* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT EIGHT O'CLOCK [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] ON THURSDAY, APRIL 23RD. UM, CAN YOU PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC RICHEST STANCE. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY. I JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE. THANK YOU. WE'RE GONNA PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF YESTERDAY ON OUR SPECIAL BUSINESS. NO PROBLEM. UH, IN THE CITY BUDGET. MAYOR, CAN WE DO THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? OH, THANK YOU. PLEASE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. MAYOR PLU HERE. VICE MAYOR FOLTZ. STILL PRESENT. COUNCILOR DUNN HERE. COUNCILOR FURMAN. EXCUSE. OH, YAY, YOU'RE HERE. COUNCILLOR HOSNI. HERE. COUNCILLOR KINSELLA. PRESENT COUNCILLOR F HERE PHYSICALLY. OKAY. AS I SAID, , WE WILL [3.r. Discussion and direction from Council for the FY2026-27 Operating and Capital Budget] CONTINUE WHERE WE LEFT OFF YESTERDAY WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA, BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 26, 27. AND UH, BARBARA WILL DO THE MUNICIPAL COURT ADMINISTRATION. RIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. UM, WE'RE GONNA START THIS MORNING, UM, REVISITING THE MUNICIPAL COURT BUDGET AND THEIR KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS AND THEIR DECISION PACKAGE. UM, BECAUSE THE JUDGE, JUDGE SPEAR, WHO'S HERE HAS A DOCKET AT NINE. SO, UH, WE APPRECIATE YOU ACCOMMODATING THE SCHEDULE. SO ON THE SCREEN IS THE MUNICIPAL COURT BUDGET, AND JUDGE SPEAR CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. OKAY. UH, DID WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MUNICIPAL COURT OPERATING BUDGET OR THEIR KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS? I GUESS NOBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU, JUDGE SPEAR. SO HOW ABOUT THE DECISION PACKAGE? DO YOU WANNA MAKE YOUR CASE? WELL, I DON'T, I'M I'M TRYING TO AVOID BEING REDUNDANT 'CAUSE I KNOW THE, THE COUNCIL AND I APPRECIATE MAYOR AND COUNCIL THE ATTENTION AND THE EFFORT YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS WHOLE PROCESS. WE HAVE ASKED FOR AN ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, COURT SPECIALIST. WE, I DO BELIEVE IT'S ACTUALLY VERY NECESSARY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WE'VE BEEN USING A TEMP FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN USING THAT LONG. IT'S ONE OF THE CHANGES I'D LIKE TO MAKE, BUT I, TO REPLACE THAT PERSON TO BE MORE EFFICIENT, I, I BELIEVE I'M GONNA NEED TO HAVE THAT COURT SPECIALIST. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE OVERWORKING OF THE STAFF. ONE OF THE HARD PARTS, AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO AVOID BEING REDUNDANT, BUT THERE'S NO REAL METRIC THAT IS USED THROUGHOUT THE STATE AS FAR AS DETERMINING WHAT YOUR STAFFING NEEDS TO BE IN COURTS. THERE'S, IT'S TRYING TO COMPARE APPLES TO ORANGES. SOMETIMES YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIND AN APPLE TO APPLE IN COMPARISON. WE DID LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER COURTS, WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY HAD. WE ARE WOEFULLY UNDERSTAFFED AND IN COMPARISON TO SOME OF THEM, AND WE WOULD ASK THAT WE GET THAT. 'CAUSE I DO THINK IT'S GONNA BE, HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL BODY IS GONNA BE NECESSARY, FRANKLY, TO NOT ONLY KEEP UP WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE STAFF BEING OVERWORKED TO THE POINT WHERE MAYBE WE'RE GONNA LOSE STAFF BECAUSE THEY CAN FIND SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT LESS STRESSFUL SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO, ANNETTE, YOU HAD THIS AS A TIER TWO? YES. MAYOR, EXCUSE ME. AS YOU KNOW, UM, THE COUNSEL PROVIDED THE COURT AN ADDITIONAL COURT SPECIALIST, UH, TWO BUDGETS AGO, I BELIEVE IT WAS. AND, UM, THE ADDITION OF THAT POSITION DID NOT CHANGE THE OVERALL, UH, WORKLOAD OR BACKLOG. IT'S GROWN. UM, AND SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE COURT TO IDENTIFY THOSE ISSUES RELATED TO, UM, THE ACTUAL BUSINESS PROCESS, THINGS LIKE THAT BEFORE ADDING MORE STAFF. BUT OF COURSE THE COUNCIL'S FREE TO, TO MAKE YOUR OWN RECOMMENDATION OR DECISION ON IT. [00:05:01] CHARLOTTE. SO THE TEMPORARY PERSON YOU'RE USING NOW, IS THAT SHOWING UP UNDER, UH, FISCAL 26 SALARY AND STIPENDS, OR IS IT SHOWN AS, UM, OUTSIDE SERVICES OR WHERE I BELIEVE IT WAS AN OUTSIDE SERVICE 'CAUSE I THINK IT WAS, UH, WASN'T PART OF THE ACTUAL STAFFING. UM, IT IS, IT DOES SHOW UP THOUGH UNDER, UM, SALARIES AND STIPENDS AS, UH, TEMPORARY PART-TIME WAGES. OKAY. AND SO WHAT WOULD, IS THIS AMOUNT THAT'S REQUESTED THE NET OF REDUCING THAT OUT AND SUBSTITUTING, UH, A FULL POSITION OR IS, SHOULD THERE BE AN ADJUSTMENT? AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M SEEING IT EXACTLY THE WAY OR HEARING IT THE WAY YOU'RE ASKING IT. UM, WE ARE BACKING OUT THE, WHAT WAS BEING USED FOR THE TEMP, BUT THEN WE'RE ADDING IN THE, THE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE. OKAY. SO IT 71,000 IS THE NET OF THAT'S CORRECT. AND ONE OF THE, THE LARGER COST INCREASE HERE IS, UM, THE CONTRIBUTION TO AS SRS IS, THAT WASN'T ELIGIBLE FOR THE TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE. MM-HMM . OKAY. THANK YOU. CHARLOTTE, ARE YOU DONE? YEAH, BRENT. OKAY. SO IF, IF, IF I UNDERSTOOD THE ANSWER TO THE LAST QUESTION CORRECTLY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT TWO TENTHS OF AN FTE IS AN INCREMENTAL COST OF 71,000. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. IT'S THE BENEFIT PACKAGE BECAUSE IT'S MAKING IT A PERMANENT FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE. THE TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE IS A RETIREE OF A SRS AND SHE, UH, CHOSE TO FOREGO FURTHER A SRS CONTRIBUTIONS, WHICH SHE'S ALLOWED TO DO. UM, AND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD BE CONTRIBUTING IS WHAT MAKES THAT ONGOING 67,000 IF I'M WELL, AND THE HEALTH INSURANCE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT COME WITH A FULL-TIME BENEFITED EMPLOYEE. UM, YEAH, NO, A FULL-TIME BENEFITED EMPLOYEE, UM, IS PROBABLY, WHAT, $35,000 IN EXPENSES, I'M JUST GUESSING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. BUT THERE ARE FIXED EXPENSES RELATED TO THE EMPLOYEE THAT ARE NOT A FACTOR OF THE, UH, WAGE. UM, THE A SRS IS, BUT THE COST OF HEALTH INSURANCE, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE FIXED. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT. HOW MUCH ARE WE PAYING THE TEMP RIGHT NOW? $30 AN HOUR. AND ARE THEY WORKING FULL-TIME? SHE WORKS APPROXIMATELY 17 TO 1800 HOURS A YEAR. A LITTLE LESS THIS YEAR SINCE JUDGE SPEAR'S BEEN HERE BECAUSE HE DIDN'T FIND IT SUSTAINABLE TO KEEP A TEMP AT THAT LEVEL. AND IF I MAY, MAY, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS 'CAUSE THEY WERE NOT INITIALLY SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING THAT MANY HOURS. AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT. WE'VE ACTUALLY STARTED CUTTING THEM BACK FROM, AT ONE POINT THEY WERE WORKING TOO MANY HOURS. I'VE CUT THEM BACK AND WE'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE NOW PHASING THAT BODY OUT AS OF JUNE 30TH. SO WHAT IS THE TARGET SALARY FOR AN EMPLOYEE WHO IS A COURT SPECIALIST RIGHT NOW? STERLING'S PULLING THAT UP. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. YOU CAN GO AHEAD. NO, I I RIGHT NOW I'M, I WAS GONNA GO BUY THE HOURLY, WHICH I THINK IS RIGHT AROUND 25 OR ABOUT $25 AN HOUR. BUT THEN THEY GET THE, BUT THEY GET THE PACKAGE ALSO. THEY GET THE EMPLOYMENT PACKAGE WITH BENEFITS AND RETIREMENT. STERLING DO HAVE A, A NUMBER. YEAH, SO OUR COURT SPECIALIST ANNUAL SALARY RANGE FROM 61,000 TO 52,000 ANNUALLY. AND THEN FOR THIS DECISION PACKAGE, WE'RE ONLY INCREASING WAGES BY 11,000. THAT TO ACCOUNT FOR THE, ABOUT, I THINK 22% FTE INCREASE. THEN WE DO HAVE THREE MONTHS OF OVERLAP OF THE CURRENT TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES. THAT'S A $15,000 INCREASE. FICA 5,000 A SRS IS ABOUT 8,000. AND THEN WE PUT THE MAXIMUM HEALTH, UH, PACKAGE. 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EMPLOYEE'S GONNA ELECT AT THE TIME. SO THE MAXIMUM PACKAGE FOR HEALTH INSURANCE IS ABOUT $25,000. OKAY. SO THE REAL ONGOING THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS ABOUT 36,000. IT'S 11,000 IN WAGES AND LIKE THE 35,000 FOR BENEFITS. SO IT'S REALLY LIKE 36,000 IS THE INCREMENTAL, ONGOING YOU'RE ASKING FOR? CORRECT. AND THEN THERE'S SOME ONETIME COST FOR COMPUTER, HARDWARE AND THEN FURNITURE. OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. 36 VERSUS SAYING 67 THERE. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING IT HARD ON US TO, TO WANT TO SAY YES, BUT APOLOGIES AND WE, WE SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED ON THIS SLIDE, AND THIS IS MY FAULT, LIKE THE 15,000 FOR THE TRAINING MM-HMM . WITH THE EXISTING TEMPORARY AND WHAT THAT TEMPORARY WAS. AND I THINK [00:10:01] INITIALLY WE THOUGHT THAT TEMP WAS LIKE HALF A POSITION, BUT WE REALIZED THAT THE REALITY WAS SHE'S WORKING MORE LIKE 80% OF A POSITION AND I DON'T THINK WE CHANGED THIS FROM THE CHANGE IN THE FTE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY FAULT. OKAY. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU MAYOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO DEREK, ARE WE JUST ASKING QUESTIONS OR ARE WE AT A COMMENT STAGE IN OH, YOU CAN. I MEAN, I, WE NEED OUR MU MUNICIPAL COURTS TO FUNCTION. UM, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NICKEL AND DIMMING THEM OVER THIS. UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD TO THE CITY MANAGER'S POINT, YOU KNOW, TWO CYCLES AGO WE ADDED A POSITION. IF THAT DIDN'T FIX THE PROBLEM, THEN MAYBE THE PROBLEM WAS WE DIDN'T ADD ENOUGH POSITIONS. IT'S LIKE HIRING MORE POLICE OFFICERS AND CRIME DOESN'T GO DOWN. SO WE SAY, WELL WE GUESS POLICE OFFICERS DON'T SOLVE CRIME. SO NO. I MEAN, IF THEY'RE NOT, IF THEY NEED SOMEONE TO DO THE WORK TO MAKE SURE THE COURT IS OPERATING CORRECTLY, I THINK WE NEED TO SUPPORT THAT. UM, IF WE'RE GRINDING PEOPLE DOWN, THEN WE'RE GONNA EVENTUALLY LOSE THE PEOPLE WE HAVE. UH, SO I JUST, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A PLACE WHERE WE NEED TO BE CUTTING CORNERS. MUNICIPAL COURTS ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CITY FUNCTION AND THEY NEED TO BE ADEQUATELY STAFFED AND ADEQUATELY FUNDED. SO I AM SUPPORTING THE ASK. IT MAY BE A VICIOUS CYCLE BECAUSE CAN'T KEEP STAFF 'CAUSE THEY'RE OVERWORKED. I DO THINK THAT THERE'S SOME EVIDENCE TO THAT, THAT THEY ARE SOMEWHAT OVERWORKED. I MEAN, I GIVE AN EXAMPLE, A MAYOR, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO SEE SOMETIMES THE STAFF LITERALLY EATING THEIR LUNCH AS THEY'RE TRYING TO GET SOME PAPERWORK DONE. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE PHONE CALLS COME IN. WE STILL HAVE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. THERE ARE THINGS THAT I I I THINK THE CITY MANAGER HAS A RIGHT TO BE, BE SOMEWHAT CAUTIOUS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. 'CAUSE I, I THINK FRANKLY IT PROBABLY COULD HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON OUR PART, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS AGO. AND AGAIN, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT FIVE, LESS THAN FIVE MONTHS NOW. BUT WE'RE WORKING ON IT. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK THAT I'M ASKING FOR THAT LATITUDE TO BE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND START WORKING AND, AND BUILDING UP THE COURT AND LOOKING AT THAT STAFFING AND LOOKING AT THE, THE COST. BUT I, AGAIN, I'M NOT JUST, I DON'T WANNA THROW MONEY AT A PROBLEM. I THINK THAT WHEN WE HAD THE CITIZENS WORK GROUP, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DISCUSSED IS THEY, THEY, I THINK THEIR COMMENT WAS, LOOKS LIKE YOU REALLY ACTUALLY NEED TWO EMPLOYEES. AND OUR COMMENT, MY COMMENT BACK WAS PROBABLY DO THE, THE PROBLEM IS I DON'T, I CAN'T TRAIN 'EM. SO I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT YOU GIVING ME MONEY FOR JUST TO SIT THERE OR TO PAY SOMEBODY TO SIT THERE BECAUSE I CAN'T TRAIN 'EM. BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A WASTE OF THE CITY'S RESOURCES. WE DON'T WANNA WASTE THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY AND I DON'T WANNA WASTE YOUR TIME COME WHEN I COME HERE. 'CAUSE WHEN I COME HERE AND I'M ASKING FOR SOMETHING, IT'S 'CAUSE I THINK I ACTUALLY NEED IT. I'M NOT JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE JUST IN THE HOPES OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE DAY I'LL GET SOMETHING. BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE HAS A RIGHT TO BE SOMEWHAT CAUTIOUS ABOUT THE WAY THINGS WERE HANDLED. I THINK WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, PREPARED TO ANSWER CERTAIN THINGS IN THE FUTURE AS FAR AS HOW OUR STAFFING'S GOING AND LOOKING AT SOME, MAYBE COMING UP WITH SOME METRICS ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO DECIDE THE STAFFING. MELISSA? SO JUDGE, ON THE LAST STATEMENT YOU MADE IS WHERE I'M HEADED. UM, IF THERE ARE ISSUES AT THE COURT, UM, THERE NEED TO BE SOME METRICS IN PLACE THAT ALLOW US TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU AND THE CITY MANAGEMENT TEAM HAVE COME UP WITH. AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO TELL US WHAT THEY ARE, BUT WHATEVER THEY ARE INTERNALLY, AT LEAST WE NEED TO HAVE SOME METRICS, SOME ASSURITY THAT THOSE THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER. BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT GETTING BETTER, ADDING MORE PEOPLE INTO A SYSTEM THAT'S NOT WORKING WELL, DOESN'T MEAN THE SYSTEM WILL SUDDENLY START WORKING WELL. IT'S JUST ADDING ANOTHER PERSON INTO A SYSTEM THAT'S NOT WORKING WELL. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHERE THE LEVEL, WHERE THE ISSUES ARE OR HOW THEY ARE, BUT THAT COULD REALLY IMPACT THE ABILITY OF THAT PERSON TO FUNCTION. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE AND I'M NOT AGAINST ADDING PERSONNEL, BUT I'M AGAINST ADDING PERSONNEL INTO A SYSTEM THAT'S NOT FUNCTIONING CORRECTLY. BECAUSE THAT'S, I'VE WORKED ON MANY, MANY TEAMS IN MANY, MANY PLACES, AND YOU ADDING MORE PEOPLE WHEN THE TEAM'S NOT FUNCTIONING, THE TEAM DOESN'T FUNCTION BETTER. IT MAY EVEN FUNCTION WORSE BECAUSE YOU'VE ADDED ANOTHER PERSONALITY INTO THE, INTO THE ENVIRONMENT. SO I'M, I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH THIS BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, PUT THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET, BUT LET'S NOT ALLOW THE MONEY TO BE SPENT UNTIL WE, WE HAVE SOME THAT BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS, THE MUNICIPAL COURT AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, THAT THERE'S A, A THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND THAT ADDING A PERSONNEL WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. I DON'T WANNA STARVE YOU FOR A YEAR IF YOU THINK YOU CAN SOLVE WHATEVER THE ISSUES ARE IN THREE MONTHS. RIGHT? SO, BUT I [00:15:01] DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FEASIBLE. LIKE, CAN WE ALLOCATE MONEY AND NOT ALLOW THEM TO SPEND IT? SO, SO COUNSELOR DUNN, UM, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT, UM, NOT STARTING IT RIGHT AT JULY ONE, I THINK IS KIND OF WHAT I HEARD. UM, LAST YEAR YOU DID DO SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE YOU FUNDED IT AT 75% ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT PEOPLE WEREN'T STARTING UNTIL THE SECOND QUARTER OF THE FISCAL YEAR. SO IF COUNSEL'S INTERESTED, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO A, A START DATE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER POINT OR HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR, WHATEVER. THERE IS THAT FLEXIBILITY. UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO SPEND SOME TIME FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS WORKING WITH THE COURT, AND THEN THEY CAN ESTABLISH THE POSITION IN OCTOBER, DECEMBER, WHATEVER YOUR PREFERENCE IS. SO AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY SOUNDS GREAT, BUT AS COUNSELOR, I WOULD WANNA KNOW, IS THAT OCTOBER? IS THAT DECEMBER? IS THAT, WHEN, WHEN DOES THAT FEEL LIKE IT'S THE RIGHT TIME AND ONLY YOU TWO CAN REALLY SORT OF FIGURE THAT OUT, BUT YOU ONLY HAVE TODAY SO ? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA FIGURE THAT OUT. SO, UM, BUT I AM, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF US SAYING DELAY THE START TO GIVE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THE MUNICIPAL COURT TIME TO WORK ON WHATEVER THE ISSUES ARE AND COME UP WITH, WITH AT LEAST A GAME PLAN ON HOW THEY'RE GONNA RESOLVE WHATEVER THOSE ARE, UM, BEFORE WE ADD MORE PEOPLE TO THE MIX. THAT, THAT'S JUST MY THINKING RIGHT NOW. YEAH, DIRK, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE MICROMANAGING WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AN INDEPENDENT BRANCH OF OUR GOVERNMENT. IF THE JUDGE TELLS ME HE NEEDS MORE STAFF, I BELIEVE THAT HE NEEDS MORE STAFF. I MEAN, HE'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE. YOU KNOW, IF OUR JUDGE HAD BEEN FRESH OUTTA LAW SCHOOL AND SAID HE WANTED, YOU KNOW, THREE NEW CLERKS, I'D BE LIKE, EH, BUT YOU KNOW, HE'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE. HE KNOWS HOW TO RUN A COURTROOM. HE KNOWS HOW TO RUN A JUDICIAL SYSTEM. IF HE TELLS US HE NEEDS MORE STAFF, I DON'T FEEL THE NEED TO, WELL LET'S GIVE HIM, YOU KNOW, IN REALITY IF WE FULLY FUND THIS THING, IT'S NOT LIKE HE'S GONNA GO OUT TOMORROW AND HAVE IMMEDIATELY HAVE A SOMEONE TO FILL THE POSITION. SO, I MEAN, I'M GONNA AGREE FUND IT FULL, FULL FUND IT, NOT FULL, WHATEVER. BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO SUPPORT THEM. I MEAN, WE HIRED YOU, JUDGE, YOU'RE NEW. I WANNA GIVE YOU ALL THE TOOLS THAT YOU NEED AND HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEM. MAYOR COUNCIL, I, NUMBER ONE, I WANT BE HELD, HELD ACCOUNTABLE. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE OWE THE TAXPAYERS. AND I OWE THAT BECAUSE YOU ENTRUSTED ME WITH THIS POSITION. I WILL TELL YOU THAT I AM WORKING WITH THE CITY, WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, THAT WE, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH THINGS. THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU SEE WITH THE CUTBACK OF THAT TEMPORARY POSITION IS I'M, I AM ADDRESSING THOSE THINGS. BUT AGAIN, THESE THINGS DIDN'T HAPPEN IN JUST OVERNIGHT. THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE FIXED OVERNIGHT. UM, I'M INTO MY FOURTH MONTH HERE, SO I AM LOOKING AT THINGS, I'M WORKING ON GETTING THESE THINGS RESOLVED, BUT I WOULD'VE, YOU KNOW, ASSURE THE COUNSEL THAT WE'RE NOT JUST THROWING MONEY AT SOMETHING HOPING IT GETS BETTER. I WILL SAY THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DRIVES A COURT ARE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HIRE NEW POLICE OFFICERS. WHEN YOU HIRE NEW, YOU KNOW, UM, SHORT TERM RENTAL SPECIALISTS. THOSE CREATE MORE CASES FOR US TO DEAL WITH. SO, UM, AND THERE WAS A BACKLOG WHEN I GOT HERE AS FAR AS UNDONE OR UNHANDLED CASES THAT WERE NEEDED TO BE HANDLED. AND SO WE'RE FIXING THAT BACKLOG RIGHT NOW. BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS ABOUT IS CATCHING UP. BUT ON THE SAME HAND, I AM A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT OVERWORKING THE STAFF. YOU DON'T SEE A BIG OVERTIME, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO OVERTIME BUDGET. SO WE'RE REALLY NOT TRYING TO JUST THROW MONEY AND TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO WORK OVERTIME. WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DEAL WITH THE BUDGET AND DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY GETTING SOME LONG-TERM EMPLOYEES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO DO A RECAP. YEAH. WE CAN GO THROUGH THE RECAP NOW AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE DISCUSSION OF DECISION PACKAGES. NOW MELISSA WANTED TO BRING UP, UM, A CIP PROJECT. WHEN WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO DO THAT. ARE WE GOING TO UM, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY STRUCTURE THIS HOWEVER YOU ALL WANT TO. AND IF WE WANNA GO BACK TO THAT FIRST AND THEN DO A RECAP AND THEN MOVE ON TO DECISION PACKAGES AND COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDERS, THAT'S FINE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY, LIKE THE ONLY PERSON THAT HAD A TIME CONSTRAINT WAS THE JUDGE. OKAY. SO [00:20:01] WHY DON'T WE DO THAT NOW? SO I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE I'M GOING. IT'S P 40, WHICH IS ON WHATEVER, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT PAGE IT'S ON, BUT IT'S PUBLIC WORKS 40, THIS IS THE ROUNDABOUT, UM, ON BREWER ROAD, RANGER ROAD RANGER EXTENSION IMPROVEMENTS. IT'S BECAUSE I'M NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS MATH IS WORKING. UM, SO I UNDERSTAND THE 1.8 MORE OR LESS, UM, FOR FISCAL YEAR 27, THAT'S ONLY ASSUMPTION THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A MATCH FOR 3.7, UH, IN A GRANT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET AND THAT YOU WOULD START WORKING 27 BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THIS FULLY FUNDED, UM, FIVE, 5.4 MILLION. WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH FISCAL YEAR 28. SO WHAT I HEARD YESTERDAY WAS THAT THAT $7.1 MILLION WAS IF YOU DON'T GET THE MATCH, BUT THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME AS TO IS THE TOTAL OF, SO THAT WOULD MAKE THE TOTAL PROJECTS 8.9 MILLION ON THAT LINE ITEM AS OPPOSED TO 5.4 MILLION. SO THOSE NUMBERS JUST DON'T MATCH. AND I WOULD SAY, DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU'RE GONNA NOT DO ANYTHING IN 27 IF YOU DON'T GET THE GRANT, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT 1.8 MILLION AND YOU'RE JUST GOING TO CARRY IT OVER INTO 28. WHERE WE WOULD THEN HAVE AS COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA DO THIS PROJECT AT ALL BECAUSE WE'RE SUDDENLY SPENDING BASICALLY ALMOST $9 MILLION, UM, ON THIS PROJECT. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS WORKS BECAUSE EITHER THE PROJECT IS 8.9 MILLION OR THE PROJECT IS 5.4 MILLION. SO I'M, I THINK KURT'S GONNA MOSEY HIS WAY OVER TO THE PODIUM IN A MINUTE, BUT, SORRY, WE'RE TRYING TO, HE'S TO FIND THE SLIDE. IS THIS IN A DIFFERENT SLIDE DECK THAN THE, IT'S IN THE, IF IF NEEDED CIP SLIDES IN THE SAME, UH, FOLDER PRESENTATION. YEAH. IN THE PRESENTATION FOLDER. YEAH. BUT I CAN, BASED ON WHAT I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE WAY THIS IS LAID OUT, AND KURT JUMP IN. WAIT, CAN I ASK, IS THERE, IS THIS INFORMATION DIFFERENT ON THIS THAN THIS IN PW 40 IN THE BOOK PW 39 WOULD BE THIS PROJECT. IT'S, IT IS SIM SIM ZERO FIVE D AND IT'S ON PAGE PW 40 IN OUR BOOKS. YEAH. COUNT COUNSELOR KINSELLA, THIS IS THE, THE INFORMATION IS YOUR BOOK IN YOUR BOOKS IS WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN. IT SHOULD BE THE SAME THING. RIGHT? THE SAME, CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. SO I BELIEVE, KURT, IF I UNDERSTOOD THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED THIS, IF THE CITY IS AWARDED THE GRANT FOR THIS PROJECT, THEN THE FY 28 NUMBER NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED. YES. ADJUSTED BY WHAT? IT'D BE REDUCED. SO THERE IS A DOUBLING UP AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS IN FUNDING TO ACCOUNT FOR IF THE CITY IS NOT AWARDED THE GRANT. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE'RE BUDGETING FOR BOTH SCENARIOS AND MAYBE WE NEED TO BUDGET FOR ONE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT WE'RE A FISCAL YEAR OUT FROM 28 AND HAVE TIME TO ADJUST. YEAH, I, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. YEAH. YEAH. UM, BECAUSE IF THE GRANT DOESN'T COME THROUGH, YOU CAN'T SPEND THE $1.8 MILLION BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS RIGHT. TO DO THAT. AND SO IN 28 YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH SOME OTHER NUMBER YEAH. WITHOUT THE GRANT. AND THE COUNCIL'S GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, WHATEVER THE COUNCIL IS, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO EVEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT WHEN THE PRICE TAG IS, YOU KNOW, $8 MILLION. BUT IT'S TOTALLY VALID. I THINK WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR A BIT MUCH IN FY 28 THAT SHOULD BE ADJUSTED IF AND WHEN WE'RE AWARDED THE GRANT OR OTHERWISE WE WOULD ADJUST IT, UM, THE OTHER WAY. SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. AND IT'S FURTHER COMPLICATED COUNSELOR BECAUSE THERE'S TWO GRANTS WE'RE GOING FOR. THIS IS THE CONGRESSIONAL DISCRETIONARY SPENDING GRANT AND THE BILL, SO THEY HAVE DIFFERENT MATCHES AS WELL. MM-HMM . CHARLOTTE, OR AS WE TOUCHED ON YESTERDAY, IF THIS IS A PRIORITY ONE AND WE REALLY WANT TO GO BY THE PRIORITY ORDERS, WE INTENTIONALLY, UH, BUDGET THE ENTIRE AMOUNT, WHATEVER THAT ENTIRE AMOUNT IS OR WHATEVER EXPENDITURE PATTERN YOU THINK YOU WOULD NEED FOR THAT, UM, TO HIT IN 27 [00:25:01] AS MUCH AS IS NEEDED. RIGHT. AND THEN IF IT'S NOT UTILIZED BECAUSE THE GRANT COMES THROUGH, THEN YOU HAVE SOME UNSPENT CAPITAL MONIES. THAT WOULD BE A, A FIRST, RIGHT. YEAH. THAT, THAT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE TO ME AS WELL. UM, IT'S A MORE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH, I WOULD SAY VERSUS GOING THE OTHER WAY. IT KEEPS IT BEING A PRIORITY ONE IN FRONT OF US. YEAH. AND, AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IS IT A PRIORITY ONE OR NOT REGARDLESS OF FUND SOURCE, IS IT A PRIORITY ONE? RIGHT? RIGHT. AND THE YEAH, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT. KURT, DID YOU UNDERSTAND? YES. BECAUSE WE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT THAT FROM COUNCIL, WHEN WE AGREED TO ALLOW THEM TO GO FOR THE MATCH, WE STILL HAD QUESTIONS THAT WERE UNANSWERED AROUND THE IMPACT OF THAT ROUNDABOUT ON THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE AROUND IT. THERE WERE STILL CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WHEN, IF EL AT THE PORTAL ROAD EXTENSION IS GONNA INCREASE TRAFFIC FLOW INTO THAT ROUNDABOUT FROM ONE DIRECTION AND WE'VE GOT PEOPLE TURNING GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO NOT BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN OUR STOP TIME ISSUES TODAY. EXCEPT NOW WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROUNDABOUT. SO NOT THAT THAT EVER HAPPENS HERE. SO I, I THINK THOSE QUESTIONS, WE STILL ARE WAITING FOR ANSWERS TO COME BACK FROM YOU GUYS ON, ON HOW THAT'S PROGRESSING. SO, BUT WE SAID GO AHEAD AND TRY FOR THE MATCH, UM, UH, ON THE GRANTS ANYWAY, BUT JUST IN CASE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE HERE OR NOT WHEN WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION. YEAH, I FORGET IN THAT DISCUSSION I REMEMBER IT, BUT, UM, IT KIND OF STILL GOES TO MY, IS IT A PRIORITY ONE WITH WHATEVER MODIFICATIONS? IT'S, IT'S PUBLIC WORKS PRIORITY ONE IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. IT MAY NOT BE PRIORITY ONE FOR COUNCIL. SO THE PRIORITIES DON'T COME FROM US, THEY COME FROM THE STAFF. TRUE. SO, AND I, I REMEMBER IT EXACTLY THE SAME WAY THAT COUNCILOR DUNN REMEMBERS IT WHEN WE HAD OUR DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD CONCERNS AND WE SAID YES, YOU KNOW, SEE IF WE CAN GET THE GRANT, WHICH WOULD SOFTEN SOME OF OUR CONCERNS BECAUSE AT LEAST THERE'S, YOU KNOW, NOT AS MUCH FUNDING GOING IN ON ONE HAND. BUT THE CONCERNS WERE NOT MONEY RELATED. THEY WERE RELATED TO THE, UH, CONFIGURATION AND THE IMPACT ON BUSINESSES AND TRAFFIC THERE. SO, AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE STAND IN THAT GRANT APPLICATION PROCESS, BUT THAT IT WAS A FACTOR WE WANTED TO CONSIDER WHEN PURSUING THIS, BUT THAT WE WERE NOT READY TO GO FORWARD WITHOUT SOME OF THE OTHER INFORMATION, A PLAN OF HOW WE WERE DEALING WITH THAT. WE DID MAKE ASSURANCES TO THAT BUSINESS THAT WOULD BE MOST IMPACTED, THAT WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD. AND I DON'T, A PLAN HAS NOT BEEN PRESENTED TO US YET OF HOW THAT HAPPENS. SO I REALLY REMEMBER EXACTLY AS YOU DO. SO, SO I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND YOU GUYS SHOULD CHANGE THE WAY THE BUDGET LOOKS. UM, HOWEVER, I'M GONNA LEAVE THAT TO, TO YOU AND THE FINE FOLKS AT THE TABLE OPPOSITE YOU. BUT I THINK THAT THE WAY IT CURRENTLY IS IN THE BUDGET IS CONFUSING AND PROBABLY NOT ACCURATE. UM, YEAH, AFTER GETTING INTO THE DETAIL OF IT, I WOULD TEND TO AGREE THAT WE NEED TO UPDATE THAT. UM, BARBARA, WHAT'S YOUR, AND STERLING, WHAT IS YOUR VIEW ABOUT THE, THE WAY IT'S DISPLAYED AND THE WAY IT'S ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE BUDGET? YOU WANNA GO AHEAD. YEAH. ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN A PASS THROUGH GRANT, UH, VERSUS FUNDS THAT THE CITY RECEIVES DIRECTLY, UM, BEING THAT THIS WOULDN'T BE FUNDS THE CITY RECEIVES DIRECTLY AND WE DON'T WANNA OVER BUDGET, WE CAN EASILY MAKE THIS CHANGE FOR FI 28. OKAY. CHARLOTTE. OKAY. THEN I'M NOT SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING IF WE BASICALLY TAKE THAT 28 AMOUNT ALL WE'RE, WE'RE ROLLING THE DICE. IT, THIS IS MY INTERPRETATION. WE'RE ROLLING THE DICE THAT WE WILL GET THE GRANT. IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT, THEN THIS TOTALLY TURNS INTO A 28 DISCUSSION. IS THAT, AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY, THE WAY THIS BUDGET LOOKS NOW? YES. IT WOULDN'T BE FUNDED IN 27. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING. I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH IT, BUT, OKAY. AT LEAST I'M UNDERSTANDING BRIAN. OKAY. SO I, I THINK IT'S FOR FISCAL 27, I THINK IT'S PERFECTLY CLEAR, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET THE AWARD OR WE GET STARTED, THERE'S WHAT OUR COST IS, I THINK IN THE BOX, THAT'S THE EXPLANATION OF OUTSIDE FUNDING SOURCES. UH, THAT SPEAKS TO THE, THE GRANT, UH, APPLICATION [00:30:01] REQUEST AMOUNT OF THE 3.6 MILLION THAT I WOULD JUST ADD ONTO THERE, THAT IN, IN THE EVENT THAT AMOUNT IS, I, I THINK IN, IN THAT BOX IT JUST NEEDS TO EXPLAIN THE, THE FISCAL 28 SCENARIO. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE FISCAL 28 SCENARIO REALLY IS SHOWING NO AWARDING OF GRANT . SO I, I DON'T REALLY OBJECT TO, TO WHERE THIS IS GOING. IT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO JUST SET OUR 27 BUDGET AND I DO THINK WE HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN GET THE GRANT, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD. SO THE BUDGETED AMOUNT FOR 27 MAKES SENSE. YEAH, 28 IS LIKELY TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT IT A YEAR FROM NOW. WELL, YESTERDAY I SAID THAT IF WE DIDN'T GET THE GRANT, WE WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS WHETHER WE WANTED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH CITY FUNDS AND DELAY SOMETHING ELSE. IF IT IS PRIORITY ONE, AND IF COUNCIL AGREES WITH THAT, THEN WE MAY NOT WANNA WAIT, UH, YOU KNOW, IN A WHOLE YEAR. 'CAUSE WE, I THINK, ANDY, YOU SAID THAT WE WOULD GET THE RESULTS IN OVER THE SUMMER OR EARLY FALL. YEAH, GO AHEAD. CAN I MAYBE EXPLAIN WHY THIS IS PRIORITY ONE? SO IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SIM FIVE A, WHICH IS THE PORTAL TO BREWER CONNECTION, THIS PROJECT WILL NEED TO OCCUR IN ORDER TO FULLY CONNECT WHAT WE CALL SIM FIVE E, WHICH IS THE FOREST 89 RANGER, UH, INTERSECTION THROUGH A RANGER EXTENSION. IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THIS PROJECT ALSO HAS TO OCCUR. NOW WE, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF EXPLAINING THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING BEHIND IT. WE'VE, WE'VE DONE SEVERAL DEEP DIVES ON THAT OVER THE PAST. I THINK IT'S FOUR OR FIVE YEARS . UM, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT AGAIN. UM, I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT IT TRULY IS A CRITICAL PROJECT FOR THE OVERALL PROGRAM. SO ANDY, WOULD IT BE WHAT, WHEN'S THE LAST TIME THE VISIT MODEL WAS UPDATED AND WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO UPDATE THAT, GIVEN THAT WE'VE ALSO GOTTEN SOME COMMUNITY INPUT REGARDING THE, UH, BREWER ROUNDABOUT AND ITS EFFICACY. UM, SO I'M JUST WONDERING OUT LOUD ABOUT THAT. I, I THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA. WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY JUNE FOR A SIM UPDATE IS WHAT WE'RE TARGETING RIGHT NOW. AND, UH, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT STATUS CHECK-IN IN A WHILE. AND, UH, I THINK WE'VE MADE SOME PRETTY MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE PROGRAM AND IT WOULD BE A GOOD, GOOD TIMING, UH, TO DO THAT. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. SO JUST KATHY, ONE MORE COMMENT. UM, YEAH, ANDY, I AGREE. WE'VE, WE'VE DONE A DEEP DIVE ON THE ENGINEERING OF THIS SEVERAL TIMES, AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK, FOR ME, THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION. THE QUESTION IS, AS A RESULT OF GOING THROUGH THOSE DEEP DIVES AND THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP, WHAT I DON'T HAVE ARE THE ANSWERS TO THOSE. AND AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT THE CONFIGURATIONS EFFECT ON THAT BUSINESS THAT'S THERE. SO THAT'S THE PART I THINK I'M WAITING FOR TO COME BACK TO KNOW HOW COMFORTABLE I AM WITH THIS PROJECT. UM, AND, AND THAT ACTUALLY IS ALSO TIED BACK TO THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING ELEMENT OF THIS. AND BECAUSE IT'S CONFIGURED THE WAY IT IS BASED ON, UM, WANTING EFFICIENCY FOR THE INTERSECTION AS WELL AS I THINK WE ALL PAINFULLY KNOW HOW WELL TIGHT ROUNDABOUTS WORK MM-HMM . AND, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF THREAD THE NEEDLE, IF YOU WILL, ON OPERATIONS VERSUS, UM, IMPACT. AND THAT'S THE SIMPLEST WAY TO PUT IT. BUT WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH THAT, UM, AT THE NEXT UPDATE. THANK YOU. REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE GET THE GRANT OR NOT, RIGHT, WE STILL NEED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE IMPACTS. THAT'S RIGHT. SO THAT'S SEPARATE. MAY I ADD, UM, COUNSEL, THE QUESTION IS CONSTRUCTABILITY TO IMPACTS TO ADJACENT ON THIS AND TYPICAL WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE CONTRACTOR, THE DESIGN ENGINEERS DO. ONCE THE PROJECT IS BID, WE WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH AND DO MORE OF A CONSTRUCTION BID PACKAGE FOR YOU, AND WE'LL TRY TO GET THAT TOGETHER IN JUNE. SO YOU COULD SHOW HOW WE WOULD CONSTRUCT THIS IN A FASHION TO MINIMIZE [00:35:01] ADJACENT IMPACTS. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. I DON'T WANNA DO A DEEP DIVE ON THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW, BUT NO, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION JUST TO GET MY THOUGHTS CLEAR IN TERMS OF STEPS. SO WE HAVE FOREST ROAD ROUNDABOUT, WE HAVE THE ELIMINATION SLASH CONFIGURATION CHANGE TO THE CURRENT BREWER ROUNDABOUT, AND WE HAVE THE NEW ROUNDABOUT RANGER BREWER, WHICH COMES FIRST, OR HOW DOES THAT, HOW IS THAT ALL GONNA WORK JUST AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL? RIGHT. I THINK THE SIMPLEST WAY TO PUT THAT IS WE CAN'T MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO CAPACITY WITHOUT FIRST HAVING THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT COMPLETE. SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE. IT IS. AND WHILE THAT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CURRENT ROUNDABOUT BREWER? WHEN DOES IS THAT NEXT? WE, WE WOULD LEAVE BREWER FULLY FUNCTIONAL UNTIL, UM, ALMOST WELL SIM FIVE E BEING THE FOREST, UH, ROUNDABOUT UNTIL THAT'S COMPLETE, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO CHANGE, UH, THE CONFIGURATION OF BREWER BECAUSE WE'LL NEED THAT TURNAROUND IN LEFT TURN CAPACITY THERE. SO, UH, SO IT'D BE BREWER, RANGER, THEN BREWER ROUNDABOUT, AND THEN FOREST. WELL, THE WAY I WOULD SEE IT IS BREWER RANGER, UM, FOREST ROUNDABOUT RANGER CONNECTION AND RANGER CONNECTION CAN ACTUALLY BE COMPLETED AT ANY POINT IN THERE. UM, BUT ITS FULL FUNCTIONAL ABILITY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE OPERATIONAL UNTIL THE ROUNDABOUTS ARE COMPLETE. AND THEN, SO I, I SAY ALL THAT JUST TO SAY I, IN, I BELIEVE IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE THAT THE BREWER, UM, RECONFIGURATION WOULD, WOULD OCCUR LAST. OKAY. AND THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION, I KNOW IT'S A PROJECT IN HERE. I DON'T KNOW THE NUM YOU KNOW WHAT PAGE IT'S ON THAT WAS NOT ANTICIPATED TO BE FUNDED THROUGH GRANTS. UM, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EAST FOREST ROAD IMPROVEMENTS FROM THE GARAGE TO MAIN STREET? NO. OH, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT. OH, THE ROUNDABOUT. YEP. IT IS. AND WE'VE APPLIED FOR GRANT FUNDING FOR THAT AS WELL. THAT'S BEEN FOR FOUR YEARS THROUGH NACO REGIONAL PROJECT PRIORITIES LIST. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE GRANTS THAT THE CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED MONEY IS FOR THE RANGER BREWER, RIGHT. ROUNDABOUT. AND THE NACOG IS FOR THE RANGER BREWER ROUNDABOUT WOULD'VE BEEN THE FOREST AND FOREST ROAD BOTH FOREST FOREST. SO THE CONNECTION IS RIGHT NOW WITH BREWER RANGER, RIGHT. IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, WE'VE KIND OF APPLICATION. YEAH, THERE'S TWO FOR SIM FIVE D, THE RANGER ROUNDABOUT, THE BUILD GRANT AND CDS, THE CONGRESSIONAL DISCRETIONARY SPENDING THAT WE'VE APPLIED FOR. AND THEN THE ROUNDABOUT PROPOSED ON STATE ROUTE 89 A IS WHAT WE'RE, UM, ADVOCATING FOR IN THE STATE ADOT BUDGET BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR RIGHT OF WAY. UM, SO THAT'S NOT TECHNICALLY A GRANT THAT'S JUST LOBBYING FOR THE BUDGET FOR ADOT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT. AND THAT'S LAST YEAR. WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT SHOULD BE ASSUMED NOW, BUT IT'S ALL ABOUT STATE APPROPRIATION SPENDING. AND THEY DIDN'T MEAN IT THEIR GRANT FOR FISCAL YEAR 26TH UNTIL LIKE OCTOBER AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN, SO THEORETICALLY IF WE DIDN'T GET ANY OF THOSE GRANTS, WE'RE LOOKING AT A HUGE EX EXPENSE AND WE WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE HOW WE WERE GONNA DO THAT. CORRECT. AND THEN THE COUNCIL SHOULD KNOW WE'VE ALREADY ANTICIPATED ON ALL THESE VARIABILITIES. SO WE ACTUALLY, IN THE DESIGN THAT WE'RE DOING, WE SEPARATED ALL THOSE COMPONENTS, THE TWO ROUNDABOUTS AND THE RANGER EXTENSION. SO IT GIVE US FLEXIBILITY OF DOING A BID PACKAGE WITH THE CONSTRUCTABILITY OF THAT BASED UPON AWARDING OF A GRANT. OKAY. ARE WE GOOD? ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO OUR RECAP. OKAY. SORRY, [00:40:01] I HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN, TO GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE PRESENTATIONS. SO THIS IS JUST A RECAP OF WHAT WE'VE GONE OVER WITH THE, UH, OPERATING AND CAPITAL BUDGETS. THIS IS MORE HOW YOU'VE SEEN THE BUDGET IN PAST YEARS, WHICH IS WHERE WE HAVE PERSONNEL, OTHER OPERATIONS, THE SUBTOTAL, THEN DEBT SERVICE CONTINGENCY, AND THEN YOUR TOTAL OPERATIONS BUDGET FOR THE ENTIRE CITY, AND THEN CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR YOUR TOTAL BUDGET. AND WE HAVE FISCAL 26, WHICH WAS THE 1 0 3 0.3, APPROXIMATELY THE 27 BASE, AND THEN WHAT THE 27 WOULD BE IF THE DECISION PACKAGES ARE APPROVED. AND THIS ASSUMES ALL THE CIP PROJECTS ARE INCLUDED YES. THAT ARE IN THE LIST. AND THEN THIS IS THE OPERATING BUDGET BY CATEGORY AND THEN BY DEPARTMENT. AND OUR, OUR DEBT SERVICE CHANGES YEAR OVER YEAR. YOU TO BE LOOKING AT THIS. I MEAN, YOU'RE LIKE, SO SECONDS. THIS IS, I I CAN GO SLOWER AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT EACH ONE IF YOU WOULD LIKE. UM, IT IS JUST A, A RECAP, BUT I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH, IS THERE ANYTHING, LET'S JUST, LET'S GO BACK AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE TOTAL BUDGET? SO THIS ASSUMES ALL THE DECISION PACKAGES ARE APPROVED AND THIS IS JUST THE PICTURE OF THAT. YEAH. LIKE HERE'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND THEN IF YOU CHOOSE TO CHARLOTTE, UM, REMIND ME WHAT THE VACANCY FACTOR IS AND WHERE IS IT APPLIED? WE, WE DON'T REALLY USE, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T USE A, WHAT DO WE DO FOR VACANCY SAVINGS? THE, THE CITY IS HISTORICALLY, UM, CALCULATED VACANCY SAVINGS, BUT I THINK AS A FINANCES DEPARTMENT, WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THAT IS USING VACANCY SAVINGS AS UM, LIKE A CONFUSION AS A LINE ITEM. YEAH. BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE 200 AUTHORIZED POSITIONS IN THE WHOLE CITY. IT'S NOT WHEN YOU HAVE A, LIKE A THOUSAND EMPLOYEES SAY THAT VACANCY SAVINGS IS FAIRLY PREDICTABLE YEAR OVER YEAR, BUT WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE 200 AND YOU'RE TRYING TO ESTIMATE THAT, YOU REALLY THEN HAVE TO CONSIDER, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT OUR VACANCY RATE LOOKS LIKE, BUT THEN HERE ARE THE PEOPLE ELIGIBLE FOR RETIREMENT. AND YOU HAVE TO GET TO A VERY GRANULAR LEVEL TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY PUT VACANCY SAVINGS AS A, LIKE REDUCTION IN YOUR EXPENDITURES. SO WE'RE, WE ARE MOVING AWAY FROM THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A BIG NUMBER AND IT FEELS A, A LITTLE UNCERTAIN, AND I DON'T REALLY LIKE THAT IN A FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE WAY IS THAT WE'RE REDUCING OUR BUDGET BY AN AMOUNT THAT IS REALLY UNCERTAIN. AND WHEN PEOPLE RETIRE, OF COURSE THAT INCREASES THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING THEM OUT, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR LEAVE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND WE CAN'T ALWAYS PREDICT THOSE THINGS. SO WE DON'T USE A STANDARD VACANCY RATE TO, TO REDUCE THE BUDGET. OKAY. WELL, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IN YET ANOTHER WAY, WE ARE BUDGETING EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVELY TO, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT RECOGNIZING THE 15% OR WHATEVER IT IS, TURNOVER THAT OCCURS EACH YEAR. AND IT, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT WE SHOULD IN SOME WAY RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE, IT, IT OCCURS, THERE'S CERTAINLY, THEY CAN SEE SAVINGS THAT OCCURS OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR DUE GIVEN THE TIME TO RECRUIT AND SO FORTH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE, BUT, UM, I THINK WE, I JUST THINK WE'RE OVER BUDGETING. WELL, I THINK WE CAPTURE IT ON THE BACK END INSTEAD OF THE FRONT END IN THIS METHOD. UM, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, THE UNENDED FUND BALANCE IS FORECASTED FOR THE FUTURE YEAR, AND BECAUSE THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE A STRUCTURAL DEFICIT, IT DOESN'T SEEM NECESSARY TO ARTIFICIALLY REDUCE THE BUDGET AHEAD OF TIME. AND INSTEAD WE GO AHEAD AND BUDGET FOR WHAT WE ANTICIPATE IS AND PLAN TO HAVE HAPPEN AND THEN CAPTURE THOSE VACANCY SAVINGS AT THE END OF THE PROCESS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO ARTIFICIALLY FIGURE IT OUT AT THE BEGINNING. SO IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING THE SAME THING. THERE'S JUST A LAG, RIGHT. [00:45:01] IF THERE'S MONEY LEFT OVER, I'M SURE IT WILL BE PUT TO SOME USE A YEAR AND A HALF LATER. BUT, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S, IT IS JUST MY THOUGHT THAT IT SEEMS A LITTLE, AGAIN, WE'RE VERY CONSERVATIVE IN OUR APPROACHES. RIGHT? YOU WAITING? IT'S FINE. OH, OKAY. YOU KNOW, PUTTING ON MY PRIVATE SECTOR HAT, JUST LOOKING AT THIS FOR A SECOND, UM, AND THINKING ABOUT IT ALMOST LIKE, WELL, I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE NEXT PAGE. SORRY, I CAN WAIT. . SO MELISSA, GO AHEAD. SO I'M SURE SOMEBODY'S ALREADY ASKED THIS YESTERDAY, AND I WAS PROBABLY DOZING AT THE TIME, BUT, UM, THAT PERSONNEL, YOUR LINE ITEM AT THE END OF PERSONNEL, DOES THAT, UM, ASSUME THAT EVERYONE WHO CURRENTLY IS EMPLOYED WILL GET UP, WILL GET 5% INCREASE? THAT'S THE BUDGETED AMOUNT. WE, WE KNOW THAT THAT WON'T BE THE CASE, BUT YES, THAT'S THE BUDGET. OKAY. SO THE, THAT'S ANOTHER WAY IN WHICH WE'VE BEEN SUPER CONSERVATIVE AND WE'RE ACTUALLY OVER BUDGETED BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE'S GONNA GET 5%. AND SO, AND, AND NOT EVERYONE'S AT THE SAME SALARY LEVEL TO GET THAT 5%. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, THAT PERSONNEL NUMBER WILL COME, WILL COME DOWN SOME BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT SOME PEOPLE WON'T, WON'T GET 5%. ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S AN INSIGNIFICANT NUMBER, BARBARA, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT 24, ALMOST $25 MILLION IN PERSONNEL AND YOU PUT IN A 10% VACANCY FACTOR, WHICH IS WAY LOWER THAN IT REALLY IS, IT'S $2.4 MILLION. WELL, WE HAVE THE TURNOVER RATE'S DIFFERENT THAN A VACANCY FACTOR. SO IF YOU SAY THAT WE HAVE A 10% VACANCY FACTOR, YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE HAVE 20 VACANT POSITIONS ALL YEAR LONG, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE. WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING AND GOING, COMING AND GOING, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE POSITION VACANT LIKE THE WHOLE YEAR TYPICALLY. UM, SO THAT, THAT'S JUST A NUANCE. THE TURNOVER RATE IS NOT THE SAME AS A VACANCY VOUCHER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I MEAN IT IS, BUT I WELL, YES, BUT THE TIME IT TAKES TO FILL THE POSITIONS IS NOT A WHOLE ENTIRE YEAR. SO, UH, I THINK IF WE DID A STUDY CONSIDERING THAT WE'RE MORE IN THE HIGH TEENS FOR OUR TURNOVER RATE AND, AND I WASN'T SUGGESTING WE GO UP TO THE TURNOVER RATE, BUT DO SOMETHING LOWER, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF RUSS COULD PUT THOSE NUMBERS TOGETHER, WHAT THAT ACTUALLY IS. SURE. UM, THE OTHER THING WE CAN DO, IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING THE FULL 5% IN THE BUDGET, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE GET THE 5% IS I THINK THE AVERAGE HAS BEEN AROUND 3.8 OR 3.9 OR SOMETHING. SO WE COULD PUT IN WHAT THE HISTORICAL AVERAGE HAS BEEN FOR THE MERIT INCREASES INSTEAD OF THE FULL 5%, WE CAN CALCULATE THAT. UM, OR PART OF IT COULD BE A COLA, WHICH YOU KNOW, WOULD BE GIVEN OUT AND THEN PART OF IT MERIT. NO, WE'RE NOT DOING A COLA. RIGHT? WELL, WE HAVEN'T MADE THE, THAT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL. IF YOU WANNA SPLIT THAT 5% INTO A COLA AND A SMALL MERIT, UM, TO GUARANTEE EVERYBODY GETS A FLAT AMOUNT AND THEN THEY CAN GET SOMETHING ABOVE THAT. THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST. UM, THE CITY MOVED AWAY FROM THAT A FEW YEARS AGO IN 2000, MAYBE 2019. UM, THE CITY MOVED AWAY FROM THE SPLIT COLA AND MERIT TO, UH, AS A, AS A POLICY DECISION TO BECOME A MERIT DRIVEN SYSTEM INSTEAD OF A COLA DRIVEN WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. SO WE RESET ALL THE POSITIONS AT MARKET IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR SO THAT EVERYBODY'S PAY GRADE IS AT THE MARKET FOR THEIR COMPARABLE POSITION ACROSS OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR, WHICH INCORPORATES THE NOTION OF THE COLA ALREADY. UM, AND THEN THE REMAINDER FOR THIS YEAR WOULD BE THE MERIT. AND THEN WE COME BACK AROUND AND DO ANOTHER MARKET STUDY. SO WE DO MARKET STUDIES FROM TIME TO TIME TO READJUST THE ENTIRE COMPENSATION SCHEDULE. UM, SO ANOTHER DIFFERENCE HERE IS WE DON'T HAVE A STEP SYSTEM. SO PEOPLE ARE NOT PROGRESSING ON STEPS LIKE A TRADITIONAL COMPENSATION PLAN, WHICH IS NORMALLY WHEN YOU INCORPORATE A CALL, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. WE PUT EVERYBODY AT MARKET AND THEN APPLY THE PERFORMANCE [00:50:01] BASED MERIT. SO IT'S A, A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING COMPENSATION THAN A TRADITIONAL, WHAT YOU WOULD THINK OF IN A MORE, I GUESS WHERE I COME FROM A MORE UNIONIZED ENVIRONMENT. MM-HMM . BUT, BUT AGAIN, COUNSEL CAN CHOOSE THE METHOD THAT YOU PREFER FOR. I I JUST THINK IN A YEAR WHERE YOU'VE HAD ANNUALIZED, UM, RECLASS, WELL THIS YEAR, AND BARBARA, CORRECT ME, DID YOU SAY 111 POSITIONS OUT OF THE ONE 90 OR SO THAT ARE AUTHORIZED RECEIVED, THAT, THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT, AND I WOULDN'T CALL IT COLA, BUT A SIGNIFICANT BOOST TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. SO THE FOLLOWING YEAR, MEANING 27 SEEMS TO ME TO BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT A COLA AS PART OF IT SO THAT EVERYBODY BENEFITS FROM IT AND, AND MAYBE A SMALLER MERIT. SO THAT WOULD BE A HUGE POLICY CHANGE THAT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE DISCU, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKING A WILLY-NILLY CHANGE LIKE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE INTENTIONALLY CHANGED FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. RIGHT. I RECOGNIZE THAT. AND I'M ONLY HERE FOR A FEW MONTHS, SO 2019 GONNA SEVEN BIG INROADS IN IT, BUT I JUST FEEL COMPELLED TO BRING IT UP NOW. I'LL LET IT PLAY. MAYOR PETE WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT. PETE. YES, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, LIKE YOU MAYOR, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH CONSIDERING CHANGING THE COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHY AT THIS POINT. I THINK THE MERIT BASE SYSTEM AND THE WAY THE MANAGER RUNS IT IS, IS, UH, AND, AND HAS BEEN FOR PREVIOUS MANAGERS BEEN WORKING WELL. THIS OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT VACANCY RATE AND MERIT RAISES, WHETHER WE BUDGET THE FULL THING OR NOT. THESE ARE, AND I THINK MAYBE THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED THAT THESE ARE THE THINGS, THESE ARE TECHNIQUES THAT MUNICIPALITIES OR STATE GOVERNMENTS USE WHEN REVENUES ARE, ARE TIGHT AND, AND WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT THE SPENDING IS CLOSE TO THE REVENUE. BUT OF COURSE WE, WE CAN'T SPEND THE REVENUE THAT WE'VE GOT WE DON'T NEED TO DO THE LITTLE BUDGET TRICKS TO DRIVE THE BUDGET DOWN. WE SEE THE MONEY AT THE END OF THE YEAR. AND SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT ALL THE DISCUSSION HERE IS. I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE PUSHING THIS WANT TO DO OTHER THAN ARTIFICIALLY, UH, DRIVE DOWN PERHAPS THE BUDGET. I THINK BARBARA IS ON A GOOD TRACK OF TRYING TO MATCH BUDGETS AND EXPENDITURES IN THE FUTURE. AND SHE'LL GET TO THIS IF, IF IT MAKES SENSE IN FUTURE YEARS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO IT ENOUGH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU PETE. HOW ARE YOU FEELING? . OKAY, GOOD. WELL YOU'RE HERE ANYWAY. OKAY. READY TO MOVE ON. OKAY, NOW YOU HAD A QUESTION ON THE NEXT PAGE, BRIAN. I DO, I'M SORRY. YOU BACK MORE OF AN OBSERVATION THING REALLY. UM, WHICH IS PUTTING, UH, ON MY, MY PRIVATE SECTOR HAT AND LOOKING AT THIS AS MORE OF A A P AND L UH, AND THINKING ABOUT EBITDA AND IN THAT CASE WE'D PULL OFF THAT DEBT SERVICE EXPENSE LINE IN PARTICULAR. AND, UH, INSTEAD OF SHOWING A 5% DECREASE IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET, UH, BY MY CALCULATION WE'D SHOW ABOUT A 1.8% INCREASE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD THING IN AND OF ITSELF. I JUST THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF THAT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, DEBT SERVICE COMES AND GOES, BUT THE OPERATING BUDGET, WHICH IS DRIVEN, UM, MORE BY, YOU KNOW, SALARIES AND BENEFITS THAN ANYTHING ELSE, DOESN'T GO AWAY, DOESN'T GENERALLY GO DOWN. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE IN THE, SOME OF THE BUDGET YEARS PAST WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE YEAR, WHAT IF SCENARIOS OF JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE WATCHING HOW OUR ONGOING OPERATING BUDGET LOOKS OVER YEARS TO COME AT ASSUMED GROWTH RATES AND WHERE OUR REVENUE IS TRACKING SO THAT WE NEVER GET TO WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, OUR OPERATING BUDGET HAS SOMEHOW GOTTEN LARGER THAN THE REVENUE THAT WE'RE PROJECTING TO BRING IN. I'M NOT SAYING I'M WORRIED OR SEE THAT THAT'S A PROBLEM WITH THIS. AGAIN, 1.8% IS NOT, UH, AND TO [00:55:01] ME IS NOT, UH, SOMETHING THAT CAUSES ME HEARTBURN, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH IT FOR US TO SEE THAT, UM, THAT FIGURE SEPARATED FROM THE IMPACT OF DEBT SERVICE. SO THANK YOU. GOOD POINT. THE 1.8 IS LOWER THAN THE, UH, INFLATION RATE, SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. OKAY. NEXT PAGE. AND THIS IS THE OPERATING BUDGET BY DEPARTMENT. ANY QUESTIONS HERE? COMMENT? I DON'T SEE ANYBODY. WE'LL GIVE ANOTHER 30 SECONDS AND THESE ARE THE DEBT SERVICE CHANGES AND HAPPY TO GO INTO THIS. TALK ABOUT THE HANDWRITING. YES. THAT'S VERY, VERY NICE LINE. AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO AT THIS TIME TALK ABOUT THE LEASES THAT COULD BE PAID OFF? THE DEBT THAT COULD BE PAID? SURE. SO YOU GOT A HANDOUT? DO WE HAVE SOME? OH, I DON'T HAVE PULL ON THAT GREEN DOT. YOU SHOULD HAVE A HANDOUT THAT WAS EMAILED. LITTLE GREEN DOTS. YEP. OKAY. YEP. GOT IT. WHERE DID WE GET THIS FROM? AND I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO STERLING TO DISCUSS HIS, HE WAS ON YOUR DESK THIS MORNING? IT WASN'T ON MY DESK THIS MORNING. YEAH, THEY, THEY CAME AND THEY, JOE GAVE IT OUT TO EVERYBODY AND WE HAVE SOME SURE. IT'S NOT ONE OF THOSE PAGES, BUT, OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, HE, ANNETTE, WE HAVE PETE'S AND HE'S GOT SOME, OH, I'M SORRY. OH, THAT'S OKAY. DIDN'T MEAN TO SEND THAT AS A PAPER AIRPLANE. SO I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO STERLING, UM, BECAUSE HE IS, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR INVESTMENT GURU AND IS ABLE TO SORT OF SEE WHICH OF THESE WOULD, WOULD BE THE BEST TO PAY OFF IF WE WANT TO USE SOME OF OUR, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE FUNDS IN THIS YEAR TO PAY THOSE OFF OR SURPLUS. GOOD MORNING COUNSELORS. UH, SO WE PUT A GREEN CIRCLE NEXT TO ALL OF THE, UH, OUTSTANDING DEBT THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY PREPAYMENT PENALTY. THERE ISN'T A GREEN.NEXT TO THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES. I WANTED TO CHECK WITH OUR PROCUREMENT OFFICER IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES WITH PAYING THAT OFF EARLY. UM, WE DON'T FORESEE ANY ISSUES BECAUSE THAT IS PARTIALLY GRANT FUNDED, BUT THAT WOULDN'T, THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE HOW THE CITY COULD, UH, PAY OFF EARLY. WHICH ITEM IS THAT? THAT'D BE THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES. TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE. THANK YOU. SO THERE, THERE, THERE WOULD BE A GREEN.NEXT TO THAT ONE AS WELL. OKAY. UM, THE OTHER ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A GREEN DOT JUST UH, DUE TO THE AMOUNT IS THE SECOND SERIES 2022 BONDS. IF YOU RECALL, THAT WAS THE BONDS ISSUED TO PURCHASE THE WESTERN GATEWAY THAT IS CALLABLE AT ANY TIME JUST REQUIRES A 30 DAY NOTICE CALLABLE WITHOUT ANY PREMIUM. THE OTHER DEBT OBLIGATIONS DO HAVE CALLABLE DATES THAT WOULD HAVE A PENALTY. SO WE DON'T RECOMMEND, UH, TRYING TO PAY THOSE DOWN EARLY. MM-HMM . AND THEN THE SECOND SERIES, 2015 BONDS THAT WE'RE MAKING OUR FINAL PAYMENT THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO THAT'S ALREADY BAKED INTO THE FY 27, UH, BUDGET. AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH ANY OF THESE, UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, TWO LEASE PAYMENT OR TWO FINANCE PURCHASE PAYMENTS FOR OUR POLICE VEHICLES. ONE IS THE 2022 SERIES AND THEN THE 2024, UH, THE 2022 YOU CAN SEE HAS A FLOATING RATE BETWEEN 1.74 AND 2.7199999999999998%. SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN WHAT WE'RE EARNING AT WELLS FARGO, WHICH IS, UH, 3.5% AND THEN THE AMOUNT ISSUED IN 24 IS 4.4%. SO FOR THOSE SERIES 22 BONDS AS AN EXAMPLE, THE FIRST SERIES, NOT THE SECOND, UM, AT FOUR TO 5% WHERE THE REMAINING PRINCIPLE OF 21 MILLION, CAN YOU IT'S CALL OH, IN 2032? NEVERMIND. NOT, BUT MY QUESTION THOUGH IS, LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE SECOND SERIES. UM, CALLABLE, ANYTIME A 30 DAY NOTICE, CAN YOU, DO YOU HAVE TO PAY OFF THE ENTIRE PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST AT THAT TIME? OR CAN YOU JUST PAY SOME OF IT DOWN? YEAH, THE CITY COULD DO A BASICALLY A NEW ISSUANCE OF DEBT AND THE PART OF THE ISSUANCE WOULD BE PAYING OFF, OH, I SEE A PORTION. THEY'D WANT TO, AND THEN REISSUE A NEW DEBT STRUCTURE FOR THE AMOUNT REMAINING. SO THAT MIGHT NOT BE FAVORABLE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE INTEREST RATES ARE. QUESTION. MM-HMM . UH, BARBARA OR STERLING, WHAT IS, REMIND US, WHAT IS OUR PROJECTED UNSPENT BUDGET FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR THAT WE'RE PLAYING WITH FIVE AND A HALF FOR, FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR? MM-HMM . UM, ONE SECOND. LEMME PULL THAT UP. RIGHT. 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY USING EXPECTED UNSPENT FUNDS OUT OF THIS BUDGET YEAR. LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR WHEN WE PAID OFF DEBT, RIGHT? SO WE'VE GOT THAT, BUT THEN WE'LL ALSO HAVE THE, [01:00:01] THE 25 SURPLUS. SO HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE IN EACH OF THOSE TWO BUCKETS? THE, THE 25 SURPLUS IS 5.5 MILLION AND WE ANTICIPATE FOR THIS YEAR, I THINK COMING IN ABOUT 10 MILLION UNDER BUDGET. THAT'S JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. STERLING'S LOOKING, UM, FOR THE FORECAST. BUT GENERALLY WE WAIT TILL THE END OF THE YEAR OR THE, UH, AT A MINIMUM. 'CAUSE WE WANNA HAVE A AUDITED FINANCIAL STATEMENT AND WE, WE CAN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR WITH THE ENTERPRISE LEASES BECAUSE THEY WERE LESS THAN A MILLION DOLLARS MM-HMM . UM, PAYING THOSE OFF WITHIN FISCAL YEAR 25 WAS REALLY REASONABLE BECAUSE WE KNEW REALISTICALLY THAT WE HAD THAT MUCH CAPACITY STILL REMAINING IN THE BUDGET. AND I THINK WITH THE SMALLER ITEMS THAT'S LIKE I HAVE A FINE COMFORT LEVEL WITH THOSE. IT'S WHEN WE GET INTO THE BIGGER ONES AND I'M LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, ARE WE SURE? YEAH. BECAUSE WE JUST NEVER KNOW HOW AS MANY TIMES AS WE HEAR CAPITAL PROJECTS GET DELAYED, SOMETIMES WE ACTUALLY COMPLETE THEM A LITTLE EARLY AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE CAN HAVE BIG BILLS HIT AT THE END OF THE YEAR. AND I WOULD NEVER WANT US TO BE IN A POSITION OF LIKE, OH WOW, OOPS. YOU KNOW, NOT THAT I THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN, BUT THAT'S IN A LOT OF WAYS ONE CONSERVATIVE, OKAY, SO WHEN I ADD UP ALL THE GREEN DOT ITEMS EXCEPT FOR THE FY 22 POLICE VEHICLES THAT ARE AT A LOWER INTEREST RATE THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT WELLS, THOSE OTHER FIVE ITEMS I GET ADDING UP TO 881,339. SO LESS THAN A MILLION DOLLARS BETWEEN THE PRINCIPAL AND THE INTEREST. WELL, YOU DON'T PAY THE INTEREST WELL, RIGHT. IF YOU'RE PAYING THE PRINCIPAL, IS THAT AN ACCRUED INTEREST OR YEAH. IS THAT WHAT, WHAT'S THE PROJECTED REMAINING INTEREST PAYABLE? WE WOULD HAVE A, A TERMINATION CONTRACT. THERE WOULD BE SOME INTEREST. IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, BUT WE WOULD PAY SOME INTEREST. OKAY. SO MAYBE IT'S MILLIONS OF YEAH. NOT EVEN, THEY WOULD STILL LIKELY BE UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS, UM, BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T BE PAYING THAT FULL INTEREST. YEAH. YEAH. SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH SPENDING LIKE A MILLION OUT OF WHAT WE EXPECT IS 10 MILLION OF UNSPENT BUDGET OUT OF THIS FISCAL YEAR? KATHY? UM, I JUST WANNA, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE, AND WE'RE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT THAT FAVORITE EXERCISE OF OURS, OF SPENDING OUT THE, THE LEFTOVER MONIES FROM PAST YEARS. LET'S NOT FORGET THAT IT'S NOT ONLY ABOUT DEBT SERVICE. WE HAVE A RETIREMENT SYSTEM THAT WE WANT TO CONSIDER AS WELL FOR, TO PUT MONEY IN. SO THIS WHOLE POT, IF WE ARE GONNA GO THAT ROUTE, IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR ALL OF THIS. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT STAYED FRONT OF MIND. YEAH. AND KATHY, I WAS KIND OF THINKING THE, THE 25 SURPLUS, THE 5.5 MILLION, I WAS KIND OF THINKING THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD DO THE A SRS. WAS IT CPP PROGRAM? MEMORY? IT'S MY TLA FOR THE DAY. THIS IS 26 MONEY HE'S TALKING ABOUT. THESE ARE 26, BUT WE'RE RIGHT. BUT WE WERE ADDING UP THE I UNDERSTAND. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT JUST STAYED, AS I SAID ON THE TABLE. FAIR, MELISSA? UH, I WASN'T, UM, JOTTING DOWN THE NUMBERS, BUT YESTERDAY WE ALSO TOLD SEVERAL GROUPS THAT THEY SHOULD PROBABLY FUND PROJECTS THAT THEY HAD MM-HMM . FROM THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE THIS YEAR. AND THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED AS WELL. AND I'M ASSUMING STERLING OR SOMEONE OVER THERE IS, WAS DOTTING DOWN. OH, THEY TOLD 'EM TO GO SPEND $50,000 OR WHATEVER IT WAS WE SAID, UM, BECAUSE THAT HAS TO COME OUT OF THIS BUDGET, OUT OF THE 26TH BUDGET AS WELL. AND I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S CONTINGENCIES FOR EACH OF THOSE GROUPS THAT THEY CAN PULL FROM OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE PULLING FROM JUST SORT OF THE GENERAL FUND. I'M GONNA ASK JOSH, WE TOLD YOU TO, AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU WERE ONE. WAS THAT, IS THAT IN YOUR, IS THAT IN YOUR, UH, FY 26 CALCULATIONS IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE EXCESS. YOU SAID YOU COULD COVER THAT, RIGHT? I'M SORRY? FOR WHICH PROJECT? FOR, FOR FY 26. YES. WHEN WE SAID TO YOU YESTERDAY, UH, THAT WE HAVE EXCESS FUNDS THAT WE COULD COVER. CORRECT. WHICH, I'M SORRY, I MISSED SOMETHING. WHICH PROJECT? WHICH, WHICH PROJECT? IT WAS THE AMERICA TWO 50 STUFF THAT YOU WERE GONNA NEED TO SPEND SOME OF THAT MONEY BEFORE JULY ONE. THAT WAS THE QUESTION. YEAH. OKAY. BUT, BUT TONY, YES, TONY, WE GAVE DI DIRECTION IN THEORY TO THE SAME, TO DO THE SAME THING. AND [01:05:01] IT WAS MORE MONEY. IT WAS $90,000. BUT IS I QUESTION FOR BOTH OF YOU, IS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE ASKED TO PROJECT YOUR FY 26 SAVINGS, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKED TO DO, OR YOU KNOW, YOUR BUDGET SPEND IN FY 26, DID YOU INCLUDE THE 90,000 THAT YOU INTEND TO USE FOR THE PRIZES? SO WE INCLUDED THE 90,000 AS WHAT WE HAVE ASKED SINCE THEN IS WE DROPPED AN EMAIL TO STERLING WHO, UM, WHO HAS PUT THAT IN AS A CARRYOVER. SO WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. THE OTHER THING THAT YOU HAD SUGGESTED YESTERDAY WAS RELATED TO THE COSTAR DATA, UM, WAS THAT THE COSTAR DATA FOR THE UPTOWN CFA COULD BE FUNDED, UM, WITH YEAR FY 26 MONIES. AND THAT SHOULD BE A SMALL AMOUNT, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. HOW MUCH? UM, I DON'T KNOW, TO BE QUITE FRANK. OKAY. COSTAR REALLY LIKES THEIR DATA, UM, . SO, BUT ONCE WE HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THEM, WE CAN GIVE A BETTER ANSWER OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. UM, BUT YOU HAD ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR THE 90,000? YES. OKAY. YES. AND ALSO ON OUR END, UM, WE WILL BE VERY CLOSE TO SPENDING EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE BUDGETED FOR FY 26 AND BE VERY CLOSE TO THAT. IT WAS FOR THE AMERICA TWO 50. LIKE IF THAT COMES UP THAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND SOME OF THAT IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF, I'VE TALKED TO STERLING AND BARBARA ABOUT IT BEFORE AND IN THAT CITIZENS' BUDGET WORK GROUP THAT WE DO HAVE THE EXCESS FUNDS IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND FROM SOME CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SAVINGS THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO SPEND THERE. SO IT'S WORKING THERE MAGIC A LITTLE BIT, NOT NECESSARILY LEFTOVER IN OUR BUDGET. SO ARE, HAVE THOSE BEEN FACTORED INTO THE $10 MILLION BASICALLY? YEAH, WE DEFINITELY HAVE A LITTLE MORE THAN 10 MILLION IN, IN THE GAP BETWEEN THE TWO. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY ASSUMING. OKAY. THAT'S THE, THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION. SO FIVE GREEN DOTS PAID OFF TAKES US FROM A PROJECTED 10 MILLION TO MAYBE CLOSER TO 9 MILLION OF UNSPENT FUNDS. DO YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE ONE TOO? THAT DIDN'T HAVE A DOT, BUT SHOULD HAVE A DOT? IT'S NOT A GOOD FINANCIAL DECISION BECAUSE THE INTEREST RATE'S LOWER THAN WHAT WE GET ON MONEY IN THE BANK. OKAY. OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE FIVE DOTS VERSUS THE SIX DOTS? AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT WOULD BE ENERGY EFFICIENCY EQUIPMENT, MICRO TRANSIT VEHICLES, VECTOR TRUCK, DUMP TRUCK SLASH SNOWPLOW, MY FAVORITE. AND, UH, FY 24 POLICE VEHICLES. YES, WE HAVE CONSENSUS. YEAH. OKAY. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S DONE, MAYOR. YES. MAY I JUST SAY IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE A GOAL THAT MAYBE WE PAY OFF THAT SECOND SERIES FY 22, OR SORRY, SECOND SERIES 2022 BONDS, THAT'S 7.8 MILLION THAT, THAT MAYBE WE CAN KNOCK THAT OUT IN THE NEXT ONE OR TWO YEARS DEPENDING ON, UH, HOW UH, CASHFLOW CONTINUES TO COME IN FOR THE CITY. YEAH. AND ALSO INTEREST RATES. IF WE WANTED TO PAY SOME OF IT, BUT NOT ALL OF IT AND GET MORE FAVORABLE INTEREST RATES, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE AS WELL. WELL, AND SINCE WE WILL LIKELY BE LOOKING AT ISSUING DEBT FOR THE WASTEWATER PROJECTS IN THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR, AT THAT TIME, WE COULD ALSO LOOK AT CALLING AND REFINANCING THOSE AT A LOWER RATE AND PAYING OFF COMPLETELY SOME OF 'EM. AND WHEN DO YOU THINK WE WOULD BE DOING THAT? YOU DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S IN 27? THAT WOULD BE 28, RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S 27 TOWARDS THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR IN ORDER TO HAVE THE DEBT IN PLACE TO PAY FOR THE FISCAL 28, UH, CAPITAL PROJECTS. OKAY. SO IF WE DO THAT THEN AND WE WANTED TO RETIRE, YOU KNOW, HALF OF THAT 7.8 MILLION, THEN DO WE NEED TO BUDGET FOR THAT RIGHT NOW FOR FISCAL 27? BECAUSE WE'D ONLY BE HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD BE COMFORTABLE, ASSUMING WE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH UNSPENT BUDGET HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR TO COMMIT TO PAYING OFF THREE, $4 MILLION AT THAT POINT. WE WOULD, IF YOU WANT TO, TO PAY OFF AND NOT REFINANCE THE FULL AMOUNT, I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT ITEM TO, UH, ASSIGN BUDGET FOR THAT RIGHT NOW, CHARLOTTE, SHOULD WE BE MOVING TO A PBA? I DON'T WANNA FORGET THAT. DEBT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE TAKEN OUT. AND SO, WELL, NOT PBA YOU MEAN SHOULD HOME RULE FAIL? RIGHT? IT WOULD [01:10:01] BE A, OH, YOU MEAN THE STATE'S? OKAY. RIGHT. OH, THIS THE STATE, STATE A EL. YEAH. OR PREFERABLY A HIGHER ONE AT A, AT A, AT A LATER ELECTION. BUT ANYWAY, I MEAN, DEBT AT LEAST DOES NOT GO INTO THAT CALCULATION. SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE ABOUT RETAINING DEBT FOR A WHILE IN LIEU OF SPENDING CASH. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . GOOD POINT. MELISSA. I DON'T KNOW IF IT ENDS UP BEING A WASH, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE ON BASE, NOT PBA, IF YOU'RE ON BASE, YOU HAVE EV ALL THE MONEY, YOU DON'T, ALL THE MONEY YOU COLLECT, YOU CAN'T SPEND, IT JUST SITS IN THE BANK ANYWAY. RIGHT. SO WE WON'T HAVE CASH TO SPEND BASICALLY. I'M NOT ARGUING FOR THIS. I'M JUST SAYING TO BE CLEAR. SURE. DEBT DOESN'T COUNT WITH BASE, IT DOESN'T COUNT. YOU CAN, YOU HAVE TO PAY YOUR DEBTS. I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO SPEND THAT MONEY. RIGHT, RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING THAT THAT DOESN'T COUNT. BUT ANYTHING ELSE, WHEN WE SAY INSTEAD OF SPENDING OUR CASH, IT DOESN'T MATTER ALL OF THAT CASH GOES INTO THE BANK, SO RIGHT. WELL THE DRACONIAN OPTION IS UNACCEPTABLE , SO, BUT THAT'S ALL WE WOULD HAVE. IT WOULD BE OUR ONLY CHOICE. WELL, WE BE ACCEPTABLE, BUT IT MIGHT BE WHAT HAPPENS. IT COULD BE, BUT, BUT THERE MIGHT BE, I COULD, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UH, WE BUDGET FOR WHAT WE KNOW TODAY AND THEN IF THE ELECTION TURNS OUT THAT HOME RULE IS NOT APPROVED, I WOULD IMAGINE WE WOULD COME BACK TO, AT THE SERIES OF, UM, BUDGET CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT, UH, THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO DO. UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CREATE THAT SCENARIO TODAY, AND IT'S ALSO WON'T AFFECT THE FY 27 BUDGET AT ALL. SO IT WOULD BE PLANNING FOR FY 28. YEAH. BRENT, CHARLOTTE, YOUR POINT'S WELL TAKEN AND I APPRECIATE THAT. SO I THINK AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING OURSELVES ON A FORCED PATHWAY TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, RETIRING SOME OF THIS DEBT SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, OR WELL, NINE MONTHS FROM NOW, DON'T DO THAT. LIKE I WAS JUST MENTIONING A SECOND AGO. BUT RATHER, WE COULD BE IN A SIT, WE COULD BE IN A POSITION A YEAR FROM NOW WHERE WE'RE PLANNING WHAT TO DO WITH OUR 26 SURPLUS AND IT WOULD HAPPEN TO BE BASED ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, SOMEWHERE AROUND ENOUGH TO PAY OFF THAT 22 BOND IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO DO. AND WE WOULD HAVE COMPLETE FLEXIBILITY WHETHER TO DO THAT OR NOT, OR, OR IF IT WOULD GO INTO THE, UM, CPP THING OR, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER, WHATEVER. BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR POINT, UH, COUNSELOR AND, UH, AND I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I WAS OFF THE CUFF SAYING, HEY, SHOULD WE PLAN FOR LIKE, TRYING TO, UH, RETIRE THAT NOW? AND, AND AFTER WE ALL JUST TALKED ABOUT IT, I WOULD SAY NO, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN FLEXIBILITY. UM, AND IF WE REALLY WANT TO RETIRE THAT BOND SERIES, WE COULD DO IT A YEAR FROM NOW, MOST LIKELY. AND WE WOULD HAVE, UH, FULL VISIBILITY AT THAT POINT AROUND, UH, HOME RULE. IF WE HAD TO GO TO A ONE TIME OVERRIDE OR ANY OF THAT, LIKE WE WOULD HAVE FULL VISIBILITY ON THAT BY THE TIME A YEAR FROM NOW, BY THE TIME THE TENTATIVE BUDGET WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED A YEAR FROM NOW, WE WOULD HAVE VISIBILITY INTO ALL OF THAT. SO JOANNE, BEFORE YOU GET UP , IF WE WERE TO GO TO A O IF WE'D HAD TO GO TO AN OVERRIDE, THAT'S A MAY ELECTION, RIGHT? A MAY ELECTION, DID YOU SAY? MAY ELECTION? YES. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE IN THE SPRING OF NOT, I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE, MAY NOT MARCH. I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE, TO BE HONEST. I THINK IT'S IN MAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT PART OF MAY BE LIKE THE FIRST TUESDAY IN MAY? I DON'T KNOW. IT'S USUALLY EARLY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, I'M SORRY, I THINK WE HAD CONSENSUS FOR THE FIVE. BRIAN CALLED THEM OUT. CAN YOU CALL 'EM OUT AGAIN JUST TO SURE. ENERGY EFFICIENCY EQUIPMENT. YEP. MICRO TRANSIT VEHICLES. YEP. VECTOR TRUCK, DUMP TRUCK SLASH SNOWPLOW FY 2024. POLICE VEHICLES. THANK YOU. AND DID WE ASSIGN THAT TO THE FISCAL 25 BUCKET OR NO? THE FISCAL 26. BUCKET 26. OKAY. OKAY. NOW, DO YOU WANNA TACKLE 25? [01:15:01] DO YOU WANT TO GO INTO THE SURPLUS NOW OR DID YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE DECISION DECISION IMPACTS? END COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER? YEAH. YEAH, WE STILL HAVE THE SERVICE PROVIDERS IN THE OKAY. IN THE, UM, PACKETS. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. OH, THIS IS MY FAVORITE PART. OR LITTLE THUMBS. , GET OUT THE THUMB. I DON'T LIKE THE PHONES. SO, TALKING ABOUT THE DECISION DECISION PACKAGES. DECISION PACKAGES AND COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER FUNDING. UM, THIS IS THE SUMMARY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. A MEMO, PAGE 29 FOR YOU. AND I THINK YOU HAVE A, A SHEET ALSO THAT GOES INTO WHAT THE, THE REQUESTS ARE FOR EACH DECISION PACKAGE, WHETHER THE CITIZEN'S BUDGET WORK GROUP RECOMMENDED IT AND WHETHER THE CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDED IT AND AT WHAT TIER? SO THE, THIS THAT WE HAVE, THIS PIECE OF PAPER STARTS WITH THE TOURISM ADVERTISING CONTINGENCY, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S ON. OKAY. SO IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT ORDER. THEY ARE IN A DIFFERENT ORDER, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I SHOULD HAVE MADE SURE THEY, THEY WERE THE SAME TO MAKE IT EASIER. MINOR IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER ON THE, YOU GOT TO PAGE 29 IN YOUR MEMO, THEY'LL BE IN THE SAME ORDER. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN WHERE THAT WAS . IT WAS JUST EASIER TO GO GET IT . ALL RIGHT. SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TOURISM AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES, THE ADVERTISING CONTINGENCY, WHICH IS OPENING THIS UP FOR Y'ALL'S DISCUSSION, THE CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP AND THE CITY MANAGER BOTH RECOMMENDED FOR THIS, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER TO PUT IT IN THE ACTUAL BUDGET AS OPPOSED TO A CONTINGENCY. THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM YOUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION. YEAH. SOMEBODY WANNA LEAD THAT DISCUSSION. WHO HAS A, WERE WE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE THING BEING IN THE BUDGET OR WAS IT THE ONE 50? WELL, WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THAT. OKAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS NO, I THOUGHT WHAT WAS EVEN UP FOR DISCUSSION WAS THE ONE 50, BUT NOT ALL OF IT. NO, THE WHOLE THING. OKAY. OKAY. IT BASICALLY COMES DOWN TO DO YOU WANT THE SPENDING DECISION TO COME BACK TO COUNSEL FOR THE APPROVAL, WHICH IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF IT'S IN CONTINGENCY, IF IT'S BUDGETED DIRECTLY IN THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT BUDGET, THEN IT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE REQUEST UNDER, SO CERTAIN AMOUNTS ARE UNDER MY AUTHORITY. NO, YESTERDAY WE SAID THAT WHAT WE, SOME OF US SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THIS, THAT WE WOULD LIKE THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT, ANDREW, TO COME BACK AND, AND, UM, LAUREN TO COME BACK WITH THE TRIGGERS. AND IF THE TRIGGERS WERE MET, IF WE AGREED ON THE TRIGGERS AND THE, AND THE, UH, TOURISM DEPARTMENT SAID THAT THEY WERE MET, THEN THEY COULD SPEND THE MONEY AND THEY COULD TELL US HOW THEY WERE MET. THAT'S, I THINK, PRETTY MUCH THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD ABOUT THAT PIECE OF IT. YES. BUT I, I WAS THE ONE WHO WAS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT BECAUSE, UM, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN GET THOSE IN THE TIMING. UM, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A LOT FOR YOU TO PUT TOGETHER A POLICY ON THAT AND WHAT THE TRIGGERS WOULD BE. I MEAN, YOU TELL ME, LAUREN, BUT, UM, BEFORE WE'RE VOTING, AND IF I, I LOOK AT THAT HAPPENING AFTER FACT. SO FOR ME, I'M MORE COMFORTABLE STILL WITH THIS BEING A CONTINGENCY. SO IT DOES COME FORWARD TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION. I THAT I, THOSE CONCERNS OF MINE COULD BE LAID IF WE HAD THE POLICY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE IT IN TIME TO PUT THIS INTO THE BUDGET NOW. SO I AM, UNTIL I HEAR OTHERWISE TO THAT FACT, I'M STILL A PROPONENT OF KEEPING THIS AS A CONTINGENCY. THE ONE 50 OR, UH, THE 300, WELL, IT'S NOT ALL, IT'S NOT ALL THE SAME THING. THEY HAD IT DIVIDED UP, RIGHT? ONE 50 WAS A CONTINGENCY, 100 WAS FOR YEAR ROUND, HIGH NET WORTH MARKETING, AND 50 WAS FOR, UH, OPPORTUNISTIC MARKETING OPPORTUNITIES FOR EVENTS GOING ON DOWN IN THE VALLEY. OKAY. UH, OKAY. BUT BEFORE THAT, LET'S ASK LAUREN TO WEIGH IN. WHAT'S THE QUESTION? THE QUESTION IS, CAN YOU COME BACK TO US [01:20:01] WITH THE, UH, TRIGGERING, YOU KNOW, MECHANISM LAID OUT SO WE COULD APPROVE IT, WHICH WOULD THEN ALLOW YOU TO SPEND YOUR CONTINGENCY WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL? BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE LAID OUT THE CRITERIA FOR SPENDING IT. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU THINK YOU COULD DO IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS? THAT WOULD ONLY MAKE SENSE FOR THE ONE 50? FOR THE ONE 50? YEAH. SO THE 50 FOR EVENTS ADVERTISING, NOW THAT, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE AKIN TO THE ONE 50 IN THAT, THAT MIGHT OP, THAT OPPORTUNITY MIGHT COME UP QUICKLY. YOU KNOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN WE REALIZE WHAT'S HAPPENING, AN EVENT GETS SCHEDULED, IT'S IN PHOENIX, IT'S GONNA BE BIG. UM, AND WE WANNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. SO, SO THAT ONE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRIGGER WOULD BE EXCEPT THERE'S AN EVENT IN PHOENIX AND IT'S HAPPENING AND WE WANNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, AND IT'S, IT'S DURING OFF OFF SEASON. UM, AND THEN FOR THE HUNDRED, UM, MY PLAN WAS TO COME TO YOU IN AUGUST AND SAY, UM, HERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DATA AND INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE ON THIS HIGH NET WORTH AUDIENCE. ARE YOU WILLING TO LET ME SPEND A HUNDRED K? UM, THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE, THE CAMPAIGNS, RIGHT? SO ARE YOU WILLING TO LET ME KIND OF KEEP THAT ALWAYS ON CAMPAIGN TO THAT HIGH NET WORTH AUDIENCE WITH THE THOUGHT OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT, THAT SPEND LOTS OF MONEY IN OUR DESTINATION, WE WANT THEM, WHETHER THEY'RE COMING IN MARCH OR APRIL OR JUNE OR DECEMBER. SO YES, I CAN COME TO YOU WITH TRIGGERS IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS. UM HMM. MAYOR, IS THAT FOR THE MAY I KNOW AGENDA BUDGET MEETING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, TO BRING IT BACK AT THAT TIME, AGENDA BILLS ARE DUE ALMOST A MONTH AHEAD OF TIME. SO THAT'S, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? YEAH. MM-HMM . SO PARTICULARLY KATHY, YOU KNOW, CAN WE BREAK THIS INTO THREE AND DO THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN ABOUT HOW WE APPROACH EACH OF THE THREE MM-HMM . SO IN THE MATTER OF THE 150 CONTINGENCY, KEEP IT CONTINGENT UNTIL A TRIGGERING PROGRAM OR, YOU KNOW, SET OF RULES IS IN PLACE FOR US TO THEN THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN. CORRECT? AND IF IT TURNS OUT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT IN TIME FOR THE MAY TENTATIVE BUDGET, GREAT. BUT IF NOT, THEN IT'LL, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO IT BY THEN, THEN IT COULD ACTUALLY MOVE OFF OF CONTINGENT. BUT ASSUMING SINCE IT'S ALMOST A MONTH IN ADVANCE, YOU'RE ALREADY OUT OF TIME, ESSENTIALLY. SO CHANCES ARE THIS WILL GO CONTINGENT ONTO THE FY 27 BUDGET, BUT DURING THE YEAR, WE MAY HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND THEN IT'S APPROVED, AND THEN HOPEFULLY FUTURE YEARS, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN. I DON'T THINK IT EVEN HAS TO BE FUTURE YEARS. IF WE APPROVE THE TRIGGERING, THEN WE MOVE IT OUT OF CONTINGENCY INTO THEIR BUDGET, IT'S STILL IN THE BUDGET. MM-HMM . SO CAN I SIMPLIFY THAT? SO BASICALLY IT STAYS AS CONTINGENCY UNTIL WE HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION ? SURE. OKAY. SO IS THERE A THUMBS UP ON THAT'S THE ONE 50. THAT'S THE ONE 50, RIGHT? SO IS THERE A THUMBS UP ON THAT? OKAY, SO THEN A THUMBS UP. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. PETE, I SEE PETE WITH A THUMBS UP IN THE, OKAY. IN THE TEAM. THANK YOU, PETE. OKAY, SO THEN HE, IS THAT THE GOOD ARM OR THE BAD ARM, PETE? NO, . ALL RIGHT. SO THEN THE SECOND ONE IS THE A HUNDRED K FOR HIGH NET WORTH INDIVIDUALS, AND THE, I'M GOING TO SUGGEST WE MOVE THAT INTO THE BUDGET NON-CONTINGENT. I AGREE. I DISAGREE. OKAY, SO IT'S SIX ONE. WHAT'S, OH, PETE, WHAT IS PETE IS THUMBS UP. OKAY. SIX ONE. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN THE FINAL IS THE 54 SPECIAL EVENTS COMING UP. UH, JUST PUT THAT INTO THE BUDGET. YES. YEAH, I'M FINE WITH, OKAY. PETE'S GOOD WITH THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S SEVEN. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU CLEAR WITH WHAT WE DID, LAUREN? I AM, I'M, I'M, UH, GOING TO BE WORKING AS FAST AS I CAN TO BRING BACK THE DISCUSSION ON, UM, THE TRIGGERING. YEAH, I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW ME, IT'S NOT MY STYLE TO WRITE A SHORT AGENDA BILL, BUT, UM, MAYBE I JUST, UH, SHAKE THINGS UP AND I WRITE A SHORTER AGENDA BILL, KNOWING THAT IT'LL FLESH ITSELF OUT, UM, BEFORE THE, THE MEETING. SO I'LL WORK ON IT WHENEVER, YOU KNOW, AS FAST AS I CAN DO IT. WE CAN, IF WE PROVE THE TRIGGERING POINTS, WE CAN MOVE IT OUT OF CONTINGENCY AT ANY TIME. OKAY. IS THAT TRUE, BARBARA? YES. OKAY. YES, ABSOLUTELY. GREAT. THANKS. PRESSURE'S OFF? YEAH. . OKAY. OKAY, NEXT ONE, WHICH, WHICH WOULD YOU LIKE TO LOOK AT NEXT? WE HAVE [01:25:01] WEBSITE UPGRADES, CITY MANAGER'S, OFFICE, TECHNOLOGY ENHANCEMENTS, WEBSITE UPGRADES FOR $75,000. ONE TIME COST. WE'RE PUTTING OUR THUMBS UP OR DOWN, PETE. OKAY. HE'S A THUMBS UP. SEVEN. THUMBS UP. SEVEN. OH, NEXT ONE WE HAVE IS TECH SUPPORT. FTE. THAT WAS THE POLICE, IF YOU REMEMBER. WELL, THE, IT DEPART. YEAH, IT'S RIGHT. UH, PETE, PETE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR, UH, YEP. OH, HE'S GOT HIS THUMBS UP, HIS THUMB. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. GOT IT. SEVEN. OH. UM, THE NEXT ONE WE HAVE IS SUSTAINABILITY PLANS MANAGEMENT PLATFORM. AND THAT'S 10, THAT'S 8,000 IN ONE TIME WITH A 10,000 ONGOING FOR 18,000 TOTAL. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 18,000 TOTAL, IF IT'S ONGOING, BUT IT'S YEAR'S YEAR AND THEN 10,000 ONGOING, SO, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. LOOKS, DO YOU HAVE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PETE, OR NO, HE'S PUTTING HIS THUMBS UP. OKAY. SO WE'RE A SEVEN. OH, ON THAT. THE NEXT ONE WE HAVE IS COURTS SPECIALIST. AND I'LL CLARIFY, I PUT TIER TWO ON THERE AS LIKE I WOULD FUND IT IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN DOING THE FULL MEAL DEAL. BUT IF THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF ADS, THEN THAT WOULD BE ONE I WOULD WAIT ON. SO I DIDN'T SAY AN ABSOLUTE NO, I JUST PUT IT AT A LOWER PRIORITY COURT SPECIALIST. OH, WE HAVE, I WANNA ABSTAIN. YOU CAN'T ABSTAIN, BUT YOU CAN VOTE NO. ONE, TWO, WHAT WERE YOU PETE, PETE, YOU UP, THUMB UP. YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, I'D JUST LIKE TO THROW IT OUT THERE ON THIS ONE THAT I, I, I'M INTERESTED IN SUPPORTING THE JUDGE. HE'S STILL NEW AND ADMITS THAT I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO HEAR HIM COME BACK TO US, WHETHER IT'S AN OPEN SESSION OR PART OF A MANAGEMENT DISCUSSION AND EXECUTIVE SESSION AND GIVE US HIS SIX MONTH REPORT AND THEN HIS ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHY IT'S TIME TO FILL THIS OR, OR NOT AT SOME POINT. YEAH, I, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S OKAY. HANG ON A SECOND. SO PETE, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE TIME THIS ONCE THERE'S BEEN A SIX MONTH REPORT BEFORE WE RELEASE THE FUNDS FOR HIM TO LOOK, OR IS ON JULY ONE WE RELEASE THE FUNDS? YES. I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE HEAR BACK FROM THE JUDGE WAIT, BEFORE WE APPROVE, BEFORE THE, BEFORE HE COULD SPEND APPROVING IT, BUT JUST NO, HE'S APPROVING. DON'T RELEASE THE FUNDS RIGHT BEFORE HE CAN SPEND, HE'S SAYING INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, BUT DON'T AUTHORIZE THE HIRING UNTIL YOU'VE HAD YOUR SIX MONTH CHECK-IN. OKAY. SO WE HAD, LET'S JUST DO A THUMBS UP. WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO A THUMBS UP ON WHETHER TO APPROVE IT AND THEN WE, IF IT GETS APPROVED, IT GETS APPROVED. IF NOT, WE'LL DO IT ON THE HOLDING BACK THE MONEY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. SO THE FIRST THING IS, DO YOU APPROVE IT FULL SPEED? I THINK I'D WAIT. 1, 2, 3 ING INTERESTING. THREE AMP TWO, WHAT DO YOU GOT? I MEAN, HE IS A THUMBS DOWN, THUMBS DOWN. OKAY. UH, APPROVE IT WITH ONLY SIX MONTHS. SEE, I WITH, DON'T YOU DIAMOND WITH A, ARE YOU ASKING, LET ME SEE IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY. PETE IS SAYING HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SIX MONTH, LIKE WHERE THE JUDGE PERCEIVES THE COURT TO BE AFTER HIS FIRST SIX MONTHS. NO, HE'S SAYING DON'T RELEASE THE MONEY UNTIL THE JUDGE COMES TO US AFTER SIX MONTHS. RIGHT, RIGHT AFTER HIS SIX MONTH REPORT, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE JUNE OR JULY. BUT HE'S SAYING PUT IT IN THE BUDGET, BUT DON'T HIRE UNTIL THIS REPORT GETS WELL, LET'S ASK PETE WHAT HE SAID. CORRECT. HE'S NODDING. I'M SAYING THAT'S, BARBARA SAID IT EXACTLY RIGHT. OKAY. SO YES, SHE CAN SEE HIM. THAT'S A QUESTION TO THAT. YEAH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT COMPLETELY. WHY, WHY CAN'T WE ADD THESE FUNDS TO CONTINGENCY SO THAT THEN IF A POSITION GETS APPROVED, IT, WE CAN TAKE IT OUTTA THAT TO FUND THAT POSITION? IS THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING THAT THIS, WE'RE NOT PUTTING THE CONTINGENCY IN IN COURT BUDGETS. WE WE'RE JUST DOING ONE CONTINGENCY. THAT'S A REAL CONTINGENCY. I'M JUST SAYING ADD TO THE OVERALL PART, KNOWING THAT WE CAN DRAW FROM IT. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT A CONTINGENCY PER DEPARTMENT, I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST, WHAT, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO KIND OF LIKE THE VACANCY RATE DISCUSSION WE HAVE. I BELIEVE THE JUDGE THINKS THE POSITION IS RIGHT. I DON'T THINK HE'S FINISHED THE CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER YET. I DON'T THINK HE'S FINISHED THE CONVERSATION WITH HIMSELF YET. BUT I WANNA SEE IT IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA GO IN THERE. I JUST DON'T WANT HIM HIRING IT UNTIL HE'S FINISHED CROSSING THE [01:30:01] T'S AND DOTTING THE I'S WITH US. I MEAN, HE TOLD US HE HAD FINISHED THAT. WELL, I THINK WE, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE KNOW THAT THERE'S OTHER THINGS GOING ON AS HIS DEPARTMENT AND HE NEEDS TO COME BACK AND TALK WITH US ABOUT IT. SO I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUE OR MECHANICAL QUESTION, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT. IF THE POSITION GETS BUDGETED, HE HAS THE, HE COULD GO AHEAD AND HIRE IT. I MEAN, HOW CAN WE CON NO, HE CAN CONSTRICT THOSE HANDS. YOU CAN, YOU CAN SAY, WE WANT THIS REPORT FROM THE COURT BEFORE WE YEAH. RELEASE THESE FUNDS. WE'RE GOING TO AUTHORIZE THEM IN THE OVERALL BUDGET, BUT WE'RE GONNA HOLD THIS, THIS CONTROL. RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT CALLED CONTINGENCY, IT'S JUST, YEAH. I NEED TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT THAT IS. SO MAYOR, CAN YOU CALL THE QUESTION AGAIN FROM THE START OF WHO IS IN FAVOR OF JUST, OF PUTTING THE MONEY INTO THE BUDGET SAYING YES TO THE REQUEST AS IT'S BEEN REQUESTED. OKAY. WHO'S IN FAVOR OF PUTTING THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET AND AUTHORIZING THE JUDGE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HIRING THE ADDITIONAL CLERK? WHO'S THE YES. OKAY, SO WE GOT 1, 2, 3, 4, AND PETE, WHO'S DOWN IS DOUBT. OKAY, SO IT'S FOUR THREE. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I DO THINK WE WANT THE JUDGE TO COME BACK AND GIVE US A SIX MONTH REPORT, WHICH WOULD BE SOMETIME IN JUNE. BUT DON'T WE STILL HAVE TO PUT THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET IF WE'RE GONNA LET HIM DO THE MONEY? IT'S IN THERE. YES. YES. WE JUST VOTED TO DO THAT. WE, WE JUST VOTED YES ON THE DECISION PACKAGE. OH, YOU JUST SAID WE HAD FOUR NOS AND ONE NO, FOUR YES. NO FOUR YESES. NO FOUR. THIS WHEN, WHEN IT WAS REDONE AGAIN, YOU HAD FOUR YESES. OKAY. BRIAN, THREE NOS. YEAH, I'M, I'M STILL THINKING THAT. I, I WOULD LIKE FOR HIM TO, TO, TO TELL US THAT THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER BEFORE WE GIVE HIM ANOTHER PERSON INTO THE MIX, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT MAKE THINGS WORSE. OKAY. JUST, JUST THINK ABOUT THIS. IF WE ASK HIM TO COME BACK IN JUNE, THE MONEY'S IN THE BUDGET, BUT WE DON'T LIKE THAT CONVERSATION. WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, PUT IN SOME CON INTO THE WE CAN, WE CAN PAUSE ON IT. YEAH, WE CAN PAUSE ON IT. IS THAT, SO WHO IS GONNA COMMUNICATE TO THE JUDGE? WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT. WOULD YOU DO THAT? ANNETTE? YEAH. OR BARBARA. OKAY. MAYOR, WHO WERE THE FOUR YESES PLEASE? UH, CHARLOTTE, MYSELF, BRIAN, AND, AND, UM, DEREK, THANK YOU. MM-HMM . SORRY, I THOUGHT IT WENT THROUGH AND I THINK WE ALL WANNA GIVE IT TO HIM. IT'S JUST ABOUT HOW IT'S HANDLED. MM-HMM. OKAY. THE NEXT ONE WE HAVE ON OUR LIST IS MINI STREET SWEEPER. SO THE QUESTION ABOUT THIS ONE WAS STILL ABOUT THIS STREET SWEEPER VERSUS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF AN ELECTRIC ONE. AND I THINK WE HEARD SOME PRETTY GOOD REASONS WHY THE ELECTRIC IS NOT THE WAY TO GO AT THIS POINT, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY, I THINK THE POINT IS EITHER WAY YOU NEED THE MONEY IN THERE FOR A STREET SWEEPER, WHICH I SUPPORT A STREET SWEEPER, I'M STILL NOT CONVINCED THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT THE ELECTRIC BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND THE DEPARTMENT'S CONCERNS, UM, THEY MAKE VERY GOOD SENSE. BUT IF WE DON'T EVER GET STARTED, AND I'LL MAKE THE SAME, UM, ARGUMENT WHEN WE GET TO THE PATROL VEHICLE, IF WE DON'T START GOING ELECTRIC AT SOME POINT, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET TO ELECTRIC. SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S JUST, UM, I'M STILL INTERESTED IN EXPLORING THE ELECTRIC, BUT I SUPPORT THE PURCHASE OF A STREET SWEEPER. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE 500,000, NOT TWO 50 AS WE WERE TOLD YESTERDAY. SO, AND, AND ANNA, AND WHILE I HEAR 360, YOU SAID IT WAS DOUBLE, SORRY, . THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, THE DIESEL TO THE ELECTRIC WAS ESTIMATED AT 60,000. THAT DIFFERENCE IS DOUBLE. SO IT'S NOT THE OVERALL COST BEING DOUBLE, IT'S THE DIFFERENCE. OKAY. SO OR 360, WHAT IS THE AMOUNT? YEAH, IT WAS LIKE 360. BUT YOU KNOW, WHILE I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, KATHY, AND WHILE I DO SUPPORT THE POLICE VEHICLE, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER, THAT'S THIRD GENERATION. THEY HAD, UH, STEPHANIE, THERE WAS ONE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE NAME. THEN THERE WAS THE TESLA, AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT MODEL. SO THEY'VE HAD SEVERAL GENERATIONS AND TRIED AND TRUE, AND NOW WE FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE THAT THIS IS A POLICE VEHICLE. BUT IN THE ONE THAT I HEARD YESTERDAY FROM KURT AND ANDY [01:35:01] WAS THAT THE ELECTRIC SWEET STREET SWEEPER WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN TESTED. YOU WANT TO JUST COME UP AND REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID? THANK YOU, KURT. YES, YOU'RE CORRECT, MAYOR. IT'S A FIRST GENERATION THAT WE UNDERSTAND. UH, FOR THE STREET SWEEPER SUSTAINABILITY'S INPUT WAS, WELL, THE POLICE VEHICLES ARE GONNA BE USED DAILY. THIS IS GONNA TO BE USED ON, YOU KNOW, FORTNIGHTLY EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS BASED ON NEED FOR A MUCH SHORTER DURATION AS WELL, WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON I THOUGHT IT'S A GOOD TEST VEHICLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO DEPEND ON DAILY. UH, YOU CAN WORK A SCHEDULE ROUND AND IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, IF, AGAIN, MY POINT, IF WE DON'T GET STARTED, WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET TO THE END. AND I THINK ANDY'S POINT WAS IT'S THE PURCHASE PRICE OF 360, BUT NOW WE HAVE TO HAVE SPEND EXTRA FOR THE CHARGER FOR ALL THOSE COMPONENTS. WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE COMPATIBLE TO ELECTRIFY AMERICA. ALL THOSE KIND OF DETAILS WOULD HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT. BUT WE WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO WHAT THE COUNCIL DIRECTS. SO IF WE WANTED ELECTRIC, HOW MUCH MONEY SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT? I, I GUESS IF YOU WANT ELECTRIC, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE 360 NUMBER 360. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THAT INCLUDES WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT A CHARGING STATION AND ALL THAT, BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN JUST PLUG IT INTO ONE OF THE CAR CHARGERS THAT'S GOING IN THERE. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD YESTERDAY. YEAH, I GUESS THERE'S SOME NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAR, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF IS THERE AN ADAPTER THAT WORKS FOR THAT OR NOT, BUT I WOULD THINK THERE WOULD BE . WHAT'S THE LIFE, COULD YOU TELL ME AGAIN WHAT WHAT'S THE EXPECTED LIFETIME OF THIS? WE'RE, WE'RE PROJECTING 12 YEARS ON THAT. SO IN 12 YEARS IT MIGHT BE THE TIME TO, OR, OR IF WE DECIDE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN, WE WANT TO SELL THIS ONE AND GET AN ELECTRIC. BUT THERE'S SUSTAINABILITY STANDING THERE FOR, UH, FOR THE HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES, UH, IN PARTICULAR FOR WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN GET IT AT THE ELECTRIFY AMERICA STATION. UM, THE SIZE OF THAT MINI SWEEPER IS GONNA BE A BIT OF A CHALLENGE TO BE ABLE TO STATION IT AT, UH, A TRADITIONAL PARKING LOT LOCATION. UM, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE BIGGEST CONCERN ON MANEUVER MANEUVERABILITY OF THAT, THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. SO SEPARATE CHARGING STATION WOULD BE IN, LOOKED TO BE INSTALLED AT WHERE THEY WOULD STATION AND PARK THAT VEHICLE. SO WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY YESTERDAY, BRYCE, WAS THAT THE HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES WERE NOT AS FURTHER ALONG. YES. UM, WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES AS LIKE CHEVY BLAZERS AND TESLAS AND THE, LIKE, THEY'VE BEEN USED MUCH MORE FREQUENTLY AND HAVE GONE THROUGH ITERATIONS OF THEM. THE HEAVY DUTY SIDE OF THINGS ISN'T AS FAR ALONG WITH IT. UM, AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A BIT OF THE, THE COST PARITY, UM, GAP IS INCREASED, UH, BECAUSE THOSE, THOSE BATTERY, UH, PACKS AND THE TECHNOLOGY FOR THE HEAVY DUTY EQUIPMENT HASN'T QUITE NARROWED AS MUCH AS WE'VE SEEN WITH THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE SIDE OF THINGS. UM, AND THEN THAT MAKES THAT, SINCE THEY HAVEN'T HAD THOSE ITERATIONS, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE QUESTION MARKS ON HOW WELL THEY PERFORM IN, IN, UH, REAL WORLD SITUATIONS THAT PUBLIC WORKS WOULD USE THEM IN. THANK YOU. PRICE. OKAY. SO LET'S DO, UM, THE THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN ON THE MINI STREET SWEET REST PROPOSED. CAN I, CAN I ASK YOU? YEAH, YEAH. WOULD YOU MIND REVERSING THAT ORDER? UH, BECAUSE IF I'M GONNA VOTE FOR A STREET SWEEPER, OKAY. I PREFER THE ELECT. YOU GOT MY POINT, RIGHT? YEAH, I GOT YOUR POINT. OKAY. RIGHT. SO WHO WANTS TO VOTE FOR AN ELECTRIC SWEEP STREET SWEEPER AT A $360,000? PETE IS AN NO NO. OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT'S 6 1 6 1. OKAY. WITH KATHY BEING THE ONE WHO, OKAY, NOW WE'RE MOVE TO THIS STREET SWEEPER FOR 250,000 AS PROPOSED. PETER IS A THUMBS UP. OKAY. SO THAT'S SEVEN ZERO. OKAY. UH, THAT WAS A HARD ONE. PRE-APPROVED DUPLEX AND TR AND TRIPLEX HOUSE PLANS AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE COMPETITION. ISN'T IT 125? DID, DID, DIDN'T. IS THIS NOT THE ONE THAT WE MOVED INTO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET? NO, THIS IS LOOKING AT THE WRONG ONE. OKAY. THIS IS THIS. YEAH. PETE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? IS THAT ON THE SLIDE IN FRONT OF US OR IS THIS ON A DIFFERENT SLIDE? UH, IT'S RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE WEBSITE UPGRADES. IT'S THE SECOND [01:40:01] LINE. SECOND THAT YOU FOUND IT. THANK YOU. OH, I'M GOOD. OKAY. SO THAT'S SEVEN ZERO, JOE. THANK YOU. NEXT ONE WE HAVE ON OUR LIST IS PART-TIME. OH, THE BIKE PAD COORDINATOR, MAINTENANCE WORKER FROM PART-TIME TO FULL-TIME. SO ON THIS ONE, I I, I'D LIKE TO ASK IF, IF IT DOESN'T PASS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT IN SUPPORT OF IT AND TRY AGAIN RATHER THAN WASTE EVERYONE'S TIME WITH MY FOUR POINT ARGUMENT AT THIS POINT. OKAY. LET'S SEE WHERE WE ARE. READY TO VOTE. OKAY, WE'RE 3, 2, 3. YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT. PETE. OH, HE'S A THUMBS UP. HE'S THE FOUR. SO IT'S FOUR TO THREE, BUT FOUR TO THREE. HE'S FOUR. THREE AGAINST? NO, FOUR. NO, FOUR. FOUR, FOUR. WHO'S A THUMBS UP? I KNOW, BUT IT WAS FOUR IN FAVOR AND THROUGH THE, OH, OKAY. I GOT IT. YOU'RE GOOD. MM-HMM . YOU WERE UP. YES, I WAS UP. WHO? OKAY, SO IT'S FOUR, THREE WITH KATHY, DEREK, AND MELISSA AGAINST. AND I JUST WANNA SAY I AM, I'M ONLY AGAINST THE IDEA BECAUSE WE, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE NOT RESOLVED THE TRAILS PARKING VERSUS THE TRAILS AND SO MM-HMM . I, I JUST WASN'T COMFORTABLE VOTING FOR A ROLE THAT FEELS LIKE THERE'S SOME DUPLICATION OF ROLES STILL. AND I THE SAME EXACT REASON. OKAY. UPTOWN CFA PROFESSIONAL DESIGN SERVICES 125,000. BUT, BUT THIS IS AN ADJUST, IT SHOULD BE AN ADJUSTED NUMBER, RIGHT? BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE SOME OF THAT INTO FISCAL 26. ALRIGHT. OH, BUT WE, HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW MUCH. YES, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. UM, WE'VE PUT IN AN EMAIL TO COSTAR, UM, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE AMOUNT, EXACTLY WHAT THE AMOUNT IS. AND I'M SORRY, THIS IS ONE WHERE I CAN'T EVEN GIVE YOU A PROFESSIONAL BEST GUESS. SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT WE, WE ENDED UP PUTTING IN THE BALLPARK. I WOULD EXPECT IT'S GONNA BE IN THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. UM, BUT IN THE FY 27 OR THE TOTAL, WELL WITH THE, FOR THE COSTAR DATA THAT, THAT YOU HAD SUGGESTED MOVING FORWARD INTO FY 26. SO, UM, SO WE WOULD STILL BE LOOKING AT, IN THE BALLPARK OF, UM, 75, 80 $5,000 THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT INTO PROJECTS WITH THE, WITH THIS FIGURE. IS THAT, DO YOU THINK YOU'LL KNOW BY THE MAY BUDGET MEETING? YES. YES. SO THEY'LL GET BACK TO THIS QUICKLY. JUST A REMINDER, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE SETTING THE MAXIMUM AND YOU CAN ALWAYS GO DOWN AT THE MAY MEETING. SO IF WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION, WE CAN REDUCE IT. THAT'S GREAT. BEFORE WE GO THERE, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, BARBARA STERLING, UM, WE SAID WE WERE GONNA MOVE SOME AMOUNT OF THIS INTO THE BUDGET THAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLAY. A, COULD YOU MOVE THE WHOLE 1 25 INTO THE BUDGET SO THAT IF HE GOT HIS COSTAR DATA EARLY AND WANTED TO TRY AND FIGURE SOME THINGS OUT WHILE THEY WERE DOING THE PLANNING THAT HE'D HAVE THAT FUNDS, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ALL OF THIS MONEY FOR THIS AT SOME POINT. THE QUESTION IS, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TO PUT INTO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET AND I'M JUST WONDERING, AGAIN, WE CAN CHANGE IT IN MAY, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT WE EVEN HAVE THAT FUNDING IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. WE HAVE AMBLE FUNDING IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO COVER IT. I THINK THE CHALLENGE OF LIKE TAKING THIS OUT OF 27 WOULD BE THAT IF ANY OF THE EXPENDITURES HAPPEN IN 27, THE ACCOUNTING RULES SAY THEY HAVE TO BE PAID IN 27, EVEN IF THEY'RE STARTED IN 26. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME CARRYOVER. BASICALLY WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME CARRYOVER. OKAY. BUT WE'LL KNOW IN MAY HOW MUCH WE CAN REDUCE THIS. OKAY. YES. SO LET'S VOTE ASSUMING 125 AND THEN WE CAN ADJUST. OKAY. PETE IS A THUMBS UP. OKAY, SO WE'RE SEVEN OH, ON THAT NEXT ONE, 250TH CELEBRATION AND SAME THING. IT'S THE SAME THING. WELL, WELL I WAS GOING TO, LET'S VOTE AND THEN I, I WANNA, OKAY, SO WE'RE SEVEN OH ON THAT, BUT I WANTED TO SUGGEST THAT WE KEEP THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN THERE, EVEN IF THE CELEBRATION WINDS UP BEING LESS MONEY TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT MAY COME OUT OF THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION. BECAUSE SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT CAME OUT OF THE TOURISM DISCUSSION WERE TO HAVE MORE EVENTS FOR RESIDENTS AND THOSE ARE NOT DEFINED. [01:45:02] BUT I THINK, JOSH, YOU SAID YESTERDAY MAYBE THE TWO 50 WOULD BE 6 55 TO 60. THAT WOULD GIVE US, LET'S SAY 40. 40 TO 45,000 FOR SOME NEIGHBORHOOD OR EVENTS OR PICNIC OR SOMETHING. YEP. GOOD WITH THAT? MM-HMM . OKAY. THAT'S ENOUGH. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. MY CONCERN ACTUALLY IS THAT'S NOT ENOUGH AGREE WITH THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, EVENTS AREN'T CHEAP. UM, AND SO WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO BE FAIR TO JOSH HERE AND SAY 40,000, HOW MANY EVENTS ARE YOU GONNA GET? AND HE'S PROBABLY GONNA COME BACK AND SAY TWO. RIGHT? SO, UM, JUST, JUST, WE SHOULD JUST BE AWARE OF THAT. AND REMEMBER WE ARE SETTING UP A $5 MILLION CONTINGENCY. YEAH. SO, OKAY. AND WE DON'T HAVE VACANCY SAVINGS. REMEMBER? THEY WILL BE SO . OKAY, THE NEXT ONE THAT WE HAVE IS POLICE DEPARTMENT EV PATROL VEHICLE. AND I SPOKE TO THE CHIEF YESTERDAY AND , SHE SAID IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, I SUGGESTED MAYBE IT WOULD BE HER CAR IN THE FUTURE. JOKING. SAID, HALF JOKING, HALF JOKING, QUARTER JOKING. , WE'LL SELL IT. JOKE. YEAH. OKAY. SO EV, POLICE VEHICLE, SORRY, BEFORE VOTING. UM, CAN SOMEBODY HELP ME REMEMBER LIKE THE, THE, THE WORKING GROUP WAS A NO, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WAS UNANIMOUS. IT WAS NOT UNANIMOUS. AND UM, I BELIEVE YOU, YOU ALL HEARD FROM ON THE 15TH, LANCE WALDROP, WHO'S ONE OF MM-HMM . WHO'S OUR VOLUNTEER MM-HMM . IN, YOU KNOW, POLICE FLEET AND ALSO WAS ON THE WORKING GROUP. AND HE SPOKE IN FAVOR OF THE VEHICLE. UM, HE DID THE TESTING FOR THE PD. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT IT. UH, CHIEF, BUT I DO REMEMBER THAT FROM THE 15TH. GOOD AFTERNOON. OH, IT'S STILL MORNING. YAY . UM, SO, UH, LANCE DID TEST IT AND WE HAD IT FOR ABOUT TWO WEEKS AND THEN I BELIEVE TWO OR THREE OTHER OFFICERS DROVE IT AROUND. THE ONLY THING THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO TEST IS IT DIDN'T HAVE THE WEIGHT CAPACITY THAT THE PATROL VEHICLE WOULD HAVE. IT DIDN'T HAVE THE LIGHTS AND THE OTHER ELECTRICAL DRAW, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO ACTUALLY BE IN THE VEHICLE, MOVE IT AROUND AND PLUG IT IN TO, TO TEST IT THAT WAY. AND YOU'RE RECOMMENDING IT CORRECT ME? YES. DEPART. I DIDN'T HAVE A, I DIDN'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION PART TO ANY OF THIS. MY, UM, CONVERSATION WITH POLICE CENTERED AROUND, UH, AND SUSTAINABILITY IN MY REVIEW TO RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD IS ALONG THE LINES. I THINK I JUST HEARD COUNSELOR GONZALEZ SAY THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT, UM, ENACTING AND FOLLOWING THROUGH ON OUR POLICY, OUR STATED POLICY OF TRANSITIONING OUR FLEET TO EV AS WE GO, UM, EVENTUALLY WE DO NEED TO TRY ONE FOR PD AND FIND OUT IF IT'S REALLY GONNA WORK OR NOT. IF IT'S NOT, THEN WE SHOULD PUT AN EXCEPTION IN THE POLICY. UM, 'CAUSE I THINK THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. UM, I THINK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS NEUTRAL AND WILLING TO BE A TEAM PLAYER AND TRY IT OUT, BUT THEY ALSO, OF COURSE WANT TO HAVE EQUIPMENT THAT'S, THAT THEY CAN RELY ON. SO I THINK I WOULD CALL IT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S. NEUTRAL. WELL SAID. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THAT'S YOUR POSITION. THAT IS OKAY. THAT, THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS, SO THANK YOU BARBARA. OKAY, AND CHIEF, SO WE READY TO VOTE? YES. OKAY. DOWN. WHAT'S PETE DOING UP? PETE IS A THUMBS UP. OKAY. SO WE'RE SIX ONE WITH DEREK VOTING AGAINST IT, AND NEXT ONE IS HAZARDOUS WASTE. I WOULD, CAN I JUST WEIGH IN ON MY VOTE? I DO NOT THINK WE SHOULD BE PUTTING, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE USING UNPROVEN TECHNOLOGY ON PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLES, AND I DON'T, AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TRANSITION OUR POLICE FLEET TO ELECTRICAL. UM, YOU KNOW, IF A NORMAL CITY VEHICLE LOSES ITS CHARGE AND CAN'T MAKE IT OUT TO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY IS GENERALLY NOT AT RISK. UH, POLICE VEHICLES ARE DIFFERENT. IT'S A PROVEN TECHNOLOGY. IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT. UM, I THINK WE SHOULD NOT BE LOOKING TO TRANSITION THE POLICE, UH, VEHICLES [01:50:01] OVER. AND IF WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT, THEN I DON'T SEE THE POINT IN HAVING THIS VEHICLE THAT'S JUST EXPLAINING MY VOTE. CAN YOU JUST ASK FOR CLARIFICATION? THIS IS ONE OF HOW MANY VEHICLES, POLICE VEHICLES NOT. YEAH, SO I'LL JUST, IT'S TWO PART. SO WE WERE ADDING THIS AND NOT SUBTRACTING ONE THAT'S IN OUR OTHER PART OF THIS YEAR'S BUDGET FOR THE, THE SEVEN TO GET, BECAUSE IF IT DIDN'T WORK OUT, WE DIDN'T WANT TO, UM, HANDCUFF OURSELVES TO NOT HAVING EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD WORK. SO IT'LL BE ONE OF, ARE YOU ASKING FOR JUST MARCH UNITS? FOUR VEHICLES FOR THE, YOU ARE USING THIS AS A PATROL SERVICE. OKAY. SO IT'LL BE ONE OF LIKE 30. ONE OF 30. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT I'M HOPING THAT GIVES YOU MORE COMFORT. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. UH, THE NEXT ONE IS THE HAZARDOUS WASTE DOOR TO DOOR COLLECTION. JUST SPEAK TO US. YEAH. S SO I'M, I'M NOT AGAINST ANY OF SUSTAINABILITY'S PILOT PROGRAMS, BUT I AM CONCERNED, I DON'T UNDERSTAND ENOUGH ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GONNA WORK, RIGHT? SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE HAZARDOUS WASTE OR DOOR COLLECTION'S GONNA WORK. HOW PEOPLE CAN, WHO CAN CALL IN, WHO CAN'T CALL IN, HOW'S THAT GONNA PLAY WITH THE, THE, UM, THE ACTUAL EVENT? I JUST, I FEEL A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE JUST BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH. SO I'M WILLING TO SORT OF GO AHEAD AND, AND VOTE FOR THESE. BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE FLESHED OUT, UM, BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY LIKE RUN WITH IT, SO TO SPEAK. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT PLAYS WITH ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET, BUT I, I DO WANNA SAY I WANNA BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION. AND I WOULD ECHO, UM, MOST OF WHAT YOU SAID IN TERMS OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS. SO I, AS I SAID, UM, THE OTHER DAY, I SUPPORT SUSTAINABILITY'S EFFORTS TO BE INNOVATIVE AND TRY THESE NEW THINGS AND PILOT AND SEE HOW WE CAN ACHIEVE AND KEEP MOVING FORWARD ON OUR PLAN GOALS. UH, WE ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, REGULAR SUSTAINABILITY WORK SESSIONS AND UPDATES TO COUNCIL. AND IF COUNCIL APPROVES THE FUNDING OF THESE CONCEPT IDEAS, WE COULD CERTAINLY HAVE BRYCE COME BACK WITH THE PROGRAM DESIGN AND LET YOU KNOW HOW IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA WORK, UM, BEFORE THEY GET STARTED. UM, AND I THINK HE DID HEAR AND TAKE TO HEART SOME OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THE, UH, BUDGET WORK GROUP ON, YOU KNOW, PRICE PER ITEM AND HOW WE MOVE THAT AROUND IN TERMS OF THE LOGISTICS WITH, UM, TRANSPORT PICKUP, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS, BUT CAN I, CAN I TAG ONTO THAT AS WELL? SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP, UM, BRYCE AND I IS, UH, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE UNDER THE, THE THRESHOLD OF, UM, LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN ANNETTE'S SPENDING AUTHORITY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THESE THINGS BROUGHT BACK AND SPECIFICALLY FOR THE, UM, KIND OF THE, THE LOW INCOME CONCEPTS THAT BRYCE WAS TALKING ABOUT. I, I DIDN'T HEAR CONSENSUS YESTERDAY ON WE WANT THIS FOR EVERYONE OR WE WANT THIS FOR ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD, UM, TO DO THINGS OTHERWISE. UM, AND KIND OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT, WHAT'S THE GOAL? IS IT TO GET EVERYONE TO PARTICIPATE REGARDLESS OF YOUR INCOME? IS IT JUST TO REALLY HONE IN ON, UM, THE LOWER INCOME, UM, POPULATION? THOSE SORTS OF THINGS WOULD HELP US AS WE'RE FIGURING OUT HOW TO DEVELOP IT. THANK YOU. LAUREN, MAY I ASK WHO, WHO WAS SPEAKING JUST THEN? LAUREN? SORRY. PETE. THANK YOU. I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THE VOICE. CAN I ALSO TAG IN HERE? SURE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, I TOO SHARE THESE CONCERNS PROBABLY MORE SO EVEN ON THE COMPOSTING PROGRAM THAN ON THE HAZARDOUS WASTE. I KNOW WE'VE TRIED, THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF ISSUES AND I'M A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN TO SOLVING THE ISSUES WE'VE HAD WITH THE TRAFFIC AND LINEUP AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF ON HAZARDOUS WAYS. SO, BUT I'LL JUST ADD HERE, THE COMPOSTING ONE. UH, I NEED A LOT MORE INFORMATION HERE. THIS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OFTEN A, THERE WAS AN OLD PHRASE ABOUT, UH, YELLOW PAGES GOVERNMENT, MEANING THE GOVERNMENT SHOULDN'T DO THINGS YOU CAN FIND IN THE YELLOW PAGES. AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHAT THE GOALS OF THE COMPOSTS FROM DOOR TO DOOR ARE. WELL, LET'S TAKE 'EM SEPARATELY. YEAH, CHARLOTTE. SO, UM, LAUREN, TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT IF THERE ARE GENERAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE MEANS TESTING ASPECT OF IT, UM, I HAVE [01:55:01] A, I HAVE A GENERAL CONCERN ABOUT THAT. AND ASIDE FROM, WELL, I HAVE A GENERAL CONCERN ABOUT IT, ASIDE FROM JUST THE EFFICIENCY, WHICH IS NOT COMPELLING TO ME, OF GOING DOOR TO DOOR FOR EITHER HAZARDOUS WASTE OR COMPOST, BUT THE MEANS TESTING, IT WAS COMPARED TO THE ENERGY RETROFIT PROGRAM WHERE SOMEONE'S COMING IN YOUR HOUSE AND GIVING YOU SOMETHING. I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT BEING TARGETED AT LEAST INITIALLY FOR, UM, LOWER INCOME. BUT IF I'M GIVING YOU MY BANANA PEELS AND COFFEE GRINDS OR MY USED BATTERIES AND I HAVE TO PROVE TO YOU WHAT MY INCOME LEVEL IS, THAT JUST SEEMS OVERLY BURDENSOME. I JUST, IT'S INTRUSIVE AND I JUST DON'T LIKE IT PERSONALLY. BRIAN? UH, I WOULD ECHO THAT. I MEAN, PILING ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID, COUNCILOR HOSSAINI, LIKE, AND SOMEBODY'S GOT IT ON THE STAFF SIDE, HAS TO ADMINISTER THIS MEANS TESTING. LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S NOT CREATING VALUE. SO I SUPPORT HAZARDOUS WASTE. I'D RATHER SEE US HAVE ANOTHER, UH, COLLECTION EVENT. I LIKE THE EVENTS, LIKE EVEN THOUGH THE TRAFFIC'S HORRENDOUS, LIKE IT'S REALLY BAD. UM, BUT IT DOES BRING ATTENTION TO IT. I LIKE THAT IT'S A COMMUNITY EVENT IN THAT REGARD. SO I WOULD RATHER SEE THAT THOSE THINGS STAY EVENT OR, YOU KNOW, TO A CENTRAL LOCATION, UH, RATHER THAN DOOR TO DOOR AND CERTAINLY NOT MEANS TESTED. KATHY. I THINK THE OVERALL PURPOSE OF A PROGRAM LIKE THIS, AND BRYCE WILL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS TO DIVERT STUFF FROM GOING INTO JUST YOUR EVERYDAY GARBAGE WHICH ENDS UP IN A LANDFILL. UM, THAT'S THE OVERALL PURPOSE. SO TO ME, THE, AND THAT I WAS ASKING MY QUESTIONS YESTERDAY, I HOPE I DIDN'T GIVE A WRONG IMPRESSION. I WAS ASKING ABOUT, UH, MEANS TESTING BECAUSE I GENERALLY OPPOSED TO THAT FOR THESE KIND OF THINGS. SO JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, BUT I WAS ASKING THEM IN A NEUTRAL WAY. UM, BUT THERE ARE PROGRAMS I DO THINK NEED MEANS TESTINGS. I PRETTY MUCH AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID, COUNCILOR HOSSAINI. UH, BUT I, THIS, THE GOAL OF THIS IS JUST TO DIVERT THIS STUFF AND IF THIS MAKES IT EASIER TO DO THE DOOR TO DOOR. IF SOMEBODY'S NOT GONNA GO TO A COLLECTION EVENT BECAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, DON'T HAVE A BIG PRINTER OR A BIG SCREEN TV OR WHATEVER, AND THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THAT DECISION, THROW THESE THINGS IN THE GARBAGE, I'D RATHER THESE THINGS NOT GO IN THE GARBAGE. SO I THINK IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, THIS PROGRAM, AND WE'LL SEE IF IT WORKS OR NOT, I NEVER WANNA SAY ON RECORD THAT $50,000 IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY. THESE THINGS ARE RELATIVE, BUT RELATIVE TO OUR BUDGET, SUSTAINABILITY BUDGET AND THE WORTH OF THE PROGRAM, IT'S PROBABLY NOT A LOT OF MONEY. SO I SUPPORT THIS. SO WHEN WE DO ANDY, UH, KURT, WHEN WE DO THE CURB, THE COLLECTION, YOUR PHONE, OH, MY PHONE IS RINGING, BUT IT'S SILENT. SO THAT'S WHAT YEAH, IT'S TOUCHING THE MIC. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. OKAY. OKAY. UH, WHEN WE DO THE CURB COLLECTION FOR TREE LIMBS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE GO DOOR TO DOOR. RIGHT. HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO WE ACTUALLY BASE, UH, OUR, OUR SCHEDULE AND, UM, HOW WE DO THE PICKUP ON THE, THE SAME, YEAH. THE SAME ZONES AS OUR EVACUATION ZONES. SO WE ROTATE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THREE ZONES AT A TIME. YES. YEAH. AS, AS WE GO FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE END, WE ROTATE THROUGH THOSE ZONES AND, AND SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MAKE AVAILABLE TO EVERY RESIDENT. CORRECT. AND IT'S CURBSIDE, SO WE ASK THEM TO PUT IN THE CURB AND SOME NEIGHBORS COMPILE IT TOGETHER AND SO ON. SO IT'S KIND OF A FREE FORM IN THAT REGARDS, BUT, AND WE'RE FINDING MORE AND MORE PARTICIPATION AS WE'RE GOING ALONG. AND SO THAT COULD BE A MODEL MM-HMM . SIMILAR MODEL TO THIS HAZARDOUS WASTE. YEAH. AND WE'VE BEEN, WE'RE QUITE, UM, PROUD OF IT AND IT'S BEEN A SUCCESS. WE'VE, WHEN IT FIRST ROLLED OUT, WE HAD, UH, TONS OF QUESTIONS, WHAT ZONE AM I IN? HOW AM I GONNA KNOW, WHAT CAN I GO? AND IT SEEMS EACH YEAR IT'S, IT'S DROPPING DOWN CONSIDERABLY. LIKE NOW I DON'T THINK I CHECKED WITH CELESTE AGAIN, BUT IT'S A HANDFUL OF PHONE CALLS. SO IT'S REALLY COMING TOGETHER, UH, AS A FULL PROGRAM. THANKS, KURT. MAY I ADD SOMETHING AS WELL? JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. THE, THE WHOLE REASON THAT BRYCE PUT THIS IN HERE WAS BECAUSE THE REALITY IS WE DO NOT HAVE A GOOD LOCATION FOR THE CENTRALIZED, UM, PICKUP OR THE CENTRALIZED COLLECTION EVENTS. AND SO WE'RE GONNA DO ANOTHER ONE HERE, UM, IN MAY. AND IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS USUALLY THAN OUR FALL COLLECTION EVENT, WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE, [02:00:01] UH, WE'LL HAVE LESS TRAFFIC ISSUES. BUT, YOU KNOW, BRYCE HAS REALLY MOVED THIS AROUND TO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS TRYING TO TEST WHERE CAN WE DO THIS TO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF COMPLAINTS BECAUSE THE EXPERIENCE WAS SO BAD TO DO IT. SO I THINK HE SEES IT AS A TWOFOLD WHEN YES, IT'S, IT HOPEFULLY INCREASES OUR, UM, HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE COLLECTION, BUT MOSTLY IT'S SO THAT WE CAN AVOID THE FACT THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE A GREAT PLACE TO STAGE AND QUEUE A WHOLE BUNCH OF CARS FOR THIS SORT OF THING. SO THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE, UM, I, I GUESS THERE ARE A COUPLE ALTERNATIVES. WE COULD TRY ANOTHER EVENT LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND SEE IF THAT DISPERSES THE, UM, THE PINT UP NEED OF, OF DROPPING THINGS OFF. THAT'S, THAT'S ONE RISK. AND THEN, UM, OR WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHERE WE COME TO YOU AND HOPEFULLY, UM, TAKE SOME OF THOSE ITEMS SO THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT ALL WAITING, UM, AT THAT FALL EVENT TO DROP EVERYTHING OFF. THANK YOU LAUREN. OKAY, WE READY TO VOTE? YES. ALRIGHT, SO WE WERE ACTUALLY HAZARDOUS WASTE DOOR TO DOOR COLLECTION. PETE IS A THUMBS UP. OKAY. SO IT'S 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. SO 5, 4, 3 AGAINST THE AGAINST IS NO, FIVE TWO, I THINK IT WAS 4 0 5 2, RIGHT? I CAN'T, IT WAS MY MATH. OKAY. DO THE AGAINST AGAIN. , BUT AGAIN, BRIAN AND, UM, CHARLOTTE AND CHARLOTTE AGAINST, AND, AND AGAIN, NOT THAT I'M AGAINST MM-HMM . THE COLLECTION. IT'S, I BELIEVE IN A CENTRALIZED EVENT WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT. SAME THING. KEEP, KEEP DOING IT, BUT JUST NOT DOOR TO DOOR. OKAY. NAU PARTNERSHIP, CHARLOTTE. OH, OKAY. SEVEN. OH, NEXT ONE IS DOOR TO DOOR COMPOSTING PILOT PROGRAM. PETE IS A THUMBS DOWN. I I JUST, AGAIN, FOR ME THUMBS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, THIS IS A BUSINESS THAT PEOPLE PAY FOR. LIKE I, I PAY FOR THEIR COLLECTION AND SO IF I'M PAYING FOR THEIR COLLECTION, SUDDENLY I CAN GET THE CITY TO PAY FOR MY COLLECTION THEN. UM, IT JUST, IT JUST FEELS LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING NOT QUITE RIGHT HERE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE CAME INTO THE, WELL, IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD THE COMPOSTING PROGRAM, THEN THE CITY WILL PAY FOR THE COMPOSTING PROGRAM FOR YOU IN ORDER FOR YOU TO NOT THROW STUFF INTO THE LANDFILL. UM, SO IF THIS IS LIKE EVERYONE SHOULD GET THE COMPOSTING PROGRAM, THEN IT JUST FEELS LIKE I'M, I FEEL LIKE THE CITY IS NOW PAYING FOR EVERYONE WHO COULD PAY. THEY'RE TAKING OVER THE RESPONSIBILITY OF, OF PAYING FOR THE COMPOSTING. IT'D BE ONE THING IF THERE WAS A CENTRALIZED COMPOST PLACE THAT THE CITY RAN THAT I WENT AND DUMPED ALL MY STUFF AS OPPOSED TO I'M SUPPOSED TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT SO THAT, SO THAT THE COMPOSTING COMPANY'S ONLY PICKING FROM ONE SPOT AND MAY BE ONLY ONE MASSIVE THING INSTEAD OF ONE BARREL PER PERSON. SO I, I'M, I'M JUST OBVIOUSLY I BELIEVE IN COMPOSTING. I JUST BELIEVE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE SHOULD BE DOING SOME KIND OF SCREENING AS TO WHO IS PARTICIPATING IN THIS FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE. QUESTION. YEAH. UM, FOR BRYCE OR LAUREN, THE, THE $20,000 FOR THIS PROGRAM, UH, IS ESTIMATED BECAUSE OF THE ANTICIPATED VOLUME AND THE VOLUME IS ANTICIPATED BECAUSE MEANS TESTING WOULD BE A PART OF IT. IS THAT RIGHT OR WRONG? SO THE, UH, ESTIMATE THAT IS, UH, PROVIDED FOR THE, UH, COMPOSTING SIDE OF THINGS IS, UH, THERE'S A FLAT RATE FOR A SETUP FEE AND THEN THERE'S A FLAT RATE THAT'S JUST BASED OFF OF, UH, THE PICKUPS ON THE BIWEEKLY PICKUP FOR THE RESIDENT. IT'S NOT BASED ON LIKE A, A SHEER AMOUNT, UM, FOR IT. UM, IT'S CONVERSELY WITH, UH, WASTE SIDE OF THINGS, UH, OR HAZARDOUS WASTE THAT, THAT THOSE PRICING, UH, MEASURES ARE INDICATIVE OF LIKE THE SHEER AMOUNT THAT'S COLLECTED. SO, UM, FOR THE COMPOSTING COMPONENT, UM, IT'S A FLAT RATE THAT'S, THAT'S INCLUDED, UH, IN OUR PRICING PROPOSAL THAT'S IN, THAT'S IN THAT 20,000. WHAT THE MEANS TESTING PIECE IS, IS, UM, THAT I MENTIONED AT A COUPLE OF THE, FOR A COUPLE OF THE OTHER PILOTS IS THAT IF COUNCIL'S DIRECTION WAS THAT YOU WANTED, UH, A SCREENING COMPONENT WITH THAT WE HAVE, WE COULD INCORPORATE A MEANS TESTING THAT'S SIMILAR TO [02:05:01] OUR HOME ENERGY RETROFIT PROJECT. AND THAT PROJECT HAS A, A, A CAPPED LEVEL AS WELL THAT GOES FROM A A HUNDRED DOLLARS ENERGY AUDIT UP TO A $5,000, UM, SERVICE, UH, PROVIDED FOR IT. BUT THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY A CAPPED COMPONENT. SO, UH, FOR THE COMPOSTING PIECE, IT'S A CAPPED PRICE THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT WE WOULD SCREEN WHETHER OR NOT. SO IF, IF 50 PEOPLE PARTICIPATE OR 200 PEOPLE PARTICIPATE, IT'S STILL A $20,000 PROGRAM, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES. UH, 'CAUSE IT, IT'D BE THE CAPPED COSTS ARE, UH, PER, UH, HOUSEHOLD THAT'S PARTICIPATING IN IT. OKAY. YOU ALSO SAID THAT WE GIVE THEM A FEE REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, RIGHT? THERE'S A, SOME CERTAIN AMOUNT WE HAVE TO GUARANTEE. SO THE, IT'S BASED ON, UH, THE FEE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY ASSOCIATED WITH IS THAT THERE'S A A $25 SO BIWEEKLY PICKUP FEE FOR THE MONTH AND THEN THERE'S A ONE-TIME FEE FOR LIKE THE SETUP OF THE EQUIPMENT FOR THEM. UM, FOR THE PRICING THAT'S IN THIS, IT'D BE THAT THOSE PRICES OVER THE AMOUNT OF MONTHS THAT WE'RE, UH, ANTICIPATING, UM, TO BE ABLE TO LAUNCH IT, WE DID VOTE. WE COULD VOTE AGAIN NOW THAT THERE'S MORE INFORMATION IF YOU WANT. SO WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE COMPOSTING DOOR TO DOOR PILOT. OH YEAH. I'M GONNA CHANGE MINE. PETE IS STOLE A THUMBS, PETE'S FOR IT AGAINST. OKAY. SO IT'S SEVEN OH AGAINST, SORRY. UH, RESIDENTIAL TREE PLANTING PROGRAM. WE VOTING . I GUESS WE'RE VOTING UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS. I CAN'T SEE PETE, HE HASN'T DECIDED YET. I WAS WONDERING IF, I WAS WONDERING IF ANYONE'S ASKING ANY QUESTIONS. I'M STILL NOT SURE ABOUT THIS. WHY DON'T WE JUST FIND TREES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, YOU KNOW, UNDER OUR CONTROL AND JUST DO IT IF WE WANT TO PLANT TREES? WELL, 'CAUSE SOME OF IT'S ON PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, . THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WHY DON'T WE JUST FOCUS ON WHAT WE CONTROL? LET'S PLANT TREES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. THEY SHOULD BE ALONG THE SIDEWALKS. I MEAN, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THANK YOU. BUT CLARIFICATION DO THAT THOUGH. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT, I MEAN, THERE MIGHT BE SOME AREAS WHERE IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT SHADE IN TERMS OF HEAT ISLAND. SO THEREFORE YOU MIGHT WANT A CONCENTRATION THAT WOULD INCLUDE SOME RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA. RIGHT. MY 2 CENTS THAT I, BUT I I, I STILL THINK WE SHOULD FOCUS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE CAN CONTROL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S RESIDENTIAL TREE PLANNING PROGRAMS EVERYWHERE. YOU HAVE BUY A CAR THESE DAYS, YOU CAN GET A TREE. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE MAKING THIS SO DANG COMPLICATED, EXPENSIVE. I, I'M SUPPORTING OF RESIDENT OF RESIDENTIAL TREES. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS THE BEST STRUCTURED PROGRAM. SO FOR THE, UM, PLANTINGS ON, UH, ROADWAYS RIGHT AWAYS SHARED USE PASSING LINE, UH, WE ARE DOING THAT WITH PUBLIC WORKS, UM, AND IDENTIFYING LOCATIONS FOR THAT. THIS WOULD BE AN EXTENSION OF THOSE EFFORTS TO BE ABLE TO GET IT DIRECTLY TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS AT THEIR HOUSEHOLDS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE THAT IMPACT OF NOT JUST DOING IT ON CITY PROPERTIES, BUT GETTING IT INTO THE COMMUNITY SPACES AND RESIDENTIAL SPACES. BRIAN? I I, I'M STILL WHERE I WAS THE OTHER DAY OF, I, I LIKE THE IDEA, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR, UM, BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO PARTNER IN THIS FOR VISIBILITY AND PROMOTION THAT THEY'RE HELPING, UH, WITH THIS, UM, AND MAKE IT MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIKE THAT. UM, SO I'M GONNA VOTE NO AS IS, BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE AN ALTERNATIVE COME BACK DURING THE YEAR FOR WHICH WE, YOU KNOW, MIGHT WELL HAVE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO DO SOMETHING DURING THE YEAR. STILL. I AGREE WITH BRIAN ON THAT. I LIKE TREES. I JUST THINK THE COST OF PER IS EXCESSIVE. I, I'M GONNA VOTE YES, BUT IT'S A VERY SQUISHY YES. AND BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT IN THE BUDGET, BUT I, I WOULD, BEFORE IT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE PROGRAM AT ALL ASPECTS OF THE PROGRAM. BUT WE'LL SEE IF WE HAVE ENOUGH VOTES FOR A YES. OKAY. READY TO VOTE? PETER'S A DOWN. OKAY, SO FOUR DOWN. 1, 2, 3. SO IT'S FOUR, THREE AGAINST. AND THE THREE AGAINST, OH, THERE'S THREE. FOUR ARE MELISSA, UH, KATHY AND MYSELF. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I SEE AS, UM, AND THAT IS ALL OF THEM DECISION PACKAGES. SO IS THERE ANYTHING WE MISSED? MAY I ASK A QUESTION? [02:10:01] SURE. UH, FOR THE DOOR TO DOOR, UM, HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE, THAT IS IN ANNETTE'S PROCUREMENT, UM, THRESHOLD, DO YOU WANT TO SEE THAT PROGRAM AND ITS DETAILS COME BACK TO YOU? OR DO YOU FEEL GOOD ENOUGH FOR US TO IMPLEMENT IT KNOWING THAT BRYCE, UM, THE HAZARDOUS WASTE PROGRAM, WHAT DO YES. THE, THE DOOR TO DOOR? WELL, I THINK YOU SHOULD, THE 50,000. YEAH. I THINK IT'S NOT A CONTINGENT ITEM. I HATE TO USE THAT WORD BECAUSE IT MEANS SO MANY THINGS. YES. YOU CAN MOVE AHEAD, BUT WE'D LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THE PROGRAM. SO IN OTHER WORDS, FOR APPROVAL COUNCIL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME FOR APPROVAL, BUT COUNCIL NOT TO SPEND THE MONEY, BUT CORRECT. TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM. YOU WOULD LIKE US TO BRING THAT BACK? AM I HEARING THAT? NO, WE'D, NO, WE'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE PROGRAM. BUT YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND IMPLEMENT IT THROUGH AN EMAIL OR THROUGH A COUNCIL UPDATE. NO, IT WAS VOTED ON. YES. APPROVED. YES. NOT WITH ANY CAVEATS. GREAT. BETTER WORD THAN CONTINGENCIES. MM-HMM . NOT WITH ANY CAVEATS, BUT HAVING SAID THAT, WE WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IT. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT DEPENDENT. YES. OKAY. CHARLOTTE. BUT I THINK IT IS A PRESENTATION. SHE'S ASKING YOU IF IT'S AN EMAIL OR A PRESENTATION. I THINK IT IS AN INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION. PROBABLY IN A SUSTAINABILITY UPDATE YOU CAN TOUCH ON. RIGHT, RIGHT. NOT SEPARATE. GREAT. THANK YOU. DID WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE MEANS TESTING ASPECT OF IT, THOUGH? WE SAID NO MEANS TESTING. OKAY. THEN THE, WE APPROVED IT, BUT NOT AS WRITTEN. AH, VERY GOOD POINT. IS IT WRITTEN AS MEANS TESTED? YES. I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS. NO, I DON'T THINK IT WAS EITHER. IT'S NOT. BRYCE IS SHAKING HIS HEAD. IT'S NOT. THAT WAS SOMETHING HE WAS GONNA PUT IN IF IT WAS A CONCERN TO US. YEAH. WE, WE DIDN'T WRITE IT IN AS MEANS TESTING. IT WAS JUST IF COUNCIL WANTED THAT, WE COULD ADD THAT INTO IT. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE'RE CLEAR, BRIAN, FOR A FUTURE SUSTAINABILITY PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL. I'D LOVE TO SEE IF THERE'S INTEREST IN THIS. I'D LIKE TO HEAR THOUGHTS AROUND VENDORS THAT ARE ALREADY COVERING ALL OF OUR STREETS OR PORTIONS OF OUR STREETS AND HOW THEY COULD BE UTILIZED FOR HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE OR JUST OTHER THINGS THAT HELP OUR COMMUNITY. SO TAYLOR WASTE IS COVERING ALL OF OUR STREETS EVERY WEEK. WASTE MANAGEMENT'S COVERING OUR STREETS EVERY WEEK. UH, I DON'T KNOW WHO DOES THE, UM, THE GREEN WASTE PICKUP, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW IF, IF WE'VE LOOKED AT THOUGHT ABOUT HOW ANY OF THOSE VENDORS COULD BE PULLED IN TO PROVIDE ANY OF THESE SERVICES. LEVERAGING THE FACT THAT THEY'RE ALREADY COVERING OUR STREETS. AND, AND YES, I KNOW THAT HOUSEHOLD, UH, TRASH WET WASTE, YOU KNOW, IS IN A 96 GALLON BIN BEING DUMPED, YOU KNOW, MECHANICALLY. SO NO, YOU'RE NOT GONNA THROW YOUR TELEVISION IN THERE, UM, OR YOUR HAZARDOUS WASTE IN THERE. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE ISN'T SOME, UH, LOGISTICS SYNERGY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S OF INTEREST TO EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN LEVERAGE SOME OF THESE, UH, VENDORS THAT ARE ALREADY IN OUR COMMUNITY ALL THE TIME. CAN I JUST BE CLEAR? SO THIS, UH, EXERCISE ADJUSTED OUR BUDGET BY 124,000. IS THAT CORRECT? NO. YES. ALRIGHT. FOR ALL OF THEM? NO. 104,000. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THIS IS, THIS IS JUST ADJUSTING THE BUDGET. 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T APPROVE TWO THINGS, RIGHT? IT'S ALL IN THE BUDGET ALREADY. BUDGET, I UNDERSTAND. SO, BUDGET, THE BUDGET HAS BEEN REDUCED BY 104,000 IS, WELL, IT'S NOT IN THE BASE, BUT IT IS IN THE LIKE YEAH. IF YOU DECIDE, AND YOU CAN TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH EXACTLY WAS APPROVED. SO THE, THE, THE 94,661 IS NOW REDUCED BY 104, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S MY QUESTION. NINETY FOUR MILLION NINETY SIX MILLION NINETY SIX MILLION SIX HUNDRED AND SIXTY ONE THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED NINETY SEVEN IS NOW REDUCED BY 104,000. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. I COULD GIVE YOU THE, SO YOU'RE GOING FROM, UM, IF EVERYTHING WAS APPROVED, EVERYTHING WAS APPROVED BACKING OUT. UM, SO THE TOTAL BUDGET, INCLUDING CIP IS 94,000,833. 936. THAT'S WITHOUT COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER CONTRACT INCREASES OR REVIEWING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. UH, THE TOTAL DECISION PACKAGES APPROVED IS 1 MILLION 458 9 63. SO THE, SO YEAH, TOTAL BUDGET 94 8 33 9 36. TOTAL OPERATING BUDGET. 60,000,404. NO, JUST GIMME THE TOTAL AGAIN, THE TOTAL IS 94 8 33 9 3 6. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE NINE WHAT? SIX? UH, 9 3 6 9. THREE SIX. AND THAT'S WITHOUT COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER CONTRACT INCREASES OR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. BUT WAIT A MINUTE, BUT, OKAY. I'M SORRY, BUT I WANNA BE CLEAR ON THIS. BUT THE, BUT [02:15:01] ON THE SLIDE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SUMMARY SLIDE? YEAH, THE RECAP SLIDE. UM, AT THE BEGINNING, THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH AT THE MOMENT. 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T ALREADY ADDED ANYTHING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS ON. SO THE NUMBER ON THAT SLIDE SHOULD NOW BE REDUCED BY WHAT WE, BY JUST WHAT WAS TURNED DOWN. 'CAUSE THOSE NUMBERS WERE ALL ANTICIPATED IN THAT FINAL NUMBER. AND THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 378,000 IN CHANGES THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN ROLLUP, UH, CHANGES THAT HAPPENED. WHAT, I'M SORRY, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU. YEAH. THE CHANGES BETWEEN PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AND COMING TO YOU OVER THE LAST TWO DAYS, WE HAD THE ADDITIONAL THINGS LIKE 149,000 FOR FUEL, UM, GIVEN THE STRAIGHT OF AND A FEW OTHER ITEMS TAKE, SO THE 94 661 9 9 7 SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN, OR THE NUMBER WE SHOULD NOT BE WORKING WITH NOW WAS NOT NINE THAT NUMBER. YEAH, THAT NUMBER HAS CHANGED SINCE THE ROLLUP WITH OTHER BUDGETARY ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED BETWEEN THE ROLLUP AND THESE WORK SESSIONS. SO I THINK COUNSELOR KINAL IS JUST TRYING TO RECONCILE, OKAY, WHERE ARE WE AT NOW? MM-HMM . WITH THE DECISION PACKAGE, UM, CHOICES, AND I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY A NUMBER. MM-HMM . THAT WOULD REPLACE THAT 94.6 MILLION NUMBER AT THIS POINT NUMBER. YEAH. THAT WOULD REPLACE THE NUMBER WOULD BE, WELL, THAT'S INCLUDING DECISION PACKAGES. UM, SO, SO 104 COMES OFF OF THAT. SO HOW, HOW ABOUT THIS, THE, I UNDERSTAND, I'M TRYING TO GET TO THE FINAL NUMBER. OKAY. SO IT'S THE 92.2, THE FY 27 BASE BUDGET PLUS THE CIP OF THE 33 MILLION PLUS THE ADJUSTMENTS YOU, THE SMALL ADJUSTMENTS YOU MENTIONED, WHICH WERE 300 SOMETHING, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND THEN THE NET OF THE DECISION PACKAGES THAT WERE JUST APPROVED EQUALS 94 8 3 3 9 3 6. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THEN WE CAN GO TO 9 4 8 3 3 4 9 3 6. I'M SORRY, SHE TALKED OVER 94 90 4,833,000 NINE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SIX NINE. BUT DID YOU JUST SAY THAT DID NOT INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDERS? THAT'S WITHOUT THE COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDERS. WE HAVEN'T MADE THAT DECISION YET. THAT'S NOT UP NEXT, RIGHT? YEAH. SO I THINK COUNSELOR KIN LIKES TO KEEP A RUNNING TOTAL. I DO. YEAH. , MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. COULD I JUST ASK BACK TO THIS SHEET ON THE FIRST TWO ITEMS, THE TOURISM AND ECONOMIC ECON INITIATIVES AND THE CITY, OR FOR THE, UM, TOURISM STRATEGIC PLAN AND THEN THE TECHNO, THE WEBSITE UPDATES. WERE THOSE BOTH YESES? SEVEN TO ZERO? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT THE, THERE'S NUANCES AROUND THE TOURISM. JOANNE? YEAH. THANK YOU JOANNE. YES. THERE'S NUANCES AROUND. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. NAILED IT. OKAY. ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE, TO BREAK ? YOU WANT A BREAK ELSE? OKAY, WE'LL TAKE A BREAK. THANK YOU. COULD I JUST SAY THAT, UM, THE TWO SCHOOL, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE CHARTER HAVE BOTH BEEN TOLD TO APPEAR ACCORDING TO THIS SCHEDULE. SO THAT WOULD BE AT ONE O'CLOCK? NO, AT, UM, 11. 1140. OH, 1140. OH, THIS SCHEDULE. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, THEY'RE VERY SMART. OKAY, SO WE'RE READY TO TACKLE THE WORLD. YES. I'M TRYING TO FIND OUR, WHAT, WHAT PAGE ARE THE, AT YOUR, IT'S YOUR MEMO. PAGE 29. YEAH, PAGE 29. AND THE, UH, MAYBE THE BETTER VIEW FOR YOU WOULD BE IN YOUR OVERALL SUMMARIES TAB. THAT'S THE, THE, UH, FOURTH TAB IN YOUR BINDER. IT'S PAGE SUM 12 HAS A, THIS PAGE RIGHT HERE THAT HAS A REALLY DETAILED, IT'S 2 24 IN THE BIG, THAT'S ONE. THANK YOU. OH, THAT'S SLIDE DECK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I GOT IT. OH, I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG. SO WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT? PAGE NUMBER 2 24 PETE FOUR. IN WHICH SECTION? 2 24 IN THE, THAT'S THE SLIDE DECK NUMBER. OH, I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU HAVE IT? 2 25 [02:20:02] STARTS 2 24, BUT 2 25 IS WHAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN? IT'S 2 24. NO, I'VE GOT 2 24. YEAH, IT'S 2 24 IN MY BOOK. OH, THAT'S 'CAUSE YOU'RE ONLINE. OVERALL SUMMARIES. TAP PETE ALSO, UM, SUM 12. THANK YOU. BUT DOES PETE HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL PAGES? YES. YES. THEY WERE EMAILED TO HIM. OKAY. YES. YES. ARE YOU WITH US THEN? YOU HAVE IT? YES, I DO. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO HOPE HOUSE, JUST START AT THE TOP. MAY I MAKE A A JUST A BRIEF INTRODUCTORY REMARK REGARDING THESE VERSUS THE DECISION PACKAGES. SO, AS YOU KNOW, WE DO THREE YEAR CONTRACTS WITH THE SERVICE PROVIDERS. SO THESE WE'LL SET THE FIRST YEAR OF THE NEXT THREE YEAR CONTRACT. AFTER THAT THEY DON'T COME BACK TO YOU BECAUSE WE JUST DO, UM, CPI ADJUSTMENTS IN THE OUT YEARS. SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE AND WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET WORK GROUP AND EVERYTHING. 'CAUSE IT'S A BRAND NEW CYCLE. MM-HMM . NEXT. ANNETTE. ADDITIONALLY, THE ONE TIME REQUESTS ARE FOR FISCAL 27 ONLY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO HOPE HOUSE IS EASY 'CAUSE IT'S JUST A ONE REQUEST WAS APPROVED BY THE BUDGET WORK GROUP AND THE CITY MANAGER. SO THIS SHOULD GO PRETTY QUICKLY. KATHY, YOU WANNA VOTE PETE? WE'RE VOTING. OKAY. HE THUMBS UP. SEVEN ZERO PROVING HOPE HOUSE. OKAY. NEXT IS HUMANE SOCIETY. AND THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY, UH, ONE TIME EITHER. CORRECT. AND THEY WERE BOTH ALSO APPROVED BY THE CITIZEN BUDGET WORK GROUP AND THE CITY MANAGER. SO HUMANE SOCIETY IS THE THOMAS. OKAY. NEXT IS THE LIBRARY. AND MY QUESTION HERE IS, WOULD YOU LIKE THE CONTRACT TO REFLECT THAT WE'RE, UM, CONTRIBUTING THE ONE TIME FUNDS TOWARDS THE, UH, RENOVATIONS OF THE LIBRARY DIRECTLY? OR DID YOU WANT TO CREATE A STIPULATION THAT IT'S SOME KIND OF MATCH FUND THAT ONLY GETS PAID WHEN THEY RAISE A SEPARATE AMOUNT OF MONEY? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SEE IT DIRECTLY, BUT I, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE MATCHING FUND ONLY BECAUSE I THINK IT SETS A PRECEDENT AND I THINK IT'S NOT REALLY, IT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING. I THINK WE'RE MAKING THIS CONTRIBUTION. IF THEY WANT TO ASK, WE GOT THIS, WOULD YOU MATCH IT? THE PUBLIC, WHATEVER THEY DO WITH THEIR LANGUAGE IS FINE. BUT I ONLY SUPPORT THIS NOT WITH A CON WITH A CAVEAT . THAT WAS JUST THE BUDGET WORK GROUP FEEDBACK. SO THEY'RE THE ONES THAT YEAH, THE, THE LIBRARY DID NOT REQUEST IT AS MATCHING. THAT WAS THE SUGGESTION FROM THE BUDGET WORK GROUP. THE LIBRARY JUST REQUESTED A DIRECT PARTICIPATION BY THE CITY IN THE RENOVATION. SO THE VOTE'S GOING TO BE BOTH THE FY 27 REQUEST AND THE ONE TIME REQUEST AS A DIRECT DONATION. IF THAT FAILS, WE'LL CONSIDER SOMETHING ELSE. WELL, IT'S NOT A DONATION. A DIRECT, UH, A DIRECT, UH, CONTRIBUTION. YES. OKAY. SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU. NEXT IS, UH, VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS. I THINK IT'S PRETTY EASY. PIZZA. THUMBS UP. OKAY. SEVEN ZERO, UH, SED DONUT COMMUNITY CENTER. SO SINCE WE MET, I, UH, BOTH KATHY AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO MARJORIE, WHO WE RAN INTO AT ANOTHER EVENT. AND, AND THEN SHE COMMUNICATED WITH KENT, UH, ABOUT THE RAMP. KENT SENT OVER A VOLUNTEER WHO DOES RAMPS FOR THE CAREGIVERS. THEY LOOKED AT THE PROJECT AND SAID, OH NO, THIS IS SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE DO. WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN DO THIS WORK BECAUSE IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. IT'S GOT A DA EQUIPMENT. IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE DO. SO I, I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT THEY HELPED EACH OTHER, BUT IT DIDN'T SOLVE THE ISSUE, UH, FOR THEM. AND, UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S ON THE ONE TIME. UH, THEY ALSO TOLD HER THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT THE PROJECT [02:25:01] WOULD BE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT SHE HAD DETERMINED. MM-HMM . SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT LEAVES US, BUT SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE COST WOULD, SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANY FORMAL BIDS. SHE HAS THAT ONE FOR THE 75,000, BUT SHE HAD, SHE DID THIS QUICKLY AND SHE HASN'T GONE OUT TO BID, WHICH SHE WOULD DO IF SHE WAS AWARDED THE MONEY. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT. WELL, HER PRIORITY, UM, IS EXPLAINED TO ME, AND I THINK IN HER CONVERSATION WITH YOU WAS THE 80 80 A RAMP FIRST. YES. AND THEN EXPLORE HOW TO DEAL WITH THE WEATHERIZATION. UM, SO IF COUNSEL WANTED TO HAVE IN THEIR CONTRACT THAT THEY HAVE AUTHORIZATION UP TO 75, AND THEN WE HELP THEM GET THE A DA RAMP COMPLETED AND THEN WHATEVER IS LEFT OVER, EITHER WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT BASIS. RIGHT. YEAH. SO, UM, YOU COULD EITHER LEAVE THAT THERE FOR THEM TO APPLY TOWARDS FUTURE WEATHERIZATION IN THE THREE YEAR PERIOD. UM, OR WE ONLY DO THE RAMP, BUT, UM, SHE DID SAY THE RAMP WAS THEIR FIRST PRIORITY. SO JUST FOR CLARITY ON MY PART, 'CAUSE THAT WHOLE CONVERSATION GOT A LITTLE CONFUSING. UM, THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE 3 4 2 8 25 FOR THEIR OPERATING EXPENSES. AND THE 75 WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BOTH THE RAMP AND THE AIR CONDITIONING. CORRECT. NOT THE WEATHERIZATION, JUST AIR CONDITIONING. RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. BUT THE RAMP IS GOING TO COME IN MORE THAN YEAH. IT'S JUST, SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE RAMP. I DO HAVE, I DID HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE IDEA OF PUTTING AIR CONDITIONING IN A METAL BUILDING WITH NO WEATHERIZATION. RIGHT. BUT IT RIGHT. BUT IT'LL PROBABLY MAKE, TAKE THIS FULL AMOUNT JUST TO GET THE RAMP DONE AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND AGAIN, BECAUSE THIS IS A THREE YEAR CONTRACT PERIOD, IF WE DO SOME WORK WITH THEM AROUND THE WEATHERIZATION PROJECT AND REALLY GET AN ACTUAL SCOPE TOGETHER, HELP THEM PURSUE THEIR GRANT FUNDS, WE COULD ALWAYS COME BACK TO COUNCIL IN A FUTURE YEAR. AND THEY CAN, YOU COULD CONSIDER AMENDING THE CONTRACT AT THAT TIME WHEN THERE'S A MORE, UM, SPECIFIC PROPOSAL. YEAH. AND, AND SHE ALSO SAID THAT SHE COULDN'T EXIST WITHOUT THE FULL REQUEST OF THE 3 42. 'CAUSE THE CITIZEN BUDGET WORK GROUP HAD RECOMMENDED 3 0 2 AND SHE'S VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE $40,000. I REMEMBER THAT. AND I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION WAS AROUND THE FACT THEY THOUGHT SHE COULD DO BETTER ON GETTING FOOD, WHICH YEAH, , I, I, I'M SUPPORTING THIS FULL REQUEST OF THE, AGAIN, I AM THE LIAISON TO THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER. SO I THINK, UM, SO I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING SITTING IN WITH THEIR MEETINGS ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THEIR CHALLENGES ARE WITH FOOD COSTS AND WITH REGULATIONS BY WHICH THEY MUST ABIDE, WHICH MAYBE LAY PEOPLE MAY, MAY NOT EVEN BE AWARE OF. UH, THAT SHE IS VERY FRUGAL. UM, I THINK CHEF PAUL IS ALSO VERY FRUGAL. I THINK THEY'RE DOING ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO CONTAIN COSTS. THIS IS A REALLY NEEDED SERVICE IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND, UM, I THINK I'M PREACHING TO THE CONVERTED ON THAT. SO I'LL STOP, BUT I WANT TO TRANSITION TO THE RAMP. I'M ALSO SUPPORTING THAT REQUEST, THE $75,000. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S GONNA, ALL OF THAT WILL GO TO THE RAMP PROBABLY. AND IF IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T AND WE'LL WORK WITH THAT. BUT THERE'S, THERE'S A REAL A DA ISSUE THERE THAT THERE'S A WHOLE PORTION THAT CANNOT BE ACCESSED BY A SEGMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT IS A, REALLY FLIES IN THE FACE OF THE INTENT OF THE DISABILITY LAWS. SO I MEAN, I REALLY SUPPORT THAT. THERE'S AN EQUITY ISSUE HERE ABOUT NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE SOMETHING THAT OTHER USERS HAVE ACCESS TO. I'M COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE. IT IS ALSO THE EMERGENCY EGRESS ASPECT OF IT THAT EVERYTHING WOULD ONLY ENTER OUT TO THE FRONT. OTHERWISE THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY EXIT OUT TO THE BACK IF THAT WERE NECESSARY. RIGHT. QUESTION KATHY? I THOUGHT THE RAMP WAS STRICTLY A MATTER OF EGRESS AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT ACTUALLY AFFECTS ACCESS TO A PORTION OF THE BUILDING? NO, UH, NO. YOU CAN GET INTO THE BUILDING FROM THE FRONT MM-HMM . UH, AT THREE DIFFERENT POINTS. MM-HMM . YOU CAN ONLY EXIT THE BUILDING TO THE BACK FROM I BELIEVE TWO POINTS. ONE OF WHICH IS CONTAINED WITHIN THE KITCHEN AREA. MM-HMM . AND THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY OTHER PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE BACK FROM INSIDE THE BUILDING. OKAY. AND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BEING A MATTER OF EQUITY AND ACCESS MM-HMM . HOW SO? IF EVERYBODY CAN GET IN FROM THE FRONT INTO THE BUILDING, THEY CAN'T GET TO THE BACK, WHICH IS A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS USED FOR EVENTS. OKAY. AND THEY DON'T, [02:30:01] THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. GOT IT. WITHOUT THE RAMP. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. SO I SUGGEST WE VOTE FOR THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE OPERATIONAL REQUEST AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON THE RAMP. OKAY. SO FIRST VOTE IS ON THE, UH, $342,825. PETE IS A THUMBS UP. OKAY. SEVEN ZERO, JOE. OKAY. NOW THE 75,000, WHICH INCLUDES THE RAMP AND THE AIR CONDITIONING, AND HAVING HEARD THAT THE RAMP IS LIKELY TO COST PERHAPS UP TO 75,000, BUT IT'S REIMBURSABLE ONLY. DO WE WANT TO K KEEP THE 75,000 AND DIRECT IT TO THE RAMP? YEAH. AND I THINK THE LAST PIECE THAT YOU SAID, MAYOR, IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART FOR ME IS THAT WE'RE DIRECTING IT TOWARDS THE RAMP. IF THERE'S EXCESS MONEY AFTER THE RAMP, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION ONCE THE CITY HAS SPOKEN WITH THEM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SEVEN ZERO WITH THOSE CAVEATS. NEXT, UH, SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND NATE IS HERE. IF WE HAD , IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, AND YOU HAD ASKED FOR THE FOLLOW UP PICTURES, WHICH YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED IN YOUR EMAIL ABOUT THE CEMETERY. OKAY. AND DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? WELL, LET'S JUST, LET'S DO THE EASY ONE, WHICH IS THE OPERATIONS AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE ONE TIME. SO 200,000 FOR THE OPERATIONS. PETER IS A THUMBS UP. SEVEN ZERO. AND NOW THE ONE TIME WHICH IS BROKEN DOWN BETWEEN THE CEMETERY, OH, COME ON UP. NATION IN, IN JORDAN PARK BUILDING. RIGHT. BUT THEN I WONDERED ABOUT BUILDING THE JORDAN PARK. ARE WE TAKING THAT ON RIGHT. AS A CITY AND THAT, WHAT'S YOUR UNDERSTANDING? AND JOSH, UM, WHEN THEY GET TO THE PART ABOUT JORDAN PARK. OKAY. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CEMETERY FIRST. SURE. YEAH, SO THE CEMETERY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, DOING THE UPGRADES THERE, YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED, UM, SOME VERY PRELIMINARY PLANS. I WANNA, I WANNA STRESS A PRELIMINARY, UH, DRAWING PART OF THAT BECAUSE IT MAKES IT LOOK VERY MUCH MORE MODERN THAN WE ACTUALLY HAVE MIND, UM, FOR A HISTORIC CEMETERY. UM, BUT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE, UH, FENCING ON THE SOUTH AND THE EAST SIDES, UM, WALL ACROSS THE BACK TO KIND OF, UM, REMOVE THAT, THAT FALLING DOWN RICKETY WOOD FENCING THAT YOU SAW IN THOSE PHOTOS. UH, AND ALSO KIND OF SEPARATE THE CEMETERY FROM, UM, THERE ARE SOME MANUFACTURED HOMES BACK THERE. AND ALSO, UM, KIND OF INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY. I THINK IT USED TO BE THE U-HAUL. UM, I DUNNO, THAT WAS BEFORE I GOT HERE THOUGH. THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER FROM MY TIMES VISITING BEFORE THAT. BUT, UM, AND THEN, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ENTRY WAYS, UM, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE FACING ELKS ROAD, UH, WHERE, UH, THERE IS ALREADY, UM, A NICE, NICE ENTRY, UM, UH, ENTRYWAY THERE. UH, AND IMPROVING KIND OF THE, THE SIDES OF THAT WITH SOME, SOME, UH, RED ROCK PEDESTALS, THAT KIND OF STUFF. JUST ACCENTUATE THAT, MAKE, IMPROVE THAT A LITTLE BIT. MAKE IT MORE WELCOMING, UH, TO THE VISITORS THAT WE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, WE ALREADY KNOW PEOPLE ARE FINDING THEIR WAY THERE. UM, LET THEM KNOW IT IS A PLACE THAT THEY CAN COME AND REFLECT AND, AND, UM, UH, GIVE THEIR RESPECTS TO, TO THOSE BURIED THERE. UM, AND THEN IMPROVING THE, UM, EQUIPMENT GATE ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, WHERE, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, IT IS AN ACTIVE CEMETERY. WE DO HAVE BURIALS THERE. UH, WE DO NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET EQUIPMENT IN AND OUT. UM, THAT'S THE BULK OF 'EM, SOME SIGNAGE TO, TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE, WHY IT'S IMPORTANT, UM, AND BE A JUMPING OFF POINT FOR SHARING INTERPRETATION AND STORIES OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, UH, BURIED THERE. SO YOU, YOU HAVE 25,000 FROM THE BANEY. CORRECT. AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR 25,000 FROM THE CITY? IS IS THAT ENOUGH, THE 50,000 TO DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS? WE STILL BELIEVE WE'LL HAVE TO DO FUNDRAISING ON TOP OF THAT. UM, BUT WE THOUGHT, UM, THE CITY, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE ON BOARD WITH WANTING TO MAKE THIS A POINT OF PRIDE FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. UM, AND SO IF WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONTRIBUTE, WE DIDN'T WANT TO ASK YOU TO GIVE MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE HAS GIVEN US . UM, SO THAT'S WHERE THE 25 CAME FROM. UH, WE DO ANTICIPATE WE'LL HAVE TO DO A LITTLE MORE FUNDRAISING ON TOP OF THAT. UM, OR ESTIMATES RIGHT NOW ARE 75 TO A HUNDRED, UH, FOR THE TOTAL PROJECT. AND WE DO HAVE SOME MONEY, YOU KNOW, UM, COUNCILOR KINSELLA [02:35:01] HAS HELPED OUT AND VOLUNTEERED AT SOME OF THE EVENTS WE'VE HAD OUT THERE THAT HAVE RAISED SOME FUNDS FOR THAT. SO, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY BEYOND THAT 25 ALREADY AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR NATE? OKAY. SO MAYOR, I THINK YOU REFERRED WHEN NATE FIRST WALKED UP THERE THAT THE ONE TIME ASK PART OF IT IS DEFINITELY AN ASK OF COUNCIL DIRECTLY, I GUESS TO THEM AS OPPOSED TO THE JORDAN PARK PIECE OF WHETHER WE'RE GONNA DIRECT STAFF RIGHT. TO JUST TAKE CARE OF THAT. AND SO WHAT I'M ASKING RIGHT NOW IS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CEMETERY, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO OTHER PARK. OKAY. OKAY. SO NO QUESTIONS ON THAT. SO NOW JORDAN PARK, SO JOSH, WHAT'S THE PLAN? YEAH, UM, AND I CAN LET NATE SPEAK TO SOME OF THAT TOO. WE, RYAN HAYES, OUR UM, CITY MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR WENT OVER THERE AND MEASURED OUT SOME OF THE WALL AND THE PLANS FOR WHAT NATE WAS LOOKING FOR IN THAT AREA. AND ACTUALLY HAS A PLAN FOR EXPANDING THAT A LITTLE BIT AND MAKING THAT WORK, YOU KNOW, IN A GREAT MANNER THAT'S GONNA MEET OUR CITY STANDARDS AND MAKING IT SEDONA SPECIAL AS WELL AS EVERYTHING NATE'S LOOKING FOR THERE MATCHING THE STYLE AND DESIGN THERE. UM, SO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LAST WEEK WHEN WE DID THIS WAS DOING PART, IF WE COULD FIT IT IN THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR, SINCE IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A SAFETY CONCERN THERE AS WELL. AND WHAT I THINK WE'D LIKE TO PROPOSE DOING IS DOING PART OF IT THIS YEAR AND DOING IT THE CHUNK ESSENTIALLY THAT NATE HAD ASKED FOR IN THIS FISCAL YEAR AND GETTING THAT PORTION DONE, AND THEN A EXPANSION OF THAT IN NEXT FISCAL YEAR WITH THE 15,000 THAT WOULD STILL BE ASKED IN THIS DECISION PACKAGE. SO DOES THAT 15,000, IS IT CO COVERED IN YOUR FY 27 REQUEST? CAN YOU ACCOMMODATE THAT OR DO YOU NEED US TO DESIGNATE AN ADDITIONAL 15,000? IT WOULD BE COVERED IN THE PART OF THE 40,000 THAT NATE HAD REQUESTED FOR THE, UM, SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY WOULD BE THE 15,000. THAT WOULD BE AN FY 27 FOR THAT WALL. OKAY. AND WE WOULD STILL DO A PORTION OF IT THIS YEAR. SO IF WE WERE TO PROVE THE 40, WE GIVE 25,000 TO A HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND 15,000 TO JOSH. YEAH. YES. , YES. THAT WOULD BE HOW WE BUDGET. THAT'S HOW WE BUDGET IT TO PARKS. JUST GIVE IT TO JOSH TO PARKS, TO PARKS, NOT TO JOSH. UM, MAYOR, COUNSELOR FURMAN HAS HIS HAND UP. PETE, THANK THANK YOU MAYOR. JOSH, WHERE WOULD THIS HAVE FIT IN YOUR PRIORITY LIST? DOES THIS, DID THIS SNEAK IN ABOVE OTHER THINGS YOU WANTED TO DO? IT SNUCK IN, IN THE CASE OF IT WAS DEFINITELY A LAST MINUTE ADDITION. UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET DONE AND GET DONE IN A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME THAT IT'S NOT SUCH A BIG SCALE PROJECT THAT IT BUMPS ANYTHING BACK. IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN FIT IN THERE AND GET DONE, UM, WHETHER IT'S IN-HOUSE OR THROUGH A CONTRACT OR THAT WILL ALSO MEET OUR CITY STANDARDS THERE. I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS REALLY, IF YOU HAD THIS MONEY, WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH IT? IS THIS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY? YEAH. UH, YES. I THINK IT FITS THAT IT'S ONE THAT WE CAN, JORDAN HISTORICAL PARK COULD USE THIS AMENITY AND SOME LOVE THERE THAT IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN SPEND THERE PROUDLY. I DO YOU AGREE? IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE? YES. YES. THANK YOU. KATHY, DID YOU NO, I'M SORRY. OKAY. EVERYBODY READY TO VOTE? PIZZA? THUMBS UP? 40,000. OKAY. SEVEN. OH, SO 25. THIS HISTORICAL SOCIETY. 15 TO JOSH'S BUDGET. THANK YOU. NOT HIS HOME BUDGET. . THANK YOU. OKAY. WE DO WANT THAT CEMETERY TO BE A, A POINT OF PRIDE IN OUR COMMUNITY, CONSIDERING OUR FOUNDERS ARE BURIED THERE. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION. AND THE, UH, WHAT DID, DID WE RESOLVE THE CUP OR THE TUP? YES. ANNETTE OR BARBARA? YES. IN THEIR CURRENT LAND LEASE, THERE IS A, UH, CLAUSE IN THERE ABOUT OBTAINING TS FOR EVENTS. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL CONTINUE DOING SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTION. NO, NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND, UH, LAST SEDONA RE RECYCLES. DID YOU NEED ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR THAT ONE? SO THE, SO WHY DON'T WE DO THIS AGAIN IN TWO PIECES. LET'S DO THE, UH, $289,000 FOR OPERATIONS. [02:40:01] OKAY. SEVEN ZERO. AND NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE 50,000. COULD YOU REMIND US WHAT THAT WAS FOR? YES, THAT WAS A REQUEST, UM, OH, FOR THE, FOR THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT RESERVE, UM, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS EXHAUSTED WHEN THEY REPLACED THE BALER. SO THEY'RE TRYING TO PLAN AHEAD FOR THE NEXT EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT. CHARLOTTE? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I DON'T SEE IT AS BEING FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE LIBRARY AND ITS CAPITAL CAMPAIGN IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER OUR CAPITAL NEEDS FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. SO I SUPPORT IT. I HAVE CAN I A QUESTION THOUGH, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S A LOGICAL STATEMENT, BUT, UM, IN THE, I FEEL LIKE I KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING WITH, WITH THE LIBRARY'S CAPITAL CAMPAIGN THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC WHAT THEIR GOALS ARE, WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE. THIS IS JUST CA YOU KNOW, MONEY TO GO INTO RESERVES FOR SOMETHING UNDEFINED FOR SOME FUTURE NEED. AND THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME COMFORTABLE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY FOR CITY FUNDING. I THINK THAT I AM, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF, OF IT JUST BEING A CASH REPLENISHMENT FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS PURCHASED THAT DEPLETED. UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE PLANNING AND FUNDING. WE SUPPORT SPECIFIC ASKS. EVEN WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC ASKS. SO THIS IS JUST UNDEFINED TO ME AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT. DEREK. I MEAN, PART OF THIS I ALSO THINK IS TO ACCOUNT FOR BREAKAGE, UH, EQUIPMENT FAILURES, ET CETERA. SO, UH, IF SOMETHING GOES DOWN AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE CASH TO FIX IT, THEN THEY'RE AT A STANDSTILL. UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PROVIDING A SERVICE TO THE CITY AND TO THE RESIDENTS. AND IF, YOU KNOW, IF RECYCLING IS IMPORTANT TO US, WHICH I THINK IT SHOULD BE, UM, THEY, WE NEED TO PUT THEM IN A POSITION WHERE THEY CAN KEEP THEIR OPERATIONS GOING. UM, I GET COUNCILOR GONZALEZ'S POINT ABOUT JUST PUTTING SOME CASH IN, BUT I'VE BEEN OVER THERE, I'VE SEEN THE EQUIPMENT. THERE'S A LOT THAT CAN GO WRONG, . UM, AND WHEN IT DOES, UH, IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FIX IT, THEN YOU KNOW, STUFF'S GONNA START PILING UP. CHARLOTTE, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT? NO, BUT JUST TO TAG ON TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A THREE YEAR CONTRACT HERE, OR ONE WITH TWO RENEWALS, HOWEVER YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT. SO WITHIN THAT THREE YEAR WINDOW, THERE COULD VERY WELL BE A NEED. ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT WOULD BE, WELL, THEY CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND ASK FOR, UH, A CONTINGENCE OUT OF THE CONTINGENCY, SOME KIND OF A THING. BUT, UM, AND THAT'S AN ALTERNATIVE IF PEOPLE WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER THOUGH, I, I THINK WE WOULD BE INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE AN ASK AT SOME POINT SHOULD THE NEED ARISE. SO I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT BEING ON THE FRONT END. BUT KATHY, WE, UM, SPOKE WITH IN DEPTH THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS WITH THE, WITH THE RECYCLING CENTER ABOUT THE NEED FOR A CAPITAL REPLACEMENT PLAN. SO JUST TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A DISCUSSION IN THE ABSTRACT THAT A NEED WILL EMERGE. THAT NEED SHOULD BE AT LEAST PROJECTED. OBVIOUSLY EMERGENCIES COME IN, THINGS BREAK DOWN, BUT I STILL DON'T KNOW THAT THAT CAPITAL REPLACEMENT PLAN EXISTS. I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT ON PAPER. WE'VE REQUESTED IT. UM, I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH PUTTING A CUSHION IN THERE FOR SOMETHING THAT'S UN UNDEFINED. WHO IS THE LIAISON? ME. OKAY. OKAY. DO YOU KNOW ABOUT A CAPITAL REPLACEMENT PLAN? I DO NOT FROM MY ONE MEETING WITH HIM, NO. UM, WHEN THEY WERE HERE THE OTHER DAY THOUGH, I DID ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AGE OF THE EQUIPMENT AND YEAH. IMMINENT ANYTHING IMMINENTLY FAILING. AND THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ANYTHING IMMINENT. BUT AGAIN, AS DEREK SAYS, THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTIES. SO DEREK DID, THE LAWYERS ARE CONSULTING. UH, YEAH, SO I GET, I GET COUNCILOR ELLA'S POINT, FIRST OF ALL, IT SETS A PRECEDENT THAT YOU CAN JUST COME AND, AND DURING YOUR CONTRACT YOU CAN ASK FOR MONEY TO BE PUT INTO YOUR RESERVES FOR NOTHING THAT'S PARTICULARLY SPECIFIED. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT IS A PRECEDENT THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE SET FOR FUTURE COUNCILS. UM, I THINK THAT WE HAVE JUST LAST YEAR ADDED FUNDS TO PEOPLE BECAUSE HUMANE SOCIETY CAME AND SAID THEY NEEDED MORE MONEY AND COULD THEY HAVE MORE MONEY. [02:45:01] SO IT'S, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN A PRECEDENT THAT WE'VE GOT SET THAT THEY CAN COME BACK AND ASK FOR THEM TO BE ADDITIONALLY FUNDED. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN'T SORT OF PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT SAYS, IF WE GIVE THIS TO YOU, WE NEED IT ONLY TO BE SPENT ON, YOU KNOW, EQUIPMENT REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT. AND WE NEED AN ACCOUNTING OF THAT SO THAT WE KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT THE FUNDS WERE SPENT ON. REMEMBER, IT'S REIMBURSED SO THEY CORRECT. YEAH. SO THEY HAVE TO GIVE US AN ACCOUNT. CORRECT. DEREK, UM, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK THAT, KURT, IF YOU, WHAT YOU JUST TOLD ME, IF YOU COULD REPEAT THAT TO THE REST OF COUNCIL. SURE. SO, UH, IN RESPONSE OR ONE, ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO KEEP THE 50,000, UM, COUNCIL CAN BUDGET IT, BUT KEEP IT WITHIN THE CITY'S BUDGET. UH, AND COUNCIL COULD AUTHORIZE THIS CITY MANAGER TO APPROVE ANY OF THESE EMERGENCY EXPENDITURES THAT COME UP OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS. SOUNDS FAMILIAR. SO , BUT THAT WOULDN'T LEAVE THEM HIGH AND DRY. WELL, I MEAN, THEY COULD GO STRAIGHT TO A NET INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR SOMETHING TO GET ON AN, AN AGENDA. AND, AND ANNETTE COULD EXERCISE DISCRETION. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY THINK IS LEGITIMATE? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THEY SHOULD HAVE PLANNED FOR AND THEY JUST DIDN'T PLAN PROPERLY? YEAH, I'M, I'M ALSO LIKE WITH SOME OF THE COUNSELORS UNCOMFORTABLE DRAFTING, LIKE THE THINKING, THE ACTUAL GRANT AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE JUST GONNA SAY, HERE'S 50,000 TO SIT SOMEWHERE. SO I MEAN, WE COULD TIE IT DIRECTLY TO A BAYLOR, BUT THEN YOU'D WANNA SEE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT IT'S GONNA LAST. THE NEW ONE THEY JUST GOT SHOULD LAST SEVEN OR 10 YEARS. AND SO THEY SET ASIDE SO MUCH PER YEAR AND THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE. BUT, UH, IF IT'S JUST A STRAIGHT 50,000 ASK THAT'S NOT DIRECTLY TIED TO ANYTHING, THEN I'M MORE UNCOMFORTABLE DRAFTING THAT AGREEMENT. SO RATHER THE MONEY STAYED WITH THE CITY AND THEN MADE OUT THAT WAY. YEAH, I, I, IF THEY HAVE AN EMERGENCY, A CALL TO ANNETTE COULD BE RESOLVED THAT DAY. DON'T HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL, WORRY ABOUT THE PROCESS OF DECISION PACK. I MEAN, UM, AGENDA BILL AND WHERE THAT FITS. SO THAT WOULD MAKE ME A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE. THAT'S A GOOD SOLUTION. BRIAN? UH, I ECHO COUNCILOR KIN'S CONCERN. I THINK IT'S AN UNPRECEDENTED STEP TO BASICALLY PROVIDE A, A CAPITAL, TO ME IT'S A WORKING CAPITAL INFUSION, ESSENTIALLY. UM, UNDEFINED ASK, UH, I, UH, THAT IS NOT A PRECEDENT THAT I WANT TO SET. AND IF WE ARE THIS CONCERNED THAT SOMETHING'S GONNA BREAK AND PUT THEM DOWN AND THEY DON'T, IF THEY DON'T HAVE THIS MONEY, THEN THAT RAISES A BIGGER FLAG FOR ME OF THEIR OVERALL VIABILITY, QUITE FRANKLY. AND, AND THAT'S A TOPIC FOR A DIFFERENT TIME. AND, AND DAD, WELL, IT ISN'T NECESSARILY, I MEAN, YEAH. THEIR VIABILITY FROM MY EXPERIENCE AND LET YOU TALK ABOUT IT AS THE FORMER LIAISON. IT'S LIKE THIS CONSTANTLY. AND WE FUND WHAT PERCENTAGE? 85, 80 SOMETHING PERCENT, 85. AND THEY'RE THE HIGHEST AFTER. YEAH, I MEAN THEY, 85%, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT BUSINESS MINDED. THEY'RE, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT, THEIR VIABILITY FLUCTUATES THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN. I MEAN, THE FACT IS PEOPLE DON'T, YOU KNOW, STUFF THAT PEOPLE USED TO BE WILLING TO BUY IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO BUY ANYMORE. SO EVEN THE BEST RUN OPERATION IF NO ONE IS PAYING FOR WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING OUT. SO I, AND, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK WE NEED TO GET AWAY FROM VIEWING THIS AS A BUSINESS AND MORE AS THIS IS A SERVICE. AND IF IT'S IMPORTANT TO US AND TO OUR RESIDENTS TO HAVE RECYCLING, THEN I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BITE THE BULLET. AND NOW WHETHER WE DO THIS CONTINGENCY, BUT I JUST, I WANT TO GET AWAY FROM THE IDEA OF VIEWING SEDONA RECYCLES AS, OH, IT'S A BUSINESS. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, IT'S LIKE, EH, YES AND NO. IT'S A, IT'S A SER TO ME, IT'S MORE OF A SERVICE THAN A BUSINESS. PETE HAS HIS HAND RAISED AS WELL. THE, THE, I DON'T VIEW IT AS A BUSINESS, I VIEW IT AS A SERVICE. AS I VIEW ALL OF THESE, AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE, I WANNA HOLD TO THE SAME STANDARD. AND, YOU KNOW, SAYING, LET US KNOW WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE TO PROJECT OUT. YES, THERE ARE SERVICE THE SAME AS THE REST OF 'EM, AND THEREFORE THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO. AND IF THEY DON'T, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF MINDSET THERE. BUT THEN GO AND SEEK THE HELP, WHICH IS WHAT WE ASKED THEM THREE YEARS AGO TO DO, TO FIND SOMEBODY WHO CAN HELP YOU PUT TOGETHER A CAPITAL PLAN, UM, WHICH DID NOT HAPPEN SO THAT WE COULD KNOW THE NEXT THING COMING UP IS A, UM, WHATEVER THEY USE A LOADER, I THINK A LITTLE BACKHOE INSTEAD, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS THAT'S COMING, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S COMING. AND THIS WOULD BE A CONTRIBUTION TOWARD A FUTURE CAPITAL REPLACEMENT THAT I COULD TAKE. IT'S THE UNKNOWN FACTOR OF THIS. AND IT'S JUST LIKE WE'RE WORRIED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE CUSHION'S GONE. UM, SO I I I, I STILL HAVE CONCERNS. I'M HEARING ALL OF [02:50:01] THIS, BUT I JUST, I REALLY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. OKAY, SO FIRST OFF, POP QUESTION, WHEN DID SEDONA RECYCLES FIRST COME INTO BEING PRE PREC? CITY HOOD, RIGHT? YEAH. MM-HMM . OKAY. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE STRATEGY OF THIS SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY DATING BACK 40 YEARS OR MORE IS NOT THE RIGHT STRATEGY NOW FOR DEALING WITH RECYCLING FOR OUR COMMUNITY? I MEAN, IS IT TIME TO STEP BACK FOR A SECOND AND SAY, WHAT IS THE, THE 21ST CENTURY BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THE RECYCLING NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY? AND IS IT SEDONA RECYCLES? IS IT THE FORMAT IN WHICH IT OPERATES NOW? I MEAN, IF WE'RE PROVIDING 85% OF THEIR BUDGET, THEY'RE A DEFACTO ARM OF OUR CITY. I MEAN, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALMOST LIKE AN IN-HOUSE UTILITY, RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT. AND, AND SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO EXERCISE A LITTLE MORE OVERSIGHT IN THAT REGARD AND ASK THESE TOUGH QUESTIONS ABOUT, IS THIS THE RIGHT STRATEGY? I WANNA SUPPORT RECYCLING IN OUR COMMUNITY. HANDS DOWN. I WANNA SEE IT BE AS EFFECTIVE AS POSSIBLE, BUT I'M NOT CONVINCED, BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING, THAT THE WAY WE'RE GOING IS THE RIGHT LONG-TERM WAY, THE RIGHT WAY FOR THE 21ST CENTURY. I MEAN, HOW MUCH ARE WE SUBSIDIZING THE, THE USERS OF THE RECYCLING CENTER THAT ARE NOT EVEN SEDONA RESIDENTS AS OF, FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT? ANYBODY CAN SHOW UP ANYTIME AND START DROPPING STUFF OFF, AND WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT, THEY CAN TAKE LESS AND LESS OF THE DIFFERENT STREAMS OF RECYCLING WASTE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A PLACE TO, TO PUT IT, BUT PEOPLE ARE STILL DROPPING IT OFF AND CREATING GARBAGE THAT THEY HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND PAY TO GET RID OF. SO I, I DON'T WANNA DO THE 50 K INFUSION. I THINK THAT THERE OUGHT TO BE, UH, EITHER A, A CITY MANAGER DRIVEN WORKING GROUP OR A COUNCIL DRIVEN WORKING GROUP TO, TO STEP BACK AND REALLY LOOK AT WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY HERE IN THE 21ST CENTURY. THANK YOU. PETE, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YEAH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. NO, I, I DON'T LARGELY DISAGREE WITH WHAT THE VICE MAYOR JUST SAID EXCEPT FOR I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR F THAT THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A DEFAULT FACT TO CITY DEPARTMENT. I CAN'T IMAGINE IF WE WERE RUNNING IT AS THE CITY, HOW MUCH THIS SERVICE WOULD COST US ALL THE REST, YOU KNOW, OF OUR DEPARTMENTS HAVE SOME TYPE OF RESERVES. I'M HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LARGELY FUND THIS WHOLE THING. THE RESERVE IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TOO. IT'S A GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE. I'M OKAY WITH THE NET HAVING SOME CONTROL OVER IT IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA DO. BUT THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE MANAGEMENT AND OPERATION OF THE RECYCLE CENTER. I THINK THEY DO AN ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC JOB WITH WHAT THEY'RE GIVEN. AND IF WE'RE TRYING TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT, IT WILL COST FAR, FAR MORE. AND WE CAN'T PUT THE RESPONSIBILITY ON THE WASTE HAULERS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THEY DON'T ACTUALLY DO, YOU KNOW, A GREAT JOB OF PULLING, RECYCLING OUT OF THE WASTE STREAMS? THANK YOU. OKAY. EVERYBODY'S RIGHT. YEAH, EVERYBODY'S RIGHT IS RIGHT. , EXCUSE ME. WHERE, WHERE IS THAT CHART THAT SHOWS THE PERCENTAGES? I'M NOT FINDING IT ON, UM, THE SUMMARIES TAB, UH, PAGE 12. THERE'S A CHART THAT SHOWS REQUESTS AND THE PERCENTAGE OF THEIR BUDGET SUMMARY TAB, PAGE 12. PAGE 12. I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE STUFF THAT GETS HAULED IN FROM OTHER CITIES, THEY PAY, SIT ON A RECYCLED FOR, THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, AND THE STUFF THAT JUST GETS DROPPED OFF BY TOURISTS WOULD PROBABLY JUST END UP DUMPED IN OUR STREETS AND PARKS IF THERE WEREN'T A PLACE FOR IT TO GO. SO, YEAH, I MEAN, THEY HAVE COME A LONG WAY, NOT THE ONE WE'VE PUSHED THEM AND PRODDED THEM OVER THE YEARS TO STOP PROVIDING FREE SERVICES TO EXTERNAL COMMUNITIES ON OUR DIME, WHICH THEY'VE STOPPED. AND HE DID SAY THAT, I THINK YOU MENTIONED SOMEBODY MENTIONED ABOUT JEROME TRUCK. MM-HMM . THEY SAW THE JEROME TRUCK AND HE SAID THEY'RE, THEY'RE PAYING NOW. MAYBE THEY ALWAYS PAID, BUT SOME DIDN'T. AND THEY HAVE ENDED THOSE FREEBIES. YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, KATHY? NO. ALL RIGHT. WE READY TO VOTE? SO IS THE THOUGHT THAT WE, I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. WELL, I'M GONNA SAY IN A MINUTE. OKAY. I MEAN, I SUPPORT DOING, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE MONEY WITH THE CITY AND HAVING, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THAT. OKAY. AND WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON $50,000 UNDER ANNETTE'S PURVIEW, UNDER ANNETTE'S AUTHORITY [02:55:01] FOR THEM TO REQUEST UP TO $50,000 IN EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT AT THE TIME. THEY NEED IT AT THE TIME. NOT AS A RESERVE. YES. AT THE TIME THEY ACTUALLY NEED IT FOR SOMETHING CORRECT. AND REPAIRS. RIGHT. AND REPAIRS. OKAY. YOU READY TO VOTE? YEAH. OKAY. THAT I CAN DO. I KNOW IT'S A VERY RELUCTANT HE IS A THUMBS UP. SEVEN ZERO. BRIAN WAS THE ONE THAT SIGHED . YEAH. HE VOTE LIKE THIS. HE WAS LIKE, I'M DONE. SOUND LIKE A CHECK MINUS OR SOMETHING. YEAH. AND PETE, YOU KNOW, YOUR COMMENTS WERE WELL STATED BECAUSE THEY ARE A LEAN AND MEAN OPERATION. THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE SAVVY WE WANT THEM TO HAVE, BUT THEY DO PROVIDE AN EXCELLENT SERVICE AND THEY DO IT AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. SO ARE WE GONNA DO ANYTHING BETWEEN NOW AND A YEAR FROM NOW WHEN WE'RE WRING OUR HANDS AGAIN ABOUT IF THERE'S A, UH, A DECISION PACKAGE ASK, ARE WE GONNA STRATEGICALLY LOOK AT HOW WE'RE MANAGING RECYCLING IN THE COMMUNITY? AND IF SO, THROUGH WHAT MEANS? IS IT A SUSTAINABILITY PROJECT? IS IT A COUNCIL, UH, WORK GROUP? A A CITY MANAGER WORK GROUP? SOMETHING ELSE? WHO KNOWS? 'CAUSE WHO'S SITTING HERE IN THREE YEARS? WELL, NO, HE'S TALKING EVEN BEFORE THREE YEARS. YEAH. I MEAN, START WORKING ON STRATEGY. WE'VE BEEN YEAR FROM NOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHO'LL BE SITTING HERE. YEAH, BUT IT WON'T BE A WATERSHED CHANGE. WELL, 1, 2, 3, 3 OF YOU WILL AT LEAST STILL BE HERE AFTER NOVEMBER, MAYBE. , HEY, THE NEWS IS HERE. THERE'S GONNA BE A, UH, HURT ON THE STREET. COMMENT ABOUT YOU NOW. MM-HMM . OKAY. . UH, BRYCE, DO YOU WANNA WEIGH IN ON THIS AT ALL? LAUREN? I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO THAT'S OKAY. GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY. I SAID, UH, CAN I CLARIFY FOR, UH, WHAT'S THE, THE QUESTION IN PARTICULAR THAT CAN, UH, WEIGH IN ON FOR THE RECYCLING SIDE ON, ON RECYCLING IN THE 21ST CENTURY? LIKE WHETHER WE CAN DO A DEEP DIVE ON HOW RECYCLING IS HAPPENING IN SEDONA AND IF THERE'S A NEW OR DIFFERENT WAY WE SHOULD AND DIFFERENT MODEL THE CITY SHOULD EXPLORE. SO IT'S KIND OF THE BIG PICTURE, UM, QUESTION, POLICY QUESTION. SO I THINK I'D WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL I KNOW WHAT SHAKES OUT AND ALL THE BUDGET INITIATIVES TO KNOW IF WE HAVE TIME TO TAKE ON A BIG LOOK LIKE THAT IN THIS NEXT YEAR. BUT I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING, YEAH, I MEAN, TAKE EIGHT MONTHS, TAKE NINE, 10 MONTHS, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE WE GOTTA HAVE AN ANSWER TOMORROW. YEAH. SO, UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE WITH, UH, ANNETTE ON THAT ONE. IT'S A, IT'S A, A LONG PROCESS, UH, TO GO THROUGH WITH IT. UM, AND AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, SEDONA RECYCLES HAS DONE AN EXEMPLARY JOB, UM, WITH THE RESOURCES THAT PROVIDED. I THINK, UM, SEDONA RECYCLES AND OR WASTE HAULERS WOULD BE INTEGRAL TO BE ABLE TO, TO HAVE A, A FULL, UH, FULLY FLESHED OUT CONVERSATION ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. UM, AT THIS MOMENT I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SAY LIKE, GO THIS DIRECTION, OR I RECOMMEND THAT ANOTHER DIRECTION. I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, START HAVING ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS AND RELATIONSHIP BUILDINGS ON TRYING TO FIND THOSE PROPER AVENUES, UH, THAT COULD SUIT A LONG-TERM, UH, SUSTAINABILITY FUTURE FOR RECYCLING AND WASTE IN GENERAL. OKAY. THANK YOU BRUCE. AND, AND BRYCE, I KNOW YOU DON'T NEED THIS ENCOURAGEMENT, BUT WHATEVER THE PROPOSAL IS OR WHATEVER THE STRATEGY IS, IT SHOULD INCORPORATE MORE, UH, COLLECTION THAN LESS, RIGHT? CAPTURING MORE OF THE RECYCLING, UH, STREAM THAN LESS. AND AGAIN, I KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR LOVE LANGUAGE RIGHT THERE. UM, BUT I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, YOU KNOW, AS I'M PUSHING THIS, THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT TRYING TO SPEND LESS, IT'S ABOUT BEING MORE EFFECTIVE. NET NET. THANK YOU. FULLY AGREE. RIGHT. OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE SEDONA OAK CREEK SCHOOL DISTRICT. YOU CAN STAY FOR THIS, I CAN STAY FOR THIS PART, NOT THE CHARTER SCHOOL. RIGHT. AND I HAVE A DISCLOSURE. UM, MY WIFE WORKS FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, BUT I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH KURT, UH, AND BASED ON HER POSITION, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THE OUTCOME. UH, SO I'LL NOT BE RECUSING, BUT I DO WANT OTHERS TO BE AWARE THAT, UH, MY WIFE WORKS WITH THE DISTRICT. THANK YOU FOR THAT, DEREK AND KURT. OKAY, SO WHO IS GOING [03:00:01] TO TALK ABOUT THESE? WE CAN JUST LEAD OFF WITH THAT. UM, STAFF DID TAKE THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED FROM YOU ALL AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND CREATE ESSENTIALLY DECISION PACKAGES. AND I THINK JOSH CAN SPEAK TO, UH, SEVERAL OF THEM AND THEN KURT AND ANDY TO OTHERS AND THE CHIEF TO ANOTHER ONE. SO IF YOU WANT US TO JUST GET STARTED. OKAY. I SEE TOM HERE. TOM, HAVE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATIONS? YES. YES. OKAY. SO IT MAY BE ASKING YOU TO COME UP AS WELL. SO THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, AFTERSCHOOL EXTRACURRICULAR CAMP PROGRAMS. YES. SO THIS OF COURSE CAME FROM A REQUEST FROM THE SEDONA OAK CREEK UNITED SCHOOL OR UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT. UM, AND I DID SPEAK WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT AND CLARIFY EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR IN HERE AND HOW WE CAN BEST PARTNER WITH THEM IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THESE OPPORTUNITIES, NOT ONLY TO THEIR SCHOOL STUDENTS, BUT OBVIOUSLY FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. UM, OF COURSE IN PARKS AND RECREATION, LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH A FEW OF THESE, THERE'S SO MANY OTHER COMMUNITY ASPECTS AND THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO AND DESIRE TO DO, JUST FITTING THAT CAPACITY AND FINDING THE WAY TO DO THOSE THROUGH FACILITIES, STAFFING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY THAT WOULD HELP THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY AND PARKS AND RECREATION IN GENERAL HERE. BUT IN TALKING WITH THEM, UM, EXACTLY WHAT WE'D LOOK TO DO IS THEY ALSO RUN THE WILDCAT ACADEMY, WHICH IS THE AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM FOR THE SCHOOL. SO THAT'S THE KIDS AT SEDONA OAK CREEK SCHOOL DISTRICT, PRIMARILY AT WEST SEDONA SCHOOL, ARE ABLE TO DO THAT AS AN AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM. WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS ADDING ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS. SO SIMILAR TO OUR EXPANDED SUMMER CAMPS THAT WE'VE DONE THE LAST FEW YEARS, IT WOULD BE THOSE TYPE OF PROGRAMS, BOTH STAFF LED AND UM, LIKE CITY PARTNERSHIP TYPE LED TO OFFER AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF 12 AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM DAYS PER MONTH. SO THAT WOULD BE TYPICALLY THREE, FOUR DAY OR THREE WEEKS OF THE FOUR DAYS PER WEEK PROGRAMS THAT WE'D OFFER. AND THAT WOULD VARY FROM HAVING A SOCCER CAMP ONE WEEK BASKETBALL CAMP, AND DIFFERENT FOCUSES ON WHAT WE DO. ARTS, YOGA, EVERY THEATER, EVERY ASPECT OF THOSE THAT WE COULD GO THROUGH. UM, CERTAINLY UTILIZE THE COMMUNITY POOL FOR SOME OF THOSE AND DOING SOME SWIM LESSON PROGRAMS DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR THERE AS WELL. THESE PROGRAMS, UM, THEY'D BE, WE WANT THEM TO REMAIN AFFORDABLE AS ONE OF THE PRIMARY TARGETS. SO PART OF WHAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE BUDGET THERE IS SUBSIDIZING COSTS WHEN THAT WOULD COME INTO CASE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE SUMMER WE DO A MOUNTAIN BIKE CAMP THAT'S ONE OF OUR MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT ALSO MOST WELL LOVED CAMPS THAT SELLS OUT IMMEDIATELY WHEN IT OPENS. UM, THAT IS MORE EXPENSIVE FOR KIDS. SO IF WE WERE TO DO A CAMP LIKE THAT OR THAT TYPE OF PRICE RANGE, THAT WE WOULD AIM TO KEEP THAT AT $25 A DAY PER KID OR THE A HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR THE FOUR DAY WEEK IF THAT'S THE WAY IT WENT. AND DO SUBSIDIZE THAT COST TO KEEP THAT AFFORDABLE FOR THE FAMILIES. OF COURSE, MOST OF THEM WOULD BE LESS THAN THAT, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT WE DO IN-HOUSE. WE COULD DO, YOU KNOW, RUN OUR OWN STAFF LED SOCCER CAMPS OR WE A YOGA INSTRUCTOR OR THINGS LIKE THAT THAT COULD BE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THAT. THAT'S KIND OF THE MAXIMUM EXAMPLE. SO WE'D FOCUS ON THESE PROGRAMS FOR THE COMMUNITY, KEEPING 'EM SAFE, SAFE SUPPORTED, SUPPORTING THE YOUTH WELLNESS, EMPHASIZING HEALTH ASPECTS AND AREAS THAT CAN SUPPORT THE SCHOOL, PRIMARILY SPEAKING WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT, ONE OF THOSE WAS SPORTS FOCUSED. SO WE CAN START FOCUSING ON BUILDING SOME OF THOSE SPORTS PROGRAMS THAT EVENTUALLY WILL GET THOSE KIDS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS, WHICH IS A KEY ASPECT OF KEEPING KIDS IN SPORTS. AND THEN IN SEDONA IN GENERAL, WHEN KIDS GROW UP AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY DON'T HAVE A FOOTBALL PROGRAM OR DON'T HAVE A BASEBALL PROGRAM, THAT'S A BIG TARGET OF PEOPLE LEAVING THE AREA AND GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE. I KNOW AS A KID IT DEFINITELY WOULD DO THAT FOR ME. SO SAME FOR A LOT OF KIDS HERE. THAT HAS BEEN A TARGET THAT WE'VE EMPHASIZED FOR A LONG TIME IS TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO GET LITTLE LEAGUE OR YOUTH BASEBALL, YOUTH VOLLEYBALL, SOME OF THOSE THAT WE'VE MINORLY BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH, WITH SOME PARTNERSHIPS WITH SHOWTIME SPORTS THAT WE NOW HAVE A COUPLE YOUTH TEAMS DOING YOUTH VOLLEYBALL, YOUTH FLAG FOOTBALL, AND PARTICIPATING IN COTTONWOOD. THIS WOULD BE A WAY THAT WE COULD GET THOSE SPORTS GROWING MORE HERE IN ADDITION TO ALL THOSE OTHER PROGRAMS THERE TOO. SO, SO IT'S, ARE YOU ASKING FOR $15,600 IS A, THAT'S A ONE TIME, UH, CAN YOU GO THROUGH, THROUGH THAT? YOU SHOULD HAVE A, A HANDOUT THAT HAS THE FULL DECISION PACKAGE AND JUST LEMME KNOW WHAT SLIDE YOU CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE ON THERE. [03:05:01] SO, SO PART OF THIS, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PART ON THERE, A LITTLE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE COMMUNITY PICNIC AND SOME OF THOSE PORTIONS. ADDING THESE ADDITIONAL, ADDING ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR LIKE WE DO WITH OUR SUMMER CAMP. IT WOULD REQUIRE ONE MORE FULL-TIME RECREATION PROGRAMMING POSITION. SO IT'D BE A REC COORDINATOR TYPE POSITION THAT WE WOULD ADD IN ORDER TO OVERSEE THESE PROGRAMS OPERATIONS AND WOULD ALSO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY PROGRAMS, SUMMER CAMPS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. AS WELL AS SOME ADDITIONAL PART-TIME HOURS FOR HELPING RUN THESE CAMPS AND STAFF THE CAMPS. MANY OF THESE PART-TIME EMPLOYEES WE ALREADY HAVE AS LIFEGUARDS OR SEASONAL EMPLOYEES WITH SCOREKEEPERS OFFICIALS, THINGS LIKE THAT. IT WOULD JUST BE ADDITIONAL HOURS THAT THEY'D BE WORKING IN THERE. AND THEN FUNDING PROGRAM, FUNDING THE SUPPLIES FOR SNACKS, SAFETY EQUIPMENT, AND THEN THE SUBSIDY TO MAKE THOSE COST AFFORDABLE FOR THE KIDS TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE. ONE OTHER IMPORTANT ASPECT OF IT IS WITH OUR RENTALS. SO AS PART OF OUR, THE PERFORMANCE INDICATORS, DURING THIS LAST YEAR WE HAD 394 DAYS OF RENTALS THAT WERE BETWEEN THE HUB REC ROOM AND PAVILION. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AS YOU CAN SEE EVERY DAY ESSENTIALLY, PLUS SOME THAT THOSE FACILITIES ARE BEING RENTED. CERTAINLY SOME OF THOSE DAYS WOULD BE ALL THREE RENTED IN ONE DAY. SO THERE'S OPENINGS IN THERE, BUT WE'RE REALLY AT CAPACITY WITH THE CUSTODIAL SUPPORT THERE AS WELL. SO A BIG PART OF THAT IS WE DO TURN AWAY RENTALS SOMEWHAT FREQUENTLY AS WELL WHEN THERE'S AN EVENT THURSDAY EVENING THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO TAKE A FRIDAY RENTAL THE NEXT DAY OR IT'S, AND OUR CUSTODIANS ARE GREAT, SO IT'S NOT A COMPLAINT ON THEM, BUT IT'S ALSO COULD BE PARKS AND REC STAFF GOING IN AND DOING A QUICK CLEANUP IN BETWEEN AND JUST TRYING TO MAKE THOSE FACILITIES WORK. SO ADDING AN ADDITIONAL CUSTODIAN WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS PROGRAMMING AND ADDITIONAL SCHOOL PROGRAMMING, YOU KNOW, CAMPS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WOULD BE A GREAT REQUEST AS WELL TO HELP MAINTAIN OUR RENTALS AT THE CURRENT CAPACITY AS WELL AS ADD THESE ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS. THE, YEAH. AND THEN BARBARA, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT PAGE. SO HERE'S WHAT WE PUT TOGETHER FOR AN OVERALL COST AND TAKING ON THESE PROGRAMS. SO ESSENTIALLY, LIKE I SAID, IT WOULD BE THE 12 DAYS MINIMUM PER MONTH THAT WE WOULD ADD AN AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM OPEN TO ANYONE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN WITH THESE POSITIONS, THE SUPPLIES, EQUIPMENT, STAFF, AND THEN THE SUBSIDY ESTIMATE IN ORDER TO MAKE THE CAMPS AFFORDABLE AT THAT MINIMUM OF 25 OR AT THE MAXIMUM OF $25 A DAY FOR THE KIDS THERE. SO THESE ARE YEAR ROUND. IT WOULD BE, BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY DO THE SUMMER CAMPS, SO WE ALREADY HAVE 12 TO 13 SUMMER CAMPS THAT WE OFFER OVER THE EIGHT TO NINE WEEKS OF SUMMER. SO ADDING THIS WOULD ESSENTIALLY MAKE SUMMER CAMPS HAPPEN YEAR ROUND. THESE WOULD JUST BE AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS. BRYANT, THANK YOU MAYOR JOSH. I'M STILL TRYING TO TRACK THE 214,000. IS THAT, THAT'S JUST OUR COST TO OFFER THIS AND THEN IT'S OFFSET BY THE FEES THAT ARE CHARGED. IT WOULD NOT BE COMPLETELY OFFSET, BUT YES, THIS WOULD BE OUR COST TO OFFER IT AND THEN WE WOULD RECEIVE THE REVENUE FROM KIDS REGISTERING FOR THOSE CAMPS. CERTAINLY. AND YOU'RE NOT ESTIMATING WHAT THAT USE WOULD BE OF THESE, OF THIS PROGRAM? NO. UM, IN OUR, SO IN OUR SUMMER CAMPS, WE TYPICALLY SELL OUT THE MAJORITY OF OUR SUMMER CAMPS. THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME THAT ARE LESS THAN CAPACITY THERE, BUT WE WOULD BRING THEM IN, WE, YEAH, WE WOULD BRING THEM IN. SO IT WOULD BE CAMPS THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SELL OUT AND CAMPS THAT PEOPLE ARE SEEKING AND WANTING TO SIGN UP FOR. EVEN IN OUR SUMMER CAMPS, WE OFFER THEM AT A LOW COST WHERE WE TRY TO KEEP THEM AFFORDABLE, MANY OF WHICH WE DO LIKE AN 80 20 SPLIT WITH AN INSTRUCTOR IN ORDER TO PAY THEM. SO WE'RE NOT DIRECTLY PAYING OUT REVENUE, WE'RE SPLITTING THAT REVENUE WITH THEM SO THE CITY'S NOT LOSING THE REVENUE THAT'S COMING IN FROM REGISTRATIONS THERE. HOW MANY KIDS TYPICALLY ATTEND A CAMP? VARIES WIDELY, SUCH AS SOCCER CAMP WILL GET BETWEEN 60, 65 AT TIMES. AND OTHERS, LIKE THE THEATER CAMP, WHICH IS A FREE ONE IN THE SUMMER, WE CAN GET UPWARDS OF 80 TO A HUNDRED KIDS THAT'LL SIGN UP FOR THAT. BUT THEN WE'LL HAVE SMALLER ART ONES WHERE WE'LL HAVE 12 OR SMALLER GROUPS LIKE THAT AS WELL, OKAY, SO HELP ME WITH THE BACK OF THE ENVELOPE HERE. SO, SCHOOL YEAR WIDE OPEN TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO STATE THAT WHILE THIS LIKE CAME UP AND HAS A, A LOGO FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THIS REALLY IS FOR CHILDREN OF SEDONA, IRRESPECTIVE OF HOW THEY'RE EDUCATED. YES. SO DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR PROGRAM TO PROGRAM, ON AVERAGE, HOW MANY KIDS WOULD YOU GUESSTIMATE? I KNOW IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW, BUT HOW MANY WOULD YOU GUESSTIMATE PER WEEK WOULD BE PARTICIPATING? SO FROM THE WILD CAT ACADEMY AND THE KIDS THAT THEY GET IN THEIR AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM, THEY SAY THEY HAVE A WEEKLY AVERAGE OF ABOUT 50. AND THEN WEDNESDAYS [03:10:01] WHEN THEY DO THE SHORTER HALF DAYS, THEY HIT BETWEEN 80 AND A HUNDRED BECAUSE OF THAT SHORTENED HALF DAY AND PARENTS WORKING. SO WE'D CERTAINLY ADAPT SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE WEDNESDAYS AS WELL. AND I WOULD ESTIMATE, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS VARIED ON THE CAMP AS WELL, BUT BETWEEN 15 AND 20 EACH DAY WOULD PROBABLY BE A SAFE ESTIMATE. BUT NOW YOU'RE ASKING, AT LEAST FOR THE KIDS THAT ARE ATTENDING THE WILDCAT PROGRAM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING, HEY, I'VE GOT ANOTHER OPTION FOR YOU. AND INSTEAD OF FREE, IT'S NOW UP TO $25 A DAY PER CHILD. SO YOU'RE COMPETING WITH FREE. UH, YOU KNOW, TOM, I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON HOW, HOW IS THIS, DO YOU FEEL THIS IS COMPLIMENTARY TO WHAT YOU ALREADY OFFER? UH, SO I DO BELIEVE IT. UH, GREAT QUESTION. YES, I DO BELIEVE IT'S COMPLIMENTARY. UM, IT BRING, IT DOES BRING UP ONE CONCERN, UM, IN THAT, UM, ANYTHING THAT WE DO WITHIN OUR DISTRICT, WE WANT IT TO BE AS EQUITABLE AS POSSIBLE. AND THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THERE ARE GREAT IDEAS OUT THERE THAT WE SAY MAYBE WE WE'RE NOT READY FOR THAT YET, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT NOT ALL OF OUR STUDENTS CAN PARTICIPATE, THAT WANT TO PARTICIPATE. SO IF, IF THIS WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, WHICH I HOPE IT DOES, I THINK WOULD BE A GREAT BENEFIT TO OUR KIDS IN OUR DISTRICT, BUT OUR ENTIRE KIDS THAT DON'T ATTEND OUR, OUR DISTRICT, UM, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR INTERACTION BETWEEN, UH, SCHOOL, UH, UH, EXCUSE ME, UH, STUDENTS IN OUR DISTRICT AND OUTSIDE OF OUR DISTRICT TO INTERACT, GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER. UM, BUT WE WOULD HAVE SOME PROBABLY WORK ON OUR END TO DO, TO BEST ENSURE THAT THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH LISA OR, OR THEIR, UH, NONPROFITS OR, UH, POTENTIALLY, POTENTIALLY, UM, UH, OUR FOUNDATION TO BEST ENSURE THAT IF A STUDENT WANTS TO GO AND IS NOT ABLE TO GO BECAUSE OF FINANCES, WE WOULD, WE WOULD REALLY WANNA WORK TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN FOR THOSE STUDENTS TO ATTEND. 'CAUSE WE'D HATE TO HAVE THE WILDCAT ACADEMY, 'CAUSE WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE SOME ACTIVITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT OUR, OUR REACH IS A LITTLE BIT, UM, SMALLER THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY AT PARKS AND REC. UM, WE DO HAVE SOME OFFERINGS, BUT IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT THESE, UH, THAT, THAT IS OFFERED THAT ALL THE KIDS ARE EXCITED ABOUT, WE WANT EVERYBODY TO PARTICIPATE. SO, UM, I THINK IT'S A BENEFIT FOR, FROM EVERYBODY. AND I DO NOT SEE IT AS A, UM, I, I GUESS MAYBE THERE'S A LITTLE COMPETITION, UH, THERE. UM, BUT I, I SEE THE OVERALL BENEFIT OF THAT FAR OUTWEIGHING ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT THAT WE WOULD HAVE ON OUR DISTRICT AND OUR KIDS. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEP. AND YOU KNOW, COINCIDENTALLY, NEXT WEEK WE'RE HAVING THIS FIRST COMMUNITY CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF THE TOPICS BEING HOW DO WE MAKE SEDONA BETTER FOR FAMILIES. MM-HMM . SOMEHOW WE NEED TO WORK SOME OF THIS IN, OF, HEY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IF IT DOESN'T COME UP ON ITS OWN? UM, BECAUSE THAT'LL GIVE US A CHANCE FOR SOME MORE INPUT BEFORE WE SET THE TENTATIVE BUDGET, UH, LATER NEXT MONTH. SO, OKAY. I'M SURE OTHERS WILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR TOM OR JOSH HERE. I'LL YIELD, I'D LIKE TO ASK AMY TO COME UP FOR A MINUTE, AND WHY DON'T YOU LEAVE DOING THAT. OKAY. WHEN THE DIRECTOR OF THE CHARTER SCHOOL SPEAKS, I HAVE TO, UH, RECUSE MYSELF, BUT IT'LL ONLY BE A MINUTE FOR A MINUTE, AMY. DOES, WOULD THESE PROGRAMS BENEFIT YOUR KIDS AND ARE YOU IN SUPPORT? OH, MOST DEFINITELY. DO YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT, WELL, I, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A GREAT ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITIES FOR CHILDREN OF SEDONA, WHETHER THEY ATTEND THE CHARTER SCHOOL OR THE DISTRICT SCHOOL, OR THEY'RE HOMESCHOOLED OR MAYBE THEY GO TO A PRIVATE SCHOOL. UM, I THINK THESE ARE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOCIAL INTERACTION AND TO LEARN, UM, TO LEARN HOW TO BE ON A TEAM, POSSIBLY DO SPORTS. YOU KNOW, IT OPENS THEATER OPPORTUNITIES. I, I THINK IT, IT, IT IT'S REALLY A WELL LAID OUT PROGRAM AND YES, I WOULD HOPE THAT SOME OF THE CHARTER STUDENTS WOULD BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS ALSO. THANK YOU. SOMETHING COME ON. SOMETHING. OKAY. I JUST, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON, ON MY END, ACTING AS A SUPERINTENDENT OF SEDONA OAK CREEK SCHOOL DISTRICT, THAT MY, OUR PRIMARY INTEREST IS TO BUILD EXPERIENCES FOR ALL OF OUR FAMILIES IN SEDONA. THAT IN THE END GOAL. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE, UM, THAT ARE SITTING RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME THAT HAVE, UM, THAT SAME GOAL IN MIND. THAT WHEN THAT NARRATIVE, THAT ELEVATOR, YOU KNOW, SPEECH IS OUT [03:15:01] THERE, WHAT IS IT LIKE TO LIVE IN SEDONA? WE WANT EVERYONE TO SAY IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT ABOUT SEDONA OAK CREEK UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT, SOLELY, UM, THIS IS ABOUT ALL OF THE FAMILIES, UH, LIVING HERE IN SEDONA. AND SO I JUST, I JUST WANNA BE REALLY CLEAR FROM MY STANDPOINT. I DO NOT SPEAK FOR THE BOARD ON THAT, ALTHOUGH I, I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF THAT. UM, BUT I JUST, I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO HEAR ME SAY THAT, AND I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR WITH THAT POINT. WELL, YOU'RE STILL UP THERE. UH, YOU SAID THAT YOU'D HAVE TO DO SOME WORK ON YOUR END. UH, JOSH, WHEN WERE YOU THINKING YOU'D HAVE TO HIRE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS? SO WE TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, IT'S NOW APRIL, BUT I'LL JUST CALL IT MAY. 'CAUSE WE'RE AT THE END OF APRIL. I MEAN, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, UH, AVAILABLE AT THE, DO YOU THINK, AT THE START OF THE SCHOOL YEAR? OR IS THAT TOO SOON? YES, I BELIEVE IT'S DOABLE. IF WE WERE TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE JOB POSITION OUT AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS ROLLING. I BELIEVE IT'S DOABLE TO START AT THE START OF THE SCHOOL YEAR AND GO FROM THERE. OKAY. AND ESPECIALLY WORST CASE, IF NOT, WE'D START IT OUT AT THE POOL AND DO THE SWIM LESSONS IN AUGUST UNTIL LABOR DAY AND BEYOND. AND WE WOULD MAKE IT WORK THAT WAY. ABSOLUTELY. AND SO, TOM, YOU SAID YOU HAD SOME WORK TO DO ON YOUR END, UH, IN TERMS OF POTENTIALLY YES, WE CAN RELATE. WE WERE COUGHING UP HERE TOO. I'M, I, I'M, I'M RECOVERING FROM FLU A RIGHT NOW, SO I APOLOGIZE IF MY MIND IS A LITTLE CLOUDY AND I'M, MY CHEST IS CONGESTED. SO WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? I'M SORRY. THE QUESTION WAS, YOU SAID YOU HAD WORK TO DO ON YOUR END, BUT IF WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD AND, UH, AND START THIS, YOU COULD CATCH UP. OH, I, I BELIEVE SO. WE'VE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE TAKEN THE STANCE THAT, AND ANYTHING THAT WE DO, WE MAKE SURE THAT KIDS, UM, CAN BE A PART OF THINGS IF THEY WANNA BE A PART OF THINGS. NOW, THERE MAY BE LIMITS TO THAT. WE MIGHT HAVE TO PUT, UM, YOU KNOW, UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT AND THEN, UH, PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH CAMPS TO BE A PART OF. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. ABSOLUTELY. IT, IT IS. BUT I DO WANNA SAY THAT THAT IS A CONCERN. I DON'T WANT IT TO BE, UM, A, UM, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S VISUALIZING IT THIS WAY EITHER. UM, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE HAVES AND HAVES NOTS, SO. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, PETE AND THEN CHARLOTTE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU SUPERINTENDENT FOR BEING HERE AND SPEAKING TO US ABOUT THIS. AND YOU USED SOME WORDS ABOUT, YOU USED THE WORD COMPETITION, WHICH I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN COMPETITION, BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR THING, I'M NOT SURE I WANT IT TO BE A COMPETITION. I WANT IT TO BE COLLABORATIVE. AND IT SOUNDS TO ME READING BETWEEN THE WORDS THAT YOU USE IS THE $25 A DAY MIGHT BE THE BARRIER THAT MAKES IT NOT, UH, ACCESSIBLE FOR ALL YOUR STUDENTS. AND, AND I'M WONDERING, AT $214,000 75, IF WE DIDN'T CHARGE ANYTHING, HOW MUCH MORE DOES THAT ADD TO THIS? WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN DO TO REMOVE THIS BARRIER FOR STUDENTS? WE CAN CER? SO YES, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A HUGE GOAL ON PARKS AND RECREATION SIDE TOO. WHEN WE DO SUMMER CAMPS OR ANY PROGRAM, WE WANT TO KEEP IT VERY AFFORDABLE. WE DO OUR YOUTH BASKETBALL PROGRAM FOR THE SEASON AT IT'S $35 FOR THE KID TO PLAY, WHICH IS HALF THE PRICE OF EVEN NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES OR REGISTERING, JUST SO WE CAN GET THE KIDS IN AND PLAYING. SO IT'S A BIG GOAL THAT WE WANT TO KEEP AS WELL. AND WITH OUR SUMMER CAMPS, WE DO HAVE SOMEONE THAT HIGHER END, LIKE I GAVE THE EXAMPLE OF, AND WE HAVE OTHERS THAT ARE FREE AND VERY INEXPENSIVE AS WELL AS OFFERING ROTARY CLUB SCHOLARSHIPS, WHICH THEY'RE GENEROUS TO DONATE TO MANY KIDS AS WELL THAT NEED THEM TO GO TO THOSE SUMMER CAMPS. SO IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN WORK AT TO, TO GET THAT LOWER OR HAVE A LOWER MINIMUM COST, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I, WITH THE FREE, IF WE'RE MAKING IT FREE, THE ONLY HESITATION ON THAT IS I WOULD, IT, IT HURTS THE COMMITMENT OR HAVING TO KNOW HOW MANY KIDS ARE COMING EACH DAY. WHEN YOU KNOW, YOU GET A HUNDRED KIDS TO SIGN UP FOR A FREE THING AND 20 SHOW UP, OR YOU'RE EXPECTING 20 AND A HUNDRED SHOW UP. IT PUTS US IN A TOUGH SPOT THERE, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THE CAMPS WANTING A MINIMUM OR A MAXIMUM IN THAT WAY. AS FOR THAT 15,600, THAT WOULD BE THE SUBSIDY TO KEEP ALL OF THEM AT THAT $25. IT REALLY WOULDN'T GO UP THAT MUCH IF WE WERE TO DO DOWN TO $15 OR DOWN TO $10 OR WHATEVER THE COUNCIL FELT COMFORTABLE SETTING AS THAT MINIMUM IN ORDER TO STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF COMMITMENT TO THAT, THAT THEY WOULD BE PAYING FOR AS MOST OF THE CAMPS, WE WOULD AIM TO KEEP AROUND THAT WAY TOO. 25 WAS JUST MORE ON THAT EXTREME END FOR SOME OF THOSE HIGHER QUALITY OR HIGHER EXPENSE [03:20:01] TYPE CAMPS. SO JOSH, WHAT HAPPENS? YOU CHARGE $25 AND SOMEBODY SAYS, I CAN'T AFFORD IT. WHAT DO YOU DO AT THAT POINT? DO YOU SAY, I'M SORRY, YOU CAN'T PARTICIPATE, OR YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT ROTARY SCHOLARSHIP? SO WE'VE WORKED WITH ROTARY IN THE SUMMER THAT THEY HAVE A GREAT SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM THAT KIDS CAN APPLY FOR FOR THEIR CAMPS. AND THEY'VE USED ALL THEIR MONEY EVERY YEAR. THEIR AMOUNT HAS VARIED, BUT THEY'VE USED EVERY AMOUNT OF IT. AND UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE HAD KIDS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO IT OR HAVE FOUND ANOTHER WAY. SOME OF 'EM, YOU KNOW, YARD SALES AND LEMONADE STANDS TO BE ABLE TO RAISE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY TO GO TO THE CAMP AND KIDS HAVE DONE THAT. BUT YES, THAT IT CERTAINLY HAS BEEN A BARRIER AS WELL, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THOSE MORE EXPENSIVE ONES. I, I HAVE A QUESTION. ONCE YOU'RE DONE, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION. OKAY. UH, DEREK, SO EVEN IF THE CAMP WERE FREE THOUGH, YOU WOULD REQUIRE REGISTRATION, RIGHT? YES, I WOULD PUSH FOR THAT ON OUR END WITH THE MAJORITY. YOU DON'T JUST SHOWING UP. YES, BECAUSE THEN WE'RE TURNING INTO IT RUNNING MORE LIKE A DAYCARE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM AND THAT, AND WE DO NOT HAVE THE FACILITY OR STAFF CAPABILITY TO HOST THAT TYPE OF THING. YEAH. DO YOU FIND THAT IF YOU AT LEAST CHARGE SOME NOMINAL FEE THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET MORE CONSISTENT ATTENDANCE OR, YES. SO WE DID IN, WHAT WOULD IT HAVE BEEN? OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, WE RAN A PRESCHOOL SPORTS. SO IT WAS GONNA BE LIKE EVERY THURSDAY MORNING IN NOVEMBER, MAYBE OCTOBER. THAT WAS ONE OF THE ASKS FROM THE COMMUNITY IS MORE PRESCHOOL TYPE ACTIVITIES. SO WE DID THOSE THE FIRST DAY THAT WE DID IT, WE HAD, YOU CAN DROP IN AND PAY $5, SO IT WAS STILL $5, BUT WE WERE DOING DROP IN, NOT REGISTRATION AHEAD OF TIME AND WE HAD 48 KIDS COME TO PLAY YOUTH SOCCER AND WE WERE READY FOR LIKE 20 OF THEM. SO IT WAS NOT HAVING THAT NUMBER AHEAD OF TIME WAS DIFFICULT ON THAT DAY. WE MADE IT WORK, KIDS SHARED A SOCCER BALL BETWEEN THREE OF 'EM AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT FROM THAT POINT WE SHIFTED TO A REGISTRATION FOR THE $5 THAT THEY HAD TO REGISTER AHEAD OF TIME WITH A MAXIMUM LIMIT ON THAT. AND IT WENT MUCH SMOOTHER FROM THAT POINT. IF IT'S FREE, DO YOU, AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE REGISTER, DO THEY REGISTER AND THEN JUST NOT SHOW UP OR, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN WITH THAT. EVEN WITH THE $5 THAT WAS THE CASE IN SOME INSTANCES, BUT HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF COMMITMENT THERE IS NICE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UP CHARLOTTE. AND THEN BRIAN, MINE'S MORE OF A BUDGET QUESTION, SO YOU'RE THE RIGHT PERSON TO BE UP AT THE STAND RIGHT NOW. OKAY. UM, IT'S ABOUT THE CUSTODIAN. IF YOU, IF WE DIDN'T, IF WE DIDN'T GO FORWARD WITH THE, UM, PROGRAM AT ALL MM-HMM . ARE YOU AT A TIPPING POINT IN NEEDING ANOTHER CUSTODIAN? OR IS, WAS THIS JUST THE OPPORTUNE TIME TO ADD THIS IN OR THIS IS THE TIPPING POINT FOR IT OR WHAT? YES, TO ALL OF THAT. IT'S . IT'S ONE THAT OUR THREE CUSTODIANS HERE DO AN AMAZING JOB. THEY CLEAN PARKS, CITY HALL, ALL THE CITY FACILITIES AND DO A GREAT JOB. UM, BUT WHEN WE HAVE HEAVIER RENTALS THAN WE'VE EVER HAD, WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF EXTRA WORK ON THEM IN THAT ASPECT TOO. SO IN ORDER TO KEEP ADDING EXTRA DAYS, THEY'RE GONNA BE USING THE HUB OR REC ROOM OR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CUSTODIAL POSITION, WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO CUT BACK RENTALS A LITTLE BIT AND BLOCK OUT SOME EXTRA RENTAL DAYS FOR CLEANING IN BETWEEN A PROGRAM AND THAT WEEKEND RENTAL. SO, YES. UNDERSTANDABLE. THANK YOU. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M THRILLED. I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WERE THAT MANY KIDS HERE. , I'M THRILLED TO HEAR THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS YOU GET FOR THESE VARIOUS CAMPS. EXISTING CAMPS. YES. IT'S, IT HAS BEEN A SURPRISE EACH TIME. AND TO BE CLEAR, THAT MIGHT NOT 100% BE SEDONA RESIDENTS, BUT WE DO TAKE REGISTRATIONS. WHEN WE TAKE REGISTRATIONS, WE HAVE THEM ENTER AN ADDRESS AND A ZIP CODE FOR FREE PROGRAMS. WE TYPICALLY DON'T, WE DO END UP USUALLY AT ABOUT 75 TO 80% ARE SEDONA OR VOC AS THE TWO, AND THEN THE OTHER 20% WILL SPLIT BETWEEN RIM, ROCKVILLE, COTTONWOOD, OTHERS. SO IT IS A HIGH AMOUNT. AND ESPECIALLY IN THAT PRESCHOOL AGE GROUP, THERE IS A LOT OF, LOT OF PARENTS THAT MOVED HERE DURING COVID TIME ESPECIALLY THAT ARE JUST HAVING KIDS AND IN THAT THREE TO FIVE AGE GROUP THAT ARE COMING UP. THANK YOU JOSH. KURT HARRIS, JUST FOR PETE FERMAN'S SAKE, UM, TO GET BACK ON THE CUSTODIAL YES. WE'RE AT OUR POINT LIQUID, UH, SATURATION POINT. WE HAVE 200 GARBAGE CANS ACROSS THE CITY. IT TAKES ONE PERSON ALL DAY LONG, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK JUST TO PICK UP THE GARBAGE, UM, IN THE CITY FACILITY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE AT THAT BREAK. AND SO WOULD YOU SAY YOU WERE ALREADY AT THE BREAK BEFORE? YEAH, BEFORE. SO WE BRING ON ANY MORE, UM, THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE STAFF, WE'RE GONNA NEED ANOTHER VEHICLE. WE'RE [03:25:01] ALREADY DOUBLING UP ON OUR MAINTENANCE STAFF, UM, ON CUSTODIAL STAFF, ON VEHICLES OR EQUIPMENT. SO WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN, UH, TO USE THE RESOURCES THAT ARE GIVEN TO US AT, TO THE OPTIMUM MAXIMUM POINT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME, BRIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, WHEN JOSH TALKED ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION OF LOWERING THE BARRIER BY, YOU KNOW, A FEE AND HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, I SAW THE EDUCATION PROFESSIONALS IN THE AUDIENCE NODDING THEIR HEADS UP AND DOWN SAYING, YEAH, YOU STILL GOTTA CHARGE SOMETHING. STILL GOTTA HAVE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT ISSUE OF A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE SIGN UP AND FEW ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE. SO I DO THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. UM, SECOND, I, YOU KNOW, I HOPE THAT WE END UP DECIDING, YES, WE WANT TO DO THIS. I HOPE THAT WE CHOOSE TO MAKE IT A LOWER BARRIER THAN PLANNING ON $25 A DAY. AND I HOPE WE CALL THIS PHASE ONE BECAUSE SOMETHING I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME IS, AGAIN, IF WE'RE TRYING TO HELP FAMILIES IN OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S NOT JUST AFTER SCHOOL. IT'S WEEKENDS, IT'S HOLIDAYS, IT'S MORE COVERAGE DURING THE SUMMER. UH, YOU KNOW, WE USED TO GO TO A RESTAURANT THAT HAD A COOK WHO BROUGHT HIS SON IN EVERY SATURDAY MORNING, AND THAT LITTLE BOY SAT IN THE RESTAURANT AT A TABLE, LORD KNOWS FOR HOW MANY HOURS EVERY SATURDAY. 'CAUSE THERE WAS NO PLACE FOR HIM TO BE THAT WAS SAFE. SO I HOPE THAT IF WE CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO HOPE WE CALL THAT PHASE ONE AND LOOK AT HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO AUGMENT TO SUPPORT FAMILIES. AND THESE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WORKING FAMILIES, RIGHT? AND CHANCES ARE THEY'RE FOLKS THAT IF THEY'RE WORKING ON HOLIDAYS, WEEKENDS, ET CETERA, THEN THEY'RE NOT WHITE COLLAR. RIGHT? AND, YOU KNOW, A $25 AN HOUR FEE, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED BUCKS ON SATURDAY, WHATEVER, THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT. RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHY THAT LITTLE BOY WAS SITTING IN THE RESTAURANT. SO I HOPE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT. UH, BUT I DON'T WANT TO CONVOLUTE, UH, MATTERS WITH WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US TODAY. SO KEEP IN MIND PHASE TWO AT SOME POINT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, ASK KURT, BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, DO YOU NEED TO ADD FUNDS? ARE YOU SAYING IF THIS, 'CAUSE JOSH HAS TWO PEOPLE, ONE OF THEM'S THE CUSTODIAN THOUGH. IS THAT SUFFICIENT? YES. SO I THINK WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE DECISION PACKAGE, WHAT STERLING'S ARE GONNA SHOW, WE PROP THOSE COMMENTS. OKAY. ONBOARDING THOSE DECISION PACKAGE. THANK YOU MAYOR. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. YEAH. THANK YOU CHARLOTTE, ANNETTE, THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS INVESTMENT, I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO HEAR IF THIS IS LIKE, LET'S TRY IT ONE YEAR. DO YOU WANNA DO LIKE THE COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDERS AND HAVE A THREE YEAR HORIZON THAT GIVES US A CHANCE TO GET IT UP AND RUNNING, WORK OUT ALL THE KINKS? UM, I THINK HAVING SOME UNDERSTANDING OF THAT EXPECTATION IS IMPORTANT, UM, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO RECRUIT THE PEOPLE TO RUN THE PROGRAM AND ALSO FOR THE FAMILIES TO UNDERSTAND IS IT JUST THIS YEAR THAT IT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE OR IS THIS, UM, THE CITY INTENDING ON HAVING AN EXPANDED OFFERING THROUGH PARKS AND RECREATION MOVING FORWARD. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS ON WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION. THANK YOU. VERY EXCELLENT POINTS, DEREK. UM, I DEFINITELY LIKE THE IDEA OF A THREE YEAR HORIZON. I MEAN, IF IT'S A ONE YEAR THING, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE LIKE, OKAY, WE DON'T WANNA PUT A BUNCH OF EFFORT INTO THIS BECAUSE THEN IT'S GONNA MAYBE GO AWAY. UM, SO I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF, OF SETTING A TIME PERIOD FOR IT AND, UH, HOPEFULLY IT'S POPULAR AND IT WORKS GREAT AND WE RE-UP IT, UH, WHEN THE TIME COMES. BUT, UH, I DO, I APPRECIATE YOU ASKING THAT QUESTION. I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT OF IT THAT WAY, BUT YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD PROVE THIS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. THANKS DEREK. MELISSA. SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK FOR A LOT OF REASONS PARENTS NEED TO HAVE CONSISTENCY. THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT SOMETHING'S THERE THAT THEY CAN RELY ON. AND IF IT'S THERE FOR ONE YEAR AND THEN IT'S GONE, THEN THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO NECESSARILY WITH THEIR KIDS. ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT BE AT WILDCAT ACADEMY, THEY MIGHT BE HOMESCHOOLED, THEY MIGHT BE LOTS OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ALSO GOING ON. AND SO, UM, I, I FEEL LIKE IF WE COMMIT TO THIS AS A, AS A COMMUNITY, WE SHOULD BE COMMITTING TO THIS. UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, JOSH NEEDS TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PROGRAMS WILL WORK AND WHAT PROGRAMS AREN'T WORKING, HOW ALL THIS COMES. YOU CAN'T JUST USE ONE SESSION IN ORDER TO FIGURE THAT OUT. [03:30:01] UM, AND YOU WON'T KNOW UNTIL THE SECOND YEAR AND WORD OF MOUTH HAS SPREAD AROUND HOW THERE'S THIS REALLY COOL ADDITIONAL PROGRAM. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT TAKES A WHILE FOR THESE THINGS TO SORT OF BUILD MOMENTUM. AND SO I'D HATE FOR US TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO GET EXCITED ABOUT NEXT SCHOOL YEAR THEY HAVE A PLACE FOR THEIR KIDS TO GO. OR IF WE'VE GOT ALL THESE YOUNGER KIDS, THREE TO FIVE WHO ARE SUDDENLY FIVE, THEY'RE SUDDENLY SIX AND THE PARENTS ARE GOING, OH, I HAVE SOMETHING TO RELY ON. AND THEN IT'S GONE. SO I, I AGREE WE NEED FOR THIS TO BE AT A MINIMUM OF THREE YEARS. UM, AND I THINK IT'D BE GREAT IF AS A COMMUNITY WE THINK ABOUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANNA COMMIT TO, UM, BEYOND THREE YEARS. PETE HAS HIS HAND RAISED AS WELL, PETE, UH, WELL ACTUALLY CHARLOTTE AND THEN PETE, I AGREE WITH YOU MELISSA, ABOUT THE, THE, UH, CONTINUITY OF IT AND THE COMMITMENT TO IT. MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SORT OF LIKE A COMMUNITY SERVICE, COMMUNITY SERVICE AGREEMENT KIND OF THING, WHO WOULD IT BE BETWEEN? BECAUSE IT IS FOR, UM, NOT JUST THE DISTRICT, NOT JUST THE CHARTER. SO THAT'S A MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF A COURT QUESTION, BUT IF IT'S IN OUR BASE BUDGET, IT'S IN OUR BASE BUDGET. IT'S JUST PARKS AND REC. YEAH, IT'S JUST A PARKS AND REC PROGRAM. OKAY. THERE'S NO CONTRACT. YEAH. AND I THINK THE ONLY, UM, LOGISTICS DETAIL TO WORK OUT WOULD BE SOME ARRANGEMENTS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IF THERE'RE SHARED FACILITIES INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, THEIR FACILITY OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I JUST THINK IT'S GOOD FOR US AS STAFF TO UNDERSTAND THE, UM, PERSPECTIVE OF THE COUNCIL ON, ON THE DURATION. SO IT'S NOT A PILOT PROGRAM NECESSARILY. . OKAY. PETE, THANK YOU, MAYOR. YEAH, I DO SUPPORT A MULTIYEAR THREE YEAR IS IS A FINE AMOUNT OF TIME TO COMMIT TO IT. WHAT EVERYONE SAID. I ADDITIONALLY, I JUST WANT TO POKE BACK AT THE FEE. AND I AGREE, UH, THAT THE, THE FEE THAT WE'D BE CHARGING SHOULD BE ATTAINABLE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. I SUSPECT THAT THE SUPERINTENDENT AND AMY, UH, AND OTHERS AND JOSH WOULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA FOR ME. BUT ON TOP OF THAT, OR MAYBE IT'S BELOW THAT, I WOULD LAYER, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE POT OF MONEY SO THAT WHEN THE SUPERINTENDENT OR AMY COMES TO US AND THEY TELL US THAT THIS KID SHOULD GO, THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT THIS WEEK OR THIS MONTH, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME MONEY THAT PAYS THAT FEE. CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM COUNCIL FERMAN? UH, YOU REFERENCED THE TWO SCHOOLS, BUT WHAT IF, WHAT ABOUT LIKE, RUNNING RIVER SCHOOLS OR PRIVATE SCHOOLS? SO I'M JUST WONDERING HOW YOU TAKE PRIVATE SCHOOL AND HOMESCHOOLED KIDS AS WELL. ARE, ARE YOU INCLUDING THOSE IN, IN YOUR COMMENTS? YEAH, AB ABSOLUTELY I AM. YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE POLICE OFFICERS ON THE STREET THAT HAVE SOME SPENDING MONEY, YOU KNOW, AND THEY MAKE SOME DECISIONS. I THINK WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHO WE ALLOW IN, IN THAT IT HAS A NEED AND, AND MAYBE CAN'T AFFORD THE FEE. SO, BUT YES, IT, IT SHOULD BE OPEN TO ALL THE FAMILIES AND, AND AROUND. THANK YOU. I THINK HE'S REFERRING TO THE IN CLEMENT WEATHER PROGRAM. YES. FOR THE HOMELESS THAT THE POLICE HAVE A FEW DOLLARS TO PUT TOWARDS. COULD IT CHARLOTTE, UM, PETE TOO. YOU MADE ME THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE. AND, AND JOSH WAS TALKING ABOUT THERE ARE KIDS WHO COME TO THE CAMPS NOW, UM, FROM RIM ROCK OR FROM HERE OR THERE. I AM PRESUMING THEIR PARENTS WORK IN TOWN. AND SO IT'S A WAY FOR THEM TO HAVE SOME AFTERSCHOOL CARE, UM, WHILE THEY'RE WORKING. SO WOULD THIS BE AVAILABLE AGAIN TO NON SEDONA RESIDENTS EVEN? I THINK SO. THEY'RE CONNECTED TO OUR COMMUNITY YEAH. AS WORKFORCE. YEAH. I WOULD THINK, I WOULD THINK THAT JOSH WOULD RUN THIS EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. HE RUNS ALL OF HIS OTHER PROGRAMS, WHICH HE, HE KNOWS WHERE THEY'RE FROM DEMOGRAPHICALLY, HE KNOWS WHERE THEY'RE FROM GEOGRAPHICALLY, HE KNOWS WHERE THEY'RE FROM. BUT IT'S, IT'S IRRELEVANT AS FAR AS THEY CAME, THEY COMMITTED. AND I, I THINK THAT THAT'S REASONABLE. IT'S THE SAME WITH ANY OF OUR EVENTS, RIGHT? ALL OF OUR EVENTS ARE SEDONA EVENTS, BUT LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE COME. DEREK DID YOU? OKAY. ALRIGHT, LET'S, I'M GONNA SUGGEST WE DO EVERYTHING AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE MM-HMM . SO WE HEAR OUT ALL OF THIS AND THEN WE OKAY. IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH IT? ALRIGHT. SO THE NEXT ONE, BUT I DON'T REALLY WANNA DO IT THIS WAY. I WANNA DO [03:35:01] ALL THE SEDONA OAK CREEK FIRST SO THAT OUR VICE AMERICANS STAY ON THE HIGHEST. SO LET'S SKIP THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR THE CHARTER SCHOOL AND MOVE ON TO THE LANDSCAPING MAINTENANCE. ARE WE GONNA BE BREAKING IN THE MIDDLE OF LUNCH FOR THIS? HMM? ARE WE GONNA BE BREAKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS FOR LUNCH? NO, WE'LL FINISH THIS. OKAY. I WAS GONNA SAY WE COULD TAKE THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT SO THAT AMY WOULDN'T HAVE TO STICK AROUND IF SHE DIDN'T WANT TO. OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE WANTS TO STICK AROUND OR NOT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE THAT LONG. OKAY. YOU'RE BASING THAT ON THE FIRST ONE. . . THAT WAS AN EASY ONE. OPTIM STICK TOO. YEAH, JUST KEEP MOVING. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS NEXT ONE IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PARK LANDSCAPING MAINTENANCE. CAN I SUGGEST WE TAKE THAT ONE LAST? I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE THE TOUGH ONE. THE TOUGHEST ONE. OKAY. LET'S GO TO THE HIGH SCHOOL SECURITY CONSULTANT AND WE CAN HAVE PD COME UP. HELLO AGAIN. HELLO. SO, UH, I HAVE COMMANDER PENNER AND ACTING COMMANDER YOUNG HERE AS WELL, SINCE THEY DID BOTH SITE VISITS SO THAT THEY CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. DID YOU JUST WANT US TO GO OVER IT? DO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? GO OVER IT, PLEASE. OKAY. SO THE CONSULTANT WOULD THAT, THAT'S ONE PART OF THE PACKAGE PACKAGE WE PUT TOGETHER WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A CONSULTANT COME IN, WORK WITH BOTH US AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO IDENTIFY, UM, ANY ISSUES THAT THEY SEE AND DO A THREAT ASSESSMENT. AND THEN FROM THERE, FROM THE CONSULT, GIVE US OTHER SUGGESTIONS THAT MAYBE WEREN'T TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN WE DID OUR INITIAL REVIEW. UM, SO WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THE PACKET, UH, THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION IN THERE. WE ALREADY HAVE SOME THINGS THAT WE, I IDENTIFIED OVER THE YEARS BEING FENCING, UM, SOME LANDSCAPING AS WELL THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I HAD MENTIONED YESTERDAY WAS AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, THERE'S AN AREA THAT, UM, ALL THE STUDENTS CON CONJUGATE, UM, FOR LUNCHTIME THAT IS PROBLEMATIC FOR WHERE IT IS ON, ON CAMPUS TO ACCESSIBILITY FROM POTENTIALLY BAD ACTORS FROM OUTSIDE THAT WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY WANT TO ADDRESS. AND THEN FROM THE REST OF THE SCHOOL FENCING IT ENTIRELY MOVING SOME SIGNAGE AROUND THAT LETS PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS. THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A GATE THAT'S BACK BY ON YOUR WAY TO GO TO THE TENNIS COURTS THAT USED TO BLOCK JUST OUTSIDE THE TRAIL HEAD. BUT SINCE THAT TRAIL HAD HAD BEEN MOVED, WE WANNA MOVE THAT GATE CLOSER TO THE ROADWAY FOR SCHOOL STAFF AND FOR ACCESSIBILITY. SO SOME OF, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD PUT IN ALSO ADDRESSED, UM, A THREE YEAR PROCESS. SO SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO RIGHT NOW, NEXT YEAR, AND THEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR TO INCREASE THAT SECURITY. SO THE CONSULTANT SPECIFICALLY WOULD COME IN AND DO AN ASSESSMENT OF, OF THE, THE BOTH SCHOOLS ACTUALLY OF WEST SEDONA AND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, OR I MEAN WEST SEDONA AND THE HIGH SCHOOL. KATHY, I HAVE A QUESTION TO THAT. WITH A CONSULTANT COMING IN AND IDENTIFYING THINGS BEYOND WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED, HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT ONGOING COSTS? HAVE THAT BEEN ATTRIBUTED IN THE NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED? NO, NO, NO MA'AM. THAT'S WHY IF WE SEPARATE IT OUT, WE NEED TO HAVE THE CONSULTANT COME IN. I MEAN, AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT WE DO THREAT ASSESSMENTS, BUT IF THE SCHOOL WANTS TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S INDEPENDENT TAKING WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT THEY HAVE AND LOOKING AT IT, THEN THAT'S WHAT THE CONSULTANTS FOR. UM, WE COULD ALSO DO THAT WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, BUT IF THEIR DESIRE IS TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT PERSON COME IN, THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD COVER. HOWEVER, IDEALLY, THEY ARE GONNA COME IN WITH ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT THEY WOULD WANT ADDRESSED. ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, WE HAVE ONE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER ON RIGHT NOW, WE USED TO HAVE TOO MANY YEARS AGO, AND THAT WAS DIVIDED BETWEEN THE HIGH SCHOOL AND WEST SEDONA. RIGHT NOW, PRIMARILY OUR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER WORKS OUT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL AND WILL GO TO WEST SEDONA BASED ON NEEDS OR AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK. SO I'M GOING JUST TO ASSUME THAT MOST WANT TO HAVE A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER AT EVERY SCHOOL. THAT'S HOW MOST CITIES, UM, HAVE IT SET UP. WHAT CHANGED FOR US MANY YEARS AGO WAS THE, THE PARTNERSHIP OF SUPPORTING THAT PROGRAM WAS EITHER LIKE A 50 50, 60 40 AND THE CITY DECIDED TO TAKE THAT FULLY FUNDED WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO WE'VE ALWAYS PRIORITIZED HAVING SOMEBODY REMAIN AVAILABLE TO THE SCHOOLS. SO I, I MEAN, IF I, IF I WERE, AND I'M JUST ASSUMING AND GUESSING THAT THAT WOULD COME UP AGAIN, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S MOSTLY WHAT SCHOOLS TRY TO DO, IS HAVE SOMEBODY ON CAMPUS TO DEAL WITH ANYTHING THAT COMES UP AND TO REDUCE RISK. WHEN DID THAT DECREASE FROM TWO TO ONE? [03:40:01] AARON, WOULD YOU MIND LOOKING BACK? I, I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT BECAUSE WHEN IT WAS A GRANT FUNDED AND THEN WHEN WE TOOK IT ON AND THEN ROLLED IT INTO ONE, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT YEAR. I THINK IT WAS AROUND 2009 IS WHEN WE MADE AN ADJUSTMENT FOR THE FUNDING PORTION. AND THEN SOMEWHERE AFTER THAT WE WENT FROM TWO TO ONE. SO I CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON SPECIFICALLY THOSE DATES IF THAT HELPS. UM, THAT'S JUST MY MEMORY OF OVER THE YEARS. YEAH, CIRCA WAS FINE. IT'S 2005. DEREK, IF CHARTER WERE INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF THIS CONSULTATION, COULD THAT BE ACHIEVED? YEAH, IT MIGHT CHANGE THE COST JUST SLIGHTLY, BUT OF COURSE. OKAY. PETE, DID YOU HAVE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? THAT WAS, JARED JUST ASKED THE QUESTION. I WANTED TO ASK IF, IF, UH, AMY WAS EVEN ASKED OF WHETHER SHE WANTED THIS OR NOT, BUT I, I WOULD CERTAINLY WANT IT TO BE OPEN TO THE CHARTER SCHOOL. UH, AND THEN CHIEF, WHEN YOU'RE GETTING THE NUMBER ABOUT DATA, ABOUT WHEN THE THING WAS, UH, THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS WENT FROM TWO TO ONE, LET'S ALSO TELL US WHAT THE POPULATION OF THE SCHOOLS WERE AT THOSE TIMEFRAMES TOO. OKAY. WE CAN LOOK BACK AND SEE WHAT INFORMATION WE CAN FIND FROM IT. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE DIDN'T LEAVE, UM, THE CHARTER SCHOOL OUT INTENTIONALLY WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT TO US LAST WEEK AND WE WERE WORKING QUICKLY. IT WAS JUST BETWEEN THE TWO SCHOOLS TO GO TALK TO. SO OF COURSE WE WOULD INCLUDE THEM. AND THE $81,000 THAT YOUR REQUEST WOULD INCLUDE THE ABILITY TO DO THE CHARTER SCHOOL, WOULD THAT COST MORE MONEY? WE PUT THAT TOGETHER. UM, I HAD PUT OUT SOME EMAILS FOR SOME CONSULTANT GROUPS. THEY HADN'T GOTTEN BACK TO ME WITH A COST. SO THIS IS REALLY JUST A GUESSTIMATE. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD GO UP OR NOT. UH, THIS, THIS WAS OUR, OUR BEST FACTOR AND OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD TRY AND WORK WITH THE MONEY THAT WE HAD IN NEGOTIATING. SURE. JUST A QUICK QUESTION TO SOMEBODY. PROBABLY BARBARA. UM, PART OF THE PROPOSAL IS SOME FUNDING FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, UH, 55,000 FOR SOME FENCING AND SOME SIGNAGE BOTH AT THE HIGH SCHOOL. WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM? WHERE WOULD IT COME FROM? UHHUH, ? UM, IT WOULD, WELL THIS WOULD BE OPERATIONAL SO IT WOULD COME OUT OF THE OPERATIONAL, UH, REVENUE THAT'S COMING IN. SOME OF THAT 10 MILLION THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING? YES. WELL, IT'S NOW NINE, BUT YEAH. YES. . YEAH. OKAY. AMY, I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT 'CAUSE YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, BUT IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN? SECURITY ASSESSMENT? OKAY. COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO CHARLOTTE ASKED ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IF WE'RE EXTENDING IT TO CHARTER, DO YOU ALSO THEN NEED TO TALK WITH RUNNING RIVER AS A PRIVATE SCHOOL? OR ARE WE ONLY DOING THIS FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS? THAT'S A KIRK QUESTION. OH, I'M LOOKING AT KURT THEN. THAT'S NOT A LEGAL QUESTION. IT'S A, A BUSINESS DECISION. SO THEN I'M ASKING COUNSEL, RIGHT? YES. I I SEE TOM COME UP. SO YOU WANNA WEIGH IN ON THIS? I I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOUR CONVERSATION 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE NO, NO, GO AHEAD. SO THE ONE, GOSH, I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. I'M STRUGGLING. . UM, THE ONE I GUESS, UM, CONCERN, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SMART OF ME TO SAY ALOUD OR NOT, BUT I'M JUST GONNA SAY IT. WE BRING IN THIS CONSULTANT AND THE, THE PRICE TAG FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CAMPUS IS EXORBITANT. AND THE CITY SAYS THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN COVER AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN COVER. OR OUR HAND IS FORCED TO COVER IT BECAUSE NOW PUBLICLY THE CONSULTANT SAYS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DO. THAT GIVES ME PAUSE. UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE, EVEN WITH THE, THE GENEROUS PROPOSALS THAT ARE, THAT ARE ON THE TABLE, THERE IS MORE TO BE DONE, MUCH MORE TO BE DONE THAN WHAT IS COVERED IN THESE PROPOSALS. SO I JUST WANNA BE MINDFUL OF THAT, UM, AND MOVING FORWARD. AND I I WOULD ASK THAT THE, THE CITY BE MINDFUL OF THAT AS WELL. HANG ON A SECOND. ARE YOU SAYING, UM, THAT PERHAPS FROM YOUR POSITION WHEN YOU CAME IN FRONT OF US, YOU ASKED FOR FENCING MM-HMM . UM, AND YOU KNOW, JUST [03:45:01] A FEW THINGS. SO YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR THE CONSULTANT. ARE YOU SAYING YOU'D RATHER WE JUST DO THE FEW THINGS YOU ASKED FOR, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE THE FENCING THAT'S CURRENTLY IN FISCAL YEAR 28, AND THEN SOME IN FISCAL YEAR 26, BUT NOT NECESSARILY DO THE PROFESSIONAL ASSESSMENT? NO, I, I I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. I, I, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A BIT OF AN OVERSTATEMENT. UM, IT JUST GIVES ME A LITTLE CONCERN BECAUSE YOU BRING IN A THIRD PARTY, THERE'S LESS CONTROL OVER WHAT I I IS OUT THERE. I WOULD WANT TO HAVE, UM, 'CAUSE I'M NOT A SECURITY EXPERT, YOU KNOW, I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT I'M AN EXPERT IN, BUT IT'S NOT SECURITY. UM, YOU KNOW, I TRUST OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. I THINK THAT, UM, THEY, THEY'VE BEEN A WONDERFUL PARTNER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. UM, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD DO IS I, I WOULD, UM, I WOULD LEAN ON THE, THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S RECOMMENDATION AND ALSO, UM, UH, COUNSEL, UH, TO ADVISE ON THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST WHEN I'VE WORKED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHAT, WHAT THEY HAVE ADVISED, I THINK HAS BEEN VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH WHAT WE SEE. BUT I'M NOT, UM, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON, ON CAMERA ANGLES AND THE QUALITY OF VIDEO IN, IN, IN WIFI. UM, I CAN TELL YOU AT A VERY BASIC LEVEL THAT, UM, FENCING NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED. OH, HI. I'M JUST GONNA HELP YOU WITH SOMETHING. THANK YOU. I'LL, I'LL, I'LL STEP ASIDE. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD WANNA DO, SIMILAR TO EVEN OUR CAMPUS SECURITY, IS TO KEEP THINGS IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND UNDER FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT FROM A THREAT ASSESSMENT TO BECOME A PUBLIC DOCUMENT OR ELSE YOU'RE ALSO JUST GIVING THE PLAYBOOK OUT. SO I THINK TO ADDRESS SOME OF HIS CONCERNS WOULD BE TO DO THE SAME. WE DON'T ACTUALLY WANNA PUBLICLY SAY WHAT ALL THE THINGS ARE FENCING'S EASY TO SAY OUT LOUD TO EVERYBODY NOW. UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S JUST A NORMAL THING. WE DO IT AT OUR, AT OUR OWN HOUSES AS LONG AS WELL AS CAMERAS. RIGHT? BUT WE DON'T ACTUALLY TELL EVERYBODY EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. SO I WOULD, I WOULD WANT THAT TO BE UNDER CONSIDERATION TOO, THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE A DOCUMENT THAT WOULD BE FOR PUBLIC USE. THAT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER. I MEAN, WE CHIEF, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU COULD HANDLE INTERNALLY? DO YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT? WE DO THREAT ASSESSMENTS. WE DO 'EM AT CHURCHES. WE DO 'EM AT SCHOOLS. SO YES, WE DO HAVE THAT ABILITY. UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE WANTED SOMETHING THAT WAS INDEPENDENT THAT WAS TAKING BOTH CONSIDERATIONS, IF THAT HELPED, WE COULD DO THAT. SO WE, WE DO HAVE THAT CAPABILITY TO DO IT IN-HOUSE AND, OR FOR MORE OF A MINIMAL COST. YOU KNOW, GET SOMEBODY IN A SPECIFIC, UM, SPECIALTY TO HELP US. IF WE CAME ACROSS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AT A LOWER COST, JUST THINKING THAT WE MORE MONEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT SOME THINGS. WE DIDN'T SPEND IT ON CONSULTANTS. DO YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT? I MEAN, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, DO YOU HAVE PEOPLE AVAILABLE WHO CAN DO THIS ON A EXPEDITED BASIS? YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE TO SHIFT AROUND SOME OTHER PRIORITIES, BUT WE COULD, WE COULD GET IT DONE AND, AND EVEN USE SOME OF OUR PARTNERSHIPS FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS, UM, THAT ALSO HAVE THIS SKILL AND, AND GET IT DONE. OKAY. I MEAN, I, TO TOM'S POINT, WE CAN'T NOT ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE WE'RE AFRAID OF THE ANSWER WE MIGHT GET. BUT I DO, LIKE, I'M HAPPY YOU BROUGHT UP THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW THE ANSWERS. PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. YEAH, CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I WAS GONNA MENTION THE SAME THING. SOME OF THESE SECURITY THINGS, THREAT ASSESSMENTS, WE HAVE ROUTINELY KEPT PRIVATE. SO I THINK WE CAN DO THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, TO ANSWER, I THINK IT WAS OFFICER DOUG'S QUESTION OR KINSELLA, UH, I, I VIEW THIS ACTIVITY DIFFERENT THAN AFTER SCHOOL ACTIVITY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY. AND SO FOR THIS, I WOULD SAY IT IS ONLY THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THE CHARTER SCHOOL, NOT THE OTHER SCHOOLS IN OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK IT'S UP TO THEM TO ADEQUATELY COST THE COST OF PRIVATE EDUCATION. CHARLOTTE, JUST TO TAG ONTO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, PETE, I JUST WANNA REMIND PEOPLE THAT RUNNING RIVERS IN A LEASED CHURCH FACILITY NOW, AND I HAVE NO IDEA HOW LONG, MUCH LONGER THAT WILL CONTINUE. UM, BUT THE IDEA OF, OF HAVING AN ASSESSMENT AND THEN SOME KIND OF CAPITAL EXPENDITURES TO PUT IN A LEASED FACILITY FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. DEREK, UH, CHIEF, SORRY, I THINK I GAVE KURT CREDIT FOR SOMETHING YOU SAID, BUT, UM, THE OTHER THING I THINK THAT THIS ASSESSMENT WE'LL NEED TO LOOK AT AND WILL DEPEND IN PART ON OUR NEXT DECISION PACKAGE, WHICH [03:50:01] IS ABOUT THE CITY POTENTIALLY TAKING OVER USE OF SOME FACILITIES. BECAUSE IF THE INTENTION IS TO OPEN SOME OF THESE FACILITIES TO THE PUBLIC, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL MEASURES. UM, I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE THE CITY HAS ASKED TO USE SCHOOL FACILITIES, YOU KNOW, AFTER, AFTER SCHOOL WHEN THERE ARE STILL STUDENTS ON CAMPUS. SO, UM, I, PART OF THIS IS GONNA HAVE TO TAKE WHATEVER WE DECIDE ABOUT THAT INTO AN ACCOUNT SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT JUST THE SECURITY SITUATION AS IT STANDS NOW, BUT WHERE IT MAY BE A YEAR FROM NOW IF THE CITY IN FACT STARTS USING SOME OF THESE FACILITIES. ABBY, I JUST WANNA SPEAK TO COUNCILOR HOSSEINI'S POINT. UM, I WORKED WITH A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION, FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATION THAT WAS LEASING SPACE FROM A DIFFERENT FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATION. UM, THE FIRST ONE GOT A THREAT ASSESSMENT FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEN THEY DISCUSSED THE RESULTS OF THAT WITH THEIR LANDLORDS. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, A LEASE VERSUS A OWNERSHIP IS, IS A, IS A MAJOR OBSTACLE. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. SO DEREK, THAT'S WHY I WAS STEPPING FORWARD TO SAY PRETTY MUCH THAT, THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT SECURITY, IF, IF, IF, AND THIS IS CONTINGENT UPON THE, THE OTHER TOPIC, BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO PARTNER TOGETHER AND OPEN UP, UM, OUR ATHLETIC FACILITIES, UM, WHICH I HOPE WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO SO THAT WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC, THAT WILL, THAT WILL INCREASE, UM, BOTH, UM, LOCAL RESIDENTS, UM, USING FACILITIES, BUT ALSO TOURISTS USING THOSE FACILITIES. AND WHERE, UM, WE HAVE HAD STRUGGLES IS IN THE, UM, PHYSICAL NATURE, THE AMBIGUITY OF THE, THE PHYSICAL NATURE OF THE, OF THE CAMPUSES AND, AND PUBLIC SPACES. AND OFTENTIMES IT'S JUST PEOPLE TRYING TO NAVI, THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT. THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE, HEY, SHOULD I BE HERE? SHOULDN'T I BE HERE? CAN I BE HERE? CAN'T I BE HERE? AND, UM, BUT WE DO RUN INTO OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMBATIVE THAN THAT, LET'S JUST SAY. SO I THINK WHAT, UH, AND I'M, I'M GETTING A LITTLE AHEAD OF MYSELF. I KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THIS OTHER PIECE, BUT I DO THINK THAT IN MY OPINION, THESE ARE VERY MUCH CONNECTED IN THAT, UM, IF, IF WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, UH, INCREASING OUR SHARED SPACES, UM, WHICH WOULD BE A GREAT BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY, I THINK THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO DOUBT FOR ANYBODY COMING IN WHEN AND WHERE THEY ENTER. UM, AND WHEN IT IS CLOSED, IT IS CLOSED. WHEN IT IS OPEN, IT IS OPEN AND IT'S, AND IT GOES BEYOND A, OUR SEC, YOU KNOW, UH, ONE OF OUR, OUR PRINCIPALS OR A TEACHER SAYING, HEY, WE'VE GOT STUDENT ON CAMPUSES, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T BE HERE. OR WE'VE GOT A TRACK MEET RIGHT NOW, OR WE'VE GOT TRACK PRACTICE. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC. IT'S IT, UH, FOR US. IT, IT CAN BE, WELL, IT, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE, BUT IT'S ALSO A PR ISSUE AS WELL BECAUSE PEOPLE LEAVE, UH, OFTEN SOME PEOPLE ARE VERY UNDERSTANDING OF IT, DON'T GET ME WRONG. BUT THERE ARE NUMEROUS PEOPLE WHO LEAVE THAT PLACE. I, YOU KNOW, I PAY TAXES. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS MY TRACK AS AS MUCH AS IT'S YOURS. AND YES, WE WANT PEOPLE TO USE THOSE, THOSE, UM, THE, THE TRACK FACILITY OR WHATEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE, BUT AT THE TIMES THAT ARE SAFE TO DO SO. SO I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON THAT AND, AND REITERATE IN THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE TWO ARE VERY MUCH CONNECTED AND I THINK THE ASSESSMENT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE EITHER WAY. IT WILL JUST BE THE SCOPE OF THE ASSESSMENT DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DECIDE IN OUR NEXT PACKAGE. OKAY. SO THE LAST IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PARK LANDSCAPING MAINTENANCE. PERFECT SEGUE INTO THAT. AND THAT'S PUBLIC WORKS. YEP. MAYOR, COUNCILOR COUNCIL. YES. WE, YOU KNOW, PUT THIS TOGETHER PRETTY QUICKLY ON WHAT WE BEST CAME WERE ASSUMPTIONS. MY TEAM DID IT BY SQUARE FOOTAGE. UM, I'M TRYING TO BREAK OUT WHAT THOSE POTENTIAL COSTS ARE. I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE SAME DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF YOU THAT I HAVE. IT KIND OF BREAKS IT UP. IT WAS DONE BY A SQUARE FOOTAGE. WE FIGURED THAT WOULD BE THE BEST. AND IN THERE, UH, MAYOR, IT TALKS ABOUT, THIS SAYS DECISION PACKAGE 93 SCHOOL, [03:55:01] DISTRICT PARK LANDSCAPE. AND THEN THIS IS THE COST BREAKOUT BETWEEN WEST SEDONA SCHOOL AND THE HIGH SCHOOL. STERLING. DID YOU GET THAT? HAVE THAT, YEAH. YEAH. I WILL GIVE YOU A MINUTE TO REVIEW. UM, PROBABLY BE BEST THAT WAY PETE PERMIT CAN SEE AS WELL. MAKE SURE, DID YOU, THIS ONE? LEMME TRY AGAIN. OKAY. I'LL HAVE TO KEEP WORKING ON IT IF YOU WANT TO LIKE MOVE AHEAD. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. UM, BUT THIS DOCUMENT TRIED TO CATCH EVERYTHING OF YOUR COMMENTS. WE BROKE IT OUT BETWEEN, UH, THE WEST, UM, SEDONA SCHOOL AND THE HIGH SCHOOL. AND AGAIN, IT TALKED ABOUT IN HERE AS WELL OF THE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO IF WE HAD INDEPENDENTLY JUST THE HIGH SCHOOL OR INDEPENDENTLY JUST THE WEST SEDONA SCHOOL. I BELIEVE IF THEY WERE BOTH JOINED, UM, WE COULD PROBABLY TRY TO LOOK AT MAYBE A, A REDUC REDUCED AMOUNT OF FTES, UM, IF THEY WERE COMBINED. UM, NOT ON THIS THAT I'VE SEEN, WE TALKED ABOUT, WE'D PROBABLY NEED AN ADMINISTRATOR TO HELP US ADMINISTER THAT BECAUSE WE'RE AT OUR, OUR MAX THAT'S JUST HANDLING THE CONTRACTS BETWEEN OUR STAFF AND THE VENDORS. AM I CORRECT THAT THE REQUESTED AMOUNT ON THIS IS, OR THE ESTIMATED AMOUNT IS 1 MILLION 9 2 2 1 21? CORRECT. BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO A SLIDE THAT SAYS 1 8 2 7 8 3 4. SO I BELIEVE IT'S THE HIGHER NUMBER. OKAY. THE CHALLENGE IS, IS THAT THE MORE WE LOOK AT IT, THE MORE WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONSERVATIVE AND COVER COSTS. TO GIVE YOU GUYS REFLECTIVE NUMBERS, WE WOULD HATE TO COME TO YOU AND SAY, OH, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH. WE'RE ANTICIPATING WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO REALLY DETERMINE, UH, THE CONDITIONS FOR THE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS. AND, UH, JUST LIKE WE MENTIONED THE WEST, UH, SEDONA SCHOOL, THAT WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO US. 'CAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE OUR POSSE, GROUND YARD AND EQUIPMENT AND SO ON. SO IT'S SO PROXIMAL IT'D BE EASIER TO MOVE AND OUR VENDORS, UM, LANDSCAPERS ONTO THAT CAMPUS VERSUS THE HIGH SCHOOL. SO WE TRY TO INCORPORATE THAT, THE LOGISTICS OF IT AS WELL. OH, THERE, IT'S, SO THAT REALLY IS THE, THE DOCUMENT I'M LOOKING AT THAT CAPTURES REALLY WELL THAT THANKS TO STERLING, UM, KATIE, MY STAFF AND RYAN, UH, THEY TRY TO GET AS MUCH, UH, TIME AND EYES ON IT TO BE COMPREHENSIVE AS POSSIBLE. THAT DOESN'T SAY THAT WHEN WE'RE OUT THERE THAT WE'LL FIND SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO DO. UH, MAYBE A SINGLE, UH, INCIDENT PURCHASE ON. DID YOU CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, PIECEMEALING SOME OF THIS THAT MAYBE NOT THAT ENTIRE PROJECT? I MEAN, I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT, AGAIN, THIS IS STUFF THAT WE'RE, FIRST OF ALL, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MIXING TAX BASES FOR THINGS THAT ARE SO STRUCTURAL. YOU'VE GOT A SCHOOL DISTRICT TAX AND THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A PROPERTY TAX, BUT WE HAVE VERY GOOD TAX REVENUE, LUCKILY. BUT I'M, THERE'S THINGS IN HERE LIKE EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD BE PURCHASED ONLY FOR THIS PROJECT. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A TRUCK, A MOWER, UM, YOU'VE GOT THE RESURFACING. SO I'M WONDERING IF SOME OF THIS COULD BE SEPARATED OUT. PUTTING ALL OF THIS TOGETHER AS ONE PROJECT IS, IS CONCERNING TO ME BECAUSE IF WE DID THIS AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH ONE OF THESE AS LIKE A THREE YEAR PILOT, UM, IF THIS WAS, WHAT, HOW WAS THAT EQUIPMENT? IF THIS DIDN'T CONTINUE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S THREE STAFF MEMBERS. I, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE WERE, LIKE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT HOW SCHOOL SECURITY, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE OF AN A PD DOING AN IN-HOUSE THREAT ASSESSMENT AS A POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE. ARE THERE POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVES TO WHAT'S LAID OUT IN THIS SCENARIO? YES, BECAUSE THE DISTRICT ALSO PROVIDED WHAT THEIR CONTRACTED, UM, VENDOR CHARGES THEM FOR THESE MAINTENANCE OPTIONS. AND SO WE HAD ASKED OUR STAFF WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IF WE DID IT IN-HOUSE AND, UM, PROVIDED THAT SERVICE SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE THAT COMPARISON. SO IN THE MEMO YOU RECEIVED FROM COUNSELOR [04:00:01] HUI AND DUNN, I BELIEVE THAT INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SAID THEY SPEND ON LANDSCAPING AND MAINTENANCE, CORRECT. UM, PER MONTH. UM, THEY SOMETHING LIKE PROVIDED THE, UM, THE DISTRICT PROVIDED TO US WHAT THEY SPEND, BUT WE, WHAT'S IN OUR MEMO IS MORE WHAT THEIR ASK IS. RIGHT. SO WHAT, OKAY. SO THE SPEND ITSELF IS NOT REFLECTED THERE AS I RECALL. I THINK THERE'S OPTIONS. SO IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO HELP THE DISTRICT MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTIES, THEIR THIRTIES, THEY'RE LANDSCAPING, IT'S, I I WOULD LIKE TO A BIGGER QUESTION OF LIKE HOW MUCH OF IT AND SHOULD WE DO IT WITH OUR STAFF? SHOULD THEY, SHOULD WE CONTRACT IT? I MEAN IT'S, UM, LESS CLEAR. AND, AND MAYOR COUNSEL, IF I MIGHT, THIS WAS ALSO DISCUSSED FIRST IN THE CONNECTION WITH THE SHARED RECREATIONAL FACILITIES. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN A, A SOCCER FIELD OR SOFTBALL FILLER BASEBALL FIELD, UM, AND SO THAT CAN BE MORE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR USE AND BE UP TO, UM, UH, GOOD STANDARDS, THEN THAT MIGHT INCLUDE SOME LANDSCAPING AROUND IT. UM, AND I THINK COUNSELOR DUNN AND COUNSELOR HOSSEINI WERE BOTH IN THERE. AND IT WASN'T NECESSARILY TO TAKE ON ALL, UH, LANDSCAPING MAINTENANCE AT THE SCHOOLS. AT LEAST NOT, UH, INITIALLY THERE'S GONNA BE, THE INITIAL IDEA WAS, OKAY, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE USING THESE FOR, FOR EXPANDED PUBLIC USE, THEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE TRACK, UH, MAYBE THE CITY COULD HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITY TO THERE TOO NOW. BUT THAT IS A LOT TO FIGURE OUT. AND OBVIOUSLY WE'VE ONLY HAD LIKE A WEEK OR TWO TO, TO DO IT. UM, IT, WHERE THIS IS HEADED IS, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF NEED A BUDGET LEVEL, I GUESS, FROM COUNCIL, BUT WE'D HAVE TO WORK THIS OUT IN AN AGREEMENT OVER THE NEXT, UH, MONTH OR TWO AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL, UH, FOR, TO, TO ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT THE EXACT AMOUNT AND WHAT THE CITY'S GOING TO MAINTAIN AND NOT. SO I JUST WANNA GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF LIKE SOMETHING IN HERE THAT TO BE IS PALATABLE, UM, IS THE, IF THE TENNIS COURT RESURFACING WAS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY DID AND IT'S, AND THE TENNIS COURT WAS GUARANTEED TO BE OPEN TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, I THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE TYPE OF, OF PROJECT TO TAKE ON WHERE IT'S SIMILAR TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE POOL, IT'S OWNED BY THE SCHOOL, BUT THE PUBLIC IS USING IT. IF SAME THING COULD BE WITH THE TENNIS COURT AND LIKE COSTS LIKE THAT I COULD SEE TAKING ON, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BASICALLY SETTING UP A WHOLE DEPARTMENT HERE UNDER WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED AND, AND THAT, UH, I THINK IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT WAS IN MY HEAD WHEN WE FIRST HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT WAYS WE COULD PARTNER. SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF FRAME THAT A LITTLE BIT. YEAH, I'M, I'M JUST WONDERING, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PROJECT ARE AND THE SA IN THE SAME SCOPE? BECAUSE THIS LOOKS LIKE WE'RE TAKING OVER ALL OF THE LANDSCAPING AND MAINTENANCE. NO, MA'AM. OF THE ENTIRE FACILITY. IF YOU LOOK, IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY WESTED SCHOOL IS, UH, THE LANDSCAPE AREA IS 10.3. IT'S 50% OF THE CURRENT PARK. AND THAT'S WHAT WE IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE AREA THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING OVER. UH, THIS IS THE BEST ESTIMATE THAT WE COULD FROM THE INFORMATION WE PRO WE WERE PROVIDED. IS THAT NOTHING ABOUT THE HIGH SCHOOL JUNIOR? YEAH. THEN IF YOU LOOK UNDER HIGH SCHOOL, IT'S, UH, LANDSCAPE AREA IS LIKE 41 ACRES AND THEN WE BROKE OUT THE WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE MOWING IN THAT AS WELL. SO IT, IT, WE JUST TRIED TO FOCUS ON WHAT THOSE PUBLIC AREAS WOULD BE AND THEN FOCUS ON THAT. AND THEN WE LOOKED ORIGINALLY ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD DO FOR SHORT TERM. WE'D BE HIRE LA LANDSCAPE VENDORS AND WE CAME DOWN TO THE BEST COST FOR THE SCHOOL IN THE CITY WOULD BE DOING A LOT OF THIS IN-HOUSE. BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 51 ACRES. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS HERE. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT RIGHT. THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE ENTIRE CAMPUS OR TWO CAMPUSES. ONE, ONE WAS THE LANDSCAPE AREA WAS 10 ACRES AND THE OTHER ONE THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT. 40, 41 ACRES. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. SPEAK TO IT. WHY DON'T YOU SPEAKING TO THE MIC, IT MUST BE A TRANSCRIPT. I I WAS JUST WONDERING IF, UM, SUPERINTENDENT SWEARING ENGINE COULD SPEAK TO THIS BECAUSE THE WHOLE CASE WAS INDICATED IN THE PHOTO. IT, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE, I I HOW IT COMPARES TO WHAT HIS, HIS THOUGHTS WERE WHEN HE SPOKE, SPOKE TO US. ALL RIGHT. SO WHEN, WHEN WE HAD OUR, UH, ORIGINAL MEETING, UH, THE PROPOSAL, UM, THAT, THAT I HAD HAD EXPRESSED START TWO SEPARATE, KIND OF TWO SEPARATE PIECES. THE FIRST PIECE TO REALLY TALK ABOUT, UM, OUR, THE ATHLETIC FIELDS. UM, SO WE HAVE TENNIS COURTS, WE HAVE, UM, A PRACTICE FIELD, WE HAVE A SOFTBALL FIELD, WE HAVE A, A BASEBALL [04:05:01] FIELD, AND WE HAVE OUR TRACK OKAY. OR FOOTBALL OR A SOCCER. AND THE IDEA IS THAT A COUPLE OF THINGS, UM, FOR IT TO BE A, WE WANT THIS TO BE A SHARED SPACE FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY WHEN IT IS NOT IN USE BY THE SCHOOL. OKAY. OR IF IT'S NOT RENTED OUT BY A THIRD PARTY OR AN EVENT. UM, WHERE THE SCHOOL STANDS RIGHT NOW IS WE DO NOT HAVE, UH, THE STAFFING OR WE DO NOT, AND WE DO NOT HAVE THE EXPERTISE OR THE EQUIPMENT TO MAINTAIN, UM, THE ATHLETIC FIELDS TO THE LEVEL THAT THE, WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AND DRIVE BY THE, THE, THE, THE ATHLETIC FIELDS THAT THE, THE, THE CITY HAS, THERE'S A LEVEL OF EXPERTISE, THERE'S A LEVEL OF, UM, UH, HUMAN, UH, RESOURCES THAT GO INTO THAT AND, AND, AND EQUIPMENT THAT GO INTO MAINTAINING THAT. ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE MOWING THOSE FIELDS, OKAY? AND THAT IS NOT NEARLY ENOUGH TO MAINTAIN AN, AN ATHLETIC FIELD TO THE QUALITY THAT WE WOULD WANT TO PRESENT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO, UM, OUR STUDENT ATHLETES. SO THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT WAS, UM, TO HAVE THE CITY IN SOME WAY HELP, UM, HELP US MAINTAIN THOSE PROPERTIES, UH, THOSE FIELDS. UM, AND THEN WHEN THEY ARE NOT IN USE, THE COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE, UH, WHEN THEY'RE NOT USE FROM FROM THE SCHOOL, UH, OR RENTED OUT, IT WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. I, I CAN'T TELL YOU, I, I WALK THE GROUNDS AT RED ROCK AT LEAST ONCE A A WEEK, AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK. AND, UM, WHEN PE WHEN OTHER INDIVIDUALS FROM THE COMMUNITY HAVE EITHER KIND OF STUMBLED UPON THE FIELD OR, UM, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRACTICING MAYBE IT'S SPRING BREAK AND THEY BROUGHT THEIR, THEIR SON OUT TO PRACTICE, SHOT PUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN, IN THE, IN THE CITY, OR EXCUSE ME, IN THE, IN THE FIELD. UM, NEARLY ALWAYS THERE'S A CONCERN OVER THE QUALITY OF, OF THE FIELD. IT'S JUST, UM, WE HAVE NOT HAD, UM, THE RESOURCES, UM, OR THE EXPERTISE BEING ABLE TO DEVOTE THAT TO, UH, TO MAINTAIN, TO ACTUALLY ELEVATE AND BRING, THERE'S TWO PARTS OF THIS. SO, UM, THE FIELDS IN MY OPINION, NEED TO BE, UM, RENOVATED TO A STARTING POINT AND THEN MAINTAINED. UM, WE HAVE MADE EFFORTS IN THE PAST TO RENOVATE MINIMALLY RENOVATE, BUT THEN IT FALLS BACK VERY, VERY, VERY QUICKLY IF IT'S NOT MAINTAINED ON A, ON A WEEKLY BASIS. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT STARTED. UM, THE LANDSCAPING PIECE, UM, ALTHOUGH IT COULD BE THE SAME, UM, MAINTENANCE CREW MAINTAINING BOTH AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SKILLSET TO DO SO IS BY OPENING UP THOSE GROUNDS, THEY WILL BE SHARED SPACES. SO IF FOR INSTANCE, UM, WE'RE OPENING UP TO THE, THE TENNIS COURTS, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF LANDSCAPING AROUND THE TENNIS COURTS THAT IS NOT, UM, DIRECTLY TIED TO, UM, THE TENNIS COURTS THEMSELVES. OUR SPAC, THAT IS THE MOST, UH, THE, THAT IS THE MOST SHARED SPACE THAT WE HAVE OF ALL OF OUR CA UH, CAMPUSES. IT IS SURROUNDED BY OUR OWN LANDSCAPING THAT, THAT WE MAINTAIN THROUGH A THIRD PARTY. SO WE PAY A THIRD PARTY TO MAINTAIN THOSE AT A VERY MINIMAL, UM, UH, AMOUNT OF, OF, OF WORK THAT GOES INTO THAT. SO, UM, IN MY PROPOSAL, UH, TO, UH, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, INCLUDED BOTH OF THOSE CONCEPTS. UM, BECAUSE IN MY VIEW, IF, IF WE ARE OPENING IT UP TO ALL OF THE PUBLIC TO BENEFIT, WE WOULD ALSO WANT TO PROVIDE, UM, IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT IS, IS PLEASING AND POSITIVE. UM, WHAT I WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE IS A COMMUNITY MEMBER, AND THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN, OF COURSE, A COMMUNITY MEMBER SAY, OH, WONDERFUL, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE, THE, THE CITY IS, IS WORKING TO ASSIST ON THE LANDSCAPINGS OF THESE, THESE SHARED SPACES, AND THEY COME IN AND, AND THAT SHARED SPACE IS NOT LANDSCAPE TO THEIR LIKING BECAUSE WE'RE STILL COVERING THE COST OF THAT, AND IT'S AT A VERY MINIMAL BASIS. UM, THEY WOULD WALK AWAY WITH A, A NEGATIVE FEELING ABOUT THAT AS OPPOSED TO A POSITIVE. SO, UM, I, I GUESS THAT'S MY, MY THOUGHTS ON THAT. MY, MY THOUGHT WAS NOT, I, OH, ALSO, I WANNA, I WANNA POINT OUT, UM, FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE ANYBODY, UM, ANYBODY HERE THAT IS WILLING TO, UM, TO DISCUSS AND MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, BUT THE TURNAROUND OF ON WAS EXTREMELY FAST. SO, UM, I BELIEVE WE HAD, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS MONDAY OR TUESDAY, WE HAD THIS MEETING, AND THEN WE WERE [04:10:01] ASKED, AND I'M, I'M NOT COMPLAINING, I'M JUST PUTTING CONTEXT IN HERE TO HAVE ESTIMATES BY THURSDAY. OKAY. SO THESE ARE, WHEN I PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION, THESE ARE NOT QUOTES, WE DID NOT HAVE ORGANIZATIONS COME IN. UM, OH, YOU'RE GONNA TEST MY EYESIGHT, HUH? OH, WELL THIS IS THE PROPOSAL YOU SENT IN YES. SO THAT THEY CAN SEE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. OKAY. SO, UM, THE NUMBERS THAT WE GOT FOR THE LANDSCAPING, WE HAVE A THIRD PARTY, UM, THAT, THAT DOES SOME OF OUR LANDSCAPING, NOT ALL. AND I ASKED THEM TO PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL. THEY WERE ACTUALLY, UM, THE, ONE OF THE OWNERS WAS OUT OF TOWN, BUT KNOWING THE GROUNDS GAVE THE BEST ESTIMATE THEY COULD FOR, UM, MAINTAINING THOSE PROPERTIES FOR, UH, RENOVATING THE ATHLETIC FIELDS AND MAIN, UM, AND, UH, MAINTAINING THE ATHLETIC FIELDS AS WELL AS, UM, UH, THE, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH RENOVATION WOULD NEED TO BE DONE. I, I SUPPOSE A, A AN AMOUNT, UM, FOR OUR GENERAL LANDSCAPING, ALTHOUGH WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THAT LANDSCAPING A LITTLE BIT MORE READILY THAN THE ATHLETIC FIELDS. UM, AND THEY GAVE ME A, A BALLPARK ESTIMATE OF WHAT THAT IS SO THAT, UM, IT COULD BE, I, I GUESS I, I GUESS MY WORD IS, UM, WE DID THE BEST THAT WE COULD TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION. DO, TOM, DO YOU HAVE ANY FEEL FOR HOW, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF TIME THE FIELDS ARE USED BY THE SCHOOL AND OR RENTED OUT? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON THE SEASON, RIGHT? UM, BUT, UM, IT'S, SO DURING THE DAY, UM, OUR, THE, THE MOST HEAVILY USED IS OUR TRACK AND OUR, OUR FOOTBALL FIELD. SO THE PE USES THAT FACILITY. UM, BUT DURING THE DAY, REALLY, THE OTHER FIELDS, AT LEAST AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AREN'T, AREN'T, ARE UTILIZED ALL THAT MUCH. IT'S USUALLY AFTER SCHOOLS FOR PRACTICE TIME. SO, UM, FOR INSTANCE, SO IN THE WINTER, THEY'RE REALLY NOT UTILIZED AT ALL. UM, IT'S MOSTLY IN THE FALL AND, AND IN THE SPRING. THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE HEAVY USES. UM, IN, IN THE FALL WE HAVE, WE HAVE FOOTBALL, UH, ALTHOUGH, WELL, NO, I TAKE THAT BACK IN THE FALL. WE HAVE FOOTBALL. UM, SOCCER IS IN, IN THE WINTER, BUT SOCCER WILL BE ON, UM, UH, IN THE, IN THE FOOTBALL STADIUM AREA IN THE SPRINGTIME, SOFTBALL, HOPEFULLY BASEBALL, AND WE HAVE TRACK AND FIELD AS WELL. OKAY. THANKS BRIAN. QUESTION FOR JOSH. UH, NOW THAT WE'VE GOT PICKLEBALL COURTS, OUR TENNIS COURTS HAVE BEEN, UH, REDEDICATED TO THE USE OF TENNIS. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE UTILIZATION IS ON THOSE COUPLE OF, WELL, HOW MANY COURTS IS IT? SO WE HAVE TWO COURTS AT POSSE GROUNDS AND TWO COURTS AT SUNSET. YEAH. SO ANY IDEA WHAT THE UTILIZATION IS? THEY ARE PRETTY HEAVILY USED. AND THE POSSE GROUNDS ONE FOR TENNIS DEFINITELY REDUCED. WHEN THE PICKLEBALL LINES WERE THERE, THE TENNIS PLAYERS HATED THE PICKLEBALL LINES, RIGHTFULLY SO. BUT WE DID RESURFACE THOSE AND STRIFE 'EM TO BE JUST TENNIS ONLY. AND THEY'VE BEEN REGULARLY USED AS WELL AS OUR, WE DO THE TENNIS LESSON PROGRAM THERE THAT HAS KIDS THERE EVERY MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, KIDS AND ADULTS TAKING TENNIS LESSONS IN THAT LOCATION. UM, SO IT, THE ADDITIONAL COURTS AT THE HIGH SCHOOL WOULD DEFINITELY BE UTILIZED AND USED, UM, MM-HMM . BUT WE ARE ALSO, I THINK WE'RE PROVIDING A SUFFICIENT USE WITH THE FOUR THAT WE HAVE NOW IN THE USES THAT THEY'RE GETTING TO. SO IF, IF THIS PACKAGE MOVED FORWARD AND THE HIGH SCHOOL TENNIS COURTS BECAME AVAILABLE, IS THAT, I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT ASKING US OUTSIDE OF THIS PROCESS FOR MORE TENNIS CAPACITY. SO DOES THAT REALLY MOVE THE NEEDLE FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT NOW THERE'S SIX MORE TENNIS COURTS AVAILABLE? IT WOULD BE A POSITIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY. THERE WOULD BE PEOPLE THAT WOULD ENJOY THAT. UM, THERE ARE TIMES WHERE PEOPLE GO TO SUNSET PARK OR POSSE GROUNDS, AND WE HAVE SIGNS UP FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE PLAYING, PLEASE LIMIT YOUR PLAY TO ONE HOUR WHEN PEOPLE ARE WAITING. AND THAT DOES HAPPEN. THERE'S BEEN A FEW COMPLAINTS HERE AND THERE ON PEOPLE NOT ROTATING OFF OR THINGS, BUT TYPICALLY THE FOUR COURTS HAS BEEN FAIRLY SUFFICIENT, HOWEVER, IT WOULD GET UTILIZED AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AS WELL. OKAY. AND TOM, IS THERE ACCESS TO THOSE COURTS NOW? I MEAN, I WAS LOOKING AT THE MAP AND LIKE THOSE ARE WELL TUCKED AWAY AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. SO CAN YOU, CAN A, CAN THE PUBLIC EVEN ACCESS THOSE RIGHT NOW? SO, YES, A COUPLE OF THINGS. UH, WE DO HAVE PRETTY HEAVY USE OF THE, OF THOSE, UM, THOSE TENNIS COURTS. AND, UM, SO YES, THEY, THEY DO HAVE ACCESS AT TIMES. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE'VE SHUT IT DOWN, AS LONG AS THERE IS COMMUNICATION, UM, WITH US, WE OPEN UP THOSE GATES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS. IT IS, UH, IT'S A GREAT COMMUNITY. [04:15:01] UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT, AND THIS IS KIND OF EMBARRASSING SOMETIMES, BUT THEY'LL COME IN WITH WEED WHACKERS AND TRY TO MAINTAIN IT ON THEIR OWN. UM, WE DO WHAT WE CAN. WE HAD A, UM, A VOLUNTEER WEEKEND, UM, NOT TOO LONG AGO WHERE WE HAD EMPLOYEES FROM THE SCHOOL. I WAS THERE, UM, ALL KIND OF JOINING IN TO, UM, JUST VOLUNTARILY, UM, TRYING TO LANDSCAPE THE PROPERTY TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. UM, BUT THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN. UM, BUT SO, SO I, SO I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, THAT THE FACILITIES ARE PROBABLY UTILIZED MORE THAN YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE, BECAUSE WHY WOULD YOU BE AWARE THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING IN? SO, UM, TOM, WHAT'S THE CONDITION OF THE COURTS THEMSELVES? IS, IS THE SURFACE STILL INTACT OR HAS IT STARTED TO CRACK APART AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE PULLING WEEDS OR, SO THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S CRACKS THERE. UM, UH, I'M, I'M NOT A TENNIS PLAYER. UM, ONE OF THESE DAYS I'M GONNA STUMBLE UPON SOMETHING I KNOW ABOUT HERE, JUST, JUST WAIT. BUT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, IT COULD USE SOME RESURFACING. UM, BUT THE, THE GREATEST CONCERN THAT I HAVE, AND YOU'RE NOT ASKING ME THIS QUESTION, BUT I'LL, I'LL OFFER THIS, THAT THE GREATEST CONCERN THAT I HAVE AS FAR AS, UM, ATHLETIC, UH, FIELD MAINTENANCE, USE SOFTBALL, UH, BASEBALL, THE, UM, THE FOOTBALL FIELD, UM, AND THE SURROUNDING AREA IN OUR PRACTICE, UH, FIELD, BUT YES, ABSOLUTELY. THE, AND, AND IT'S PRO, ONE OF THE REASONS IS WHY WE, THERE'S A, A COMMITTED, VERY SMALL GROUP. THAT'S USUALLY HOW IT WORKS. YOU MIGHT HAVE A, A BIG NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE UTILIZING THAT FACILITY AND IT FALLS ON ONE OR TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING ALL THE WORK, RIGHT? AND SO MY CONCERN IS, LET'S SAY THOSE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE, UH, DECIDE THEY'RE MOVING OR THEY AREN'T THERE ANYMORE, THO THOSE FACILITIES ARE GONNA, UM, UM, MOVE IN A NEGATIVE DIRECTION VERY, VERY QUICKLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, I THINK I SHARE COUNSELOR ELLA'S CONCERNS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. LIKE, THIS REPRESENTS ADDING A NEW DEPARTMENT, AND IT'S AT A COST LEVEL THAT, NOT THAT I HAD ANY SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, DOLLAR FIGURE IN MIND WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT, UH, SUPPORT THE SCHOOLS. BUT THIS IS A BREATHTAKINGLY HIGH NUMBER, UM, ESPECIALLY STARTING FROM SCRATCH RIGHT NOW. UH, LIKE, AGAIN, COUNSELOR KINSELLA, SOMETHING LIKE RESURFACING THE TENNIS COURTS THAT HAS A PUBLIC USE COMPONENT. LIKE I GET THAT, RIGHT, THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT, UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT SUPPORTING THE, THE MAINTENANCE OF FIELDS FEELS LIKE WHERE WE SHOULD PRIORITIZE, UM, WORKING WITH THE SCHOOLS. UM, AND I MEAN, WE JUST HAD THAT FIRST MEETING WITH SCHOOL DISTRICT JUST, YOU KNOW, LAST MONTH OR MONTH BEFORE, HOUR LONG. IT'S NOT BEEN VERY LONG. UM, AND I HOPE THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE MEETINGS AND I HOPE WE CONTINUE TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, OTHER PRACTICAL WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN HELP AND COLLABORATE. I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT THIS ONE IS ONE THAT I WANNA GET BEHIND RIGHT NOW. PETE, DID YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS? YEAH, THANK, THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, SO THE FIRST QUESTION I HAD WAS, DID THIS CONVERSATION GET EXTENDED IN THE CHARTER SCHOOL AS WELL? DID THEY OPT OUT OF NEEDING ANY HELP IN THE MAINTENANCE AREA? I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION FOR, DID THAT COME UP WITH COUNSELOR DUNN AND COUNSELOR JOSE'S? WELL, AMY'S THERE. OH, SORRY. WE, WE DID NOT BRING THAT UP. WE HAVE A SMALL CAMPUS. WE DO NOT HAVE SPORTS FIELDS, AND I HAVE A FABULOUS, FABULOUS MAINTENANCE PERSON. AND, UM, LANDSCAPING IS HIS, IS REALLY HIS LOVE. AND HE TAKES CARE OF OUR PROPERTIES. SO WE ARE, WE ARE GOOD THERE, BUT, BUT THANK YOU FOR ASKING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ANDY, THANKS FOR ANSWERING THAT. UM, THE REST OF MY KIND OF QUESTIONS, COMMENTS GO THE SAME KIND OF DIRECTION THAT COUNSELOR KINSEL AND BY S SENATOR FOLTZ WERE JUST ECHOING HERE AND RECOGNIZING THAT THIS WAS THE LAST MINUTE RUSH JOB TO GET NUMBERS AND, AND STUFF TOGETHER. UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE LOTS OF MY OWN QUESTIONS. I THINK I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF A CONVERSATION THAT CONTINUES ABOUT OPENING FACILITIES TO THE PUBLIC, AND THEN PERHAPS A SHARED COST IF THEY REALLY ARE PARTS OF REC RESOURCES THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS. UM, BUT THIS, YOU KNOW, I MUST ADMIT, I LOOK AT THE SUPERINTENDENT, WHAT I BELIEVE ON MY SCREEN IS THE SUPERINTENDENT'S NUMBERS. EVEN IF YOU ADD ALL THOSE UP, THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BALL MARK THAN, YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSAL NUMBER THAT GOES TO CLOSE TO $2 MILLION. SO, AND PERHAPS I'M LOOKING AT IT WRONG, BUT [04:20:01] I I, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE HERE AND, AND I THINK FOR ME, WHEN WE START TO TALK ABOUT, UH, ELIMINATING COSTS FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS DOES OR NOT, BUT IF IT DOES, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE AN ABILITY TO THEN USE THAT MONEY FREED UP ON OTHER THINGS. AND DO WE HAVE A, A VOICE IN THAT, RIGHT? WE WANT MONEY PERHAPS TO GO TO THE CLASSROOMS AND NOT OTHER THINGS. AND THAT'S A BIG FRAUGHT CONVERSATION THAT COULD BE QUITE DIFFICULT. UM, AND THEN WHEN I THINK ALSO ABOUT THIS KIND OF THING, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL I SAW WAS FOR US TO HAVE STAFF AND, YOU KNOW, WE DO OUR OWN MAINTENANCE, WE DO SOME, WE HIRE SOME OUT, AND IT'S TO OUR STANDARDS, THIS WOULD REALLY BE TO A SCHOOL DISTRICT STANDARD. AND THEN I FORESEE CONFLICTS AND HOW WE TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR SOMETHING FOR WHAT STANDARD, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW MUCH MORE ABOUT CONTRACTING IT OUT. SO IT JUST SEEMS THAT THIS PROPOSAL ISN'T READY FOR FULL TIME FOR, UH, PRIME TIME AS YET. YEAH. AND I, I THINK ALSO PETE, UH, AND KATHY AND BRIAN, I THINK THE SECURITY PIECE OF THIS HAS TO COME FIRST, AND THAT'S UNDEFINED AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE. AND ONCE THE SECURITY WOULD BE IN PLACE, WOULD BE, I WOULD BE MORE OPEN TO TALKING ABOUT OPENING THIS UP TO THE COMMUNITY. BUT RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT MAY THAT THE CAMPUS IS SECURE ENOUGH, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED, I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT FIRST, MELISSA. SO FIRST OF ALL, I THINK EVERYONE NEEDS TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THE ONGOING COST IS $1.6 MILLION FOR THIS. I DON'T THINK WE, WE NEED ALL OF THE PIECES THAT ARE LAID OUT. THAT'S THE OTHER THING. I THINK ON THE ONE PAGE IT LOOKS LIKE IT, IT EMULATES WHERE THE FIELDS ARE. UM, AND THAT I THINK THAT TO IS CONTINUALLY REFERENCING. UM, BUT MY QUESTION TO JOSH IS DO WE NEED ANOTHER SPORTS FIELD? BECAUSE I KNOW WE TOOK ONE OF 'EM, WHICH WE THOUGHT WASN'T ALL THAT MUCH USED AND TURN INTO PICKLEBALL COURTS. SO DO WE NEED ONE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE START TO TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE EXTENDED PROGRAMS FOR, YOU KNOW, KIDS OR MAYBE ADULTS? YEAH, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD USE. EXCUSE ME. IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD USE AND UTILIZE IN SOME OF OUR YOUTH PROGRAMS, ESPECIALLY IF WE TAKE ON THIS, THE AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM. YOU KNOW, HAVING A SOCCER CAMP ON THE ARTIFICIAL TURF FIELD WOULD BE AMAZING IN THERE. OR SOME OF THOSE, THE FLAG FOOTBALL AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, INSTEAD OF PAYING THE SCHOOL, LIKE THOSE RENTAL COSTS THAT, FOR THOSE FACILITIES, WHICH ARE PRETTY HIGH, THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO USE THOSE ON OUR OWN WOULD BE GREAT. OUR PRIMARY THING TO BE ABLE TO USE HAS BEEN THE BASKETBALL GYMS. THEY HAVE TWO BASKETBALL GYMS THERE AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, AND WE USE THEIR BASKETBALL GYM AT WEST SEDONA SCHOOL VERY REGULARLY. BUT WE HAVE BEEN VERY LIMITED ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO AT THE HIGH SCHOOL FOR THOSE BASKETBALL GYMS DUE TO THEIR OWN PROGRAMS AND SPORTS THAT THEY HAVE THERE. SO THE ABILITY TO HOST THE OPEN GYM AND YOUTH BASKETBALL LEAGUE AND SPREAD SOME OF THOSE TO THE HIGH SCHOOL WOULD GREATLY HELP US. WHICH DOESN'T REALLY RELATE TO THE TURF MANAGEMENT OR THE FIELD, UM, QUESTIONS THERE. BUT ON THE FIELD SIDE, YES, WE WOULD UTILIZE, UTILIZE IT A LITTLE BIT AS AVAILABLE. UH, BUT THE BASKETBALL GYM OR BEING ABLE TO TRADE OFF THAT IN ANY SENSE WOULD BE THE MOST BENEFICIAL FOR US. OKAY. SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. COMPLETELY . YES. THEN, THEN THIS CONVERSATION. SO I AGREE. I THINK WE RUSHED WITH THE FIELDS AND I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO SPEND MORE TIME THINKING, THINKING ABOUT THEM. BUT I ALSO AGREE ON THE TENNIS COURTS. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT, THAT I'VE BEEN, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PARK BACK THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO DOWN AND YOU, YOU DO THE TRAIL, THERE'S A TRAIL HEAD THAT'S RIGHT IN THE BACK OF THE SCHOOL. AND, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO GO AND PARK THERE WHO ARE USING THE TRAILS. AND I'VE SEEN PEOPLE OUT ON THE TENNIS COURTS, I'VE SEEN KIDS OUT ON THE TENNIS COURTS, UM, ON WEEKENDS, UH, OR IN THE SUMMER, WHICH IS INSANE. UM, AND YEAH, I COULD SEE THAT ALL THAT WOULD FOR SURE BE USEFUL FOR WHEN THEY'RE NOT IN USE WITH THE SCHOOL THAT THEY, THAT THEY ARE, UM, AVAILABLE TO, TO MORE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE OFTEN DON'T THINK ABOUT ALL THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE OVER ON THAT SIDE. AND THAT IS A LOT MORE CONVENIENT TENNIS COURTS THAN GOING TO POSSE OR GOING TO SUNSET. RIGHT? SO, UM, I I [04:25:01] WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING THE CONVERSATIONS GENERALLY, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE TENNIS COURTS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER, UM, AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS STILL INTERESTED, UM, IN PURSUING THAT WHEN WE HAVEN'T DECIDED ON ANY OF THE FIELDS AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU JOSH. CHARLOTTE. I AGREE. IT'S A STAGGERING NUMBER. , IT IS A STAGGERING NUMBER. I DO THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD, I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON THIS ANYWAY, NEXT WEEK IN THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE SORTS OF FACILITIES AND AMENITIES AND HOW MUCH OF INTEREST THEY MIGHT BE TO PEOPLE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WESTERN GATEWAY AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT DO PEOPLE WANT? THEY WANT, UM, THINGS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY. WELL, THERE MIGHT BE SOME HERE THAT MAYBE THEY'RE IN ROUGH SHAPE, BUT THEY'RE HERE ALREADY. UM, AND SO IT COULD SERVE A DUAL PURPOSE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT SHEPHERDING OUR, OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT. WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT JORDAN PARK AND, AND EXTENDING AND MAYBE COOK CEMETERY OF WHAT IT IS WE OVERSEE AND, AND WANT TO MAINTAIN AND HAVE, BE A, A, A GOOD REFLECTION OF THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS THE SAME THING, A BIGGER SCALE FOR SURE. AND, AND I WOULD HOPE THERE'D BE SOME KIND OF STAGED APPROACH, BUT I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. I WOULD APPRECIATE, UM, CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION. UM, I I, I WILL ALSO SAY, AND I SAY THIS RESPECTFULLY TO EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM, THAT WHEN THIS CONVERSATION STARTED, UM, AND I HOPE THIS STILL CONTINUES, IS BRINGING FAMILIES BACK TO SEDONA, RIGHT? AND WE CAN HAVE ALL THE HOUSING THAT WE WANT, ACCESSIBLE HOUSING THAT WE WANT. WE CAN HAVE, UM, ALL OF THE, UM, AMENITIES THAT YOU WANT. BUT UNTIL OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE VIEWED AS A PREMIER SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE WILL STRUGGLE. NOW, MUCH OF THIS IS ON, I I I'M THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE SCHOOL HERE, RIGHT? BUT UNTIL THAT CONVERSATION IS LED WITH ONE OF THE BEST SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE STATE, OR A QUALITY PUBLIC, YOU WANNA MOVE HERE BECAUSE OF A QUALITY PUBLIC SCHOOL, WE WILL NEVER GET THERE. WE WILL ALWAYS FALL SHORT. AND YES, MUCH OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT HAPPENS IN THE CLASSROOMS, BUT IT GOES WELL BEYOND THAT. A COMPREHENSIVE EDUCATION MEANS THAT THE COMMUNITY COMES IN FOR A HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL GAME AND SEES OUR KIDS GIVING THEIR ALL, AND THEY LOOK OVER THEIR SHOULDER AND THEY SEE THAT BASEBALL FIELD AND THEY SEE THAT SOFTBALL FIELD SHINING. IT DOESN'T NEED TO LOOK LIKE MAJOR LEAGUE READY, BUT THE STIGMA THAT IS ATTACHED TO THOSE FIELDS, NOT LOOKING AS THEY COULD LOOK, IS SOMETHING THAT STICKS. IT STICKS WITH PEOPLE. I'LL SHARE WITH YOU A, A A A QUICK STORY. WE HAD OUR FIRST FOOTBALL GAME. IT WAS A SCRIMMAGE, SO PROUD. THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WENT INTO GETTING A FOOTBALL TEAM BACK HERE WAS SUBSTANTIAL. AND IT'S STILL A FIGHT. WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF WEATHER COME IN, SO WE HAD TO PAUSE THE GAME. EVERYBODY WALKED UP. AND I'M MEETING AND, AND TALKING WITH PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE, UM, TO THE, UH, THE CONCESSION STAND. AND I, I WANNA, I WANNA PREFACE THIS WITH, WITH THE AVAILABLE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION. WE GIVE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN FOR THOSE FIELDS. WE HAVE A, A JANITOR, A CUSTODIAN WITH NO KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO MAINTAIN A FIELD AT ALL BESIDES MOWING. AND SO IT, IT, THERE ARE GOPHERS. THERE ARE, I MEAN, IT IS, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF NA YOU KNOW, SURROUNDED BY NATIONAL FORCE. AND I DON'T WANNA SOUND UN UNAPPRECIATIVE HERE. PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS. I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND FROM MY PERSPE PERSPECTIVE, THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS. UM, IN THAT GO, GETTING BACK TO THE, THE, THE, THE MOMENT IN THE FOOTBALL FIELD, THERE WAS A POTENTIAL FOR ALL OF [04:30:01] THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO WALK BACK INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAY, HOW COOL WAS THIS? WE HAD A GREAT SHOWING OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS. UM, FOOTBALL IS BACK. I LOVE LIVING IN SEDONA. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PHONE CALLS THAT I RECEIVED AFTERWARDS, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT BASEBALL FIELD? IT DOESN'T LOOK NEARLY READY TO PLAY. AND I HAD TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. AND SO WHAT DID I DO? I PULLED TOGETHER MY STAFF WHO, WHO WORKS THEIR, WORKS, THEIR BUTTS OFF AND, AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO. AND THEN I'VE GOTTA TELL 'EM IT'S NOT ENOUGH. NOW, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS IS ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN, ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN. I, I, I, YOU KNOW, RESPECT THAT, I, I WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. UM, BUT I JUST WANT TO, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT A BALL FIELD, IT IS ABOUT THE PRIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE PRIDE OF OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS. AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, WE CAN DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN UP HERE, BUT UNTIL, UM, WE BECOME IN EVERY WAY, SHAPE AND FORM A PREMIER SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE ARE GONNA FALL SHORT. WE WILL, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET IT. IT WILL BE, IT WILL BE SPEAK. IT WILL BE SPEAK AND NOTHING MORE. SO I JUST, I, I JUST, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I SHARE THAT AND I SHARE THAT RESPECTFULLY. THANK YOU DEREK. UM, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, AN ANECDOTE I WANNA SHARE. UM, WE WERE, MY DO, MY WIFE AND I WERE WORKING AT A TRACK MEET I THINK LAST YEAR. AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH FIELD IT IS. IS IT THE, WHERE'S THE FIELD THEY DO JAVELIN ON? IS THAT THE, THAT'S THE PRACTICE FIELD. THAT'S THE PRACTICE FIELD. OKAY. SO THERE WERE A COUPLE MEN STANDING NEXT TO THE PRACTICE FIELD AND I HEARD ONE OF 'EM SAY TO THE OTHER, AS MUCH MONEY AS THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS, THEY SHOULD TAKE BETTER CARE OF THAT FIELD. THAT'S A DISGRACE. AND I LOOKED AT THEM AND I JUST LAUGHED. I MEAN, I'M LUCKY I DIDN'T GET MY ASS KICKED 'CAUSE I WAS JUST LIKE, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THEY'RE LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO THIS STUFF. AND THEY WERE, THEY, AND IT, IT LOOKED, IT WAS POCKMARKED, IT HAD GOPHER HOLES. IT HAD IT LOOKED LIKE S**T. BUT IT'S 'CAUSE THERE'S NO MONEY TO DO IT. SO, AND I GET WE'RE NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THIS. AND A QUESTION FOR STEVE, THIS SPREADSHEET, THIS IS A TOTAL TAKEOVER OF GROUNDSKEEPING, RIGHT? THIS $2 MILLION? YEAH. CORRECT. SO KURT, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY KURT. YEAH. LEGAL HARRIS NON-LEGAL CURT, NO, , I'D SAY IT'S, BUT IT'S NOT EVEN O'CLOCK YET FOR FERENCE KURT HARRIS SPEAKING. YES. UM, SO THAT 41 ACRES, THAT INCLUDES THE SOLAR PANEL, THAT'S THE WHOLE PROPERTY ON THAT. SO WHEN WE CAME TO THIS, WE'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MEET WHAT THE SCHOOL'S EXPECTATIONS ARE THAT, SO WE INCORPORATED THAT SAYING, 'CAUSE FIREWISE, ALL THOSE OTHER ASPECTS, WE FELT WE'D BE A DISSERVICE TO YOU IF WE TRIED TO CUT CORNERS ON THIS. SO AGAIN, IT'S A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE THAT WE COULD GET TOGETHER WITHIN A WEEK AND A HALF. WE WERE PULLING NUMBERS THIS MORNING. IN FACT, SOME OF THE VEHICLES WE'RE LOOKING AT IF WE'RE BUYING NEW VEHICLES, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE WE'D GET THAT FROM WASTEWATER SO ON. THEY'RE LOOKING AT AGING OUT OTHER VEHICLES. SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT, BUT THIS IS WHAT THESE COSTS WOULD THIS, BUT THIS IS EVERYTHING. YES. SO, I MEAN, WE CAN DO A LOT FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR FAR LESS THAN THIS. AND I MEAN MAYBE IT'S THE FOOTBALL FIELD AND THE TRACK, WHICH I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ONE OF THOSE IN OUR PARK SYSTEM, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE THE TENNIS COURTS. UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THERE'S SUPPORT FOR THAT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE TENNIS COURTS ARE ALREADY DEFACTO PUBLIC, SO, YOU KNOW, AND I SUSPECT THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THAT PART OF TOWN WOULD LIKE TO NOT HAVE TO DRIVE OVER TO POSSE GROUNDS OR TO SUNSET FOR TENNIS COURT. SO, UM, THIS OBVIOUSLY ISN'T GOING THE DIRECTION I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GO, BUT I JUST, I WANT US TO REALIZE THAT THIS IS NOT, WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THIS MUCH TO MAKE AN IMPACT. AND, AND MAYBE THAT'S, MAYBE THAT'S THE TAKEAWAY. MM-HMM . COME BACK TO US WITH SOMETHING MORE PALATABLE. BUT LIKE THE, UH, TENNIS COURTS, WE JUST DID THOSE AT POSSE GROUND SUNSET. SO THOSE WERE COSTS THAT WE DID. WE WENT OUT AND ESTIMATED WE F WE LOOKED AT THE SAVINGS. WERE SO MUCH MORE OF US DOING IT IN-HOUSE. WE WOULD DO THOSE IN-HOUSE. SO WE DID TRY TO GET THE BEST NUMBERS AT THE TIME THAT WE'VE HAD TO DO THIS. SO. WELL, IF WE GAVE YOU SOME MORE TIME YES. WE, WE COULD, WE COULD COME BACK AND TRY TO TIGHTEN THAT UP. WE HAVE FAILED TO MEET YET WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO REALLY GET TO KNOW THEIR STAFF, THEIR, UM, VENDORS, THEIR LANDSCAPERS TO REALLY GET, UH, A HANDLE ON THESE NUMBERS. I THINK WHAT WOULD BE INTEREST GOOD FOR US TO KNOW, BECAUSE IT WAS FAIRLY GENERIC AT THE END OF THE JOINT MEETING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT WHAT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN. AND NOW THAT YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO SEE MORE DETAIL AND EXAMPLES. BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE WE WOULD WANNA KNOW IF THE CITY [04:35:01] STAFF AND THE DISTRICT COULD FIGURE OUT A PACKAGE THAT'S JUST RELATED TO THE TRACK AND THIS AND THAT AND THE, UM, TENNIS COURTS AND NOT THIS WHOLESALE TAKEOVER OF ALL LANDSCAPING RESPONSIBILITIES. WE COULD GO AND, UH, WORK ON A VERY REFINED, UM, PICTURE. BUT I DID ASK THE STAFF WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IF WE WERE TO TAKE ON THE LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? AH, SO THIS IS IN YOUR HANDS, . YEAH. WELL, BASED ON THE, MY AGGRAVATION LEVEL , WELL, TO BE FAIR, BASED ON A VERY BASIC DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL, HEY DEREK, THEN MELISSA, THE OTHER THING I WANNA POINT OUT ABOUT THIS IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE FIELDS AS, OKAY, WHAT'S THE CITY GONNA GET IN RETURN? BECAUSE WE HAVE CONS, LEGAL CONSTRAINTS ON WHAT WE CAN SPEND MONEY ON, RIGHT? BUT I MEAN, THE POINT OF THIS EXERCISE FOR ME IS LESS ABOUT WHAT THE CITY'S GONNA GET IN RETURN AND WHAT WE CAN LEGALLY DO TO IMPROVE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. IF WE COULD JUST BOLSTER ALL THEIR SALARIES AND MAKE IT EASIER TO HIRE PEOPLE, I'D BE ALL FOR THAT. BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT. SO, I MEAN, WE ARE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO STRENGTHEN THE DISTRICT AND MAKE THE DISTRICT BETTER. SO I DON'T WANT THIS, I KNOW LEGALLY IT NEEDS TO BE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GETTING IN RETURN, BUT I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE THE ENTIRE FOCUS. 'CAUSE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FUNDING IN THE STATE IS GARBAGE. DOES KURT HAVE A ANY INPUT ON THAT POINT? SO AT, AT YOU? YEAH. THE FOCUS DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ON, UH, YOU KNOW, A DIRECT COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS AND MAKES THE CITY DOESN'T GET A DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR A RETURN FOR ANYTHING IT SPENDS ON THIS, UH, THROUGH THE IGA LIKE WE DO WITH THE POOL. UH, WE'RE ABLE TO COOPERATE ON RECREATIONAL FACILITIES. RIGHT. AND, AND SHARE THOSE. AND SHARE THE USE. BUT MY POINT IS, IS THAT'S WHERE WE ARE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO SPEND MONEY. WHEN FOR ME, THIS EXERCISE IS MORE ABOUT JUST IMPROVING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT STANDING AND POSITION AND QUALITY OVERALL. BUT THERE ARE ONLY CERTAIN PLACES THAT WE CAN SPEND THE MONEY. SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. TO YOUR POINT, BEFORE MELISSA STARTS WITH SOMETHING ELSE, IF I COULD JUST TAG ONTO THAT THOUGH. BUT, BUT HOW DO YOU, HOW, IF THE PURPOSE IS BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO FREE UP MONEY, BUT HOW DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF, OF OVERSIGHT OF THEN HOW THAT MONEY THEN THAT'S, THAT'S BEING SAVED. 'CAUSE WE'VE TAKEN THIS OVER FOR A PUBLIC GOOD IS BEING REDEPLOYED INTO SOMETHING LIKE TEACHER SALARIES THAT WOULD HELP WELL, UH, RAISE THE SCHOOL SO THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ARE ATTRACTED TO THIS AREA. THERE ARE DIFFERENT BUDGETS. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE MONEY THAT THEY SAVE ON THIS IS GONNA GO STRAIGHT INTO TEACHER SALARIES. RIGHT. THAT'S MY POINT. WE DON'T, BUT IT'S GONNA, BUT IT'S GONNA FREE UP MONEY FOR OTHER THINGS FOR OTHER, AND I, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF STACY WANTS TO WEIGH IN ON CAN I, I CAN I CAN WEIGH IN ON THIS IF YOU WANT TO. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE CAN ABS YOU KNOW WHAT, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY PROVIDE THE LANDSCAPING TO MAKE THAT SOFTBALL FIELD SHINE, TO MAKE THAT BASEBALL FIELD SHINE, TO MAKE THAT TRACK SHINE. YOU COULD WALK ONTO OUR CAMPUS AND IT LOOKED LIKE A GARDEN. WE CAN DO THAT, BUT IT WILL BE AT THE EXPENSE OF THE DISTRICT AND THE STUDENTS THAT WE SERVE. WE HAVE THIS, HERE'S OUR AP OFFERINGS IN IN OUR, WE ARE PROVIDING THINGS THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO PROVIDE. WE ARE NOW OFFERING ADVANCED PLACEMENT. AP, AP SPANISH, AP ART, PP PRE-CALCULUS, AP LITERATURE, AP LANG AP SEMINAR, AP RESEARCH, AP BIOLOGY, AP GEOGRAPHY, AP WORLD HISTORY, AP US HISTORY. THOSE ARE NOT FULL CLASSES. THOSE ARE CLASSES SOMETIMES WITH, UH, UH, 5, 6, 8 STUDENTS. WE ARE OFFERING THOSE PROGRAMS BECAUSE WE FEEL IT IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO OFFER THOSE IF WE ARE TO BE THAT PREMIER SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH IS ESSENTIAL FOR BRINGING PROFESSIONALS BACK TO SEDONA. SO IF WE, IF WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, LET'S MAINTAIN THESE FIELDS AND, AND DO ALL OF THAT, THAT MEANS THAT THOSE, UH, CLASSES ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE. YOUR SON IS NOT GETTING INTO THE NAVAL ACADEMY, WHICH HE HAS. OKAY. AND HE HAS BY HIS OWN WORK WEST POINT, I'M SORRY, YES. WEST POINT BY HIS OWN HARD WORK, BUT ALSO BY THE, THE, THE COURSE OFFERINGS AND THE ATHLETIC OFFERINGS AND ALL OF THOSE PIECES THAT, THAT THE SCHOOL HAS PROVIDED. UM, THERE, THERE, AND THAT'S JUST ONE, THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE. WE ARE [04:40:01] NOT RUNNING EFFICIENTLY. WE ARE RUNNING EFFECTIVELY, BUT WE ARE NOT RUNNING EFFICIENTLY. SO IT'S ALL A MATTER OF CHOICES. AND I I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA DIP INTO THE, UM, THE QUESTION OF, OF SAY INTO WHAT IS OFFERED AND, AND WHAT IS NOT. BUT, BUT JUST KNOW THAT, UM, THOSE ARE CHOICES THAT ARE MADE. WE, WE ARE EDUCATORS, OKAY? AND, AND AT THE CENTER OF BEING EDUCATORS ARE THE, ARE THE STUDENTS STUDENT OUTCOMES AND STUDENT EXPERIENCES SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN WITH THE HELP OF THE, OF THE FOUNDATION, WHICH DOES HELP, BUT THERE ARE STILL FAR GREATER NEEDS EVEN WITH THAT FOUNDATION. WE SPEND SO MUCH TIME WORKING ON THE PERIPHERY EVERY TIME THAT WE SPEND AN HOUR WORKING ON THE PERIPHERY THAT'S AN HOUR AWAY FROM, OR A DOLLAR AWAY FROM OUR STUDENTS. SO, UM, I I I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT WE'RE BEING GREEDY. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. WE ARE TRYING TO BE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN BE TO REACH OUR GOAL OF BEING THAT PREMIER SCHOOL DISTRICT. NOT JUST FOR THE, UH, THE STUDENTS THAT ARE HERE, BUT THE HEALTH OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. WE GO BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL GOAL OF BRINGING FAMILIES BACK. I'LL SAY IT AGAIN WITHOUT PUBLIC SCHOOLS, IT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. SO, BUT I, I DO APPRECIATE CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION. I DO APPRECIATE EVERY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE BEST PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE HAD SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. AND I WANT TO CONTINUE. I JUST WANT, I JUST FELT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT. THANK YOU TOM. MELISSA. THANK YOU. I I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT MAYBE WE DO NEED TO GIVE CURT AND PUBLIC WORKS A LITTLE MORE TIME TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE FIELDS TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD BE. AND I REALIZE IT'S NOT A LOT OF ADVANTAGE FOR JOSH WHO REALLY JUST WANTS THE BASKETBALL COURT SET HER IN THE GYM. SO CAN'T HELP YOU THERE, JOSH. BUT, UM, WHAT WOULD IT BE FOR US TO JUST SORT OF WORK ON GETTING THOSE FIELDS, UH, READY FOR PLAY AND THEN MAINTAIN THEM FOR PLAY, UH, AND THE TENNIS COURTS AND NOT WORRY ABOUT ALL THE REST OF IT FOR NOW, SO THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER THAT'S MORE PALATABLE AND WE UNDERSTAND IT BETTER AND WE HAVE A WAY OF, OF LOOKING AT WHAT THAT ANNUAL AMOUNT IS GONNA BE. BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT NUMBERS LIKE THAT, THERE'S A PART OF ME THAT SAYS, DO I GO TO THE HOUSING FUND AND REMOVE SOME OF THE CONTINGENCY IN HOUSING? 'CAUSE TONY'S SITTING BACK THERE AND NOT PAYING ATTENTION AND MOVE IT OVER TO PUBLIC WORKS SO THAT THEY CAN MAINTAIN THESE FIELDS SO THAT HE CAN HAVE MORE KIDS WHO, YOU KNOW, CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. BUT, UM, THE, THE WHOLE POINT HERE IS LET'S START WITH THESE THINGS THAT WE KNOW WORK AND WE KNOW CAN BE USED. AND WE'VE HEARD OR CONSIDERED AN EYESORE AND WE'VE HEARD THAT MONEY THAT THEY USED NOW ON THOSE FIELDS COULD BE USED FOR SOMETHING THAT'S BETTER, UM, FOR THE, THE KIDS IN THE SCHOOL THAN THOSE FIELDS. SO I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, CAN WE START THERE? I I DON'T THINK THEY'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY THAT'S GONNA BE RECLAIMED BECAUSE THE FIELDS ARE IN TERRIBLE SHAPE AND THEY'RE JUST MOWING THEM. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO START THIS. I THINK I WOULD, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO START. IT'S JUST THAT, THAT HE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT IT'S AN EYESORE WHEN THEY COME ONTO CAMPUS, THEY EXTRAPOLATING THAT OUT. I WOULD SAY THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME AND THEY ARE TOURING SCHOOLS BECAUSE THEY WANNA SEE WHAT THEY'RE LIKE, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SEE 'CAUSE IT'S RIGHT OUT THERE. RIGHT? AND SO THEY SEE THIS NICE FIELD WITH THE TRACK, BUT THEN THEY SEE THESE, THIS HORRIBLE FIELD AND I'M A BASEBALL PLAYER, MY SON WANTS TO BE A BASEBALL PLAYER, WHATEVER IT IS. AND I'M GOING, YEAH, NOT THIS SCHOOL. SO I, I FEEL IF WE CAN JUST START THERE WITH THE CONVERSATION AND FIND OUT WHAT THAT WOULD BE, IT'S A START. I, I, I WOULD SAY JUDGE DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? YES. I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK I ANSWERED YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION WELL, NOW THAT I'M THINKING OF IT. SO BASED ON WHAT WE'RE OFFERING NOW, YES. THE BASKETBALL GYM GREATLY IS OUR BIGGEST NEED. SO WE DON'T HAVE OUR OWN IN ANY WAY. SO WE'RE COMPLETELY RELYING ON THE SCHOOL FOR OPEN GYM, YOUTH, BASKETBALL, ALL OF THAT. ONE OF THE COMMUNITY BIGGEST OUTREACHES THAT THEY'D LOVE FOR US TO DO HAS BEEN LITTLE LEAGUE. WHETHER IT'S BASEBALL, SOFTBALL AND THAT KIND OF THING. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TAKE ON BUT SOMETHING WE'VE TRIED IN LITTLE BITS AND DOING A LITTLE CAMP HERE AND THERE OR SOMETHING. SO IF THESE FIELDS WERE UP TO A GREAT QUALITY LITTLE LEAGUE AND BRINGING THAT BACK TO SEDONA, WHICH HASN'T BEEN HERE IN AT LEAST EIGHT PLUS YEARS, UM, COULD EASILY BE DONE OR MUCH MORE EASILY BE [04:45:01] DONE WITH ACCESS TO THE SCHOOL'S FIELDS, WITH LITTLE LEAGUE SOFTBALL, BASEBALL IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE HAVE THERE. WE DO HAVE A EXCELLENT VERDE VALLEY YOUTH SOCCER LEAGUE. SO THERE'S SOCCER HERE. WE HAVE A VERY GOOD YOUTH BASKETBALL PROGRAM. SO BEING ABLE TO ADD LITTLE LEAGUE AND WITH THOSE FIELDS WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION IN THE FUTURE. BUT JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY 'CAUSE THAT WASN'T SOMETHING WE HAVE NOW, BUT COULD BE IN THE FUTURE IF WE DID TAKE CARE OF THOSE FIELDS, SOMETHING EASIER TO DO. THANKS JOSH. DEREK, I'M GONNA SAY THREE THINGS AND THEN I'M GONNA SHUT UP, WHICH I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL GONNA BE RELIEVED. UM, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT TAKING MONEY OUTTA THE HOUSING FUND, WE HAVE A $9 MILLION SURPLUS RIGHT NOW. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TAKING MONEY FROM TONY. UM, BUT IT WAS MUCH MORE FUN. HE GOES, PHEW, RIGHT? YEAH. BUT IT WAS MUCH MORE FUN. YEAH, YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO GET A REACTION. OKAY. THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY IS IF THE BASKETBALL COURTS ARE WHERE OUR USE IS, THEN I WOULD, NOT NOW, BUT I WOULD LIKE THE DISTRICT TO THINK ABOUT, OKAY, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO FIX ON THE BASKETBALL COURTS? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED THERE? IF THERE'S A PLACE, AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP WITH SOME DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON THAT, GREAT. I'VE HEARD, NO, THE ONLY MENTION I'VE HEARD OF THE BASKETBALL COURTS HAS BEEN FROM JOSH AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE USE 'EM AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN BE DO WE CAN DO TO MAKE THOSE BETTER. YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S SEE WHAT THAT IS. UM, AND THEN THE THIRD THING I WOULD JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US ALLOCATE SOME MONEY TO THE TENNIS COURTS. UM, THEY'RE BEING USED. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA REHASH ALL OF THIS WHEN WE COME TO A DECISION MAKING CONVERSATION AFTER WE HAVE ONE MORE PRESENTATION. SO YES, CAN WE, I WOULD SAY THAT WHAT YOU MISSED YESTERDAY, TOM, WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE POOL AND UH, IT'S AT THE END OF ITS LIFECYCLE AND THAT'S GOING TO, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SOME BIG DECISIONS ABOUT THE POOL, WHICH COULD BE BIG MONEY AS WELL. SO IT ALL HAS TO FACTOR IN HERE. AND THEN THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY, AND THESE ARE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS, IS SPAC, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY SPAC IS HEAVILY USED BY THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY. SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE TOLD US THAT THEY FEEL THAT IT'S, IT NEEDS SOME RENOVATION OR IT NEEDS SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, MAINTENANCE AND UPGRADING. SO THAT'S ANOTHER CONVERSATION. YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO. UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS WELL. 'CAUSE THAT IS HEAVILY USED BY THE COMMUNITY AND I THINK WILL CONTINUE TO BE HEAVILY USED BY THE COMMUNITY. SO I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE AS WELL. OKAY. SO I THINK WE'VE EXHAUSTED THIS CONVERSATION MORE THAN, UH, YEAH. WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE CHARTER SCHOOL AND TALK ABOUT THE PLAYGROUND REQUEST. YES. SO THIS ONE WAS OBVIOUSLY A QUICK TURNAROUND ONE FROM SOMEONE THAT SEDONA CHARTER SCHOOL. THEY HAD MET WITH YOU WITH COUNSELOR, A MEMBER OF, OF COUNCIL JUST THE BEGINNING OF THIS WEEK I BELIEVE. AND REQUESTING A PLAYGROUND CLIMBER. I PUT A GENERIC IMAGE, UM, AFTER RECEIVING THE IMAGE FROM AMY, IT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS SAME TYPE OF STRUCTURE, UM, IN THAT SAME $20,000 TYPE RANGE. AND THAT I UPPED THE BUDGET TO 23,000 TO BE ABLE TO INCLUDE THE SHIPPING, INSTALLATION, THAT TYPE OF COST. BUT THIS WOULD BE A SCHOOL CLIMBER IN ADDITION TO THEIR PLAYGROUND THAT WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE TO PUBLIC OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL HOURS AND JUST A NEEDED ADDITION TO THEIR PLAYGROUND STRUCTURE AS REQUESTED. KATHY, ARE THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS, UH, CURRENTLY? IS THERE ANY GATING OR HOW WOULD, WOULD IT BE OPEN ALL THE TIME TO THE PUBLIC? OUR PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY NOT FENCED. SO YES, THE PROPERTY IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. UM, WE BACK UP TO THE, UM, SHARED USE PATH THAT GOES DOWN TO THE LIBRARY. SO, UM, SOMETIMES AFTER SCHOOL OR AFTER SCHOOL HOURS, KIDS COME ONTO THE PLAYGROUND TO PLAY. WE ALSO HAVE A SPORTS COURT THAT HAS, UM, BASKETBALL HOOPS AND THEY PLAY BASKETBALL OR, YOU KNOW, PLAY ON THE SPORTS COURT ALSO. SO IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC DURING WEEKENDS AND DURING EVENING HOURS. THANK YOU. DON'T GO ANYWHERE, MELISSA. DON'T GO ANYWHERE. ME. UH, SO YOU, YOU DESCRIBED TO CHARLOTTE AND I, WHEN WE WERE SITTING THERE, WHAT THIS CLIMBER LOOKED LIKE. MM-HMM . DOESN'T LOOK, [04:50:01] THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO MATCH THAT. IS THIS A DIFFERENT PIECE? IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. UM, THE ONE THAT I HAD IN MY MIND AND THAT I RESEARCHED IS MORE LIKE A SPIDER WEB. IT HAS LIKE A POLE UP THE MIDDLE AND LIKE FOUR CORNERS AND IT HAS LIKE THIS BUNGEE CORD STRUCTURE ON THE INSIDE AND THE KIDS CAN CLIMB UP THE INSIDE AND SIT IN THE SPIDER WEB. IT'S A COMMON, SO JOSH IS MAKING A FACE . SO THIS IS NOT, THIS DOESN'T QUITE MATCH THIS, THIS EQUIPMENT. I, UNTIL IF WE WERE, IT IS ROUGHLY THE SAME PRICE. I HAVE A PICTURE, BUT IT'S NOT VERY, I CAN BRING IT UP AND YOU CAN PASS IT AROUND. IT'S JUST A SMALL PICTURE OF WHAT I HAD RESEARCHED SO. WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU REALLY NEED TO SHOW IT TO JOSH 'CAUSE YES, I SENT IT TO HIM. MY KIDS ARE WAY TOO OLD TO WANNA PLAY ON ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I SENT IT TO HIM. HE, HE HAS THE STRUCTURE. HE, HE HAS SEEN THE STRUCTURE THAT I HAD RESEARCHED. THANK YOU. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE ALLOCATE FUNDS FOR THIS, IT IS WHAT YOU WANT AND WE'RE NOT BUYING A PIECE THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO SETTLE FOR. NO, UM, FOR THIS PRICE, IT, IT'S THE SAME PRICE AND IT'S, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE. OKAY. AND YOU'D BE HAPPY WITH THIS? YES. OKAY. YOU TWO COULD WORK IT OUT. YES. THE POWERPOINT WAS DUE BEFORE THE BEFORE TALKED CHARLOTTE. UM, IT DIDN'T MAKE IT IN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY, ANY MONETARY EVEN GUESSTIMATE. UH, BUT COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE, THE PACK UM, AND THE LIGHTING SYSTEM? YES. UM, SO ONE OF THE OTHER SEDONA CHARTER SCHOOL REQUESTS WAS THE STAGE LIGHTING FIXED IN THEIR PACK, THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER THERE AT THE SEDONA CHARTER SCHOOL. SO ALL THAT WE HAVE SO FAR IS JUST PICTURES THAT AMY GENEROUSLY SENT OVER OF THE PANEL, THE APP FOR THE LIGHTS AND THEN THE LIGHTING STRUCTURE ITSELF. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ONE OF OUR TWO CITY EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ELECTRICIANS BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT IN THE APP AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN COORDINATE. AND THEN THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PUT A BETTER PRICE TO THAT. AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WOULD NEED REPLACEMENT OR RECONFIGURING WITH AN APP OR JUST A MINOR BREAKER FIX, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO DIDN'T EVEN WANNA MAKE A GUESS AT THE PRICE OF THAT, JUST BASED ON NOT HAVING SEEN THAT AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER, PETE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA ASK? UH, NO. NO. ALL MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. WELL, AMY, YOU DID SAY, BECAUSE THERE IS A FENCE THAT GOES ALONG THAT SHARED USE PAST YOUR SCHOOL. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THERE IS. SO THERE AND THE GATE COMES ONTO OUR PROPERTY IN TWO PLACES AND WE DO, WE KEEP THOSE GATES UNLOCKED IN CASE WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY AT THE SCHOOL AND WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THE GATE. IT'S, IT'S AN, UM, A POINT OF EGRESS OFF OF THE CAMPUS. AND WILL THAT BE THE ACCESS TO THIS PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT? UM, THEY, YOU CAN GET IN THAT WAY OR YOU CAN COME THROUGH THE MAIN DRIVE AND ONTO THE PLAYGROUND. GREAT. THANK YOU. IT'D BE GOOD TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT ACCESS THROUGH THE SHARED USE PATH. 'CAUSE WE EXPECT THAT TO BE PRETTY POPULAR ONE I WOULD THINK WHEN IT GETS BUILT UP. YEAH, ACTUALLY IT, THEY HAVE FINISHED THE CONSTRUCTION ON IT. IT'S QUITE NICE. UH, EXCUSE ME, AMY DID, WAS THIS A ON YOUR PRIORITY LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU WANTED TO DO AND JUST DIDN'T HAVE FUNDING FOR? OR HOW DID THIS COME TO BE YOUR IDENTIFIED PROJECT? YES, UM, SO WE HAVE A STUDENT COUNCIL AND THE STUDENT COUNCIL HAS BEEN FUNDRAISING FOR NEW PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE PIECES THAT THEY CHOSE. THEIR FUNDRAISING IS VERY SLOW. LIKE THEY DID A TACO TUESDAY AND THEY MADE $300. THEY WERE VERY EXCITED, BUT IT'S NOT QUITE ENOUGH TO PAY FOR A PIECE OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. THANK YOU. YEP. AND, UH, AMY, YOU'VE PRICED THIS YES. AND IT FITS WITHIN THIS $23,000. SHE THINKS THE NUMBERS ARE TRANSPOSED. YEAH, LIKE WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK UP THIS DESIGN, I COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT NUMBER FROM AT LEAST ONE COMPANY UNTIL, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE YOU RESEARCHED IT, BUT UH, THE NUMBER THAT IT SHOWS IS, IS SORT OF, UM, THE REVERSE. IT'S LIKE 30,000. SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT SIZES AND DIFFERENT, SO THE ONE THAT I LOOKED [04:55:01] AT WAS, I THINK IT WAS CALLED A SIX BY FOUR AND IT HAS, UM, APPROXIMATELY IT BETWEEN 15 AND 20 STUDENTS CAN PLAY ON IT AT A TIME. YEAH. OKAY. SO I'M LOOKING AT, I'M LOOKING AT THAT ONE. AND, AND FROM THIS COMPANY IT'S ABOUT 22? YEAH. YEP. AND AT WHAT AGE, UM, RANGE WOULD USE LESS EQUIPMENT. WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE FOR FIVE TO 12? THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR AMY OR JOSH? PETE, YOU GOOD? OKAY. I'M GONNA SUGGEST WE ACTUALLY START WITH THIS ONE. SEEMS LIKE IT'S THE EASIEST ONE. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO PETE, YOU GOT YOUR FINGER UP OR DOWN? WHI WHICH ONE? THE, THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR CHARTER SCHOOL. OKAY. SO WE'RE SEVEN. OH, IN FAVOR OF THAT 6 0 0 6 OH RIGHT. WITH ONE RECUSED. OH, RIGHT, OKAY. OF THE PLAYGROUND AT THE CHARTER SCHOOL. YES. SO I, I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE WE LEAVE THE CHARTER SCHOOL AND, AND THAT'S ON THE LIGHTING. GET OFF, GET OFF THE D AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S ABOUT THE LIGHTING AND UH, IT'S REALLY, THIS IS REALLY DIRECTED EITHER TO BARBARA, TO THE CITY MANAGER. I THINK, UM, IF WE PUT A PLACEHOLDER AMOUNT IN SO WE HAVE SOMETHING IN THE BUDGET AND THEN EITHER WE DECIDE IT ISN'T DOABLE OR WHATEVER IN MAY, WE COULD TAKE IT OUT. IS THAT CORRECT? BUT IF WE DECIDE IF IT COMES BACK AND WE WANTED TO DO IT, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT IN MAY. NO, YOU COULD, EXCUSE ME. UH, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION OF DIPPING INTO YOUR CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT AND MOVING MONEY UP OUT OF CONTINGENCY IF IT'S NOT A SPECIFIC LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET. WHEN YOU ADOPT IT AND WE GET INTO THE NEW FISCAL YEAR AND YOU HAVE THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, THERE IS THAT OPTION. BUT BEFORE AT THE MAY MEETING, WE CAN INCREASE THE BUDGET. YES. AT THE MAY MEETING IS WHEN YOU'RE GONNA SET THE MAXIMUM. YEAH, THE HIGHER MAXIMUM AND THE JUNE MEETING IS WHEN YOU CAN SET SOMETHING LOWER. LOWER THAN THAT. YEAH. OKAY. SO A BREAK HAS BEEN REQUESTED. WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR LUNCH, JOANNE? IN HERE. OH, IT'S IN HERE. THERE'S FOOD, THERE'S LEFTOVER PIZZA. OKAY. TOM WILL INVITE YOU TO LUNCH , BUT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AFTER LUNCH. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JOIN US, WELCOME TO AND AMY. THANK YOU MUCH TIME FOR PETE. DID YOU FINISH WITH THE LIGHTING? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, I JUST ASSUMED THAT THIS WAY JOSH AND, AND AMY CAN CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION ON TRYING TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE LIGHTING AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE WANTED TO SUPPORT IT, ASSUMING THE AMOUNT WASN'T OUTRAGEOUS THAT UM, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, TO BRING THAT BACK INTO CONVERSATION IN TIME FOR THE MAY DISCUSSION. YEP. CAN YOU, UH, PROVIDE A TIME TO COME BACK FOR PETE? THANK YOU. OH. OH, THANK YOU PETE. UH, HALF AN HOUR, QUARTER TO TWO. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'RE IN RECESS. IS THAT THE RIGHT WORD? OKAY, WE'RE BACK AND WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE STONE OAK CREEK SCHOOL DISTRICT REQUESTS. LET'S START WITH THE AFTER AFTERSCHOOL EXTRACURRICULAR CAMP PROGRAMS. IS JOSH HERE? UH, HE MIGHT BE ON HIS WAY BACK. HE'S JUST NOT IN. DID YOU NEED JOSH TO PRESENT OR, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK WE'VE PRETTY MUCH EXHAUSTED IT, BUT I DON'T LIKE TO, WE WE NEED PD TO PUT A POLO OUT ON HIM. YEAH. BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR JOSH. MAYOR. MAY I? YES. PETE, DID WE MAKE ANY DECISION ON THE 25 DAY OR LESS OF WHETHER WE CAN HAVE SOME FUNDS AVAILABLE TO WAIVE FEES FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE IN NEED? WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT. THIS IS THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT. WE JUST STARTING THAT DISCUSSION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. WHY DON'T YOU START IT? THOSE ARE MY TWO CONCERNS. I ONLY HEARD ONE. YEAH. WHETHER THE THE, UH, THE FEE WAS ATTAINABLE OR NOT. 25 DAY DOLLARS A DAY IS THE RIGHT NUMBER. RIGHT. AND THE SECOND, OR SHOULD IT [05:00:01] BE LOWER? AND THEN WHETHER THERE COULD BE SOME FUND TO PAY FOR WAIVED FEES FOR KIDS IN NEED. I THOUGHT THEY ALREADY, KURT, WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THAT ABOUT WAIVED FEES? SO MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I THOUGHT THE NUMBER, UH, PARKS AND REC WAS, HAD PUT UP THERE WAS FOR TO FUND THE FULL AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM REGARDLESS OF THE FEE AMOUNT IT WAS. SO I THINK WE CAN, WE DON'T NEED A FUND TO FIGURE THAT OUT. THE $25 A DAY OR ANYTHING LESS WOULD, WOULD REDUCE THAT OVER TIME. BUT IF YOU APPROVE THE FULL AMOUNT, UM, AS WE DEVELOP THE PROGRAM, WE CAN COME BACK WITH, UH, WHAT MIGHT BE A MANUAL, WHETHER IT'S A A DOLLAR A DAY OR $5 A DAY. I DO AGREE SOME AMOUNT, UH, WORKS BEST ALSO FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE SO THAT THERE'S UM, WE HAVE THE PARENTS, YOU KNOW, SIGN UP AND SIGN A WAIVER AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEN THERE'S SOME DID YOU HEAR THAT PETE? YES. IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU THAT WE SET THE REAL MOUTH LATER? I AGREE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A NUMBER, SKIN IN THE GAME IS A GOOD THING. MM-HMM . WHAT KURT WAS SAYING IS THAT THE, THE 214,000 7 75 IS EXCLUSIVE OF THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE CHAR WE WOULD CHARGE. SO IF WE APPROVE THE 2 14 7 7 5, WE COULD GO DOWN TO ZERO. NOT THAT WE NECESSARILY WANNA DO THAT, BUT WE HAVE THE OPTION OF DOING THAT OR ANYTHING. OKAY. BETWEEN ZERO AND $25. OH, WELL NOW I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. SO I THOUGHT THE 2 14 7 7 5 IS THE COST IT WILL TAKE FOR JOSH TO ACTUALLY RUN THE PROGRAMS. YEAH. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE $25. EXACTLY. THAT'S WHAT WE SAYING THE DIFFERENCE, THAT DIFFERENCE IS THAT PETE'S TALKING ABOUT SHOULD THERE BE ADDITIONAL MONIES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROGRAM THAT COULD BE USED AS SCHOLARSHIPS TO REDUCE THE FEES. SO IT'S ALREADY FULLY FUNDED BY THE CITY. YEAH. SO YOU DON'T NEED ANY SCHOLARSHIPS. YOU DON'T NEED A SCHOLARSHIP. THERE'S NO FEES IN THE TWO 14. I SEE. OKAY. I THOUGHT THERE THERE WERE THAT. WELL, I GUESS, I GUESS NOT. SO I THOUGHT I HAD HEARD YOU SAY JOSH, THAT THE $25 ON TOP OF THE TWO 14 IS USED TO HIRE SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO COME AND RUN THE COURSES. NO, THE THE $25 OR WHATEVER EACH INDIVIDUAL CAMP WOULD COST WOULD BE REVENUE KINDA RECOUPING SOME OF THAT AMOUNT. OKAY. GOT IT. YES. OKAY. SO ARE WE READY TO VOTE ON THIS? OH, I WAS GONNA SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF IT, BUT I THINK WE'RE READY TO VOTE, SO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THE FIRST REQUEST FOR THE AFTER SCHOOL EXTRACURRICULAR CAMP PROGRAMS, 214,000 707 5. OKAY. FOR SEVEN ZERO. OKAY. THE NEXT ONE I'M GONNA GO TO THE SECURITY CONSULTANT. SO THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT SOMEBODY RAISED, STEPHANIE OR CHIEF, UM, THE, ON OUR SLIDE IT SAYS THERE'S UH, FY 27 80 1000 FY 28, 200 10,000. BUT, UH, ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME MONEY IN 26 50. AND COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS? YOU'RE GONNA USE MONEY FROM THIS YEAR'S BUDGET? YES. WE BROKE IT INTO, CURRENTLY FOR THE REMAINING MONTH AND A HALF THAT WE, OR TWO MONTHS THAT WE HAVE, AND THEN WE DID NEXT YEAR AND THEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD PULL IT UP, BUT I THOUGHT OUR ENTIRE PACKAGE WAS LIKE 310 THAT WE WERE PROPOSING OR THREE 80, BUT IT, WE HAD IT BROKEN INTO THREE YEARS. SO THERE IS PART FOR THIS YEAR TO DO THE IMMEDIATE CAFETERIA AREA AND I BELIEVE WE DID SOME SIGNAGE. I CAN GRAB MY COMPUTER REAL QUICK AND THAT OKAY. YEAH, SO IN THE DECISION PACKAGE IT SAYS CURRENT YEAR, FISCAL YEAR 26, $50,000 FOR INSTALLATION OF FENCING AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND 5,000 FOR INSTALLATION OF SIGNAGE AT THE HIGH SCHOOL. BUT I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT 55 IS COMING FROM, IF THAT'S AN EXPENDED DOLLARS IN THE CAPITAL PROGRAM OR YOUR DEPARTMENT OR, WE DIDN'T HAVE A, UH, A PLACE THAT IT WOULD COME FROM. WE WERE JUST TELLING YOU IF WE NEEDED TO DO THE IMMEDIATE SECURITY NEED, THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD BE TO DO THAT FENCING THAT'S ALONG THAT CAFETERIA AREA TO START WITH AND SOME SIGNAGE FOR AN IMMEDIATE NEED THAT WE SEE THAT THAT'S THERE. AND THEN WE BROKE IT INTO THE FOLLOWING TWO YEARS. SO OKAY. SO JUST FENCING FOR THAT ONE SMALL AREA. 'CAUSE THAT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR THE, NOPE, THAT WAS JUST FOR THE [05:05:01] PORTION THAT WE SAW WAS AN IMMEDIATE NEED AND THEN THE SIGNAGE TO GO WITH IT. AND THEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR WE WOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL WORK THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE ON FENCING, SIGNAGE, THE GATE, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT. AND I HAD BROKEN IT RIGHT THERE. I HAD BROKEN IT INTO, UM, HOW WE WOULD GO ABOUT THREE YEARS, WELL, TWO YEARS TRULY WITH A LITTLE BIT REMAINDER FROM THIS YEAR. SO YOU, YOU THINK THAT THIS TOTAL ESTIMATE WOULD INCLUDE FENCING, THE WHOLE PERIMETERS? NO, NO, NO. THESE ARE JUST SOME PARTS BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT PUBLIC WORKS WAS GONNA BE WORKING ON THE ENTIRE AREA AND SOME OF THIS IS JUST THE AREA THAT WE DESIGNATE FOR, UM, CREATING MORE SECURITY AROUND THE SCHOOL, NOT NOT THE ENTIRE CAMPUS. RIGHT. OKAY. TOM, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? YES. OKAY. COULD I ASK A QUESTION OR DID WE COME TO AGREEMENT THAT THE P AND O THE CONS OUTSIDE CONSULTANT WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY? WOULD THAT BE SUBTRACTED OUT? I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE KEEP SOMETHING IN THERE IN CASE, UM, WE NEED SOME ASSISTANCE WITH PART OF IT THAT'S NOT OUR SPECIALTY AS FAR AS LIKE THE, THE CAMERA SYSTEM OR YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT IT'S NOT REALLY PART OF OUR THREAT ASSESSMENT AND KNOWING IF IT'S AT THE QUALITY IT NEEDS TO BE VERSUS, UM, WE MIGHT SUGGEST MORE CAMERA COVERAGE IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS OR THAT TYPE OF UPGRADE. BUT IT WOULD NOT CONSIST OF PROBABLY AS IN DEPTH, BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY WHITTLE DOWN HOW MUCH WORK THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO IN THE CONSULTING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF? AND I WAS JUST GONNA SAY IN THERE YOU CAN ALSO SEE SOME OF IT IS FOR WEST SEDONA SCHOOL TO UPGRADE SOME OF THEIR CURRENT FENCING AS WELL. UM, AND THEN SOME LANDSCAPE, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT LIKE PUBLIC WORKS LANDSCAPING, THAT'S FOR SOME OF THE SHRUBBERY THAT WE FIND IS CHALLENGING FOR VIEWING AND, AND MORE OF A SECURITY. SO THAT'S HOW WE JUST BROKE DOWN OUR IMMEDIATE NEEDS FOR WHAT WE WOULD BE SUGGESTING FOR BOTH SCHOOLS. OKAY. SO WERE WE READY TO VOTE ON THIS? UM, NO, I'M, I'M MAYOR IF I MAY. YEAH, OF COURSE. CHIEF, CHIEF, YOU'RE LEAVING THE DOOR OPEN TO HAVE SOME OF THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE CHARTER SCHOOL AS WELL. I THINK THAT'S DEPENDENT ON IF THAT'S WHAT YOU TELL US TO DO. YES, ABSOLUTELY. SO, AND I THINK WHAT I LAST REMEMBERED IS THAT YOU ASKED IF, WAS IT AMY? YEAH, AMY. AMY. UM, AND WE'RE TOTALLY OPEN TO THAT AND SHE SAID YES. UM, BUT THEY ALSO SAID THEY HAVE A REALLY SMALL CAMPUS, SO IT SHOULDN'T TAKE THAT MANY. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THEIR CAMPUS AS WELL, BUT YEAH, I'M, AND WE DIDN'T FACTOR IN ANY PRICES TO THAT. SO I GUESS IF WE HAD TO COME BACK, IF IT EXCEEDS ANY OF THIS, UM, OR CHANGES SLIGHTLY AND WE HAVE SAVINGS IN ONE SPOT, WE WOULD USE THAT. BUT IF WE HAD TO COME BACK, BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T FACTOR IN, WAS THE CHARTER SCHOOL. OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU ALL OR WITHIN THE MAYOR, UH, MANAGER'S BUDGET AUTHORITY. CORRECT. KATHY? YEAH, I, I'M, THE WAY THIS IS LAID OUT, IT'S, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M, THAT I CAN SUPPORT IN ITS CURRENT FORM. UM, SO I'M HOPING THAT THERE, WE CAN BREAK IT OUT IN SOME ALTERNATIVES. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT I NEED THAT LAID OUT MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT IT IS. FOR EXAMPLE, I WANNA SUBTRACT OUT THE CONSULTANT COSTS FOR THE MOMENT. 'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE, BEFORE WE EVEN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT GOING TO SECURITY CONSULTANT, I'D LIKE THE FEEDBACK FROM THE SECURITY THREAT ASSESSMENT THAT PD DOES AND WHETHER THAT THEN WARRANTS IT GOING TO A CONSULTANT. UM, I LOOK AT THAT AS SOMETHING THAT PD DOES FOR ALL DIFFERENT SORTS OF ORGANIZATIONS, INSTITUTIONS IN THE CITY. SO I DON'T LOOK AT THAT AS A GIFT OR ANYTHING SPECIAL TO THE SCHOOL. I, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE THAT TO BE DONE AS FOR ANY ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD BE REQUESTING THAT. SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE NUMBERS BROKEN OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE. I COULD MAYBE GET BEHIND SOME OF THE FENCING, BUT I NEED TO UNDERSTAND, AND I DON'T THINK I DO UNDERSTAND UNTIL I HAVE THAT INFORMATION BACK ABOUT HOW THE FENCING ACTUALLY IS HELPFUL, THE WAY IT'S BROKEN DOWN OVER THREE YEARS. WELL, ALL WE'RE DOING TODAY IS VOTING FOR FFY 27 AND IF THEY'RE GONNA SPEND ANY MONEY IN FFY 26, BUT YOU HAVE THAT MONEY. I, I'M SURE, UM, WE HAVE IT IN SOME PART, OR IF IT WOULD JUST COME FROM CONTINGENCY. BUT, UM, BARBARA, DO YOU KNOW, OR STERLING, IF WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, IF WE NEEDED, DEFINE THE 55,000 IN THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET TO DO THIS FIRST PORTION, WE ABSOLUTELY COULD DO THAT. AND THEN JUST TO GO OVER YOUR CONCERNS, THIS IS WHAT WE DID. I, I THINK WE WERE TASKED WITH IT TWO WEEKS AGO. UM, AND SO THIS [05:10:01] IS WHAT WE HAD PUT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, JUST QUICKLY TRYING TO GET YOU THE INFORMATION. IF YOU WANTED SOMETHING THAT'S IN A, YOU KNOW, MORE EXPLANATION OF THE FENCING OR TYPE OF FENCING OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE WITH MORE DETAILS, WE COULD WORK ON THAT FOR THE NEXT YEAR. BUT AGAIN, THESE WERE JUST, UM, ESTIMATES WE WERE PUTTING TOGETHER. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUOTES. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY GO OUT THERE. THIS IS JUST BASED ON OTHER WORK THAT WE KNOW HAS BEEN DONE AND OR KNOWING THE AREA OF WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED, FOR EXAMPLE, TO BETTER ILLUSTRATE WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THE $10,000 ALLOCATED FOR THE RELOCATION OF THE ELECTRIC GATE AT THE HIGH SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION BUILDING MIGHT BE GREAT. IS IT, IF ALONE WITHOUT WORK DONE IN THE OTHER BUDGETED PORTIONS OF 26 AND, UH, OF 27 RATHER AND 28, OR WOULD IT BE ONLY A PART OF THAT THAT WORKS ONLY WITH THE REST OF THE STUFF COMING IN? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S A STANDALONE ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED REGARDLESS OF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME. YES. WHERE THEIR CURRENT GATE IS, IS FURTHER BACK PAST THAT OLD TRAILHEAD PARKING LOT THAT PEOPLE USE. THAT WAS SHUT DOWN BECAUSE FOREST SERVICE CREATED A, A BETTER LOCATION SO WE COULD LIMIT MORE PEOPLE WALKING ON CAMPUS. SO THAT GATE WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS REALLY NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD CLOSER TO THE ROAD. AND THAT IS AN ELECTRICAL GATE. SO THAT'S NOT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO, UM, TEAR UP THE ROAD AND RUN MORE ELECTRICAL TO RELOCATE THAT GATE. AND THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE OUTSIDE THE OTHER FENCING. IT'S ANOTHER ISSUE. AND HOW DOES THAT DELINEATE, WHAT'S THE, JUST BECAUSE I NEED TO PUT THIS IN MY HEAD, BUT THIS WAY, SO WHAT'S, HOW DOES THAT BENEFIT THE PUBLIC AS WELL? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THE SCHOOLS, BUT AGAIN, I'M SITTING HERE AS A CITY COUNSELOR FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA AND I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT PUBLIC BENEFIT THERE IS BY MOVING THAT GATE. 'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A PALATABLE, UM, PROJECT, BUT I HAVE TO UNDERSTANDS. YEAH. I THINK IT'S TIED TO THE SAFETY OF, OF THE CHILDREN. SO, AND THAT IS OUR, OUR PUBLIC, REGARDLESS OF IT BEING SOMETHING THE PUBLIC GETS TO USE, THE PUBLIC WILL ACCESS THAT GATE IF THEY GO TO USE THE TENNIS COURTS OR OTHER AREAS ON THE SCHOOL CAMPUS THAT YOU SAY IS ALLOWABLE AFTER DOING SOME OF THE OTHER MAINTENANCE THINGS. SO THIS IS JUST, THE LOCATION'S NOT GREAT. IT WAS PUT IN THERE DURING A TIME WHERE THAT WAS THE MOST IDEAL POSITION BASED ON THAT TRAILHEAD PARKING LOT AND NOT BEING ABLE TO BLOCK ACCESS THERE. SO THE SAME IS WHY IT WAS IMPORTANT TO THE PUBLIC AND OR THE SCHOOL AND THE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES IS STILL RINGS TRUE. WE JUST WANNA RELOCATE IT SO IT'S IN A BETTER POSITION FOR SECURITY FOR THE SCHOOL MOVING FORWARD. YEAH, SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THE THOUGHT PROCESS BETWEEN BOTH OF THOSE WAS, WAS TIED EXACTLY WHAT THE CHIEF JUST SAID. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THE DISCUSSION WAS ORIGINALLY AND STILL IS ONLY WITH THE CHARTER SCHOOL AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. 'CAUSE IF THE CITY BRINGS MORE PUBLIC, UH, ACTIVITY AND PRESENCE TO THOSE CAMPUSES, UH, THEN IT'S LOGICAL THAT WE'D BRING A LITTLE MORE SECURITY TO WHERE THERE'S THREATS, WHICH THEN IT FOLLOWS SUIT IN FOR ME ANYWAY, THAT IT ALSO MAKES SENSE IF WE'RE INCREASING PUBLIC USE THERE, THAT THE $5,000 FOR THE WIFI AND THE CELLULAR BOOSTERS I, I THINK MAKES SENSE AS WELL. 'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING ANYBODY IN THE AREA. UM, AND THE ONE, THE OTHER ONE IS THE LANDSCAPING UPDATES IN FOR THE 6,000 IN FISCAL YEAR 2027. IS THAT STANDALONE OR IS THAT PART OF SOMETHING THAT ONLY MAKES SENSE IF WE'RE GOING INTO THE STUFF THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN 28? I JUST WANNA KNOW WHERE THESE THINGS STAND ALONE. COULD YOU JUST SAY THAT TO ME ONE MORE TIME SO I MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? UNDER FISCAL YEAR 2027, THERE'S A LINE ITEM THAT SAYS $6,000 FOR LANDSCAPING UPDATES INCLUDING TREE AND SHRUBBERY REMOVAL. I DON'T THINK THIS IS POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, , UM, 4,000 FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL, 2000 FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THAT IS A PROJECT THAT STANDS ALONE OR IS IT PART OF AND TIED INTO OTHER THINGS THAT ARE COMING, LIKE THE REPLACEMENT OR RELOCATING OF THE FENCE OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN 28? I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S STANDING ALONE. SO THE, WE PUT IT THERE BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO BID OUT PROBABLY WHO'S GONNA COME IN AND HELP US WITH. UM, IT, IT'S ALL PART OF THE SCHOOL THREAT ASSESSMENT AS WELL, WHICH HAD BEEN DONE OVER MANY YEARS WHERE, UM, THERE ARE LOCATIONS WHERE THERE ARE SHRUBBERY THAT EITHER BLOCKS THE VIEW THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR US AND ESSENTIAL FOR US TO GET ONTO CAMPUS AND OR, UM, ACCESS OR BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH. SO WE WOULDN'T PRIORITIZE GETTING THAT DONE JUST YET BECAUSE WE NEED TO PUT THE OTHER FENCING IN SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST SECURE THE AREA. THEN THE NEXT PHASE WOULD BE GOING IN FOR SOME OF THAT, UM, LANDSCAPE THAT SHOULD NOT BE THERE. THAT IS ACTUALLY MORE PROBLEMATIC FROM [05:15:01] A POLICE RESPONSE FOR VIEWABILITY AND ACCESS INTO THE SCHOOL THAT WE NEED TO, UM, GET RID OF, CUT DOWN TRIM. UM, SO THAT'S WHERE THAT COMES FROM ON BOTH CAMPUSES. SO THAT'S NOT, LIKE I WAS SAYING, SIMILAR TO KURT'S, WHAT HE WAS SAYING AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE OF FIELDS, THIS IS STRICTLY FROM A SECURITY THREAT ASSESSMENT THAT IS CURRENTLY HINDERING, UM, SOME SAFETY ITEMS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BETTER FOR VIEWABILITY. MAYOR, I, I, I WOULD BE, UM, IF YOU TELL ME WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT, BUT I WOULD BE PUTTING FORWARD AN ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL THAT WOULD FOR FISCAL YEAR 27, UH, FUND THE $10,000 RELOCATION OF THE GATE, THE $6,000 LANDSCAPING UPDATES, AND THE $5,000 WIFI AND CELLULAR BOOSTERS FOR A TOTAL OF 31,000 AND DIRECT THE, UH, PD ASSESSMENT TO TAKE PLACE IN FISCAL YEAR 26. WELL, CAN THAT BE DONE CHIEF IS THE ASSESSMENT WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF A CONSULTANT ON TOP OF IT OR FOR SOME OF THE AREAS, LIKE WE WERE SAYING, THAT TECHNOLOGY THAT A CONSULTANT WOULD BE BETTER FOR BECAUSE THAT WIFI IS AND SECURE AND THE CELLULAR BOOST IS TO ACTUALLY HELP WHAT SOME OF THE SECURITY CAMERA ISSUES POSE FOR US AND OR EVEN OUR ABILITY, UM, TO GET OUT FROM OUR PHONES IN A TIME OF NEED. SO THOSE, I GUESS IT DEPENDS BECAUSE I WOULD SAY IF WE'RE DOING THE THREAT ASSESSMENT BASED ON EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE AND THE CONSULTANT WOULDN'T BE IN NEXT YEAR, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GET A BETTER ANSWER TO YOU IN TWO MONTHS BEFORE WE'RE BACK HERE FOR YOU TO FINALIZE THE BUDGET OF KNOWING THOSE NEEDS. I KNOW WHAT RIGHT NOW WOULD BE IMMEDIATE, WHICH IS WHAT I HAD PUT UP THERE FOR NEXT YEAR. THEN IT GIVES US TIME TO SELECT A CONSULTANT IF WE FEEL THAT WE NEED THAT AFTER WE JUST KIND OF, WE ALREADY DID ONE WALKTHROUGH. LIKE I SAID, COMMANDER PENNER WAS AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND COMMANDER YOUNG WAS AT WEST SEDONA. SO THESE WERE ALREADY WALKTHROUGHS THAT WE DID WITH TOM AND OR OTHER STAFF FROM THE SCHOOL. SO I WOULDN'T REALLY WANNA BUMP UP THAT CONSULTANT INTO THIS YEAR BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE, EVEN WITH A CURRENT CONSULTANT WE'RE WORKING WITH FOR OUR, UM, STRATEGIC PLAN THAT I COULD TAKE ON ANOTHER RIGHT NOW. THAT'S FAIR. FAIR? YES. GOOD. CHIEF, I ALWAYS THOUGHT I HEARD SOMEWHERE THAT SCHOOLS HAVE SOME SPECIFIC SECURITY REQUIREMENTS THAT MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN HOW YOU NORMALLY THINK ABOUT 'EM. IS THAT TRUE OR NOT TRUE? AND ARE YOU AWARE OF THEM? IS THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE NEED A CONSULTANT? BECAUSE THERE'S SOME SPECIALIZED SCHOOL KNOWLEDGE. CORRECT. YOU READY TO VOTE? SO I WANNA KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE WE VOTING, WE'RE VOTING ON THE ENTIRE, UH, 81,000 FOR FISCAL YEAR 27. IS THAT YEAH, THE VOTE YOU'RE ASKING FOR. OKAY, PETE, WE'RE VOTING. OH, I SEE YOUR THUMBS UP. YEAH, IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH TO WHAT I WAS. OKAY, SO IF YOU FEW THOUSAND OFF. 7 0 6 6 0 6 0 OH PERSONA, 6 0 1 RECUSED. OKAY. SCHOOL DISTRICT PARK. ONE, ONE MOMENT. ARE WE GOING TO DO ANY VOTING ON THE REQUEST FOR MONIES IN THIS FISCAL YEAR? I KIND OF THOUGHT WE DID IT, BUT NOT THEY'RE WITHIN THE MANAGERS. I DON'T THINK WE NEED A YEAH. IS THAT, I MEAN, IF THERE'S HEAD NODS THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO THE 55 HUNDREDS IN YOUR AUTHORITY. 55,000? I'M SORRY, YES. 55,000. YES. YES. OKAY. YEAH. I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHAT WE CHANGED YOU TO. 150. 150. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOOD WITH THIS 26 AND 27. AND OF COURSE, ANYTHING YOU CAN DO IN 26, USE UP MONEY. YOU SHOULD DO IT. OKAY. OKAY. THE TOUGH ONE. YEAH. THE, UH, LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE AND YEAH, HERE'S THE DETAILS FOR THAT AND THE TOTAL. SO CAN I SPEAK TO THIS JUST A LITTLE BIT? SO I DIDN'T, UM, I WANTED TO, UM, SHARE WITH YOU THE NUMBERS THAT I ORIGINALLY SHARED WITH YOU, WHICH WERE JUST ESTIMATES, UM, OVER THAT TWO DAY PERIOD. FOUR. UM, 'CAUSE THAT THAT WAS A, I I AGREE. WHEN I, WHEN I SAW THAT BIG PACKAGE, [05:20:01] THAT BIG NUMBER, I WAS LIKE, WHOA, THAT'S MUCH MORE THAN I ANTICIPATED. UM, BUT AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE ESTIMATES THAT, THAT WE HAD FROM OUR THIRD PARTY THAT, UM, AGAIN, THIS, THIS IS OVER THE PHONE. THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, UH, A PRETTY KICK QUICK TURNAROUND. BUT AT WEST SEDONA, UM, OH, EXCUSE ME. LET ME ATH LET'S JUST TALK ATHLETIC FIELDS. 'CAUSE IF YOU, IN, IN MY OPINION, IF WE'RE, UM, AND, AND I'M SPEAKING JUST AS A SUPERINTENDENT AT SEDONA OAK CREEK SCHOOLS, ALL OF THESE PROPOSALS, IF YOU WERE TO SAY YOU GET ONE, THIS WOULD BE THE ONE THAT I WOULD WANT. UM, ATHLETIC FIELDS RENOVATIONS. THERE'S A ONE TIME COST OF 8,000 TO 10,000 PER FIELD. OKAY. ONGOING, FA FIELD MAINTENANCE IS ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR PER FIELD. SO IF YOU INCLUDE, WHAT IS THAT? UM, IF WE JUST DO, UH, SOFTBALL, BASEBALL IN THE PRACTICE FIELD, THAT'S $3,600 ANNUALLY, IF WE DECIDED TO DO THE FOOTBALL, UM, UH, ADD ANOTHER 12,000 FOR THAT. SO THAT NUMBER IS FAR DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE ORIGINAL, UH, WHAT THE, THE SECONDARY PROPOSAL WAS. UM, THAT, THAT I, UM, THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF. THE, UM, THE LANDSCAPING PIECE, THIS ONCE AGAIN IS A, FROM A THIRD PARTY. THE ESTIMATED COST AT, UM, WEST SEDONA IS 5,000 PER MONTH, ANNUAL COST OF $60,000. AND THE SAME THING AT RED ROCK. SO I JUST, I JUST, BEFORE YOU GET INTO THAT DISCUSSION THERE, THE NUMBERS THAT I, UM, AND THESE ARE ESTIMATES, THESE ARE THE, THE ROUGH ESTIMATES THAT I PROPOSED. THAT'S, THAT WAS WHAT I PROPOSED ORIGINALLY. SO IF THERE'S THREE FIELDS, I HEARD THREE FIELDS. 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T SAY HOW MANY FIELDS IN YOUR EMAIL SOFTWARE. WELL, BUT IF IT'S THREE FIELDS AND YOU ADD ALL OF THAT UP, IT'S JUST SHY OF $200,000, IF THAT HELPS. THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE UPGRADING OF THE FIELDS OR JUST THE MAINTAINING ONCE THEY'VE BEEN UPGRADED? BOTH, HE SAYS IT'S EIGHT TO 10,000 PER FIELD. SO IF IT'S 10 TIMES THREE IS 30, UM, ALL FIELDS CONFINED FOR ANNUAL MAINTENANCE IS 36,000. SO THERE'S 66, UM, AT WEST SEDONA ANNUALIZED LANDSCAPING COST IS 60,000. SO THERE'S 120,000, YOU KNOW, IF I'M GOING DOWN THIS LIST. UM, AND THEN THE HIGH SCHOOL IS 60,000, SO THAT'S 186,000 ROUGHLY WHEN YOU ADD FIELD UPGRADE, FIELD MAINTENANCE. AND THEN THE LANDSCAPING MONTHLY COSTS AT EACH, IN THE, IN THE THREE FIELDS, 36,000, IF WE INCLUDED, IF, IF, IF YOU WERE TO ASK ME WHICH THREE FIELDS NEED THE MOST WORK, UM, AND THE MOST IT REQUIRES THE, BY FAR THE MOST UPKEEP, IT IS THE BASEBALL SOFTBALL IN THE PRACTICE FIELD. UM, THE, THE FOOTBALL FIELD GETS THE MOST USE, BUT IT IS ALSO THE MOST EASY TO MAINTAIN BECAUSE IT'S TURF. AND SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY JUST LANDSCAPING AROUND THAT AREA. BUT IF WE WERE TO INCLUDE, INCLUDE THAT, IT WOULD BE 48,000 PER MONTH, IF YOU INCLUDED THAT. THANK YOU, BRIAN, TOM, TO GO AWAY. BUT THOSE ARE YOUR ESTIMATES. THOSE ARE NOT BIDS FROM ANYBODY. THESE ARE NOT BIDS, THESE ARE NOT QUOTES. UM, AS I SAID, WE HAD THAT MEETING AND THERE WAS A, ESSENTIALLY A TWO DAY TURNAROUND. DID THE BEST, UM, BEST I COULD TO GET THE BEST ESTIMATES POSSIBLE. I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE MORE DETAILED INFORMATION THAN THAT, UNFORTUNATELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. KATHY, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS ITEM IS READY FOR DISCUSSION BASED ON THAT WE NEED, THERE'S SUCH A DISPARITY BETWEEN THOSE NUMBERS AND NUMBERS THAT, THAT YOU JUST SAID IN THAT, THAT I, I DON'T HAVE A WAY TO ASSESS THAT WITH THAT GAP. WELL, THE, UM, CITY STAFF PROPOSAL WAS BASED ON IF WE WERE TO ASSUME ALL LATENT LANDSCAPE AND MAINTENANCE OF ALL THE PROPERTY OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH IS MUCH GREATER AREA THAN WHAT IS IN, UM, THE SUPERINTENDENT'S EMAIL. SO, AND THAT WOULD TAKE A NEW CREW. BASICALLY, WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY ON OUR CURRENT CREW TO JUST ABSORB IT. UM, SO THAT IT'S THE CLASSIC, YOU COULD CONTRACT IT OUT OR YOU COULD CREATE A CREW. IT'S ALSO KNOWING WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A PERMANENT OR SEMI-PERMANENT RESPONSIBILITY, THE CITY WOULD BE ACCEPTING. BUT IF IT'S MORE IN THE REALM OF WE HAVE SOME ONE-TIME FUNDS, WE WANNA HELP UPGRADE SOME THINGS AND GET THINGS BACK TO SNUFF, THEN I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT THAT STILL DOESN'T RECONCILE WITH WHAT I'M HEARING BECAUSE THE SUPERINTENDENT IS SAYING, [05:25:01] YOU SAID THAT IT WAS A A 10,000 PER FIELD FOR THOSE THREE, EACH OF THOSE FIELDS WITH A $1,000 MAINTENANCE COST, ANNUALIZED MAINTENANCE COST 1000 A MONTH. I THINK IF YOU LOOK, LOOK AT THE MONTH. 1000 A MONTH. YEAH. IT'S NOT 1000 A MONTH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DID NOT YOUR MONTH. AND THIS IS THIS, THIS IS THE ONE OF OUR VENDORS THAT, THAT WE WORK WITH. SO WE CURRENTLY WORK WITH THIS THIRD PARTY VENDOR. AND SO, UM, I I WOULD IMAGINE WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS LOOKING WHAT THEY BELIEVE WITH THE CURRENT STAFF THAT THEY HAVE, OR WITH HIRING ADDITIONAL STAFF AT THE, AT THE RATE THAT THEY OFFER WITH PAY, WITH THEIR EQUIPMENT THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE. SO THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY'RE BUYING ADDITIONAL TRUCKS. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE BUYING ADDITIONAL MOWERS. UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SIMPLY FOR THE LABOR COST OF, OF, UM, RENOVATING AND THEN, UM, MAINTAINING. SO THAT'S STILL 36 THEN, UH, UM, SORRY, 66 THEN. RIGHT? YOU GET 30,000 FOR THREE FIELDS AND 36,000 IN MAINTENANCE FOR A YEAR. THAT'S 66 FOR JUST THE FIELDS. AND THEN HE HAS ANOTHER CATEGORY FOR LANDSCAPING, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL EACH MONTH AND ONE FOR RIGHT. BUT I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET TO WHAT MIGHT BE A CONDENSED DOWN A SMALLER PROJECT, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT ALL OF THIS IS EVEN READY FOR DISCUSSION. IT'S SO BROAD. I THINK IT IS. LET ME, LET ME OFFER SOMETHING. LET'S, LET'S TELL KURT, NOT YOU, KURT, THE OTHER KURT BEHIND YOU, UH, HARRIS AND, AND TOM, WHAT IT IS WE WANT, AND JOSH, WHAT IT IS WE WANT AND LET THEM GO AND BRING US BACK THE NUMBERS. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE HAVE. SO LET'S DECIDE ON THE PROJECT. WE HAVE TILL MAY 22ND. IS THAT THE DATE? 22ND SIX. OKAY. WE HAVE TILL MAY 22ND OR SOMEWHERE BEFORE THAT SO THAT OUR STAFF CAN GET READY TO BRING IN THE NUMBERS. IT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME. IT'S A MONTH. SO IN RESPONSE TO THAT, MY INCLINATION WOULD BE TO STILL STICK WITH THE FIELDS BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING THERE, THERE, TANGIBLE. TANGIBLE. IT'S A REAL PROJECT. IT'S, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THERE'S A PUBLIC INTEREST IN USING AS WELL, THAT IT WOULD BE A SHARED INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT. UM, SO I'M LOOKING AT MAINTAINING SOMETHING WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS. OKAY. CHARLOTTE? I THINK IT'S FINE TO, TO SAY WHAT IT IS WE WANT, KNOWING THAT IT'S GONNA COME BACK IN BLOCKS AND WE CAN PICK ONE FROM COLUMN A AND ONE FROM COLUMN B AND PUT IT TOGETHER AS WELL. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. OH, WE'RE SAYING THIS IS THE PROJECT WE WANT COME BACK AND GIVE US THE NUMBERS. OKAY. I DON'T, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE HAD CONCURRENCE ON EVEN WHAT THE SCOPE WAS. WE DON'T TO SAY THE PROJECT. WE DON'T, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GIVING THEM THE SCOPE FOR THEM TO GO AND BRING US BACK NUMBERS, BUT WE'RE GIVING THEM THE LARGEST SCOPE, WHICH COULD END UP BASED ON . NO, NO, WE'RE GONNA, WE ARE GONNA DECIDE RIGHT NOW WHAT THE SCOPE IS. OKAY. SO ORIGINALLY WITH THIS, UM, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS NEW TO YOU GUYS. UM, YOU ALL PROBABLY NOT, BUT IT'S, IT'S NEW TO ME TO BE WORKING WITH ANOTHER GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND, AND PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER SO QUICKLY. UM, VERY BLESSED AND FORTUNATE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. UM, BUT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PROPOSALS THAT WENT THROUGH IN THIS, IN THIS MEETING WITH THE, UH, TWO OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND, UM, WE WERE ESSENTIALLY JUST PUTTING OUT IDEAS OF WHAT COULD BE. THESE ARE WHAT COULD BE, IF YOU WERE TO ASK ME, YOU CAN ONLY COME UP WITH ONE PROPOSAL AND THIS IS THE BUDGET THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH. OKAY, HERE'S THE RANGE. WHAT I WOULD COME TO YOU WITH IS THAT I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO RENOVATE AND MAINTAIN THE SHARED SPACES OF OUR ATHLETIC FIELDS. THAT WOULD BE MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. MEANING OUR PRACTICE FIELD, OUR SOFTBALL FIELD, OUR BASEBALL FIELD. UM, AND THEN DEPENDING UPON THE SCOPE AND THE, IN THE, AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ALLOCATE THAT, I WOULD ALSO ADD THE FOOTBALL FIELD AND THE TENNIS COURTS. BUT IF IT WAS MORE LIMITED, WHICH I, I'M, I'M NOT, I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN TRY TO SELL YOU ON ALL OF IT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. I'M, I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT I FEEL IS MOST CRITICAL FOR OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD BE THOSE THREE FIELDS, SOFTBALL, FOOTBALL, EXCUSE ME, SOFTBALL, BASEBALL, AND PRACTICE FIELD. I THINK THAT WE CAN, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO, I WOULD [05:30:01] LOVE TO HAVE FOOTBALL IN, IN TENNIS, BUT THEY'RE NOT AS CRITICAL. THEY'VE BEEN MAINTAINED AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL. THERE'S, THERE'S, UM, THE, THE SURFACES ARE DIFFERENT. THE NEED ON THOSE THREE, UH, THOSE THREE FIELDS, UM, ARE MOST SIGNIFICANT. AND IF AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS, IF I COULD, IF, IF I COULD WALK AWAY, UM, IF I, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH, IF, IF I GO BACK TO THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS, IF YOU WERE TO SAY, YEAH, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THOSE THREE FIELDS, BE ECSTATIC. OKAY. BE VERY HAPPY WITH THAT. THESE OTHER PROPOSALS THAT ARE HAVE, HAVE BENEFIT US IN MANY, MANY WAYS. BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE MOST CRITICAL OF ALL OF THEM, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. DON'T NEGOTIATE AGAINST YOURSELF. SO SIT DOWN, , DEREK, TOM, DON'T SIT DOWN YET. ARE THOSE THREE FIELDS ACCESSIBLE ON THEIR OWN? CAN THEY BE SET OFF FROM, HOW DO YOU, I'VE BEEN OVER THERE, BUT HOW DO YOU GET TO THOSE THREE FIELDS? WELL, ANY WAY YOU WANT , TO BE HONEST. BUT, UM, WITH ADDITIONAL FENCING, THE, THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD, UH, ACCESS THOSE FIELDS WOULD BE THROUGH THAT GATE THAT WE SPOKE OF WHERE YOU COME AROUND THE BACKSIDE OF THE SCHOOL, UH, PAST THE TENNIS COURTS, AND THEN YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ALL, ALL THREE OF THOSE FIELDS. OR THERE IS A GATE THAT REMAINS CLOSED AND LOCKED. IT'S NOT AN ELECTRIC GATE. UM, IT, IT'S JUST A LOCKED GATE THAT YOU CAN EITHER WALK THROUGH OR YOU CAN OPEN THAT GATE AND, UM, CARS CAN DRIVE DOWN THROUGH. SO EITHER FROM THE FRONT LOT OR THE BACK LOT. OKAY. AND, AND WHEN IS THAT LOCKED? HOW ARE THE PUBLIC ACCESSING THAT NOW IN THOSE AREAS? WE, WE DO, UM, ALLOW PUBLIC ACCESS AT TIMES. YES. UM, WHEN WE HAVE FULL SECURITY ON THAT WITH FURTHER FENCING. UM, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S ACCESSIBLE IN, IN DIFFERENT WAYS. LIKE THERE'S A RUNNING TRAIL THAT GOES THROUGH THERE AS, AS SOME OF YOU WHO ARE RUNNERS MIGHT KNOW AND YOU JUST HOP, SKIP AND A, A JUMP AWAY FROM, FROM THOSE FIELDS. UM, BUT IT, IT, THE OFFICIAL ENTRY POINTS ARE THE, THOSE TWO ENTRY POINTS. AND AGAIN, THROUGH THAT OFFICIAL ENTRY POINT, IS THAT PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE? BECAUSE FOR ME, THAT'S A, THAT'S A YES. DROP DEAD POINT. YES. THAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE ANY AREAS THAT WE'RE FUNDING. SO THEY, SO I ALSO WANNA BE CAREFUL ON THIS AS WELL. I RE REGARDLESS OF THIS, WE, THE, THE FIRST PRIORITY THAT WE, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN A CLOSED CAMPUS TO THE VERY BEST OF OUR ABILITY WHEN THAT, WHEN SCHOOL IS IN SESSION, WHEN THERE ARE PRACTICE PRACTICES THAT ARE GOING ON. SO WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN STUDENTS ARE OFF CAMPUS AFTER, AFTER PRACTICES AND ON THE WEEKENDS, UM, THAT CAN BE OPENED UP, UH, FOR, UH, FOR USE FROM THE COMMUNITY. YES. OKAY. CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION THEN? LET'S ASK FOR A PACKAGE OF THE THREE LOTS AND THEN SEPARATELY ADD ON FOR THE TENNIS COURTS, WHICH TO ME ARE THE EASY ONE. 'CAUSE YEAH, THE RESIDENTS ARE ALREADY USING 'EM. DON'T, DON'T DISCOUNT THE TENNIS COURTS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY USING THEM. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAINTAIN 'EM ON, ON OUR OWN. RIGHT. DON'T, DIDN'T YOU SAY WE COULD RESURFACE 'EM OURSELVES OR, YES. 'CAUSE WE'VE DONE, WE'VE DID THE SAME WITH POSSE GROUNDS AND SUNSET, SO WE COULD DO THE SAME THING AND GET THOSE DONE. OKAY. I MEAN, THAT SEEMS REALLY EASY TO ME. DON'T, DON'T TURN THAT DOWN. BUT I MEAN THE PROPOSAL TO ME WOULD BE THE THREE LOTS THAT HE'S SAYING ARE THE CRITICAL ONES. THE TENNIS COURT AND THEN THE FOOTBALL FIELD SLASH TRACK. I THINK THE TRACK, SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO RUN ON A TRACK. OH, I SEE THEM ALL THE TIME. YEAH. SO THAT'S THE MOST UTILIZED OF ALL OF OUR ATHLETIC FIELDS. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT AGAIN, DON'T NEGOTIATE AGAINST YOURSELF . SO THOSE ARE, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD TURN THEM LOOSE TO SAY, COME BACK WITH A PACKAGE THAT JUST INCLUDES THOSE AND LEAVE IT AT THAT. AND NOTHING OVER AT WEST. JUST THAT HE'S TELLING US WHAT HIS WISHLIST IS AND THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE THINK WE COULD ADD ON. LET'S TURN 'EM LOOSE TO DO THAT AND, AND, AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT'S COORDINATED WITH JOSH AND KURT. SO I, I I WANT TO CLARIFY THIS. SO WHEN WE COME BACK WITH A PACKAGE FOR THOSE THREE FIELDS, AND I WORKING WITH KURT FOR THOSE NUMBERS, SO THESE ARE GOING TO BE CITY EMPLOYEES WITH CITY NUMBERS AS OPPOSED TO THE THIRD PARTY THAT WE WERE WORKING? NO, NOT NECESSARILY. BECAUSE KURT, AND, AND THIS MAY BE DIFFERENT, HE WAS GONNA BUY TWO EXPENSIVE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, BUT NOW THAT IT'S A MUCH SMALLER PROJECT, PERHAPS HE DOESN'T, BUT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU CONTRACT OUT AND THEY ALREADY HAVE IT, IT'S CHEAPER. SO YOU CAN DO EITHER OR. OKAY. THAT WORKS FOR ME. SO WE'RE NOT VOTING ON [05:35:01] THAT. WE'RE NOT GIVING IT SOME OH YEAH, WE ARE, WE ARE. BUT FOR THAT LIMITED SCOPE. YES. YES. AND COUNCILOR FURMAN HAS HIS HAND UP. YES, PETE. YEAH. THANK YOU. I I KINDA LIKE THE DIRECTION THIS IS SHAPING UP, FOCUSING ON THE THREE FIELDS WE COULD ADD IN THE TENNIS COURT AND THE TRACK. BUT I WILL TELL YOU, THE TRACK IS TRICKIER FOR ME BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LARGE CONTINGENT RUNNERS THAT COME DOWN FROM FLAGSTAFF. SO WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT THAT'S NOT OUR PEOPLE THAT USE THAT. AND THEN TOM, IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME THESE NUMBERS THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT 36,000 ANNUALLY FOR THE FIELDS COMBINED. IS THAT ON TOP OF WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY PAYING? I, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS, WHEN YOU COME BACK, I'D LIKE YOU TO TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY PAYING AND WHETHER THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OR YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE SHARING HERE. BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE SHARED USE BETWEEN YOUR STUDENTS AND THE PUBLIC. AND WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT YOU, YOU PROBABLY CAN'T, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CAN'T COMP UP $36,000 ANNUALLY FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THESE THINGS. BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN, AND WE OUGHT TO THINK THROUGH WHAT A GOOD SHARED COMBINATION LOOKS LIKE. SO I, I WILL SAY THAT AS FAR AS THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, IT'S, IT'S MINIMAL. UM, STACY, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY HOURS A, A A A MONTH THAT OUR, OUR MAINTENANCE STAFF SPENDS MOWING THE LAWNS? 'CAUSE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT, WHAT THEY DO. PROBABLY SO ABOUT 20 HOURS A MONTH. I, I I MEAN THE, THE MAINTENANCE IS VERY MINIMAL. YEAH. SO THAT'S THE OTHER THING. IT'S, IT'S IS, YES. SO THE, THE, THE OTHER PIECE THAT'S TRICKY TO, UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE, AND I'M NO LANDSCAPER, BUT WHEN YOU STAY ON TOP OF THAT, THERE IS LESS NEED TO SPEND AS MUCH TIME WITH THAT. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'RE DOING PREVENTATIVE FIELD MAINTENANCE AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, THEN YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TIMES IN THE YEAR THAT YOU, YOU, YOU AREN'T GONNA REALLY HAVE TO DO MUCH MORE THAN JUST MO. UM, BUT IT, IT, FOR US, IT'S, IT'S TOUCH AND GO WHERE WE DO WHAT WE CAN AND IT FALLS BACK. WE DO WHAT WE CAN AND THEN, AND IT FALLS BACK. WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE US THE ANSWERS TODAY. IT'S WHEN YOU COME BACK AND IF YOU, AND IF IT'S YOU KNOW, VERY SMALL, THEN JUST TELL US THAT. OKAY. BUT ALSO FOR ME, I'M GONNA PRIORITIZE YOU LOOKING AT YOUR CONTRACTOR BECAUSE THIS IS MAINTENANCE TO YOUR STANDARDS. I THINK YOU SHOULD BE IN CONTROL OF THE CONTRACT. I THINK WE CAN HELP WITH THE CONTRACT. I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE IT AT ALL. BE CITY RESOURCES. CITY LABOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S UNIVERSALLY AGREED UPON BY THE REST OF COUNCIL. DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY HAVE ANY FEELINGS ABOUT THAT? Y YEAH, SO, SO FIRST OF ALL, IF WE CAN, IF WE ALREADY KNOW HOW AND CAN TAKE CARE OF THE, THE TENNIS COURTS, WE SHOULD JUST PROBABLY GO AND DO. I CAN'T IMAGINE AN EXTERNAL CONTRACTOR IS GOING TO BE CHEAPER THAN OUR GUYS KNOWING WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO. I MEAN, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY EXPLORE IT. UM, FOR THE OTHER ONE, I, I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF JUST SEEING THE COST DIFFERENCES AND ALSO WHETHER OR NOT THE QUALITY'S THE SAME. JUST 'CAUSE THEY'RE MOWING THE FIELD DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE MAKING SURE THAT GOPHER HOLES ARE FILLED OR YOU KNOW, WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RAIN HAS FALLEN AND NOW WE'VE GOT MUD PUDDLES AND ALL THE THINGS WE EXPERIENCE ON OUR, OUR FIELDS. RIGHT. THEY MIGHT JUST GO AND MOW. RIGHT. SO I, I I THINK THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES HERE AND IT'S NOT SOLELY COST-BASED. SO I MEAN, I, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE BOTH OPTIONS AND IF KURT JOSH CAME BACK AND SAID, YEAH, THE, THE CON CONTRACTORS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, OR WHOEVER WE USE AS CONTRACTORS, THEY'RE GONNA DO A REALLY FINE JOB. WE REALLY DON'T NEED TO GO AND HAVE OUR OWN CREW. GREAT. BUT I, I REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TAKING THE CHEAP ROUTE OUT AND THEN WE OPEN THOSE COURTS TO LITTLE LEAGUE AND SOME KID FALLS IN A GOPHER HOLE AND BREAKS HIS LEG. RIGHT? THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE ON THOSE FIELDS. AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR STANDARDS ARE HIGH. BRIAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK. YOU COULD SHAKE YOUR HEAD YES OR NO. , . I'M FINE WITH THE SCOPE DIRECTION WE'RE GIVING. I'M GIVING, I DON'T SEE WHAT WE'RE OTHERWISE VOTING ON TODAY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE REAL NUMBERS AT THE MOMENT. WE'RE JUST VOTING ON THE SCOPE. BUT PETE WAS ADAMANT THAT HE WANTS THEM TO BE CONTRACTORS THAT THE CITY AT, THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR. AND I'M NOT SURE EVERYBODY AGREES AT THAT POINT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS BRINGING UP. WELL, WELL AFTER SEEING THE PROJECTED COSTS [05:40:01] FOR US TO MAINTAIN THAT, I, I'M VERY INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THIRD PARTY CONTRACTOR CAN DO BY COMPARISON EITHER OR. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. BUT OF COURSE THAT WAS FOR 51 ACRES. IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT PROJECT. YEAH. THE, THE, IF YOU COULD REFINE THE SCOPE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE HERE TODAY AND GIVE US THAT DIRECTION, WE'D BE GLAD TO WORK WITH TOM, THEIR VENDORS AND GO AND WALK THE SITE AND DO THIS PROPERLY. RIGHT NOW IT WAS JUST A MAD RUSH TO COME TO SOME NUMBERS TO GIVE TO YOU. AND SO IF YOU GIVE US THAT DIRECTION AND THAT, THAT DETAILED SCOPE, WE COULD REALLY, UM, GET YOU SOME GOOD SOLID NUMBERS WORKING WITH THE, UM, SCHOOL DISTRICTS, VENDORS WORKING WITH OURS AND SO ON. WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT. MIGHT BE JUST A SITE WALK AND THAT WE HAVE MORE TIME THEN THEY CAN GIVE US BETTER NUMBERS. PART OF THIS TOO IS LOOKING AT THEIR EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE HAVING A REDUCTION OF PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN IT, PERHAPS DOING A ONETIME COST TO IMPROVE THEIR EQUIPMENT. SO WE, WE CAN COME BACK AND GIVE YOU THOSE ASSESSMENTS AND GIVE YOU THE BEST VALUE THAT WE, WE RECOMMEND. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE, BRIAN, I I'D ALSO LIKE TO INCLUDE TO HAVE, WHETHER IT'S JOSH OR SOMEBODY ELSE, UH, ASSESS THE CONDITION OF THE TENNIS COURT SURFACE. IS IT ACTUALLY END OF LIFE AND NEEDS TO BE RECODED OR, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, 'CAUSE WE'RE RUSHING TRYING TO PUT IDEAS TOGETHER AND OKAY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED, BUT DOES IT NEED IT IN FISCAL 27 OR IS IT A FISCAL 28 NEED OR WHATEVER. SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING IT WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. OKAY. SO ARE WE CLEAR? 'CAUSE WE WANNA LEAVE HERE BEING REALLY, REALLY CLEAR. THREE FIELDS, TENNIS COURTS, TRACK AND TRACK AND, UM, FOOTBALL FIELD. SO, SO THE THREE FIELDS ARE PRACTICE BASEBALL, BASEBALL AND BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL. THREE HIGHEST PRIORITIES, AND THEN FOOTBALL AND TRACK AND, AND TENNIS COURTS. FOOTBALL TRACK BEING THE SAME THING. YEAH. WHEN THE SUPERINTENDENT SPOKE BEFORE US IN THAT VERY RUSHED MEETING, WE WERE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LANDSCAPING, ONGOING LANDSCAPING AT THE HIGH SCHOOL IN THE ELEMENTARY. ARE YOU, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. THAT'S OFF THE TABLE. GO. I KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO. . OKAY, SO, SO THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT WE JUST DESCRIBED. OKAY. IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? YEAH, PETE. YEP. OKAY. AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE ATTENTION TO DETAIL OF WHAT THAT ONE TIME EXPENDITURE WOULD BE VERSUS OPERATIONAL COSTS. AND THEN WE WILL REALLY DEF DEFINE WHERE THAT, UM, DIVISION OF LABOR IS GONNA BE TO BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. CORRECT. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE DONE. THANK YOU. THE GROUND EQUIPMENT, GIVING IT BACK TO YOU, BARBARA. OKAY. UM, WE VOTED ON THAT. YOU DID THAT BEFORE WE WENT TO LUNCH? YEAH. MM-HMM . THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO DISCUSS THE USE OF THE SURPLUS FROM FISCAL YEAR 25. UM, DO OUR GUESTS KNOW THAT WE'RE DONE WITH? I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE FREE IF YOU WE'RE DONE WITH THAT PART. IF YOU WANT TO CUT LOOSE . OKAY. SO AS WE TALKED ABOUT, YEAH, YEAH, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, WE HAVE ABOUT 5.5 MILLION IN AUDITED SURPLUS. UM, THERE ARE OPTIONS PER POLICY, WHICH IS ELIMINATING SHORTFALLS, REDUC REDUCTION OR AVOIDANCE OF DEBT. WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF ADDRESSED THAT. UM, ONE TIME CAPITAL NEEDS OR TAX FEE RATE STABILIZATION, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE ALREADY RATE STABILIZING THE, UH, WASTEWATER FUNDS. I'M NOT SURE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT IMPORTANT. WE HAVEN'T SPENT ANY OF IT SO FAR. WE HAVE NOT , I KNOW A SRS, THE, UH, CONTRIBUTION PREPAYMENT PROGRAM WAS SOMETHING YOU DID WANNA DISCUSS WITH US. CAN YOU, UH, JUST REFRESH US THE NUMBERS ON THAT OR TELL US WHERE IT'LL OUR, UM, IS THERE, THERE WAS A SLIDE ON THAT I THINK YOU HAVE RIGHT? NOT ON A SRS NOT IN THIS PRESENTATION. UM, BUT THE A SRS, UM, NET PENSION LIABILITY, OUR PROPORTIONAL SHARE IS ABOUT $11 MILLION. BUT IT IS NOT, IT IS [05:45:01] NOT THE SAME KIND OF SHARE LIKE IN THE P-S-P-R-S WHERE WE CAN DIRECTLY PAY THAT DOWN AND HAVE OUR LIABILITY GO DOWN. BECAUSE IT'S A MULTI-EMPLOYER COST SHARING PLAN, THE COSTS ARE SHARED ALL ACROSS. SO IT WOULDN'T LIKE REDUCE THE RATES THAT WE PAY AS AN EMPLOYER OR AS EMPLOYEES, BUT IT WOULD UM, PROVIDE US, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY TALK ABOUT IS SORT OF FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE. THAT IF WE WERE IN A PLACE WHERE WE WANTED TO SAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET, WE COULD THEN FOREGO OUR CONTRIBUTIONS FOR A YEAR OR TWO YEARS, YOU KNOW, TO AND USE THOSE FUNDS. AND THEY ALSO DO HAVE, UM, REALLY GOOD, UH, RATES OF RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENTS BECAUSE OF THEIR ECONOMIES OF SCALE AND THE TYPES OF INVESTMENTS THAT THEY CAN DO. LIKE WE DON'T GO OUT PAST FIVE YEARS. YEAH. THEY CAN INVEST IN THINGS OVER THE 10, 20, 30 YEAR TIME HORIZON, WHICH IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT, WHOLE DIFFERENT MODEL AND THEY CAN TAKE ON THAT RISK BECAUSE THEY'RE SO LARGE. SO IT IS, YOU KNOW, WE, I KNOW THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN FURMAN HAD ASKED ABOUT A ONE 15 TRUST. I ALWAYS GET THOSE NUMBERS MIXED UP, BUT I THINK THAT'S RIGHT WHERE WE WOULD CREATE OUR OWN TRUST TOWARDS THAT LIABILITY, WHICH WE COULD DO. BUT WE WOULD PAY FEES TO THAT AND THAT WOULD BE GOVERNED BY OUR ABILITY TO INVEST, WHICH THEN WOULD KEEP THOSE RATES A BIT LOWER THAN WE COULD GET WITH A SRS IF WE CHOOSE TO PRE-FUND OUR CONTRIBUTIONS. YOU CONFUSED ME A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. SO THIS WOULD BE AN ACCOUNT HELD IN THE NAME OF THE CITY OF SEDONA? YES. OKAY. AND IT, YOU SAID, I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT WE COULD NOT USE, WE COULDN'T PUT 11 MILLION IN THERE AND BE DONE. RIGHT. OKAY. BUT HOW DOES THAT MONEY GET FROM OUR ACCOUNT INTO OUR ACCOUNT? , I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? FROM THIS SEPARATE ACCOUNT INTO THE GENERAL ACCOUNT AGAINST OUR LIABILITY, IT DOESN'T REALLY, IT DOESN'T ACT AS AN OFFSET TO OUR LIABILITY ON THEIR BOOKS. IT WOULD SHOW FOR US AS LIKE A CONTRIBUTION PREPAYMENT AND AN ASSET. SO WHEN LIKE MOODY'S OR FITCH OR S AND P WAS TO LOOK AT OUR FINANCIALS, THEY WOULD SEE THAT WE'RE USING THAT PROGRAM AND THEY WOULD NET IT AND SAY, OH THIS, THIS KIND OF PLAYS AGAINST THAT PROPORTIONATE LIABILITY BECAUSE THEY OF COURSE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT KIND OF COST SHARING PLAN, WE CAN'T DO LIKE WE DID WITH P-S-P-R-S AND MAKE SURE OUR LIABILITY IS FUNDED. BUT WE CAN TAKE THIS KIND OF STEP AND SAY WE'RE BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FUTURE. AND WE'RE AWARE THAT THE FUND AS A WHOLE A SRS IS TRYING TO REACH, YOU KNOW, FULLY FUNDED AND WHILE, AND THE 12% THAT WE CONTRIBUTE AS EMPLOYEES AND AND EMPLOYERS IS WILL, WILL GET US THERE OVER TIME, BUT WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT. BUT WHAT WE CAN CONTROL IS THERE. OKAY. LEMME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION. IF WE WERE TO FOREGO A PAYMENT MM-HMM . IN A PARTICULAR YEAR, WOULD THEY TAKE IT OUT OF THIS? YES. OKAY. SO THAT'S HOW IT WOULD MOVE. EXACTLY. IT'S A SAVINGS ACCOUNT FOR US AS I UNDERSTAND IT. WITH GOOD RATES. YES. WITH VERY, WITH VERY GOOD RATES. AND THE RECOMMENDATION FROM OMAR PAKISTANI WHO WAS HERE, THE ACTUARY, UM, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO DO THIS? HE DOESN'T RECOMMEND DOING LIKE BIG LUMP SUM CONTRIBUTIONS BECAUSE OF THE MARKET RATE SENSITIVITY. WHEN YOU DO ONE BIG LUMP SUM, IF THERE'S A MARKET HIT IMMEDIATELY THE VALUE OF YOUR INVESTMENT THEN DROPS. BUT IF YOU DO IT IN SMALLER PIECES AND BY SMALLER HE MEANS LIKE A MILLION OR 2 MILLION, RIGHT. UM, OVER TIME, THEN YOU'RE MITIGATING AGAINST THAT MARKET RISK. OKAY. SO LIKE DOLLAR COST AVERAGING? YES. YEAH. SO WHAT WOULD YOUR RECOMMENDATION BE OUT OF THIS 5.5 MILLION? UH, I DON'T THINK IT IS URGENT THAT WE DO THIS, BUT I DO THINK IT IS A REALLY GOOD PROGRAM THAT DOES EARN US MORE AND PUTS US IN A KIND OF STABLE POSITION MOVING FORWARD. SO I COULD SUPPORT ANY AMOUNT THAT COUNCIL WOULD, WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH. UM, YEAH, I JUST, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION THAT I WOULD SAY. I THINK OVER TIME FUNDING, FUNDING [05:50:01] IT TO THE FULL EXTENT OF OUR PROPORTIONAL LIABILITY WOULD BE GREAT. BUT I THINK LIKE, LIKE YOU ALL SAID, AND WE CHANGED THE POLICY TO MATCH WITHIN SEVEN YEARS, I THINK IS WHERE WE LANDED IS A REALLY GOOD METRIC BECAUSE IT KEEPS US FROM LIKE, IT'S JUST DIFFERENT THAN P-S-P-R-S WHERE THAT WE COULD PUT $4 MILLION IN AND LITERALLY SEE THAT LIABILITY ON OUR SIDE DROP. SO THAT WAS LIKE AN IMMEDIATE, LIKE WE ARE SEEING A CHANGE IN THE RATES WE HAVE TO PAY IN ALL, ALL THOSE THINGS. WHEREAS THIS IS, IS MUCH LESS TIME SENSITIVE, IF YOU WILL. UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT RIGHT NOW RATES ARE PRETTY HIGH AND OUR NEW UM, FED CHAIR, ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, HAVE THEY BEEN CONFIRMED OR NO? NOT YET. I DON'T THINK HE'S BEEN CONFIRMED YET, BUT, BUT ASSUMING THE CANDIDATE YEAH. CONFIRMATION, UM, IS, HAS SAID THAT HE IS FAIRLY LIKELY TO REDUCE RATES. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. SO IT WAS TWO PETE GO AHEAD. HEY, BARBARA WOULDN'T SEND OUR POLICY SEVEN YEAR POLICY, $11 MILLION KIND OF SUGGEST A MILLION AND A HALF. IT IT WOULD, IT WOULD. AND I MEAN YOU COULD DO IT AS THAT WHERE WE DO A MILLION AND A HALF A YEAR OVER SEVEN YEARS OR WE COULD CHOOSE TO DO MORE NOW, LESS LATER. IT REALLY IS A MATTER OF LIKE WHAT IS COUNCIL'S APPETITE FOR STARTING THIS PROGRAM IN FISCAL YEAR 27 OR DO WE WANT TO USE SOME CONTINGENCY FROM FISCAL 26 TO DO THAT. BRIAN? SO MY 2 CENTS ON HOW TO USE FIVE AND A HALF MILLION, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE 3.6 MILLION RISK OR QUESTION MARK ON GRANT FUNDING FOR THE RANGER BREWER ROUNDABOUT. AND UH, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT PUTTING 3.6 INTO OUR, UM, CAPITAL RESERVE, UM, CAPITAL PROJECT RESERVE AND THE REST GO TO THE UH, CPP FOR A SRS. SO THAT WOULD BE ROUGHLY CLOSE TO 1.9, SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO GO WITH A 3.6 TO CAPITAL RESERVE. SO I WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS 3.6 BECAUSE WE HAVE 1.7 SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE'RE IS THE MATCH FOR THE, AND WE'VE BUDGETED THAT, THAT WE'VE BUDGETED, BUT THE PROJECT IS $9 MILLION. SO YOU'RE JUST SAYING TO PUT, TO GIVE SOME AMOUNT TO A SRS AND PUT THE REST OF IT IN THERE TO, TO THE CAPITAL RESERVE. YEAH. 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF CIP PROJECTS COMING UP. OKAY. I LIKE THAT. IT'S SIMPLE. KATHY, I JUST WANNA RAISE, UM, WASTEWATER FUND ABOUT SHOULD WE THINK ABOUT PUTTING ANYTHING IN THERE? WE KNOW THAT THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE LARGE EXPENSES COMING. SO IS THERE, DO WE WANNA PUT THAT ON THE TABLE? TO ME IT'S A WASH EITHER WAY. RIGHT? IT'S, THAT'S BECAUSE I'M THINK IT WAS, IT'S MORE CAPITAL ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I I I DON'T HAVE A DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT. YEAH. 'CAUSE I'M THINKING THE WASTEWATER ENTERPRISE FUND, THE OPERATING RESERVE, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE OPERATING RESERVE WHERE WE HAVE THE ISSUES. TELL ME WHICH ONE IT IS. I THINK THE, UH, THE CAPITAL RESERVE IS, IS WHERE IF YOU WANTED TO IMPACT EITHER LIKE IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT FOR THE ROUNDABOUT OR WASTEWATER. WASTEWATER, OKAY. UM, IN, IN THAT CASE IT, BECAUSE IT'S THE GENERAL FUND CAPITAL RESERVE AND THE GENERAL FUND PRETTY MUCH FUNDS ALL THE CAPITAL THAT WE FUND IN CASH. SO THAT MIGHT BE YOUR, YOUR BEST ROUTE TO KEEP IT FLEXIBLE BETWEEN THOSE TWO PLACES. SO GENERICALLY INTO THE CAPITAL RESERVES. OKAY. PETE, YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? NO, I, I'M KIND OF FLEXIBLE ON THIS APPROACH. WHATEVER WAY WE CHOOSE. ANYONE ELSE WANNA COMMENT? SO THE ON THE TABLE IS 1.9 MILLION FOR A SRS WITH THE REMAINDER IN THE CAPITAL RESERVES GENERAL FUND, CAPITAL RESERVES. OKAY. SO THAT SOUNDS GOOD. ARE WE, DO YOU WANNA TAKE A VOTE? OKAY, YEAH, LET'S TAKE A VOTE. OKAY, WE GOT SEVEN THUMBS UP. OKAY. SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. AND I I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE 24 SURPLUS ALLOCATED TO CAPITAL RESERVES THAT'S STAYING IN THAT, THAT THE, WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTION. IT'S REMAINS IN THERE, RIGHT? IT JUST REMAINS IN THERE UNTIL IT'S SPENT ON SOMETHING. THIS IS OUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS AND THAT IS ACTUALLY ALL THAT WE HAVE. 'CAUSE THIS SECOND [05:55:01] TO LAST SLIDE IS THE DEBT OBLIGATIONS THAT WE ALREADY DISCUSSED. UM, YOU HAD ASKED FOR THE PRIORITIZATION OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND YOU ALL HAVE THAT I BELIEVE PRONOUNCED. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS THAT NOW 'CAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS ALL OF THE AGENDA, BUT IT'S OPEN FOR YOU TO DO WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO. WELL I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STERLING TO DO HIS MATH AGAIN. SO OUR 94 MILLION 8 3 3 9 3 6 NUMBER NOW IS NOW WHAT? BECAUSE WE, YEAH, SO THIS WILL BE EXCLUDING, UH, DECISION PACKAGE 93, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PARK AND LANDSCAPING. SO THAT WILL ADD EXACTLY 26, BUT AS OF TODAY, THAT WILL BE PREPARED AND ROLLED UP FOR THE 26 IS $95,983,959. THAT REPRESENTS A 0.5 OR A HALF PERCENT INCREASE FROM FFY 26 OPERATIONS AND COUNSELOR FOLTZ, UH, USING YOUR EBITDA MODEL. IT'S A 4.2% INCREASE FROM FY 26 AND IF, AND THEY VOTED TO GO AHEAD WITH THIS. SO THAT WOULD INCREASE THE BUDGET BY THAT AMOUNT. WELL THIS IS, UH, UTIL UM, OH, IF WE ADD THE, THE, YEAH, BECAUSE IF WE, IF WE ALLOCATE THESE FUNDS FROM THE, FROM THE RESERVES, WE HAVE TO ADD THEM TO THE ADOPTED BUDGET. YEAH, YEAH. SO STERLING'S ADDING THAT NOW THAT WAS 9 5 9 8 2. CORRECT. 9 5 9 8 2 9 6 9. SO WITH THE, WITH THE ADDITION OF THE PAYMENT TOWARDS, OR THE CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THE A SRS POLICY AT THIS 0.9, MAKE SURE THIS FEEDS IN RIGHT. DOESN'T SOUND, BUT THAT CONTRIBUTION IS FROM 25, NOT FROM 26. IT WE ARE ALLOCATING A PART OF OUR FUND BALANCE THAT IS THE SURPLUS. SO WE HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT, THAT 1.9 IN THE OKAY. IN THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. OKAY. GOT IT. YEAH. SO WITH THAT 1.9 CONTRIBUTION PAID OUT OF FR 27, THE TOTAL BUDGET WITH CIP AND DECISION PACKAGES, EXCLUDING THE DECISION PACKAGE 93, IT'S 97,929,000 282 9 7 9 2 9 2 8 2. CORRECT. THAT INCLUDES THE, UH, COMMUNITY, THE CONTRACTS FOR THE COMMUNITY PROVIDERS. CORRECT. AND WHERE WE ENDED ON THIS, UM, WAS HOW MANY POSITIONS DID WE GIVE A THUMBS UP TO? YEAH, SO THAT'S AN INCREASE OF FOUR FOUR FTES FROM FFY 20 F FOUR FTES IN A YEAR WHERE WE HAD GIVEN ORIGINAL DIRECTION FOR NO FTES. . OKAY. OKAY. BUT ARE THOSE, IS THAT ACTUALLY FOR TRUE FTES? 'CAUSE LIKE THE CLERK IS 0.2? YEAH, THERE'S ONE THAT'S 0.2 AND THERE'S ONE THAT'S 0.75. SO THAT'S THE 0.95. THEN YOU HAVE ONE FOR UH, THE TECH SUPPORT. THE TECH SUPPORT. SO ESSENTIALLY TWO AND THEN THE TWO MORE FOR THE, THE SCHOOL AFTER SCHOOL CAMP PROGRAMS. ONE FOR JUDGE AND ONE FOR FACILITIES. SO 3.95 IF WE WANNA GET LIKE SUPER TECHNICAL BUT FOUR. AND THEN JUST COMPARING FROM THE FY 26 TOTAL BUDGET OF 103.3 MILLION, THIS IS A 5% DECREASE OR A 5.4 MILLION DECREASE. UH, I HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT ABOUT THE BIKE PARK POSITION? WAS THAT INCLUDE? YEAH, THAT WAS THE 0.757. GREAT, THANKS. AND THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE A PLACEHOLDER FOR WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S GONNA COME BACK WITH. THAT'S RIGHT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO LOOK AT CIP FURTHER OR ARE WE JUST HAVE TO ASK THIS QUESTION ANDY, KURT, WHERE ARE THE SHADE STRUCTURES FOR THE VARIOUS SUVS AND PARKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? WHERE ARE THEY IN HERE? SO, UM, MOVING FORWARD WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO TRY TO INCORPORATE THOSE AMENITIES [06:00:01] INTO THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN DESIGN OR WILL BE IN DESIGN. UM, AND THEN BEYOND THAT, THERE IS A, A PROJECT INCLUDED THAT RETROFITS SUVS THAT WE'VE ALREADY BUILT. IT'S A ONE OF THE SIM 11, IT'S SIM 11, THE MIDDLE OF THE SECOND PAGE, THE PRIORITY TWOS, IT'S SIM DASH 1111. IT SAYS SUP AMENITIES. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. THAT'S IT. YEP. GHOST STERLING. I COULDN'T HAVE FOUND IT. DOES COUNSEL WANNA CHANGE THAT PRIORITY? SORRY, WHICH ONE THERE? NO, IT'S WHICH ONE, WHERE IS IT? IT'S SIM 1111 AND IT'S PRIORITY TWO. IT'S A PRIORITY TWO, SIM 11. IT'S BASICALLY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. IT'S AMENITIES ESSENTIALLY IN THE MIDDLE 11 ON THE SECOND PAGE ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN. I THINK THE REASON THE SCORING RESULTED IN THE PRIORITY TWO IS BECAUSE THERE'S NO OUTSIDE FUNDING. SO IT HAS A LOW SCORE FOR THAT. SO THE PROJECTS WITH GRANTS AND OUTSIDE LEVERAGE GET A BOOST. I SEE. MAY, I'M INTERESTED IN MOVING THIS UP. THE PRIORITY LIST. YEAH. IF WE'RE, AGAIN, IF WE'RE FOCUSING ON COMMUNITY AS A FIRST PRIORITY, THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS FALLS INTO THAT CATEGORY. AND I WOULD ALSO SAY ON P THREE, THE SMALL DOG AREA UPGRADES, SHOULD THAT ALSO BE LOOKED AT WITH THE LENS OF COMMUNITY AND SAY THAT STARTING THOSE, THOSE FIXES TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR SMALL DOGS TO BE THERE AND NOT GET INJURED. 'CAUSE I THINK THE FIRST ONE, LOOKING AT JOSH, I THINK THE FIRST PHASE WAS SAFETY. IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. IT'S SO WHEN YOU WALK IN THE DOG PARK, THERE'S THE MAIN DOG PARK AREA. AND THEN IF YOU GO STRAIGHT AHEAD, IT'S KINDA THE SMALL DOG AREA. THAT SMALL DOG AREA, IT'S SAFETY, BUT IT'S MORE FOR THE DOGS. IT'S JUST ROUGH TERRAIN IN THAT AREA AND OVERGROWN. SO IT WAS, WE ALREADY TRIM BACK A LOT OF THE OVERGROWTH, BUT PUTTING IN SOME SAND THAT'S MORE SUITABLE FOR THE SMALL DOGS AND THE SMALL DOG PAWS. SO IT'S SOME OF THE SANDY SURFACE AND EVENTUALLY SOME TURF AND MAKING THAT AREA BETTER. SO YES, SAFETY IS A LOOSE POINT, BUT YES. AND TO, TO BE CLEAR, ALL OF THESE THAT ARE IN 27, WHETHER THEY'RE PRIORITY ONE OR TWO OR THREE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET. YEAH, I KNOW THAT. I KNOW THEY'RE IN THE BUDGET. IT'S ABOUT FOCUS. THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT. IT'S ABOUT, IF I HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, JOSH'S WORK BETWEEN A OR B AND YOU KNOW, THIS ONE OR HE NEEDS WORK FROM PUBLIC WORKS FOR THIS AND PUBLIC WORKS ALSO NEEDS TO WORK ON SOMETHING THAT'S A P TWO, THIS SHOULD COME BEFORE THAT. EXACTLY RIGHT. I THINK, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS JUST WE KNOW THEY'RE ALL IN THE BUDGET. WE'RE JUST SHIFTING WHETHER OR NOT CONSIDERATION FROM THE TEAMS WHO HAVE TO WORK ON IT SHOULD FOCUS ON IT AT A HIGHER LEVEL. YEP. CORRECT. AND I'D ALSO PUT THE CONCESSION STANDS RESTROOMS AT, 'CAUSE I NEVER WANNA SEE IT AGAIN. WHERE, WHERE IS IT ON THE LIST? WHERE IS IT? IT'S RIGHT ABOVE THE, UH, COUPLE OF, UH, OH'S P TWO SUP AMENITIES. YOU SEE IT? YEAH, IT'S P TWO. NO, RESTROOMS HAVE GOT TO GO TO P ONE. PR 1 0 1. SO SECOND PAGE. ARE YOU, IS IT ON THIS SUBJECT? YEAH. OKAY. UM, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, WHERE'S THE UM, BOW STRING PARK AND RIDE AND THE RESTROOM ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? WHERE IS THAT? IT'S A, IT'S A PT. UM, LET'S SEE, ZERO FOUR B. IT IS OH FOUR B. YEAH. WHERE IS IT ON THIS THOUGH? IS IT A ONE? OH YEAH, IT'S ON THE FIRST PAGE. IT'S PRIORITY ONE. PRIORITY ONE. OKAY. SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ABOUT UM, THE DOG PARK, THE SMALL DOG AREA UPGRADES. SINCE THEY'RE A PRIORITY THREE ON THIS LIST, ARE WE MOVING UP TO PRIORITY TWO OR TWO? PRIORITY ONE? BECAUSE THE OTHER ONES WERE PRIORITY TWO, SO THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO BUT PRIORITY ONE, BUT THIS ONE, UH, LIKE CLARITY ON THAT. I'M TRYING TO FIND THOSE WAS YOUR SUGGESTIONS. SO I'M ASKING YOU, I MEAN PERSONALLY IT, IF COMMUNITY IS OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY AND WE LOOK AT THINGS FROM THE LENS OF COMMUNITY, THIS IS SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND LITERALLY FOR THE COMMUNITY. UM, WITH, WITH VERY LITTLE OVERLAP [06:05:01] INTO UM, OUR VISITORS. SO OUR VISITORS DO USE THE DOG PARK AS WELL. I JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN GET IT INTO A PRY ONE AND A NO, NOT EVERYTHING CAN GO INTO PRY ONE, BUT IF WE COULD THEN THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE I WOULD MOVE IT. SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE PRIORITY THREE ARE ALSO COMMUNITY, LIKE CITY ART, COMMUNITY PROJECTS AND UH, UM, SHARED USE PATHS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO YEAH, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF SHARED USE THAT ARE I KNOW, YES. THAT ARE UP IN THE FRONT TOO. AND, AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE HAVE A LIMITED STAFF THAT CAN DO THE SUVS, SO, UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA DO IT NOW THAT SANDY'S GONE , I DON'T KNOW. IT'LL BE DISTRIBUTED. SO WE'VE GOT A FEW, A FEW STAFF THAT'LL BE PICKING UP THE PIECES THERE ON THAT. BUT THAT, THAT WILL BE ONE REASON WHY THAT'LL BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A PERSON THAT'S ALSO FOCUSED ON THAT AREA. IT REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SANDY, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORK SHOULDN'T BE THE DIRECT PERSON FOR THAT PROGRAM, SO, SO ANDY, WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON DOG PARK? SMALL DOG AREA UPGRADES, IF WE WANTED TO MOVE THAT UP. PRIORITY TWO OR PRIORITY ONE? WELL, I WAS TRYING TO FIND A CORRELATION BETWEEN THE CRITERIA HERE FOR THE SCORING. IF THERE'S A WAY TO FIT WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO GO WITH THAT SO THAT WE CAN CREATE CONSISTENCY ON SOME OF THESE THINGS. THE ONLY THING WE WERE TALKING, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD REALLY BE MEANINGFUL IN THAT WAY WOULD BE IF WE WERE ABLE TO BRING IN THE OUTSIDE FUNDING SOMEHOW. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S REALLY REALISTIC. UM, WHAT'S, WHAT'S REALISTIC? SO AS FAR AS THE SCORING GOES, IF WE WANTED TO FIND A WAY TO BE ABLE TO BUMP THAT SCORING UP TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE IN PRIORITY TO MATCH WHERE COUNSEL FEELS LIKE IT SHOULD BE, THE ONLY WAY TO ADJUST THOSE SCORES LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE FROM OUTSIDE FUNDING. HOW DO YOU DEFINE CORE PRIORITY? WE CAN OVERRIDE ADJUST THE SCORE. YEAH. WE ARE OVERRIDING IT BASICALLY. THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT. I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY YOU'RE TALKING MATRIX WE'RE TALKING YEAH. POLICY. YEAH. RIGHT, RIGHT. WE SAID OUR POLICY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COMMUNITY IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR US. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, JOSH, IS IT YOUR TEAM THAT'S DOING THE DOG PARK OR IS IT THE PUBLIC WORKS TEAM? BECAUSE THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY STAFF HAVE A HUGE TO-DO LIST ON THE PRIORITY ONES. SO TO ME THAT WOULD MAKE IT BE IMPORTANT INFORMATION. LIKE WHICH EMPLOYEE GROUP IS YEAH, IT WOULD BE THE PARK MAINTENANCE CREW OR ONE OF THEIR SUB A SUBCONTRACTOR THEM. SO IT BE THROUGH YOU AND NOT THROUGH RYAN'S GROUP. YEAH, THROUGH RYAN'S GROUP. THROUGH RYAN'S GROUP, WHICH IS ALSO ASSIGNED ALL THIS OTHER STUFF ON THE NUMBER ONES. SO WHAT, WHAT CREW DOES THE, UH, RESTROOMS, THAT'S FACILITIES. THE SAME GROUP, SAME CREW, YEAH. THE DESIGN AND OF, OF BATHROOMS. THAT'S OUR PUBLIC WORKS CONSTRUCTION THROUGH OUR PROJECT MANAGEMENT GROUP WITH FACILITIES WHO WOULD BE OVERSEEING CONSTRUCTION AND INPUT AND PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION DESIGN. I, I MEAN I'M WITH, I'M WITH THE MAYOR. I MEAN I WOULD, I WOULD PUT THE DOG PARK LOWER IF WE CAN GET THE CONCESSION AND RESTROOMS UP THERE. LIKE WITH THE ONES WE'VE GOT NOW, IT'S PROBABLY ONE OVER AT RANGER ACCORDING TO THIS. BUT POSSE'S REALLY WELL USED. AND I DUNNO ABOUT THE CONCESSIONS. MAYBE JOSH IS PLANNING ON MAKING SOME MONEY THERE, BUT UM, FOR SURE THE RESTROOMS REALLY NEED WORK. YES, ABSOLUTELY. MY ONLY THING WITH THE DOG PARK IS IT IS AS WE SPLIT IT OUT WITH 50,000, 50,000, 50,000, LIKE IT WILL BE SMALL INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS. THEY WILL ALL GO LONG WAYS AND MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE, BUT IT'S NOT, I DON'T WANT TO SET THE EXPECTATION THAT YEAR ONE YOU'RE GONNA WALK IN AND SEE A HUGE CHANGE IN THE DOG PARK BECAUSE IT'S PRIORITY ONE WITH THE 50,000, A LOT OF THAT WILL JUST BE FIXING SOME IRRIGATION AND DRAINAGE SO IT'S NOT SO MUDDY IN THERE AND CLEARING A LITTLE BIT OUT AND SOME OF THAT. YEAH, NO, I READ THE, I READ THE FACT THAT YOU HAD IT IN THREE PHASES. SO, AND I, AND I WOULD TAKE THE RESTROOMS GOING UP TO P ONE OVER THE DOG PARK ANY TIME. SO PRIORITY TWO FOR DOG PARK THEN? YEAH. OKAY. AND I, THE CONCESSION STAND RIGHT NOW IS P TWO WITH THE RESTROOMS. IF WE COULD GET THAT UP INTO P ONE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE THE PARKS ARE TOO FAR APART FOR THERE TO BE ANY SYNERGY BETWEEN THEM, BUT, SO I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION IF I MAY. YEAH, THANK YOU. SO WITH ALL OF THESE PRIORITY ONES, WHICH IS IN A VERY BIG LIST, UM, WELL IT'S SMALLER THAN THE PRIORITY TWO [06:10:01] LIST, BUT UH, IT'S A BIG LIST AND THEY'RE BIG PROJECTS. WHAT IS THE CHANCE THAT ANY PRIORITY TWO WOULD BE DONE? ? WELL, SOME OF, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO A PRIORITY ONE, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK FOR ANOTHER PRIORITY ONE TO DO IN ITS PLACE. RIGHT, RIGHT. I, THE OTHER THING THAT'S GOING ON HERE, KURT KIND OF ALLUDED TO IT A LITTLE BIT, IS YOU'VE GOT, UH, DESIGN PROJECTS, YOU'VE GOT CONSTRUCTION, AND THEN I WOULD EVEN KIND OF CONSIDER A SEPARATE CATEGORY OF IN-HOUSE PROJECTS OPERATIONS. SO CONSTRUCTION HAS TO GO THROUGH A LONGER PROCESS, YOU KNOW, TO GET COMPLETED DESIGN WHEN IT COMES TO THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES A PROJECT MANAGER TO KEEP THAT MOVING. IT'S A LOT LESS THAN A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. SO THOSE KIND OF THINGS COME INTO PLAY TOO. WHEN YOU CONSIDER, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, A A ONE OF OUR TYPICAL PROJECT MANAGERS COULD MANAGE TWO TO THREE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS A YEAR, BUT THEN YOU COULD HAVE A ADDITIONAL DESIGN PROJECT ON TOP OF THAT. YOU COULD NOT HAVE A FOURTH TYPICALLY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SO TIME INTENSIVE. SO THE AMOUNT OF LABOR HOURS THAT GO INTO WHAT IT TAKES TO MANAGE THE PROJECT ARE ALSO CONSIDERED HERE. AND THAT'S ALL MIXED IN THESE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, SECTIONS OF PRIORITY. SOME ARE DESIGNED, SOME ARE CONSTRUCTION. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT COULD MOVE FORWARD, A LOT OF TIMES PROJECTS WILL GET HELD UP IN DESIGN WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO ACQUIRE EASEMENTS OR SOMETHING BECOMES VERY SENSITIVE AND CAUSES US TO HAVE TO GO A DIFFERENT ROUTE ON THE DESIGN. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS THAT GO INTO WHETHER OR NOT A PROJECT CAN MOVE FORWARD OR NOT. AS AN EXAMPLE, THE RESTROOMS, WE WOULD ALREADY BE BUILDING THAT RIGHT NOW. IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE FACT THAT, UH, WE HAD THE UNFORTUNATE EXPERIENCE OF HAVING A DESIGN GET BID OUT AND COME IN WAY OVER BUDGET AND HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, , AND GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS REALLY SET, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL PROJECTS BACK BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE THEM ALL CONSISTENT AND THAT SORT OF THING, AND REFINE, TAKE OUT INEFFICIENCIES, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, SO I'M SORRY I'M NOT GIVING YOU A CLEAR ANSWER. IT'S JUST A LOT GOES INTO HOW THESE CAN MOVE FORWARD. SURE. AND I, I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK WE ALL CAN APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I WANT THOSE RESTROOMS DONE. . MM-HMM . WELL, AND IT MIGHT HELP TO SAY THAT WE'RE IN A MUCH BETTER PLACE TODAY. I THINK JOHN COULD SPEAK TO THIS, UM, BECAUSE WE'VE GONE THROUGH REFINEMENT OF DESIGN AND MADE SOME OF THESE DESIGNS CONSISTENT AND THAT SORT OF THING. WE'RE NOW AT A PLACE WHERE WE CAN GET THESE BID OUT AND START MOVING FORWARD. SO WE'RE IN A MUCH BETTER PLACE NOW. , KATHY. OKAY. ONE MORE. THE, UM, VERY, VERY LAST THING ON THE LIST WITH THE LOWEST TOTAL SCORE OF SIX IS THE UPTOWN ENHANCEMENTS. AND I JUST WANNA KNOW HOW THAT TIES INTO THE DECISION PACKET THAT WE DID THAT HAD CONSULTING AND MONEY FOR, UH, IF THERE WERE THINGS THAT COULD THEN BE KNOCKED OFF EASILY. YOU KNOW, THE TONY WAS TALKING ABOUT, REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION? HOW, HOW, WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP OF THOSE THINGS TO THIS ITEM? WELL, CURRENTLY THIS IS BASED ON THE OLD IDEAS OF THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF, UH, EXCESS PARKING REVENUE. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK MOVING FORWARD, THESE WILL BE HAND IN HAND. THEY WILL BE DIRECTLY TIED TO, TO EACH OTHER BECAUSE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A SMALL, UH, A SMALLER ITEM. WHAT WAS IT, A HUNDRED THOUSANDS IN MY MIND, OR WAS IT IT WAS LESS THAN THAT. 'CAUSE THAT INCLUDED I THINK 50. IT WAS, YEAH. 50 OR SOMETHING. SO, AND THIS IS A $600,000 ITEM, SO I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THEY TIE IT IN TOGETHER. WELL, I, I THINK MOVING FORWARD WHAT WE WILL LIKELY DO IS, IS THIS PROJECT WILL PROBABLY GO AWAY AND IT'LL BE REPLACED BY WHAT IS, IT COMES OUT OF THE CFA. OKAY. UM, THIS, THIS INCLUDED, YOU KNOW, NEW WALKING PATHS, UM, BEAUTIFICATION THE UPGRADE IN RESTROOMS AT THE, UH, WE CALL IT LOT FIVE, BUT THE, THE, UH, MUNICIPAL LOT ON SCH DRIVE, UM, AT THE OLD, UH, SEDONA, SHE ELEY HOME THERE. UM, THINGS LIKE THAT WERE INCLUDED AND, UH, IT REALLY SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO WHAT TONY'S DOING WITH THE CFA. OKAY. THANK [06:15:01] YOU. OKAY, SO WE'VE MOVED THE CONCESSION STANDS AND THE SHARED USE PATH AMENITIES. YES. SHARED USE PATH AMENITIES FROM, FROM PRIORITY TWO TO PRIORITY ONE. AND WE'VE MOVED THE DOG PARK FROM PRIORITY THREE TO PRIORITY TWO. CORRECT. ANYTHING ELSE, BARBARA? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. UM, WE'VE COVERED ALL THE TOPICS WE INTENDED AND IF Y'ALL ARE GOOD WITH THIS GOING FORWARD, WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH A TENTATIVE BUDGET IN MAY. COMING AGAIN. I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE. I HAD TO BET WITH THE MAYOR THAT WE GO TO 4:00 PM . I SAID WE WOULD BE OUT EARLIER. YES, SHE DID. SHE WINS. THAT'S WHY SHE'S MAYOR. RIGHT? . NOTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY. GO ONCE [5. ADJOURNMENT] YOUR LAST CHANCE COME TWICE. OKAY. WE'RE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. WELL DONE. STERLING, BARBARA, AND AND CREW? YES. YES. THANK YOU. YES, YES, YES. WOW. APPLAUSE AT THE END OF THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. GOOD JOB, . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.