUSE IT IS A CITY PARK FACILITY, WE WOULD WANT IT, THE WORK DONE TO MATCH OUR STANDARDS. 
          UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE IS A SAFETY ISSUE INVOLVED BECAUSE OF THE, UM, DROP OFF FROM THE EDGE OF THAT, UH, SITE DOWN INTO THE WASH, UM, WHEN PEOPLE ARE OUT ON THAT FACILITY, UM, THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS AS WELL. 
          SO, UH, I WAS NOT AWARE OF IT. 
          UM, THE REQUEST IN TIME FOR OUR PREPARATION OF CITY DECISION PACKAGES. 
          SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT OPTIONS FOR THAT IF YOU WANT WHEN WE GET TO THE PORTION OF THE MEETING AROUND MY RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DOES THAT HELP? THAT'S PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO JUST, JUST FOR CLARITY, UM, THE CEMETERY 
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IS OVER BY THE ELKS CLUB, CORRECT? YES. 
          IT'S THE ONE OFF AIRPORT ROAD. 
          IT IS NOT WITH THE HISTORICAL MUSEUM, WHICH IS OVER OFF JORDAN. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO, UH, COUNSELOR ELLA'S QUESTION WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT THE SECOND ONE. 
          UH, THE SECOND PART OF OUR REQUEST, WHICH DOES HAVE TO DO WITH, UH, THE JORDAN HISTORICAL PARK. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT YOU ALSO HAD PART OF THAT REQUEST WAS FOR THE CEMETERY CORRECT. 
          AND CLEANING UP THE CEMETERY AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I WAS NOT ANSWERING IN REGARDS TO THE CEMETERY. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S REALLY CLEAR HERE THAT THOSE ARE TWO VERY DISTINCT AND SEPARATE PIECES OF PROPERTY. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHO OWNS THE CEMETERY. 
          IF THE CITY OWNS THAT AND YOU MANAGE IT OR YOU OWN IT YOURSELVES, WE, THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY OWNS IT. 
          OWNS IT YOURSELVES? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK THE BREAKDOWN IS 25,000 FOR THE CEMETERY AND 15,000 FOR THE AT JORDAN HISTORICAL PARK. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT WHERE I WAS, WHERE I WAS HEADED IS THE LAST THING WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS LIKE THE, THE BANEY MATCH, WHICH IS THE CEMETERY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HISTORICAL PROPERTY. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED BETWEEN WHERE WE WERE SPEAKING AND THEN WHAT THE ANSWER WAS. 
          SO I APOLOGIZE MATE. 
          NATE, YOU SPOKE ABOUT BACK TO THE CEMETERY , YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE BANEY CONTRIBUTION. 
          HAVE YOU DONE OTHER FUNDRAISING SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CEMETERY? WE HAVEN'T BEGUN TO DO FUNDRAISING FOR THAT. 
          WE DO HAVE, I BELIEVE, UH, ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION ALLUDED TO THE FACT WE HAVE A COMMITTEE WORKING ON PLANNING FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS MADE UP OF, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND, AND MEMBERS OF OUR, UH, ORGANIZATION. 
          UM, AND SO WE ARE GETTING TO A PHASE WHERE WE WILL HAVE, UM, SOME DRAWINGS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND GET BIDS, AND THEN WE'LL KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN TERMS OF MORE FUNDRAISING. 
          UH, WHAT WE, WE ARE SURE OF IS THAT IT WILL COST AT LEAST, UM, WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING FOR IN THE MATCH FROM BANEY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR NATE? BRIAN? OKAY. 
          FOR THE JORDAN HISTORICAL PARK,  NOT THE CEMETERY. 
          SO YOU WANT $15,000 FOR THAT AND IT'S SOMEWHAT SAFETY RELATED. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE IS A SAFETY CONCERN. 
          UM, SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, NATE, HANG ON. 
          JUST THE I GOT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          GOT IT. 
          I MEAN, IF COUNSEL SO DESIRES, I ASSUME WE CAN FIND 15 K IN THE CURRENT BUDGET. 
          UM, YES. 
          BUT IN TERMS OF EXECUTING THE PROJECT IN THE NEXT LIKE MONTH AND A HALF, I DON'T KNOW, , SO OKAY. 
          IT'S MORE OF THE TIMING REALLY THAN THE FUNDING. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL ASK JOSH TO THINK ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE HEAR FROM HIM. 
           AND, AND, AND I WOULD ASK JOSH TO PRIORITIZE THIS AMONGST ANY OTHER SAFETY RELATED THINGS IN PARKS THAT HE THINKS ABOUT. 
          SO SEE, JOSH'S THOUGHT BUBBLE  HEATING UP. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS NATE. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          IRONICALLY, MY PARENTS OWNED THAT PROPERTY IN THE SIXTIES, . 
          OH, WOW. 
          WHICH PROPERTY? , UM, THAT THE CEMETERY AND THE ELKS CLUB. 
          AND OH, THEY, UH, HAD 88 AND A HALF ACRES ON THAT INTERSECTION OF 89 A AND AIRPORT ROAD THAT THEY TRADED SOME PROPERTY IN COLORADO FOR PROBABLY THE BEST DECISION THEY EVER MADE. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE, WE WERE, UM, NOT, WE DID NOT FULLY SUPPORT THE REQUEST FROM SEDONA RECYCLES. 
          UH, WE SUPPORTED THE 289,000 REQUEST, BUT NOT THE ONE TIME 50 K. 
          AND THE REASON FOR THAT WAS IT WAS, UM, EXPLAINED TO US THAT THEY WANTED THAT TO REPLENISH THEIR RESERVE THAT THEY HAD SPENT TO BUY THE NEW BAYLOR. 
          AND THEY, THEY HAVE, UM, WE FELT THAT THEY HAD ENOUGH CASH RESERVE THAT THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, THEY BOUGHT THE BAYLOR OUTRIGHT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING. 
          INSTEAD WE FELT THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, IF IT STRAPPED THEIR RESERVE FOR CASH, THEY COULD HAVE PERHAPS BOUGHT IT ON A, ON CREDIT PARTIALLY AT LEAST. 
          AND SO, UM, WE ALL LOVE SEDONA RECYCLES, BUT WE DID NOT LOVE THAT PART OF THEIR REQUEST. 
          IS KATHLEEN HERE? ANYBODY DO? IS THAT ANYBODY FOR OH, THERE SHE IS. 
          YEAH. 
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OKAY. 
          TODD, IS THAT OKAY?  OR DOUG? DOUG, YEAH. 
          FINE. 
          I DUNNO ABOUT THAT. 
          I DO. 
          MY NAME'S DOUG KOPP. 
          I LIVE IN SEDONA AND I'M BOARD PRESIDENT OF SEDONA CYCLE. 
          SO DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT? SO, UM, UM, THE BALER, WHEN YOU BUY A BAYLOR, YOU'RE NOT JUST BUYING A BALER, YOU'RE BUYING A BUNCH OF THINGS. 
          THE BAYLOR WAS ABOUT 293,000. 
          UM, OUR OLD BAYLOR WAS NINE YEARS OLD AND STARTING TO FAIL. 
          UM, THE INSTALLATION DELIVERY WAS ABOUT 22,000. 
          THE ELECTRICIAN THAT HAD TO DO AN UPGRADE WAS ABOUT 6,000. 
          THE BALER HOLDS OVER 300 GALLONS OF HYDRAULIC FLUID. 
          I FORGET HOW MANY, HOW MUCH MONEY THAT COST WAS SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          UM, SO THE, THE WHOLE PRICE CAME UP TO ABOUT 340,000 TO GET THIS NEW BALER FUNCTIONING. 
          AND, UH, WE MADE THE DECISION TO NOT FINANCE IT TO USE. 
          WE, WE TAPPED INTO OUR RESERVES TO, UH, TO PAY FOR IT. 
          AND RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, THE RECYCLING INDUSTRY NATIONWIDE IS IN REALLY BAD SHAPE. 
          THERE'S RECYCLING CENTERS CLOSING. 
          WE JUST FOUND OUT THE VENDOR WE SELL OUR GLASS TO IN PHOENIX JUST WENT OUT OF BUSINESS. 
          SO NOW WE GOTTA FIND ANOTHER VENDOR TO SELL GLASS TO, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, WE RECEIVED NO MONEY, ZERO FOR THE PLASTIC, WE RECYCLED. 
          SO WE COLLECT IT, WE SORT IT, WE BAIL IT, WE SHIP IT OUT, AND WE GET NOTHING BACK. 
          UH, CARDBOARD IS ABOUT $45 A TON. 
          UH, WE'RE LOSING MONEY ON THAT PAPER'S ABOUT $25 A TON. 
          WE'RE LOSING. 
          SO BASICALLY WE'RE LOSING MONEY ON EVERYTHING WE RECYCLE RIGHT NOW. 
          WE DO PROVIDE FREE RECYCLING TO THE RESIDENTS AND THE TOURISTS IN SEDONA. 
          UH, WE, WE CHARGE US A HAULING FEE IF WE, UH, PICK UP MATERIAL FROM BUSINESSES. 
          'CAUSE WE DO HAVE BUSINESSES WE SERVE. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A TOUGH TIME IN THE RECYCLING BUSINESS RIGHT NOW. 
          AND WE LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP A FAIR AMOUNT OF CASH ON HAND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TWO TRUCKS. 
          WE HAVE A FRONT END LOADER, WE HAVE TWO FORKLIFTS. 
          WHEN SOMETHING BREAKS DOWN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A WORLD OF HURT BECAUSE THE MATERIAL COMES IN EVERY DAY. 
          WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T LOCK THE DOOR, PUT UP A SIGN, SAY CLOSE FOR NOW. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH THE VOLUME OF MATERIAL THAT, UH, THAT FLOWS. 
          SO, SO IS THIS $50,000 TO REPLENISH YOUR RESERVES TO PARTIALLY REPLENISH THE RESERVES? UM, WE'VE RAISED ABOUT 180,000 OR 170,000 SOMEWHERE IN THERE, YOU KNOW, OF THAT TOTAL $340,000 COST. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO JUST GET THE CASH ON HAND UP A LITTLE HIGHER IN CASE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A BREAKDOWN OR A PROBLEM. 
          AND, UH, OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, WHY 50,000? HOW DID YOU ZERO IN ON THAT WAS THE NUMBER TO ASK FOR WHY 50,000? WELL, WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS FAIR TO ASK YOU TO FULLY, YOU KNOW, MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE. 
          SO THAT'S PART, THAT'S PART OF THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS HOW WE CAME TO THAT NUMBER. 
          YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT THE, THE CITY'S, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET AND I KNOW YOU HAVE LOTS OF COSTS, BUT WE THOUGHT THAT, UH, THAT WAS A FAIR AMOUNT, A FAIR ASK. 
          UH, PETE THEN CHARLOTTE. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR DOUG OR KATHLEEN . 
          UH, I WANTED TO ASK MORE OF A GENERAL QUESTION. 
          IT IS MY OBSERVATION AND I FORGET WHERE I SAW IT. 
          WHETHER IT WAS IN THIS PACKAGE OR BEFORE THAT THE CITY CONTRIBUTES A QUITE A LARGE SHARE OF YOUR OPERATING COSTS. 
          IT'S THE BIGGEST, YEAH, YEAH. 
          85%. 
          THAT'S THE KIND OF NUMBER I'M CURIOUS WHETHER, AND I'M SURE THAT YOU HAVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE STATUS OF IT, CONVERSATIONS YOU'VE HAD INTERNALLY ABOUT WHETHER YOU COULD CHARGE NON SEDONA PEOPLE THAT DO COME TO YOUR PLACE AND WELL, OKAY. 
          WE, WE HAVE DROP OFF FACILITIES, THE RECYCLE CENTER, AND THEN THERE'S A FACILITY IN UPTOWN AND A DROP OFF SITE UP AT POSSE GROUND. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          THESE ARE OPEN 24 7. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY'RE UNMANNED. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM RECYCLING WITH US UNLESS WE JUST, YOU KNOW, GO OUT OF BUSINESS AND SHUT DOWN. 
          SO LET ME JUST SHARE WITH YOU AN OBSERVATION I HAD ONE DAY RECENTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS DRIVING FROM COTTONWOOD BACK INTO THE CITY AND I PASSED A, I'LL SAY IT COMPLETELY OPENLY. 
          IT WAS THE CITY OF JEROME TRUCK PULLING A TRAILER. 
          YEAH, WE, WE CHARGED JEROME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER, SO THERE ARE, WE, WE CHARGE RESTAURANTS. 
          WE CHARGE ENCHANTMENT RESORT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UH, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. 
          SO THEY'RE, YEAH, THEY'RE NOT GETTING FREE RECYCLING. 
          THANK YOU, CHARLOTTE. 
          HI. 
          COULD YOU GIVE ME AN IDEA OF THE AGE OF 
          [02:50:01]
THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T BE THE NEXT TO GO? OR, AND SORT OF THE PRICE TAGS OF THOSE? UM, WELL, WE HAVE, OUR BIG FRONT LOADER TRUCK IS FAIRLY NEW. 
          WE BOUGHT IT IN 2021 AND, UH, IT WAS ABOUT $290,000. 
          WE HAVE A SMALL FLATBED TRUCK. 
          UH, IT'S DIESEL THAT, UH, UH, WE'VE HAD FOR A LOT OF YEARS. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S ABOUT TO BREAK DOWN. 
          WE HAVE TWO FORKLIFTS, ONE'S LEASED. 
          WE HAVE AN OLD FORKLIFT THAT WE OWN THAT WOULD POSSIBLY BE THE NEXT THING TO BREAK DOWN. 
          UM, WE HAVE A FRONT END LOADER THAT, UH, WE BOUGHT FOR, WE BOUGHT USED FOR I THINK 34,000. 
          IT'S, I THINK A 1980 SOMETHING MODEL. 
          SO IT'S PRETTY OLD, BUT IT DOESN'T GET USED THAT MUCH. 
          IT'S, WE JUST REPLACED, UM, A MOTOR ON OUR SORTING LINE AND I THINK THAT WAS, WHAT WAS THAT, ABOUT 500 BUCKS OR SOMETHING? YEAH, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CONVEYOR BELTS. 
          THEY'RE RUN BY MOTORS. 
          UH, AND, UH, WE HAD TWO OTHER MOTORS ON TWO OTHER CONVEYOR BELTS WE JUST RECENTLY HAD REBUILT FOR A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS EACH. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN SOMETHING BREAKS DOWN IN THIS TYPE OF EQUIPMENT, IT'S NOT LIKE YOUR CAR WHERE THE BILL'S A THOUSAND BUCKS, IT'S LIKE 10,000 BUCKS. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A LARGER SUM OF MONEY. 
          SO YOU, YOU CAN'T HAVE, YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, A A LITTLE BIT OF SPARE CASH LAYING AROUND TO COVER EXPENSES, BUT NOTHING'S IMMINENT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS I KNOW. 
          BUT, UH, KNOCK ON. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT, MAYBE IT COULD BE PLASTIC. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          PARDON ME. 
          THAT'S IT, DEREK? NO, I'M GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, DOUG. 
          ANY, NOBODY ELSE. 
          RIGHT? THANK YOU. 
          AND WE APPRECIATE, I MEAN, THE CITY'S BEEN FUNDING US FOR A LONG TIME. 
          WE, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE AND YOU OWN THE PROPERTY, SO . 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I WANNA GO BACK JUST FOR A SECOND TO THE, UM, LIBRARY AND THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR KENT OR JUDY? DO WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS MATCH AT ALL? YEAH, JUDY, COME. 
          CAN YOU COME UP, MAYOR, WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF WE TURN THE LIGHTS BACK UP SINCE WE'RE NOT ACTIVELY DOING THE POWERPOINT AT THIS POINT? OKAY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR AND COUNSEL. 
          HOW CAN I HELP YOU? I'M SORRY, I WAS NOT HERE. 
          I WAS IN PHOENIX AND I THOUGHT I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE AT FOUR 30, SO APOLOGIES. 
          UH, SO THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO SUPPORT YOUR ONE-TIME REQUEST FOR $150,000. 
          AND, UH, THE GROUP THOUGHT PERHAPS THAT THAT $150,000 COULD BE USED AS A MATCH FOR YOUR FUNDRAISING EFFORTS. 
          SO WHAT DO YOU AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY SAID THAT THAT WAS POSSIBLE. 
          THAT SOUNDS WONDERFUL. 
          WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE $150,000 MATCH. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S MOTIVATION, RIGHT? EVERY TIME SOMEBODY GIVES, IT'S, IT'S DOUBLE THEIR GIFT. 
          SO THAT'S A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL THING. 
          I KNOW YOU'RE HAVING A MATCH RIGHT NOW. 
          AND APRIL WE DO, WE HAVE A $50,000 MATCH RIGHT NOW. 
          APRIL MM-HMM . 
          I LOVE THE LIBRARY. 
          BIG SUPPORT OF THE LIBRARY. 
          I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT USING IT FOR MATCH. 
          I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE IF IT WAS GOING INTO DIRECT CAPITAL REQUESTS BECAUSE TO ME, CALLING IT A MATCH IS NOT A CAPITAL REQUEST. 
          THE SAME WAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S FOR YOUR CAPITAL FUND. 
          CAN YOU MAYBE SAY ANOTHER WAY THAT THESE FUNDS WOULD BE USED? OR CAN YOU, I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT HOW YOU COULD PUT ME AT EASE. 
          'CAUSE I'M NOT AT EASE WITH THIS AT THE MOMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANNA CLARIFY. 
          WE DID NOT ASK FOR THE 150,000 AS A MATCH. 
          THAT WAS A SUGGESTION BY THE CITIZENS COMMITTEE. 
          THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. 
          YEAH, WE DID NOT COME UP WITH THAT. 
          WE ASKED FOR THE A HUNDRED. 
          IT WAS NOT ON YOUR ORIGINAL APPLICATION, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          WELL, THE 150,000 WAS THE 150 WAS OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          THE 150,000 WAS, BUT NOT TO BE USED AS A MATCH. 
          WE JUST ASKED FOR THAT TO HELP US GET TO THE 2.3. 
          WE'RE GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          UH, THAT'S WHAT I NEED FOR NOW. 
          I'LL OPINE LATER. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANKS JUDY. 
          SURE. 
          AND KENT, THEY JUST SAID WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT YOU. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR KEN. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I GO AHEAD. 
          SO, KENT, THIS HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR REQUEST. 
          HOWEVER, 
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ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE MENTIONED ON COUNCIL BEFORE IS HAVING OUR VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS THAT OVERLAP WORK WITH EACH OTHER. 
          AND AS I RECALL, AND THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN CORRECT ME FOR MY FAULTY MEMORY, BUT, UM, I SEEM TO RECALL THAT YOU HAVE A PROGRAM FOR YOUR NEIGHBORS, WHICH HELPS THEM DO THINGS LIKE BUILD RAMPS, UM, IN ORDER FOR, FOR THEM. 
          AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT IS STILL TRUE, IF THERE'S A WAY FOR YOU TO POTENTIALLY WORK WITH THE SENIOR COMMUNITY CENTER OVER HERE TO FIND A WAY FOR THEM TO EITHER GET SOMEONE WHO SAYS, YEAH, I'D BE, I'D BE HAPPY TO COME IN AND BUILD YOU A RAMP. 
          OR THE COST WOULD BE VERY LOW. 
          MAYBE SUPPLIES OR WHATEVER. 
          ANYWAY, I I, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. 
          YEAH, THAT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA. 
          AND WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF HANDYMAN VOLUNTEERS, UM, WHO NOW, YOU KNOW, HAVE RETIRED FROM THEIR PROFESSIONAL, UH, POSITIONS AS CARPENTERS, UH, PLUMBERS, YOU NAME IT. 
          AND WHO COULD BE, THAT COULD BE A WORKABLE, UH, OPPORTUNITY RIGHT THERE. 
          UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE A FUND, UH, THAT IS, IS PROVIDED BY SEVERAL GENEROUS DONORS FOR US TO PURCHASE, UH, THE MATERIALS. 
          UH, WE USE THAT FUND, FOR EXAMPLE, WE GET SOMEONE WHO'S REFERRED TO US, UM, FROM THE HOSPITAL AND YOU KNOW, THEY ARE SENT TO THEIR HOME. 
          WE GO OUT TO THEIR HOME, THEY'RE IN A WHEELCHAIR. 
          THERE IS NO WHEELCHAIR RAMP. 
          THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO LIFT THEM UP AND GET THEM OUT OF THAT, THAT HOUSE OR TRAILER. 
          AND SO IT'S LIKE AN EMERGENCY KIND OF THING. 
          WE GOTTA BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THIS PERSON IS SAFE AND HAS A WAY TO EXIT THEIR HOME. 
          AND SO WE GET BUSY RIGHT AWAY. 
          UM, SO BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT WE DO. 
          BUT I'M OPEN TO EXPLORING A GOOD PARTNERSHIP TO MAKE THIS BETTER FOR MORE PEOPLE AROUND SEDONA. 
          SO I'M HOPING THE TWO OF YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET TOGETHER AND CHAT ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO DO, BECAUSE I'M SURE THAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT YOU HAVE ARE GOING OVER TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER OR THEY'RE GETTING MEALS ON WHEELS OR THEY ARE OTHERWISE USING THOSE SERVICES. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND IT'D BE REALLY GREAT IF WE HAD A WAY OF MAKING SURE YOU'RE BOTH SUPPORTED. 
          YES, THAT COULD WORK. 
          THAT WAS IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, KENT. 
          THANK YOU, MELISSA. 
          WHAT A GREAT IDEA. 
          I THINK ORIGINALLY IT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE'S IDEA LAST YEAR. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          GET CREDIT FOR IT. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR KENT? THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANKS. 
          GOOD. 
          AND IS ANYBODY HERE FROM THE HUMANE SOCIETY? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WE'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY ELSE. 
          IS THERE SOMEONE FROM THE HUMANE SOCIETY HERE? ONTARIO'S HERE. 
          OH, HI THERE. 
          I DIDN'T SEE YOU IN THE BACK. 
          YEAH. 
          DO YOU WANNA COME UP? AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WE HERE, WE BELIEVE IN FAIR TIMINGS, I THINK. 
          HI, MADAM MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          I'M JENNIFER BRAILER. 
          I'M A SEDONA RESIDENT, AS WELL AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA. 
          AND WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU TODAY? DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE, THE REPORT FROM THE WORKING THE CITIZEN BUDGET WORK GROUP? YEAH, WELL, OF COURSE WE'RE EXTREMELY, UM, GRATEFUL TO THE CITIZENS BUDGET WORKING GROUP FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION. 
          I WOULD LOVE, UM, AND I WAS GONNA REACH OUT TO MAYBE KEEGAN OR, UM, ANNETTE, OUR CITY MANAGER, TO FIND OUT WHAT MORE TRANSPARENCY IS NEEDED. 
          UM, CERTAINLY WE HAVE A CONCERN IF PEOPLE FEEL THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT BEING TRANSPARENT. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT WAS OUR ATTEMPT. 
          SO IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU'D LIKE FROM US, WE'RE HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANNETTE? WELL, UM, JENNIFER, DO YOU WANT TO CLARIFY THE, THE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE APPLICATION MATERIALS THAT YOU SUBMITTED TO THE CITY THAT'S BEEN THROUGH ALL THESE REVIEWS AND THE, UM, FINANCIALS THAT YOU PUT IN THERE WERE SPECIFICALLY FOR SERVICES TO SEDONA AND THAT YOU TRACK THAT BY ZIP CODE AND ADDRESSES AND EVERYTHING. 
          AND SO YOU HAD ISOLATED OFF THE SEDONA SPECIFIC COSTS. 
          YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, WE TRACK ALL OF OUR EXPENSES SEPARATELY FOR EACH COMMUNITY. 
          SO THE INFORMATION THAT WAS IN OUR REQUEST WAS SPECIFIC TO, UH, CITY OF SEDONA, THE ANIMALS THAT ARE COMING FROM OUR RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS OUR TOURISTS WHO ARE FINDING, UM, STRAY ANIMALS ON OUR STREETS AND BRINGING THEM IN. 
          AND JUST THE COST FOR US TO CARE FOR 
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THE CITY OF SEDONA ANIMALS. 
          SO IF, IF I COULD, WHEN I'M READING THIS WORDS HERE, I DON'T THINK THE QUESTION AND TRANSPARENCY WAS RELATED TO THE FAIR SHARE. 
          IT WAS RELATED TO SOMETHING ELSE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THE WORK GROUP CAN, AND WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT, IF ANY INFORMATION WAS NEEDED, SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL. 
          , WE ALL NEED SENIOR SERVICES. 
          IT SAYS COST ALLOCATIONS. 
          THAT MEANS FROM, YEAH, RIGHT. 
          THAT'S HOW I READ THAT ALLOCATION. 
          ANYTHING ELSE SOMEWHERE ELSE? NO, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WASN'T TRANSPARENT REGARDING COST? I DON'T KNOW. 
          HOPE HOUSE YOU, YOU GOT EVERYTHING ASKED FOR SO FAR? NO. 
          YOU, NO. 
          IF YOU WANNA MAKE A COMMENT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M TERRIO WEISS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR HOPE, HOUSE OF SEDONA AND A SEDONA RESIDENT. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE. 
          . 
          AND THANK YOU FOR, I MEAN, I TOOK A PHOTO 'CAUSE I'M GONNA SEND THAT TO MY BOARD AND JUST SAY, LOOK, LOOK WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT WAS JUST AN HONOR TO BE RECOGNIZED IN THAT WAY. 
          HAVE A BOARD MEMBER WITH ME TODAY. 
          SO I HAVE PROOF THAT I'M NOT DOCTORING PHOTOS. 
          , . 
          AND I REALLY APPRECIATED THE WORK GROUP. 
          THEY WERE NOT EASY, THEY WERE NOT EASY ON ME. 
          AND I, I LIKED THAT A LOT. 
          I LIKE A CHALLENGE. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN HELP ANYBODY WITH THOUGH? NO, WE JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THIS ISN'T FINAL APPROVAL BECAUSE IT'S UP THERE WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMITTEE. 
          THIS GETS VETTED NEXT WEEK BY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERY GROUP IS CLEAR THAT TODAY IS NOT, YOU KNOW, YOUR FINAL WORD ON EVERYTHING. 
          IT'S A GOOD INDICATION, BUT , THAT'S AWESOME. 
          RIGHT? ARE YOU SUGGESTING THEY SHOULD BE HERE NEXT WEEK? , WHAT ARE THAT IS UP TO THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NECESSARY. 
          I THINK WE GETTING, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE TODAY SO WE CAN GET ANY QUESTIONS WE HAVE FOR WHEN WE VET THIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S MOVE ON THEN. 
          UH, JOLENE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE CONTRACTORS? NO, I, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE WERE, OVERALL, WE WERE IMPRESSED WITH EVERYBODY. 
          WE APPRECIATED THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT THEY PUT INTO THEIR PROPOSALS. 
          WE APPRECIATED THEIR COMING TO TALK WITH US. 
          UM, ONE THING THAT WE DID RECOMMEND IS THAT, UH, WE HAVE MORE TIME FOR QUESTIONS. 
          UM, I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN TRUE OF EVERY DECISION PACKAGE IS THAT WE FELT THAT THE PRESENTATION WAS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UH, SOMETIMES IT WAS, UM, A LITTLE REDUNDANT BECAUSE IT WAS THE SAME THING THAT WAS IN THE WRITTEN PACKAGE. 
          UM, AND WE FELT THAT WE REALLY COULD HAVE BENEFITED FROM MORE TIME FOR DISCUSSION. 
          BUT, UM, GENERALLY WE WERE, WE WERE REALLY IMPRESSED AND IT WAS A PRIVILEGE TO GET TO KNOW SOME OF THESE PEOPLE AND HEAR THEIR PLANS AND KNOW, UH, I'M, I'M PROUD TO KNOW THAT THE CITY DOES SUPPORT THESE ORGANIZATIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ED, WHO'S NEXT? DAVE, WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING ? BECAUSE I'M DONE. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          JOLENE, THANKS JOLENE. 
          THANK YOU, JOLENE. 
          THANKS FOR ALL THE HARD WORK. 
          YOU, IT'S NOT EASY TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE PACKAGES, DAVE. 
          YEAH, YOU KNOW, MY EYESIGHT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO SEE PEOPLE'S NAMES, SO JUST, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UM, SO, UM, FIRST, I'M, I'M, UH, UH, ONE OF THE FOUR NEW PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE. 
          I'M ALSO THE NEWEST RESIDENT ON THE COMMITTEE. 
          UM, SO, UH, MY WIFE AND I HAVE OWNED PROPERTY IN SADDLE ROCK FOR 25 YEARS, BUT A FEW YEARS AGO WE DECIDED TO BUILD AND, UH, CHANGE OUR LIFE FROM PORTLAND, OREGON TO SEDONA. 
          SO WE'RE NOW OUR, UH, FULL-TIME RESIDENCE. 
          THIS IS MY FIRST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVER IN, IN, UH, LEARNING ABOUT ORGANIZATIONS THROUGH UNDERSTANDING MONEY, UH, TREASURER OR WHATEVER THE ROLE IS. 
          AND I DID LEARN A LOT AND HOPEFULLY I CONTRIBUTED. 
          UM, I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE STAFF SUPPORT AND THE STAFF KNOWLEDGE, UM, AND GETTING TO KNOW SOME OF THE PEOPLE AT, AT THE SERVICE FOR THE SERVICE PROVIDERS. 
          AND, UM, MY JOB HERE IS TO TALK ABOUT DECISION PACKAGES. 
          SO WHAT I THOUGHT I WOULD DO A STARTING POINT. 
          THERE WERE, THERE WERE 19 DECISION PACKAGES THAT WERE, WERE HANDED TO 
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US IN THE BEGINNING, AND FOUR ENDED UP BEING MORE BUSINESS AS USUAL AND WENT BACK INTO THE CITY. 
          WE LEFT THE 15, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION DEBATE IN ALL OF THESE AND REALLY APPRECIATED THE, THE STAFF PRESENTERS, UH, OF THE 15, 10 WE SUPPORTED. 
          AND THE FIRST TWO SLIDE, THE NEXT TWO SLIDES ARE THOSE, AND THEN FIVE WE DID NOT SUPPORT. 
          SO, UM, I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, BARBARA, ARE YOU STILL THERE? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COULD YOU GO AHEAD TWO SLIDES PLEASE? I THOUGHT I WOULD, I WOULD TALK ABOUT THESE, UM, THESE FIVE. 
          AND WHAT I WOULD ALSO SAY IS THAT I THINK IT'S UNANIMOUS THAT WE SUPPORTED THE INTENT OF THESE PACKAGES, BUT IN ALL FIVE CASES, THE ISSUES THAT WERE CITING ARE AROUND IMPLEMENTATION. 
          UM, AND I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT, UH, AFTER WE HAD DONE THE WORK, UH, WE HAD COME UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE MET WITH ANNETTE AND THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING 'CAUSE IT ALSO PROVIDED MORE CONTEXT. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, SO THE FIRST ONE WAS THE, THE POLICE EV AND WHENEVER WE WEREN'T UNANIMOUS, WE TRIED TO CITE THAT AND GIVE YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE AND BACKGROUND ON IT. 
          AND THIS ONE WAS REALLY ABOUT, WELL, WHY SHOULD SEDONA BE A FIRST MOVER WHEN FLAGSTAFF AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ARE CHECKING THESE OUT? AND THAT WAS REALLY KIND OF IT. 
          I WAS AT THE CENTER PERSONALLY BECAUSE I'M AN EV ADVOCATE AND I HAVE ONE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE TO WHAT THE POLICE NEEDS THAN WHAT INDIVIDUAL NEEDS. 
          BUT THAT WAS THE CONTEXT OF THAT ONE. 
          AND, UM, MADAM MAYOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO STOP WITH EACH ONE OR HOW DO YOU WANNA DO THIS? IF ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION, THEY'LL, SHE'LL JUMP IN AND ASK. 
          SO IF THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS, BUT PETE LOOKS LIKE HE HAS ONE. 
          I KNOW. 
          I'M JUST CLARIFYING AGAIN, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE ALSO GONNA HEAR FROM THE CITY MANAGER MM-HMM . 
          WE GOT YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE KNOW WE'RE NOT DECISION MAKERS. 
          WE'RE RECOMMENDERS . 
          UM, O OKAY TO GO AHEAD. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE NEXT ONE ON THE PUBLIC WORKS, UH, THIS ONE WAS A NEW FTE AND WE UNDERSTAND FROM COUNCIL THAT REALLY TAKING CITIES, TAKING UM, REALLY HARD LOOKS AT ANY ADDITIONAL FTES. 
          SO THIS ONE WAS, UM, WE FELT, UH, IT WAS A CLUSTER OF ACTIVITIES AND WE REALLY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, AT LEAST AT THE TIME WHEN WE DEBATED THIS, THAT WE THOUGHT THIS WAS MORE OF A PARKS POSITION. 
          WE REALLY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS WAS SITTING IN PUBLIC WORKS. 
          AND THAT WAS THE BASIS FOR, UM, NOT BEING COMFORTABLE WITH, UM, FULLY SUPPORTING IT. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          SO THIS POSITION, OR SOME VARIANT THEREOF, I THINK HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF US. 
          THIS IS AT LEAST THE THIRD, THIRD YEAR. 
          THE THIRD YEAR IN A ROW, IF NOT THE FOURTH. 
          AND LIKE, WHY DOES THIS KEEP COMING UP? RIGHT? EITHER WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET IT OVER THE GOAL LINE OR LET'S STOP DOING THIS EVERY YEAR. 
          AND LIKE, I, I WANNA LIKE IT, BUT I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'M A TRAILS USER, RIGHT? THIS HAS NORMALLY BEEN POSITIONED MORE AS LIKE A TRAILS COORDINATOR OR WHATNOT. 
          SO, AND, AND WE'RE STILL STRUGGLING IT SOUNDS LIKE, TO, TO DEFINE IT PROCESS HERE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I THINK THOSE QUESTIONS ARE BETTER ANSWERED TO THE CITY MANAGER BECAUSE SHE'S CHANGED HER POSITION RATHER THAN THE WORK GROUP THAT MM-HMM . 
          LOOKED AT THAT. 
          UNLESS YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT FAIR ENOUGH. 
          YEAH, FAIR ENOUGH. 
          AND FROM WHAT I HEAR, IT'S YOUR, YOUR OBJECTION REALLY WAS JUST WHERE IT'S REPORTING INTO, WE DID QUITE UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS PACKAGED AS A SINGULAR NEED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          AND THEN IT WOULD BE IN PUBLIC WORKS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          AND THIS IS THE INCREASE FROM HALFTIME TO FULL-TIME. 
          RIGHT? UH, QUARTER TIME TO FULL-TIME, QUARTER TIME TO FULLTIME. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE WORK GROUP. 
          WAS YOUR, WERE YOU UNANIMOUS IN THIS DECISION, IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION? WE WERE. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE IT'S INDICATED ON SOME AND NOT OTHERS WHEN IT WAS UNANIMOUS OR NOT. 
          SHOULD WE JUST ASSUME WHEN IT'S NOT INDICATED THAT IT IS UNANIMOUS? EXACTLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I WOULD ALSO SAY AS A, A MEMBER AND A NEW MEMBER, I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT BASICALLY WE HAD THE ABILITY TO HAVE A MINORITY REPORT AND WE WEREN'T FORCED TO GO TO CONSENSUS. 
          IT REALLY HELPED THE DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          CARRY ON. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, SUSTAINABILITY LAST YEAR WAS SUSTAINABILITY AND I THINK, WAS IT BRYCE WHO WAS WITH US? TRYING TO REMEMBER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE REALLY ENJOYED THESE. 
          SO, UM, ALL THREE AGAIN, WERE IMPLEMENTATION. 
          SO ON THE HAZARDOUS WASTE DOOR TO DOOR PROPOSAL, WHICH WAS FOR $50,000, I DON'T KNOW THAT ALL OF US IN THE WORKING GROUP, BUT MOST OF US HAD, HAD BEEN WAITING IN THE LINES AND WE EXPERIENCED, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ACTUAL ACTIVITY. 
          AND SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE, UH, IMPLEMENTATION PROPOSAL, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, NOT JUST 50,000, BUT HOW, HOW ARE YOU PROPOSING TO SPEND THE 50,000? WE LOOKED AT IT ON DOLLARS AND CENTS IN DOLLARS PER TON VERSUS, UH, GOING A, A DOOR TO DOOR PROGRAM VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THE ORGANIZED CENTRALIZED ACTIVITY. 
          AND WE JUST THOUGHT THERE'S, 
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THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO SPEND THE MONEY TO GET MORE HAZARDOUS WASTE AND EE UH, E-WASTE. 
          AND THAT WAS REALLY SOLELY OUR, THE BASIS OF OUR, UH, UNCOMFORTABLENESS WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION, UH, INITIAL PROPOSAL. 
          AND, AND DID YOU HAVE IDEAS FOR WHAT THOSE BETTER WAYS MIGHT BE? WELL, WE DID , YOU KNOW, REALLY UNEXPERT. 
          BUT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IS IT, IS IT A SITE PROBLEM? COULD WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IS IT EXTENDED? IS IT EXTENDED HOURS? SHOULD WE HAVE A THIRD ONE INSTEAD OF TWO A YEAR? SO BASIC THOUGHTS LIKE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU DO SEE THE VALUE IN THE PROGRAM? WE DID. 
          WE DID. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, COMPOSTING. 
          SO FIRST OF ALL, I'LL TELL YOU THAT I AM A CUSTOMER OF KATHLEEN'S. 
          I DO PAY FOR COMPOST. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT SAID, UM, AND I COME FROM A BACKGROUND IN WHICH I DEALT WITH THIS A LOT UP, UP, UP IN PORTLAND. 
          UM, AND COMMERCIAL COMPOST TO SOME EXTENT. 
          BUT THIS WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THE LAST ONE DOOR TO DOOR APPROACH. 
          WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE MONEY AND THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS IT COMES OUT TO $200 PARTICIPANT AND SUBSIDIZING NEW RESIDENTIAL USERS TO, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE A LONG TERM WIN FOR US. 
          WE THOUGHT WELL MAYBE THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO DO IT. 
          OUR RESTAURANT PROGRAMS, WE DON'T KNOW THE FEASIBILITY OF IT. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, A MUCH MORE EFFICIENT DOLLAR PER TON COLLECTED WE THOUGHT WAS REALLY WORTH A LOOK. 
          DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. 
          SO GO TO THE NEXT ONE PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE LAST ONE ON THE TREE PLANTING PROGRAM. 
          UM, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS IN THE PACKAGE, BUT I KNOW A LOT OF US SAW THE STUDY ON THE HEAT ISLANDS AND WE HAD AN AWARENESS AND YOU REFORM APPRECIATION OF THE PROBLEM. 
          AND SO, UH, THIS ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT THE ECONOMICS OF IT. 
          I THINK WE WERE SUPPORTIVE CERTAINLY OF THE INTENT, UM, BEHIND IT. 
          BUT IT CAME UP TO $840 A TREE. 
          NONE OF US KNEW EXACTLY HOW MUCH A TREE COST, BUT WE KNEW IT WASN'T ANYWHERE NEAR $840. 
          AND IS IT, THERE'S A LOT OF WRAPAROUND SERVICES. 
          SO WE WERE JUST WONDERING, IS THERE, IS THERE A DIFFERENT APPROACH? MAYBE IT'S AN UPTOWN OR A MORE CONCENTRATED APPROACH, UM, TO TRYING TO WORK ON SOLVING THIS PROBLEM. 
          OKAY. 
          I AHEAD CHARLIE. 
          IS THIS THE MATCH TO THE, UM, OTHER ONE TO THE STATE MONEY? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INVASIVE SPECIES? YEAH, THIS IS, BUT SO WE TAKE OUT THE INVASIVE SPECIES AND WE PUT IN THESE NO, NO RELATION. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE FROM A PROCESS PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S, THERE'S 10 OTHERS, THERE ARE THE TWO PROCEEDING SLIDES. 
          UM, WE HAD AGREED WITH THE, THE RECOMMENDATION AND I KNOW YOU, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEWHERE IN THE AGENDA YOU'D BE ASKING ANNETTE. 
          UM, SO SHOULD I GO THROUGH ANY OF THOSE OR FIELD QUESTIONS OR ARE WE GOOD? I DON'T THINK SO. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE, WE CAN ASK ANNETTE THE QUESTIONS AS LONG AS YOU GUYS HAVE APPROVED THEM. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEP. 
          WE GOOD? OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU DID A VERY NICE JOB, DAVE. 
          WELL THANKS JOLENE AND DAVE FOR THE GREAT, UH, PRESENTATION AND THE ANSWERING OF QUESTIONS AND STUFF. 
          CAN WE GET THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? OKAY. 
          SO I'M, YOU KNOW, I HIT THE LEAD OFF AND I'M THE, THE CLEANUP BATTER HERE. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE VERY HAPPY AS A GROUP ON HOW THE PROCESS AND THE STAFF SUPPORT. 
          IT WENT PRETTY SMOOTHLY. 
          WE DID HAVE A LOT OF PRODUCTIVE MEETINGS AND WE THINK WE COULD HANDLE A MUCH BIGGER SCOPE. 
          YOU KNOW, I WAS UP HERE LAST YEAR AND SAID WE NEEDED TO HAVE A BIGGER SCOPE. 
          UH, I'LL REPEAT MYSELF. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THE BASE BUDGET, UH, MORE OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS, UH, NEXT TIME. 
          UH, UM, FROM A CONTEXT PERSPECTIVE, UM, WE KIND OF WERE MISSING HOW THESE PARTS AND PIECES FIT TOGETHER IN THE PUZZLE. 
          AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE BOX COVER TO SHOW HOW THESE THINGS ARE AND YOU KNOW, WHERE IT FIT INTO THE OVERALL SCHEMA THINGS. 
          SO, AND WHICH ONES WERE, HOW THEY TIED IN. 
          SO IN THE NEXT YEAR'S APPROACH TO THIS, IN THE, EACH OF THE PACKETS, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, FOR THE DECISION PACKAGE, WHICH COUNCIL PRIORITY DOES THIS FIT INTO AND WHAT PRIORITY IS IT? OKAY. 
          IS IT, YOU KNOW, THE TOP, ONE OF THE TOP ONES? ONE OF THE BOTTOM ONES. 
          JUST SO WE HAVE A BETTER PICTURE SO WE CAN GIVE A BETTER ANSWER. 
          UM, WHEN WE HAD THE CONVERSATIONS AND THE INTERACTIONS, UM, BASICALLY IT WAS SPEED DATING. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAD 30 MINUTES TO DO EVERYTHING FROM GET 
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THE BRIEFING FROM THE SERVICE PROVIDER OR THE DEPARTMENT HEAD OR WHOEVER, AND THEN ASK SOME QUESTIONS. 
          AND SO THERE'S ALMOST AS MUCH TIME SPENT BY THE SERVICE PROVIDERS TODAY STANDING UP HERE AND TALKING THAN WE GOT IN THE PRESENTATIONS. 
          SO WE ARE NOT GETTING THE WHOLE PICTURE. 
          AND THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, SO WE'VE GOTTA HAVE A BETTER WAY OF DOING THIS. 
          YOU KNOW, MAYBE MORE CONSISTENT PACKAGE FORMATS THAT WE GET BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT EACH GROUP'S DIFFERENT FINANCIAL REPORTS AND STUFF. 
          SO IT'S SOMETIMES VERY HARD FOR US TO SEE, GET THE PICTURE AND BE ABLE TO ANSWER GIVEN THE REDUCED TIMEFRAMES WE HAVE IN THESE SESSIONS. 
          SO WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME NEXT TIME FOR DISCUSSION SO WE CAN COME TO A BETTER DECISION AND MAYBE ASK BETTER QUESTIONS. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE DECISION PACK OF QUALITY, KUDOS TO ANNETTE AND BARBARA. 
          THEY GOT, UH, THEY'RE MUCH BETTER THAN, THEY WERE MORE CONCISE THAN LAST YEAR'S AND MUCH BETTER WRITTEN. 
          SO WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MUCH FILTERING THROUGH THINGS AS WE DID LAST YEAR. 
          AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR GETTING 'EM REDUCED DOWN FROM 40 SOMETHING DOWN TO MID-TEENS. 
          THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL FOR US TO LET US FOCUS MORE. 
          UM, THE ONE THING WE'VE NOTICED FROM BOTH THE SERVICE PROVIDER AND THE, UH, DECISION PACKETS WERE, UH, THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. 
          'CAUSE A LOT OF US ARE BUSINESS PEOPLE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE ROI FOR THIS? WHAT IS THE BENEFITS? WHAT IS THIS GOING TO REPLACE? WHAT ARE THE SAVINGS? SO WE HAVE A STRONG JUSTIFICATION FOR DOING THESE THINGS AS OPPOSED TO IT'S A NEAT IDEA. 
          SO WE'D LIKE, YOU KNOW, A BETTER DEFINITION STRUCTURE OF HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS ASK IS ALL ABOUT AND HOW DOES IT BENEFIT THE CITY? HOW DOES IT BENEFIT THE CITIZENS? DOES IT HELP WITH TOURISM? YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, WITH 'EM, THE WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME? THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON. 
          AND THEN SOME TRAINING TO GET THOSE CONCEPTS OUT DURING THE PREPARATION THING SO THAT THOSE ARE BUILT INTO NEXT YEAR'S PACKAGES. 
          UH, AGAIN, UH, THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          I'D LIKE TO THANK AGAIN, OUR CITIZENS BUDGET WORKING GROUP. 
          UH, THIS WAS A GREAT GROUP. 
          UH, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND INVITING MOST OF THEM BACK IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK. 
          UH, UM, MUCH REALLY WANNA SEE ME THE THIRD TIME, BUT, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAD, UH, A GREAT GROUP WORKED WELL TOGETHER. 
          I'D LIKE TO THANK THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? OKAY. 
          WELL THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BOB, DAVE, ED, SEAN, JOLENE, JUDITH, LANCE AND ROBIN FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANNETTE HERE. 
          DO YOU WANNA POTENTIALLY MOVE THE, THE, UM, UH, SERVICE CONTRACT PROVIDERS UP BEFORE THE DEPARTMENTS JUST SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE FOR A WHILE THAT ARE PART OF THAT? IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU ANNETTE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND IF WE RUN OUT OF TIME, WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADJUST THE MEETINGS, UH, NEXT WEEK TO MY MIKE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHY DIDN'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO US TO RUN OUT OF TIME BEFORE WE GOT TO THEM AND THEM TO HAVE TO COME BACK. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALTHOUGH SOME OF THEM DID GO OVER THEIR REQUESTS QUITE A BIT ALREADY IN ANSWERING THE BUDGET WORK GROUP QUESTIONS, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER IT WILL TAKE, BUT, OKAY. 
          UM, AND I THINK WE WERE AGENDAS TO GO UNTIL FIVE O'CLOCK TONIGHT, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE WANTING TO HAVE A HARD STOP OR CONTINUE PAST THAT, THAT'S AT YOUR PLEASURE, BUT, UM, I'D RATHER PULL THROUGH. 
          SURE. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          UM, SO WE, WE, BEFORE WE GET INTO ALL THIS, WE JUST HAD A SERIES OF REQUESTS FROM THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD DISCUSS? I'M REALLY LOOKING AT KURT. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD DISCUSS DURING THE BUDGET REVIEW? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE AGENDIZED FOR A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THEIR FEEDBACK ON WHAT COULD BE BETTER NEXT YEAR? YES. 
          UM, WELL, IT IS A, UM, CITY MANAGER WORK GROUP, NOT A COUNCIL WORK GROUP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I WILL TAKE ALL OF THAT FEEDBACK, WORK WITH BARBARA, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO, UM, IMPROVE THE PROCESS AND SEE HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE KNEW WHAT THE PROCESS WAS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE WANT A BREAK BEFORE WE CONTINUE OR READY TO POWER UP OR FORWARD? OH, OKAY. 
          SO IF ANYBODY 
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HAS TO USE ANY FACILITIES, JUST GO, LITERALLY GO ,  RIGHT HERE AND NOW. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO JUST GO OVER THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR EACH? UM, I BELIEVE IN EACH CASE, UH, ANNETTE'S RECOMMENDATION IS YES FOR THE, UH, SERVICE PROVIDERS. 
          UM, SHE DID RANK THEM, YOU KNOW? YES. 
          TIER ONE, TIER TWO. 
          UM, SO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, UH, I'LL JUST START HERE. 
          HUMANE SOCIETY WAS, YES. 
          UM, SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER WAS YES. 
          AND THEN TIER ONE FOR, UH, THEIR CAPITAL REQUEST. 
          UM, I, I, AND IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO WHY, LIKE, UM, SO THANK YOU, BARBARA. 
          SO, WITH THE COMMUNITY CENTER, UM, I'M RECOMMENDING THEIR FULL ORIGINAL REQUEST, NOT THE REDUCED AMOUNT, BECAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND THE INCREASED FOOD COSTS AND THEIR, UM, OPTIONS AND HOW THEY ACCESS FOOD REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          HOW THEY PURCHASE AND WHAT KIND OF CONSTRAINTS THEY HAVE. 
          BEING A, UNDER THE FEDERAL CONT CONTRACTING RULES TO DO MEALS ON WHEELS. 
          UM, IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, ONE TIME, UM, AND FOR COUNCILOR HOSSEINI'S BENEFIT, UM, I USE THE NOTION OF TIERING THE APPROVALS AS A WAY TO SAY, OKAY, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, HOW DOES, HOW DO THEY PRIORITIZE THE CONCEPT HERE FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER? GOSH, I'M SO SORRY. 
          YOU GUYS KNOW, I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH MY, UH, THROAT, UM, IS THAT WE COULD, AS STAFF, IF COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN WEATHERIZATION OF THIS BUILDING, AND FOR THE PEOPLE THAT THEY SERVE, AND OUR RESIDENTS, THAT STAFF COULD WORK WITH A DIRECTOR TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST APPROACH TO TACKLE THE WEATHERIZATION PROBLEM, FIND THOSE RESOURCES IF IT'S USDA OR WHATEVER, AND HELP FACILITATE ACHIEVING THAT GOAL INSTEAD OF THE JUST STRAIGHT OUT PURCHASE OF THE, OF THE HVAC. 
          SO I DIDN'T WANNA SAY NO OUTRIGHT, UM, I WANTED TO PROPOSE TO THE COUNCIL THAT WE COULD WANT SOME EXPERTISE TO HELP MARJORIE, UH, FIND A WAY TO ACHIEVE THE GOAL, WHICH I THINK ULTIMATELY IS THE WEATHERIZATION, WHICH WILL HELP REDUCE THEIR ELECTRIC BILLS, ALL KINDS OF THINGS. 
          SO THAT IS, UM, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, YOU GUYS WILL MAKE YOUR CHOICES, UM, NEXT WEEK. 
          WELL, MELISSA'S IDEA AND KENT'S ACCEPTANCE OF THAT IDEA TO HELP THEM FILL THE RAMP. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT YEAH. 
          I THINK WOULD BE GREAT TO PURSUE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BUT I, I THINK THE CITY SHOULD PLAY A ROLE IN SUPPORTING THEIR EFFORT TO GET THAT WEATHERIZATION DONE. 
          UM, DO YOU WANNA GO BACK TO THE, UH, HUMANE SOCIETY? IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED SAY ABOUT THAT? IT WASN'T, I HAD A QUESTION ON ONE THAT WE WERE TALKING ON, ANNETTE, WHEN YOU, UM, WERE THINKING ABOUT THAT THEDO COMMUNITY CENTER'S CAPITAL REQUEST. 
          DID YOU, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S LIKE THEY WERE ALL, BOTH PROJECTS, WHICH ARE VERY SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM EACH OTHER. 
          WE'RE SORT OF LUMPED INTO ONE, AND I KNOW YOU'RE THINKING TIER ONE AND PUT THEM AHEAD. 
          BUT IN SEPARATING THEM OUT, NOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THEM THAT WAY, AS SEPARATED OUT, IS THERE ONE THAT YOU THINK SHOULD MOVE UP? SO THAT WOULD BE A PARTIAL REQUEST. 
          LIKE DO YOU WANNA RETHINK THAT AT ALL, OR? I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          'CAUSE I'M CONCERNED. 
          I'LL JUST SAY RIGHT OUT ON THE TABLE, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE A DA RAMP, AND I THINK THEY'RE GREAT, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS HERE, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME FUNDING AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE AN A DA ISSUE HERE. 
          I THINK WE, THERE'S AN EQUITY ISSUE WHERE SOME USERS OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER ARE ABLE TO ACCESS PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY THAT OTHERS CANNOT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT PHYSICALLY DESIGNED FOR THAT. 
          UM, SO I, TO ME, THAT AND THE SAFETY ISSUE OF RE EVACUATION, THIS TAKES A PRIORITY TO ME. 
          SO, ALTHOUGH I WANT TO EXPLORE WHATEVER WE CAN, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHERE THAT WAS IN YOUR HEAD. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. 
          I THINK THOSE ARE EXCELLENT POINTS AND, UH, MORE THAN HAPPY TO, UM, WE CAN HELP FUND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE RAMP, AND IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THEY GET DONATED MATERIALS AND IT ENDS UP BEING LESS, THEN THEY JUST GET REIMBURSED, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL COST. 
          AND IF THERE ISN'T A REIMBURSEMENT NEEDED, THEN GREAT. 
          BUT I AGREE, THE RAMP SHOULD COME FIRST AS SOON AS WE CAN HELP THEM GET IT DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          QUESTION. 
          SO CAN WE GO BACK TO THE HUMANE SOCIETY? JUST GO THROUGH 
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EACH ONE OF THEM. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THAT? UM, I WENT OVER TO THE HUMANE SOCIETY OFFICE, UM, SO I DID, I'LL BACK UP JUST FOR ALL OF THESE. 
          I DID MEET WITH THE CITIZEN BUDGET WORK GROUP, AND WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WHERE THEY SHARED THEIR INSIGHTS WITH ME, CONCERNS, QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAD. 
          AND TAKING ALL OF THAT, I WENT AND MET WITH EVERY PROVIDER EXCEPT FOR VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS. 
          WE WERE NEVER ABLE TO CONNECT, BUT, UM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH THAT ONE. 
          SO I WENT OUT TO THE HUMANE SOCIETY, MET WITH JENNIFER, TWO OF HER BOARD MEMBERS, LOOKED AT THE FACILITY, SHARED THE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS, AND TALK THROUGH ALL OF THAT IN THEIR APPLICATION WITH THEM. 
          AND, UM, AS A RESULT OF THAT, I FELT COMFORTABLE THAT WHAT THEY WERE PROVIDING TO US WERE THE SEDONA SPECIFIC NUMBERS THAT, UM, AND IN REFLECTING ON THE DEMOGRAPHIC DATA AND THAT WE WERE PRESENTED DURING THE JOINT MEETING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD ABOUT, UM, SEDONAS POPULATION AND THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAD ON THE OWNER SURRENDERS RELATED TO PEOPLE WERE PASSING AWAY OR MOVING INTO ASSISTED LIVING, OR DID NOT HAVE ANY RELATIVES THAT COULD TAKE THESE ANIMALS. 
          THAT IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT IF WE'RE TRULY WORKING ON THIS CORE GOAL OF, UM, COMMUNITY BENEFIT, MORE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS, MORE, UM, COMMUNITY STRENGTHENING, THAT IT SEEMED REASONABLE TO ME THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE THE SUPPORT TO OUR RESIDENTS IN NEED THAT FOR THESE ANIMALS. 
          AND THEY AREN'T A HUGE PERCENTAGE. 
          SO, UM, AND THEY PROVIDE A CRITICAL SERVICE FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL. 
          AND THEY'VE BEEN A GOOD PARTNER. 
          SO, UM, I FELT COMFORTABLE AFTER GOING THROUGH ALL OF THAT WITH SUPPORTING THEIR, THEIR REQUEST. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          ANNETTE, ARE YOU CONFIDENT IN THE REVIEW PROCESS ENOUGH THAT MM-HMM . 
          IF THIS, WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS THE COVID GLUT OF ADOPTIONS, AND NOW THE OUTPROCESSING OF ALL THOSE ADOPTIONS, A FUTURE NEED, THE FUTURE CONTENT OF THE LOCAL ANIMALS GOES DOWN. 
          WOULD WE IDENTIFY THAT IN, IN THESE AUDITS, IN THE ONGOING FUNDING AND BE ABLE TO SAY, WE DID THIS AND WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT AT THAT LEVEL IN THE FUTURE? WOW, THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION. 
          I DON'T, I DID NOT TALK TO THEM ABOUT FORECASTING HOW THEY THINK THE PET POPULATION IS GONNA CHANGE, BUT THAT'S NECESSARILY FORECAST. 
          BUT, BUT WE, IT'S A THREE YEAR CONTRACT. 
          WE HAVE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS, AUDIT REQUIREMENTS IN THOSE CONTRACTS, SO WE CAN DEFINITELY MONITOR THAT. 
          UM, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON THE HUMANE SOCIETY? OKAY, SO LET'S GO TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE ONE TIME ON THERE. 
          UM, SAME. 
          I MET WITH NATE, WENT OVER ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I HEARD FROM THE BUDGET WORK GROUP, AS WELL AS MY OWN REVIEW OF THEIR APPLICATION. 
          UM, THE PRIMARY FOCUS FOR THAT CONVERSATION RELATED TO THE IMPROVEMENTS REQUESTED FOR THE JORDAN PARK AND WHETHER OR NOT REALLY THE CITY SHOULD JUST DO THAT AS A RESPONSIBILITY AND NOT RUN IT THROUGH THEIR CONTRACT. 
          YOU KNOW, PASS THEM THE MONEY TO TURN AROUND AND HAVE US TO, YOU KNOW, JUST THIS BIG CIRCULAR THING. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, IF COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN MAKING THE IMPROVEMENT TO JORDAN PARK BECAUSE IT IS OUR PROPERTY, THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK TOGETHER WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND OUR FACILITY STAFF TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          UM, I'M SORT OF NEUTRAL ON THE CEMETERY CONCEPT. 
          MAYBE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO BEAUTIFY OUR CITY IS A GOOD THING TO DO. 
          AND THIS IS A PART OF OUR HERITAGE, SO I COULD SEE WHY THE MUSEUM HAD REQUESTED SUPPORT TO HELP WITH THAT PROJECT. 
          UM, SO I THINK, I THINK THAT CAN SEEK CONSENSUS ON THE WALL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I, AND WE CAN DISCUSS, WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY ASKED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. 
          I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE STAFF AS IF THIS WASN'T PUT FORTH BY THE OPERATORS OF THIS FACILITY. 
          IT'S THE CITY PARK. 
          YES. 
          AND I'M SURE WE HAVE A LIST OF WHAT OUR PRIORITY TOPICS ARE FOR SAFETY THINGS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THIS FITS ON THAT, SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK DURING THE PARKS PRESENTATION. 
          I'M SURE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT EARLY TO SAY WE'VE GOT A CONSENSUS ON IT, I WOULD HOPE, BECAUSE WE REALLY NEED MORE INFORMATION. 
          WELL, THERE WAS, I MEAN, THOUGH THE HEADS WERE NODDING . 
          YEAH. 
          THE HEADS WERE NODDING. 
          THE MAYOR WE'RE, BUT I THINK THE ISSUE IS THAT 
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IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS WHERE THE CONSENSUS IS CORRECT. 
          NOT BECAUSE IT'S OUR PARK. 
          UM, I WOULD WONDER HOW MANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM OUR STAFF ABOUT WHERE IT FITS IN THEIR THING. 
          THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, SO I THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. 
          I WAS, I WAS TALKING PETE, PETE, PETE. 
          I THINK IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT IT IS A CITY PARK, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          IF WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT IT'S A CITY PARK, THEN WE WOULD LIKE PUBLIC WORKS AND JOSH TO COME BACK TO US. 
          WE'RE ALL LOVING. 
          YEAH. 
          OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF A CITY PARK WHERE IT COMES IN, THE PRIORITIES IS A DIFFERENT SITUATION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU'LL OBVIOUSLY, YOU'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, MAKE ALL YOUR FINAL DECISIONS AT THE END OF NEXT WEEK. 
          UM, I DO WANNA CLARIFY ONE THING ON THIS SLIDE. 
          UM, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROPERTY NEEDS A COP FOR THESE EVENTS. 
          WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE LEASE. 
          THE LEASE IS CLEAR THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HOLD EVENTS ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          THEY DO NEED TO GET TPS, BUT, UM, THE ISSUE OF A CUP SHOULD NOT BE, I THINK, INTERMINGLED WITH THIS REQUEST BECAUSE THE LEASE ALREADY ALLOWS THEM TO DO THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, THE QUESTION AND THE CUP IS ADMINISTRATIVE BY THE STATE. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          AND THEY HAVE BEEN GETTING 'EM, THEY HAVE BEEN DOING EVENTS. 
          SO I, I SEE THAT IT'S UP HERE. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          UH, DEREK, UM, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE OTHER COUNSELORS WHO HAVE NOT BEEN TO THE CEMETERY TO GO OVER THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT IS ON OUR LIST OF LANDMARK SITES AND IT'S DOESN'T LOOK GREAT. 
          UM, I THINK IF WE'RE TRYING TO PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD AND HELP PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, LEARN ABOUT OUR PAST, THEY SHOULDN'T GO TO A PARK THAT'S GOT, YOU KNOW, FALLING DOWN FENCERS, OR I'M SORRY, CEMETERY THAT'S GOT FALLING DOWN FENCES AND THAT. 
          SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE EACH OF YOU TO GO, I WAS, WHEN I WAS ON THE HPC, WE WENT OVER THERE. 
          UM, GO TAKE A LOOK AND JUST ASK IF WE'RE SENDING VISITORS THERE, YOU KNOW, ON OUR, ON OUR MAPS. 
          ARE YOU PROUD TO HAVE THAT? HAVE IT LOOK LIKE THAT, BRIAN, NATE, DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF WHO GOES TO THE CEMETERY? I MEAN, IS IT RESIDENTS THAT GO, OR IS IT VISITORS? ANY IDEA? VICE MAYOR, UH, MAYOR, COUNSELORS. 
          UM, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. 
          WE DO NOT, UH, STAFF THE CEMETERY, SO IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WITH ANY CERTAINTY ABOUT LIKE, PERCENTAGES. 
          BUT CERTAINLY THERE ARE LOCAL RESIDENTS WHO GO THERE TO PAY RESPECTS TO THEIR LOVED ONES WHO ARE BURIED THERE. 
          UM, I BELIEVE, UH, JUST ANECDOTALLY THAT IT LIKELY, THE PEOPLE WHO WE DISCUSSED EARLIER WHO ARE GOING TO THE SEDONA SCHLEY MEMORIAL AND OR, UH, GRAVE AND LEAVING MEMORIALS ARE PROBABLY, UH, MOSTLY OUTTA TOWNERS WHO, UH, HAVE HEARD ABOUT HER, KNOW SHE'S BURIED THERE AND WANT TO GO AND JUST LEAVE A LITTLE TOKEN OF RESPECT. 
          UM, SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A MIX, BUT I DON'T HAVE DEFINITIVE DATA ON THAT. 
          CAN WE HAVE SOME , CAN WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS TO PUT UP NEXT WEEK? I, WHEN WE MAKE A DECISION ON THIS, THAT'S, I'M SORRY, JUST A MOMENT. 
          UH, UH, CITY CLERK, UH, JOHN QUICK. 
          HAD A GOOD POINT. 
          I'VE SEEN TOUR BUSES THERE WHEN I'M, WHEN I'VE BEEN THERE AT TIMES THEY FREQUENT THAT ON THEIR TOUR OR TOUR JEEPS, WHATEVER. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS LIKE, AS PART OF NEXT WEEK SO WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THEN WE DON'T GO DRIVE BY IN THE MEANTIME? DO YOU WANNA PROVIDE THOSE NATE? I, I CAN SEND SOME, UH, SHOULD I SEND 'EM TO THE CLERK? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO BEFORE YOU STEP AWAY, OKAY. 
          A REAL QUICK QUESTION. 
          SO, UM, YOU ARE, I'M GONNA CALL IT THE HALLOWEEN EVENT, UM, WHICH YOU HOLD OUT AT THE CEMETERY AND YOU, THEY HAVE, THEY TELL THE STORIES OF EACH, RIGHT. 
          SO YES, I'VE BEEN SEVERAL TIMES. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, HOW MANY PEOPLE, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO, WHO BUY TICKETS AND GO TO THAT ARE RESIDENTS VERSUS PEOPLE WHO ARE VISITING? AND IT LOOKS LIKE A COOL EVENT? OR, 'CAUSE THAT'S PART OF, THAT'S PART OF THE QUESTION. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S ONE OF YOUR BIG EVENTS AT THE CEMETERY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          MOST OF OUR EVENTS, UH, NOT JUST AT THE CEMETERY, BUT AT THE MUSEUM TOO. 
          UM, OUR LOCALS, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR LIKE GENERAL ADMISSION VISITATION, IT'S LIKE 97 3 TOURISTS TO LOCALS. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT OUR, UH, SPECIAL EVENTS, LIKE IT'S THE INVERSE. 
          UH, THE LOCALS ARE COMING OUT TO THE EVENTS. 
          UM, AND CERTAINLY TOURISTS DO SHOW UP TO THEM, BUT YEAH. 
          BETTER ADVERTISING. 
          WHAT WAS THAT? YOU SAID YOU NEED BETTER ADVERTISING? , WE'RE WORKING ON IT. 
          ARE THERE, IS THERE ANYTHING AT THE MUSEUM DIRECTING PEOPLE TO THE CEMETERY? UM, NOT CURRENTLY. 
          UH, WE HAVE NOT, UH, SO FAR MADE A, A HABIT OF DIRECTING PEOPLE THERE 
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FOR SOME OF THE REASONS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER. 
          OKAY. 
          PETE, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE EXTRA CONTEXT, LISA SNOBBY HEIDINGER, BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL, WHEN I GOT TO KNOW HER, DID ASK ME IF I COULD HELP GO OUT THERE AND HELP CLEAN ALL THE TRINKETS OFF OF HER FAMILY'S. 
          UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS REALLY MY RESPONSIBILITY, BUT LISA ASKED ME TO DO IT. 
          AND SO I STARTED TO DO IT FOR A WHILE, AND I GOT TELL YOU I WAS OVERWHELMED QUICKLY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND, AND THEN EVEN SOME OF THE INTERACTIONS OF PEOPLE THAT SAW ME DOING THAT WEREN'T PLEASANT. 
          AND SO I ENDED UP NOT DOING IT ANYMORE. 
          BUT  IT WAS NOT PLEASANT. 
          NO, IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TAKING THIS STUFF OFF THAT WE, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE, I'VE HAD THAT MYSELF, , BUT IT WAS, I MEAN, IT WAS REALLY QUITE, IT'S AMAZING WHAT PEOPLE LIVE THERE, LEAVE THERE. 
          AND IT'S NOT ALL LITTLE TRINKETS EITHER. 
          NO. 
          SOME OF THIS, IT'S NOT BIGGER TRINKETS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS. 
          SO JUST FYI PHOTOS WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA OF THE CONDITION OF THE AREA BECAUSE IT, IT, IT ISN'T I IMPRESSIVE. 
          SO WOULD A VISIT JUST SAYING YES, I WOULD'VE VISIT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR NATE? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE LIBRARY, WE'VE BEEN FUNDING THE LIBRARY FOR A VERY LONG TIME. 
          UH, THEY'RE A GREAT PARTNER. 
          WE'VE NEVER HAD ISSUES WITH THEIR SERVICES. 
          UM, AND SO THIS TO ME WAS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD REQUEST. 
          UM, THE ONE TIME UP THERE DOESN'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE AT THAT POINT I WAS RESEARCHING WITH KURT, YOU KNOW, IS A DONATION TO A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN ALLOWED AND OR A MATCH FOR A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN. 
          AND YOU'VE HEARD HIS ANSWER. 
          SO I WOULD SUPPORT IT WHICHEVER DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO. 
          UH, IT IS AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND IF WE WERE TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE OURSELVES, WHICH IS ANOTHER ELEMENT OF WHY WE HAVE COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER CONTRACTS, AS THESE ARE THINGS THE CITY MIGHT OTHERWISE HAVE TO DO ON OUR OWN, UH, BRINGING THIS IN HOUSE WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE EXPENSIVE FOR US. 
          UM, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE AMOUNT THAT WE ARE FUNDING OF THEIR BUDGET, WE'RE NOT FUNDING THE FULL BUDGET. 
          AND IF WE HAD TO DO IT OURSELVES, IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE THAN THE MILLION DOLLARS. 
          SO I SUPPORTED IT. 
          IS JUDY STILL HERE? YES. 
          OH, HI JUDY. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          UM, I WAS TRYING TO THINK BACK TO WHEN THE LIBRARY TOOK A BIG HIT TO ITS FUNDING DURING THE RECESSION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHAT, WHAT WAS THE CITY, IF YOU EVEN KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU WEREN'T THERE THEN, WHAT THE PERCENTAGE THAT THE CITY CONTRIBUTED TO THE, TO THE LIBRARY. 
          I, I HONESTLY DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. 
          I THINK IT WAS IN THE THIRTIES SOMEWHERE, BUT I CAN'T BE MORE SPECIFIC THAN THAT. 
          BUT I THINK YOU MENTIONED TO ME AT ONE POINT THAT WE WERE DOING 50%. 
          SO WHEN I CAME TO YOU THREE YEARS AGO, WE, I WORKED WITH KAREN AND WE, WE WORKED TO GET IT TO THE 50%, BUT THEN AS OUR BUDGET GOES UP EVERY YEAR, THE PERCENTAGE THAT WE GET AS AN INCREASE DOESN'T KEEP IT AT THE 50%. 
          SO WE'RE ASKING TO GO BACK TO THE 50 THIS YEAR, KNOWING THAT NEXT YEAR WE PROBABLY WON'T BE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S GO TO DOUBLE RECYCLES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SEDONA RECYCLES, UH, AGAIN, SIMILAR, I REVIEWED ALL THE MATERIALS, MET WITH, TOOK THE CONCERNS OF THE BUDGET WORK GROUP, WENT ONSITE AND MET WITH KATHLEEN AND HAD A TOUR AND ASKED THEM ALL THE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, AND FOR ME, UH, THE BIGGEST QUESTION HERE IS AROUND, UM, WE DO OWN THE PROPERTY. 
          SEDONA RECYCLES HAS BEEN A PARTNER OF THE CITY SINCE THE CITY BECAME A CITY. 
          UM, AND THIS GOES TO ONE OF THE CORE ENVIRONMENTAL VALUES OF OUR COMMUNITY AND PROVIDES A VERY POSITIVE SERVICE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. 
          UM, AND SO IT SEEMED TO ME THAT WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE THAT PARTNERSHIP, CONTINUE TO, UM, SUPPORT THEM, UM, WITH THE ONE TIME REQUEST, UH, THAT ACTUAL, THAT SUGGESTION, MY UNDERSTANDING ABOUT YOU SHOULD BE WORKING WITH THE CITY ON YOUR EQUIPMENT RESERVE AND FINANCIAL STABILITY, UH, CAME FROM A COUNSELOR WHO'S NOT ON THE COUNCIL ANYMORE, BUT THEY HAD BEEN THINKING ABOUT APPROACHING US ABOUT ASSISTANCE WITH EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT, UM, PRIOR TO THIS YEAR. 
          AND I HAD LET THEM KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN YOUR CONTRACT PERIOD RIGHT NOW, AND SO THE NEXT TIME WHEN WE GO TO DO YOUR RENEWALS, THAT'S WHEN YOU WOULD BRING FORWARD THIS REQUEST. 
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UM, AND SO TO ME IT'S MAKES GOOD FINANCIAL SENSE TO HELP OUR SHARE OF, UM, A FUTURE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT SO THAT THEY'RE NOT IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION IN THE FUTURE JUST FOR FINANCIAL PLANNING. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I RECOMMENDED WHAT I DID. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS, AS I MENTIONED, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO MEET WITH KENT. 
          UM, THE REQUEST IS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          WE'RE A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THEIR OPERATING BUDGET. 
          WE'VE HAD POSITIVE, UH, PERFORMANCE AND, UH, RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM THROUGHOUT THEIR PREVIOUS, UH, CONTRACTS. 
          SO I DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS. 
          AND THEN HOPE HOUSE, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO EVEN SAY ANYTHING . 
          YEAH. 
          OTHER THAN HOPE HOUSE IS NEW TO THE SERVICE PROVIDERS LIST, THEY HAVE NOT HAD THIS CONTRACT WITH US BEFORE. 
          UM, THIS CAME OUT OF THE COUNCIL RETREAT, UM, THAT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD, UH, PARTNERSHIP TO START. 
          AND, UM, THEY'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF PUTTING FORWARD THEIR REQUEST. 
          UM, I DID GO OUT AND HAVE A TOUR AND MEET WITH THE DIRECTOR AND I ASKED HER SOME MORE QUESTIONS AND GOT MORE DRILLED DOWN SPECIFICITY ON HOW EXACTLY THEY WOULD BE USING THE FUNDS, UM, WHICH SHE DID PROVIDE TO ME. 
          AND I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE, WITH THE PROPOSAL. 
          THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS. 
          SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE SUMMARY. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, SO AS YOU SAW ON THE, UM, CHART EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE ENDING FUND BALANCES AND PAY AS YOU GO, AND THERE WAS THE MIDDLE COLUMN. 
          UM, THESE ARE THE SAME NUMBERS THAT WERE IN THERE. 
          THIS JUST IS THE AMOUNT OF THE REQUESTS FOR ALL DECISION PACKAGES AND COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER REQUESTS. 
          UM, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS HOW, WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THESE, UM, NEXT WEEK. 
          BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOUR PROVIDERS WHILE THEY'RE HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY PLAN TO ATTEND NEXT WEEK, THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THEM TO KNOW. 
          OR IF YOU HAVE FOLLOW-UP THINGS YOU'D LIKE ME TO OBTAIN. 
          NO, I THINK THEY'VE BOTH THE CITIZEN BUDGET WORK GROUP AND THE PROVIDERS HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB IN PRESENTING AND ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          EVERYBODY TAKE A BREAK. 
          HMM. 
          IS THAT OUR LAST SLIDE? OR? I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE MORE SLIDES, BUT WELL, THANK YOU. 
          DECISION BACK TO YOUR, WE HAVE TO PACKAGE TO THE DECISION PACKAGE PACKAGES. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, WE'RE GONNA DO THE NON-PROVIDER CITIZEN PACKAGES. 
          SO WE'RE GOING BACK TO SLIDE, UH, 1 1 26. 
          CAN WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTES? YES. 
          AND WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. 
          NO, I GOT SOMEBODY THERE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE ADVOCATES FOR EACH PROJECT STAFF. 
          I'M TALKING TO YOU NOW. 
          THE ADVOCATES FOR EACH PROJECT COME UP. 
          AND I THINK YOU WERE TOLD TWO OR THREE MINUTES. 
          IF YOU CAN DO IT FOR LESS, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT AND WE'LL ASK YOU. 
          BUT WE, IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHAT THESE THINGS ARE AND THEN WE'LL ASK QUESTIONS AND WE'LL SEE HOW FAR WE GET. 
          WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM, BUT THEN WE'LL SEE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE ANNETTE'S RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY OR WAIT TILL NEXT WEEK. 
          SO DEPENDING ON THE TIME, I, I WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT PROCESS THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR TO HAVE THE STAFF PERSON TALK ABOUT IT AND QUESTIONS ASKED. 
          YES. 
          BUT I WOULDN'T LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, IF A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO ADVOCATE FOR ONE THING OR ANOTHER, I DON'T THINK THAT'S TODAY. 
          I THINK THIS IS QUESTIONS AND WHAT MORE DO WE NEED? BUT THEN WHEN THE, NO, THE ADVOCATE WAS THE STAFF PERSON. 
          UH, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE ADVOCATE FOR THINGS AND I'M WONDERING WHETHER THAT'S TODAY OR NOT TODAY. 
          WE'RE NOT MAKING DECISIONS TODAY, BUT THERE'S A PERSUASIVE ELEMENT THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS OFTEN LIKE TO DO. 
          . 
          SO THE DELIBERATION PART, I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE DELIBERATION. 
          I BELIEVE WE'RE ANTICIPATING NEXT WEEK. 
          AND ONE THING I WANTED TO ALSO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT'S NOT IN TODAY'S PRESENTATION 'CAUSE IT'S STILL IN THE WORKS, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF NEW 
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DECISION PACKAGE CONCEPTS THAT WILL COME TO YOU FOR NEXT WEEK BASED ON THE, UH, SMALL, UH, COMMITTEE SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COUNCIL AND THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT MET EARLIER THIS WEEK ON CONCEPTS THAT THE CITY COULD HELP THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE THOSE YET, BUT THOSE WILL BE ADDED TO YOUR, UM, CONVERSATION NEXT WEEK. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU ANNETTE, FOR THAT UPDATE. 
          GO RIGHT AHEAD. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          KURT HARRIS, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, CITY ENGINEER. 
          UH, THE MINI STREET SWEEPER IS PART OF A, UH, NECESSARY EQUIPMENT FOR THE NEW PARKING GARAGE. 
          I THINK YOU GUYS READ EVERYTHING ON THAT. 
          IT'S, UM, WHAT WE BEST, UH, LOOKED AT. 
          UM, THAT'S GONNA BE FOR SAFETY ENCLOSED FOR THE OPERATOR. 
          THAT'S EASY TO USE AND BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT GARAGE IN THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS. 
          UM, WE FEEL IT HAS A, IT'S A GOOD INVESTMENT AS IT'S ALL DESCRIBED. 
          AND SOMETHING THAT WASN'T IN WITHIN THE PACKAGE IS THAT I NEGLECTED IS UNDERNEATH THIS, IS THIS, UH, POLICE, UH, UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGE, THE HIGH PRESSURE WASHING THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DRIVE THAT TO HERE AND CLEAN THAT, THAT GETS ALL THAT CRUMB RUBBER AND EXHAUST FROM, UH, UNDER HERE AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S A MULTIPURPOSE. 
          IT ALSO CAN BE USED FOR THE SHARED USE PATH. 
          IT'LL BE, UH, STORED UP AT THE NEW PARKING GARAGE. 
          AND IF THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT, UM, OAK CREEK HIGH FLOW OR, UH, GETS STAINED SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T CLEAN UP, WE WOULD ACTUALLY DRIVE IT DOWN THERE, USE THAT. 
          SO IT HAS THAT MULTIPLE PURPOSE. 
          HAS A BUNCH OF ATTACHMENTS TO IT THAT WE'RE NOT PURCHASING AT THIS TIME. 
          UH, MAINTENANCE DIDN'T SEEM WITH THE USE OF LEAF, UH, SWEEPER, UH, VACUUM CLEANER HAS A HIGH PRESSURE HEAD WASH THAT YOU CAN USE FOR OTHER EQUIPMENT. 
          SO IF THERE'S, UM, WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH, UM, GRAFFITI ON OUR SHARED USE PATH, THAT'S ANOTHER TOOL WE HAVE IN OUR BAG. 
          WE COULD DRIVE THERE AND HIGH PRESSURE WASH THAT AND CLEAN THAT UP. 
          SO IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER, KATHY, THEN PETE, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE ONGOING EXPENSES ARE LISTED AS ZERO, BUT HOW, HOW THEN ARE FUTURE ATTACHMENTS OR MAINTENANCE OF THAT? I MEAN, THAT'S, DOESN'T, SHOULDN'T THAT BE REPRESENTED AND ONGOING. 
          IT'S, UH, UNDER WARRANTY AND I CAN'T THINK IT'S A COUPLE OF YEAR WARRANTY. 
          SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S OUT. 
          AND IT'S A FULL PURCHASE PRICE. 
          SO, AND WE FIGURE BECAUSE IT'S UM, DIESEL, IT'S GOING TO BE EASILY TO MAINTAIN, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO OUR OWN, UH, PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE. 
          IF IT'S A BIG EQUIPMENT, IT WOULD BE JUST COVERED UNDER OUR MAINTENANCE EXPENSES OPERATIONS FOR ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT. 
          AND THE BEST THING ABOUT THIS PRODUCT, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A SERVICE VENDOR IN PHOENIX IF IT'S A WARRANTY ISSUE OR SOMETHING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO FOLLOWING UP ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, IS THIS REPLACING A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT OR ADDITIONAL, THIS IS BRAND NEW EQUIPMENT. 
          WE HAVE AN EXISTING, UH, PICKUP BROOM BACK IN BROOM FOR SWEEPS, BUT IT WON'T FIT IN THE GARAGES. 
          SO IT HAS THE LOCAL, BUT WE'RE ABANDONING THE OLD PIECE. 
          OH, NO, NO. 
          THAT'S THE USE FOR, SO IN, IN SOME RESPECT, IT KATHY'S QUESTION, THERE'S AN ONGOING ELEMENT OF LABOR TO OPERATE THIS THING THAT ISN'T CURRENTLY HAPPENING BECAUSE CORRECT. 
          IT'LL BE OPERATED BY OUR FACILITIES GROUPS THAT TAKE CARE OF OUR FACILITIES. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING THINGS EVERY DAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO IS THERE A, ARE WE INCREASING THE STAFF TO USE THIS EQUIPMENT? NOT AT THIS TIME, BUT IT'S SUCH A LOOK LIKE A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. 
          WE HAVE THE CITY MANAGERS OFFERED TO USE IT AND SOME OF OUR ADMINISTRATOR STAFF 'CAUSE IT LOOKS SO FUN TO USE. 
          SO  CITY MANAGER, I THINK I SAID CAN I DRIVE IT? ? I DON'T THINK I ASKED YOU. 
          NO, YOU'RE SCHEDULED TUESDAYS FROM THREE IN THE MORNING TO FOUR, SO, SORRY. 
          WELL, AND YOU KNOW, I HAVE A FORKLIFT LICENSE. 
          I COULD HELP YOU OUT TOO. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DIG AT HERE A LITTLE BIT IS THAT I GET IT, WE'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S NO ONGOING CAPITAL COST HERE, BUT I THINK THAT THE ACQUISITION OF A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT LIKE THIS DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE OPERATING BUDGET BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO USE IT AND IT'S GONNA COST MONEY TO USE IT. 
          AND SO I'D LIKE SOMEWHERE, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS TO BE ALSO THINKING ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE OPERATING BUDGET AS WE GO FORWARD, WE SHOULD JUST HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS WE MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT ADDING NEW THINGS. 
          SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. 
          IT WAS TALKED WITH OUR FACILITIES GROUP. 
          YES. 
          WOULD HAVE TO FIND THE TIME TO USE IT. 
          WE'RE THINKING THE GARAGE IS BRAND NEW. 
          IT WILL, IT WON'T TAKE AS MANY CLEANINGS AS IT WILL NEED, BUT EVENTUALLY THERE'LL BE THAT BREAKING POINT THAT WE'LL HAVE TO, UM, HIRE A HIGH PRESSURE WASHER TO GET IT AND ALL THAT. 
          AND THEN ONCE THAT POINT WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU. 
          YEP. 
          AND WHEN IT'S WARRANTED. 
          SO THIS IS A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT 
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THAT'S GONNA SERVICE OUR SHARED USE PADS IN A WAY THAT WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY DOING. 
          WE'RE NOT REALLY DOING THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT'S PART OF THAT PART-TIME PERSON IS HAVING THAT STEPS PROGRAM TO LOOK AT AREAS WHERE WE'RE HAVING, UM, CRACK CONCRETE VEGETATION, ANY TYPE OF MAINTENANCE. 
          AND THEN AT YOUR DIRECTION AS WELL TO LOOK AT AMENITIES TO THE SHARED USE PATH, SHADE STRUCTURES, KIOSKS, UM, WATER FOUNTAINS, THOSE KIND OF, UM, OPTIONS AS WELL. 
          SO WE'RE THIS WOULD YEAH. 
          BE A TOOL THAT WE HAVE IN OUR TOOL BELT. 
          AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY TERMS THAT YOU USE, IF IT'S HOUSED AT THE GARAGE AND WE WANT TO USE IT ON THE THUNDER MOUNTAIN SHARED USE PATH, YOU SAID DRIVE IT, DO YOU DRIVE IT OR DO YOU HAVE A PICKUP TRUCK AND YOU LOAD IT ON AND IT GETS DRIVEN TO IT DEPENDS. 
          DOES, YEAH. 
          WOULD YOU DRIVE THAT FROM UPTOWN? YOU CAN. 
          WE, WE ANTICIPATE SEDONA ANTICIPATE THAT WE'LL BE USING IT EARLY IN THE MORNING. 
          WE'D BE ABLE TO DRIVE IT FROM THE GARAGE TO MOSTLY RIGHT NOW IS THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING. 
          BUT HERE IN, IN, IN THE, UM, POLICE UNDERGROUND, WE'D PROBABLY TRAILER IT. 
          IT DEPENDS ON WHAT TIME IT IS AND, AND WHAT'S THE USE IF IT'S GONNA BE HERE OR SOMEONE ELSE. 
          BUT, UM, IT'S GONNA BE HOUSED AT THE NEW PARKING GARAGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I SEE. 
          ADD-ON EQUIPMENT AND A POTENTIAL NEW HIRE IN THE FUTURE TO BE DETERMINED. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, NEXT IS BIKE P COORDINATOR. 
          AND THAT'S YOU. 
          THAT'S MINE. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A PART-TIME, UH, AND VERY ENTHUSIASTIC THAT'S HELPING US TAKING CARE OF THE BIKE SKILLS PARK AT, UH, POSSE GROUNDS. 
          AND THIS IS A PROGRAM POSITION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, MAKE FULL TIME. 
          THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE OUR AMBASSADOR OR, UH, COORDINATOR, LIAISON FOR THE WHOLE STEPS THAT DONNA TRAILS AND PATH SYSTEMS OF, AGAIN, NOT ONLY MAINTAINING THE SKILLS BACK FOR US, BUT ALSO TO BE THE CITY'S BICYCLE COORDINATOR. 
          UM, SHARED USE PATH, UM, ACTIVE IT, ENGAGING WITH NEIGHBORS, DOING THOSE AMENITIES THAT YOU, UH, UH, DIRECTED TO AND INSPECTING OUR SHARED USE PATH. 
          WE STARTED AT, UM, FOUR MILES SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, AND WE'RE GONNA BE AT 12 MILES, UM, BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S INEVITABLE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ALL PART OF THE CITY TRANSPORTATION PLAN, GETTING US FROM A CAR CENTRIC CITY TO, UH, A MULTIMODAL CENTRIC CITY. 
          SO, UM, WE HAVE A REALLY FORTUNATE PERSON ON HIRE RIGHT NOW THAT'S VERY ENGAGED, AS YOU HEARD FROM THE CYCLIST COMMUNITY. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO BRING UP AS A DECISION PACKAGE. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE READY, READY FOR THIS PERSON. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'LL BRING SOMEONE ELSE ON TO HELP US BE MORE RESILIENT AND MEET ALL OF THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT THE RIGHT PERSON, IS THIS THE CURRENT PART-TIME PERSON THEY WERE REFERRING TO? CORRECT. 
          AND WE WENT THROUGH AN INTERVIEW PROCESS. 
          WE HAD THREE GREAT CANDIDATES AND WE REALLY STRUGGLED WITH THE LAST TWO. 
          AND THE PERSON THAT WE SELECTED, WE FELT WAS BEST FOR, UM, THE CITY AND, UM, WAS DOING GREAT. 
          AND THEY WANNA MOVE TO FULL-TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME FULL-TIME. 
          THAT'S PART OF THEIR PLAN. 
          THEY ALREADY HAVE A PART-TIME JOB, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO PULL 'EM BOTH. 
          THAT'S WHY THEY CAN ONLY DO, UH, REALLY, UH, MINIMAL TIME NOW. 
          BUT ONCE THEY GET FULL-TIME, THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE THAT AG ACTIVIST, TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, THE, UH, CYCLISTS AND THE TRAILS COMMUNITY TO REALLY HAVE THAT FACE. 
          THAT WOULD BE THE FACE WE'D USE FOR THE, UH, MOUNTAIN BIKE, UM, UH, FESTIVAL WE HAVE EVERY YEAR. 
          AND, AND, UH, ALL THOSE PARTS ENGAGING WITH EVAN AND, UM, IN OUR PARKS PROGRAM. 
          AND, AND THAT'S PART OF THE GOAL THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS. 
          WE GOT RANKED TWO YEARS AGO BY AMERICA ASSOCIATION OF CYCLISTS AS A SILVER. 
          WE'D STILL LIKE TO TRY TO GET GOLD AND GET THE CITY, UM, AS PART OF THAT, UH, AWARENESS OF BICYCLING, MULTIMODAL, HIKING, THE OUTDOOR ENVIRONMENTAL, MELISSA. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND IF, UM, THIS HAS TO WAIT UNTIL ANDY IS BACK, UM, TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION. 
          BUT THIS CREATES AN ESSENCE, AT LEAST A DUPLICATION IN TITLE, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE TRAILS SLASH PARKING MANAGER AND WHEN WE, UH, WENT WITH THE PARKING MANAGER, WE SAID WE WANTED THE PARKING MANAGER TO ALSO TAKE CARE OF OUR CITY TRAILS. 
          SO THIS WAS A YEAR OR TWO AGO. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER TRAILS MANAGER. 
          UM, AND SO I HAVE CONCERNS ARE WE DUPLICATING THE EFFORT WHEN THE PARKING 
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IS KNOWN AND WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA CHARGE AND ALL THOSE QUESTIONS ARE DONE. 
          IS THERE A JOB FOR THE PARKING PERSON IF THEY'RE NO LONGER DOING THE TRAILS? RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF UNDERSTANDING WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE, WE REALLY HAVEN'T THOUGHT THROUGH THESE TWO ROLES AND HOW THESE TWO ROLES PLAY TOGETHER. 
          INSTEAD OF US JUST ADDING ANOTHER PERSON, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PERSON WHO'S IN THE ROLE OF TRAILS SLASH PARKING? AND THAT'S PART OF THEIR REMIT. 
          THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PARKING TRAILS WAS GONNA BE LIKE THE ADMINISTRATOR MANAGER AND THIS POSITION WOULD BE THE PERSON IN THE FIELD, THE MAINTENANCE AND THE OPERATOR. 
          I GUESS, I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS, UM, A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED. 
          WHEN WE'RE DONE DOING ALL THE PARKING STRATEGY AND IT'S DONE, WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE PERSON WHO'S DOING PARKING? BECAUSE THEY CAN'T JUST BE A MANAGER, THEY HAVE TO BE CONTRIBUTING IN SOME SIGNIFICANT WAY TO THE OPERATION OF THE CITY. 
          AND I SAID, YOU MAY NOT BE THE ONE TO ANSWER THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          I GUESS THIS MIGHT BE HANDY. 
          YEAH, WE'LL NOTE THAT DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING THE TRANSIT PROGRAM, UM, DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK, WHICH IS WHERE THE PARKING MANAGER FALLS, UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT IS THE, HOW DOES ALL OF THAT WORK WHEN THE PARKING PROGRAM IS UP AND ROUNDING. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE AWARE WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THIS ALREADY AND I DON'T WANT DUPLICATION OF ROLES. 
          I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE CLEAR DELINEATION BETWEEN ROLES THAT WERE BOTH PEOPLE FULL-TIME OR EFFECTIVE DOING SOMETHING FULL-TIME. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE PARKING PERSON NEVER DID THE TRAILS. 
          AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THERE IS A TRAILS COORDINATION, YOU KNOW, MANAGEMENT COORDINATION DUTY AND THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION. 
          BUT AT THE MOMENT, THEY'RE FULLY DEDICATED TO GETTING THE PARKING PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING. 
          AND THEN MELISSA'S POINT BEING THAT IF ONCE THAT IS UP AND RUNNING, WOULD THEY HAVE CAPACITY TO DO THE TRAILS? YEAH. 
          WHICH IS, UM, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S ENVISIONED FOR THIS ROLE, BUT WE CAN GET INTO ALL THOSE DETAILS WITH ANDY NEXT WEEK. 
          YEAH, RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          DUE TO YOUR CONTRIBUTION, MELISSA. 
          NOW MY QUESTION'S TWOFOLD OR THE, THE ASK IS TWOFOLD. 
          I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT A, A PROTOTYPICAL WEEK WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THIS ROLE. 
          LIKE I JUST LITERALLY CANNOT WRAP MY HEAD AROUND HOW THIS IS A FULL-TIME GIG. 
          AND THEN I FORGOT ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, MELISSA, WHERE THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY FOR OVERLAPS. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT A PROTOTYPICAL WEEK LOOKS LIKE TO TRY TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND WHY WE NEED THIS. 
          DULY NOTED. 
          OKAY, NEXT. 
          THANK YOU KURT. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          , UH, ALMOST GOOD EVENING, BUT AFTERNOON MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS, STEPHANIE FOLEY, CHIEF OF POLICE, I DON'T KNOW, BRYCE, COME ON. 
          THIS IS A PARTNER TASK. 
          UH, BRYCE BECK, SUSTAINABILITY MANAGER. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE HERE FOR A DECISION PACKAGE FOR THE ELECTRIC, UM, PILOT VEHICLE FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE IT ALL UP THERE. 
          THE ONGOING COST FOR THE 4,000 IS THE STIPEND FOR THE PERSON THAT WOULD DRIVE THIS VEHICLE SINCE IT IS A TAKE HOME VEHICLE. 
          AND WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE SOME ADAPTIONS FOR, UM, CHARGING WHEN THEY'RE AT TRAINING AND JUST THEIR AT HOME, UM, CHARGING STATION AS WELL AS THE CITY. 
          SO THAT'S PART OF THOSE ONGOING COSTS. 
          I AM TRYING TO MAKE IT, UM, MORE QUICK FOR YOU, BUT THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR IN A ROW THAT WE'VE COME TO YOU WITH A ELECTRIC VEHICLE PROPOSAL. 
          LAST YEAR WAS A VEHICLE THAT WAS A TESLA. 
          THIS ONE IS THE CHEVY BLAZER. 
          UM, PART OF WHY WE PICKED THAT IS IN COTTONWOOD THERE IS A MAINTENANCE FACILITY WHERE THEY DO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT CAN HELP, UM, WITH ONGOING, UH, ELECTRICAL MAINTENANCE. 
          AS FAR AS, WHAT IS IT? IT'S, UM, COURTESY CHEVY OR IT'S OVER THERE BY THE WALMART IN, IN COTTONWOOD THAT COULD SERVICE THIS VEHICLE. 
          UM, WHICH ALSO HELPS, UM, COMPARED TO LAST YEAR'S VEHICLE THAT WOULD BE FLAGSTAFF OR POTENTIALLY EVEN FURTHER OUT, WHICH DOES IMPACT OUR USABILITY IF THE VEHICLE'S GONNA BE DOWN FOR TOO LONG. 
          QUESTIONS. 
          CHIEF CHIEF, WHAT'S THE COST FOR A, UH, GAS FUELED POLICE CRUISER OR SUV? IT ENDS UP BEING PRETTY, PRETTY CLOSE TO ONCE. 
          UM, YOU GO FROM THE VEHICLE THAT'S ABOUT I THINK 57,000 AND THEN THE UPFITTING, WHICH IS ABOUT 35,000, IT'S PRETTY COMPARABLE TO WHAT WE PAY NOW FOR A VEHICLE THAT'S A, A FORD EXPLORER. 
          THAT'S 
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INTERCEPTOR. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT THE STIPEND TO CHARGE THE VEHICLE AT HOME COVERS? 'CAUSE DO WE GIVE A STIPEND FOR PEOPLE WHO TAKE VEHICLES HOME AND HAVE TO GAS THEM UP OR, YOU KNOW, CHECK THE OIL OR WHATEVER IT IS? ARE THERE STIPENDS FOR THAT? NO, BECAUSE, UM, WE HAVE A GAS CARD, SO IT JUST IS CHARGED ON THERE. 
          SO, SO WE USED TO COVER THE ELECTRIC COSTS ON THEIR BILL? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE IN THERE. 
          YEAH, WE WANTED IT TO BE, UM, EASY FOR THE PERSON THAT'S GONNA HAVE THIS VEHICLE AT HOME SO THAT THEY'RE NOT SUBMITTING THE DIFFERENCE OF WHAT THEIR ELECTRIC BILL IS. 
          THAT IT WOULD BE A STIPEND TO COVER IT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND, AND WHO'S CALCULATING WHAT THAT SHOULD BE OR WHO WOULD CALCULATE? WELL, WE WOULD PROBABLY PUT AN ADAPTER IN, THIS IS SOME OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD AN ADAPTER SO THAT WE COULD KNOW WHAT THAT DIFFERENCE OF AT HOME CHARGING IS. 
          AND THAT'S WHY IT WOULD JUST BE A STIPEND THAT WOULD THEN BE THE, THE REDUCTION FROM IT. 
          SO WE WERE TRYING TO LOOK AT IT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS AND THIS IS JUST A ESTIMATE OF WHAT WE THOUGHT IT COULD BE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. 
          I SAID, JUST FOLLOWING UP ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, THERE'S ONE TIME COST AND OFTENTIMES ARRANGING SOMEONE'S HOME TO CHARGE. 
          IS THAT IN HERE? SAY THAT LAST PART AGAIN. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THERE'S ONE TIME COST TO START TO PUT IN THE CHARGING EQUIPMENT. 
          SOMETIMES NOT ALL HOMES HAVE TWO 20 AND A CHARGING PORT AVAILABLE. 
          IS THAT IN HERE? IS THERE ONE TIME COST AND, AND ONGOING COST FOR HOME? WE, IT IS NOT PART OF THE, UM, ONE TIME BECAUSE I THINK WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO, IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET, IN OUR VEHICLE MAINTENANCE INSTALL IT WITHOUT THIS GOING INTO AN ADDITIONAL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION, CHIEF WAS DUSTING OFF SOME MEMORY. 
          WE KIND OF TRIED THIS BEFORE, SOME YEARS AGO IT WAS A HYBRID VEHICLE, A DIFFERENT VEHICLE. 
          AS I RECALL, THERE WERE PROBLEMS WITH THE VEHICLE. 
          THERE WAS ALSO PROBLEMS GETTING THE SERVICE ASSURE ME THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DIFFERENT RESULT THIS TIME. 
          NO, I I WOULD SAY THIS IS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR A PILOT VEHICLE TO, TO TRY, UM, TO SEE IF AN ELECTRICAL VEHICLE CAN WORK FOR US VERSUS WHAT WE DID LAST TIME GOING TO HYBRIDS AND WE TOOK ON MORE OF OUR FLEET TO BE HYBRIDS IN A TRIAL THAT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL FOR US AS A PATROL VEHICLE. 
          SO WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE A SLOWER APPROACH WITH ONE VEHICLE VERSUS ADDING TOO MANY TO OUR FLEET. 
          OKAY, I HEAR THAT. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR DEREK, DO THESE THINGS HAVE THE RANGE TO GET THROUGH A FULL DAY OF PATROL OR IS THE OFFICER GONNA HAVE TO STOP AND SWITCH VEHICLES PARTWAY THROUGH THE DAY? I'M GONNA HAVE LANCE COME UP TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS BECAUSE HE'S WAY BETTER AT THIS THAN I AM. 
          HOWEVER, WHEN WE TESTED THIS VEHICLE, SPECIFICALLY THE CHEVY BLAZER, IT DID NOT HAVE THE WEIGHT CAPACITY THAT A PATROL CAR WOULD, IT DID NOT HAVE THE ADDITIONAL ELECTRONICS ON THAT VEHICLE WHEN WE TESTED IT. 
          SO UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TEST IF THAT VEHICLE WILL HOLD A CHARGE FOR THE ENTIRE DAY IF IT HAS TO GO DOWN AT A, AT A PORTION DUE TO THE DRAIN. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET. 
          BUT DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER COUNSEL LANCE WALDROP? UH, SEDONA DOODLEBUG, UH, IN MY CAPACITY, UH, WITH, UH, VOLUNTEERING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE CHIEF HAS TASKED ME WITH SEVERAL THINGS, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS TO ANALYZE THE ELECTRIC CAR. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, THIS IS THE ONLY POLICE PURSUIT VEHICLE MANUFACTURED AND DESIGNED FROM THE GROUND UP AS A POLICE VEHICLE. 
          SO IT IS NOT, SAY A TESLA THAT WE'RE GONNA GRAFT INTO POLICE SERVICE. 
          UM, THE UNIT THAT WE WERE LOANED BY GENERAL MOTORS TO ALPHA TO TO BE THE TEST IS A 2024. 
          UH, THE POTENTIAL UNIT TO PURCHASE WOULD BE A, WOULD BE A MODEL YEAR 26 OR POSSIBLY 27. 
          UH, I DO KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE FIRMWARE THAT DRIVES THIS THING AS OPPOSED TO THE 24 AND HOW IT MANAGES ENERGY CONSUMPTION AND HOW IT CAN RECAPTURE THAT ENERGY, SAY THROUGH, UH, IT'S CALLED REGENERATIVE BRAKING. 
          UH, SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU AN ARBITRARY NUMBER BASED ON THE 2024 OF BETWEEN 175 AND 240 MILES OR SO. 
          THAT IS A VARIABLE FIGURE. 
          IT DEPENDS ON TEMPERATURE, IT DEPENDS ON THE DUTY CYCLE OF THE VEHICLE. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, HOW MANY TIMES HAS IT BEEN DEPLOYED IN VARIOUS CODE OR JUST PATROL SITUATIONS? AND, UH, THAT IS THE TERRITORY. 
          THAT WAS ONE OF THE, THE FOUR VOTES FOR THIS CAR. 
          AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IS BECAUSE WE CAN'T BENCHMARK THIS VEHICLE AGAINST OTHER AGENCIES BECAUSE THE OTHER AGENCIES THAT ARE EMPLOYING IT NOW, IT'S A POOL VEHICLE, IT'S NOT A TAKE HOME VEHICLE. 
          AND THESE AGENCIES ARE BASICALLY MUNICIPAL AGENCIES THAT ARE SURROUNDED BY OTHER MUNICIPAL AGENCIES. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHAT CONVINCED ME THIS WAS A, A WISE MOVE TO MAKE. 
          NOW GRANTED, 
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YOU HAVE ME ABOARD AND THAT IS A MEASURE OF STA SAFETY AND STABILITY. 
          I CAN TOO, MY OWN HORN. 
          UM, I'VE ALSO MADE IT A PRIORITY TO EDUCATE MYSELF ON THIS PLATFORM PRIMARILY BECAUSE IT'S WHAT I DO. 
          AND SECONDARILY, BECAUSE I THINK WE WILL, WE WILL NEED THAT INSIGHT IN THE FUTURE AS WE REVISIT THIS A AFTER INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? HOW FAR DOES A OFFICER, TYPICAL PATROL OFFICER DRIVING A DAY? YOU SAID 170, YOU SAID 175 TO 200 MILES. 
          175 TO 240 OR SO FOR THE 2024, WHICH WAS THE UNIT WE TESTED. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES ON HOW THE VEHICLE RECOVERS ENERGY STORES ENERGY, OKAY. 
          THAT RECONCILE HEAT FOR THE 26 AND 27 MODEL YEAR. 
          SO CHIEF, WHAT'S A NORMAL DAY LIKE FOR A PATROL OFFICER? IT COULD BE, UM, DEPENDING ON IF THEY'RE DOING A TRANSPORT OF A PRISONER TO EITHER FLAGSTAFF OR CAMP VERDE. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES IN THERE. 
          IF IT'S SITTING, IF IT'S IDLING, IF THEY'RE OUT ON CALLS AND ALL OF OUR SYSTEMS ARE ON AND IT'S STILL DRAINING, THAT'S GONNA CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF MILES THAT'S DRIVEN VERSUS THE POLE AGAINST IT WHEN IT'S NOT DOING THE BRAKING THAT HE WAS SAYING. 
          SO AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, AN AVERAGE OFFICER SHIFT IS 12 HOURS. 
          IT CAN BE EXTENDED BECAUSE THEY DRIVE INTO WORK. 
          AND THEN MOST OF US DO NOT LIVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF SEDONA. 
          SO THE DRIVE INTO WORK IS AT LEAST A HALF AN HOUR AND THEN IT'S A HALF AN HOUR HOME. 
          SO WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE VEHICLE DRIVING 13 HOURS IN A DAY, AND I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE ABOUT A HUNDRED MILES ISH. 
          IT COULD BE 60 ON A DAY. 
          IF IT MO MOST OF THE DAY WE'RE IN THE STATION WRITING REPORTS. 
          SO I MEAN, IT'S ALSO GONNA VARY, BUT IF WE'RE DRIVING LIGHTS AND SIRENS TO, UM, INJURY COLLISIONS OR OTHER THINGS THAT WARRANT LIGHTS AND SIRENS, IT'S, IT'S GONNA CHANGE IT AS WELL. 
          DOES THAT GIVE YOU PAUSE? I, I, OVERALL, I THINK, UM, WE NEED TO PILOT SOMETHING BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY SAY IF THIS WOULD BE DOABLE FOR US. 
          UM, I, I THINK IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO SAY IF, UM, OUR DEPARTMENT CAN SUPPORT HAVING ELECTRIC VEHICLES. 
          IF THAT'S WHAT COUNSEL WANTS TO DO BASED ON OUR SUSTAINABILITY, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TRIAL IT. 
          UH, BRYCE WOULD THE, WOULD THIS VEHICLE BE ABLE TO BE CHARGED AT POSSE GROUNDS? UH, YES. 
          THIS, UH, VEHICLE WOULD BE ABLE TO BE, UH, CHARGED AT PRO GROUNDS. 
          UH, AS WELL AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH A PLANNING AND DESIGN PROCESS RIGHT NOW FOR, UH, MUNICIPAL FLEET EV CHARGING STATIONS ACROSS MUNICIPAL PROPERTIES. 
          AND, UH, AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE'VE PRIORITIZED, UH, BEING ABLE TO FACILITATE FASTER CHARGING FOR POLICE VEHICLES. 
          UM, ON AVERAGE, UH, FOR A 19 KILOWATT CHARGER, THEY'LL GET ABOUT, UH, 140 OR SO MILES BACK, UH, WITHIN A FEW HOURS ON A 10 TO 80% CHARGE AT A DC FAST CHARGER, YOU'LL GET A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT MORE. 
          AND WE PRIORITIZE HAVING A DEDICATED DC FAST CHARGER FOR, UH, POLICE VEHICLES TO BE ABLE TO SPEED UP THAT TIME, UH, TO SPEED UP, UH, REDUCE THE DOWNTIME THAT WOULD BE OCCURRING FOR THE VEHICLE ITSELF, BUT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY AT, UH, CHAR OR AT POSSE GROUNDS AS WELL AS THE ONES THAT ARE GOING, UH, IN, AT THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE. 
          SO JUST, I WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING ON THAT. 
          SO HAVING A CHARGING STATION IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IS GOOD IF WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BE STATIONARY THERE, BUT IF OUR, IF WE'RE HERE AND WE BRING A PRISONER HERE, THEN OUR CAR'S HERE AND WE CAN'T HAVE IT AT POSSE GROUNDS. 
          AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS FOR A VEHICLE TO BE DOWN TO CHARGE MEANS THAT OFFICER ISN'T IN SERVICE IF WE CAN'T UNPLUG THE VEHICLE BECAUSE THAT FACTORS INTO THE CHARGE. 
          AGAIN, WHY WE REALLY NEED TO SEE HOW THAT TAKES US IN OUR OPERATIONS AND IF A VEHICLE NEEDS TO GO DOWN, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A SPARE BECAUSE IT'S CHARGING AND NOW THEY NEED TO GET OUT ON A CALL. 
          SO THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES AND IT IS GOOD THAT WE'RE ADDING MORE CHARGING STATIONS, SO THAT DOES LESSEN THE TIME, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT WE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHEN IT'S A VEHICLE THAT NEEDS TO POTENTIALLY GO OUT ON THE ROAD IMMEDIATELY VERSUS IT BEING AN ADMINISTRATIVE VEHICLE WHERE MOST OF MY WORK IS IN THE OFFICE AND IT COULD PROBABLY CHARGE FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE DAY, UNLESS IT'S A LARGER EVENT THAT HAPPENS AROUND TOWN, OR WE COULD STICK WITH INTERNAL COMBUSTION. 
          HMM. 
          I SAID, OR WE COULD STICK WITH INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES. 
          GOOD. 
          JUST, UH, ADD A POINT HERE FOR, FROM THE MISSION SIDE OF THINGS, POLICE VEHICLES MAKE UP OVER HALF OF OUR FLEET EMISSIONS. 
          UM, AND WE ARE NOT, WE AS, UH, CHIEF ALWAYS SAID, WE'RE NOT ADVOCATING FOR LIKE, PULLING THE BANDAID OFF LIKE MANY OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE DONE AND JUST SAID HERE TO THROW 70 SOME ODD VEHICLES AT POLICE, UH, PURSUIT RATE OR, UH, EVS FOR POLICE VEHICLES. 
          WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS, UH, EVER SINCE I'VE GOT ON IT WAS INITIALLY A, A FORD MACH E THAT WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON. 
          AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO TRY IT AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, FINE, 
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WE'LL FIGURE OUT, UH, ANOTHER OPTION. 
          BUT HAVING FIVE YEARS WORTH OF DISCUSSIONS AND FINDING OPTIONS AND TRYING TO FIND OUR PATH FORWARD, IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR US ON OUR END TO MEET OUR, UH, SUSTAINABILITY GOALS AS WELL AS, UH, TRYING TO FIND THOSE, THOSE AVENUES WHERE WE CAN FIND REDUCTIONS IF WE CAN'T, UH, CONVERT, UH, FLEET EMISSIONS OR REDUCE THOSE FLEET EMISSIONS. 
          ALYSSA, UM, JUST, JUST A COUPLE OF REALLY QUICK QUESTIONS. 
          SO THIS IS NOT A REPLACEMENT VEHICLE, THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL VEHICLE, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          IT WOULD BE IN ADDITION. 
          SO IF THIS DIDN'T WORK OUT, THAT OFFICER DOESN'T HAVE TO GO OUT OF SERVICE CURRENTLY, YOU HAVE A VEHICLE THAT THAT OFFICER COULD GO AND USE, WE WOULD USE A SPARE VEHICLE, CORRECT. 
          SO ALL OF OUR VEHICLES ARE ASSIGNED AND THEN WE HAVE SPARES IN CASE ONE GOES OUT. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO, SO BASICALLY THIS PERSON ISN'T GONNA BE SITTING THERE WISHING THEY HAD REPORTS TO WRITE BECAUSE THEIR VEHICLE IS CHARGING. 
          THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD GO INTO A SPARE VEHICLE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TWO ASSIGNED POTENTIALLY SO THAT WE DIDN'T PUT THAT SPARE OUT INTO, IT WOULDN'T GO ASSIGNED TO SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          WE WOULD NEED TO KEEP ONE SET ASIDE FOR THE PERSON THAT HAD AN EV VEHICLE SO THAT IF IT DID GO DOWN MAINTENANCE OR ANYTHING, THERE IS ANOTHER VEHICLE FOR THEM TO DRIVE, BUT THAT'S TRUE FOR ANY VEHICLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO EVEN IF I HAVE A INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE VEHICLE FOR SOME REASON IT FAILS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT ME IN ANOTHER CAR. 
          WE ARE, BUT YES. 
          YEAH, IT, IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FOR OUR ASSIGNMENT IS WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          WE WOULD SPECIFICALLY HAVE ONE SET ASIDE FOR THIS PERSON FOR THAT, BUT YES, WE DO HAVE SPARE ASSIGNMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE COST IS FOR DOING THE INSTALLATION AT THE INDIVIDUAL'S HOME? WE ESTIMATED IT WOULD BE ANYWHERE FROM $250 TO 600 DEPENDING ON THE HOME AND THE LOCATION. 
          UH, MY QUESTION IS BASED ON THE IDEA THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS THAT VEHICLE MAY CHANGE JOBS MAY MOVE AWAY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO UNINSTALL THE CHARGER AND INSTALL THAT CHARGER SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE YOU MAY THEN HAVE TO UPGRADE THAT PERSON'S ELECTRICAL SYSTEM IF THEY DON'T HAVE A TWO 20. 
          SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE IFFY HOME MAINTENANCE POTENTIALLY AROUND THIS IF THE OFFICER CHOOSES TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE? CORRECT. 
          AM I, AM I SAYING THAT CORRECT? IT WOULD JUST BE WITHIN OUR CURRENT VEHICLE MAINTENANCE BUDGET THAT WE WOULD FACTOR THAT IN. 
          BUT YES, THAT IS A POTENTIAL AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO, UM, ASK FOR WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS SO THAT IT'S NOT AS MUCH OF AN INCONVENIENCE AND THAT IT WOULD BE SOMEBODY THAT OWNS THEIR HOME FOR HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE AND OTHER ISSUES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          SO IT'S THREE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, SO TO SPEAK, AND YOU DISCOVER THIS IS NOT WORKING OUT. 
          WE'VE JUST SPENT LET'S SAY 120, $125,000 BETWEEN THE CAR AND THE INSTALLATION AND, AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW YET. 
          SO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THIS VEHICLE? IT WOULD GO INTO OUR FLEET AND PROBABLY BECOME AN ADMINISTRATIVE VEHICLE. 
          IF NOT THEN SEE IF THERE WAS A CITY NEED FOR IT ONCE WE REMOVED EQUIPMENT, BUT MOST LIKELY IT WOULD GO TO AN ADMINISTRATIVE VEHICLE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND JUST ONE LAST QUESTION. 
          THE, IS THERE ANY CITY RIGHT NOW THAT'S USING THIS VEHICLE? CURRENTLY, THE CITY OF STERLING HEIGHTS, MICHIGAN IS UTILIZING ONE, UH, CORRECTION. 
          THEY'RE UTILIZING A FLEET OF THEM. 
          HOWEVER, AS I SAID BEFORE, THIS IS A POOL ISSUE, VEHICLE, IT'S NOT A TAKE HOME VEHICLE. 
          AND THEIR NEEDS ARE DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED, BOTH GEOGRAPHICALLY TEMPERATURE AS WELL AS DUTY CYCLE TO THE CITY OF SEDONA. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT HEAT, HEAT AND HEAT AND COLD HAVE THE SAME IMPACT ON, ON BATTERIES BECAUSE I HAVE AN EV SO I AM, I AM AWARE, BUT MY, MY QUESTION WAS, IS THERE ANYONE WHO'S USING IT AS YOU INTEND TO USE THIS? NO. 
          SOMEWHERE. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT OF TRYING TO BENCHMARK THIS VEHICLE SO WE CAN DETERMINE THAT IS THE COUNSEL CAN DETERMINE, UH, IN THE FUTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, WE MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT FOR A VENDOR TO COME UP WITH A PRODUCT THAT'S BETTER SUITED FOR US. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THIS, THAT ONE OF THE, THE ATTRACTIVE FEATURES OF THIS PARTICULAR CAR IS THAT, UH, IT REALLY ISN'T THAT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE ICE OR THE HYBRID VERSION. 
          THEY, THEY TOOK AN ELECTRIC POWERTRAIN AND PLUGGED IT INTO A CONVENTIONAL MOTOR VEHICLE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE BATTERY PACK AND THE WEIGHT ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          BUT IT, THIS THING HAD PROBABLY FOUR YEARS OF LEAD R AND D TIME AND IT WAS A LOT OF FEDERAL MONEY THAT WENT INTO BASICALLY CREATING SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CRAFT AND UTILIZE OURSELF NOW. 
          AND, AND FINALLY, THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF AN ANECDOTE. 
          UH, I DON'T ATTACH MY NAME TO LOSING 
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PROSPECTS. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          SO IF IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THIS THING'S GONNA WORK, THEN I WOULD NOT, I WOULD NOT BE TALKING OR I WOULDN'T BE TALKING TO YOU NOW. 
          THANK YOU'S. 
          MY DID YOU WANNA SAY, BECAUSE PETE, I THINK BRYCE HAS ALSO DONE SOME RESEARCH AS WELL AND, AND I BELIEVE FLAGSTAFF'S GETTING READY TO DO IT, BUT YOU CAN TALK TO SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES THAT ARE GONNA TRY CAR ACTUALLY, I KIND OF DEFER TO FOR ZACH ON THAT ONE. 
          SO IT, THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, UH, I'M MISSING A COUPLE. 
          THERE'S THE, THE CITY OF FLAG STAFF AND, UH, GILBERT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          UH, SO CITY OF FLAGSTAFF AND GILBERT, UH, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE SAME TESTING, UH, PROCESS AND, AND EVALUATING IT FOR THEIR OWN FLEETS. 
          UH, WE'RE ROUTINELY TRYING TO F UH, REACH OUT TO ADDITIONAL MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE DONE FULL SCALE TESLA CONVERSIONS, UH, HAVE DONE MACH E'S FORD, F-150 LIGHTNINGS. 
          THIS ONE, AS LANCE MENTIONED, IS THE FIRST THAT'S FULL PURSUIT RATED VEHICLE. 
          ALL THE OTHER ONES WERE RETROFITS. 
          UM, SO IN THAT SENSE, THIS IS A STEP UP FROM THE OFFERINGS THAT WERE JUST AVAILABLE LIKE 12 MONTHS AGO FOR US TO, TO LOOK AT WHEN THIS, UH, WAS BACK BEFORE COUNCIL. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          UH, WE'VE TALKED TO CITY OF PHILADELPHIA AS WELL AS, UM, THERE'S THE, IT WAS THE CITY IN CALIFORNIA WAS THE RIGHT THEY DID TEST THOSE UP. 
          YEAH, BUT THEY DID NOT DO, THEY DID TEST. 
          GOTCHA. 
          I FORGOT THERE'S ONE MORE THING. 
          UH, CURRENTLY, UH, UH, UH, OUR HIGHWAY PATROL DHS IS ACTUALLY, THEY'VE SPECKED ONE OUT AND IT HAS A BUILD SHEET CURRENTLY WITH THE UPFITTER CALLED AIRWAVE, WHICH WE HAVE USED, IT'S ONE OF ABOUT A HALF A DOZEN WITHIN THE, UH, STATE OF ARIZONA. 
          I REACHED OUT TO ONE OF THE VENDORS THAT SUPPLIES A LOT OF OUR LIGHT BARS AND RADIOS AND PERIPHERALS THAT ACTUALLY HAD COMPONENTS GOING INTO THIS CAR. 
          AND I HAVE YET TO GET A CUT SHEET BACK, BUT, UH, AS SOON AS I DO, OBVIOUSLY THE CHAIN OF COMMAND'S GONNA HAVE IT. 
          AND SO IS DPS NOT USING THEM YET? IT IS, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, IN PRODUCTION. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE GONNA USE A 26 OR 27, BUT, UH, THE, UH, THE REP OVER AIRWAVE SAID THEY ARE INDEED, UH, CRAFTING THE UNIT OR THEY'RE, THEY'RE CRAFTING THE SPEC SHEET WITH THE INTENT THAT ARIZONA'S GONNA ISSUE 1D PS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MAYBE DPS FLAGSTAFF GILBERT, HOW DO YOU, YOU ADDRESSED, HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THE WORKING GROUP'S IDEA THAT BE A FAST FOLLOWER RATHER THAN A PIONEER HERE? UH, MY DISCUSSION WITH THAT IS THAT FIVE YEARS OF DISCUSSION IS, IS ESSENTIALLY THAT FAST FOLLOWER. 
          WE, WE COULD HAVE BEEN A, A CITY THAT JUST HAD, WE'RE SWAPPING OVER TO RETROFITTED TESLAS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 
          UH, WE DID NOT DO THAT. 
          WE'VE, UH, TAKEN A MORE PRAGMATIC APPROACH IN OUR, UH, IMPLEMENTATION OF IT. 
          UM, AND SO THE ASPECT OF IMPLEMENTING ONE, TRYING IT OUT, TRYING TO ADVANCE THAT, TO ME THAT'S A FAST FOLLOWER. 
          THAT'S NOT SOMEBODY THAT'S SITTING THERE SAYING, WE'RE GONNA GO FULL BORE AND SWAP EVERYTHING OVER TOMORROW AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND LIVE WITH THE REPERCUSSIONS LATER. 
          IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. 
          IT IT, IT DOES AND IT KIND OF TOUCHES ON WHAT I ASKED BEFORE THAT WE, WE ACTUALLY DID TRY SOMETHING BEFORE. 
          IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN FOR GREENHOUSE GASES, BUT WE TRIED SOMETHING WITH HYBRID VEHICLES AND IT DIDN'T WORK WELL AT ALL FOR US, BUT WE WENT IN MORE THAN JUST ONE VEHICLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE, WE TRIED TO SWALLOW THE WHOLE THING, AND THAT DIDN'T WORK SO WELL. 
          SO NOW WE'RE DOING JUST ONE VEHICLE. 
          BUT I STILL, IN MY MIND, WOULD'VE ASKED THE SAME QUESTION AS THE WORKING GROUP ABOUT ARE WE READY TO, I MEAN, 'CAUSE ESSENTIALLY WE'RE PIONEERING IT IN THE VERDE VALLEY, AND ARE WE REALLY READY TO THINK ABOUT, TO TAKE THAT RISK AGAIN? IT DIDN'T WORK OUT ONCE BEFORE, BUT IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THIS TIME. 
          I GET IT. 
          SO I, I THINK WHEN, WHEN WE'VE TALKED BEFORE, JUST IN GENERAL ABOUT CLIMATE ACTION, THE, THE ASPECT OF WAITING FOR THE PERFECT SOLUTION THAT SOLVES EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR PROBLEMS, IT THAT DOESN'T COME. 
          SO US BEING ABLE TO EVALUATE EVERY ONE OF OUR PROJECTS TO SEE WHAT THAT BENEFIT IS, HOW CAN WE IMPLEMENT IT AND BE ABLE TO PUSH THAT FORWARD. 
          SO WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT LEADING BY EXAMPLE. 
          IF THIS PILOT IS ABLE TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND WE'RE ABLE TO SHOW THAT WE CAN DO IT HERE IN SEDONA, THEN WE CAN EASILY ENCOURAGE OUR FELLOW COLLEAGUES IN COTTONWOOD, CAMP VERDE AND SO ON, THAT YOU CAN DO THESE SAME THINGS IN RURAL COMMUNITIES. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S A BALANCING POINT OF SITTING BACK AND WATCHING SOMEBODY ELSE DO IT VERSUS TRYING TO FIND THAT PATH FORWARD FOR US OF HOW WE CAN IMPLEMENT IT, AND THEN LEAD BY EXAMPLE ON CLIMATE ACTION FOR SEDONA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE READY FOR CHUCK . 
          THAT'S ACTUALLY ME. 
          I'M GONNA, YEAH, THIS IS MINE, NOT CHUCK'S. 
          OH, IT'S YOU? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
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ALL RIGHT. 
          SO YEAH, SHUT DOWN CHUCK. 
          NOT SO FAST. 
          YOU'VE BEEN WAITING ALL AFTERNOON. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, SO HOLD THAT UP. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UH, WE ARE ASKING, THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM IS ASKING FOR $75,000 FOR, UM, A FEW UPGRADES TO THE WEBSITE. 
          UM, THIS WOULD INCLUDE NEW SKIN ENHANCED DISPLAY FEATURES AND A REDESIGN NAVIGATION DROPDOWN. 
          UM, THIS IS TO HELP WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE GOT A NEW WEBSITE IN 2020, EARLY 2020, LATE 2019. 
          UM, AND SO SIX YEARS IN, I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE HAVE A REFRESH ON THE SKIN AND, AND KIND OF, UM, LOOK AT HOW TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO FIND THINGS ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          EVEN US, WE HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING THINGS ON THE WEBSITE AND WE'RE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE ALLEGEDLY THAN THE PUBLIC. 
          IS  SIX YEARS IN AND THE WEB WORLD SIDE, IS IT REALLY TIME FOR A COMPLETE UPGRADE? SO THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ASK WAS A COMPLETE UPGRADE. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF, SO JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST, UH, YEAR AND A HALF, WE'VE BEEN DOING AN OPTIMIZATION PROJECT, GOING THROUGH EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT, UM, COMBING THROUGH ALL THE CONTENT, UM, FIGURING OUT WITH, WITH THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE NOW, HOW CAN WE DISPLAY IT THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN? UM, WE ARE NOT COMPLETE WITH THAT. 
          WE'RE HOPING TO BE DONE WITH THAT BY THE END OF JUNE. 
          MY THOUGHT WAS THAT THE, UH, FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO WOULD BE TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT, NOW THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE CONTENT, UM, AND WE'VE GOT AT LEAST WHAT'S DISPLAYED ON THE PAGE FOR EACH DEPARTMENT WHERE WE WANT IT TO BE. 
          UM, WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO WITH WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH NOW? SO HAVE WE GONE INTO THE BACKEND OF ALL OF OUR DOCUMENTS AND PAGES TO MAKE THE SEARCH FUNCTION WORK BETTER? WE HAVEN'T. 
          WE'VE DONE THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THERE'S ROOM TO GROW THERE. 
          SO RATHER THAN, THAN LAUNCH INTO A BRAND NEW, UM, PROJECT, AND ALSO WITH WORKLOAD, UH, MY THOUGHT WAS TO MAKE SURE AND REALLY USE THE TOOL THAT WE HAVE TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. 
          AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE CONTENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WITH THAT, UH, THE, WITH THIS, UM, DECISION PACKAGE, THE SKIN. 
          SO THE LOOK AND FEEL WILL CHANGE, BUT THE BACK END WILL STILL BE THE SAME FOR US. 
          UM, WHEN YOU GO TO A NEW SYSTEM, IT'S, IT'S CHANGING THE BACK END AND THE FRONT END. 
          SO I THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY TO KEEP THE BACK END. 
          LET'S SEE IF WE CAN DO THIS AS A, A, MAYBE A PHASED APPROACH. 
          LET'S SEE IF, UM, CHANGING THE SKIN, UM, GETS US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. 
          OR DOES THE BACKEND NEED TO CHANGE AS WELL? IT IS A, IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL, I'VE DONE IT, UM, AT NAU, UH, I, IT IS SUBSTANTIAL PROJECT TO COMPLETELY CHANGE VENDORS AND LAUNCH INTO, UM, A BRAND NEW SYSTEM. 
          SO I'M REALLY HOPING THAT BY GETTING A NEW SKIN, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN CHANGE, UM, CHANGE IT FOR THE BETTER AND NOT NEED TO COMPLETELY REDO THE BACKEND. 
          UM, PART OF THIS IS ALSO, UH, I WOULD, THERE, THERE'S A RESIDENT THAT'S PROBABLY, THAT PERSON'S PROBABLY LISTENING AND HE'S, AND HE IS GETTING EXCITED, BUT, UM, THAT PERSON'S BEEN ASKING ME FOR YEARS TO BE ON A WORK GROUP TO SAY, CAN YOU LET ME, UM, GO THROUGH THIS WITH OTHER PEOPLE AND TELL YOU WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T WORK? THAT'S PART OF THIS. 
          UM, MY ASK, UH, IS TO ALSO MEET WITH RESIDENTS TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT WERE YOU HOPING TO FIND? WHERE DID YOU END UP? UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE NEED BETTER ACCESS TO AND HOW TO, EVEN THE NOMENCLATURE, RIGHT? UM, WE KNOW WHAT THE DEPARTMENTS ARE AND WHERE TO FIND PEOPLE AND WHO WORKS IN THOSE DEPARTMENTS, BUT NOBODY ELSE DOES. 
          AND I FIND THAT EVEN WHEN I TRY AND LOOK AT A DIFFERENT CITY'S WEBSITE, I CAN'T EVEN, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS MY WORLD, IT'S STILL HARD FOR ME TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT. 
          SO YEAH, DOING ALL THOSE THINGS AND, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ALL ANY OF THAT. 
          RIGHT? AND I TOO WOULD HAVE A LIST OF, I'D LIKE THIS TO LOOK DIFFERENT WHEN I'VE INTERACTED WITH THE WEBSITE. 
          UM, I, SO I GUESS MY, SOME OF THIS FEELS IN SOME WAY, LIKE THE ERP DECISION. 
          YES. 
          YOU KNOW, ARE WE, IF WE INVEST IN THE SKIN, AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, REALLY , I WOULD LOOK TO COUNCILOR FOLTZ. 
          HE'S PROBABLY THOUGHT ABOUT HIS WEBSITE MORE THAN ANY OF US RECENTLY. 
          . 
          UM, IF WE INVEST IN THE SKIN, BUT NEXT YEAR WE FIND OUT THAT THE BACKEND REALLY NEEDS TO GO, DO WE JUST THROW AWAY MONEY ON THE 
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SKIN? OR DO YOU PUT THE NEW SKIN ON THE NEW, THE OLD, THE SKIN ON THE NEW BONES, , I DUNNO HOW TO SAY IT. 
          PART OF THIS IS WHAT THEY CALL INFORMATION ARCHITECTURE AND, AND LOOKING AT HOW THE SITE IS, UM, FUNDAMENTALLY ORGANIZED. 
          AND, AND THAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THIS 75,000. 
          UM, WHAT A MORE, ANYTHING FROM ONE 50 TO TWO 50 IS A BRAND NEW, UM, UH, LIKE I SAID, FRONT END AND BACK END. 
          UM, I'M HOPING THAT I CAN GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE WITH, WITH A NEW SKIN. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM, UM, RECOGNIZES NEEDS TO CHANGE AND THEY, THEY HAVE A DESIRE TO, PART OF MY JOB AS, AS A LEADER TO THOSE PEOPLE IS TO TRY AND METER THEIR WORKLOAD. 
          AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE DEPARTMENT, I THINK THAT WE CAN HANDLE A NEW SKIN. 
          I AM WORRIED ABOUT TAKING ON, UM, AN ENTIRELY NEW PROJECT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A BRAND NEW ERP SYSTEM AND JUST SO MUCH CHANGE THAT'S GOING ON THROUGH THE ORGANIZATION. 
          SO IT'S WHAT I THINK IS REALISTIC AND I'M, I'M TRYING TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN RESIDENT AND COUNSELOR NEEDS. 
          UM, AND, AND WHAT I FEEL LIKE WE CAN ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH AND, UM, AND KEEP A RELATIVELY, UH, DECENT WORK LIFE BALANCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WOULD THIS BE DONE BY THE VENDOR? THE WORK, OR BY THE IT DEPARTMENT? UH, NN NEITHER. 
          IT WOULD MOSTLY BE DONE BY THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM. 
          OH. 
          SO, UM, ROB CELESTE AND HOPEFULLY A NEW COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          HOPEFULLY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          MELISSA, IT WILL HAVE HELP. 
          THEY WILL HAVE INPUT ON THIS. 
          I SHOULD SAY . 
          DON'T WORRY, CHUCK. 
          SO I, I'VE DONE THESE MANY TIMES TOO, RIGHT? UM, AND I HAD THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING DEVELOPERS AND TAXONOMIST AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF, BUT I'M A SEARCHER. 
          I'M NOT A BROWSER. 
          UM, AND SO WHATEVER YOU DO TO YOUR DROP DOWN IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT ME ONE LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I'M A SEARCHER. 
          AND, UM, WITHOUT FIXING THE TAXONOMY AND FIXING THE TAGGING THAT'S ON THE CONTENT, YES, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO SOLVE MY PROBLEM, WHICH IS THE RIGHT STUFF SHOWING UP IN THE RIGHT ORDER. 
          SO A NEW SKIN IS, IS GREAT, AND YOU CAN PUT A NEW SKIN ON NEW BONES,  AND OLD SKINS ON NEW BONES. 
          BUT, UM, THAT I JUST, I JUST WANNA SAY ANYBODY OUT THERE WHO'S A SEARCHER, THIS MAY NOT BE A SOLUTION FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO FIND THE CONTENT THAT THEY WANT. 
          I THINK YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT. 
          YOU ARE RIGHT IN WHAT YOU SAY. 
          UM, IT HAS BEEN AN ONGOING PROJECT THAT WE HAVE STARTED AND WE ARE NOT NEARLY COMPLETE WITH IT. 
          UM, BUT IT'S OUR GOAL TO GO THROUGH. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOKED INTO THE SEARCH, I, I WENT THROUGH A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS AND, YOU KNOW, COMPANIES WILL SAY, OH, OURS IS BETTER. 
          AND I SAY, WELL, WHY? AND THEY SAY IT'S PROPRIETARY. 
          UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, IT'S FRUSTRATING BECAUSE I THINK, WELL, I DON'T WANNA PITCH A $250,000 CHANGE IF YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE ME AND YOU CAN'T WALK ME THROUGH WHY YOURS IS, IS BIGGER AND BETTER. 
          UM, BUT IT LED ME TO BELIEVE, UH, WHAT'S OUR OWNERSHIP ROLE IN MAKING SURE THAT THE SEARCH FUNCTION WORKS? BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S THE SEARCH FUNCTION AND THEN THERE'S THE WORK THAT WE HAVE TO DO ON THE BACK END TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, UM, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IS SET IS, IS FED TO THAT SEARCH ENGINE. 
          AND, AND WE HAVEN'T COMPLETED THAT EFFORT. 
          AND SO, UM, TO ME, AT LEAST IN THIS PHASE OF THINGS, UM, MY COMMITMENT WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD DONE ALL OF THE META TAGGING, UM, THAT WE NEEDED TO DO, UH, AND THEN SEE IF THE SEARCH WORKS THE WAY WE WANT IT TO. 
          ROB AND I HAVE A JOKE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SAYS, I CAN'T FIND SOMETHING, AND I SAY, WHAT IS IT? AND I PUT IT INTO THE SEARCH BAR AND IT COMES UP AS THE FIRST RESULT AND ROB PUTS IT IN AND IT, AND SOMEHOW IT DOESN'T WORK. 
          SO, UM, WE GET IT. 
          WE GO THROUGH THE SAME FRUSTRATION AND IT'S A, IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, BRIAN, SO ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING AI AS THE SEARCH FUNCTIONALITY? 'CAUSE THAT BASICALLY, UH, ALLOWS YOU TO BE LESS SPOT ON ON THE TAXONOMY AND SO FORTH, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE USING NATURAL LANGUAGE INTENT, UH, INSTEAD. 
          YES. 
          AND, AND YOU TOUCH ON, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT INTERNALLY AS WELL, WHICH IS THE PERSON SEARCHING DOESN'T KNOW WHAT OUR TERMINOLOGY IS FOR IT. 
          THEY HAVE THEIR OWN TERMINOLOGY FOR IT. 
          THEY DON'T CALL IT A BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY, THEY CALL IT WHATEVER ELSE THEY CALL IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO FIGURING OUT HOW TO, HOW TO FILL IN THAT GAP, UM, 
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IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD WITH OUR CURRENT VEN VENDOR, GRANICUS, AND, UM, SOMETHING THAT I'LL EXPLORE FURTHER. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LAUREN. 
          BRYCE, BACK TO YOU. 
          UH, NO, I THINK YOU'RE UP TO THE SEAT. 
          OH YEAH, YOU RIGHT. 
          HAZARDOUS WASTE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          I READ IT WRONG. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, SO FOR THE HAZARDOUS WASTE DOOR TO DOOR, UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, OUR HAZARDOUS WASTE EVENTS HAVE GOTTEN EXTREMELY POPULAR. 
          UH, WE HAD RECORD TURNOUT THIS LAST YEAR AND HAD SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND BACKUP ON THE HIGHWAYS. 
          UM, AND SO IN, UH, ORDER FOR US, OR ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT WE HAD TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC AND BACKUP, UM, AND CONGESTION ISSUES THAT WE HAD, AS WELL AS INCREASE THE ACCESSIBILITY, UH, FOR FOLKS THAT, UH, MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TRAVEL BY CAR IN THE, LIKE, UH, TO THOSE EVENTS IS THAT WE WOULD, UH, CREATE A PILOT FOR A DOOR TO DOOR SERVICE, UH, FOR, UH, ROUGHLY 200 HOMES IN THE AREA. 
          THE, UM, NOTION IS, IS THAT THEY WOULD REGISTER FOR THOSE, UH, FOR, UH, COLLECTIVE DROP-OFF DATE THAT WOULD BE SCHEDULED, A VENDOR WOULD COME UP AND THEN, UH, ROUTE THAT, UH, THOSE HOMES STOP AT EACH ONE OF THOSE HOMES, REDUCE THE SHEER AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT IS ON THE ROADWAYS, COLLECT A SIMILAR AMOUNT OF WASTE AND TYPE OF WASTE. 
          UH, THE OVERALL WASTE AMOUNT DROPS A LITTLE BIT JUST BECAUSE OF, UH, THE LOGISTICS WITH THE ROUTING AND, AND SO ON. 
          INSTEAD, IT WAS HAVING COLLECTIVELY A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING INTO ONE LOCATION. 
          UM, AT ONE TIME, UH, FOR THE EVENT, UH, HISTORICALLY, THE, THE FALL EVENT COSTS, UH, ROUGHLY, UH, $70,000. 
          UH, THE AVA PI COUNTY HAS COVERED, UM, THE, THE PROGRAMS OPEN TO UNINCORPORATED AVA PI COUNTY PARTICIPANTS. 
          'CAUSE THE YAVAPAI COUNTY, UH, CAN COVERS THAT PORTION OF ATTENDEES WHO WERE, UM, UNINCORPORATED OUT OF THE PERCENTAGE BREAKDOWN FOR THAT. 
          SO THEY HAVE FUNDED A GOOD CHUNK OF OUR FALL EVENTS, BUT THIS ONE WOULD BE, UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT FALL EVENT, TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY AND ALSO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE, UH, CONGESTION CONCERNS. 
          THAT WAS A VERY QUICK ELEVATOR PITCH. 
          GO AHEAD, MOLLY. 
          MAY I ASK QUESTIONS? OH, MELISSA, YOU READY? UM, SO I WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE,  WHO AS A RESIDENT SENT IN, HEY, I SPENT HOURS IN LINE AND DIDN'T EVEN GET CLOSE. 
          UM, BUT HOW WOULD I HEARD TWO PROBLEMS HERE? SO THERE'S, THERE'S THE PROBLEM OF PEOPLE HAVE CARS, BUT THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE SHOWING UP. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S THE ONE THAT YOU MENTIONED WHERE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE CARS AND HAVE NO WAY OF GETTING THEIR HAZARDOUS WASTE TO A COLLECTION POINT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY DON'T HAVE A CAR. 
          THOSE, TO ME, ARE TWO FUNDAMENTALLY VERY DIFFERENT PROBLEMS. AND THIS DOOR TO DOOR MIGHT SOLVE THE, THE LATTER ONE WHERE I'M NOT ABLE TO ACTUALLY GET THERE, BUT I HAVE A BROKEN TV SET OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU WILL ALLOW THEM TO GIVE YOU. 
          UM, THAT, THAT I SEE HOW THIS WORKS. 
          AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT, I MIGHT SUGGEST ONE OF THE THINGS IS AGAIN, GO TALK TO LAKE VERDE VALLEY, UM, CAREGIVERS COALITION AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S SOMETHING THEY CAN DO TO HELP YOU. 
          'CAUSE A LOT OF THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE HOMEBOUND. 
          ON THE OTHER HAND, I WANT TO ASK YOU, IF YOU DID JUST TWO DAYS, WOULD YOU KNOW IN A ROW WOULD THAT SOLVE THE, THERE'S TOO MANY CAR PROBLEMS. AND YOU KNOW, BY ZONE YOU CAN SAY, IF YOU'RE IN THESE ZONES, YOU COME ON SATURDAY OR FRIDAY OR WHATEVER, BY THESE ZONES, YOU COME ON, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER DAY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST DIFFERENTIAL IS HERE FOR THAT. 
          AND I, AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH OF THOSE PROBLEMS YOU'RE FUNDAMENTALLY TRYING TO SOLVE WITH DOOR TO DOOR. 
          SO FOR, UM, A LITTLE BIT BACKTRACK ON FOR THE, THE SINGULAR EVENTS, WE'VE ALSO JUST HAD AN ISSUE ON, UM, LOCATION, UH, AVAILABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY FORM AND BEING ABLE TO PROCESS THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT GO THROUGH. 
          WE'VE HAD IT HERE AT CITY HALL. 
          UH, IT'S BACKED UP ON US, UH, PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          WE'VE HAD IT, UH, OUT AT WEST SEDONA SCHOOL, UH, PARKING LOT. 
          UH, THAT ONE IS DONE, OR WE'VE HAD THE SPRING EVENTS, UH, HELD AT THAT LOCATION AND LIKE THAT'S DONE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          BUT JUST THE SHEER SCALE, THE NUM NUMBER OF CARS WE'RE COMING THROUGH, WE'RE HAVING AN ISSUE ON A LOGISTICAL SPOT WITHIN THE CITY THAT CAN HANDLE, UH, THE TRAFFIC EFFECTIVELY. 
          UH, MY COLLEAGUE SARAH HAS, HAS BEEN, UH, WE'RE IN DISCUSSIONS ON HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THAT EVENT ITSELF, THOUGH, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A A TIME SYSTEM OR AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, A KNOW YOUR ZONE, UH, COMPONENT TO IT, WHERE WE HAVE SET TIMES FOR THAT, THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO ALLEVIATE THAT. 
          UH, I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN DRIVERS THOUGH IS THAT THE LOCATIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE HAVE, UH, SCHEDULING CONFLICTS. 
          UH, THEY HAVE SITE CONCERNS. 
          THEY HAVE JUST 
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ISSUES WITH JUST BEING ABLE TO, TO, UH, PROPERLY NAVIGATE THAT TRAFFIC, UM, WITH HOW POPULAR THEY'VE BECOME. 
          I THINK IF WE HOSTED A SECOND DAY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD SPREAD OUT THAT 430 OR SO FOLKS THAT WE HAD LAST FALL OVER TWO DAYS AND BE, BE NICE AND EASY OR WE WOULD SAY, OR JUST ENCOURAGES MORE FOLKS WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND WITHIN THAT. 
          UM, AS WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO BALANCE THOSE OBJECTIVES THAT PUBLIC WORKS HAS AND THE LIKE OF REDUCING CONGESTION ON OUR ROADWAYS. 
          IF WE CAN DO IT IN A MANNER THAT HAS ONE SERVICE TRUCK ROUTING THROUGH, UH, PEOPLE'S HOMES, THEN ON THAT ASPECT, I HAVE ONE TRUCK DOING THAT VERSUS 400 SOME ODD VEHICLES TRAVELING. 
          THE ONE CENTRAL LOCATION TRYING TO DO, UH, AN ADDITIONAL OBJECTIVE THERE ON THE DOOR TO DOOR SIDE OF THINGS THOUGH, UM, WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IS THAT THE ASPECT FOR HAVING A RESIDENT BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE, THAT THEY, WE HAVE A FORM TO FILL OUT THAT WE'VE, UH, LOOKED AT THAT YOU COULD ESSENTIALLY QUALIFY AS LIKE, DO, DO YOU NEED HOME SERVICES FOR THIS TO BE ABLE TO QUAL, UH, SEE HOW MANY FOLKS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY IN NEED OF THAT, UH, DOOR TO DOOR FROM AN ACCESSIBILITY SIDE SIDE OF THINGS. 
          BUT WE THOUGHT THAT THIS OFFERING AS A PILOT WOULD BE ABLE TO TEST OUT EXPANDING THE SERVICE WHILE STILL BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL OPTIONS THAT WE CAN THEN EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. 
          WE DON'T, UH, WE HAVEN'T HAD THIS, UH, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THIS ONE AS AN ONGOING ONE. 
          THIS FIRST PILOT IS TO EVALUATE IS IT EFFECTIVE? AND THEN IF IT WAS, WE'D COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A MORE OF AN ONGOING, UH, PROPOSAL FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX AND TRYING TO MAKE THIS A BETTER COLLECTION EVENT. 
          UM, BUT, UM, HOW DO YOU HANDLE IF SOMEBODY REGISTERS, YOU'VE GOT LIKE 200 SPOTS, YOU SAID THROWING A NUMBER OUT AND IF YOU'RE RUNNING AROUND TOWN TO GET THIS STUFF FOR ONE PERSON'S LITTLE CUP OF LITTLE RECYCLABLE BATTERIES, YOU KNOW, OR ONE PERSON'S BLOW DRYER THEY WANT TO THROW OUT OR, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT HOW IT BECOMES A, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT? THAT IS WASTEFUL IN AND OF ITSELF AS WELL TO GO FOR WHEN YOU CAN'T COLLECT LARGER, UH, AMOUNTS OF THINGS. 
          HAVE YOU THOUGHT THAT ABOUT THAT? YEAH, THE, THE VENDOR THAT WE'VE, UH, WE'VE CHATTED WITH ON, ON THIS PROGRAM HAS RUN SIMILAR PROGRAMS DOWN IN SCOTTSDALE, UM, BELIEVE MESA AND THE LIKE, AND THEY'VE SET KIND OF QUALIFIERS OF A MINIMUM AMOUNT FOR COLLECTION MAXIMUM AMOUNT AND SO ON THAT WE WOULD HAVE, UH, STIPULATED IN THE, IN THE CONTRACTS OR THE OUTREACH FOR, FOR THE PROGRAMS. AND SO TO REDUCE THAT ASPECT OF SOMEBODY'S DRIVING A, A BOX TRUCK FROM PHOENIX TO PICK UP A HANDFUL OF BATTERIES, UM, FROM THAT ASPECT, WE WOULD HAVE A MINIMUM OF MAX THAT WOULD JUST BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I TOO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND THEY SOUND, A LOT OF MY THOUGHTS WERE THE SAME AS COUNSELOR DUNN THOUGHT THOSE WERE TWO. 
          IT WAS A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT THE TWO DIFFERENT ELEMENTS AND I THINK ABOUT THAT AS WELL. 
          AND SO IF, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THIS AS A PILOT PROGRAM IN, IN MY MIND, I WAS MORE INTERESTED IN SOLVING THIS ISSUE ABOUT WHO CAN'T GO TO THE EVENTS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY. 
          AND THEN HOW WOULD YOU FIND THEM AND KNOW THAT THERE ACTUALLY CAN'T GO AND NOT JUST ONE OF THE 200 THAT GETS SELECTED. 
          AND THANK GOD I DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE TO THE HIGH SCHOOL NEXT YEAR AND, YOU KNOW, MY PROBLEM IS SOLVED, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT AREN'T. 
          AND THEN COUPLED WITH THAT, IF IT WAS REALLY A PILOT PROGRAM, WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO DO IT GEOGRAPHICALLY? UH, YOU KNOW, PICKED INSTEAD OF ALL CITY? SO YOU'RE BEING CONSCIOUS OF THE RESOURCES THAT YOU'RE USING, DRIVING AROUND TOWN OR NOT DRIVING AROUND TOWN AND MAKING IT LOGISTICALLY EASIER TO HIT WEST SEDONA OR UPTOWN OR, I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THE AREA NEEDS TO BE, BUT A WIDE OPEN 200 PEOPLE PROGRAM. 
          UH, IT JUST SOUNDS, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD FAIRLY SELECT AND ECONOMICALLY SELECT THE PEOPLE THAT YOU WANT TO DO. 
          I CAN CERTAINLY GATHER SOME MORE INFORMATION, UH, ON THAT ASPECT. 
          UH, THE VENDOR THAT WE'VE, UH, WE'VE WORKED WITH HAS COVERED LARGER AREAS AND THE LIKE, AND THEY'VE, UM, COVERED LOGISTICALLY ON HOW TO, TO PROPERLY SORT THAT SO I CAN GRAB, GET THAT MORE INFORMATION AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. 
          I DON'T HAVE THAT AT THE, AT THE TOP OF MY HAND RIGHT AT THE MOMENT THOUGH. 
          I, I WOULD THINK AT THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, BRYCE THOUGH, YOU WOULD WANT TO GEOGRAPHICALLY, UH, UH, RESTRICT IT SO THEY'RE NOT DRIVING AS MUCH AROUND TOWN, RIGHT? FOR, FOR A SINGLE BOX TRUCK, I'M NOT REALLY WORRIED. 
          UH, ALL THAT WORRIED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON, ON ONE BOX TRUCK MOVING AROUND FROM A ASPECT OF BEING ABLE TO CONCENTRATE IT BY ALL MEANS THAT THAT IS HELPFUL. 
          UH, BUT WITH THE, THE SIZE AND SCALE OF OUR CITY, IT, IT'S NOT A A, A HUGE CONCERN ON MY END ON THE, THE, THAT ONE TRUCK MOVING AROUND VERSUS 400 CONVERSING FROM 
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ALL OVER THE CITY TO GET TO ONE, ONE SINGLE SPOT. 
          OKAY. 
          I IS THAT IT? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU BRYCE. 
          CHUCK . 
          CHUCK, I THINK THIS ONE REALLY IS YOU  I THINK I'M GONNA START IT. 
          I'M GONNA TEE HIM UP. 
          SO I WROTE SOMETHING OUT FOR THIS. 
          I HOPE IT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, THAT I READ IT. 
          UM, CHUCK HAS SOME OF THE, THE DETAILS AND I THOUGHT MAYBE I COULD PAINT A HIGH LEVEL PICTURE OF THINGS. 
          UM, SO IN IT, WE HAVE THREE TECHNICAL SPECIALISTS ON STAFF. 
          ONE IT SUPPORT STAFF, ONE DIRECT AND ONE DIRECTOR. 
          CHUCK. 
          THE SUPPORT STAFF, UM, IS PLENTY BUSY HELPING EVERYONE WITH THEIR DAY-TO-DAY IT NEEDS. 
          AND THE THREE TECHNICAL SPECIALISTS SPEND TIME IN LONGER TERM PROJECTS, WHETHER THAT'S MANAGING OUR SERVERS AND IT INVENTORY OR MANAGING LARGE NETWORK SECURITY PROJECTS. 
          MEANWHILE, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT KEEPS THE IT DEPARTMENT BUSY WITH ITS SPECIFIC SYSTEM SOFTWARE AND COMPUTERS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE THEIR DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS RUN SMOOTHLY WITH THE HIRING OF THE ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS LAST YEAR, WE REACHED THE THRESHOLD OF WHAT IT CAN HANDLE WITH THE EXISTING TEAM. 
          MORE IMPORTANTLY, ONE OF OUR TECHNICAL EXPERTS HAS BECOME THE GO-TO PERSON FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          WHEN WE HAVE IT NEEDS TAKING THAT PERSON AWAY FROM THEIR LARGER PROJECTS AND PLACING THEM IN MORE OF A SUPPORT STAFF ROLE. 
          IT'S WHY IT NECESSITATES THE ASK FOR A NEW IT SUPPORT SERVICES POSITION SO THAT IT FREES UP THE TECH TECHNICAL EXPERTS ON THE TEAM TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY DO BEST. 
          WE WERE ASKED WHEN THINKING ABOUT NEW POSITIONS TO THINK ABOUT THE CRITICAL NEED AND ONLY CONSIDER IT IF IT WAS TO MAINTAIN CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS WITH THE HIRING OF ADDITIONAL OFFICERS THIS YEAR, LOAD ON THE LOAD ON IT AS AN INTERNAL SERVICE DEPARTMENT IS MAXED AND WE ARE NOT USING THE RESOURCES WELL THAT WE HAVE. 
          BY ADDING AN ADDITIONAL SUPPORT STAFF MEMBER, IT WILL ALLOW THE IT DEPARTMENT TO USE THE TECHNICAL EXPERTS WHERE THEY'RE NEEDED THE MOST SUPPORT, THE CRITICAL NEED OF KEEPING THE PD SYSTEM RUNNING SMOOTHLY AND MAINTAIN THE INTERNAL SERVICE LEVELS THAT THEY NEED. 
          THIS IS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SLIDE THAN, UM, STERLING. 
          DO YOU KNOW IF WE HAVE THE OTHER ONES WITH THE STATS? WE DO. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UM, I REALLY WANNA TALK ABOUT, UH, THE STATS, YOU KNOW, SHOWING THE INCREASE IN, UH, STAFFING, INCREASE IN PD, UM, AND, UH, WHICH ONE'S THAT? UH, THAT'S, THAT ONE'S THE STAFFING RATIOS. 
          TO ME THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE MORE IMPORTANT ONE. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE, STAFFING RANGES RANGE FROM, UH, ONE IN 18 FOR ORGAN ORGANIZATIONS LOWER THAN THE 500 EMPLOYEES. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE US, UH, THAT'S ONE IT PERSON FOR EVERY 18 EMPLOYEES, UM, TO AS LOW AS ONE IN 40, 40 MUCH LARGER, LARGER ORGANIZATIONS. 
          UM, AND YOU, THESE ARE REFERENCES, UH, THAT ALL AGREE WITH THE EXACT SAME NUMBERS. 
          UH, THE NATIONAL AVERAGE FOR ALL ORGANIZATIONS, REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE IS 1.27. 
          SO WHETHER IT'S A SMALL OR LARGE, UH, ONE IT PERSON FOR EVERY 27, UH, DUE TO RI RISE IN AUTOMATION, IN IN TECHNOLOGY, UM, THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS ACTUALLY TENDING LOWER. 
          UM, YES, A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS ARE USING IT TO BECOME MORE EFFICIENT, UH, DO MORE WITH LESS EMPLOYEES, BUT SOMEONE HAS TO SUPPORT THAT STUFF MORE. 
          THAT STUFF THAT EXISTS. 
          UH, WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS, THE, UH, BEST STANDARDS SUGGEST ONE IN 20, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S QUITE A BIT MORE IN PD, UH, PDS REALLY BEEN LEVERAGING. 
          AND OUR D UH, OUR PDS ALSO BEEN LEVERAGING TECHNOLOGY QUITE A BIT. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN, UH, VENDING A LOT OF ITEMS FOR THEM. 
          UM, WITHIN CITY OF SEDONA, UH, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 200 EMPLOYEES, FIVE IT STAFF THAT PUTS OUR RATIO AT ONE IN 40, UH, WHICH IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN, UH, THE RATIOS OF, UM, UM, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. 
          UH, THE NEXT, UH, SLIDE HAS A CHART THAT SHOWS, UM, HOW CITY EMPLOYEES HAVE INCREASED VERSUS IT STAFF. 
          AND THE NEXT ONE, WHICH I THINK IS FAR MORE USEFUL, UM, SHOWS THE RATIOS. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE SUGGESTED BEST PRACTICES, THAT'S ONE IN 20 AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE BOTTOM OF THE CHART. 
          UM, IT DOESN'T SHOW A ZERO STARTS AT 20, UH, THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. 
          UM, THIS ONE SHOWS 1.25. 
          UH, YOU CAN, IF YOU WANT TO SAY 1.27 'CAUSE IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THERE, UH, JUST MOVE IT UP TWO BOXES. 
          UH, THE GREEN LINES IS, UH, CITY OF 
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SEDONA. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, BACK IN 2016, ALL THESE NUMBERS ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN THE NA NATIONAL AVERAGES, UH, SUGGESTED, UM, LEVELS. 
          UH, AND IF YOU LOOK AT 2016, IT'S UH, ONE IN 37, UH, IT GOES UP TO IN 20 18, 1 IN 39, UH, PAM BECOMES, UH, UH, PART-TIME, A FULL-TIME AND DROPS TO ONE IN 36. 
          THEN IT CLIMBS UP TO AN ALL-TIME HIGH OF ONE IN 41. 
          UH, THAT'S WHEN WE HIRED ADRIANA AND THEY DROPPED DOWN TO ONE IN 35. 
          AND EVEN THESE DROP DOWN NUMBERS ARE STILL HIGHER THAN, UM, UH, THE, THE, ALL THE OTHER RATIOS. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE BEEN CLIMBING BACK UP IN, IN, UH, FISCAL YEAR 20, UH, 26. 
          THAT'S THIS YEAR. 
          UH, WE'RE AT ONE IN 40, UH, SECOND HIGHEST, UH, WE'VE EVER HAD. 
          UH, THIS SHOWS 2027. 
          IF WE HIRE ONE MORE POSITION, UM, IT WILL DROP DOWN TO, UH, ONE IN 34, WHICH IS, UH, AN IMPROVEMENT, BUT STILL NOT AS LOW AS SUGGESTED STANDARDS AND SUCH. 
          AND, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE THIS INFORMATION ISN'T REALLY IN THE DP. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAD IT. 
          THANK YOU, CHUCK. 
          PETE? YEP. 
          CHUCK, THANKS FOR SOME OF THESE NUMBERS. 
          YOU, THIS THING IS TITLED TRYING TO FIND IT ON MY LIST, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS TITLED FOR PD. 
          UH, THIS PERSON WILL WORK, UM, THEY WILL FOCUS ON PD, UM, AND THAT'S GONNA HELP ALLEVIATE IT QUITE A BIT. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT, UM, GOT MY TOP ENGINEER, UH, DOING A LOT OF WORK FOR PD. 
          UM, HE WORKED THROUGH THE WEEKEND AS WELL. 
          THAT HAPPENS OFTEN. 
          UM, AND THIS PERSON, UH, WILL BE ABLE TO HANDLE A LOT OF THOSE JOBS. 
          THE, UH, THE ENGINEERING WILL STILL BE OUR NETWORK ENGINEERS. 
          THEY'LL STILL PROJECT MANAGE, BUT THIS PERSON WILL BE ABLE HELP OUT QUITE A BIT AT A MUCH LOWER SALARY THAN, UM, A NETWORK ENGINEER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT WOULD THE NU WHAT WOULD THE NUMBER BE? SO IF YOU SAID THIS IS THE IT PERSON, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN PD. 
          THE RATIO OF, UH, ONE TO HOWEVER MANY PEOPLE IS, IS GONNA BE A BIG NUMBER, RIGHT? SO THIS ISN'T FULL SUPPORT. 
          I MEAN, IF WE'RE AT FULL CAPACITY, WE WOULD BE 50. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS IS ONE TO 50, 1 50. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE DOING ADDITIONAL SUPPORT WITH YOUR OTHER FOLKS, YES, BUT TAKE 50 PEOPLE OUT. 
          DO THE MATH FOR ME 'CAUSE IT'S TOO LATE FOR ME. 
          NOW, , IF YOU PULLED 50 PEOPLE OUTTA HERE, 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOW GONNA BE SERVICED BY A NEW PERSON, WHAT'S THE RATIOS? UH, FOR 2026, WE GOT APPROXIMATELY 200 PEOPLE. 
          SO IT'D ONE 50, THAT'D BE FIVE. 
          SO IT'D BE LIKE ONE IN 30 LOW THIRTIES. 
          I'M STILL TRYING TO CALCULATE THE NUMBER IN IN MY HEAD, BUT, BUT IT'S THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. 
          YEAH, IT GOES DOWN ABOUT THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. 
          TELL ABOUT THE, BECAUSE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS 25. 
          YEP. 
          YEP. 
          AND IF I RECOGNIZE THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE PD AND YOU'RE DOING OTHER SERVICES WITH THE REST OF THE STAFF, BUT IF THERE WERE A SLOW DAY, THE REQUEST LIST GOT LOW AND AN IMMEDIATE, YOU KNOW, A HIGH PRIORITY THING CAME INTO YOUR STAFF, DO YOU USE THEM OR IS THIS A UNION SHOP AND YOU CAN'T TOUCH 'EM BECAUSE THIS IS THE PD IT PERSON? UH, I'VE, I'VE PROBABLY GOT ABOUT FOUR YEARS WORTH OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          , UH, THERE'S GONNA BE NO PROBLEM USING THEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHUCK? THANK YOU, CHUCK. 
          UH, DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING CHIEF? UH, AARON JUST DID THE MATH, SO IF YOU TOOK OUT THE 50, IT'D BE ONE IN 29. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. 
          THINK THANKS, CHUCK. 
          COOL. 
          THANKS BRYCE. 
          BACK TO YOU. 
          CARRIES ON DECK. 
          STEVE'S ON DECK. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT. 
          HELLO AGAIN. 
          UH, SO FOR THE, UH, SUSTAINABILITY PLATFORM, THE NOTION BEHIND THE, THE, THE PLATFORM ASPECTS, WE HAVE TWO, TWO PLANS. 
          MUNICIPAL SUSTAINABILITY PLAN AND CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          THERE'S OVER A HUNDRED ACTION ITEMS BETWEEN BOTH OF THOSE PLANS. 
          UH, THEY'RE ALL TRACKED RIGHT NOW THROUGH COMBINATION OF VARIOUS SPREADSHEETS AND, UH, WORD DOCUMENTS AND THE LIKE. 
          UH, IT CAN BE RATHER HARD TO GATHER THAT INFORMATION, SHARE IT MORE EFFECTIVELY WITH COUNCIL AND CITY, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND SO ON. 
          SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO, UH, THROUGH A SUSTAINABILITY PLATFORM IS BE ABLE TO GET ALL OF THOSE INTO AN ONLINE PLATFORM, UH, THAT IS MORE EASILY, UH, TRACKABLE, UH, REPORTABLE, UH, CAN ASSIGN, UH, RESPECTIVE, UH, PROJECT MANAGERS TO EACH ONE OF 'EM. 
          AND ALSO WOULD LOOK TO INCLUDE, UH, WHAT IS KNOWN. 
          I THINK, UH, AS LAUREN MENTIONED AS AN IFRAME, UH, TO BE ABLE TO INTEGRATE INTO CITY WEBSITES AND SO ON. 
          UH, SO THAT WE'D HAVE, UH, A LITTLE BIT, UH, BETTER 
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ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THESE TOPICS, TRACK 'EM EFFECTIVELY, UH, ACROSS BOTH THE PLANS SINCE THERE ARE A, UH, LARGE NUMBER OF ACTION ITEMS THAT OUR DEPARTMENT LOOKS AT. 
          BUT, UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, LIKE ACROSS THE CITY FROM WASTEWATER, PUBLIC WORKS AND POLICE DEPARTMENT, SO ON, THERE'S SUSTAINABILITY ITEMS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON AS WELL. 
          SO TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THAT MORE EFFECTIVELY, UH, WE THOUGHT A SUSTAINABILITY PLATFORM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WAS A GOOD, UH, DECISION PACKAGE TO BRING FORWARD. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRUCE? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          I AM SUBBING FOR TONY TODAY, SO, UM, WHICH I'M VERY HAPPY TO DO. 
          UM, THIS DECISION PACKAGE, UH, IS IN RESPONSE TO A NEW STATE STATUTE THAT REQUIRES ALL CITIES IN ARIZONA TO HAVE PRE-APPROVED PLANS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, ADU, DUPLEXES, AND TRIPLEXES. 
          A SPECIFIC, UM, THE PACKAGE HERE IS ASKING FOR MONIES, UH, ACTUALLY TO CREATE A, UM, A, UH, UM, , SORRY, UH, I WANTED TO SAY PROGRAM, BUT THAT'S COMING UP. 
          UM, IT'S GONNA DO, UM, A, A, A CHALLENGE BASICALLY FOR ARCHITECTS, UH, TO CREATE, UH, HOMES THAT ARE UNIQUE, UH, AND NOT JUST BOX STYLE. 
          UM, IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA MATCH THE CHARACTER OF SEDONA. 
          UM, THE LEAGUE OF CITIES, UH, TRY TO HELP OUT, UH, THE CITIES OF ARIZONA BY SENDING AN RFP OUT, UH, FOR ARCHITECTS TO HAVE DESIGNS THAT, THAT CITIES COULD USE. 
          AND AS WE FOUND OUT, IT WAS A VERY LACKLUSTER, UH, RESPONSE. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH, UH, ALL THE CITIES IN THE VERDE VALLEY FOR MANY MONTHS NOW TO DISCUSS THIS. 
          UM, THE STATUTE GAVE US TWO OPTIONS. 
          ONE OPTION WAS TO BUY, UH, UH, THESE PLANS FROM, UH, WHOMEVER. 
          UH, IT COULD BE A DESIGNER, IT COULD BE AN ARCHITECT THAT COULD BE SOMEBODY WORKING OUT OF THEIR HOME THAT LIKES TO DRAW. 
          UM, THERE ANY, WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO ACCEPT EVERYBODY. 
          THE, THE OTHER PART OF THIS PROGRAM, UH, IS TO CREATE A LIBRARY, UM, A LIBRARY THAT ANYBODY COULD, UH, PUT THEIR PLANS INTO. 
          UH, OF COURSE, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY US TO DO THE PLAN REVIEWS SO THAT WHATEVER PLANS ARE IN THAT LIBRARY DO MEET OUR CODES. 
          UM, ALL OF THE CITIES IN THE VERITY VALLEY, UH, AGREED WITH US THAT THE LIBRARY WAS, UH, THE ROUTE TO GO. 
          UM, ONE OF THE REASONS IS BECAUSE WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME, UM, AND AS LONG AS WE CREATE THAT LIBRARY, WE HAVE MET THE DEADLINE, UH, THAT THE STATE HAS IMPOSED, WHICH IS JULY 1ST FOR ONE OF THOSE TWO. 
          UM, WHAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, IS, UH, WE WANNA CREATE, UM, THIS, UH, UH, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHY I CAN'T THINK OF THE WORD HERE. 
          COMPETITION DESIGN, COMPETITION CONTEST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I LIKE COMPETITION. 
          YES. 
          I, UM, I'M GETTING OLD. 
          I THINK . 
          UM, SO WE WANNA CREATE THIS COMPETITION, UM, TO, TO KIND OF BRING THIS WHOLE IDEA OF THESE PRE-APPROVED PLANS, UH, IN, IN A, IN A LARGER LIGHT. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, TO SHOW THAT WE CAN HAVE DESIGNS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH ARE NOT JUST BOX SHOEBOX TYPE DESIGNS. 
          UM, SO, UH, THESE, UH, THIS COMPETITION WILL BE OPEN TO ARCHITECTS AND ARCHITECTS THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES OR THE WORLD FOR THAT MATTER. 
          WE'RE NOT LIMITING IT TO PEOPLE IN THE AREA. 
          WE'RE NOT LIMITING IT TO JUST, UH, ARIZONA ARCHITECTS. 
          UH, BUT WE WANNA SEE DESIGNS, UM, THAT ARE VERY CREATIVE. 
          AND SO, UM, WHAT THIS PACKAGE IS ASKING FOR IS MONIES, UH, TO PUT FORTH TO THOSE ARCHITECTS WHO HAVE WON THEIR SEGMENT, UH, OF THIS, UH, PROGRAM. 
          AND, UH, UH, IT WOULD HELP THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE PUTTING MONIES OUT TO CREATE THESE DESIGNS. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THIS PACKAGE IS FOR. 
          SIMILAR TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE PROCURE PUBLIC ART, RIGHT? WE PUT ON DESIGN COMPETITIONS AND AWARD THE YEAH, SAME CONCEPT. 
          STEVE, YOU STARTED YOUR PRESENTATION BY USING THE WORD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, ADUS, DUPLEXES, AND TRIPLEXES, BUT THIS READS JUST DUPLEX TRIPLEX. 
          YES. 
          THANK 
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YOU. 
          UH, THANK YOU, COUNSELOR. 
          UM, THE STATUTE, UH, ACTUALLY HAS, IT'S A PHASED REQUIREMENT. 
          SO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND ADUS, UH, ARE REQUIRED, UH, TO BE EITHER, YOU'RE EITHER REQUIRED TO HAVE THOSE PLANS IN PLACE BY JUNE 30TH OF THIS YEAR, OR HAVE THAT LIBRARY FOR THOSE PLANS TO BE PLACED WITHIN. 
          UM, THE DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES ARE THE SECOND PHASE OF THAT STATUTE, AND YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THOSE PLANS, UH, BY JANUARY 1ST, 2027. 
          SO AGAIN, BY CHOOSING OPTION B OF HAVING A LIBRARY, IT GIVES US MORE TIME, UM, UH, FOR BOTH. 
          I, I THINK I'M NOT QUITE CLEAR ON THAT ANSWER. 
          I CAN, I CAN CLARIFY. 
          DIDN'T WE ALREADY GIVE SOME DIRECTION TO DO A DU PLANS? HAS THIS COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY GIVEN SOME DIRECTION FOR A DU PLANS, KURT TURNKEY ORDINANCE, EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE SPECIFIED AND, AND HOW ARE WE DOING ON THAT? SO THE A DU, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, I'M SORRY, UM, WAS TO, UM, IDENTIFY, UH, THOSE COMPANIES THAT, UH, HAS, UH, UH, FACTORY BUILT HOMES THAT ARE APPROVED THROUGH, UH, THE A DOH. 
          UH, SO WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE AVAILABLE. 
          UM, I AM SHRINKING HERE BECAUSE, UM, I'M NOT REMEMBERING WHAT, UH, UH, UH, WHAT THE COUNCIL, THE, THE FULL DIRECTION OF WHAT THE COUNCIL WAS ON ADUS AND, AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          I DON'T RECALL, UH, COUNCIL EVER DIRECTING STAFF TO DEVELOP A DU PLANS. 
          UM, AND THIS IS MORE THAN JUST A DU 'CAUSE IT ALSO HAS TO BE, UH, THREE DIFFERENT SIZES. 
          BUT MAYBE I'M NOT REMEMBERING EITHER. 
          I, I RECALL VERY CLEARLY WE GAVE DIRECTION FOR A TURNKEY A DU PROGRAM TO BE PUT TOGETHER. 
          I DON'T RECALL THIS DIRECTION. 
          MAYOR, DO YOU RECALL, MAYOR? YES, I DO. 
          YOU DO, MELISSA, DO YOU RECALL? WELL, I THOUGHT WE HAD A WHOLE CONVERSATION AROUND ADUS WHEN THAT TOPIC CAME UP AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HAVING PROBLEMS AND I THOUGHT WE'D GIVEN DIRECTION, IF NOT TURNKEY, AT AT LEAST PLANS THAT WERE ALREADY PRE-APPROVED SO THAT IT WOULD BE FASTER FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO, TO CONSTRUCT THEM, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT THIS PROGRAM IS AS WELL. 
          AND I, LIKE YOU, WAS TRIPPED UP BY THE FACT THIS IS DUPLEX TRIPLEX, WHICH ISN'T DUE UNTIL 2027, AND WE NEED TO HAVE ADUS AND SINGLE FAMILY LIBRARY AT LEAST IN PLACE MM-HMM . 
          BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          BUT YOU'RE ASKING FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR, RIGHT? SO DO YOU ALREADY HAVE THE LIBRARY? WHAT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR, IF IT'S NOT FOR SETTING UP THE LIBRARY? THAT'S WHAT I'M CONFUSED ON. 
          SO SETTING UP THE LIBRARY IS, IS SOMETHING THAT TONY IS DOING RIGHT NOW THAT'S GONNA BE A PART OF OUR WEBSITE. 
          UM, AND THAT PEOPLE COULD DROP IN THEIR PLANS, UH, ONCE THEY GET APPROVED. 
          UM, AND, AND, AND THEN THE PUBLIC, OF COURSE CAN CHOOSE THOSE, UH, ONCE THEY GET APPROVED FOR CODE COMPLIANCE. 
          SO THE LIBRARY WILL BE UP AND RUNNING, UH, PRIOR TO JUNE 30TH, AND THAT LIBRARY WOULD BE OPEN FOR THE A DU PLANS AND FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY PLANS. 
          BUT THIS COMPETITION ISN'T FOR THE A DU OR THE SINGLE FAMILY PLANS THEN RIGHT THERE, THERE IS A SEPARATE, YOU'RE JUST ASSUMING SOMEONE WILL PUT SOME PLANS IN THERE BECAUSE IS THERE ANY PLAN TO GET PLANNED? SO, SO THE COMPETITION IS TO CREATE, UH, BUZZ NUMBER ONE. 
          IT'S ALSO TO CREATE, UM, MORE, UH, ADVANCED DESIGNS, HOPEFULLY. 
          AND THERE WILL BE A SEPARATE COMPETITION FOR ADUS AND SINGLE FAMILY. 
          BUT RIGHT. 
          ONCE WE GET THAT LIBRARY OPENED UP, ANYBODY COULD SUBMIT THAT VERY NEXT DAY FOR THOSE LIBRARIES. 
          SO MEETING THE STATE, WE HAD TWO OPTIONS TO MEET THE STATE STATUTE. 
          ONE IS TO HAVE THESE PLANS BOUGHT, UH, FROM, UH, THESE ARE, UH, DESIGNERS. 
          ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO DRAW A PLAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO BUY THOSE PLANS. 
          UM, USING THE, THE LIBRARY, THEY, ONCE THEY PASS THE CODE REVIEW, UH, THOSE PLANS WOULD BE IN THE LIBRARY FOR ANYBODY TO USE. 
          AND THEN THEY WOULD WORK WITH THAT DESIGNER OR ARCHITECT, UH, UH, TO PAY THEM FOR THE USE OF THEIR PLANS. 
          UM, BUT THE, THE, WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING NOW IS MONIES FOR THIS 
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COMPETITION FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE DECISION PACKAGE IS PRETTY SPECIFIC AS COUNSEL HAS, UM, BEEN ASKING ABOUT THAT. 
          THIS, UM, $100,000 IS TO DO THE DESIGN COMPETITION FOR PRE-APPROVED PLANS SETS FOR THREE SIZES OF DUPLEXES AND THREE SIZES OF TRIPLEXES EACH HAVING OPTIONS WITH THREE DISTINCT ELEVATIONS. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THIS PART IS, FOUR. 
          AND I THINK WHEN TONY'S BACK NEXT WEEK, WE CAN CLARIFY ON THE A DU PIECE, UNLESS CARRIE KNOWS WE MIGHT BE DOING THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          WE WERE ORIGINALLY WORKING WITH YAVAPAI COUNTY WAS GONNA SPEARHEAD ALL OF THIS FOR THE VERDE VALLEY AREA, AND THEN IT TURNED OUT THAT THEY WEREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THAT PROCESS OR EVEN START IT UNTIL JULY ONE. 
          AND SO DEJA VU, WE STEPPED UP, ARE YOU BROADBAND ANYWHERE? SO WE STEPPED UP AND SAID, HEY, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA DO IT ANYWAY. 
          AND SO NOW WE'RE SORT OF LEADING THE CHARGE FOR THE VERDE VALLEY, AND THE OTHER CITIES ARE SUPER EXCITED TO WORK WITH US AND THANKFUL WE'RE DOING IT, AND WE HAVE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE FOR HOW THEY CAN PARTICIPATE IN IT. 
          I BELIEVE LEGAL'S BEEN WORKING ON MONIQUE. 
          YES. 
          WE, UH, WE HAVE AN MOU THAT MONIQUE, UH, DRAFTED, UH, FOR THE, UH, OTHER CITIES THAT WANNA WORK WITH US. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE CAN STICKING WITH, WITH DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES FOR THESE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. 
          WELL, MY QUESTION IS MORE BASIC THAN THAT EVEN. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU DON'T, IF THIS $100,000 IS NOT APPROVED, HOW WOULD YOU MEET THIS, UM, UNFUNDED MANDATE THRUST UPON US BY THE STATE? WELL, THEY CREATED THE LIBRARY. 
          SO BY, BY HAVING THE LIBRARY, YOU WOULD BE, WE'VE ALREADY TO MEET IT WITHOUT THIS MONEY, RIGHT? WE'VE ALREADY MET CORRECT. 
          THE MONEY HIM ANSWER ME THE MONEY IS FOR THE COMPETITION ITSELF. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH IS TRYING TO GARNER SOME. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          THERE ARE A COUPLE ADDITIONAL BACKUPS TOO. 
          YOU COULD JUST, LIKE YAVAPAI COUNTY HAS SOME PLANS ALREADY, UM, THAT YOU COULD ADOPT. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT CLARKDALE DID. 
          THEY JUST COPIED THOSE PLANS AND SAID, HERE THEY ARE. 
          UH, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANNA DO. 
          WE WANNA DO A BETTER PRODUCT. 
          BUT THAT'S WOULD BE A FALLBACK. 
          ANOTHER ONE IS THE LEAGUE HAS ALSO HIRED, UM, IS GOING THROUGH SOME RFI PROCESS FOR THOSE PLANS AS WELL THAT ANY CITY COULD USE. 
          SO, BUT THEY WON'T, THEY WON'T BE BE SEDONA SPECIFIC. 
          VERY, NO, NO, BUT THEY WOULD BE, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, WE'D BE ABLE TO MEET THE, THE DEADLINE FOR JUNE 30TH. 
          I, I THINK THE, MY CONCERN ANYWAY IS THAT YOU RUSH TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE AND SOMEBODY SAYS, OH, IT'S APPROVED. 
          I'M A BILL TO THAT. 
          AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T MEET, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE LOOK AND FEEL OF SEDONA AND IT'S JUST COMPLETELY OUT OF PLACE. 
          BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, CHECKED THE BOX FOR COMPLIANCE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT AT ALL. 
          YEAH. 
          CARRIE, CAN YOU PROVIDE SOME OF THE SPECIFICS ON WHAT THAT WAS LOOKING LIKE? 'CAUSE I REMEMBER TONY KIND OF ANSWERED SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS FOR ME AS WELL. 
          UM, SO I HAVE REVIEWED THE YAVAPAI COUNTY HOME, MY OWN PROGRAM. 
          UM, AND GENERALLY THEY DO NOT MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, THERE'D BE SOME TWEAKS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED. 
          WE HAVE A NUMBER OF APPLICANTS WHO OFTEN SUBMIT VERY SIMILAR PLANS OVER AND OVER. 
          SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF BUILDERS IN THE AREA WHO PROBABLY HAVE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY US MULTIPLE TIMES THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SUBMIT TO THE LIBRARY. 
          UM, AND I'M SORRY IF YOU GAVE US DIRECTION TO DO AN A DU APPROVE, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT, BUT I APOLOGIZE IF WE MISSED SOMETHING THERE. 
          UM, BUT ULTIMATELY, UM, THESE, YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE, THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING, THEY GENERALLY DON'T DO WORK FOR FREE EITHER. 
          AND SO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, HIRING SOMEONE TO DO SOME OF THESE PLANS, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY AND THE BUDGET TO DO IT THIS YEAR, WHICH IS WHY WE DECIDED TO GO THE DIRECTION OF THE LIBRARY BECAUSE THAT'S JUST OPENING IT UP FOR PEOPLE. 
          AND AGAIN, THERE'S A NUMBER OF, UM, BUILDERS IN TOWN WHO GET SIMILAR PLANS APPROVED MULTIPLE TIMES. 
          SO THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE SOME, UM, CONTRACTORS IN TOWN WHO WOULD HAVE THINGS, THEY WOULD BE READY TO SUBMIT THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD PAY FOR A PLAN REVIEW AND THEN THEY GO IN OUR LIBRARY, AND THEN A RESIDENT WHO WANTS TO BUILD ONE OF THOSE PLANS WOULD GO THROUGH THAT AND THEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTACT THE, THE ARCHITECT OR WHOEVER DEVELOPED THOSE PLANS AND WORK WITH THEM TO BUY THE PLANS FROM THEM. 
          AND THEN IT'D BE AN EXPEDITED PERMITTING PROCESS. 
          AND CARRIE WASN'T, WASN'T THE THOUGHT WAS THAT THE LIBRARY WOULD HAVE, UM, SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF CITY. 
          UH, THAT'S THE POINT OF THE COMPETITION IS THAT YOU CAN SAY THESE WERE THE 
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DESIGNS THAT WON THE COMPETITION. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, THESE, THESE ARE THE DESIGNS THAT WE LIKE THE BEST. 
          UM, AND WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PREVENT ANYBODY FROM THAT'S RIGHT. 
          PUTTING PLANS IN THE LIBRARY, BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, HERE'S ONES THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WON THIS CONTEST. 
          HERE'S ONES. 
          AND UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH TONY WORKING WITH SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, CITIES IN THE VERDE VALLEY, UM, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE TOOK THE LEAD ON SOME OF THIS IS BECAUSE OUR DESIGN STANDARDS ARE HIGHER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES. 
          AND SO IT WAS THOUGHT THAT IF WE TAKE THE LEAD AND WE FIND SOMETHING THAT COMPLIES WITH SEDONA STANDARDS, THEN IT WOULD LIKELY COMPLY WITH STANDARDS FOR ALL THE OTHER CITIES AS WELL. 
          CHARLOTTE. 
          SO JUST TO CLARIFY, I THINK YOU ANSWERED PART OF MY QUESTION, BUT THE ONES THAT MIGHT BE PLACED IN THE LIBRARY THAT ARE THE PRE-DONE ONES, UM, THOSE THE CUSTOMER WOULD ACTUALLY PAY FOR? YEAH, THEY WOULD PAY FOR THE PLAN REVIEW FEE, RIGHT? I'M SORRY? THE ONES THAT WERE PLAN REVIEW CUSTOMER AND THAT ARE IN THE LIBRARY CUSTOMER, SORRY, YES. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE, THE CLIENT WHO WANTS TO BUILD A HOUSE, YES, THEY WOULD CONTACT THE PERSON WHO DREW THE PLANS AND COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM ABOUT PURCHASING THE PLANS. 
          BUT THEN SINCE WE'VE ALREADY REVIEWED THEM, IT'D BE AN EXPEDITED PERMITTING PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE ONES WHO, UM, WIN THE DESIGN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD HAVE ONES WHO DIDN'T WIN THE DESIGN, BUT WHO STILL MET THE CRITERIA AND YOUR LIFE. 
          WOULD WE BE BECAUSE OF THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND? WOULD WE OWN THOSE PLANS THEN? AND THEN SO IF YOU USED THOSE PLANS, THERE WOULDN'T BE A COST TO THE CLIENT OR NOT? THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CHECK WITH TONY ON. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT IS THAT ALL OF THEM WILL, WILL BE LISTED AND THEN WE'LL HAVE STARS OR SOMETHING THAT SAY, THESE ARE THE CITY, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WON THE COMPETITION. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE OTHER ONES AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THEM AND SURE YOU CAN, RIGHT. 
          BUT DO WE OWN THOSE? NO, I THOUGHT THAT THE, THE CONCEPT WAS FOR ALL OF THEM, WE WERE BASICALLY CONNECTING THE USER TO THE DESIGNER OR ARCHITECT SO THAT YOU COULD PURCHASE THOSE PLANS. 
          AND THE BENEFIT THAT THE USER GETS IS THAT THEY HAVE AN EXPEDITED PROCESS THAT THEY KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS LIKE NORMAL. 
          SO, BUT I, I WANNA JUST BE CLEAR, ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY PLAN CAN PUT IT IN THE LIBRARY AND WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO IT. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? UM, IT MEETS OUR CODES. 
          SO AS, I MEAN, CARRIE CAN ATTEST SHE DOESN'T GET TO TURN DOWN A HOUSE 'CAUSE IT'S UGLY, RIGHT? LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE GET TO DECIDE OR NOT. 
          AND THAT, AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE COMPETITION. 
          THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE COMPETITION. 
          ANYBODY WHO'S GOING TO BE IN THAT LIBRARY STILL WILL BE REVIEWED AS IT NORMALLY WOULD BE REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE LDC COMPLIANCE, WITH THE, THE BUILDING CODE. 
          SO ANY OF THE PLANS WITHIN THAT LIBRARY WILL BE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE, THE HOUSES THAT ARE OUT THERE ALREADY IN THE SENSE THAT THEY DO CONFORM WITH OUR CODES, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE, ONE OPPOSED TO MANY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT WOULD SUBMIT THE PLANS TO US, WE WOULD REVIEW THEM AND IF THEY PASS, THEN THEY GET PUT IN THE LIBRARY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          BUT THEN WE STILL, FOR THOSE ONES WITH THE LITTLE STAR ON 'EM, WE'VE DONE SOME PLAN REVIEW. 
          WE, WE SAID, YEP, IT EARNS THE STAR, WE PUT IT IN THE LIBRARY, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR A, A REVIEW WHEN THEY WANNA BUILD IT. 
          SO THE REVIEW IS PAID FOR BY, UM, THE ARCHITECT DESIGNER WHO WANTS TO HAVE THEIR PLANS PUT IN THAT LIBRARY. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE REVIEWED IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE, UH, COMPLIANT TO BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC. 
          AND WITHIN THE, UH, THE STATUTE, IT DOES, UH, STATE THAT, UH, THE CITIES, UM, CAN ASK FOR PLAN REVIEW FEES NO DIFFERENT THAN THE PLAN REVIEW FEES THAT WE ASK FOR NOW FOR ANY WOW. 
          ANY KIND OF PLANS BEING SUBMITTED. 
          IT, IT DIDN'T, I I MUST ADMIT, I FOR SOME REASON WALKED AWAY FROM THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION OF WE ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO REDUCE PERMITTING FEES AND PERMITTING TIME IN A PROGRAM LIKE THIS. 
          I THINK IT'S ARCHITECTURE FEES AND NOT NECESSARILY PERMITTING FEES. 
          YEAH, I SO IF YOU'RE, I MEAN, IF YOU GO TO THE, THE UM, TOP ARCHITECTS IN TOWN, YOU'RE GONNA PAY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR EXACTLY A HOUSE DESIGN. 
          AND THIS WOULD REDUCE THAT SUBSTANTIALLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I, I HAD A DIFFERENT CONCEPT OF HOW THIS WORKED, BUT THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND MONEY, WE NEED A POLICY DECISION ABOUT DO WE START AT ADUS OR DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES OR SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I FELT WE'VE 
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WELL I ACTUALLY FELT WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION. 
          'CAUSE I THOUGHT WE ALREADY SAID ADUS SHOULD BE MOVING, BUT APPARENTLY NOT. 
          AND SO I THINK THERE'S A POLICY ISSUE HERE THAT NEEDS TO BE SORTED OUT. 
          BUT, BUT STEVE, YOU ALSO SAID THAT TO BE COMPLIANT, YOU GO TO DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES AND ADUS AREN'T DUE YET. 
          RIGHT? THEY'RE DUE  ADUS ARE AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THE THE LIBRARY FOR THOSE HAVE HAS TO BE OPEN AND READY TO ACCEPT, UH, BY, BY JUNE 30TH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHY DID WE CHOOSE DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES? BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE NEED THE MONIES IN THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR TO PAY FOR, UM, UH, THAT COUNT. 
          THOSE THAT WIN THE COMPETITION. 
          BUT WE DON'T NEED MONEY FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND ADUS, THEY FOUND IT ALREADY. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S MONIES THAT WE HAVE FOUND WITHIN OUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          I MISSED THAT PART. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          AND, AND THAT'S BECAUSE I DIDN'T ACTUALLY SAY THAT PART. 
          OH, . 
          UM, I, I WAS JUST ADDRESSING THE DECISION PACKAGE AT HAND. 
          WE'VE GOT MONEY IN THE BUDGET, BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF WE HAD COUNCIL DIRECTION TO DO ADUS. 
          I MEAN, I'M REALLY, BECAUSE WE WERE, WE NEEDED TO MEET THE, THE LAW WE NEEDED TO INITIATE THE PROCESS. 
          WE MET THE LAW FOR ADUS AND DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES, BUT HAVE THE LIBRARY. 
          IS THAT NOT RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          SO WE, SO THE LAW ISN'T THE ISSUE ANYMORE. 
          IT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA SPEND MONEY ON PUTTING PLANS THAT WE WANNA PUT IN THE LIBRARY, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          AND WHAT I'M CURRENTLY HEARING IS THAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND SOME MONEY TO PUT PLANS IN THE LIBRARY THAT THEN POTENTIALLY AN ARCHITECT COULD SELL MANY TIMES. 
          AND THAT'S A BENEFIT. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE BENEFIT TO THE CITY IS ON THAT. 
          DO WE GO AHEAD. 
          SO TO CURE ANY, UH, AMNESIA THAT I MIGHT HAVE HAD OR ANYBODY ELSE, I MANAGED TO FIND THAT ON NOVEMBER 12TH, 2024, WE DISCUSSED THIS, THE MINUTES SAY BY MAJORITY CONSENSUS COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO BRING DEFINITIONS OF WHAT CAN BE USED AS ADUS BACK TO COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS EXACTLY. 
          I I ALSO FOUND MY NOTES FROM THAT MEETING AND WAS JUST READING THEM THAT AREN'T THE OFFICIAL MINUTES. 
          AND I DO HAVE NOTED IN HERE THAT DIFFERENT COUNSELORS ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT COULD WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, PRE-APPROVED A DU PLANS AS THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT THE FINAL, YOU KNOW, DIRECTION TO KURT IN MY NOTES WAS BRING BACK NEW DEFINITIONS FOR MODULAR HOMES TO MAKE A CLEAR DISTINCTION AND THEN THEY CAN BRING BACK THE CHANGES REQUESTED REGARDING SETBACKS IN A YEAR OR SO AND MAKE SURE WE GO TO PNZ. 
          SO IT WAS A DEFINITION AND SETBACK THING IN THE END, BUT WE'D HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE TAPE OR THE GO BACK AND WATCH MEETING AT THIS POINT. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY MATTERS. 
          I AGREE. 
          WE JUST BE CLEAR. 
          MAY MAYOR, MAYOR COUNCIL ONE, ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO EXPAND THE COMPETITION BACK TO, UH, JUST SINGLE FAMILY ADUS INSTEAD OF THE DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, AND THEN GET RID OF THE LIBRARY ALTOGETHER. 
          AND THEN IF THE CITY OWNED THE PLANS THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THEN THOSE WOULD BE THE ONLY PRE-APPROVED ONES, THEN ANYONE COULD USE 'EM WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY THE ARCHITECT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          I THINK THAT'S OUR INTENTION, MELISSA. 
          YEAH, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. 
          IS THAT FEASIBLE? BECAUSE BY JUNE 30TH THIS YEAR NO, IT WON'T BE BY, BUT SO THE PLAN'S OUT FOR THE, THE LIBRARY. 
          THE PLAN LIBRARY'S OUT FOR JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, WHENEVER WE'RE DONE WITH IT. 
          AND THEN WE CAN GET RID OF THE PLAN LIBRARY AND REPLACE IT WITH OUR OWN ADOPTED, UH, ONES THAT ARE APPROVED BY COUNCIL OR WHOEVER WANTS TO APPROVE THEM. 
          BUT I THOUGHT I HEARD STEVE SAY THAT THEY HAVE MONEY IN THEIR BUDGET TO BASICALLY RUN A SIMILAR COMPETITION FOR THE ADUS AND SINGLE FAMILIES. 
          WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE IS MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO DO THE TRIPLEX AND DUPLEX. 
          SO IS THAT, AM I CORRECT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE DECISION PACKAGE IS FOR? CORRECT. 
          ALTHOUGH I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE CURRENTLY RUNNING A COMPETITION BECAUSE IN JUNE 30TH IS, IS COMING QUICKLY. 
          IT'S UH, IN MY CONVERSATION WITH TONY A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CARRIE, BUT HE'S LOOKING TO LAUNCH THAT COMPETITION FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND ADUS IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS. 
          WELL, TONY WILL BE HERE NEXT WEEK. 
          YEAH, LET'S ASK HIM THEN. 
          I DON'T THINK WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS. 
          'CAUSE THIS WAS A NEW STATE LAW THAT WENT INTO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION. 
          BUT WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVEN'T SPENT IN OTHER AREAS THAT WE COULD PROBABLY USE TO DO SOMETHING THIS YEAR AND CREATE THE LIBRARY. 
          BUT THIS WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS 
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COMPETITION FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          SO LET'S WAIT TILL NEXT WEEK. 
          I'VE JUST BEEN CHECKING HERE. 
          WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL, I'D SAY WE HAVE AN HOUR AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO DO THAT . 
          WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD THESE TO THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING NEXT WEEK OR RESHUFFLE THE AGENDA FOR THE FIRST DAY. 
          YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE ROOM TO, TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. 
          I THINK WE GET GROUCHY AFTER A CERTAIN NUMBER OF HOURS. 
          , I I, I AGREE NOT TO BEAR TO THE STAFF , I KNOW I'M GETTING GROUCHY, BUT I, I AM CONCERNED THAT WE'RE GONNA START BEHIND AT A DEFICIT OF TIME. 
          THAT'S TOTALLY YOUR CALL. 
          WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANNA DO. 
          I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT TO GO THROUGH. 
          WORK THROUGH LUNCH NEXT WEEK WE CAN DO A WORKING LUNCH AND THAT WOULD ADD AN HOUR TO EACH DAY. 
          RIGHT NOW I HAVE THE LUNCHES AS JUST 60 MINUTES OPEN. 
          SO IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT, LIKE I'LL MAKE SURE WE HAVE GOOD FOOD, I PROMISE. 
          BUT IF WE WANNA WORK THROUGH LUNCH, I THINK THAT WOULD SOLVE IT. 
          NOW I WOULD SUGGEST PERHAPS THAT WE ASK THE JUDGE, WE JUST LISTEN TO THE JUDGE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK NEXT WEEK FOR YOUR ONE AND EVERYONE ELSE, YOU WERE ALL PLANNING TO . 
          WE COULDN'T KEEP THEM AWAY. 
          SO JUDGE, IF YOU WANNA COME UP AND DO THE COURT SPECIALIST AND THEN WE'LL ADJOURN. 
          DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A PLAN? OH, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION ELSE? GET OUTTA, HE WANTS TO GO  GROUCHY. 
          I'M NOT SURE OF BEING LAST IS LIKE BEING THE PERSON THAT SPEAKS RIGHT AT, RIGHT BEFORE LUNCH OR RIGHT AFTER LUNCH. 
          SO YOU, YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD US ADMIT THAT WE'RE GROUCHY. 
          SO  NOT YOU. 
          COME ON. 
          ANYWAYS, I'M, MY NAME IS RICHARD SPEAR. 
          I'M THE PRESIDING MAGISTRATE. 
          IT'S NICE TO SEE EVERYONE. 
          I WILL TRY TO MAKE THIS AS QUICK AS I CAN. 
          WE'RE ASKING FOR A ONE ADDITIONAL POSITION OF A COURT SPECIALIST. 
          WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR. 
          WHAT I'M GONNA GIVE YOU IS SOMEWHAT OF ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE OF WHY WE NEED THE OTHER ONE. 
          NOW, WITH THAT SAID AND DONE, THERE'S NO SPECIFIC MATRIX WHEN WE'VE CONTACTED EVERY OTHER, LIKE THE ARIZONA, THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE OF THE COURT FOR THE SUPREME COURT CONTACTED OTHER COURT ADMINISTRATORS. 
          THERE'S NOT ONE FORMULA YOU USE TO DETERMINE HOW MANY COURT SPECIALISTS YOU NEED. 
          EVERY COURT'S DIFFERENT. 
          AND AGAIN, NO ONE CAN SEEM TO DECIDE ON WHAT THEY NEED. 
          BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT BASED ON WHAT WE DID AND WHAT I, AT LEAST THE FIGURES WE PUT TOGETHER IS THAT AT, IF YOU WERE LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE ABOUT OUR SIZE AND LOOK FOR AN AVERAGE, OUR EMPLOYEES ARE PROBABLY DOING ABOUT 60% MORE CASES THAN THEY ARE. 
          WHEN YOU ADD TO THAT, UM, AGAIN, PART OF THE ANECDOTAL EFFORT IS TOO, IS WE'VE HAD A LARGE TURNOVER AND I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS, SO AGAIN, WHAT I'M, SOME OF THE INFORMATION I'M FINDING IS THAT, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT I THINK WE'VE GOT OUR SENIOR EMPLOYEE AS FAR AS THE COURT SPECIALIST, HAS ONLY BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. 
          UM, THE OTHER TWO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT NINE MONTHS. 
          ANOTHER ONE'S BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT THREE TO FOUR MONTHS. 
          SO THAT'S THE LEVEL WE HAVE NOW. 
          TO TRAIN A NEW COURT SPECIALIST TAKES MINIMUM SIX MONTHS. 
          SO EVERY TIME WE'VE HIRED SOMEBODY AND LOST SOMEBODY, DEPENDING ON WHAT, HOW LATE THEY, HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN THERE, YOU LOST ALL THAT TRAINING. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE COURT, THE TRAINING IS PRETTY MUCH ONE-ON-ONE. 
          SO YOU CAN'T JUST BRING, HIRE TWO PEOPLE. 
          IT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE THAT THE CITIZENS GROUP, A VERY GOOD QUESTION IS, WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED TWO OR THREE EMPLOYEES. 
          AND I'M LIKE, EVEN IF YOU GAVE US TWO OR THREE, WE COULDN'T HIRE 'EM BECAUSE WE COULDN'T TRAIN 'EM AT THE TIME. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS TO GET AT LEAST THE ONE POSITION, GET THIS PERSON IN. 
          RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE USING, WE'VE GOT THE FOUR COURT SPECIALISTS. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A, UM, TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE THAT HAS BEEN THERE WAY TOO LONG. 
          AND IT'S, WE ARE PHASING THAT POSITION OUT. 
          I THINK THE COURT, OR AT LEAST THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE WAS VERY GENEROUS IN GIVING THE FUNDING AS LONG AS THEY DID. 
          I'VE, WE ARE, WE THAT POSITION OUT IT WILL BE GONE AS OF, UM, THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR IF AGAIN, WE CUT THE HOURS DRAMATICALLY ALSO. 
          SO WE'RE NEEDING TO GET THAT PERSON OUT, BUT USE THEM FOR PROJECTS, GET THEM FOR TRAINING, BUT WE NEED TO START GETTING SOME OTHER PEOPLE. 
          NOW, PART OF, AGAIN, SOME OF, AGAIN, AN LITTLE EVIDENCE IS THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE HAVE LEFT PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE WORKLOAD AND IF WE KEEP LOSING PEOPLE AND WE KEEP INCREASING THE WORKLOAD FOR WHEN YOU ADD NEW POSITIONS, WHEN YOU ADD NEW POLICE OFFICERS, YOU ADD NEW PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING ZONING OR, UM, YOU KNOW, SHORT TERM RENTAL CASES. 
          THAT JUST ADDS AGAIN TO WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO DO. 
          AND SO AS SUCH, WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT ONE POSITION. 
          UM, I RIGHT NOW IT'S GONNA BE 71,000. 
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WE ACTUALLY CUT THAT DOWN. 
          INITIALLY, I THINK IT WAS 92,000, BUT THERE WAS SOME DUPLICATION OF, OF EQUIPMENT, THAT TYPE OF THING THAT WAS NEEDED. 
          SO AGAIN, WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT ONE POSITION IS THE, IS THE TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE CAN BE ABLE TO TRAIN THIS PERSON. 
          THEY COULD PROBABLY START, BUT AT THAT POINT I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF US, YOU KNOW, WE'VE RELIED TOO MUCH. 
          I MEAN, I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT PERSON'S BEEN THERE ALMOST FOUR YEARS AS A TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE. 
          SO THAT, THAT POSITION JUST NEEDS TO GO AWAY. 
          AND AGAIN, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WE NEED TO CHANGE IT FROM A, UH, FROM A TEMPORARY POSITION AND GET INTO A FULL-TIME POSITION. 
          THE PERSON CURRENTLY HOLDING IT IST INTERESTED IN FULL-TIME EMPLOYMENT. 
          I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE PERSON THAT'S BEEN THERE IS AN EXTREMELY EXPERIENCED, A FORMER COURT ADMINISTRATOR. 
          UM, UH, BUT SHE WANTS TO BE RETIRED. 
           . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND SHE'S A, SHE'S A GREAT ASSET. 
          WE, WE ENJOY HAVING HER HERE, YOU KNOW, BUT ON THE SAME HAND, IF WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT BUILDING UP LONG TERM AND BUILDING IN SOMEWHAT OF A SUCCESSION PLANNING, SHE CAN'T BE PART OF THAT. 
          I GET THAT. 
          PETE. 
          YEAH, JUDGE, A BLUNT QUESTION. 
          SO IN YOUR PRESENTATION HERE, YOU SAID THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LEFT HAVE LEFT PARTLY BECAUSE OF WORKLOAD. 
          IS THAT PARTLY 10% THEY HAPPEN TO JUST MENTION IT AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS GOING ON. 
          YOU KNOW, WHY WE JUST WANNA THROW ANOTHER BODY INTO THE MILL HERE? WELL, I, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY THROWING TO THROW ANOTHER BODY INTO THE MILL, WHICH, BUT, BUT ON THE SAME HAND, IT'S JUST, AGAIN, BECAUSE I'VE ONLY BEEN THERE FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS, I'M HEARING THAT AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO SAY I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AS CONCRETE JUST FROM THINGS FROM TALKING TO THEIR EMPLOYEES, TALKING TO SOME FORMER EMPLOYEES, UM, TALKING TO OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS, TALKING TO OTHER PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY, UM, OTHER, OTHER STAFF, UM, CONTRACT EMPLOYEES. 
          THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT I'M GETTING. 
          AND SO I WANTED TO BE UPFRONT ABOUT IT AND SAY I DON'T SIT HERE AND HAVE CONCRETE THINGS OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING AS FAR AS WHAT CAUSED IT, BUT I DO KNEW, I DO THINK THAT THE EMPLOYEES THEMSELVES ARE OVERWORKED AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET THE ADDITIONAL BODY. 
          AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION WAS REALLY THE CITY MANAGER. 
          AND IN OUR CHART HERE, WE GOT YESES AND NOS AND THEN A TIER TWO FOR THIS ONE. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE YOU TELL ME WHAT, WHY IT'S NOT A YES OR A NO, WHAT'S TIER TWO MEAN AND DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT NOW OR DO IT WAS PART OF MY HERE. 
          OH YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THE JAIL CAPTURE, UH, THE JUDGE AND I DID MEET AND DISCUSS HIS DECISION PACKAGE AHEAD OF TIME AND I DID SHARE WITH HIM THAT, UM, I DIDN'T THINK THAT THE, UM, I DIDN'T THINK THAT THE, UM, CONDITIONS WERE MET YET FOR ANOTHER NEW EMPLOYEE BECAUSE THE CITY HAD JUST GIVEN THEM ANOTHER COURT SPECIALIST TWO YEARS AGO, AND THE PROMISED, UH, IMPROVEMENT IN THE WORKLOAD, ET CETERA, AND TURNOVER DIDN'T HAPPEN AND IT'S NOW GROWN. 
          UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT TURNOVER ISSUE WOULD CREATE, YOU KNOW, UH, NOT AN IDEAL WORKFLOW ENVIRONMENT AND YOU'RE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO CATCH UP. 
          UM, MY ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION WHEN I DID MY FIRST DRAFT WAS NO, UM, BUT WE TALKED AND, UM, SO I KIND OF SOFTENED A LITTLE BIT AND PUT IT AT A TIER TWO. 
          SO REALLY IT'S GONNA BE THE, UM, COUNSEL'S CHOICE ON WHAT YOU WANNA SUPPORT AT THE COURT. 
          UM, I'M EXCITED FOR JUDGE SPEAR TO BE HERE AND THE DILIGENCE HE'S EMBARKED UPON TO TRY TO IDENTIFY THE ROOT CAUSE OF SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT THE STAFF IS FACING THERE. 
          AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, UM, WORK TOGETHER TO, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE RIGHT FIX. 
          UM, SO, SO IN A PROCESS WE, I'M SORT OF LIKE, OKAY, WE CAN MAKE IT WORK. 
          I'M, I AM, BECAUSE I ALREADY ADVOCATED ONCE BEFORE TO ADD A POSITION AND IT DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. 
          I'M JUST MORE SKEPTICAL, I GUESS. 
          THANK YOU ANNETTE, FOR THAT. 
          AND I THINK BEFORE WE'VE GIVEN, BUT REBUT REBUT, BUT SO ANY OF FURTHER THOUGHTS, JUDGE, BASED ON WHAT NO, AND I THINK I'M LISTENING TO WHAT THE CITY MANAGER SAID, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY WITH THE COURT. 
          WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          WE, AND I'VE SEEN IT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS, I'VE USED IT MYSELF. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE TO BE STEWARDS OF THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY. 
          WE DON'T JUST ARBITRARILY, YOU KNOW, THROW MONEY AND HOPE THAT SOMETHING WORKS OR THAT IT DOESN'T. 
          SO, UM, WE ARE TAKING IT VERY SERIOUS. 
          I'M KEEPING AN EYE ON THAT. 
          I'M LOOKING AT OTHER COSTS TO TRY TO MAYBE OFFSET THAT. 
          BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, I, I WOULD APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT SHE'S KEEPING THAT OPEN MIND. 
          I KNOW THAT THE WORKING GROUP ITSELF WAS SAYING I THINK THEY WANTED, I THINK THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP WAS I THINK IT SEEMS LIKE YOU REALLY NEED TWO OR THREE 
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EMPLOYEES, BUT AGAIN, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO EVEN HANDLE THAT. 
          SO I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU JUDGE SPEAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NICE TO SEE YOU. 
          THANKS FOR STICKING IT OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          ARE WE READY TO ADJOURN? TWO QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS A LOT AND UH, ALL DID A GREAT JOB, BRYCE. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ADVOCACY AND YOUR INTENSITY. 
          [5. ADJOURNMENT]
SO WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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