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          GOOD 
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MORNING. 
          [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ]
CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 8:01 AM ON WEDNESDAY, APRIL 22ND. 
          WOULD YOU JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE, TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. 
          ONE A NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? MAYOR PLU. 
          HERE, VICE MAYOR FUL. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILOR DUNN. 
          HERE, COUNCILOR FURMAN. 
          EXCUSED IS EXCUSED. 
          ABSENT. 
          HE'S EXCUSED. 
          COUNCILOR HOI? HERE. 
          COUNCILOR KINSELLA. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCILLOR FAF. 
          PRESENT. 
          OKAY. 
          TODAY WE HAVE SPECIAL BUSINESS. 
          THIS IS A WORK SESSION REGARDING THE CITY OF SEDONA BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 27. 
          THE COUNCIL MAY TAKE ACTION TO GIVE DIRECTION REGARDING CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED CITY BUDGET OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN. 
          AND I'LL 
          [3.a. Public Comment: Public comment on all budget items will be taken at the outset of the meeting. Each person commenting will have a maximum of two minutes. The entire period for the public comment will not exceed thirty minutes.]
OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I HAVE ONE CARD, JT. 
          GOOD MORNING COUNSEL. 
          MY NAME IS JOHN THOMPSON AND I AM INCREDIBLY FORTUNATE TO LIVE IN SEDONA. 
          WHAT I WANT TO DO IN TWO MINUTES OF THIS BEAUTIFUL MORNING IS TO WISH YOU A HAPPY EARTH DAY. 
          HOW PERFECT IT IS THAT YOU GATHER ON THIS PARTICULAR DAY TO DECIDE HOW TO BEST USE OUR COLLECTIVE TREASURE DURING THE COMING YEAR, ANOTHER YEAR IN WHICH MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO CAN'T SAY, LIKE I JUST SAID, AND LIKE WE ALL CAN SAY THAT WE LIVE IN SEDONA. 
          NEVERTHELESS, WE'LL COME HERE JUST TO SEE IT AND BE IN IT FOR A FEW DAYS OR EVEN A FEW HOURS. 
          AND FOR THIS PRIVILEGE, THEY WILL LEAVE SOME OF THEIR PERSONAL TREASURE WITH US. 
          SO, ON TOP OF THE FORTUNE, WE ENJOY BY ACTUALLY LIVING IN THIS WONDROUS PIECE OF EARTH. 
          WE WILL ADD THE COLLECTIVE FORTUNE OF THESE MILLIONS OF VISITORS TO SPEND. 
          HOWEVER, WE PLEASE, SHALL WE SPEND SOME OF IT TO SEE TO OUR OWN NEEDS? OF COURSE, SHALL WE SPEND SOME OF IT FOR THINGS THAT WE MIGHT WANT EVEN BEYOND THOSE NEEDS? SURE. 
          IT'S NOT SHAMEFUL TO DO SO, BUT THERE IS SO MUCH OF THIS TREASURE THAT CERTAINLY THERE WILL BE SOME LEFT OUT, UH, OVER THAT AFTER ALL OUR NEEDS AND MANY OF OUR WANTS ARE SATISFIED. 
          WHAT WE DO WITH THAT REMAINING TREASURE CAN SAY A LOT ABOUT HOW TRULY GRATEFUL WE ARE FOR THIS EARTH THAT WE CELEBRATE TODAY. 
          THAT EARTH HAS NO WANTS OF ITS OWN, BUT IT HAS MANY, MANY NEEDS THANKS TO TRYING TO SUPPORT US IN THE LIFESTYLE TO WHICH WE'VE BECOME ACCUSTOMED. 
          IS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN RETURN A REASONABLE PORTION OF THAT REMAINING TREASURE TO THE EARTH FOR ITS NEEDS? DO WE KNOW HOW TO DO THAT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR DEDICATED SERVICE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JT, HAVING NO OTHER CARDS. 
          I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          WE'LL MOVE RIGHT 
          [3.b. Continuation of Decision Packages (Item 3d) from April 14, 2026 City Council Special Meeting.]
ALONG TO THE CONTINUATION OF THE DECISION PACKAGES FROM OUR APRIL 14TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING. 
          SPECIAL MEETING. 
          SO BARBARA, YOU STERLING, WHO'S PRESENTING? GOOD MORNING. 
          UH, UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, BARBARA WHITEHORN, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. 
          UM, TODAY WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH A NUMBER OF THINGS, UM, BUT WE WILL START WITH THE DECISION PACKAGES. 
          AND AFTER WE FINISH THOSE, WE'LL GO INTO A YEAR TO DATE, BUDGET TO ACTUAL AND THEN DEVELOPMENT OF THE FISCAL 27 BUDGET. 
          SO, CONTINUING THE DECISION PACKAGE DISCUSSION. 
          OUR FIRST DECISION PACKAGE IS THE NAU INTERNSHIP PROGRAM. 
          AND I THINK THIS IS BRYCE. 
          YES, GOOD MORNING. 
          UH, COUNSEL, UM, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND DISTINGUISHED COUNSEL. 
          UH, BRYCE BECK, SUSTAINABILITY MANAGER. 
          UH, SO FOR THE NAA INTERNSHIP PACKAGE, UH, MUCH AS WE DISCUSSED, UM, UH, AT THE BUDGET SESSION LAST, UH, THE AMERICORPS PRO VISTA PROGRAM, WE'VE RELIED ON FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS. 
          UH, THAT PROGRAM HAS, UH, FACED SOME SUBSTANTIAL, UH, CHALLENGES. 
          UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO PILOT A INTERNSHIP OPPORTUNITY WITH, UH, NORTHERN ARIZONA UNIVERSITY'S CLIMATE SCIENCE AND SOLUTIONS, UH, PROGRAM. 
          IT'S A GRADUATE PROGRAM, UH, THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY THAT HAS AN ESTABLISHED, UH, INTERNSHIP, UH, PROGRAM CAPACITY WHERE, UH, 
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STUDENTS THAT ARE IN THAT GRADUATE PROGRAM HAVE TO COMPLETE INTERNSHIPS AS A, AS A FUNCTION OF THAT PROGRAM TO SUCCESSFULLY GRADUATE FROM IT AND GET THE, THE DEGREE FOR IT. 
          SO WE'D LIKE TO LEVERAGE THAT, THOSE PARTNERSHIPS, UH, IN ORDER TO AUGMENT AND, UM, SUPPORT, ESSENTIALLY REPLACE THE VISTA PROGRAM, UH, FOR A YEAR TO TEST IT OUT AND SEE HOW IT GOES. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? BRYCE, CHARLOTTE, JUST AS A MATTER OF UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS A LITTLE MORE, CAN YOU SPEAK INTO, JUST AS A MATTER OF UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS A LITTLE MORE, IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, I SHOULD ASK THEM NOW OR WE WE'LL BE REVISITING LATER. 
          NO, THIS IS IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS MAY BE A SILLY QUESTION, BUT IS THERE NO SUCH THING AS UNPAID INTERNSHIPS ANYMORE? THAT MEAN THERE THERE ARE UNPAID INTERNSHIPS. 
          UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S GRADUATE LEVEL COURSES IN THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO FILL A POSITION THAT HAS, UM, HISTORICALLY BEEN PAID. 
          LIKE THE VISTA PROGRAM. 
          THE MEMBERS THAT ARE THROUGH THAT VISTA PROGRAM ARE ALSO PAID. 
          SO THIS, THIS IS A, AN EXTENSION OF THE, THE WORK AND THE QUALITY OF WORK THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO GET OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE INTERNSHIP POSITION. 
          BUT IN, IN, FOR YOUR ANSWER DIRECTLY, THERE ARE UNPAID INTERNSHIPS, BUT, AND SO, UM, IS THERE A NET DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE PAID FOR THE VISTA VERSUS THIS? I MEAN, TO THE, TO THE BUDGET? UH, THERE'S ABOUT A $11,000, UH, DIFFERENCE. 
          WE, WE'VE TRADITIONALLY HAD BUDGETED ABOUT 14,800, I THINK OR SO. 
          UM, MOST OF THE TIME WE'VE BEEN AROUND 14,000 FOR THE VISTA PROGRAM. 
          UH, FOR THIS PILOT, IT WOULD BE, UH, 25,000 BECAUSE THE VISTA PROGRAM HAD FUNDING, UH, THAT WOULD COVER THE MATCH PORTION OF IT, THAT WOULD COVER ANOTHER 14,000 OR SO. 
          UH, FROM THAT, WITH THAT GOING AWAY, THEN THE COST, UH, INCREASES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR BRYCE, WHAT DOESN'T GET DONE IF WE DON'T FILL THIS POSITION? IF WE DON'T FUND THIS POSITION? UH, WHAT DOESN'T GET DONE IF WE DON'T FILL THIS POSITION? UH, ESSENTIALLY, UH, THERE'S A, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR OUTTA THIS POSITION IS TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT MORE RESIDENTS WITH, UH, VARIOUS PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE, UH, THROUGH OUR DEPARTMENT, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT PROGRAM. 
          UH, IN PARTICULAR, WE WANT TO THIS POSITION WE HAVE FOCUS ON A RESILIENCY ASPECT. 
          UH, THE STATE HAS THIS, UH, PROGRAM CALLED EFFICIENCY ARIZONA THAT, UH, THEY HAVE STRUGGLED WITH GETTING FOLKS TO BE CONNECTED WITH. 
          SO WITHOUT THIS POSITION, WE WOULD HAVE A HARDER TIME OF BEING ABLE TO CONNECT FOLKS WITH THAT ADDITIONAL, UH, AGENCY PROGRAM, UH, AND BE ABLE TO CONNECT RESIDENTS, UH, TO OUR VARIOUS PROGRAMS TO HELP WITH ENERGY EFFICIENCY, HEAT MITIGATION, EDUCATION, OUTREACH, AND THE LIKE. 
          WHAT DOES CONNECT OUR RESIDENTS TO THESE PROGRAMS REALLY MEAN? WHEN THE DAY IS DONE, ARE THEY GOING DOOR KNOCKING OR WHAT ARE THEY DOING? YEP. 
          DIRECT OUTREACH. 
          UH, HAVING WORKSHOP SESSIONS, DOOR TO DOOR, GETTING FOLKS, UH, CONNECTED WITH THE PROGRAMS AND AS I SAID, CONNECTED AGAIN. 
          BUT, UH, FACILITATING, GOING THROUGH THE APPLICATIONS WITH THEM. 
          'CAUSE THE ENERGY EFFICIENT EFFICIENCY ARIZONA APPLICATION COULD BE A LITTLE BIT CUMBERSOME TO GET THROUGH THIS POSITION, WOULD HELP WALK, UH, THE, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS THROUGH THOSE, UH, RESPECTIVE, UH, HURDLES TO GET THOSE APPLICATIONS FILLED IN, IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR BRYCE? SWALLOWED THE WRONG WAY. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, MAYOR? I DID. 
          I CAN'T GET IT THERE. 
          WHEN YOU WRITE UP THE SPECS FOR THIS PERSON, IS THERE A PROJECT THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR? THE MAIN, UH, PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE THEM, UH, LOOKING AT, IS THAT A CONNECTION WITH THE EFFICIENCY ARIZONA WORK? UM, AS WELL AS, UH, A LOT OF THE EDUCATIONAL OUTREACH EFFORTS, UH, THAT WE HAVE FOR RESPECTIVE PROGRAMS. THE VISTA PROGRAMS HAVE, UH, HISTORICALLY DONE, UH, ED EDUCATIONAL, UM, WORKSHOP CAMPAIGNS. 
          AND, UH, THE OTHER FOCUS OF THE VISTA PROGRAM IS CONNECTING ON THE LOW INCOME, UH, RESIDENTS TO, UH, RESPECTIVE PROGRAMS AND THE LIKE. 
          AND SO THIS POSITION WOULD BE OVERSEEING PROJECTS THAT ARE DIRECTLY, UH, TIED TO THAT EFFORT. 
          IF THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD MEASURE SUCCESS OF AND DETERMINE WHETHER THIS WAS PERSON WAS USEFUL AND YOU'D WANNA PURSUE IT IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR. 
          THEY HAVE SOMETHING TANGIBLE THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT YOU CAN MEASURE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO FOR THAT ASPECT, FOR THE PROGRAMS THAT, UH, WE HAVE THEM LOOKING AT AND THE LIKE, IS THAT WE'LL HAVE AN ENGAGEMENT ON JUST HOW MANY FOLKS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET, UM, CONNECTED WITH OUR VARIOUS PROGRAMS. AND THEN THE OTHER COMPONENT IS THAT THERE WILL HAVE, UH, SURVEY PIECES THAT WILL GO OUT TO EACH ONE OF THE, THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WE'VE 
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INTERACTED WITH, UH, WITH THIS MEMBER TO GET FEEDBACK ON HOW WELL THEY DID AND PERFORMED IN THAT ROLE OF, OF THE RESILIENCY ADAPTATION PIECE FOR THE INTERNSHIP, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, FEEDBACK FROM, UH, N'S, UH, PROGRAM COORDINATOR THAT THEY HAVE, UH, TO ESTABLISH ADDITIONAL BASELINES FOR, UM, EFFECTIVENESS OF, OF THAT INTERNSHIP POSITION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, MOVING RIGHT ALONG. 
          OKAY. 
          OUR NEXT, UM, OUR NEXT ITEM IS AGAIN BRYCE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, SO HELLO AGAIN. 
          UH, SO THE, UH, COMPOSTING PILOT WOULD BE AN EXPANSION OF OUR CURRENT EFFORTS, RIGHT? WE HAVE A, A SINGULAR DROP OFF LOCATION AT, UH, POSSE GROUNDS PARK. 
          UH, THE, THIS, UH, EFFORT WOULD HAVE A, A DOOR TO DOOR, UH, COMPONENT, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO THE, THE, UM, DECISION PACKAGE FOR THE WASTE DOOR-TO-DOOR SERVICE. 
          UH, WE CONFIRMED JUST RECENTLY WITH, UH, WITH THE POTENTIAL VENDORS FOR IT ON THE PRICING THAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED FOR THE, UM, FOR THE PILOT ITSELF, IT'S THE SAME SAME PRICING STRUCTURE THAT IS, UH, CURRENTLY PROVIDED FOR RESIDENTIAL PROGRAMS AND THE LIKES. 
          SO, UH, IT IS NOT COST, UH, THE ESTIMATED COST ISN'T MORE THAN, UH, WHAT'S CURRENTLY CHARGED FOR RESIDENCES, UH, TO PARTICIPATE IN IT. 
          UH, WE WOULD LOOK TO, UH, HAVE A SIMILAR SETUP WITH, SAY, OUR HOME ENERGY RETROFIT, THAT WE'D HAVE QUALIFIERS TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM. 
          UH, SO THAT IF YOU ARE ON A LOWER INCOME BASIS OR THE, LIKE, THAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO GET ON THIS PROGRAM, UH, A LITTLE BIT, UH, QUICKER TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE ACCESS, UH, TO THE COMPOSTING SERVICES. 
          REASON WHY WE'RE TARGETING RESIDENTIAL, UM, COMPOSTING IN THIS AREA IS THAT, UH, THE EPA, UH, 2019 REPORT ON, ON WASTE, UH, CREATION RESIDENTIAL IS THE LARGEST SECTOR OF FOOD WASTE AS A WHOLE, UH, AS A PER CAPITA BASIS. 
          IT'S, IT'S SMALLER, BUT THEY'RE JUST MORE HOUSEHOLDS. 
          SO WE WANTED TO TARGET A, A DOOR TO DOOR, UH, COMPOSTING SERVICE TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND CONNECTION WITH THAT AND DIVERT FOOD WASTE FROM THE LANDFILLS AND THE ASSOCIATED EMISSIONS, UH, RELATED TO THAT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRYCE? MELISSA? MORNING BRYCE. 
          UM, SO YOU ARE IN ESSENCE GUARANTEEING WHOEVER THE VENDOR IS, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF RESIDENCES TO SERVE. 
          SO WHY ARE WE PAYING AS A CITY EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE INDIVIDUAL WOULD PAY INSTEAD OF GETTING SOME KIND OF DISCOUNT FOR ASSURING THEM THAT THEY WILL HAVE THIS NUMBER OF PEOPLE GOING FORWARD? SO, FOR OUR BUDGETARY PURPOSES, WE PUT IN, UH, THE MARK OF WHAT IT CURRENTLY COSTS US AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT POS PROCESS AND NEGOTIATIONS. 
          WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND SEE IF WE CAN GET, UH, A BETTER, UH, BETTER DEAL. 
          UH, WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, I DIDN'T WANT TO, UH, ESSENTIALLY OVER PROMISE ON BUDGET AND UNDER DELIVER ON THAT. 
          SO WE, UH, PUT IN THE COST ESTIMATE OF WHAT IS, UH, PROVIDED FOR THE CURRENT RATE FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL PAYERS FOR THE PROGRAM. 
          THANK YOU, CHARLOTTE. 
          SO THERE'S A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, WHO ARE ALREADY ON A SUBSCRIPTION BASIS FOR COMPOSTING AND THEY'RE PAYING FOR IT. 
          WHAT MAKES US THINK THAT THIS IS NOT GONNA SIMPLY CANNIBALIZE FROM THAT AND THOSE PEOPLE, INSTEAD OF PAYING THEMSELF, WILL SIMPLY SWITCH OVER TO THE CITY PAID PROGRAM SO THAT IT'S, IT REALLY A FEELING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A NET INCREASE HERE. 
          I MEAN, IF I WAS PAYING FOR IT AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY NOT TO PAY FOR IT, I THINK I'D CHOOSE THAT OPTION. 
          THE, THE ASPECT WE, WE DEFINITELY THINK THERE'LL BE AN INCREASE IN, UH, PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IN IT. 
          'CAUSE AS I SAID, WE'LL PUT, UM, INCOME BASED QUALIFIERS ON IT SO THAT IF FOLKS ARE UNDER A CERTAIN THRESHOLD IN, IN, UH, AREA MEDIA INCOME, THAT THEY'D BE ABLE TO BE, UH, IN THE PROGRAM. 
          'CAUSE IF YOU'RE FAIRLY WELL OFF, UH, IN, IN THE CITY, UH, WE, THAT HASN'T BEEN OUR, UH, POLICY TO THEN AUGMENT THAT PERSON'S, UH, ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE, UH, SAY THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT PRIME EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE OVER 120% OF THE A MI YOU JUST COVER FOR THE ENERGY AUDIT AND NOT INCREASE SERVICES. 
          UH, SO THIS WOULD BE SET UP IN A SIMILAR WAY THAT IF YOU ARE BELOW A CERTAIN AREA, IMMEDIATE INCOME THAT YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT, UH, THAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO THEN QUALIFY FOR WE TO EXPAND OR POOL OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE SERVICE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE IT SHOULD BE INCOME TESTED, BUT, UM, IF, IF THE REGULAR COMPOSTING PROGRAM, UH, IS OPEN TO 150 AND WE HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED NOW, AGAIN, THERE'S EXCESS CAPACITY IN THAT, 
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AND MAYBE THE DISCUSSION SHOULD, I'M NOT SURE WHEN THIS DISCUSSION HAPPENS, BUT IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE'RE NOT EVEN AT CAPACITY THERE TO GO DOOR TO DOOR WITH THE CITY PAYING, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE NEED TO HAVE THAT FURTHER OPTION. 
          THE ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE, UH, POSSE GROUNDS LOCATION IS THAT THAT CENTRALIZED LOCATION AND FOLKS GETTING OUT AND DRIVING TO THE LOCATION, THE, LIKE, HAS BEEN AN IMPEDIMENT TO PEOPLE WANTING TO, TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT. 
          GENERALLY, WHEN IT COMES TO WASTE, PEOPLE WANT TO OUTTA SIGHT OUTTA MIND. 
          WE WE'RE ONLY GETTING THE, THE FOLKS THAT ARE REALLY INVESTED IN, IN THE COMPOSTING RIGHT NOW TO WANT TO TRAVEL TO DROP OFF THEIR WASTE IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF WASTE DIVERTED WE NEED TO MAKE IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO ENGAGE WITH IT. 
          UM, THAT ASPECT OF WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE REACHED CAPACITY AT THAT LOCATION, OBVIOUSLY WE, WE HAVE NOT REACHED THAT FULL CAPACITY, BUT WE'RE HAVING AN ISSUE ON, UM, BEING ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY GET FOLKS TO WANT TO ENGAGE IN THAT TRAVEL AND HOLD ONTO THEIR WAYS FOR LONGER TO DRIVE TO THAT DROP OFF LOCATION AND DISPOSE OF IT. 
          SO IN OUR MIND, BEING ABLE TO REMOVE THOSE HURDLES TO HAVE THIS DOOR TO DOOR PIECE WHERE YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S JUST THERE PICKING THAT WASTE UP. 
          IF WE HAD OUR WASTE AT OUR HOUSE RIGHT NOW, AND THE NOTION WAS, YOU'RE GONNA HOLD ONTO THAT, PUT IT IN YOUR TRUCK OR VEHICLE, SUV AND THE LIKE, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAUL ALL OF YOUR, YOUR WASTE, UH, YOURSELF TO LANDFILL. 
          MOST PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA WANT TO DO THAT. 
          SO WE'RE VIEWING COMPOSTING, COMPOSTING SERVICE IN THAT SAME LIGHT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE DRIVING AROUND WITH THEIR SUVS FULL OF THEIR LANDFILL WASTE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO WHY ARE WE ESSENTIALLY ENCOURAGING THAT FOR THE COMPOSTING SIDE OF THINGS? SO OUR ASPECT IS TO TRY TO BRIDGE THAT GAP, UH, WITH THE PILOT OF THE SERVICE. 
          KATHY FIRST, KATHY, THEN BRIAN, IF IT'S AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE, UM, UNDER CERTAIN INCOME LEVEL, HOW DO YOU INCOME TEST? THE SAME AS WE DO AT THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT. 
          YOU SUBMIT, UH, APP AN APPLICATION THAT HAS WHAT YOUR STATED INCOME IS IN INCOME DOCUMENTATION, UH, THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          AND HOW BROAD DO YOU GO? I MEAN, ARE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE ONLY LOOKING FOR PAY STUBS OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR INVESTMENT INCOME OR HOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE ACTUALLY INCOME TEST, JUST LIKE THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT PROJECT, IT, IT'S, UH, AN IN AN INCOME DOCUMENT THAT COULD BE, UH, A TAX RETURN. 
          IT COULD BE A PAY STUB, IT COULD BE A W2. 
          WE'VE BEEN RUNNING THE IN, UH, HOME ENERGY RETROFIT IN THE SAME MANNER FOR FIVE YEARS. 
          UH, SO AT THIS POINT IT'S PRETTY TRIED AND TRUE, OR FOUR AND A HALF YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND ALSO, UH, ONE LAST QUESTION. 
          UM, WHO ACTUALLY, I MEAN, AND I MEAN, WHO DOES THE DOOR TO DOOR PICKUPS? THAT WOULD BE, UH, THROUGH THE VENDOR? SORRY, THAT WOULD BE THROUGH THE VENDOR. 
          OKAY. 
          THE VENDOR. 
          THE VENDOR. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          COUNCILOR KINSELLA, YOU JUST ASKED COUNCILOR FURMAN'S QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, THE COST SHARE, UH, ASPECT. 
          UM, BUT BRYCE, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FROM A, UH, THIS ONE'S MINE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I ALREADY STRUGGLE WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TWO WASTE HAULERS DRIVING THE SAME STREETS EVERY DAY, EVERY WEEK. 
          THIS IS LIKE ANOTHER VERSION OF THAT, RIGHT? BUT EVEN LESS DENSE, YOU KNOW, STOPS ALONG THE WAY. 
          HOW'S THAT SUSTAINABLE? I, I, I STRUGGLE WITH THIS, RIGHT? IT'S SAME WITH THE RECYCLING CENTER, YOU KNOW, SAME KIND OF THING. 
          PEOPLE WERE DRIVING TO DIFFERENT PLACES FOR THAT. 
          AND I, I STRUGGLE WITH THE TRANSPORTATION ASPECT VERSUS THE OTHER SIDE OF WANTING TO DO GOOD BY THE, THE PLANET. 
          GREAT QUESTION. 
          UH, SO FOR, FOR THAT ASPECT, I THINK, UH, WHEN WE, WE'VE LOOKED AT SINGULAR OPTIONS LIKE OUR, THAT POSSE GROUNDS, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A HUNDRED SOME ODD HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE GOING TO, THAT, THAT'S A HUNDRED CARS THAT ARE THEN TRAVELING TO THAT LOCATION TO DO THAT, UH, VERSUS HAVING ONE HAULER TO GO THROUGH AND, UH, PICK UP THE SAME AMOUNT OF WASTE THROUGH IT. 
          SO WE'RE REDUCING CONGESTION BY IMPROVING THE ACCESS, UH, AND HAVING ONE HAULER INSTEAD OF A HUNDRED SOME ODD VEHICLES TRAVELING, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          THE NOTION OF BEING ABLE TO REDUCE THAT FURTHER, UH, AND HAVING A, A LARGER COMPONENT WHERE YOU HAD ONE POTENTIAL WASTE HAULER THAT DOES ALL OF THAT, THEN THAT WOULD BE A PERFECT IDEAL SITUATION. 
          UH, BUT WHEN OUR CURRENT LANDSCAPING, UH, WE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD THAT OPTION TO BE ABLE TO, TO SCALE TO THAT EFFECTIVENESS TO HAVE ONE LIKE FRANCHISED HAULER, UH, THROUGHOUT THE AREA. 
          AND SO FROM OUR VIEWPOINT, IT WAS THAT BEING ABLE TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, UH, FROM PEOPLE TRAVELING TO, EVEN IF WE DID MULTIPLE DROP OFF SITES, BEING ABLE TO REDUCE THAT LEG OF IT AND THEN JUST HAVING ONE HAULER WAS STILL GONNA IMPROVE THE OVERALL, UH, 
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TRAFFIC CONTROL AND, AND, UH, VEHICLE TRAFFIC ON THE ROADWAYS. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUALITATIVE OR QUANTITATIVE INSIGHT WHETHER PEOPLE USING THE PROGRAM CURRENTLY ARE MAKING THEIR STOP AT POSSE GROUNDS PART OF, UH, A SERIES OF ERRANDS VERSUS IT BEING ONE OFF? RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE IF IT'S ONE OFF, YOU KNOW, YOUR ARGUMENT HOLDS MORE WATER THAN IF YOU KNOW, HEY, I'M, I'M STOPPING THERE ON THE WAY TO BOSCH'S OR SAFEWAY OR WHOLE FOODS OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          UM, AT THE MOMENT, I DON'T HAVE A, A GREAT ANSWER, UH, QUALITATIVE, QUANTITATIVE FOR THAT PIECE. 
          UM, I CAN, UH, DOUBLE CHECK WITH MY COLLEAGUES, SEE IF, UH, IN OUR SURVEY, UH, RESPONSES IF WE HAVE ANYTHING THERE. 
          BUT I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AT THE MOMENT, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          MAYOR. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE MOVE INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE UPTOWN CFA DESIGN THAT WE DO TREE PLANNING, BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO BRYCE'S. 
          AND THEN WE CAN HEAR FROM ANNETTE ON THOSE THIS, THE SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAMS AND YOUR RECOMMENDATION, ANNETTE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHTY. 
          UH, SO FOR THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, TREE PLANTING PROGRAM, UH, WE'RE ALSO PITCHING A, A PILOT PROGRAM FOR THAT. 
          UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO, UH, MIMIC A PROGRAM THAT'S DOWN WITH THE, THE CITY OF MESA. 
          UH, THE, UH, ASPECT IS THAT WE'RE, UH, LOOKING TO IN IMPROVE OUR HEAT ISLAND, UH, RESILIENCY EFFORTS WITHIN THE, THE CITY. 
          SO THIS, UH, PROGRAM WOULD LOOK TO HAVE, UM, AN APPLICATION OF ABOUT 50 HOUSEHOLDS, LOOKING ABOUT TWO OR SO TREES PER HOUSEHOLD. 
          UH, THAT WOULD BE, UH, DESERT, ADAPTED SHADE, SHADE TREES, UH, WITHIN THE AREA, UH, THAT OVERALL PRICE THAT YOU SEE AT $84,000 OR SO. 
          AND YOU'RE THINKING A HUNDRED TREES, THAT'S $840 A TREE. 
          THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT. 
          IT'S NOT JUST THE TREE THOUGH. 
          UH, WE'RE PURCHASING THE TREE, THE LANDSCAPE OR, AND THE LENGTH TO BE ABLE TO GO IN, UH, PUT THE TREES IN, ESTABLISH 'EM, AND GET THEM, UH, TO WHERE THAT THEY CAN BE ABLE TO THRIVE. 
          UH, AND SIMILAR COMPONENT WITH THEIR OTHER PROGRAMS. UH, WE'D BE LOOKING TO DO THIS, UH, FOR RESIDENCES, UH, THAT HAVE HAD, UH, DIFFICULTIES, UH, DOING IT THEMSELVES. 
          UM, AND SO WE DON'T WANT, UM, UH, FOLKS THAT ARE, UH, MAY, MAY HAVE DISABILITIES OR IMPAIRMENTS OR LIKE THAT, OR THEN TRYING TO, UH, GO INSTALL THESE TREES. 
          SO THIS ASPECT WOULD, UH, PROVIDE THOSE TREES AND INSTALLATION, UH, TO THEM IN, IN AREAS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED WITHIN OUR URBAN HEAT MAPPING, UH, EFFORTS. 
          BRIAN, THANK YOU, MAYOR BRYCE. 
          APOLOGIES IF I'M NOT REMEMBERING THIS. 
          WHAT SIZE OF TREES WOULD THESE BE THAT ARE GETTING PLANTED? WHAT, WHAT KIND OF COVERAGE WOULD THEY HAVE WHEN THEY GO IN THE GROUND? YOU KNOW, A FOOT OR TWO PROBABLY YES. 
          THEY'D BE, THEY WANNA BE SAPLINGS, UH, BUT THEY'D BE, I THINK IT WAS A 15 GALLON OR SO TREE, UH, FOR IT. 
          SO THEY'D BE FAIRLY ESTABLISHED. 
          WE WOULDN'T BE PUTTING IN SAPLINGS, BUT, UH, THEY'D BE, UM, YOUNGER TREES. 
          UM, AND SO IT'D TAKE A LITTLE BIT WHILE TO GET TO THE FULL, FULL BREADTH OF THE TREE. 
          AND IN THIS PROPOSED PROGRAM, THERE'S THE COST OF THE TREE FROM A NURSERY, LET'S SAY, BUT THEN SOMEBODY'S GETTING PAID TO DO THE PLANTING. 
          ALSO. 
          HAVE WE LOOKED INTO WHETHER THERE COULD BE A VOLUNTEER PROGRAM AMONGST THE ARBORISTS OF THE VERDE VALLEY TO HELP DEFRAY THIS COST BY, UH, VOLUNTEERING TO, TO DO THAT PLANTING? OR IS THERE SOME OTHER NONPROFIT THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED? LIKE, IT'S NOT GONNA HELP HERE, BUT I HAVE A FRIEND THAT RUNS FUTURE FORESTRY IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA, AND THEY GO OUT AND THEY PLANT THOUSANDS OF TREES A YEAR, AND IT'S LIKE ALL VOLUNTEER ACTIVITY. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS ISN'T AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING WHERE THERE COULD REALLY BE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT TO EXECUTE ON IT AND BRING THAT COST DOWN SINCE THAT WAS KIND OF THE, SEEMED LIKE THAT WAS THE MAJOR RESISTANCE, AT LEAST FROM THE RESIDENT WORKING GROUP, WAS THE COST. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, THERE'S DEFINITELY AN, AN ABILITY TO INCLUDE A, A VOLUNTEER ELEMENT, UH, WITHIN THAT. 
          UH, WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THE ARBORISTS IN THE AREA WOULD BE WANTING TO, TO PROVIDE THAT VOLUNTEER COMPONENT, UH, AND EXPERTISE THEMSELVES. 
          UH, BUT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IS TO HAVE AN ESTABLISHED, UH, ESTABLISHED ARBORISTS FOR THEIR SERVICES. 
          BUT WHAT, UH, WE'VE, UH, ZACH, UH, AND MYSELF HAVE LOOKED AT IS THEN HAVING, BEING ABLE TO THEN CONNECT COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO THEN GO OUT AND DO THE, THE PLANTINGS AND THE LIKE, TO GET THAT CO THAT COMMUNITY, UH, CONNECTION PIECE, AS YOU MENTIONED. 
          UH, BUT IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT WE HAD A, A VENDOR OR AN ARBORIST THAT WAS WILLING TO PROVIDE THE, THE ACTUAL SERVICING AND PLANTING IT FOR FREE, WE, WE HAVEN'T, UH, COME ACROSS ANY OF THOSE AT THE MOMENT. 
          BUT HAVE YOU TRIED TO, HAVE YOU INQUIRED? WE'VE INQUIRED, BUT I MEAN, FOR MOST FOLKS THAT ARE LOOKING TO, TO TRY TO PLANT TREE SERVICES IN LIFE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN 'EM TO BE LIKE, YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL DO A HUNDRED TREES FOR FREE. 
          LIKE, WE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT RIGHT. 
          BUT THERE'S, THERE'S DOZENS UPON DOZENS OF POSSIBLE VENDORS THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST, 
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HEY, EACH OF YOU TAKE FIVE TREES OR FIVE HOUSES. 
          RIGHT. 
          MANY HANDS MAKE LIGHT WORK. 
          JUST, JUST, I'M JUST ASKING. 
          I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR IT. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, BRYCE. 
          HOW, HOW WOULD PEOPLE QUALIFY FOR THIS PROGRAM? UH, WE COULD SET UP VERY SIMILAR TO THE, THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT PROJECT IN A SIMILAR MANNER. 
          SO IT WOULD BE INCOME BASED. 
          WE COULD DEFINITELY DO THAT. 
          YEP. 
          WELL, WHAT ABOUT NEED? BECAUSE IT IS FOR HEAT MITIGATION MM-HMM . 
          AREN'T THERE GONNA BE SOME AREAS THAT ARE MORE IN NEED OF THE MITIGATION THAN OTHERS? YES. 
          SO, UH, OUR INITIAL THOUGHT IS TO KIND OF OVERLAY BOTH, UH, THE INCOME COMPONENT AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAD A FINANCIAL NEED, AND THEN OVERLAYING THAT WITH OUR, UH, URBAN HEAT MAPPING EFFORTS, UH, TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE IN AN AREA THAT HAD MORE NEED WITHIN THAT AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MELISSA? SO, BRYCE, UM, MY, MY CONCERN AROUND THIS PROGRAM IS THAT TREES TO ESTABLISH NEED WATER, UM, AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE THESE TREES? MAKING SURE THAT THEY GET SUFFICIENT WATER DURING THEIR FIRST YEAR, BEFORE THEIR ROOTS TAKE HOLD, THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASSUMING IRRIGATION, WHICH MIGHT NOT EXIST. 
          SO EACH ONE OF THOSE HOUSES WOULD, WOULD HAVE THE, THE ARBORIST GO THROUGH THE, THE HOME AND BE ABLE TO INSPECT WHAT WOULD, WOULD BE NEEDED TO QUALIFY FOR THOSE RESPECTIVE AREAS. 
          SO I WOULD LEAVE THAT UP TO OUR, THEIR SPECIFIC VENDORS FOR, UH, WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THOSE, THOSE SPECIFIC HOMES. 
          BUT EACH HOME, AS, AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, THEY WOULD BE A BIT DIFFERENT FOR EACH ONE. 
          BUT FOR AT THE MOMENT, I WANNA BE ABLE TO TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW THAT VENDOR IS GOING TO HANDLE EACH, EACH ONE OF THOSE RESPECTIVE HOMES. 
          THAT'S THE ASPECT OF WHAT WE'D GO THROUGH WITH OUR NEGOTIATIONS ON THE CONTRACTS. 
          SO THE $840 PER TREE, WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE FACT THAT THEY MIGHT NEED TO BUILD AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM IN ORDER TO KEEP THOSE TREES WATERED? MOST OF THE ASPECT WOULD BE YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT YOU HAVE SOME IRRIGATION THAT IS ON SITE WITH THE ABILITY TO DO A DRIP LINE, UH, SYSTEM. 
          MOST OF THE DRIP LINE SYSTEMS ARE, ARE RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE TO CONSTRUCT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THAT, THAT COULD BE A REALLY BIG ASSUMPTION FOR AREAS WHERE WE ARE IN HEAT ZONE. 
          SO THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF CONCRETE AND, AND OTHER NON ABSORPTIVE MATERIALS, PLUS LOW INCOME THAT MIGHT, OR DISABILITIES THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT BE A BIG ASSUMPTION. 
          SO I WOULD CERTAINLY BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND HOW MUCH OF A, AN ASSUMPTION THAT'S GOING TO BE, BECAUSE THAT COULD BE MORE THAN $840 PER TREE, WHICH WHICH MEANS YOU'RE EITHER PLANNING FOR FEWER TREES OR THIS COST GOES UP, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          I MEAN, IT DOES MAKE SENSE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT WHY WE'VE PITCHED IT AS A PILOT PROGRAM. 
          IF I HAD ABSOLUTELY ALL THE PERFECT ANSWERS FOR, FOR THE TREE PLANTING, THEN I WOULD SAY ONGOING PROGRAM, EVERYTHING'S IRONED OUT. 
          I MEAN, THE COMPONENT WE HAVE HERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO IS BE ABLE TO OPERATE IT, TRY IT, TWEAK THINGS WHERE, WHERE WE NEED TO, UH, WITHIN THE ASPECT. 
          BUT, UH, THAT'S WHY NEARLY EVERY DECISION PACKAGE THAT WE'VE BROUGHT FORWARD IS A PILOT. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE BRAND NEW, UH, PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK OUR WAY THROUGH. 
          CHARLOTTE. 
          I LOVE THE IDEA OF PLANTING TREES, AND I CERTAINLY GET THE CONNECTION WITH THE HEAT ISLANDS. 
          UM, TAGGING ON A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT HOLLY HAD SAID EARLIER ABOUT NEED. 
          I WAS, I DON'T WANNA SAY IMPRESSED. 
          I WAS TAKEN ABACK BY THE ALL THE STEPS AT THE FRONT END TO QUALIFY TO, YOU KNOW, TO LOCATE TO ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. 
          UM, AND THE TIME IT WOULD TAKE. 
          SO I WAS, IT MADE ME WONDER IF THERE ARE AREAS OF NEED FOR HEAT MITIGATION THAT ARE EASIER TO DEAL WITH. 
          I MEAN, CITY PROPERTIES, SCHOOL PROPERTIES, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, OTHER KINDS OF AREAS THAT EQUALLY HAVE NEEDS, BUT WE COULD GET 'EM IN THE GROUND FASTER BECAUSE THERE WOULDN'T BE ALL THIS NEGOTIATING WITH THE HOMEOWNER MEANS TESTING, SEEING IF THEY HAD ADEQUATE WATER SYSTEMS, SO ON AND SO FORTH. 
          IT'S, IT'S JUST A THOUGHT. 
          AND THE OTHER, MY OTHER THOUGHT WAS IN THE VALLEY WHERE I COME FROM, TREES OVER A CERTAIN SIZE, IF THEY WERE NOT PLANTED BY THE, UH, NURSERY WHERE YOU GOT THEM, YOU, YOU HAD NO GUARANTEE, UM, IF SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THE TREE. 
          I MEAN, THEY WOULD ONLY GUA GUARANTEE IT AND REPLACE IF THEY WERE THE ONES THAT PLANTED IT. 
          THAT MAY BE DIFFERENT UP HERE. 
          'CAUSE MAYBE IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, THE INSTEAD OF THE BRUTAL HEAT IN THE VALLEY. 
          BUT THAT WAS OUR EXPERIENCE THERE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          UM, YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE, THE FEEDBACK, UM, WITH THAT. 
          FOR THE AREAS THAT WE'VE 
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LOOKED AT TO IMPLEMENTING MORE HEAT MITIGATION, THAT'S BEEN ON OUR SHARED USE FAST AND THE LIKE, UH, WE JUST WERE RECENTLY ABLE TO GET ADDITIONAL TREES INSTALLED AT THE COMMUNITY LI THE SHARED, SHARED USE PATH THAT'S BY THE COMMUNITY LIBRARY. 
          UM, JONATHAN AND ZACH ARE GOING THROUGH, UH, SITE VISITS RIGHT NOW TO DO ADDITIONAL TREE PLANTINGS THAT ARE ON CITY MAINTAINED PROPERTIES. 
          AND LIKE, UM, WE ARE TRYING TO GET SOME DISCUSSIONS GOING WITH SOME OF THE PRIVATE, UH, PARKING LOT AREAS, SAY THE BASHES AND SAFEWAY PARKING LOTS TO SEE WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          BUT THOSE TIMEFRAME AND RELATIONSHIPS JUST, THEY, THEY TAKE TIME TO, TO DEVELOP AND TO, TO GET TO A SPOT WHERE I COULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND HAVE A, A PROJECT OR AN IDEA THAT SPECIFICALLY TACKLES THAT ONE. 
          OUR THOUGHT WITH THIS IS THAT THE RESIDENCES THAT HAD THE ASPECT OF BEING ABLE TO, UH, NEEDING MORE OF THE HELP VERSUS THE BUSINESS, UH, AREAS FOR IT. 
          SO THEN THAT'S WHERE WE WANTED TO TARGET OUR, OUR EFFORTS FOR THIS PILOT. 
          WELL, I, I WOULD SUGGEST WHAT SHOULD DRIVE IT IS THE NEED, NOT THE ABILITY TO PAY. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY THE NEED, THE NEED FOR THE TREES ANYWAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHAT'S MESA'S EXPERIENCE BEEN? IS THAT THIS WAS BASED ON A, A PROGRAM THAT MESA HAS. 
          UH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, THE, THE PROGRAM WITH MESA'S, UM, DONE FAIRLY WELL. 
          THEY'VE HAD, UH, SIMILAR, UH, SIMILAR ISSUES THAT THEY, THEY'VE NAVIGATED, UH, AND THE LIKE, UH, THROUGH IT. 
          UM, WE'RE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. 
          WE'RE JUST NOT HAVING AS MANY, UH, VENDORS IN ARBORISTS OR WHATNOT THAT SAY MESA AREA DESERT OR LIKE, BUT, UH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S BEEN A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM. 
          KATHY, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? IF I MISSED THIS, I'M SORRY, BUT IS THE PROGRAM OPEN TO HOAS? IT? IT VERY WELL COULD BE. 
          UH, THEN HOW WOULD YOU INCOME TEST? SO THE, UH, ASPECT THAT WE'VE HAD RIGHT NOW IS LIKE, SO I SHOULD QUALIFY THAT IS THAT YOU COULD BE WITHIN AN HOA AND THEN APPLY FOR IT, BUT IT'D STILL BE THAT INDIVIDUAL RESIDENCE THAT WOULD BE APPLYING FOR IT. 
          IT WANNA BE THE HOA AS A WHOLE. 
          BUT IN MANY HOAS, THE LAND IS OWNED BY THE HOA, NOT THE INDIVIDUAL RESIDENT. 
          SO FOR JUST LIKE OUR, THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROJECTS AND THE LIKE, I MEAN, SOMEBODY IN AN HOA RIGHT NOW CAN APPLY FOR A HOME ENERGY RETROFIT PROJECT IF THEIR HOA HAS ESTABLISHMENTS ON WHAT CAN GO IN THAT LANDSCAPING, SOME OF THAT INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER TO THEN BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT THEIR, THEIR HOA REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY MORE QUESTIONS? NO QUESTION, MELISSA. 
          IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT A QUESTION. 
          IT'S A COMMENT. 
          SO FOR ANYONE WHO HAS NOT BEEN OVER TO SEE THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE AROUND THE SEP BY THE LIBRARY, YOU REALLY SHOULD GO AND SEE IT. 
          UM, IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY PHENOMENAL FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WALKING TO AND FROM THE LIBRARY WHEN THOSE TREES GET TO BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. 
          I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I THOUGHT YOU HAD DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH THAT. 
          SO, OF, OKAY. 
          SO THAT CONCLUDES SUSTAINABILITY. 
          SO ANNETTE, CAN YOU GO THROUGH THOSE WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS PLEASE? UH, SURE. 
          UM, SO YOU'LL SEE AT THE VERY END OF THE POWERPOINT SLIDE FOR THE DELIBERATIONS TOMORROW AFTERNOON IS THIS SUMMARY OF ALL OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE SUSTAINABILITY ITEMS, I HAD INDICATED A YES, A SUPPORT FOR ALL OF THEM. 
          AND THE WAY THAT I VIEW WHAT, UM, BRYCE IS PROPOSING TO TRY OUT WITH OUR COMMUNITY IS, UM, THESE ARE EFFORTS THAT SUPPORT THE BIG PICTURE OF OUR SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS. 
          THEY TIE INTO THE COMMUNITY'S CORE VALUES OF SUPPORTING OUR ENVIRONMENT AND BEING ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS AND DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          I THINK THEY TIE INTO THE COUNCIL'S INTEREST IN SUPPORTING COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, WE FREQUENTLY HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT, UH, A LOT OF WHAT THE CITY DOES IS AROUND TOURISM, AND THESE ARE SMALL WAYS THAT WE CAN PARTNER WITH OUR RESIDENTS IN SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS TO TRY TO DO THINGS THAT HAVE, UM, A POSITIVE IMPACT, EVEN IF IT'S IN A, IN SMALL WAYS, YOU KNOW, IN SMALL AREAS. 
          SO I SUPPORT BRYCE TRYING TO COME UP WITH IDEAS THAT, UM, FIT THESE VALUES. 
          AND I AGREE WITH HIM THAT WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE BEST WAY TO STRUCTURE THIS DOWN TO THE, YOU KNOW, AND DEGREE. 
          AND, UM, FROM THE BUDGETARY PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH US EXPLORING THESE IDEAS AND TRYING TO TEST THEM OUT AND CREATE LIKE REALLY GOOD PROGRAMS THAT CAN FUNCTION FOR THE LONG TERM, THEN I WOULD ASK YOU TO SUPPORT GIVING US A LITTLE FUNDING TO DO THAT. 
          AND WE CAN ALWAYS BRING THE DETAILS OF WHAT WE FIGURED OUT THE BEST WAY FOR THE PROGRAMS TO WORK BACK TO AND LET YOU KNOW HOW IT'S GONNA BE IMPLEMENTED. 
          UM, THE BUDGET WORK GROUP DID HAVE SOME INTERESTING COMMENTS WHEN I MET WITH THEM ABOUT, 
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YOU KNOW, THE COST PER ITEM TO DO AND MAYBE SOME DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT MORE EFFICIENT WAYS TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME GOALS. 
          UM, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THEM IS THAT THEY SUPPORT THESE IDEAS AND CONCEPTS AS WELL. 
          THEY JUST HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT LIKE, IMPLEMENTATION, WHICH I THINK THAT'S OUR JOB IS TO GO BACK AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DESIGN THE PROGRAM. 
          BUT WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'LL HEAR FROM THE COUNCIL THAT, UM, YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH US EXPLORING IT AND COMING BACK WITH LIKE, HOW WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          UM, I WOULD THINK THE NEIGHBORHOODS, IF WE TARGETED SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS AT A TIME INSTEAD OF TOO SCATTERSHOT, WHATEVER, IT STRENGTHENS OUR ABILITY TO PARTNER. 
          JUST LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH THE, UM, WHERE IS BRYCE? I FORGET THE NAME OF THE PROGRAM THAT LACE SPRINGS DID. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I SEE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR CROSSOVER, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR FIRE SAFE SEDONA EFFORTS AND GETTING NATIVE TREES AND GETTING RID OF INVASIVES AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY WAYS WE CAN, UM, PUT ALL THESE PUZZLE PIECES TOGETHER TO HAVE A BIGGER IMPACT. 
          SO THIS IS JUST LIKE ONE ELEMENT. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I RECOMMENDED YES, I SEE THAT YOU RECOMMENDED YES. 
          FOR ALL OF THE SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAMS. YES. 
          AND THE CITIZEN BUDGET WORK GROUP ONLY RECOMMENDED A YES ON THE NAU PARTNERSHIP. 
          UM, THEY, THEY ALSO, THE SUSTAINABILITY PLANS MANAGEMENT PLATFORM, THEY RECOMMENDED. 
          YES. 
          WE DIDN'T HEAR THAT. 
          SO WE HEARD IT THE OTHER DAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVING ON. 
          SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE UPTOWN CFA DESIGN. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          UM, THE, UH, UPTOWN CFA PLAN IS, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN A WHILE COMING. 
          I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ASKED FOR FOR A WHILE. 
          SO, UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS, UM, PORTION OF THE UPTOWN CFA PLAN. 
          WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, UM, WITH THIS $125,000 IS TWOFOLD. 
          UM, FIRST IT ALLOWS US TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL DATA, UM, SPECIFICALLY FROM COSTAR. 
          WE CURRENTLY HAVE A COSTAR ACCOUNT, UM, THAT ALLOWS US TO MEASURE, UM, THAT HOSPITALITY, UM, SYSTEMS. BUT COSTAR IS A MUCH MORE EXPANSIVE, UM, TOOL WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT ALL OF OUR COMMERCIAL, UM, AND MULTIFAMILY, UH, DIFFERENT ASPECTS. 
          AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S A MUCH MORE, IT'S MUCH MORE BROAD PROGRAM THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF. 
          IT'S NOT CHEAP. 
          UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ADD THAT TO BE ABLE TO DO ANALYSIS IN UPTOWN. 
          THE NICE THING ABOUT THAT IS WE WOULD GET IT CITYWIDE. 
          SO NOT ONLY WOULD WE THEN BE ABLE TO USE IT FOR UPTOWN, BUT WE'D BE ABLE TO USE IT IN OTHER AREAS SUCH AS WEST SEDONA, UM, IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL DATA. 
          THAT'S WHERE A PORTION OF THIS COMES. 
          AN ADDITIONAL PORTION OF THIS IS IF WE WERE TO DO DESIGN CHARETTES, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ENHANCE THE GRAPHICS, UM, THAT COME OUT OF, UM, THE, UH, THE FOCUS AREA, UM, PROGRAM. 
          SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT BEING ABLE TO PAY A LITTLE BIT TO DO SOME RENDERINGS AS WELL. 
          BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE MONEY, UM, THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR ACTUALLY IS INTENDED TO GO TO IMPLEMENTATION. 
          ONE OF THE BIGGEST ASPECTS OF, UM, OF ANY SPECIAL AREA PLAN IS THE ABILITY TO RESPOND QUICKLY TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BROUGHT UP. 
          SO LOOKING AT SMALL SCALE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE CAN SEE, THAT WE CAN HEAR FROM PEOPLE AND IMMEDIATELY TURN AROUND AND IMPLEMENT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COST A LOT OF MONEY, UM, BUT THEY CAN IMMEDIATELY MAKE AN IMPACT BECAUSE YOU'RE SHOWING THAT YOU'RE HEARING, UM, WHAT PEOPLE ARE PROPOSING. 
          AND TO THE EXTENT YOU CAN, YOU PUT THAT INTO PRACTICE RIGHT AWAY. 
          UM, SO IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMMEDIATELY BEGIN TO DO SOME SMALL SCALE IMPLEMENTATION. 
          SOME OF THAT IMPLEMENTATION CAN BE PERMANENT, SOME OF IT CAN BE EXPERIMENTAL. 
          UM, SO WE CAN COME IN AND DO SMALL SCALE TACTICAL TYPES OF THINGS TOO. 
          SO IF SOMEBODY BRINGS UP THE IDEA OF ART AT A CERTAIN AREA, OKAY, WELL, LET'S DO SOME EXPERIMENTAL THING AND LET'S TRY IT AT A VERY COST EFFECTIVE WAY, SEE IF IT WORKS. 
          IF IT HAS AN IMPACT, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT A PERMANENT, UH, APPLICATION IN THE FUTURE. 
          BUT IT ALLOWS US TO BE VERY RESPONSIVE, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO BE TACTICAL TO SEE IF SOME OF THE THINGS PEOPLE WANT TO DO ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE THINGS THAT SUCCEED OR, OR HAVE A MEASURE OF, OF EFFECTIVENESS THE WAY WE'D LIKE TO SEE. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THE 125,000 COMES IN, IN TOTAL, WE'D BE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 50,000 TO BE ABLE TO APPLY TOWARDS DATA RENDERINGS, ET CETERA. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER 75 WOULD GO TO, UM, SMALL SCALE IMPLEMENTATION WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WE DON'T USE ALL OF THE MONEY FOR THE DATA AND RENDERINGS, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO JUST PUT THAT ADDITIONAL MONEY BACK 
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INTO, UM, ADDITIONAL IMPLEMENTATION. 
          SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO MORE WITH IT, REGARDLESS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS, CHARLOTTE? I THINK I MISSED SOMETHING SOMEWHERE, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, BUT WHAT IS THE, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY EXPANDED BOUNDARIES? SURE. 
          SO WHAT ARE THE SUBSTANTIALLY EXPANDED BOUNDARIES? YEAH. 
          AND, AND SO THE, THE TERM UPTOWN FOR THIS PARTICULAR PLAN IS NOW SOMETHING OF A MISNOMER BECAUSE THE INITIAL, THE INITIAL PLAN THAT WAS DONE, THE DRAFT PLAN THAT WAS NOT FINALIZED, UM, THAT'S, UM, MULTIPLE YEARS OLD NOW, WAS INITIALLY FOR WHAT WE UNDERSTAND IS UPTOWN, BUT THE STUDY AREA THAT WAS RECOMMENDED IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THAT WE ARE USING RIGHT NOW ACTUALLY EXTENDS ALL THE WAY DOWN BELOW AK, UM, TO MOLE AND, UM, OH, THE NAME OF THE HOTEL. 
          THIS IS TERRIBLE. 
          ARABELLA. 
          ARABELLA, THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO IT'S A MUCH MORE EXPANSIVE AREA THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY CALL UPTOWN. 
          AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT COMING UP WITH A BETTER NAME SO THAT, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW OF UPTOWN EXACTLY, IS WHAT WE THINK OF IT. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT NAME TO ALSO TITLE THIS SO THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE THAT IT'S NOT JUST UPTOWN THAT WE'RE DOING THE STUDY FOR. 
          KATHY, ARE YOU INCLUDING RESIDENTIAL AREAS? THERE ARE SMALL POCKETS OF RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S NOT GOING DEEP IN, INTO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          IT'S PRIMARILY INTENDED TO LOOK AT THE COMMERCIAL AREAS, UM, AND LARGE SCALE MAIN OR MULTIFAMILY THAT MAY BE ALONG THE WAY, BUT IT'S PRIMARILY GOING TO BE COMMERCIALLY DRIVEN. 
          CHARLOTTE, I, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND, UM, THE TIMING OF THE CFA MM-HMM . 
          AND THE CREATION OR, OR, OR, UM, MASSAGING OF THE CURRENT CFA, HOWEVER YOU'RE GOING ABOUT IT. 
          I DUNNO IF YOU'RE STARTING FROM ZERO OR IF YOU'RE GONNA WORK FROM WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE, UM, IN RELATION TO THESE PROPOSED EXPENDITURES, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DATA GATHERING PART, BUT THE OTHER THINGS, IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT THROUGH THE CFA, HOW DO WE KNOW BEFOREHAND, UH, THAT WE WANT TO DO THIS, THIS, AND THIS? SURE. 
          THOSE BOTH GREAT QUESTIONS. 
          SO TO, TO RESPOND TO THE FIRST PART OF IT, YES, WE'RE USING THE INITIAL INFORMATION AS A RESOURCE, BUT, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT CFAS DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST. 
          UM, MOST OF OUR HISTORIC CFAS HAVE BEEN VISIONARY, IF YOU WILL. 
          UM, SO THEY THINK MUCH BROADER. 
          UM, I HAVE A MUCH MORE ACTION ORIENTED APPROACH TO PLANNING. 
          SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, WE STILL WANT TO BE ABLE TO THINK BOLDLY AND WE WANT TO THINK IN ADVANCE OF, OF HOW SPECIAL AREAS SHOULD WORK AS FAR AS LAND USES, ET CETERA, FROM THAT LARGER SCALE. 
          BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THEN HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE INTO MOBILITY ENHANCEMENTS, URBAN DESIGN IMPROVEMENTS, UM, BUSINESS CULTIVATION TYPES OF ACTIVITIES. 
          SO A MUCH BROADER PERSPECTIVE, BUT WHERE WE SEE OPPORTUNITIES THERE, UM, OR WE HEAR FROM PEOPLE SAYING, HEY, IF WE WERE TO JUST DO THIS, UM, AND IT'S A SMALL SCALE, POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENT, THEN WE HAVE A SMALL REVENUE STREAM WHERE WE CAN SAY, OKAY, LET'S GO TRY THAT. 
          AND SO GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE. 
          IF PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT AN AREA, UM, THAT, AND ANDY AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS JUST A LITTLE BIT, UM, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL BETWEEN TWO WAY AND ONE WAY STREETS. 
          UM, IF YOU WANTED TO TRY A ONE WAY STREET AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE BEFORE YOU GO OUT AND SPEND A TON OF MONEY TO, TO DO IT, LET'S GO GRAB SOME CONES. 
          LET'S LET THE PUBLIC KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND LET'S TACTICALLY APPLY IT AND SEE IF IT WORKS. 
          AND IF IT TURNS OUT TO BE EFFECTIVE, YOU KEEP IT AND YOU MAKE IT PERMANENT. 
          IF IT DOESN'T, THEN YOU DON'T, YOU COME UP WITH ANOTHER EXPERIMENT. 
          BUT THE IDEA IS TO TRY THINGS AND SEE HOW EFFECTIVE THEY CAN BE BEFORE YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING IT. 
          SO IT COSTS A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY TO DO IT, BUT IT COSTS FAR LESS THAN ACTUALLY MAKING THE, THE, UH, THE PERMANENT PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND THERE'LL BE SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE MAY SEE, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, ALONG THE RAILING, ALONG THE VIEW WALK, IF PEOPLE GAVE US IDEAS OF WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE THERE, YOU KNOW, IMPROVING A RAILING IS A RELATIVELY COST EFFECTIVE THING, BUT IT MAKES AN IMMEDIATE EFFECTIVE IMPROVEMENT. 
          PEOPLE WILL SEE RIGHT AWAY THAT YOU'RE RESPONDING TO WHAT THEY'VE SAID. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY WOULD GO IF THAT HELPS. 
          I, I CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THOSE SORT OF LITTLE, I, THOSE IDEAS FOR USES OF THE MONEY. 
          I'M JUST STILL, I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE TIMING OF IT AS IT RELATES TO THE DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT OF THE CFA ITSELF. 
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IT, IT'S MAYBE CHICKEN AND EGGY TO ME, I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, BUT I'M A LITTLE HUNG UP ON THAT, WHICH IS REALLY NOT THE SUBJECT OF THE, OF THE DECISION PACKAGE. 
          SO, NO, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE BECAUSE I THINK HISTORICALLY WE WERE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA THAT WE DO A PLAN, THEN WE PUT IN A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS REQUEST, WE COME IN AND DO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A VERY, A TRADITIONAL FORMAT. 
          WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING IS SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE GRAYER, IF YOU WILL, THAT GIVES US A, A SMALL AMOUNT OF RUNNING ROOM TO TRY THINGS AND JUST EXPERIMENT WITH THINGS ON THE FLY AS PEOPLE BRING THEM UP. 
          SO IT, IT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPERIMENTAL. 
          BUT WHAT I'VE FOUND IN THE PAST IS THAT WHEN WE ARE ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY ON SOMETHING THAT MEANS A LOT TO THEM, THEN THEY ENJOY THE IDEA THAT, HEY, LET'S GET A GROUP OUT THERE AND TRY THIS THING AND SEE IF IT WORKS. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT ALLOWS US TO, TO KINDA SEE IF THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE ON THEIR MIND ARE EFFECTIVE. 
          UM, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S, IT'S IN THAT GRAY AREA BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING AS PART OF THE PROCESS. 
          IT HAPPENS TOWARDS THE END OF THE PROCESS WHEN WE'RE COMING UP WITH THE ACTIONS. 
          BUT THAT WAY IT DOESN'T HAVE TO WAIT A FULL YEAR TO COME IN AND, AND ASK FOR THE LARGER SCALE THINGS. 
          WE CAN DO SOME OF THE SMALL THINGS AND THE EXPERIMENTAL THINGS IN BETWEEN. 
          I THINK FISCAL 27 IS THE YEAR OF THE PILOT. 
          , , BRIAN, BEN, KATHY. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          SO TONY, YOU SAID THAT IT, THE CFA WOULD BE MOSTLY COMMERCIAL FOCUSED, BUT SOME POCKETS OF RESIDENTIAL, BUT THEN THE, UH, PILOTING EXAMPLES, SOUND RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO HOW MUCH OF RESIDENTIAL UPTOWN DO YOU ENVISION? BECAUSE, AND, AND I MAY BE HAVING A REVISIONIST MINDSET HERE, BUT, UM, WHEN WE WERE LETTING OR SETTING OUT, UH, EXPECTATIONS FOR THE PARKING GARAGE APPROVAL AND THE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THINGS WE WANTED DONE AS FAR AS, UH, PARKING FEES, WAYFINDING, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT AREA THAT WE'RE WORK WORKING ON RIGHT NOW IS PART OF THE UPTOWN, UH, PARKING WORKING GROUP THAT THAT AREA WOULD BE PART OF A CFA CONSIDERATION. 
          SO SMITH, VANDEEN, ET CETERA. 
          IS THAT PART OF UPTOWN THAT YOU ENVISION BEING INCLUDED IN THIS? YES. 
          COUNCILMAN AND I DO APOLOGIZE BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING SMALLER BECAUSE OF THE LARGER SCALE THAT NOW THE, THE STUDY IS. 
          BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          THE RESIDENTIAL AREA WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT IS EXACTLY THE AREA YOU'RE DESCRIBING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO CONES DOWN ONE SIDE OF THE, THE ROAD MAKE IT ONE WAY ENVISION, YOU COULD HAVE A SIDEWALK, SOME BEAUTIFICATION, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF IT, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IS THIS, IS THIS A VERY INCREMENTAL LOOK AT THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF UPTOWN, OR IS THIS GOING TO DARE TO DREAM BIG OF RE-IMAGINING IN ANY PARTICULAR WAY? THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE WOULD, BECAUSE IT'S NICE ANSWER TONY , . 
          HOW WAS THAT FOR SPLITTING DOWN THE MIDDLE? UM, NO, BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO THINK BOLDLY AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO THINK LARGE SCALE. 
          BUT, UM, AGAIN, I'M, I'M SOMEWHAT IMPLEMENTATION DRIVEN, SO I WANT TO BE ABLE TO THINK BOLDLY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I HAVE TO BE THINKING, HOW DO I START THAT PROCESS TODAY? AND SO THE INCREMENTAL PART IS TO NUDGE THE MARKET IN A DIRECTION. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE TRY TO DO SOME OF THE SMALLER SCALE INCREMENTAL TYPES OF ADJUSTMENTS. 
          BUT NO, THE IDEA ULTIMATELY IS TO STILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO THINK BOLDLY ABOUT WHAT THIS AREA COULD BE OR WHERE IT WANTS TO GO. 
          UM, AND THEN THE INCREMENTAL PART IS HOW DO WE START THAT BALL ROLLING? HOW DO WE GET THERE AND WHAT DO THOSE MEASURES LOOK LIKE? SO THAT, UM, PART, PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH PLANNING AS YOU KNOW, IS WE COME UP WITH THESE BOLD IDEAS, AND THEN THERE'S THE, NOW WHAT, HOW DO WE GET FROM HERE TO HERE? MM-HMM . 
          AND SO THAT INCREMENTAL PART IN BETWEEN IS WHAT ALLOWS ALL OF US TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT PROGRESS LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO AS PART OF THE COMMERCIAL, I, I'M GOING WITH THE BOLD STATEMENTS LIKE, SURE, REIMAGINING, SO IS COMMERCIAL REIMAGINING, DOES THAT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, YOU KNOW, WE BEMOAN THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CARS THAT JUST DRIVE THROUGH UPTOWN TO GO THROUGH THE CANYON TO GO TO FLAG OR THE CANYON, AND WE'D LOVE TO HAVE A REASON FOR THEM TO STAY, TO STOP, TO HAVE LUNCH, TO BUY SOME THINGS IN THE SHOPS, WHATEVER. 
          SO IS THAT GOING TO BE A MOTIVATING FACTOR IN THINKING ABOUT WHAT COULD BE WHEN WE'RE DOING THE CFA? YEAH. 
          UM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, FROM THE TOURISM DISCUSSIONS LAST NIGHT AT AND ANDREW'S EVENT, WHICH WAS FANTASTIC, UM, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THAT COMMERCIAL ASPECT, IF WE CAN 
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GET PEOPLE TO STAY IN OUR, THIS EXPANDED AREA SHOPPING FOR BETWEEN FOUR AND SIX HOURS, THEN THAT HELPS THE BUSINESSES, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT ALSO HELPS THE BOTTOM LINE OF, OF OUR COMMERCIAL ASPECT. 
          SO YEAH, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          THAT'S PART OF THE BUSINESS CULTIVATION SIDE OF IT. 
          UM, BUT IT'S ALSO PART OF THE ENTERTAINMENT SIDE. 
          IT'S ALSO PART OF THE HOW TRAFFIC MOVES. 
          HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE OUTTA THEIR CARS, GET THEM WALKING, AND HAVE THEM BE COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO MORE WALK FURTHER THAN FOUR CITY BLOCKS. 
          UM, SO WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE ASPECTS FROM AN URBAN DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, FROM AN ENTERTAINMENT PERSPECTIVE, BUSINESS CULTIVATION PERSPECTIVE, UM, THE SUSTAINABILITY PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THE ENVIRONMENT IS COMFORTABLE, ENJOYABLE, CONVENIENT, ET CETERA. 
          SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT ASPECTS, UM, WITH THE IDEA OF CAPTURING AS MANY PEOPLE, BUT HAVING THE BEST EXPERIENCE POSSIBLE, NOT ONLY FOR THEM, UM, BUT FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE AS WELL. 
          YOU KNOW, MOST RESIDENTS TEND TO AVOID UPTOWN DURING TOURISM SEASONS. 
          UM, BUT IF WE FOUND OTHER REASONS TO HAVE RESIDENTS TO COME INTO, YOU KNOW, UPTOWN, WHETHER IT'S FOR ENTERTAINMENT, ET CETERA, YOU KNOW, THEN WE ALSO CAPTURE AN OLD, NEW AUDIENCE. 
          SO. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR KATHY. 
          UM, A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, UH, SOUNDS LIKE THE IDEA OF POSSIBLE IMPLEMENTATION IS INTRIGUING. 
          UH, BUT YOUR PROPOSAL, THE PROJECTED NUMBERS ARE 75 THOU OF THIS 1 25 IS 75,000 FOR THE PROFESSIONAL CONTRACT, WHICH LEAVES ONLY $50,000 FOR THOSE EXPERIMENTAL IMPLEMENTATIONS, WHICH DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT OF MONEY. 
          SO HOW DID YOU ARRIVE AT THAT NUMBER FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS? 'CAUSE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO SOME DEGREE SOUNDS PRETTY AMBITIOUS, MORE AMBITIOUS THAN $50,000. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND SO, AND, AND THOSE NUMBERS SHOULD BE FLIPPED. 
          I APOLOGIZE, I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. 
          WE NEED ROUGHLY 50,000 TO BE ABLE TO DO, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          PART OF THE REASON THAT WE'RE ABLE TO FLIP THAT, AND THIS HAS HAPPENED SINCE THE, THE BUDGET PACKAGE. 
          UM, WE WERE INITIALLY ACCOUNTING FOR ALSO NEEDING DATA THROUGH PLACER AI, UM, BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT ANDREW HAS MUCH BETTER SOURCES OF DATA FOR, UM, THAN PLACER AI WOULD PROVIDE FOR US. 
          UM, SO WE'RE ABLE TO THEN MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT. 
          UM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO THE WORKING GROUP, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO MENTION AT THAT TIME THAT IT LOOKED LIKE, UH, WE WOULDN'T NEED SOME OF THE DATA SOURCES THAT WE WOULDN'T, THAT WE ANTICIPATED. 
          SO IF WE COULD, WE WOULD, WE WOULD PROPOSE TO FLIP THAT. 
          SO IT WOULD BE 50,000 THAT WE WOULD USE TOWARDS RENDERINGS AND DATA AND 75,000 THAT WE WOULD APPLY TOWARDS, UM, IMPLEMENTATION, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S STILL THAT BIG NUMBERS, BUT THE QUESTION IS, IF, IF WE WERE CONSIDERING UP HERE AMENDING THIS TO MAYBE GO AHEAD WITH THE DESIGN SO THAT THE, INSTEAD OF ON THE FLY SORT OF GOING THROUGH, IF THE REST OF IT CAME BACK TO US FOR ADDITIONAL, LIKE AS A CONTINGENCY OR SOMETHING, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, WOULD BE HELPFUL OR WHAT WOULD BE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          BUT HERE'S BECAUSE IT IS, AGAIN, AS AS MENTIONED, IT'S THE YEAR OF THE PILOT. 
          UM, SO THIS, IT'S, IT'S AN EXPERIMENTAL IDEA. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING I HAVE APPLIED IN OTHER AREAS VERY EFFECTIVELY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, WHAT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS ASK YOU FOR A LARGER AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DO SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT WE MAY TURN OUT. 
          YOU KNOW, IT MAY TURN OUT THAT THE, THAT ALL OF THE PROJECTS PRESENTED ARE VERY LARGE PROJECTS THAT WE CAN'T USE THE MONEY FOR. 
          SO I'M THINKING THAT IF WE KEEP A, THE $75,000 OR WHATEVER THAT NUMBER LOOKS LIKE WOULD GIVE US THE FREEDOM TO TRY SOME THINGS, IS IT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO TRY ALL THE THINGS? ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          UM, COULD I ENJOY USING MORE? ABSOLUTELY. 
          , ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M THINKING THOUGH, IN THE SCENARIO THAT I AM PUTTING OUT ON THE TABLE FOR THE MOMENT IS THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB WITH THIS, BUT THERE'S, UM, NOT AS MUCH PUBLIC REVIEW AND DISCUSSION. 
          IF IT WAS IN A CONTINGENCY, IT WOULD FORCE IT TO COME HERE FOR APPROVAL OF CONTINGENCY MONIES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHICH WOULD TRIGGER PUBLIC DISCUSSION. 
          IT WOULD BE AGENDAS. 
          PEOPLE WOULD KNOW WHAT'S UNDER DISCUSSION WITH IT. 
          UM, AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S NOODLING IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD HERE. 
          SO WOULD THAT BE THINKING OF, OF MOVING FORWARDS WITH SAY, $50,000 OF IT TO GO TOWARDS THE DATA, THE RENDERINGS, AND HOLD OFF THE REST OF IT FOR DISCUSSION AND CONTINGENCY? THAT'S AN IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING IT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S FERMENTING IN THE BACK OF MY BRAIN. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
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WELL, TONY, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 
          WHEN WOULD, WOULD YOU BE PLANNING TO GET STARTED? 'CAUSE IMMEDIATELY JULY 1ST, OR IS IT GONNA TAKE A WHILE? SO WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY EMPLOY THE DATA, UM, JULY 1ST, YOU KNOW, AND WE WOULD, IF, IF WE KNEW IN ADVANCE, WE WOULD ALREADY, YOU KNOW, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I'M, I'M PUTTING IN A CALL INTO COSTAR TO GET STARTED ON THE IDEA OF WHAT THE COST WOULD BE, ET CETERA. 
          UM, SO THOSE ASPECTS OF IT WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD ON QUICKLY. 
          UM, THE, THE, THE DESIGN AND RENDERING ASPECTS ON IT WOULD PROBABLY HAPPEN WITHIN A MONTH OR TWO. 
          UM, THE ACTION ORIENTED ITEMS WOULD PROBABLY NOT COME FOR ANOTHER FOUR TO FIVE MONTHS INTO, UM, INTO THE, UM, SO WE'RE TALKING MAYBE THE THIRD QUARTER OF THE FISCAL YEAR? YEAH, PROBABLY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND JUST SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT DOING CONTINGENCIES BY DEPARTMENT, WE'RE DOING ONE CONTINGENCY BUCKET. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          BRIAN, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP, UH, THEN DEREK, THEN, LIKE IF THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE IN A HURRY TO GET LAUNCHED ON, 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE DOING THE MATH HERE OF HOW LONG IS THIS GONNA TAKE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          UM, I MEAN, IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD FUND OUT OF FISCAL $26, UH, THE COSTAR BUDGET? I MEAN, SURELY WE HAVE PLENTY OF UNSPENT BUDGET AT THIS POINT AND CAN REASONABLY FORECAST THAT. 
          YEAH, AND I GOT THE, THE POSITIVE THING FROM STERLING, SO YEAH, WE ABSOLUTELY COULD FUND IT IN FISCAL 26. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YES, THERE'S MONEY IN 26 TO DO THE DATA COLLECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          ASPECT. 
          IS THERE CAPACITY THOUGH, IN THE DEPARTMENT? YES. 
          IN 26? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE READY TO GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE, WITH THAT LEVEL OF DATA COLLECTION. 
          UM, UH, PRETTY MUCH ANYTIME. 
          OKAY. 
          DEREK, DOES THE DATA COLLECTION INCLUDE RESIDENT INPUT OR AT WHAT POINT DO THE RESIDENTS GET TO HAVE A SAY ON THIS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO WE'RE DOING, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, I'M USING THIS AS A TRAINING MENTORSHIP OPPORTUNITY AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, AT THE FIRST ASPECTS OF IT IS TRAINING UP THE STAFF TO THINK CREATIVELY, UM, ON SOME OF THESE THINGS AND THINGS THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, IN WAYS THEY HAVEN'T REALLY THOUGHT OF BEFORE. 
          AND SO I'M TAKING THIS EARLY STAGE TO BE ABLE TO INTEGRATE THE STAFF INTO UNDERSTANDING HOW PLACES FUNCTION, HOW PEOPLE USE SPACES, HOW THEY RELATE TO OUR BUSINESSES, HOW PEOPLE WALK THROUGH THE AREAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          YOU KNOW, WHY DO PEOPLE STOP AT CERTAIN POINTS AND THEN GET IN THEIR CAR TO DRIVE TO UPTOWN VERSUS WHY NOT JUST WALK DOWN TO TILLOCK. 
          IT'S NOT THAT BAD EXCEPT IN THE SUMMER. 
          SO LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF HOW OUR COMMUNITY WORKS WITHIN THIS AREA, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. 
          SO, UM, ONCE WE HAVE THAT KIND OF INTERNAL UNDERSTANDING AND, AND OUR INTERNAL DATA COLLECTION, THEN WE WANNA BE ABLE TO COME OUT AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE RESIDENTS, WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH TOURISTS THAT HAPPEN TO BE ON THE STREET. 
          WE, WE PLAN ON HAVING A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL, UM, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PIECE AS IT RELATES TO THIS. 
          'CAUSE WE KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE CARE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THESE AREAS. 
          AND SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HEAR FROM ALL ASPECTS OF INDIVIDUALS ON HOW THE PLACES ARE WORKING, WHERE PLACES AREN'T WORKING, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE. 
          THERE ARE BUSINESS PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THESE THINGS LONG BEFORE I SHOWED UP, UM, WITH IDEAS OF, OF HOW WE COULD GET MORE PEOPLE IN THEIR DOORS. 
          SO ABSOLUTELY, THERE'LL BE A LOT, A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHARLES, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UH, ACTUALLY IT'S NOT A QUESTION, IT'S MORE OF A COMMENT. 
          I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING SOME LATITUDE IN YOUR BUDGET TO DEAL WITH THINGS AS THEY COME UP IN SMALL. 
          I'M A BIG FAN OF BENCHES, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE WANT SOME BENCHES ALONG FOREST ROAD TO HELP THEIR CLIMB BACK UP TOWARDS THE PARKING GARAGE, LET'S PUT A FEW BENCHES THERE AND NOT MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF HOW WE, YOU KNOW, GET THE MONEY TO FUND IT. 
          SO, I, I, I, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE CONTINGENCY ASPECT OF IT AND, UM, AND I, I WOULD RATHER SEE IT, I THINK, IN THEIR BUDGET THAN IN A RESERVE THAT THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR, FOR THESE VERY SMALL ITEMS. I JUST THINK IT'S BELOW THE LEVEL WHERE I'M THINKING SURE. 
          THE KINDS OF EXPEND EXPENDITURES ARE BELOW THE LEVEL OF WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE, UM, BIG DISCUSSIONS ON. 
          IT'S JUST ME. 
          OKAY. 
          KATHY WANTS US EVERYTHING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. 
          YOU WANT NOTHING TO COME BACK TO? NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          LIKE PUBLIC INPUT. 
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WELL, THERE'S PUBLIC INPUT IN A CFA. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          IT'S ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          MULTIPLE PUBLIC INPUT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY, MELISSA? SO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BACK WHEN WE APPROVED THE GARAGE WAS NOT ONLY GETTING THE UPTOWN CFA DONE, AND, UM, SOME OF US APPARENTLY ARE REALLY FOCUSED ON HOW DO WE EXPAND OUT COMMERCIAL AND GET PEOPLE TO STAY. 
          BUT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT FURTHER INTO UPTOWN, LIKE, HOW DO WE MAKE IT SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK TO THE COMMERCIAL AREAS OR TO THE RESTAURANTS, OR JUST WALK AROUND THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME LANDS THAT ARE UP THERE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE BE THINKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THOSE TURN INTO GREEN SPACES WHERE PEOPLE WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO GO AND GET COOL AND, YOU KNOW, SORT OF HANG OUT THAT ISN'T FOCUSED ON THE TOURISTS. 
          IT'S FOCUSED ON MAKING THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA JUST MORE LIVABLE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          I'VE HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL AREAS AND THE LITTLE BIT OF RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT'S JUST ABOVE THE COMMERCIAL AREA, BUT NOT ABOUT UPTOWN AS A WHOLE, WHICH IS A SPACE WHERE PEOPLE LIVE, NOT JUST A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE SHOP. 
          SO ARE YOU GUYS THINKING ABOUT ANY OF THOSE THINGS AND HOW THOSE MIGHT PLAY? AND ALONG THOSE LINES, UM, I'M GONNA AGREE WITH CHARLOTTE HERE AND SAY, LOOK, I HEARD, I HEARD YOUR SOTO  SORT OF, EXCEPT DURING THE SUMMER MM-HMM . 
          UM, ABOUT GETTING FROM UPTOWN OVER TO AL. 
          WHAT ABOUT SOME SHADE STRUCTURES? WHAT ABOUT SOME BENCHES? WHAT ABOUT SOME TREES? YOU KNOW, ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE DOING TO MAKE IT EASY TO CONNECT INTO THOSE AREAS? UM, BECAUSE PEOPLE LIVE HERE DURING THE SUMMER, AND WE MIGHT LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT AND, AND WALK OVER TO AL WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, GETTING SUNBURNED OR WHATEVER. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THERE BE A WATER REFORESTATION, ALL THOSE LITTLE THINGS THAT JUST MAKE IT EASY THAT PEOPLE WILL NEVER THINK ABOUT, THEY'LL NEVER NOTICE, BUT WILL ABSOLUTELY USE. 
          SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT ANY OF THOSE AS WELL, AND HOW THAT PLAYS INTO YOUR DESIGNS AND HOW THAT PLAYS INTO WHAT DATA YOU'RE COLLECTING, UM, LET ALONE GETTING PUBLIC INPUT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S, AND, AND YES, BECAUSE PART OF THE, PART OF THE ASPECT OF THIS IS RECOGNIZING UPTOWN AND ALL THE WAY, YOU KNOW, DOWN TO ARABELLA, LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS AS AN AREA AS MUCH FOR THE VALUE OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, UM, AS IT IS FOR, FOR TOURISTS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT EASY AND CONVENIENT AND INTERESTING. 
          MOST THE AVERAGE AMERICAN WILL WALK ROUGHLY FOUR BLOCKS, UM, IN A DESTINATION, UM, BEFORE THEY DECIDE THEY NEED TO BE DRIVING. 
          UM, NOW THAT'S FOUR BLOCKS IN PHOENIX, FOUR BLOCKS IN BUFFALO, NEW YORK. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S WHAT IT, BUT THE WAY TO EXPAND IT IS THAT IT HAS TO BE CONVENIENT, INTERESTING. 
          YOU KNOW, COOL. 
          AND, AND THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT MAKE YOU FORGET THAT YOU'RE GOING PAST FOUR BLOCKS, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY KIND OF SOMETHING THAT'S INTERESTING TO CONTINUE TO GO ON. 
          AND SO THE, YES, WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT THOSE LITTLE THINGS THAT MAKE IT INTERESTING FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE UTILIZING THE SPACE, WHETHER IT'S TOURISTS OR RESIDENTS, BUT BACK TO RESIDENTS. 
          UM, HOW DO WE CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO WALK INTO THIS AREA, YOU KNOW, FEELING SAFE TO DO SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING IT CONVENIENT AND ACCESSIBLE AND, AND COOLER, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SHADE, ET CETERA. 
          THAT ALL PLAYS INTO THAT. 
          SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT FROM AN URBAN DESIGN ASPECT. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT, MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IF YOU INSTALL A WATER FOUNTAIN OR IF YOU ADD SHADE STRUCTURES, WHAT THOSE LITTLE TINY THINGS DO, BUT WHEN YOU ADD THEM UP, THEN PEOPLE WILL GO FURTHER WITHOUT EVEN REALIZING THEY'VE DONE IT. 
          SO IT'S, SO YEAH, WE LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE ASPECTS FROM THE URBAN DESIGN PERSPECTIVE TO SEE HOW IT CAN BE A MORE ENGAGING SPACE, UM, TO KEEP PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO WALK FARTHER, TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO LINGER IN A SPACE EXCEPT AS, AS OPPOSED TO WANTING TO JUST, YOU KNOW, GET OFF INTO, UH, UM, BACK INTO THEIR CAR AND THEIR AIR CONDITIONING. 
          SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT ALL ASPECTS OF THAT. 
          TONY, CAN I SUGGEST THAT WHEN YOU DO THE UPTOWN CFA MM-HMM . 
          PLEASE, WHEN YOU DO PUBLIC INPUT, DON'T SEPARATE BUSINESSES FROM THE RESIDENTS. 
          I THINK BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS NEED TO COME TOGETHER IN HARMONY ON THE PLAN, AND EACH, EACH GROUP 
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NEEDS TO HEAR THE NEEDS AND DESIRES OF THE OTHER. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE WOULD DO IT IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, WHERE WE'RE DOING THE ONE-ON-ONE OR SMALL GROUP INTERVIEWS, WE TEND TO DO THOSE WITH, WITH GROUPS. 
          LIKE, WE MAY TAKE A CORE BUSINESS GROUP, BUT WHEN WE WANT TO DO THE, THE MORE ENGAGING SPACES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE WANT, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE, LET'S JUST DO A BUSINESS MEETING. 
          NO. 
          WE WANT TO GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER SO WE CAN CROSSPOLLINATE LIKE THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHERE GREAT IDEAS COME FROM, YOU KNOW, NOT FROM THE GUY THAT'S STANDING BEHIND THE PODIUM TODAY. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UH, BRIAN, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          JUST WANNA CLARIFY, IS THERE A COUNCIL SUPPORT TO PROVIDE DIRECTION TO GO AHEAD AND FUND THE DATA COLLECTION AND GET THAT GOING NOW RATHER THAN WAITING TILL JULY ONE? YES. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, TONY, WE HAD A PRESENTATION ON THE NUMBER SEVEN, EIGHT NUMBER SEVEN EIGHT PRE-APPROVED THE PRE-APPROVED HOUSING PLANS. 
          TONY, THE PRE-APPROVED THE DECISION PACKAGE FROM LAST WEEK. 
          SURE. 
          AND THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT STEVE COULDN'T ANSWER. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT MAYBE YOU CAN YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          NOW, DO PEOPLE REMEMBER WHAT THEIR QUESTIONS WERE? OKAY. 
          WHY DON'T YOU WALK US THROUGH IT AND THEN WE'LL JOG PEOPLE'S MEMORY. 
          YEAH. 
          BE HAPPY TO. 
          SO, AS WE KNOW, SB 1592 OR 1529, UM, REQUIRES US TO DO PRE-APPROVED HOUSING PLANS. 
          WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED TO DO WITH THE PRE-APPROVED HOUSING PLAN PROGRAM IS, UM, IS, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN DO IT. 
          OPTION A IS WHERE WE ACQUIRE THE SERVICES OF AN ARCHITECT AND PAY THEM TO DO A SET OF PLANS. 
          UM, BY JUNE, ONE WOULD BE, UM, CERTAIN LEVELS OF ADUS. 
          WE HAVE TO DO THREE SETS OF, OF ADUS. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO DO THREE SETS OF, UM, DIFFERENT SIZES OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          AND EACH ONE OF THOSE HAS TO HAVE THREE DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS. 
          SO THAT'S OPTION A. 
          UM, ALONG WITH THAT, THEN IN JANUARY, IF YOU FOLLOW OPTION A PATH, WE HAVE TO ALSO DO THE SAME THING FOR DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES WITH THE SAME LEVELS OF DETAIL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OPTION B IN, IN THE, UH, LEGISLATION ALLOWS FOR CREATION OF A HOUSING PROGRAM WHERE ESSENTIALLY, RATHER THAN HIRING A SINGLE ARCHITECT, UM, TO PROVIDE THESE FOR US SO THAT IT'S A VERY LIMITED CATALOG, UM, YOU CAN CREATE A PROGRAM THAT ALLOWS ANY DESIGNER TO SUBMIT PLANS, AND THOSE PLANS CAN BE REVIEWED, UM, AND THEN PUT INTO A LIBRARY SO THAT WAY IT DOESN'T HAVE TO ALL FALL INTO PLACE BY JULY OR BY JULY ONE I THINK IT IS. 
          UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO ALL FALL INTO PLACE BY JULY ONE, BUT YOU HAVE THE PROGRAM THAT WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO IMMEDIATELY START TO SUBMIT. 
          AND THAT'S THE COURSE WE HAVE TAKEN, UM, IS TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD IN CREATION OF A HOUSING PLAN LIBRARY. 
          UM, AND I HAVE SOME EXAMPLE MOCKUPS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHOW YOU. 
          UM, WE HAVE CORRESPONDED WITH OUR PEER COMMUNITIES IN THE VERDE VALLEY, UM, TO MAKE THIS NOT JUST A SEDONA CENTRIC LIBRARY, BUT A VERDE VALLEY, UM, WIDE LIBRARY WHERE EACH OF THE COMMUNITIES WOULD COME TOGETHER AND WE SHARE THE SAME LIBRARY. 
          UM, A COUPLE ASPECTS OF DOING IT THIS WAY IS WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE THOSE SAME CATEGORIES. 
          SO WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE CATEGORIES, UM, THREE CATEGORIES FOR ADUS, THREE CATEGORIES FOR SINGLE FAMILY, THREE CATEGORIES FOR DUPLEX, THREE CATEGORIES FOR TRIPLEX. 
          UM, BUT THEN PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND JUST SUBMIT, WE'LL REVIEW THEM. 
          AND IF IT MEETS ALL OF THE CORE CRITERIA, UM, OF THE DIFFERENT VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITIES, IT'S DROPPED INTO THE LIBRARY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THAT'S HOW THE LIBRARY BUILDS OVER TIME. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS TO THE LIBRARY, AND THUS THE DECISION PACKAGE WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, TWO THINGS WHEN WE HOST THE LIBRARY AND JUST PUT IT OUT THERE, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO SUBMIT TO THAT LIBRARY. 
          UM, NOR DO WE KNOW THE CALIBER AND QUALITY OF THE TYPES OF, OF, UM, PLANS WE'RE GOING TO GET AS A COMMUNITY. 
          WE HAVE A CERTAIN STANDARD THAT WE LIKE TO HOLD OURSELVES TO, AND THERE'S NO REASON THAT WE SHOULD DEVALUE THAT STANDARD SIMPLY BECAUSE STATE LAW SAYS WE HAVE TO DO A THING. 
          WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WE WANT IT TO BE HIGH QUALITY, AND WE WANT IT TO HAVE A LOOK AND FEEL. 
          SO IN THAT REGARDS, IN ADDITION TO 
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MEETING THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF STATE LAW, WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED TO DO IS HOST A SERIES OF FOUR DESIGN COMPETITIONS. 
          AND THE IDEA BEHIND THE DESIGN COMPETITIONS IS THAT WE WOULD GET THE WORD OUT FOR NATIONALLY ACCREDITED ARCHITECTURE FIRMS TO, UM, TO COMPETE, TO SUBMIT TO US DIFFERENT DESIGNS AT EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT LEVELS. 
          AND SO BY DOING SO, IT PRIMES THE PUMP, IF YOU WILL, TO GET GOOD QUALITY PLANS, UM, IN, IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE OTHER PEOPLE FROM, FROM SUBMITTING AS PART OF THE LIBRARY, BUT IT GETS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET, UM, HIGH QUALITY PLANS INTO OUR LIBRARY FAIRLY QUICKLY. 
          THE INTENTION WAS THAT WE WOULD DO THE SINGLE FAMILY AND THE ADUS WITHIN FISCAL YEAR 26. 
          AND WE STILL WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          UM, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET IT DONE AS QUICKLY BECAUSE WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH OUR VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITIES. 
          SO THE IDEA IS WE HAVE $90,000 THAT WE WOULD, THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS THE ADUS AND THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          WHAT THE DECISION PACKAGE DOES IS IT ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE THAT WITH AN ADDITIONAL $100,000 TO GO INTO DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES. 
          AND SO IT WOULD BE FOUR SETS OF DESIGN COMPETITIONS DESIGNED TO BRING HIGH QUALITY PRODUCT INTO THE LIBRARY, UM, IN ADDITION TO YOUR REGULAR OPPORTUNITIES TO SUBMIT. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE WAY THE PROGRAM IS INTENDED TO WORK BY DESIGN, IT'S, IT'S, NONE OF THE PLANS ARE GOING TO BE FREE PER SE, BUT THE WAY THE PROGRAM IS SET UP, IT'S A LIMITED COST THAT THEY WOULD PAY THE ARCHITECT, WHICH WOULD BE IN THE BALLPARK OF ABOUT 10% OF WHAT THEY WOULD NORMALLY PAY AN ARCHITECT FOR DESIGN FEES. 
          UM, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR SOME SITE PLANNING, UM, BECAUSE THOSE ARE OTHER COSTS THEY'D HAVE TO UNDERTAKE ANYWAY. 
          WE WOULD PROPOSE TO THAT. 
          WE WOULD SUGGEST, UM, TO COUNSEL THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO WAIVE THE FEES THAT COME IN FROM OUR SIDE TOO. 
          AND THAT ALSO KEEPS THE COST DOWN. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE THINGS THAT WE CAN TO BOTH MAKE IT AFFORDABLE, BUT MAKE IT HIGH QUALITY, UM, AND MAKE IT INVITING FOR OTHER, OTHER GROUPS TO PARTICIPATE. 
          SO THAT'S THE IDEA BEHIND IT. 
          AND WHAT FEES ARE YOU SUGGESTING WOULD BE WAIVED? SO THE NORMAL PERMIT FEES THAT WOULD COME IN, SO AN INDIVIDUAL, THE WAY IT WOULD WORK WOULD BE, AND, AND THE LIBRARY'S AVAILABLE TO, YOU KNOW, NORMAL HOUSEHOLDS THAT WANT TO SHOP FOR, FOR A PRE-APPROVED PLAN. 
          UM, BUT IT CAN ALSO BE USED BY BUILDERS. 
          IT CAN ALSO BE USED BY DEVELOPERS THAT WANT TO COME IN AND, AND, UM, AND TO DO MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          SO IT'S, UH, IT WA IT WOULD WAIVE THE PERMIT FEES ASSOCIATED WITH COMING IN AND APPLYING FOR THE BUILDING PERMITS. 
          SO THEY WOULD COME IN, GET THE PLANS THAT THEY CHOOSE, THEY WOULD WORK WITH THAT ARCHITECTURE FIRM TO GET THE SITE PLANS DONE TO SUBMIT, AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TURN 'EM AROUND VERY QUICKLY SO THEY GET THE BENEFIT OF QUICKER TURNAROUND AND A REDUCED COST. 
          TRUMP, I, I THINK IT'S VERY INTERESTING AND I'LL THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THAT, WHAT THE COST MIGHT BE TO THE CONSUMER OF IT, BECAUSE I WAS, I WAS THINKING AT THE BEGINNING THAT THE CITY WOULD OWN THE PLANS AND THEY WOULD BE FREE TO THE, TO THE USERS, BUT THEY DISABUSED US OF THAT LAST TIME STEVE DID. 
          UM, SO THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS, ASIDE FROM COMPLYING WITH THE LAW  SURE. 
          UH, IS TO EXPEDITE THE, UM, THE BUILDING OF THESE KINDS OF UNITS TO EXPEDITE BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A NEED. 
          SURE. 
          SO, UM, BY HAVING THE, THE PLANS ALREADY THERE, AND BY WAIVING THE, THE PERMITTING BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY PRE PERMITTED, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IT DOES IN TERMS OF SHORTENING THE OVERALL, UM, BUILD PERIOD? SO IT'S GOING, WHAT IT, WHAT IT DOES IS IT SHORTENS THE PERMIT TIME, WELL, ESSENTIALLY THE PERMIT MORE THAN ANYTHING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF, BUT THAT AS PART OF THE OVERALL TIMELINE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO INSTEAD OF POTENTIAL WEEKS TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS, WELL, IT DOES TWO THINGS FOR YOU. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          ONE, IT'S GONNA SHORTEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU GO THROUGH BEFORE YOU SUBMIT TO US, BECAUSE THIS IS A PLAN THAT'S PREPACKAGED, SO IT'S ALREADY READY TO GO. 
          SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK WITH THE ARCHITECT TO DESIGN A SPECIFIC WAY, ET CETERA. 
          YOU JUST SAY, THIS IS MY PROPERTY, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN I WANT. 
          UM, AND AS LONG AS THEY FOLLOW THAT, THEN IT'S A SUPER EASY PROCESS FROM THAT STANDPOINT. 
          AND IT'S EASY FOR US BECAUSE THE ARCHITECTS HAS ALREADY SUBMITTED THE PLANS TO US. 
          WE HAVE ALREADY REVIEWED THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS, ET CETERA. 
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SO THE ONLY THING LEFT FOR US IS TO REVIEW THE SITE PLAN, HOW THAT BUILDING SITS ON THE SITE. 
          UM, SO IT CUTS DOWN THE AMOUNT OF TIME TO THE POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND A PERMIT WITHIN LITERAL DAYS AS OPPOSED TO THE TIME IT WOULD TAKE TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING REVIEW, THE BUILDING PLAN, REVIEW PROCESS AS, AS WELL AS THE PLAN REVIEW AND THE PUBLIC WORK SITE OF LOOKING AT THE ASPECT, ET CETERA. 
          IT, IT NARROWS THAT DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY. 
          SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, AND FROM THAT PRE, UM, PRE UH, APPLICATION PERSPECTIVE, IT NARROWS BOTH OF THOSE WINDOWS SUBSTANTIALLY. 
          THE REST OF THE PROCESS TAKES ITS NORMAL CONSTRUCTION COURSE. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, MIGHT, MIGHT IT SHORTEN IT BY, I'M TALKING ABOUT FROM CONCEPTION TO, YOU KNOW, TO HERE'S YOUR KEY. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, BY A THIRD, BY A FOURTH, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE CLOSER TO BETWEEN 20 TO 25% ON, ON THE, THAT'S SIGNIFICANT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S, IT'S THE COST SAVING PART. 
          IT'S THE TIME SAVING PART THERE. 
          UM, THE REAL WINNER IS, IS THE AMOUNT THAT THE INDIVIDUAL HAS TO PAY TO GET TO THE POINT OF CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, A SET OF SITE PLANS IN SEDONA CAN, CAN COST AT THE END OF THE DAY, $75,000. 
          AND IT'S, IT CAN BE AN INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE PROCESS. 
          SO IF WE'RE DOING THAT SAME THING, BUT YOU'RE, INSTEAD YOU'RE PAYING $6,000, UM, TO GET THE SAME SITE PLAN, THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S FANTASTIC. 
          NOW, THE ONLY, THE DOWNSIDE TO THIS IS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE A PROPERTY OWNER WOULD HAVE IS THEY COULD CHOOSE IT THE WAY THEY, THAT IT'S PRESENTED TO THEM. 
          OR YOU COULD LITERALLY FLIP IT BECAUSE IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING, JUST UPSIDE DOWN, UM, OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND. 
          UM, AND THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          IF I MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO THE PLANS THEN, AND I WANT TO CUSTOMIZE THE PLANS, THEN YOU'RE BACK TO NEEDING PLAN REVIEW. 
          UM, SO WE, BUT WE PUT THAT INFORMATION UP FRONT SO PEOPLE ARE AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PREPACKAGED THING. 
          IF YOU MAKE MODIFICATIONS, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN, UH, JUST FOR SAFETY PURPOSES. 
          BUT, BUT NOT MIRRORING, NO MIRRORING IS AN EASY FLIP. 
          YOU'RE JUST TURNING IT OVER ON THE SITE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          NO SUBSTITUTIONS. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          NO SUBSTITUTIONS TO THIS MENU. 
          YES, BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          TONY, CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT LAND ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS, UH, ALLOW FOR DUPLEX AND TRIPLEX CURRENTLY? UM, OKAY. 
          I'M GONNA BE VERY HONEST. 
          I'M DRAWING A COMPLETE BLANK ON THAT, SO I'LL HAVE TO, HOW ABOUT COUNSELOR HOSNI? I BET SHE KNOWS . 
          I'M DRAWING A COMPLETE BLANK ON THAT. 
          SORRY. 
          BUT I CAN HAVE THE ANSWER WHEN WE COME, WHEN I CAN HAVE THE ANSWER ONCE I GET YOU A CHANCE TO JUST LOOK BACK AT IT AND RESPOND TO IT. 
          BECAUSE THE MAIN REASON I'M ASKING IS, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO SPEND MONEY ON THIS, BUT DO WE NEED TO BE MAKING SOME LC CHANGES TO ACTUALLY MAKE THIS PRACTICAL FOR IMPLEMENTATION? SO YES, THE ANSWER IS GONNA BE ABSOLUTELY YES. 
          AND, UM, AND, AND THANK YOU, BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THE, THE COST PIECE TOO. 
          AND, AND THERE'S ONE ASPECT I FORGOT TO, TO MENTION TOO. 
          YOU KNOW, WHY ARE WE PAYING OUT MONEY FOR ARCHITECTS TO DO, TO DO THESE PLANS AND, UM, PARTICULARLY IF THEY'RE GONNA END UP STILL CHARGING SOMEBODY A FEE. 
          SO THE REASON THAT WE DO THAT, AND THE REASON THAT THERE ARE FUNDS FOR AWARD WINNERS IS BECAUSE THOSE HIGHER LEVEL OF ARCHITECTURE FIRMS THAT WE'RE TALKING TO, THOSE WOULD BE A MUCH MORE COSTLY SET OF PLANS TRADITIONALLY. 
          SO THIS ESSENTIALLY BUYS DOWN THAT GAP. 
          SO YOU'RE GETTING THAT SAME QUALITY OF PLAN THAT YOU WOULD GET FROM A DESIGNER OR A DRAFTSMAN THAT'S NOT STAMPED AS AN ARCHITECT, BUT YOU'RE GETTING IT AT THAT SAME COST. 
          SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR WHEN WE ASKED FOR, YOU KNOW, THE 90,000 THAT, THAT WE'RE USING FOR THE ADUS AND THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN THE DECISION PACKAGE. 
          THAT'S WHERE THOSE MONIES ARE GOING. 
          SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO CLARIFY WHAT THE MONEY WOULD ACTUALLY GO TO. 
          SO IF, IF THE, YOU OPEN THE LIBRARY TO ANYBODY, YOU DO A REVIEW, AND IF IT PASSES CERTAIN TEST MM-HMM . 
          GOES INTO THE LIBRARY. 
          YES. 
          SO WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY CHOOSES, NOT AN AWARD WINNERS PLAN, BUT ANOTHER PLAN THAT'S IN THE LIBRARY? WHAT MM-HMM . 
          DO THEY HAVE, DO THEY GET THEIR PERMIT FEES WAIVED? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          ONCE YOU'RE IN THE LIBRARY, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'VE APPROVED, WE'VE REVIEWED IT. 
          AND THE NICE THING ABOUT THIS TOO IS IF WE'RE STILL WAITING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE, UM, BUT IF IT DOES, THEN IT'S ALREADY REVIEWED BY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          SO TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WORKS. 
          SO THAT SAME PLAN IS, IS GOOD IN COTTONWOOD, IT'S GOOD HERE, IT'D BE GOOD IN CAMP 30. 
          UM, SO 
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IT WOULD THAT SAME PROCESS. 
          NOW IT'S UP TO THEM IF THEY WANNA WAIVE THEIR FEES, ET CETERA. 
          BUT FOR US, WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO WAIVE THE FEES FOR ANYBODY IN THE LIBRARY. 
          OKAY. 
          DEREK, COULD THERE BE ANY PRE-APPROVED VARIATIONS FROM THE BASE DESIGN THAT WOULD NOT TRIGGER A REVIEW? I THINK THERE COULD. 
          WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS LET'S, LET'S GET THE BALL ROLLING FIRST AND SEE WHAT, BECAUSE I THINK INEVITABLY WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT REQUEST. 
          RIGHT NOW, THE STATE HAS SAID WE WANT THREE VERSIONS OF EACH ONE OF THESE PLANS, WHICH TO US IS ENOUGH TO CHEW ON TO START WITH. 
          UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S AN OUTSTANDING IDEA, IS TO HAVE KIND OF A SUITE OF THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY PRE-APPROVED THAT YOU COULD MAKE THOSE MINOR MODIFICATIONS AND YOU'D STILL BE OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THAT. 
          'CAUSE NOBODY'S GONNA LOOK AT IT AND SAY, THAT'S PERFECT THERE. 
          YOU WANT MOVE THINGS HERE AND THERE. 
          SO IF THERE'S A, UH, A LA CARTE MENU SURE. 
          EVENTUALLY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYBE WE MAKE IT MORE USABLE FOR SOME PEOPLE. 
          I BUILT A HOUSE ONCE, I'LL NEVER DO IT AGAIN, BUT, UH, THE PLANS THEY PUT IN FRONT OF US, OF COURSE, WE HAD LOTS OF CHANGES TOO, SO. 
          SURE. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM PETE? MM-HMM. 
          OKAY. 
          NOPE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON? THANK YOU, TONY. 
          CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, I SAW THAT MINI STREET SWEEPER COME UP THERE. 
          YOU WANNA GO BACK TO THAT ONE? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BASED ON SOME COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY, I'D LIKE TO ASK ANDY AND KURT A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. 
          IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE PRE-APPROVED HOUSING PLAN, I THINK, BARB, HERE WE GO. 
          SO, QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT THIS SWEEPER, WHETHER OR NOT WE, INSTEAD OF A DIESEL SWEEPER, WE COULD USE AN ELECTRIC SWEEPER. 
          AND APPARENTLY THE COMPANY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HAS AN ELECTRIC VERSION. 
          HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT? GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT WAS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION. 
          WHEN THIS DECISION PACKAGE WAS PUT TOGETHER, THERE WAS RESEARCH DONE ON WHAT DIFFERENT MODELS WE COULD POTENTIALLY ACQUIRE, UM, AND VARIOUS OPTIONS. 
          BUT JUST LIKE WITH OTHER EQUIPMENT, WHEN WE DO THAT RESEARCH, WHILE WE, WE DIDN'T TAKE THE TIME TO EXPLAIN THIS IN OUR PACKAGE, UM, AN ELECTRIC OPTION WAS IN FACT CONSIDERED AND REJECTED. 
          UM, IT WAS LOOKED AT, UH, A NUMBER, UM, WAS PROVIDED THROUGH, UM, REQUEST FROM A, UH, NOT A MAN FROM THE, UM, WHATEVER THE NAME OF THAT COMPANY WAS, THE DEALERSHIP BASICALLY, THAT WE WOULD BE WORKING FROM, UH, THROUGH. 
          SO WE DID GET AN ACTUAL QUOTE FOR AN ELECTRIC VERSION. 
          UM, AGAIN, THIS INFORMATION WAS NOT IN THE PACKAGE, BUT IT WAS PART OF THE EVALUATION. 
          UM, APPARENTLY THE INFORMATION THAT COUNSEL RE RECEIVED FROM THIS INDIVIDUAL INQUIRING MADE A PRO AN ESTIMATE ON WHAT THE ADDITIONAL COST WOULD BE. 
          THAT WAS WELL UNDERSTATED. 
          WE, THE ACTUAL QUOTE THAT WE HAD ACQUIRED WAS, UH, ALMOST DOUBLE WHAT THAT ESTIMATED ADDITIONAL COST WAS. 
          UM, ALSO, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND KURT JUMP IN, IF I MISSTATE ANYTHING, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UM, THESE MODELS ARE STILL IN EARLY, EARLY PRODUCTION, AND, UH, THERE'S A BIT OF CONCERN AROUND, ARE WE GETTING EFFICIENT VALUE HERE? UM, YOU KNOW, WILL, WILL THERE BE AN ADEQUATE PAYOFF DUE TO, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR ELECTRIC, UH, EQUIPMENT INCLUDE REDUCED MAINTENANCE, REDUCED, UM, FUELING, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THE INFREQUENT USE OF THIS EQUIPMENT, IT DOESN'T, UM, DRIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COST SAVINGS THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO OFFSET THAT ADDITIONAL COST. 
          SO IN, IN GENERAL, OUR STAFF FOUND THAT IT WAS, UH, A LITTLE TOO EARLY ON THIS EXACT EQUIPMENT TO GO TO THAT EXTENT. 
          UH, AS FAR AS SWITCHING FROM DIESEL TO ELECTRIC, ANYTHING TO ADD? YEAH, JUST TO ADD THAT ANYTIME WE PURCHASE EQUIPMENT, WE REACH OUT TO SUSTAINABILITY AND GET THEIR INPUT, AND WE LOOK TOGETHER, WE LOOK INDEPENDENTLY 
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FOR EQUIPMENT, AND THEN WE DERIVE WHAT'S THE BEST VALUE. 
          SO SUSTAINABILITY MAY HELPED US MAKE THIS DECISION ON THE WAY. 
          SO IT WASN'T JUST COST, IT WAS USE, IT WAS THE INFREQUENT USE AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DRIVING THIS TO THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING UNDER AND POTENTIALLY HERE AT CITY HALL TO GO IN THE BASEMENT. 
          SO A LOT OF FACTORS CAME IN HERE, AND I APOLOGIZE IF IT WASN'T IN THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONCISE AND SHORT. 
          BUT YES, WE INDEED LOOK AT ALWAYS ELECTRIC OR ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, DEREK, THIS, THE MODEL YOU'RE ASKING US TO APPROVE IS DIESEL, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          IS THERE A REGULAR GASOLINE POWERED ONE? I MEAN, I PICTURE DIESEL SPEWING FUMES AND BEING NOISY. 
          I, I KNOW WE LOOKED AT, YES, ALL OF 'EM. 
          I DON'T KNOW ABOUT GAS, BUT THEY HAD A PROPANE OPTION AS WELL. 
          AND THE REASON IS, IF YOU'RE IN A CONFINED SPACE, YOU DON'T WANT THOSE EMISSIONS, RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN, DO WE KNOW WHAT KIND OF EMISSIONS THIS THING'S GONNA KICK OUT? I MEAN, NOT JUST FROM A OVERALL ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, BUT SOMEBODY DRIVING AROUND IN A GARAGE SPEWING DIESEL FUMES. 
          IT'S AN OPEN GARAGE. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS WE HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO, AND WHEN WE DO THE OPERATION, WE'RE DOING IT WHEN LOW VISITATION OR NO VISITATION EARLY IN THE MORNING. 
          LATE AT NIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT WAS CONSIDERED, BUT UM, MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE WERE MAKING SURE THE CAB, THE OPERATOR WAS IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, CLEAN HAS, UM, HVAC SYSTEM COM CLIMATE CONTROLLED. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          AND WOULD THE PROPANE VERSION THAT WOULD REQUIRE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE DON'T EXACTLY. 
          WE ALL PART OF THE, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A POWER CHARGER THERE, AND WE WEREN'T REALLY PERFORMED FOR THAT. 
          BUT THIS IS SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE WHEN THIS, UM, EQUIPMENT HAS ITS SERVICE LIFE, WE COULD LOOK BACK AT, UH, DOING ANOTHER ELECTRICAL OPTION ALTERNATIVE. 
          ANY IDEA WHAT THE LIFESPAN OF ONE OF THESE THINGS IS? WE WE'RE PREDICTING 10 YEARS. 
          10 YEARS, OKAY. 
          EIGHT TO 10 YEARS. 
          IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE VALUATION AT THAT TIME TO GET TO TURN IT IN FOR A NEWER ONE OR SOMETHING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MELISSA. 
          SO THIS IS DIFF SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT QUESTION, BUT, UM, IT HAS COME UP FROM RESIDENTS THAT SOME OF OUR SUVS ARE GETTING, UM, TAGGED. 
          AND YOU HAD MENTIONED ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD BE USED TO REMOVE SUCH TAGGING FROM THOSE SURFACES, BUT THEN I SEEM TO REMEMBER YOU SAYING YOU WEREN'T GONNA HAVE THAT ATTACHMENT, THAT THAT ATTACHMENT WOULD BE SEPARATE AND WOULDN'T BE INCLUDED IN THIS. 
          SO I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY WHETHER OR NOT I JUST MISHEARD THAT OR, YEAH, THAT WAS A ISH HERE. 
          THERE'S TONS OF OTHER ATTACHMENTS YOU CAN USE WITH THIS FOR LIKE SUCKING LEAVES. 
          UM, IT HAS, THAT CAPACITY HAS A WHOLE POWER WASHER WAND THAT YOU WERE DOING IT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL KNEW THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT ATTACHMENT RIGHT NOW, BUT AS WE BUY, IT WOULD BE A PERFECT USE TO GO AHEAD AND CLEAN UP CHALK OR GRAFFITI OR SPILLS. 
          SO WITHOUT THE POWER WASHING WAND, YOU COULD GO AND CLEAN THE STPS OF ANY GRAFFITI? OR DO YOU NEED THE POWER WASHING WOUND? NO, IT, MY POINT IS IT HAS A POWER WASHER WITHIN THE SCRUBBERS OF THE DRIVER. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS AN ATTACHMENT YOU COULD GET OUT OF THE VEHICLE AND USE FOR WASHING OTHER EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO IT WAS JUST AN OPTION, KATHY, I THINK I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY WHEN YOU SAID THAT THE INFREQUENT USE OF THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF EQUIPMENT MEANS THAT WE WOULDN'T REALIZE, REALIZE THE EMISSION SAVINGS. 
          BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS, SINCE IT'S USED INFREQUENTLY, ISN'T, DOESN'T THAT MAKE IT A GOOD PIECE OF EQUIPMENT FOR A TEST OF ELECTRIC COMPONENTS AS OPPOSED TO GOING WITH THE DIESEL? BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T DEPEND ON EVERY DAY. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT, SINCE THAT'S A NEW TEST AREA, I JUST WANT TO EXPLORE THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT COIN. 
          IT, IT, IT, THAT, THAT THOUGHT MAKES SENSE. 
          THE PROBLEM IS THE ADDITIONAL COST THAT WE WOULD BE UNDERTAKING JUST FOR A TEST. 
          UM, WE THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO EVALUATE THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE, OF THE EQUIPMENT TO THE POINT OF CAPTURING, UH, GOOD VALUE FROM THAT. 
          AND LIKELY, UH, MAKING A, A CHANGE IN THE EQUIPMENT BEFORE IT'S END OF LIFE WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE RECAPTURING A GOOD VALUE FROM IT. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, NOT WAITING TILL 12 YEARS, BUT MAYBE SOMEWHERE AROUND SEVEN OR SO. 
          UM, AND LOOKING AT ELECTRIC DIM, WE THINK THAT THE TECHNOLOGY WILL BE, UH, MORE WIDELY USED AND COMMON AT THAT POINT, AND LIKELY WE WOULD BE GETTING A BETTER VALUE FOR THE CITY'S INVESTMENT AT THAT POINT. 
          THAT'S, UH, 
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BRYCE, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ON DIESEL VERSUS GAS AND THEN ELECTRIC? GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO FROM, UM, AN EMISSION STANDPOINT, ELECTRIC IS THE, THE CLEANER OF THE OPTIONS. 
          UH, YOU'LL HAVE A, A SLIGHT CHANGE BETWEEN, UH, A GAS, UH, EMISSIONS VERSUS DIESEL EMISSIONS. 
          IT'S NOT A, A HUGE DIFFERENCE, UM, FROM A MISSION STANDPOINT, BUT THE CLEANEST OPTION IS ELECTRIC. 
          UH, AS ANDY AND KURT HAD MENTIONED THOUGH, UM, IN HEAVY DUTY EQUIPMENT, UH, ELECTRIC ELECTRIFICATION HASN'T BEEN AS WELL TESTED. 
          IT'S GETTING THERE, BUT IT'S NOT AS PREVALENT AS, UH, ELECTRIC VEHICLES OR, UH, HVAC ELECTRIFICATION AND THE LIKE. 
          IT'S, UH, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT SLOWER, UM, UPTAKE WITHIN THAT. 
          SO, UH, WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH DATA, UH, ON THE ELECTRIFICATION OF HEAVY DUTY EQUIPMENT. 
          AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE COSTS, UH, PERSPECTIVE IS, IS HAS CHANGED IN THE DYNAMICS OF IT. 
          'CAUSE ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE THE PARODIES GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER. 
          BUT WITH THE HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST TWO TIMES INCREASE, UH, FOR THEM. 
          AND AS WELL AS THE PARKING GARAGE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME SLIGHT CHANGES FOR HAVING THE SPOT WHERE THAT WOULD BE STORED AT TO BE, UM, HAVE THE ELECTRIFICATION AT THAT LOCATION AS WELL. 
          'CAUSE TRYING TO GET A MINI SWEEPER INTO LIKE AN ELECTRIFY AMERICA, UH, STATION CHARGER PROBABLY RATHER DIFFICULT, UH, WITHIN THOSE COMPONENTS. 
          SO WE VIEWED IT AS WE'D OBVIOUSLY LIKE TO GO WITH A, A FULL, UH, ELECTRIC VERSION FROM EMISSION STANDPOINT, BUT THEN BALANCING THE ASPECTS OF JUST NOT AS WELL TESTED AS, UH, ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND THE MUCH GREATER UPFRONT COST, UM, FOR IT THAN WE, THE KIND OF SLOW AND STEADY APPROACH ON THE HEAVY DUTY SIDE OF THINGS. 
          THEN WE KIND OF DEFERRED TO, UH, PUBLIC WORKS' PERSPECTIVE ON THAT. 
          SO, SO IF ELECTRIC WOULD PUSH, PUT THAT TO THE SIDE, YOU DON'T HAVE, UM, A, A STRONG OPINION OF DIESEL VERSUS GAS. 
          UH, DIESEL AND GAS EMISSIONS ARE REALLY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. 
          UM, THE ASPECT ON WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS PROPANE, WE'D HAVE SIMILAR ISSUES IN JUST PROPANE SERVICING AND WHERE WE'RE GETTING MORE OF THAT ASPECT VERSUS MORE READILY AVAILABLE COMPONENT. 
          BUT ON EMISSION SIDE, WE'D WANT TO JUST GET RID OF DIESEL AND GAS COMPONENTS. 
          THERE'S A VERY SMALL GAP BETWEEN THE EMISSIONS OFF OF A DIESEL VERSUS GAS VEHICLES. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRYCE? NO, FOR ANDY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BRYCE. 
          KATHY, UH, FOR KURT AND ANDY, UM, IF THIS WERE NOT APPROVED, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR OPTION? WHAT WOULD YOU USE IN PLACE OF THIS? MM. 
          UM, IT WAS IN THE DECISION PACKAGE. 
          WE'D BE POWER WASHING THE PARKING GARAGE AND WE, BUT FOR THE SUVS? WELL, THE SUVS, YEAH. 
          THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO MO UH, MOBILIZE A POWER WASHER WE HAVE BEHIND OUR GATOR MACHINE AND SO ON. 
          IT WOULD TAKE A LOT MORE EFFORT AND TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          LET ME JUST JUMP IN ON THAT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE DIFFICULT, UH, THINGS TO CONSIDER WITH THAT OPTION IS WHEN YOU POWER WASH, WE DON'T HAVE A EASY METHOD OF RECAPTURING THAT NOW DIRTY WATER. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEREAS THESE SWEEPERS, THAT'S WHAT'S BUILT INTO IT, IS THAT IT, IT HAS A, UM, A VAC COMPONENT TO IT THAT SUCKS UP THAT WATER. 
          AND, AND THEN WHERE DO YOU DISCHARGE THAT DIRTY WATER? WHERE DO THEY TYPICALLY WE, WE WOULD BRING IT BACK TO OUR CONTRACTOR'S ROAD AND WITH THE DUST AND THE PARTICLES WOULD BE DUMPED INTO OUR ROLL OFF BIN. 
          AND THE WATER IS THE SINGLE WE HAVE, WE HAVE A, A BASIN BUILT AT CONTRACTORS ROAD WHERE WE CAN WASH VEHICLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND CAPTURE FLOW. 
          IT'S, IT'S THE SAME OPERATION WE HAVE FOR OUR STREET SWEEPERS. 
          THIS IS JUST A MINI STREET SWEEPER, SO WE EXPECT THE OPERATORS TO BE THE SAME AND, AND SO ON. 
          SO IT'S A SIMILAR OPERATION. 
          AND REMEMBER, USING A VACUUM IS NOT GONNA BE SO DESTRUCTIVE AS A POWER WASHING. 
          UM, WE STILL WOULD, WOULD LOOK AT DOING THAT. 
          THE STAIRWAY, WHEREVER BAD SPILLS WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO GET, COME BACK AND POWER WASHING. 
          SO THIS IS A BETTER OPTION FOR KEEPING DEBRIS OUT OF, UM, DRAINAGE. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND SO WE'RE DOING THAT NOW UNDER THE POLICE PARKING GARAGE. 
          AND IT'S A VERY PROBLEMATIC, LANCE TALKED TO IT ON THE BUDGET WORK GROUP AND SO ON. 
          SO THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE VACUUMING. 
          IT'S MUCH MORE CLEANER, IT'S SAFER. 
          UM, THE USER DOESN'T HAVE TO BREATHE ALL THAT WHILE YOU'RE POWER WASHING. 
          SO WE FEEL THIS IS THE BEST OPTION FOR THE CITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH THIS TOPIC. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          I KNOW THERE WERE ALSO SOME QUESTIONS ON THE BIKE PED COORDINATOR. 
          DID YOU WANNA LOOK AT THAT NEXT OR? 
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SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO , DO YOU WANT ME TO ASK CLARIFY? YEAH, RIGHT. 
          PLEASE DO. 
          SO, UM, THE, THE QUESTION WAS, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE, A TRAIL COORDINATOR SLASH PARKING MANAGER THAT GOES TOGETHER THAT WAS APPROVED LAST BUDGET TO TRY AND GET US THINKING ABOUT THE URBAN TRAILS, RIGHT? UM, NOW WE HAVE SOMEONE IN A POSITION FOR ALL OF THE URBAN TRAILS, WHICH IS BIKE PAD. 
          IT'S THE URBAN TRAILS. 
          AND, UM, THAT FEELS LIKE THAT'S A DUPLICATION OF EFFORT AND WE REALLY DON'T NEED THAT KIND OF REDUNDANCY. 
          SO IF WE'RE SAYING THAT WITH A PARKING MANAGER IS FULL-TIME, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WENT FROM, THAT'S REALLY ONLY A PART-TIME POSITION. 
          AND THEN THIS OTHER SET OF DUTIES WILL BE PICKED UP TO NOW SUDDENLY IT'S A FULL-TIME POSITION, ESPECIALLY WHEN WITH THE WORKING GROUP, THE PARKING WING GROUP, ONCE WE GET THE FEES UNDERSTOOD AND SORT OF ROLLED OUT, THEN IT'S JUST A SORT OF A MONITORING KIND OF THING TO SEE IF WE'VE GOT IT RIGHT OR IF WE NEED TO ADJUST IT RATHER THAN WHAT FEELS LIKE A FULL-TIME POSITION. 
          SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE SUDDENLY NEED THIS FULL-TIME POSITION WHEN WE THOUGHT BEFORE WE DIDN'T NEED IT, AND THEN WHAT THAT PARKING PERSON IS GOING TO DO ONCE WE SORT OF HAVE PARKING. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A A GOOD POINT THAT WHEN WE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THE PARKING MANAGER POSITION, WE DID INCLUDE A PORTION OF THAT, UH, THE DUTIES FOR THAT POSITION TO BE, UH, MULTIMODAL COORDINATING IF YOU'LL, AND AS WE'VE IMPLEMENTED THAT POSITION AND OBSERVED, UM, HOW THEY'RE INCORPORATED INTO THE OPERATIONAL SIDE OF THINGS AND JUST, YOU KNOW, REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE OF THAT POSITION, UM, THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN MAYBE WHAT ALL OF US ANTICIPATED IN THE BEGINNING. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER CONSIDERATION IS THAT AS WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THE WORK GROUP, THERE ARE THINGS LIKE EMPLOYEE PARKING THAT WE DIDN'T EXPECT THE CITY TO BE MUCH INVOLVED IN. 
          THAT WAS THE DIRECTION TO STAFF. 
          AS, AS THE PROGRAM HAS EVOLVED, THERE IS MORE SCOPE TO THE, TO THE POSITION. 
          AND IT'S NOT JUST ON THE IMPLEMENTATION END. 
          YES, THERE'S A HEAVY LOAD THAT'S TAKING THE WORK GROUP MYSELF, SEVERAL OTHER STAFF, AND THEIR TIME TO DEVELOP THIS PROGRAM. 
          AND EVEN THAT IS MORE THAN I THINK, THINK WHAT MOST OF US ANTICIPATED. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY AS WE TRANSITION FROM DEVELOPING AND IMPLEMENTING THIS PROGRAM TO, TO THE OPERATIONAL SIDE, THERE WILL BE A LOT, A LOT MORE INVOLVED IN WHAT THAT POSITION NEEDS TO OVERSEE THEN, UM, JUST A PART-TIME, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO OPERATE PARKING AND OVERSEE MULTIMODAL, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE CITY. 
          IT, IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN WHAT THAT POSITION'S GONNA BE ABLE TO HANDLE. 
          THAT'S JUST WHAT WE'VE REALIZED OVER TIME OF IMPLEMENTING THE PROGRAM. 
          AND SO, UM, I DON'T SEE THAT THERE WOULD BE AN OVERLAP. 
          THIS POSITION, WHICH CURRENTLY IS STRICTLY OVERSEEING BIKE PARK MAINTENANCE AND, UM, OPERATIONS AT THE BIKE PARK WOULD BE EXPANDED INTO TAKING ON THE WHOLE MULTIMODAL, UM, PROGRAM FOR THE CITY, WHICH TODAY WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A PERSON THAT'S SPECIFICALLY ASSIGNED TO THAT. 
          IT FALLS ON MANY OF US. 
          BUT WHAT THAT DOES IS IT ALSO CREATES PROBLEMS WITH, UM, YOU MIGHT SAY, INCONSISTENCY. 
          WE'RE NOT ALWAYS FULLY FOCUSED ON THAT, THAT LENS OF THINGS. 
          HAVING A PERSON THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AN EXPERT IN THAT FIELD, THAT'S THEIR FOCUS. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASSIGNED TO WILL BE, UM, WHAT WE NEED MOVING FORWARD FOR THAT PROGRAM. 
          JUST BECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS GROWING, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE NEEDED FOR THE STEPS PROGRAM AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS POSITION WOULD BE FOCUSED ON AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, TONY WAS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PLANNING EFFORTS IN THE FUTURE. 
          HAVING THAT PERSON THAT'S SPECI, UH, SPECIFICALLY ASSIGNED TO THAT FIELD WILL BE A BIG 
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ADVANTAGE TO THOSE PLANNING, UM, EFFORTS AS WELL. 
          SO THEN I WOULD EXPECT, BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING, THAT THE TRAIL SLASH PARKING PROGRAM MANAGER, WHICH SHOWS UP IN THE BUDGET BOOK AS WELL, THAT THERE'S SOME KIND OF A TITLE CHANGE AND THERE'S ALSO SOME KIND OF A NEW DEFINITION FOR THAT ROLE. 
          SO I, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF, SO THE PARKING MANAGER WILL BE STRICTLY PARKING MANAGEMENT AND THEIR TITLE AND THEIR ROLE. 
          ANOTHER SHIFT THAT THAT IS BEING IMPLEMENTED RIGHT NOW IS THE TRANSIT MANAGER WHO IS, HAS LEFT THE CITY AND WE'RE REFILLING THAT POSITION, THAT TITLE IS, HAS CHANGED TO TRANSPORTATION SERVICES MANAGER. 
          THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT POSITION WHEN IT TOOK ON PARKING IS NO LONGER JUST FOCUSED ON TRANSIT, IT'S TRANSIT PARKING AND MULTIMODAL. 
          SO IT'S REALLY A TRANSPORTATION SERVICES PROGRAM AT THIS POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY, NOW I'M CONFUSED AGAIN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE YOU USED THE WORD MULTIMODAL IN THERE, THEN THAT WOULD INCLUDE ALL OF OUR URBAN TRAILS, THE S RIGHT? YES. 
          AND YET THIS ROLE IS IN PUBLIC WORKS, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE IT REPORTS INTO TRANSIT SERVICES. 
          CURRENTLY THE ROLE IS IN PUBLIC WORKS. 
          BUT AS WE FILL THE NEW TRANSPORTATION SERVICES MANAGER POSITION AND WE FULLY FORM THAT PROGRAM, WE WILL BE MOVING THIS POSITION UNDER THAT, THAT PROGRAM. 
          SO THERE'LL BE TWO POSITIONS UNDER THAT PROGRAM. 
          WELL, ASIDE FROM THE MANAGER. 
          SO UNDER THAT PROGRAM, WHAT WE HAVE IS THE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES MANAGER. 
          WE HAVE THE PARKING MANAGER, WE HAVE CHRISTIE NOW WHO USED TO BE A GRANTS ANALYST, THAT'S THE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES ANALYST. 
          AND THEN THIS MULTIMODAL COORDINATOR. 
          THAT'S A FOR YEAH. 
          BUT A MANAGER'S GONNA REPORT TO A MANAGER. 
          YES. 
          UM, IN TITLE, UH, BASICALLY YES. 
          YEAH, BRIANT CHARLOTTE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE ASK I MADE OF WHAT'S A DAY OR A WEEK IN THE LIFE LOOK LIKE FOR THIS NEW PROPOSED ROLE? YEAH, SO I LOOKED AT THAT AS WELL. 
          ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, OF COURSE, THEY WILL STILL HAVE TO BE PLUGGED INTO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE BIKE PARK. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S STILL GONNA BE, UM, ONE OF THEIR CORE, CORE, UM, AREAS THAT THEY OVERSEE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE SAME TASK THAT THEY PERFORM TODAY AS FAR AS INSPECTION, MAINTENANCE, SAFETY CHECKS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS AT THE, AT THE BIKE PARK. 
          BUT THEN BEYOND THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED, BEING PLUGGED INTO PLANNING ROLES, DESIGN ROLES, UM, EVEN SMALL PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, AS WE IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE AMENITIES THAT WE WANT WITH BENCHES AND SHADE AND TREES AND THAT SORT OF THING ALONG OUR TRAIL SYSTEM, PART OF OUR PROBLEM THAT WE'VE HAD IS GOING BACK AND RETROFITTING SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE WANT THESE AMENITIES BUILT INTO. 
          WE'VE ALREADY ASSIGNED PROJECT MANAGERS TO PROJECTS. 
          SO GETTING THEM TO PUT THESE ADDITIONAL PROJECTS ONTO THEIR SCOPE IS, IS JUST A HARD THING TO DO. 
          SO WE'VE TRIED AND IT'S JUST, UM, IT HASN'T WORKED OUT WELL. 
          AND I, I DEFINITELY FEEL LIKE HAVING A PERSON THAT'S ASSIGNED TO THIS SPECIFICALLY WILL, WILL HELP A LOT. 
          UM, THERE ARE THINGS LIKE OUR WEBPAGE MANAGEMENT FOR THE STEPS PROGRAM. 
          IT'S, IT'S OLD AND OUTDATED AND NEEDS, NEEDS SOME WORK, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE A PERSON ASSIGNED TO THAT. 
          AND THIS PERSON, THAT'S PART OF WHAT THEY WOULD DO. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE TRAILS AND OUTREACH VOLUNTEER PROGRAMS THAT THEY WOULD OVERSEE, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT NONE OF OUR STAFF HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR TODAY. 
          AND THIS PERSON WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY ASSIGNED TO THAT. 
          DOES THAT HELP CHARLOTTE? I UNDERSTAND HOW, UM, FIRST YOU HAVE A SEED AND THEN YOU START DOLING OUT LITTLE RESPONSIBILITIES TO WHEREVER YOU CAN FIT IT. 
          AND EVENTUALLY WHEN IT RIPENS ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE A FULL POSITION. 
          AND THIS SOUNDS TO ME LIKE SOMETHING THAT HAS GOTTEN TO THAT STAGE. 
          SO I SUPPORT IT. 
          MY QUESTION IS, UM, IN THE WRITE UP, WE SAY SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, YOU COULD REDUCE, HAVE A REDUCED NEED OF ABOUT 20,000 A YEAR IN CONTRACTED SERVICES. 
          SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT THAT ONGOING COST IS REALLY 
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A NET OF 56,000 INCREASE AS OPPOSED TO 76? THAT, THAT WAS THE WAY WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT AS THIS DECISION PACKAGE WAS DEVELOPED? YOU KNOW, I TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE SMALLER PROJECTS THAT THEY COULD HAVE A LOT OF HANDS ON INVOLVEMENT IN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE FULLY ANTICIPATE THAT SMALL PROJECTS CAN BE DESIGNED IN-HOUSE. 
          WE HAVE ENGINEERING STAFF THAT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE AND SKILLS AND ABILITY, UH, TO DO THAT. 
          BUT YOU STILL NEED THIS SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT TO WORK WITH THEM. 
          'CAUSE WHAT WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER TIME IS THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR ENGINEERS ARE MOSTLY TRAINED IN THE AREA OF STREETS AND, YOU KNOW, MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          WHEN WE GET INTO SPECIFIC THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH EXPERIENCE WITH THAT. 
          SO WE'VE DEFINITELY HAD TO BRING IN OUR BIKE COORDINATOR, UH, VOLUNTEERS AND, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE VERY INTERESTED IN, IN, UH, IN THIS AREA AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR STAFF TO HELP WITH THE OVERSIGHT OF THAT, OF THAT DESIGN. 
          BUT HAVING A, A PERSON ASSIGNED TO THIS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, A CONSISTENT PRESENCE ON THAT WILL BE, UM, MORE BENEFICIAL THAN JUST TRYING TO PLUG PEOPLE IN WHERE WE, WHERE WE POSSIBLY CAN. 
          AND, AND THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING THEN, WHAT, WHAT IS THE 20,000 IN CONTRACTED SERVICES THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, I'M SORRY. 
          WHAT, WHAT IS THE 20,000 IN CONTRACTED SERVICES THAT MIGHT BE REDUCED? WHAT WOULD THAT REPRESENT? UM, I THINK THOSE WERE MINOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS. 
          UM, AS WELL AS, UH, I THINK IT WAS SOME MINOR, UH, MAINTENANCE EFFORTS THAT WERE BEING CONTRACTED OUT. 
          SO IT'S SORT OF SPREAD OUT OVER SEVERAL MM-HMM . 
          DIFFERENT PROGRAM AREAS. 
          UM, BUT WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE, THERE WOULD BE SAVINGS THERE AS FAR AS CUTTING IT AHEAD OF TIME. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT WAS DONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S STILL IN THE BUDGET, BUT, UM, BUT LET'S, LET'S ASSUME IT'S GONNA GO UNSPENT AND UNNEEDED, RIGHT. 
          BE PART OF THAT GREAT CONTINGENCY AT THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          EXACTLY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          BRIAN, UH, JUST TO, FOR ALL OF US, WE'RE 20 MINUTES BEHIND RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M STILL STRUGGLING, ANDY. 
          I'M TRYING. 
          UM, SO THIS PERSON IS SOMEBODY THAT RIGHT NOW WILL GO AND GRAB A SHOVEL AND DO SOMETHING OUT AT THE BIKE PARK. 
          THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO WAS GONNA GO AND WORK ON THE, A PART OF OUR WEBSITE TO UPDATE WEBSITE CONTENT. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE A MEETING, UH, PLANNER, FACILITATOR, UH, WITH THE FOREST SERVICE OR IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AM I PICKING, IS THAT ALL CORRECT? SO FAR? THE ONLY THING I WOULD CLARIFY THERE IS THEY WON'T ACTUALLY BE A PLANNER. 
          THEY'LL BE PLUGGED INTO THE PLANNING PROCESS AND HELPING WITH THEIR, YOU KNOW, I MEANT PLANNING FROM JUST LIKE MEETING PLANNING, NOT, OH, NOT COM DEV PLANNING. 
          BUT YEAH, COORDINATION REALLY IS, IS THE WAY WE SEE IT. 
          BUT YES, UM, WE ALREADY HAVE MEETINGS WITH FOREST SERVICE AND OTHER MM-HMM . 
          UM, AGENCIES THAT WE WOULD CERTAINLY BENEFIT FROM SOMEONE FOCUSED ON THIS TOPIC. 
          I KNOW IT'S HARD FOR ME TO CONVEY WHEN I SIT DOWN TO A MEETING WITH THE FOREST AND I'M THINKING, TRAFFIC TRANSIT, PARKING, YOU KNOW, A ZILLION THINGS. 
          IT MIGHT BE HARD FOR SOMEONE FROM THE OUTSIDE TO BE LIKE, WELL, CAN'T YOU PUT ON THAT LENS REAL QUICK? YES, I CAN. 
          BUT IT'S NOT A NATURAL THING TO DO. 
          AND WHEN YOU HAVE A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT AT THE TABLE, IT'S JUST, UH, IT HELPS WITH THE CONSISTENCY OF THE PROGRAM. 
          AND I WOULD THROW OUT THAT IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES, TOWNS, UH, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO SEDONA TO HAVE URBAN TRAILS, UH, IT'S A VERY COMMON THING TO HAVE A TRAIL COORDINATOR. 
          UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'LL ALSO SAY THAT FROM THE BEGINNING OF BUILDING THIS PROGRAM, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN AN UNDERSTANDING THAT SOMEDAY WE WOULD NEED THIS POSITION. 
          AND I'VE BEEN ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE FOUGHT BACK AND ADDING IT IN YEARS PAST WHEN I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE READY YET. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE THERE, WE NEED IT. 
          UM, I, I HOPE I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS PERSON'S A UNICORN THAT YOU'RE WANTING WELL, THEY'RE A REAL PERSON ACTUALLY. 
          THERE IS A REAL PERSON. 
          SO DO THEY HAVE THE SKILLS THAT BRIAN WAS ASKING YOU ABOUT? WELL, I, I THINK THAT'S A VERY VALID POINT, AND THAT'S 
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PART OF THE REASON WHY THE PARKING MANAGER, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE EXPLAINED THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY, TIME-WISE TO COVER THIS AREA. 
          IT'S ALSO WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR IN THE PEOPLE WE'VE INTERVIEWED AND THE PEOPLE WE'VE WORKED WITH THAT, THAT UNICORN IN FINDING A PARKING PERSON MULTIMODAL. 
          AT THE SAME TIME. 
          THEY MAY UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPTS, BUT THEY DON'T REALLY GET WHAT THEY NEED TO BE DOING WITH MULTIMODAL. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 
          ON THE OTHER HAND, WHEN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE UNICORN THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN A MAINTENANCE PERSON, A, A PERSON THAT CAN PLUG INTO PLANNING AND COORDINATE MEETINGS AND HELP THE CITY TO STAY FOCUSED ON OUR GOALS FOR THE PROGRAM AND, YOU KNOW, HELP DRIVE THAT PROGRAM FORWARD. 
          UM, AS, AS ANNETTE MENTIONED, WE HAVE THAT GUY TODAY. 
          AND I DO SEE THAT AS SOMETHING THAT'S MORE COMMON THAN TRYING TO FIT A PARKING PERSON INTO A MULTIMODAL ROLE. 
          UM, IT BASICALLY, YOU NEED A, A PERSON THAT CAN, CAN DO LABOR, UM, AND COORDINATE VOLUNTEER EVENTS. 
          BECAUSE JUST KEEP IN MIND AND REMEMBER THAT THE BIKE PARK WORKER THAT WE HAVE TODAY DOESN'T DO ALL THE WORK BY THEMSELVES. 
          THEY, THEY COORDINATE VOLUNTEER EVENTS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY BRING IN EXTRA PEOPLE TO, TO GET THE WORK DONE. 
          AND THAT'LL CONTINUE. 
          OKAY. 
          NOT TO ARGUE FOR SPORT, BUT YOU JUST MADE AN ARGUMENT THAT IN PART WE'RE PROPOSING THIS BECAUSE THE GUY THAT IS THE PARKING MANAGER DOESN'T HAVE THE SKILLSET TO DO THE PARTS OF THIS. 
          'CAUSE THAT THAT'S A BIGGER UNICORN STILL. 
          WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE PARKING MANAGER, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY DON'T FIT WELL INTO THIS ROLE IS IT, IT'S NOT A COMMON THING THAT PARKING, UH, MANAGERS DO ALSO HAVE A PASSION FOR MULTIMODAL FACILITIES. 
          UM, UM, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN SAYING CAN A PERSON THAT IS VERY FOCUSED ON BIKE FACILITIES AND MAINTENANCE ALSO SEE THE, OVERSEE THE PLANNING AND ADMINISTRATION SIDE OF, OF THAT PROGRAM. 
          AND I WOULD SAY THAT'S A LOT MORE COMMON THAN TRYING TO FIT A PARKING MANAGER INTO A MULTIMODAL ROLE, I THINK, WHICH IS WHAT THE ADVOCATES FOR A SEPARATE TRAILS COORDINATOR HAVE BEEN TELLING US. 
          YES. 
          AND I WOULD AGREE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ANDREW, YOU'RE UP. 
          WE MISSED YOU, ANDY. 
          OH, I MISSED YOU TOO,  SURE DID. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          HELLO MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR DECISION PACKAGE FOR THE TOURISM PROGRAM FOR FY 27. 
          UM, THIS IS TOURISM AD CONTINGENCY FOR $300,000. 
          UM, TO PUT SOME CONTEXT INTO THIS, UH, OUR KIND OF CORE PAID ADVERTISING BUDGET FOR DESTINATION MARKETING HAS BEEN $350,000 SINCE THE PROGRAM WAS ENACTED. 
          AND WE'RE MOVING INTO OUR FOURTH BUDGET FOR THE PROGRAM STARTING IN FY 27. 
          UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS CORE PAID ADVERTISING FOR DESTINATION MARKETING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL FOR DIGITAL ADVERTISING, PRINT ADVERTISING, AND ALSO THINGS LIKE OUT-OF-HOME, WHICH WOULD BE THE AIRPORT BANNER THAT WE EXECUTED WITH YOU ALL LAST SUMMER. 
          UM, SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THIS $300,000. 
          UM, HOW WE GOT TO THAT NUMBER WAS, WE SORT OF HAVE DIFFERENT BUCKETS WITHIN THAT, THAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING ON THE SLIDE, BUT I'LL BE ABLE TO WALK YOU THROUGH. 
          THE FIRST ONE I'LL SHARE IS, UM, OF THAT 300,000, WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING $150,000 DEDICATED TO PROVIDING ADDITIONAL FUNDING OR WHAT WE'VE REFERRED TO BEFORE AS KIND OF BOOSTING OUR SEASONAL SUMMER AND WINTER DESTINATION DESTINATION MARKETING CAMPAIGNS. 
          UM, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THIS WITH YOU. 
          UH, WE, WE'VE EXECUTED THIS, THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. 
          UM, WHEN WE CAME TO YOU AT THE END OF JULY, WHEN WE SAW THAT BUSINESS PERFORMANCE WAS DOWN YEAR OVER YEAR, AND YOU APPROVED US TO INCREASE THE SPEND IN OUR SUMMER CAMPAIGN BY $50,000, 35 OF THAT WAS TO INCREASE THE DIGITAL MARKETING. 
          BUT THAT'S WHERE 15 OF THAT WENT TO THE DIGITAL BANNER AT THE PHOENIX AIRPORT. 
          UM, WE ALSO DID THIS WITH YOU LEADING UP INTO THE WINTER CAMPAIGN THAT WE JUST REPORTED ON LAST WEEK, I CAN THINK. 
          YEP. 
          UM, WHEN WE ASKED FOR ANOTHER 93,000 OR SO DOLLARS DUE TO CONTINUED POOR BUSINESS PERFORMANCE THAT WE SAW THAT REALLY BEGAN AROUND THIS TIME LAST YEAR AND WENT THROUGH THE END OF NOVEMBER. 
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UM, SO THERE'S PRECEDENT FOR US DOING THIS. 
          UM, HOWEVER, LAST THIS FISCAL YEAR, UM, WHEN WE MADE THOSE REQUESTS, IT WAS PULLED OUT OF THE CITY'S CONTINGENCY FUND. 
          SO IN CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH COUNCIL, THERE WAS AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT WHAT IF WE LOOKED AT SETTING UP A TOURISM PROGRAM SPECIFIC CONTINGENCY FUND. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT ASPECT OF THIS REQUEST IS RELATED TO. 
          UM, THE SECOND ASPECT OF THIS IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          SO NOW WE'RE UP TO TWO 50 OF THE 300. 
          UM, AS YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE REQUEST THAT WE MADE FOR YOU FOR THE WINNER CAMPAIGN THAT WE JUST EXECUTED. 
          UM, PART OF THAT WAS PILOTING THAT HIGH NET WORTH AUDIENCE. 
          UM, WE KNOW THAT THESE FOLKS, UM, TEND TO STAY LONGER, TEND TO SPEND MORE. 
          UM, WE DID PILOT IT THIS WINTER. 
          UM, WE DID MENTION WE'RE CONTINUING IT THIS SUMMER, BUT THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WOULD ALLOW FOR US TO MAKE THAT AN ALWAYS ON STRATEGY SPECIFIC TO OUR FLIGHT MARKETS. 
          SO HIGH NET WORTH IN OUR FLIGHT MARKETS. 
          UM, AND THAT WOULD GIVE US A CHANCE TO HAVE A BROADER LOOK OF HOW THAT STRATEGY COULD WORK AND KEEP THAT ON SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO ATTRACT THOSE, THOSE VISITORS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          THE FINAL 50,000 IS RELATED TO WHAT WE'VE KIND OF REFERRED TO AND HAD CONVERSATIONS BEFORE, WHICH IS THE KIND OF STRATEGIC EVENT MARKETING FUND. 
          SO THERE'S BEEN TIMES IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, UM, WHERE THERE'S BEEN HIGH IMPACT EVENTS IN THE PHOENIX METRO. 
          UM, AND QUESTION HAS BEEN WHAT ARE WE DOING TO SORT OF TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE OR CAPITALIZE ON THOSE OR LEVERAGE THEM TO BOOST VISITATION. 
          NOW WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THIS, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT JUST ANY HIGH IMPACT EVENT. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT STRATEGIC TIMES OF YEAR. 
          SO, UM, I'D SAY THE WAY THAT I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I KNOW CACTUS LEAGUE IS ARGUABLY A HIGH IMPACT EVENT, BUT IT'S IN MARCH. 
          THAT TO ME DOESN'T REALLY FIT THE CRITERIA. 
          IT WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THE FIESTA BOWL THAT WE SAW AT THE START OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR, OR MAYBE IT WAS THE WNBA, UH, PLAYOFFS THAT OCCURRED AS WELL, I BELIEVE IN SEPTEMBER. 
          UM, SO WE'VE STARTED TO, STARTED TO COMPILE A LIST OF THAT. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S JUST GIVING YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THOSE FUNDS COULD BE. 
          UM, A BIG PIECE OF THIS, AS WE MENTIONED, WAS THAT, UM, THIS IS BEING PROPOSED AS A CONTINGENCY FUND, UM, REQUEST, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT WE WOULD NEED TO COME TO YOU FOR APPROVAL BEFORE WE ACCESS OR SORT OF LEVERAGE THOSE FUNDS. 
          UM, I WILL SAY THAT WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS TO THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD, THEY DID APPROVE US MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DECISION PACKAGE, BUT THEY DID RECOMMEND THAT THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR YEAR ROUND MARKETING IN OUR HIGH NET WORTH AUDIENCE, THAT THAT WOULD BE PUT INTO OUR BASE BUDGET ESSENTIALLY FOR FY 27. 
          SO JUST WANNA SHARE THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM THE TAB. 
          UM, THAT'S MY PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU, ANDREW. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? BRIAN? ANDREW, I AGREE WITH THE TAB. 
          THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND IS NOT A CONTINGENT REQUEST. 
          IT'S A STRAIGHT UP BUDGET REQUEST. 
          UM, THE 150, IS THERE ANY IDEA OF, OF, I MEAN THAT'S BASICALLY SAYING A CONTINGENCY FOR EITHER LOW TIME OF THE YEAR. 
          SO IS THERE ANY IDEA HOW THAT 150 MIGHT BE BROKEN OUT? OBVIOUSLY, UH, WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE TEST OF THIS, SO THAT WAS THIS FISCAL YEAR AND IT WAS ESSENTIALLY 50 TO A HUNDRED JUST TO KIND OF MAKE, MAKE ROUND NUMBERS. 
          UM, I KNOW ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF THIS REQUEST HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE DETERMINING WHAT CONSTITUTES LEVERAGING THIS? UM, AND I THINK WE'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT IT'S SORT OF DOWN BUSINESS PERFORMANCE, WHICH WE CAN IDENTIFY AS FLAT OR BELOW THE YEAR BEFORE. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT AS I'M MOVING INTO CALENDAR YEAR 26, UM, AND I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS WITH OUR RESEARCH FIRM SYMPHONY, IS THAT OBVIOUSLY WE SAW PRETTY HEAVY DECLINES, UM, LAST CALENDAR YEAR. 
          SO IF WE'RE COMPARING AGAINST THAT, WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN? UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE FLAT TO LAST YEAR, THAT MEANS WE ARE VERY BAD ACCORDING TO 24 ESSENTIALLY. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING ESSENTIALLY A TWO YEAR LOOK BACK AND SORT OF UPDATING SOME OF OUR CHARTS TO GET A, TO GET A BETTER IDEA OF IT. 
          BUT I DO THINK THE SEVERITY OF THE, OF, OF THE DOWN OR FLAT PERFORMANCE WOULD BE AN INDICATOR OF WHICH DIRECTION WE WOULD GO. 
          BUT HAVING THESE FUNDS AVAILABLE ALLOWS US TO HAVE MORE TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX THAT IF WE SEE THINGS END UP IN A NEGATIVE OR DECLINED STATE, THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO KIND OF ACTIVATE FUNDING TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          I DO THINK THAT REALISTICALLY, UM, WE WOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THESE FUNDS TILL JULY ONE, WHICH WOULD BE ALREADY HALFWAY THROUGH OUR SUMMER CAMPAIGN THAT YOU APPROVED LAST WEEK. 
          SO BASED ON THAT REALITY, I WOULD SEE WE'D HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND MORE DOLLARS IN THE WINTER CAMPAIGN THAN WE WOULD THE SUMMER CAMPAIGN. 
          BUT OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT THE SUMMER CAMPAIGN IS CONTINUING, CONTINUING TO PRESENT MORE OF A NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF BOOST. 
          SO AREN'T WE STILL ON LIKE A TWO MONTH LAG OF GETTING OCCUPANCY AND OTHER LODGING RELATED DATA? WE HAVE BOOKING PACE THAT IS A BIT OF A LOOK FORWARD. 
          UM, 
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WE'VE GOT OUR SMITH TRAVEL RESEARCH, WHICH IS ABOUT A 45 DAY. 
          UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY SALES AND BED TAXES IS, IS LATER. 
          SO THERE'S SORT OF A MORE OPAQUE VIEW. 
          MM-HMM . 
          A LESS OPAQUE VIEW. 
          AND THEN THE REALITY WHICH IS TYPICALLY BEHIND US. 
          SO I, YES, I WOULD SAY ABOUT TWO MONTHS IS ACCURATE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S TOO LATE TO BE ENACTING A CONTINGENCY. 
          THAT'S BEEN MY CRITIQUE ALL ALONG. 
          I'M ALL FOR HAVING THE CONTINGENT FUNDS, BUT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DEPLOY THEM MORE TIMELY THAN WHAT A TWO MONTH LAG, UH, AFFORDS US. 
          'CAUSE EVEN THEN, OKAY, YOU'VE WAITED TWO MONTHS, WE, WE'VE WAITED TWO MONTHS. 
          YOU SAY, OH, THERE'S A NEED NOW WE GOTTA SCHEDULE AN EMERGENCY MEETING POTENTIALLY THAT COULD TAKE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER WEEK. 
          AND THEN HOW FAST DO WE EXECUTE ONCE WE'VE HAD THAT MEETING? SO WE'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO SPEED THIS UP, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR THE BOOKING PACE. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I'VE HEARD ATTENDING LODGING COUNCIL MEETINGS THE LAST COUPLE YEARS IS, IS THAT THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE IN BOOKING PACE, RIGHT? THAT UH, TRAVELERS ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE LAST MINUTE OR CLOSER TO LAST MINUTE THAN THEY USED TO BE. 
          SO IS THAT, IS THAT STABILIZED ENOUGH TO WHERE THAT'S PREDICTABLE? SO YOU REALLY COULD USE THAT? 'CAUSE AGAIN, WHEN THE DAY IS DONE, I WANNA ENABLE YOU TO DO THIS AND TO NOT NEED TO HAVE A SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING TO DO IT. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S TWO CHALLENGES WITH, WITH, WITH BOOKING PACE. 
          AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S BEEN MOST IMPACTED BY THE POOR PERFORMANCE THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT OUR BOOKING PACE, IT IS BLUE ALL AROUND. 
          BUT THAT'S 'CAUSE WE'RE PREPARING IT, COMPARING IT TO A TIME, THIS TIME LAST YEAR WHERE THINGS REALLY STARTED TO SLOW DOWN, COMBINED WITH THE FACT THAT YES, I STILL DO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, DURING SLOWER TIMES, WE'RE SEEING PEOPLE HAVE, THEY WERE GETTING HUGE OCCUPANCY BOOSTS THE DAY OF. 
          SO PEOPLE WERE KIND OF SHOWING UP THE DAY OR THE DAY BEFORE ARE BASICALLY RESERVING. 
          SO WE'RE STILL IN THAT DYNAMIC AND THAT'S WHY I, I AM WORKING WITH SYMPHONY. 
          THEIR, THEIR PLATFORM'S NOT STRUCTURED TO LOOK AT BOOKING PASTE TWO YEARS BACK. 
          IT'S STRUCTURED TO LOOK BACK ONE YEAR BACK, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ALIGN THAT CHART SO THAT WE CAN SEE IT. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE BLUE ON THAT. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I'D SAY BOOKING PASTE IS ONE THAT IS OPAQUE, UM, IN, IN THIS REGARD. 
          BUT IF I CAN GET IT BACK TO A 24 VIEW, THEN I, THAT WOULD GIMME MORE CONFIDENCE. 
          OTHERWISE, IT'S THROUGH THINGS LIKE OUR, UH, BUSINESS PERFORMANCE AND OUTLOOK SURVEY THAT YOU ALL ASKED ME TO START TO EXECUTE. 
          THAT WILL BE MOVING INTO OUR THIRD. 
          THAT TO ME IS A PRETTY GOOD BELLWETHER IF WE CAN START TO GET MORE RESPONSES FOR THAT. 
          OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR INDUSTRY. 
          I CAN GET A GOOD PULSE ON IT AND TRY TO PRESENT WHATEVER CASE I CAN MAKE TO CITY COUNCIL SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. 
          SO THAT'S THE, THE MARKET ASSESSMENT OF LOCAL BUSINESSES PROVIDING DATA ANONYMOUSLY THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S GOT A ROBUST ENOUGH, UH, PARTICIPATION LEVEL OR, OR MAYBE YOU DO. 
          UM, WE'VE GROWN THAT PARTICIPATION LEVEL. 
          I THINK THE LAST ONE IS ONE THAT I THINK HAD SUBSTANCE TO IT. 
          WE FINALLY HAD A GOOD SWATH OF RESPONSES BETWEEN RESTAURANT LODGING AND RETAIL. 
          UM, WHICH GAVE ME MORE THAN JUST KIND OF ONE SECTOR AT, AT A TIME. 
          BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE CONTINUED WORK TO GET THAT UP TO A SPACE THAT, YOU KNOW, I CONTINUE TO SEE THAT LEVEL OF PERFORMANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          I I JUST THINK WE NEED TO KEEP WORKING ON THAT AGAIN. 
          UH, NOT TO BE A DEAD HORSE, BUT I JUST THINK WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO ENABLE YOU TO USE THE CONTINGENCY BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE AND, AND WE'RE JUST WASTING MONEY AT THAT POINT. 
          THE, UH, THE LAST ONE, THE AWARENESS FOR BUILD AWARENESS FOR THE SIGNIFICANT, UH, EVENTS DOWN IN THE VALLEY. 
          UH, IN PARTICULAR, DOES THAT HAVE TO BE A CONTINGENCY? CAN WE NOT JUST HAVE THAT BUDGETED AS WELL, UM, SO THAT IT'S A MORE FLUID, YOU KNOW, ABILITY OF TO USE THOSE FUNDS? I MEAN, LIKE ANNETTE, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT OR? I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THAT, BUT WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL SOME MONTHS AGO, THE COUNCIL WAS NOT COMFORTABLE DELEGATING THAT TO ME AND WANTED IT TO COME BACK TO YOU. 
          SO THAT'S, YOU GUYS NEED TO DECIDE WHICH WAY YOU WANNA GO AND I'M HAPPY TO, TO EXECUTE WHICHEVER DIRECTION YOU WANNA GIVE ME. 
          I'D LOVE TO HEAR MY COLLEAGUES' THOUGHTS ON THAT THEN. 
          'CAUSE I'D RATHER SEE US DELEGATE SO THAT WE CAN MOVE QUICKLY TO MAKE THE CHANGE THAT'S NEEDED OR TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OPPORTUNITIES. 
          I DON'T KNOW, ANDREW, IS THERE NOT TAB DOESN'T HAVE ANY IDEAS OR OUR, UM, BEST PRACTICES FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES OF HOW, WHAT, WHAT EVENTS COULD TRIGGER THE, YOU KNOW, THE USE OF THE CONTINGENCY FUNDS? THE, THE FIRST PART OF YOUR COMMENTS OF VICE MAYOR, BECAUSE I, I'M TOTALLY IN AGREEMENT. 
          I'VE SAID THIS FROM THE DIOCESE SEVERAL TIMES, IT'S JUST TOO LATE. 
          BY THE TIME, 
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YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM TO FIX THE PROBLEM. 
          SO IF THE, IF THERE IS INDICATIONS THAT YOU CAN USE OBJECTIVE INDICATORS THAT COULD TRIGGER THAT WHERE IT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT. 
          YEAH. 
          IF WE WERE TO HAVE THESE FUNDS AVAILABLE IN OUR BUDGET, I WOULD FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE COULD UTILIZE 'EM TO THEIR BEST PURPOSE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THERE'S KIND OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS. 
          I THINK ONE IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS BEST PRACTICE? WELL, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY HOW THIS CONVERSATION HAS BEEN HAD SO FAR IN THE COMMUNITIES RELATED TO SPORTING EVENTS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST DOING MORE RESEARCH THAN I'VE ALREADY DONE. 
          PROBABLY WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS AT VISIT PHOENIX TO REALLY VALIDATE WHAT EVENTS THEY'RE SEEING. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE AN OBVIOUS ONE TO ME. 
          HEY, THERE'S THESE MONTHS THAT ARE IN OUR TARGET ZONE. 
          WHERE ARE YOU SEEING KIND OF HIGH IMPACT EVENTS ON YOUR SCHEDULE? UM, I DO THINK THAT THE STRATEGY THAT WE DID TO EXECUTE ON THE 50 K FOR THE SUMMER FEELS LIKE A GOOD BENCHMARK FOR US. 
          WHERE WE'D WANT TO DO SOME LEVEL OF DIGITAL ADVERTISING. 
          UM, WHETHER THAT BE DIRECTLY IN PHOENIX OR HOW IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT WITH THE FIESTA BOWL WAS WE KNEW FOLKS WERE COMING IN FROM THOSE COLLEGE TOWNS TO PHOENIX. 
          SO BEING ABLE TO MAYBE TARGET A FEW DIFFERENT MARKETS DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT SUPPORTING EVENT WOULD BE. 
          AND I WOULD ABSOLUTELY RECOMMEND SOME LEVEL OF OUT OF HOME, WHICH WOULD BE DIGITAL BANNERS LIKE WE HAD IN PHOENIX OR ANOTHER STRATEGY SUCH AS THAT. 
          SO A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE DIGITAL MARKETING STRATEGY THAT WOULD HAVE SOME LEVEL OF ATTRIBUTION ALSO TIED TO AN OUT OF HOME, WHICH WE KNOW THAT WE CAN'T DO DIRECT ATTRIBUTION ON, BUT WOULD BE A MISS NOT TO DO GIVEN THE FOCUS OF WHAT THIS ACTIVITY WOULD BE. 
          I'M JUST THINKING IF YOU COULD COME BACK TO US WITH, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL CRITERIA, WE APPROVE THAT, THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO US AGAIN. 
          'CAUSE YOU COULD JUST SAY, THIS HAS BEEN TRIGGERED BY SUCH AND SUCH AND REPORT IT TO US AFTER THE FACT. 
          YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE, GET A PERMISSION OR APPROVAL TO SPEND THE MONEY 'CAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE THESE CRITERIA APPROVED IN ADVANCE. 
          MAY I WEIGH IN? CAN YOU, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BECAUSE WE TRIED TO HAVE THAT EXACT CONVERSATION. 
          WHAT WAS THAT, SIX MONTHS AGO? AND COUNSEL WAS VERY CLEAR THAT, UM, THEY DID NOT WANT TO, UM, APPROVE ANNETTE'S AUTHORITY, UH, TO BE ABLE TO BOOST A CAMPAIGN. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVENTS AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT EVENTS. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT, UM, SO WHEN THERE'S SLOW BUSINESS PERFORMANCE BOOSTING CAMPAIGN, CORRECT. 
          BUT I THINK AT LEAST FROM MY OPINION, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CRITERIA AND I TRIED TO PUT SOME UP ON THE SCREEN AS, OKAY, HERE'S SOME SOME THINGS THAT YOU ALL COULD CONSIDER. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS LATE THAT NIGHT. 
          IF WE WERE TIRED, PEOPLE DIDN'T WANNA GO, THERE COULD BE. 
          AND AND SO WE WALKED AWAY SAYING, OKAY, THIS ISN'T THE TIME. 
          BUT IF, IF I'M HEARING THAT YOU WANT ME TO COME BACK AND MAYBE REENGAGE IN THAT CONVERSATION AND MAYBE PRIME IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER WITH HERE'S HERE'S OUR RECOMMENDATION, YOU GUYS REACT TO THAT. 
          UM, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          SO LET ME SEE IF I HAVE CONSENSUS FROM MY COLLEAGUES. 
          CAN I COMMENT ON THAT? SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I REMEMBER IT THE WAY LAUREN REMEMBERS IT. 
          UM, THAT WE WERE KIND OF, WE WERE PRETTY CLEAR ON THAT. 
          UM, SO I MEAN THE ONLY WAY I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WOULD BE WITH IF THERE WERE ACTUAL PARAMETERS, BUT I STILL THINK THAT WE MIGHT END UP HAVING THAT CONVERSATION AND END UP IN EXACTLY THE SAME PLACE BECAUSE WE DID HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          SO I'M JUST, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT LEVEL WHERE WE WOULD BE COMFORTABLE. 
          IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SO CRYSTAL CLEAR AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS AS OBJECTIVE AND BLACK AND WHITE WHEN THERE, THE DEPARTMENT IS REVIEWING THAT. 
          SO I JUST DON'T WANNA WASTE A LOT OF STAFF'S TIME OR OUR TIME IF I THINK WE MIGHT END UP IN THE SAME PLACE. 
          I I THINK IT'S WORTH PURSUING AND I SEE SOME NODDING HERE BECAUSE IT'S NEVER GONNA BE A MATHEMATICAL EQUATION. 
          THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SUBJECTIVITY THERE. 
          YES. 
          AND I THINK THAT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH SPECIF SPECIFICITY AT THAT TIME FOR A COMFORT LEVEL. 
          BUT IF YOU CAN GET MORE SPECIFIC, DO SOME WORK. 
          I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THE SPEND WILL ACTUALLY HAVE AN IMPACT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IF YOU CAN, I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE GENERAL CONSENSUS ON BEING ON, ON US APPROVING THEM. 
          SO, SO COME BACK WITH THAT IF YOU YEAH, I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A, A JOURNEY WE'RE ALL GOING ON AND, AND WE SHOWED THE RESULTS OF WHAT THE EXTRA BOOST DID TO THE CAMPAIGN. 
          THAT MEANS SOMETHING TO ALL OF YOU. 
          IT DOES. 
          SO IT'S PROBABLY EASIER TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE THRESHOLDS ARE. 
          UM, SO HEARD WE'LL BRING SOMETHING BACK. 
          UM, 
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON LIKE, CAN WE CLARIFY ANYTHING ELSE ON THE, WELL BRIAN HAD TWO ELEMENTS HE WAS DISCUSSING. 
          OH. 
          SO ONE WAS THE CONTINGENCY FOR SLOW BUSINESS, WE'LL CALL IT. 
          THE SECOND WAS THE EVENTS. 
          AND I WASN'T SPEAKING TO THE EVENTS. 
          DOES ANYBODY WANNA SPEAK TO THE EVENTS AND APOLOGIES. 
          THAT'S WHAT I SPOKE TO WHEN I KIND OF GAVE MY STRATEGY. 
          I WAS SPEAKING TO WHAT I WOULD SEE AN EVENT THRESHOLD BEING. 
          I MEAN I JUST THINK WE SHOULD HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET AND NOT AS A CONTINGENCY. 
          THAT IS ANNETTE. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, IN THIS CONTEXT TODAY AND TOMORROW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT DOLLAR AMOUNTS YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH US BRINGING BACK AND THE TENTATIVE BUDGET FOR THE ADOPTION PROCESS AND THEN HOW THAT GETS EXECUTED AND IMPLEMENTED. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE A VARIETY OF THINGS LIKE THIS WHERE WE NEED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, IN A COUNCIL MEETING FOR THE EXECUTION SIDE. 
          BUT IF WE KNOW YOUR DIRECTION FOR WHERE YOU WANT US TO PUT THE MONEY, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROJECT, AND THEN THAT'LL BE IMPORTANT FOR US TOMORROW SO THAT STERLING KNOWS YES, PUT THE DECISION PACKAGE IN, BUT INSTEAD OF IN CONTINGENCY, PUT IT IN THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES LINE AND WHATEVER. 
          AND THEN WE CAN DO THE FOLLOW UP ON THE ACTUAL EXECUTION OF, OF THE SPENDING. 
          UM, IF THAT HELPS, IT DOES HELP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          MELISSA, DID JEFF HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY? UM, I, I JUST WANTED TO ADD AGREEMENT TO, TO THE VICE MAYOR. 
          YOU KNOW, WE MEET TWICE A MONTH AND IN BETWEEN THE TIMES WE MEET SOMETHING CAN COME UP AND NO RESPONSE CAN HAPPEN FROM TOURISM UNTIL THEY'VE COME AND SPOKEN TO US. 
          AND BY THEM IT MIGHT NOT BE AS EFFECTIVE. 
          IT MIGHT NOT BE TOO LATE, BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE AS EFFECTIVE BECAUSE OF THE LEAD TIME YOU NEED BECAUSE YOU'RE DEALING WITH HUMANS RESPONDING TO SOMETHING THEY SEE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND HAVING PLANS. 
          AND SO IF THEY'RE COMING TO THE NFL PICK IN PHOENIX TOMORROW, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T A WEEK BEFORE DO THAT BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE ALL THEIR PLANS ALREADY SET INSTEAD OF COMING TO SEDONA FOR A DAY OR TWO. 
          SO I I AGREE. 
          WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT OUR SCHEDULE COMPARED TO REAL LIFE, REAL LIFE AND REAL PEOPLE AND HOW LONG IT TAKES THEM TO GET THE RIGHT AD AND GET IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE. 
          AND SO I I JUST FEEL LIKE IF WE WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY, THEN WE HAVE TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. 
          I AM NOT GONNA REPEAT EVERYTHING BECAUSE I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID. 
          I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY IN GENERAL, I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH CONTINGENCIES WITHIN BUDGETS. 
          WE HAVE CONT CONTINGENCIES, WE HAVE RESERVES, WE HAVE UNALLOCATED. 
          THERE'S SO MANY EXTRA LEVELS THERE. 
          THAT'S HOW WE OVER BUDGET, YOU KNOW. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND I, I PREFER ONE BIG CONTINGENCY, ESPECIALLY IF IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL ANYWAY. 
          I MEAN WHO CARES WHERE IT IS? SO, WELL WE'RE SAYING BUT THE POINT IS TO YEAH. 
          EXPEDITE AND SO WELL ALSO PUT IT IN THE BUDGET NOT AS A CONTINGENCY. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S, DO YOU SUPPORT THAT? YES, I DO. 
          OKAY. 
          I SEE SOME NODDING HEADS. 
          OF COURSE PETE'S NOT HERE TO WEIGH IN, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOT ANYTHING FROM HIM. 
          YES. 
          AND COUNSELOR FURMAN INDICATED HE WOULD PARTICIPATE TOMORROW IF HE CAN. 
          SO BECAUSE UM, HE HAD PREVIOUSLY ASKED ME, WILL THERE BE DELIBERATIONS THURSDAY AFTERNOON AND I SAID YES. 
          SO I THINK HE IS, UM, ANTICIPATING PROVIDING FEEDBACK TOMORROW AFTERNOON. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THANKS ANDREW. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH JOSH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          SO I'M JOSH FRUIN, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR AND THIS IS FOR THE AMERICA TWO 50 EVENT. 
          SO THIS DECISION PACKAGE WAS BROUGHT UP AS ONE FOR A DESIRE FOR, THERE'S SEVERAL COMMUNITIES IN ARIZONA THAT ARE CELEBR OR EVEN NATIONWIDE, BUT ARIZONA, TWO THAT ARE CELEBRATING AMERICA'S 250TH BIRTHDAY AND SOMETHING TO DO HERE IN SEDONA. 
          SO IT WAS INITIALLY PUT IN AS A PLACEHOLDER FOR THIS A HUNDRED THOUSAND AMOUNT WHEN THE IDEA OF A DRONE SHOW WAS BROUGHT UP. 
          SO WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING LIKE A CONCERT AND DRONE SHOW AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          UM, COMPLIMENTING WHAT COTTONWOOD DOES FOR FIREWORKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AS WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM, AND GOT QUOTES FOR THE DRONE SHOW AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK. 
          AS FROM FLAGSTAFF WHO ALSO DOES A DRONE SHOW, I PERSONALLY WASN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THE EXPENSE OF WHAT THAT WOULD BE. 
          FLAGSTAFF THEMSELVES PAY ABOUT 120,000 FOR THEIR 
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JULY 4TH DRONE SHOW, GETTING QUOTES. 
          IT'S ALL RIGHT ABOUT IN THAT RANGE. 
          SO I STILL BROUGHT IT TO THE CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP, GAVE THEM, HERE'S WHAT IT'S GONNA BE. 
          AND THEY WERE VERY ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THAT AS WELL WITH THAT COST FOR THAT AMOUNT. 
          SO WHAT WE DID FOR THIS EVENT IS SHIFTING ON THIS A LITTLE BIT, MAKING IT MORE OF A COMMUNITY EVENT AND HOW WE CAN PARTNER WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE VERDE VALLEY TO BRING TOGETHER A CELEBRATION FOR THE TWO 50TH. 
          IF YOU HOP ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE THERE PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WE HAVE MET WITH COTTONWOOD CLARKDALE, JEROME CAMP VERDE AS A VERDE VALLEY GROUP AND THEN ALSO WITH FLAGSTAFF A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THEY DO DO THE DRONE SHOW AS THEIR JULY 4TH BIG EVENT. 
          AND REALLY MAKING A BIG COMMUNITY CALENDAR BROCHURE OF EVERYTHING THAT HAS THAT'S GOING ON IN ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES. 
          TYPICALLY PEOPLE TRADITIONALLY FOR JULY 4TH, A LOT OF GROUPS AND FAMILIES AND PEOPLE OF ALL AGES WILL COME GO TO CLARKDALE FOR THE PARADE THAT THEY DO IN THE MORNING, COME HERE TO THE POOL, DO OUR SUMMER SPLASH EVENT THAT WE DO ANNUALLY AND THEN GO TO COTTONWOOD FOR THE FIREWORKS OR FLAGSTAFF FOR THE DRONE SHOW PORTION. 
          SO WE WANT TO, AS OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE ADDING SOME OF THEIR OTHER TWO 50TH EVENTS, PARTNER WITH SOME OF THEM AS WELL. 
          BUT ON SEDONAS END, WE REALLY WANNA PROMOTE THE LOCAL EVENTS THAT ARE GOING ON HERE. 
          SO SEDONA LIBRARY WILL BE DOING KIND OF SOME TWO 50 BINGO AND HISTORY CLASSES AND LECTURES THERE. 
          THE HERITAGE MUSEUM WILL BE HAVING SOME DIFFERENT TALKS ABOUT AMERICA'S TWO 50TH ALONG WITH SOME EXHIBITIONS THERE. 
          AND THEN RED ROCK STATE PARK IS GOING TO BE DOING, THEY'RE CALLING IT THE OUTDOORS TWO 50 AND TRAILS TWO 50. 
          THEY'RE DOING SOME MOONLIGHT HIKES BEING IN JULY, MAKING IT AT NIGHT TIME HIKES THERE. 
          UM, AND SOME DIFFERENT OUTDOOR FEATURES THERE THAT ARE PART OF THE STATEWIDE STATE PARKS GROUP. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY PEOPLE CAN COME, GO TO DEAD HORSE, GO TO RED ROCK STATE PARK, GO TO OTHERS AND THEY GET KIND OF STAMPS ON THE PASSPORT THAT THEY'RE ATTENDING THESE TWO 50TH EVENTS THAT WAY. 
          ON OUR END WITH PARKS AND RECREATION, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS DO SOME COMMUNITY POLL BANNERS THAT WE DO THROUGH 89 A AND 1 79 FOR THE TWO 50TH CELEBRATION WITH KIND OF THEIR EXAMPLE LOGO THERE. 
          SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO AT CHRISTMAS TIME, UM, WITH THE BANNERS THROUGHOUT THE STREETS. 
          SO CELEBRATING THE TWO 50TH THAT WAY WE PART OF THE CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP. 
          AND THEN CONSTANT FEEDBACK THAT WE GET IS WITH THE RED DIRT CONCERT SERIES THAT EVERYONE SEEMS TO LOVE SO MUCH IS SOME EXTRA COMMUNITY CONCERTS. 
          AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THE CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP PUSHED FOR TOO. 
          SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS THOSE EXTRA COMMUNITY CONCERTS, WHICH WOULD BE AN EXTRA DAY AT THE END OF THOSE. 
          SO IT'D BE THE LAST SATURDAY IN MAY. 
          AND THEN THE FIRST SATURDAY IN SEPTEMBER. 
          THAT'LL BE KIND OF A FIRST, UH, FULL DAY CONCERT EVENT THERE WHERE WE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE ALCOHOL, FOOD TRUCKS ON SITE AND REALLY MAKE IT A FULL DAY EVENT ALONG WITH THE CONCERT THERE. 
          AND THEN CONTINUE TO HOLD OUR POPULAR 4TH OF JULY SUMMER SPLASH EVENT, ADD A TWO 50TH THEME IN THERE. 
          AND THEN AS KIND OF A FUN EXTRA EVENT IN THERE THAT WE'RE THINKING OF IS DOING THIS COMMUNITY SUMMER SKATE EVENT. 
          SO THERE'S A SYNTHETIC ICE SKATING RINK THAT WE CAN GET AND WOULD PARTNER AS PART OF OUR JULY 4TH EVENT, DOING IT IN THE SCHOOL PARKING LOT THERE AND HAVING, THEY'D BRING ICE, LIKE THE ICE SKATES THEMSELVES, STAFF THAT WOULD RUN IT, SET UP THE SKATING RINK AND THEN WE'D DO IT THAT WHOLE WEEK OF PROBABLY JULY 1ST TO JULY 5TH AND PEOPLE COULD COME TRY ICE SKATING. 
          'CAUSE PROBABLY A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY EITHER MOVE FROM PLACES WHERE THEY USED TO DO THAT OR HAVE NEVER TRIED IT. 
          SO IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE PART OF OUR JULY 4TH EVENT AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEN SOMETHING FUN FOR THE COMMUNITY DURING THAT WEEK TO THAT WE'D BRAND WITH THAT TWO 50TH AND HAVE A SUMMER SKATING CELEBRATION THERE ALONG WITH THE POOL. 
          SO THAT IS KIND OF OUR IDEA FOR WHERE WE'D GO WITH THIS. 
          AND THEN IN PARTNERSHIP WITH SOME OF THOSE OTHER COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, LAST NIGHT THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING ABOUT TOURISM AND UH, THERE WAS A A, UM, TWO PHASED, UH, SO THERE WERE TABLES AND PEOPLE SAT AT TABLES AND THEY HAD DIFFERENT, THEY HAD DIFFERENT, UM, ACTIVITIES THEY WERE LOOKING AT OF WHAT MAKES SEDONA WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT SEDONA, WHAT MAKES SEDONA SEDONA, AND THEN, UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE GAPS? AND THE TABLE THAT I WAS AT WAS COMMUNITY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ONE OF THE GAPS THAT WAS IDENTIFIED WAS A SENSE OF COMMUNITY. 
          AND ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WAS MADE WAS THAT WE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ANNUAL, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T GET THAT FAR, BUT, UM, DID WE BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER FOR EVENTS WHERE WE HAVE A PICNIC AS AN EXAMPLE AND, UH, THAT THE CITY PAYS FOR, FOR THE RESIDENTS. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DISTINGUISH RESIDENTS, BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE VERY HIGH LEVEL. 
          UH, AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING 
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IF WITHIN THIS, UH, SET OF ACTIVITIES, WE COULD DO A PIECE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE COULD HAVE A COMMUNITY PICNIC. 
          MAYBE IT'S, THERE'S A SKATE AND A PICNIC MM-HMM . 
          BUT A WAY IN WHICH THE COMMUNITY CAN GET TOGETHER AND JUST TALK TO ONE ANOTHER AND GET TO KNOW ONE ANOTHER, HAVE SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THE, WE AGREE ON MORE THAN WE DISAGREE CONCEPT. 
          SO GIVING PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET ONE ANOTHER AND TALK TO ONE ANOTHER IN A WAY THAT'S ABOUT FUN AND ABOUT COMMUNITY SPIRIT. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          AND WHETHER IT WAS A PART OF THIS OR SOMETHING SEPARATE. 
          RIGHT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          COULD DO SOMETHING. 
          AND I DID WANT TO ADD ONE THING THAT WAS KIND OF A BIG PART BECAUSE OF THAT PLACEHOLDER FOR THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN HERE, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THIS SPENDING NEARLY THAT MUCH. 
          IT WOULD PROBABLY BE CLOSER TO THE 55, 60,000 TOTAL FOR EVERYTHING. 
          UM, BUT WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TOO. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE IF THERE'S OTHER IDEAS FOR THINGS SUCH AS THAT, WE CAN HAVE WIGGLE ROOM IN THE DECISION PACKAGE FOR THAT TOO. 
          OKAY, CHARLOTTE AND THEN KATHY. 
          WELL THESE ARE ALL GREAT IDEAS. 
          I REALLY DO LIKE DRONE SHOWS TOO. 
          BUT ANYWAY, UM, MY, MY QUESTION SINCE JULY 4TH IS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR, DON'T YOU NEED THIS MONEY NOW  AS OPPOSED TO STARTING JULY 1ST? YES. 
          SO SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE THE POLE BANNERS AND THING, A FEW OF THOSE WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR AHEAD OF TIME. 
          UM, BUT FOR THE SKATING RINK AND SOME OF THOSE, WE'D BE ABLE TO HAVE THEM BILL US AFTER THE EVENT. 
          SO IT WOULD FALL THAT WAY SINCE THE WHOLE, THAT PORTION AND SET UP AND EVERYTHING WOULD TAKE PLACE AFTER THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          BUT YES, IDEALLY IT WOULD BE SPENDING SOME IN THIS FISCAL YEAR AS WELL. 
          I MEAN, I'M THINKING OF FISCAL 26 YES. 
          CONTINGENCY MONEY. 
          BUT, UM, AND JUST TO ADD ON TO THE PICNIC IDEA, I COULD SEE LIKE, UM, UM, FOOD TRUCK FOOD TRUCKS THERE AND THE CITY SUBSIDIZES, YOU KNOW, TICKETS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, YOU SIGN IN, YOU GET YOUR $5, $7 TICKET, WHATEVER IT IS, PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO BRING THEIR OWN FOOD. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A VARIETY OF FOOD. 
          ANYWAY, I, THESE ARE ALL NICE IDEAS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          FOR YOUR CREATIVITY. 
          SORRY, WHAT WAS THE LAST THING? THANKS FOR YOUR CREATIVITY. 
          OH, . 
          THANK YOU KATHY. 
          UH, I LIKE THE IDEA OF SOME SORT OF RESIDENT APPRECIATION EVENT. 
          UM, I, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO LEGAL COUNSEL ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IN TERMS OF TICKETS AND WHATEVER. 
          'CAUSE IS THERE A ISSUE WITH THAT AT ALL? SOMETHING THAT WAS FREE? NO, NO. 
          AS LONG AS IT'S FREE. 
          IF IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND, AND YOU CAN CHARGE DIFFERENT RATES FOR, OR NO RATES FOR, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS VERSUS NON-RESIDENTS FOR DIFFERENT ITEMS. RIGHT. 
          SO THAT HAS IT BECOME A RESIDENT APPRECIATION EVENT IF IT'S OPEN TO, UH, OUR VISITING POPULATION IS ALSO AT NO COST. 
          SO IT'S HOW DO YOU DESIGNATE IT AS RESIDENT APPRECIATION? SO THAT WAS WHERE I WAS GOING. 
          SO JUST TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AND BE CAREFUL OF THAT IN PLANNING. 
          AND THE SECOND THING IS, UM, H HOW MUCH WOULD THIS SKATE EVENT COST? BECAUSE HAVE YOU TESTED ONE OF THESE SYNTHETIC RINKS? BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ON ONE. 
          IT IS NOTHING LIKE ICE SKATING AND IT'S NOT, IT IS NOTHING LIKE ICE SKATING AT ALL. 
          SO I YES. 
          OTHER THAN YOU'RE USING YOUR LEGS IN THE SAME MOTION. 
          I MEAN, BUT THERE IS NO, THE, THERE'S NOT A SIMILAR FEELING AT ALL. 
          I, THE CASINO IN CAMP VERDE DOES ONE USUALLY THAT I HAVE BEEN ON AND IT IS VERY POOR. 
          LIKE YOU WERE SAYING THAT IT'S NOT THE SAME WAY. 
          THE ONE THAT WE WOULD WORK THROUGH IS CALLED EXTRA ICE AND IT IS ONE THAT A LOT OF THE NHL HOCKEY TEAMS USE AS WELL AS SOME OF THE FIGURE SKATING COMPETITIONS USED IN THE SUMMER FOR SOME OF THEIR AT-HOME. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE NHL PLAYERS HAVE LITTLE AT-HOME RINKS THAT THEY'D USE OUTSIDE IN THE SUMMER. 
          SO IT'S AS CLOSE AS IT GETS WITH THE BEST SCENARIO THERE. 
          I HAVE NOT TRIED THIS EXACT BRAND. 
          OKAY. 
          AS LONG AS THAT BECAUSE THE ONE I WAS ON WAS, THERE WAS AN EVENT AND IT WAS AT OCK SEVERAL YEARS AGO. 
          OKAY. 
          WHEN THEY HAD THE SYNTHETIC RINK. 
          AND IF IT'S SIMILAR TO THAT, EVERYBODY USERS WERE GETTING VERY DISCOURAGED. 
          SO I DON'T WANNA DO AN EVENT THAT ENDS UP WITH PEOPLE BEING LIKE, WELL THAT SUCKED  FAIR. 
          I WANT, I WANT PEOPLE TO WALK AWAY FROM SEDONA SPONSORED EVENT SAYING THAT WAS GREAT. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          OR HURT, BUT DON'T WANNA BE HURT. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS, MELISSA? SO, SO THIS GOES TO THE, HOW DO YOU KNOW RESIDENTS FROM NON-RESIDENTS AND, AND UM, I KNOW IN A LOT OF OUR EVENTS THAT ARE SUPER POPULAR, THEY'RE NOT RESIDENTS WHO COME, BUT THE RESIDENTS OF THE VALLEY, RIGHT. 
          VERDE VALLEY, NOT THE PHOENIX VALLEY. 
          AND UM, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER, IS WORKING WITH OUR OTHER 
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NEIGHBORING AREAS TO SPLIT THE COSTS WITH US. 
          UM, JUST ON THE KNOWLEDGE THAT A LOT OF THEIR RESIDENTS WILL ATTEND SOME OF THESE EVENTS AS WELL. 
          UM, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE RESIDENT APPRECIATION SORTS OF EVENTS, IT'S MAYBE SOMETHING THAT IF YOU DON'T SEND IT OUT, TICKETS OUT OR POSTCODES OR WHATEVER IT IS TO EVERY HOUSE, WHICH RAISES THE COST OF HAVING THE EVENT IN THE FIRST PLACE, MAYBE WE DO SOMETHING THAT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, VERDE VALLEY, UM, AND, AND SORT OF HAVE EVERYONE COME AND, AND SHARE THE COST EVEN IF WE HOST IT. 
          IT'S JUST ANOTHER IDEA OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE A PRETTY CONJOINED SET OF COMMUNITIES. 
          A LOT OF US SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME IN FLAGSTAFF AND WE SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME IN COTTONWOOD. 
          UM, AND WE PASSED THROUGH CLARKDALE ON THE WAY TO ROME. 
          SO, UM, IT'S JUST, IT WAS JUST AN IDEA THAT MAYBE TO YOUR THOUGHT OF EXPANDING THIS OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, THE BROADER COMMUNITY OF THE VERDE VALLEY, THAT WE START TO THINK ABOUT OURSELVES AS THIS BROADER COMMUNITY AS WELL AND START TO THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          NOT JUST IN TERMS OF PROJECTS WE WANNA DO, BUT ALSO JUST OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I WILL SAY WITH JULY 4TH, ONE CHALLENGE WITH THAT WOULD BE AS PART OF COTTONWOODS EVENT THAT THEY'VE DONE FOR YEARS, THEY DO FREE FOOD. 
          SO THEY DO FREE FOOD FOR EVERYONE, RESIDENT, NON-RESIDENT, YOU COME THROUGH AND THEY DO THE HOT DOGS, HAMBURGERS, CHIPS, SODA KIND OF MEAL. 
          SO THEY ALREADY DO HAVE THAT AS A FREE ASPECT OF THEIR EVENT. 
          SO ASKING THEM TO CONTRIBUTE ON OUR FOOD END MIGHT BE A LITTLE TRICKY THERE, BUT IF IT'S A DIFFERENT TIME OR DIFFERENT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, CER CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO. 
          OKAY. 
          JOSH, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I SUGGEST WE TAKE A BREAK FOR FIVE MINUTES. 
          YES. 
          WE'RE 50 MINUTES BEHIND IN OUR SCHEDULE, SO, SO CORRECT. 
          AND, UH, WE DO HAVE EXTRA TIME TOMORROW, SO I DON'T WANT YOU ALL TO GET TOO NERVOUS ABOUT BEING A LITTLE BIT OVER TIME. 
          SO WE ARE OKAY. 
          WE ARE DOING OKAY. 
          I'LL LET US STRESS IT. 
          I'LL START PANICKING OVER HERE BEFORE WE, WE'LL RUN AMUCK THANK YOU MINUTE BUTTON AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE YEAR TO DATE FY 26 AND FORECAST AND STERLING, WHERE IS THAT IN OUR BOOK? IS THAT IN THE MATERIAL YOU GAVE US THIS MORNING? UM, HE'S, SO THE NEXT REVENUE WILL BE PAGE 24 OF THE BUDGET MEMO. 
          SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          UH, THE REVENUE SLIDE WILL BE PAGE 24 IN THE BUDGET MEMO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THAT WHERE WE'RE STARTING? OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO 
          [3.c. Year-to-Date Review]
LOOKING AT OUR YEAR TO DATE NUMBERS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, FISCAL 26, WE HAVE A PERFORMANCE SO FAR YEAR TO DATE REALLY IN, UM, REALLY IN GOOD SHAPE. 
          UH, OUR YEAR TO DATE IS AT 40 MILLION APPROXIMATELY OF A BUDGET OF 66.5. 
          WE ANTICIPATE FOR THE FULL YEAR BEING CLOSER TO 70 MILLION FOR TOTAL REVENUE. 
          AND THAT'S, UM, THAT DIFFERENCE IS MOSTLY THAT TWO MONTHS DIFFERENT WITH, UH, SALES AND BED TAXES COMES IN TWO MONTHS IN ARRES. 
          HERE'S OUR SALES AND BED TAX, UM, THROUGH JANUARY. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE FEBRUARY NOW, HAVEN'T SENT THE EMAIL YET, BUT WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T SENT THAT OUT YET. 
          BUT IT IS, UM, IT SHOWS A BIT OF A DIP IN FEBRUARY, BUT WE THINK THAT THAT'S TO DO WITH SPECIFIC DELINQUENCIES. 
          PEOPLE THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY PAYING EVERY MONTH. 
          WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT MORE ANALYSIS OF THAT, OF WHAT'S COMING IN WHEN, SO WE CAN'T SPEAK TO LIKE WHO'S PAYING, BUT WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME HOTELS THAT, YOU KNOW, AREN'T NECESSARILY PAYING MONTHLY. 
          SO WE SEE SOME UPS AND DOWNS, BUT FOR THE YEAR TO DATE, WE'RE 12% OVER BUDGET FOR BOTH SALES AND BED TAX. 
          AND WE'RE 5% OVER LAST YEAR'S PERFORMANCE YEAR TO DATE. 
          SO WE, WE ARE DOING, UM, BETTER THAN WE ANTICIPATED IN BOTH THOSE CATEGORIES. 
          HERE'S OUR EXPENDITURES YEAR TO DATE AND THEN THE FORECAST. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE, OUR BUDGET IS ABOUT 61 MILLION, WE'RE ABOUT 35 AND A HALF AND WE ANTICIPATE ENDING THE YEAR AT ABOUT 50. 
          SO WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA END THE YEAR WITH 10 AND A HALF TO $11 MILLION, UM, 
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EXTRA, IF YOU WILL, BETWEEN WHAT WAS BUDGETED FOR EXPENDITURES AND WHAT'S BEING COLLECTED. 
          AND SORT OF THE SAME, I'M GOING BACK TO REVENUE. 
          SIMILAR WITH REVENUE, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT $3 MILLION MORE THAN BUDGET AT THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          SO WE ARE, OUR PERFORMANCE, UM, FOR THE YEAR IS ANTICIPATED TO PUT SIGNIFICANT MONEY INTO OUR FUND BALANCE AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WHICH OF COURSE WE WON'T HAVE THAT FINAL NUMBER UNTIL WE AUDITS COMPLETE IN DECEMBER, BUT THAT'S OUR, OUR FORECAST AT THIS POINT. 
          SO UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I DID THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SET THAT AS SORT OF CONTEXT AND IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU WANNA SAY LET'S FUND IT THIS YEAR. 
          I THINK KNOWING THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT SPACE IN THAT EXPENDITURE BUDGET, UM, LIKE FEEL, FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THAT. 
          IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SCHEDULE BETWEEN NOW AND JUNE 30TH, WE DEFINITELY HAVE BUDGET CAPACITY TO DO THAT. 
          BARBARA? UM, YES MA'AM. 
          I THINK IN LAST WEEK YOU MADE MENTION OF THE LEASED VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE ARE, HAVE WE PAID OFF EVERYTHING THAT CAN BE PAID OFF? DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH, SO ALL LEASED VEHICLES ARE PAID OFF. 
          WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF FINANCE PURCHASED VEHICLES THAT THE CITY IS STILL PAYING FOR. 
          UM, SOME BEING THE V TRUCK. 
          WE DO HAVE OUR, UM, PRIOR PURCHASED CITY STREET SWEEPER AND THAT FINAL PAYMENT WILL BE AN FY 27. 
          UH, BUT ALL LEASED VEHICLES THROUGH ENTERPRISE HAVE BEEN PAID OFF. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT BRIAN, I THINK TAGGING ONTO THAT, I MEAN WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE, THE BUDGET DOCS, THERE WAS, UH, A NUMBER OF FINANCED ITEMS THAT WERE STILL MAKING PAYMENTS ON, NOT NECESSARILY VEHICLES, BUT THINGS WERE PAYING ON WHERE THAT INTEREST RATE IS IN FACT HIGHER THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING ON OUR MONEY IN THE BANK. 
          SO I ASSUME AT SOME POINT IN HERE WE'RE GONNA COVER WHERE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE TO GO AHEAD AND SAY, YEAH, WE COULD PAY THOSE THINGS OFF AND THE GENERAL SERVICES BUDGET. 
          YEAH, WE CAN, UH, LOOK AT THOSE WHEN WE GET TO THE GENERAL SERVICES BUDGET MM-HMM . 
          AND WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT ANYTHING AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, PAYING OFF AHEAD OF TIME, UM, BECAUSE WE DID GET ALL THE VEHICLES PAID OFF. 
          BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DO HAVE OTHER FINANCE PURCHASES THAT ARE PROBABLY ELIGIBLE FOR EARLY PAYMENT, UNLIKE BONDS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          WE'RE, WE'RE LOCKED IN UNTIL WE HAVE THAT DATE, SO YEAH. 
          AS LONG AS THERE'S NO PREPAYMENT PENALTY. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          KATHY, SO, UM, BACK ON YOUR SLIDE WITH THE REVENUE CATEGORIES, THE TOTAL FOR THE END OF YEAR IS AROUND 70,000, BUT THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE THIS YEAR IS 103. 
          WHERE'S THE DIFFERENCE? 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET SO THE REVENUES DON'T EQUAL. 
          YEAH, THIS IS, UH, THE OPERATING ONLY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THESE, AND THESE REVENUES ARE THE OPERATING REVENUES THAT COME IN. 
          AND THEN OUR OPERATING BUDGET IS THAT 61 MILLION. 
          SO WE HAVE LIKE 66 AND 61 WHERE THE BUDGET, THE CAPITAL BUDGET IS ACTUALLY COVERED THROUGH OUR SAVINGS THAT WE'VE SET ASIDE OVER THE YEARS SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT PURPOSE. 
          SO WHILE THE BUDGET IS HIGHER THAN OUR OPERATING REVENUE COMING IN, OUR OPERATING ONGOING COSTS ARE COVERED BY ONGOING REVENUE. 
          AND THEN WE USE THAT SAVINGS ACCOUNT, BASICALLY OUR FUND BALANCE. 
          THAT IS NOT POLICY FUND BALANCE. 
          THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          NOT THOSE POLICY RESERVES, BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE PROJECTS. 
          KIND OF LIKE, UM, AND I KNOW YOU ALL WILL GET THIS, BUT ANYBODY WATCHING FROM HOME, IT'S IMPORTANT TO LIKE UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT. 
          LIKE IF YOU OWN A HOME AND YOU WANNA DO A KITCHEN RENOVATION, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO TAKE OUT A LOAN, YOU COULD CHOOSE TO PUT IT ON A CREDIT CARD, OR YOU COULD CHOOSE TO SAVE MONEY OVER TIME. 
          BONDS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO LIKE TAKING OUT A LOAN LIKE A HELOC OR SOMETHING. 
          AND IN OUR CASE WE DO MORE CASH FUNDING. 
          SO WE BASICALLY BUILD UP A SAVINGS ACCOUNT AND THEN WE SPEND IT ON THE PROJECT THAT WE WANNA SPEND IT ON. 
          SO THAT'S ONE WAY TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN SHOW A BUDGET OF 103 MILLION WITH REVENUE COMING IN AT 70 AND NOT BE ACTUALLY SPENDING MORE THAN WE HAVE BECAUSE WE'VE CREATED THOSE SAVINGS ACCOUNTS SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE ONE TIME PROJECTS THAT COME UP. 
          THAT WAS VERY, VERY CLEAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, CARRY ON. 
          OKAY, 
          [3.d. FY 27 Budget Development and Zero-Base Budgeting]
SO BUDGET DEVELOPMENT, A LOT OF THIS YOU SAW LAST WEEK AND IT'S JUST KIND OF REVIEWING AND WE DID ADD PAGE NUMBERS TO EVERYTHING, UH, PETE WANTED THAT, HOPEFULLY IT'S HELPFUL FOR EVERYBODY. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S HELPFUL FOR US. 
          SO HERE'S OUR OPERATING AND CAPITAL 
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BUDGET OVER TIME FOR THE LAST, I GUESS 12, 13 YEARS. 
          AND WE ARE BRINGING THAT NUMBER DOWN NEXT YEAR, BOTH IN THE INTEREST OF LAKE, YOU KNOW, SPENDING LESS AND ALSO STAFF CAPACITY TO REALLY COMPLETE THOSE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET. 
          AND THIS IS OUR EXECUTION RATE IN THE TOTAL BUDGET OVER TIME, LIKE YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR ACTUALS COME IN MAYBE AROUND 75, 80% OF THE TOTAL BUDGET. 
          AND THIS IS PART OF WHAT DROVE US TO REALLY LOOK AT ZERO BASED BUDGETING TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE BUDGETING HERE AND WE'RE SPENDING HERE IS, ARE THERE SOME THINGS IN THAT BUDGET THAT NEED TO COME DOWN THAT WE NEED TO EXAMINE? AND SO WE SPENT, UM, AS, AS I KNOW I MENTIONED LAST WEEK, HUNDREDS OF HOURS REALLY ANALYZING ALL THE BUDGETS. 
          AND THEN THIS IS THE BUDGET AND RESERVES. 
          THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. 
          SO WE START THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR, WE WILL HAVE BEGINNING FUND BALANCE OF ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS OF THAT, ABOUT 61 ARE THOSE POLICY RESERVES THAT WE DON'T TOUCH. 
          WE'RE LIKE, THESE ARE IMPORTANT RESERVES FOR EMERGENCIES, FOR SPECIFIC INITIATIVES LIKE THE HOUSING RESERVES, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE'RE SAYING. 
          WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THESE UNLESS THERE'S A SPECIFIC REASON TO DO SO. 
          SO THAT LEAVES US WITH AN UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE OR SAVINGS ACCOUNT OF ABOUT 39 MILLION AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING ABOUT 68 AND A HALF MILLION IN REVENUE. 
          AND THAT'S HOLDING SALES TAX AND BED TAX BUDGETS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THEY'VE BEEN THIS YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE TO MAINTAIN THAT SORT OF PRUDENT BUDGETING OF THOSE MORE VOLATILE REVENUE STREAMS. THEN OUR EXPENDITURES, OUR BASE OPERATING EXPENDITURES ARE ANTICIPATED TO BE 58.3 AND THAT LEAVES US AN OPERATING SURPLUS OF 10.1 MILLION AND SAVINGS OVERALL OF ABOUT 49 MILLION. 
          THEN YOU TAKE OUT LIKE CAPITAL OR IF WE WANNA DO DECISION PACKAGES AND YOU FIGURE THAT IN AND WE'RE SPENDING SOME OF THOSE SAVINGS, WE WOULD BE SPENDING OF THAT SAVINGS ABOUT 26 MILLION AND WE WOULD END THE YEAR WITH THAT. 
          UH, NOT POLICY RESERVE, BUT AGAIN, JUST SORT OF THAT SAVINGS ACCOUNT OF 12.5 MILLION. 
          SO NOW ONTO ZERO BASED BUDGETING. 
          AND THESE NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE EXAMPLES OF HOW THAT WORKED. 
          AND I KNOW THAT THESE ARE SMALL AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT IT REALLY IS TO GIVE CONTEXT TO WHAT DID DEPARTMENTS DO WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THESE, WHEN THEY LOOKED AT EACH LINE ITEM. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE JUST THREE LINE ITEMS WITHIN ONE PROGRAM. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT TOURISM AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES, THAT'S THE PROGRAM, AND YOU JUST HAVE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, OPERA, UH, OPERATING EXPENSES, ADVERTISING, AND THEN DOS AND SUBSCRIPTIONS. 
          AND WITHIN THAT, ALL THOSE LINE ITEMS WERE CONSIDERED FOR EXACTLY HOW MUCH THEY NEEDED AND, AND WHY. 
          SO THAT'S ONE DEPARTMENT, ONE PROGRAM RATHER. 
          AND THEN HERE IS PLANNING, THIS IS PROF, THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CATEGORY FOR THE PLANNING, UM, DIVISION OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          THIS ONE HAS EVEN MORE DETAIL IN SOME OF THEIR, THEIR ITEMS. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NOTES BY, UH, INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEES. 
          THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS SAYING THIS IS HALF FUNDED, LOCALLY, HALF FUNDED WITH A MATCHING GRANT. 
          UM, ALL OF THAT WAS REALLY, UM, I GUESS LOOKING AT THIS, WHAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS WE REALLY DID LOOK AT EVERY LINE ITEM AND CONSIDER EXACTLY HOW MUCH WE NEEDED TO BUDGET FOR IT. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE ALL THESE HOURS THAT WE SPENT SORT OF WENT TO. 
          AND THIS THIRD ONE IS PARKS AND RECREATION'S, AQUATICS PROGRAM AND YOU KNOW, IT GETS, IT GETS REALLY SMALL LIKE DOWN TO $360, $290 AND YOU KNOW, VARIOUS SMALL THINGS AND THEN REALLY CLEAR REASONS FOR EACH ONE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WANT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE, TO THE PROPOSED. 
          BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT EXAMPLES OF ZERO BASED BUDGETING, BARBARA, I SAW IT PRESENTED AS, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED THAT, THAT WE JUST LOOKED AT HERE AND THEN, UH, WHAT'S ALREADY IN OUR, UH, BUDGET BOOKS. 
          BUT THEN IT WAS SHOWING THAT COUNCILS 
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WOULD BE PRESENTED DECISION PACKAGES ESSENTIALLY FOR EVERYTHING. 
          LIKE RIGHT NOW, DECISION PACKAGES ARE ESSENTIALLY INCREMENTAL TO WHAT IS IN THE BUDGET, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A ZERO BASED BUDGET. 
          BUT WHAT I SAW WAS WHERE COUNCIL ACTUALLY WAS SIGNING OFF ON LIKE THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH VARIOUS SERVICE LEVELS, FOR INSTANCE. 
          UM, UH, WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD EXAMPLE I SAW, LIKE IF YOU HAD IN-HOUSE WASTE HAULING FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT? LIKE TIER ONE, TIER TWO, TIER ONE, TIER TWO, TIER THREE, WHAT'S COUNCIL WANT TO SIGN OFF ON? SO WAS THAT AT ALL PART OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS HERE? DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNSELOR. 
          FOLTZ. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S LIKE THE NEXT ITERATION WE COULD GET TO. 
          UM, OUR PREVIOUS, UH, ACCOUNTING SOFTWARE DOESN'T ALLOW US TO TIE THE PERFORMANCE METRICS TOGETHER WITH THE EXPENDITURES, BUT THE ONE WE'RE IMPLEMENTING RIGHT NOW WILL, AND SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET TO THOSE TYPES OF, UM, DECISION MAKING, UM, APPLICATION TO THE BUDGET. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          IT BECOMES MORE TRADE OFF ORIENTED IN A SENSE. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT SERVICE LEVEL DO YOU REALLY WANT TO PROVIDE AND RIGHT, OR, OR ARE YOU GETTING WHAT YOU EXPECTED? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IF WE KNOW WE HAVE SO MANY MILES OF ROAD TO MAINTAIN AND WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH MONEY, DO YOU WANT TO SAY WE'RE ONLY GONNA DO 85% OF THE ROAD MILES KNOWING THAT THIS IS THE POTENTIAL OUTCOME BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA SPEND WHATEVER AMOUNT OF MONEY OVER HERE BECAUSE WE WANNA INCREASE. 
          I MEAN, ALL OF THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN DO IN THE FUTURE ONCE WE GET THE CRP IN PLACE, SO, OKAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THANKS ANNETTE. 
          THANK YOU BARBARA. 
          SO AS WE GET INTO THE 27 PROPOSED BUDGET, UM, WE GO FROM A 26, UH, BUDGET OF 61.2 TO A FISCAL YEAR 27 OPERATING BUDGET OF 58.4. 
          AND THOSE ARE JUST SOME BIG CATEGORIES OF CHANGES. 
          AND THEN WITHIN THE, THESE ARE THE OPERATING DEPARTMENTS, AND I SEPARATED THIS INTO THIS SLIDE IS OPERATING, AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE IS SUPPORT FUNCTIONS. 
          AND THAT'S BECAUSE WHILE THEY'RE ALL PART OF OPERATIONS, YOU HAVE THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, OUT THERE DOING AN AQUATICS PROGRAM PROVIDING WASTEWATER TREATMENT VERSUS, UM, HR, FINANCE, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE MORE SUPPORT BACKGROUND FUNCTIONS, IF YOU WILL. 
          AND LOOKING AT HOW EACH OF THOSE IS CHANGING. 
          AND WE'LL GO INTO EACH DEPARTMENT, BUT THIS IS JUST A BIGGER PICTURE. 
          AND THE OPERATING DEPARTMENTS DECREASED BY TOTAL OF 4% AND THE SUPPORT FUNCTIONS BY 6%. 
          UM, THAT SUPPORT FUNCTION DECREASES, MOSTLY DRIVEN BY THE GENERAL SERVICES DECREASE IN, UH, DEBT SERVICE. 
          AND IF I CAN CLARIFY, MY BUDGET IS ONLY GROWING BECAUSE OF THE STAFF REORGANIZATION AND MOVING POSITIONS OUT OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND MOVING THINGS AROUND. 
          SO IT'S NOT, IT LOOKS LIKE A REALLY BIG NUMBER FOR CITY MANAGER ON THAT, BUT IT'S A COMPANY BY OTHER OFFSETS AND REDUCTIONS IN OTHER PLACES DUE TO THE REORG. 
          EXACTLY. 
          UH, BARBARA, DO THESE OPERATING DEPARTMENT BUDGETS REFLECT DECISION PACKAGES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN APPROVED YET? NO. 
          NO. 
          SO WHY WOULD THE MUNICIPAL COURT BE UP 8%? UM, WE'LL GET INTO THE MUNICIPAL COURT, BUT THAT'S MOSTLY DRIVEN BY SALARY AND WAGES FROM THE, UH, COMPENSATION STUDY THAT WAS DONE LAST YEAR AND THEN JUST MAKING IT TRUE UP TO WHAT THE ACTUAL WAGES ARE THIS YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU STERLING. 
          YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK, JUST TO REMIND YOU ALL THAT WE HAD BUDGETED THAT POTENTIAL COST OF THE SALARY STUDY EVENLY ACROSS ALL THE DEPARTMENTS BASED ON HOW MANY POSITIONS AND, AND, AND A PERCENTAGE THAT WOULD BE THE SAME FOR EVERYONE. 
          SOME DEPARTMENTS SAW MUCH LARGER INCREASES, OTHERS SAW VERY LITTLE. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT TRUE UP IN EVERY DEPARTMENT AND SOME WILL LOOK LIKE THERE'S NO ANYTHING HAPPENING TO SALARIES AND WAGES AND SOME WILL LOOK REALLY HIGH. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, THAT IS IT, AND IT'S ALSO SOME OF THE REORGS. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THROUGHOUT. 
          AND THEN THIS IS JUST AN INTERESTING SLIDE THAT SHOWS YOU WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE OPERATING BUDGET ARE THE VARIOUS, UH, DEPARTMENTS. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS ONE'S 
          [3.e. Expenditures by Category (Salaries & Stipends, Benefits, Debt Service)]
DIVIDED SAME OPERATING BUDGET, BUT DIVIDED INTO THE SORT OF CATEGORIES OF EXPENDITURE. 
          AND WE'RE 
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NOT GONNA GO INTO ALL THE CATEGORIES, UM, 'CAUSE I, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S REALLY BENEFICIAL, BUT WE ARE GONNA MOVE INTO TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY LIKE SALARIES AND STIPENDS AND THE, UM, BENEFITS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT. 
          SO WITHIN THE CITY, OUR TOTAL BUDGET FOR, YOU KNOW, SALARIES AND STIPENDS, WHICH IS WAGES OVER TIME. 
          SO ALL THAT STUFF IS ABOUT 17.7 MILLION OR 30%. 
          AND THE RELATED BENEFITS ARE ABOUT 12% OF THE BUDGET. 
          SO THAT BRINGS US TO A TOTAL OF THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR OUR PERSONNEL COSTS OF 42%. 
          WHEN WE LOOK AT A NATIONAL INDEX, THE AVERAGE FOR THAT IS 50 TO 70%, OFTEN AS MUCH AS 80 OR MORE. 
          SO THAT TELLS US ACTUALLY TWO THINGS THAT 42% SAYS WE ARE LEAN AND WE OPERATE EFFICIENTLY, BUT IT ALSO SAYS WE DON'T HAVE STAFF CAPACITY TO TAKE ON A WHOLE LOT MORE BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE ABLE TO OPERATE WITH PERSONNEL AT THAT LEVEL, YOUR, YOUR PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY DOING MORE THAN IN A CITY WHERE IT'S 70 OR 75% WAGES, WAGES DRIVEN. 
          UM, AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY IT'S BAD. 
          I'M NOT SAYING IT'S BAD. 
          I'M SAYING WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING REALLY WELL AND THIS IS A GOOD METRIC THAT SAYS WE, WE ARE EFFICIENT IN OUR USE OF OF PERSONNEL, BUT NATIONALLY THERE IT IS A MUCH HIGHER NUMBER. 
          BRIAN, BARBARA, WOULD THAT COMPARISON INCLUDE USE OF, UH, DEBT, UH, DEBT SERVICE? WOULD THAT BE CALCULATED INTO THAT DO YOU THINK INTO PERSONNEL COSTS OF PERCENT OF TOTAL OPERATING THE, THE TOTAL OPERATING BUDGET, WOULD THAT INCLUDE DEBT SERVICE? YEAH, OPERATING BUDGETS WOULD ALSO INCLUDE DEBT SERVICE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND OUR DEBT SERVICE WOULD BE CONSIDERED RELATIVELY LOW, I WOULD SAY, RIGHT? YES. 
          AND CERTAINLY COMPARED TO A NATIONAL AVERAGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT EVEN MAKES THE COMPARISON MORE FAVORABLE IN THEORY. 
          YES. 
          DO WE BY CHANCE HAVE A COMPARISON LIKE THAT WITH ANY OF OUR SISTER CITIES IN THE VERDE VALLEY OR ANY OTHER PEER CITIES? I'M GONNA LET RUSS HEY RUSS , DID YOU HEAR THAT? I DID. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S, I DON'T HAVE YESTERDAY'S NUMBERS. 
          I HAVE THE DAY BEFORE THAT FROM CAMP VERDE AND WHEN I SAW THIS, I WAS LIKE, WE'RE DOUBLE THAT IN CAMP VERDE AND SOME OF THAT MAY BE REVENUE BASED, RIGHT? AND THE LACK OF ABILITY TO DO MUCH ELSE THAN JUST HAVE THE PERSONNEL TO DO SERVICES. 
          SO KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT THAT WAS ALWAYS MY REFERENCE THERE, BUT 80% IS IN MY MIND WHERE I WAS AT. 
          SO I JUST WAS ALMOST SHOCKED THAT THAT WAS A REALITY HERE. 
          SO I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT YOU WELL, IT, IT'S SIGNIFICANT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF SENSITIVITY IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY LOOK AT HEADCOUNT AND GO, WHOA. 
          AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THIS FOR SOME CONTEXT AND GO, WHOA, BUT IN A DIFFERENT WAY, RIGHT? SO ANYTHING WE CAN HAVE TO JUST BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST COMPARED TO A NATIONAL AVERAGE, BUT TO PEER CITIES EITHER IN THE VALLEY OR OTHER TOURISM RELATED COMMUNITIES LIKE OURS, I THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE YEAH. 
          PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND SEEAND, IF I CAN GATHER THAT IN THE NEXT FEW AND MAYBE GET BACK TO YOU ON WHAT I FIND. 
          YEP. 
          BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE DOING THE SAME KIND OF BUDGETARY PROCESS, SHOULD BE ABLE TO KICK OUT A NUMBER PRETTY QUICK. 
          SO. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RUSS. 
          ARE YOU SAYING THAT CAMP VERDE IS, IS AT 80% THE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY? SO A COUPLE YEARS AGO THAT'S, THAT WAS THE CASE THAT MOST OF OURS, THERE AGAIN, DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF DEBT SERVICE EVEN AT THAT POINT EITHER, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES IN EITHER CAPACITY. 
          BUT TO SERVE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD POLICE DEPARTMENT, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          THOSE SERVICES ARE JUST PEOPLE COSTS. 
          AND SO ULTIMATELY THAT'S WHY MOST CITIES ARE AT THAT 50 TO 70% BECAUSE THE PEOPLE COST IS WHAT YOU DO. 
          YOU'RE IN A SERVICE BASED INDUSTRY VERSUS A LOT OF COMMUNITIES DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO CAPITAL TO THE LEVEL THAT OTHERS DO. 
          I'LL JUST SAY IT THAT WAY. 
          YEARS AGO I RAN A STATE AGENCY AND OUR PERSONNEL TO EVERYTHING ELSE WAS 90%. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I'M PROBABLY GONNA END UP CALLING YOU RIGHT BACK IN A SECOND HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS JUST SOME CONTEXT NATIONALLY. 
          THESE NEXT THREE SIDES, THREE SLIDES, EXCUSE ME. 
          UM, THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN TRENDS AS WE'VE SEEN KIND OF MORE CHALLENGING ECONOMIC TIMES TO GIVE WHAT ARE CALLED PEANUT BUTTER INCREASES. 
          I HAD NEVER HEARD OF THAT BEFORE, BUT I WAS LIKE, OH, OKAY. 
          UM, BUT APPARENTLY, UM, ESPECIALLY IN CORPORATIONS, 
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THEY STARTED JUST ADDING THESE LITTLE INCREMENTAL COLA RAISES THAT THEY THOUGHT, OKAY, THESE ARE MORE EGALITARIAN BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S FACING THESE CHALLENGES. 
          UM, BUT THEN WHAT THEY FOUND WAS THAT THAT CREATES A DISCONNECT, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GIVING EVERYBODY ESSENTIALLY THE SAME INCREASE. 
          SO THE TOP PERFORMERS, THEN YOU'RE NOT REALLY ALIGNING WITH A GOAL OF ATTRACTING AND RETAINING TOP TALENT. 
          SO NOW THERE'S A SHIFT BACK THE OTHER WAY. 
          AND IT'S INTERESTING 'CAUSE THIS HAS ALL HAPPENED WITHIN THE LAST LIKE 18 MONTHS THAT WE SAW THIS LIKE, OH, WE NEED TO DO THESE PEANUT BUTTER RAISES. 
          AND NOW WE'RE SAYING, OOH, MAYBE THAT'S NOT A GREAT IDEA. 
          SO WE'RE STARTING TO SEE MORE MERIT DRIVEN COMPENSATION WITH LESS POPULARITY OF JUST THE COLAS. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING THING. 
          AND THEN I WAS LOOKING AT SOME OTHER THINGS WITH LIKE CORPORATE VERSUS THE PUBLIC SECTOR AND EARNINGS. 
          AND THESE I JUST THINK ARE VERY INTERESTING. 
          AND THEY SPEAK TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COMPENSATION IN CORPORATIONS VERSUS THE COMPENSATION IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR AND PUBLIC EARNINGS AVERAGE. 
          AND THIS IS NATIONWIDE, IT ACTUALLY IS HIGHER WHEN YOU LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT STATES THAT ARE, UH, RIGHT TO WORK STATES, THAT GAP OF 17.6% IS CLOSER TO 20 WHEN YOU, YOU'RE IN A RIGHT TO WORK STATE, BUT INCLUSIVES OF INCLUSIVE OF OUR BENEFITS, WHICH ARE RICHER THAN IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, THE GAP IS STILL 14.5%. 
          SO THE AVERAGE, YOU KNOW, UH, CITY OR OR STATE OR COLLEGE EMPLOYEE, WHATEVER, ARE MAKING, UH, ABOUT 14 OR SO PERCENT LESS THAN THAT EQUIVALENT JOB IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. 
          AND WHAT I FOUND PARTICULARLY INTERESTING WAS THAT THAT'S TRUE EVEN THOUGH THERE'S THIS EDUCATION DIFFERENTIAL WHERE 62.1% OF PUBLIC SECTOR EMPLOYEES HAVE A HIGHER LEVEL DEGREE, BACHELOR'S OR MASTER'S OR HIGHER, UM, VERSUS 40.7% IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. 
          UM, SO IT'S AN, IT'S JUST AN INTERESTING PUBLIC SECTOR VERSUS PRIVATE SECTOR THING TO LOOK AT. 
          SO I'M ALWAYS COGNIZANT OF THIS WHEN I LOOK AT SORT OF NATIONAL TRENDS FOR WHAT ARE PEOPLE DOING FOR INCREASES? WHAT IS EVERYBODY LOOKING AT? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A LOT NECESSARILY OF WHAT ARE CITIES DOING WHEN YOU TRY TO SEARCH THAT, IT'LL BE LIKE, WELL, IN PHOENIX OR IN, YOU KNOW, IT'LL GIVE YOU VERY BIG CITIES. 
          BUT FINDING A LIKE STUDY THAT SAYS HERE'S WHAT CITIES ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS MORE CHALLENGING THAN PRIVATE SECTOR INFORMATION TO FIND. 
          SO I JUST THINK IT'S JUST, JUST INTERESTING CONTEXT. 
          COULD I ASK A QUESTION AT THIS POINT OR SHOULD WE JUST GO THROUGH THESE FIRST MAYOR, MAYOR HALL? YEAH. 
          COULD I ASK A QUESTION FIRST? YEAH, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SINCE I WASN'T HERE, SO FOR FISCAL 26, WAS THERE NO MERIT PACKAGE? THERE WAS ONLY THIS RECLASSIFICATION SALARY STUDY THING. 
          THERE, THERE WAS BOTH. 
          IN 26 THERE WAS THE RECLASSIFICATION AND A MERIT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE DID BOTH IN 26. 
          AND, AND ACTUALLY THAT'S, THAT'S MY NEXT SLIDE THAT WE DID A, UM, ADJUSTMENT THAT INCLUDED, UH, MERIT AND THE, THE, UM, SALARY STUDY INCREASE THAT CHANGED ALL THE, ALL THE SALARY RANGES. 
          SO SOME PEOPLE COULD HAVE GOTTEN, LET'S CALL IT A RECLASS AND ALSO A MERIT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN THIS YEAR, WHAT WAS, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND THE CPI INFORMATION ON THIS SLIDE IS JUST INFORMATIONAL. 
          IT'S NOT DRIVING ANYTHING IN THE PAY SCALE ADJUSTMENT, IT'S JUST INFORMATIONAL. 
          BUT THIS YEAR WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND WHAT'S IN THE ASSUMPTIONS IS A MAXIMUM OF A 5% MERIT. 
          UM, WHICH IS WE HAVE A, A MERIT PROCESS THAT RATES EACH CATEGORY AND THEN THAT'S WEIGHTED TO DETERMINE WHAT AN IN WHAT AN INDIVIDUAL GETS. 
          AND THEN I'M GONNA MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND LET RUSS EXPLAIN. 
          WAIT BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          WAIT, ARE YOU FINISHED CHERYL? NOT REALLY. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A DISCUSSION DURING WHICH, I'M SORRY I MISSED IT. 
          THE, UM, RETREAT IN DECEMBER AND THERE WAS A DECISION AT THAT POINT, UH, FOR A 5% MERIT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS APPEARING 
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HERE. 
          IF THERE IS NO ABILITY TO RECONSIDER THAT, I'LL JUST SHUT UP RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, BUT WHAT I AM WONDERING IS IF THERE WAS A RECLASS AND A MERIT IN FISCAL 26, IF THERE WOULD BE ANY INTEREST INSTEAD OF A MERIT FOR 27 AND GIVEN WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE CO AND THAT IT BE A COST OF LIVING INSTEAD, NOT NECESSARILY AT THE 5% LEVEL, BUT IT THAT WE DO A COLA AS OPPOSED TO A MERIT IN 27. 
          IS THAT A CLOSED SUBJECT? NO, I'D LIKE THE CITY MANAGER'S THOUGHTS ON THAT. 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. 
          UM, THE WAY OUR SYSTEM IS SET UP RIGHT NOW FOR COMPENSATION, IT IS A MERIT-BASED SYSTEM WITH, UM, PEOPLE BEING INCENTIVIZED FOR PERFORMANCE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET 0%, WHICH MEANS YOU'D BE ON A PERFORMANCE PLAN AND THAT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THOSE, OF COURSE UP TO 5% IF YOU'RE FIVE STAR ROCK STAR, BUT THE AVERAGE IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. 
          UM, NOT EVERYBODY GETS THE 5%. 
          UM, BUT FROM LIKE A RECRUITMENT AND A RETENTION PERSPECTIVE AND THE AMOUNT OF EXPECTATION THAT'S ON THE STAFF TO DELIVER, I SUPPORT THE MERIT SYSTEM IN REWARDING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY NAILING IT, SO TO SPEAK. 
          UM, AND USING THAT TOOL TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE. 
          IF WE DO ACROSS THE BOARD COLA, THAT KIND OF GOES AWAY. 
          AND ALSO IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT'S SORT OF A DISSATISFIER THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW HARD SOMEBODY WORKS OR IF THEY'RE WORKING CIRCLES AROUND SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S NOT A GOOD PERFORMER, THEY'RE ALL GETTING THE SAME PAY. 
          SO LIKE WHAT'S THE POINT? AND WE TEND TO LOSE PEOPLE TO OTHER EMPLOYERS THAT, UM, DO PAY FOR PERFORMANCE OR THEY FIND IT MORE ATTRACTIVE ELSEWHERE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S CLOSER TO THEIR HOME OR WHATEVER. 
          SO I I JUST THINK OF THE PHILOSOPHY OF PAY FOR PERFORMANCE OR PAY FOR MERIT AS, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE LITTLE TOOL WE HAVE TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE AND TO KEEP THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IT COULD BE SPLIT, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT COULD BE SPLIT LIKE THERE'S 5% BUILT IN TO THE BUDGET YOU'RE PROPOSING. 
          UM, THERE'S A BUILT IN SAVINGS THERE BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, YOU HAVE TO BUDGET FOR 5%, BUT NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA GET 5%. 
          IF IF A PERCENT OR ONE HALF PERCENT WAS A COLA THAT WENT TO EVERYBODY. 
          AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT TO THE 5% WAS MERIT. 
          I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD MAYBE WE BE CONSIDERING? IS IT TRUE THAT, UM, IT'S CAPPED AT 5% OR IT HAS TO BE AN, IT'S CALCULATED AS A BASE ON THE BASIS OF AN AVERAGE OF 5%. 
          SO SOME COULD GET SIX NO, IT'S A CAP, BUT SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TO GET NO, IT'S A CAP OF FIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE HAVE A FIVE POINT RATING SYSTEM. 
          SO YOU BASICALLY, AFTER THE END OF YOUR EVALUATION, WHATEVER YOUR SCORE IS, DETERMINES THE RATE. 
          SO AT THE END OF ALL THE RANKINGS AND THE CRITERIA AND EVERYTHING, YOU'RE AT 3.8, THEN YOUR MERIT IS 3.8% IF YOU'RE AT FOUR. 
          SO IT'S UH, IT'S A FORMULA. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IF YOU WANNA GUARANTEE EVERYBODY GOT SOME BASIC AMOUNT AND THEN PAY FOR MERIT ON TOP OF THAT, WE COULD DO THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, THE FLIP SIDE OF, UM, YOUR DESCRIPTION OF THE MERIT BASED, I MEAN IT'S INCENTIVIZING. 
          I I GET THAT. 
          AND IF SOMEBODY WASN'T PERFORMING AND DID NOT QUALIFY, IT COULD BE INCENTIVE TO LEAVE. 
          IT'S A WAY OF SORT OF CULLING THE HERD, SO TO SPEAK. 
          . 
          WELL, WE HAVE POLICIES AND PRACTICES FOR SUPERVISORS TO WORK WITH UNDER PERFORMING EMPLOYEES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF WE REALLY ARE TRULY AT THAT POINT, WE'RE HAVING A WHOLE DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THAN JUST HOW MUCH OF A RAISE THEY'RE GETTING. 
          AND WE TRY NOT TO EVEN GET TO THAT POINT. 
          SO THAT'S, SO UNDER YOUR MERIT, UNDER THE 5% MERIT SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, EVERYBODY WOULD GET WITH A RARE EXCEPTION, EVERYBODY WOULD GET SOMETHING. 
          OKAY. 
          BRIAN, THANK COME HERE. 
          I'M GOOD WITH THE, UH, COLA BASED SYSTEM. 
          UH, I'M STILL TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND APPROVING AN UP TO 5%. 
          'CAUSE FROM MY CORPORATE DAYS, I JUST THINK ABOUT EFFECT ON PAYROLL. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU GET 4% EFFECT ON PAYROLL AND THEN MANAGERS, YOU KNOW, GET AMOUNTS FOR THEIR DEPARTMENT AND THEY DIVVY OUT ACCORDINGLY. 
          IT'S NOT ALTOGETHER CRAZY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, BUT IT'S GIVEN THE SPECIFICITY OF HOW WE BUDGET, THIS IS ONE THING WHERE IT'S KIND OF SQUISHY BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING UP TO 5%, 
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BUT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT IT IS UNTIL AFTER YOU'VE RUN, YOU KNOW, THE EVALUATION PROCESS. 
          SO I DON'T LOVE THAT I CAN LIVE WITH IT, UH, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, STICKING WITH THE MERIT BASED SYSTEM IS THE WAY TO GO. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          YOU JUST SAID COLA THOUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, DID I? YEAH. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UH, NO MERIT. 
          UH, DEFINITELY MERIT. 
          UM, SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          AND YES, I'M USED TO THAT BEING IN EFFECT ON PAYROLL OF, YOU KNOW, SOME PERCENT AND THEN YOU GO DIVVY IT OUT ACCORDINGLY. 
          SO SORRY ABOUT THE CONFUSION. 
          GOT A LOW SCORE ON MY AURA RING LAST NIGHT, ONLY A 65 . 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, BARBARA. 
          OKAY, WELL THEN I PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO GO INTO THIS SLIDE. 
          THIS IS JUST MORE DETAIL ON HOW THAT, HOW THAT MERIT WORK. 
          AND THEN, UM, RUSS'S RESEARCH INTO OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND THEY SEEM TO BE DOING BETWEEN THREE AND 8%. 
          UM, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON PROBABLY IN MANY CASES WHERE THEY ARE WITH THE MARKET. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO THESE ARE JUST THE STAFFING OVER TIME, UM, SLIDES THAT YOU ALL HAVE SEEN. 
          AND WE OVERLAID THIS ONE WITH THE BUDGET SO THAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT, WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT WE'RE AT 42% OF OUR BUDGET IS STAFFING. 
          AND AFTERWARDS I THOUGHT, OH, WE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT SO THAT IT SHOWED UP AT 42%. 
          BUT SORRY, MY BAD. 
          WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T DO THAT. 
          BUT THE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW THE BUDGET IS GROWING AND YOU THINK WHERE OUR STAFFING IS, WE REALLY HAVE A LOT MORE THAT STAFF IS ADDRESSING. 
          YOU KNOW, WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS, WE WENT FROM 10 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR, 14 TO 48 MILLION, 42 MILLION. 
          I MEAN, THESE ARE, THESE ARE REALLY MUCH MORE THAT INDIVIDUALS ARE MANAGING. 
          SO IT'S, I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SORT OF SEE IT IN THAT CONTEXT. 
          AND THEN WE OF COURSE HAVE THIS THAT YOU SAW LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS BASICALLY OVER THE LAST, NOW IT'S WHAT, SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS THAT SHOWS THE, THE INDIVIDUAL INITIATIVES THAT DROVE STAFF INCREASES OVER TIME FROM FISCAL 18 TO FISCAL 26. 
          WHAT IS CTEI? UM, THAT WAS COMMUNICATIONS, TOURISM, AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES WHEN WE TOOK THAT OVER FROM THE CHAMBER. 
          AND THEN OUR NEXT CATEGORY THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IS JUST DEBT SERVICE EXPENSE. 
          AND WE'RE AT ABOUT 10.6% OF OUR OPERATING BUDGET, WHICH IS NOT A LOT WHEN YOU CONSIDER LIKE 6.1 MILLION IN DEBT SERVICE IN A YEAR IS REALLY, UM, VERY MANAGEABLE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE WILL PROBABLY, AS WE DO THE, THE, UM, RATE STUDY FOR WASTEWATER, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT MORE DEBT AND WE'LL DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE MORE, UM, I THINK TODAY. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO NOW ISN'T THERE A, UM, A MAXIMUM OF DEBT? THERE IS A, THERE'S LIKE A STATUTORY MAXIMUM BASED ON PROPERTY TAX AND YOUR VALUATION OF PROPERTY. 
          AND WHEN WE GET INTO THE GENERAL SERVICE BUDGET, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA TALK ABOUT OUR CAPACITY FOR DEBT AND HOW WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE OUR DEBT IS BASED ON COVERAGE RATIOS WHERE WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT WE BRING IN ENOUGH OF THE EXCISE TAX THAT BACKS IT, WHICH IS SALES AND BED TAX. 
          ARE WE GETTING ENOUGH OF THAT TO COVER THE COVENANTS OF THE DEBT, WHICH ARE USUALLY LIKE 1.5 TIMES THE AMOUNT THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY IN A YEAR, THAT YOU HAVE TO COLLECT MORE THAN THAT. 
          NOW, OF COURSE WE HAVE TREMENDOUS CAPACITY IF YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THAT. 
          BUT I WOULD LOOK AT IT MORE IN THE SENSE OF WHAT ARE WE LEAVING ON THE TABLE EVERY YEAR OF THOSE REVENUES THAT ARE COMING IN? SO IF WE HAVE 5.5 MILLION LEFT OVER FROM LAST YEAR, THEN THAT WOULD BE OUR CAPACITY FOR ADDITIONAL DEBT WOULD BE A PAYMENT OF 5.5 MILLION. 
          THAT'S REALLY A, LIKE BACK OF THE NAPKIN WAY TO LOOK AT IT, BECAUSE THE REALITY IS SOMETIMES WE HAVE 11 MILLION LEFTOVER, SOMETIMES WE HAVE SIX SOMETIMES, AND IT DEPENDS ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS. 
          BUT I THINK THAT'S A SORT OF ROUGH ESTIMATE OF WHAT COULD YOU AFFORD? AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT LIKE $5.5 MILLION, SAY THAT'S AROUND 50 OR 60 MILLION OF, OF 30 YEAR DEBT THAT THE CITY COULD REALISTICALLY ADD AND NOT BE IN A POSITION OF WORRYING ABOUT COVERAGE OR WORRYING ABOUT KEEPING THE LIGHTS ON OPERATIONALLY. 
          SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LOT OF ROOM. 
          UM, BUT 
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I, BUT I THINK IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT WHEN YOU CONSIDER ISSUING DEBT, LIKE HOW ARE WE COVERING IT? AND THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WITH THE WASTEWATER FUND, IS UNDERSTANDING WHAT THOSE RATES NEED TO BE SO THAT EVENTUALLY THAT FUND CAN COVER ITS OWN DEBT AND WE'RE NOT HAVING TO USE THOSE EXCISE TAX BONDS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OF COURSE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO NOW WE'RE 
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GONNA MOVE INTO DEPARTMENT BUDGETS, AND RATHER THAN HAVE EACH DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR COME UP AND DO A LITTLE LIKE SPEED DATING SPEECH AT YOU, UM, WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO JUST GO THROUGH EACH ONE AT A HIGH LEVEL. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, STOP US AND SAY, I WANNA TALK TO RUSS ABOUT HUMAN RESOURCES, OR WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHATEVER. 
          AND IT WILL BE DEPARTMENTS AND THEN PROGRAMS WITHIN DEPARTMENTS, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO WITH THIS WHOLE, LIKE ZBB THING, WAS ACTUALLY SAY, HOW MUCH DOES AQUATICS COST? HOW MUCH DOES POSSE GROUNDS COST? YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE DIFFERENT DETAIL THAN YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, RATHER THAN JUST DEPARTMENT NUMBERS. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION. 
          UM, THE DECISION PACKAGE COLUMN, IS THAT PRIORITY ONE AND PRIORITY TWO? IS THAT ALL PRIORITIES TOGETHER? BECAUSE SAY PUBLIC WORKS HAD, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIES ALL THE WAY THROUGH FOUR, IS THAT EVERYTHING? ARE YOU MEANING THE CAPITAL PRIORITIES OR JUST YEAH, IN THE DECISION PACKAGES. 
          THE DECISION PACKAGES, THIS IS OPERATIONS ONLY. 
          SO THE DECISION PACKAGE COLUMN IS JUST THOSE DECISION PACKAGES LIKE THE, UM, BIKE P COORDINATOR OR THE MINIS. 
          AND WERE, THEY ALL, JUST REFRESH MY MEMORY, WERE THEY ALL ONES AND TWOS? WELL, THERE WAS NO RANKING OF THE OPERATING DECISION PACKAGES STRICTLY WERE JUST A YES OR NO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THE COLUMN HERE REFLECTS THE REQUEST. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THEY ARE ALL IN FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. 
          THEY'RE NOT IN THE BASE BUDGET, BUT THEY'RE IDENTIFIED HERE. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE SPECIFICALLY WHERE EACH PACKAGE WOULD FALL WITHIN THE PROGRAM AND DEPARTMENT. 
          SO WHEN WE GET TO THE CAPITAL, AND THAT WILL BE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION WITH PRIORITIZATION, ET CETERA. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO YOU GUYS GET TO GO FIRST. 
          SO THIS IS THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET, AND IT GOES FROM FISCAL 25, ACTUAL IN BUDGET TO 26, 27, PROPOSED THE CHANGE. 
          AND THEN IF THERE ARE DECISION PACKAGES, IT WOULD BE IN THAT GREEN COLUMN. 
          UM, YOU, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY DECISION PACKAGES FOR YOURSELVES THIS YEAR. 
          SO THEN WE HAVE YOUR KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS FOR EACH, IN THIS CASE, YOUR DEPARTMENT. 
          BUT FOR MOST IT WILL BE BY PROGRAM. 
          CAN CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YEAH. 
          SO THE RESULTS OF THE COMMITTEE THAT PETE IS HEADING ON COUNCIL COMPENSATION, I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FINISHED. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT ITS RESULTS ARE GONNA BE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE ACCEPTED. 
          SO THEY'RE PLANNING TO COMPLETE THEIR WORK BY SOMETIME THIS FALL, FALL, UM, BECAUSE I BELIEVE, AND KURT CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU CAN'T TAKE ACTION ON IT UNTIL AFTER A CERTAIN POINT IN TIME, UM, THIS CALENDAR YEAR. 
          AND SO IF THERE IS SOME ADJUSTMENT THAT'S RECOMMENDED APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL, WE WOULD LIKELY JUST, UM, MOVE IT UP OUT OF A CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT INTO THE SPENDABLE BUDGET AT THAT TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE RIGHT NOW RELATED TO THEIR WORK. 
          I JUST WONDERED HOW THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          EXACTLY. 
          ALRIGHT, YOU WANT US TO EXPLAIN ANYMORE? UH, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE PASSED BY COUNSEL, UH, BEFORE THE FIRST MEETING, AFTER THE GENERAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER TO GO INTO EFFECT AT THAT TIME. 
          IF THERE IS GONNA BE ANY CHANGE, UM, COUNCIL COULD ALSO CHOOSE ANY DATE AFTER THAT TIME AS WELL FOR IT TO GO INTO EFFECT, INCLUDING UP TO NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO OUR NEXT, UH, DEPARTMENT WITH SEVERAL PROGRAMS AS WELL IS THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, ADMINISTRATION, PUBLIC RELATIONS AND ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          THESE ARE JUST THE PROGRAMS. AND THEN THE, THE INDIVIDUAL PROGRAMS ARE BELOW THESE. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE PERFORMANCE INDICATORS FOR CITY MANAGER ADMIN. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE CITY MANAGER COMMUNICATIONS, WHICH IS, HAS BEEN PULLED OUT, IF YOU'LL RECALL FROM COMMUNICATIONS, TOURISM AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES. 
          IT'S NOW TOURISM AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE COMMUNICATIONS WITHIN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. 
          AND HERE ARE THOSE KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS. 
          AND I'M ASSUMING LIKE THERE IS 
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NO DESIRE FOR ME TO GO THROUGH THESE. 
          THEY'RE REALLY HERE MORE FOR INFORMATIONAL, THAT THESE ARE THE KEY ONES THAT WORK TRACKING. 
          AS YOU KNOW, WHEN I STARTED HERE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WE HAD OVER 700 MEASURES. 
          UM, WE HAVE BEEN WHITTLING THOSE DOWN TO TRY TO FIND THE ONES THAT REALLY HOLD VALUE FOR THE WAY WE PLAN OPERATIONS. 
          LIKE, IS THIS SOMETHING WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING WHAT WE INTENDED OUT OF? AND BEING ABLE NOW TO SORT OF LINK THESE TO THE INDIVIDUAL PROGRAMS IS HELPFUL. 
          AND THEN AS ANNETTE STATED, MOVING FROM SORT OF PURE ZERO BASED BUDGETING, WHICH IS JUST LOOKING AT EACH LINE ITEM TO THAT PERFORMANCE BASED OR PRIORITY BASED, WHERE WE'RE SAYING WE KNOW THE SERVICE WE WANT, HOW MUCH IS IT GONNA COST AND WHAT ARE THE INDICATORS TO SEE IF WE GOT THERE. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS ITERATIVE AS WE GET THE NEW ERP. 
          AND THEN WE REALLY GET INTO UNDERSTANDING HOW ALL OF THOSE BUDGETS WORK TOGETHER. 
          THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG LIFT COMING FROM WHERE WE WERE WITH OUR BUDGETING SOFTWARE. 
          BUT WE ARE GETTING THERE STEP BY STEP AND WE WILL BE. 
          SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION, MELISSA? I'M SORRY, JUST FOR A SECOND. 
          I WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE COMMUNICATIONS ONE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, JUST FOR CLARITY, THE OFFICE EXPENSES WENT UP 1500%. 
          SO COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY IT WENT UP 1500% OR INTENDED TO GO UP 1500%? UM, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. 
          THIS WAS DETAILED THAT TYLER, I THINK REQUESTED THAT HAD TO DO WITH PROFESS UM, LIKE, UH, DUES AND SUBSCRIPTIONS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          BUT I SEE THAT STERLING'S LOOKING AT ME SAYING I CAN ANSWER IT. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS WAS ACTUALLY A CHANGE WHERE WE HAD VOLUNTEER LUNCHEONS UNDER, OH, HUMAN RESOURCES BUDGET AND WE SHIFTED THAT EXPENSE OVER TO COMMUNICATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I WAS WRONG. 
          , I KNOW STERLING'S LIKE THE MAN WHEN IT COMES TO ALL THESE LINE ITEMS. 'CAUSE HE'S LIKE, AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE ZBB SORT OF IMPLEMENTATION THIS YEAR IS WE FOUND A LOT OF THINGS WE'RE LIKE, WELL, SOMEBODY'S BEEN PAYING FOR IT OUT OF HERE JUST BY PRACTICE OR HISTORY, BUT REALLY IT SHOULD BE UNDER X, RIGHT? BECAUSE KEEGAN ORGANIZES THAT. 
          SO IT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE BUDGET WHERE THAT LIVES. 
          SO YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE LOTS OF LITTLE CLEANUP ITEMS LIKE THAT. 
          YOU WILL, YOU'RE, YOU WILL SEE LOTS OF THINGS THAT YOU'RE LIKE, THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 
          BUT THE REALITY IS WE'RE ALIGNING IT WITH WHERE IT REALLY PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE, SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALL ALONG. 
          BUT BECAUSE WE NEVER DID THIS EXERCISE, WE JUST DIDN'T REALIZE HOW MANY THINGS WERE KIND OF MISALIGNED. 
          SO DOES THAT HOLD TRUE FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION AS WELL ON THAT PAGE, WHICH WENT UP 98%? BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THAT PUBLIC INFORMATION SHOULD ALWAYS BE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNICATIONS. 
          YEAH, THAT ONE IS AN INCREASE FOR THE BIENNIAL, UH, CITIZEN SURVEY. 
          SO WE PUT IN ADDITIONAL 20,000 FOR F FFY 27, AND I THINK THAT ONE TRADITIONALLY HAS GONE UP AND THEN BACK DOWN AND UP AND THEN BACK DOWN AS WE BUDGET IT EVERY OTHER YEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK IT'S REALLY GOOD FOR ALL OF US, UH, WHO SIT ON COUNCIL PLUS THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH ALL THESE SURVEYS AND, AND REACH OUTS ACTUALLY COST AND HOW THAT IMPACTS OUR BUDGET SO THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THESE LINE ITEMS ARE AND HOW, UM, HOW WE'RE USING THEM TO TRY AND REACH OUT. 
          AND THEY, THEY ARE REALLY EXPENSIVE, BUT THEY ALSO PROVIDE US INVALUABLE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE FROM THE CITY. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THESE PERFORMANCE INDICATORS, INSTAGRAM FOLLOWERS, FACEBOOK FOLLOWERS, LIKE FUN, FUN STUFF THERE. 
          OOPS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN ARTS AND CULTURE, UM, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A, A SMALL RELATIVELY SPEAKING BUDGET AND THEN LOTS OF PERFORMANCE INDICATORS THERE FOR THAT PROGRAM. 
          OH YEAH. 
          AND NANCY IS HERE IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ARTS AND CULTURE, MELISSA? SO IT FEELS TO ME LIKE ARTS AND CULTURE IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE WE COULD GET A LOT MORE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT THAN WE, THAN WE CURRENTLY DO. 
          I KNOW WE HAVE COMMISSIONS OR BOARDS OR COMMITTEES, WHATEVER WE'RE CALLING THEM TODAY AROUND LIKE CHOOSING WHAT GOES INTO THE ROUNDABOUTS AND SORT OF ALL THAT STUFF. 
          AND I KNOW WE'VE PUT STUFF UP IN THE LIBRARY, UM, FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT AND COMMENT ON, BUT IT FEELS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          I REMEMBER THE JAMES HAVEN THING, RIGHT? WHERE WE GOT EVERYBODY FROM THREE YEAR OLDS, LIKE ALL THE WAY UP TO, I DON'T KNOW, 80, 80, I WAS GONNA 
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SAY 102 YEAR OLDS, BUT THAT'S OKAY. 
          SO WE GOT EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY AT ALL AGE RANGES SORT OF ENGAGED. 
          THEY CAME OVER, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY MIGHT HAVE PUT SOME PAINT ON THE WALL, UM, WHICH I'M SURE THEN JAMES HAD TO GO INCORRECT. 
          BUT WHATEVER IT IS, EVERYBODY GOT INVOLVED AND IT JUST FEELS LIKE SOME OF, SOME MORE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, AND I SAW SOME, YOU HAVE SOME PROJECTS THAT YOU HAD LISTED, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE PAINTING MURALS AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          BUT IF THOSE ARE JUST MURALISTS AND THE COMMUNITY ITSELF IS NOT INVOLVED, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING TO THE COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY IS PARTICIPATING IN. 
          SO IT'D BE REALLY GREAT TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE'RE GETTING COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION AND ALL THIS COOL STUFF THAT I SAW. 
          THANK YOU MELISSA. 
          UH, COUNCIL DUNN. 
          UM, AND GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. 
          UM, YES. 
          SO I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT FOR CIP WHEN THAT TURN TURNS UP MAYBE LATER THIS AFTERNOON. 
          BUT I HAVE A LIST IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THAT, IN NOT JUST MURALS, BUT THERE ARE SO MANY INTERACTIVE COMMUNITY PROJECTS IN THE ARTS THAT WE COULD DO IN THIS COMMUNITY TO BRING US TOGETHER THAT JAMES HAVENS WAS OFF THE CHARTS AMAZING. 
          AND I GET SO MUCH POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THAT. 
          HE'S COMING BACK AGAIN AND I'M IN THE PROCESS OF PLANNING SOMETHING WITH NATE AT THE MUSEUM TO DO A PIECE. 
          AND I WANTED TO ADDRESS MY CONCERN AFTER SEEING THAT PROCESS FOR THE FIRST TIME WAS THAT SO MANY PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED, BUT THEY'D COME BACK AND GO, WELL, WHERE IS WHAT I JUST DID? 'CAUSE JAMES DID HIS MUSEUM QUALITY PAINTING OVER IT. 
          SO FOR THE NEXT PIECE, WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING IS HAVING, UM, THE PUBLIC HAVE SMALL SQUARES OF CANVAS. 
          JAMES WILL DO THE CENTERPIECE AND THIS THE PUBLIC WILL, UM, PAINT THEIR OWN CANVAS AND WE CAN WRAP IT ALL AROUND IT. 
          SO IT'S THE PUBLIC AND HIM IN, UM, COLLABORATION ON PROBABLY INDIGENOUS ANIMALS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, TOUCHED THAT YET. 
          UM, WITH THE LAST ONE, HE DIDN'T WANNA PUT TOO MANY IN THAT, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          AND WE HAVE ABOUT 35,000, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER, PUT INTO THE CIP FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR NANCY. 
          THE FEEDBACK ON, UH, ARTIST IN THE CLASSROOM IS NOTHING SHORT OF STELLAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE, WHAT, WHAT I HEAR COMING FROM THE CHARTER SCHOOL IN PARTICULAR, OBVIOUSLY, UM, AND OUR POET LAURIE, MR. EVRY, UM, WHAT, UH, THE, THE FEEDBACK ON HIM IN PARTICULAR WAS JUST REALLY TREMENDOUS OF THE INTEREST THAT HE TOOK IN EACH OF THE STUDENTS AND WORKING WITH THEM ON THEIR SPECIFIC POEMS AND WHATNOT. 
          SO, UH, I KNOW THERE'S NO PARTICULAR ASK AROUND THIS AND I'M EXTENDING THE TIME BEFORE WE GET TO LUNCH, BUT I WANTED TO JUST SIMPLY SAY THAT, UM, THE PROGRAM MATTERS AND UH, BRAVO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW AS WE SPEAK, I'M NOT OVER THERE NOW, BUT AT THE CHARTER SCHOOL, THEY'RE MAKING FOR EARTH DAY HOMEMADE PAPER WITH WILD FLOWERS IN THEM. 
          UM, AND ALL THIS, THE ENTIRE SCHOOL IS MAKING THAT AND I'M HAVING SOME PEOPLE PHOTOGRAPH IT. 
          I'LL BE PRESENTING THAT TO YOU IN A MOMENT OF ALRIGHT. 
          COMING UP TOO. 
          AND I DID ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S THE ONLY INCREASE IN THIS, THIS BUDGET. 
          AND THAT WAS BECAUSE I'M KIND OF AT CAPACITY AND I FIND IT KIND OF HARD TO FOCUS JUST FULLY ON THIS PROGRAM. 
          AND SO WITH A LITTLE BIT, IT'S A SLIGHT INCREASE, 4,100, I'M GOING TO BE PAYING MY ALL STAR ARTISTS A LITTLE EXTRA TO HELP ME WITH THAT ADMINISTRATIVE CREATIVE PROJECTS TO ELEVATE THE PROGRAM. 
          SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          THAT WAS INSTEAD OF ASKING FOR ANOTHER, UM, UH, STAFF PERSON. 
          SO THAT WILL HELP. 
          UM, ON THE KPI LIST, THERE'S NOT A, UH, THERE'S NOT SOMETHING UH, UH, UH, AN INDICATOR FOR THE POET PROGRAM. 
          POET LAUREATE PROGRAM. 
          THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          I CAN ADD THAT AS A METRIC. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY TAKING OFF AND I'VE GONE TO THREE OF THE PERFORMANCES AND THEY'RE FULLY PACKED AND THE COMMUNITY'S REALLY RESPONSIVE TO THAT. 
          YEAH, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE THE KPI LISTED BECAUSE THAT'S A GREAT, IS A NEW PROGRAM, SO IT'S A GOOD WAY TO, GREAT POINT. 
          I WILL ADD THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO ALONG THAT LINES, UH, YOU SHOULD, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A LOT OF COMMUNITY PROJECTS OR SOME COMMUNITY PROJECTS, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME METRIC ABOUT HOW MUCH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGED AND, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          I'M, I'M NOT GONNA GO ANY SPECIFICS, JUST FIGURE IT OUT. 
          BUT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME METRIC ABOUT, UM, ABOUT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          SURE. 
          I CAN UPDATE THAT. 
          I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK. 
          SO LAST NIGHT AT THE TOURISM WORKSHOP, THERE WERE TWO TABLES ON ARTS AND CULTURE OUT OF, I DON'T KNOW, EIGHT TABLES. 
          I MEAN, IT WAS, IT WAS THE ONLY, I THINK THE ONLY AREA WHERE THERE WERE MORE THAN ONE TABLE. 
          AND THE GENERAL FEELING WAS THAT WE'VE LOST OUR REPUTATION ALONG THE WAY FOR BEING A, UH, COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE IS, 
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PEOPLE WOULD BE ATTRACTED TO BECAUSE OF OUR ARTS OFFERINGS. 
          SO I THINK ANDREW'S PLAN IS TO COMPILE ALL THIS INFORMATION AND THEN PRESENT IT TO COUNCIL SOME FUTURE DATE, BUT, UH, WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, TOURISM AS WELL AS PARKS AND REC, THAT THERE IS A DESIRE FOR MORE FOCUS ON THE ARTS AND CULTURE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS EXACTLY, BUT I JUST PUT IT OUT THERE SO YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IT AND, UH, BRING US BACK SOME IDEAS. 
          I CAN, UH, IF I CAN, IF I MAY, UM, IF YOU READ THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THERE'S A LIST, A VERY LONG LIST OF HOW TO SUPPORT AND GROW AND DEVELOP AND EXPAND ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          I'M ONE PERSON, SO I'M DOING AS MUCH AS I CAN WITHIN THAT, BUT I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          THERE'S A LOT MORE WE COULD DO. 
          SO WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AND, AND THAT MAY WIND UP BEING SOMETHING THAT COMES BACK TO, UH, OUR FOCUS FOR COUNCIL, OUR PRIORITIES OF, UM, BOTH COMMUNITY AND, UH, ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION. 
          YEAH. 
          OR YOU KNOW, JUST SORT OF PLANTING THE SEED. 
          UM, WE'VE ONLY SELECTED ONE TOPIC FOR A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION FOR THE END OF THIS MONTH AND YOU'LL ALL BE AFTER THAT CONSIDERING FUTURE DISCUSSION TOPICS FOR DEEP DIVES WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THAT COULD BE ONE, UM, THAT WE PUT ON THE LIST. 
          GREAT IDEA. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IT WOULD BE A VERY INTERESTING ONE 'CAUSE IT CERTAINLY WAS A CONSIDERABLE INTEREST TO THE PARTICIPANTS IN LAST NIGHT'S, UM, EVENT. 
          GOOD TO KNOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO OUR NEXT SLIDE IS THE EVER INTERESTING HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT. 
          SORRY, RUSS, I KNOW YOU, YOU KNOW, I LOVE YOU, BUT YOU KNOW, IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME LIKE WOO, HUMAN RESOURCES THAT LIKE ARTS AND CULTURE DOES. 
          UM, BUT RUSS MANAGED TO KEEP HIS BUDGET APPROXIMATELY FLAT YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          AND THEN THESE ARE THE KEY METRICS. 
          AND I DO WANNA POINT OUT THESE TWO BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE REALLY CRITICAL METRICS AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEES THAT BELIEVE THE CITY IS A GOOD PLACE TO WORK. 
          THE PERCENT THAT RESPOND FAVORABLY, UM, 91% IN 25, AND THEN WE'RE ESTIMATING 95 OR IS THAT AN ACTUAL WE WOULD LIKE, THAT'S THE GOAL. 
          THAT'S, YEAH. 
          ASSUMING THAT WE GOT A LOT OF RETENTION THIS YEAR, SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL REFLECT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN TURNOVER PERCENTAGE, WE ARE SEEING A DECLINING AND THEREFORE POSITIVE TREND WITH TURNOVER. 
          WE, WE HAVE HAD SOME TURNOVER THIS YEAR, BUT IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT, RUSS. 
          YEAH, I JUST, ON THAT, I, IF IT WASN'T FOR THIS MONTH, WE WOULD'VE BEEN AT 11%, UH, WHICH IS WILD RIGHT YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY NOW AT 16% YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          BUT, UH, ESSENTIALLY WE CAN GET ABOUT 13%, WHICH WOULD THEN I'D FEEL LIKE WE HIT AND WE BEAT THAT GOAL OF 15% IF WE HAVE LESS THAN NINE TURNOVER BETWEEN NOW AND JULY 1ST. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT JUST GIVES YOU A METRIC THAT I LOOK AT THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE WE ARE. 
          UM, WE HAD NINE TURNOVER BETWEEN APRIL AND JULY OF LAST YEAR. 
          SO THAT'S THE YEAR OVER YEAR, UH, SCENARIO I JUST GAVE YOU. 
          BUT WE ARE AT ABOUT A 12% FROM FISCAL YEAR, BUT HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH TURNOVER. 
          AND THAT INCLUDES THOSE THAT I JUST MENTIONED THAT WE JUST HAD IN APRIL. 
          BUT, UH, ULTIMATELY WE'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD IN THAT AREA. 
          SO, AND I WOULD JUST CLARIFY OF COURSE, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE EMPLOYEES ELIGIBLE TO RETIRE AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT DATE COMES, IT IS HARD TO CONVINCE 'EM TO STAY. 
          SO, UH, WE ARE HAPPY FOR THOSE THAT HAVE ACHIEVED THAT MILESTONE AND ARE ABLE TO GO INTO THAT CHAPTER OF THEIR LIVES. 
          SO WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE SOME KIND OF ATTRITION, UM, JUST BY VIRTUE OF THAT. 
          AND WE DO TRACK THAT, LIKE IN INTERNALLY WE HAVE TRACKING BETWEEN LIKE, IS SOMEONE LEAVING FOR RETIREMENT? ARE THEY MOVING TO ANOTHER POSITION WITHIN THE CITY? THOSE KINDS OF THINGS SO THAT WE'RE NOT SORT OF WORRYING ABOUT A NUMBER THAT'S HIGH ON THE FACE OF IT WHEN THE REALITY IS THE TURNOVER HAS NOT BEEN NEGATIVE TURNOVER. 
          I THINK IT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE TO INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THIS. 
          SO IN THE FUTURE, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THE SAME THING. 
          IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAVING FOR OTHER JOBS FOR VERSUS RETIRING. 
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YEAH. 
          I KEEP TRACK OF THOSE SEPARATE THE JOBS OUTSIDE THE CITY. 
          YEAH. 
          OUTSIDE, NOT INTERNAL TURNOVER. 
          NO, NOT INTERNAL. 
          THIS IS, YEAH. 
          SO THIS JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS INCLUDES EVERYTHING. 
          RIGHT? AND THEN THERE ARE, IF YOU TOOK OUT THIS OR YOU TOOK OUT THAT IT WOULD GET SMALLER DEPENDING ON WHICH ONE YOU SAID IS IT, IF YOU WILL, POSITIVE TURNOVER. 
          THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU WANTED TO LEAVE AND THERE WAS A, A DISCIPLINARY OR SOMETHING OR THOSE THAT YOU WERE HOPING WOULD STAY. 
          AND THOSE ARE THE RETIREMENT ONES OR JUST FOR SOME REASON. 
          RIGHT. 
          HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK, RUSS, THAT OUR SALARY, UH, ADJUSTMENTS HAVE MADE IN LOWERING THE TURNOVER RATE? WELL, WELL I'LL TELL YOU IN THE EXIT INTERVIEWS, IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE WHAT, WHEN I TALK TO 'EM NOW AND THEY'RE EXITING, THEY'RE SAYING, YES, I'D LIKED THE SALARY, BUT IT'S FOR THIS REASON, RIGHT? UH, I'VE GOTTA MOVE AND DO THIS. 
          AND I CALL OUT THE MOST RECENT ONE WITH OUR TRANSIT, RIGHT? SALARY WAS OKAY, IT WAS A SITUATIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR HER, HER TAKING CARE OF HER MOTHER, ET CETERA. 
          RIGHT? SO SHE SPECIFICALLY SAID, YEAH, THE SALARY FINALLY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S GOOD, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S NOT THE REASON THAT I HAVE TO LEAVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I'M FINDING THAT TO BE THE CASE FOR MOST OF THOSE TURNOVERS. 
          MORE RECENTLY. 
          IT'S NOT ABOUT THE SALARY PER SE, IT'S ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON. 
          THANK YOU RU. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          EVEN MORE EXCITEMENT. 
          GET READY. 
          UM, IT'S FINANCIAL SERVICES AND THESE ARE ALL OF THE PROGRAMS WITHIN FINANCIAL SERVICES. 
          ON THIS PAGE YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, PAYROLL PAYABLES, BUDGET, THEN WE HAVE THE UPTOWN PAID PARKING IS KIND OF RUN AS ITS OWN LITTLE PROGRAM. 
          UM, REVENUE VERDE SHUTTLE. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE ALL TRACKED SEPARATELY, BUT I WON'T GO INTO ALL THE GREAT DETAIL FOR EACH OF THEM BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A BIT, BIT MUCH. 
          UM, BUT HERE IS, IS THIS ALL OF THEM? IT'S BY THE ACCOUNT CATEGORIES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THIS IS THE WHOLE OF FINANCE BY THE, UM, ACCOUNT CATEGORIES. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THE BUDGET IS ABOUT FLAT YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          BARBARA, CAN YOU GO BACK TO WHERE YOU BROKE OUT THE PROGRAMS? I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY THE PAY UPTOWN PAID PARKING HAS SHOWN A DECREASE IN THE BUDGET. 
          UH, THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE, UH, MANAGE ALL OF OUR MERCHANT FEES, BUT WE DO HAVE A PORTION OF OUR, UH, POSITION ALLOCATIONS. 
          SO THAT'S JUST GONNA BE SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS TO POSITION ALLOCATIONS WHERE WE DECREASE BY A PERCENTAGE. 
          SOMEONE'S FTE TOTAL COUNT. 
          AND MOVING THAT AROUND IS WHAT SOMETIMES ADJUSTS THE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THE TOTAL BUDGET IN THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM. 
          YEAH, IT USUALLY MEANS LIKE SOMEBODY SAYS, ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA SPEND 50% OF MY TIME ON THIS, BUT I'M SPENDING 30. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'M SPENDING MORE ON THIS OTHER, THIS OTHER THING. 
          AND WE TRY TO BE REALLY EXACT FOR THAT SO THAT WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF HOW MUCH THOSE KINDS OF PROGRAMS COST US. 
          UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN KIND OF GUESS ON THOSE, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE AN IDEA IN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING A REAL PARKING PROGRAM, THE PARKING MANAGER IS GONNA WANNA KNOW, WELL, HOW MUCH IS, IS FINANCE ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THIS? HOW MUCH ARE THESE DIFFERENT THINGS CONTRIBUTING TO THIS PROGRAM? HOW MUCH IS IT COSTING OVERALL INSTEAD OF JUST, SO HOW, HOW DO WE DO ENFORCEMENT OF PARKING? IS IT THROUGH THE VENDOR OR IS IT THROUGH? WHAT DO WE, BECAUSE THEY PAY, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR ENFORCEMENT RIGHT THERE. 
          YOU PLACE TICKETS ON WINDOWS? MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT DONE BY A CSA? IT'S DONE. 
          WE'RE CSOI OR TCA , UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, COUNSELORS. 
          UM, IT'S MOSTLY DONE BY OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS. 
          AND THEN RARELY IT'S BY OFFICERS. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY CSAS RIGHT NOW. 
          WE ONLY HAVE ONE POSITION THAT WOULD BE FOR PART-TIME. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE FILLING THAT. 
          SO THEY JUST LOOK FOR UNEX FOR EXPIRED METERS AND WRITE A TICKET. 
          IT CAN BE THE EXPIRED ME METERS. 
          IT CAN BE SOME OF THE LOTS WHERE THEY'RE NOT PROPERLY PARKED UHHUH, OR HAVE PERMITS. 
          SO IT'S IN A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          BUT, UH, THEY DO GET TICKETS. 
          AND THEN, UH, COMMANDER PENNER IS OUR APPEALS OFFICER FOR THE PD. 
          AND SO SHE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE APPEALS. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THE PART THAT FINANCE HAS FOR ACCEPTING FEES IF THEY DON'T DO 'EM ONLINE. 
          UM, AND THEN IT GOES TO THE COURT FROM THERE. 
          SO YOU HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT PLAY A PART IN THE UPTOWN PAID PARKING AND THEN OTHER PARKING PERMITTED AREAS. 
          AND WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF TICKETS ACTUALLY, AND ONE THAT IS PAID 
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THROUGH FINANCE AND ONE THAT'S PAID THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND IT DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND OF TICKET YOU GET. 
          I BELIEVE THE ONE THAT GOES TO FINANCE IS ON THAT SKINNY MAGNETIC PAPER AND LIKE A BIG PIECE OF PAPER, WHICH IS ALSO MAGNETIC AND AWFUL IN MY OPINION, UM, GOES TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND I ONLY SAY IT'S ICKY AND MAGNETIC BECAUSE I GOT A FIX IT TICKET ON MY CAR AND, AND IT SAT BEFORE I BROUGHT IT TO HAVE SOMEBODY SAY, YES, YOU REPAIRED YOUR HEADLIGHT AND YOU CAN'T READ IT AT ALL ANYMORE. 
          'CAUSE IT GOT WARM . 
          SO YEAH. 
          KATHY, JUST A QUESTION ON THE, ON THE PARKING TICKETS, NOT A FIX IT ONE, BUT, UM, HOW, HOW MANY APPEALS ARE USUALLY APPROVED? WHAT, THIS MORNING I PROCESSED 17 APPEALS AND A THIRD OF THOSE WERE APPROVED AS OF AN APPEAL. 
          AND MOST OF IT IS METER ERRORS, UM, USUALLY BY THE USER WHERE THEY PUT IN THE WRONG STATE OR THE WRONG PLATE, BUT THEY SHOW THEIR PROOF THAT THEY PAID. 
          SO THOSE APPEALS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE USUALLY APPROVED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MAYOR ANDY? UM, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF PUT OUT THERE THAT ON MAY 12TH WE'LL BE COMING WITH AN AGENDA BILL TO COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES THAT WE'LL BE IMPLEMENTING FOR THE, UH, PARKING PROGRAM. 
          AND ONE OF THOSE COMPONENTS IS ENFORCEMENT THERE. 
          WELL, AND ALONG THOSE LINES, YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT SOME EFFICIENCIES THAT WE'LL BE GAINING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          THANK YOU, ANDY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IN FINANCE WE HAVE LOTS OF PERFORMANCE MEASURES, WHETHER THAT'S AUDIT FINDINGS, WHICH OUR GOAL IS ALWAYS 0%. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE PAYABLES PERFORMANCE INDICATORS, BUDGET PERFORMANCE INDICATORS, PROCUREMENT, REVENUE LOTS. 
          QUESTION ON YOUR PERFORMANCE INDICATORS MM-HMM . 
          UM, ON YOUR INVESTMENT YIELD. 
          IT, IT'S, THINGS ARE NOT GOING GREAT OUT THERE AT THE MOMENT IN THE FIN FINANCIALLY, UH, IN THE WORLD. 
          SO YOU HAVE A MUCH HIGHER THAN THE PREVIOUS YEARS. 
          IN TERMS OF PROJECTED YIELD, WHAT'S THAT BASED ON? I'M SORRY. 
          UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? YES. 
          ON LINE 5 2 2 2 0 1, YOUR INVESTMENT YIELDS, UH, THE PREVIOUS YEARS AND THE ESTIMATED FOR THE END OF THIS YEAR ARE IN THE THREE POINT A HALF PERCENT RANGE. 
          UH, BUT YOU HAVE A ALMOST FOUR POINT A HALF PERCENT GOAL FOR 2027. 
          WHY IS THE GOAL SO MUCH HIGHER? UM, YEAH, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          I, I THINK AT THE TIME I FILLED THIS OUT FOR 2026, UH, I WAS PUTTING KIND OF OUR MARKET YIELD, THEY WERE EARNING, IT'S ACTUALLY MORE ABOUT RIGHT NOW ABOUT 3.8%. 
          SO I'LL UPDATE THIS ESTIMATE AND THEN NEXT YEAR WHEN WE DO THE BUDGET, THE 2026 COLUMN WILL BE AN ACTUAL, I THINK THOUGH, WHAT HER MAIN QUESTION IS, IS WE'RE LOOKING AT AN INTEREST RATE LIKE QUESTION. 
          SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT 4.4 FOR 27, WHY, WHY DO YOU THINK WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT? YEAH, SO THAT, UM, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR TARGET. 
          THAT'S THE GOAL. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE'D LIKE TO BE. 
          UM, WILL WE GET THERE? IT JUST REALLY DEPENDS ON MARKET CONDITIONS, BUT I KIND OF SET THAT OUT AS AN ASPIRATIONAL GOAL FOR, FOR THE CITY TO HIT. 
          THAT PROBABLY WON'T, PROBABLY MORE LIKELY AROUND 4.2. 
          UM, I THINK AT THE TIME I'D PREPARED THIS, AGAIN, RATES WERE A LITTLE BIT UP. 
          RATES HAVE COME DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO I THINK OUR TARGET GOAL IS GONNA BE MORE AROUND 4.2% FOR FY 27. 
          OKAY. 
          THE REASON I'M ASKING IS 'CAUSE IT FACTORS INTO REVENUES AND I AM, UM, IF YOU RECALL FROM LAST YEAR'S DISCUSSIONS, I TOOK A SOMEWHAT PESSIMISTIC VIEW, UH, AND WANTED TO HOLD REVENUES, YOU KNOW, FLAT. 
          SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WE'RE PROJECTING, THIS TO ME SAYS YOU ARE LOOKING AT, UM, A HEALTHIER ECONOMY. 
          SO I'M JUST, I'M PROBABLY GETTING AHEAD OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PRESENTATIONS, BUT I I'M JUST TRYING TO FRAME IT IN MY MIND AND PESSIMIST THAT I HAVE. 
          WELL, AND JUST WANNA GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF, OF KUDOS TO STERLING. 
          HE'S BEEN REALLY TRYING TO FIND, UM, INVESTMENTS THAT LOCK IN THOSE HIGHER RATES FOR LONGER PERIODS. 
          SO WE'VE MOVED OUT OF SOME OF OUR MATURITIES THAT HAD REALLY LOW RATES THAT LIKE MATURED AND OUR INVESTMENTS THAT WE'RE MOVING INTO, WE'RE TRYING TO GET AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE AND SOME ARE BULLETS. 
          AND HE'S ALSO MOVING SOME OF OUR CASH OUT OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT INVESTMENT POOL. 
          AND YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT? SURE. 
          BECAUSE YOUR INVESTMENT STRATEGY IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR Y'ALL TO UNDERSTAND. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING THIS NUMBER IS, IS PROJECTED BASED 
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ON FIXED MORE THAN VARIABLE? EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THE 4.4 REALLY DOESN'T REPRESENT WHERE THE MARKET IS HEADING. 
          UM, MORE THAN LIKELY WE'RE GONNA SEE RATES GO DOWN WITH THE NEW FED CHAIR COMING IN AND THE DESIRE TO DECREASE RATES. 
          WE'LL SEE HOW THAT PASSES IN THE NEXT, UH, SENATE SESSIONS. 
          BUT, UM, THE GOAL IS TO GET AHEAD OF THAT AND LOCK IN SOME RATES THAT HELP US STAY AHEAD OF ANY CURVE THAT'S GONNA DECREASE RATES IN THE NEAR TERM FUTURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT TO TAG ON TO KATHY'S POINT, WHEN YOU'RE FORECASTING REVENUE, WHAT RATE ARE YOU USING? THIS ASPIRATIONAL RATE OR, UH, CURRENT MARKET RATES? RATES THAT WE CAN OBTAIN RIGHT NOW AND LOCK IN? UM, WE DO TRY TO LADDER, SO NOT HAVE EVERYTHING EXTENDED TO THE FIVE YEAR POLICY LIMIT, UM, BUT HAVE SOME THINGS THAT IF THE MARKETS DO TURN AND RATES GO UP, WE DON'T WANNA BE LOCKED IN IN FIVE YEARS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE OUT OF CASH THAT WE CAN'T NOW LOCK IN AT FIVE OR 6%. 
          UH, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKELY, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE, THE ADVICE THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT IN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE YEARS THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE RATES GO BACK UP TO 6%, BUT ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE IN THE ECONOMY. 
          UM, SO I THINK THE GOAL WOULD BE THAT WE LOCK IN RATES AT CURRENT MARKET RIGHT NOW WITH SOME LADDERING OPTIONS SO THAT CASH CAN FREE UP SO THAT IN TWO TO THREE YEARS, IF RATES ARE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. 
          THE DISADVANTAGES IN TWO TO THREE YEARS, CASH FREES UP RATES ARE AT TWO TO 3%, BUT WE'LL JUST TAKE WHAT THE MARKET CAN GIVE US. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH IS WHAT ARE, IN TERMS OF REVENUE, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF MONEY IN THE BANK, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          THAT WE'RE GETTING INTEREST ON WHAT WHATEVER FORM THAT TAKES WHEN YOU'RE FORECASTING REVENUE FOR 27, WHAT NUMBER ARE YOU USING? WE'RE ACTUALLY USING THE SAME ON THIS ONE. 
          WE'RE USING THE SAME AS 26, IF I RECALL. 
          WE'RE USING OUR YIELD FROM THAT 3.6 WAS OUR, UH, WHAT WE ANTICIPATE FOR THE BUDGET NUMBER. 
          CORRECT. 
          FOR THE BUDGET. 
          WE ARE USING OUR ASPIRATIONAL NUMBER FOR THE REVENUE BUDGET BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE, UM, NOT OVERSTATING CAP. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN IF, IF, IF MAYOR PLU IS ASKING ABOUT OTHER LINE ITEMS, REV, LIKE SALES TAX AND THAT TYPE OF THING, YOU'VE GOT A DIFFERENT, YOU'RE NOT USING THIS, THE INVESTMENT YIELD TO DRIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE RIGHT. 
          CURRENTLY INVESTED THIS. 
          RIGHT? EXACTLY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE DON'T ASSUME THAT FOR, FOR AN ACTUAL REVENUE GAIN. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE JUST USE THAT AS AN ASPIRATIONAL GOAL. 
          AND THEN FOR THE BUDGET ITSELF, WE ARE MUCH MORE CONSERVATIVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED TO HEAR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO UNLESS WE HAVE MORE FINANCE QUESTIONS, WE CAN MOVE INTO INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY. 
          AND THIS ACTUALLY SETS US A LITTLE BIT AHEAD. 
          SO IF WE WANNA DO, UH, IT BEFORE LUNCH, SO IT, WE ONLY BROKE THIS ONE OUT PROGRAMMATICALLY INTO GIS AND BASICALLY THE REST OF IT, EVEN THOUGH THE REST OF IT IS MUCH MORE THAN JUST CUSTOMER SERVICE AND YOU KNOW, HELP DESK, IT'S THAT AND NETWORKS AND SERVERS AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT KEEP US FUNCTIONING ALL THE TIME. 
          UM, BUT FOR THIS PRESENTATION, WE JUST HAVE IT IN THESE TWO AREAS. 
          AND THEN HERE ARE THE INDIVIDUAL EXPENSES BROKEN OUT. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE A DECREASE YEAR OVER YEAR, AND I'M GONNA LET STERLING SPEAK TO THE DECREASE. 
          YEAH, THE DECREASE, THE ONLY DECREASE FOR GIS IS OUR, UH, GIS PLOTTER MAINTENANCE, AND THEN WE HAVE A ESRI LICENSE WITH WASTEWATER. 
          UM, SO IT REALLY, UH, THE ONLY DECREASE IS JUST OUR THREE YEAR CONTRACT FOR THE, THE PLOTTER. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A DECREASE IN THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE. 
          IS THAT THAT, OR IS THAT YEAH, THAT, THAT IS THE, THE CAPITAL. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS, CHUCK, WHAT ARE YOU SEEING FOR, YOU KNOW, WE DO SOFTWARE PACKAGES, WE'VE CONSIDERABLE NUMBER OF SOFTWARE PACKAGES AND CLOUD-BASED SERVICES. 
          WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU SEEING AS A INCREASE? IS IT JUMPING UP DRAMATICALLY? UH, IT'S DEFINITELY JUMPING UP THE, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE PROGRAMS WE'VE ADDED, YOU KNOW, THE PAST FEW YEARS, IT'S DEFINITELY JUMPING UP. 
          BUT JUST, UM, MICROSOFT OFFICE AS AN EXAMPLE, WHICH WE HEAVILY USE, ARE, ARE YOU SEEING LICENSING COSTS JUMPING ON A PACKAGE THAT WE'VE BEEN USING FOR YEARS, UM, THAT HAS BEEN MOVING UP. 
          UM, THIS PAST YEAR OUR MICROSOFT LICENSE 
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WAS AROUND 99,000, WHICH IS GETTING IT CLOSE TO THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND MARK THAT I GUESS WE GOT TO DO OTHER THINGS TO GET APPROVED. 
          UM, BUT YES, THAT, THAT HAS BEEN GOING UP. 
          THEY'VE INCREASED THEIR COSTS AND WE'VE ALSO BEEN INCREASING LICENSING AND WE'VE ALSO BEEN INCREASING THE PRODUCTS WE USE. 
          AND I'D RATHER EXPAND WITH THEIR PRODUCTS RATHER THAN USE A THIRD PARTY PRODUCT THAT MAY NOT INTEGRATE WELL. 
          BUT YES. 
          AND ON THIS SLIDE, UM, SLIDE 58 OR IT PAGE THREE, YOU CAN SEE THE MAINTENANCE IS WHERE WE HAVE THOSE SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS AND THAT'S GOING UP ALMOST $40,000 YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YEAH, WE DO SEE SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHY CAN I NOT GO DOWN? THERE WE GO. 
          AND THEN IT HAS ITS OWN, UH, KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS OF COURSE, THAT THEY TRACK. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT. 
          THE, UH, GREAT ON THE 80% OF THE HELP DESK REQUESTS BEING RESOLVED WITHIN FOUR HOURS, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY IMPRESSIVE. 
          BUT HOW LONG DO THE OTHER 20% TAKE  ? UH, SOME, WHAT'S ARE MY REQUESTS ? NO, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF THINGS  THAT RANGES FROM A FEW DAYS TO, SOME HAVE BEEN OPEN FOR MONTHS THAT, UH, MICROSOFT BASE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT MICROSOFT HASN'T BEEN ABLE FIXED, UM, AT THIS POINT. 
          WELL, AND WE ALSO HAVE THINGS LIKE SPRINGBROOK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY CAN'T HANDLE IT LOCALLY AND WE HAVE TO AND THEY HAVE TO OPEN A TICKET WITH SPRINGBROOK, THAT CAN BE MONTHS. 
          AND THAT ESPECIALLY, IT DOESN'T ALWAYS REFLECT ON CHUCK'S STAFF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, SO I BELIEVE OUR, OUR NEXT ONE IS THE TOURISM PROGRAM. 
          SO IF WE COULD EITHER SKIP THAT SINCE I, LAUREN HAD TO ATTEND SOMETHING AND SHE'LL BE BACK AFTER LUNCH. 
          SURE. 
          OR, UM, OR WE CAN BREAK FOR LUNCH AS WE ARE AT THIS POINT AHEAD. 
          COULD I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? WAIT, WAIT. 
          YOU GOT MULTIPLE. 
          ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          UM, SO THE IMPLEMENTATION, THE FULL IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ERP, WHAT EFFECT MIGHT IT HAVE ON IT IN FISCAL 27? ANYTHING OR, OH GOSH. 
          YOU KNOW, IT WILL MOVE THEM FROM WORKING WITH AN OLD CLUNKY SYSTEM AND THAT CUSTOMER SERVICE TO WORKING WITH ANOTHER MORE COMPLICATED BUT MORE MODERN SYSTEM. 
          AND THAT CUSTOMER SERVICE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT IT REALLY HAS ON THE TIME THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT IN IT. 
          IT'S, I THINK IT'S JUST GONNA BE DIFFERENT. 
          UM, I, I WOULD EXPECT IT AT THE BEGINNING THERE'D BE MORE REQUESTS, UH, JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T USED TO IT. 
          UM, AND WE WON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ALL OUR POWER USERS SET UP AT THAT POINT. 
          SURE. 
          UM, OVER TIME HOPEFULLY IT'LL, IT'LL LEVEL OUT TO, YOU KNOW, THE REQUESTS KIND OF WHAT THEY ARE NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THE REST OF US ARE STILL LIKE THE NON-SOFTWARE GENIUSES, SO WE'RE GONNA CALL ON THEM ANYWAY. 
          WE'LL SPRINKLE . 
          WHERE ARE, WHERE ARE WE IN THE IMPLEMENTATION CYCLE OF THE ERP SYSTEM? WE'RE ALMOST, I GUESS WE'RE ALMOST FIVE MONTHS REALLY INTO THE FINANCE PART. 
          WE'VE DONE THE GENERAL LEDGER AND PAYABLES AND SEVERAL OTHER LIKE PIECES WITHIN FINANCE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE START THE UTILITY BILLING IN JUNE. 
          AND FINANCE IS STILL ON TRACK TO BE DONE AND FORMALLY IMPLEMENTED IN JANUARY OF 27TH. 
          SO WE ARE, WE ARE ON TRACK. 
          IS FINANCE THE FIRST FINANCE IS THE FIRST FINANCE BECAUSE THEN THAT ONE HAS THAT CORE SYSTEM THAT THEN ALL OF THE OTHERS TALK TO. 
          SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY EXCITING AND I'M EXTRA EXCITED THAT OUR NEW FINANCE DIRECTOR HAS EXPERIENCED VERY SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS KIND OF IMPLEMENTATION WITH TYLER TECHNOLOGIES. 
          AND WHEN IS THAT PERSON DUE TO START? MAY 26TH. 
          MAY 26TH. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, CHUCK. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY, LET'S DO THE CITY ATTORNEY. 
          OH YEAH. 
          BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE A, A REALLY DIFFICULT ONE. 
          OOPS. 
          YEP. 
          HERE WE GO. 
          WE HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY BROKEN OUT INTO ADMIN, CRIMINAL LAND DEVELOPMENT AND CIVIL, AND THEN ALL OF THOSE IN, IN A, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT FORMAT WHERE IT'S BY CATEGORY. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE PERFORMANCE MEASURES BY AREA. 
          WE HAVE THE CRIMINAL PROSECUTION VERSUS GENERAL CIVIL. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, ON HERE, I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SAY 2027 GOAL BECAUSE IT'S A KPI, BUT I'M REALLY PRETTY SURE THAT NOBODY IN IN 
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KURT'S OFFICE IS LIKE, WE'RE HOPING FOR 325 CRIMINAL CASES. 
          LIKE NO, THAT'S REALLY JUST AN EXPECTATION. 
          THE, THEY'RE REALLY JUST WORKLOAD INDICATORS, ALL OF THIS. 
          HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO OTHER, LIKE, COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW? OH, UH, WE'RE ON THE SAFER SIDE OF COMMUNITY COMMUNITIES, UM, OUR SIZE AS FAR AS, UH, PROPERTY CRIME, UM, AND A NUMBER OF CRIME AREAS. 
          PD WOULD BE BETTER ANSWER, BETTER TO ANSWER THAT ONE, BUT, UH, WE HAVE A, A COMPARABLE SHARE OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASES THAT WOULD MAKE UP A BULK OF THOSE. 
          BUT THOSE TEND TO BE FROM VISITORS, UM, MORE THAN RESIDENTS. 
          YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW MANY PEOPLE COME ON VACATION AND GETTING, UH, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE FIGHTS. 
          HOW DO WE COMPARE ON CIVIL MATTERS? UM, WE ARE, UH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T, I KEEP TRACK AMONG OTHER CITIES OUR SIZE OF CIVIL MATTERS. 
          I KNEW DO KNOW HISTORICALLY WE ARE AT A VERY HIGH LOAD OF CIVIL CASES. 
          AND IN GENERAL WE'RE SEEING AN UPTICK IN CIVIL CASES, UH, DUE TO, UH, AI AND HOW MUCH EASIER IT'S FOR PRO PER PRO SE LITIGANTS TO FILE CASES. 
          AND IT'S INCREASING THE COST OF DEFENSE. 
          UM, SIGNIFICANTLY, NOT SO MUCH THAT WE'RE ASKING, WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM IN THE BUDGET TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT FOR THIS NEXT YEAR. 
          UM, BUT IF IT STAYED AT A HIGH LEVEL, THEN THERE MIGHT BE SOME, UM, NEED SOME TYPE OF INCREASE IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          BUT AS OF NOW, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE IT. 
          WHAT TYPES OF CASES ARE THOSE? UH, YOU, UH, I MEAN A NUMBER OF STRANGE ONES THAT'S . 
          THE ONLY WAY TO SAY IT, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE, THE STUPA IS ONE. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, CUP, UH, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THE CITY HAS THERE, UH, COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, COMP COMPLAINTS THAT FOR LIKE A CASE THAT ENDED UP IN NO CHARGES BEING FILED. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S A, CURRENTLY THE CITY'S, UH, BEING SUED, UH, ASKING FOR A REDACTION OF A POLICE REPORT, LIKE JUST MAKE IT EXPUNGE IT, MAKE IT GO AWAY. 
          UH, AND THAT'S NOT AN OPTION AS IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD AND IT JUST REFLECTS WHAT THE POLICE OFFICER, UH, DEALT WITH THAT DAY. 
          SO STRANGE CASES ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          I SEE DEREK PULLING HIS, HIS MIC OVER. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA ASK ABOUT SOVEREIGN CITIZENS, BUT THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN OUR COURT SYSTEM ANYWAY, SO CORRECT. 
          THE SOVEREIGN CITIZENS, USUALLY, UH, THEY WILL MAIL US FAT FILES, INCLUDING WITH SILVER COINS AND STUFF SOMETIMES. 
          AND, UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT FILED IN THE COURT AND SO THERE'S NOTHING FOR US USUALLY TO RESPOND TO THOSE. 
          SO THOSE GENERALLY DON'T END UP, UM, ADVANCING VERY FAR, IF AT ALL IN THE COURT SYSTEM. 
          AND YOU'LL PROBABLY HEAR MORE ABOUT THEM WITH THE MUNICIPAL COURT BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE, UM, IT IS A SIGNIFICANT ADDITION TO THEIR WORKLOAD TO DEAL WITH THE SOVEREIGN CITIZENS. 
          CHARLOTTE, WHERE ARE SETTLEMENT COSTS LOCATED? NOT NEAR BUDGET. 
          NO, THERE IS, THERE'S A, UM, A, A BUDGET FOR, UH, CLAIM SETTLEMENTS AND DEDUCTIBLES. 
          UM, IS IT IN, IT'S NOT UNDER GENERAL SERVICES. 
          WHERE, WHERE IS IT? IT'S UNDER THE GENERAL CIVIL, I BELIEVE. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          I THINK IT'S, IT'S WITHIN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S BUDGET UNDER GENERAL CIVIL 70,000. 
          YEAH, THAT'S IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE LAST TIME WE EXCEEDED THAT, UM, WAS IN 2016. 
          SO WE'VE MADE IT 10 YEARS. 
          UM, SO WE'RE PROBABLY DUE, UH, , BUT SO FAR NACA WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING REALLY GOOD. 
          UM, AND, AND SO, UM, THIS YEAR WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HIGHER OUT OUTSIDE, UH, EXPENSE FOR OUTSIDE ATTORNEYS, UH, DUE TO THE INCREASE OF LITIGATION. 
          UH, BUT THAT HAS NOT TRANSLATED INTO ANY, UH, INCREASE, UM, ACTUAL SETTLEMENTS. 
          SO, UH, WE GENERALLY DO PRETTY REALLY GOOD ON THOSE. 
          SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? OKAY. 
          WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PROFESSIONAL AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES? I WOULD THINK THE, THEY WERE THE SAME, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE ELIMINATING, I'VE BELIEVE, I DON'T, I'VE, AT LEAST I'D DONE THAT STERLING, THE 1200 WE'D GOTTEN RID OF IT. 
          IT JUST, THAT 1200 HAD BEEN SITTING IN THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND ONE WAS IN, ONE WAS IN THE GENERAL CIVIL CATEGORY AND ONE WAS IN ADMINISTRATION IN OUR DIFFERENT PROGRAM AREAS, BUT THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, USED FOR THE SAME THING. 
          SO WE HAD, WE'D GOTTEN RID OF ONE. 
          CHARLOTTE, MY HEARING IS REALLY BAD. 
          I HEARD CELIBATE COSTS AND I WAS LIKE, THAT'S AWFULLY PERSONAL . 
          YEAH, YOUR HEARING IS REALLY BAD THEN. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS DEPARTMENT? 
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OKAY, I THINK IT'S TIME FOR LUNCH. 
          SO WHY DON'T WE BREAK FOR HALF AN HOUR? 'CAUSE IF WE COULD GET DONE EARLY TOMORROW, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          THAT SHOULD BE OUR GOAL. 
          WE'RE GONNA PUT A GOAL FOR OURSELVES. 
          KPI FINISH EARLY BUT EARLY. 
          SO WE'LL BE BACK AT 1230. 
          AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO TO TOURISM THEN, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          WE WILL GO TO TOURISM WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR TOURISM. 
          I WAS THINKING MAYBE WE COULD DO SOMETHING QUICK LIKE THE CLERK'S OFFICE. 
          SURE. 
          WE ABSOLUTELY CAN. 
          LEMME GET DOWN THERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, THIS IS THEIR BUDGET BY, UH, PROGRAM. 
          SO WE'VE GOT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL MONITORING PERMITS, LICENSES, ALL THE THINGS THEY DO, RECORDS MANAGEMENT DIVIDED INTO THOSE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. AND THEN HERE IS THEIR OFFICE BY, UH, CATEGORY OF EXPENDITURE . 
          AND THAT PERCENT CHANGE IS NOT, NOT RIGHT. 
          UH, JUST, YEAH, NO. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE PERFORMANCE INDICATORS. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT CITY CLERK OR THEIR PERFORMANCE INDICATORS, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND I, AND I DID TELL SOME OF YOU, I KNOW THIS MORNING THAT WE WOULD FIND SOME TYPOS AND YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT 181% IS OBVIOUSLY INCORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE THE SALARY AND STIPEND SAYS 78% INSTEAD OF 18. 
          LIKE IT SAYS IN THE BOOK, IT'S INCORRECT. 
          I DIDN'T HEAR. 
          YEAH, WE HAVE SOME INCORRECT PERCENTAGES HERE. 
          AND I MEAN THIS, THESE WERE, THESE WERE ALL ENTERED BY BY HAND, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THOSE. 
          I KNOW BOTH STERLING AND I TRIED TO MAKE SURE WE WENT THROUGH AND CHECKED THEM, BUT I MEAN, I, I EVEN CAUGHT SOME YESTERDAY WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH 'EM AND I APOLOGIZE THAT THEY'RE NOT, SO WHAT IS THE CORRECT NUMBER? WHERE IS IT INCORRECT? 'CAUSE AT THE TWO BIGGEST EXPENDITURES ARE SALARY AND THEN PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, IT'S THE PERCENT CHANGE IS INCORRECT. 
          LIKE WHEN I LOOK AT, SO THE, THE TOTAL PERCENT CHANGES IS WRONG. 
          SO I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IS IT'S A DECIMAL ISSUE. 
          SO IF YOU TAKE A YEAR OVER YEAR CHANGE OF $115,000 ABOVE THE FY 26 BUDGET OF $600,000, THAT'S A 19% CHANGE. 
          NOT 181% CHANGE. 
          SO I'M GUESSING IT WAS A DECIMAL POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          AND THE SALARY AND STIPENDS, THAT PERCENT CHANGE IS ACTUALLY 20%, NOT, UH, 78 AND THE 31% IS 7%. 
          SO THERE ARE SEVERAL WHERE, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T RECALCULATE THE ONES HERE. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          WILL YOU BE ABLE TO GET US CORRECTED MM-HMM . 
          PAGES FOR HER? YEAH, WE ABSOLUTELY CAN. 
          SO CAN YOU JUST GO THROUGH WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE CHANGE IN SALARY AND STIPENDS AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES RELATED TO, UM, SALARY AND STIPENDS? I BELIEVE IS JUST THE DIFFERENCE IN THE, WITH THE SALARY STUDY LEVELING OUT, UM, THAT WE HAD MORE INCREASES BY POSITION IN THIS DEPARTMENT THAN IN OTHERS. 
          SO WE'RE SEEING A 20% IS WHAT IT SHOULD BE, A 20% CHANGE OVER THE BUDGET. 
          UM, BUT AS YOU SAW, SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAD A ZERO OR, YOU KNOW, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. 
          AND THEN PART OF THE, UH, THE STORY WITH THE SALARY AND STIPENDS IS CITY CLERK IS REQUESTING, UM, INTERIM, UH, TEMP, TEMP SUPPORT WITH THEIR RECORDS MANAGEMENT. 
          IS THAT IN THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES LINE? THAT'D BE IN SALARY AND STIPENDS. 
          IT'S UNDER TEMP WAGES. 
          SO IT'S TEMP. 
          SO IT'S IN SALARY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT AND IT'S, HOW MUCH IS THAT? UH, ABOUT $13,000. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S ONLY 12,500. 
          AND WE, ANYTHING UNDER 25,000 GENERALLY AS A RULE WE'LL INCLUDE IN THE OPERATING BUDGET RATHER THAN BRINGING IT AS A DECISION PACKAGE. 
          GOT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          DECISION PACKAGES WE USUALLY BRING AT 25,000. 
          I MEAN, SOMETIMES A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT IF IT'S REALLY CLOSE BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT. 
          BUT THE SMALLER THINGS WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S NOT A PERMANENT INCREASE. 
          IT'S A ONE TIME, WELL, HOPEFULLY IT'S A ONE TIME GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF RECORDS REQUESTS WE'RE GETTING, BUT THAT WOULD, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA WATCH GOING FORWARD BECAUSE THEY ARE, IF WE LOOK AT THEIR PERFORMANCE INDICATORS, THEY'VE 
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GOT A RECORDS REQUEST THING IN HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          THEIR RECORDS REQUEST IN 2022, WERE 149. 
          WE'RE ESTIMATING 330 BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR OR IS THIS CALENDAR YEAR? THAT'S FISCAL FISCAL. 
          THIS IS FISCAL YEAR. 
          I JUST WANNA GIVE AN EXAMPLE THOUGH. 
          THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT, OR CALENDAR YEARS, OUR OFFICE HAS RECEIVED 70 PLUS COMMUNICATIONS. 
          THOSE ARE EMAILS, TEXTS, ET CETERA, RECORDS REQUEST EVERY YEAR. 
          PRIOR TO THAT, WE'VE RECEIVED ZERO TO TWO. 
          AND THESE ARE VERY LARGE RECORDS REQUESTS RESULTING IN THOUSANDS OF EMAILS PER REQUEST. 
          AND SO WE, IN ORDER TO PROCESS THEM AT MORE EFFICIENTLY, I'VE NEEDED TO REQUEST TEMP WORK. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE PERFORMANCE INDICATORS ALSO BY THE LICENSES AND REGISTRATION AND SHORT TERM RENTAL MONITORING SPECIFIC. 
          DO Y'ALL HAVE, ARE WE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT LIKE, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THE INCREASING EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THE STR MONITORING? ARE WE TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND AS SOON AS WE CAN IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE, UH, ANNUAL, UH, REGISTRATION FEE SINCE THAT'S HOW WE'RE ABLE TO PRICE THAT. 
          I, THE, THE ANNUAL REGISTER WE DO EVERY YEAR AS PART OF THE, UM, THE CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE AND THEN AUGUST. 
          UH, BUT THE FEE IS ONLY RELATED TO THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMITTING PROCESS. 
          NOT ANY OF THE ENFORCEMENT PARTNER. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE COURT? WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA MONITOR THE RECORDS REQUESTS YES. 
          AND SATISFY THE ADDITIONAL WORKLOAD BY HIRING A TEMP. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT THEN YOU MAY COME BACK TO US WITH A REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL, IF THAT CORRECT. 
          CONTINUES TO, IF IT CONTINUES TO SHOW IT AN INCREASE DRAMATIC AS IT WAS LAST YEAR. 
          I HAVE A TEMP WORKER RIGHT NOW THAT, UM, IN THIS FISCAL YEAR WE HAD CAPACITY FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN I DO HAVE IT BUILT IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          SO AFTER TWO YEARS OF HAVING THE SAME LEVEL OF RECORDS REQUEST, ESPECIALLY IN COMMUNICATIONS, I WILL NEED TO BE LOOKING AT MAKING THAT A MORE PERMANENT POSITION OR CONSIDER IT AT LEAST. 
          AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL, JUST LIKE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN DEFENSE COSTS FOR AND AND CIVIL LITIGATION, WE'RE KIND OF SEEING THAT SAME THING, THE EFFECT OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE ON RECORDS REQUESTS. 
          WHEREAS BEFORE YOU, YOU KNOW, REQUEST EMAILS AND A FEW DOCUMENTS NOW WITH, UH, CHAT GTP HELPING YOU, YOU CAN REQUEST, UH, HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS AND METADATA AND THINGS THAT NORMAL PEOPLE WOULDN'T THINK OF. 
          AND IT TAKES A LOT MORE TIME, UH, FOR STAFF TO, UH, CONSOLIDATE ALL THAT INFORMATION PROVIDED. 
          THANKS JOE. 
          AND IF I MAY, JUST TO ADD ON, 'CAUSE WE'VE TALKED A LOT INTERNALLY ABOUT HOW MUCH IMPACT THIS IS ON THE CLERK'S OFFICE. 
          UM, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CHARGE FOR THAT TIME. 
          CORRECT. 
          WHICH IS FRUSTRATING AS WELL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO MOVE ON TO TOURISM NOW? OKAY, HERE WE GO. 
          SO HERE'S THE TOURISM PROGRAM AND WE, OR TOURISM OVERARCHING PROGRAM. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE THREE SUB-PROGRAMS WITHIN IT, WHICH ARE THE TOURISM BUREAU, DESTINATION DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION. 
          AND SOME OF THESE CHANGES THAT YOU SEE, THE NEGATIVE AMOUNTS, A LOT OF THESE ARE DUE TO THE RESTRUCTURE AND MOVING POSITIONS FROM HERE INTO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A LOT OF DECREASE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PERFORMANCE INDICATORS? CORRECT. 
          CAN I JUST ASK ADAM, MAYOR MELISSA, 
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JUST A QUICK QUESTION. 
          SO, UM, WHEN ARE WE, UH, WHEN DO WE THINK THE DIGITAL KIOSKS WILL ACTUALLY BE UP? UM, SO WE HAVE THE BOTH CONCRETE PEDESTALS HAVE BEEN POURED AT TILLOCK THANKS TO WENDY AND HER TEAM. 
          THEY DID THE INSTALLATION OF THE CONCRETE AND THE ELECTRICAL AT THAT LOCATION. 
          THE CONCRETE WAS POURED LAST WEEK AT THE VISITOR CENTER AND THE CON ELECTRICAL CONDUITS GOING IN ON THURSDAY. 
          UM, SO THAT PUTS US ON A TRACK TO GET THIS DONE SHORTLY. 
          THEREAFTERWARDS. 
          SO WE ARE STARTING TO LOCK IN THE FINAL PIECES. 
          UM, I'D HOPE BY END OF MAY AT THE LATEST MID MAY, SORT OF WHAT I'M TARGETING, I'LL BE AT A CONFERENCE LIKE MAY 17TH THAT THAT WEEK. 
          SO IF WE CAN GET IT DONE BEFORE THEN GREAT. 
          IF NOT, IT'LL BE WHEN I'M BACK FROM MY CONFERENCE. 
          SO THEY'LL BE UP IN THE SUMMER BASICALLY. 
          YES. 
          WHICH WILL GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO SEE HOW WELL THEY'LL SURVIVE THE HEAT. 
          UM, AND WE'LL HAVE FEWER INTERACTIONS I'M ASSUMING, BUT WE COULD USE THEM. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          I'M, I'M EXCITED TO HAVE FOLKS START TO USE THEM. 
          UM, EACH ONE WE CAN KIND OF CUSTOMIZE, WHICH HAS BEEN A REALLY NICE THING. 
          SO THE TILLE ONE LOOKS LIKE TILLE WHEN YOU GO ON THE SCREEN AND THE, AND THE IMAGES THAT YOU SEE THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE VISITOR CENTER. 
          WE CAN PLAY MOVIES IF WE WANT. 
          THERE'S SORT OF A WHOLE THING THAT ROB AND I ARE STARTING TO REALLY EXPLORE. 
          WE'RE JUST KINDA GETTING THAT SET UP. 
          UM, AND WE GOT OUR ALL TRAILS MAP PUT IN THERE. 
          SO JUST EXCITED FOR FOLKS TO GIVE US FEEDBACK. 
          UM, AND IT'S, IT'S, I KNEW IT WOULD BE FLEXIBLE. 
          IT'S INCREDIBLY FLEXIBLE. 
          SO I'M OPEN TO, TO ALL FEEDBACK ON HOW WE CAN NOT ONLY GET IT LIVE, BUT THEN ALSO ENHANCE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT TOURISM? ARE YOU FINDING THOSE, UM, PARTICIPATION IN THE INTERNATIONAL AND THE NATIONAL GROUPS TO HAVE, UM, TO BE WORTHWHILE? AND ARE YOU ADJUSTING AT ALL WHAT YOU ATTEND BASED ON THE RESULTS AND, AND ARE, ARE YOU FINDING YOU'RE ABLE TO MEASURE THE RESULTS? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES YOU MAKE A PRESENTATION AND A GROUP TAKES TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS TO ACTUALLY BOOK SOMETHING. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE EVER SAID THAT, UM, IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          NO. 
          OTHER PEOPLE SAID OKAY, . 
          I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I DISAGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT IN TOTALITY, BUT, UM, YEAH, SO I ACTUALLY, I JUST LEFT A LUNCH. 
          WE'VE GOT, UH, 10 SWISS TRAVEL AGENTS IN, IN TOWN TODAY AS PART OF AN ARIZONA OFFICE OF TOURISM, UM, DESTINATION IMMERSION THAT WE DO. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY INTERNATIONAL INBOUND HAS BEEN IMPACTED THIS CALENDAR YEAR. 
          JUST AS A REMINDER, UM, WE DIDN'T SEE THE FULL IMPACTS OF THE LACK OF, OR THE DROP IN SENTIMENT, UM, LAST, LAST CALENDAR YEAR BECAUSE MOST OF THE BOOKINGS HAPPENED IN DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY. 
          AND A LOT OF THE SENTIMENTS STARTED TO CHANGE LATE FEBRUARY AND THEN BEYOND THEN. 
          UM, SO WE DID EXPERIENCE THAT THIS CALENDAR YEAR. 
          UM, AND THAT'S SORT OF WHAT WAS IN THE TEA LEAVES. 
          UM, BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS I WAS HAVING, UH, SPECIFICALLY AT THE, AT THE INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCES THAT I GO TO, IPW IS THE ONE THAT I'LL BE AT IN MAY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SCHEDULE THE KIOSK IN INSTALLATION AROUND, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          UM, SO WE WERE EXPECTING THAT TO BE IN A DECLINE THIS YEAR. 
          UM, THERE IS OPTIMISM THAT 27 CALENDAR YEAR COULD IMPROVE, BUT OTHER THINGS WOULD NEED TO CHANGE FOR THAT SENTIMENT TO GO UP. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ALSO WHAT WE'RE CLOSELY MONITORING. 
          THE DIRECTION THAT I GET, AND THIS IS REALLY THE DIRECTION THAT I TAKE TO HEART, UM, IS FROM BRAND USA, THE NATIONAL TOURISM OFFICE, UM, AS WELL AS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH ARIZONA OFFICE OF TOURISM. 
          THAT'S OUR CONDUIT UP TO BRAND BRANDY. 
          WE SAY, ALTHOUGH I DO HAVE MY OWN RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEM, IS THAT INTERNATIONAL WILL COME BACK. 
          UM, INTERNATIONAL GOT INCREDIBLY IMPACTED DURING COVID. 
          WE WERE FINALLY, I THINK 27 WAS THE YEAR WE WERE SUPPOSED TO COME BACK FROM INTERNATIONAL. 
          UM, THAT'S NOW BEEN REFORECASTED, UM, I THINK 29 POTENTIALLY BEYOND GIVEN EVERYTHING ELSE I JUST, I I THAT I STARTED WITH. 
          UM, BUT WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO DO AND WHY I STILL SEE IT AS A, AS A PART OF OUR STRATEGY, AND AGAIN THIS IS COMES FROM BRAND USA, IS TO MAINTAIN A PRESENCE IN THOSE MARKETS, CONTINUE TO BUILD THE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE TOR OPERATORS, KEEP THEM AWARE OF THINGS LIKE OUR SHUTTLE SYSTEM, UH, JUST WALK THEM UP TO THE SHUTTLE, STOP AT POSSE GROUNDS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND KIND OF SHOW THEM THAT SO THAT WHEN THE SENTIMENT DOES IMPROVE, WE SEE THE VISITOR DEMAND COME UP. 
          SO A LOT OF WHAT WE ARE DOING IS BUILDING THE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE CONDUITS BETWEEN US AND VISITORS, RIGHT? UM, AND THEN WE ARE DOING MARKETING THROUGH A OT OR A O TWO'S DOING MARKETING ON OUR BEHALF. 
          SO AS LONG AS WE'VE GOT THOSE RELATIONSHIPS IN PLACE AND SEDONAS PRESENCE IN THE TOUR PACKAGES, WHEN THAT DEMAND COMES BACK, 
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WE'RE, WE'RE FRONT AND CENTER. 
          IF WE'RE NOT INVESTING IN THAT, WE WILL NOT BE IN FRONT AND CENTER WHEN THE DEMAND COMES BACK. 
          UM, I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT COMES UP ALSO, WHAT GOES DOWN MIGHT BRING SOMETHING ELSE UP, RIGHT? THESE THINGS ARE ALL CONNECTED CONCEPTS. 
          UM, I, I DO THINK THAT ALTHOUGH IT'S A VERY TRUE STATEMENT THAT INBOUND TO SEDONA, INBOUND TO THE US IS DOWN, I DO FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN SAYING THAT DOMESTIC TRAVEL HAS GONE UP. 
          AS A RESULT, FOLKS IN THE US ARE TRAVELING LESS OUT OF THE COUNTRY FOR THE SAME PARADIGM THAT WE'RE IN, THAT FOLKS OUT OF THE COUNTRY AREN'T COMING TO THE US. 
          UM, SO WE'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, GROWTH THERE. 
          UM, I WAS JUST AT THE GO WEST SUMMIT IN LAS VEGAS. 
          THAT'S IPW AND GO WEST ARE THE TWO THAT I'VE KIND OF PUT AT THE TOP OF OUR TRAVEL TRADE CONFERENCES. 
          I GO TO MEDIA SHOWS, I GO TO MEETING, MEETING PLANNER SHOWS AS WELL. 
          UM, WE PROCESSED A GROUP LEAD ON THE SPOT FOR A DOMESTIC TOUR OPERATOR AT GO WEST. 
          SO I, I, I DO FIND VALUE IN THESE CONFERENCES. 
          WE DO SEE IMMEDIATE RETURN. 
          SOMETIMES INTERNATIONAL'S GOT A LONGER RETURN, BUT IT'S BASED ON THE RELATIONSHIPS AND MAKING SURE WE'RE FRONT AND CENTER, UM, HOW WE REPORT IT. 
          UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON WITH THE ARIZONA OFFICE OF TOURISM. 
          THERE IS A COMPANY CALLED RMI THAT'S, UM, DOES STUDIES OF AVAILABLE PACKAGES IN TO OPERATORS, TRAVEL AGENTS IN AOTS KEY MARKETS, WHICH ARE THE ONES THAT WE ALSO INVEST IN. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE CANADA, MEXICO, ALTHOUGH MEXICO'S NOT ONE THAT WE INVEST IN MUCH MORE. 
          AOTS CANADA IS ONE OF OURS, UH, UK, FRANCE, GERMANY, AUSTRALIA. 
          UH, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE BIG ONES. 
          UM, WE GET A REPORT THAT SAYS HOW MANY TOUR OPERATORS ARE SELLING ARIZONA, BUT ALSO SEDONA, WHAT HOTELS ARE BEING SOLD. 
          AND THEN WE JUST STARTED GETTING THOSE REPORTS IN 24 AND 25 IN 26. 
          AND, AND WE BUY THESE THROUGH THE A OT CO-OP, UM, HELPS ME UNDERSTAND HOW THAT PRESENCE IS GROWING. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY OUR BEST BAROMETER OF THIS. 
          DO WE SEE MORE TRAVEL PACKAGES IN THE TRAVEL AGENCIES SELLING SEDONA THAN WE DID THE PREVIOUS YEAR? UM, AND THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE THING THAT WE'RE PUTTING THE THUMB ON THE SCALE TO HELP US UNDERSTAND IF OUR JOB IS BEING DONE WELL. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, IF WHAT WE HOLD THE CARDS FOR IS THE RELATIONSHIPS AND THE TRAVEL PACKAGES, UM, EVERYTHING ELSE IS SORT OF LESS DIRECT FOR US. 
          BRIAN, THANK YOU MAYOR ANDREW, IN THE MEDIA THAT COVERS THE TOURISM INDUSTRY, WHAT KIND OF PROGNOSTICATIONS ARE YOU SEEING RIGHT NOW FOR THE SUMMER RELATIVE TO INTERNATIONAL? AGAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, BASED ON SEEING THAT THERE'S EXPECTED TO BE, UH, UH, FUEL SHORTAGES FOR AIRCRAFT IN EUROPE WITHIN A MONTH'S TIME, UH, RIGHT. 
          AND THAT SUPPLY CHAIN IS GONNA STAY DISRUPTED FOR A WHILE, EVEN UNDER THE BEST OF CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          SO IS THERE ANY FEARS BEING, UH, COMMUNICATED THAT IT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY AN EVEN WORSE, UH, YEAR FOR INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL DUE TO JUST, I MEAN, LIKE EVEN DOMESTICALLY, UH, UNITED'S CUT 5% OF ITS SUMMER SCHEDULE AT THIS POINT. 
          ANY, ANYTHING YOU'RE HEARING THAT WOULD INFORM OUR BUDGET PROCESS? SO WE'RE IN VERY UNCERTAIN TIMES AGAIN, WHICH IT FEELS ALMOST CLICHE NOW WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TOURISM FOR THE LAST MANY YEARS NOW SINCE COVID. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, EVERY MONTH MY ANSWER COULD CHANGE GIVEN, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE, THE FUEL CRISIS, YOU KNOW, A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. 
          AND NOW THAT'S, YOU KNOW, EMERGING AND THAT'S MAKING MODELS SORT OF CHANGE. 
          I HAVEN'T GOTTEN, I THINK, A TRUE UPDATE TO YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION. 
          UM, WHAT'S INTERESTING, AND I'LL JUST TRY TO PULL SOME NUMBERS SO I MIGHT NOT GET THEM FULLY ACCURATE, BUT OUR, OUR NET DECLINE IN INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL WAS NOT AS BAD AS YOU WOULD THINK LAST YEAR, UM, BECAUSE COUNTRIES THAT HAD SOCCER TEAMS COMING TO THE US ACTUALLY SAW A BIG INCREASE FROM, LIKE, LATIN AMERICA ACTUALLY HAD A PRETTY BIG INCREASE IN INTERNATIONAL INBOUND TO THE US AT AS A WHOLE, EVEN THOUGH WE SAW PRETTY STEEP DECLINES IN CANADA, NOTABLY AS WELL AS WESTERN EUROPE. 
          NOW, A LOT OF THE INTERNATIONAL PREDICTIONS THAT WE GET ARE REALLY ROOTED IN THE WORLD CUP, WHICH DOES NOT HAVE A REAL IMPACT TO US. 
          RIGHT? SO A LOT OF THE INTERNATIONAL NUMBERS THAT I SEE FOR THE US ARE, OH, YOU GO WORLD CUP GAMES AND THERE'S THIS ASSUMPTION THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A BOON. 
          UM, NOW EVERYTHING YOU JUST MENTIONED COULD HAVE A MASSIVE IMPACT ON WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROJECTED TO BE WORLD CUP TRAVEL TO THE US. 
          UM, I'VE NOT GOTTEN AN UPDATE ON WHAT PROJECTIONS THAT WOULD BE. 
          AND PART OF IT TOO IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE MIGHT SEE IN NATIONAL NUMBERS DON'T NECESSARILY CORRELATE TO SEDONA NUMBERS. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR WE DID SEE THAT DEC DECLINING IN INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL. 
          THERE WERE STILL TRAVEL ON THE BOOKS. 
          I WOULD HOPE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS MAYBE SOME SPECULATION HERE THAT WE WOULD SEE THAT INCREASE IN DOMESTIC CAR TRAVEL. 
          I KNOW THAT GAS PRICES ARE UP, BUT PEOPLE STILL WANT TO TRAVEL. 
          AND 
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THAT'S STILL GONNA BE MY ASSUMPTION BE THAT'S CHEAPER THAN PLANE. 
          UM, SO A LOT OF WHAT YOU SAW WITH OUR SUMMER CAMPAIGN STRATEGY IS REFLECTIVE OF, OF THOSE TRENDS OF KNOWING. 
          AND I, I KNOW WE PRESENTED IT UP BEING, YOU KNOW, MORE FROM THE MEDIA BUY STANDPOINT WITH THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS WORLD CUP ADVERTISING. 
          THERE'S SORT OF A SQUEEZE ON BUYING MEDIA RIGHT NOW GOING INTO THE SUMMER. 
          SO WE WANTED TO BE REALLY NIMBLE WITH THE WAY THAT WE SPEND THOSE DOLLARS, BUT IT'S ALSO RELATED TO WHAT WE SAW AS FLIGHT PRICE INCREASES TO AND FROM A LOT OF OUR FLIGHT MARKETS THAT HAD WORLD CUP GAMES OR WAS CHICAGO, WHICH IS A KEY ENTRY POINT TO THE US. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S WHY DENVER DIDN'T MATCH EITHER OF THOSE CRITERIA, WHICH IS WHY WE STAYED, STAYED THE NORMAL CASE THERE, BUT WHY WE STILL SAID LET'S HIT OUR DRIVE MARKETS AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH THE DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE TO TRY TO CAPITALIZE ON THE DRIVE TRAVEL TO US. 
          SO LOOKING AT THE SOUTHWEST IS REALLY OUR BIG FEE TO MARKET THIS SUMMER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE ECONOMIC INITIATIVES PART OF YOUR DEPARTMENT, WHO'S, WHO'S WEARING THAT HAT? YOU'RE LOOKING AT 'EM, ME? WITH, WITH, WITH WHAT TIME? YEAH. 
          WELL, SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT ONE. 
          THAT ONE. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY FIRST TIME THAT I WAS INVOLVED IN IT AND, YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, I THINK BARBARA AND THE WHOLE TEAM ASKING US TO DO A ZERO BASED BUDGET. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE YOU REALLY SAW FROM A Z BBB STANDPOINT. 
          ME LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC INITIATIVES BUDGET, UM, THAT HAD BEEN SORT OF A, NOT A DIRECT, BUT SORT OF AN INDIRECT CARRYOVER FROM WHEN I BELIEVE MOLLY WAS, WAS IN THE ROLE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT I'VE BEEN ALMOST HERE TWO YEARS, UM, REALLY LOOKING AT, OKAY, WHAT IS THE CURRENT KIND OF STRUCTURE OF THE ECONOMIC INITIATIVES BUDGET. 
          UM, IT'S REALLY BEEN US SUPPORTING AND PARTNERING WITH THE REGIONAL EDCS, WHICH WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, VIVI RIO VIVI, RIO E KONA, AND LOCAL FIRST ARIZONA. 
          THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF OUR, UM, THAT'S WHERE OUR FUNDING IS GOING IN THIS SPACE FOR THE MOST PART. 
          I'LL EXPLAIN THAT IN A SECOND. 
          BUT, UM, THERE WE GO. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          UM, THAT'S WHERE MOST OF OUR FUNDING IS GOING TO THOSE PARTNERS I SERVE ON THE BOARD OF EV RIO. 
          UM, I'M ON, I THINK, I THINK IT'S CALLED THE BOARD FOR E KONA. 
          IT'S LIKE THE DIRECTORS THERE MM-HMM . 
          SO GOT BUILDING OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEM AND LETTING THEM SORT OF BE THE CONDUITS FOR US. 
          UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE DID, WE DID GENERATE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS IN THE ECONOMIC INITIATIVES BUDGET. 
          UM, I CONSOLIDATED, WE HAD THE FUNDING FOR THE TWO, WE HAD FUNDING FOR THE THREE EDCS IN TWO DIFFERENT BUCKETS. 
          SO I JUST PUT IT INTO ONE BUCKET AND WE, WE HAD SOME SAVINGS THERE. 
          AND THEN, UM, WE DID CREATE SOME FUNDING FOR, UM, ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION PROGRAMMING THAT'S IN THERE. 
          IT'S $20,000. 
          WE'RE SORT OF WAITING FOR SOME COUNCIL DIRECTION ON, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU MIGHT WANT TO WORK WITH US TO ACTIVATE THOSE FUNDS. 
          I WILL SAY I HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH DAVID KEY AT THE CHAMBER TO LET HIM KNOW THAT WE ARE HOLDING SOME FUNDS AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES THAT COULD BE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM, IF THAT'S A DIRECTION THAT SOMEBODY WANTS US TO TAKE. 
          BUT, UM, IT'S A LOT OF ME COORDINATING WITH THE EDCS. 
          DO WE HAVE A ROUGH TIMEFRAME IN THAT FOR LIKE WHEN THE NEXT TIME ANDREW'S, UH, DEPARTMENT WOULD BE BACK IN FRONT OF US TO HAVE THAT KIND OF CONVERSATION? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE IT ON THE UPCOMING MEETING SCHEDULE, BUT I THINK WE WERE THINKING LIKE FALL OR SOMETHING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY NOTES. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I THINK IT'D BE WORTHWHILE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION OFFLINE FROM TODAY, UH, ABOUT IT, JUST GIVEN THAT I SIT ON NA'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO HAVE STAFF REPRESENTATION THERE, PERHAPS MORE VALUABLE THAN MY PARTICIPATION ON THAT PARTICULAR COMMITTEE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          I THINK MELISSA AND I HAD WE'RE THE CHAMPIONS, BUT WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER PERSON. 
          NO, I MEAN, WE COULD HAVE THREE. 
          SO , IF YOU WANTED TO BE THE THIRD, YOU COULD BE THE THIRD. 
          I CAN BE THE THIRD . 
          I'M NOT SUGGEST, UH, FROM WHAT YOU WERE SAYING MM-HMM . 
          I'M HEARING YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE. 
          WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT OFTEN. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IF YOU COULD GET TOGETHER WITH US AND WE COULD START TO MAP OUT MELISSA AND I AND MAYBE A THIRD PERSON, WE COULD START TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE IN YOUR SCHEDULE. 
          YEAH, AND I THINK, UH, THE OTHER BIG THING THAT HAPPENED RECENTLY, WHICH HAS, UH, BROUGHT ALL OF THIS BACK UP ON THE FRONT BURNER IS OUR AGREEMENT WITH WE O AND THE REALITY THAT FINALLY BROADBAND IS COMING TO THIS AREA, WHICH WAS KIND OF THE, UH, FIRST STEP THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN TO REALLY HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. 
          SO I THINK THIS COMING YEAR IS PERFECT FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A, A NEED AND AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE LIKE I'VE BEEN CONTACTED BY A REALTOR AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO MELISSA AND HOLLY AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE A, A MEETING WITH THEM WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO REPRESENT A COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT THEY WANNA SELL AND THEY'D LOVE TO SEE THE CITY SOMEHOW BE INVOLVED FROM A, UH, CO-WORKING STRATEGY STANDPOINT, AND IT NEEDS 
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TO DEVELOP. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, IMP PERCOLATE SOME. 
          BUT ANYWAYS. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          ANYTHING ELSE FOR ANDREW? FOR BARBARA? ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, DON'T ASK ME ABOUT TOURISM. 
          I'LL JUST LIKE TURN . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON TO PARKS AND RECREATION? AS LONG AS JOSH IS HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS ANDREW. 
          THANK YOU ANDREW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, YOU CAN, UM, STERLING HAS REPLACEMENT PAGES FOR YOU ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, SO THE PARKS AND RECREATION BUDGET, AGAIN, WE'VE BROKEN IT INTO PROGRAMS FOR YOU, UM, AS PART OF OUR ZERO BASED BUDGETING. 
          SO WE'VE GOT GENERAL SPECIAL EVENTS, AQUATICS, PARKS, FACILITIES AND MAINTENANCE, UH, MILITARY PARK INSCRIPTIONS AND CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          AND SOME OF THESE HAVE REALLY LARGE DECREASES. 
          AND I'M GONNA LET STERLING SPEAK TO THE PARKS FACILITIES AND MAINTENANCE AND THE MILITARY PARK INSCRIPTIONS. 
          UM, BECAUSE THOSE WERE THE TWO THAT I WAS LIKE, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. 
          WHAT ARE THESE? SO GO AHEAD. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, SO, AND WE'RE ON THE, OKAY. 
          THE SUMMARY SLIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS DECISION PACKAGE IS WHAT'S COMING IN FOR THAT. 
          BUT, UH, OUR BIGGEST DECREASE, UH, PARKS AND FACILITIES MAINTENANCE, WE HAD A LOT OF ONETIME COSTS IN FI 26 THAT ARE COMING OFF FROM FI 27. 
          AND LET ME PULL UP SO I CAN GIVE YOU A LIST OF WHAT THOSE ARE. 
          IS THAT NEXT SLIDE OR SOMETHING? YEAH, I HAVE MY NOTES HERE OF WHAT THOSE ONETIME COSTS ARE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE ONE TIME COSTS FROM FY 26 THAT ARE COMING OFF IS WE HAVE, UH, THE SOFTBALL, SOFTBALL FIELD SURFACE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          UH, WE HAD REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT FOR THE POOL, UM, A ED, UM, FIRST AID EQUIPMENT, UH, BUT THE BOTANICAL IMPROVEMENTS AND WE HAD SOME TECH SUPPORT AND THEN SHADE STRUCTURES FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE SEEING THAT LARGE DECREASE IN PARKS AND FACILITIES MAINTENANCE, A DROP OF 127,000 FROM 26 TO 27. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW, JOSH IF I MISSED ANY. 
          NO, THAT WAS PERFECT. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JOSH. 
          YES, COUPLE QUESTIONS ACTUALLY. 
          YOU KNOW, OUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT IS, UH, IS REALLY CONSIDERED TO BE ONE OF OUR GEMS THANK YOU, OF SEDONA. 
          PEOPLE JUST LOVE ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE PROVIDE. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE MAXED OUT? ARE WE MAXED OUT ON WHAT WE CAN DO BECAUSE OF STAFFING OR BECAUSE OF, UH, LOCALES, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN'T DO MORE I POSSE GROUNDS 'CAUSE WE'RE DOING AS MUCH AS WE CAN OR, OR WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD WE NEED TO EXPAND? AND LAST NIGHT, BY THE WAY, AT THE TOURISM WORKSHOP, SOMEBODY SUGGESTED AT MY TABLE THAT THE HUB COULD BE COME A REC CENTER AND I DON'T KNOW THE RE YOU KNOW, JUST BUILD IT OUT. 
          BUILD IT UP, BUILD IT OVER. 
          UH, SO IF YOU WERE THINKING AS RYAN LIKES TO SAY BOLD BOLDLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST THAT COULD HAPPEN AND YOUR WILDEST DREAMS ? OH MAN, IT'S A BIG QUESTION. 
          I'LL STEAL A LINE FROM TONY. 
          LIKE WHEN YOU ASKED HIM A COUPLE QUESTIONS EARLIER THAT KIND OF CONTRADICT AND JUST SAY YES TO ALL OF THAT . 
          BUT UM, YES, ON THE PARKS AND REC SIDE WE ARE LIMITED ON THE STAFFING. 
          SO WE'VE, I MEAN WE HAVE FIVE FULL-TIME PEOPLE, INCLUDING MYSELF THAT ALL ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT PARKS AND REC AND WANTING TO PUT THINGS ON AND DO THOSE. 
          AND IT'S ACTUALLY PART OF MY TALK TOMORROW FOR THIS, UM, SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          YEAH. 
          THINGS THAT YOU HAVE AS WELL. 
          UM, BUT SINCE WE'VE HAD OUR FIVE STAFF, WE'VE ADDED SO MANY OTHER PROGRAMS JUST OFF BASED OFF WHAT WE ALREADY HAD. 
          UM, AND SO MANY OTHER PARK FACILITIES TAKING ON SOME SPECIAL EVENTS FROM LIKE THE, WHAT'S IT, OCTOBER FEST, COULDN'T THINK OF THE WORD. 
          OCTOBER FEST THAT WENT AWAY. 
          SO WE TOOK IT ON AS FEST OF FALL AND UM, ADDING PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENTS AND SO MANY OTHER THINGS SIMILAR TO THAT. 
          EXPANDING THE AQUATICS, EXPANDING THE SPORTS, FULLY EXPANDING THE 
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SUMMER CAMPS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE REALLY ARE AT OUR CAPACITY WITH THAT. 
          UM, BUT IT ALSO IS A FACILITY THING TOO WITH THE PARK. 
          WE GET RENTAL REQUESTS THAT WE COULD HOST, YOU KNOW, SO MANY OTHER RENTALS AND SPECIAL EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE PARK. 
          BUT PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS MANAGE THE PARK TO STILL BE A PARK AND A PUBLIC SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO GO. 
          PEOPLE DON'T LIVING IN THAT AREA OR USERS OF THE PARK DON'T WANT THE PARK TO BE TAKEN UP EVERY SINGLE WEEK WHERE THEY CAN'T WALK THE FIELDS OR GO TO THE PAVILION OR GO IN THOSE SPACES AND THERE'S AN EVENT THERE EVERY SINGLE WEEK. 
          SO WE HAVE TO MANAGE SOME OF THAT AND RESPONSIBLE USAGE IN THE PARK THERE TOO. 
          KEEPING IT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE SAME WITH PICKLEBALL COURTS, TENNIS COURTS, THAT TYPE OF THING AS WELL. 
          UM, THERE'S A WHOLE DREAM LIST OF THINGS WE'D LOVE TO DO AND I SOMETIMES HAVE TO BE THE BAD GUY WITH THE REST OF OUR STAFF WHEN THEY COME UP WITH THEIR WILD IDEAS THAT THEY'D LOVE TO DO AND HAVE TO BE THE ONE TO SAY NO SOMETIMES AND WHERE WE HAVE TO KEEP IT MANAGEABLE. 
          UM, BUT CERTAINLY IT'S SOMETHING, THERE'S A, A LOT OF THINGS WE'D LOVE TO EXPAND ON, ESPECIALLY WITH THE POOL AS YOU KNOW, UM, HAVING AN AQUATIC CENTER OR A SPACE THAT WOULD BE OUR OWN POOL AND OUR OWN FACILITY THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN AND UPGRADE TO THE STANDARDS THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO RUN A FEW MORE PROGRAMS OUTTA THERE. 
          BIGGER SWIM LESSONS, BETTER WATER AEROBICS, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          UM, WOULD DEFINITELY BE AT THE TOP OF THAT LIST. 
          AND THEN HAVING SOME MORE EVENT SPACE WOULD ALSO REALLY HELP, WOULD HELP WITH THE RENTAL SIDE. 
          AND THEN NOT USING THE ATHLETIC FIELDS FOR CARNIVALS, LIKE CELEBRATION OF SPRING THAT ENDS UP KIND OF TEARING UP THE ATHLETIC FIELDS AND REQUIRES SOME MAINTENANCE IN THE BACK END OF THAT TOO. 
          DID THAT ANSWER THAT AT ALL? YES, IT ANSWERED THE FIRST PART. 
          OH YES. 
          YOU'RE DOING AS MUCH AS YOU CAN GIVEN THESE PARAMETERS. 
          SO THE SECOND PART WOULD BE WHAT COULD YOU DO IF YOU COULD HAVE THE UNIVERSE, YOU COULD CONTROL THE WORLD? . 
          I MEAN WE, REGARDLESS OF LOCATION, BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE, LIKE AN EXTRA EVENT SPACE WOULD BE A HUGE ADDITION THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO ADD ADDITIONAL SPECIAL EVENTS, ADDITIONAL PROGRAMMING AND REALLY EXPAND ON OUR RENTAL OFFERINGS. 
          SO ONE THING WITH RENTALS, WE ARE TURNING AWAY A FAIR AMOUNT OF THEM, WHICH HAVE LED TO SOME NEGATIVE REVIEWS OR LED TO SOME PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS OR THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE, WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE A SIX MONTH WINDOW ON THE RENTALS. 
          SO IF YOU WANNA RENT SOMETHING SIX MONTHS OUT, YOU HAVE TO DO IT THAT DAY. 
          AND IT'S JUST KIND OF FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED. 
          WE'VE HAD MANY INSTANCES RECENTLY WHERE, ESPECIALLY WITH WEDDINGS OR THAT FAMILY REUNIONS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS WHERE PEOPLE ARE LEGITIMATELY DOING IT AT MIDNIGHT AND WE'LL HAVE SOMEONE DO IT AT 12:04 AM AND THEY'RE GETTING DECLINED 'CAUSE THEY'RE FOUR MINUTES LATE WAITING UP AFTER MIDNIGHT TO HAVE THEIR WEDDING ON A SPECIFIC DATE OR THEIR WHATEVER EVENT ON A SPECIFIC DATE. 
          SO HAVING OTHER FACILITIES, WHICH THE RANGER STATION INTERIORS WILL HELP WITH AS WELL, UM, WOULD GREATLY HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT. 
          DO PEOPLE RENT, UH, AT SUNSET PARK OR, OR IS IT MOSTLY NOW AT, UH, POSSE GROUNDS? WE DO HAVE BOTH. 
          SUNSET PARK IS PRIMARILY THE PICNIC RAMADA, SO ESPECIALLY WHEN THE SPLASH PAD'S GOING, LOTS OF KIDS' BIRTHDAY PARTIES AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. 
          UM, BUT IT'S JUST THE PICNIC RAMADA IS THERE AT SUNSET. 
          OCCASIONALLY WE'LL HAVE SOMEONE RENT THAT GRASS SPACE FOR A SPECIFIC SOMETHING, BUT PRIMARILY IT'S HUB PAVILION, ATHLETIC FIELDS AT POSSE GROUNDS. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST PUTTING IT INTO MY THINKING CAP BECAUSE THE, UH, WE ALWAYS GET SUCH POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM ALL THESE EVENTS AND, AND SOMEBODY WAS SAYING LAST NIGHT, BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME AND IN A WAY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COMING RIGHT. 
          NOT IN A WAY ABSOLUTELY. 
          THEY ARE COMING. 
          YES. 
          AND I GUESS PART OF THAT, THAT'S A BIG THING TOO, IS THE PARKING IN POSSE GROUNDS. 
          SO WHETHER IT'S CELEBRATION OF SPRING FOR OUR OWN EVENT FESTIVAL, THOSE TYPE OF ONES, I MEAN WE'RE ALWAYS MAXING PARKING AND THEN HAVING OUR LOVELY OFFICERS HAVE TO COME BY AND TICKET OR TOW CARS OR THINGS LIKE THAT WHEN THEY PARK THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS OR DIFFERENT ISSUES LIKE THAT THAT WE REALLY HAVE WORKED TO IMPROVE UPON. 
          AND IT HAS GOTTEN BETTER OVER THE YEARS WITH THE USE OF THE SHUTTLE AND DIFFERENT PARTNERSHIPS THERE. 
          BUT WE'RE HITTING EVERY PARKING SPOT AND HAVING PARKING AT ATTENDANTS PARK CARS IN EVERY SPACE. 
          THEY CAN SQUEEZE SOMEONE IN THERE. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, EVEN ON PRIVATE EVENTS, WHETHER IT'S MOUNTAIN BIKE FESTIVAL OR OTHER ONES THAT ARE IN THERE HITTING THAT SAME CAPACITY. 
          SO PARKING IS ANOTHER BIG LIMITING FACTOR ON THE SIZE OF EVENTS THAT WE CAN DO. 
          DEREK, IF THE CITY OWNED THE FORMER SOFTBALL FIELD OVER NEXT TO WEST SEDONA, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE DONE WITH THAT? OH, IT WOULD BE AWESOME. 
          WE COULD, WE 
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PREVIOUSLY WE USED THAT AS SOME OVERFLOW PARKING, SO FOR THAT CELEBRATION OF SPRING EVENT WOULD'VE BEEN PROBABLY 2022 OR 23 MAYBE BOTH. 
          WE DID USE THAT AS OVERFLOW PARKING, WHICH FIT ANOTHER 140, 150 CARS IN THERE. 
          THAT WORKED GREATLY. 
          UM, AND THEN JUST HAVING THAT AS WHETHER, HOWEVER IT WOULD BE TURNED INTO, IF WE TOOK IT OVER AND TURNED IT INTO A FIELD SPACE OR EVENT SPACE, BEING ABLE TO HOST EVENTS THERE RATHER THAN ON THE SOCCER FIELD OR A COMBINATION OF BOTH WOULD BE AMAZING. 
          UM, I THINK SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT LOCATION FOR JULY 4TH, WHEN WE DO OUR BIG POOL EVENT, IF WE'D BE ABLE TO HAVE PART OF THAT EVENT IN THE GRASS IN THAT SPACE, THAT WOULD BE VERY, VERY NICE AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF YOU, IF THE CITY WERE TO TAKE OVER THE POOL, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THINGS YOU WOULD WANT TO DO TO MAKE IT MORE USABLE. 
          YEAH. 
          WOULD THAT BE THE POOL YOU WOULD, I MEAN, WOULD YOU UPGRADE THE EXISTING ONE OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, THE AREA OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER ONE SOMEWHERE AT SOME POINT. 
          BIG DREAM PICTURE PERFECT WORLD WOULD BE HAVING AN AQUATIC CENTER, LIKE A BRAND NEW ONE THAT WOULD BE BUILT, UM, THAT COULD BE DONE IN THE EXISTING POOL. 
          IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY TAKE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT TO THAT AS IN THAT LOCATION. 
          IT IS IN NEED OF SOME MAJOR REPAIRS COMING UP HERE SOON WITH LOTS OF THE POOL PLASTERING. 
          THE LOCKER ROOMS ARE IN GREAT NEED OF SOME REPAIR AS WELL AS JUST SOME OF THE PUMP ROOM AND MECHANICAL ISSUES THERE. 
          WE KINDA KEEP BANDAID FIXING IT ENOUGH TO MAKE IT WORK EACH YEAR, BUT ULTIMATELY IF IT WAS OURS, WE'D NEED TO PUT A SIGNIFICANT CHUNK OF IMPROVEMENT IN IT AND COULD MAKE THAT A SIGNIFICANT POOL. 
          IDEALLY HAVING A SPACE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA COMPARE TO COTTONWOOD REC CENTER, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE IT'S AN INDOOR OUTDOOR POOL FACILITY WITH HOW MUCH USAGE WE GET IN THE POOL HERE AND THE COMMUNITY LOVES IT, I BELIEVE WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THANKS JOSH. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO IF Y'ALL DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR PARKS AND REC, WHO'S NEXT? ALL RIGHT. 
          GENERAL SERVICES IS NEXT. 
          SO THIS WILL BE STERLING AND ME. 
          UM, GENERAL SERVICES, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY SALARIES IN GENERAL SERVICES. 
          THIS IS WHERE WE PUT THINGS LIKE THE, UH, THE DEBT SERVICE AND INSURANCE COSTS AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE FROM A CITYWIDE REPORTING, WHICH IS REALLY A, A SIGNIFICANT PAIN TO, UH, PUT IT IN ONE PLACE SO IT'S EASIER TO TRACK. 
          UM, THIS IS ALSO WHERE WE HAVE THE, THE GRANTS THAT ARE AWARDED, THAT'S WITHIN THE, IN GENERAL SERVICES AND COMMUNITY CONTRACTS OR SO IN GENERAL SERVICES AS WELL AS CONTINGENCY, SORRY, I ALMOST FORGOT ABOUT CONTINGENCY. 
          THAT'S KIND OF A BIG DEAL. 
          AND THIS IS WHERE CONTINGENCIES ARE AS ASSUMED IN THE BUDGET. 
          WE HAVE A GENERAL FUND TO OPERATING WASTEWATER, OPERATING JUDGMENTS. 
          I GUESS WE HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND, UM, HOUSING AND THEN GRANTS IS A LITTLE LOWER THAN LAST YEAR BECAUSE THE GRANT CONTINGENCY IS FOR GRANTS THAT WE HOPE WE'LL GET AND WE HAVE TO BUDGET THEM EITHER BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MATCH OR IF WE WANNA ACTUALLY SPEND THEM. 
          WE HAVE TO BUDGET THEM UPFRONT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE GRANT CONTINGENCIES. 
          SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT OR DID YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE, UM, LEASES THAT ARE IN, UH, GENERAL SERVICES? I LIKE TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING. 
          WHY IS THERE AN ASTERISK NEXT TO IT? WHAT IS, UM, IT'S, WHY DO WE HAVE AN ASTERISK NEXT TO THAT ONE? 'CAUSE WE DISCUSSED WANTING TO REVIEW THIS CONTINGENCY. 
          OH. 
          BECAUSE YOU ALL MENTIONED THAT YOU WANTED TO REVIEW IT AND DISCUSS IF YOU WANTED TO KEEP THAT AS A CONTINGENCY THIS YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASSUMING, BUT I WANTED TO YES, CHECK. 
          'CAUSE IT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING NOW WHETHER WE WANNA DISCUSS IT HERE OR DO WE NOT HAVE IT IN A, WHEN WE GO TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, HAVE THE HOUSING PROGRAM, DOES THIS NOT SHOW UP AGAIN IN THAT SECTION FOR THE DISCUSSION? OR SHOULD THEY DO IT NOW? IT ABSOLUTELY CAN BE TALKED ABOUT AT EITHER TIME. 
          SO IF YOU WOULD PREFER, LIKE, WE COULD ABSOLUTELY TALK ABOUT IT WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, THEY CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK TO IT WITH MUCH MORE EXPERTISE THAN I CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO TONY, HEADS UP. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE DEBT SERVICE AND LEASES, CHARLOTTE? YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND, AND WHEN I WAS MAKING A NOTE, SO IT MIGHT GO BACK BEFORE WE GET TO THAT SERVICE, BUT DID YOU SAY 
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JUDGMENTS ARE IN GENERAL SERVICES? UH, WE HAVE A CONTINGENCY FOR JUDGMENTS IN WHICH IS LIKE ADDITIONAL YES. 
          IN THIS PLACE. 
          SO SETTLEMENTS ARE IN LEGAL AND JUDGMENTS ARE IN GENERAL SERVICES. 
          THIS IS MORE OF A, LIKE, IT'S NOT REALLY THE SAME THING. 
          LIKE DO YOU WANNA DESCRIBE WHAT'S DIFFERENT? SO GO AHEAD KURT. 
          LEMME DROP THAT ON YOU. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING WHY ISN'T WHY TWO PLACES? SO THIS ONE IS, ALTHOUGH IT CAN BE, CAN BE USED AS SPILLOVER AND IT WAS USED IN 2016. 
          SO WHEN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S BUDGET WAS, UM, SETTLEMENTS, DEDUCTIBLES AND CLAIMS THAT BUDGET LINE ITEM WAS, UH, EXCEEDED, IT SPILLED OVER TO THIS ACCOUNT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS HERE ALSO FOR. 
          WE DO USE THIS ONE EACH YEAR FOR SMALL SEWER BACKUP. 
          SO THAT ARE THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITIES. 
          SO WHEN, UM, ROOTS GET INTO THE CITY'S LINE AND BACKS UP ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY, SO IT'S USED ALMOST YEARLY FOR THAT. 
          THOSE TEND TO BE SMALL. 
          UM, IN MY TIME HERE, THE BIGGEST ONE WAS ABOUT A $20,000 CLEANUP, BUT MOST OF THE TIME THEY'RE TWO TO $3,000. 
          THEY'RE CAUGHT PRETTY QUICKLY AND CLEANED UP. 
          BUT, UM, THIS IS IN THE WASTEWATER, UH, FOR, FOR PRIMARILY FOR THAT REASON. 
          SO, BUT IT CAN BE USED ON EITHER WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND ANOTHER QUESTION, INSURANCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE LIABILITY INSURANCE AND SO FORTH? YES. 
          PROPERTY AND LIABILITY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IS GENERAL SERVICES SOMETHING THAT'S ALLOCATED? ASPECTS OF IT ALLOCATED? YES. 
          YES. 
          WE, WE DON'T ALLOCATE ALL OF IT, BUT WE DO ALLOCATE IT IN OUR COST ALLOCATION TO DEPARTMENTS, YES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS PRE ALLOCATION. 
          A PRE ALLOCATION MA'AM? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BECAUSE I NOTICED, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE TAKING DEBT SERVICE OUT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN ALL CASES, BUT, AND MOVING THEM TO THE PROGRAMS FOR WHICH THEY PERTAIN. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO I WONDERED IF YOU WERE SORT OF CLEARING OUT GENERAL SERVICES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          WELL, DEBT SERVICE WILL ACTUALLY RESIDE EXCLUSIVELY HERE, BUT THEN WE WILL IN THE COST ALLOCATION, WHICH WILL BE THE TRANSFERS BETWEEN FUNDS MM-HMM . 
          YOU'LL SEE LIKE THE ALLOCATION FOR DEBT SERVICE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, RATHER THAN CHARGING IT OUT SORT OF ALL OVER THE CITY. 
          WELL RIGHT. 
          IN THE BUDGET PIECE, WHICH, WHICH IS JUST FEELS TO ME LIKE OVER COMPLICATED. 
          'CAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY EASILY SEE IT IN ONE PLACE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          LIKE, I PREFER TO DO IT AS HERE IT IS. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE A SEPARATE THING WHERE WE SAY, OKAY, HERE ARE THE TRANSFERS THAT INCLUDE THAT, THE COST THAT'S ASSIGNED. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN OKAY, AS, AS IT PERTAINS TO WHEN WE GET TO THE DEBT, ACTUAL TALKING ABOUT DEBT SERVICE, YOU ALSO HAD A LIST OF, UH, LEASED ITEMS AND SO FORTH. 
          OH, DO YOU HAVE THE LIST THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE? YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE IN, UH, GS STARTING AT GS 11 IN YOUR, UH, BUDGET BOOK BINDERS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHAT IT MADE ME THINK OF, BECAUSE YOU WERE KIND OF TYING 'EM TOGETHER IN THAT WAY WAS IF WE WERE UNDER A, UM, PBA FOR PURPOSES OF, YOU KNOW, DEBT SERVICE COMING OUT OF THE CALCULATION, WOULD THOSE ALSO COME OUT OF THE CALCULATION? IS THAT WHY YOU'RE KINDA LIMPING, WE SORT OF HAD 'EM TOGETHER OR NEXT TO ONE ANOTHER? OR, UM, IS THAT AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT KIND OF, WHICH I WOULD'VE PRESUMED DIFFERENT KIND OF DEBT SERVICE. 
          THEY'RE A, THEY'RE DEFINITELY A, A DIFFERENT KIND OF DEBT BECAUSE LIKE THIS ONE WE LOOK AT THIS, THIS IS ALL THOSE LONG-TERM DEBT BANKS. 
          YEAH. 
          BONDS VERSUS YEAH. 
          VERSUS THOSE OTHER. 
          BUT FOR PURPOSES OF LIKE A PBA WOULD THOSE KINDS OF DEBT, THOSE OTHER KINDS OF DEBT LEASED ITEMS COME OUT OF THE CALCULATION? NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I THINK WE ASSUMED ALL THE DEBT OBLIGATIONS. 
          YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          I, WE ASSUMED FOR THE, UH, THE PAMPHLET ALL OF OUR, ALL OF THE CITY'S DEBT OBLIGATIONS WOULD BE A PART OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING ELSE BRIAN? NO. 
          BARBARA WAS ASKING IF WE WANTED TO GO THROUGH, UH, PAGE GS 11 AND IDENTIFY ANYTHING THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER GOING AHEAD AND PAYING OFF NOW. 
          AND DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THOSE STERLING IN GENERAL? WHICH ONE MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE SECTION IN THE BACK PAGE GS 11. 
          OKAY. 
          SO OF, OF THE CITY'S DEBT, UM, BOND OBLIGATIONS, THERE'S ONLY ONE BOND SERIES THAT THE CITY COULD, UH, PAY OFF EARLY, WHICH IS THE SECOND SERIES 2022 BONDS, WHICH WAS ISSUED FOR THE WESTERN GATEWAY LAND PURCHASE. 
          THAT ONE IS CALLABLE AT ANY TIME, JUST REQUIRES A 30 DAY NOTICE. 
          UM, AND THEN TO SEE THE SCHEDULE OF THAT AMOUNT IS GOING TO BE ON PAGE GS 14. 
          SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF 
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REMAINING DEBT PAYMENTS, INCLUDING PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST IS ON GS 14. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN, UM, THAT'S JUST THE CITY'S DEBT OBLIGATIONS IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO INTO, UH, OTHER EQUIPMENT. 
          WE HAVE ENERGY EFFICIENCY EQUIPMENT, WE HAVE POLICE VEHICLES BACK, UH, FROM, CAN I JUST JUMP IN? I MEAN, THE, THE, THE DECISION IS IS WOULD WE PAY SOMETHING OFF AT A HIGHER INTEREST RATE THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING FOR OUR MONEY THAT'S SITTING IN THE BANK? SO WHAT, WHAT NUMBER SHOULD WE BE USING AS THE MONEY SITTING IN THE BANK? THREE POINT WHAT, UH, THAT WE'RE EARNING AT THE BANK. 
          UH, LAST RATE WAS ABOUT 3.5 AT WELLS FARGO, SO 3.5. 
          SO ANYTHING ON THIS LIST THAT CAN BE PAID WITHOUT A PREPAYMENT PENALTY OR IS OTHERWISE CALLABLE THAT IS AT AN INTEREST RATE GREATER THAN 3.5? IT WOULD BE WORTH IT FOR US TO DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT TO PAY THAT OFF RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          WITH SURPLUS MONEY THAT WE HAVE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHEN DO WE WANNA DO THAT? I THINK BARBARA'S SAYING WE CAN DO IT NOW OR WE CAN DO IT TOMORROW. 
          YEAH, WE COULD ALSO ADD A SLIDE SO THAT YOU HAVE IT UP BEFORE YOU, IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT TOMORROW, LIKE RIGHT BEFORE YOU DO MAYBE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PARTNERSHIP STUFF. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA SHOW US JUST THE ONES THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. 
          JUST THE ONES THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. 
          PERFECT. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BECAUSE YOU KNOW, STERLING WILL HAVE THAT LIKE, READY TO GO IN LIKE 10 MINUTES OVER HERE. 
          YOU'RE WORKING ON IT RIGHT NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA GO OVER THE, UM, DEBT COVERAGE PLEDGE REVENUE COVERAGES, WHICH IS GS NINE NOW. 
          WHERE DO YOU HAVE THAT IN THE, OR JUST THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS AND HOW THAT WORKS. 
          OH, OH, I KNOW WHERE THAT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT IS, THAT IS WAY DOWN HERE. 
          I FORGOT THAT I HAVE THAT AT THE END OF CIP BUT WE CAN LOOK AT IT NOW. 
          NO, THAT'D BE FINE. 
          JUST AS LONG. 
          THIS IS THAT OKAY? YEAH. 
          OKAY, BECAUSE I HAVE A WHOLE SLIDE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THE, UM, IN WASTEWATER AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE RFP FOR A RATE STUDY THAT'S OUT RIGHT NOW AND THEN TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ISSUING DEBT FOR THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE COMING UP AND, YOU KNOW, THAT CAPACITY. 
          SO YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LAST ON THE CIP LIST WITH ALL THAT STUFF. 
          I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AS WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH WASTEWATER. 
          RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO SHALL WE MOVE INTO WASTEWATER OPERATIONS NOW? SURE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO ROXANNE IS HERE. 
          YAY. 
          AND WE'VE GOT HER DEPARTMENT, WELL HER STILL RUNNING A DEPARTMENT, BUT YOU KNOW, PART OF HER WHOLE DEPARTMENT WASTEWATER DIVISION NOW BROKEN INTO A ADMIN CAPITAL PROJECTS, PLANT OPERATIONS COLLECTIONS, AND THE LAB. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE ALL OF THE SORT OF PROGRAMS WITHIN THAT DIVISION. 
          AND THEN WE'VE GOT EACH OF THOSE WITH ITS OWN, UH, SLIDE THAT HAS THE CATEGORIES OF THE EXPENDITURE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY PARTICULAR ONES YOU WANT TO LOOK AT OR YOU WANNA TAKE, OR IF THERE'S ANYTHING PARTICULAR THAT ROXANNE WANTS TO POINT OUT OR KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS Y'ALL HAVE A PARTICULAR INTEREST IN. 
          I I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ANNETTE NOW THAT, UM, IT'S BEEN A PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED ABOUT OUR CHANGE IN PERSONNEL AND KURT'S RETIREMENT ROXANNE'S PROMOTION. 
          UH, ARE YOU, IS THERE SOMETHING IN 27 IN TERMS OF CONSOLIDATION OF THE TWO DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE BUDGETARY IMPACTS? I THINK WE'VE ALREADY CAPTURED IT IN THE NUMBERS THAT ARE IN THE BUDGET PRESENTED TO YOU. 
          AND WE HAVEN'T PUBLICLY DONE A PRESS RELEASE OR ANYTHING ABOUT ROXANNE'S PROMOTION. 
          WE ARE PLANNING TO DO THAT WHEN WE GET CLOSER TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE, WHICH IS IN JULY. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW SHE'S SHADOWING KURT TO GET READY FOR THAT. 
          UM, INTERNALLY WE'VE LET THE STAFF KNOW. 
          BUT AS FAR AS THE FINANCIAL STRUCTURE AND ALL OF THAT, THAT'S ALREADY BUILT INTO THIS IF, DOES THAT HELP ANSWER THE QUESTION? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, CAT'S OUTTA THE BAG NOW. 
          . 
          WELL, IT'S, WE GOT AN EMAIL. 
          IT'S PUBLIC, RIGHT? I KNOW . 
          YEAH, I THOUGHT IT HAD THE YEAH, PUBLIC PUBLIC AS WELL. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, IT IS PUBLIC. 
          IT'S NOT A SECRET, IT'S JUST WE HAVEN'T DONE THE PRESS RELEASE YET FOR THE PAPER TO COVER IT. 
          UM, SO JUST PLANT THAT BACK THERE. 
          JOE , WE'LL BE HAVING A GREAT STORY FOR YOU 
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 AND CONGRATULATIONS, ROXANNE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ABOUT WASTEWATER? WE'LL BE GETTING A LOT, A MUCH DEEPER DIVE INTO WASTEWATER WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE RATE STUDY AND PLANNING MOVING FORWARD. 
          WELL, I THINK IT'S REALLY ON THE CAPITAL SIDE YEAH. 
          WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE GONNA BE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT, UM, IS DRIVING THE NEED TO LIKE ISSUE DEBT AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE A RATE STUDY SO THAT THAT FUND IS SUSTAINABLE OVER THE LONG TERM. 
          ROXANNE, IS THERE ANYTHING WE SHOULD KNOW? DO YOU WANNA NO, I DON'T THINK FOR OPERATING BUDGET. 
          I MEAN, WE WERE ABLE TO CUT IT SLIGHTLY, UM, BUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS AS THIS CURRENT YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S EASY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT THEN. 
          UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT HERE IS BROKEN INTO SIX PROGRAMS, ADMINISTRATION PLANNING, WHICH NOW INCLUDES LONG RANGE PLANNING. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S LIKE, IT'S ACTUALLY FIVE PROGRAMS. SO LONG RANGE PLANNING IS GOING AWAY AND ROLLING INTO REGULAR PLANNING. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE NOT GONNA DO LONG RANGE PLANNING. 
          THEY'RE JUST IN ONE PROGRAM NOW. 
          UM, BUILDING SAFETY CODE ENFORCEMENT AND HOUSING. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE TWO DECISION PACKAGES ATTACHED TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S ADMIN WHERE YOU'VE GOT SOME DECREASES. 
          AND AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE DECREASES THAT YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL SEE LITTLE INCREASES IN OTHER PLACES WHEN THEY'RE FAIRLY SMALL. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE JUST OFFSETTING. 
          AND THERE'S PLANNING, OF COURSE, HAS INCREASES BECAUSE WE'VE ROLLED LONG RANGE PLANNING IN LOTS OF KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS, UM, THAT TELL US, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT AND WHAT TO EXPECT. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE BUILDING SAFETY AND THEIR KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS AND THEIRS HAVE A LOT OF LIKE TIMEFRAMES, LIKE HOW LONG IT TAKES US TO DO CERTAIN THINGS. 
          BUILDING SAFETY HAS A LOT. 
          AND THEN CODE ENFORCEMENT ALSO. 
          AND THEY HAVE QUITE A FEW PERFORMANCE MEASURES AS WELL RELATED TO INVESTIGATIONS, COMPLAINTS, UM, THEN THE RESOLUTION OF CASES. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE THE HOUSING, UH, PROGRAM, WHICH IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK FURTHER ABOUT THE HOUSING PROGRAM AND THE $2 MILLION, UH, CONTINGENCY NOW WOULD BE THE TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND THEN ALSO I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE STRATEGY AROUND THE LDC UPDATES. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COUNSEL. 
          UM, WHICH TOPIC WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS FIRST? WHICHEVER YOU'D LIKE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT THE LDC UPDATES. 
          UM, WITH THE, WHAT WE'RE PREPARING TO DO CURRENTLY IS WE'RE GEARING UP FOR WHAT WE CALL A CODE CRITIQUE. 
          UM, WE'LL BE DOING THAT IN-HOUSE. 
          UM, THE CONCEPT BEHIND THE CODE CRITIQUE IS THAT WE ARE BASICALLY OPENING THE DOORS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN INVOLVED OR HAS A GREAT IDEA OR IS DISGRUNTLED ABOUT THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS, UM, TO GET CONCEPTS OUT IN THE OPEN. 
          WE HEAR A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE GOOD, UM, WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, OR WE WISH IT COULD DO THIS BETTER OR WE WISH IT WOULD DO LESS OF THIS. 
          UM, SO WE WANT TO OPEN THAT UP AND GIVE EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WHAT'S ON THEIR MIND. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA DO THAT TWOFOLD WAYS. 
          UM, ONE, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UM, HOUSE, AN OPEN FORUM WHERE WE'LL INVITE INDIVIDUALS TO COME IN AND GIVE THEIR THOUGHTS, UM, THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND, AND UH, RECORD. 
          UH, WE'RE ALSO GONNA DO THAT ONLINE AND GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, COME IN ONLINE, BUT THEN ALSO EMAILS, WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          UM, WE ALSO KEEP A RUNNING TAB OF THINGS THAT WE SEE, UM, THAT HAVE POTENTIAL FOR IMPROVEMENT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          AND WE HAVE AN ONGOING ITEM ON PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION NOW, UM, TO COME UP WITH ANY ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION AS IT'S ONGOING TO ALSO RECORD THOSE. 
          SO THE IDEA BEHIND THE CODE CRITIQUE IS TO GO AHEAD AND CATALOG 
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THOSE IDEAS, BARRIERS, YOU NAME IT, UM, THAT WE CAN SEE AND GO AHEAD AND PUT, BUILD THAT FRAMEWORK IN ADVANCE OF BRINGING IN A CONSULTANT TO DO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          SO THE IDEA IS THAT THAT WOULD BE ABOUT A TWO MONTH PROCESS. 
          UM, WHILE THAT PROCESS IS GOING ON, WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND ISSUE AN RFP TO, UH, TO BRING IN A CONSULTANT TEAM TO, UH, TO DO THE CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          SO HAVE YOU ALREADY STARTED THE OUTREACH PROCESS OR IS THAT PLANNED FOR 27? SO THE OUTREACH, DO YOU JUST GIVE A TIMELINE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          SO THE IDEA IS THAT IN MAY, WE, WERE INITIALLY GONNA DO THIS IN APRIL, UM, BUT THERE'S A PARTICULAR PIECE OF SOFTWARE WE'RE LOOKING INTO THAT COULD ADD ON TO OUR CURRENT, UM, ONE OF OUR CURRENT CONTRACTS THAT DOES AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. 
          AND SO WE'RE WANTING TO SEE IF WE CAN ADD THAT IN A COST-EFFECTIVE WAY. 
          UM, AND THAT WILL HELP US IN THE ONLINE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. 
          AND, AND I THINK IT'LL BE AN EXTRAORDINARY ADDITION AGAIN, IF IT, IF IT COSTS OUT. 
          UM, SO WE WERE HOPING TO DO THIS, BEGIN THE CODE CRITIQUE IN APRIL. 
          THAT'S THE DELAY WHILE WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. 
          SO IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSER TOWARDS THE END OF MAY THAT WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE CODE CRITIQUE. 
          UM, SO WE WOULD DO THAT FOR THAT TWO PERIOD, TWO MONTH PERIOD IN THE BALLPARK OF LATE JUNE IS WHEN WE WOULD ISSUE AN RFP FOR CONSULTANTS TO DO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          UM, WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT NOW BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE THE CODE CRITIQUE UNDERWAY, AND THAT WAY WHEN WE DO HAVE A CONSULTANT, WE CAN IMMEDIATELY HAND THEM A PRODUCT THAT THEY CAN THEN TURN AROUND AND BUILD OFF OF. 
          SO AGAIN, TRYING TO KEEP OUR COSTS DOWN ON THE MONEY THAT WE PAY A CONSULTANT BY DOING AS MUCH AS WE CAN IN-HOUSE. 
          UM, SO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WORK DONE BY A CONSULTANT WILL TAKE ROUGHLY A YEAR, UM, TO GO AHEAD AND GO, THAT'S, THAT'S A BALLPARK NUMBER. 
          HONESTLY, THAT'S WHAT WE ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE IS IT TAKES A YEAR, UM, IF WE DO ANY, SO WHERE'S THE MONEY FOR THAT IN THE BUDGET? SO THAT MONEY IS A CARRYOVER. 
          IT WAS 300,000 THAT WAS PUT IN THIS YEAR AND OBVIOUSLY IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 
          UM, SO WE'VE REQUESTED THAT THAT 300,000 CARRY OVER, UM, INTO THE FOLLOWING YEAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          AND THEN HOW LONG DO YOU EXPECT ONCE, SO LET'S SAY YOU ISSUE A-A-R-F-P IN JULY MM-HMM . 
          BY SEPTEMBER YOU'RE CONTRACTED. 
          YEAH. 
          GIVE YOU A CUSHION. 
          YEAH. 
          HOW LONG DO YOU EXPECT THAT IT WOULD BE A YEAR'S PROCESS? A YEAR? YEAH. 
          SO THE PROCESS TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE CHANGES TO THE PLAN OR DO THE CHANGES TO THE LDC, UM, PROBABLY IN THE BALLPARK OF 10 MONTHS. 
          AND THEN THAT GIVES US TWO MONTHS TOWARDS THE END, UM, TO BRING IT FORWARD, GET, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC PNZ PROCESS, GO THROUGH THE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH CITY COUNCIL PROCESS, MAKE ANY CHANGES. 
          THERE'S ALWAYS CHANGES  WITH A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE, SO IT WOULD BE ABOUT 12 MONTHS ALL IN ALL IN TO DO THAT. 
          UH, AT THE SAME TIME, WE WILL ALSO BE CONCURRENTLY AMENDING THE DIGA. 
          SO SINCE THE TWO GO HAND IN HAND, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT BOTH OF THEM SIMULTANEOUSLY. 
          WE'LL ASK THE CONSULTANTS TO HELP US ON THAT, BUT PRIMARILY WE'LL BE TAKING CARE OF THE DIGA IN-HOUSE WITH THEIR EXPERTISE ADDED ONTO IT. 
          SO BOTH OF THOSE WILL HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO ARE YOU GONNA HAVE A CORE WORK GROUP MADE OUT, MADE UP OF EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS THROUGHOUT THAT WHOLE PROCESS? YEAH, SO WILL, IT'S BEST TO HAVE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UM, THAT IS OUTSIDE OF YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE. 
          AND CERTAINLY OUTSIDE OF STAFF. 
          SO IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO INCLUDE A COUPLE MEMBERS OF WHETHER IT'S STAFF OR, OR, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE. 
          BUT YOU ABSOLUTELY WANT OTHER PEOPLE, UM, THAT ARE, UM, WHETHER THEY'RE DEVELOPERS, BUILDERS, UM, JUST RESIDENTS, ARCHITECTS, ARCHITECTS, YOU NAME IT, PEOPLE THAT CAN UNDERSTAND HOW TO WORK A CODE, UM, OR THAT UNDERSTAND BARRIERS. 
          UM, SO YEAH, WE'LL DEFINITELY WANT AN ADVISORY GROUP THAT WE CAN REACT TO, BUT THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE A LOT OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WITH THIS AS WELL. 
          AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ON A LOT OF PEOPLE'S MINDS, UM, BOTH POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE. 
          AND WE WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, SOME OF THE BEST IDEAS DON'T COME FROM THE GUY BEHIND THE PODIUM. 
          SO, UM, SO YEAH. 
          WE'LL WE WILL EXPECT OUR CONSULTANT TEAM TO COME IN WITH A FAIRLY ROBUST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE, THE CONSULTANTS WILL DO THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AS WELL AS THE REWRITE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN SEE WHY IT WOULD TAKE 10 MONTHS. 
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OKAY. 
          BECAUSE WE MOVED TO HOUSING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AS IT RELATES TO HOUSING, UM, THERE'S, I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT OF COURSE WE'LL BE RESPONDING TO THE RESULTS OF THE BALANCE HOUSING STRATEGY. 
          AND SO WE HAVE HELD OFF ON, UH, MAKING MOVES WITH PROPERTIES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLAY 24 11 AND, UM, SUNSET LOFTS. 
          UM, SO THOSE TWO EXISTING PROPERTIES WE'VE HELD OFF BECAUSE THE NUMBERS AND THE TYPES OF UNITS WE'D BE LOOKING FOR COULD POTENTIALLY BE DIFFERENT, UM, THAN WHAT WAS INITIALLY ENVISIONED FOR THOSE TWO PROPERTIES. 
          SO WITH THAT IN MIND, THEN WE ARE, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE WE CAN GO WITH THAT AND WHAT THE DEMAND IS, THEN WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY TRY TO LOOK AT WHETHER IT'S REISSUING RFPS, REIMAGINING THE DESIGN FOR THOSE, ET CETERA, AND START TO MOVE FORWARD, UM, WITH THOSE TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY. 
          SO, AND I THINK IF YOU GO IN YOUR BINDER, UM, BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE CONTINGENCY, IF YOU GO TO THE TAB KIND OF NEAR THE FRONT THAT SAYS FUND SUMMARIES AND GO TO PAGE FIVE, THAT'S THE HOUSING FUND ALL IN ONE PLACE WHERE YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE SET ASIDE FOR WHAT PURPOSE IN THE HOUSING FUND, BECAUSE WE ACCOUNT FOR ALL OF THAT INDEPENDENT OF THE GENERAL FUND AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          SO THAT MIGHT HELP WITH YOUR DISCUSSION. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THERE WERE PREVIOUSLY EARMARKS FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS, AND THAT'S WHAT TONY'S REFERRING TO, UM, IS THAT DEPENDING ON THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY OUTCOMES, WE MIGHT DO DIFFERENT THINGS ON THOSE PROPERTIES THAN GIVE LOANS OR WHATEVER. 
          I MEAN, THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENT TOOL WE USE. 
          AND LAST YEAR YOU HAD ASKED US TO, UM, INSTEAD OF HAVING THE, UM, YOU ASKED US TO MOVE SOME MONEY UP OUT OF THE RESERVE INTO CONTINGENCY IN CASE THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT PRESENTED ITSELF FOR LAND ACQUISITION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE ON IT. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THAT 2 MILLION CAME FROM LAST YEAR. 
          SO IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANNA LEAVE THAT THERE OR CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL FIND IT. 
          IS THERE AN ADDITIONAL 2 MILLION IN THE BUDGET OR IS THAT THE CARRYOVER OF THIS 2 MILLION? YEAH, JUST, JUST THE, IT WAS UNUSED IN FY 26, WHICH JUST A REPURPOSED, REPURPOSED THE TUBING. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S JUST CONTINUING TO SIT THERE AS A PLACEHOLDER. 
          SO I THINK THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE FORMER HOUSING DIRECTOR. 
          I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT IT? DOES 2 MILLION MEAN ANYTHING? I MEAN, SHOULD IT BE 3 MILLION, SHOULD IT BE 500,000, YOU KNOW, TWO MILLION'S, NOT ENOUGH. 
          UM, JUST BEING VERY CANDID, 2 MILLION IS, IS NOT ENOUGH. 
          AND WHEN WE BEGIN TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF STRATEGIES WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BEING ABLE TO ENCOURAGE WORKING AGE HOUSEHOLDS, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UNITS THAT ARE NOT ONE THAT ARE STUDIOS AND ONE BEDROOMS. NOW YOU'RE TALKING THREE BEDROOM UNITS, FOUR BEDROOM UNITS. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS THE COST FACTOR, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY UNITS YOU CAN NOW PUT ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          SO THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE DEVELOPER'S ABILITY TO, TO BUILD A PROFIT. 
          SO AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO, AND THIS IS, THIS IS GONNA BE PART OF WHERE LOGAN SIMPSON HELPS US, UM, IN THE STRATEGIES THAT COME ALONG WITH THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY, BUT THE, OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          BUT, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE'LL NEED TO UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS AS IT RELATES TO HELP BUYING DOWN THE COST OF PROPERTY, UM, OR ACQUIRING PROPERTY OR HELPING TO, UH, TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INCENTIVES ON TOP OF THAT JUST TO MAKE SOME OF THESE TYPES OF PRIVATE PROPERTIES WORK. 
          I I WILL SAY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S EXPENSIVE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF, OF HOUSING. 
          THE THING I WILL APPLAUD YOU ON IS ADDRESSING IT NOW BEFORE YOU'VE RUN OFF A CLIFF. 
          UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER TOURIST DRIVEN COMMUNITIES WHO ARE NOW ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING IT BEFORE. 
          SO, UM, IT'S GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE. 
          IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS EXPENSIVE AS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HAD YOU WAITED 10 YEARS TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE. 
          SO, UM, BUT I CAN'T GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF YET WHAT THOSE COSTS LOOK LIKE UNTIL WE GET THROUGH THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY. 
          I CAN JUST TELL YOU $2 MILLION IS NOT GONNA DO IT. 
          SO, SO THEN THE QUESTION IS WHAT DO WE DO? BECAUSE WE HAVE 18 NOT ON THAT PAGE 18, 18 7 IN. 
          AND WHERE IS THAT EXACTLY IN RESERVES? 
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IT'S JUST IN, IT IS IN RESERVES. 
          AND YOU CREATED THE HOUSING RESERVE. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S A POLICY RESERVE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S A POLICY RESERVE THAT WAS CREATED, BUT THAT'S A COUNCIL DRIVEN RESERVE. 
          SO IT IS ENTIRELY UP TO COUNCIL TO DECIDE HOW THAT SHOULD BE USED AND WHEN YOU WANNA MOVE ANY OF IT INTO OPERATIONS TO, YOU KNOW, ENABLE SOMETHING LIKE TONY'S TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY, YOU KNOW, TO MILLION MAY NOT GET US FAR, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT'S A YEAR PROCESS YOU WERE SAYING TO KIND OF, WELL, SO THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY IS A 10 YEAR STRATEGY, RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT SAYING LET'S DO ALL OF IT. 
          SORRY. 
          YEAH, NO, YOU'RE FINE. 
          SO WE'RE NOT SAYING LET'S DO ALL OF IT AT, BUT IT IS AS MUCH AS ANYTHING, IT'S AN AWARENESS TOOL THAT WE KNOW THAT OVER THE COURSE OF 10 YEARS WE'RE GONNA BE SPENDING A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY. 
          UM, THE BEST THING WE CAN DO TO A DEVELOPER'S CAPITAL STACK IS BUY THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, THAT DOES TEND TO BE ONE OF OUR BEST WAYS TO REDUCE, UM, THE COST TO A DEVELOPER. 
          IT ALSO PUTS US IN CONTROL, UM, OF WHAT HAPPENS TO THE FUTURE OF THAT PROPERTY. 
          SAY FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE WE OWN IT, IF WE WERE TO LEASE THE PROPERTY BACK, WE CAN INSURE NO SHORT TERM RENTALS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S OUR PROPERTY . 
          SO THERE'S DIFFERENT BENEFITS TO BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          THAT'S, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          I'M SAYING THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER IS UH, UM, AND THERE'LL BE OTHER STRATEGIES THAT, AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME OUT OF IT TOO. 
          IT'S JUST FAIR WARNING. 
          NONE OF IT'S CHEAP. 
          SO WHEN ARE YOU PRESENTING THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY? SO WE ARE GONNA BE HOSTING THE HOUSING THINK TANK MAY 13TH, AND THEN FROM THERE LOGAN SIMPSON WILL BE MOVING INTO BUILDING A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT DONE AT THE END OF JUNE. 
          AND REMIND ME WHEN IS, WHEN ARE WE ADOPTING THE BUDGET? END OF THE END OF JUNE. 
          BUT WE SET THE CEILING ON THE BUDGET AT THE END OF MAY. 
          RIGHT? THE MAXIMUM. 
          YES, YES. 
          WE SET THE TENTATIVE BUDGET MM-HMM . 
          SO WE WOULD KNOW, WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW FOR THE BUDGET PURPOSES IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE THAT CONTINGENCY, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE BUILD THAT INTO THE MAXIMUM BUDGET ON IN MAY. 
          AND YOU CAN ALWAYS ADOPT A LOWER BUDGET IN JUNE, WHICH BECOMES THE FINAL. 
          BUT WE DO HAVE TO SET A CAP PER THE STATE LAW. 
          MELISSA. 
          SO I KNOW I FEEL LIKE A LITTLE BIT LIKE DEJA VU 'CAUSE LAST YEAR BUDGET I SAID WHY DON'T WE MOVE MONEY OUT OF THE POLICY RESERVE AND PUT IT INTO CONTINGENCY 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND IT, BUT IF FOR ANY REASON WE FOUND A BRILLIANT THING TO DO WITH IT, IT'S AVAILABLE FOR US TO DO. 
          WHEREAS IF WE LEAVE IT IN THE POLICY RESERVE, WE CANNOT TOUCH IT. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA SAY THAT AGAIN, AND HAVING SAID THAT AGAIN, UM, TONY, UH, YOU MENTIONED TWO SPECIFIC PROPERTIES MM-HMM . 
          AND WE'VE RATHER FAILED IN THE PAST, AT LEAST SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL TO ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING WITH THOSE PROPERTIES. 
          DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WITHIN THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR, WITHIN 27, THERE WOULD BE, IN YOUR MIND A NEED FOR US TO HAVE MORE OF THIS MONEY AVAILABLE FOR, FOR TWO THINGS, ONE, TO POTENTIALLY DO SOMETHING WITH THOSE PROPERTIES AND THEREFORE SORT OF HELP THE DEVELOPER PENCIL OUT FOR THESE LARGER UNITS OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE IN MIND OR COMES OUTTA THE BALANCED HOUSING SURE. 
          STRATEGY PROCESS. 
          UM, AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS, YOU ALSO SAID SOMETHING ABOUT LAND BEING THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. 
          YES. 
          WELL, WE HAVE LOTS OF LAND THAT WE ACTUALLY OWN. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF IT'S USABLE, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT COMES. 
          WELL, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WILL COME OUT OF YOUR STRATEGY AND PLANNING IS HOW MUCH OF THE PROPERTIES WE OWN ARE ACTUALLY USABLE, UM, FOR HOUSING BECAUSE OF THE LAY OF THE LAND OR, OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. 
          MY BIG CONCERN IS THAT THIS IS TOO CLOSE TO WHEN WE NEED TO HAVE THE BUDGET NUMBERS. 
          AND SO, UM, I THINK I WOULD FIND IT HELPFUL IF YOU PRETENDED THAT YOU COULD SEE THE FUTURE FOR A SECOND OR SHAKE YOUR EIGHT BALL SURE. 
          AND TURN IT OVER. 
          AND DO YOU BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING WHETHER OR NOT TO MOVE SOME OF THAT 18 MILLION THAT'S IN THE RESERVE UP INTO THE CONTINGENCY? BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE THAT'S IN FY 27, YOU CAN USE IT FOR EITHER LAND ACQUISITION OR YOU COULD USE IT TO ENTICE SOMEONE TO COME IN AND START TO BUILD SOME OF THE HOUSING THAT IS DECIDED UPON. 
          I THINK THE 2 MILLION THAT THERE IS IS SUFFICIENT FOR THIS 
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YEAR, UM, FOR THOSE TWO PARTICULAR PROPERTIES. 
          AND THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE TWO WE COULD IMMEDIATELY FOCUS ON, UM, WHAT WE NEED TO DO NEXT. 
          WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING OTHER POTENTIAL PROPERTIES, UM, THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE FOR NEW HOUSING THAT ARE NOT OWNED BY US, UM, THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO IN THE FUTURE LOOK INTO. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S A LONG PROCESS, UM, TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          AND, AND WHEN I SAY WE'VE LOOKED AT THEM, THAT MEANS WE'VE GOTTEN, WE, WE'VE JUMPED ON GIS AND WE'VE LOOKED AT WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND, AND TAKEN A, UM, A A GUESS A PROFESSIONAL ESTIMATE AS TO WHICH ONE OF THOSE COULD POTENTIALLY BE GOOD CANDIDATES. 
          WE HAVEN'T DUG INTO ACCESS TO UTILITIES OR ANY EVEN INTEREST FROM PROPERTY OWNERS TO SEE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT'S, IT'S A PROCESS TO EVEN SEE IF SOME OF THOSE WOULD BE INTERESTED. 
          SO, SO I THINK THE 2 MILLION IS SUFFICIENT TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THE TWO PROJECTS AT HAND. 
          UM, I DO EXPECT THAT NEXT YEAR I WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH A DIFFERENT NUMBER THAT WE WILL NEED TO BE PAYING CLOSER ATTENTION TO. 
          AND, UM, SO I CONSIDER, AND THIS IS EASY FOR ME TO SAY  BECAUSE YOU'RE THE STEWARDS OF THE MONEY, BUT, UM, I EXPECT THE $2 MILLION SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A DOWN PAYMENT ON, ON WHAT'S NEEDED TO, TO ADDRESS OUR HOUSING ISSUES. 
          SO THIS IS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT COSTS KEEP GOING UP, LABOR'S GETTING MORE DIFFICULT TO FIND FOR BUILDING HERE IN SEDONA. 
          YEP. 
          SO TAKING ALL OF THAT INTO ACCOUNT, YOU, YOU STILL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE 2 MILLION AND DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED TO MOVE ANYTHING OUT OF THE RESERVE IN FISCAL YEAR 27 FOR FISCAL YEAR 27, UM, ONLY BECAUSE I KNOW THE RFP PROCESS IS GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT AND GETTING THE DEVELOPERS IN PLACE, ET CETERA. 
          UM, I, I'M STILL RELATIVELY COMFORTABLE AND I, I HAVE TO SAY THAT RELATIVELY IS PROBABLY THE BEST I CAN DO WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SAY THAT WITH CERTAINTY BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU THERE'S EQUALLY GOOD CHANCE I'M WRONG. 
          UM, SO, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO FOCUS ON ONE PROPERTY INSTEAD OF TWO. 
          UM, BUT I, I FEEL FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE HAVE, UM, TO ISSUE AN RFP TO GET A DEVELOPER ON THE TABLE AND, AND GET EVERYTHING PENCILED OUT, I THINK $2 MILLION CAN CARRY US THROUGH THE YEAR. 
          UM, WE CAN ALWAYS USE MORE. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT AT THIS POINT I WOULD BE ABLE TO, TO ASK FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER MORE. 
          THAT WOULD BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN ME SAYING, HEY, LET'S PUT ANOTHER MILLION IN THERE. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE NOT THERE YET AND I APOLOGIZE THAT WE'RE NOT THERE FASTER. 
          CAN I ASK BARBARA A QUESTION? SO, SO BARBARA, WHETHER THE MONEY SITS IN THE RESERVE OR THE MONEY SITS IN THE BUDGET AS A CONTINGENCY, UM, I COULD BE COMPLETELY WRONG AND THIS IS WHY I'M ASKING. 
          UM, WOULD IT STILL JUST SORT OF BE SITTING IN THE BANK EARNING THE SAME RATE OF INTEREST IN EITHER PLACE? OR DOES IT EARN A DIFFERENT RATE OF INTEREST IF IT'S IN ONE PLACE OR THE OTHER? NO, IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT 4% . 
          NOTHING'S, NOTHING'S CHANGING IF WE MOVE IT INTO THE RESERVE OR MOVE IT FROM THE RESERVE INTO THE CONTINGENCY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND BRIAN, BEFORE, I JUST WANNA FINISH UP SOMETHING WITH TONY BEFORE YOU ASK. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          IN THIS PROCESS OF ANALYZING AVAILABLE PROPERTIES, ARE YOU ALSO LOOKING AT EVERYTHING THAT WE OWN? YES. 
          BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT ALREADY IS A CITY OWNED PROPERTY THAT WOULD, IF LOOKED AT WITH A DIFFERENT LENS SURE. 
          MIGHT BE HOUSING A GOOD PLACE FOR HOUSING. 
          YEAH, SO WE ARE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A VARIETY OF PROPERTIES THAT, BOTH FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT WE CURRENTLY OR COULD OWN, BUT ALSO OPPORTUNITIES FOR PARTNERSHIP, UM, WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR, WITH NONPROFIT ENTITIES OR WHOMEVER. 
          UM, AND, AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT POTENTIAL TEAMING OPPORTUNITIES WITH GROUPS LIKE, UM, MARYA QUINN'S GROUP WITH, UH, V-V-C-D-O AND, AND BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE, UM, THE, UH, THE LAND TRUST IF IT COMES IN AND, AND MAKES SENSE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE THOUGHTS ARE ON THE TABLE. 
          THE TYPES OF PROPERTY WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE, ARE HOURS, OF COURSE, UM, OTHER POTENTIAL WE COULD ACQUIRE, BUT ALSO THERE'S A NUMBER OF INFILL SITES THAT SIT THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UH, TO EITHER PARTNER WITH A PRIVATE SECTOR, UH, SPOT BUILDER ON OR, UM, OR DO SOMETHING OURSELVES. 
          THERE'S, WHEN I SAY DO SOMETHING OURSELVES, HAVE A PROGRAM FOR BUILDERS TO DO IT, I I DON'T WANNA BE IN 
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THE BUILDING BUSINESS. 
          UM, BUT, UH, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE OTHER PARCELS OUT THERE THAT ARE LARGER SCALE PRIVATE PROPERTIES THAT, UH, THAT ARE BEING ACTIVELY LOOKED AT AND WE'RE HAVING DIALOGUE WITH THOSE FOLKS AS WELL ABOUT POSSIBILITIES OF, UH, UM, BEING ABLE TO PLAY A ROLE IN, UH, IN MAKING CERTAIN TYPES OF PROJECTS FEASIBLE. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          THANK YOU, BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, I'M WONDERING, AND HOPEFULLY MY COLLEAGUES CAN FILL IN THE BLANKS HERE, HAVE WE NOT EARMARKED THE POTENTIAL USE OF THIS 2 MILLION IN ANOTHER WAY IN THE FORM OF LAND ACQUISITION? I THINK THAT IS WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, WHEN YOU BUILT THE FY 26 BUDGET MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND THEN IN THE CIP IS A DIFFERENT, UH, DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR POTENTIAL LAND ACQUISITION FOR NON HOUSING RELATED THINGS. 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT. 
          BUT THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT, UM, DESIGNATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE NOT PRECLUDING ONE FOR THE OTHER THEN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? WHAT ABOUT OTHER HOUSING PROGRAMS? LIKE, UM, THE, THINK LIKE THE, UM, DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE MM-HMM . 
          OR THE DEED RESTRICTIONS? SURE. 
          WHAT ARE THOSE DOING? WE, WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THEM FOR A WHILE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, THE, EACH ONE OF THE PROGRAMS IS COMING ALONG. 
          PART OF THE REASON YOU HAVEN'T, I MEAN, WE HAVE SOME SUCCESS STORIES IN EACH ONE OF THESE, AND THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS. 
          UM, THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM IS BEING ACTIVELY USED. 
          IT'S NOT USED AS WELL AS WE WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO, SO WE HAVE BEEN INTERVIEWING THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT DO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT AND ASK THEM WHY THEY CHOSE TO JUMP IN, UM, AND WAYS THAT WE COULD MAKE THIS PROJECT MORE INTERESTING TO OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT COULD CONSIDER MOVING FROM SHORT TERM TO LONG TERM. 
          AND THEY'VE GIVEN US SOME GOOD ADVICE, UM, FOR THAT. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING TO BRING FORWARD, UM, SOME RETOOLING OF THAT PROGRAM TO HOPEFULLY, UM, MAKE THAT PROGRAM A LITTLE STRONGER. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, THE COLD WEATHER PROGRAM, WE'VE HAD 17 STAYS SO FAR TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT. 
          AND OF COURSE, THAT PROGRAM JUST KICKED OFF THIS WINTER. 
          UM, SO WE HAD 17 STAYS, MEANING THAT SOME PEOPLE STAYED FOR, FOR MULTIPLE DAYS. 
          BUT, UM, SO AS A KICKOFF, I WILL SAY WITH THAT PROGRAM, WE'RE ALL LEARNING THIS. 
          THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT LEARNING EXPERIENCE, I THINK WE CAN SAY WITH, WITH SAFETY THAT WE'RE ALL LEARNING TO, TO PLAY TOGETHER IN HOW TO MAKE THIS PROJECT MORE EFFICIENT, UM, AND RUN SMOOTHLY. 
          UM, THE CDBG PROGRAM, UM, HAS, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL VERY CONFIDENT THAT, UM, THAT BY, I THINK IT'S SEPTEMBER, UM, OCTOBER MAYBE, THAT THEY WILL HAVE 12 HOUSES, UM, REHABBED. 
          UM, WE DID HAVE ONE, UH, ONE UNIT THAT WAS FULLY REHABBED. 
          THE INDIVIDUAL CHOSE TO SELL EARLY. 
          UM, SO WE ASKED FOR THE MONEY BACK, UM, BASED ON THE RESALE, AND, AND THEY HAVE DONE THAT SO THAT WE COULD TURN THAT BACK IN FOR ANOTHER PROJECT. 
          UM, BUT I KNOW IN TALKING TO OUR PARTNERS AT NACO THAT THEY'RE, WE HAVE ENOUGH, UM, WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THE HOPPER TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. 
          AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, THEY'RE PLANNING ON MAYBE LOOKING AT BRINGING IN A COUPLE OF OTHER APPLICANTS, UM, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SIMILAR PROGRAM THAT IF IT DOESN'T WORK WITH OUR PROGRAM CAN FEED RIGHT INTO THEIRS. 
          SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, WE'VE HAD FIVE PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. 
          UM, AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE LOGAN SIMPSON TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF OUR EXISTING PROGRAMS AND CRITIQUE THOSE, UM, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES DONE BY OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY, UM, TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMEBODY DOING SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF OR DOING IT BETTER THAN US, SO WE CAN BRING THOSE TO THE TABLE AS WELL. 
          SO OUR PROGRAMS ARE WORKING NOT AS WELL AS WE WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO, WE'RE LOOKING TO RETOOL EACH ONE AND MAYBE BRING SOME NEW THINGS TO THE TABLE AS WELL. 
          SO, SO, CHARLOTTE, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, I WAS JUST GONNA COMMENT THAT THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS THE UNENDED BALANCE , AND DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF YEAR WHEN AN OPPORTUNITY MIGHT COME UP, I MEAN, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING TO BE LOOKED AT ALSO, SO. 
          SURE. 
          I AGREE. 
          I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANY, TO PUT ANY NEW MONEY OR FREE UP PUT INTO THE APPROPRIATED CATEGORY ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR 27. 
          I DON'T WANNA JUMP IN. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION WHEN WE GET ON THE, ON THE PERFORMANCE INDICATORS. 
          SO WERE WE DONE WITH THE OTHER PART? I AM. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ON THE KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS, UM, I'M JUST CONFUSED BY TWO LINES. 
          UH, YOU HAVE PEOPLE HOUSED THROUGH THE RENT 
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LOCAL PROGRAM MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S MORE THAN HALFWAY DOWN. 
          THE GOAL FOR 2027 IS 10 TO HOUSE, BUT ON THE LAST LINE, YOU'VE GOT THE GOAL FOR APPLICATIONS AS FOUR. 
          SO WHAT IS, THERE'S A DISPARITY BETWEEN THOSE NUMBERS. 
          HOW CAN YOU HAVE, OKAY. 
          HOLD ON. 
          PEOPLE, BUT ONLY FOUR APPLICATIONS. 
          OH, GOT YOU. 
          UM, SO IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FOR TWOFOLD REASONS. 
          UM, SO ONE RENT LOCAL APPLICATIONS, UM, ARE NEW APPLICATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE OTHER IS A RETENTION OF PRIOR. 
          EXACTLY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I, I WANTED ASK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND, AND HONESTLY, COUNSELOR, THAT IS OUR BIGGEST AREA OF CONCERN IS THAT HOW DO WE KEEP PEOPLE IN HOUSING, RIGHT. 
          AS OPPOSED TO ESSENTIALLY GIVING THEM A THREE YEAR STAY AND THEN PUTTING THEM ON THE STREET. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, LOOK, PART OF THE REASON WE'RE LOOKING AT RETOOLING TO KEEP, UM, HOMEOWNERS INTERESTED IN CONTINUING IN THE PROGRAM. 
          SO YOUR 10 NUMBER IS INCLUSIVE OF THE FOUR NUMBER? YES, CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, NO. 
          I'M SORRY, I TAKE THAT BACK. 
          OUR 10 NUMBER IS EXCLUSIVE OF THE FOUR, THE 10 IS OUR ANTICIPATED ONLY RE 10. 
          YEAH, THAT'S RETENTION ONLY. 
          ONLY. 
          OKAY. 
          THE FOUR ARE NEW THAT WE WANT TO BRING INTO THE PROGRAM. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          IF I CAN ALSO, SINCE, SINCE YOU'VE GIVEN ME THE OPPORTUNITY ON THE HOUSING INQUIRIES PIECE, IT SHOWS THAT OUR, OUR ESTIMATE OF 2026 IS A HUNDRED. 
          UM, AS OF TODAY, THAT NUMBER IS OF, IS OVER 140. 
          SO THE NUMBER OF HOUSING INQUIRIES WE'RE GETTING IS, IS CONTINUING TO RISE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN I YEAH, SURE. 
          FOR, UM, SO THE HOUSING INQUIRIES THAT YOU'RE GETTING MM-HMM . 
          ARE THEY FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY IN THE AREA AND ARE LOOKING FOR HOUSING? THEY'RE ALREADY HOUSED, BUT NEED TO FIND DIFFERENT HOUSING OR DIFFERENT PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE CITY INQUIRING ABOUT HOUSING? IT'S ALL OF THOSE AND IT'S ALL OF THE DIFFERENT INQUIRIES. 
          SO WE COULD HAVE AN IN INQUIRY, SAY, ASKING US ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR HOUSING. 
          UM, IT COULD BE A QUESTION HOW OUR PROGRAMS OPERATE. 
          IT'S, IT'S ALL THOSE INQUIRIES TOGETHER, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE CAN YOU, CAN YOU GIVE US A HAND, YOU KNOW, IS IS THERE SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT CAN HELP US, OR, YOU KNOW, IS THERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOUSING? UM, WE HAD A NUMBER OF CALLS FOR, UM, THE VILLAS ON SHELBY, OBVIOUSLY. 
          UM, THE WAIT LIST THERE IS, IS ENORMOUS. 
          UM, SO, UM, BUT THAT HAS PLAYED A ROLE TOO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I THINK A LOT OF US HAVE BEEN UP SHELBY RECENTLY CHECKING OUT THE YEAH. 
          HOW THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING, AND IT'S GOING REALLY WELL. 
          IT'S A BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE. 
          IT IS, YEAH. 
          THEY'VE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB OF BEING ABLE TO BLEND IN. 
          UM, AND, AND I WILL SAY, UM, FROM AIRPORT LOOP AS WELL AS LOOKING DOWN, IT'S, UH, IT LOOKS GOOD IN BOTH WAYS. 
          SO, UM, WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, I, NOT PERSONALLY, BUT STAFF HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TOUR, UH, SOME OF THE UNITS. 
          UM, AND IT'S, IT, THEY, THEY'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED. 
          AND WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE? SO WE ARE DOING, OH, STEVE COULD, HEY STEVE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANSWER? HI, STEVE. 
          HELLO, MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          I WAS GONNA SHOUT FROM THE CROWD AND THEN I REMEMBERED THAT'S NOT RIGHT, . 
          UM, SO, UH, WE ACTUALLY, UH, I JUST TALKED TO THE SUPERINTENDENT TODAY. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE SETTING UP THEIR FINAL INSPECTIONS NEXT WEEK. 
          SO WITHIN ANOTHER WEEK OF THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY BE OPEN AND OPERATING, AND I BELIEVE WE WERE, THE DEVELOPER HAD TOLD THE COUNCIL WAY BACK THAT THEY WOULD BE INVITED TO SOME KIND OF PREVIEW OR RIBBON CUTTING. 
          SO IF YOU GUYS COULD DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM HIM YET. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          I DID, UH, INQUIRE WITH THEM ABOUT A MONTH AGO TO THAT VERY THING. 
          AND, UH, SO THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME ABOUT THAT. 
          IT WAS SOMETHING I COULD HAVE ASKED THEM TODAY, BUT I DIDN'T. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULD LOVE A TOUR OF THAT. 
          AND THERE'S A SOFT WAITING LIST RIGHT NOW. 
          THE, THE WAITING LIST RIGHT NOW, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, EXCEEDS 300 IS WHAT? 300? 300. 
          300 FOR 30 MM-HMM . 
          WOW. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S REALLY AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION. 
          IT IS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DEREK, IS THAT GONNA BE A LOTTERY OR IS IT FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE? WHAT'S THE, THEY HAVE A PRIORIT PRIORITIZATION PROCESS. 
          I'LL ASK LAURA AND GET THE DETAILS AND GET IT BACK TO YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND STEVE BROUGHT UP A GOOD, A GOOD POINT TOO. 
          UM, NOT ALL APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN FULLY VETTED. 
          SO THOSE ARE JUST THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE INQUIRED. 
          RIGHT. 
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UM, BUT IT'S STILL, IT SAYS A LOT. 
          IT'S VERY TELLING. 
          YEAH. 
          CHARLES, DID YOU SAY SOMETHING? UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND IF IT'S BEING, IF IT'S EXPEDITED SO THAT THERE IS VETTING GOING ON NOW AND THERE'S A MINIMAL TIME BETWEEN YEAH. 
          THE APPLICANTS ARE GOING THROUGH PROCESS AND DOING THE VETTING RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE RAMPING UP THEIR PROCESS AS WELL. 
          GREAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          'CAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE IF THEY HAVE A CURRENT YEAH. 
          LEASE OR MONTH TO MONTH OR WHATEVER. 
          SURE. 
          THAT'S PHENOMENAL. 
          SO WHAT STEVE, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE LENGTH OF TIME IT TOOK TO BUILD THAT? I WOULD SAY ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. 
          ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. 
          FEELS SHORTER, BUT YEAH. 
          NO, SO I DON'T THINK IT WAS THAT LONG. 
          IT'S WHEN DID WE, WHEN DID WE DO GROUND? I THINK WE AGREED. 
          DID LAST MAY, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING IN MAY. 
          IT SEEMED A LOT LONGER TO ME. 
          NO. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S THROUGH THE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS AND GOSH, WHY'D YOU ASK ME THAT ? UM, I CAN GET YOU THAT, THAT NUMBER FOR SURE. 
          BUT FEELS LIKE IT, IT WENT UP REALLY QUICKLY. 
          THE QUALITY SEEMS TO TO BE EXCELLENT. 
          YES. 
          IF I COULD SAY, UM, THEY DID A, A GOOD JOB OF CHOOSING THE CONTRACTOR. 
          THE CONTRACTOR IS SOMEBODY WHO'S DONE THESE BUILDINGS BEFORE HAS DONE MULTI-FAMILY. 
          THEY KNOW THE PROCESS, THEY KNOW THE EFFICIENCIES. 
          UM, AND WE'VE WORKED REALLY WELL WITH THEM. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING ELSE FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          FIVE MINUTE BREAK. 
          YEAH, I, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT IT OCCURRED TO ME, WHICH IS THIS IS NOT A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ISSUE, IT'S A CLERK'S OFFICE ISSUE. 
          WE HAVEN'T TALKED, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTAL ENFORCEMENT. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT IF, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR A FEW MINUTES, IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THAT. 
          DO WE? WE NEED THERESA MAYOR THERESA IS OUT ILL THIS WEEK. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD TALK ABOUT? I MIGHT NEED, UH, BRIAN ARMSTRONG TO HELP. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A SHORT BREAK. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN IF HE'S AVAILABLE, THAT'S GREAT. 
          IF NOT, WE WILL WORK HIM IN WHEN HE IS AVAILABLE. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE BACK. 
          WE HAVE BRIAN, UH, THIS ISN'T TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, AND IF YOU NEED, IF YOU NEED, YOU CAN COME BACK TOMORROW IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE HANDY IN FRONT OF YOU OR IN YOUR HEAD STATS, WE JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM AND HOW THAT'S GOING. 
          AND, AND SO IF SURE. 
          WE CAN GO BACK, BARBARA, TO OKAY. 
          SO YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS, BRIAN, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NO LONGER THE, THE MAN  AND CONGRATULATIONS, BY THE WAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, IT'S NICE TO BE BACK. 
          UH, SO JUST TALK IN GENERAL ABOUT HOW THAT'S GOING AND WHAT OBSTACLES, IF ANY YOU HAVE THAT WE CAN HELP YOU OR HELP YOUR REPLACEMENT WITH. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE TEAM WITH, UM, YEAH. 
          THERESA DOES A GREAT JOB OF, WE KIND OF HAD THE, THE WAY THE DIVISION OF LABOR OVER THERE. 
          SHE MONITORS MOST OF THE, THE STATS AND WHEN SOMEBODY APPLIES FOR A PERMIT OR INQUIRES ABOUT PERMITS AND, AND, AND THAT WHOLE PROCESS. 
          AND THEN MY BRANCH WAS JUST THE ENFORCEMENT PART, MONITORING, RUNNING THE REPORTS EVERY MONTH ON FOR THE PREVIOUS MONTH OF HOW MANY PERMITS HAD EXPIRED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN TAKING ISSUING CITATIONS AND, AND THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          UM, IF YOU REMEMBER BACK IN, I THINK IT WAS OCTOBER, WE CAME BEFORE THE COUNCIL WITH THE, UH, PROPOSAL FOR THE LATE FEES TO BEING AUTOMATICALLY ADDED TO SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMITS WHEN THEY EXPIRE. 
          AND THAT HAS BEEN AMAZING. 
          UH, SO PRIOR TO THAT, WHEN I FIRST CAME ON IN JULY, SO BETWEEN JULY AND AUGUST, I THINK I ISSUED LIKE 75 CITATIONS, I'LL SAY, IN THAT BALLPARK FOR JUST EXPIRED PERMITS. 
          UH, AND THEN THAT, UH, THE LATE FEE WENT INTO EFFECT NOVEMBER 1ST, I THINK, I CAN'T REMEMBER. 
          I THINK WE WERE IN OCTOBER. 
          I THINK IT WAS NOVEMBER. 
          UH, IN 
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NOVEMBER. 
          WE HAD LIKE FIVE EXPIRED, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T RENEW ON TIME. 
          DECEMBER WAS AROUND THE SAME NUMBER. 
          JANUARY FOR SOME REASON BUMPED UP A LITTLE BIT TO IN THE TEENS. 
          UH, BUT THEN FEBRUARY AGAIN, LIKE VERY LOW NUMBER. 
          AND, UH, SO JUST GETTING THAT LATE FEE REALLY GOT PEOPLE'S ATTENTION THAT, OH, I DON'T WANNA PAY THIS EXTRA 50 BUCKS OR SOMETHING. 
          SO THEY FIND, BECAUSE GOS THE SOFTWARE SENDS OUT YOUR RENEWAL INFORMATION SIX WEEKS AHEAD OF TIME, BUT YOU KNOW THAT NOBODY PAID ATTENTION TO IT. 
          SO , WHEN THERE'S A MONETARY FACTOR TO IT, THEY ALL PAID ATTENTION. 
          SO IT'S REALLY MADE THERESA AND MY JOB SO MUCH EASIER TO HAVE TO CLONE THROUGH BECAUSE THE SOFTWARE IS NOT VERY USER FRIENDLY WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, FINDING WHICH PERMITS DID EXPIRE DURING THE MONTH. 
          I HAVE TO BASICALLY SEE EVERY PERMIT THAT WAS ISSUED THAT MONTH AND GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE TO SEE IF IT EXPIRED OR NOT. 
          DOUBLE S DOESN'T HAVE A GOOD WAY OF TAGGING THAT, WHICH TO ME IS A VERY BASIC THING TO HAVE TO DO. 
          BUT THE, THE LATE FEE WAS AWESOME. 
          THE, UH, THE FIRST LINE UP THERE, THE COMPLAINTS, UM, ANYTHING THAT COMES INTO THE SHORT TERM RENTAL COMPLAINT HOTLINE, EITHER THROUGH THE PEOPLE CAN MAKE IT EITHER BY THE PHONE OR ONLINE. 
          UH, THOSE GET, YOU KNOW, EACH MORNING WE GO IN, CHECK THE COMPLAINTS AND THEN ROUTE THEM TO THE PROPER, UH, DIVISION DEPARTMENT THAT'S GONNA HANDLE THEM. 
          UH, THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS WE GET ON THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOTLINE ARE TRASH COMPLAINTS. 
          UH, DARK SKY, YOU KNOW, EXTERIOR NIGHT LIGHTING COMPLAINTS, UH, NOISE COMPLAINTS, AND LIKE PARKING. 
          IF YOUR HOUSE IS NEAR A TRAIL HEAD, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE OVER, YOU KNOW, PARKING AND BLOCKING. 
          SO THOSE ARE LIKE THE BIGGEST ONES WE GET. 
          UM, AND SO THE SHORT TERM RENTAL CODE ENFORCEMENT DOESN'T HANDLE IT. 
          THOSE TYPE OF IT, LIKE THE NOISE, I WORKED WITH COMMANDER DOWELL BACK IN DECEMBER AND WE, THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL TAKE ALL THE NOISE COMPLAINTS. 
          IT USED TO BE THAT IT WOULD ONLY RESPOND AFTER 10:00 PM BUT FOR BETTER TRACKING PURPOSES, ANYTIME 24 7, IF A NOISE COMPLAINT COMES IN, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL, YOU KNOW, RESPOND SO THAT WE GET GOOD DOCUMENTATION TO VERIFY IT. 
          BECAUSE WE DO GET PEOPLE CALLING IN, OF PEOPLE SITTING ON THE BACK BALCONY, TALKING. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A REASONABLENESS LEVEL THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN NOW THAT I'M IN CODE ENFORCEMENT , I GET ALL THE REST OF THE COMPLAINTS TO WORRY ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, PERCENTAGE AND COMPLIANCE IS, UH, THAT'S A COOL NUMBER FOR THERESA. 
          THE, UH, LIKE I SAID, THAT THAT LATE FEE REALLY HELPED KEEP THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, UP ON, ON THEIR EITHER THEIR TPT LICENSE THAT THEY HAVE TO RENEW THROUGH THE STATE OR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL LICENSE. 
          UM, IN TOTAL NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS, I DIDN'T. 
          UM, AND THE NUMBER OF RENTALS, IT WAS 1270 BACK IN MARCH. 
          SO I HAVEN'T SEEN A REPORT FROM THERESA, BUT I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED SPEAKING OFF THE CUFF TO SEE THAT 1300 NUMBER BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. 
          WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE SELLING PROPERTIES AND THEN A NEW OWNER COMES IN TO WANT TO SHORT TERM RENT IT AS WELL. 
          SO WE MIGHT LOSE ONE, BUT THEN GAIN IT RIGHT BACK. 
          AND THEN THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER DONE IT. 
          THEY'VE OWNED A HOME, NEVER SHORT TERM RENTED, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WANNA DO IT. 
          SO THAT NUMBER IS EACH MONTH WE GAIN ABOUT FIVE OR SIX THIS YEAR SO FAR, I THINK YOU SHOULD PUT YOUR GOAL FOR FY 27 AS 1000  INSTEAD OF 1300. 
          THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER. 
          . 
          SO CHARLOTTE. 
          UM, SO WHY DO YOU THINK THE GOAL FOR 27 ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS FROM THE HOTLINE IS JUMPING SO MUCH? I MEAN, WHY FOR 5 38 THIS YEAR? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL IS, BUT RIGHT TO SEVEN 50, THAT'S QUITE A JUMP. 
          YES. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT RATIONALE FOR THAT. 
          UM, IT, IT REALLY COMES IN PHASES. 
          SOME MONTHS, LIKE THIS TIME OF YEAR, IT'S STARTING TO PICK UP BECAUSE LIKE NOW IT'S GONNA BE WEDDING SEASON SOON. 
          SO PEOPLE ARE COMING TO SEDONA TO EITHER GO, LIKE SPRING BREAK IS THE, YOU KNOW, MARCH AND APRIL OR SPRING BREAK MONTHS. 
          SO NOISE COMPLAINTS AND LIGHTING COMPLAINTS GO UP. 
          'CAUSE JUST THERE'S MORE OCCUPANTS AT THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          AND THEN JUNE IS, EVERYBODY GETS MARRIED IN JUNE, AND SO THEY'LL BE, UM, YOU KNOW, WEDDING PARTIES AT THE HOUSE, NOT WEDDING PARTIES, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'LL COME UP TO SEDONA, GET MARRIED AT THE CHAPEL AND GO BACK TO YOUR HOUSE AND TURN ON ALL THE LIGHTS AND SIT IN THE HOT TUB AND MAKE NOISE. 
          AND THEN DURING THE SUMMER THEY DROPPED DOWN TO ALMOST NOTHING IN THE SUMMERTIME. 
          UM, I WAS EMBARRASSED WHEN I HAD TO TALK TO THE CHIEF LAST YEAR ABOUT NOISE COMPLAINTS, AND SHE'S LIKE, WE HARDLY GOT ANY IN THIS SUMMERTIME . 
          SO, UH, BUT YEAH, 
          [05:25:01]
SO IT JUST, IT, IT, IT'S REALLY HARD TO TELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS TRENDING AT THE TIME. 
          UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. 
          IF I MIGHT ADD, IF YOU LOOK AT THERESA'S ACTUAL NUMBERS FROM 2023 AND 2024, THERE WERE EIGHT OVER 800 AND CLOSE TO 800. 
          SO IT'S JUST AN ESTIMATE. 
          IT'S AN AVERAGE OF THOSE THREE YEARS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S NOT, IT'S REALLY JUST AN AVERAGE OF WHAT'S A PREDICTION OF WHAT'S MOST LIKELY TO HAPPEN, NOT A GOAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, PLEASE DON'T MAKE IT A GOAL. 
          . 
          AND ALSO FROM THE LAST REPORT SHE PROVIDED, UM, SHE DID HAVE SOME INFORMATION REGARDING THE LATE RENEWALS WERE 5% OF THE TOTAL RENEWALS COMPARED TO OVER THE 30%, UM, IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR. 
          SO THAT, UM, ORDINANCE THAT THEY UPDATED FOR THOSE FEES REALLY HAS HELPED. 
          YEAH, IT WAS AN AVERAGE, LIKE, UH, JOANNE SAID ABOUT 30% OF THE PERMITS EVERY MONTH WERE RENEWED OVER, YOU KNOW, INTO THE NEXT MONTH LATE. 
          AND SO THAT'S DROPPED IT DOWN DRAMATICALLY. 
          IT'S, IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY GREAT. 
          I KNOW THERE WAS A RECENT POST ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT NOT ENFORCING INDIVIDUAL UNITS WITHIN A MULTI-UNIT STRUCTURE, WHICH YOU RESPONDED TO THAT, IN FACT, YOU DID IDENTIFY THAT THEY NEEDED PERMITS FOR EACH ONE OF THE UNITS, AND IN FACT, THEY DID GET THE PERMITS FOR EACH ONE OF THE UNITS. 
          YES. 
          THAT PARTICULAR, YES. 
          AND UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE REPORTS THAT, UH, WHEN I FIRST CAME ON BOARD, THERESA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THERESA GAVE ME A , AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET OF OVER A HUNDRED PROPERTIES THAT HAD TWO OR MORE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMITS ATTACHED TO IT FOR ME TO GO AND LOOK AND SEE, YOU KNOW, WHY DO THEY HAVE TWO OR MORE UNITS ON A DWELLING? AND IT WAS EITHER BECAUSE THEY HAD A MAIN HOME IN AN A DU OR HAD THEY SPLIT UP A, A DUPLEX OR A HOME INTO MORE UNITS THAN WERE ALLOWED. 
          AND SINCE THEN, I'VE PROBABLY FOUND 50 OR 60 MORE OF, OF THOSE TYPE OF PROPERTIES. 
          BUT WE WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, NO, I AM COMMUNITY. 
          WE WORK WITH , THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CLOSELY. 
          UH, WHENEVER WE SEE A PROPERTY THAT HAS MORE THAN ONE UNIT ON IT, ONE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT UNIT IS ALLOWED BECAUSE THERE'S THE WHOLE KITCHEN, UM, REQUIREMENTS AND, UH, A DU REQUIREMENTS OF HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, UNITS YOU CAN HAVE ON A PARCEL. 
          SO WE WORK WITH, UH, PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON THAT, AND THEN WE FIGURE OUT FROM THERE, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO HAVE THAT MANY UNITS ON THE PROPERTY. 
          AND IF, SO, I JUST CITED SOMEBODY THIS WEEK THAT HAD THREE UNITS ON THE PROPERTY, UM, AND ONLY HAD ONE PERMIT. 
          BUT THE WAY THE PROPERTY'S SET UP, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, THE MAIN HOME THAT HAS A GUEST SUITE IN IT, AND THEN THERE'S A, LIKE A MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE, AND THEN THE PROPERTY HAS A ONE A DU ON IT. 
          SO THEY HAVE THE PROPERTY NUMBER OF STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBER OF PERMITS. 
          SO WE LOOK AT THAT, IT'S VERY LABOR INTENSIVE, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO PULL THE PARCEL FILES TO LOOK FOR, YOU KNOW, ALL THE INFORMATION. 
          AND, BUT, BUT WE DO DEFINITELY LOOK FOR THAT BECAUSE I THINK THE CODE CHANGED CURLE, REMEMBER, I THINK IT WAS 24, THAT EVERY UNIT HAS TO HAVE A PERMIT, JUST NOT ONE FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          SO, AND THEY COME INTO COMPLIANCE AFTER YOU INVESTIGATE THEM? YES, YES. 
          I'VE HAD EVERYBODY THAT, I MEAN, THEY END UP USUALLY GET A CITATION, PRODS 'EM ALONG. 
          SO I'VE CITED A LOT OF PEOPLE FOR THAT. 
          BUT THEY DO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. 
          AND AS THE PROCESS FOR COMPLAINTS WITH THE COURT SYSTEM BEEN WORKING OUT, UH, YES. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HAVE THEY BEEN UPHOLDING THE COMPLAINTS? ARE YOU FEELING LIKE, I'VE HAD A FEW HEARINGS BEFORE THE NEW JUDGE, JUDGE SPEAR, AND UH, THEY, THEY WENT WELL, YES, HE'S HOLDING PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE EXPIRED PERMITS. 
          WE HAD SOME ISSUES IN THE PAST WHERE, I DUNNO IF I CAN SAY, WE HAD SOME PEOPLE, , WE HAD SOME ISSUES WHERE THEY WERE, A LOT OF CITATIONS WERE BEING DISMISSED BECAUSE THEY'VE COME INTO COMPLIANCE. 
          AND AT LEAST SO FAR, JUDGE BEERS LOOKED AT IT AS, WELL, YOU'RE OPERATING A BUSINESS. 
          YOU KNOW, DURING THAT TIME, YES, YOU MAY HAVE RENEWED YOUR PERMIT, BUT YOU WERE ALSO MAKING A LOT OF MONEY DURING THAT TIME. 
          SO YOU NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR, AND THAT'S THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT, THAT, UM, YES, WE WANT YOU TO BE IN COMPLIANCE AND RENEW YOUR PERMIT, BUT YOU WERE ALSO RENTING DURING THAT TIME, AND YOU SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT. 
          SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED FROM US TO, TO MAKE THE PROGRAM OPERATE MORE EFFICIENTLY? OR ARE THERE ANY BARRIERS THAT WE KNOW WE CAN HELP YOU OVERCOME? UM, I DON'T WANT, PROBABLY SHOULDN'T ANSWER. 
          I DON'T WANT JOANNE AND THERESA TO TAKE 
          [05:30:01]
ME OUTSIDE AND THROW ME IN A DUMPSTER . 
          BUT, UH, THE ONLY THING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH, UH, JOANNE AND THERESA IS THE SOFTWARE SYSTEM ITSELF. 
          UH, I BELIEVE THAT ON THE HORIZON, UM, WE NEED TO LOOK AT A, A NEW VENDOR FOR THE SOFTWARE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME MORE ROBUST REPORTING. 
          LIKE I SAID, THE EXPIRED PERMITS, I HAVE TO SIT AND RUN A WHOLE REPORT OF EVERY PERMIT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO EXPIRE IN THAT PARTICULAR MONTH AND GO THROUGH THEM TO SEE IF THEY'D RENEWED OR NOT. 
          SO I THINK ON THE HORIZON, IT'S SOMEWHERE THERE'S A, A VENDOR PROCESS GOING SHOULD TAKE PLACE. 
          JOANNE, DO YOU NEED ANY MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT? I BELIEVE THERESA'S ACCOUNTED FOR THAT IN, IN THE STR BUDGET. 
          HMM. 
          THERESA HAS ACCOUNTED FOR THAT IN THE STR BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN? OKAY, WELL THANK YOU. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
           BE GLAD TO HELP. 
          WE APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'VE DONE, BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT REALLY MEANS A LOT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I BELIEVE NEXT IS PUBLIC WORKS. 
          SO LET ME, OKAY, ONE 14. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ONTO PUBLIC WORKS NOW. 
          PUBLIC WORKS HAS PROBABLY, UM, ACTUALLY I KNOW THEY HAVE THE LARGEST NUMBER OF PROGRAMS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN SEE THINGS LIKE, WHAT DOES IT COST US TO RUN POSSE, GROUNDS HUB, UM, WHERE'S ALL THE PARKS MAINTENANCE COST TO ACTUALLY MAINTAIN THE, THE PARKS AND THE FACILITIES, STORM CLEANUP, UH, TRANSPORTATION SERVICES, EVERYTHING IS IN HERE. 
          UM, I'M ACTUALLY REALLY, REALLY PROUD OF THIS 'CAUSE I, I THINK STERLING WENT TO A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TROUBLE WITH THE DEPARTMENTS TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE ALL THESE PROGRAMS ALIGNED AND WHERE THE MONEY SHOULD BE. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK THESE ARE REALLY GREAT. 
          UM, SO I WILL JUST START, UM, WITH TRAFFIC CONTROL. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          UM, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS I HIT THESE, I DON'T WANNA GO READING SLIDES TO YOU, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANNA SKIP ANYTHING YOU'RE INTERESTED IN. 
          SO, WELL, IF NOBODY ELSE IS GONNA DO IT, I'LL DO IT. 
          YES. 
          KURT. 
          HELLO. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, HONORABLE MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL. 
          SO IN, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE CROSSING AT OAK CREEK AND THE TCAS. 
          I'VE NOTICED DURING SPRING BREAK, A THAT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN TCAS OUT THERE THAT WHEN THE, EITHER WHEN THE, UH, CROSSING IS CLOSED OR WHEN THE CROSSING IS OPEN. 
          AND I WONDERED IF THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE IN POLICY OR HOW YOU DETERMINE WHEN TCAS ARE NEEDED OR HOW THEY'RE DEPLOYED. 
          THIS IS THE, UM, PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, IT'S A LOCK P JUST WEST OF THE OAK CREEK BRIDGE. 
          YES, CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH ANDY AND I WITH THE LOCAL BUSINESSES ON WHAT IS THE BEST TIME, UM, OF THAT TRAVEL TIME BETWEEN, UM, VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK, BELL ROCK TO THE Y. 
          AND SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE SETTING THAT AT 18 MINUTES. 
          SO WHEN THERE'S AN 18 MINUTE QUEUE, WE GO AHEAD AND CLOSE, UH, THE MEDIAN BARRIER, AND WE CLOSE AT THE BOTH CROSSWALKS AND GUIDE PEOPLE TO USE THE UNDERPASS. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO YOU, HOW IS IT DETERMINED THAT THERE'S AN 18 MINUTE BACKLOG? WHO, WHO'S WATCHING THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT ALL WORK? SO OUR TCAS, WE HAVE OUR SUPERVISORS AND WE HAVE OUR THEN LEADS. 
          THEY'RE CONSTANTLY MONITORING YOUR GOOGLE MAPS TRAFFIC. 
          AND SO WHEN THEY SEE THAT, IF YOU LOOK ON GOOGLE MAPS AS A RED MAP LINE, AND IT'LL GIVE YOU A TIME WHEN THEY GIVE THAT SEGMENT, AND THEN THAT'S THEIR INDICATOR TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE, UH, CROSSWALK CAN I THROW OUT AS WELL. 
          SO EVERY DAY THAT THE CROSSWALK IS CLOSED AND REOPENED, IT'S PART OF OUR POLICY THAT ALL OF US SUPERVISORS, INCLUDING MYSELF, GET A TEXT FROM THE PERSON IN CHARGE IN THE FIELD THAT'S GOING TO EITHER CLOSE IT OR OPEN IT. 
          SO THEY SEND A, A SCREENSHOT OF THE TRAVEL TIME, SO WE CAN SEE 18 MINUTES IT'S GETTING CLOSED, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT DROPS UNDER 
          [05:35:01]
17. 
          A LOT OF TIMES BY THE TIME THEY SCREENSHOT, IT'S 16 MINUTES, IT'S GETTING OPENED. 
          SO WE'RE GETTING VERIFICATION OF THAT, THAT WHEN IT'S OPEN, WHEN IT'S CLOSED. 
          I THINK YOUR QUESTION THOUGH, REALLY WAS MORE ABOUT WHERE WE STATION PERSONNEL. 
          WELL, IT WAS THAT, BUT ALSO, SO IF IT'S 18 MINUTES AND SOMEBODY'S LOOKING AT THAT, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO CLOSE IT? MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          ARE YOU ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH. 
          SO WE TYPICALLY HAVE, ONCE WE KNOW, UH, TIME IT IS LIKE TODAY WAS REALLY AN ODDITY. 
          IT WAS ONLY CLOSED FOR AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF CLOSED AT LIKE 11 O'CLOCK, 1130. 
          BUT DURING SPRING BREAK, DURING THE RUSH, IT'S USUALLY AS, AS EARLY AS 10. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE STATIONED THERE ANTICIPATING IT. 
          AND THEN THOSE ARE THE SUPERVISORS WHO GO TO UPTOWN AND OVERSEE. 
          I THINK WHAT HER QUESTION IS, IS WHEN OUR PERSON IN THE FIELD IS MONITORING THAT, BY THE TIME HE SEES THAT IT CROSSES THE THRESHOLD, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR HIM TO GO FROM WHERE HE'S STANDING TO CLOSE THE ACTUAL THRESHOLD? IT, IT DEPENDS WHERE HE'S AT IN HIS LOCATION, IN HIS ROUNDS, BUT, UM, IN, IN ADVANCE AT HIGH, UH, VISITATION TIMES, HE'S STAGING IT BECAUSE WE'RE ANTICIPATING IT'S GONNA CLOSE AT ANY TIME. 
          SO IT'S MINUTES? YEAH, MINUTES IT BE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S SHORT TIME. 
          IT'S MINUTES. 
          BUT, BUT I WOULD CIRCLE BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE YEAH. 
          WHERE YOU WERE GOING WITH THAT BEFORE IS THAT THERE DEFINITELY COULD BE A TIME PERIOD WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A TCA THERE, BUT WE'VE EITHER CLOSED IT OR OPENED IT. 
          IT SHOULDN'T BE A LONG TIME PERIOD, BUT THERE, THERE DEFINITELY COULD BE, UH, SOME TIME THERE WHERE THERE'S NO PERSON STATIONED THERE. 
          WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IF WE'RE NOT STATIONING A TCA AT THAT POST, WE'RE REALLOCATING THEM TO WHERE THEY'RE NEEDED. 
          SO WE'RE NOT DOUBLING UP ON PEOPLE. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT EFFICIENT. 
          SO MAYBE YOU COULD EXPLAIN THE TCAS. 
          WHAT DO THEY COVER? YOU KNOW, WHAT AREA DID THEY COVER? YEAH, SO MAYBE, MAYBE KURT SHOULD BACK AND BEYOND IS OUR FIRST POINT THAT WE SEND PEOPLE OUT AS EARLY AS SEVEN IN THE MORNING. 
          SO THEY START STAGING THERE AND THEN THEY'RE WORKING WITH OUR TRANSIT PARK AND RIDES 1 79. 
          AND THEN THEY WORK, UH, THAT'S AT SEVEN. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE NOW WORKING SEVEN DAYS A WEEK WITH TRANSIT. 
          AND THEN AS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TRA UH, THE VISITORS COME, WE START WORKING IN UPTOWN BETWEEN, IT COULD BE AS EARLY AS NINE WITH THE PEAK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE RIGHT IN, UH, EASTER, OR USUALLY IT'S 10 OR 11 O'CLOCK, THAT ACTUALLY WE, WE SEE THAT THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS ARE CREATING BACKUP. 
          THEN WE ENGAGE WITH, UM, HOLDING BACK THE PS AND WE'RE FULLY STAFFED. 
          SO SPECIFIC LOCATIONS UPTOWN, I THINK WE HAVE PEOPLE AT JORDAN CROSSWALK AT MIDBLOCK MIDBLOCK. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE 'EM RUNNING THE, UM, FOREST LIGHT ON 89 A. 
          SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY HOLDING THE LIGHT TRAFFIC LIGHT TO HOLD BACK PS TO KEEP TRAFFIC CLEAR. 
          SO TO RECAP THAT, MAYBE I COULD, TO MAKE CLEAR CLARIFY, IT'S BACK BEYOND BO STRING, UH, ONE SE 1 79 AT OAK CREEK AND THEN THREE IN UPTOWN. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE TOTAL STATIONS. 
          SO WHAT I'VE OBSERVED, AND SO, AND TELL ME I'M, YOU KNOW, JUST THERE AT THE WRONG TIME. 
          I USED TO SEE A TCA AT BACK OF BEYOND EVERY DAY. 
          AND NOW I DON'T SEE 'EM AT ALL. 
          IS THERE A RE HAVE WE RE WE, WE RECESSED THEM FROM THE ROUNDABOUT BECAUSE IT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE. 
          AND SO WE PUT THEM ON BACK AND BEYOND. 
          SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO TURN ON BACK AND BEYOND. 
          THEN WE BUILT A LITTLE TURNAROUND FOR 'EM BECAUSE WE WERE, UM, CONCERNED. 
          I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT CONGESTION AND SAFETY AT THAT INTERSECTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THEY'RE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, UM, YEAH, THEY'RE JUST RECESSED A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND THEN ON 1 79 AND THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK, UH, I WAS THERE MULTIPLE TIMES DURING, WELL, I GUESS MAYBE WE'RE STILL IN SPRING BREAK, BUT THE EARLIER PARTS OF SPRING BREAK WHERE LAST YEAR I WOULD'VE SEEN THEM AND THIS YEAR I DIDN'T SEE THEM. 
          AND SO WHAT IS THE POLICY ABOUT WHEN IT, IT'S CLOSED, THEY'RE NOT THERE WHEN IT'S OPEN, THEY ARE THERE? OR IS IT NOT THAT SPECIFIC? IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE DEMAND, ON HOW THE TRAFFIC IS, HOW WE'RE STAFFED. 
          'CAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FLAGGERS. 
          SO BEFORE IT GETS TO THAT 18 MINUTE, WE'LL GET, WE WILL ACTUALLY GET INVOLVED AND ACTUALLY TRY TO FACILITATE TRAFFIC OF NOT STOPPING AND THEN HOLDING BACK THE PS AND IT'S FULLY STAFFED. 
          BUT ONCE IT GETS TO 18 MINUTES, AGAIN, WE CLOSE IT AND REDEPLOY MAKING SURE THE CROWDS ARE CLEARED AND SO ON. 
          SO IT'S REALLY, WE'RE JUST ADJUSTING TO WHERE THE DEMAND IS. 
          SO IF I COULD SAY THAT 
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MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY TOO, IN GENERAL, FOR THE MOST PART, WHEN WE WOULD NORMALLY NEED A TCA THERE, WE'RE NOW USING THE BARRIER. 
          SO IT'S TAKEN THE PLACE OF NEEDING ACTUAL PEOPLE AT THAT POST, IF THAT HELPS. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE WE FOUND WE'RE HAVING A BETTER BENEFIT, UM, TO THE TRAVELING PUBLIC MOTORIST IN UPTOWN. 
          ONCE THAT'S CLOSED, WE WEREN'T DOING MUCH. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADJUST TO PUT OUR ENERGIES, DON'T FORGET ABOUT STATE ROUTE 1 79 PARK AND RIDE. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE THERE HELPING PEOPLE PARK GETTING IN THERE. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HOPING THE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THERE WILL THEN ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT NEED AND WE CAN REDEPLOY THOSE PEOPLE OF WHERE THE MOST DEMAND IS, WHERE WE'RE FINDING THE MOST BENEFIT. 
          SO THERE'S THE SAME NUMBER THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD, BASICALLY 16. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THE ONLY CHANGE WE, THE MAIN CHANGE WE'VE SEEN IN THAT PROGRAM IS, IS CREATING THE, THE FULL-TIME STAFF THAT WE HAVE NOW. 
          YES. 
          IS IT TWO? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEY, THEY, THEY WORK, UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S ALL ABOUT OUR TRAFFIC AND TCA, BUT UM, WE KEEP THEM BUSY ALL YEAR ROUND. 
          THEY'RE HELPING US REPLACE ALL THE NAME PLATING, UM, THE SIGNS AND INVENTORYING THAT AND SO ON. 
          SO OUR TRAFFIC OPERATIONS ARE KEEPING THEM VERY BUSY. 
          I THINK ANNETTE MENTIONED THE OTHER DAY THAT WE MET WITH ADOT AND WE GOT SOME MORE CLARIFICATION, BUT I, WHAT, CAN YOU SHARE WITH US THE DETAILS ABOUT THAT? YEAH, SO WE, WE STILL NEED TO CIRCLE BACK WITH CERTAIN FOLKS ON THIS SINCE THAT MEETING. 
          IT WAS VERY RECENTLY. 
          BUT, UM, AND KURT, JUMP IN IF YOU NEED TO, BUT I THINK IN GENERAL, THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL KEY ADOT PERSONNEL CHANGES IN, IN THIS DISTRICT THAT WE WORK WITH. 
          AND I GUESS PART OF OUR CONCERN WAS THAT WE WEREN'T GETTING CORRESPONDENCE BACK ON WHAT WAS HAPPENING WITH THE WARRANT ANALYSIS. 
          AND WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH WHAT WE NEED TO DO MOVING FORWARD AFTER MEETING WITH THEM. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY AGREE WITH OUR APPROACH THAT THE CROSSWALK IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES IS NEEDED. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT THEY AGREE WITH THAT THAT WAS A CHANGE FROM PAST OPINIONS OF SOME OF THEIR STAFF. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, THE OTHER COMPONENT IS WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO MONITOR THAT AND RUN THAT ANALYSIS PERIODICALLY INTO THE FUTURE. 
          THAT'S PART OF OUR AGREEMENT. 
          AND UM, THEN THE OTHER, THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THAT I THINK WE WILL NEED TO DO SOME LEVEL OF ANALYSIS ON, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING ON A PERMANENT, UH, BARRIER IN THAT, IN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW FOR THE MEDIAN, WHICH WILL REPLACE THAT TEMPORARY BARRIER. 
          BUT ALSO WITH THAT WE NEED TO DO SOME ANALYSIS ON WHAT TO DO FOR, UH, MORE OF A SECURE, UH, SYSTEM FOR CLOSING THE CROSSWALK WHEN WE DO. 
          AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT COULD BE AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM OF SOME KIND AND COULD EVEN EVEN INCLUDE, UH, SOME LEVEL OF TRAFFIC CONTROL, UM, SIGNAL SYSTEM. 
          SO, UM, I'M, I'M THINKING THAT MOST COUNCIL REMEMBERS THAT ONE OF OUR PUBLIC WORK STAFF, UH, WHO USED TO WORK FOR US AND WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN SIM IS NOW THE ASSISTANT, UH, DISTRICT ENGINEER IN, IN THIS NORTH CENTRAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHO WE WORK WITH AND IS PART OF THE ADOT STAFF THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THIS WITH NOW. 
          SO HE HELPED DEVELOP THAT SIM PROGRAM, , AND HE'S NOW AT ADOT, SO THAT HELPS. 
          YEAH. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CROSSWALK? DEREK? SO YOU SAID THERE ARE TIMES AT WHICH IT'S NEEDED OR THOSE TIMES OF DAY FOR LIKE DELIVERIES OR WHAT'S THE WELL, FOR I GUESS SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE SITUATIONS WHERE THE CROSSWALK WOULD BE NEEDED IN ADDITION TO THE UNDERPASS. 
          UM, WHENEVER WE HAVE A FLOOD EVENT, WE EXPECT THAT, UM, THE UNDER THE UNDERPASS WOULD BE CLOSED. 
          UH, WE'LL NEED A SECONDARY ROUTE FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER. 
          UM, YES, DELIVERIES, UH, THE TIMES BEFORE, UH, TRAFFIC STARTS TO PEAK UP EARLY IN THE MORNING, THAT'S USUALLY WHEN DELIVERIES ARE HAPPENING. 
          AND THERE'S A LOT OF LIKE PERSONNEL SHIFT, UM, CHANGEOVERS OR BEGINNINGS, UH, HAPPENING WHERE IT'S BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THAT. 
          IT'S NOT ESSENTIAL, BUT IT'S BENEFICIAL. 
          UM, AND I'M, I'M CERTAIN 
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THAT THE BUSINESS IS THERE, UH, WOULD APPRECIATE THAT THERE ARE TIMES THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN THINKING OF THAT, THAT THEY NEED THAT ADDITIONAL CROSSING. 
          UM, ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? I KNOW YOU, UH, JUST THAT YOU HAVE A DIRECT LINE AT, UH, CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATION TO THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS, SO YOU COULD SPEAK MORE TO THAT. 
          YEAH, I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH SOME OF THEM. 
          UM, THEY TEXT ME, UH, WEEKENDS, VACATIONS, WHENEVER, AND UH, WILL LET ME KNOW, HEY, IT DOESN'T LOOK BUSY, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU GET THIS CROSSWALK OPEN AND I'LL, I'LL GET ON MY PHONE RIGHT AWAY AND SEE, WELL, TRAVEL TIME IS THIS, REMEMBER THIS BUILDS UP, EVEN THOUGH YOU MIGHT NOT SEE IT AT THIS MOMENT HERE MOMENTARILY. 
          YOU, YOU LIKELY WILL. 
          'CAUSE ONCE WE HIT 18, IT'S TYPICALLY PROGRESSING TOWARDS 20, 25 MINUTES AT THAT POINT. 
          AND, AND FOR THE AUDIENCE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TRAVEL TIME MEASURED FROM BELL ROCK BOULEVARD TO THE Y UM, NORTHBOUND. 
          AND IT, IT ALSO WORKS SOUTHBOUND AS WELL. 
          A LOT OF TIMES OUR, OUR CONGESTION IS DIRECTIONAL. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT END OF A WEEKEND, TYPICALLY THE HEAVY LOADING IS INTO TOWN GOING NORTHBOUND ON 1 79 BY THE END OF THE WEEKEND IT'S, IT'S FLIPPED AND GONE THE OTHER WAY. 
          AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE FOUND THAT USING THE SAME, UH, THRESHOLD FOR TRAVEL TIME IS EFFECTIVE. 
          SO IF WE SEE SOUTHBOUND EXCEED 18 MINUTES, TYPICALLY WE'RE SAYING, HEY, THAT NEEDS TO BE CLOSED. 
          AND, AND THE REASON THAT DISTINCTION'S IMPORTANT IS PEOPLE HAVE LOOKED AT THE TRAVEL TIME AND SAID, HEY, NORTHBOUND IS ONLY, YOU KNOW, 13 MINUTES, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? AND WE SAY, WELL, IT'S, IT'S THE SOUTHBOUND NOW THAT'S, THAT'S BACKING UP. 
          AND USUALLY WHEN THAT HAPPENS, IT'S BACKED UP THROUGH THE Y AND UP COOKS HILL. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY SEVERE. 
          I MEAN, FROM A PERSONNEL STANDPOINT, DOESN'T IT JUST MAKE SENSE, SENSE TO HAVE IT CLOSED FROM 9:00 AM TO 5:00 PM TELL THE BUSINESS OWNERS YOU GOTTA PLAN AROUND THAT OR, WELL, SO, AND I KNOW WE, PUTTING ASIDE, WE HAVE, I KNOW WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ADOT, BUT I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE RUNNING BACK AND FORTH DEALING WITH THAT. 
          AND MAYBE WE OUGHT TO JUST HAVE A BRIGHT LINE. 
          THIS IS WHAT IT'S GONNA BE OPEN AND THIS ONE IT'S NOT WELL, SO, AND OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S A FLOOD, WE OPEN IT. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, SO THERE, I GUESS THERE ARE TWO CONSIDERATIONS THERE. 
          ONE IS, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE WATCHING EVERY MINUTE. 
          IF WE ARTIFICIALLY CLOSE IT AT NINE, 10 O'CLOCK, YOUR EMAILS WILL BE, UH, OVERLOADED WITH CORRESPONDENCE. 
          UM, BECAUSE I'M GETTING IT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING IT TOO EARLY, I HEAR ABOUT IT. 
          UM, THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS, WE, WE DO IT PRETTY EFFICIENTLY AS FAR AS CLOSING AND OPENING. 
          UM, TYPICALLY WE'VE GOT A PERSON THAT THEY KNOW IT'S ABOUT TO NEED TO HAPPEN. 
          SO THEY MAY BE GOING OUT TO ANOTHER STATION AT, UM, YOU KNOW, I CALL IT BOWRING, THE PARK AND RIDE OR TO BACK AND BEYOND WHEN THEY'RE DOING A SHIFT CHANGE OVER, BECAUSE WE HAVE THOSE OCCUR THROUGHOUT THE DAY. 
          THEY LINE IT UP WITH THAT. 
          SO THE PERSON IS TRAVELING THAT DIRECTION ANYWAY. 
          SO THEY HIT THAT SPOT, DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO WITH THE CROSSING AND THEN GO ON TO THEIR POST. 
          ARE YOU CONSIDERING ANY KIND OF AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM FOR THE PERMANENT BARRIER? SOMEBODY CAN JUST LOOK AT THE TRAVEL TIME AND PUSH A BUTTON AND THE GATE CLOSES? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING. 
          UM, I'M NOT GOING TO KID MYSELF THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A SIMPLE THING WITH ADOT . 
          UM, BUT THAT'S THE GOAL YEAH. 
          IS TO AUTOMATE THAT SO THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE AS MUCH MANPOWER AND, AND IT CAN BE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LAG TIME IS, IS REDUCED AT THAT POINT AS WELL. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU ALYSSA. 
          SO THE CHANGE AROUND THE ROUNDABOUTS BREWER RANGER, THE REVERSE ZIPPER MERGE LANE ONTO 1 79, WHICH IS BASICALLY RIGHT AT THE CROSSWALK. 
          UM, ISN'T THAT GONNA BE BACKUP AND WHATEVER, EXACERBATED BY THE FACT YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE STANDING THERE, SO CARS STOP AND THEN THEY, THEY CAN'T MERGE IN AND WON'T, WON'T THE FACT THAT THERE'S THE CROSSWALK MAKE THIS JUST A, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE A MINI Y PROBLEM? UM, WELL I GUESS TO YOUR POINT, THERE ARE LOTS OF SOURCES OF FRICTION IN, IN THAT CORRIDOR THERE BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS, TURNING MOVEMENTS, UM, PEDESTRIANS, CROSSWALKS, ALL, ALL OF THAT IS A SOURCE OF FRICTION. 
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AND, UH, WE ARE WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE DOING WILL ALSO HELP WITH THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, THE PORTAL, THE BREWER CONNECTOR, UM, THE, IF WE CALL IT REVERSE ZIP ZIPPER MERGE, WHAT WHATEVER WE CALL THAT, IT'S A AUXILIARY LANE. 
          THERE ARE MANY TERMS YOU CAN USE ON THAT, UM, THAT THAT WILL HELP. 
          UM, IN PEAK, IN PEAK CONGESTION. 
          UH, IT MAY HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THAT FRICTION THAT'S OCCURRING. 
          BUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN OUR PROJECTIONS, IN OUR ANALYSIS IS THAT ONCE WE IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, IT'S GONNA REDUCE, UM, THE CONGESTION THAT OCCURS FROM THAT, THAT FRICTION. 
          AND SO I CERTAINLY THINK THAT IN THE FUTURE WE WILL BE LOOKING TO ADDITIONAL SOURCES OF FRICTION IN THAT AREA FOR ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENT. 
          IT'LL BE A, IT'LL BE AN ONGOING PROCESS. 
          THE, THE POSITIVE THING TO NOTE THERE THOUGH, IS I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN TIME, MOST LIKELY THE PROJECTS WILL BECOME SMALLER IN SCOPE AND LESS IMPACTFUL TO THAT AREA. 
          IT'LL BE MORE PRECISION, SMALL, UH, TARGETED KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BRIAN, ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE? ACTUALLY, JUST MAYBE I MISSED THE EXPLANATION OF WHY PARKING IN STEPS IS DOWN 99% IN THE BUDGET YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          I'M GONNA LET THE DIRECTOR RESPOND TO THAT UNLESS HE WANTS YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE MOVING THAT. 
          I THINK WE, YEAH, WE MOVED THAT FUNDING TO PARKING. 
          SO A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU SEE THIS, WE WERE LOOKING TO BALANCE OUR, OUR ACCOUNTS AND THIS WAS ONE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT WE WERE, HAD TWO DIFFERENT, UH, GL CODES. 
          SO WE JUST COMBINED THEM TO ANOTHER YEAH, IT'S MOVING TO THE PARKING PROGRAM. 
          MOVING TO THE PARKING PROGRAM. 
          SO OUT OF THE PUBLIC WORKS. 
          YEAH, I'M NOT SEEING THAT ON THIS LIST. 
          SO IS IT BURIED IN ONE OF THE OTHER LINE ITEMS THEN? YEAH. 
          'CAUSE IT'S TRANSIT AND PARKING THERE, IT'S ON THAT SLIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO COUNSELOR FULTON WILL BE A PART OF THE TRANSIT PROGRAM OR THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU GOT IT. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK TO DO THE ZERO BASED BALANCE TO CONSOLIDATE, REMOVE REDUNDANCIES AND ALL THAT. 
          AND THEN JUST STEPPING BACK TO THE TCA PROGRAM, SO WE LEARNED AND WE ADJUSTED OUR OPERATIONS. 
          SO WHEN WE LIKE OPENED OR CLOSED AND THEN WE FOUND THAT, OH, THE, THE TRIGGERS THAT FOR THE CONGESTION, WE WOULD HAVE THOSE, UM, TCAS LINGER TO CONFIRM DOES IT REMAIN CLOSED OR DO WE OPEN IT BACK AGAIN OR DOES IT, IF WE OPEN IT, DO WE CLOSE IT AGAIN? 'CAUSE THERE'S NOW ANOTHER SURGE COMING. 
          SO WE'RE GETTING THAT FEELING. 
          AND THAT'S, THEY'RE GETTING SO WELL AT THIS. 
          NOW, THE CLOSURE AT ADOT ON 89 A, THE TOP OF OAK CREEK AND THE SWITCHBACKS, THEY'RE DOING THE GUARD RAIL REPAIR. 
          WELL, THAT'S A 12 MINUTE AUTO FLAGGER TIME. 
          WE'RE FINDING NOW ON THE WEEKENDS, WE'RE GETTING THESE SLUG PLATOONS OF TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING SOUTHBOUND THE CANYON. 
          SO NOW WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT SO WE CAN KEEP PEDESTRIANS CLEAR THAT TRAFFIC THROUGH UPTOWN THROUGH SOUTHBOUND. 
          SO THAT'S HOW WELL WE'RE GETTING A ADJUSTING TO WHAT THE TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS ARE IN THESE PATTERNS. 
          ANDY, WHAT'S MAGIC ABOUT 18 MINUTES? WHAT? WELL, IT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE AN ARBITRARY NUMBER, BUT WE ACTUALLY REFINED THAT OVER, OVER TIME. 
          I THINK WE STARTED 14 AT 14 AND WE ADJUSTED OVER TIME FOR A LONG TIME. 
          WE WERE AT 16. 
          UM, AND THEN WE'VE GONE TO 18 AND I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'LL JUST SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO REFINE THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT EVEN GOING TO A DIFFERENT CRITERIA IN THE OFF PEAK, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE SPRING AND FALL. 
          UM, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THE HAPPY SPOT BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, I GUESS PROTECTING, UH, REDUCING CONGESTION AND PROTECTING ACCESS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          YEAH, KATHY. 
          YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A DELICATE BALANCE, BUT YOU STARTED AT 14, WENT TO 15, AND NOW YOU'RE AT 18, WHICH DOES SEEM LIKE IT'S MOVING IN A, IN A DIRECTION. 
          THE EVALUATIONS ARE MOVING IN A DIRECTION THAT KEEP TRAFFIC MORE BACKED UP, WHICH IS ALSO DETRIMENTAL TO, YOU KNOW, ACCESS BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO CROSS, BUT PEOPLE ARE ALSO TRYING TO GET SOMEWHERE TO PARK SO THAT THEY CAN GO THERE. 
          SO, WELL, I, I WOULD JUST SAY THE REASON WHY I SAID GAVE THAT 
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BACKGROUND WAS NOT TO SUGGEST THAT WE'RE MOVING IN A DIRECTION, BUT THAT WE JUST DIDN'T MAKE THAT ARBITRARY. 
          SO WE TESTED A CERTAIN TIME AND THEN WE DIALED IT INTO WHAT WE THOUGHT WE ACTUALLY NEEDED. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW WE FEEL LIKE WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE IT ANY LONGER THAN 18. 
          UM, WE MAY IN THE OFF SEASON BE ABLE TO DIAL IT BACK TO 16 OR, OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER, BUT UM, WE FEEL LIKE 18 IS A GOOD NUMBER. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE STILL GETTING A GOOD NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS AT 18. 
          YEAH, I PROMISE. 
          YEAH, THAT'S 18 I THINK IS LONG. 
          NO, I MEAN, COMPLAINTS FROM THE BUSINESSES. 
          , I MEAN, JUST THIS LAST WEEKEND, SO, AND SO I HAVE TO COUNTER WHAT ANDY SAID, THE HAPPY PLACE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A HAPPY PLACE, NOBODY'S HAPPY. 
          AND THEN WE CAN SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN TO FIND THAT MIDDLE GROUND . 
          AND, AND THEN ALSO REMEMBER TOO THE, UM, OUR TRACTION MODELS HAVE SHOWN WE'VE REDUCED THE TRAVEL TIME AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S A FACTOR SINCE THE LAST TWO, THREE YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          OVERALL THAT TRAVEL TIMES ARE GETTING LESS FROM BELL ROCK TO THE Y. 
          OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEERING NEXT, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THEN THE KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS FOR ENGINEERING, UM, STREETS. 
          I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD PLAY THE JEOPARDY THEME AND BE LIKE, I'M KIDDING. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON STREETS? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS AND MORE INFORMATION ABOUT STREETS. 
          AND YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THIS ONE, KURT? I COULD, I COULD START THIS OFF FOR KURT FOR THE CALL OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS IS A, UH, POST ADJUSTMENT OR POST, UH, BUDGET ROLLUP ADJUSTMENT. 
          UH, AFTER WE ROLLED UP THE BUDGET FOR THESE WORK SESSIONS, KURT CAME AND EXPRESSED THAT THEY, UM, ARE GONNA NEED SOME MORE FUNDING FOR THE STREET'S PRESERVATION, UH, UH, LINE ITEM THAT WE HAVE. 
          SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR FY 27, 1 0.45 MILLION, AND THE REQUEST IS TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL 149,000, APPROXIMATELY 10% TO BRING THAT TOTAL UP TO 1.6 MILLION. 
          AND I CAN LET YOU TALK KURT, IF YOU WANNA TALK. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE ASPECTS. 
          WE WERE GOING OUT AND GETTING BIDS AND ALL OF OUR PAVING CONTRACTORS WERE COMING BACK MUCH HIGHER THAN WE ORIGINALLY ESTIMATED, UH, BASED UPON THE INTERNATIONAL, UM, ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON AT THE POINT IN TIME. 
          SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST TO COME IN AND ASK IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO TRY TO HEDGE OUR BETS NOW SO WE CAN CONTINUE ON OUR GOAL AND OBJECTIVES OF YOU DIRECTED ON OUR PAID PRES PROGRAM. 
          , KATHY? YEAH, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FIVE-YEAR PAVING SCHEDULE THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE THERE. 
          HOW DOES THAT GET CHANGED, UH, DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES? BECAUSE I JUST LOOKED AT IT AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHERE YOU, WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE, UH, IN TERMS OF THAT, IT SEEMS LIKE SOME PROJECTS MAY HAVE BEEN MOVED AROUND OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN EXPLAIN? YEAH, SO WE, WE HIRED A THIRD PARTY, IF YOU REMEMBER YEARS AGO WAS RAZ. 
          AND THEY HAVE, WE FELT THE BEST VALUE TO GO OUT AND DO A PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX, A PCI. 
          SO 2027 THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK, WE'RE GONNA HAVE 'EM COME BACK DOWN AND DRIVE ALL 92 MILES OF THE CITY AND GIVE US THAT PCI INDEX. 
          SO, UM, RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, AS TIME GOES AND AS BRIAN BOLTS COUNCILOR FOLTZ MENTIONED WITH THE TRAFFIC GARBAGE COMING IN AND THE DIFFERENT PAVEMENT STRUCTURE CONDITIONS, A ROAD CAN ACTUALLY DETERIORATE FASTER THAN WE WOULD ANTICIPATE OR SLOWER. 
          IT ALL DEPENDS ON WEATHER. 
          THERE'S SO MANY OTHER FACTORS. 
          SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          ONCE WE GET THAT PCI, THEN WE APPLY WHAT WE KNOW IN OUR INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND WE ADJUST THAT FIVE YEAR PLAN. 
          AND WE ALSO, IT'S NOT A TRUE CONDITION THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT TO PCI BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP, UM, AS OUR KNOW OUR ZONES THAT WE'RE COMING IN AND WE'RE DOING ALL PAVEMENT IN THESE ZONES. 
          SO OVER TIME WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THIS IN SECTION AS LESS IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO THEY'LL KNOW INSTITUTIONALLY WHEN WE COME BACK AND WE'LL BE DOING PAVEMENT PRE AT THAT FIVE YEAR CYCLE. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, VARIABLES THAT WE'RE JUGGLING RIGHT NOW TO GET THAT IN PROCESS. 
          SO IT'S NOT 
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A HARD SCIENCE, BUT WE FOLLOW, UM, WHAT THE DATA TELLS US. 
          SO I, ON THE WEBSITE FOR THE FIVE YEAR PAVING SCHEDULE, I KNOW RESIDENTS ACTUALLY LOOK THERE TO SEE WHERE THEY FALL. 
          AND I KNOW I'VE CERTAINLY DIRECTED THEM SOME PEOPLE THERE TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET IT, WHEN WOULD THIS BE UPDATED? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S REFLECTIVE. 
          WELL, WE, WE, WE ARE STILL GOING OFF THE DATA THAT WE DID THREE YEARS AGO MM-HMM . 
          FROM THIS PCI INDEX, AND NOW WE'VE MADE SOME SMALL INGESS TO MEET WHERE WE FELT THAT WE NEEDED TO PUT THE INVESTMENT IN TO HOLD THAT, UM, THAT PAVEMENT TOGETHER AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, SO THOSE, THOSE LOCATIONS THAT WE CAN, UM, BE MORE ROBUST AND SO ON. 
          AND THEN IT'S DIFFERENT. 
          SO THIS YEAR, UM, WE'RE NOT DOING RIGHT NOW, YOU'LL SEE WE'RE NOT DOING ANY FAST. 
          UH, THE FRACTURED AGGREGATE SURFACE TREATMENT, THE CHIP SEALS WE'RE JUST DOING SURFACE SEALS AND COATINGS AND LIQUID ROADS AND ALL THOSE. 
          UM, LAST YEAR WE DID A MILLEN FILL, WHICH USES, SO IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN FOR WHAT THOSE PAVEMENT CONDITIONS ARE TO GIVE US THE LONGEST. 
          CAN I JUMP IN? 'CAUSE I, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          WHAT, WHAT KURT JUST SAID AND 'CAUSE I THINK IT'LL WORK INTO WHAT YOU WANT TO ANSWER ANDY IS OKAY ON THERE, THERE ARE LIKE 20 ROADS THAT SAY THEY'RE DUE FOR FAST BEFORE, YOU KNOW, DURING FISCAL YEAR 26, WHICH IS ABOUT TO END. 
          AND THOSE ROADS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HAVE NOT BEEN DONE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT DOING FAST. 
          SO IF SOMEBODY GOES THERE, THEY'RE GETTING COMPLETELY INACCURATE INFORMATION. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, WE'VE UPDATED THAT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU DOWNLOADED THAT. 
          UM, I HAVE A CURRENT OUTPUT TYPICALLY IN YEARS PAST. 
          I CAN SAY WE'RE USUALLY REDOING THIS BETWEEN LIKE MAY TO JUNE IN THAT RANGE BECAUSE IT'S COMING DOWN TO THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND WE DO TYPICALLY LEAVE THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR ON AS WE MOVE FORWARD INTO THE NEXT ONE. 
          SO WHAT I'M SEEING RIGHT NOW STARTS IN FY 25 AND THEN GOES FROM THERE, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO WHEN IT UPDATES THAT 25 SHOULD DROP OFF, 26 IS BASICALLY LIKE AN AS-BUILT, THIS IS WHAT WE ACTUALLY DID, IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES OR NOT. 
          AND THEN THE PROJECTION ON 27, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE DIRECTION YOU WERE HEADED WITH THIS. 
          WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THIS OFFLINE. 
          I'LL SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO MOVING ON. 
          THIS IS, UM, THE POSSE GROUNDS HUB, WHICH I KNOW WAS SOMETHING SOMEONE ON COUNCIL HAD SAID WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, LIKE SPECIFICALLY HOW MUCH DOES SOMETHING LIKE POSSE GROUNDS COST? SO WE HAVE THAT AND THEN, AND THAT'S JUST FOR THE MAINTENANCE THAT'S NOT RUNNING IT RIGHT? THAT'S IN JOSH'S. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE DID BREAK EVERYTHING OUT LIKE THAT. 
          SO RATHER THAN HAVING IT ALL IN ONE PUBLIC WORKS IS THE MAINTENANCE AND THEN PARKS WOULD BE PROGRAMMING. 
          AND THIS NEXT SLIDE IS AQUATICS. 
          THIS AGAIN IS JUST THE MAINTENANCE ITSELF, NOT THE RUNNING OF THE POOL, BUT JUST THE MAINTENANCE, UH, JUST, UH, TO BE DETAIL ON THAT. 
          THE SAND FILTER NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. 
          SO THAT'S ON THIS BUDGET CYCLE HERE. 
          THIS, THIS, UM, 2026, WE FINISHED THE LAST OF THE FOUR HEATERS THAT WE'VE BEEN REPLACING EACH FISCAL YEAR. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO SPREAD OUT THIS, UH, MAINTENANCE AND STAY AHEAD, UM, BEFORE THERE WAS A SERIOUS BREAKDOWN AND A BIG CAPITAL COST. 
          AND THE SAND FILTERS ARE VERY LARGE ON, ITS OVER A THOUSAND GALLON CAPACITY. 
          WOW. 
          WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT THE RUBBER'S GONNA MEET THE ROAD ON THE AQUATICS? 'CAUSE YOU SAID BANDIT WE'RE BANDAGE BANDAGING IT ONE DAY. 
          THAT BAND IS GOING TO HAVE NO STICK LEFT. 
          IT'S GONNA LEAK. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, WE TALKED, UH, THE DECK CAN BE REPLACED, THE PLASTER REPLACED, THE BATHROOMS ARE BAD. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST WHAT JOSH MENTIONED. 
          UM, WE'LL KEEP DOING THE BEST WE CAN TO DO THE BEST. 
          UM, PEOPLE STILL LIKE IT. 
          WE GET GRADE REVIEWS, SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO STAY AS MUCH AS AHEAD OF WE, UM, AHEAD OF THE CURVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO MANAGE IT, UH, COST WISE. 
          BUT, UM, YEAH, EVENTUALLY THERE'LL BE A POINT THAT WE CAN'T DO ANYMORE. 
          WE JUST HAD A LEAK LAST WEEK, UM, SOMEWHERE IN THE PUMP HOUSE ROOM AND OUR GUYS HAD TO STOP WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND GO THERE AND IT TOOK TWO OF THEM. 
          SO WE HAVE A ONE GUY SPECIFICALLY THAT'S HIS JOB IS MONITORING THE POOL. 
          HE TAKES IT VERY RESPONSIBLE. 
          WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THEN, UH, KEEP TRACK OF THE CHEMICALS THROUGH THE WEEKEND FOR, FOR THEM AS WELL. 
          SO WE HAVE A BUNCH OF CROSS TRAINING, BUT KUDOS TO OUR MAINTENANCE STAFF, THE ONES WHO IDENTIFIED OF BUYING 
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MOTORS WHEN THEY'RE ON SALE OR PARTS WHEN THEY'RE ON SALE. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A STOCKPILE, UM, AND SURPLUS. 
          SO, SO IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE CAN KEEP THE POOL OPEN. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA POINT OUT THAT ON THAT MAINTENANCE LINE ITEM, YOU CAN SEE THAT 63% JUMP. 
          SO ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IT, IT IS PROJECTING  IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          BUT I THINK WHERE THE BIG DECISION WILL BE IS ONE OF THESE YEARS WHERE WE NEED TO COME TO COUNCIL AND SAY, WE NEED A CAPITAL PROJECT AND DO YOU WANT TO APPROVE THIS OR NOT , WE, WE DON'T HAVE PLANS FOR PROPOSING THAT IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO FOR SURE. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY KEEPING TRACK OF THIS CLOSELY. 
          AND THAT KIND OF TIES IN ON THE ELECTRICAL COSTS. 
          YOU'LL SEE THE BIGGEST INCREASES THAT WE HAVE ARE THAT WATER AND ELECTRICAL, UM, UTILITY COST INCREASES ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          KURT, HOW OLD IS THIS POOL? OH, ANDY WOULD BANNER, IT'S UH, JULY 96. 
          THERE'S A RIGHT OUTSIDE THE POOL. 
          WOW. 
          THAT'S OLDER THAN I THOUGHT. 
          . 
          AND THAT IS ABOUT THE END OF A USEFUL LIFE OF, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CONCRETE OR GUNITE, I ASSUME IT'S ONE OF THE TWO CONCRETE. 
          YEAH, BUT THEY, THEY'LL USEFUL LIFE IS USUALLY 40 TO 50 YEARS FOR A COMMUNITY POOL. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT CAN BE EXTENDED, BUT WHEN YOU GET PAST THAT USEFUL LIFE, YOU REACH A POINT WHERE THE MAINTENANCE ISN'T 160,000. 
          IT BECOMES MORE THAN YOU COULD POSSIBLY, IT WOULD BE MORE WORTH IT AT SOME POINT TO PUT IN A NEW POOL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE, BUT WE WILL GET THERE. 
          'CAUSE THIS IS, AS JOSH HAS POINTED OUT A BANDAID AND HAVING MANAGED POOLS THAT WERE MUCH OLDER THAN THIS, IT, IT'S A VERY SUDDEN THING. 
          YOU GO FROM LIKE, YEAH, IT SEEMS OKAY. 
          IT SEEMS OKAY. 
          IT SEEMS OKAY TO VERY MUCH, IT'S NOT OKAY. 
          AND, AND WE'VE BEEN ADDING MODERNIZATION. 
          SO WE HAVE A CHLORINATOR, UH, DETECTOR THAT WILL GIVE PEOPLE, UM, UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY ARE, WHAT THEY, YOU KNOW. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN ADDING, MODERNIZING TO, TO MAKE IT, UH, EASIER TO MAINTAIN. 
          IT'S OLDER THAN I SAID. 
          IT'S 1974 WHEN IT WAS BUILT. 
          WOW. 
          THAT SHOWS THE QUALITY OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE BECAUSE REALLY IT'S JUST, UM, FRACTURING IN THE DECK AND SO ON. 
          THERE ISN'T ANY DIFFERENTIAL SETTLEMENT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CATASTROPHIC. 
          'CAUSE THAT MEANS THAT PIPES ARE ACTUALLY BENDING AND BREAKING. 
          SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          YOU COULD SAY IT WAS REALLY WELL CONSTRUCTED, BUT IT'S JUST GETTING TIRED AND OLD. 
          AND THEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE PIPES, THEY GET BRITTLE OVER TIME. 
          'CAUSE CHLORINE MAKES PLASTIC PIPES, IT OXIDIZES THEM AND SO ON. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA STAY ON TOP OF IT. 
          THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I CAN'T COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, IT'S BROKE. 
          IT'S GONNA HAVE A HUGE COST TO FIX. 
          IS THE, IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABLE TO PROVIDE THEIR 50%? YES. 
          THAT I UNDERSTAND. 
          IT'S, YEAH. 
          SO WE STARTED A PROCESS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO WHERE WE STARTED DIRECTLY COORDINATING WITH THEIR, UM, FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO GET REIMBURSEMENT. 
          AND IT'S GONE PRETTY SMOOTHLY SINCE THEN. 
          PREVIOUSLY WE WERE TRYING TO GO THROUGH THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF AND IT WAS NOT GOING WELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO SINCE WE MADE THAT CHANGE, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN PRETTY SMOOTH. 
          SO, THANK YOU, DIRK. 
          UM, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL LARGE COSTS IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE, MAKE SURE YOU'RE TALKING TO THE SCHOOL FINANCE OFFICE WELL IN ADVANCE BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. 
          YOU JUST, YOU CAN'T JUST HAND THEM A BILL AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YEAH. 
          THEY, YEAH. 
          THAT'S PART OF OUR PROCESS. 
          SO WHEN WE SEE, WHEN WE BECOME AWARE OF SOMETHING, WE FIRST REACH OUT AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS COMING, ARE YOU GOOD WITH IT? AND THEY SAY, YES, GO AHEAD. 
          AND THEN WE DO THE WORK. 
          BUT, SO WE DO GIVE THEM PRIOR NOTICE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MAJOR REFURBISHMENT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA OH, YEAH. 
          YES. 
          FOR INSTANCE, LIKE THE SAND FILTER, THEY'LL HAVE ADVANCED NOTICE AND THEY ALREADY, I THINK THEY ALREADY KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          THAT'S AS PART OF OUR PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THE DISTRICT WOULD PROBABLY BE HAPPY TO SELL THE SCHOOL, SELL THE, SELL THE SCHOOL, SELL THE POOL TO THE, TO THE CITY. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO NEXT IS GENERAL PARKS MAINTENANCE. 
          JUST ASK WHERE WE ARE ON THE SCHEDULE. 
          HOW FAR BEHIND WE ARE. 
          WE'RE ABOUT 15 MINUTES BEHIND. 
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LAST. 
          I ESTIMATED IT WAS ABOUT A HALF HOUR. 
          WE'RE A LITTLE FURTHER BEHIND THEM THOUGH. 
          AT TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE 45 MINUTES BEHIND. 
          WELL, ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          MORE LIKE AN HOUR BEHIND, I WOULD SAY JUST BRING IT TO YOUR ALL TENSION. 
          SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PARKS? MAINTENANCE? YOU'RE NOT HEARING ANYTHING FROM KURT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN STORM WATER CLEANUP AND STORM WATER, WHICH WE HAVE SEPARATELY JUST BECAUSE, I MEAN, THEY'RE PRETTY DISTINCT THINGS THAT WE DO. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OR THINGS YOU WANNA HEAR ABOUT FROM KURT? OKAY. 
          TRANSPORTATION SERVICES AND FACILITIES MAINTENANCE. 
          SO IS THIS TRANSIT, WHAT IS TRANSPORTATION SERVICES? THE NAME TO THAT? SO TRANSPORTATION SERVICES. 
          I'M SORRY, I'M TALKING FOR KURT AGAIN. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          STILL DOWN HERE. 
          IT'S, IT'S MOSTLY THE TCA PROGRAM, BUT I, I KIND OF THINK I KNOW WHERE THIS THOUGHT IS GOING BECAUSE OF THE OVERLAP WITH OUR OTHER TRANSPORTATION SERVICES PROGRAM. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO COMBINE THIS WITH OUR TRAFFIC CONTROL, UH, PROGRAM FOR PUBLIC WORKS. 
          AND I CAN TALK WITH ROXANNE AND, AND KURT FURTHER ABOUT THAT, JUST TO MAKE THAT MORE CLEAR THAN HAVING TWO PROGRAM AREAS THAT OVERLAP. 
          THIS IS SIGNAGE AS WELL. 
          SO, RIGHT. 
          SO THIS IS A BIG PART OF OUR SIGNAGE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM. 
          BUT YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR TRAFFIC CONTROL PROGRAM. 
          SO I THINK THERE COULD BE A COMMON OR, OR, AND THEY ARE OVER OVERLAPPING. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WE CAN CONSOLIDATE. 
          THEN WE HAVE FACILITIES MAINTENANCE, UM, THE SUPPORT FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS AND THEN PUBLIC WORKS PORTION OF SUSTAINABILITY. 
          MADAM, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SO FOR EXAMPLE, UNDER THE CAPITAL PROJECTS, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE SALARY AND STIPENDS LINE. 
          UM, 83,000 INCREASE, 13% CHANGE. 
          DO I INTERPRET THIS TO MEAN THAT ASIDE FROM THE 5%, UH, THE REST WOULD BE THE ANNUALIZATION OF RECLASS AND SUCH? YES. 
          IT'S THE TRUE UP BETWEEN THE YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I MIGHT JUST POINT OUT THAT SUSTAINABILITY SECTION IS MOSTLY OUR CURBSIDE YARD WASTE PROGRAM. 
          IT'S ONGOING NOW. 
          AND IF Y'ALL ARE READY, WE CAN MOVE ON TO SUSTAINABILITY, BRYCE SUSTAINABILITY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WHAT, WHAT, UM, COULD I ASK, UH, WHAT'S IN THE UTILITIES LINE FOR SUS PUBLIC WORK SUSTAINABILITY? WHAT DOES THAT REPRESENT? SO THAT IS THE, UH, CURBSIDE YARD WASTE. 
          THE REASON WHY THAT'S CLASSIFIED AS UTILITIES IS IT'S CONSIDERED SOLID WASTE. 
          SO IT'S CONSIDERED LIKE UTILITY, A PART OF UTILITY. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S JUST WHERE IT FITS IN OUR PROGRAM. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WEIRD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON PUBLIC WORKS? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO ON THIS SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE MOVED DEBT SERVICE OUT. 
          UM, AS, AS WE MENTIONED, WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT ALL IN GENERAL SERVICES, UM, FOR THE GENERAL FUND PROGRAMS. AND OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAVE, UH, AN INCREASE IN PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND THAT, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME DECISION PACKAGES. 
          BRYCE, ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE 
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GONNA DO FIVE ANNUAL HAZARDOUS WASTE AND ELECTRONICS COLLECTION EVENTS? UH, I JUST SAW THAT, UM, BEFORE, I GUESS FOR, YEAH, FOR THE KPI, UH, THAT WAS, THAT'S A, A MISPRINT ON MY END. 
          I'LL, I'LL GET THAT CORRECTED. 
          'CAUSE UH, THE LAST FEW YEARS WE'VE DONE TWO, WE HAD, FEW, COUPLE YEARS BACK, WE DID A THIRD IN PARTNERSHIP WITH, UH, COCONINO COUNTY SUSTAINABILITY OFFICE, BUT THEY ARE NO MORE. 
          SO, UM, IT, IT SHOULD BE TWO, UH, WITHIN THAT WITH THE ASSUMPTION OF, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THE DECISION PACKAGES GET APPROVED, THEN WE'D HAVE MORE. 
          AND FROM THE DOOR TO DOOR SIDE OF THINGS, BECAUSE THERE'S A HUGE JUMP IN THE HOUSE. 
          HAZARDOUS HAS HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE COLLECTED, UM, FROM 25 TO 26. 
          AND THEN YOU LOWERED IT IN 27. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M DOUBLE UH, DOUBLE CHECKING THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE I THINK, UH, THERE WE HAD, UH, THE 2026 NUMBER, UH, WAS COMBINING, UH, HAZARDOUS WASTE AND ELECTRONICS. 
          UM, BUT WE DID HAVE A SPIKE OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS WITH, UH, RECORD TURNOUT FOR THAT. 
          UH, I WILL GET THAT NUMBER CORRECTED HERE, UH, SHORTLY FOR YOU. 
          BUT MY, SO MY APOLOGIES ON THAT. 
          BUT WE DID HAVE INCREASED WITH BOTH THE LAST TWO YEARS ON, ON WASTE AND ELECTRONICS COLLECTION. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRYCE? OKAY. 
          THANKS BRYCE. 
          NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE POLICE, WHICH ACTUALLY I THINK WINS FOR THE NUMBER OF PROGRAMS. I THINK PUBLIC WORKS CAME, CAME IN A CLOSE SECOND, BUT YOU KNOW, STEPHANIE TOOK THE, TOOK THE LEAD ON THIS SLIDE. 
          I FORGOT IT LIKE, TAKES THE WHOLE SLIDE. 
          SO THESE ARE ALL OF THE AREAS THAT WE BROKE THEIR BUDGET OUT INTO. 
          UM, EVERYTHING FROM K NINE, WHICH IS TECHNICALLY PART OF PATROL, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT SEPARATE. 
          VOLUNTEERS, TRAFFIC AND PARKING, ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS, UM, THAT THEY COVER. 
          AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT EACH, UH, AREA. 
          THEY'RE NOT ALL BROKEN OUT. 
          UM, BUT I DID BREAK OUT, WE DID BREAK OUT THE LARGEST ONES. 
          UM, SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, LET US KNOW OR WE CAN GO THROUGH EACH ONE SLOWLY. 
          COULD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO BE? COULD I ASK A QUESTION? IS THE YES. 
          UNDER PATROL, THERE'S SUCH A LARGE DROP. 
          IS THAT FROM WHAT? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE ONE TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, EQUIPMENT FROM THE NEW OFFICERS OR UH, WHATEVER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND FY 26, UM, POLICE DID A, A LARGE REFRESH OF THEIR SAFETY EQUIPMENT, TACTICAL EQUIPMENT. 
          UM, SO THAT'S JUST COMING OFF FOR FFY 27. 
          OKAY. 
          AND DID YOU LOVE HOW STEPHANIE BASICALLY STAYED SEATED 'CAUSE SHE KNEW STERLING HAD THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR PROGRAMS? WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO THROUGH THEM IN THERE? UH, MY QUESTIONS. 
          THE TWO NEW POSITIONS THAT WE HAD APPROVED LAST YEAR, UH, FOR THIS YEAR, UM, THE HOMELESS, UH, RESOURCE OFFICER, AND THEN THE, UM, EMERGENCY, UH, COORDINATOR ROLE, UH, AND APOLOGIZED. 
          I PROBABLY BUTCHERED BOTH OF THOSE TITLES. 
          APOLOGIES. 
          UM, WHERE DO THEY SIT IN HERE AND WHAT ARE THEIR KPIS FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR? UH, GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, EVERYONE. 
          UH, SO THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH OFFICER, UH, THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE, I WANNA SAY WITHIN THE LAST MONTH. 
          SO HE IS CURRENTLY OUT IN THE FIELD AND WE'RE BEGINNING TO ESTABLISH WHAT KPIS WE'RE GONNA HAVE AND, AND ALL THE CONTACTS. 
          SO HE'S GETTING USED TO HIS NEW ROLE AS FAR AS EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR. 
          I BELIEVE HE STARTED IN NOVEMBER. 
          AND SO, UM, THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH OFFICER FALLS UNDER OUR SUPPORT SERVICES SIDE OF INVESTIGATIONS, WHICH IS WITH COMMANDER PENNER AND THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR FALLS UNDER ME. 
          SO IN THE PROGRAM LINE ITEMS UP HERE? YEAH, WELL, SO WE PUT THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IS ITS OWN LINE, BUT, UM, WHICH OF THE LINE ITEMS WOULD BE THE COMMUNITY RESOURCE OFFICER? WHICH PROGRAM? IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE INVESTIGATIONS, I BELIEVE. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU KNOW FOR SURE, STERLING, ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE IT FALLS UNDER COMMANDER PENNER, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S WHERE WE ACTUALLY PUT IT AND IT'S NOT A SUBSECTION OF PATROL. 
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WHEN DO WE THINK WE MIGHT GET, SORRY, GO AHEAD, STERLING. 
          ALL THEN I'LL ASK IN THIS, UNDER PATROL IS THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH OFFICER. 
          SO IT FALLS IN WITH PATROL, BUT IT'S SUPERVISED UNDER COMMANDER PENNER WHO'S IN INVESTIGATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          WHEN DO WE THINK WE MIGHT GET AN UPDATE TO COUNSEL ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE TWO ROLES ARE, UH, GOING TO, WHAT, WHAT ARE THEIR KPIS GOING TO BE? UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A, A LOT OF INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY AS YOU WELL KNOW ABOUT, UH, WILDFIRE SAFETY, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SOME FOLKS THINK THERE'S MORE WE NEED TO DO. 
          THIS ROLE, I THINK SPEAKS TO THAT. 
          SO IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES ARE FOR THAT PERSON SOONER THAN LATER. 
          SO BY SAYING SOONER THAN LATER, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO HAVE THAT TOMORROW BY THE END OF YOUR DAY, TO HAVE LIKE A DRAFT IDEA AND THEN IT WOULD GO INTO NEXT YEAR? I'M SURE THAT WE WOULD PUT SOMETHING. 
          SO IS THAT DOABLE? IS THAT REALISTIC? I MEAN, ON A PIECE OF PAPER, I WOULD HAPPILY GIVE YOU A DRAFT TOMORROW, , BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY MORE REASONABLE BY THE END OF THIS YEAR THAT WE WOULD GO INTO NEXT YEAR HAVING THAT ESTABLISHED, UM, IN A MUCH BETTER WAY. 
          SO I WOULD SAY BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE WAY, UM, PLAUSIBLE THAT WE COULD GET THAT DONE. 
          WELL, WE HAVE TWO MORE BUDGET MEETINGS WITH YOU AFTER TOMORROW. 
          SO THERE'S ONE AT THE END OF MAY WHEN THEY ADOPT THE TENTATIVE, IF SOMETHING CAN BE INCLUDED THERE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ONE IN JUNE WHEN THEY ADOPT THE FINAL. 
          AND THEN FROM THAT IS WHAT STERLING USES TO PUBLISH THE BUDGET DOCUMENTS. 
          SO EITHER OF THOSE TWO, IF THAT'S REASONABLE. 
          WHEN WAS THE JUNE ONE? WHAT'S OUR DATE IN JUNE THAT WE'RE COMING FOR THE, I I I, I THINK THE END OF MAY DISCUSSION WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO US AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DATE IS. 
          I'M GONE IN MAY FOR SOME PORTION, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER I'M GONNA SAY I CAN ACTUALLY COMPLETE. 
          YEAH, MAY, MAY 26TH, CHIEF. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN WE WILL AIM FOR YOUR MAY DATE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S, IT'S A SOFT, NO,  . 
          IT'S A LIKE 60 40. 
          I THINK WE COULD MAKE IT, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT WE CAN, AND I HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT, AT BOTH. 
          I, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WE COULDN'T GET IT DONE, BUT WE'VE BEEN PRETTY SLAMMED FOR THE LAST FEW WEEKS THAT, UM, WE'VE BEEN PRETTY DISTRACTED FROM SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE WOULD DO. 
          SO IT'S HARD TO GIVE AN ABSOLUTE IF I CAN'T DO IT. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          WELL, AT A MINIMUM YOU CAN GIVE US TOMORROW WHAT WERE GONNA GIVE US TOMORROW AT THE END OF MAY. 
          OH, NO, I, I GOT RID OF THAT ONE. 
          IT'S NOW ME. 
          THANKS, . 
          WE WERE GONNA GIVE YOU THE NAPKIN FOR THE CALCULATIONS, SO OKAY. 
          I'LL TAKE IT. 
          AND ALSO, WE'RE HOPING TO BRING THE POLICE STRATEGIC PLAN TO YOU IN JUNE, WHICH IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT, UM, ACTIVITIES AND THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          ACTUALLY, MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE TO DO ALL THAT TOGETHER. 
          FINE WITH THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          ACTUALLY, YOU GET A REPRIEVE, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE TO DO IT ALL TOGETHER. 
          RIGHT? WHEN IS THAT GONNA BE? WE'RE AIMING IN JUNE. 
          UM, I MEET WITH THE CONSULTANTS NEXT WEEK, UM, AND THEN I'LL FOR SURE HAVE THE, UH, TIGHTER TIMEFRAMES ON WHEN THEY CAN DELIVER THE WORK PRODUCT. 
          AND THEN I'LL GET IT SCHEDULED THROUGH JOANNE. 
          SO I'M CURIOUS ON THE NON-EMERGENCY, WE DON'T HAVE 3 1 1 IMPLEMENTED HERE, RIGHT? WHAT IS OUR NON-EMERGENCY? LIKE OUR PHONE LINE? YEAH. 
          IT'S JUST OUR, OUR NORMAL 2 8, 2 3100 AT 30,000 CALLS. 
          I MEAN, IS IT, IS IT WORKING WELL? I MEAN, ARE DO YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S WORKING WELL OR DO WE FOR OUR MAIN ANSWERING SYSTEM? YEAH, I, I DO THINK IT IS WORKING WELL. 
          WE, UH, ESTABLISHED A, A TREE, YOU KNOW, CALL IN TREE SO THAT YOU CAN GO TO RECORDS IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE WANTING. 
          UM, SO ONCE WE ESTABLISH THAT, IT ACTUALLY HELPS CLEAR UP MOST CALLS TYPICALLY SO THAT FOR NON-EMERGENCY, THEN THAT 3,100 LINE IS GOOD. 
          AND WE HAVE A FEW SUB TRUNK NUMBERS IN THERE, AND THEN THE 9 1 1. 
          AND SINCE WE'VE ADDED THE EIGHTH DISPATCHER AND A THIRD STATION INSIDE, UM, OUR DISPATCH CENTER, IT'S BEEN WORKING WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, HOW DO YOU DEFINE COMMUNITY RELATIONS? 
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TYPICALLY THAT'S ANY COMMUNITY, UM, PROJECT THAT WE HAVE AS FAR AS OUR CITIZENS ACADEMY. 
          UM, AND DIFFERENT, LIKE THE CANINE PRESENTATIONS THAT, THAT GO OUT, IT CAN BE OUR, WHAT USED TO BE CALLED THE EXPLORER PROGRAM CADET. 
          SO IT'S JUST THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY RELATION PROGRAMS. DO YOU STILL HAVE A CADET PROGRAM? WE DO. 
          THERE'S ONE PERSON CURRENTLY IN IT. 
          EVERY, EVERY TIME YOU GET A FLUX OF GRADUATE GRADUATES, THEN YOU'RE STARTING THE PROGRAM BACKUP. 
          SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE AND WE OCCASIONALLY HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT COME VISIT TO SEE IF THEY WANT TO JOIN THE PROGRAM, BUT YOU JUST, YOU GO THROUGH CYCLES. 
          CAN, CAN I GO BACK TO THE POLICE ADMINISTRATION? KPI FOR A SECOND? UM, I JUST WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S A REVISED NUMBER ON THE 2026 ESTIMATE FOR THE RETENTION OF SWORN EMPLOYEES. 
          I KNOW OF TWO THAT HAVE SINCE LEFT. 
          ONE WAS, UH, CADET AT THE ACADEMY THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT PAST THE FIRST WEEK. 
          AND THEN, UM, A COMMANDER. 
          SO THAT'S CURRENTLY WHERE WE ARE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THE, I THINK THE VICE MAYOR ASKED YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE NEW POSITIONS, BUT HE ASKED YOU ABOUT THE TWO, THOSE TWO SPECIFIC I I'LL ASK YOU ABOUT THE SWORN POSITIONS FOR THE FIELD. 
          WE HAVE SEVEN OPENINGS LEFT WITH TWO EXPECTED, UM, ONE MEDICAL RETIREMENT THAT'S LIKELY COMING UP. 
          AND THEN ONE PERSON THAT'S GETTING READY TO GO TO DPS. 
          SO THEN WE'LL HAVE THE NINE REMAINING. 
          WE'VE ACTUALLY HIRED A LOT WITHIN THIS LAST YEAR. 
          AND THEN JUST WITH RETIREMENTS AND SOME OF THE, THE, UM, THE OTHER TWO POSITIONS, WE, WE'VE JUST GONE BACK AND FORTH AND MOST OF THE ACADEMY FOLKS ARE GRADUATING. 
          SO OUR LAST CLASS WE SENT FOUR AND FOUR GRADUATED AND MOST ARE GETTING READY TO GET OFF THEIR FIELD TRAINING AND BE IN THEIR SOLO STATUS. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE, WE SENT THREE IN JANUARY AND WE HAVE TWO REMAINING FROM THE THREE. 
          AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT, OH, THAT'S A DIFFERENT PERSON THAN THE ONE THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH THE FIRST WEEK. 
          'CAUSE HE GRADUATED. 
          NO, NO, THAT IS, OH, THAT IS THE SAME ONE. 
          YEP. 
          BRIAN, YOU JUST MADE ME THINK ABOUT THOSE OTHER POSITIONS THAT WE APPROVED. 
          LIKE FOR ME, THE MAIN SELLING POINT WAS WE NEEDED THOSE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS SO THAT WITH PTO INJURIES, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE FULLY STAFFED FOR EACH OF OUR BEATS. 
          SO I'M LOOKING AT THE KPIS FOR PATROL, WHICH I ASSUME IS WHERE THOSE FOLKS WOULD, UH, LAND. 
          I DON'T SEE ANYTHING AROUND A KPI OF OUR, YOU KNOW, PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME THAT WE'RE FULLY STAFFED ON OUR BEATS. 
          AND LIKE, TO ME THAT IS AGAIN, THAT, THAT WAS LIKE THE MAIN SELLING POINT FOR WHY TO SAY YES FOR THOSE POSITIONS. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO SEE A KPI THAT, THAT SHOWS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, PROVIDE THE STAFFING, UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS DESIGNED AS YOU'VE DESIGNED FOR THE FIELD THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO, UH, STAFF THAT AT, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THE GOAL IS TO BE, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, BUT I MEAN, I SAW SOME OTHER HEADS NOD ON THAT. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I NOTICED OUR RESPONSE TIME FOR PATROL AND THE KPIS INCREASED FROM 3.41 MINUTES TO AN ESTIMATE OF 4.26 MINUTES FOR 2026. 
          IS THERE A REASON WHY IT WENT UP AS OPPOSED TO DOWN? UM, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. 
          ERIN GETS BACK THAT'S REALLY GREAT AT STATS TOMORROW, SO I CAN ASK HER SOME OF THOSE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, BUT THIS IS AN ESTIMATE AS OF JANUARY. 
          SO JUST DEPENDING ON THE, ON, YOU KNOW, OUR OVERALL YEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE WE GET TO LIKE 2025. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE ENDED. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER AT MIDYEAR OF 2025 WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WERE MM-HMM . 
          SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE A REAL GOOD REASON AS, AS TO WHY ALSO WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BREAK DOWN IS OF THOSE PRIORITY ONE CALLS, WHERE WERE THEY IN TOWN? UM, THAT SOMETIMES CAN CHANGE, YOU KNOW, FOR WHERE WE'RE RESPONDING TO BASED ON, UM, WHERE 
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IF WE'RE, IF IF IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT AS HARD TO GET TO. 
          AND PRIORITY ONE CALLS ARE TYPICALLY IN PROGRESS WHERE WE'RE GOING LIGHTS AND SIRENS. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE YOU, IDEALLY YOU CAN NAVIGATE TRAFFIC MUCH BETTER THAN PRIORITY TWO OR THREE. 
          SO WITHOUT REALLY LOOKING WHERE MOST OF THOSE PRIORITY ONE CALLS FELL WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S REALLY HARD TO KNOW JUST FROM LOOKING AT THAT NUMBER. 
          ARE PATROL OFFICERS STATIONED AT THAT FACILITY ON THE Y THE OLD, UH, ADOT? NO MA'AM THING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE'RE NOT AT THE BREWER ROUNDABOUT OR THE BREWER BUILDING ANY LONGER, SO EVERYTHING'S OUT OF RIGHT HERE. 
          IF THEY'RE HERE, THEN YES. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS OUR STATION RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE OUR, OUR PATROL DIVISION SPLIT INTO THREE SECTIONS. 
          SO THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, THE ROVER, AND THEN THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. 
          SO IDEALLY WE TRY TO KEEP OUR EAST SIDE UNIT ON THAT SIDE, BUT SINCE THERE'S NO STATION TO EAT OR UM, TYPE REPORTS, THEN TYPICALLY YES, THEY WILL COME HERE. 
          AND SO THAT CAN ACTUALLY HAVE AN IMPACT AS WELL. 
          BUT THOSE FOLKS WILL BE IN THE GARAGE. 
          WE ARE GONNA HAVE A STATION IN THERE FOR THE EAST SIDE UNIT AND OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A, A BETTER LOCATION FOR 'EM TO RESPOND FROM. 
          SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT CRIME IN OUR CITY? WELL, I THINK, WHO SAID IT? WAS IT TONY OR SOMEONE ELSE OR? NO, I THINK IT WAS KURT. 
          UH, THAT SAID, RELATIVE TO OTHER PLACES, WE, WE HAVE A LOW AMOUNT OF CRIME, HOWEVER, WE HAVE OUR OWN CRIME, RIGHT? AND SO I THINK BY BEING AS RESPONSIVE AS WE ARE, OUR COMMUNITY FEELS FOR THE MOST PART, SUPPORTED THAT WE RESPOND. 
          WE TAKE ALL THEIR CALLS SERIOUS. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN INCREASE IN DUIS, BUT PART OF THAT IS, UM, WE ADDED A THIRD PERSON THAT WENT THROUGH THE MOTOR SCHOOL TRAINING THAT IS, UM, REALLY COMFORTABLE IN SEEKING OUT PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING IMPAIRED. 
          AND SO THOSE HAVE GONE, GONE UP. 
          HE'S A DRUG RECOGNITION OFFICER AS WELL. 
          SO SOMETIMES IF IT'S NOT ALCOHOL AND YOU CAN'T DO THE ADDITIONAL TESTS, THEN THAT MIGHT CHANGE HOW YOU CAN ENFORCE. 
          BUT NOW WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH ADDITIONAL TRAINING, SO A LOT OF THE TIMES YOU CAN SEE TYPES OF CALLS GO UP, THAT'S JUST BECAUSE WE CAN ACTUALLY, UM, COMBAT THEM BETTER. 
          SO ONE OF THE PLUSES LAST NIGHT AT THE TOURISM WORKSHOP WAS THAT PEOPLE FELT WE, OUR CITY IS VERY SAFE THAT WOMEN CAN WALK AROUND AT NIGHT BY THEMSELVES AND, UH, WITHOUT FEAR. 
          AND THAT, UH, THAT THE POLICE ARE VERY, UM, VERY, UH, RESPONSIVE. 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I THINK WHAT REALLY HELPS US IS THAT WE'RE STILL ABLE TO BE PROACTIVE. 
          THAT WE'RE NOT SO BOGGED DOWN WITH CALLS, YOU KNOW, CALL TO CALL, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ACTUALLY BE OUT THERE, BE SEEN, WHICH DOES HELP TO BE A DETERRENT FOR CRIME TO WANNA COME HERE. 
          YOU'RE NOT SEEING ANYTHING INCREASE IN PROPERTY CRIMES OR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY CRIMES. 
          I DON'T THINK ANYTHING THAT IS INCREASING IS ALARMING RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, SO I DON'T THINK ANYTHING'S SENDING OFF FLARES TO US THAT WE NEED TO DO DETAILS IN CERTAIN AREAS. 
          LIKE YEARS AGO YOU MIGHT REMEMBER WE HAD A LOT OF TRAILHEAD BURGLARIES AND WE HAD TO START DOING SOME DETAILS SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T HAVING AS MANY VEHICLE BREAK-INS. 
          SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S SUPER ALARMING RIGHT NOW TO US OUTSIDE OF JUST TRYING TO STAY UP ON, UM, ALL THE, THE NORMAL TYPE CALLS THAT WE, WE GO THROUGH AS FAR AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE THEFTS, UM, TRESPASSING. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, UH, KURT BROUGHT UP DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, WHICH WHEN YOU READ THE POLICE BLOTTER JUICY, A LOT OF VISITORS HAVE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE INCIDENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          HOTELS SOMETIMES THAT CAN BE THE OTHER SIDE OF, UM, IF, UM, OF DRINKING REALLY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE COMING UP HERE AND, UM, YOU'RE JUST HAVING A LITTLE TOO MUCH FUN THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST CHANGES TOO MUCH. 
          HOLIDAY CHEER, , ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE CHIEF? 
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OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP IS THE MUNICIPAL COURT, WHICH I'LL BE HANDLING TODAY. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, THE JUDGE CAN BE HERE TOMORROW. 
          UH, TO ANSWER ANYTHING, UM, THE MUNICIPAL COURT'S BUDGET IS GOING UP A LITTLE, UM, NOT TREMENDOUSLY SALARIES AND STIPENDS. 
          THEY SAW LARGER INCREASES BY POSITION THEN A LOT OF OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY, AND THAT'S WHY THAT CHANGE IS, UH, SIGNIFICANT. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER THINGS INCREASING ARE PRETTY SMALL. 
          UM, THEY OF COURSE HAVE THE DECISION PACKAGE FOR AN ADDITIONAL POSITION AND THE, THE KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS ARE REALLY JUST BASED ON WHAT KIND OF CASE AND THE STUFF THAT THEY'RE HANDLING. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THEM AND I MIGHT NOT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOVE ON. 
          AND WE'RE ON TO TRANSIT. 
          UM, AND TRANSIT. 
          WE BROKE INTO ADMINISTRATION, PARKING AND STEPS, TRANSIT CONTRACTS, THE VERDE SHUTTLE AND CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          AND I WILL PROBABLY TURN IT OVER TO ANDY AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THIS ONE IS NOT MY BAIL WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST GETTING CAUGHT UP TO THE RIGHT SLIDE HERE. 
          SORRY. 
          THEY START AT LIKE 1 55 AND GO ON FROM THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ON 1 54. 
          OKAY. 
          1 55. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          AND THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE BROKEN OUT. 
          SO LIKE, THIS IS ADMINISTRATION 1 54 HAS THE WHOLE, UM, LIKE ALL OF THEM IN ONE PLACE PROGRAMS. YEAH. 
          AND ANDY, IF YOU WANT, I CAN HELP ADD SOME DETAIL TO WHAT SOME OF THESE COST DECREASES ARE, IF YOU NEED THAT AS WELL. 
          I'M GOOD WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, SO FOR TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION, THE BIGGEST DROP IS IN PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND IT'S JUST A DECREASE IN THE UPTOWN TRANSIT CIRCULAR STUDY, THAT'S A DECREASE OF 46,650. 
          UM, SOME MINOR DECREASES, UH, TRAINING, TRANSIT DUES AND SUBSCRIPTIONS. 
          AND THEN, UM, SMALL PRINTING AND OFFICE SUPPLIES DECREASES. 
          AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE INCREASES IN PARKING AND STEPS AND TRANSIT CONTRACTS. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S ANOTHER PROGRAM. 
          YEAH. 
          SO FOR STEPS AND PARKING, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE THE SHIFT THAT WE SAW OUT OF PUBLIC WORKS. 
          SO THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ALL ALLOCATED IN PUBLIC WORKS, AND THAT PROGRAM IS NOW IN TRANSIT. 
          SO THAT'S THE FULL COST SHIFT OVER INCLUDING THE SPOT GENIUS SUBSCRIPTION. 
          SO THAT PREVIOUSLY WASN'T IN PUBLIC WORKS. 
          SO THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THIS PROGRAM FOR THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          AND THEN FOR THE VERDE SHUTTLE, UM, THAT'S JUST A CONTRACT ESTIMATE INCREASE, UM, THAT AMBER AND I HAD WORKED OUT, UH, BEFORE SHE HAD LEFT. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT, UH, THE VERDE SHUTTLE COST INCREASE WOULD BE. 
          AND THEN SOME JUST REALLY MINOR INCREASES FOR THE, OR DECREASES FOR THE CAPITAL PROJECTS MANAGEMENT. 
          SO IN THE VERDE SHUTTLE, THE 400,000 PLUS, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY US SUBSIDIZING A PORTION OF THE COST. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND IS THERE ANY PLANS IN THE NEXT YEAR FOR THAT TO GET EXTENDED AT ALL TO RUN DOWN TO VOC FOR INSTANCE? LIKE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP LAST NIGHT AT THE TOURISM TOWN HALL, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE JUST LIKE, WHY DOESN'T IT DO THAT? AND YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, WELL, IT ACTUALLY IS ON THE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE, BUT RIGHT. 
          YEAH, IT WAS ALWAYS CONTEMPLATED IN THE, THE 2019 STEP, UH, SEDONA TRANSIT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, BUT IT WAS ALSO CONTEMPLATED THAT THE COUNTY WOULD BE A PARTNER IN THE FUNDING OF THAT. 
          UH, WE'VE HEARD FROM, UM, FROM NIKKI CHECK THAT SHE'S SUPPORTIVE OF THAT CONCEPT. 
          IN FACT, SHE'S ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF ANOTHER TRANSIT, TRANSIT EXPANSION INTO THE COUNTY AREA. 
          HOWEVER, I THINK SHE'S INDICATED, ANNETTE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT WHILE SHE FEELS THAT WAY, THE OTHER, UM, SUPERVISORS IN THE, IN THE COUNTY DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL THAT WAY. 
          SO I THINK HER FEELING, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WAS THAT THIS NEXT YEAR MAY NOT BE THE YEAR THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BUT IT'S ON OUR RADAR. 
          IT'S ON HER RADAR AND MM-HMM . 
          WE'RE ALL HOPEFUL. 
          AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT YAVAPAI COUNTY ADOPTED DOES INCLUDE A PILLAR, SO TO SPEAK, AROUND TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION AND TRANSITS IN THERE. 
          SHE JUST, 
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UM, IN OUR LAST CONVERSATION DIDN'T THINK THAT THE BOARD WAS READY TO GO THERE IN THIS BUDGET CYCLE. 
          UM, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY IN THEIR FUTURE STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO MEET WITH THEM, PROVIDE 'EM INFORMATION. 
          WE'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN FOR THE WHOLE VERDE VALLEY AND CONTINUING TO, UM, ADVOCATE FOR THESE TYPES OF SERVICES TO BE INCLUDED AND THOUGHT ABOUT REGIONALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN FOR TRANSIT CONNECT, UH, WE RECEIVED A INTERESTING EMAIL FROM SOMEONE, UH, IN THIS PAST WEEK THAT, UH, WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS MEETING NEXT WEEK, BUT DOESN'T DRIVE, HE'S A SENIOR AND HIS, YOU KNOW, MESSAGE WAS, I WOULD TAKE THE TRANSIT CONNECT TO GO TO THAT MEETING IF I COULD, BUT IT'S NOT AVAILABLE THEN. 
          'CAUSE IT'S ON A WEDNESDAY. 
          OH, WAS THE SPRING BREAK SCHEDULE? I DON'T KNOW. 
          THAT'S THE QUESTION. 
          SO THE, LET'S SEE, IS THE SPRING BREAK, WHEN WAS THE SPRING BREAK SCHEDULE? OH, I THINK IT ENDED APRIL END THIS WEEK. 
          APRIL 26TH. 
          OH, SO APRIL 26TH AND THE MEETINGS ON THE 29TH. 
          29TH. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT, IT JUST BEGS THE QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S ALL PART OF THAT REVISED PLAN WE'RE LOOKING FOR, FOR TRANSIT OF, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW SHOULD WE BE THINKING ABOUT EXPANDING TRANSIT CONNECT AVAILABILITY, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR SENIORS. 
          BECAUSE THE GUYS NOTE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MOST IMPACTFUL ABOUT IT WAS, OKAY, IF YOU'RE, UH, ONLY MAKING IT AVAILABLE THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY AND I NEEDED TO GO TO A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT. 
          A LOT OF DOCTORS DON'T WORK ON FRIDAYS. 
          SO THURSDAY'S THE ONLY DAY THAT, YOU KNOW, HE, HE'S GOTTA BE ABLE TO GET HIS APPOINTMENTS ON THURSDAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, BOTTOM LINE. 
          YEAH. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I I THINK IT IS A INTENDED FOR THE PROGRAM TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND STAY FLEXIBLE TO IDEAS OF EXPANSION. 
          UM, AND ANDY, THERE'S ALSO THE COLLABORATION WITH VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS, RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THEY ALSO DO. 
          SO NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE BEAR IT ALL, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE. 
          I HOPE WE INCORPORATE SOME THINKING ABOUT THAT WHEN WE DO REVISE THE TRANSIT PLAN. 
          YEAH, IT'S GIVEN ME SOME IDEAS ALREADY, SO. 
          YEP. 
          LISTEN. 
          YEAH, SO THE PROBLEM WITH THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS IS THAT THEIR SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE TO THEIR NEIGHBORS, UM, OUR CLIENTS AND NOT TO EVERYONE. 
          AND NOT EVERYONE IS A CLIENT, UM, OVER IN VERDE AND THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS. 
          SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ACCESS FOR EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT THEM HAVING TO BE IN ANY SPECIAL PROGRAM. 
          UM, AND IN MY MIND, AND I'VE ALSO HEARD OF CASES WHERE WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE DRIVER'S LICENSE. 
          IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT THEY'RE ELDERLY, THEY JUST, THEY DON'T DRIVE. 
          AND SO THEY'RE ALSO USING THIS FACILITY, UM, IN ORDER TO, TO GET AROUND TOWN. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THAT FOR SURE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT REFRESHING THE PLAN, WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE MAKE THAT CONNECTION, THE MICRO SHUTTLES MORE AVAILABLE, UM, NOT JUST FOLLOWING THE PATTERN THAT THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES, BECAUSE THIS IS FOR US IN THE COMMUNITY, THIS ISN'T DESIGNED FOR TOURISM THE WAY WE THINK OF THE SHUTTLES AT THE TRAILHEAD. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING LONGER HOURS, HAVING, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE DAYS, I, ALL OF THOSE THINGS BECOME, BECOME IMPORTANT. 
          AND IF IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US THAT WE TRY AND GET PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS IN CARS, UM, AND NOT JUST DIVERT THE CARS TO EASE THE TRAFFIC, THEN WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT A FACILITY FOR THEM TO USE. 
          SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE US PUTTING A LITTLE MORE EMPHASIS ON THINKING ABOUT HOW WE USE THIS AS A COMMUNITY FACILITY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I GUESS MAYBE I'LL GO AHEAD AND THROW OUT THE IDEAS THE NEXT TIME THAT WE NEED TO UP THE CONTRACT WITH MB AND CONSIDER A SERVICE, UH, SERVICE EXPANSION. 
          MAYBE THAT'S LOOKING AT LIKE A MONDAY OR A WEDNESDAY AS A LOCALS, YOU KNOW, EXTENSION TO THE SCHEDULE. 
          UM, NOT THAT ONLY LOCALS COULD WRITE IT THAT DAY, BUT THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT, RIGHT? SO I CAN CERTAINLY INVESTIGATE THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN AND KNOW WHAT THAT COST WILL BE. 
          WHAT IS THE RIDERSHIP LIKE ON CONNECT? UM, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THOSE NUMBERS TO COME IN, BUT WE DID GET A LITTLE GLIMPSE INTO THAT. 
          UH, I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE OVER A WEEK AGO. 
          THE INDICATION 
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COMING BACK TO US FROM MB IS THAT WE'RE ABOUT 40% ABOVE WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR. 
          THAT'S EXCELLENT. 
          AND, AND YOU KNOW, TO MELISSA'S POINT TOO, I MEAN, ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF TRANSIT WAS TO REDUCE THE CARS, BUT THE OTHER PURPOSE IS ALSO TO, FOR ACCESSIBILITY FOR, FOR RESIDENTS. 
          YEP. 
          I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT, AND I'LL DEFINITELY INVESTIGATE THAT AND SEE WHAT THAT'LL TAKE. 
          AND, AND I THINK, I DON'T KNOW, AT LEAST IN MY MIND IS I'M LOOKING AT WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE CAN DO TO MAKE LIFE EASIER? AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A C COMMUNITY CONVERSATION ABOUT SENIORS AND FAMILIES, AND THIS MAY VERY WELL BE A TOPIC THAT COMES UP FOR, PARTICULARLY FOR SENIORS. 
          SO HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ALL ABOUT TIMING, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR ANOTHER YEAR IF WE WANTED TO INCREASE THE, UH, THE DAYS AND HOURS YOU SAID IT COULD I MAKE A COMMENT GIVEN THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND GIVEN THAT THIS IS MORE FOR LOCALS, FOR SHOPPING, FOR DOCTORS, FOR WHATEVER OTHER KINDS OF THINGS, IT MAKES ME WONDER WHY WE WERE EMPHASIZING THE WEEKEND ANYWAY. 
          I MEAN, WHY, WHY IS IT NOT MORE WEEKDAYS? BECAUSE IT'S WHEN THE SHUTTLE, THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES UP, RIGHT? OH, SO IT'S USING THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE BUSES, BUT FOR ANOTHER PURPOSE? NO, NO, NO. 
          THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BUSES, BUT THEY FOLLOW THE, THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE, UH, PATTERNS FOR THE AMOUNT OF THE DATE. 
          AND THAT'S BECAUSE, AND THE TIME MOTELS COULD GET TO THE SHUTTLE, TO THE TRAIL SHUTTLE WITHOUT HAVING TO DRIVE TO A PARKING LOT. 
          I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO LINK THAT TO CONTRACT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE RESIDENTS HAVE FALLEN OUT OF THE EQUATION. 
          SO REALLY THE WHOLE BASIS AROUND THE PROGRAM, GOING BACK TO THE STEP HAD TO DO WITH RELIEF OF CONGESTION BECAUSE THIS IS BEYOND, YOU KNOW, CAPACITY EXPANSION AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          IT'S ABOUT MANAGING TRAFFIC, RIGHT? SO THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY IS OUR PEAK DEMAND IN GENERAL THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          SO IN, IN, UH, SPRINGTIME SEASON, THE REASON WE GO TO SEVEN DAYS A WEEK IS BECAUSE OUR PEAK TRAFFIC EXPANDS TO SEVEN DAYS A WEEK ALSO. 
          SO IT'S ABOUT GETTING CARS OFF THE ROAD. 
          YEAH. 
          IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE RESIDENTS ARE TAGGING ON TO THE PRIMARY USE, WHICH IS GETTING TOURISTS OFF THE ROAD. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHICH IS WHY LOOKING AT A MONDAY OR WEDNESDAY LOCALS DAY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 
          SO I WILL DEFINITELY INVESTIGATE THAT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I THINK I WOULD LOOK AT A WEDNESDAY, 'CAUSE MONDAY A LOT OF PLACES ARE CLOSED. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, SUNDAY, MONDAY AT THE DAYS, A LOT OF THE RESTAURANT, A LOT OF RESTAURANTS ARE CLOSED AND OTHER, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY USE IT FOR THAT, BUT RESTAURANTS ARE CLOSED ON TUESDAY, WEDNESDAYS. 
          BUT THOSE ARE THE KIND OF USES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND YOU HAVE SENIOR WIND DAY WEDNESDAYS AT THE GROCERY STORE. 
          WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK. 
          SO ONCE WE HAVE THE MANAGEMENT POSITION FILLED, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS I'D, I'D TASK THEM WITH IS LOOKING INTO THAT. 
          IT'D BE A SIMILAR SERVICE EXPANSION LIKE WE RAN WITH CHAPEL WHERE WE MIGHT SAY, LET'S TRY THIS DURING THIS PERIOD. 
          SEE WHAT IT DOES. 
          IF IT'S NOT A HUGE VOLUME OF USE, IT MAY BE A LOW COST THING THAT WE COULD DO PRETTY EASILY AND SOON. 
          SO OKAY. 
          BUT TO STATE THE OBVIOUS, I THINK THERE'S SOME INTEREST IN POSSIBLY HAVING A BUDGET PLACEHOLDER TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL SERVICE FOR FISCAL 27. 
          SO WE WOULD NEED THAT FOR NEXT MONTH. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          AND THE SHUTTLES THEMSELVES, THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES, ARE WE SEEING, I'M LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS HERE, LOOKS LIKE 25 WAS JUST ABOUT EVEN WITH 24 IS THE ESTIMATE FOR 26 ON TARGET. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT THAT, ANDY? I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT RECENTLY, SO I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT. 
          YEAH, IF YOU COULD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON TRANSIT? JUST MELISSA? SO IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT'S GOING TO BE MADE DURING THE SUMMER IS THAT THE, UH, SOME OF THE SHUTTLES, TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES WILL NOT BE RUNNING DURING PARTS OF THE DAY TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM GOING HIKING, 
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UM, DURING THOSE PARTS OF THE DAY WHEN THEY'RE MOST SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WATER AND THEY'RE WEARING THE WRONG SHOES AND THEY DON'T HAVE HATS OR SUNGLASSES. 
          SO IF THAT'S TRUE, THAT'S GONNA IMPACT THAT, THOSE NUMBERS. 
          UM, JUST BECAUSE YOU, YOU'VE ALREADY LIMITED THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CAN TAKE THE SHUTTLES DURING THOSE TIMES. 
          HAS THAT BEEN FACTORED INTO YOUR NUMBERS? UM, WE DID DO THAT LAST YEAR. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          WE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY DO TO OFFSET, YOU KNOW, THE HEAT ISSUE, HEAT EXHAUSTION AND THAT SORT OF SAFETY, UH, SIDE OF THINGS, WHETHER WE LIMIT HOURS THIS YEAR OR NOT HAS NOT BEEN A HUNDRED PERCENT DECIDED YET. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COORDINATE WITH THE FOREST SERVICE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S PROBABLY NOT INCLUDED IN THE NUMBERS, IS THE ANSWER. 
          YEAH. 
          YOUR NUMBERS WON'T GO DOWN. 
          RIGHT. 
          HOW ARE WE DOING FINDING A REPLACEMENT FOR THE TRANSIT MANAGER? DOING VERY WELL. 
          UH, LAST TIME WE LOOKED WE HAD 12 APPLICATIONS. 
          WE DID A FIRST ROUND, UM, WE REMOTE INTERVIEW WITH OUR TOP CANDIDATES AND WE, UM, NARROWED THAT DOWN TO A TOP THREE AND WE'LL BE DOING A SECOND ROUND IN PERSON INTERVIEW ON MAY 4TH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING REALLY WELL. 
          OUR TOP THREE LOOK PRETTY GOOD TO ME, SO I'M VERY HOPEFUL. 
          AND THAT FIRST ROUND OF INTERVIEWS WENT PRETTY WELL TOO, SO THAT'S GOOD. 
          AND ANDY, THANK YOU FOR STEPPING INTO THAT ROLE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAD A LOT OF TIME  OR CAPACITY. 
          MY PLEASURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN I ASK QUESTION? SO THIS IS REALLY, I I THINK MORE GENERAL LEDGER QUESTION AND PROBABLY THEREFORE WEIRD, BUT, UM, WE HAVE STEPS IN PARKING MANAGEMENT SORT OF COMBINED, AND YET WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THEM AS BEING TWO VERY DIFFERENT AND SEPARATE PROGRAMS THAT WILL, I THINK REQUIRE DIFFERENT THINKING AROUND BUDGET AND EXPENSES AND ALL OF THAT SORT OF THING. 
          SO IS THERE A PLAN FOR WHEN THIS MOVES OVER, WE'RE GONNA SEPARATE THAT INTO TWO DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AS OPPOSED TO STEPS IN PARKING MANAGEMENT? WELL, IT DOES MAKE SENSE BECAUSE PARKING, AS I'M SURE YOU RECALL, WILL BE A ENTERPRISE FUND. 
          SO THEY WILL NEED TO BE SEPARATED, UM, MOVING FORWARD. 
          WHETHER THAT BE AN INTERNAL ALLOCATION OR NOT, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE REALLY DECIDED THAT, WE'LL, WE'LL PROBABLY JUST CREATE A PROGRAM SPECIFIC TO STEPS SO THAT IT'S NOT RULED INTO THAT ENTERPRISE FUND. 
          'CAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT PIECE STAY IN THE GENERAL FUND. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOVING. 
          AND NOW WE'RE INTO LIKE A RECAP OF THE OPERATING BUDGET 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT FUNDING SOURCES AND USES THE FUNDS OVERALL AND WASTEWATER SORT OF FORECAST AND CONSIDERATIONS FOR PLANNING. 
          SO WE ALREADY SAW THESE, I'M NOT GONNA READ YOU THE SLIDES YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN. 
          UM, SAME THING WITH THE REVENUES YOU'VE SEEN AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE FOR THE INCREASE DECREASE, UM, YOU CAN SEE WE'RE TAKING OUT THAT FRANCHISE FEE TO ARIZONA WATER. 
          UM, AND OTHER THAN THAT, OUR, OUR INCREASES IN REVENUES ARE ONLY THOSE THAT WE COULD VERIFY. 
          NOTHING THAT LIKE SALES TAX AND BED TAX, WHICH OF COURSE ARE THE MAJOR PARTS OF OUR REVENUE STREAMS. WE ARE CONTINUING TO HOLD THOSE FLAT JUST IN THE INTEREST OF PRUDENT BUDGETING. 
          CHARGE FOR SERVICES. 
          YEAH. 
          CHARGES FOR SERVICES WOULD BE ANYTHING WE CHARGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          A FEE FOR THE 16% INCREASE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          ANY YEAH. 
          CATEGORIES. 
          THE IS GONNA JUST BE THE PARKING GARAGE COMING ONLINE IN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK ACCUMULATING THOSE REVENUES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S ASSUMING THE INITIAL RATES AND THE PLAN, I BELIEVE, BECAUSE I THINK THE, IF I UNDERSTOOD FROM YOU CORRECTLY, UH, ANDY, LIKE WE'RE JUST IMPLEMENTING THE INITIAL RATES AND THEN WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT LIKE ALL OF THE THINGS AND DETERMINE THE RATES LATER ON WHERE THEY NEED TO BE AT THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          SO WE'LL BE COLLECTING DATA AND WE MAY ADJUST THOSE. 
          UM, EXACTLY. 
          WE'RE NOT EXPECTING NECESSARILY TO ADJUST 
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THEM, BUT WE'RE KEEPING IT, UM, FLEXIBLE IN THAT WAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          AND THEN, LET'S SEE, THIS IS JUST REVENUES AND EXPENSES BY FUND AND THE INTERFUND TRANSFERS AND YOU WANTED TO CALL THIS OUT? YEAH. 
          SO THIS IS JUST A CALL OUT OF, UH, NUMBERS THAT YOU DON'T SEE TODAY IN YOUR PACKET. 
          SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT CAME AFTER THE ROLLUP OF THE BUDGET. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, UM, YOU WERE AWARE OF CHANGES THAT WERE NOT IN YOUR PACKET TODAY. 
          SO, UH, ONE THAT REALLY IS NON-MONETARY BASE, BUT IT'S JUST A CHANGE IN ALLOCATION IS THE RISK REASSIGNMENT OF DEBT PAYMENTS TO THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          UH, THE OTHER, IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT THAT PARKS, UH, REACHED OUT ASKING ABOUT IS JUST A $1,400 INCREASE TO THEIR PROMOTIONAL BUDGET. 
          SMALL INCREASE TO OUR DEBT BOOK CONTRACT, WHICH MANAGES OUR, MANAGES OUR LEASES AND, UH, FINANCE PURCHASE AGREEMENTS. 
          THAT'S JUST A SMALL CONTRACT INCREASE. 
          THE LARGEST REALLY HERE IS JUST THE STREET'S. 
          PAVEMENT PRESERVATION THAT WE CALLED OUT WITH CURT IS JUST ADDING, UH, JUST DUE TO OIL, OIL PRICES, AN INCREASE OF $150,000 TO THAT BUDGET. 
          UH, CHIEF IS IT HERE, UH, ONE THING THAT UM, I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO REACH OUT IS STATE 9 1 1 FUNDING IS NO LONGER A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDING, UH, OUR CALL CENTERS. 
          AND THEY'RE ASKING THE CITIES TO PICK UP A PORTION OF THAT. 
          SO WE'RE JUST ADDING $20,000 TO OUR BUDGET, UH, TO PICK UP THE PORTION THAT THE STATE IS NO LONGER FUNDING. 
          AND THE NEXT SLIDE IS, UM, JUST GOT AN EMAIL, I THINK IT WAS YESTERDAY, TODAY FROM KURT FOR THE EAST FOREST ROAD PRO IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THIS WHEN WE GET TO CIP. 
          UH, WE CARRIED OVER FROM FY 26 TO FY 27, UH, MAJORITY OF THE COSTS. 
          SO 1.45 MILLION AND KURT REACHED OUT, UH, LAST EVENING JUST LETTING US KNOW THAT WE WOULD NEED TO CARRY THE FULL PROJECT COST. 
          SO WE'RE JUST ADDING AN ADDITIONAL 150,000 IN CARRYOVER FROM 26 TO 27 
          [3.h. Funding Summaries (General, Streets, Housing, Grants & Donations, Capital Improvement, Arts, Development Impact Fee, Transit, Wastewater, Internal Service IT) ]
MOVING INTO THE FUND SUMMARIES. 
          UM, I KNOW WE HAVEN'T USUALLY PRESENTED THESE LIKE THIS IN THE BUDGET, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE EACH FUND AND WHERE IT'S ENDING. 
          THIS IS THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS THE, THE MAIN FUND OF THE CITY. 
          AND IT'S COMPARING 26 TO 27. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, GENERAL FUND AND IT'S JUST WHAT, WHAT IS RESERVED AND TOTAL ENDING FUND BALANCES AND THE STREETS FUND AND OH YES. 
          WOULD YOU PLEASE GO BACK ONE? SO YOU'LL SEE THERE'S THE LINE ITEM THERE IN THE MIDDLE. 
          THAT'S THE AMOUNT, UH, COUNSEL IN THE PAST HAS ASKED ABOUT WHAT IS THE AVAILABLE MONEY FROM, YOU KNOW, THE LAST AUDITED YEAR THAT HASN'T BEEN ALLOCATED TO ANYTHING YET. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE YOU FIND THAT NUMBER, RIGHT? THAT'S THERE. 
          AND THEN WE'LL CALL THAT OUT SPECIFICALLY TOMORROW WHEN WE GET INTO LIKE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL. 
          AND AT THAT, AT THAT POINT, WELL REALLY AT ANY POINT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT, BUT WE'LL HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC OPPORTUNITY AFTER YOU TALK ABOUT SCHOOL DISTRICT AND PARTNERSHIPS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO WITH THAT. 
          I THINK WE, WE WILL WANNA SEE THE LEASES AND FINANCED ABSOLUTELY. 
          ITEMS AND SEE WHAT THAT ADD UP TO. 
          AND HE'S ALREADY ADDED THOSE INTO THE PRESENTATION FOR TOMORROW. 
          AND WE'LL MAKE SURE TO PRINT IT OUT FOR YOUR, THEN WE'LL SEE HOW MUCH IS LEFT OVER. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THE STREETS FUNDS WHAT THAT LEFTOVER FROM 25, NOT TO SPEAK, IT WAS LEFT OVER NO LEFTOVER FROM THE LEASES. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AND THEN HOW WE WOULD ALLOCATE THE REMAINDER OF IT AND THE HOUSING FUND THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, UH, GRANTS AND DONATIONS FUND, TRANSPORTATION, SALES TAX FUND, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND DEVELOPMENT, IMPACT FEE FUNDS. 
          THIS IS MULTIPLE FUNDS AND YOU CAN SEE THAT AT THE END OF THIS BUDGET YEAR, WE'RE RUNNING A DEFICIT THERE. 
          AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST IS WE HAVE ALLOCATED PROJECTS TO THAT FUND IF THEY WERE ELIGIBLE, AND THEN WE WOULD MAKE TRANSFERS FROM THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND INTO THIS. 
          UM, I DON'T REALLY PREFER TO DO IT THAT WAY BECAUSE THEN WE ALWAYS HAVE THAT DEFICIT AT THE END OF THE YEAR IF WE'RE NOT COLLECTING ENOUGH TO COVER ALL THE PROJECTS THIS WAY, WE BUDGET THE PROJECTS WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE MONEY, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE GENERAL FUND. 
          'CAUSE THE GENERAL FUND SENDS MONEY TO THE CAPITAL PROJECT 
          [07:00:01]
FUND. 
          SO THIS WAY AND MOVING FORWARD, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS BUDGET THOSE PROJECTS IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND. 
          WE'LL STILL KNOW IF THEY'RE ELIGIBLE AND THEN IF WE HAVE A SURPLUS IN THE DIFF FUND, WE'LL THEN COVER THOSE PROJECTS, FLIP IT. 
          SO IT'S JUST AN ACCOUNTING CHANGE IN HOW WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THOSE. 
          AND THEN THE ARTS FUND AND THE TRANSIT FUND AND THE IT FUND, WHICH IS AN INTERNAL SERVICE FUND. 
          SO IT OPERATES LIKE AN ENTERPRISE FUND, BUT THE REALITY IS ALL OF ITS MONEY COMES IN REALLY THROUGH TRANSFERS FROM OTHER FUNDS. 
          THE ONLY REVENUES I THINK ARE, ARE WHAT JUST LEASES, I'M JUST GUESSING. 
          SO STERLING WILL LOOK UP WHAT THOSE ARE. 
          AND THEN THE WASTEWATER FUND, AND THIS IS WHERE REALLY, UM, WE NEED COUNCILS SORT OF UNDERSTANDING AND, YOU KNOW, EXPECTATIONS GOING FORWARD. 
          LIKE HOW ARE WE GONNA HANDLE THE WASTEWATER FUND? WE KNOW IT'S BEEN SUBSIDIZED FOR YEARS. 
          WE KNOW THE SUBSIDY CAN'T REALLY GO AWAY YET. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT THE GOAL WAS REALLY TO HAVE IT GO AWAY PRETTY SOON. 
          UM, BUT THE REALITY IS WITH THE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO DO AND THE RESERVES THAT WE NEED TO HAVE, THERE'S A SHORTFALL IN FISCAL YEAR 27 OF ABOUT 4.8 MILLION THAT'S ALREADY ASSUMED IN THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET. 
          OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. 
          UM, BUT BECAUSE WE WANT TO FUND THE WASTEWATER FUNDS CAPITAL PROJECTS THIS COMING YEAR WITH CASH, THE GENERAL FUND HAS TO COVER THIS AMOUNT OF SHORTFALL. 
          IF WE CHOSE TO ISSUE DEBT AND PAY FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE'RE ALSO GONNA DO IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE AS MUCH FROM THE GENERAL FUND. 
          BUT WE, WE WILL HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE SOMETHING. 
          AND YOU KNOW, DEBT WILL DEFINITELY BE THE MAIN VEHICLE TO COMPLETE THE LONG-TERM PLAN FOR THE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS, WHICH IS HERE THROUGH 2036. 
          AND IT IS A PRETTY, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AND FAIRLY AMBITIOUS PLAN, BUT IT GETS US WHERE, UM, ROXANNE I KNOW SPOKE TO YOU ALL ABOUT IN JANUARY AND OUR RFP FOR THE RATE STUDY FOR WASTEWATER IS IN PROGRESS RIGHT NOW. 
          IN FACT, ROXANNE AND I JUST FINISHED ANSWERING QUESTIONS FOR THE ADDENDUM AND I BELIEVE THE RFP CLOSES NEXT, NEXT WEEK MAYBE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE WE'RE CASH FUNDING THE WASTEWATER PROJECTS THIS UPCOMING YEAR WITH AN EXPECTATION THAT WE WOULD ISSUE DEBT, UM, EITHER IN THE SPRING OR SUMMER FOR THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING UP IN THE, YOU KNOW, 28 TO 31 PERIOD OF TIME. 
          AND SO, AS WE SAID, THE FUND IS ROUTINELY SUBSIDIZED AND THE CITY DID ISSUE EXCISE TAX REVENUE BONDS, WHICH OF COURSE ARE BEING PAID OFF, BUT THEY ARE, IT'S NOT IDEAL TO EVER HAVE LIKE A TAXPAYER DRIVEN PART OF THE CITY SUBSIDIZING WHAT'S AN ENTERPRISE FUND THAT SHOULD BE RATE SUPPORTED. 
          AND YOU KNOW, EITHER WAY IS NOT IDEAL. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN, THERE'S A LOT OF CASE LAW NATIONALLY AROUND CITIES THAT BASICALLY USE THEIR, UM, ELECTRIC AND WASTEWATER AND WATER FUNDS AS KIND OF THESE CASH COWS TO FUND GENERAL FUNDS THAT COULDN'T BRING IN ENOUGH REVENUE TO KEEP OPERATIONS GOING. 
          WE HAVE KIND OF THE OPPOSITE THING GOING ON, RIGHT? WHERE WE'RE SENDING MONEY TO WASTEWATER TO MAKE AND WE'RE SUBSIDIZING THE, WHAT THE RATES AREN'T COVERING. 
          AND THAT HAS, AND THIS IS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OVER TIME IS WE'VE DECREASED IT SINCE 2020. 
          WE'VE BEEN, WELL 2019 REALLY, WE DECREASED IT A LOT AND WE'VE BEEN DECREASING IT OVER TIME. 
          BUT IN ORDER TO COVER NEXT YEAR'S CAPITAL INVESTMENTS, UM, NEXT YEAR'S SUBSIDY IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. 
          AND THEN THIS AGAIN JUST SAYS WHAT, WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, BUT THE RATE, THE RATE STUDY SHOULD PROVIDE FOR US, LIKE AN ACHIEVABLE PLAN AND A RATE STRUCTURE THAT WE CAN GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE'RE NO LONGER SUBSIDIZING WITH TAX DOLLARS, THE RATE SUPPORTED ENTERPRISE FUND. 
          BUT OVER TIME, RIGHT? I MEAN, OH YES, WE WANNA GO. 
          IT HAS TO BE OVER TIME. 
          I, I THINK, UM, REALISTICALLY, I MEAN CERTAINLY UTILITIES CAN DO THAT, 
          [07:05:01]
BUT IT'S NOT, IT IS A BETTER PRACTICE TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO YOU TIME YOUR EXPENSES AND YOUR RATE INCREASES TO MEET YOUR NEEDS WITHOUT HAVING THIS MASSIVE IMPACT IN ONE YEAR. 
          BARBARA, IS THAT RATE STUDY GOING TO INCORPORATE THAT 10 YEAR CAPITAL PLAN THAT YOU SHOWED? BECAUSE LIKE THAT'S PRETTY DAUNTING LOOKING AT THAT MM-HMM . 
          AND I MEAN I ALREADY DID THE MATH ON WHAT THAT 4.8 MILLION IF YOU DIVIDED THAT BY 6,800 HOUSES TO MAKE IT GO AWAY. 
          I MEAN THAT MORE THAN DOUBLES. 
          ITS A LOT EXISTING RATE'S. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          IT'S A LOT. 
          UM, AND PART OF THE RATE STUDY SHOULD BE NOT ONLY LOOKING AT THE CAPITAL PLAN IN THOSE 10 YEARS, BUT REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT IS THIS SYSTEM GONNA NEED OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS AND HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT LIKE FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS, BUT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT A LONG-TERM SUSTAINABLE PLAN FOR, FOR THE WASTEWATER FUND AND BOTH COLLECTIONS AND TREATMENT OVER TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THERE, THERE WAS A, AN ACCELERATION SCHEDULE MM-HMM . 
          UH, AND I DON'T RECALL WHAT DATE THE, THE NEXT INCREASE WAS GOING TO BE, BUT COUNSEL PUT A HOLD ON THAT WHEN, WHEN THE SUBSIDIES WERE STARTING TO DECREASE, I THINK THERE WAS A PLAN AT THAT POINT TO INCREASE RATES OVER TIME. 
          ANDY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER HOW THAT, WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE. 
          OBVIOUSLY I DON'T, YEAH, I DON'T REMEMBER A LOT OF THE DETAIL. 
          MAYBE ROXANNE DOES . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I MEAN REALIZE SHE WAS STILL HERE. 
          YAY. 
          HI. 
          UH, I DON'T REMEMBER SPECIFIC DETAILS, BUT A LOT OF THAT SURROUNDED THAT LAST RATE STUDY THAT WE DID THAT WE NEVER REALLY COMPLETED. 
          SO WE GOT SOME NEW RATES FOR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS WHERE WE HAVE A WATER BASED RATE NOW. 
          UM, BUT WE NEVER REALLY FINISHED THE, THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE FULL RATE STUDY. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE DELAY WAS ON THAT. 
          AND THAT WAS NEARLY SIX YEARS AGO NOW, AT LEAST FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          TIME FLIES. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST AN OUT THERE QUESTION. 
          IS THERE A STATUTORY REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE AN ENTERPRISE FUND OR IT'S JUST BEST PRACTICES? THAT'S A, IS THERE SOMETHING INHERENTLY MORALLY WRONG WITH THE GENERAL FUND SUBSIDIZING IT? WELL, IT'S A GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING STANDARDS BOARD DOES REQUIRE THAT IT'S REPORTED AS AN ENTERPRISE FUND. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THERE YOU GO, . 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, THERE IS, THERE IS THAT, THERE IS NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF A STATUTORY REQUIREMENT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND COUNCILOR HOSSEINI, THERE'S NO STATUTORY RE REQUIREMENT OTHER THAN THAT. 
          IF THE ENTERPRISE FUND, THE MUNICIPAL WASTEWATER CORPORATION WANTED TO ISSUE ANY ADDITIONAL BONDS THAT HAVE TO BE SELF-SUSTAINING, ADDITIONAL BONDS, WELL HOW DID WE GET THE BONDS IN THE FIRST PLACE? IT WASN'T SUBSIDIZED AT THAT POINT. 
          IT WAS SUSTAIN IT POINT. 
          IT WASN'T SU INITIALLY SUBSIDIZED AND THEY WERE PROMISED IT ALL AND THEN IT FELL OFF AND THEN THERE WAS A PLAN TO BRING IT BACK AND IT NEVER QUITE MADE IT ALL THE WAY BACK. 
          BUT WE'RE PAYING OFF THE REST OF THOSE THIS YEAR. 
          SO THIS YEAR MM-HMM . 
          I COULD CERTAINLY RATIONALIZE THE GENERAL FUND CONTINUING TO SUBSIDIZE IF IT WEREN'T FOR THAT PESKY G SBY. 
          I KNOW, LIKE GSP. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT WASTEWATER? I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF, IT IS DAUNTING, BUT, UH, A REALLY GOOD RATE STUDY, WHICH WE WROTE A REALLY GOOD LIKE RATE STUDY RFP, WE WILL HAVE A RATE STUDY THAT GIVES US A REALLY CLEAR PLAN AND OPTIONS MOVING FORWARD, UM, THAT THAT SHOULD PROVIDE, LIKE IF YOU WANNA DO THIS, HERE'S THE DIRECTION YOU WOULD GO IF YOU WANNA DO THIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          LISTEN. 
          UM, SO ROXANNE, I SEE ON THE WASTEWATER FUND 10 CAPITAL PLAN ON PAGE 95 OR ONE 90, I CAN'T TELL THERE'S TWO NUMBERS ON THIS PAGE. 
          UM, YOU'VE GOT THE RECHARGE WELLS, UM, FOR THREE YEARS, 27, 28, 29. 
          SO ARE THESE THE RE RECHARGE WELLS? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REPLACING YOUR PIPING OVER AT THE DELLS? OR IS THIS THE RECHARGE WELLS YOU CURRENTLY HAVE? NO, THAT'S, UH, REPLACING THE, ABANDONING THE IRRIGATION AND ADDING TWO NEW RECHARGE WELLS. 
          IT'S A THREE YEAR PROJECT. 
          IT'S A THREE YEAR PROJECT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I SEEM TO REMEMBER SOMEWHERE THAT YOU SET WAS THREE TO FIVE YEAR PROJECT AND YOU THINK NOW IT'S A THREE YEAR PROJECT? OH, WE HAVE IT SCHEDULED FOR THREE YEARS. 
          UM, IF WE, I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE THE FIVE YEARS CAME IN. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          IT WAS SOME CONVERSATION WE HAD AROUND WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD DO RECHARGE WELLS. 
          WE HAD A LOT OF OPTIONS. 
          SO I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE THAT FIVE YEARS CAME FROM. 
          [07:10:02]
THERE, THERE IS SOMETHING NOTED IN YEAR SIX RELATED TO RECHARGE WELLS. 
          SO THOSE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL WELLS, UM, FOR ADDED CAPACITY AS WE NEED THEM. 
          OUR, OUR OPTIMIZATION PLAN IDENTIFIED EITHER FIVE OR SIX DEPENDING ON, ON YEAH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE AT FISCAL YEAR 33 MM-HMM . 
          YEAH, I WASN'T INCLUDING THAT ONE. 
          I JUST FIGURED THERE WITH THE THREE YEARS IN A ROW THAT THOSE WERE THE RECHARGE WELLS THAT WOULD BE REPLACING THE PIPING OUT AT THE DES AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAD THAT CORRECT. 
          YES, THAT'S JUST TWO ADDITIONAL WELLS TO, TO REPLACE THE IRRIGATION. 
          ALEXANDER, ARE THERE ANY UPDATES ON PFAS RIGS? NO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SUCCINCT . 
          ONE OTHER QUESTION. 
          SO THE RATE STUDY RFPS GOING OUT, WHEN DO WE THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE RESULTS TO DISCUSS? WE SHOULD GET THE, THE RESPONSES BACK NEXT WEEK AND THEN WE'LL START REVIEW. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT LIKE WHEN YOU THINK YOU'LL BE PRESENTING A RATE STUDY COMPLETED RATE STUDY TO COUNCIL COMPLETED PROBABLY IN THE FALL. 
          I WOULD SAY LATE FALL, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER TIMEFRAME. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ROXANNE OR ABOUT WASTEWATER? OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT, WELL, SO SEE WE'VE MADE UP A HALF AN HOUR. 
          YOU HAVE, AND CIP DISCUSSION IS ACTUALLY THE LAST ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA IS TO START THE CONVERSATION 
          [3.j. CIP Projects and Funding Sources]
AROUND CIP. 
          UM, THE SLIDES ARE VERY GENERAL. 
          WE HAVE AVAILABLE ALL OF THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT SLIDES IF YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A PROJECT THAT YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT. 
          SO ON THE, ON THE SLIDES AND IN YOUR, UM, MEMO, WHICH IS LIKE MEMO PAGE 17, I BELIEVE THESE TWO ARE CIP BY FUND AND THEN BY CATEGORY. 
          AND THEN THESE ARE THE CHANGES YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          THIS, THIS SLIDE IS NOT IN YOUR, IN YOUR BOOK, BUT THIS TELLS YOU, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S INCREASING, WHAT'S DECREASING FUNDING LEVEL YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE THE CIP 
          [3.i. Capital Improvement Projects (CIP) Overview/History and Prioritization]
HISTORY AND WITH BUDGET AND ACTUAL AND WHAT PERCENT WE'VE SPENT OR ANTICIPATE SPENDING. 
          AND THEN HERE'S THAT IN CHART FORM. 
          FUNDING 
          [3.g. Funding Sources]
SOURCES FOR THE CIP ARE THESE, THESE ARE THOSE SOURCES. 
          THE CAPITAL RESERVES ARE THE MAJORITY OF THOSE, AND THAT INCLUDES WASTEWATER, BOTH REVENUE AND RESERVES OF 9.2 MILLION. 
          [3.k. CIP by Category Items not completed on Wednesday, April 22, 2026, will be carried over to Thursday, April 23, 2026 beginning at 8:00 a.m.]
AND THEN THESE ARE, UM, THE PROJECTS THAT SHOULD BE COMPLETE WITHIN THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE ON THE NEXT SLIDE AND YOUR MEMO PAGE 21, SLIDE 2 0 3 PROJECTS THAT ARE STARTING IN FISCAL 27. 
          SO THESE ARE THE NEW PROJECTS THAT 5.3 MILLION. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT TWO SLIDES I THINK ARE PROJECTS CONTINUING FROM 26 TO 27. 
          AND THEN WE ADDED THE ESTIMATED COMPLETION DATES ON THESE. 
          AND IN SOME CASES WE JUST PUT THE END OF A FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE WE WEREN'T TOTALLY SURE, BUT WE WANTED TO GIVE AN IDEA OF WHEN EACH OF THESE IS ANTICIPATED TO ROLL OFF THE BUDGET. 
          AND THAT'S THESE THREE PAGES HERE, MELISSA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I, UM, HAD A QUESTION ON THE RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE WHEN I WAS READING THE DETAILS OF IT. 
          UM, AND I SAW 1.2 MILLION, WE, WE APPROVED YOU PUTTING IN MORE INFRASTRUCTURES. 
          IS THAT THESE OR ARE YOU LOOKING AT THREE ADDITIONAL ONES ON TOP OF THE ONES THAT WE JUST APPROVED A MONTH OR SO AGO? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TOWER, RIGHT? THE INFRASTRUCTURE RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE TOWERS. 
          THIS TOWER, UH, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE, WE DID ADD TO IT. 
          SO THIS WAS, I BELIEVE THE OLD NUMBER AND NOT THE NEW NUMBER THAT WE HAD REQUESTED FROM CONTINGENCY TO ADD ON TO WHAT WAS IDENTIFIED A MONTH AGO, I BELIEVE, OR A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. 
          BUT THAT WHAT WAS WHAT YOU CAME AND SPOKE TO COUNCIL ABOUT TO GET APPROVAL FOR MOVING FORWARD IS THIS PROJECT FOR 27, ARE YOU 
          [07:15:01]
ASKING ABOUT THE EMERGENCY SIRENS OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE RADIO? THE RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE I THINK. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE'RE CONVERTING, UM, OUR RADIO SYSTEM TO THE P 25 COMPLIANT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE BUILDING TOWERS AS PART OF THAT. 
          OH, SO THEN MAYBE I'M CONFUSING THE TWO. 
          YEAH, SO WE'RE, THE PROJECT WITH THE GRANT FROM COCONINO COUNTY TO PUT IN THE THREE SIRENS WILL BE COMPLETE THIS FISCAL YEAR AND IS NOT IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          UM, THIS PROJECT IS THE ONE FOR THE ACTUAL RADIO SYSTEM AND PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT WITH ALL THE UPGRADES THAT THEY'RE MAKING. 
          AND WE'RE PIGGYBACKING ONTO THAT TO UPGRADE AT THE SAME TIME WITH TRON. 
          THAT'S WHO THE SIRENS. 
          DO YOU HAVE A SMALL ANNUAL ONGOING MAINTENANCE COMPONENT? LIKE 10,000 FALL SHOULD BE DONE. 
          YEAH, IT'LL BE ALL INSTALLATION WILL BE DONE THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND THAT INCLUDES THE THIRD SIREN THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR? CORRECT. 
          THEY'RE ACTUALLY ALL, UM, IN GETTING BUILT RIGHT NOW PAINTED AND THEN THEY'LL BE SHIPPED HERE I BELIEVE WITHIN A MONTH. 
          AND THEN THEY SHOULD BE, UM, INSTALLED BY THE END OF JUNE. 
          SO WE'RE ON SCHEDULE. 
          DEPENDS ON THE, WE'RE ON SCHEDULE TWO YEARS LATE. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          LET'S, WELL THIS NEW SCHEDULE. 
          YEAH. 
          DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RADIO? JUST WANNA SAY NOT ANYTHING THAT THE POLICE COULD HAVE DONE BETTER. 
          THANKS. 
          I THINK, CAN I GO BACK TO SOMETHING? UM, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FUND 
          [3.l. Wastewater Fund Capital Planning and Forecast Scenarios]
SOURCES AND THE WASTEWATER RESERVE REVENUE SLASH RESERVES 9.2 MILLION, CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT THE OPERATING RESERVE, UH, POLICY IS FOR WASTEWATER FUND, WHAT IS THE AMOUNT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HOLDING IN RESERVE? YEAH. 
          I BELIEVE THE, UH, WASTEWATER RESERVE IS 33% OF OPERATING EXPENSES OF THE OPERAT BUDGET, WHICH EQUATES TO HOW MUCH OF THIS 9.2, LET ME PULL UP, WE HAVE THAT IN THE, IN THE SLIDE HERE. 
          I'M NOT SUGGESTING IT BE A SUBSTITUTE OR THAT WE REVISIT THAT RESERVE LEVEL NECESSARILY. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING HOW LARGE IT IS. 
          YEAH. 
          THE OPERATING RESERVE IS 1.62 MILLION. 
          OH, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TO DO. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS RESERVE OF 5.5 MILLION, AND COUNCIL COULD CHOOSE TO USE THE 5.5 MILLION THAT IS IN THEIR CAPITAL RESERVE RATHER THAN AN ADDITIONAL SUBSIDY FROM THE GENERAL FUND. 
          UM, THAT WOULD WIPE OUT THAT CAPITAL RESERVE, BUT IT WOULDN'T, UM, IT WOULDN'T PUT THE FUND AT RISK. 
          IT WOULDN'T PUT THE CITY AT RISK. 
          IT JUST SHIFTS A BURDEN FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO WASTEWATER. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT MAKES GS B HAPPIER TEMPORARILY, PROBABLY MAKES GS B HAPPIER AND IF NEEDED, GENERAL FUND COULD STEP BACK IN. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          BECAUSE IT'S POWERFUL. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THEY COULD. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, MELISSA, THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO THIS IS JUST, I WASN'T HERE WHEN THE CONVERSATION HAPPENED, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLARITY. 
          UM, WHEN WE SEE IT'S GOT THE GOODROW LANE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, SO I WASN'T HERE, SO I'M, I APOLOGIZE. 
          BUT IS THAT JUST FOR GOODROW LANE OR IS THAT ACTUALLY FOR SOME OF THE OTHER SMALL ROADS THAT ARE UP INSIDE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? BECAUSE I KNOW THEY WERE ALSO WORRIED ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THEIR ROADS AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOODROW LANE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT WAS THAT AREA, THE WHOLE AREA, RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          GOODROW AND THE STREETS THAT BRANCH OFF AND WE YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT WHAT ISN'T IN HERE, OR AT LEAST POINT ME IF IT IS, IS THE, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT THE STREET IS. 
          GO OVER TO CONTRACTORS ROAD. 
          OH,  BENNETT. 
          BENNETT WAY. 
          YEAH. 
          BENNETT WAY. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          . 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S NOT IN THIS, THAT'S NOT IN HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          'CAUSE BENNETT WAY IS ACTUALLY A FAIRLY NEW STREET. 
          IT IS UP TO CURRENT STANDARD AND UM, IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY FIT THE SAME CATEGORY AS, AS THOSE OTHER STREETS THAT WERE CITY OWNED, NOT MAINTAINED AND SUBSTANDARD. 
          SO IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, COUNSEL, UM, SUGGESTED THAT IN A FUTURE PROJECT WE LOOK AT WHAT WOULD IT TAKE IF WE HAD TO EXTEND THAT THROUGH, WHICH INVOLVES MOVING THAT STORAGE BUILDING AND LIKE IT'S A REALLY BIG PROJECT. 
          AND SO THAT'S NOT CONTEMPLATED FOR FY 27 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE COULD PULL IT OFF NEXT YEAR. 
          BUT IT IS ON THE LIST OF THINGS FOR US TO EVALUATE. 
          [07:20:01]
WELL, IN THE IT, WE REALLY WANTED IT TO BE SIMULTANEOUS TO THE DEGREE POSSIBLE WITH THE PROJECT. 
          'CAUSE THEY DON'T NEED IT UNTIL THE, UH, GOOD ROW HOUSING DEVELOPMENT GOES IN. 
          SO IT COULD WAIT TILL 28. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I'M SORRY, I COMPLETELY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION BEFORE. 
          IS ANYBODY FROM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT HERE? NO. 
          JUST MAYBE WE'LL ASK HOW THAT PROJECT IS PROGRESSING IN TERMS OF PULLING PERMITS AND THINGS, SEE WHERE THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS. 
          AND THE OTHER LITTLE ORPHAN STREETS ARE, AGAIN, A FISCAL 28 OR BEYOND ISSUE, OR SOME OF THEM WE'RE NOT, I GUESS, FITTING THE CRITERIA THAT COUNSEL WANTED FURTHER INVESTIGATION ON. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, SEVERAL OF THOSE STREETS ONLY SERVED, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR FEWER PARCELS, WHICH DON'T REALLY EVEN MEET THE CRITERIA OF BEING A PUBLIC STREET. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, A MINOR, JUST VERY CLOSE TO JUST A DRIVEWAY SITUATION. 
          UM, THERE WERE A FEW THAT WERE LIKE THAT. 
          UH, I REMEMBER WE WENT DOWN THE LIST AND THERE WERE SOME LIKE THAT. 
          THERE WERE SOME THAT MIGHT NOT SERVE MANY, BUT IT WOULD BE A GOOD, LIKE GRASSHOPPER CAME TO MIND. 
          THEY, THEY, THEY, THERE WERE POSSIBILITIES FOR SOME OF THEM. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT I GUESS MY GENERAL QUESTION IS, IS THEY'RE NOT APPEARING FOR 27, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, I THINK WITH, WE'LL REVIEW WITH THE GOODROW REVIEW, WE'LL BE LOOKING IN GENERAL AS WELL. 
          UM, BUT I THINK IT WAS MOVE FORWARD WITH GOODROW IN THE NEAR TERM WAS THE DIRECTION AS I RECALL. 
          BUT THAT WAS PRIORITIZED. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND JUST REMIND ME PLEASE, WHAT'S RED HAWK LANE? UH, LET'S SEE. 
          SD 16, RED HAWK LANE 300,000. 
          THAT'S A STORM DRAINAGE ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S HI JOHN. 
          HELLO. 
          IT'S A STORM DRAINAGE ONE. 
          PERFECT TIMING. 
          JOHN. 
          I I HAD A LITTLE BIRD CALL ME. 
          UM, YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A DRAINAGE PROJECT. 
          IT'S, UH, THE FLOWS IN THE DRAINAGE EXPOSE, UH, SEWER LINE. 
          UH, THERE IS A SEPARATE SEWER, UH, WASTEWATER PROJECT TO CAP THAT LINE, BUT IN ORDER TO STABILIZE THAT DRAINAGE, THAT'S WHAT THAT PROJECT'S ABOUT. 
          WHERE IS RED HAWK LANE? ANYBODY KNOW? IT'S, IT'S DOWN BY THE EL CAMINO LIFT STATION. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT IS A SD SO THAT'S WHY IT'S, IT IS A STORM DRAIN PROJECT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS JOHN. 
          I'LL LET YOU. 
          SO YOU SHOWED US THREE PROJECTS, I THINK THAT WERE THE COUNTY ROADS THAT WERE NOT MAINTAINED. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THEY WERE, THEY WERE ACCEPTED BY THE COUNTY BEFORE CITY INCORPORATION, BUT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE MAINTAINED, UM, UNTIL THEY WERE BROUGHT UP TO CURRENT STANDARD. 
          THAT WAS A POSITION TAKEN BY THE COUNTY AND IT WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY. 
          WHEN THE CITY INCORP INCORPORATED, UH, ANOTHER EXAMPLE WAS KLEIN ROAD. 
          THE CITY HADN'T MAINTAINED THAT UNTIL, UM, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS A SHORT TIME AFTER I STARTED HERE. 
          SO PROBABLY IN THE LATE TWO THOUSANDS. 
          UM, AND REALLY THE CITY STARTED TO MAINTAIN IT TO DEAL WITH DUST CONTROL. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS A, A DIRT ROAD AND THE CITY STARTED PUTTING A LOT OF EFFORT INTO GRADING AND PUTTING DOWN DUST PALLIATIVE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEN WHEN I BECAME CITY ENGINEER, WHEN DECIDED THAT IT WOULD BE CHEAPER TO PUT A FAST ON IT, AND ONCE WE DID THAT, IT, IT'S BEEN PRETTY STABLE. 
          WE HAVEN'T HAD THE DUST ISSUES. 
          WE'VE HAD TO MAINTAIN IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          BUT, UM, THAT'S HOW THAT SORT OF EVOLVED INTO THE CITY MAINTAINING IT. 
          BUT I THINK WE WERE OF THE MIND THAT WE THOUGHT CITIES SHOULD BE MAINTAINING THEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          I THINK THAT WAS THE GENERAL DIRECTION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND LOOKING AT FROM A, FROM A BIG PICTURE STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A A TON OF STREETS. 
          I THINK WHEN WE STARTED INVESTIGATING THIS, WE DIDN'T FULLY KNOW, YOU KNOW, WAS THIS GONNA BE A LARGE NUMBER OR A SMALL NUMBER OF STREETS? AND IT TURNED OUT IT WAS A RELATIVELY SMALL 
          [07:25:01]
NUMBER. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE GENERAL DIRECTION IS LOOK AT WHAT IS IT GONNA TAKE TAKE TO, UH, UPGRADE SOME OF THESE STREETS. 
          AND SO YOU'RE NOT PLANNING THAT FOR 27? YES. 
          YOU ARE OR YOU'RE NOT? WE ARE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          STARTING WITH GOOD ROW. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. 
          WE CAN MOVE INTO TOMORROW'S AGENDA IF YOU WANT. 
          LET'S DO IT. 
          . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE WILL, IT, WE CAN MOVE INTO TOMORROW'S AGENDA. 
          'CAUSE CITY DEBT IS PART OF TOMORROW. 
          WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          GO TO FIVE O'CLOCK, 30 MINUTES. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO 
          [3.m. City Debt: Coverage, Capacity and Comparisons]
HERE'S OUR OUTSTANDING DEBT. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE PRINCIPLE IS AND WHEN IT'S PAID OFF. 
          AND THEN THIS IS OUR PLEDGED REVENUE COVERAGE. 
          SO THIS IS WHERE WE LOOK AT LIKE HOW MUCH REVENUE, WHICH IS OUR PLEDGED EXCISE TAX REVENUE VERSUS THE PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST. 
          WHAT'S THE COVERAGE? AND IT SHOULD BE 1.5 TIMES PER DEBT COVENANTS. 
          SO IF OUR TOTAL, YOU KNOW, INTEREST AND AND PRINCIPLE IS 5.2 MILLION, OUR COVERAGE IS ABOUT 8.2 TIMES. 
          HOWEVER, WE ARE USING THAT EXCISE TAX FOR OTHER THINGS. 
          IT'S NOT AS IF THAT MONEY ISN'T, ISN'T ALSO BEING SPENT FOR OPERATIONS BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF OUR MAIN SOURCES OF REVENUE. 
          SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK MORE AT WHAT ARE OUR SURPLUSES OVER TIME. 
          AND THAT TELLS US MORE OF WHAT OUR ACTUAL COVER COVERAGE, LIKE OUR AVAILABLE UM, CAPACITY IS. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? YEAH. 
          SO WHILE IT'S, WHILE WE HAVE THESE SUPER HIGH COVERAGE NUMBERS, LIKE GOING AS HIGH AS 11.64, AS SOME OF OUR DEBT SERVICE FALL FALLS OFF, WE'RE NEVERTHELESS GONNA SEE OPERATIONAL GROWTH. 
          AND I WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO SAY WE REALISTICALLY TODAY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO APPROXIMATELY DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF DEBT WE HAVE AT THE 5.2. 
          WE COULD EASILY COVER DOUBLE THAT WITH THE SURPLUSES WE HAVE. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO DO TO ASSUME THAT ALL OF OUR DEBT SHOULD BE EXCISE TAX COVERED. 
          BUT WE DO HAVE CAPACITY TO ISSUE MORE EXCISE TAX DEBT IF, IF THE CITY NEEDS TO, I THINK OVER TIME WE WOULD BE BETTER SHIFTING WASTEWATER DEBT TO WASTEWATER. 
          AND ALSO PART OF THESE EXCISE TAX PART OF THIS IS THE PARKING GARAGE, WHICH WILL BE PAID BY THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          SO THEN THAT TAKES, THAT OPENS UP MORE CAPACITY FOR US AS WELL. 
          SO WE DO HAVE PLENTY OF CAPACITY PROBABLY FOR WHAT'S OUR CURRENT, HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE CURRENTLY? LEMME GO UP ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE 54 MILLION. 
          WE PROBABLY HAVE CAPACITY FOR ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION IN EXCISE TAX DEBT. 
          UM, HOWEVER I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S PALATABLE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO HAVE ROOM TO GROW. 
          AND THE REALITY IS WE WILL HAVE OTHER SOURCES OF REVENUE THAT CAN COVER DEBT. 
          OKAY. 
          I WANNA UNDERSTAND THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          SO WHEN YOU SAY WOULDN'T BE COVERED BY X, UH, I'M GONNA PICK ON WASTEWATER. 
          WASTEWATER. 
          THE BONDS WOULD BE ISSUED AGAINST WHAT? WASTEWATER REVENUES S RATE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE RATE REVENUE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE. 
          AND IN ORDER TO ISSUE DEBT AGAINST FUTURE RATES, COUNCIL BASICALLY HAS TO ADOPT A PLAN THAT SAYS HERE, HERE ARE WHAT OUR RATES ARE TODAY. 
          HERE ARE THE PROPOSED INCREASES AND THE REVENUE THAT THAT'S GONNA BRING IN THAT CAN THEN COVER THIS DEBT. 
          AND THEN THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN GO TO THE MARKET AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO. 
          AND THEY RATE YOUR DEBT AND ALL THAT. 
          IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE, I WOULD SAY WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO ISSUE SOME TAX REVENUE DEBT BECAUSE WE HAVE NO HISTORY WITHIN WASTEWATER OF LIKE, HERE'S THE RATES AND HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. 
          ONCE THAT HISTORY IS KIND OF ESTABLISHED, THEN THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN GO TO THE MARKET AND SAY, LOOK, WE'RE DOING WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GONNA DO AFTER THIS RATE STUDY. 
          WE ADOPTED THESE RATES, WE'VE NOW GOT CAPACITY FOR DEBT. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN, YOU CAN SORT OF MOVE AWAY FROM USING TAX REVENUES 
          [07:30:01]
TO FUND THAT DEBT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT I WANNA CLARIFY, BARBARA, AS LONG AS WE ARE SUBSIDIZING WASTEWATER, ARE WE ABLE TO ISSUE DEBT? DOESN'T SEEM LIKE YOU'D BE ABLE TO, IT IS, IT WOULD BE RATED LOWER. 
          IT WOULD REQUIRE A LOT MORE INSURANCE AND IT WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          SO IN THE SHORT TERM, IT WOULD BE MORE REASONABLE TO ASSUME WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE MORE TAX DEBT TO FUND THE INITIAL INVESTMENTS IN WASTEWATER. 
          AND THEN AS WE SHOW, HEY, THE SUBSIDY IS DECREASING, RATES ARE NOW, YOU KNOW, STARTING TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE BASED ON THE DEBT THAT WE ANTICIPATE ISSUING AND THE IMPROVEMENTS AND ALL THESE THINGS, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ISSUE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ZERO, BUT I WOULD SAY TRYING TO ISSUE DEBT AS SOON AS YOU ADOPT A PLAN WOULD BE CHALLENGING AND EXPENSIVE. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE RISK. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE, THAT'S KINDA RISKY. 
          LIKE WE DON'T, WE DON'T SHOW A HISTORY OF, YOU KNOW, THIS. 
          SO, BUT GOING BACK TO THE WASTEWATER FOR NEXT YEAR, OOPS. 
          WE HAVE, WELL, FOR FY 27 WE HAVE 9.2 MILLION. 
          OH YES. 
          FOR CIP IS THAT GOING TO BE CASH THEN? THAT'S, THAT'S ASSUMED TO BE CASH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY TAX REV TAX BOND BONDING, LET'S SAY NOT IMMEDIATE FOR NOT IMMEDIATELY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULD, MY RECOMMENDATION, AND I MEAN THIS OBVIOUSLY COULD CHANGE ONCE THE RATE STUDY IS COMPLETE BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE LIKE, WOW. 
          UM, I WOULD SAY THAT WE WILL NEED TO ISSUE EXCISE TAX REVENUE DEBT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 28, 29, THOSE YEARS THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO HIGHER AMOUNTS IN THE CIP. 
          AND THEN WE CAN, ONCE WE START TO HAVE THOSE RATES IN PLACE OVER TIME, THAT'S WHEN WE COULD ISSUE ACTUAL REVENUE BASED DEBT BASED ON THE RATES IN THE WASTEWATER FUND. 
          BECAUSE THAT'LL BE PART OF THE ASSUMPTION OVER TIME THAT, THAT THE RATE STUDY WILL DO IS THEY WILL SAY, WE ASSUME THESE RATES AND WE ASSUME YOU'RE GONNA TAKE ON THIS MUCH DEBT HERE AND THIS MUCH DEBT HERE, YOU KNOW, OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS TO COVER THESE PROJECTS. 
          SO WHAT IS IN THE BUDGET 
          [3.n. Budgetary Changes from FY26 to FY27 i. Personnel Assumptions]
FOR, GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          WHAT IS IN THE BUDGET FOR THE BREWER ROUNDABOUT AND FOR THE, UH, FOR THE ROUNDABOUT? THE NEW ROUNDABOUT? WELL, THEY'RE BOTH NEW ROUNDABOUTS, THE FOREST ROAD, THE SCHEDULE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          WELL, WHAT'S IN 27 FOR THOSE? BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO GET GRANTS, RIGHT? IF WE DON'T GET GRANTS, ARE WE LOOKING AT TAPPING THE GENERAL FUND OR WHAT ARE WE DOING AND HOW DOES THAT FIT WITH WASTEWATER? 'CAUSE THEY'RE BIG NUMBERS, ALL OF THEM. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          AND THIS SUMMER WE SHOULD BE HEARING WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE SUCCESSFUL ON THOSE GRANTS. 
          SOME OF THESE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, BREWER RANGER, WE HAVE TO UNFORTUNATELY PRE-BUDGET, UM, FOR THE CITY MATCH ON THAT. 
          UH, IF, IF WE DO GET AWARDED THE GRANT, TYPICALLY ADOT REQUIRES THAT WE PREPAY IN THE CITY MATCH, WHICH IS A HUGE PAIN IN THE BUTT, BUT IT'S THEIR PROCESS. 
          UM, BUT DIRECTLY TO YOUR QUESTION, UH, WE WILL IN FY 27 FIND OUT IF WE'RE AWARDED OR NOT, AND THEN WE'LL NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION ON DO WE, DO WE TRY TO BUDGET, YOU KNOW, FULL FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT THROUGH CITY FUNDS OR WHAT, WHAT FUNDING SOURCE DO WE LOOK AT FOR THAT? RIGHT. 
          IN 27 OR 28? SO WELL, WELL, WE'LL WE'LL KNOW IN 27, RIGHT? BUT, BUT YES, TO YOUR POINT, DO WE SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA DO THIS IN 28 WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE? YES. 
          SO WE MAY HAVE, IF WE DECIDE THAT WE'RE, IT'S A HIGHER PRIORITY TO, IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANTS AND WE DECIDE IT'S A HIGHER PRIORITY, THEN SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE DELAYED VERY LIKELY. 
          YEAH. 
          AS WE GO INTO THE 28 BUDGET, IT'S GONNA MAKE THAT VERY INTERESTING. 
          YEAH. 
          HOW WE BUDGET THINGS. 
          LISTEN, SO I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THAT PROJECT. 
          [07:35:01]
IT'S PW 40, UM, AND FOR 27, IF WE GET THE GRANT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, UH, 1.78 MILLION. 
          THAT'S FOR THE MATCH. 
          THAT'S IF WE GET THE GRANT. 
          IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT, IT'S ALMOST 6 MILLION MM-HMM . 
          WELL, RIGHT. 
          SO JUST TO BE AWARE. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR IN FISCAL YEAR 28, IT'S, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ESTIMATING, UM, 7.1 MILLION ON TOP OF THE 6 MILLION FROM THE YEAR BEFORE. 
          THAT'S WHERE I SEE THIS, BUT WE'RE LOOKING NO, IT'S, IT'S THE RANGER ROAD BREWER ROAD ROUNDABOUT AND THE EXTENSION AND ALL THE SIM IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SEE HERE, IT'S SAYS SIM FIVE D WELL, THE PAGE I THINK IS IN PUBLIC WORKS. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S PW 40 INSIDE THE BOOK. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE PROJECT IS SIM OH FIVE D. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IT SHOWS AN AMOUNT IN 27 AND THEN ANOTHER AMOUNT IN 28, AND THEN THE PROJECT TOTAL IS, UH, 8.9 MILLION. 
          BUT THAT'S WITH THE ASSUMPTION WE GET THE GRANT. 
          AND IF YOU DON'T GET THE GRANT, THEN YOU'RE PAYING ANOTHER ALMOST 4 MILLION. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I THINK THAT 7 MILLION IS A PLACEHOLDER IN CASE WE DON'T GET THE GRANT. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SAY THAT AGAIN. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          THAT'S OFF. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF, IF THE CITY IS AWARDED THE GRANT FOR SIM FIVE D, THEN THAT $7 MILLION FIGURE GETS CUT WAY DOWN. 
          SO THERE IS A PLACEHOLDER IN HERE FOR 28 JUST TO ACCOUNT FOR IF THE CITY'S NOT AWARDED THAT GRANT FOR 28. 
          FOR 28, CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IF IT'S DESIGN IS ALL DONE IN 27 RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT RANK RACKING AND STACKING YEP. 
          RIGHT. 
          TO KEEP A DESIGN ON THE SHELF FOR A YEAR. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT OR WE DIP INTO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND AND DELAY SOMETHING ELSE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          WHICH MAY MAKE MORE SENSE, BUT IT'LL BE A GOOD DISCUSSION IN THE, AT THE TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BUDGET THE ADDITIONAL MONEY, BUT I THINK WE, WE'D HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE MIGHT NOT DO IF WE CHOOSE TO DO THAT AND WE DON'T GET THE GRANT FUNDING. 
          IF, IF I, IF I CAN ADD, I THINK WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, WE'VE APPLIED FOR THREE DIFFERENT GRANTS, RIGHT. 
          THE STATE GRANTS AND TWO FEDERAL AND FOR BOTH ROUNDABOUTS. 
          AND WHEN WE GET ONE, THEN USUALLY GRANTS FOLLOW OTHERS. 
          SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO BE IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION THIS SUMMER ON FINDING OUT. 
          BUT THEY'RE VERY RISKY. 
          ONE IS CONGRESSIONAL . 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF STIPULATIONS. 
          HIGH RISK. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF STIPULATIONS BECAUSE THEY, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW FEDERAL STANDARDS FOR THOSE AS WELL. 
          THE GOOD THING IS, IS WE'VE, UH, MOSTLY DONE THE NEPA. 
          UM, WE HAVE OUR FLOOD PLANE OR FEMA, FLOOD PLAIN ALL, SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALL SET UP AND THE DRAWINGS WE'RE DONE DESIGN, IT'S REALLY JUST FINISHING UP THE EASEMENT. 
          SO WE'RE MEETING THE CRITERIA FOR THOSE GRANTS. 
          IT'S JUST WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S A VERY TURBULENT TIME. 
          SO, AND THE SAME WITH THE STATE BUDGET THAT HAS A HUGE HOLE. 
          IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS FOR THE REGIONAL PROJECT PRIORITIES LIST. 
          AND WE WERE RANKED TWO AND THREE OUT OF ALL OF NORTHERN ARIZONA FOR SIM FIVE E, THE 89 A RANGER, UH, FOREST EXTENSION ROUND. 
          WELL, ONCE WE FIND OUT WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE, THE GRANT AWARDS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DEBRIEF WITH NACOG AND FIND OUT WHAT WENT WELL, WHAT DIDN'T. 
          AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA THAT WE CAN REPORT, REPORT BACK ON AS FAR AS WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE IF WE WANT TO KEEP TRYING TO PURSUE THIS OR NOT. 
          SO, BECAUSE I, I HEAR YOUR POINT. 
          I I THINK IT'S, IT'S A GOOD ONE. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH THE ADOT LEADERSHIP, UM, ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA MANAGE THIS, WHAT ALL THOSE POINTS. 
          AND SO THEY'RE REALLY WELL AWARE OF WE'RE APPLYING FOR, UH, FEDERAL GRANTS. 
          ARE THEY GONNA ADMINISTER? ARE WE ARE, IS IT GONNA BE A COMBINATION OF THEREOF? SO, UM, A LOT OF THINGS ARE IN THE PROCESS. 
          SURE. 
          YOU HAVE QUESTION. 
          UM, SO I'M GOING BACK TO MY, ARE THESE ALL OF THE PRIORITIES FOR FISCAL 27 OR ARE THESE JUST THE PRIORITY ONES AND TWOS? UM, BECAUSE SOMETHING THAT'S A PRIORITY TO OR BELOW SUGGESTS TO ME THAT IT'S AN AUTOMATIC CANDIDATE FOR GETTING IT'S IN THE FOLDER MOVED OUT. 
          UM, AND I BELIEVE STERLING, THOSE ARE ALL THE FUNDED, UH, PROJECTS FOR 27. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS ON THAT SLIDE, CORRECT? YES. 
          YEAH, 
          [07:40:02]
ALL THE FUNDED ONES. 
          ME, IT DOESN'T BREAK OUT BETWEEN PRIORITY, IT'S, IT'S ALL PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED. 
          SO ALL PRIORITIES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU THINK BACK TO THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN WE HAD THE SUMMARY SLIDE ABOUT THE BEGINNING FUND BALANCE, THE CURRENT YEAR REVENUES, CURRENT YEAR EXPENSES, WE HAD 10 MILLION AND THEN WE HAD 33 MILLION OF REQUESTS FOR CIP PROJECTS. 
          THAT'S THIS LIST. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING IF TO TO SEE JUST A TOTAL FOR THE PRIORITY ONES, THE PRIORITY TWOS, THE PRIORITY THREES TOTAL JUST FOR FISCAL 27. 
          ISN'T THAT THIS RIGHT HERE? YEAH, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP. 
          I'M GONNA MOVE AND LET STERLING DRIVE THIS BECAUSE THIS IS THE CIP PRIORITY RANKING AND HE CAN DRIVE AN EXCEL SHEET A LOT BETTER. 
          , TELL ME WHAT PAGE THAT IS. 
          'CAUSE IT'S VERY SMALL. 
          THIS SPREADSHEET. 
          THIS WASN'T INCLUDED IN ANY OF YOUR MATERIAL. 
          UM, THIS IS LIKE HIS LIVE SPREADSHEET. 
          YEAH, BUT WE CAN FILTER THIS BY PRIORITY. 
          SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, SORTING A TO Z. 
          SO I COULD JUST DO A QUICK SUM OF OUR PRIORITY ONE. 
          SO THAT TOTAL AMOUNT IS 20,000,942. 
          AND THE NEXT IS OUR PRIORITY TWO, WHICH IS GET THAT ONE IS 12.7 MILLION, AND THEN OUR PRIORITY THREE IS 375,000 AND NOTHING IN THE PRIORITY FOUR CATEGORY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I I CAN REPEAT THOSE NUMBERS IF YOU NEED THEM AGAIN. 
          AND WE CAN ALSO ZOOM IN IF YOU WANT, SEE SPECIFIC. 
          SO WHAT WAS THE PRIORITY ONE'S NUMBER? YEAH, PULL THAT AGAIN. 
          20.9. 
          8.9. 
          20.9 0.9. 
          LIKE PEN FOR A PEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND BARBARA IN THE DELIBERATIONS TOMORROW AFTERNOON THEY'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE DIRECTION ON WHAT YOU WANT IN THE CIP. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE, WHAT WE CAN DO IS PRINT THESE OUT MUCH BIGGER SO THAT YOU CAN SEE ALL THE PRIORITY ONES ON. 
          LIKE WE CAN DO THE BIG PAPER SO I COULD ACTUALLY READ IT, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL PRETEND THAT YOU'RE ALL AS BLIND AS I AM . 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN REALLY NEXT ON OUR, OKAY, THAT WAS WEIRD. 
          I PROMISE I BARELY TOUCHED ANYTHING. 
          UM, THAT WAS REALLY ALL WE HAVE AS FAR AS PRESENTATION. 
          THE NEXT NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS ACTUALLY STARTING SORT OF DELIBERATIONS IN THE MORNING TO 
          [3.o. Review of Decision Packages and Community Service Provider Contracts]
TALK ABOUT, WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT CIP, WE CAN GET INTO ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS, THE DECISION PACKAGES, THE COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDERS, AND THEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL COUNCIL INITIATIVES AND USE OF THAT 5.5 MILLION IN SURPLUS. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO HERE'S AN INFLECTION POINT. 
          IT'S 10 TO FIVE. 
          DO YOU WANNA START MAKING DECISIONS OR YOU WANNA THINK ABOUT IT OVERNIGHT? LET'S WAIT BECAUSE PETE AS WELL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WE'LL JUST WAIT TOMORROW HOPEFULLY. 
          YES. 
          COUNCILOR FURMAN DID ASK FOR THE TEAM'S LINK FOR TOMORROW, WHICH JOANNA SENT TO HIM. 
          SO THAT'S A GOOD INDICATOR. 
          AND I KNOW HE DID LET ME KNOW THAT HE HAD THOUGHTS TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL OR BE A PART OF THE DELIBERATIONS. 
          YES. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT TOMORROW? YEAH. 
          WE'VE GOT, UH, TWO SCHOOL BOARDS COMING IN TOMORROW. 
          UM, I KNOW WE LET STAFF WAIT HOURS AND HOURS. 
          UH, DO WE WANNA LET THEM KNOW LIKE, HEY, AT 1140, LIKE IT'S ESTIMATED 
          [07:45:01]
HERE THAT WE WILL, WE'LL GO INTO THAT IRRESPECTIVE OF WHERE WE ARE OTHERWISE. 
          SO THEY KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA OF WHEN TO GET HERE. 
          IS THAT FAIR? NOT FAIR? NO, THAT'S FAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SAY THAT AGAIN. 
          SO I'LL COMMUNICATE IT TO TOM. 
          SO WE'RE SCHEDULED FOR 11:40 AM TOMORROW TO DO COUNCIL AND SCHOOL PARTNERSHIP SLASH INITIATIVES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MY QUESTION TO THE MAYOR WAS WILL WE MAKE THAT LIKE A FIRM STARTING TIME SO THAT THOSE FOLKS AREN'T WAITING AROUND? YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD USE OF OUR 10 MINUTES TO JUST WALK THROUGH THOSE, THAT REPORT THAT YOU GUYS, PETE, YOU MEAN PRESENT? DO YOU MEAN TO HAVE, UM, THE TWO COUNSELORS, UH, SPEAK TO THE MEMO THAT THEY SENT TO YOU? YEAH. 
          AND TO GET YOU READY TO TALK ABOUT IT TOMORROW, RIGHT? SURE. 
          WELL, I WISH I HAD A HARD COPY OF IT WITH ME, BUT I DON'T OH, YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          WE HAVE THE, NO, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MEMO I WROTE. 
          NO, THE MEMO I WROTE THAT CAME FROM FORWARDED TO COUNCIL TODAY. 
          PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN IF SOMEBODY HAS IT. 
          THE MEMO. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          BARBARA, DID YOU GET COPIED ON THE EMAIL? MM-HMM . 
          YES. 
          ARE YOU ABLE TO PULL IT UP? IS THIS THE MEMO? I JUST SAW IT. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          HERE WE GO. 
          CAN YOU SEE THAT? OR YOU WANT ME TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIGGER? THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          , YOU WANT, YOU WANNA PRINT COPIES REAL FAST? OKAY. 
          STERLING'S GONNA PRINT COPIES. 
          DANG. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, WE CAN, MELISSA AND I CAN SPEAK TO WHAT OUR LITTLE PROCESS WAS. 
          SURE. 
          WITHOUT REFERENCING THE, UH, AND WE DO HAVE EACH OF THE ITEMS THAT WE WERE AWARE OF IN HERE LIKE THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST, I JUST REALLY WANNA HOLD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE IN DEPTH DISCUSSION OF THEM TO A TIME WHEN PETE CAN ALSO HEAR WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE DELIBERATION. 
          SO I DON'T WANNA DELIBERATE, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND. 
          NO, I, I I FEEL LIKE I'LL TELL YOU WHERE I'M COMING FROM. 
          OKAY. 
          I FEEL LIKE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO MAKE A DECISION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING IT FIRST. 
          AND YOU CAN REPEAT IT TOMORROW FOR PETE'S BENEFIT, BUT I NEED TO HEAR IT MYSELF. 
          OKAY. 
          I NEED TO THINK THROUGH THINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE THIS WILL BE THE FIRST, I MEAN, THIS IS A BIG ASK FOR SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND COULD BE A LITTLE AWKWARD, SO I'D JUST LIKE TO GO THROUGH IT. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MEMO WENT, BUT, UM, THERE WERE TWO OF US AND KURT WAS THERE. 
          UH, WE, WE MET WITH KURT BEFORE ANY PUBLIC MEETINGS TO UNDERSTAND THE PARAMETERS, WHICH HE'S OUTLAWED IN HIS OWN MEMO. 
          UM, WHAT WE CAME AWAY WITH WAS ANYTHING THAT THE CITY CAN DO AND DOES DO AS A SERVICE COULD BE EXTENDED TO THE SCHOOLS, UM, PARTIC AND ESPECIALLY IF THINGS WERE OPEN TO ALL, ALL STUDENTS REGARDLESS OF SCHOOLING, WHETHER IT WAS OPEN TO HOMESCHOOL, UM, RUNNING RIVER PRIVATE SCHOOLS OR, OR THESE, UH, THE DISTRICT OR THE CHARTER SCHOOL. 
          SO THAT WAS SORT OF OUR FRAMEWORK. 
          THERE WERE STILL A LOT OF, UM, QUESTIONABLE, WELL, DOES THIS FIT, DOES THAT FIT? AND WE ACTUALLY JUST SORT OF SPITBALLED IDEAS BEFORE WE EVEN MET WITH THE DISTRICT OR THE CHARTER ANTICIPATING WHAT THEY MIGHT SUGGEST OR, AND YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME KIND OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AHEAD OF TIME. 
          SO WE SORT OF CONSIDERED AND FAIRLY QUICKLY REJECTED A NUMBER OF THINGS SUCH AS OVERALL TRANSPORTATION. 
          YES, WE HAVE A TRANSPORTATION PROB PROGRAM, A TRANSIT PROGRAM, BUT IN GENERAL, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO, WE'RE NOT GONNA SUPPLANT THE SCHOOL BUS, SCHOOL BUSES AT THE DISTRICT. 
          POSSIBLY THERE COULD BE SOME USE OF, UH, ON DEMAND FOR AFTERSCHOOL TUTORING OR SMALL PROGRAMS WHERE KIDS NEED TO GET HOME. 
          UM, BUT 
          [07:50:02]
THAT WAS A PROGRAM OVERALL THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERED AND REJECTED. 
          WE HAD BRIEF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PUBLIC HEALTH NURSES. 
          MAYBE THEY, UM, HAVE A, MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC HEALTH NURSE, MAYBE THEY HAVE A VACANCY. 
          MAYBE THAT'S A GAP WE COULD FILL. 
          BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT WHEN KURT LOOKED INTO IT, IT WAS MORE OF A, IT WAS A COUNTY, UM, UH, AUTHORITY. 
          AND SO WE'D HAVE TO CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT, NOT EVEN KNOWING IF THERE WAS A DEMAND FOR IT. 
          BUT, SO WE SORT OF REJECTED THAT ONE, UM, SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM. 
          IS THERE SOMETHING WE COULD DO ABOUT THAT? MAYBE THEY'RE GONNA COME IN AND ASK US ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT IT'S BASICALLY FEDERALLY FUNDED AND, UH, WE DON'T REALLY, WE DON'T REALLY DO LUNCHES. 
          THE CITY DOESN'T PROVIDE THAT. 
          SO THAT ONE WENT AWAY. 
          UM, ANOTHER ONE WE CAME UP WITH THOUGH, WHICH TURNED OUT TO BE LIKE-MINDED, UH, THE DISTRICT WAS ALSO THINKING ABOUT IT WAS, UM, WE HAVE MAINTENANCE STAFF, WE HAVE LANDSCAPING STAFF. 
          MIGHT THEY HAVE NEEDS IN THAT AREA THAT WE COULD PARTNER WITH, UM, PARTICULARLY IF THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, THOSE FIELDS AND TENNIS COURTS AND WHATEVER WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, UM, ON A AND A. 
          AND IT TURNS OUT WHEN WE SPOKE TO 'EM, THEY DO OPEN THEM, OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC. 
          I'M NOT SURE IN, IN AS WIDE A WAY AS WE WOULD ANTICIPATE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKED LIKE THAT MIGHT BE, UM, SOME COMMON GROUND THERE. 
          ANOTHER ONE WAS, UM, THE WILDCAT PROGRAM, THEIR AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DISTRICT NOW. 
          IS THERE SOMETHING WE COULD DO? AND WE SAID, WELL, OR KURT SAID, IF IT'S A PARKS AND RECS PROGRAM, THEREFORE AVAILABLE TO ALL STUDENTS AGAIN, THEN THAT'S MAYBE SOMETHING WE COULD DO. 
          FIRST WE THOUGHT WE'LL TAKE OVER THE PROGRAM, BUT IT TURNS OUT THE DISTRICT DOESN'T REALLY WANT US TO TAKE OVER THE PROGRAM FOR THEIR OWN REASONS, BUT TO PERHAPS SUPPLEMENT IT, UH, WITH SPORTS CAMPS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO PARKS AND RECS WAS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND THEY DID COME BACK WITH A DECISION PACKAGE ON IT. 
          WE ASKED, UM, BOTH THE DISTRICT AND THE CHARTER SCHOOL TO GIVE US AS MUCH OF AN ESTIMATE AS THEY COULD, KNOWING IT WAS A VERY SHORT LEAD TIME. 
          AND WE GOT BACK SOME NUMBERS, UM, FROM BOTH OF THEM, UM, WHICH REALLY HAD NOT BEEN VETTED AT ALL. 
          SO WE, THEY'RE IN THERE IN THIS MEMO, BUT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN VETTED. 
          AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT NOT HAVING REALLY READ THE DECISION PACKAGES CLOSELY, SINCE WE JUST SAW THOSE THIS MORNING, UM, CITY STAFF HAS LOOKED AT THOSE AND MADE THEIR OWN ASSESSMENT AND, AND SO WE'D HAVE TO COMPARE THE NUMBERS. 
          I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE NUMBERS COMPARE. 
          WE DID THE SAME THING WITH THE CHARTER SCHOOL, UM, AND THE DIRECTOR SAT IN ON THE FIRST MEETING. 
          SO SHE HAD THE BENEFIT OF HEARING ALL OF THAT IN THE BE A WEEK EARLIER. 
          AND SHE CAME IN WITH SOME REALLY INTERESTING, UH, NEEDS, WHICH WE HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT. 
          AND SOME OF 'EM, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'VE GOT TWO, THEY'VE GOT A TINY HOME AND A SOMETHING ELSE, SOME OTHER KIND OF HOME ON CAMPUS THAT NEED ARE IN NEED OF SOME KIND OF REPAIRS. 
          IT WAS A SMALL ASK IN TERMS OF DOLLARS, BUT IS IT SOMETHING WE COULD REALLY DO ANYTHING ABOUT? HMM. 
          DIDN'T LOOK LIKE IT, BUT, UM, WE THOUGHT ABOUT CDBG GRANTS DIRECTING THEM TO THAT. 
          THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A QUICK INQUIRY INTO THAT. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT NOT QUALIFY BECAUSE OF INCOME ZONES AND THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE SCHOOL AND SO FORTH. 
          BUT, UM, SO WE TRIED PARTICULARLY WITH THE CHARTER SCHOOL TO SUGGEST SOME OTHER FUND SOURCES THAT THEY MIGHT, UM, APPROACH. 
          UH, A COUPLE OF, A COUPLE OF 'EM MAY SHOW UP IN THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM APPLICATIONS. 
          UM, THEY HAD, THEY HAVE A PACK, NOT A SPAC, BUT A PACK, WHICH IS A CLASSROOM FOR PERFORMING ARTS AND IT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          THEY GAVE US EXAMPLES OF HOW IT'S BEEN BEEN USED WITHIN THE CITY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, UM, AT THE CHARTER SCHOOL. 
          AT THE CHARTER SCHOOL, MM-HMM . 
          FOR THEATRICAL PRODUCTIONS, FOR FILMING FOR THIS AND FOR THAT. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          THAT PART ALIGNED. 
          UM, AND THEY'VE GOT LIGHTING, BUT SOMEHOW THE LIGHTING IS NOT WORKING AND IT COULDN'T 
          [07:55:01]
REALLY TELL, I'M NOT SURE THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S NOT WORKING. 
          IF IT'S AN INTERFACE WITH AN APP, IF IT'S A SOFTWARE ISSUE, IF IT'S A ELECTRICAL ISSUE THAT THERE WAS NO ESTIMATE FOR IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW BIG THE PROBLEM IS. 
          BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE BECAUSE IT WAS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC USE, IT MIGHT BE A CANDIDATE. 
          SO OKAY. 
          IT'S THERE WITHOUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          WELL, IT WAS IN OUR MEMO. 
          IT'S NOT ACTUALLY IN THE DECISION PACKAGE, BUT I, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS AN OBJECTION TO IT FROM LEGAL. 
          THE OTHER THING FROM THE CHARTER SCHOOL, SURPRISINGLY ENOUGH, WAS A PIECE OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT THAT, UH, PLAYGROUND IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ON AFTER SCHOOL AND ON WEEKENDS. 
          SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS GOOD. 
          MET THAT CRITERIA. 
          UM, AND THEIR ESTIMATE, I GUESS THEY'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF LOOKING INTO IT, WAS, UM, AND IT'S SOME SORT OF CLIMBING STRUCTURE. 
          WE HAVE A PICTURE, IS THAT REALLY WHAT THEY WANT? ANYWAY, 20,000 IS WHAT THEY SUGGESTED TO US, AND THAT'S MORPHED INTO 23 SOMEHOW. 
          BUT, UM, SO THEY REALLY ONLY HAD TWO THINGS THAT MIGHT BE DECISION PACKAGES, THE PLAYGROUND CLIMBER AND THE, THE FIX FOR THE LIGHTING. 
          THE OTHER THINGS MAY SHOW UP IN A, UH, SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM. 
          AND THEN FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, IT WAS QUITE A BIG ASK IN, UH, TRYING TO BRING DIFFERENT FIELDS UP TO, UH, PLAYABLE STANDARDS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THEY TALKING ABOUT FENCING AND, UM, ALL KINDS OF RESURFACING. 
          THE TENNIS COURTS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          IT'S A MUCH BIGGER DOLLAR AMOUNT. 
          THEY HAD, BOTH OF THEM HAD SOME IDEAS ABOUT MARKETING AND PIGGYBACKING ON THE CITY'S MARKETING PROGRAM, TOURISM PROGRAM IN SOME WAY. 
          THERE WAS NO DOLLAR ESTIMATE TO THAT. 
          AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE FURTHER, FURTHER INVESTIGATION. 
          SO IT DOESN'T APPEAR AS A DECISION PACKAGE, IT JUST, IT'S A COMMENT. 
          WHAT ELSE MELISSA DID WE TALK ABOUT WITH THEM? I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT OUR CONVERSATIONS CAME UP WITH, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO MATCH AS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COULD DO, UM, SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO DO IT. 
          UM, AND THE MARKETING ONE ALSO INVOLVED THE TOURISM BUREAU. 
          LIKE, UM, THE CHARTER SCHOOL DIRECTOR SAID THAT THEY GET PEOPLE COMING IN WHEN THEY'RE VISITING AND THEY'LL COME AND DO TOURS OF THE SCHOOL TO SEE WHAT KIND OF THE SCHOOL IT IS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO TO ME, THAT'S LIKE SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DOING ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          LIKE THERE'S GREAT SCHOOLS IN SEDONA AND YOU KNOW, THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE TOURISM BUREAU MAY WANNA SORT OF PLAY ON IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT JUST A GREAT PLACE TO VISIT, BUT ONCE YOU'RE HERE, YOU MAY WANNA STAY KIND OF THING. 
          WHICH WE KIND OF AIM AT A LITTLE BIT THAT THERE ARE THESE FACILITIES SORT OF ALREADY THERE. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THEY MEANT BY SORT OF THE CROSS MARKETING, BECAUSE THEY ARE SEEING THAT HAPPEN, AT LEAST AT THE CHARTER SCHOOL WITH, WITH PEOPLE COMING IN, VISITING AND THEN WANTING TO SEE THE SCHOOLS WITH THEIR KIDS IN TOW. 
          SO, UM, I, I THINK IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION AND SOCIO DIVERSIFICATION, THIS IS ONE WAY TO SORT OF SHOW PEOPLE THAT WE DO HAVE SOMETHING FOR FAMILIES THAT'S, THAT'S INTERESTING. 
          INSTEAD OF US ALWAYS THINKING, OH, ALL THE NUMBERS IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL ARE GOING DOWN, WE NEED TO START TO THINK ABOUT THINGS SORT OF SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY. 
          SO, UM, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING. 
          WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT, UM, AS FAR AS WHAT THAT WOULD COST OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW, WE JUST LEAVE THAT TO YOU GUYS TO FIGURE OUT. 
          AND MAYOR ONE, UH, THOUGHT THAT I HAD AND TALKED TO LAUREN ABOUT BRIEFLY THAT I WOULD JUST THROW OUT FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT FOR TOMORROW IF YOU WANTED TO GO DOWN THIS PATH, IS THAT IF YOU IDENTIFY THINGS YOU'RE INTERESTED IN POSSIBLY FUNDING FOR NON-CITY, FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE COULD DO A MINI BUDGET SURVEY BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN YOU DO THE TENTATIVE BUDGET IN MAY. 
          UM, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT, WE DIDN'T DO A PREBUDGET PROCESS SURVEY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS OR ANYTHING TO PUT ON THERE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S AN OPTION IF YOU WANTED, UM, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION TOMORROW, UH, 
          [08:00:01]
BETWEEN TOMORROW AND, UM, THE END OF MAY. 
          SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          SO, SO LAUREN, YOU REPRESENT TOURISM HERE. 
          UH, IS THAT REALLY EVEN A COST ITEM IF YOU WERE TO ADD EDUCATION TO A MARKETING CAMPAIGN THAT YOU ALREADY PLANNED TO DO THERE? SO PART OF A MARKETING CAMPAIGN IS, IS FIGURING OUT WHO YOU'RE TRYING TO REACH. 
          SO MY FIRST QUESTION THAT I WOULD NEED ANSWERED IS, WHO'S ON THE END OF THAT AD? WHO'S RECEIVING THAT? ARE THERE CERTAIN CITIES? WHO AM I TARGETING? AND THEN I CAN KIND OF WORK BACKWARDS AND REVERSE ENGINEER THAT. 
          I WOULD THINK THAT RATHER THAN TAKING, UM, UH, WELL, SO A CAMPAIGN LIKE THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT'S NOT TRYING TO GET THEM TO COME VISIT OUR DESTINATION AND STAY HERE FOR A WEEK AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPE OF THING. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          SO I WOULD THINK THAT, UM, IT'S A DIFFERENT SPEND. 
          I WOULD NOT WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE KIND OF TRUE DESTINATION MARKETING THAT WE'RE DOING. 
          UM, AND I WOULD NEED, I WOULD NEED LOTS OF FLESHING OUT ON WHO THE MARKET IS, WHERE DO THEY LIVE, HOW AM I GONNA GET THAT AD IN FRONT OF THEM? UM, I WOULD ALSO WANNA DO SOME RESEARCH INTO HOW OTHER COMMUNITIES, IF ANYBODY'S DONE THIS. 
          I MEAN, I'VE NEVER GOTTEN AN AD FOR COME LOOK AT HOW INCREDIBLE THIS PLACE IS AND ALSO MOVE HERE AND COME TO THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT TYPE THING. 
          UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE, DO SOME RESEARCH TO SEE WHO HAS AND WHAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GLEAN FROM THAT. 
          I HOPE THAT ANSWERS SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          TRENTON, NEW JERSEY DID A PRO A PROGRAM JUST LIKE THAT ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO OR SO WHERE THEY WERE TRYING, THEY HAD, UH, THEY WERE GETTING NUMBERS DOWN IN THEIR POPULATION AND THEY DID A VERY AGGRESSIVE AD CAMPAIGN TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO MOVE THERE. 
          SO IT, AS I SAID, IT'S LIKE 20 SOMETHING YEARS AGO, BUT IT'S THE ONLY ONE I'VE EVER SEEN ALONG THOSE LINES OF TRYING TO ATTRACT RESIDENTS. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HAS TO NECESSARILY BE AN AD CAMPAIGN, BUT IF SOMEBODY LANDS ON OUR WEBSITE, RIGHT, OUR TOURIST WEBSITE RATHER THAN THE CITY OF SEDONA WEBSITE, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS TO DO FOR KIDS. 
          AND THEN, UM, SOMETHING ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE AN AD CAMPAIGN SO MUCH AS ONCE THEY LAND ON SOMETHING ABOUT SEDONA, INCLUDING OUR CITY WEBSITE, IS THERE SOME WAY OF CONNECTING IN THE FACT THAT THIS IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE, NOT JUST A GREAT PLACE TO VISIT. 
          SO I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS. 
          I'M JUST SAYING I WASN'T REALLY EXPECTING IT TO BE AN AD CAMPAIGN, LIKE A TOURIST AD CAMPAIGN, JUST SOMETHING THAT SHORES UP THE IDEAS ONCE YOU'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN SEDONA. 
          THAT THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THEY WANTED. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. 
          DEREK. 
          I, ONE, I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANOTHER SURVEY. 
          UM OH, OKAY. 
          ON THIS. 
          I JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. 
          I GET IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT I JUST, IT'S JUST ONE MORE THING FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE PAUSE SHOTS AT. 
          UM, AND THE OTHER THING TO ME, MARKETING, I MEAN, LET'S FOCUS ON HELPING THE SCHOOLS GET, YOU KNOW, GET IN BETTER SHAPE. 
          IT WAS THEIR REQUEST, RIGHT? I YEAH, BUT IT'S INTERESTING TO, BUT IT'S OUR POINT TAM. 
          BOTH, BOTH, BOTH GROUPS. 
          NO, I GET THAT. 
          I GET THAT. 
          BUT TO ME THAT'S LIKE THE HOUSING THING. 
          WE SAY, OKAY, WELL WE'RE GONNA IMPROVE OUR HOUSING SITUATION, THEN EVENTUALLY SOME FAMILIES MOVE HERE AND EVENTUALLY THEY'LL BRING SOME KIDS AND THEN THEY'LL, THAT'S THE WAY THE MARKETING FEELS TO ME. 
          LIKE MARKETING TO PEOPLE WHO MAY NEVER HAVE ANY INTEREST IN MOVING HERE FULL TIME. 
          SO LET'S TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE WE HAVE AND EVENTUALLY MAYBE OUR SCHOOL'S REPUTATION IMPROVES AND PEOPLE START SEEING THAT. 
          I WOULD JUST MUCH RATHER SEE THAT MONEY GOING DIRECTLY INTO PROGRAMS. I REALIZE IT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY WE NEED TO DO A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS AND SAY, IS THIS REALLY A GOOD SPIN? I WOULD SAY IT WAS AT THE TAIL END OF THE CONVERSATIONS JUST SORT OF A, AND BY THE WAY, AND I TOOK IT ALMOST MORE AS A COMPLIMENT TO OUR, OUR MARKETING AND OUR TOURISM EFFORTS AND AN AWARENESS THAT WE HAVE SOME EXPERTISE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE AS, AS ANY SPECIFIC IDEAS. 
          BUT I, I THINK THE WAY I WOULD LOOK AT IT IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ADVERTISE THIS AS A GOOD DESTINATION. 
          PEOPLE COME HERE, THEY LIKE IT, THEY SAY, HEY, I WONDER IF WE WANNA LIVE HERE, LET'S CHECK OUT THE SCHOOL. 
          SO LOOK, HEY, THIS SCHOOL'S GOT THIS AND THEY'VE GOT THIS PROGRAM AND THEY'VE GOT THAT AND YOU KNOW, LET'S BOLSTER IT FROM THAT END INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SELL SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY EXIST AT THE MOMENT. 
          [08:05:03]
OKAY. 
          I'M JUST GONNA GO REALLY QUICKLY. 
          A LOT OF THIS IS PARKS AND REC. 
          JOSH, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS AND THINK ABOUT IT AND YES, FOR A GOOD CHUNK OF IT WE HAVE UM, I JUST EMAILED A COUPLE OF YOU A REQUEST THAT I HAD SENT TO SEDONA CHARTER SCHOOL TO CHECK ON THE LIGHTING PORTION OF THAT. 
          AND I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM THEM. 
          I SENT IT THIS MORNING TO THEM JUST BECAUSE ON THE LIGHTING ONE WE DON'T KNOW THE SCALE AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN ESTIMATED COST. 
          WE DO HAVE TWO ELECTRICIANS THAT WORK WITH THE CITY THAT EITHER OF THEM WE COULD SEND OVER TO GO GET A QUOTE AND AN EVALUATION ON THAT. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE A DECISION PACKAGE FOR THAT ONE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE COST OR SCOPE OF THAT. 
          BUT OTHER THAN THAT WE DID GO THROUGH THE OTHER ONES PRETTY THOROUGHLY AND PUT TOGETHER UM, WHAT I THINK WOULD BE A REASONABLE COST ESTIMATE AND DECISION PACKAGE TO GET THOSE DONE. 
          SO JUST IN TERMS OF PROCESS, THESE NUMBERS CAME FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THEMSELVES, LIKE THE 23,000 FOR THE WE HAVE A COMBINATION. 
          WE HAVE A COMBINATION. 
          A COMBINATION, YES. 
          SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SENT OVER QUOTES FOR THINGS THAT THEY ALREADY KNEW ABOUT AND THAT THEY COULDN'T FUND, BUT WE ALSO HAD OUR OWN STAFF COME UP, EXCUSE ME, WITH COSTS. 
          SO, UM, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COMPARE BOTH. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE CHARTER SCHOOL SENT OVER 20,000 FOR THAT PLAY STRUCTURE, BUT WHEN IT APPEARED IN THE DECISION PACKAGE, IT'S NOW 23 AFTER STAFF LOOKED AT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          AND THAT WOULD THE 3000, UM, JUST LOOKING AT SOME COMPARABLE CLIMBING STRUCTURES TO WHAT THEY'D BE LOOKING FOR AND THAT PRICE RANGE JUST FOR AN EXTRA ROOM ON THERE FOR SOME SHIPPING DELIVERY INSTALL COSTS. 
          THAT WOULD BE ON OUR END TOO IF WE WOULD BE DOING THE INSTALLATION OF IT. 
          BUT YES, WE WENT OFF OF THEIR 20,000 AND FOUND ONE OF THAT SCOPE THAT WOULD FIT SIMILAR TO THIS. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THE AFTERSCHOOL EXTRA-CURRICULAR CAMP PROGRAMS. IS THIS YOUR NUMBER OR, OR THEIR NUMBER? YES, THIS WOULD BE OUR NUMBER ON. 
          AND I DID SPEAK WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT TOM SWEARER ON THAT AND ASKED HIM A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS ON IT AND EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, SO I'M NOT PRESENTING IT BLINDLY TO GET WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AND IT REALLY IS SUPPLEMENTING THEIR WILDCAT ACADEMY AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM WITH DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THROUGH SPORTS ARTS, THEATER, YOGA, EVERYTHING ELSE IN THERE. 
          AND SO I JUST PUT IT TOGETHER ON HOW WE COULD DO THAT AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO DO THAT. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE OUR NUMBER CAME FROM IN ORDER TO REALLY MEET WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR AND MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE FOR EVERYONE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'LL BE A GOOD DISCUSSION TOMORROW. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN, UM, SO THE PLAYGROUND IS YOUR NUMBER SCHOOL DISTRICT PARK LANDSCAPING MAINTENANCE THAT YES, THAT'S OUR NUMBER MOSTLY WOULD BE KURT AND RYAN HAYES NUMBER THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER. 
          AND THEN IN THE MEMO THAT YOU RECEIVED FROM, UH, COUNSELORS HOSSEINI AND DUNN, THAT INCLUDED WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THOUGHT THEIR MAINTENANCE OR WHAT THEY KNOW THEIR MAINTENANCE COSTS ARE. 
          SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COMPARE THEIR NUMBER TO OUR ESTIMATE. 
          IS THAT FOR BOTH CAMPUSES? YES. 
          FOR WEST SEDONA AND THE HIGH SCHOOL, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          NOT THE CHARTER SCHOOL. 
          NOT THE CHARTER SCHOOL, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ONE THING TO MAYBE BE THINKING ABOUT FOR TOMORROW IS WHAT IT WOULD BE IF WE DID ONE BUT NOT THE OTHER. 
          CERTAINLY. 
          UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WEST SEDONA IS ALREADY OVER BY POSSE GROUNDS PARK, SO SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE, IF OTHER COUNSELORS DON'T WANNA FUND SOMETHING THAT LARGE, WE COULD LOOK AT, OKAY, WE'LL DO THIS ONE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY OVER BY A PARK THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING. 
          YOU GUYS WILL KEEP TAKING CARE OF THE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          I JUST AN IDEA TO, IF YOU CAN HAVE THAT SPLIT IN YOUR MIND SO THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER COUNSELORS THINK ABOUT THE FUNDING OF THIS, SO YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE COULD DO. 
          SO JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT MOST OF THE FIELDS AND STAFF TENNIS COURTS ARE OVER AT THE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          THEY'RE NOT OVER HERE AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BY POSSE GROUND. 
          THAT'S THE ONE THAT THEY DON'T MAINTAIN THAT JOSH SAYS, YEAH, I'LL TAKE IT IF THEY DON'T WANT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY REALLY TALKED A LOT ABOUT MAINTAINING STUFF AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 
          IT WAS MOSTLY ALL THE STUFF THAT IT WAS OF HIGH VALUE FOR THEM I THOUGHT WAS OVER AT THE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          NOW I'M LOOKING OVER AT CHARLIE. 
          I AGREE. 
          THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION TOO, EXCEPT THAT WEED FILL A LOT, WHICH THEY CORRECT. 
          AREN'T DOING ANYTHING WITH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN THE NEXT IS HIGH SCHOOL SECURITY CONSULTANTS AND THAT'S THE PD. 
          HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO EVALUATE THAT? 
          [08:10:01]
THAT DID NOT COME UP IN OUR DISCUSSIONS AT ALL. 
          SO THAT, OH, THAT WAS JUST, IT'D THAT COME FROM IT? IT DID. 
          IT DID. 
          IT CAME UP AS THE SAFETY FENCING AND WHERE, AND TO INSTALL THE FENCING AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ESTIMATED THEY NEEDED OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IN FENCING. 
          WELL, THAT WAS THEIR SOLUTION. 
          I THINK OUR RESPONSE WAS, WELL, WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A EXPERT LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHERE YOU ACTUALLY NEED FENCING INSTEAD OF JUST PUTTING IN A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          AND WE HAD, SO, UM, COMMANDER PENNER MET WITH TOM AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SHE HAD THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THEN COMMANDER YOUNG HAD WEST SEDONA SCHOOL. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY DID GO OUT TO BOTH LOCATIONS AND THEN JUST DID KIND OF A WALKTHROUGH WITH HIM, BUT ALSO AS A THREAT ASSESSMENT. 
          AND WE HAVE DONE THREAT ASSESSMENTS AT THE HIGH SCHOOL IN THE PAST. 
          AND SO SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN OVER THE YEARS ARE SPECIFIC TO FENCING TO KEEP OUT THE GENERAL PUBLIC. 
          SOME OF IT WAS MOVING A CURRENT GATE THAT THEY HAVE FURTHER UP TO BLOCK THE EMPLOYEE LOT, UM, MAKING THE CAFETERIA MAIN AREA WHERE, WHERE STUDENTS CONGREGATE MORE SAFE. 
          SO, AND, AND THERE'S LANDSCAPE ISSUES IN THERE AS WELL. 
          SO I, I COULD HAVE HER TALK IF YOU HAD, UM, SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC, BUT WE DID GO TO BOTH SITES. 
          ARE THESE YOUR NUMBERS? I THINK THOSE WERE, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          AND THE IDEA OF A CONS OF A HAVING AN AN A THIRD PARTY EXPERT COME IN IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, ANDY AND I TALKED WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE SIX MONTHS AGO. 
          HE WAS ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, COULD THE CITY, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THAT FOR THEM. 
          UM, AND SO IT WAS ON LIKE A SHORT LIST, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO THINK ABOUT. 
          AND THEN WHEN THIS DISCUSSION CAME UP AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL AND YOUR JOINT WORK SESSION, IT CAME UP AGAIN, BUT WITH THE STAFF LEVEL. 
          SO I APOLOGIZE IF IT DIDN'T COME UP IN YOUR SPECIFIC MEETING THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE SUPERINTENDENT HAS ASKED ABOUT IN THE PAST AND THAT'S WHY WE INCLUDED IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I DON'T SEE THE FENCING IN HERE. 
          IS IT, THAT IS IN THE MEMO YOU RECEIVED FROM COUNCILOR HOSSAINI, BUT THERE'S NO DECISION PACKAGE BEFORE US ON THAT, I DON'T THINK. 
          I THINK IT'S A FIST FOR 28. 
          THEY HANDED OUT EXTRA. 
          THESE PACKETS THAT WERE ON YOUR DESK, WELL SEE THEM RIGHT HERE. 
          THEY'RE SUGGESTING IT AS FISCAL 28. 
          HMM. 
          I THINK THEY'RE SUGGESTING IT AS FISCAL 28. 
          WE DID, WE SPLIT OURS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT STANDPOINT. 
          WE SPLIT SOME OF OURS UP OVER WHAT WE WOULD WANNA DO, UM, BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR, THE NEXT YEAR AND POTENTIALLY EVEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO WE'VE WALKED THROUGH EVERYTHING THEN THAT'S GONNA BE DISCUSSED TOMORROW OR THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT TOMORROW. 
          PARDON ME, UH, MADAM MAYOR, THAT KEEGAN LET ME KNOW THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS TOLD THAT YOU ALL WOULD BE DISCUSSING THEIR STUFF TOMORROW AFTERNOON. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA LET THEM KNOW IT'LL BE IN THE MORNING OR IF YOU WANNA JUST DO THEM AFTER LUNCH. 
          UH, AND I DID TELL HIM, BECAUSE ORIGINALLY THIS WAS AT THE END OF THE DAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO CONTACT HIM AND JUST SAY, BE HERE AT 1140 . 
          WELL, IT WAS KIND OF BEFORE AND AFTER LUNCH, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S BOTH, IT'S REALLY BOTH. 
          LIKE THERE'S SORT OF THE, THE START OF IT BEFORE LUNCH AND THE FINISH UP AFTER. 
          WELL, WE COULD THEORETICALLY, SINCE WE'VE COVERED SOME OF THE MORNING, MAYBE EARLIER THAN LATER, YOU COULD, AND YOU KNOW, AS YOU, AS YOU STATED, LIKE YOU CAN ALSO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA PAUSE HERE AND MOVE TO THIS AND COME BACK. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT WAY THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT WAITING. 
          THE OTHER CONSIDERATION IS THAT I BELIEVE THERE IS SCHOOL TOMORROW . 
          SO I THEY MAY HAVE PREFERRED AN AFTERNOON. 
          THEY MIGHT HAVE. 
          I'M NOT SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WHAT DOES AFTERNOON MEAN? BECAUSE I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHAT THEY WERE TOLD. 
          OH, KEEGAN'S NOT IN HERE BECAUSE IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE O'CLOCK AND FOUR O'CLOCK. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE AT FOUR O'CLOCK. 
          YEAH. 
          OPTIMIST AND I HAVE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WHAT THEY'RE TOLD. 
          WHAT IF WE REACH OUT TO THEM AND FIND OUT WHEN THEY CAN BE HERE AND THEN GET IT FIGURED OUT  AND ADJUST THE SCHEDULE SO THEY COULD BE HERE. 
          SO LONG AS IT'S EARLY AFTERNOON. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF IT'S AFTERNOON RIGHT. 
          WITH THE NEW SOUNDS GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 
          [5.  ADJOURNMENT]
I THINK WE'RE ADJOURNED UNTIL EIGHT O'CLOCK TOMORROW MORNING.
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