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THESE ARE THE OTHER, OTHER ITEMS. GOOD AFTERNOON[1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]
EVERYBODY.I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 4:32 PM ON TUESDAY, APRIL 28TH, 2026.
PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE, WHICH I'D LIKE TO DEDICATE TO, UH, FRED SHIN AND HIS PASSING.
UH, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR PHONES IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY.
AND I JUST WANT TO ANNOUNCE IN ADVANCE THAT I'M MOVING, UH, ITEM NINE D BEFORE THE DISCUSSION ON THE WESTERN GATEWAY, SINCE IT'S A SHORTER ITEM.
AND I KNOW WE'LL BE ON THE WESTERN GATEWAY FOR QUITE A WHILE.
MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU READ THE ROLE PLEASE? MAYOR PLU.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN BRING MORE CHAIRS INTO THE ROOM? 'CAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE STANDING IN THE BACK.
ARE THERE ANY SEATS OPEN NEXT TO ANYBODY? THERE'S ONE SEAT.
SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME IN AND THERE'S A COUPLE SEATS IN THE BACK.
THERE'S, COULD YOU RAISE YOUR HAND WHERE THAT SEAT IS? SO PLEASE HAVE A SEAT.
[3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE]
ON ITEM THREE.CONSENT ITEMS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL, THE STAFF, OR THE AUDIENCE TO PULL AN ITEM OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
AND I HAVE ONE ITEM PULLED 3D.
SO I WOULD ACCEPT A MOTION FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE ITEMS. MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE A THROUGH C AND ENF.
MELISSA WHO THEY BOTH SAID AT, AT THE SAME TIME.
[5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS]
THE NEXT ITEM, FIVE.SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR, COUNCILOR, CITY MANAGER, AND COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS.
DO ANY COUNSELORS OR THE CITY MANAGER HAVE AN EVENT OR AN ASSIGNMENT TO SHARE? ANNETTE.
JUST A REMINDER THAT TOMORROW AFTERNOON AT FOUR 30 AT COMMUNITY LIBRARY, SEDONA IS THE CITY'S FIRST COMMUNITY CONVERSATION ON THE NEEDS OF FAMILIES AND SENIORS.
FOUR 30 AT THE COMMUNITY LIBRARY OF SEDONA.
THANK YOU FOR GETTING MORE CHAIRS.
AND AMIR, MELISSA, UM, UM, ON THE SUBJECT OF THE COMMUNITY LIBRARY OF STONEY, THEY HAVE A FUNDRAISING EVENT GOING ON ON THE 14TH OF MAY.
IT'S A CONCERT OVER AT SPEC, UM, AND YOU CAN FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION.
IT'S AGAIN, ALONG THE LINES OF BLUEGRASS.
UM, AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE GREAT MUSICIANS AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF FUN TICKETS ARE AVAILABLE.
JUST GO ON UP TO THE COMMUNITY LIBRARY, SEDONA WEBSITE AND TAKE A LOOK.
THERE'S ALSO SOME FLYERS, UM, OVER BY WHERE YOU WOULD SIGN A CARD, SO I JUST WANT THE COMMUNITY TO BE AWARE.
WE DO HAVE SOME COMMUNITY MUSIC EVENT HAPPENING ON THE 14TH OF MAY.
ANYBODY ELSE? WE'LL SAY THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND I ATTENDED THE KSB AWARDS LUNCHEON ON FRIDAY, WHICH WAS A LOVELY EVENT AND A LOT OF, UH, AWARDS TO WELL-DESERVED PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
[6. EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT]
EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT.UH, AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION HELD TODAY, CITY COUNCIL IN OPEN SESSION UNANIMOUSLY, UH, VOTED TO APPROVE A 5% MAYOR INCREASE TO THE CITY MANAGER'S SALARY.
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OKAY, NOW I'LL[7. PUBLIC FORUM]
CALL THE PUBLIC FORUM.FIRST ONE IS TIM PERRY, WHO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY CHAN SMITH AND THEN MICHAEL JAMES.
LONG GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS.
MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA IN TONIGHT'S INSTALLMENT OF THE LIES TOLD BY THE CITY OF SEDONA.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FUN TO FOCUS ON SOME OF THE WHOPPERS THAT HAVE EMERGED AS PART OF THIS YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS.
BEGINNING, OF COURSE, WITH THE LIE THAT IT COSTS $98 MILLION TO RUN THIS CITY, WHEN IN FACT YOU CAN DO IT FOR 12 AND A HALF AND NOBODY WOULD MISS ANYTHING THEY ACTUALLY CARED ABOUT.
THEN THERE'S A LIE POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE THAT THE CITY IS, UH, INTERESTED IN INPUT FROM ITS CITIZENS AND CONDUCTS AN ANNUAL CITIZEN BUDGET SURVEY.
THERE WAS NO CITIZEN BUDGET SURVEY THIS YEAR BECAUSE YOU DON'T ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THE OPINIONS OF ANYONE WHO DOESN'T LIVE ON ONE OF YOUR OWN STREETS.
THEN THERE'S THE LIE THAT WE NEED TO PAY $9.7 MILLION A YEAR TO BE BUGGERED BY THE SEDONA BRUTALITY FORCE.
WHEN IN POINT OF FACT, WHAT STATE LAW ACTUALLY SAYS IS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A TOWN MARSHAL, NOT MAYOR BLOOMBERG'S STORM TROOPERS.
AND THEN THERE'S A LIE THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA REQUIRES 206 PEOPLE TO RUN IT, WHICH IS A CONCEPT THAT FREQUENTLY COMES UP IN THE WHOPPERS TOLD BY OUR MAJOR VICE LAST DECEMBER'S RETREAT, BRIAN FOLTZ EMPHATICALLY DISCOURAGED THE ADDITION OF EVEN ONE NEW STAFF POSITION.
YET THIS YEAR I SEE HIM ON THE DAIS HAPPILY WAVING THROUGH FOUR NEW POSITIONS.
I BELIEVE IT WAS IN JANUARY, 2023 THAT BRIAN FULTZ SAID HE WOULD BE A HARD SELL ON ANY STAFF INCREASE FROM THAT POINT, AT THE TIME, THE NUMBER OF STAFF POSITIONS AUTHORIZED WAS 146.
TODAY IT IS 206, AND BRIAN FOLTZ HAS SUPPORTED EVERY BUDGET THAT HAS INCREASED THAT NUMBER OF POSITIONS IN HIS OWN WORDS.
THAT'S, UH, THE SORT OF THING.
WELL, IT REMINDS YOU AT THE TIME HE VOTED FOR THOSE CRAZY $5,000 TOILETS JUST TO STICK IT TO HIMSELF.
AND THEN THERE'S THE LIE THAT THE CITY PRETENDS TO CARE ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY IN SOME WAY BECAUSE NOW IT'S GOT A $35 MILLION BUS BARN IN THE BUDGET PROPOSAL WITH A WAIT FOR IT, A FOSSIL FUEL GAS STATION TO REFUEL ITS FUTURE A HUNDRED PERCENT ELECTRIC VEHICLE FLEET.
THE ONLY GOOD THING IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET IS THE PROPOSAL TO INCREASE THE SPENDING ALLOCATED TOWARDS ELECTIONS BECAUSE CITY STAFF HAVE SUGGESTED, WELL, THERE MAY BE AN INCREASE IN INITIATIVES AND REFERENDUMS GOING FORWARD.
THE PLANNING IS ALREADY UNDERWAY.
IN FACT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO INCREASE THE ELECTIONS APPROPRIATION EVEN FURTHER BECAUSE UNLESS YOU GUYS MAKE A 180 DEGREE U-TURN VERY, VERY QUICKLY, THERE WILL BE MORE REFERENDUMS IN INITIATIVES FILED IN THIS TOWN IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS THAN THERE HAVE BEEN IN SEDONA SINCE IT WAS INCORPORATED.
AND YOU BETTER HAVE THE BUDGET TO PAY FOR THEM.
CHANCE SMITH MAYOR, I BELIEVE HE CHOSE NOT TO SPEAK AND I THINK HE LEFT.
JAMES LONG I GO BY MICHAEL JAMES LONG.
I WAS BORN ON THE LAND OF MARYLAND, NOW DOMICILED ON THE LAND OF ARIZONA FOR NINE YEARS.
WE, THE PEOPLE ONLY AGREE TO BE GOVERNED BY CONSTITUTION.
WE, THE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHTFUL POWER TO CONSTITUTE AND RECONSTITUTE GOVERNMENT AT OUR WILL.
WE THE PEOPLE, IN ORDER TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION, ESTABLISH JUSTICE, ENSURE DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY, PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE, AND SECURE THE BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY TO OURSELVES AND OUR POSTERITY DO ORDAINED AND ESTABLISH THIS CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
DON'T FORGET IT, THE SEDONA MUNICIPAL MAGISTRATE ROBERT SPEAR LITERALLY SAID IN OPEN COURT ON RECORD ON APRIL 14TH, THE CONSTITUTION IS IRRELEVANT.
NOT ONLY IS THAT CAPITAL, FELONY TREASON WHEN IN THE PRESENCE OF TWO WITNESSES TO THE SAME ACT OR IN AN OPEN COURT OF LAW, IF YOU FAILED TO TIMELY MOVE TO PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND HONOR YOUR OATH OF OFFICE, MAY THIS TREASON BE WITNESSED AND REMEDIED BY THE FORCES OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH.
LADY KARMA, LADY NEMESIS, LORD SATURN AND LORD MARS BE HERE NOW.
AND UPON THESE PEOPLE ABRAXIS BIND THEM.
IT SAYS IN BOYD VERSUS UNITED STATES, QUOTE, IT IS THE DUTY OF THE COURTS TO BE WATCHFUL FOR THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF THE CITIZEN AND AGAINST ANY AND STEALTHY ENCROACHMENTS THEREON.
FURTHERMORE, SPEAKING OF ENCROACHMENT, THERE ARE MANY STATE DOCUMENTS AND VIDEO SPECIFICALLY NOT GIVEN TO ME IN DISCOVERY, DESPITE BEING CROSS-REFERENCED IN COURT SUPPRESSION.
BUT WHEN I TRIED TO ENTER EVIDENCE, IT WAS DENIED.
IF I FILED WEEKS OR MONTHS BEFOREHAND, IT WAS IGNORED IF I FILED DAYS BEFORE OR DAY OF.
IT WAS DISMISSED AS BEING UNTIMELY, A LITERAL CATCH 22 TO PREVENT
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ANY EVIDENCE FROM BEING ENTERED ON THE RECORD IN A VINDICATING MANNER OF PREPOSTEROUS DEMONSTRATION OF JURYLESS JUSTICE.AND THEN MOREOVER, FOR A VICTIMLESS FIRST AMENDMENT OFFENSE, DISPLAYING FICTION, THEY CHARGED ME OVER A THOUSAND DOLLARS AND TOLD ME IF IT DID NOT PAY, I WOULD BE KIDNAPPED.
WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU NOTICE NOW, IF THAT HAPPENS, THEY WOULD BE GUILTY OF YOU WOULD BE GUILTY OF AN 18 USC 1581 VIOLATION, P ON NATURE DEBT OR DEBT SLAVERY.
IT READS, QUOTE, WHOEVER HOLDS A PERSON TO A CONDITION OF DEBT, SLAVERY, OR ARREST A PERSON WITH INTENTION OF PLACING HIM IN A CONDITION OF DEBT, SLAVERY SHALL BE FINED OR IMPRISONED.
WILL YOU MARTY ME LIKE JACQUES DELE? THERE HAS BEEN SYSTEMIC GOVERNMENT OVERREACH AGAINST THE PEOPLE IN THE CONSTITUTION SINCE LONG BEFORE I WAS BORN.
HOWEVER, JUST WITHIN MY LIFETIME, I HAVE SEEN THE LAST VESTIGE OF THE UNION OF 1776 FADE WITH THE POST NINE 11 SECURITY STATE.
ONE REASONABLE NONVIOLENT THING THAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE DONE IS TO OPT OUT OF THE PUBLIC INTO THE PRIVATE, ESPECIALLY IN THE WAKE OF THE PANDEMIC FOR PARTICIPATION ON ANY LEVEL, ESPECIALLY ECONOMICALLY, IS EQUIVALENT TO CULPABILITY AND CONSENT TO THE CRIMES OF THE GOVERNMENT.
BROOKSFIELD CONSTRUCTION CO VERSUS STEWART, QUOTE, AN OFFICER WHO ACTS IN VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION CEASES TO REPRESENT THE GOVERNMENT AND STATE VERSUS CHASE.
QUOTE, THE GOVERNMENT IS BUT AN AGENCY TO THE STATE AND QUOTE, THE STATE BEING THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.
THESE ARE NOT FRINGE PERSPECTIVES OR MERELY A LOCAL PHENOMENON.
THESE ARE VERY CLOSE TO A THIRD OF THE NATION TO DEMONSTRATE THE MASS LOSS OF FAITH IN GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEMS. 77 MILLION VOTES WON THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION OF 2024, BUT ALMOST 90 MILLION PEOPLE DID NOT VOTE.
I AM THE SILENT, I AM THE HERD OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.
AND THIS WAS ALL BEFORE THE EPSTEIN FILES WERE MADE PUBLIC LIKE THE MAGNA CARTA.
THE CONSTITUTION IS A DIVINE DOCUMENT AND THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE ARE INHERENTLY UNALIENABLE GIVEN BY GOD, NOT THE GOVERNMENT WITH RESPECT.
OKAY, THOSE ARE ALL THE CARDS I HAVE.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM.
ITEM EIGHT, PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS.
WE HAVE NOBODY PRESENT FOR AN AWARD,
[9.a. Discussion/possible action regarding items pulled off “3. Consent Items”. ]
REGULAR BUSINESS.NINE A DISCUSS POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING ITEMS PULLED OFF OF THREE CONSENT ITEMS. WE HAD A ITEM PULLED 3D, WHICH IS THE FAIR HOUSING MONTH PROCLAMATION, APRIL, 2026.
ANYBODY WANNA DISCUSS THAT? TAKE A MOTION.
WHO PULLED IT? WHO PULLED IT? WHO PULLED IT? WHO PULLED IT? TIM PERRY PULLED IT.
DOES HE WANNA SPEAK? TIM, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT? GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS.
I LIVE IN SEDONA WITH REGARD TO THE COUNCIL'S FAIR HOUSING PROCLAMATION PROPOSAL.
I JUST WANT TO PUT ON RECORD THE GROTESQUE IRONY AND THE AUDACITY OF THIS BODY PROCLAIMING THAT IT IS IN ANY WAY IN FAVOR OF FAIR HOUSING WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL AND ITS STAFF ARE THE NUMBER ONE OBSTACLE TO HOUSING EQUITY AND HOUSING CONSTRUCTION IN THIS ENTIRE REGION.
ANY DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL? I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
NO, MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT.
[9.b. AB 3333 Discussion and presentation from Arizona Public Service (APS) for an update regarding emergency power shutoff/wildfire safety protocols and planning.]
THE NEXT ITEM IS AB 33 33, DISCUSSION AND PRESENTATION FROM ARIZONA PUBLIC SERVICE FOR AN UPDATE REGARDING EMERGENCY POWER, SHUTOFF WILDLIFE SAFETY PROTOCOLS AND PLANNING.OH, SORRY, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNSEL, IT'S, UH, MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE, UH, TO TALK TO YOU ONCE AGAIN, UH, REGARDING BOTH OUR FIRE MITIGATION EFFORTS, UH, AT A PS AND THEN ALSO, UH, MORE ON OUR PUBLIC SAFETY POWER SHUTOFF, UH, PROGRAM.
UM, YOU KNOW, JUST STARTING OFF, ONE OF OUR BIGGEST, UH, O AND M EXPENDITURES AT A PS IS VEGETATION CLEARING.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY CLEARING THE VEGETATION AROUND, UH, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, WE SERVICE 38,000 MILES OF LINE, UH, IN OUR SERVICE TERRITORY.
UM, AND, AND A LOT OF THESE THINGS UPFRONT.
UH, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DO TO PREVENT WHAT WE DO TO MITIGATE AND, AND WHAT WE DO TO RESPOND.
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INTRODUCED A NEW STANDARD FOR OUR POLLS.UH, A PS CONSIDERS THEMSELVES A STEEL POLE COMPANY.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, THERE ARE MANY AREAS, UH, THAT WE GO INTO THAT, UH, WE HAVE TO PUT WOOD IN BECAUSE OUR LINEMEN HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CLIMB IT 'CAUSE WE CAN'T GET, UH, TRUCKS, UH, IN THERE TO, YOU KNOW, PERFORM MAINTENANCE.
AND SO IN THOSE, UH, SCENARIOS, UH, WE, WE ARE PUTTING WOOD IN, BUT WE ARE WRAPPING IT WITH A FIRE WRAPPING.
IT'S MUCH LIKE A, I'LL CALL IT A, A BLACK CHICKEN WIRE.
UM, AND IT'S USED TO DISSIPATE HEAT THAT MAY COME AROUND IT.
AND THAT, UH, IN AN ACTIVE FIRE, UM, BY AND LARGE HAS SHOWN TO BE VERY EFFECTIVE.
UM, THE OTHER THING, UH, POLES THAT HAVE TRANSFORMERS, DEVICES FUSES, RECLOSERS, THINGS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY, UH, MAKE A SPARK.
UH, WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED OUR D PROGRAM, AND THAT'S OUR DEFENSIBLE SPACE AROUND POLES.
UM, AND WE CLEAR 10 FEET AROUND THOSE POLES, TREAT THE AREA, AND, AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS.
I COULD, I COULD SHOW YOU PICTURES WHERE WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD WILDFIRES COME THROUGH AND, AND THE GROUND AROUND IT IS ALL BURNT, BUT THAT 10 FEET, UH, IS VERY SAFE.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING NEW WE'VE DONE.
THE OTHER, UH, THING, WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY WELL WITH OUR, UH, LAND MANAGEMENT PARTNERS IN THAT WE HAVE A HAZARD TREE PROGRAM.
AND WHAT THAT ALLOWS US TO DO IS, ESPECIALLY IN THE HIGHER COUNTRY WHERE, UH, THE TREES ARE VERY TALL, UM, OUTSIDE OF OUR RIGHT OF WAY, IF THERE IS A DEAD TREE THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FALLING INTO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, WE'RE ABLE TO CONTACT THEM AND, AND GET THOSE TREES CLEARED.
SO EVEN THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR RIGHT OF WAY ARE, ARE TAKEN CARE OF.
UH, IN JANUARY OF EVERY YEAR, UH, WE DO WHAT'S CALLED OUR PRE-FIRE INSPECTIONS.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY, UH, A TON OF INSPECTORS GOING OUT AND PATROLLING 237 CIRCUITS.
UH, AND MOST OF THOSE CIRCUITS FOR OUR SERVICE TERRITORY ARE IN NORTHERN ARIZONA.
UM, AND, UH, ANYTHING THAT'S IDENTIFIED ON THOSE, THOSE ARE DONE AND COMPLETED WITHIN 30 DAYS TO MAKE SURE AS WE GET INTO THE MAY TIMEFRAME THAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS READY FOR A ROBUST FIRE AND SUMMER SEASON.
UM, AS, AS WE'VE MOVED THROUGH OUR, OUR, UH, JOURNEY, UH, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP OUR COMMUNITIES AND CUSTOMERS SAFE, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM FIRE, UH, WE'VE ALSO, UH, BEEN ABLE TO DO STUDIES ON ALL OF OUR CIRCUITS, UH, THAT YOUR TRADITIONAL, UH, ELECTRIC, UH, UTILITY FUSE EMITS SPARKS WHEN IT BLOWS, WHEN, WHEN THERE'S A FAULT OPENS UP THE CIRCUIT.
UH, THEY NOW HAVE BEST IN PRACTICE TYPE OF FUSING.
UH, THEY'RE, IT'S, UH, SPARK OR EMULSION LIMITING FUSES.
UH, WE'VE GONE THROUGH OUR, ALL OF THE FEEDERS THAT ARE IN OUR HIGHER FIRE RISK AREAS AND REPLACED THE TRADITIONAL FUSES WITH THESE DEVICES.
AND, UM, WE'VE ALSO, UH, PUT DIFFERENT THINGS IN PLACE THAT GIVE US MORE DATA AROUND, YOU KNOW, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT CONDITIONS THEY'RE EXPOSED TO.
UM, WE'VE ALSO INVESTED IN A VERY HIGH, HIGHLY TECHNICAL, UH, I'LL CALL IT AN AI DATABASE.
UH, IT'S KNOWN AS TECHNO SILVA.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE IN DATA.
WE HAVE DATA, WEATHER DATA, AND FIRE DATA, UH, FROM THE PAST 10 YEARS, UM, THAT GOES INTO THIS SYSTEM.
IT, UH, GETS REAL TIME DATA AND IT GIVES US A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT KIND OF FIRE CONDITIONS EXIST IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE STATE.
UM, TO SUPPORT THIS, UH, WE'VE ALSO, UH, BEGAN OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS TO INSTALL WEATHER STATIONS, UH, AND CAMERAS.
TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF CA CAMERAS I'LL TALK ABOUT.
BUT, UM, THE WEATHER STATIONS, UH, IF YOU WERE TO GET ON YOUR APPLE PHONE AND SAY, HEY, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE TEMPERATURE AND WIND IN SEDONA? IT, IT'LL GIVE YOU ONE NUMBER.
UH, BUT THAT COULD BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND ENCHANTMENT.
UM, AND SO WHAT THIS DOES IS IT GIVES US REAL TIME DATA FROM MANY DIFFERENT PLACES OF EXACTLY WHERE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS.
SO WE HAVE A VERY DETAILED, UH, IDEA OF WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHERE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS.
UM, WE'VE ALSO, UH, STARTED TO USE, UH, DRONES IN OUR PATROLS.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONALLY, UH, TOMORROW A PS WILL BE, HAVE BEEN AROUND
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FOR 140 YEARS, WHICH IS PRETTY INTERESTING.UH, BUT, UM, A A TRADITIONAL LINEMAN DOING A PATROL IS DOING IT FROM THE GROUND LOOKING UP.
AND AS YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, AERIAL VIEW, UH, SOMETIMES CAN REVEAL THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T SEE FROM THE GROUND.
AND SO WE'VE STARTED USING THOSE.
UH, THEY ALSO INCLUDE AN INFRARED CAMERA, UH, THAT CAN DE DETECT BAD CONNECTIONS, HEAT, AND, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CATCHING THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE REPAIRED AND MAINTAINED.
UH, WITH, UH, THE, I I DID MENTION THE CAMERAS.
I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
UM, WE HAVE TWO TYPES OF CAMERAS.
ONE IS KNOWN AS PANO AI, AND THIS IS OUR MOST ADVANCED CAMERA.
WE HAVE 30 OF THESE ACROSS OUR SERVICE TERRITORY, MOST OF THEM BEING IN NORTHERN ARIZONA.
UH, WITHIN PROBABLY A FEW SHORT WEEKS, WE WILL HAVE 60 OF THESE INSTALLED ACROSS OF OUR, OUR SERVICE TERRITORY.
AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY ARE A 360 DEGREE CAMERA, UH, A SMART CAMERA, AND THEY ARE ABLE TO DETECT SMOKE AND HEAT AND DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF HEAT.
UM, THEY ARE ALSO OVERLAPPED, UH, SO THAT IF TWO CAMERAS PICK IT UP, IT CAN ACTUALLY TRIANGULATE, UH, THE LOCATION OF THE FIRE.
UM, ONE EXAMPLE OF THIS WORKING REALLY WELL WAS FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR.
THERE WAS, UH, THE BRADY FIRE, WHICH WAS JUST SOUTH OF CROWN KING.
AND, UM, TWO OF OUR CAMERAS WERE ABLE TO PICK THAT UP.
IT WAS ABLE TO TRIANGULATE STRAIGHT TO THE AREA.
UM, ONE BENEFIT TO HAVING THESE, UH, IS THAT INSTANTLY WHEN IT DETECTS A REAL FIRE, IT TEXTS AND EMAILS OUR FIRE MITIGATION GROUP.
AND THAT'S GREAT, BUT WHAT'S EVEN BETTER IS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GIVE ACCESS TO OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TEAMS, OUR FIRE SERVICE TEAMS, AND I DON'T KNOW OF A FIRE DEPARTMENT OR AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT GROUP THAT DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THIS STUFF.
THEY CAN ALSO GO ONTO THE PANO AI.
AND, AND JUST IN CASE YOU'RE WONDERING, THE PANO AI ARE ON MOUNTAINTOPS, UH, YOU KNOW, ON RADIO TOWERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY HAVE, UH, THEY'RE GUARANTEED FOR A 10 MILE RADIUS, BUT WE'VE PICKED UP FIRES AS AS MUCH AS 30 MILES AWAY WITH THESE.
UM, AND THE OTHER THING, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PRIVACY, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I'D BE HAPPY TO SHOW ANYBODY WHAT THE CAMERA SEES, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY SEEING THE HORIZON.
ALL THE THINGS IT DOES WITH THE DETECTION, UM, IS SECONDARY TO YOU DON'T ZOOM IN AND OUT WITH THIS CAMERA.
UH, THOUGH, WITH THE OTHER CAMERAS THAT WE HAVE PUT UP, WE'VE PUT THEM UP ON OUR ACTUAL PULSE AND THEY ARE CALLED PTZ CAMERAS, PAN TILT ZOOM.
AND SO, UH, NOBODY IS CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT THEM, BUT IF WE FEEL, OR, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THERE'S, THERE IS A WILDFIRE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND WE NEED TO CHECK THE STATUS OF OUR LINES.
WE CAN LOG INTO THAT CAMERA, LOOK RIGHT AND LEFT, SEE HOW CLOSE IT'S COMING AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, SO THAT'S BEEN A, A BIG BENEFIT.
ONE OTHER EXAMPLE I'LL GIVE YOU, UH, THERE WAS A HOUSE FIRE IN CAMP VERDE, AND THESE CAMERAS ALERTED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SEVEN TO 10 MINUTES BEFORE 9 1 1 WAS CALLED.
AND SO IT, FROM A RESPONSE PERSPECTIVE, UH, THEY ARE WORKING VERY WELL, AND THEY'RE A GREAT TOOL TO HAVE IN OUR, OUR TOOLBOX.
WE'VE ALSO EXPERIENCED, WE'VE WORKED WITH SEVERAL MUNICIPAL PARTNERS IN WHICH, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEIR RESIDENTS ARE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING INSURANCE, UH, FOR THEIR HOMES BECAUSE OF THE WILDFIRE RISK.
AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS AS SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN TAKE AND AT LEAST APPROACH THEIR INSURANCE COMPANIES AND SAY, HEY, UNDERSTAND THE FIRE RISK.
BUT HERE IS A TOOL THAT IS IN PLACE THAT IS A, A QUICK RESPONSE TOOL FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.
FRANK, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER THAT'S HAD ANY SUCCESS? UH, I DON'T KNOW.
THE LAST ONE WE DID WAS WITH, UH, THE PRESCOTT CITY MANAGER DOWN.
UM, I, I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN I FIND OUT, BUT WE DID PROVIDE THEM THE DATA.
UM, WE'VE TALKED TO COTTONWOOD.
THE OTHER THING, AND I, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO IT FOR SEDONA, BUT WE HAVE MAPS THAT YOU CAN SEE THE SERVICE TERRITORY OF THOSE CAMERAS, SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, YOUR CITY, HOW THEY OVERLAP, AND IT, IT'S IN A CIRCULAR VIEW.
UM, AND I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED, UM, YOU KNOW, TO UTILIZE THAT DATA.
IF, IF IT CAN EASE THE INSURANCE BURDEN AT ALL, UH, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
UM, FROM A, FROM A WORKING PERSPECTIVE, UH, A PS WORKS AND LIVES IN THESE COMMUNITIES EVERY DAY.
UM, WE HAVE, WHEN WE DO WORK IN THE COMMUNITIES, WE HAVE FIVE PREPAREDNESS LEVELS AS IT RELATES TO FIRE MITIGATION,
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UH, PREPAREDNESS LEVEL ONE TO FIVE.UH, AND AS THE FIRE CONDITIONS WORSEN, UM, WE UP OUR LEVELS AND, AND WE CHANGE THE WAY WE DO WORK.
UH, WE, WE CHANGE THE THINGS WE CARRY WITH US.
WE DO, UH, FIRE WATCHES AFTER, AFTER WE PERFORM WORK.
UM, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS OUR CUSTOMERS AND COMMUNITIES IS, UM, ONCE WE GET TO P THREE OR PREPAREDNESS LEVEL THREE, WE GO INTO WHAT, WHAT'S CALLED A NO RE-CLOSE STRATEGY.
AND WHAT THAT IS, IS THERE ARE DEVICES OUT ON THE LINE CALLED RECLOSERS, AND THEY'RE BASICALLY A RELAYING, UH, DEVICE ON THE LINE THAT'S LOOKING AT A SECTION OF LINE.
IF IT SEES A FAULT, IT OPENS UP.
AND WHEN IT'S IN NORMAL RECLOSING, UH, I, THE BEST WAY TO EXPLAIN IT IS I'M SURE WE'VE ALL BEEN AT HOME, UH, WATCHING TV OR SPENDING TIME WITH OUR FAMILIES DURING A THUNDERSTORM, AND THE LIGHTS GO OUT.
UH, WE START SCURRYING FOR OUR STUFF, GETTING THE FLASHLIGHT, GETTING THE CANDLES, AND THEN ABOUT A MINUTE OR TWO LATER, THEY FLICKER RIGHT BACK ON.
AND THAT'S A RECLOSER WORKING 'CAUSE IT SAW FAULT, UH, IT TIMED, UH, WITH A TIMER AND THEN IT CLOSE BACK IN AS THE, UH, FIRE RISK GETS HIGHER.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND DRY AND WINDY.
UH, WE TURN THAT FUNCTION OFF.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DOES CAUSE LONGER OUTAGES BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY SEND INDIVIDUALS KNOWN AS TROUBLE MEN OUT TO LOOK AT THE LINE AND PUT THEIR EYES ON IT BEFORE WE SHUT IT BACK IN.
UH, AND SO, UH, IN AN EFFORT, IN OUR EFFORT TO DO THAT, WE STARTED DOING THAT ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO WHEN WE FOUND THAT IT WAS TAKING AN AWFUL LONG TIME FOR OUR TROUBLE MEN TO PATROL THE WHOLE LINE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S IN AT NIGHT BEFORE WE CAN TURN IT BACK ON.
UH, THE SOLUTION TO THAT WAS, UM, THERE'S LITTLE, UH, THINGS, AND THEY'RE NOT CAMERAS, UH, LITTLE DEVICES WE PUT ON OUR LINES CALLED FAULT INDICATORS.
AND WHAT THEY DO IS IT'S JUST A SIMPLE DEVICE THAT IF IT SEES A FAULT, IT STARTS FLASHING RED.
AND SO WHEN THE TROUBLE MAN, UH, IS OUT PATROLLING, HE CAN FOLLOW THOSE RED LIGHTS UNTIL HE GETS TO THE POTENTIALLY DAMAGED OR, UH, ASSET THAT NEEDS, UH, MAINTAINED, UH, FIX IT AND GET THE LIGHTS BACK ON.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.
UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE LONGER OUTAGES, WE DON'T WANT LONGER OUTAGES.
I KNOW OUR CUSTOMERS AND COMMUNITIES DON'T WANT LONGER OUTAGES.
UH, WE'RE, WE ARE VERY FOCUSED ON RELIABILITY AT A PS, BUT SAFETY TRUMPS RELIABILITY AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE BEFORE WE RE-ENERGIZE THAT STUFF, THAT IT IS SAFE TO DO.
SO, UH, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, YOUR NORMAL RED FLAG, UH, PROTOCOLS THAT, THAT YOU'D GET FROM, UH, DIFFERENT AGENCIES, UH, WE ENACT THOSE SAME PROTOCOLS DURING THE RED FLAG, UH, PERIOD.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, I THINK IT WILL BE A MOST INTERESTING TOPIC, UH, GIVEN, UH, WHAT WE EXPERIENCED LAST WEEK.
UH, THREE YEARS AGO, WE STARTED OUR PUBLIC SAFETY POWER SHUTOFF PROGRAM.
UH, THE FIRST YEAR WE DID 13 CIRCUITS, UH, LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE IT WAS 165.
IS THAT RIGHT? WAS IT 93? OKAY, THEN, THEN NOW IT'S 1 65.
UM, SO, AND I, I DO WANT TO STRESS THAT THAT IS OUR TOOL OF LAST RESORT.
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO, BUT IF IT BECOMES A SEVERE SAFETY RISK, UH, WE WILL DO THAT.
AND UP TILL LAST WEEK, I COULD SAY WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR THREE YEARS AND HAVEN'T HAD TO DO IT, THANK GOODNESS.
UM, LAST, UH, WEDNESDAY, UH, THERE WERE CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT, UH, WERE PREDICTED IN THE FLAGSTAFF AREA AREA, UM, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, MADE IT NECESSARY TO WHERE WE HAD TO ALERT THE LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY ALERT, THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, ALERT OUR CUSTOMERS, AND ALERT, UH, THE GREATER COMMUNITY.
UM, THAT, UH, OUTAGE TOOK PLACE FROM NINE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, AND I BELIEVE WE GOT OUR LAST CUSTOMER BACK ON ABOUT SEVEN O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
UM, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, FROM AN OPERATION THAT LARGE, UH, IT WENT WELL.
UH, WE, UM, THE TWO THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I WISH, UH, COULD HAVE GONE DIFFERENTLY IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME AS FAR AS NOTICE GOES.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, UH, I ALWAYS SAY, UH, BEING A WEATHERMAN'S THE ONLY JOB YOU CAN BE WRONG AND STILL HAVE A JOB,
UH, AND, UH, AND, UH, OUR, OUR METEOROLOGISTS DO A GREAT JOB.
BUT, UH, IN THIS INSTANCE, WE, WE, OUR GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH OUR CUSTOMERS UP TO FOUR DAYS IN ADVANCE.
IN THIS SCENARIO THAT DID NOT HAPPEN, UM, THAT THEY, UH, CHECKED
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THE RECOMMENDATION FROM ALL OF OUR SYSTEMS. WE HAVE FOUR METEOROLOGISTS AND FIRE SCIENCE SCIENTISTS ON OUR STAFF.AND, UH, MONDAY, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE FORECAST OVER THE NEXT WEEK, IT WAS GOOD.
UH, WE CAME IN TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY WAS LOOKING REALLY, REALLY BAD.
UM, WE THEN, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR UPPER MANAGEMENT HAD TO SIT DOWN WITH THOSE, UH, INDIVIDUALS AND THE FIRE MITIGATION TEAM, THE METEOROLOGIST AND, AND OTHER PERSONNEL TO SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, IS THIS SOMETHING WE NEED TO, TO ACTUALLY EXECUTE? UM, IT WAS DECIDED, UH, I WANNA SAY, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT TIME IT WAS 'CAUSE IT WAS KIND OF A WHIRLWIND, BUT SOMETIME IN THE AFTERNOON ON TUESDAY, UH, WE ALERTED THE EMERGENCY MANAGER AND, UH, THE CITY, UH, SHORTLY AFTER THE, THE COMMUNICATION WENT OUT TO THE CUSTOMERS THAT WERE GOING TO BE AFFECTED.
UH, FROM THERE WE PREPARE TO, UM, LET ME STEP BACK JUST A LITTLE BIT.
WHEN, WHEN THERE'S, UH, IT WAS PRO PROJECTED TO START AT NINE O'CLOCK AND IT COULD GO ANYWHERE BETWEEN 12 AND 24 HOURS, UM, IT, IT'S HARD TO PREDICT BECAUSE WE KNOW BASED ON OUR, ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT, ALL OF OUR SCIENTISTS AND METEOROLOGISTS, THAT THE MAIN WIND SHOULD BE AROUND BETWEEN 12 AND THREE O'CLOCK.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S NOT A GIVEN, BUT THAT'S THE INFORMATION WE HAD.
AND SO WE, WE EXECUTED, UH, THE OUTAGE.
UM, AND THEN, UH, STARTING AT ABOUT 11 O'CLOCK, UH, WE HAD INDIVIDUALS IN THE FIELD, UH, ESPECIALLY FROM MY FIRE MITIGATION, DOING LOCALIZED, UH, WEATHER, UH, YOU KNOW, CHECKS AS FAR AS, UH, RELATIVE HUMIDITY, WIND, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN THOSE HUNDREDS OF, UH, WEATHER STATIONS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, WERE WATCHING THOSE METICULOUSLY TO SEE IF WE CAN SEE A TREND OF, YOU KNOW, THE WINDS AND THE GUSTS, UH, GOING UP AND DOWN.
UH, ANOTHER CHALLENGE IS THE TIME OF YEAR.
UM, I, I REALLY BELIEVED, UH, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS PROGRAM, THAT IT WOULD BE EXECUTED IN, YOU KNOW, SOMETIME LIKE JULY IF WE DIDN'T GET, UH, MONSOONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THIS BEING IN APRIL, UH, IS, IS VERY DIFFERENT.
AND THE, THE SUSTAINED AND THE GUSTS OF WIND THAT WE EXPERIENCED, UH, THAT DAY, UH, I WOULD SAY WERE HIGH, BUT NOT NECESSARILY ABNORMAL FOR THAT AREA.
I MEAN, UH, ALL OF US DEAL WITH WIND.
UH, THE ONE THING THAT IS DIFFERENT, AND I THINK EVERYBODY, UH, IS WELL AWARE IS OUR, EVERYTHING'S DRY.
OUR OUR WINTER WAS VERY, UH, YOU KNOW, DRY AND, AND WE DID NOT GET GOOD SNOW PACK.
AND SO IN THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE GET DATA ON THE FUELS IN THE AREA, WE GET DATA ON THE MOISTURE CONTENT OF THOSE FUELS, THE DENSITY OF THOSE FUELS.
AND, UH, SO ANYWAY, WE, WE MOVED THROUGH THAT CHECKING VERY PERIODICALLY.
WE WERE WAITING FOR THE, THE GO AHEAD TO DO THE PATROL, BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE DO THIS BEFORE WE, UH, ENERGIZE THE CUSTOMERS AFTER AN EVENT LIKE THIS, WE PATROL THE ENTIRE LINE.
WE HAD 70 PEOPLE UP IN THAT AREA TO PATROL THE LINE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, USE, UTILIZING DRONES, HELICOPTERS, PEOPLE ON FEET SIDE, BYSIDE.
UH, AND IT WAS A, WELL, UH, E EVEN THOUGH, AND I WILL SAY I, I DON'T LIKE TO DO PUBLIC SAFETY POWER SHUTOFF IN THAT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE OUR CUSTOMERS OUT OF POWER.
BUT I THINK FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
UM, THE TEAM PERFORMED VERY WELL, AND WE WERE SYSTEMATICALLY ABLE TO GET, UH, THAT, UM, THOSE CUSTOMERS AND THAT INFRASTRUCTURE RE-ENERGIZED.
UM, AND IT, IT WAS ABOUT SEVEN O' O'CLOCK WHEN WE GOT THE LAST CUSTOMER ON.
THE OTHER THING, JUST, YOU KNOW, FROM A MUNICIPAL PERSPECTIVE, UM, IS THAT I REALLY WANT TO THROW OUT THERE IS WE, UH, WOULD REALLY LIKE TO STRESS THE IMPORTANCE.
IF THERE'S ANY OF OUR CUSTOMERS OR COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT, UH, HAVE MEDICAL NEEDS, UM, THERE IS A WAY TO REGISTER ON A, ON THEIR ACCOUNT, UH, FOR MEDICAL MONITORED.
UM, IN, IN THIS INSTANCE, THERE WERE SIX CUSTOMERS IN THAT AREA THAT WERE MEDICAL MONITORED.
UM, WE TREAT THOSE DIFFERENTLY.
THE ONES THAT DID NOT ANSWER, WE WENT OUT TO THEIR HOUSE AND KNOCKED ON THEIR DOOR.
IF THEY DIDN'T ANSWER, THEN WE EVENTUALLY HAD A, A SHERIFF SHERIFF'S OFFICE DO A WELLNESS CHECK.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET A HOLD OF EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE CUSTOMERS BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE OUTAGE STARTED, UM, WHICH, WHICH WAS FORTUNATE.
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SURE THAT, UH, YOU ALL UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS I'VE GONE THROUGH.THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WERE PROACTIVELY DOING TO PREVENT, MITIGATE, AND RESPOND TO WILDFIRE.
AND, AND WE JUST ASK OUR, UH, CUSTOMERS AND COMMUNITIES TO PARTNER WITH US IN MAKING SURE AT OUR OWN HOMES WE'RE READY FOR, UH, ANY TYPE OF AN EMERGENCY.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A POWER OUTAGE, BUT ANY TYPE OF EMERGENCY.
UM, AND I'LL THROW IN A SHAMELESS PLUG FOR THE COUNTY, ASHLEY.
THE OTHER THING TO PLEASE STRESS TO OUR CUSTOMERS AND COMMUNITIES IS TO REGISTER WITH YOUR COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
THEY HAVE APPS AND WEBSITES THAT, UH, HAVE ALL OF THE PERTINENT AND CRITICAL INFORMATION FROM EVACUATIONS ZONES TO, UH, ALERTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, SO WITH THAT, I'LL, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GAVE THIS PRESENTATION TO US LAST YEAR, YOU MENTIONED THE AREAS IN OUR AREA IN SEDONA MM-HMM
THE, AND I THINK ONE IN THE VOC MM-HMM
THAT WERE IMPACTED IN THIS, UH, SHUT DOWN PLAN.
COULD YOU REPEAT THOSE FOR THE AUDIENCE? SO, UH, THEY HAVE CHANGED THIS YEAR.
UM, WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IF YOU WERE IN NORTHERN ARIZONA, BE PREPARED, UM, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THIS YEAR AND THE, THE LACK OF, OF MOISTURE, UH, THE DIFFERENCE IN TEMPERATURES, UH, HAVING SOME OF THE, WE HAD THE HOTTEST, I BELIEVE, MARCH, UM, EVER.
UM, WE, WE WANT TO BE PREPARED.
UH, WE, I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, STRESS TOO FROM A DURATION PERSPECTIVE.
LUCKILY IN ARIZONA, WE DON'T HAVE THE SANTA ANA WINDS WHERE THEY LAST DAYS AND DAYS ON END.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO OURS SHOULD BE MUCH SHORTER.
UH, WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, YOU KNOW, TRY AND GET A FOUR DAY NOTICE OUT, BUT THERE ARE, BECAUSE THE WEATHER IS EVER CHANGING, THERE MAY BE TIMES JUST LIKE LAST WEEK THAT WE HAVE TO DO IT MORE QUICKLY.
BUT WE WILL COMMUNICATE BEFORE WE DO IT BY WHAT MEANS DO YOU COMMUNICATE? SO, TEXT, EMAIL, PHONE CALL, SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, AND EVERY EVERYONE THAT'S IN THESE AREAS SHOULD RECEIVE SOMETHING IN THE MAIL PHYSICALLY.
UM, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR WE GO OUT AND DO THIS.
AND, AND I DO BELIEVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A LOT OF, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN THAT AREA THAT WERE CAUGHT OFF GUARD.
UM, HONESTLY, IF I DIDN'T WORK FOR A PSI PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN CAUGHT OFF GUARD BECAUSE I DON'T LOOK AT MY MAIL.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S MY WIFE'S ROLE, BUT JUST KIDDING.
UH, SHE WOULD'VE SHE'D SLAP ME IF SHE HEARD ME SAY THAT.
UM, BUT, UH, I, I JUST GETTING THE WORD OUT AND, YOU KNOW, BEING PREPARED IS, IS THE BIGGEST THING.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IN THIS, UH, SCENARIO, WE ALSO UTILIZED, UH, ACTUAL MEDIA CHANNELING, UM, AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS OUT THERE AND KNOWN THAT THIS WAS GONNA HAPPEN IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.
THANK, THANK YOU FRANK, FOR BEING HERE TO PRESENT TO US AGAIN AND OUR COMMUNITY.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT ABOUT THAT COMMUNICATION.
JUST A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR DEFENSIBLE SPACE AROUND POLES PROGRAM THAT YOU TREAT THE GROUND.
CAN YOU TELL ME MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS? YEAH, WE DO.
UH, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT'S IN IT.
I KNOW IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT MEETS SOME STANDARD THAT WE HAVE TO MEET TO BE ABLE TO BE SPRAYED.
UM, AND THE OTHER THING TO BE AWARE OF IS IF THERE IS ONE OF THOSE POLES ON, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY'S PROPERTY AND THEY DO NOT WANT THAT SPRAYED, WE WON'T SPRAY IT.
IF YOU CONTACT US, THERE IS A DATABASE THAT TELLS THOSE CREWS.
YOU CAN GO IN AND CLEAR THE VEGETATION, BUT YOU CANNOT SPRAY.
AND SO, UH, AND I APOLOGIZE, I CAN ACTUALLY FIND OUT FOR YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO, ALMOST LIKE AN MSDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THAT, WHAT THAT ACTUALLY IS.
THE POLES THROUGH THE FOREST SERVICE ARE APPROVED BY THE FOREST TREATMENT.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION, THE OBVIOUS QUESTION THAT JUST I THINK NEEDS TO BE VOICED, YOU TALKED ABOUT PROBABLY THE PAN TILT ZOOM CAMERAS, NO FACIAL RECOGNITION.
YOU ACTUALLY RETAIN DATA FROM THOSE CAMERAS.
ARE THEY ONLY FIRED UP WHEN YOUR PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE LOOKING AT TREES PZS? YES.
SO, UM, THE AIS ARE ALL THE TIME.
UM, IT, IT WAS ACTUALLY REALLY NICE TO HAVE THE PAN TILT ZOOMS, UH, WHEN WE WERE DOING THE POST PATROL, BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, GPS ON OUR PATROL VEHICLES, AND WE ALSO HAVE REAL TIME OF, OF THE SYSTEM.
SO WE WERE ABLE IN INCIDENT COMMAND TO LOOK AT, UH, THE VEHICLES WHERE THEY WERE REAL TIME,
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THE SYSTEM.AND THEN WE HAD THE PAN TILT ZOOM, AND WE COULD ACTUALLY SEE THE PATROLLER GOING BY OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE COVERING EVERYTHING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE CARD.
TIM PERRY, ASK ONE QUESTION AFTER HIS GOOD EVENING COUNSELORS.
MY NAME IS TIM PERRY, AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
THERE'S TWO BRIEF POINTS, UH, RELEVANT TO THIS, A PS POWER SHUTOFF PROGRAM THAT HAVE NOT BEEN MENTIONED HERE.
ONE IS THAT ANY ACTION TAKEN OUTTA FEAR, AND THIS IS AN ACTION TAKEN OUTTA FEAR, IS AN ACTION OF ANIMAL COWARDICE, WHICH ANY MORAL HUMAN WOULD AVOID.
THE OTHER POINT IS THAT A COMPANY WHICH IS PRESUMABLY PROVIDING A SERVICE TO ITS CUSTOMERS IN RETURN FOR MONEY, WHICH A PS IS, IS IF IT TAKES THAT SERVICE AWAY FROM THEM COMMITTING FRAUD AND THEFT AGAINST ITS CUSTOMERS.
NO COMPENSATION FOR THESE POWER SHUTOFFS WAS DISCUSSED.
NOW, OF COURSE, THIS COUNCIL IS QUITE COMFORTABLE, AS ALWAYS, WITH PARANOIA AND WITH FRAUD.
SO I'M SURE THE COUNCIL IS DELIGHTED WITH THIS PRESENTATION IN THIS PROGRAM.
BUT FROM SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE, IT COMES ACROSS AS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME.
YOU JUST WASTED 26 MINUTES OF THE PUBLIC'S TIME WHILE THEY'RE WAITING TO TALK ABOUT THE CULTURAL PARK.
CHARLOTTE, THIS IS NOT YOUR BAILIWICK, BUT DO YOU KNOW IF THERE IS A SIMILAR PROGRAM NOT TO YOUR SCALE WITH THE GAS TRANSMISSION COMPANIES GAS PIPELINE? I, I HONESTLY COULDN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, THANK YOU, FRANK.
SECOND MAYOR, WE HAVE ONE MORE CARD.
WE HAVE ONE MORE CARD FROM THE AUDIENCE.
OH, STEVE SEGMENTER, OF COURSE, COURSE YOU CAN READ IT.
IS THIS REGARDING THIS ITEM? YES.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A SECOND.
YOUR NAME AND PLACE OF RESIDENCE.
YES, STEVE EGNER, UH, RESIDENT AND BUSINESS PERSON OF SEDONA, ARIZONA, 25 YEARS.
UM, I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON MR. PERRY'S STATEMENT.
UM, HE USUALLY CALLS ME CONRAD EGNER, BUT THE NAME IS STEVE SEOR.
JUST FOR THE, JUST FOR THE RECORD, UM, I CAME FROM ALTADENA.
I WAS IN ALTADENA, CALIFORNIA FOR 30 YEARS.
UH, I SAW THE ENTIRE TOWN BURNED.
UH, I WAS VERY ACTIVE IN THAT TOWN, THE WAY I'M ACTIVE IN THIS TOWN.
I WENT THROUGH FOUR FIRES THERE, AND I WISH WE HAD THIS TYPE OF OVERSIGHT IN CALIFORNIA, AND I WISH WE HAD AN ALTADENA.
AND I WANTED TO SAY I WAS VERY IMPRESSED.
UH, I THINK THIS IS A, A GREAT, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO NOT HAVE TROUBLE DOWN THE LINE.
UH, ALL ALTADENA, 7,000 HOMES DISAPPEARED IN BUSINESSES.
IT WAS 110 MILE AN HOUR WINDS, AND IT CAME FROM A POWER LINE.
SO LET'S DON'T TAKE THIS LIGHTLY AND LET'S DON'T, UH, BE OFFHAND ABOUT IT.
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AND I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
[9.d. AB 3151 Discussion/possible action regarding the award of a construction contract for the PR-03B Improvements at Ranger Station Park – Interior Restoration of House & Barn to EDGE Construction, LLC in the amount of $981,319.00.]
UP THIS NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE AWARD OF A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR PR ZERO THREE B, IMPROVEMENTS AT RANGER STATION PARK, INTERIOR RESTORATION OF HOUSE AND BARN TO EDGE CONSTRUCTION, LLC IN THE AMOUNT OF $981,319.LARRY, ARE YOU THE PRESENTER HERE? YES, I'M THE PRESENTER TONIGHT.
SO, UM, WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF IAN, JOSH, KURT, DO YOU NEED A CHAIR? BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT, UM, APRIL 20TH TO THE ENGINEERING ROAD SHOW AT THE RANGER STATION PARK.
IT WAS NICE TO SEE, TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED.
ONE MORE TIME FOR THIS GREAT PROJECT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE AUDIENCE BENEFIT.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE AWARD WE RECEIVED? YEAH, SO THROUGH THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION, UM, THEY TRAVEL AROUND CELEBRATING THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS FROM A ENGINEERING ASPECT.
SO, UH, WE HAVE A FLOOD PLAIN THAT RUNS THROUGH, UH, THE RANGER STATION PARK, AND THAT WAS DESIGNED TO HANDLE AND BASICALLY RETAIN WATER THAT MAY OTHERWISE RUN OFF TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT THAT AWARD WAS ABOUT, AND THAT'S
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WHAT THEY WERE CELEBRATING THE ENGINEERING ASPECT OF THE PROJECT.WHEN WE GOT A PLAQUE AND A, OH, YEAH, WE GOT A PLAQUE TO GO WITH THE OTHER TWO AWARDS.
ANYWAYS, UH, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT, UH, MOVING THE RANGER STATION PARK, UM, FORWARD BY DOING THE INTERIOR RENOVATIONS OF THE HOUSE IN BARN.
UM, SO THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS DEVELOPED.
UH, THE CITY TOOK OVER THE PROPERTY IN 2014.
UH, WE DID HAZARDOUS MITIGATION IN 2017, REPLACED THE ROOF 2017.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WE DID, UH, PARTIAL BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN PASS, AND THEN WE, OF COURSE, RESTORED THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE AND BARN.
UM, AND THEN NOW WE'RE MOVING INTO ALMOST THE FINAL PHASE OF THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE AND BARN.
SO THIS SLIDE HERE SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE HOUSE AND BARN.
THE HOUSE IS JUST NORTH OF BREWER ROAD, AND THE BARN IS JUST SOUTH OF IT.
UM, SO THESE ARE THE, THESE ARE SOME OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS IN THE HOUSE.
UH, WE'VE DONE PARTIAL DEMOLITION JUST TO GET A LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE TO SEE IF IT WAS STRUCTURALLY SOUND, WHICH IT IS.
UM, GO AHEAD, HIT THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND, UM, THE HOUSE ITSELF IS 987 SQUARE FEET.
WE WILL BE RECONFIGURING, UM, WALLS WITHIN THE HOUSE TO BE BROUGHT UP TO MODERN, UH, CODE.
SO THIS, THE HOUSE WILL BE A DA COMPLIANT, IT WILL BE AN EVENT SPACE.
UM, SO THINK WEDDINGS, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, THIS TYPE OF THING.
BUT IT'S ALSO GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY OF THE PARK.
UH, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH, UM, THE JORDAN HERITAGE MUSEUM TO GET SOME ARTWORK IN THERE TO SHOW THE STORY OF THE PARK ITSELF.
SO HERE YOU SEE THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE HOUSE.
UM, IT'S GOING TO HAVE A MEETING SPACE, BASICALLY WHERE THE BEDROOM IS.
UH, WE WILL HAVE AN UPDATED MODERN, UH, KITCHENETTE, UM, A DA BATHROOM, AND THEN MORE MEETING SPACE IN THE BACK PATIO AREA, ALONG WITH THE HISTORICAL PORTION OF THAT IN THE FRONT LIVING ROOM TOWARDS THE OLD KITCHEN AREA.
UM, THE HOUSE WILL FEATURE A DA ACCESS EVENT, SPACE, COMMUNITY MEETING, SPACE, KITCHENETTE, CLIMATE CONTROL, AND HISTORIC HISTORY OF THE PARK.
SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE BARN, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN ALMOST FULLY, UM, DEMOLISHED OR, YES, RENOVATED.
UM, WE WILL BE OPENING UP THE SPACE A LITTLE BIT.
THE WALL THAT YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT WILL BE REMOVED, AND THEN THE WALL BEHIND THAT WILL BE OPENED UP TO CREATE A LARGER EVENT SPACE.
HERE WE HAVE MORE OF THE SAME.
THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS WHERE THE EVENT STORAGE WILL BE.
SO THINK TABLES, CHAIRS, UH, IF IT'S A CATERED EVENT, UH, THERE'LL BE FACILITIES IN THE BACK, UH, HAND SINK, UH, JANITORIAL SINK, DRINKING FOUNTAIN, THIS TYPE OF THING.
UH, THE BARN FEATURES, OF COURSE, A DA ACCESS EVENT SPACE, HIGH-LOW DRINKING FOUNTAIN, AND MODERN LIGHTING.
HERE WE HAVE THE LAYOUT OF THE BARN.
UH, YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT OF THE FLOOR PLAN, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE'LL BE OPENING UP THE WALL, UH, TO CREATE A PASS THROUGH.
UM, JUST TO BE ABLE TO CREATE MORE EVENT SPACE.
UH, THE BARN IS NOT GOING TO HAVE CLIMATE CONTROL RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT IT WILL HAVE IS IT'LL HAVE 3 84 INCH CEILING FANS THAT WILL CIRCULATE THE AIR.
UM, REGARDING THE CLIMATE CONTROL, WE ARE CURRENTLY INVESTIGATING, UM, THE PLAUSIBILITY OF IT, UH, AND THE PRICE.
WE'RE WORKING WITH SOME ENGINEERS, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
GOING A LONG WAY, GOING BACKWARDS.
SO HERE YOU SEE, UH, A DRONE PHOTO OF OUR PLAYGROUND, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY WELL RECEIVED.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE FUTURE UPDATES WE HAVE, JOSH, IS THE SHADE STRUCTURE THAT WE GOING OVER THAT, UH, BID.
SO WE ADVERTISED FOR BIDS IN MARCH.
UM, WE OPENED BIDS ON APRIL 8TH.
UH, WE RECEIVED TWO BIDS, BUT WHEN THE BIDS WERE SENT OUT, WE HAD 299 VENDORS NOTIFIED OF THE BID.
58 VENDORS DOWNLOADED THE PLANS AND BID DOCUMENTS.
WE RECEIVED TWO BIDS, UH, ONE FROM EDGE CONSTRUCTION FOR 981,319, AND THEN ONE FROM SHF INTERNATIONAL FOR 990,000, $97 AND 74 CENTS.
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OKAY, SO OUR PROJECT OUTREACH EFFORTS, UH, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY ON THE PROPERTY, THE HORSE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION ON PROPERTY, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ON PROPERTY.UH, WE'VE MET WITH LOS ADOS AND EL PORTEL, UH, WHO FULLY SUPPORT THE PARK, UM, TO SCHEDULE.
UH, CONSTRUCTION TIMEFRAME FOR THIS PROJECT IS 150 DAYS.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT STARTING IN EARLY JUNE, IF NOT SOONER, UH, PENDING COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, OF COURSE, AND THE PARK WILL REMAIN OPEN WITH SAFETY MEASURES AROUND THE CONSTRUCTION SITE ITSELF.
ANY QUESTIONS? I SAID IT WAS GONNA BE A SHORT PRESENTATION.
I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FROM THE PUBLIC.
OH, I DO HAVE A CARD FROM THE PUBLIC.
I HAVE A COUPLE, UH, ED KETTLER FOLLOWED BY STEVE NER.
I'M LOOKING AT A PROJECT PLAN TO RENOVATE ABOUT 3000 SQUARE FEET AND ACROSS TWO BUILDINGS WITH AN EYE WATERING, ALMOST MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET REQUEST FOR THIS.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT IF I WENT TO MY WIFE WITH A MILLION DOLLARS TO RENOVATE THAT MUCH, UH, I WOULD BE, UH, NOT MAKE MY 44TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY.
UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS BID STUFF, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE KNOWS THAT THE BUDGET'S A MILLION DOLLARS AND IT'S A GAME.
HOW FAR DOWN THE RATCHET CAN I GET CLOSE TO A MILLION AND NOT QUITE MAKE IT AND MAKE SURE I GET THE LOW BID? THIS IS, UH, AN EGREGIOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO SPEND ON 3000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS MOSTLY OPEN SPACE.
YOU REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AND MAKE A DECISION.
STEVE EGNER, STEVE EGNER, RESIDENT SEDONA.
UM, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT PROBABLY SINCE ITS INCEPTION, 10 YEARS PROBABLY.
THE CITY'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF OUTREACH.
WE'VE MET WITH CITY PEOPLE AT LEAST A DOZEN TIMES.
UH, WE'VE GOTTEN COMMUNITY INPUT FROM EVERYBODY AROUND US.
UM, IT DIDN'T TURN OUT THE WAY I WANTED IT, BUT I THINK IT TURNED OUT 90% THE WAY I WANTED IT, AND THAT'S NOT, THAT'S, I THINK THEY DID A GOOD JOB.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE RESTROOMS PRETTY QUICK, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE A SHADE STRUCTURE, BUT I THINK THIS IS A, A BEAUTIFUL PARK.
UM, WE ALSO WORK WITH THE CITY.
WE HAVE A, A GROUP NOW THAT'S WORKING ON SIGN NEEDS, AND I THINK THIS WILL BE A GREAT AREA TO PUT SIGNS SO PEOPLE CAN WALK FROM ALAK AROUND THE AREA AND THE SIGNS CAN BE CHANGED OUT AND TELL ABOUT THE HISTORY OF SEDONA.
SO THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE PRICE, I DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE REALIZE HERE HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO DO THINGS IN, IN THIS TOWN.
UH, I BUILT SOME, UH, EMPLOYEE HOUSING JUST UP THE STREET ON BREWER ROAD, A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, AND IT COST ME $600 A SQUARE FOOT, AND WE OWN THE LAND.
IT'S JUST AMAZINGLY EXPENSIVE TO DO ANYTHING HERE.
I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE AROUND A HUNDRED YEARS.
I THINK IT'S WORTH INVESTING THE MONEY.
UH, JOSH, IAN, ANY ONE OF YOU? KURT, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT HOW THIS WAS BID AND WHETHER THESE FOLKS WERE SPECIALTY FOLKS FOR RESTORING HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES? DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THE BIDDING? SORRY.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL IAN KRA, PURCHASING MANAGER.
UM, SO FOR THIS, WE FOLLOWED OUR, OUR STANDARD BID PROCEDURES OUTLINED IN TITLE 34 OF THE ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES.
UM, WE DID HAVE ONSITE VISIT TO HELP US GAUGE CONTRACTOR INTEREST, UH, TO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE, UM, SPECIFIC CONTRACTORS.
DEFINITELY, UH, CONTRACTORS TEND TO SPECIALIZE IN CERTAIN TYPES OF PROJECTS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS, UH, STANDARD ACROSS DIFFERENT DISCIPLINES.
UM, AS FAR AS THE BIDDING PROCESS ITSELF, THERE WERE NO IRREGULARITIES OR ISSUES THAT I SEE.
SO, UH, WHEN I WAS VETTING, UM, EDGE CONSTRUCTION, I SPOKE TO THE OWNER, UH, MARSHALL WITTIG, AND I ASKED HIM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAD ANY HISTORICAL EXPERIENCE,
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UH, THAT THEY MAY HAVE NOT HAVE LISTED.IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT THEY HAD, UH, HISTORICAL EXPERIENCE, BUT WHAT THEY HAVE DONE, UH, THEY'VE DONE A COUPLE PROJECTS, UH, MOST NOTABLY, ONE WAS IN, UH, PARKS, ARIZONA FOR, EXCUSE ME, ONE MOMENT, UH, FOR THE MAIN UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UH, THIS FACILITY WAS BUILT IN 1940.
SO WHAT THEY DID WAS SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT WE'VE DONE TO THE RANGER STATION PARK.
THEY BASICALLY PRESERVED THE EXTERIOR WHILE MODERNIZING THE INTERIOR.
SO, UH, THEN THEY ALSO DID, UM, THE, UH, MILE HIGH MIDDLE SCHOOL IN PRESCOTT, UH, WHICH WAS BUILT IN THE THIRTIES AND THE FORTIES, AND THEY DID A SIMILAR PROJECT THERE.
SO THEY SEEM TO BE VERY REPUTABLE.
THEY WERE CHECKS THROUGH THE ROC.
THEY'VE BEEN IN BUS BUSINESS FOR 17 YEARS WITHOUT ONE COMPLAINT.
SO I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT WITH EDGE CONSTRUCTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WOULD JUST ADD THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS TO THE ARCHITECT OF GIVING THE BEST PRICE OF HIS PROFESSIONAL OPINION, AND IT SHOWS WITHIN THE RELATIVE CLOSENESS OF THE TWO BIDS THAT THIS IS A GOOD VALUE ESTIMATE AND WE SUPPORT IT.
HENRY SILBERG, RESIDENT OF SEDONA.
I WON'T TAKE A LOT OF YOUR TIME.
I WANTED TO ADDRESS WHAT STEVE NER SAID ABOUT BUILDING FROM GROUND UP AS OPPOSED TO WORKING INSIDE AND RENOVATING.
THE COSTS ARE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.
TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, A MILLION DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY.
THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO TELL YOU.
UH, TEAM, CAN YOU TALK AT ALL ABOUT WHAT LEADS TO THESE EYE-POPPING COSTS AT TIMES OF WORKING WITH A MUNICIPALITY AS OPPOSED TO, UH, A, YOU KNOW, A RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION PROJECT? BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE.
I'VE THROWN YOUR WAY ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION, AND SOME OF IT HAS TO DO WITH BONDING.
SOME OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE GUARANTEES, UM, LIQUIDATED DAMAGES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THAT ENTERS INTO THE COSTS THAT, THAT WE FACE AS A MUNICIPALITY VERSUS A RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION PROJECT? YEAH, GO.
SO FOR, FOR THESE CONTRACTORS TO EVEN BID ON THESE PROJECTS, THEY HAVE TO PUT UP A BID BOND.
SO THEY'RE GEN, THEY'RE BASICALLY SPENDING MONEY JUST TO HAVE THE, THE, THE RIGHT TO BID THE PROJECT.
NOW, OF COURSE, THAT, UH, PROTECTS THE CITY.
SO IF WE WERE TO AWARD A CONTRACT, AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE, NO, NO, NO, NO, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE COMPENSATED THROUGH THAT BID BOND.
NOW, ONCE THEY GET THROUGH THAT, UM, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, PROVIDE ANOTHER BOND DURING CONSTRUCTION, UH, WHICH ADDS TO THEIR COST.
UM, THE CONSTRUCTION SITE SAFETY ASPECT OF IT, AND THE INSURANCE THAT THESE CONTRACTORS HAVE TO CARRY TO MEET THE CITY OF SEDONAS, UH, REQUIREMENTS ARE PRETTY EXTENSIVE.
SO, UM, IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN GO OUT AND GET SOME OF OUR LOCAL CONTRACTORS TO COME AND DO THIS TYPE OF WORK.
WE NEED A GENERAL CONTRACTOR, OF COURSE, WHO'S GOING TO USE THE SUBCONTRACTORS.
UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL CHALLENGES.
UM, THE CITY IN, I BELIEVE 19, UM, PARDON ME, 2017, INSTALLED A SEWER LINE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN IN PRIOR PROJECTS, WE HAVE BROUGHT THE POTABLE WATER TO JUST OUTSIDE THE BARN AND THE HOUSE.
SO THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING IN THE SITE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING IN THE UTILITY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING IN THE WATER.
UM, WITH THE BARN ESPECIALLY, WE'RE GONNA BE EXCAVATING DOWN, I BELIEVE, SIX TO EIGHT FEET TO GET TO THE SEWER, AND THEN FOUR FEET FOR THE WATER, AND THEN ACTUALLY GET IT IN THE BUILDING.
NOW ON THE HOUSE, THE UTILITY THERE, THAT SEWER PIPE IS MUCH DEEPER.
WE'RE LOCKING 12, 14 FEET DEEP.
UM, THE WATER'S A LITTLE DEEPER THERE TOO.
AND THEN WE'LL BE TRENCHING FROM BASICALLY THE SUP TO THE HOUSE AND THE BARN JUST TO GET THE UTILITY THERE.
NOW, INSIDE THE HOUSE AND THE BARN, THERE'S, THERE IS, THERE'S NO PLUMBING.
THERE'S, WELL, THERE'S ELECTRICAL, BUT THERE'S NO SEWER, NONE FROM THAT.
SO WE'RE RECREATING THAT FROM SCRATCH.
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CONTRACTOR'S TAKING, WORKING WITH SUCH AN OLD STRUCTURE, UH, YOU KNOW, IF FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE TO WIDEN THE FRONT DOOR TO THE BARN, UH, TO BE A DA COMPLIANT.SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE RUNNING THE RISK OF CUTTING INTO THE STRUCTURE.
WHAT IS GONNA BE DAMAGE? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE RETROFITTED, THIS TYPE OF THING.
NOW THE FIXTURES AND THE FINISHES THAT WE ARE CHOOSING ARE GONNA BE PERIOD, CORRECT.
BUT MODERN FIXTURES, SO, YOU KNOW, AND THEY WE'RE ON A BUILDING PERMIT, SO THEY HAVE TO PASS ALL OF THEIR INSPECTIONS.
IT'S JUST ALL, THIS IS HOW THESE COSTS JUST START TO TOTAL UP, TALLY UP.
COULD I CIRCLE BACK? SO A LITTLE MORE DIRECTLY TO THE QUESTION BY COUNSELOR LTZ, UH, VICE MAYOR VOLZ, SORRY.
UM, THERE ARE COMPLEXITIES RELATED TO MUNICIPAL WORK VERSUS, YOU KNOW, YOUR SMALLER PROJECTS.
UM, LARRY TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE WORK ALSO IS, IS A LITTLE COMPLICATED COMPARED TO A STANDARD PROJECT THAT COULD BE DRIVING UP SOME COSTS.
BUT IN GENERAL, YES, BONDING, THERE'S MULTIPLE BONDS THAT A, THAT A CONTRACTOR'S GONNA NEED TO PROVIDE FOR WHEN THEY BID MUNICIPAL WORK.
A LOT OF THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE COMING FROM STATE STATUTE, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS, THE CITY HAS TO, UH, ABIDE BY.
AS WELL AS WE TALKED ABOUT INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS, A LOT OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS IS VERY SPECIFIC AND PROBABLY MORE TEDIOUS THAN WHAT A PRIVATE, UH, CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD GO THROUGH.
SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE LAYERS OF COMPLEXITY THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH CITY PROJECTS, AND IT'S NOT A, SOMETHING THE CITY CAN WAIVE.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE STATE STATUTE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY.
SO YES, TO YOUR POINT, THESE MUNICIPAL PAR UH, PROJECTS ARE GONNA BE MORE COSTLY THAN WHAT YOU STAND, UH, WHAT YOU TYPICALLY WOULD SEE WITH A, UH, A SMALLER PRIVATE TYPE OF PROJECT.
UM, I THINK THERE ARE TWO THINGS WE'RE HEARING FROM A LOT OF RESIDENTS.
ONE OF THEM BEING THEY DON'T LIKE THE PRICE, BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE COMMUNITY SPACE.
UH, THIS IS GONNA PROVIDE THAT, UH, IT'S GONNA COMPLIMENT THE PARK THAT I THINK THE CITY'S DONE A FANTASTIC JOB ON.
THIS ALL STARTED, BUT WHEN I WAS ON THE PRESERVATION COMMISSION YEARS AGO, AND, UH, IT, NONE OF THIS LOOKED ANYTHING LIKE THIS BACK THEN.
AND I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S COMING ALONG NICELY.
SO YEAH, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE GOOD FOR COMMUNITY SPACE.
UM, THE OTHER POINT I, AND I'VE HEARD A LOT FROM THE COMMUNITY, IS RESPECTING SEDONAS HERITAGE, UM, THAT BARN, BUT NOT THE BARN.
THE, UH, THE RANGER STATION'S BEEN THERE BEFORE ANY OF US HAVE EVEN BEEN ALIVE.
UM, THE BARN, MAYBE A CLOSER CALL.
THERE MAY BE A FEW OF US WHO, WHO ARE OLDER THAN THE BARN, BUT, UH, THEY'VE BEEN A PART OF SEDONA HERITAGE, UH, LONG BEFORE VIRTUALLY ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S HERE.
UH, SO I WANT TO SEE US RESPECT THAT.
I WANNA SEE US PRESERVE THOSE BUILDINGS, UH, AND PART OF PRESERVING THOSE MEANS, MAKING THEM USEFUL.
UH, IF THEY'RE NOT USEFUL TO PEOPLE, THEN PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOSE INTEREST IN THEM, AND THEY'RE GONNA FALL BY THE WAYSIDE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET MAINTAINED.
SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD OR POTENTIALLY MOVING FORWARD TO CLEAN THESE THINGS UP AND MAKE 'EM USABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
NORMALLY, WHEN WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, THIS IS FOR THE, FOR THE AUDIENCE.
WHEN IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL, WE'VE SHUT DOWN THE PUBLIC COMMENT, SO THERE IS NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ARE YOU READY FOR A VOTE? WHO'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
I NEED TO PULL IT BACK UP ON MY SCREEN.
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AB 33, 36, 38.[9.c. AB 3338 Discussion/possible action/direction regarding the results of the Western Gateway opinion poll and next steps.]
DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION DIRECTION REGARDING THE RESULTS OF THE WESTERN GATEWAY OPINION POLL AND NEXT STEPS.IT JUST HAS TO BE PULLED BACK UP.
JUST MAKE SURE FROM YOUR SHOULDER.
SO WHILE WE'RE WAITING, ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE, PLEASE WRITE A CARD.
I'LL ALSO SAY, WELL, I HAVE A MINUTE THAT, UH, IF YOU, I ASSUME WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF CARDS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION.
SO DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF CARDS, I MIGHT SWITCH FROM THREE MINUTES TO TWO MINUTES.
IF YOU ARE SAYING THE SAME THING AS THE PERSON BEFORE YOU AND YOU HAVE NOTHING NEW TO ADD, JUST SAY, I AGREE WITH THE PERSON BEFORE ME, I SUPPORT, OR I'M IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE.
SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A DISCUSSION, GET TO THE NEXT STEPS WHILE YOU'RE, IT'S STILL DAYLIGHT OUT,
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, AND CITY COUNCILORS.
FOR THIS ITEM, WE'RE HERE TO GO OVER THE RESULTS OF THE WESTERN GATEWAY POLL THAT YOU ALL REQUESTED.
SPECIFICALLY, YOU ASKED FOR A POLL WITH THREE QUESTIONS THAT WAS SENT TO EVERY REGISTERED VOTER IN CITY LIMITS 7,035 IN TOTAL.
FOR CONTEXT, THIS WAS AFTER THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS FOR THE SITE WAS PAUSED LAST YEAR AT THE DIRECTION OF CITY COUNCIL WITH MANY MEETINGS WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND RESIDENTS THROUGHOUT THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS.
THE RESULTS FROM TONIGHT COMPLEMENT THIS PRIOR EFFORT BY PROVIDING ADDITIONAL CLARITY ON HOW VOTERS FEEL ABOUT USES AT THE 41 ACRE CITY OWNED SITE.
WITH THAT INTRODUCTION, I'M GONNA HAND IT OFF TO PAUL BEN, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT RESEARCH AND STRATEGY WITH HIGH GROUND, WHO EXECUTED THE POLL WHEN HE'S DONE.
I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH ASKING WHAT NEXT STEPS YOU WOULD LIKE STAFF TO FOLLOW.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY.
IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE IN PERSON.
UH, WE DID CONDUCT A VOTER SURVEY.
THIS SPECIFICALLY, WE'LL, WE WILL GO THROUGH THE AGE DEMOGRAPHICS.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT IN A, IN A MOMENT, BUT I WILL SAY AT THE OUTSET HERE, UH, THE SURVEY WAS CONDUCTED AND, AND SENT OUT VIA DIRECT MAIL TO ALL 7,000, UH, REGISTERED VOTERS.
THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER ENTER IN THE, EITHER VIA QR CODE AND OR, UH, BY ENTERING THE ACTUAL URL IN TO TAKE THE SURVEY.
IT WAS INDIVIDUALLY, UH, MATCHED TO EACH VOTER'S, UH, VOTER NUMBER SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE DID NOT HAVE SOMEBODY TAKE THE SURVEY MORE THAN ONCE, MAKE SURE THAT A HOUSEHOLD, IF THEY HAD MORE THAN ONE VOTER, THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER IT MORE THAN ONCE.
BUT TO, UH, ENSURE THAT WE GAVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SURVEY, I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF EAGERNESS, UH, TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
A LOT OF, UH, PEOPLE, UH, CALLING UP TO GET HELP, MAKE SURE THAT THEIR URL WAS WORKING CORRECTLY.
AND A, A LOT OF, UH, ENTHUSIASM, UH, JUST FOR CONTEXT, 1,620 RESPONSES FOR A SURVEY IS AN INCREDIBLY LARGE AMOUNT.
WHEN WE DO TELEPHONIC SURVEYS, OUR TYPICAL TELEPHONIC SURVEY AUDIENCES SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 400 AND 500, WHICH IS A MARGIN OF ERROR OF BETWEEN 4.3 AND 4.9.
UH, HAVING 1,620 RESPONDENTS TAKE THE SURVEY GIVES US A MARGIN OF ERROR OF 2.4 POINTS, UH, PLUS OR MINUS ON EACH ONE OF THESE QUESTIONS.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A ABSOLUTE WITH 23% RESPONSE RATE, HIGHER EVEN THAN MOST, UH, MALE SURVEYS THAT WE TAKE.
IF YOU, YOU CAN GET A 10% RESPONSE RATE.
SO HENCE OFF TO THE COMMUNITY.
I KNOW, UH, THIS IS A HOT TOPIC.
I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY, BUT JUST FROM A PURE RESPONSE LEVEL, IT'S AN INCREDIBLY HIGH RESPONSE ONTO THE DEMOGRAPHICS.
I KNOW THERE WAS A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WE DID REGISTERED VOTERS.
SO TO START WITH, I, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE CENSUS NUMBERS OF THERE'S ABOUT 9,600, ALMOST 9,700, UH, RESIDENTS ACCORDING TO THE US CENSUS.
IT MIGHT BE HIGHER OR LOWER ON ANY GIVEN DAY, BUT USING THE 2024 CENSUS NUMBERS, HERE'S HOW THE AGE BREAKDOWN WORKS WITHIN THE CENSUS, YOU HAVE ABOUT 45% OVER THE AGE OF 65.
ANOTHER 27% IN THAT 50 TO 64 RANGE, ABOUT 7% IN THE 40 TO 49, 12% IN THAT 30 TO 39.
SO THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE 30 YEAR OLDS THAN 40 YEAR OLDS,
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INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, AND THEN ABOUT 9% UNDER THE AGE OF 29, AND THIS IS THE 18 AND OVER POPULATION BAR, THIS IS, DOES NOT, UM, UNDER THE AGE OF 18, YOU CAN'T REGISTER TO VOTE.SO JUST GIVING AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON THERE.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL VOTER REGISTRATION, A A FEW THINGS THAT YOU'LL NOTE, ONLY ABOUT 70% OF YOUR POPULATION'S REGISTERED TO VOTE, AND THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD COMPARED TO, UH, THE STATE.
UH, THAT'S ABOUT THE SIMILAR NUMBER THERE.
IN FACT, WHAT I ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY IS THREE OUT OF EVERY 10 AND SAY, OF COURSE, OF COURSE I'M REGISTERED TO VOTE, ARE ACTUALLY LYING TO YOU BECAUSE ONLY ABOUT 70% OF THE ADULT POPULATIONS REGISTERED TO VOTE.
WHEN YOU DO THAT, IT TRENDS A LITTLE BIT OLDER.
SO YOU CAN SEE ABOUT 61% OF YOUR VOTERS ARE OVER THE AGE OF 65, ANOTHER 20%, 50 TO 64 7%, THAT 40 TO 49.
THAT NEXT COLUMN, THERE ARE LIKELY VOTERS.
THE QUESTION THAT IS, UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT VOTER TURNOUT AND IN ACTUAL PARTICIPATION ELECTIONS, WHEN YOU HEAR A VOTER PER TURNOUT IN A, SAY A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION OF 78%, OR IN THIS MIDTERM ELECTION, UH, GUBERNATORIAL CYCLE, IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT 65%.
BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE LIKELY VOTERS, PART OF OF THE REASON WE DO THAT IS BECAUSE ONLY ABOUT 70% OR SO OF VOTERS PARTICIPATE IN ANY GIVEN ELECTION.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK AT AS THE OVERALL AUDIENCE THAT, UH, TYPICALLY WHEN I DO THESE TYPES OF SURVEYS THAT WE IDENTIFY, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT TREND'S EVEN A LITTLE BIT OLDER AT ABOUT 65%.
WE DID NOT BALANCE OR APPLY ANY WEIGHTING TO THE SURVEY RESULTS THAT I'M PRESENTING TONIGHT.
THIS IS THE FULL RESPONSE OF THE FULL 1600, AND WE DIDN'T APPLY ANY WEIGHTING TO IT, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, ALMOST NEARLY IDENTICALLY REPLICATES WHAT THE LIKELY VOTER AUDIENCE LOOKS LIKE FROM AN AGE PERSPECTIVE.
UM, THAT'S PRETTY, UH, I, I FIND IT INTERESTING, BUT IT ALSO, IT IS REFLECTIVE OF THAT, THAT PASSION THAT YOU SEE, THE, OF THE PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP FOR THE ELECTIONS IS THE PASSION THAT WE SEE THAT'S REFLECTIVE IN THE OVERALL RESPONSES IN THE SURVEYS.
AND IN FACT, THIS, UM, IS A VERY ACCURATE RESPONSE OF WHAT THE OVERALL VOTERS LOOK AT AND WHAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE.
UM, SO GIVING THAT, WE JUST WALKED THROUGH THE AGE DEMOGRAPHICS OF IT.
UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT GENDER PARTY AREA, UH, THOSE ARE ALL PRETTY REFLECTIVE OF THE OVERALL AUDIENCE AS WELL.
I DO LIST PARTY, I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT'S BEEN POSED.
IT IS PART OF THE ACTUAL FILE VOTER REGISTRATION.
HOW YOU'RE REGISTERED IS A PUBLIC PIECE OF INFORMATION.
WE KNOW HOW YOU'RE REGISTERED, HOW OLD YOU ARE.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW YOU VOTED, BUT WE DO, I I THINK IT'S A RELEVANT STAT.
IT, IT MAKES SURE THAT YOU HAVE A REFLECTIVE AUDIENCE, UM, THAT'S BALANCED BASED ON THE OVERALL DEMOGRAPHICS.
AND SO I WILL SAY FROM A RESPONSE STANDPOINT, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, DATA IS VERY REFLECTIVE OF WHAT A TYPICAL VOTE WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY WOULD LOOK LIKE OR WHAT THE OVERALL JUST ELECTORATE, YOU KNOW, IN WHO PARTICIPATE IN THESE TYPES OF ELECTIONS.
AND, AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
OUR ORIGINAL TASK WHEN WE, WHEN WE SAT DOWN TO LOOK THROUGH A, A BRIEF SURVEY THAT GOT SOME AFFORDABLE DATA THAT, THAT HELPED YOU NAVIGATE SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS, WAS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND SORT OF REFLECT THAT.
SO WE START WITH THE OVERALL, AND THIS IS THE SAME THING THAT WE DO FOR MOST MUNICIPALITIES.
IF IT WERE A BOND PROGRAM, YOU DON'T START WITH THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS WITHIN THE BOND.
YOU'D ASK, WOULD YOU SUPPORT A STREETS BOND OR WOULD YOU SUPPORT A PUBLIC SAFETY BOND? UH, WOULD YOU SUPPORT A A PARTICULAR PLAN THAT IS INCLUDED, ESPECIALLY WITH MIXED USE.
WHEN WE DO MIXED USE, YOU PRESENT THE DATA AS A, AS A COLLECTIVE TO AT THE START SO THAT YOU'RE NOT INTRODUCING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
YOU'RE TRYING TO GET A GAUGE OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE AT AT THE START.
SO THAT'S WHY WE MENTIONED THE LOCATION OF IT AND WHAT WAS, YOU KNOW, GAUGING SOME PUBLIC INTEREST ON THE POSSIBLE USES.
SO ONTO THE NEXT ONE, WE, WE GAVE THEM AN OUTLINE, AND THAT DOES INCLUDE A COUPLE OF, UH, DIFFERENT AREAS SO THAT IT IS A MIXED USE PLAN.
SO WE WANTED TO REFLECT THE MIXED USE NATURE OF IT WITHOUT GOING INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL.
IN FACT, ONE OF THE VERSIONS WE HAD TO JUST GO VISIT THE WEBSITE TO SEE 'EM.
WE ACTUALLY PUT THAT AT THE END AS FOLLOW UP, I BELIEVE IN CASE PEOPLE WANTED TO LEARN MORE, BUT INSTEAD OF TRYING TO HAVE PEOPLE LEAVE THE SURVEY, I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT AS A GROUP AND WE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO LEAVE AND NOT COME BACK.
SO WE GAVE THEM A GENERAL DESCRIPTION THAT INCLUDED HOUSING, COMMERCIAL, RETAIL, AND A COMMUNITY AREA THAT CONTAINS AN EVENT SPACE FOR PUBLIC GATHERINGS AND PERFORMANCES.
SO THAT WAS OUR INITIAL QUESTION.
THEN WE DRILLED DOWN ON THE VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE PRO OF THE PROGRAM, AND THEN WE DID A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT THE AMPHITHEATER.
AND THAT'S SORT OF THE GOAL OF STARTING BROADER WITH A, A, A GENERAL PLAN HERE.
AND THEN GOING DOWN INTO SOME OF THE DETAILS, SEE WHAT WAS, WHAT MOTIVATED PEOPLE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND THEN, UH, END WITH THE AMPHITHEATER.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS NUMBER HERE WE START, WE HAVE ABOUT 44% SUPPORT TO 48% OPPOSE.
AND WITHIN THAT MARGIN OF ERROR, THIS IS BASICALLY A STATISTICAL TIE WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THIS THERE.
I KNOW WE LIKE TO SEE POLLING.
WE HOPE THAT POLLING GIVES 50% PLUS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
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WHEN IT, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS DATA THAT IT'S A PRETTY EVEN SPLIT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, I'M SURE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY FELT IN TALKING WITH FOLKS.BUT AS WE LOOK THROUGH THIS DATA, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE SPOTS WHERE THE SPLIT TAKES PLACE.
UH, IT TRENDS WITH SOME SUPPORT AMONG SOME OF THE YOUNGER DEMOGRAPHICS, PARTICULARLY AMONG THE AGE UNDER THE AGE OF 49.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, THE VOTING AUDIENCE TRENDS A LITTLE BIT OLDER.
AND SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE OPPOSITION TRENDS IN THE 65 AND OLDER CATEGORY FROM A PARTISAN PERSPECTIVE, NOT SURPRISING IN THIS DAY AND AGE IN POLITICS, WE DO SEE SOME DISPARATE SIDES, ONE SIDE MORE, UH, ALIGNED WITH ONE THAN THE OTHER.
AND THEN WE SEE, UM, OTHER, AND SO INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH BOTH YAVAPAI COUNTY AND COCONINO COUNTY, UM, OTHER, AND P AND D WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER SORT OF INDEPENDENCE, BUT BASED ON HOW THEY'RE REGISTERED AND WHERE THEY ARE, WE DON'T HAVE AN INDEPENDENT PARTY.
I'M OTHER, I'M NOT OF A PARTY.
AND SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, BUT THOSE TOGETHER WOULD BE SORT OF MORE OF THE INDEPENDENT AS YOU WOULD LOOK AT IT.
UM, THE PARTY NOT DECLARED, UH, LEANING A LITTLE MORE TOWARDS THE OPPOSITION.
AND THEN THE REMAININGS, EVERYBODY ELSE, IT'S THE SMALLER SEGMENTS, NO LABELS.
IT IS, UH, THE GREEN PARTY, IT'S LIBERTARIAN, ALL THE SMALLER PARTIES THAT MAKE UP ONE OR 2% OF THE OVERALL AUDIENCE.
SO YOU REALLY DO HAVE, UNIQUE TO YOU, IF WE WERE TO DO THIS ON A BROADER PERSPECTIVE, GENERALLY WE KIND OF COLLAPSE THOSE DOWN.
BUT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE DIFFERENT COUNTIES INVOLVED, UH, WE SORT OF SPLIT THOSE UP AFTER THAT.
WE DID THE OVERALL, UM, PROJECTS.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
AND THE IDEA BEHIND THESE IS THESE WERE RANDOMIZED.
UM, WE, WE PUT THESE UP IN THIS ORDER, PARDON ME.
AND, UH, WE ASKED THEM ON THOSE SCALE OF ONE TO FIVE, WHICH IS THE LIKERT SCALE.
SO WE START WITH A YES NO, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING, SORT OF LIKE APPROVAL RATINGS.
I USED TO DO APPROVAL RATINGS ON A FIVE POINT SCALE AS WELL, AND PEOPLE SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, SO AND SO'S APPROVAL RATINGS AT 3.5.
AND THEY, EVERYONE WOULD SAY, WELL, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT 'EM ON THE NATIONAL NEWS, OTHER PLACES, IT'S, THEY'VE GOT A 54% APPROVAL RATING OR THEY GOT A 32%, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THOSE SORT OF THE FOUR POINT SCALE FOR YESES AND NOS.
BUT UM, FOR THE ACTUAL PROJECT PIECE OF THIS, WHAT WE DO INSTEAD OF A SCALE OF ONE TO FIVE, AND THAT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT THESE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS, SORT OF AS, AS A, UM, TOTAL IMPORTANT VERSUS TOTAL NOT IMPORTANT, TAKING OUT THE NEUTRALS.
NOW, UM, YOUR MEAN SCORES DO NOT INCLUDE THE, I DON'T KNOWS THE MEAN SCORES, JUST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WEIGH IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO THE CLOSER TO THREE, THE CLOSER SORT OF THINK OF IT AS A STAR RATING OR A YELP RATING.
THE CLO, THE HIGHER YOU GO, THE, THE MORE REGARDED IT IS, THE BETTER STAR RATING IT WOULD BE IF YOU WERE TO, TO GIVE IT A REVIEW, UH, THE CLOSER IT IS TO ONE, THE, THE LESS REGARDED THAT IT IS.
AND SO, UM, WE TESTED A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT SAY MAYBE THE SAME THING.
UM, HOUSING VERSUS APARTMENTS AND TOWN HOMES WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE IF PEOPLE SAW THAT THERE WAS SOME SORT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
UM, YOU BE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S DIFFERENT AGE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT HAVE A SLIGHTLY HIGHER REGARD AND WANT FOR MORE HOUSING.
THERE ARE DEFINITELY DIFFERENCES IN, IN THE PARTISAN SEGMENTS WHEN IT LOOKS FOR WHO, WHO WANTS HOUSING AND OR APARTMENTS, UH, WITH SOME GROUPS, YOU KNOW, DEMOCRATS FOR EXAMPLE, BEING MUCH MORE, UH, SUPPORTIVE OF THAT PROPOSAL, WHEREAS THE REPUBLICAN SEGMENT, UH, MUCH MORE IN OPPOSITION TO THAT, THAT PROPOSAL.
UM, THEN RESTAURANTS AT 2.39, SO HOUSING DOES A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN RESTAURANTS OVERALL.
AND I THINK WE'VE GOT A RECAP ONE LATER.
IS THAT CORRECT? WITH ALL OF 'EM ON THERE? SO WE WILL, WE WILL REVISIT THAT RESTAURANT'S A LITTLE BIT LOWER ON THE LIST, UM, ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE.
AND RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL REALLY BEING THE LOWEST OF WHAT WE MEASURED.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT IT THERE, THE DIFFERENT PIECES STICK OUT TO DIFFERENT FOLKS AND KNOW THERE'S BEEN QUESTIONS.
WELL, UM, YOU KNOW, WHY DIDN'T WE ASK ABOUT THOSE? BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FULL PLAN HERE, AND YOU CERTAINLY AS THE COUNCIL CAN DECIDE TO, UH, ADDRESS THIS HOWEVER YOU WANT.
BUT THERE'S PARTS AND ELEMENTS, DIFFERENT PARTS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, STAND OUT TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.
AND SO WE TRY TO TAKE THAT IN COUNT AND GIVE THEM ALL SORT OF THE OVERALL RATING.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T NEGOTIATE WITH VOTERS.
WE ASK THEM JUST TO RESPOND TO WHAT'S IN FRONT OF THEM.
OUT OF THE DIFFERENT PHRASING FOR THE, UH, FOR THE EVENT, PART OF IT, COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE, UH, DID BY FAR THE BEST WITH, UH, 66% GIVING THAT AN IMPORTANT SCORE OF AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE, 3.82 ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO WHAT WE FOUND IS ACTUALLY THE BROADER YOU WENT, SO CALLING IT A COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE, UH, DID THE BEST.
BUT AS WE WENT ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, WHEN WE CALLED IT AN EVENT LAWN, UH, THE, THE SUPPORT FELL DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND SPECIFICALLY WE MENTIONED IT AS AN AMPHITHEATER.
UH, YOU SEE THE SUPPORT CAME DOWN EVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO YOUR SUPPORT FELL FROM THE 60% RANGE DOWN TO THE MID 50% RANGE, UH, IS AN IMPORTANT THING TO, WHEN WE SPECIFICALLY ASKED ABOUT IT AS IT AS THE FORM OF AN AMPHITHEATER, UM, YOU, YOU COME DOWN TO 45% TOTAL IMPORTANT COMPARED TO 40% NOT IMPORTANT.
AND, AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
WHEN WE, WHEN WE TALKED THIS THROUGH, WHY WOULD WE ASK THE SAME THING
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THREE DIFFERENT WAYS? WELL, WORDS MATTER.AND SO WHAT WE FIND HERE IS THAT THERE IS AN APPETITE AMONG THE ELECTORATE AMONG A BROAD PORTION OF THE ELECTORATE FOR SOME SORT OF COMMUNITY EVENT SPACE.
BUT SPECIFICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE AMPHITHEATER AND NARROW IT DOWN TO THAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION, IT REDUCES AND IT CHANGES THE CONVERSATION.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE.
SO WHEN WE, WE PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER REALLY AT THE TOP OF THE LIST COMMUNITY, UH, EVENT AND THEN MEANT RECREATION CENTER AS WELL.
I'M GLAD WE ADDED THAT, THAT ALSO A RECREATION CENTER DOES INCREDIBLY WELL.
AT 3.58, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS REFLECTED NOT ONLY IN THE DATA OF THE SURVEY, BUT ALSO IN THE OPEN-END RESULTS IS, UM, WHILE THERE'S MIXED REACTION AND, AND BELIEF ABOUT, UH, SOME, THE, SOME OF THE USES THERE IS A MUCH LARGER FOCUS THAN ANYTHING IS COMMUNITY FOCUSED.
THE, THE, THE PEOPLE WHEN IT'S FOR THEM, NOT FOR WHAT THEY PERCEIVE AS FOR OTHERS OR FOR MAYBE BRINGING A DESTINATION.
UH, THERE, THERE'S A LARGER PORTION OF, OF FOLKS TEND TO SUPPORT IT, BUT WE PUT THOSE ALL WITH THE MEAN SCORES JUST TO DO EXACTLY THIS.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE PRIORITIES OF THE OVERALL ELECTORATE, A GATHERING SPACE, A RECREATION CENTER EVENT LAWN OR SORT OF THE TOP TIER AMPHITHEATER IS SORT OF THE NEXT TIER.
HOUSING IS THE TIER AFTER THAT.
AND THEN SORT OF THE RESTAURANT'S, RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL REALLY TAKE UP SORT OF AT THE, AT THE END OF THE OVERALL SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE, UH, AN OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT AMPHITHEATER WITH A CAPACITY OF 5,500 PEOPLE.
AND I KNOW WE, WE THOUGHT ABOUT MAYBE DOING A 5,000 VERSUS A 3000 OR, YOU KNOW, 5,000 VERSUS A 2000 GIVING AN AB TEST.
AND I THINK WHAT WE FIND WITH THAT DATA, IN MY EXPERIENCE, I DID IT FOR TRANSPORTATION ONCE, GAVE THEM FOUR OPTIONS OF HOW THEY SPEND MONEY AND THEY DIVIDED IT EVENLY INTO A QUARTER, A QUARTER AND A QUARTER.
SO WHEN YOU GIVE PEOPLE OPTIONS, THEY SORT OF, UM, THEY, THEY TEND TO SPLIT EVENLY HERE.
BUT, UH, WHEN WE ASK THIS IN GENERAL, KNOWING WHAT YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW, DO YOU SUPPORT OR OPPOSE THIS PROPOSAL? YOU HAVE ABOUT 47% SUPPORT TO ABOUT 43%.
UH, OPPOSE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE AGAIN, WITH THE MARGIN OF ERROR OR RIGHT IN THAT SPOT WHERE IT'S PRETTY MUCH SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE, THERE'S NOT A MAJORITY APPETITE IN IN ONE DIRECTION OR THE OTHER.
UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WE LIKE TO SEE ISSUES LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, IN THE WELL ABOVE 50% RANGE SHOWING A MAJORITY, THERE'S NOT A MAJORITY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
EVEN WITH THE MARGIN OF ERROR, AGAIN, WE DO SEE DIFFERENCES IN THE, UH, SUPPORT HERE.
YOUNGER DEMOGRAPHICS BASICALLY UNDER THE AGE OF 64, 10 MORE LIKELY TO SUPPORT IT.
THERE IS A PLURALITY, BUT NOT QUITE A MAJORITY OF THE 65 AND OLDER.
AND THEN FROM A PARTISAN PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S SOME PRETTY SIZABLE DIFFERENCES AMONG THE, THE PARTISAN DEMOGRAPHICS.
WE DID ADD AT YOUR REQUEST THE OTHER CATEGORY AND 8.4 PER 8.4% OF FOLKS TOOK THE OPTION TO GIVE THE OTHER ANSWER.
AND THAT WAS 137 OPEN-ENDED RESPONSES THAT WE WENT THROUGH AND WE BROKE THEM DOWN BASICALLY TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, UM, WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR GENERAL, AND I THINK THEY'VE ALL BEEN SHARED WITH YOU.
YOU CAN READ THROUGH THROUGH ALL OF THEM IF YOU WANT.
UM, BUT REALLY ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASKED IS, WELL, HOW ABOUT THAT SMALLER SIZED VENUE? IT IT THAT, WHILE THAT WAS THE LARGEST RESPONSE SEGMENT AT 1.7%, IT, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, IT'S IF YOU DIDN'T, IF YOU ADJUST THE SIZE, IT SUDDENLY DOESN'T CHANGE THE OVERALL MATH REGARDING THE OVERALL PROPOSAL THERE.
IT'S STILL WELL WITHIN THAT SORT OF THE MARGIN OF ERROR THERE.
EVEN WITH THE SMALLER SIZE VENUE, THERE WAS ALSO A PRETTY SIZABLE, UH, RESPONSE ABOUT TRAFFICK AND CONGESTION, UH, GENERAL OPPOSITION.
THERE WAS ALSO, UM, IN, WHEN I LOOK AT LIKE ALTERNATE USES COMMUNITY RECREATION USE, THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT, UM, AGAIN WANTED SOMETHING MORE LOCAL, SOMETHING THAT WOULD, THAT THEY FELT WAS MORE FOR THEM.
UH, AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A LITTLE BIT, NOT AS MUCH AS I ANTICIPATED BRINGING UP PREVI THE ISSUES WITH THE PREVIOUS AMPHITHEATER CONCERNS REGARDING SORT OF THE HISTORIC, UH, PORTION OF THE AMPHITHEATER.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME GENERAL SUPPORTIVE AND THEN THERE'S SOME OTHER FOLKS THAT HAD CONCERNS WITH THE SURVEY AND OTHER PARTS OF THIS.
I WILL POINT OUT THAT WE HAD LESS THAN 1% OF FOLKS, UH, EXPRESS, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS WITH THE, WITH SOMETHING ABOUT THE WAY THE QUESTION WAS ASKED.
WE, WE POSED THREE QUESTIONS, WE GOT VERY RELIABLE ANSWERS ON THOSE.
UM, WE COULD ASK DIFFERENT QUESTIONS AND, AND SEE SOME DIFFERENT RESPONSES CERTAINLY.
BUT THE WAY I SEE THIS DATA AND THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW, IT'S A, IT'S A SPLIT ISSUE.
THERE'S NO SILVER BULLET ON, ON THIS TOPIC RIGHT NOW, UH, BASED ON THE TOPIC.
THERE'S DIFFERENT PARTS OF IT THAT PEOPLE LIKE FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.
AND THE AMPHITHEATER'S ONLY ONE PIECE OF THAT.
WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND YOU MAKE IT A COMPLETE MIXED USE, THAT'S HOW YOU'RE GETTING SORT OF THESE, THE RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE SPLIT, PRETTY MUCH EVENLY SUPPORTED AND OPPOSED, UH, ANSWERS THERE.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK TO LAUREN OR I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO TO NEXT STEPS OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK PAUL QUESTIONS ON THE ACTUAL SURVEY? ASK
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QUESTIONS? GREAT, DEREK.SO EXPLAIN IF YOU'VE GOT A 2.4% MARGIN OF ERROR, HOW DOES THAT TURN? LET'S GO BACK.
HOW DOES THAT TURN THAT INTO A STATISTICAL TIE? DON'T YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO RATE LOWER ONE NUMBER BY 2.4% AND THEN RAISE THE OTHER BY 2.4? IS THAT HOW YOU GET A TIE? YES.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 47 DOWN TO 45 AND 42.5 UP TO BASICALLY 45.
I MEAN, SO IT'S, IT, THEY'RE, I MEAN, 47 TO 45 IS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY THERE'S A SLIGHT MORE SUPPORT THAN, BUT I MEAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEITHER SIDE IS ABOVE 50% AS I LOOK AT THIS.
BUT 46.9, STILL HIGHER THAN 42.9.
THAT'S CERTAINLY A WAY TO LOOK AT PLURALITY.
I MEAN IT IS A PLURALITY IS NOT A MAJORITY THOUGH.
AND THEN PROCEDURAL QUESTION, SO THE CARDS THAT WENT OUT WERE SENT TO ALL REGISTERED VOTERS? THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, WHY DID THEY SAY OR CURRENT RESIDENT? SO THAT WE, TWO THINGS FOR SPEED TO GET THE DATA BACK AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
ALSO NOT TO GO THROUGH THE NATIONAL CHANGE OF ADDRESS WHERE IT, WE WOULD SEND A POSTCARD TO A FORMER SEDONA VOTER WHO HAD THEN MOVED AWAY, WHICH WE DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE AREA TO TAKE THAT.
BUT THEN DOESN'T THAT INVITE SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT A REGISTERED SEDONA VOTER TO COMPLETE A CARD? BUT THE DATA WAS DONE IN, UH, THE DATA WAS DONE IN MARCH AND WE, WE SENT OUT THE SURVEY SOON THEREAFTER SO THAT VERY FEW FOLKS, UH, WOULD BE IN THAT CATEGORY OF MOVING.
AND I MEAN, WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT EVEN WITH A DOZEN FOLKS DOING THAT, WHICH THERE WAS NOT A DOZEN FOLKS WHO DID THAT.
WE'D BE LESS THAN A HALF PERCENT OF PEOPLE CHANGING.
BUT I MEAN, HOW DO WE KNOW WHO FILLED OUT THE CARDS? WE MATCHED IT WITH? WHO TOOK THE ACTUAL, BASED ON THEIR VOTER FILE.
SO SOMEBODY SCANS THE QR CODE, FILLS THE CODE OUT, FILLS OUT THE SURVEY, YES.
TURNS IT IN, YOU KNOW, THE WHO FILL WHO WAS ON THE COMPUTER DOING THAT, OR YOU JUST KNOW WHO SCANNED THE CARD? WE KNOW WHO SCANNED THE CARD.
BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT WAS THE PERSON THAT WAS DO WE ARE I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WERE STEALING OTHER PEOPLE'S MAIL.
I JUST, I FEEL LIKE OUR INSTRUCTIONS TO YOU WERE REGISTERED VOTERS AND I WOULD'VE PREFERRED IT HAD NOT SAID OR CURRENT RESIDENT.
BUT IF SOMEONE, IF IT'S ADDRESSED TO THAT PERSON AND OR WHETHER OR NOT THAT PERSON TOOK IT, I MEAN WE, IT'S THE SAME ISSUE WHETHER OR NOT IT SAID OF CURRENT RESIDENT ON IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF I BUY THAT, BUT PETE, I'D JUST LIKE TO FOLLOW UP A LITTLE BIT ON THAT COUNSELOR.
THEIR VOTER FILE WAS PRETTY FRESH.
THEY MAILED THE THINGS OUT, THEY GOT RETURNED.
SURELY A HALF A PERCENT MIGHT BE IN ERROR.
IS THAT, ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT THE HALF A PERCENT? NO, I'M NOT.
I'M JUST, I I FEEL LIKE WE, OUR INSTRUCTIONS WERE PRETTY SPECIFIC AND I FELT LIKE YOU GUYS DIDN'T QUITE FOLLOW IT.
UM, I'M NOT, I DO I THINK IT SWAYED THE RESULTS.
NO, BUT WE'RE NOT ENOUGH TO MATTER.
BUT I DO FEEL LIKE WHEN WE SAID WE WANT A POLL OF REGISTERED VOTERS, WE DON'T WANT A POLL OF CURRENT RESIDENTS.
SO I WOULD JUST, I THINK THAT WAS A MISTAKE.
AND I MEAN, WE CAN'T UNDO THE PAST, BUT I JUST DON'T LIKE THAT IT HAPPENED IN, IN THE FUTURE FOR THE SAKE OF TIME.
IF WE DON'T WANT THE RESULTS AS QUICKLY, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE OTHER DIRECTIONS THAT WE WERE GIVEN, WE WILL, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE DO DIRECTLY TO THE LETTER OF JUST THE INDIVIDUAL ITSELF.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE RESULTS? PETE AND THEN CHARLOTTE.
COULD I GET YOU TO TURN BACK TO THAT EARLY SLIDE WITH THE GENERAL DEMOGRAPHICS REGISTER? THIS ONE? UH, THAT ONE.
I, YOU KNOW, I, I, THIS IS A CHART AND THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS IN THERE.
THIS IS HOW I OFTEN LOOK AT POLLS TO THINK ABOUT HOW I FEEL THE RESPONSE RATE AND REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR COMMUNITY LOOKS.
AND YOU KNOW, I FIRST COMMENT IS THE FIRST COLUMN, THE CENSUS VERSUS THE REGISTERED VOTERS.
YOU KNOW, THAT SPEAKS, I KNOW IT'S A COMMENT ACROSS OUR NATION ABOUT WHO VOTES AND WHO DOESN'T.
AND IT'S A, IT'S ALMOST A SAD COMMENTARY.
UH, 'CAUSE I FEEL THAT AS A MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL, MY JOB IS TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO COMMUNICATE TO US, BUT MY JOB IS ALSO TO THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T COMMUNICATING TO US.
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS CITY.
AND I'M TALKING ABOUT NOT JUST THE FUTURE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, BUT FOR THE NEXT A HUNDRED YEARS, FOR THE GENERATIONS THAT AREN'T HERE YET.
AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, UNDER 29 THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 50 YEARS FROM NOW WOULD BE IN, IN THIS KIND OF CATEGORY.
BUT THEN I LOOK AT REGISTERED VOTERS VERSUS SURVEY RESPONDENTS.
I WASN'T VERY INTERESTED IN YOUR LIKELY VOTERS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WAS AN EASY MATH FOR YOU TO DO, BUT REGISTERED VOTERS
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VERSUS SURVEY RESPONDENTS.AND I THINK ABOUT THAT ERROR RATE AND I LOOK AND I THINK FOR THE 40 TO 49% THAT, WELL, I GUESS IF YOU ADD THE TWO AND A HALF PERCENT ON BOTH SIDES, BUT I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED TO SEE THAT LOW.
WHY DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT OTHER POLLING THAT YOU'VE DONE? WHY WOULD THAT AGE GROUP IN PARTICULAR NOT SHOW UP IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE SURVEY, UH, THEY'RE JUST LESS ENGAGED.
THEY'VE GOT OTHER THINGS GOING ON.
THEY DON'T CHECK THEIR MAIL AS OFTEN.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A, A, A VARIETY OF REASONS, BUT PART OF THE REASON WHY I LOOK AT LIKELY VOTERS IS THOSE ARE WHO DETERMINE THE ACTUAL ELECTION.
WHEN WE LOOK AT ANY ONE OF THESE, UH, I, WE MOSTLY DO VOTER SURVEYS.
THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY YOU CALLED A FIRM LIKE OURS.
YOU DO A COMMUNITY SATISFACTION SURVEY TO TALKS TO BROADER PEOPLE.
UH, WE SPECIALIZE IN VOTER SURVEYS.
I SPECIALIZE IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE LIKELY ELECTORATE IS AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY I ADDED THAT COLUMN IS BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I GAUGE ENTHUSIASM IS THOSE ARE THE FOLKS WHO SHOW UP AND VOTE FOR YOU, QUITE FRANKLY.
AND SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S WHY THAT CATEGORY OR THAT COLUMN IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
BUT YOUNGER DEMOGRAPHICS, IT'S JUST MUCH MORE DIFFICULT FOR THE, TO GET THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN, IN ANYTHING, LET ALONE A A A SURVEY.
WELL, I, I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN A POLITICAL CONTEXT, THINKING ABOUT LIKELY VOTERS IS A GOOD THING.
WE COULD HAVE A LONG DEBATE ABOUT THE NEXT ELECTION, WHO'S GONNA BE A LIKELY VOTER AND YOU KNOW, AND YOU ENGAGE THAT WAY WITH, SO, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND YOU DID YOUR BEST.
AND I DON'T DETRACT FROM THAT AT ALL.
I, I JUST REALLY AM NOT PAYING MUCH ATTENTION TO THAT COLUMN.
THE 65 AND OVER DOES LOOK LIKE THE SURVEY RESPONDENTS IS OVERREPRESENTED, RIGHT? WE HAD A BIG TURNOUT OF 65 AND OVER PEOPLE TO THIS PARTICULAR POLL.
THAT FALLS WITH OUTSIDE OF THAT TWO AND A HALF PERCENT MARGIN COMPARED TO REGISTERED VOTERS.
WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERNS OF WHETHER OR NOT OLDER VOTERS WOULD BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT A QR CODE OR A, UH, OR FIGURE OUT THE URL.
SO HATS OFF TO THE 65 AND OLDER COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE I KNOW OUR COMMUNITY IS SMARTER THAN SOME PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF.
I NEVER, I SO TO, TO BE CLEAR, I HAD FULL FAITH AND CONFIDENCE IN THE 65 AND OLDER COMMUNITY, BUT THERE WAS CONCERNS THAT THAT, UH, AN ELECTRONIC SURVEY MAY NOT BE ACCESSIBLE FOR THOSE AUDIENCES AND WE DID NOT SEE THAT PROBLEM.
THEN THE OTHER LAST QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK AND SORT OF GET YOUR INTERPRETATION OF HOW WE THINK ABOUT THIS.
I LOOK AT THIS BLOCK OF 65 AND OVER VOTERS AND QUESTION ONE, THE MAJORITY OF 'EM OPPOSE THE PLAN AS THEY KNOW IT TODAY.
QUESTION THREE IS THEY ALSO OPPOSE THE AMPHITHEATER.
SO THIS IS THE BIGGEST BLOCK OF PEOPLE THAT SUBMITTED SURVEYS.
DON'T LIKE THE PLAN, THE, THE, THE PLAN, THE, UH, THE, THE PLANNING EFFORT THAT'S BEEN DONE, BUT ALSO DON'T LIKE THE AMPHITHEATER.
CAN YOU TELL ME HOW TO INTERPRET THAT FOR ME?
IT'S NOT EVEN 55 45, WHICH WE, YOU KNOW, A 10 POINT SWING.
WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SMALL MARGINS HERE ON BO BOTH SIDES.
BUT THEY, THEY ARE THE DRIVING FORCE OF THE DATA.
SO YES, THEY, THEY TEND TO, THEIR OPPOSITION DRIVES SOME OF THE OPPOSITION IN THE OVERALL PLAN, AND THEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE DRIVING, UH, A BIG BULK OF THE OPPOSITION TO THE AMPHITHEATER AS WELL AT ITS CURRENT SIZE.
CHARLOTTE, I HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION.
UM, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW, HOW TO INTERPRET THE DON'T KNOW CATEGORY IN QUESTION ONE OR THE DON'T KNOW OR OTHER CATEGORY IN QUESTION THREE.
YOU, I THINK YOU SAID THAT YOU JUST DIDN'T CALCULATE IT IN YOU, YOU ONLY CALCULATED THE, UM, SUPPORT OR OPPOSE, UH, IN QUESTION TWO.
SO THE MEANS THE ONLY THING THAT DOESN'T TAKE, UH, THE DON'T KNOW INTO ACCOUNT IS THE MEAN SCORES FOR QUESTION TWO.
SO, SO QUESTIONS, UH, ONE AND THREE IF THEY CHOSE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S REFLECTED THERE IN THOSE OVERALL NUMBERS.
UM, SO IN THE, IN QUESTION ONE, IT'S ABOUT 8%, 7.8% THAT SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW.
AND THEN IN QUESTION THREE IT'S ABOUT, UM, 2% WITH 8.4 GIVING YOU ANOTHER.
SO THERE REALLY, UH, WE CAN SEE WHEN YOU, THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT FOLKS HAVE ABOUT 10% OR SO THAT DIDN'T KNOW OR WANTED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BASED ON THE, AT LEAST ON THE AMPHITHEATER, I THOUGHT I HAD HEARD NOT FROM YOU, BUT ELSEWHERE THAT, UH, DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
CATEGORY ONE COULD INTERPRET IT AS LIKE A THREE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ON THE MIDPOINT, NEITHER, NEITHER
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SUPPORT NOR OPPOSE, JUST KIND OF THE MIDPOINT.BUT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT THAT WAY.
NO, BECAUSE WHEN I DO THESE TYPES OF SURVEYS, UH, WHEN WE DO A, A BIGGER SURVEY, FOR EXAMPLE, I'LL ASK A QUESTION AT THE BEGINNING WHEN WE DO LIKE A MIXED USE PROJECT LIKE THIS, OFTEN WE'LL ASK A QUESTION AT THE BEGINNING AND THEY'LL BE A, A DON'T KNOW, AND THEN THEY'LL MOVE TO PROBABLY YES OR PROBABLY NO, AND THEY, THEY MOVE OVER THE COURSE.
SO THE DON'T KNOW, I DON'T PUT IN THE MIDDLE IS A MAYBE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
UH, I WATCH THEIR MOVEMENT AND WHERE THEY GO, AND THEN THERE'S SOME FOLKS THAT JUST DON'T KNOW.
THE OTHER THING TO NOTE ABOUT DON'T KNOW IS IN A, IN AN ELECTION, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS NOT AN ELECTION, LET ME BE A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
BUT THE, UM, IN AN ELECTION, THOSE FOLKS DON'T VOTE.
THEY JUST STAY HOME IF THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO VOTE OR IF THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
THEY, THEY SKIP THE TOPIC ALTOGETHER TYPICALLY.
SO HOW SHOULD WE LOOK AT DON'T KNOW OR
WELL, UM, SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET A LITTLE MORE OUT OF IT.
NO SHOUTING FROM THE AUDIENCE.
YOU CAN CLAP, BUT YOU CAN'T SHOUT, YOU CAN'T CALL OUT PLEASE.
AND, AND PLEASE DON'T BE DISRUPTED.
SO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, I THINK WE LEARN A LOT FROM THE OTHER CATEGORY.
I, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME BELIEF THAT WITH A DIFFERENT SIZE PROPOSAL THAT THERE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY MORE SUPPORT OR WANTING TO DO AN AB TEST BETWEEN THOSE TWO OPTIONS.
WHAT WE ACTUALLY FOUND FROM THE OPEN-ENDED IS THERE WAS A WIDE VARIETY OF RESPONSES OF WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.
SOME FOLKS WOULD, DID SPECIFICALLY SAY, I WOULD SUPPORT IT IF IT WERE SMALLER, BUT THE QUESTION WE DIDN'T ASK IS THE PEOPLE WHO SAID, I SUPPORT IT.
RIGHT NOW, YOU, THERE MIGHT BE A PORTION OF THOSE FOLKS THAT SAY, IF IT WERE SMALLER, I WOULD BE LESS INCLINED TO SUPPORT IT.
WE DIDN'T ASK THE, THE, THE, THE OTHER VERSION OF THAT QUESTION.
BUT THERE WAS ALSO, I'D PREFER DIFFERENT USES.
WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO PARK? UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD RATHER HAVE IT BE MORE OF A COMMUNITY BENEFIT.
I WANT SOMETHING EVEN SMALLER THAN THAT.
I WANT A, YOU KNOW, A PARK OR SOME OTHER, THERE, THERE'S A, A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ONES.
AND THEN WE ALSO JUST, I MEAN THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, SOME FOLKS HAD TAXPAYER QUESTIONS, WHICH I'VE SEEN A LOT TONIGHT IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE'VE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S FOLKS THAT REALLY WANTED TO EMPHASIZE WOULD RATHER DO MORE WITH HOUSING.
THERE WAS FOLKS THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE PART OF A, A PLAN OPPOSED IT BECAUSE IT HAS HOUSING.
I MEAN THERE'S, THERE WAS A LOT OF IT POTENTIALLY HAS HOUSING, PARDON ME.
SO WE REALLY SAW A, A WIDE VARIETY.
UM, WHEN WE HAVE OPEN-ENDED QUESTIONS, OFTEN TIMES WHEN I DO THIS FOR MUNICIPALITIES, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THINGS THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THOUGHT OF.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT STANDS OUT? WHAT'S A TOP ISSUE FACING A COMMUNITY, FOR EXAMPLE? AND FOR ONE COMMUNITY, I DISCOVERED IT WAS, UH, THEY HAD A, A UNDERLYING CONCERN ABOUT GRAFFITI THAT THEY REALLY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT.
FOR EXAMPLE, OBVIOUSLY THAT NOT REALLY AN IMPACT HERE, BUT THE, THE OPEN-ENDED QUESTIONS, WHAT YOUR GOAL IS WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THEM IS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT RISES UP WHERE A LARGE PORTION OR AT LEAST A SIGNIFICANT PORTION, UH, SPEAK TO THOSE ITEMS. IN THIS CASE, IT'S KIND OF BROKEN UP ALL OVER THE PLACE.
IF YOU, IF YOU READ THROUGH 'EM, THERE'S, UH, YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE WIDE VARIETY OF ANSWERS TO, TO THIS.
SO, UM, I I IT'S HARD, IT'S DIFFICULT TO INTERPRET REALLY, UH, THAT THERE'S SOME OVERLYING OR UNDERLYING FACTOR THAT COULD, UM, IMPACT THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
THANK YOU FOR, SO THAT LEADS ME TO ASK, DID YOU GROUP THE, SO YOU'VE GOT 1.7%, AS AN EXAMPLE, PREFERS A SMALLER SIZE VENUE.
SO YOU GROUPED THOSE COMMENTS? YES, WE SORTED THEM THROUGH AND CATEGORIZE THEM BASED ON WHAT WE SAW THE MAIN IDEA.
NOW SOME PEOPLE MENTIONED MULTIPLE IDEAS.
I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE WROTE OUT VERY LONG DESCRIPTIONS AND WE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE WAS SORT OF THE BEST.
WE, WE, IN THIS CASE, IT'S NOT PERFECT BECAUSE YOU ARE ASSIGNING SORT OF ONE VALUE TO EACH PERSON, BUT IT, I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO BREAK UP THE 8% INTO ITS REQUISITE PARTS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, CATEGORIZE, THIS PERSON TALKED ABOUT THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS.
IT'D BE HARDER TO SORT OF ENCAPSULATE THAT FOR YOU.
SO IF THEY MADE TWO COMMENTS OR THEY REFLECTED IN, IN TWO OF THESE SECTIONS, UH, WHICHEVER COMMENT WAS THEIR, THE BIGGER COMMENT OR THE MORE, UH, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHICHEVER ONE THEY SPENT MORE TIME ON, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST? AND YOU KNOW, AND THEN THEY WENT ON TO TALK EXTENSIVELY ABOUT PARKING AND YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO BE OR SOMETHING ELSE IF THEY, THE BULK OF THEIR COMMENT OR WHAT THE MAIN IDEA OF THE COMMENT WAS IS WHAT'S REFLECTED HERE.
DO YOU WANT ME TO CONTINUE? I'M GONNA GO TO THE AUDIENCE UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE.
I JUST HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE OF MY PRESENTATION.
UH, SO NOW I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS? UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTINUE TO PAUSE THE MASTER PLAN? WOULD YOU LIKE TO LAUREN? I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY TO
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HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.YOU WANT ME TO, I WANNA GO TO THE PUBLIC, BUT THE PUBLIC MIGHT WANNA OPINE ON THOSE NEXT STEPS AS WELL.
WE'RE NOT GONNA OPINE ON THEM, BUT YOU CAN BRING THEM.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO FURTHER THE IDEA OF THE 5,500 PERSON VENUE? IF SO, WHAT ARE THOSE STEPS? SOME DATES TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT MAY 13TH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE DRAFT BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY, INCLUDING INFORMATION ON HOW MANY HOUSING UNITS ARE RECOMMENDED AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY PROPERTY.
AND THEN ON MAY 26TH, YOU'RE SCHEDULED FOR A DISCUSSION ON A POTENTIAL FOR A LETTER OF INTENT FOR THE CULTURAL PARK 2.0 COMMITTEE TO REDEVELOP THE CULTURAL PARK.
WITH THAT, I HAND IT BACK TO YOU.
I HAVE 37 CARDS,
AND PLEASE DON'T REPEAT WHAT THE PERSON IN FRONT OF YOU SAID, JUST SAY DITTO UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT YOU WANNA SAY.
SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH DONNA JOY VARNEY, FOLLOWED BY LENA QUITA.
I LIVE IN SEDONA AND I ACTUALLY LIVED IN SEDONA IN 1995 WHEN THE CULTURAL PARK CAME INTO CREATION.
AND AT THAT TIME I OWNED A COUPLE BUSINESSES IN TOWN AND EVERYTHING WAS INCREDIBLE.
WE HAD THIS HUGE INCREDIBLE TOURISM MARKETPLACE WHERE GALLERY PEOPLE CAME IN, PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO BUY THE ARTS, THEY CAME TO S SEDONA FOR THE FUNKY ART TOWN THAT WE WERE.
AND IT WAS INCREDIBLE AND AWESOME IT WHEN THE CULTURAL PARK, I BROUGHT TODAY THIS, IT'S THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT PRO PRO ASSESSMENT.
AND THIS WAS DONE BY THE FOREST SERVICE AND IT OUTLINED WHAT THEIR EXPECTATIONS WERE FOR THE CULTURAL PARK.
AND THE MORE YOU READ IT AND THE MORE YOU START DISSECTING IT, IT WAS BRILLIANT.
AND THE RESULTS OF THOSE, THOSE SURVEYS ALIGN 100% TO THEIR PLAN.
THIS PLAN HAD FESTIVAL GROUNDS, OPEN PLACES, PERFORMING ART CENTER AND AN AMPHITHEATER.
AND THE AMPHITHEATER WASN'T THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THE CULTURAL PARK.
SO I SAY TO YOU, I ASK YOU TO GO BACK TO THE TRUST THE FOREST SERVICE HAD WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA TO MAINTAIN THIS PRECIOUS LAND AS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.
AND GIVE IT THE OPPORTUNITY YOUR VOTERS VOTED IN 1996, THEY DON'T WANT HOUSING THEN THEY DON'T WANT IT TODAY.
AND THOSE RESULTS MATCH THIS PLAN.
OKAY, LENA, FOLLOWED BY JODY PAIGE MULLI.
I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 20 YEARS HERE IN SEDONA.
I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT WHAT DONNA JUST SAID.
AND I ALSO FEEL THAT OUR CURRENT PLAN FOR THE CULTURAL PARKER IS A GROSS OVERSIGHT AND COMPLETE DISREGARD FOR WHAT THIS TRUE COMM THE TRUE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE.
I WANT THE, I WANT THE ONLY LOCAL ACCESSIBLE VISTAS LEFT OPEN FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR TOURISM ALIKE TO ENJOY AND VISIT FREELY AND TO EXPERIENCE A RED ROCK COUNTRY FROM A SAFE DISTANCE BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY CAN GET OUT THERE.
AND WHILE I OPPOSE ANY HOUSING, I, LIKE MANY OF US TODAY WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND JUST BUILD THE AMPHITHEATER.
HEY, JODY IS FOLLOWED BY CHRISTOPHER FORD.
SO PRINTED THIS OUT AT 14 POINT FONT, IT NEEDS TO BE 16, 18 THIS POINT.
I LIVE, UH, BELOW JEROME AND ABOVE CLARKDALE, OVERLOOKING SEDONA AND THE MULIAN RIM.
THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL FOR EXPRESS, ALLOWING US TO EXPRESS WHAT A REVITALIZED CULTURAL PARK WOULD MEAN TO US AS A COMMUNITY THAT ALREADY VOTED IN FAVOR OF THIS MAGNIFICENT UNDERTAKING.
ONCE BEFORE ALL OF MY EDUCATION, 18 YEARS SCOTSDALE PHOENIX
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TEMPE.I'M AN A SU THEATER PRODUCTION MAJOR AND UNLIKE MOST OF THEM, I SPENT MY MAJORITY OF MY CAREER IN PRODUCING THEATER PRODUCTION, SEATTLE REP PHOENIX THEATER TO SEATTLE REP ADVANCING NATIONAL ACT LOGISTICS FOR MUSIC AND ART FESTIVALS FOR 400,000 ATTENDEES AT BUMPER SUIT IN SEATTLE CENTER.
I'VE RUN BACKSTAGE FOR PRESENTING, TOURING AND ROADHOUSES IN PALM SPRINGS AND LAS VEGAS MUCH LIKE THE CULTURAL AMPHITHEATER WOULD BE.
WE DON'T TEAR DOWN AND START OVER.
THROW OUT THE OLD TO BRING IN THE NEW.
THIS VENUE WAS DESIGNED FOR THIS ENVIRONMENTAL FOOTPRINT.
IT SITS WITH AN ICONIC BACKDROP IN THE GATEWAY OF THE ICONIC SOUTHWEST BETWEEN THE GRAND CANYON AND THE FIFTH LARGEST CITY IN THE COUNTRY.
THEY'RE EVEN WIDENING I 17 TO GET FOLKS UP HERE WITH THEIR ECONOMIC IMPACT DOLLARS.
THIS WHOLE COMPLEX IS POSITIONED TO BE SEDONAS VERSION OF COLORADO'S RED ROCK AMPHITHEATER, WHICH HAS BEEN MANAGED SUCCESSFULLY SINCE THE 1940S.
HOUSING CAN BE BUILT ANYWHERE.
THE FOLLOWING IS FROM THIS EXTREMELY THOUGHTFUL, YOU CAN FINISH YOUR SENTENCE AND WELL EXECUTED WEBSITE.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO REVISIT IT AND IT STARTS WITH WHAT THE NATIONAL FOREST SERVICE DID.
SO, UH, GOOD EVENING COUNSELORS.
I'M A FULL-TIME SEDONA RESIDENT.
I'M ALSO SECRETARY OF THE, UH, SCP 2.0 BOARD, AND I HAVE A PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND IN THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY.
I'M SPEAKING AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IN SUPPORT OF REVIVING THE AMPHITHEATER AND INDEED THE BROADER CULTURAL PARK AS HAS BEEN DESCRIBED.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, I AM IN SUPPORT OF MAKING THAT DECISION BASED ON REAL DATA RATHER THAN ASSUMPTIONS AND GUESSES.
UH, A QUESTION THAT COMES UP REPEATEDLY IS WHY WILL THIS SUCCEED TODAY WHEN IT DID NOT IN 2022, SORRY, IN 2002? AND THE ANSWER IS STRAIGHTFORWARD.
YOU KNOW, THE LIVE PERFORMANCE INDUSTRY HAS FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED WHAT WAS ONCE A FRAGMENTED AND UNCERTAIN BUSINESS HAS BECOME HIGHLY STRUCTURED, DATA DRIVEN AND PROVEN AND PROFITABLE ACROSS THE NATION OF RED ROCKS, AS WE MENTIONED AS AN EXAMPLE.
NOW, SEDONA HAS A UNIQUE CULTURAL ASSET IN THE AMPHITHEATER AND THE CULTURAL PARK LANDSCAPE.
ONE THAT ALIGNS VERY NATURALLY WITH THE CHARACTER AND VALUES OF THIS COMMUNITY, AND IT ENHANCES THE CITY'S CULTURAL RICHNESS FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS AND CAN BRING MANY SIDE BENEFITS.
SO IT DESERVES TO BE EVALUATED IN TODAY'S CONTEXT, NOT ON WHAT YOU THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, TRUE A FEW YEARS AGO TODAY BASED ON TRUE FACTS AND ON DATA.
SO ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR IS MEASURED AND I THINK REASONABLE.
AND THAT IS A LETTER OF INTENT OR A COMMITMENT FROM THIS CITY THAT BRINGS IN EXPERIENCED PROFESSIONALS TO CONDUCT A PROPER FEASIBILITY STUDY.
WE HAVE PARTNERS WHO WANT TO DO THIS, BUT THEY ALSO WANT TO KNOW THAT THEIR TIME IS VALUED AND THAT THE CITY IS SERIOUS.
SO OUR ASK TONIGHT IS SIMPLY NOT TO BUILD OR REOPEN OR INVEST.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT TONIGHT.
IT'S SIMPLY THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO CONDUCT A SERIOUS BUSINESS ANALYSIS FROM PROFESSIONAL SOURCES SO THAT THIS COUNCIL, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, YOU HAVE THE DATA TO MAKE AN INFORMED ASSESSMENT.
AND FRANKLY, GIVEN THAT THIS ISSUE HAS BECOME SO EMOTIONAL, SO SPLIT, AND AT TIMES FRANKLY, SO DIVISIVE, WHY WOULD WE COLLECTIVELY NOT WANT TO DO THAT? THANK YOU.
OKAY, WE HAVE TIM PERRY, FOLLOWED BY JENNIFER MAY, FOLLOWED BY DANA JEC.
MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN AT THE RESULTS OF YET ANOTHER RIGGED CULTURAL PARK SURVEY.
EXCEPT YOU GUYS DIDN'T QUITE RIG THIS ONE ENOUGH THIS TIME.
DID YOU, I'D ESPECIALLY LIKE TO THANK ALL THE SEDONA VOTERS WHO SCREWED YOUR RIGGED RANKED CHOICE HOUSING QUESTION, WHICH SHOWS THAT NOBODY REALLY DOES WANT HOUSING ON THAT
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PROPERTY AS A HIGH PRIORITY.I'M ESPECIALLY DELIGHTED THAT THIS SURVEY BROKE DOWN THE RESULTS BY AGE GROUP BECAUSE IN DOING SO, IT COMPLETELY DESTROYED THE CITY'S ARGUMENT THAT IT MUST DESTROY THE CULTURAL PARK TO BUILD GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED HOUSING TO ATTRACT YOUNG PEOPLE, FAMILIES, AND WORKERS TO SEDONA.
ACTUALLY, WHAT THE SURVEY TELLS US IS THAT YOUNG PEOPLE AND WORKERS WANT AN AMPHITHEATER, NOT SUBSIDIZED HOUSING IN THE 50 TO 64% AGE GROUP, 55% SUPPORT THE AMPHITHEATER THAT RISES TO 60% IN THE 40 YEAR OLDS, 64% IN THE 30 YEAR OLDS, AND 70% IN THE 20 YEAR OLDS.
OF COURSE, THE COUNCIL DIDN'T KNOW HAVE TO DO A SURVEY TO FIND THIS OUT.
THE COUNCIL JUST COULD HAVE CONDESCENDED TO TALK TO ANY WORKING YOUNG PERSON LIKE ONE OF THOSE WHO SERVE THEM.
FOR EXAMPLE, THEY COULD HAVE TALKED TO THE WAITER IN THE RESTAURANT WHO JUST BOUGHT A HOME IN COTTONWOOD FOR HIS GROWING FAMILY BECAUSE HE WANTS TO OWN NOT RENT A HOUSE, NOT AN APARTMENT.
AND HE DOESN'T WANT GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED HOUSING AT THE CULTURAL PARK.
HE WANTS THE AMPHITHEATER REOPENED SO HE CAN SEND HIS KIDS THERE.
THIS SURVEY RESULTS AND THEIR CONTRADICTION OF THIS COUNCIL'S POLICY, SHOW US ONCE AGAIN THAT YOU NEITHER KNOWN NOR GIVE A CRAP ABOUT WHAT THE MAJORITY OF YOUNG PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN WANT.
AND THAT APPEARS TO BE THE AMPHITHEATER.
WE, THE CHILDREN ARE THE FUTURE AND WE WANT THAT AMPHITHEATER AS PART OF OUR FUTURE.
AS I SAID, YOU MAY CLAP, YOU MAY NOT USE OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I AM, UH, CURRENTLY RESIDE IN VILLE, BUT I AM A BUSINESS OWNER AND SOMEBODY WHO'S BORN AND RAISED IN SEDONA.
MY FAMILY HAS BEEN A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR DECADES, AND LIKE MANY PEOPLE HERE, I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT PROTECTING WHAT MAKES SEDONA SPECIAL.
TONIGHT I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO APPROVE A MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT.
I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO SPEND TAXPAYER MONEY BUILDING A NEW AMPHITHEATER.
AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION.
TONIGHT WE ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING FAR MORE REASONABLE.
WE ARE ASKING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE WORK, TO GATHER THE FACTS, TO CREATE A REAL PROFORMA, A REAL FEASIBILITY, FEASIBILITY STUDY, AND A REAL BUSINESS PLAN BEFORE THE CITY MAKES THE IRREVERSIBLE DECISION TO DEMOLISH A ONE OF A KIND COMMUNITY ASSET THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
BECAUSE ONCE IT'S GONE, IT'S GONE FOREVER.
THIS AMPHITHEATER IS NOT JUST CONCRETE AND STEEL, IT IS PART OF SEDONAS CULTURAL IDENTITY.
IT WAS BUILT FOR COMMUNITY, FOR ART, FOR EXPERIENCES, FOR MUSIC UNDER THE STARS IN ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLACES IN THE WORLD.
AND THE COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN TODAY THROUGH THIS SURVEY, PEOPLE ARE ASKING YOU TO AT LEAST EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY BEFORE DESTROYING THIS.
THE ARGUMENT THAT IT FAILED ONCE SO IT WILL FAIL AGAIN.
BECAUSE TIMING MATTERS, MANAGEMENT MATTERS, VISION MATTERS.
SEDONA, TODAY IS NOT THE SEDONA FROM 25 YEARS AGO, TOURISM HAS EVOLVED.
DESTINATION VENUES HAVE EVOLVED.
OUTDOOR AMPHITHEATERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE THRIVING BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SEARCHING FOR EXPERIENCES IN NOT JUST PLACES.
THIS IS ALSO NOT ABOUT OVERWHELMING SEDONA.
THIS COULD BE CONTROLLED, PREDICTABLE EVENTS STRATEGICALLY SCHEDULED DURING SLOW, SLOWER SEASONS WHEN OUR WORKFORCE IS HURTING THE MOST.
EVERY SUMMER AND WINTER HOSPITALITY WORKERS, RESTAURANT STAFF, RETAIL EMPLOYEES, GUIDES AND SERVICE WORKERS SEE HOURS CUT DRAMATICALLY.
AND THIS WOULD HELP STABILIZE THOSE SLOW PERIODS AND SUPPORT THE WORKFORCE WE ALREADY HAVE LIVING HERE TODAY.
AND IMPORTANTLY, THIS PROPERTY ALSO CAN BECOME MORE THAN CONCERTS.
IT CAN BE COMMUNITY EVENTS, ARTS, PROGRAMMING, EVEN MOVING LARGE EVENTS LIKE THE MOUNTAIN BIKE FESTIVAL TO THIS CULTURAL PARK AND KEEPING THE TRAGIC TRAFFIC AT THE EDGE OF TOWN INSTEAD OF FUNNELING IT THROUGH UPTOWN.
HOUSING DOES MATTER, WE ALL KNOW THAT.
BUT HOUSING AND PRESERVING THIS CULTURAL ASSET DO NOT HAVE TO BE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
THE CITY OWNS OTHER PROPERTIES WHERE THOUGHTFULLY SCALED HOUSING PROJECTS ARE ALREADY MOVING FORWARD.
HEY DANA, THEN SAMIRA, I'M SORRY.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER.
IT'S DANA AZIZI AND I'M FROM UPTOWN SEDONA, SO I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF.
I SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR.
I CAME HERE TO SAY I REALLY DON'T HAVE AN OPINION OF WHAT SHOULD BE DONE NECESSARILY.
I SUPPORT THE CULTURAL USE OF THE PARK OVER HOUSING, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY AND UNDER THE HEELS OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM A PS TODAY, MY CONCERN IS THE ROADS AND THE TRAFFIC AND THE EVACUATION PROCESS IN ANY EMERGENCY, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COME IN FOR A VENUE OR THAT, I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT IMPORTANTLY FOR THE CITY, FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
WE ONLY HAVE THREE MAIN WAYS IN AND OUT OF THIS TOWN.
AND BRINGING A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHETHER IT'S MORE RESIDENTS OR WHETHER IT'S FOR VENUES.
I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE CITY NEEDS TO FOCUS ON THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS.
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THANK YOU DANA.DANIEL FEL WILL BE AFTER SAMIRA.
MY NAME IS SAMITA ARMSTRONG AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN PRESERVATION OF AND REVITALIZATION OF THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK AND ITS AMPHITHEATER.
THIS LAND IS NOT JUST REAL ESTATE.
IT'S ONE OF THE FEW PLACES IN SEDONA, INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED FOR SHARED CULTURAL EXPERIENCE FOR GATHERING, FOR ART AND FOR COMMUNITY.
ONCE LAND LIKE THIS IS LOST AND IS DEVELOPED, IT'S GONE FOREVER.
WE CAN BUILD HOUSING IN MANY PLACES, INCLUDING THE 300 ACRES OUTSIDE OF SEDONA THAT YOU OWN.
BUT WE CANNOT RECREATE A SPACE LIKE THIS ONCE IT'S LOST, ESPECIALLY AFTER STEVE EGNER LAMENTED ABOUT HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS TO BUILD WORKFORCE HOUSING.
HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY THINK THAT IT WOULD BE SMART OR WISE TO BUILD HIGH DENSITY HOUSING THERE AFFORDABLY? THE AMPHITHEATER REPRESENTS MORE THAN AN OLD STRUCTURE.
IT COULD BE REVIVED TO A THRIVING VENUE FOR MUSIC, LOCAL EVENTS AND TOURISM THAT ACTUALLY STRENGTHENS OUR ECONOMY.
IF WE LOSE EVERY SPACE DEDICATED TO CULTURE AND COMMUNITY IN FAVOR OF DEVELOPMENT, WE SLOWLY ERASE THE VERY CHARACTER THAT MAKES PEOPLE WANNA LIVE AND WORK HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I'M ASKING YOU TO PAUSE BEFORE MAKING AN IRREVERSIBLE DECISION TO CONSIDER RE RESTORATION INSTEAD OF REPLACEMENT TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, NOT AROUND IT.
BECAUSE ONCE THIS LAND IS LOST, WE DON'T GET A SECOND CHANCE.
I'M ALSO VERY CONFUSED AS TO WHY DO YOU GO TO GREAT LENGTH TO PUT THIS SURVEY TOGETHER, TO UNDERSTAND THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, AND THEN TURN AROUND AND SUE THE VERY PEOPLE WHO YOU REPRESENT FOR WANTING TO TELL YOU THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE VIA A BALLOT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
UH, DANIEL JENS WORLD 45 CANTA COURT.
SEDONA, UM, VICE MAYOR AND UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECT OF THE SEDONA CULTURE PARK AMPHITHEATER AND THIS IS THE ARCHITECT'S PERSPECTIVE.
UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING IN SEDONA SINCE THE NINETIES.
UH, OUR FIRM HAS DESIGNED MANY PROJECTS NOW THAT ARE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY'S FABRIC, INCLUDING THE CULTURAL PARK, OLD MARKETPLACE.
YOU KNOW, SEDONA CREATIVE LIFE CENTER.
YOU HAVE PIKE COLLEGE, THE MILLER BROTHERS BUILDING NOW DARK SKY LOSS.
WE HAVE BOTH REPRESENTATIVES HERE, UH, SEDONA STATION AND OTHER LODGING, RESIDENTIAL WORK THROUGHOUT THE THE CITY.
I SHARE THAT TO SAY WE HAVE ALWAYS APPROACHED SEDONA WITH RESPECT FOR THE LAND.
WHEN WE DESIGNED THE AMPHITHEATER, THE GOAL IS TO WORK WITH THE NATURAL LAND FORMS, THE PINION, JUNIPER, FOREST, THE TERRAIN, THE RED ROCKS, AND TO REAL REVEAL SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY THERE, A NATURAL AMPHITHEATER.
THIS IDEA GOES BACK TO ANCIENT GREECE AND ROME WHERE AMPHITHEATERS WERE SHAPED INTO THE LAND SO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY COULD GATHER AND SHARE AND EXPERIENCE TOGETHER.
THAT PHILOSOPHY GUIDED US HERE.
THERE ARE NO BAD SEATS IN THIS AMPHITHEATER.
IN FACT, WHAT MIGHT TRADITIONALLY BE CONSIDERED THE WORST SEATS COULD FEEL LIKE THE BEST BECAUSE THEY OFFER SOMETHING ELSE.
YOU'RE NOT JUST WATCHING THE STAGE, YOU'RE SITTING WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE.
THE RED ROCKS, THE CHANGING COLORS OF THE SKY, THE SUNSETS, THEY ALL BECOME PART OF THE PERFORMANCE.
WE SEE THIS AMPHI AS A VORTEX OF THE ARTS WHERE MUSIC, NATURE, COLORS, AND COMMUNITY COME TOGETHER IN ONE PLACE.
THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CANNOT REPLICATE.
WE HAVE DONE A PROFESSIONAL REVIEW OF THE STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS, AS DID THE CITY AND FOUND THEM TO BE SOUND ONLY REQUIRING MAINTENANCE AND SUPERFICIAL REPAIRS.
WHAT'S NEEDED NOW IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IT BACK TO LIFE AND TO ALLOW IT TO FULFILL THE PURPOSE IT WAS DESIGNED FOR, TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER IN A PLACE THAT REFLECTS THE VERY ESSENCE OF SEDONA.
HOLLY ANDERSON, SEDONA, RESIDENT MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I AM A BOARD MEMBER OF SCP 2.0 WITH AN EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND IN THE MUSIC TOURING AND TICKETING INDUSTRY, SPECIFICALLY DIGITAL MARKETING THAT DRIVES TOUR ROUTING AND TICKETING.
AN AMPHITHEATER IS NOT JUST A VENUE, IT IS ESSENTIAL ECONOMIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
I AGREE WITH THE CITY THAT DATA MATTERS, BUT CONTEXT MATTERS MORE.
THE CITY SURVEY IS NOT A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE OF THE LIVE MUSIC ECONOMY.
89% OF RESPONDENTS WERE OVER 50 WITH 68% OVER 65.
IN THE PROFESSIONAL MUSIC WORLD.
THE CORE AUDIENCE IS 25 TO 54.
THE FACT THAT NEARLY 40% OF THIS, 47% OF THIS SAMPLE STILL SUPPORTS
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THIS PROJECT PROVES THAT THE APPETITE FOR THIS VENUE IS FAR STRONGER THAN THE SURVEY SUGGESTS.IF YOU WANNA MAKE A DATA-DRIVEN DECISION, LOOK AT LIVE NATION'S 2025 LIVING FOR LIVE REPORT AND ITS SURVEY OF 40,000 FANS.
IT PROVES THAT FOR THE 18 TO 54-YEAR-OLD DEMOGRAPHIC, LIVE MUSIC IS A TOP TIER LIFE MILESTONE.
70% OF THESE FANS, 70% OF 40,000 FANS NOW PLAN THEIR TRAVEL SPECIFICALLY AROUND A SHOW.
SEDONA MAY BE A SMALL MARKET, BUT IT IS A GLOBAL BRAND.
WHEN AN ARTIST ANNOUNCES A SHOW HERE, A SOMEDAY TRIP BECOMES A CONFIRMED RESERVATION.
THIS CREATES INCREMENTAL INCOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR LOCAL MUSICIANS, OUR TEACHERS, OUR NURSES, OUR POLICE OFFICERS, AND OUR EVENT PRODUCERS.
WHILE PROVIDING STABLE CAREERS FOR OUR HOSPITALITY WORKFORCE, THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER THERE IS INTEREST.
IT IS WHETHER THE CITY COUNCIL WILL TURN THAT INTEREST INTO A SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC ENGINE.
WE ARE NOT ASKING YOU TO BE OPERATORS, WE ARE ASKING YOU TO BE ENABLERS.
IT IS TIME TO WELCOME THE NEXT GENERATION OF RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TO SEDONA.
JOHN NEVILLE, FOLLOWED BY ED LER.
I'M A 22 YEAR RESIDENT OF SEDONA.
WE CAME HERE JUST ABOUT THE SAME TIME THAT THE PREVIOUS VENUE WAS FAILING, AND SO THAT RAISED A LOT OF ALARMS AND I CAME HERE WITH SOME UNDER MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT WAS GONNA BE DECIDED HERE.
SO I'LL MAKE MY COMMENTS VERY QUICK.
ALL I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING AS FAR AS THE VENUE IS CONCERNED IS A REALLY GOOD BUSINESS PLAN.
HOW'S THIS GONNA WORK? WHERE'S THE AUDIENCE GONNA COME FROM? AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE, UH, DENVER ONE, IT'S 15 MILES AWAY FROM A LARGE, UH, POPULATION CENTER, AND WE'RE TWO HOURS AWAY FROM A LARGE POPULATION CENTER THAT'S A COMPETITOR.
SO HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THIS? HOW'S IT GONNA MAKE IT WORK? HOW'S, HOW ARE WE GONNA PRICE IT? HOW MUCH IS IT GONNA COST TO RENOVATE IT? ALL THAT KIND OF THING.
AND THEN WHERE'S THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM? WHAT IS THE BUSINESS ALLIANCE THAT'S BEING PUT TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS NOT AN EXPENSE FOR THE CITY, BUT AN ASSET TO THE CITY? AND ONCE THAT'S DONE, THAT'S GREAT.
AND I WOULDN'T, I'M NOT AT ALL OPPOSED IN ANY WAY OF MOVING AHEAD WITH LOOKING AT THIS SERIOUSLY.
UH, BUT IT JUST HAS TO BE DONE SERIOUSLY.
RIGHT NOW, I'M JUST HEARING A LOT OF, UM, EXCITEMENT.
BUT I'VE ALSO GOTTEN SOME NEW INFORMATION FROM SOME PEOPLE TONIGHT.
SO, UM, I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT COMES OF IT.
AND I GOT MY WATER, SO I'M NOT ALL DRIED OUT FROM LAST TIME.
UM, THE MOST INTERESTING SLIDE TO ME TONIGHT WAS THE RANK ORDERING OF THE PRIORITIES.
AND THIS CLEAR SIGNAL TO ME WAS THAT THE CITIZENS WHO RESPONDED DID NOT WANT COMMERCIAL VENUES.
THEY DID NOT WANT APARTMENTS ON THIS PROPERTY.
THEY WANT A COMMUNITY EVENT CENTER.
THEY WANT RECREATION, THEY WANT IT FOR THE CITIZENS.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR THREE YEARS, UH, I'VE HEARD THAT THE DELLS IS 10 YEARS OUT.
THE DES WAS 10 YEARS OUT, THREE YEARS AGO, TWO YEARS AGO, ONE YEAR AGO.
I THINK THE MESSAGE YOU SHOULD GET FROM THIS IS THAT YOU NEED TO GO LOOK AT THE DELLS SERIOUSLY.
AND YOU NEED TO TELL TONY TO MAYBE MAKE IT FIVE YEARS INSTEAD OF 10 AND START WORKING ON THIS BECAUSE THE CITIZENS ARE TELLING YOU THEY DON'T WANT HOUSING IN THE CULTURAL PARK IN THE WESTERN GATEWAY.
THEY WANT RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, THEY WANT ENTERTAINMENT, THEY WANT COMMUNITY THERE.
I CAN'T READ THE NAME ON THE NEXT CARD, BUT IT MIGHT BE TREY OR TR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IS THERE SOMEBODY HERE? TRACY? YEAH, I HAVE THAT.
ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA BE AN OUTLIER HERE.
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GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.MY NAME IS TRACY RANDALL AND I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA.
I AM HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK 2.0 PROPOSAL.
THIS PLAN GETS TWO FUNDAMENTAL THINGS WRONG.
FIRST, IT IGNORES THE REALITY OF WHERE THE SITE SITS.
THIS IS NOT JUST A PIECE OF LAND.
IT'S DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO THE GERDNER TRAILHEAD AND THE WESTERN GATEWAY TRAIL SYSTEM, WHICH DID NOT EXIST WHEN THE VENUE WAS OPERATING IN THE PAST.
AND THE FOREST SERVICE OUTLINED THE PLAN THAT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE MENTIONED.
THIS PROPOSAL BARELY ACKNOWLEDGES THE TRAILHEAD AND ACTUALLY MARKS IT AS FESTIVAL PARKING AND DOES NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT NOW SURROUNDS THE PROPERTY THAT DID NOT EXIST IN THE PRIOR ITERATION OF THE AMPHITHEATER.
THAT'S NOT AN OVERSIGHT, THAT'S A FAILURE OF THE PLAN.
MOST WESTERN CITIES AND COMMUNITIES ARE ACTIVELY INVESTING IN THEIR TRAIL SYSTEMS AND MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION.
THEY'RE TREATING TRAILS AS ESSENTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT A SECONDARY CONSIDERATION.
AND IF WE FAIL TO DO THE SAME, WE'RE NOT JUST MISSING THE MARK, WE'RE RISKING OUR GREATEST STRENGTH, OUR TRAILS, AND THE ACCESS TO THE BEAUTY THAT IS HERE.
SECOND, SEDONA DOES NOT NEED AN AMPHITHEATER OF THIS SCALE.
THIS IS A GATEWAY TO OUR PUBLIC LANDS.
IT SHOULD REFLECT WHAT MAKES SEDONA SPECIAL ACCESS TO NATURE AND RESPECT FOR THE LANDSCAPE.
THERE IS NO PLAN FOR SHARED USE PATHS.
BIKE ACCESS CONNECTIVITY TO THE GERDNER TRAILHEAD IN SURROUNDING TRAIL SYSTEMS IN THEIR PLANS.
I URGE YOU COUNSEL, PRIORITIZE WHAT MAKES SEDONA SPECIAL, OUR PUBLIC LANDS AND TRAILS, AND CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO AND COLLECT INFORMATION FROM THE FULL PUBLIC.
ITERATING ON YOUR PLAN THAT YOU HAVE AND CREATING MORE BALANCED USE FOR THE PROPERTY, EVENTS, CULTURE, HOUSING, AND ACCESS TO OUR PUBLIC LANDS.
THE SEVEN STORY APARTMENT BUILDING INITIALLY PROPOSED WAS NOT BALANCED.
AND A 5,500 SEAT AMPHITHEATER WITH THE REQUIRED PARKING IS NOT BALANCED.
UM, I LIVE IN SEDONA, FOLLOWED BY JOHN BRADSHAW.
UM, JOHN NEVILLE I THINK HAD A GOOD POINT.
I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO DO MORE STUDY AND I THINK WE NEED A GOOD BUSINESS PLAN.
UH, I THINK WE'RE IN PHASE ONE OF THIS.
I THINK THE CITY HAS TO CONTINUE STUDYING.
UH, I HAD THE IDEA FOUR YEARS AGO.
I'D LIKE TO SEE US GO TO A A SU OR A COLLEGE, UH, ASK THEIR ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE OR PLANNING GROUP, UH, TO COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS.
I THINK WE'RE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PHASE OF STUDYING.
AND IF YOU'RE GONNA KICK THIS DOWN THE ROAD, I THINK THAT'S OKAY.
I THINK THEY SHOULD COME BACK WITH A GOOD BUSINESS PLAN.
YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THE BUSINESS PLAN.
THE ONLY THING IS, I, I THINK WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S BEEN COGNIZANT OF TRAFFIC FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.
AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC.
AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 5,000 SEAT THEATER.
I THINK A THEATER WOULD BE NICE, BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SCALED CORRECTLY.
SO THERE'S A LOT MORE STUDY TO GO ON.
SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD STOP THE STUDYING.
WOULDN'T IT BE NICE? BUT MY QUESTION IS, AND IF I CAN ASK THE GENTLEMAN THAT DID THE SURVEY OF THE RESPONDENTS, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T ASK HIM.
WHAT WAS THE, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF RESPONDENTS TO THE TOTAL POPULATION? OKAY.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T VOTE, A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.
IT'S A GUIDE, BUT IT'S NOT A VOTE.
HEY, JOHN BRA, UH, FOLLOWED BY JOHNNY PATTERSON.
GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS JOHN BRADSHAW AND UM, I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN SEDONA, ARIZONA AND LIVE HERE TODAY.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, TRY TO GO THROUGH THE, THAT LIST OF THE 8% THAT, UH, WAS UNDECIDED.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WANNA DO WITH OUR MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING LETTER OF INTENT.
SO I JUST WANNA READ THE PURPOSE REALLY QUICK AND THEN JUST GO THROUGH THE BULLET POINTS.
UM, BUT WE HAVE A, A BASICALLY AN OUTLINE OF WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE FROM YOU GUYS, AND I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU IN WRITING IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT.
UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS MOU IS TO ESTABLISH A FRAMEWORK UNDER WHICH THE CITY OF SEDONA REQUEST THAT SCP TWO CONDUCT RESEARCH, ANALYSIS AND DUE DILIGENCE REGARDING THE FEASIBILITY VIABILITY AND POTENTIAL OPERATING MODELS FOR THE RENOVATION AND OPERATION OF THE EXISTING OUTDOOR AMPHITHEATER LOCATED WITHIN THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK.
THIS MOU IS EXPLORATORY AND INFORM INFORMATIONAL IN NATURE.
IT DOES NOT CONSTITUTE, NOR SHOULD IT BE INTERPRETED AS A COMMITMENT BY EITHER PARTY TO RENOVATE,
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FINANCE, LEASE, OPERATE, OR APPROVE ANY AMPHITHEATER PROJECT.ANY SUCH COMMITMENTS SHALL REQUIRE FURTHER SEPARATELY NEGOTIATED AND EXECUTED AGREEMENTS APPROVED BY THE APPROPRIATE GOVERNMENT, GOVERNMENT BODIES.
SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE THAT WE WANT AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA DO FROM THIS POINT FORWARD.
I'M JUST GONNA READ SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTED.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH TIME, SO WHY DON'T YOU SUBMIT THAT TO US.
BUT IT DOES ANSWER MOST OF THE QUESTIONS UP THERE ON THAT ONE.
WELL, MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO HASN'T SPOKEN YET CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
AMY, UH, JOHNNY PATTISON, FOLLOWED BY AMY WADDELL.
SO SOMEONE WHO HAS THIS, JUST A SEC, SOMEONE WHO HASN'T SPOKEN, WHO WANTS TO CONTINUE WHAT JOHN SAID, YOU'RE FREE TO WRITE A CARD AND HE CAN GIVE YOU HIS TALKING POINTS.
UM, I LIVE IN UNINCORPORATED SEDONA FOR OVER 46 YEARS.
UM, I WILL BE 47 IN TWO MONTHS.
UM, I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE AND SERVED A LOT OF YOU GUYS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
I ALSO SERVE THE, UM, TOURISTS UP IN UPTOWN SEDONA.
UM, I AM OPPOSED OF ANY HOUSING.
UM, THE GRAPHERS ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HANDLE ALL THE HOUSING YOU GUYS WANT TO DO, BUT THE AMPHITHEATER'S BEEN THERE.
IT CAN BE PART OF A COMMUNITY.
UM, YOU HAVE THE BLUEGRASS, YOU COULD DO BLUEGRASS FESTIVALS, YOU COULD DO YOUR YOGA FESTIVALS, YOU FILM FESTIVALS, CAN DO MOVIES OUT AT NIGHTTIME, OUT ON THAT AMPHITHEATER OUT IN THE PARK.
UM, EVEN IF IT'S NOT THE ACTUAL AMPHITHEATER ITSELF.
UM, JUST TO HAVE SOME KIND OF NICE, YOU KNOW, AREA FOR ALL OF OUR KIDS.
ALSO, YOUR ART SHOWS THAT YOU GUYS SHOVE INTO, UM, THE PARKING, LOTS OF THE RESTAURANTS AND STUFF OFFERED THEM TO GO OUT THERE AND BE ABLE TO SELL THEIR STUFF.
THE, UM, HIKING SHUTTLES YOU GUYS HAVE AT OUR SCHOOLS, UM, HAVE IT TAKE OFF FROM THERE.
AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO COME BACK FROM HIKING, OH, LOOK, THERE'S SHOT, THERE'S LITTLE TENTS, THERE'S FOOD, CAR, UH, FOOD TRUCKS.
THERE'S ALL SORTS OF STUFF YOU GUYS CAN DO WITH THAT OTHER THAN BUILDING MORE HOUSING THAT WE DO NOT NEED.
AND FYI BEING IN OR UNINCORPORATED SEDONA, 46 YEARS, I WAS DID NOT GET THAT LOVELY SURVEY OF YOUR GUYS' BECAUSE I HAVE NO SAY COMPARED TO WHAT YOU GUYS SAY.
I HAVE EMAILED YOU, BUT I WANTED TO COME UP AND ACTUALLY SPEAK MY MIND AND LET YOU GUYS KNOW, NOT JUST FOR MYSELF, NOT JUST FOR MY FELLOW COMMUNITY, BUT FOR TOURISTS AS WELL TOO.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO THINK I SHOULD RUN FROM MAYOR.
I WISH I COULD BECAUSE I COULD TELL YOU THIS PLACE WOULD BE A HELL, A LOT BETTER PLACE AND MORE KID FRIENDLY.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS AMY WADDELL, ONE MOMENT.
AND MY FAMILY MOVED HERE IN 1971 AND BROKE GROUND ON A STUDIO, UM, ON THE WAY TO COTTONWOOD, ARIZONA ACTUALLY.
AND, UM, IT WAS THE SAME YEAR THAT ABE MILLER BROKE GROUND ONTO LOCKIE PKI.
AND THERE WAS A GREAT REVERENCE FOR NATURE IN THESE PEOPLE LIKE ABE MILLER, MY FATHER, FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT, PAOLO SOLEI, THESE ARCHITECTS WHO CAME HERE AND BUILT HARBORS IN WHICH TO DO THEIR ART OR ARCHITECTURE, TO WELCOME PEOPLE TO CELEBRATE CULTURE AND COMMUNITY.
AND AT THAT TIME THERE WAS THE FLICKER SHACK, ONE MOVIE THEATER IN SEDONA.
THE ART CENTER HAD JUST BEEN BUILT PARTIALLY BY MAX ERNST.
AND THERE WAS THIS HERITAGE OF AMAZING ARTISTS LIKE MAX ERNST AND DOROTHY TANNING AND, UM, PHILLIPS C CURTIS, A A GREAT NUMBER OF THEM.
AND THERE'S A HISTORY HERE OF ARCHITECTS AND ARTISTS WHO THAT HAS SORT OF BEEN FORGOTTEN.
AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S A THREAD THAT WE IN SEDONA HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PICK UP AND WEAVE BACK THROUGH OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY.
AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD ECHO ALL THE WAY THROUGH NEW YORK, THROUGH PARIS, THROUGH ACROSS THE WORLD TRULY.
UM, WE HAVE INTERNATIONAL ARTISTS WHO CAME HERE FROM THE, THE TERRACES OF PARIS AND, UM, WORKED HERE AND BROUGHT THEIR FRIENDS HERE.
SO I'M SAYING ALL OF THIS BECAUSE, UH, WHEN THE CULTURAL PARK OPENED, UM, I WAS AT THE RIBBON CUTTING AND MY FATHER HAD PUT 12
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SCULPTURES THERE.AND IT WAS SO LOVELY TO WALK AROUND THIS BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED PLACE.
YOU COULD PAUSE WITH THE SCULPTURES AND SEE THE LANDSCAPE BEYOND THE, THE PIECE MY FATHER PUT IN THE GATHERING WAS AN INTERGENERATIONAL PIECE.
THERE WAS A CHILD FIGURE STANDING ON THE SHOULDERS.
I'LL STOP THERE, BUT I AM VERY MUCH FOR, AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE FORWARD.
SO I NOTICED THAT A CARD CAME IN.
JOETTA, YOU'RE THE NEXT SPEAKER.
WOULD YOU GIVE YOUR PLACE TO TONY SO HE COULD FINISH JOHN'S
HI, MY NAME IS, UH, TONY HAUSMAN AND I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA.
AND I'M JUST GONNA FINISH UP THE BULLET POINTS THAT, UH, JOHN BRADSHAW WAS, UH, TRYING TO MAKE IN REGARD TO WHAT IT IS THAT, UM, SCP TWO IS TRYING TO GET THEIR PERMISSION TO DO AND WHAT THEIR OBJECTIVES ARE.
UH, SO FINISHING UP HERE, UH, THE SCOPE OF THE REQUESTED ANALYSIS.
THEY'RE TRYING TO GET, UH, SEATING CAPACITY, MARKET DEMAND, EVALUATION OF THE APPROPRIATE SEATING CAPACITY, UH, RANGES FOR AN OUTDOOR AMPHITHEATER CONSIDERING, UH, CITY OF SEDONA POPULATION, THE SURROUNDING REGIONAL POPULATION, DESTINATION, TOURISM AND MUSIC, TOURISM PROJECTIONS, SEASONAL AND WEATHER RELATED OPERATIONAL FACTORS, UH, COMPARABLE OUTDOOR AMPHITHEATERS AND SIMILAR MARKET BENCHMARKS.
UH, THEY WANNA LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY.
SO ASSESSMENT OF THE FEASIBILITY OF SECURING FUNDING THROUGH NON TAXPAYER SOURCES, INCLUDING PRIVATE AND PUBLIC DONATIONS, GRANTS, SPONSORSHIPS, FUNDRAISING EVENTS, CROWDFUNDING.
THEY'D LIKE TO EV, EVALUATION OF FINANCIAL STRUCTURES COMMONLY USED FOR CITY OWNED NONPROFIT OPERATED AMPHITHEATERS, INCLUDING PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP MODELS.
UH, LIABILITY AND RISK ALLOCATION.
UM, THE HIGH LEVEL IDENTIFICATION OF POTENTIAL INDUSTRY STANDARD PRACTICE APPROACHES TO GENERAL LIABILITY INSURANCE, EVENT CANCELLATIONS, PATRON REFUNDS, PERFORMANCE OR REVENUE UNDER PERFORMANCE AND COMPARISON OF COMMON RISK ALLOCATION MODELS BETWEEN MUNICIPALITIES AND NON-PROFIT AND PRIVATE OPERATORS.
THEY'D ALSO LIKE TO, UH, GO OVER THE OPERATING STRUCTURE.
UM, EVALUATION OF POTENTIAL OPERATING MODELS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO CITY OR PRIVATELY OPERATED NONPROFIT MANAGEMENT, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, LONG-TERM LEASE OR, UH, CONCESSION TYPE MODELS.
YOU FINISH YOUR SENTENCE, TONY, IF YOU WILL.
AND, UH, THE PRELIMINARY CONSIDERATIONS RELATED TO STAFFING, GOVERNANCE, AND OVERSIGHT.
JOTA, FOLLOWED BY LISA ROSENBLUM.
COULD YOU EVENING COUNSEL? MY NAME'S JOANA WINTER.
AND, UH, I AM A BOARD MEMBER OF SCP 2.0 AND A LOCAL REALTOR.
I SEE FIRSTHAND THE DEMOGRAPHIC SHIFTS IN OUR TOWN RIGHT NOW.
UH, RIGHT NOW SEDONA IS AT A CROSSROADS.
OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, OUR TOURISM HAS REVERTED TO DAY TRIPPERS VISITORS WHO USE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT DON'T DEEPLY INVEST IN OUR COM EEC ON OUR ECONOMY.
AND I CAN SAY LIVING IN UPTOWN, I SEE THAT A LOT.
THIS TREND IS DIRECTLY LINKED TO OUR FAILING SCHOOL ENROLLMENTS.
IF WE WANT TO ATTRACT YOUNG FAMILIES AND HIGH INCOME PROFESSIONALS, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THE CULTURAL INFRASTRUCTURE THEY CRAVE.
IN A WORLD WHERE PEOPLE CAN WORK FROM ANYWHERE THEY CHOOSE TO LIVE, WHERE THE CULTURE IS VIBRANT AND ACTIVE.
AMPHITHEATER UPSCALES OUR VISITORS.
IT BRINGS IN THE EXPERIENCE SEEKER WHO STAYS FOR THE WEEKEND RATHER THAN AN HOUR.
WHEN THESE HIGH INCOME TOURISTS SPEND A FEW DAYS HERE FOR A WORLD CLASS EVENT, THEY STOP BEING JUST VISITORS.
THEY START SEEING THEMSELVES AS FUTURE RESIDENTS.
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO WILL BUY HOMES, PAY TAXES, AND PUT THEIR CHILDREN IN OUR SCHOOLS.
WE NEED TO SHIFT FROM BEING A DAY TRIP TO STOP TO A LIVE AND WORK DESTINATION.
REACTIVATING THE CULTURAL PARK IS THE KEY TO RECRUITING THE NEXT GENERATION OF RESIDENTS WHO WILL INVEST IN THE IN SEDONAS FUTURE.
IT'S TIME TO TURN SOMEDAY VISITORS INTO PERMANENT NEIGHBORS.
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GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF SEDONA COUNCIL.UM, MAYOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE, UM, THIS EVENING.
I'M IN SUPPORT OF REVIVING THE CULTURAL PARK NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
PLEASE, I AM A SEDONA RESIDENT.
SORRY ABOUT THAT AND YOUR NAME.
UM, AND, UH, I CO-PRODUCED THE SEDONA MUSIC FESTIVAL.
WE'RE A GRASSROOTS FESTIVAL, OUR FIRST ONE WE HAD LAST YEAR, AND IT WAS AT POSSE GROUND, WHICH WAS PHENOMENAL AND WE ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT, BUT WE'VE ALREADY OUTGROWN THAT.
AND SEDONA IS, THEY'RE BEGGING FOR THE JAZZ FESTIVAL TO COME BACK.
WE LOVE TO DANCE, WE LOVE TO SHARE IN, IN, IN MUSIC AND IN CULTURAL MUSIC.
AND, UM, I ACTUALLY PERFORMED ON STAGE WITH THE TEMPTATIONS IN 2003 AT THE CULTURAL PARK, ONE OF MY HIGHLIGHTS OF MY LIFE.
AND ALSO CONFIRMATION TO MY PASSION TO SUPPORTING MUSICIANS, MUSIC PRODUCERS, MESSENGERS OF THE LIGHT.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME OF THE MOST AMAZING MUSIC PRODUCERS, RECORDING ARTISTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THAT RECORDING ARTIST HERE IN SEDONA.
UM, STACY BURKE, WHO JUST LAUNCHED ANOTHER RECORD WHO'S PHENOMENAL AND DESERVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE SEEN IN THAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT.
WE ALSO HAVE, UM, MANY PEOPLE FROM, UM, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY PEOPLE IN THE RECORD INDUSTRY AND MUSIC INDUSTRY, PRODUCTION INDUSTRY THAT COME TO SEDONA ON A REGULAR BASIS AND WOULD LOVE TO PERFORM AND BE IN SUPPORT OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
WE ALSO, I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE YOUTH OF SEDONA.
WE HAVE SO MANY YOUNG FAMILIES THAT HAVE RECENTLY MOVED TO SEDONA THAT ARE BIRTHING BABIES.
AND WE, THEY DESERVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE THE CULTURAL PARK FOR THE PEOPLE.
SO WE HAVE NICK CIVIC, FOLLOWED BY ROBERT COSTA.
HEY THERE, COUNCIL NICK CIVIC, 12 YEAR SEDONA RESIDENT.
SO TO ME IT'S IRRELEVANT WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT PARCEL IN THE NINETIES OR THE TRUST ALL OF THAT TIME HAS PASSED.
IT WAS BOUGHT IN 2022 FOR HOUSING.
RECOGNIZE THAT IF HOUSING HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE FOR THE LAST 20 PLUS YEARS, NONE OF US WOULD BE IN THIS ROOM.
UM, WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
WE'VE BEEN SPINNING IN CIRCLES FOR YEARS, SO DON'T ASSUME THAT ANYONE KNOWS WHAT WOULD BE BUILT BECAUSE WE'RE JUST NOT THERE YET.
WE NEED A VARIETY OF HOUSING BECAUSE COMMUTERS DON'T MAKE COMMUNITY.
UH, SO WHAT DOES COMMUNITY LOOK LIKE TO ME? I WANNA SEE MY SERVER AT SNAP FITNESS.
I WANNA SEE MY MECHANIC WHILE GOING OUT AND GETTING COFFEE.
I WANNA SEE THE ASSISTANT AT MY DENTAL'S OFFICE, UH, AT SAFEWAY.
THIS IS NOT THE ESSENCE OF COMMUNITY.
THIS IS WHERE CONVERSATIONS START.
THIS IS WHERE IDEAS GET EXCHANGED.
THE AMPHITHEATER IS GREAT AS LONG AS WE INCLUDE SOME HOUSING.
SPENDING $23 MILLION FOR A PARK WHEN WE'RE SURROUNDED BY HALF A MILLION ACRES OF PUBLIC PROTECTED LAND SIMPLY DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME.
NOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'VE WORKED YOUR ENTIRE LIFE TO GET TO SEDONA OR IF YOU'RE SPENDING YOUR LIFE SO YOU CAN HAVE A LIFE IN SEDONA WORKING.
BOTH ARE VALID PEOPLE AND CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, THE DELLS IS NOT OUR COMMUNITY.
IN FACT, I THINK THE CULTURAL PARK BARELY IS.
AND WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THERE IS NO ART, THERE IS NO SCHOOLS, THERE'S NO BUSINESS, THERE'S NO AMPHITHEATER WITHOUT THE PEOPLE WHO RUN IT.
SO, EXCUSE ME, IT'S A HUGE MISS IF WE DON'T HAVE EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSING ON THAT PROPERTY.
REJECTING OR NOT COMPROMISING ON SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS EVERY MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY IS THE REAL ACTION OUT FEAR.
I'M A RESIDENT HERE OF SEDONA AND I WAS ONE OF THE 2.5%, UM, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION THAT ANSWERED THAT.
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TO ANSWER THE SURVEY 'CAUSE I WASN'T SURE EXACTLY HOW THAT SURVEY WOULD BE UTILIZED OR SCORED OR PRESENTED OR HOW THE DECISIONS WOULD BE MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL.SO I WAS ONE OF THE TWO POINT A HALF PERCENTERS.
JUST, JUST TO, JUST TO GIVE YOU A FACE AND A NAME FOR THAT TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT.
UM, I'M, I'M GONNA READ SOMETHING HERE JUST SO I KIND OF GET SOME OF THE FACTS OR THINGS I WANT TO COVER.
HE SAID, YOU KNOW, IIII THINK HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK A LOT OF US HAVE FALLEN OFF THE, JUST FALLEN OFF THE TURNIP TRUCK YESTERDAY AND WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS DOING.
UH, YOU MAY THINK THAT BY YOUR ACTIONS, YOU'VE SHOWN THAT BY CONSISTENTLY PUSHING AN AGENDA, YOUR AGENDA, THAT IS, THIS IS NOT WHAT WE BELIEVE MOST OF SEDONAS VOTING RESIDENTS WANT.
ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK I HEARD FROM THIS, AND I JUST WANNA CON CONFIRM 'CAUSE I DO, I, ALONG WITH BILL, I AM A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE PACT FOR THE, UH, THE INITIATIVE HERE IS, WAS A DECISION MADE OR NOT ON RESIDENTIAL AT THE CULTURAL PARK.
SO SOME OF THESE THINGS, I'M JUST NOT SURE WHAT IS THE FINAL OUTCOME FROM THE SURVEY.
AND I, ONE OF THE THINGS I HAD HERE WAS HOW MANY SURVEYS HAVE BEEN CARRIED OUT AT EXPENSE OF THE CITIZENS HAS KNOWN IN THE LAST FEW YEARS WITH DIG AND OTHERS THAT PROBABLY COULD HAVE HAD THE MONEY SPENT ON BETTER THINGS.
BUT WHEN YOU DON'T GET AN ANSWER YOU WANT, WE KEEP, WE KEEP DOING THESE SURVEYS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
WE DON'T GET TO THE MEAT OF THE, THE QUESTION AND GET AN ANSWER TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE RESIDENTS HERE OF THE CITY WANTS IS TO GET SOME ANSWERS AND BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON, ON YOUR ON.
ONE OF THE THINGS I LOOK AT, UH, WE KEEP ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL SURVEYS TO TRY TO GET A DIFFERENT ANSWER.
I THINK WE'VE HAD THE ANSWERS OVER AND OVER, BUT WE JUST HAVEN'T ACTED ON THEM.
I'LL LEAVE THE REST OF IT HERE.
IS SHE HERE? I HAVEN'T SEEN HER EITHER.
OKAY, SO ASSUMING SHE'S NOT, THEN TIFFANY HITS WHAT'S NEXT? UH, GOOD EVENING.
UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS DAVID KEY RESIDENT OF SEDONA ALWAYS IN, IN PART, UM, YOU KNOW, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE BUSINESSES.
SO I WILL USE MY FULL TWO MINUTES.
UM, THE IDEA OF AN AMPHITHEATER IS EXCITING.
UH, TRUST ME, AFTER A DECADE IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE IT.
UH, HOUSING FOR YOUR FELLOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS, A LITTLE LESS EXCITING ACCORDING TO THE SURVEY.
THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE IMPORTANCE WHATSOEVER.
UH, THE CITY OF SEDONA, AS YOU ALL KNOW, SPENT $23 MILLION BUYING A PROPERTY THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO CONTAIN MUCH MORE THAN A DEFUNCT AMPHITHEATER.
AS COUNCIL SHARED AT THAT TIME, THE PURCHASE WAS TO CREATE ADDITIONAL HOUSING SUPPLY.
UM, SO YOU ALL HAVE MADE YOUR INTENTION.
I, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING OPEN TO NEW IDEAS, FRESH IDEAS.
I THINK SOME PEOPLE IN THE ROOM ARE VERY COMMITTED TO ONE PATH AND ONE PATH ONLY.
THEY'VE BEEN CONVINCED THAT IT'S AN EITHER OR OPTION.
WHAT I HEAR IS, UH, IS A VERY COMPREHENSIVE PROJECT.
AND AS NICK POINTED OUT, WE'RE NOT TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THAT PROJECT YET.
BUT, UM, I WILL SHARE SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, STATS 'CAUSE I'M OFTEN ANECDOTAL WHEN I'M HERE.
BUT I'D LIKE TO, WHILE WE'RE IN THE ROOM, TO EDUCATE SOME FOLKS ON SOME OF THE REASONS WHY WE NEED HOUSING.
80% OF OUR WORKFORCE COMMUTES THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS AT 50% CAPACITY.
THE PERCENTAGE OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS RELATIVE TO THE TOTAL HOUSING SUPPLY HAS NEARLY DOUBLED IN FIVE YEARS.
FROM 9.8% TO 18.1% ARE DANGEROUS NUMBERS, A DANGEROUS PROGRESSION IF IT CONTINUES.
AND, UH, FEW COMMUNITIES WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEPLOY MEANINGFUL CAPITAL TO ADDRESS THE HOUSING CRISIS THAT DOESN'T JUST EXIST HERE.
FEWER WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT ON THE WORLD STAGE.
PEOPLE WATCH THIS MARKET, THEY COME TO THIS MARKET, THEY VISIT THIS MARKET.
YOU ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INSPIRE COMMUNITIES BEYOND OUR OWN TO STICK WITH THAT PROMISE TO WORK ON HOUSING.
AND JUST LIKE MY MOM TOLD ME WHEN I WAS A KID, YOU CAN'T HAVE CAKE WITHOUT EATING YOUR VEGETABLES.
SO WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO FIRST AND THEN TALK ABOUT WHAT'S FOR DESSERT.
TIFFANY, FOLLOWED BY BRIAN WELSH.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION TODAY.
I AM TIFFANY HITS RESIDENT OF SEDONA.
I JUST HAVE THREE QUICK THINGS TO SAY.
I'M IN FAVOR OF THE RESTORATION OF THE AMPHITHEATER.
I'M AN INDEPENDENT VOTER, BUT I, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, I'M STILL REGISTERED AND I DID NOT GET A MAILER.
AND THREE, I HAD TO GO ON THE CITY OF SEDONA WEBSITE TODAY TO CHANGE MY ROUTING NUMBER TO PAY A BILL.
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PHONE, BUT IF YOU'RE ON A LAPTOP, THE HOMEPAGE IS A PICTURE OF THE AMPHITHEATER AND THERE'S A POP-UP AND IT SAYS, WELCOME TO THE CITY OF SEDONA.A CITY THAT IS CONSTANTLY VIGILANT OVER THE PRESERVATION OF ITS NATURAL BEAUTY.
ITS SCENIC VISTAS, ITS PRISTINE ENVIRONMENT, AND ITS CULTURAL HERITAGE.
UH, COUNCIL MAYOR IN THE RESIDENCE.
I, UH, I CAME FOR PROBABLY ONE OF THE GREATEST TOURIST AREAS IN THE COUNTRY IN SAVANNAH, GEORGIA.
BORN AND RAISED THERE, 52 YEARS, LIVED IN FLORIDA AND FOR SIX YEARS AS A PART-TIME JOB, BUT, UH, SEEMED MORE LIKE FULL-TIME.
DID SECURITY WORK AT THREE MUSIC VENUES.
ONE WHICH OPENED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
THE SOUND IN CLEARWATER, FLORIDA, RIGHT ON THE RIGHT ON THE WATER.
NOW IT WAS ABOUT A 10,000 SEAT, BUT I GOTTA TELL YOU WHAT, YOU COULD GET EVERY KIND OF ACT, COUNTRY, OLD COUNTRY, NEW COUNTRY, NEW ROCK, OLD ROCK, BLUES, ART FESTIVALS.
I SAW A 10-YEAR-OLD KID IN HERE EARLIER TONIGHT.
I GUESS HE HAD TO GO HOME TO EAT DINNER.
BUT WHAT THE HECK ARE WE GONNA DO FOR KIDS? I'D LIKE TO SEE CULTURAL FESTS LIKE THE NATIVE OF INDIANS THAT LIVED IN THIS AREA AND OWN UP AND HAVE THEM COME DO SOME STUFF TOO.
AND LEARN ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO OCCUPIED WHO HAD THIS LAND BEFORE WE DID.
AND WE GOT SUCH AN OPPORTUNITY.
I DO AGREE WE NEED SOME HOUSING, BUT YOU TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA HAVE THIS PERSON WITH THIS PERSON.
MAN, I'M GONNA TELL YOU SOMETHING.
I MEAN, I MAY BE ON THE, UH, BACK END OF LIFE.
I'M NOT ON THE 18TH GREEN, BUT I'M DEFINITELY GO ON THE BACK NINE.
BUT I'M GONNA TELL YOU SOMETHING I'LL STILL THROW DOWN WITH YOU.
WHAT ARTISTS WOULDN'T WANT TO COME AND PERFORM IN THIS FACILITY? AND A LOT OF THOSE ARTISTS GETTING A LITTLE OLDER NOW, BUT MAN, THEY CAN STILL PLAY.
THAT'S NOT WHERE JERRY SEINFELD'S GONNA BE IN FLAGSTAFF.
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE JERRY SEINFELD HERE? THEY WOULD PACK IT.
I'M TELLING YOU, YOU'D SELL IT.
MAYBE WITH ALL THAT EXTRA INCOME COMING IN, WE CAN FIND SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE'RE GOTTA HAVE IT FOR WORKERS.
WE GOTTA HAVE THAT 10-YEAR-OLD KID HOPEFULLY GO THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL HERE AND HIS FAMILY AND I HAVE TO LEAVE.
CATHERINE VITALI, FOLLOWED BY LORI HUTCHINSON.
HI, MY NAME IS, UH, KAYLEE CATHERINE VITALI AND I LIVE IN COTTONWOOD, ARIZONA.
UM, I CAME TO SPEAK ABOUT ONE THING TO SUPPORT THE CULTURAL PARK AND THEN NOW I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF NUMBERS UP THERE AND I DON'T THINK I'M REPRESENTED.
I WORK IN THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY.
I'VE WORKED FOR YEARS IN SEDONA.
I HAVE VOLUNTEERED FOR THE SEDONA WINE FEST FOR THE SEDONA FILM FESTIVAL.
I HAVE WORKED WITH ARIZONA TOURISM TO GET $351 MILLION IN ECONOMIC OUTPUT FOR ARIZONA WINE TOURISM.
I HAVE HELPED GET OUR AMERICAN VITICULTURE AREA.
MY HUSBAND HAS WORKED AT PLACES WITH THE LISA DAHL.
I HAVE WORKED FOR PLACES WITH JEN MAY WITH THE MALDONADO'S WHO OWN MULTIPLE UH, ENTITIES HERE.
I HAVE AN 8-YEAR-OLD AND I AM REPRESENTED BY THAT 7% OF UNDERENGAGED PEOPLE FROM 40 TO 49.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT ME, UH, I'M NOT EVEN ACTUALLY ON THAT BECAUSE I'M ONE OF THE 80% OF WORKERS THAT LIVE IN COTTONWOOD.
WE WANTED TO LIVE IN SEDONA, BUT YOU GUYS MAKE IT REALLY HARD FOR FAMILIES.
AND HAVING A CULTURAL PARK FOR AN 8-YEAR-OLD AND A 16-YEAR-OLD THAT NEVER WANT TO DO THE SAME THING WOULD BE AMAZING FOR A MOTHER.
IT WOULD BE AMAZING FOR A FAMILY.
AND WHEN I SAY THERE'S EBBS AND FLOWS IN TOURISM, WE ACTUALLY GO ON VACATION IN JANUARY AND JULY EVERY YEAR.
THEY'RE NOT EBBS AND FLOWS, THEY ARE DEAD.
I HAVE TO BUDGET MY MONEY FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT MONTHS BEFORE.
IF WE DO THIS CORRECTLY, WE CAN ACTUALLY BOOK PEOPLE TO COME IN AND HAVE THE TOURISM BE STEADY.
HOUSING IS IMPORTANT, BUT WE NEED THIS.
THIS IS WHY WE CHOSE COTTONWOOD OVER SEDONA.
THIS IS WHY YOU LOST ME AND MY HUSBAND AND OUR KIDS.
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IS LORI HUTCHINSON HERE? ANYONE NAMED LORI HERE? MAYOR.RICHARD CAPPEL FOLLOWED BY, I'M GONNA WORK ON THIS NAME.
HELLO, MY NAME'S RICHARD KEPPEL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL.
UM, I'M GONNA BE A LITTLE CONTRARIAN HERE BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SEE IS A LOT OF, FROM THIS ANALYSIS AND FROM THIS IS THAT SO MANY SEDONAS ARE REALLY, REALLY SANE.
AND IT MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT WAY THAT THEY WANT THIS $23 MILLION INVESTMENT.
THEY WANT THIS PLACE WITH A LOT OF HERITAGE AND, AND HISTORY TO REALLY BE A SEDONA THING, RIGHT? AM I RIGHT? EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE A SEDONA, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO WHY THE HELL ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ADDING MORE TOURISM BY HAVING A VENUE TO BRING PEOPLE IN? THAT SEEMS CONTRARY.
AND HOW DO WE DO THAT? LOOK, WE'VE HAD SHORT TERM RENTALS.
YOU'VE ALL PROBABLY SEEN ME ON NEXT DOOR RAPPING ABOUT IT.
THOSE OF US WHO WANNA LIVE IN COTTONWOOD, I BET YOU THEY'D LOVED TO HAVE HAD A HOUSE HERE IF IT WAS AVAILABLE.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, MY OPINION IS IF WE WANT TO GET BACK TO COMMUNITY AND THE CULTURE THAT WE HAD 20 YEARS AGO, WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE OF THOSE MIDDLE AGE GROUPS HERE WHO YET CAN'T AFFORD IT BECAUSE 68% BY THE NUMBERS RIGHT, ARE IN FACT OVER 65.
THEIR RETIREES HAVE OWNED THEIR OWN MULTIMILLION DOLLAR HOMES.
BUT WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE AGES? WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO LIVE? SHORT TERM RENTAL.
THIS IS A WAY FOR US TO TAKE OUR CULTURE BACK, ONE HOUSE, ONE APARTMENT AT A TIME.
AND I SEE THIS IS A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TAKE THE CULTURAL PARK AND DO THAT.
SO THAT'S MY POSITION, THAT'S OUR PRIORITY.
BUT THE FIRST PRIORITY NEEDS TO BE GETTING PEOPLE THAT WILL IN FACT BE THE CULTURE, NOT EXPECT PEOPLE TO COME FROM OUTSIDE OUR COMMUNITY TO GIVE IT TO US.
I THINK IT'S SEDONA FIRST AND I'M FULLY A SEDONA AND WANT TO SUPPORT US HERE IN THIS ROOM.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS JANINE HERE.
GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND FELLOW SEDONA RESIDENTS.
MY NAME IS MARTIN DOBO KAI AND I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR FOUR YEARS.
BEFORE MOVING HERE, I WORKED FOR 15 YEARS IN THE MUSIC AND PRODUCTION INDUSTRY.
I LIVED IN SIX OF THEM AND I SPEAK THREE OF THEIR LANGUAGES.
NOW LET ME SAY THIS, I'M FLABBERGASTED AT THE FACT THAT WE'RE EVEN DISCUSSING THIS RIGHT NOW.
AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU REALIZE HOW MUCH OF A GEM WE HAVE HERE WITH THE AMPHITHEATER.
I TRAVELED THE WORLD AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
WE'RE TALKING WORLD CLASS VENUE.
THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY ARE PRETTY CLEAR TO ME.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THE AMPHITHEATER COMING BACK TO LIFE ARE THE ONES WHO ARE IN OVERWHELMING SUPPORT OF IT.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MY FELLOW RESIDENTS OVER THE AGE OF 65 WHO OPPOSED THE REV IZATION OF THE CULTURAL PARK, WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOU AND EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE AND BRINGING US TO LIFE.
BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE THE ONES ENJOYING THIS CULTURAL PARK.
THIS IS A ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CREATE A LEGACY FOR YOUR CHILDREN, FOR YOUR GRANDCHILDREN, FOR YOUR GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN AND SO ON.
WHO WILL ENJOY AND CREATE LASTING MEMORIES FOR 100 YEARS.
PLEASE SUPPORT THE PROJECTS THAT WILL MAKE OUR COMMUNITY THRIVE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
UH, MICHAEL NIGRO, FOLLOWED BY WILDER
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COUNTY MAYOR AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS.WHAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS? UH, DON'T WANNA TAKE TOO MUCH TIME, SO I'LL JUST GET QUICK.
UM, THE NAME OF THE ROAD LEADING TO THE MICHAEL, CAN YOU SAY YOUR NAME? I'M SORRY.
UH, THE NAME OF THE ROAD LEADING TO THE CULTURAL PARK IS CULTURAL PARK ROAD, NOT HOUSING ROAD, NOT SEVEN 11 ROAD.
SO WE JUST NEED TO COME TOGETHER.
EVERYBODY ELSE MADE THE POINTS.
UM, WE CAN LITERALLY THROW A ROCK AND HIT A PIECE OF DIRT TO BUILD SOMETHING ON.
THE DELLS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.
I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THAT.
THAT PLACE IS A GEM WORLD CLASS.
I'VE TRAVELED THE WORLD, I PLAY ON STAGES.
ANYBODY WOULD LOVE TO PLAY ON THAT STAGE.
WE CAN DO IT IN A WAY THAT IS RESPECTFUL TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE TOOK A LOT OF BOXES AND POINTED THEM, MADE 'EM REALLY LOUD.
THE NEIGHBORS AREN'T GONNA HEAR A THING.
WE CAN, WE CAN MITIGATE THOSE THINGS.
SO THE TECHNOLOGY EXISTS TO MAKE THIS NOT A PROBLEM ANYMORE.
I WOULD PROBABLY SAY THAT THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM.
IF I LIVED ON THAT ROAD AND I BUILT A NICE HOUSE AND THERE WAS A BIG CULTURAL PARK THERE PLAYING MUSIC, I'D PROBABLY CALL THE COPS AND COMPLAIN.
BUT WITH TECHNOLOGY, WITH, UH, BETTER PLANNING, UM, NEWER METHODS FOR DEPLOYING SOUND AND EVEN INAUDIBLE SOLUTIONS WHERE PEOPLE COULD BE IN THAT AUDIENCE UNTIL MIDNIGHT WITH HEADPHONES ON HAVING A GREAT TIME, THERE'S NO NEED FOR IT.
AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, THESE EVENTS ARE GONNA GET OUT WAY AFTER THE TRAFFIC.
YOU KNOW WHAT TIME THE TRAFFIC STARTS IN TOWN? IT'S DAYTIME EVENTS GO TONIGHT.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA, YOU'RE NOT EVEN GONNA KNOW IT.
SO COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS IS, IS KIND OF RIDICULOUS.
AND LASTLY, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT, UH, OPPOSE OR, UM, WANT TO HAVE HOUSING, THEY DEFINITELY HAVE AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE HERE.
THAT PLACE IS NOT FOR HOUSING.
GET YOUR MONEY, IDEAS OF MONEY WITH THE CULTURAL PARK, WITH ALL THESE BUSINESSES.
OKAY, IS WILL DURHAM HERE? WILL THINK YOU MAY LAST.
UH, TAYLOR SMITH, FOLLOWED BY DANNY PICARD.
DANNY PICARD AND THEN SCOTT ROSS.
I'M DANNY PICARD, UH, SEDONA RESIDENT FOR EIGHT YEARS.
UM, I'VE SPENT NUMEROUS EVENINGS MORE THAN I COULD EVER IMAGINE OUT ON CULTURAL PARK DREAMING OF HOW I COULD POSSIBLY COME UP WITH THE MONEY TO PURCHASE IT FROM THE CITY.
SO IT WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED.
THAT LAND IS SO SACRED AND BEAUTIFUL AND THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THE LAND HERE IN SEDONA THAT, YOU KNOW, I JUST REALLY NEED TO REITERATE.
IT'S A VERY SPECIAL LAND AND IT DESERVES RESPECT.
SO, AND RESPECT IS HUGE, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS TOWN, WITH THE LAND.
IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT AND VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, THERE'S, I DO LOVE THE IDEA OF THE AMPHITHEATER.
IT'S ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL PLACES THAT YOU CAN SIT AND WATCH WITH SUNSET TO DREAM OF NEW FUTURES AND TO ENVISION WHAT IT IS YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING WITH YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR FAMILY, OR WHAT YOU'RE GONNA CREATE THE NEXT YEAR.
IT'S A PLACE THAT POSSIBILITIES COME ALIVE.
IT'S A PLACE WHERE JOURNEYS BEGIN AND ALSO END.
SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE FOR EVERYBODY TO KEEP IN MIND WITH WHATEVER IS PLANNED WITH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
JUST BECAUSE WE BUY SOMETHING, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO BUILD SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE ONE OF THE MOST CHERISHED PARKS IN THE ENTIRE STATE IF WE WANTED THAT TO BE.
SO I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE OPTIONS THAT PROBABLY COULD BE WEIGHED.
A BIG, BIG, UH, THING ABOUT CHOICES AND NAVIGATING.
UM, I KNOW IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE IN EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERYBODY'S OPINION, BUT, UM, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PROPERTY DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO BUILD ON IT.
UH, MARTHA LYNN LORENZO, FOLLOWED BY JACK ECKY.
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HELLO.UH, THANKS FOR GIVING ME THE TIME.
UM, MARTHA, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE PLEASE? YES, MY NAME IS MARTHA LYNN LORENZO AND I'M A SEDONA RESIDENT.
UM, PERSONALLY, I AM OPPOSED TO HOUSING AT THE CULTURAL PARK, HOWEVER, I CAME UP TO SPEAK TODAY BECAUSE I DIDN'T RECEIVE A SURVEY IN THE MAIL.
AND I'VE ALSO HEARD A COUPLE OTHER RESIDENTS HERE SAY THAT THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE THE SURVEYS.
UM, I DID IMMEDIATELY REACH OUT, WELL, NOT IMMEDIATELY, BUT WHEN I REACHED OUT TO THE CITY CLERK, SHE IMMEDIATELY RESPONDED WITH A LINK, WHICH WAS WONDERFUL.
SO MY THOUGHTS COULD BE HEARD, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF THE SURVEY WHEN IT COMES TO HOW MANY OF US RESIDENTS WERE ACTUALLY INCLUDED.
OKAY, WE'RE GETTING TO THE END.
JACK KAKI, FOLLOWED BY BEN MILLER.
YOU'RE NOT JACK, I'M JUST SIGNING UP RIGHT NOW.
OH, IF WE STILL CAN, WHY COULD TAKE THIS SLOT? NO, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK NEEDS TO SIGN RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE WE'RE CLOSING THIS AFTER THE LAST CARD.
SO IF JACK'S NOT HERE, THEN WE'LL GO TO BEN MILLER.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
I CURRENTLY RESIDE IN SCOTTSDALE.
UM, AS SOME OF YOU KNOW, UM, I WAS LIKE JOHN BRADSHAW.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN SEDONA AND I WAS ON THE ORIGINAL CULTURAL PARK BOARD, UM, AND PROBABLY WENT TO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE EVENTS AT THE CULTURAL PARK AS SOME OF THE FOLKS OVER HERE WOULD ATTEST TO
SO, UH, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE AMPHITHEATER.
UM, AND SO YOU'VE HEARD ME PROBABLY SPEAK IN PREVIOUS, UM, MEETINGS, AND IT MAY HAVE COME ACROSS LIKE I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE CULTURE PART 2.0 FOLKS.
I, I, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THEM, UH, THEIR MISSION.
I KNOW A LOT OF 'EM WORKED WITH A LOT OF 'EM FOR DECADES, REALLY RESPECT THEM PERSONALLY AND PROFESSIONALLY.
SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT, UM, I'M IN SUPPORT OF WHAT THEIR MISSION IS.
THE ONLY THINGS THAT I WOULD ADD TO THAT WOULD BE, AND, AND CHRIS ALLUDED TO IT, WHICH IS TO, TO DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY AND TO REALLY UNDERSTAND FROM AN INDEPENDENT GROUP TO DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY.
AND WHETHER THE 2.0 FOLKS DO IT, OR MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THE CITY OF SEDONA.
AND THEN THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, IS IT 20, 2500 SEATS? IS IT 5,000 SEATS? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THE CORRECT AMOUNT TO MAKE THIS THING AS SUCCESSFUL AS POSSIBLE? BECAUSE BACK WHEN I WAS ON THE BOARD, THERE WERE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE DON'T REALLY TALK ABOUT NOW THAT WERE CHALLENGES, NO QUESTION.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT HAPPENS.
I'D ALSO RECOMMEND THAT ONCE YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MASTER PLAN THIS, THEN AN RFP IS CREATED AND GOES OUT TO MULTIPLE DEVELOPERS IN ORDER TO COME BACK AND PRESENT THEIR IDEAS ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARK.
UH, I SEEM TO, I I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY A WAY TO INCLUDE HOUSING INTO THE MIX OF A, OF A MULTIFACETED, UH, CULTURAL PARK THAT COULD BE UNBELIEVABLE.
LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS THAT I'VE HEARD TODAY.
YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN UP ON THE VERY TOP.
I'VE WALKED THAT THING A MILLION TIMES AND THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY UNIQUE PART OF THE WORLD.
AND I JUST THINK LIKE THE CULTURE OF 2.0 FOLKS, LET, LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE DO IT RIGHT AND LET'S DO SOMETHING THERE THAT WE CAN JUST REALLY, UH, BE SUPER PROUD OF.
AND THAT, THAT IT BECOMES A WORLD DESTINATION, WHICH I REALLY THINK IT CAN BE.
HENRY SILBERG, FOLLOWED BY HEINER ZACKER AND THEN JAMES MONARCH.
OKAY, THIS TIME WE'LL DO A LITTLE MORE.
UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO START WITH IS THAT WE'RE ALL MISSING THE POINT HERE.
THE PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT WITH THE COUNCIL SAYING AFTER THEY GOT IT, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
WELL, YOU STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED IT OUT, HAVE YOU? OKAY THEN, UH, YOU ALWAYS HAD IN MIND HOUSING.
SO TO ADDRESS THAT, YOU DECIDED, SOMEBODY DECIDED TO SEND A WHITE MAILING YOUR MAILING FOR THE SURVEY, UH, ONCE THE INITIATIVE CAME IN AND THEN YOU DECIDED TO
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SUE BECAUSE YOU SOUGHT HOLLY, EVEN THOUGH YOU WEREN'T DOING IT AS MAYOR, THAT YOU WERE PROTECTING ZONING.WE NEED, WE NEED A CITY COUNCIL THAT LISTENS TO US AND STOPS FORCING UNPOPULAR PROGRAMS ON US, LIKE THE HOMELESS CAR PARK.
WOO, SUBSIDIZED HOUSING AT SHELBY AND APARTMENTS AT THE CULTURAL PARK.
WE NEED JUDICIOUS STEWARDS OF PUBLIC FUNDS INSTEAD OF SPREAD THRIFTS.
THERE SHOULD BE REAL COMMUNITY OUTREACH IN THE CURRENT REGIME.
COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEANS OUTREACHING TO THE PUBLIC TO TELL THEM WHAT THE CITY IS GOING TO DO TO US.
THE CITY SHOULD INSTEAD BE REACHING OUT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS AND THEN TRY TO IMPLEMENT THAT UNDER THE CURRENT COUNCIL.
I REALLY THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THIS CULTURAL PARK.
YOU GOT 222 UNITS IN THE SYSTEM.
YOU'VE GOT, UH, TONY OVER THERE MAKING A SPEECH THAT SAID, WE GOT MORE HOMES THAN THIS.
WE NEED AT THIS POINT IN THE 2020 MAY 25TH MEETING.
SO WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? YOU'RE JUST NOT LISTENING.
AND TO SUE US AFTER THE INITIATIVE CAME IN, I, I FIND THAT, UH, PARABLE.
I'M JUST GONNA READ IT 'CAUSE I'M OTHERWISE NOT THAT WELL PREPARED.
DEAR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, DEAR MAYOR, ASSISTANT MAYOR, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I KNOW IT CAN BE AN UNTHANKFUL JOB.
I LOVE THE CITY OF SEDONA AND EVERYTHING YOU'VE ALL HELPED TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.
HOWEVER, WHEN I FIRST MOVED UP HERE SIX YEARS AGO AND I WENT TO VISIT THE AMPHITHEATERS SLASH CULTURAL PARK, I ASKED MYSELF, WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD A CITY LET SUCH AN INCREDIBLE PIECE OF CULTURAL ARCHITECTURE RIGHT AWAY? WHAT A BEAUTIFUL LOCATION.
AND I STILL HOLD THAT OPINION.
IT IS A SPACE WHERE COMMUNITY CAN GATHER AND TOURISTS CAN COME TO PARTAKE AND ENJOY A SLICE OF SEDONA.
I'M FROM GERMANY AND MY WIFE IS FROM PHOENIX.
WE USED TO COME CAMPING IN SEDONA 17 YEARS AGO, AND WE FELL IN LOVE IN SEDONA AND WE FELL IN LOVE WITH SEDONA.
WE GOT MARRIED HERE 15 YEARS AGO.
NOW WE ARE RAISING THREE KIDS IN OAK CREEK VALLEY IN VILLE, AND BOTH OF US WORK IN SEDONA.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT TRAFFIC MAY INCREASE THE SMIDGEN WHEN WE BRING EVENTS HERE, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT TOURISM IS THE LIFEBLOOD OF SEDDON.
A SPACE FOR LOCALS AND TOURISTS ALIKE TO GATHER AND ENJOY WOULD BE MARVELOUS INDEED.
WE JUST HAD A BLAST AT POSSE GROUNDS PARKED FOR EASTER.
AND WE WOULD BE EXCITED TO RAISE OUR CHILDREN IN A CITY THAT ENCOURAGES THE ARTS.
WE HOPE THAT THE AMPHITHEATER CAN BE RESTORED AND BECOME A SPACE FOR OUR CHILDREN TO GROW UP MORE CULTURED THAN THEY WOULD WITHOUT IT.
ON THAT NOTE TOO, I THINK AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THIS INDUSTRY, LIKE UH, CALI VITAL SAID EARLIER, NEED A PLACE TO LIVE ALSO WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
THIS IS MY LAST CARD, SO I'M JUST GIVING YOU NOTICE THAT IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, YOU MUST FILL OUT A CARD, OTHERWISE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL BE CLOSED.
MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL AND ALL THE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING US ALL HERE.
UM, I AM A RESIDENT OF SEDONA.
I'M UP HERE LITERALLY EVERY WEEK, BUT I ALSO LIVE PART-TIME IN PHOENIX.
UM, I CAME TO SEDONA BY WAY OF MY PARENTS.
THEY RETIRED HERE BACK IN 89, AND I, BECAUSE OF THAT I WENT TO COLLEGE UP IN FLAGSTAFF.
SO I'VE SEEN THE, ALL THE CHANGES IN SEDONA SINCE 1989 UNTIL NOW.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE CONFLICTS WITH, WITH HOUSING, BUT WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL AND A GEM OF A, OF A CULTURAL PARK THAT NEEDS TO CONTINUE.
ALL THE STUDIES HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE.
THE STUDIES WILL GET PROBABLY MORE PROGRESSIVE AND EASIER NOW BECAUSE IT'S BEEN OVER 26 YEARS SINCE THE STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE.
SO I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO THE STUDIES AND, AND RETHINK IT, BUT IT'S ALREADY THERE.
THE ONLY REASON WHY THE CULTURAL PARK DOESN'T OPERATE IS 'CAUSE GEORGIA, UNFORTUNATELY, GEORGIA FONTIER IS NO LONGER AROUND.
PEOPLE THAT WORKED THERE PROFITED, THE COMMUNITY PROFITED, BUT IT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT, SO NOBODY TOOK THAT STAGE.
THE ACTUAL COUNCIL OR THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS DISSOLVED AND IT WAS LEFT ALONE.
SO I THINK IT'S TIME TO RETHINK AND MAKE THAT DRIVE
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AND REOPEN IT.UM, BUT YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE EVERYBODY HERE, TODAY'S PRETTY MUCH IN IN FAVOR OF IT.
NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE HERE ARE DISFAVOR IT.
UM, I'M IN THE HOSPITALITY FIELD AND NOT REPRESENTING EVERYBODY HERE IN, IN SEDONA.
I TRAVEL A LOT THROUGHOUT THE US AND ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE THINGS I SEE BEING IN THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY IS, HEY, WHEN, WHAT IS THE CULTURAL PARK GONNA OPEN UP AGAIN? BELIEVE IT OR NOT, SO I WORK IN TENNESSEE, I WORK IN FLORIDA.
I KNOW WHY PINK JEEPS WENT TO TENNESSEE, 'CAUSE OF THE SMOKY, UH, MOUNTAINS THERE.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE TRUE RISK PARK COMPARED TO, UH, YELLOWSTONE OR EVEN GRAND CANYON, BUT THAT'S WHY THEY DID THAT.
SO TO CONTINUE THOUGH, I THINK LISTENING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE STAGE OF SEDONA WHERE I TRAVEL AND HOST WINE EVENTS, THAT'S ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE THINGS I HEAR.
IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE WANT TO COME BACK TO SEDONA AND ENJOY THAT CULTURAL PART.
JAMES, CAN YOU SAY YOUR LAST NAME, YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? UH, YES, JAMES ICCI.
UM, MONACHE, MY PARENTS ACTUALLY BROUGHT ME HERE, UH, OPERATED THE FOOD BANK FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND THERE'S A PLAQUE ON THE NEW FOOD BANK PAYING HOMAGE TO THEM.
OKAY, SO I, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS BEFORE WE START, WHICH IS JUST TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
THE, THE CITY WENT OUT ON WITH A CONTRACT FOR COMPANY TO DO A MASTER PLAN.
THE MASTER PLAN HAD DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
THERE WERE MANY, UH, DIFFERENT COMMUNITY OUTREACH SESSIONS IN WHICH PEOPLE VOTED, AND THERE WAS ALSO ONLINE PEOPLE COULD VOTE ONLINE.
SO IT HAD A PRETTY GOOD RESPONSE RATE.
AND THERE WERE TWO PLANS THAT RAISED TO THE SURFACE AND THEY WERE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, AND COUNCIL DID NOT SUPPORT THOSE PLANS.
COUNCIL SAID AT THE TIME THAT THE HOUSING WAS TOO DENSE AND WANTED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT SOME LOWER AMOUNT OF HOUSING TO BE PLACED THERE.
AND ALSO ON THE PLANS, THERE WAS A, A LOT OF DIFFERENT AMENITIES THAT CAME WITH THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE, INCLUDE A VARIETY OF AMENITIES.
AND THEN THE STONE FILM FESTIVAL CAME AND THEY ASKED FOR PART OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IT WAS STILL IN THE PROCESS.
IT HAD NOT BEEN ADOPTED, IT HAD NOT BEEN ACCEPTED, AND THERE IS NO CURRENT PLAN.
WE ARE TRYING TO MASTER PLAN THIS 41 ACRES, AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE'VE GONE TO AN EITHER OR AND I DON'T THINK IT'S AN EITHER OR.
I THINK IT'S A, AND AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ANDS ARE, BUT ON 41 ACRES THERE CAN BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UH, COMMUNITY BASED ACTIVITIES CAN BE AN EVENT LAWN, THERE CAN BE AN AMPHITHEATER, THERE CAN BE A COMMUNITY, UH, RECREATION CENTER AT SOME POINT USE UP ALL THE 41 ACRES, BUT WE'RE NOT AT THAT PLACE YET.
SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, OR, OR IN THE SENSE OF AMPHITHEATER AND NO OTHER, 'CAUSE THE AMPHITHEATER DOESN'T TAKE UP 41 ACRES, SO THERE CAN BE AN AMPHITHEATER THAT SITS WITH OTHER COMMUNITY BENEFITS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THE AIR THERE BECAUSE I HEAR A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
THEN FINALLY, I'LL SAY THAT THE PURCHASE PRICE OF THE CULTURAL PARK WAS $20 MILLION, JUST TO BE ACCURATE, NOT $23 MILLION.
SO COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL AND BE AWARE THAT LAUREN IS LOOKING FOR NEXT STEPS IF WE ARE READY TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.
UH, FIRST OFF, THANKS FOR, UH, THE PRESENTERS THIS EVENING.
UH, THANKS FOR EVERYBODY THAT STUCK AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO, UH, HAVE YOUR NAME CALLED AND SPEAK, UH, TO THE PUBLIC AND SHARE WITH US YOUR THOUGHTS.
UM, THERE'S BEEN, UH, A WIDE VARIETY OF, UH, INPUT PROVIDED AND IT'S MUCH APPRECIATED.
YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE NOW BECAUSE OF VARYING DEGREES OF SOME SUPPORT FOR, UH, WHAT 2.0 HAS COME FORWARD AND ASKED FOR, WHICH AGAIN, WHAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR IS TIME TO PROVIDE A PROPER
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STUDY, A FEASIBILITY STUDY, A BUSINESS PLAN, UM, AND AS COUNSEL, THERE'S BEEN SOME WAVERING OF YES OR NO ABOUT THAT.AND SO THAT'S WHERE THIS SURVEY CAME ALONG, WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA BE WASTING ANYBODY'S TIME HAVING A FEASIBILITY STUDY, A BUSINESS PLAN, UH, PUT TOGETHER IF THERE WASN'T GOING TO WIND UP BEING SUPPORT FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR, UH, AN AMPHITHEATER.
IN THE END, WE'VE ALL HEARD AND SEEN WHAT THE DATA SAYS ABOUT THIS SURVEY AND WHETHER YOU LIKE THE SURVEY, DON'T LIKE THE SURVEY.
THE REALITY IS, IS THERE IS SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY INTEREST IN THERE BEING AN AMPHITHEATER OPERATING ON THAT PIECE OF LAND.
AND I THINK THAT THE DEGREE OF INTEREST WARRANTS THIS COUNSEL PROVIDING THE TIME AND THE PROPER COMMUNICATION TO SAY, LET'S GET A FEASIBILITY STUDY, LET'S, UH, GET A BUSINESS PLAN PUT TOGETHER.
I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR MONTHS, I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT WE SHOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE, UH, POTENTIAL IS FOR, UH, AN AMPHITHEATER TO BE ABLE TO BE SUCCESSFUL AGAIN.
SO, UH, I'VE BEEN IN SUPPORT OF MOVING FORWARD WITH, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE CALL IT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT, A LETTER OF INTENT OR, OR WHATNOT, BUT I DO THINK THAT A NON-EXCLUSIVE REQUEST FOR INFORMATION, UM, THAT, UH, PROVIDES ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN DOING A FEASIBILITY STUDY, PUTTING THEIR OWN BUSINESS PLAN TOGETHER, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME, UH, INTEREST FROM SOME OTHER PARTIES.
UM, I THINK VERY LIGHTLY TO SAY THE LEAST AS FAR AS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THOSE ARE CREDIBLE, UH, INDICATIONS OF INTEREST.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT, UH, WE SHOULD TAKE THE TIME, WE SHOULD WANT TO KNOW, UH, WHETHER THERE IS A VIABLE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING BACK THAT AMPHITHEATER.
UM, I THINK I'LL STOP RIGHT THERE.
UH, ONE, ONE OTHER CLARIFICATION ON THE RECORD, THE AMPHITHEATER THAT'S SHOWN ON THE WEBSITE IS NOT THIS AMPHITHEATER, IT'S THE ONE AT POSSE GROUND PARK.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY THAT POINT, UM, JOHN BRADSHAW AND JEN MAY CAN ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT I'VE BEEN VERY SKEPTICAL OF THIS AMPHITHEATER TO SAY THE LEAST.
JOHN AND I HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT.
UM, I'M STILL SKEPTICAL, SKEPTICAL, CAN'T TALK.
UM, I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO PUSHED FOR THE SURVEY BECAUSE BEFORE WE WENT DOWN THE PATH OF HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH SCP 2.0 OR WHOEVER IT MIGHT BE, I WANTED TO KNOW WHETHER THERE WAS SUPPORT AND, YOU KNOW, STATISTICAL AS TIE ASIDE, THERE IS MORE SUPPORT FOR THE AMPHITHEATER THAN THERE ISN'T.
UM, I THINK THAT, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION WITH SCP 2.0 ABOUT A, A NON-EXCLUSIVE LETTER OF INTENT.
UM, I THINK, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR ANNETTE OR FOR KURT OR WHOM, BUT I THINK AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, WE LOOK AT AN RFI SEE IF THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE OUT THERE WHO HAS SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW, PLAN, BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT, SCP 2.0 HAS DONE THE WORK.
UH, THEY DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN YET, AND THIS ISN'T A COMMITMENT TO ACCEPT WHATEVER BUSINESS PLAN THEY COME UP WITH.
BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO LET THEM MOVE FORWARD AND, AND MAKE THE CALLS AND CONTACT THE PEOPLE AND EVENTUALLY COME BACK TO US WITH SOMETHING THAT WE CAN THEN LOOK AT AND SAY, OKAY, IS THIS, IS THIS WORK? YEAH.
ARE WE, I DO NOT SUPPORT PUTTING CITY MONEY INTO THIS ENDEAVOR.
UM, I SAID, AND I I THINK I SAID TO YOU, JEN, IF, IF THERE WAS OVERWHELMING PUBLIC SUPPORT, THEN MAYBE I WOULD.
UM, I DON'T THINK THIS IS OVERWHELMING PUBLIC SUPPORT.
I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THERE IS MORE SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT THAN THERE ISN'T, BUT NOT ENOUGH FOR ME TO COMMIT CITY FUNDS TO IT.
SO I THINK THAT YOUR PLAN NEEDS TO BE SELF-SUSTAINING.
UM, I COULD SEE US DOING THE SAME THING WE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE CIF, YOU KNOW, EXTENSION OF SOME UTILITIES OR SOMETHING.
LIKE, I, I'M FINE WITH THAT, BUT I HAVE NO INTEREST IN SEEING THE CITY SPEND TAX DOLLARS ON EITHER RENOVATING THIS OR SUBSIDIZING IT OR ANY OF THAT.
UM, BUT I SAY WE MOVE FORWARD, UH, LET YOU GUYS LOOK INTO IT, SEE WHAT YOU CAN TELL US, AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU'LL CONVINCE ME THAT IT CAN WORK.
UM, HOUSING'S STILL IMPORTANT.
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ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE DELLS IS ALWAYS 10 YEARS OUT.I'VE BEEN HERE JUST ABOUT 10 YEARS AND YEAH, THE DELLS HAS ALWAYS BEEN 10 YEARS OUT.
UM, SO IF, IF WE CAN GET SOME HOUSING ON THIS SITE, I WOULD STILL LIKE TO SEE SOME.
I THINK IT WOULD BE COOL IF A FEW PEOPLE COULD LIVE IN VICINITY OF THE AMPHITHEATER.
UM, I LIVED IN THE WOODLANDS, TEXAS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND THERE WERE CONDOS, UM, RIGHT NEXT TO THE, UM, WOODLANDS PAVILION.
YOU KNOW, THEY COULD SIT OUT ON THEIR BALCONY AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE CONCERT TO LISTEN TO MUSIC.
IN FACT, I LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO THE ONE AT THE POSSE GROUNDS PARK, SO I HEAR THE DRUM CIRCLES EVERY THURSDAY AND FRIDAY, WHICH THAT'S A MIXED BLESSING, BUT
UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOUSING, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AMPHITHEATER OR GREEN SPACE OR WHATEVER IT IS.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK THE RESIDENTS HAVE TOLD US WHAT THEY WANT AND I THINK WE NEED TO LISTEN.
I CAME INTO THIS ONE, THIS WHOLE SURVEY TRYING TO LOOK AT IT, UM, STEPPING BACK, LOOKING AT IT CLOSE UP, DOING A DEEP, AS DEEP A DIVE AS I COULD FIGURE OUT, ESPECIALLY WITH THOSE, YOU KNOW, UNDECIDED PEOPLE.
UM, TRYING TO LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.
AND WHAT I GOT OUT OF IT IS EVERYBODY, AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT EVERYBODY SEEMS TO WANT IS THE COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE ACROSS ALL AGE GROUPS, REC CENTER.
THAT KIND OF SURPRISED ME THAT IT WAS AS HIGH UP ON THE LIST, BUT IT WAS OKAY.
EVENT, LAWN, AND THEN AMPHITHEATER.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY TO ALL YOU YOUNG FOLKS OUT THERE, PLEASE DON'T WRITE OFF THE AGE 65 AND ABOVE POPULATION.
UH, WE VOTE HERE, WE ANSWER SURVEYS, WE CONTRIBUTE, AND WE ARE GONNA BE AROUND FOR AT LEAST A WHILE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT YOU, YOU YOUNG FOLKS.
UM, AND OUR OPINIONS COUNT TOO.
SO AS TO, I AGREE WITH WHAT DEREK HAS SAID, I'M HAPPY TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BE IN A AS PUBLIC A WAY AS POSSIBLE.
NOT SIMPLY THE C UM, CP 2.0 FOLKS, BUT AN RFI OR SOME, BUT APPROPRIATE METHOD TO TRY TO, UM, SEE IF THERE ARE OTHER GROUPS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN TAKING THIS ON, WHAT IT MIGHT COST, WHAT THEIR APPROACH WOULD BE.
I, I ALSO AGREE, I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE CITY MONEY SUBSIDIZING IT.
PERHAPS SOME EARLY INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT.
UM, AND I, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KEEP ON TALKING ABOUT IT.
I'M, I'M SORT OF SAD THAT SO MANY PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO WANT TO HAVE ANY HOUSING THERE.
UM, I THINK THEY'RE TALKING AGAINST THEIR OWN BEST INTERESTS, BUT I'D LIKE TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT THAT TOO AND, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT A MASTER PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO, YEAH, LET ME ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS AS WELL.
IT WAS ASKED 1620 RESPONSES OUTTA 7 35, UH, REGISTERED VOTERS IS 23% OF THE VOTERS AND ONLY 16.1% OF THE POPULATION, RIGHT? SO THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL, BUT THAT IS WHAT IT IS.
AND WE ARE HERE ECHOING WHAT THE MAYOR STARTED SAYING, WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE GOT SOME EARLY FEEDBACK, DOING A LOT OF OUTREACH WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT SUPPORT FOR HOUSING.
NOW WE'RE GETTING SOME DIFFERENT FEEDBACK, WHICH IS A GOOD THING, RIGHT? WE COULD HAVE STOPPED EARLIER AND GONE AHEAD, BUT NOW WE'RE HEARING PERHAPS A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DIFFERENT.
I THINK WE'RE HEARING, YOU KNOW, THE, WE HEARD EARLIER FROM THOSE THAT SUPPORT HOUSING, AND NOW WE'RE HEARING FROM A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT PERHAPS EITHER DON'T SUPPORT HOUSING OR WANT THE CP THE AMPHITHEATER.
IF YOU THINK THIS IS EASY TO MAKE DECISIONS, YOU KNOW, RUN FOR OFFICE IS, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT EASY.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SAY, JUST DO THIS.
'CAUSE EVERY TIME WE ASK, WE HEAR SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO TAKE MY HATS OFF, MY HAT OFF.
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OF THE THIS COMMUNITY EFFORT THAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THESE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS.IT HAS BEEN THE MOST SUCCESSFUL COMMUNITY OUTREACH ORGANIZING THAT I'VE SEEN.
UH, NOT JUST HERE IN SEDONA, BUT IN OTHER PLACES, RIGHT? STILL ONLY 16.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL ONLY 16% OF THE POPULATION REPRESENTED BY EVERYBODY.
SO, YOU KNOW, TO CUT TO THE CHASE AND THEN I'LL ADD STUFF ELSEWHERE.
YOU WOULD BE A CRAZY POLITICIAN TO SAY, WELL, WE DID ALL THIS WORK AND WE HEARD EARLIER THIS STUFF.
AH, LET'S JUST KEEP ON THE PLAN, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
WE, WE, WE HEAR YOU AND WE HEARD LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO COMMUNICATED VIA EMAIL.
SO CLEARLY MORE WORK HAS TO BE DONE HERE ABOUT WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES OF AN AMPHITHEATER ON THIS PROPERTY.
CLEARLY, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THAT EFFORT AS WELL.
UH, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS.
YOU KNOW, I, WE'VE HEARD FROM THE SUPPORTERS THAT THIS ISN'T A, IT'S AN, A UNIQUE AND MAGICAL SPOT, BUT THERE ARE AMPHITHEATERS IN LOTS OF PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN GOING IN, RIGHT? SO I THINK WE COULD MOVE TOWARDS GETTING AN RFP OUT FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THIS THING AND THE OPERATION OF THIS THING.
MAYBE THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT RFPS.
I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM STAFF ABOUT HOW BEST TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T A NEW EFFORT.
IT'S BEEN DONE LOTS OF TIMES IN THE LAST 10 YEARS AROUND THE UNITED STATES.
AND I THINK THAT IT'S EASY TO GET THE ANSWERS, THE BUSINESS CASE, THE REAL NUMBERS, AND IT HAS TO BE ANSWERS FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO DO THE BUILDING OR DO THE OPERATING.
WE COULD SPEND A LOT OF TIME PUTTING UP THE DREAM RFP TOGETHER OF WHAT WE THINK WE WANT AND PUT IT OUT THERE AND IT MIGHT NOT GET ANY BIDS,
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT IS YOU DO NOT HAVE PEOPLE HELPING YOU WRITE THE RFP.
THAT'S LIKE CONTRACTING 1 0 1.
SO HOW WE GET TO THIS R-F-I-R-F-P, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL.
I AM ABSOLUTELY AGAINST AN EXCLUSIVE NEGOTIATING AGREEMENT WITH ANYBODY.
THAT'S, UH, LOTS OF CHARGES AND CORRUPTION IN THE PUBLIC WORLD, AND THAT'S THE PATH TO GETTING THOSE CHARGES LEVIED AGAINST YOU.
SO IT'S GOTTA BE A VERY OPEN PROCESS.
AND ANYONE THAT WANTS TO BID SHOULD GET A CHANCE TO BID.
SO NOW, HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO SAY TO FOLLOW UP ABOUT THIS.
WHEN YOUR GRANDPARENTS AND I SAY THAT WITH GREAT RESPECT, BECAUSE I'M A GRANDPARENT, I'M IN THAT AGE DEMOGRAPHIC, BUT WHEN YOUR GRANDPARENTS START TO GET INTERESTED IN A TREND, THE TREND MIGHT BE OVER.
I'M NOT A MUSIC INDUSTRY EXPERT.
WHAT I KNOW IS THAT MY KIDS GREW UP LISTENING TO MY MUSIC AND THEY REALLY DIDN'T LIKE IT.
JOAN JETT AND JERRY SEINFELD ARE GREAT PEOPLE, AND I WOULD GO TO SEE 'EM.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE TOURING FOREVER.
THE WORLD HAS FRACTURED IN A WAY THAT IN THE FUTURE, THE STARS, THEY'RE NOT LIKE AS BIG.
THERE WAS, THERE'S SO MANY VENUES.
THERE'S SO MANY WAYS TO COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE.
SMALLER AND SMALLER POPULATIONS ARE FINDING THINGS THAT THEY LIKE.
AND SO I'M WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE OF THIS THING IS.
I AGREE THAT JOAN JET AND JERRY SEINFELD COULD GET HERE AND BE SUCCESSFUL, BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY'RE NOT TOURING ANYMORE? YOU KNOW, TAYLOR SWIFT, SURE, YOU CAN POINT TO SOME PEOPLE THAT WILL BE, UH, ATTRACTIVE NEW ENTERTAINERS, BUT I WORRY ABOUT THE, THE, UH, THE FUTURE GENERATION'S ABILITY TO RUN LARGE AMPHITHEATERS.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S EXPERTS.
I'M NOT REALLY, UH, THE, THE, THE BIG DEMOGRAPHIC THAT'S GONNA SUPPORT THIS, YOU KNOW, BE SPENDING MY MONEY TO GO LISTEN TO MUSIC AT THIS PLACE IN THE FUTURE.
SO, SO YES, I I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD TO GET MORE INFORMATION, ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.
SO I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN THE TYRANNY OF, OR, UM, I'M ALSO WELL AWARE THAT AND HAS ITS ISSUES TOO.
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THIS, TO ME, THIS IS MORE THAN LIKE AMPHITHEATER.THIS ISN'T ABOUT AMPHITHEATER.
I THINK THAT, UH, RICHARD KEPPEL WAS CORRECT.
WHAT WE'RE REALLY SEEING HERE IS PEOPLE WANT SOMETHING FOR OUR COMMUNITY, FOR US.
AND THAT'S WHY THOSE FIRST THREE THINGS ARE ABOUT THE, FOR US.
AND THE FOURTH IS THE AMPHITHEATER.
SO I, I DON'T WANT THIS TO TURN INTO, LET'S ONLY GO AND EXPLORE THE AMPHITHEATER.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THE AMPHITHEATER IS GONNA BE THE ONLY THING THAT'S UP THERE ON THAT LAND.
WE NEED THE EVENT GATHERING SPACE.
THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE EVENT SPACE.
I THINK THE EVENT SPACE IS THE FACT THAT POSSE GROUND HAS GOTTEN TOO SMALL, ESPECIALLY AFTER WE PUT IN THE PICKLEBALL COURTS FOR US TO HOST THE MOUNTAIN BIKING FESTIVAL AND THE WINE FESTIVAL AND THE YO FEST.
THAT TO ME IS EVENT SPACE, NOT AN AMPHITHEATER.
AND THEN WHEN I THINK ABOUT, UH, THE COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER, WELL, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO AN RFI OUT THERE, WE SHOULD BE DOING ONE FOR A REC CENTER BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CHEAP, I SUSPECT.
AND WE NEED TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THAT.
AND WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
THE REC CENTER, BY THE WAY, WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS OUT ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN, THE MASTER PLAN AND A COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE, TO ME IS A GREEN LAWN SPACE.
IT'S A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN GO HANG OUT.
IT'S A PLACE WHERE YOU GO AND SPREAD YOUR BLANKET IF YOU'RE YOUNG AND YOUR LAWN CHAIR, IF YOU'RE OLD AND YOU LISTEN TO A RED DIRT CONCERT, RIGHT? THE RED DIRT CONCERTS HAVE OUTGROWN POSSE GROUNDS.
THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO GO TO THE RED DIRT CONCERTS NOW.
THEY NEED A BIGGER SPACE, BUT THEY DON'T NEED 5,500 SEATS TO DO THAT.
WE'RE JUST NOT THAT BIG A COMMUNITY WHO'S GONNA GO AND SHOW UP.
SO I THINK THIS IS ABOUT, THIS HAS GOTTA BE ABOUT US AS SEDDON.
IT'S GOTTA BE ABOUT THINGS THAT WE WANT.
AND I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT IT HAS TO BE ABOUT THINGS THAT WE WANT.
I'VE ALWAYS ARGUED THAT WE DON'T DO ENOUGH EVENTS FOR US IN THIS COMMUNITY.
WE DON'T INVITE OUR TRIBAL NEIGHBORS TO COME AND HOLD AN EVENT THAT WE CAN GO TO AND UNDERSTAND MORE, RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S SO MUCH WE COULD DO AS A COMMUNITY, AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AMPHITHEATER.
AND SO I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY WE DON'T GO FORWARD AND WE DON'T EXPLORE, BUT I'M SAYING THAT CAN'T BE THE ONLY THING THAT WE TALK ABOUT UP THERE.
IT CAN'T BE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE REST OF THIS LAND AND TURN IT INTO PARKING SPACES FOR THE AMPHITHEATER, RIGHT? THIS HAS GOTTA BE ABOUT WHAT WE WANT.
AND WHAT I HEAR FROM THIS SURVEY IS WE WANT COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACES.
WE WANT A COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER IF WE'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT.
I'M JUST GONNA PUT THAT CAVEAT OUT THERE.
UM, AND WE WANT AN EVENT LINE.
WE WANNA TAKE POSSE GROUNDS AND RUN IT ON STEROIDS.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO UP IN THAT SPACE.
AND IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO ALSO SIT UP THERE AS A COMMUNITY AND WATCH THE SUNSETS TOGETHER.
AND IF WE WANNA GO MOUNTAIN BIKING, WE CAN BRING OUR MOUNTAIN BIKING AND GO MOUNTAIN BIKING AND THEN COME AND JOIN THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY DOING SOMETHING ELSE.
THERE'S JUST A LOT WE CAN DO UP THERE THAT I THINK HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AMPHITHEATER.
SO WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THIS.
AND, AND HONESTLY, WE PUT SIF UP THERE, WE TOLD 'EM THEY COULD HAVE SOME LAND.
THAT'S PRETTY CULTURAL, RIGHT? C, F AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WHAT I DON'T WANNA HAVE HAPPEN IS I DON'T WANT US TO MASTER PLAN PIECE BY PIECE BY PIECE, BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE DONE, WE'VE GOT FRANKENSTEIN INSTEAD OF SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL AND WONDERFUL.
AND SO I THINK THAT WE, WE HAVE A LONGER CONVERSATION IN FRONT OF US AROUND HOW DO WE GET TO THIS POINT WHERE WE HONOR AND RESPECT AND BRING OUR COMMUNITY TOGETHER BECAUSE WE'RE BECOMING MORE AND MORE FRACTURED AS WE GET MORE SHORT TERM RENTALS IN PLACE, AS WE GET MORE SECOND HOMES AND THIRD HOMES HERE.
WE ARE, WE, WE NEED TO FIND WAYS TO BRING COMMUNITY TOGETHER.
I THINK THAT WE CAN DO THAT UP THERE.
UM, I THINK WE'VE JUST BECOME A COMMUNITY THAT WANTS TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BE A COMMUNITY.
SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO US DOING AN RFI OR WHATEVER THE TERM IS AROUND THE AMPHITHEATER TO FIND OUT IF IT'S, IT'S A VIABLE PIECE.
I AGREE WE SHOULDN'T BE PAYING FOR IT.
JUST LIKE CIF, THEY'RE ON THEIR OWN AND THEY PAY US A LEASE FOR THE LAND.
SO IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME, RIGHT? IF WE'RE BUILDING A REC CENTER AS A CITY, DIFFERENT PROBLEM.
IF IT'S OUR COMMUNITY SPACE FROM THE CITY, DIFFERENT PROBLEM.
JOSH IS GONNA BE SO BUSY, HE ISN'T GONNA KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH HIMSELF.
JOSH, BY THE WAY, IS HEAD OF PARKS AND RECS, UM, AND AN EVENT LAWN RUNS INTO THE SAME SPACE.
SO I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, FIGURE OUT HOW WE GET MORE INFORMATION, HOW WE TRY TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT IS COHESIVE
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AND THAT HONORS US AS A COMMUNITY AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE BRINGING IN MORE TOURISTS.YOU KNOW, THERE WERE TWO THINGS THAT I LEFT OUT.
ONE WAS RESPONDING TO STAFF'S QUESTION.
ONE OTHER ELEMENT I WANNA PUT OUT THERE.
I WON'T BE HERE NEXT YEAR, RIGHT? RIGHT.
I'M ENDING MY TERM AT THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
IT'S BEEN A, A GREAT HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO SERVE, BUT I AM GONNA CHOOSE TO FOCUS ON SOME DIFFERENT THINGS IN MY LIFE MOVING FORWARD.
UM, BUT I DID WANNA BRING OUT, I WANT TO TIE TOGETHER THE ELEMENTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN TODAY'S MEETING.
THIS IS STILL AND WILL BE A PUBLIC PROPERTY.
ANYTHING WE DO HERE IS GONNA BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME BONDING AND INSURANCE AND REPORTING REQUIREMENTS THAT THE RANGER STATION, PARK BUILDING INTERIOR THAT WE VOTED ON EARLIER TODAY.
AND IF YOU THOUGHT THAT WAS EXPENSIVE, WAIT TILL YOU GET THE NUMBER FOR WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN OUT AT THE CULTURAL PARK.
SO I JUST WANT YOU DON'T, DON'T NOT THINK ABOUT THAT.
BE PREPARED WHEN THESE NUMBERS COME BACK THAT YOU'RE, IT'S GONNA BE A DIFFERENT THING.
SO, AND THEN TO ANSWERS TO ASK QUESTIONS, I'M RIGHT WITH MELISSA.
I SAID I, I THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT R-F-I-R-F-P, WHATEVER THIS PROCESS IS GONNA BE.
UH, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO CONTINUE THE PLANNING ON THESE OTHER THINGS WE SHOULDN'T.
I I, I AM, I AM WORRIED THAT TWO YEARS FROM NOW WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE FINAL NUMBERS FOR THE POTENTIAL OF A CULTURAL PARK AND NO ONE'S GONNA HAVE THE APPETITE FOR IT.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, IT, IT WOULD BE, IT'S DUMB OF US NOT TO CONTINUE THE THINKING ABOUT HOW ELSE THAT PROPERTY IS USED.
AND SO WE DO NEED TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME TYPE OF PLANNING ACTIVITY THAT ALLOWS US THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO MULTIPLE THINGS IN THE FUTURE.
BUT WE NEED TO CONTINUE THAT PROCESS NOW.
UM, WHEN I GAVE MY REMARKS, I REALLY TRIED TO STAY FOCUSED ON THE MATTER AT HAND HERE.
MY COLLEAGUES HAVE EXPANDED IT A LITTLE BIT, AND I WANT TO AT LEAST, UH, ADD IN THAT, WHAT THE MAYOR SAID TO START THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS, THAT IT'S NOT JUST THAT THIS PROPERTY CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THIS OR THAT.
THERE REALLY NEEDS TO BE THOSE ANDS IN THERE.
THAT'S THE COMPROMISE THAT WE NEED TO FIND.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOBODY MAY BE ABSOLUTELY THRILLED WITH A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT IF EVERYBODY FINDS THAT THERE'S SOMETHING IN IT FOR THEM THROUGH COMPROMISE THOSE ANDS, THEN I THINK WE'RE ARRIVING AT A GOOD PLACE.
SO I DO WANNA SEE HOUSING OUT THERE, NOWHERE NEAR THE KINDS OF NUMBERS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO US THE LAST TIME THAT DICK STUDIOS WAS IN FRONT OF US.
BUT I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL THAT PURCHASED THIS PIECE OF LAND, WHILE THERE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A PLAN FOR IT IN THAT MOMENT, THERE WAS A DESIRE FOR THERE TO BE HOUSING SO THAT, YOU KNOW, NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN A SURPRISE TO ANYBODY THAT THERE WAS A DESIRE, UH, FOR HOUSING AT THE CULTURAL PARK PROPERTY.
SO I'D STILL LIKE TO SEE THAT, WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO WORK ON WHAT THAT COULD BE AS WELL.
AND ON MAY 13TH, WE'LL HAVE THE NEXT INSTALLMENT OF THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY AND AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE'LL HEAR, YOU'LL HEAR, UM, WHAT THE THOUGHTS ARE ON WHERE THAT PROPOSED INCREMENTAL AMOUNT OF HOUSING IN SEDONA MIGHT BE LOCATED.
AND THAT'LL INCLUDE WHAT MIGHT BE INCLUDED AT THE CULTURAL PARK PROPERTY.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT, TONY.
AND WITH THAT, THANK YOU MAYOR.
UH, SO I JUST WANT TO SAY WHERE I'M COMING FROM, I SUPPORTED, WHEN WE GO BACK TO, UH, CONVERSATION, WE HAD, GEEZ, SEEMS LIKE IT WAS SO LONG AGO,
ACTUALLY, IT WAS IN DECEMBER WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR BUDGET PREPS.
AND AT THAT POINT WE TALKED, THE LETTER OF INTENT WAS BEFORE US.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, PROVIDING AN AGREEMENT FOR THE LETTER OF INTENT.
AND WE HAD A MAJORITY ON THE COUNCIL THAT SEEMED INCLINED TO DO THAT.
AND A WEEK LATER, THAT ALL TURNED AROUND.
IT SEEMED LIKE WE DIDN'T HAVE A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL AGREEING TO THAT.
INSTEAD, THE IDEA OF A SURVEY CAME OUT BECAUSE PEOPLE REALLY WANTED TO KNOW WHAT DID THE COMMUNITY THINK.
I SAID AT THAT TIME, HALF THE PEOPLE I TALKED TO WANTED WANT THE AMPHITHEATER, AND HALF THE PEOPLE I TALKED TO DON'T WANT THE AMPHITHEATER.
AND GUESS WHAT? THAT'S WHAT THE SURVEY SAID.
SO YOU COULD HAVE PAID ME AND I WOULD'VE DONE THE SURVEY FOR YOU
BUT SERIOUSLY, I, I DO THINK THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S BECOME EITHER THIS OR THAT.
AND SO MY OPENING REMARKS WERE, I DON'T THINK
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IT'S EITHER OR.SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF GIVING A LETTER OF INTENT THAT IS NEGOTIATED BETWEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CULTURAL PARK 2.0 PEOPLE, AS I HAVE BEEN FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
UH, I THINK THE SURVEY GAVE US MORE DATA TO SUPPORT THAT.
UM, BUT THE, SO I'M DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA POLL COUNSEL, WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE READY TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
I THOUGHT WE WERE, AND NO, I'M NOT SURE.
SO WHO IS READY TO, AND BY THE WAY, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE CAN'T DO ANY OF THESE OTHER THINGS.
LIKE A, WE GIVE, WE KNOW CULTURAL PARK 2.0 IS INTERESTED IN THIS.
WE DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE IS INTERESTED.
AND WE CAN REACH OUT, UH, TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE GREATER PUBLIC TO SEE IF THERE ARE OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES AND THEY CAN COME AND NEGOTIATE SOME BOARD, YOUR BOARD, EXCUSE ME, NEGOTIATE SOMETHING WITH THE CITY AND COME BACK AND GIVE US THEIR PROPOSALS.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT, AGAIN, ONE PROHIBITS THE OTHER.
UH, SO I WANNA JUST ASK MY COLLEAGUES, ARE YOU READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PROVIDING A LETTER OF INTENT THAT WOULD BE NEGOTIATED BETWEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE 2.0 PEOPLE TO EXPLORE THE, UH, FEASIBILITY OF RESTORING THE CULTURAL PARK? MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCILORS, JUST IF I MIGHT BE BEFORE, UM, I'D LIKE TO BRING THAT LETTER BACK FOR COUNCIL'S REVIEW BEFORE IT'S FINALIZED.
YES, WE CAN DEFINITELY DRAFT IT, BUT WE BRING IT BACK ON MAY 20, WHATEVER THAT MEETING IS, 26TH.
I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE FINE BECAUSE, UH, WE ARE GONNA BE GETTING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN THE COMING WEEKS ABOUT THE BALANCED, UH, HOUSING STUDY OR WORK THAT TONY'S DONE.
AND AGAIN, I THINK ONCE WE SEE THAT AND TALK ABOUT THAT, WE MAY, WE DO NEED HOUSING.
WHERE THAT HOUSING IS LOCATED, TO ME IS AN OPEN ISSUE, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE AGREE OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS IS THE AMOUNT OF HOUSING WE NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY.
SO I'M NOT READY TO SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHERE IT SHOULD BE.
I WANT TO HEAR HOW MANY UNITS THAT IS AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, OVER 10 YEARS, BUT STARTING NOW TO SEE WHERE IT COULD FIT IN OTHER PLACES.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE READY, WE'RE READY.
NO, I'VE GOT A MAKE A POINT, MAYOR.
I THINK THERE IS INTEREST IN MOVING FORWARD, BUT THAT IT IS EXPRESSLY SAID THAT IT IS NON-EXCLUSIVE, RIGHT? I I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT.
I'M STILL TALKING NOW YOU'VE INTERRUPTED MY FLOW, SO SORRY.
UH, SO I WANT TO POLL THE COUNCIL TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT I HEARD DEREK SAY YES, HE WAS READY, BUT I'M GONNA GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YES OR NO RIGHT NOW.
I WANT TO HEAR WHAT SHE SAYS BEFORE
SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON WHY WE NEED A LETTER OF INTENT.
WHY, WHY DO WE NEED A LETTER OF INTENT? UM, THEY NEED TO GO OUT AND DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY.
THEY NEED YOU BECAUSE WE'VE, I, I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
BECAUSE IT'S BEEN TOLD TO US REPEATEDLY BY THE 2.0 PEOPLE THAT THEY WANT ONE, I WANNA KNOW WHY WE NEED ONE THAT TO ENGAGE WITH THE OPERATORS OF VARIOUS ENTERTAINMENT VENUES REQUIRES THEM TO KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH IT WILL BE HOUSED IS SERIOUS ABOUT IT.
SO THE LETTER OF INTENT GIVES THEM THAT ASSURANCE THAT WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT PURSUING THIS.
NOT THAT WE HAVE MADE A DECISION ABOUT IT, BUT THAT WE ARE SERIOUS IN PURSUING IT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD ANY NUMBER OF TIMES BY THE 2.0 PEOPLE.
AT LEAST FOUR TIMES THAT I RECALL DEREK.
UM, AS A LAWYER, I GENERALLY DON'T LIKE LETTERS OF INTENT.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE PARTICULARLY WORTHWHILE, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO.
AND I, WHEN THEY TELL US THAT THE POWERS THAT BE, THE LIVE NATIONS OR WHOEVER WOULD POTENTIALLY, I SHUDDERED THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WHOEVER WOULD DO THIS, IF THEY SAY THEY'RE NOT GONNA TALK WITHOUT A LETTER OF INTENT, I BELIEVE HER BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO GIVE THEM WEIGHT.
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YOU KNOW, I DON'T CONTROL THE WORLD.SO, UH, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WE GIVE THEM A NON-EXCLUSIVE LETTER OF INTENT SAYS, YEAH, GO TALK.
AND AT THE SAME TIME WE'LL EXPLORE WHAT THE OTHER ANGLES ARE, BUT WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET, WE'RE NEVER GONNA HEAR A PLAN IF WE DON'T LET THEM GO OUT AND TRY TO COME UP WITH A PLAN.
SO YES, I SUPPORT AN NON-EXCLUSIVE LOADER INTENT.
OKAY, SO I HEAR DEREK, I'LL POINT AN ORDER YET.
THANK YOU FOR LOOKING THIS WAY,
WE'RE ALMOST, YOU KNOW, CALLING FOR A VOTE AND WE ALL SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO ABSOLUTELY COMMENT ON, ON THE QUESTION AT HAND.
SO I LIKE SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES, I'M NOT SURE THAT I YET UNDERSTAND WHAT A LETTER OF INTENT DOES AND WHAT DID WELL, HOW IS IT DIFFERENT THAN JUST MOVING TOWARDS AN RFI OR AN RFQ AND I, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM MY PROFESSIONAL STAFF ABOUT WHAT A LETTER OF INTENT MEANS, BOTH LEGALLY AND OR CONTRACTUALLY, YOU KNOW? RIGHT? THERE'S LOTS OF, AND, AND I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER TONIGHT.
I WANT IT TO BE A THOUGHTFUL ANSWER ABOUT HOW THIS
I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT IT DOES AND WHAT WE'LL DO WITH THE INFORMATION THAT COMES BACK.
BECAUSE IF IT LEADS TO THIS IS THE STEP THAT NOW WE'LL SHOVE IT INTO AN RFP AND MOVE FORWARD LATER, I THINK THAT'S A MISSTEP.
AND I SURE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM MY CONTRACTS AND LEGAL FOLKS ABOUT THAT.
AND A THOUGHTFUL ANSWER ABOUT THAT.
I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THOUGHTFUL IT'LL BE, COUNCILOR FURMAN, BUT TO CAREFUL
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE SUBSEQUENT TO A LETTER OF INTENT.
A LETTER OF INTENT IS TO ALLOW THE CP TWO FOLKS TO ACTUALLY GO AND HAVE A SIT DOWN CONVERSATION WITH, WITH EVENT VENUE, UM, BUILDERS AND OPERATORS.
WITHOUT THAT, THEY CAN'T, THEY PROBABLY, YOU GET SOLICITATIONS, I IMAGINE THEY GET SOLICITATIONS FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH GREAT IDEAS, AND IT'S HARD TO WEED THROUGH WHO ACTUALLY HAS SOME TYPE OF OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT IDEA INTO A REALITY.
THE LETTER OF INTENT IS JUST THAT LITTLE BRIDGE TO GIVE THEM, UH, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH THOSE FOLKS TO LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
IT DOESN'T FORECLOSE THE RFI, IT COULD END UP BEING PART OF AN RFI, UH, LATER ON.
UH, WE HAVE NOT DRAFTED OR THOUGHT OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE RFI MIGHT INCLUDE.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME PRIMARILY FROM COUNSEL.
UH, SO THAT'S A BIGGER, LONGER PROCESS THAN JUST THE LETTER OF INTENT.
UH, DEREK, THEN CHARLOTTE, UH, PETE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, PETE, WERE YOU DONE? ARE YOU DONE? YEP.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA SAY, WHAT IT'S GONNA DO.
I MEAN, WE DON'T, BECAUSE KURT HASN'T SAT DOWN AND TALKED WITH THEM YET.
AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PRE-APPROVING SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T SEEN.
SO I THINK THAT WE, MY SUGGESTION AND APPROACH I WANT TO TAKE IS TO LET KURT TALK TO THEM, COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT HE'S SATISFIED WITH, THAT THEY'RE SATISFIED WITH.
NO ONE WILL BE A HUNDRED PERCENT SATISFIED, BUT THAT'S COMPROMISE.
AND THEN THEY CAN BRING IT BACK TO US, AND THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, AM I COMFORTABLE VOTING TO SIGN THIS THING AND TURN THEM LOOSE WITH IT? I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HAND RING OVER SOMETHING THAT HAS, HASN'T EVEN BEEN WRITTEN DOWN YET AND HASN'T BEEN.
I MEAN, AND EVEN WHEN IT'S SIGNED, IT'S STILL, IT'S A LETTER OF INTENT.
IT'S NOT A BINDING AGREEMENT, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO TIE OUR HANDS FROM CONTINUING OTHER AVENUES OF PLANNING, ET CETERA.
BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT, WE'VE HEARD ENOUGH, WE'VE DONE THE SURVEY, UM, WE'VE HEARD FROM, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE AUDIENCE HAVE TOLD US THEY WANT THIS.
SO I THINK WE DO THE LETTER OF INTENT.
AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEN, THEN VOTE NO.
I MAY LOOK AT IT AND SAY, THIS MAKES NO SENSE.
BUT AT LEAST WHEN WE HAVE PEN TO PAPER, THEN WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT WE'RE APPROVING.
CHARLOTTE, MY CONCERN IS, I, I AGREE WITH YOU, IT NEEDS TO BE A VERY OPEN PROCESS, PUBLIC PROCESS, GATHER AS MANY GOOD IDEAS AS POSSIBLE FOR RESPONDENTS, AND WHAT MESSAGE DOES IT SEND IF ONE OF THOSE RESPONDENTS HAS A LETTER OF INTENT FROM US, I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO OTHER POTENTIAL INTERESTED PARTIES? SO, SO THAT'S THE NON-EXCLUSIVE PART.
I MEAN, WE, I THINK COUNCIL WOULD APPROVE IF ANOTHER GROUP CAME FORWARD THAT WAS ORGANIZED AND HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR IDEAS THAT WE COULD GIVE A LETTER OF INTENT FOR THAT GROUP AS WELL.
SO WE'RE JUST IN THE EXPLORATION PHASES AND IT'S NOT BINDING.
SO THE OTHER THING THE LETTER OF INTENT COULD ACCOMPLISH
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IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE WITH THIS SURVEY, A LOT OF PEOPLE WE HADN'T HEARD FROM, WE'D HEARD FROM, YOU KNOW, THE HANDFUL THAT REALLY WANTED IT.WE'VE HEARD FROM THE HANDFUL WHO REALLY DIDN'T WANT IT.
WE DID THE SURVEY NOT TO PUSH AN AGENDA DESPITE WHAT SOME PEOPLE THINK, BUT TO FIND OUT WHAT PEOPLE WANTED AND IT GOT PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IT.
SO I THINK THAT IF WE DO A, AT LEAST START DISCUSSING A LETTER OF INTENT WITH SCP 2.0, THEN IF THERE'S SOMEONE OUT THERE ON THE PERIPHERY WHO'S, YOU KNOW, INTERESTED, MAYBE INTERESTED BUT GOING, EH, I'M NOT GONNA MESS WITH THIS BECAUSE THE CITY'S NOT SERIOUS ABOUT IT.
YOU KNOW, THIS MIGHT, THIS MIGHT FLUSH THEM OUT.
BUT THE REALITY IS, WE'VE HAD ONE GROUP CONTACT US ABOUT THIS AND YOU KNOW, THEY'VE SPENT THE TIME, THEY'VE TALKED TO US, WE'VE TALKED TO THEM, THEY'VE ENGAGED WITH US.
I THINK WE OWE THEM THE RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT NEXT STEP.
AND IF SOMEONE ELSE STEPS FORWARD WITH A BETTER PLAN, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE JUST SIT AROUND WAITING FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO SHOW UP.
SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BACK IN DECEMBER,
SO LET'S MAKE A DECISION, WHICH IS A NON-BINDING, NON-EXCLUSIVE, NON NON, NON NON TO GIVE 2.0.
THE ABILITY TO EXPLORE AND, AND BRING US BACK SOME CONVERSATIONS AND SOME BUSINESS PLAN THAT I KNOW I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR, FOR LIKE THREE YEARS.
YOU AND I HAVE HAD THAT CONVERSATION ONGOING.
SO IF THIS IS WHAT GETS THAT BUSINESS PLAN BEFORE US, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T DO IT.
I MEAN, THE DIRECTION WE'RE GIVING NOW IS TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF A DOCUMENT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT COMMITTING TO ANYTHING BINDING AT THIS POINT.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT AN RFI IS.
WELL, BUT WE CAN AN RFI WAS ON THE STREET.
THIS GROUP, AS CAPABLE AS THEY ARE, COULD GO OUT AND DECIDE TO START WORKING WITH PARTNERS AND HELP SOMEONE GET A GOOD RESPONSE BACK TO AN RFI.
I THINK WE SHOULD DO THE RFI TOO.
I THINK WE SHOULD DO THE RFI TOO.
BUT I THINK THE FIRST STEP IS WE'VE GOT A GROUP HERE WHO'S, YOU KNOW, ALREADY DONE A LOT OF HOMEWORK ON THIS, SO LET THEM GO DO MORE HOMEWORK AND PURSUE THE RFI.
UH, THIS DOESN'T PRECLUDE US FROM DOING AN RFI.
UM, AND BACK TO MY STATEMENT EARLIER, I THINK WE'D NEED MORE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON WHAT SOME PARAMETERS FOR RFI IF YOU JUST THROW OUT THERE TO THE DEVELOPERS, HEY, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO BUILD ON THIS 41 ACRES? IT'S ALMOST GUARANTEED WE'LL GET BACK A PLAN THAT NO ONE LIKES, KIND OF LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE EARLY PLANNINGS AT THIS STAGE AND JUST HOW, AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED THAT A LITTLE BIT EVEN ON 24 11, UM, FOR SOME HOUSING THERE, WE GET BACK A WHOLE BUNCH OF IDEAS THAT NO ONE LIKES.
SO, UH, WE HAVE TO SET THE PARAMETERS FOR THE RFI OR COUNCIL NEEDS TO SET THE PARAMETERS FOR RFI BEFORE WE DEVELOP THAT, BUT THAT WE HAVE A GREAT PROCUREMENT TEAM, UH, GREAT PLANNING DEPARTMENT, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, EVERYONE THAT CAN CAN HELP, UH, DIRECT THAT.
YOU DO HAVE A LOT OF PROFESSIONALS THAT CAN DO THAT.
UH, BUT WE NEED SOME PARAMETER FROM COUNCIL FIRST AND THAT'S A, A LONG DISCUSSION ON ANOTHER DAY.
OKAY, SO I, I HEAR DEREK SAY YES, I HEAR MELISSA SAY, UM, NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU SAID.
ALL I, ALL I DID WAS ASK A QUESTION
WELL, ALL I'M TRYING TO, ALL I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE OF IS IT'S NON-BINDING.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DO ITEMS OF INTENT OFTEN IN THEIR BINDING, I'M GOING TO BUY YOUR HOUSE, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THIS IS NON-BINDING BECAUSE IF IT TURNS OUT IT'S NOT FEASIBLE OR IT TURNS OUT WHEN THE COUNCIL SEES IT, WE GO, WHOA, THAT REALLY ISN'T WHAT WE HAD PLANNED.
OR WE FIND WE HAVE OTHER THINGS WE WANNA DO UP THERE AND IT DOESN'T FIT.
AND I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO SOUND LIKE WE'RE COMMITTING, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE CITY ISN'T PAYING ANYTHING INTO THIS.
SO THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING FOR WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS IN ABSOLUTELY NO WAY SAYING TO THEM, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY GONNA DO AN AMPHITHEATER AND WE'RE GONNA SUPPORT IT.
AND THAT THEY HAVE NO WAY OF GOING OUT TO SAYING TO WHOMEVER, HEY, THE CITY'S GONNA BACK US AND THEY'RE GONNA BUILD IT BECAUSE THAT IS BINDING AND I DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT IS BINDING IN THIS REGARD.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING MY QUESTION.
SO YES OR NO, I WOULD DO, YES.
SO LONG AS IT'S COMPLETELY NON-BINDING AND NON-EXCLUSIVE.
I, I, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT YOU BRING BACK AND UH, I RESERVE
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LOTS OF ROOM FOR I TOLD YOU SOUM, AND WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT AN RFI, I WASN'T THINKING OF AN RFI FOR A WHOLE MASTER PLANNED MASTER PLAN.
I WAS THINKING OF AN RFI FOR, UM, AN AMPHITHEATER OR SOME SCALE DOWN VERSION OF IT, WHATEVER WOULD COME BACK.
BUT NOT THE WHOLE SCHMEAR, BUT MAYBE THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY TOO.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AN R-F-R-F-I FOR THE AMPHITHEATER.
I MEAN THAT ONE WE COULD DO QUICKER, UM, IF, AND GET THAT READY SOONER, BUT WE'D STILL WANT, UNLESS YOU WANNA LEAVE OPEN AND, YOU KNOW, SIZE AND PARKING AND THEN SOME ISSUE.
SO THAT MIGHT BE A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY TOO.
TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S WHAT I WAS IMPLYING IN ALL MY COMMENTS.
SO WE HAVE THE VOTES, WE HAVE SIX VOTES UP HERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A LETTER OF INTENT, NON-BINDING, NON-EXCLUSIVE, NON NON WITH 2.0 AND, UH, BASED ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE DELLS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY BUGGING ME.
UM, WE AGREED THAT, UH, WASTEWATER WOULD BE PUTTING IN WELLS, UM, THAT IS A THREE YEAR PROJECT FOR THEM TO PUT THE WELLS IN.
WHEN THE WELLS ARE IN, WE CAN REMOVE THE PIPING WHEN THE PIPING IS REMOVED.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA MASTER PLAN THAT FOR SOMETHING.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A 10 YEAR THING OR A FIVE YEAR THING, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY A THREE YEAR THING.
SO JUST TO BE REALLY CLEAR WITH EVERYONE, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH THE DES THEY HAVE PERMISSION TO GO AHEAD AND, UM, PUT IN INJECTION WELL SO WE CAN REMOVE THE PIPING.
WE ARE DONE WITH THIS SUBJECT.
THANK YOU FOR BEING RESPECTFUL.
AND WE ARE GONNA TAKE A BREAK.
I'M CALLING THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
[9.e. AB 3313 Discussion/possible direction/action regarding proposed State legislation, short-term rental legislation, lobbying efforts, and State budget and their potential impact on the City of Sedona.]
OF BUSINESS, A BE 33 13 DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING PROPOSED LEGIS STATE LEGISLATION, SHORT TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION, LOBBYING EFFORTS IN STATE BUDGET, AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE CITY OF SEDONA.LAUREN, I DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S A BILL MORATORIUM UNTIL THE BUDGET GETS SORTED OUT.
I KNOW THAT THERE WAS MOVEMENT TODAY AT THE CAPITOL.
UM, REPUBLICANS SHARED THEIR BUDGET PROPOSAL.
I HAVE NOT HEARD THE RESULT OF THAT, BUT THEY DID NOT EXPECT IT TO GET RESOLVED TODAY.
I'M PULLING UP YOUR MEMO UPDATE.
THERE ARE SEVERAL BILLS THAT ARE, ARE SITTING IN THERE READY TO MOVE FORWARD, UM, BUT CAN'T UNTIL THAT GETS SORTED OUT.
THEY CANCELED THE, UM, WEEKLY LEGISLATIVE UPDATE FROM THE LEAGUE FOR THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
I KNOW THAT BUDGET WAS SUBMITTED AND DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IF IT GETS PASSED THAT IT'S GONNA BE SIGNED SO THEY'LL BE BACK OR SOMETHING.
UM, THE WAY THAT KATHY DESCRIBED IT TO ME, SHE SAW IT AS A POSITIVE STEP FORWARD THAT, UM, REPUBLICANS WERE ACTING TOGETHER IN UNISON TO MOVE SOMETHING FORWARD.
UM, BUT THAT IT WAS, THIS WAS JUST THE START OF A LONG PROCESS.
SO WAS THERE ANY FEEDBACK FROM, OR COMMENTS FROM THE ARTICLE THAT WE SUBMITTED? UM, REPRESENTATIVE BLISS DID MAKE A POSITIVE STATEMENT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF THAT.
UM, THE WORK IS SHE AGREES THAT THE WORK IS NOT DONE AND THAT SHE WILL, UM, SUPPORT THE EFFORT AGAIN NEXT SESSION.
ASIDE FROM THAT, I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING YET.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR LAUREN? OKAY,
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THANKS.[9.f. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items.]
AB 30 66 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING? NO.[11. ADJOURNMENT ]
NONE.