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[1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE ]
I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 4 31 ON WEDNESDAY, MAY 13TH, 2026.WILL YOU PLEASE JOIN ME WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PLEDGE, ALL TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? MAYOR PLU.
[3.a. AB 3334 Presentation/discussion/possible direction related to final data results for Phase I of the Balanced Housing Strategy.]
BUSINESS AB 33 34, PRESENT PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION RELATED TO FINAL DATA RESULTS FOR PHASE ONE OF THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY.WELL, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS, UH, IS JUST START OFF BY, UM, JUST A QUICK REMINDER OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN BECAUSE WE, YOU'LL SEE THIS IS A 14 PAGE SLIDE, UH, SLIDESHOW.
UM, WE LEFT OUT THE MAJORITY OF INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD, UM, BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO, UH, TO PROVIDE THE FRAMEWORK, UM, AND THE CONTEXT AROUND WHICH THAT INFORMATION WAS DEVELOPED.
BUT, UM, ALONG THAT SAME LINE, JUST A VERY QUICK RECAP, AS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, UM, THE UNDERSTANDING OF, UM, THAT FIRST INITIAL DISCUSSION WAS MORE ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE CHARACTER AS A SNAPSHOT OF OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, BOTH WHAT IT IS NOW AND, UM, AND WHERE IT'S BEEN, UM, AS WELL AS TAKING A LOOK AT HOW IT COMPARED TO OUR, UM, UM, OTHER VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITIES BOTH INCORPORATED AND UNINCORPORATED, UM, TO SEE HOW WE FARED, UM, IN COMPARISON.
SO, UH, SO THAT FIRST PIECE WAS REALLY TO GRAB THAT SNAPSHOT AND THEN TO FOLLOW THAT UP WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR GAPS WERE, UM, AS A COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, AND WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND TYPES OF UNITS, UM, TO, UH, TO MAKE THAT POSSIBLE.
SO WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD DO TONIGHT, UM, NOW THAT WE ARE ALMOST COMPLETELY DONE WITH THIS DOCUMENT, IS, UH, IS PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT FOR SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS AND, UM, AND GIVE AN IDEA OF WHAT 775 LOOKS LIKE IN COMPARISON, UM, TO DEMAND AND, UH, AND HOW WE CAME UP WITH THAT NUMBER.
AND THEN TO FOLLOW THAT UP WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION AND END IT WITH, UH, A BETTER DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE THINK ARE THE METHODS OR THE APPROACHES WE SHOULD TAKE, UM, IN ORDER TO GET TO THAT FULL 7 75 UNITS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
UM, WE WANTED TO START WITH JUST AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE GOT TO, UM, TO WHAT A BALANCED HOUSING IS, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST WITH THE 2020 HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, WITH THE 2025 NEEDS UPDATE, UM, WAS A LOOK AT WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE, WHAT YOUR PRESSURE POINTS WERE.
AND SO THAT'S ONE SIDE OF THE SCALE, YOUR COST BURDEN, HOUSEHOLDS, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE COMMUTERS, YOUR EXISTING AND EXPANDING EMPLOYMENT GROWTH.
UM, BEING ABLE TO REPLACE UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, TRANSFORMED IN SHORT TERM RENTALS.
THAT'S THE PRESSURE SIDE, RIGHT? BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE TO BALANCE THAT AGAINST THE OTHER CHARACTERISTICS.
HOW MUCH OF YOUR COMMUNITY, HOW MUCH CAPACITY DO YOU REALLY HAVE FOR GROWTH, UM, WITHOUT DAMAGING THE COMMUNITY, WITHOUT CHANGING THE CHARACTER AND CONTEXT OF YOUR COMMUNITY WITHOUT INCREASING GOING ABOVE YOUR CAPACITIES OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS LOOKING AT, AGAIN, THOSE GAPS AND SEEING WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF AS, AS SEDONA AS A COMPLETE COMMUNITY, AND THEN TRYING TO FILL THOSE GAPS IN THE PROCESS.
SO THAT'S THE BALANCING ACT OF BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THE, THE NEED TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY TO MEET THAT NEED, MEET
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THOSE PRESSURE POINTS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME DO IN A, DO IT IN A WAY THAT STILL TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THE CONTEXT AND WHAT MAKES SEDONA SPECIAL.SO TONY, I WANNA JUST DO A CHECK.
CAN EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE? YEAH.
UM, SO WE WANTED TO START JUST BY RECOGNIZING THE HOUSING NEED.
AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE 2020 NEEDS ASSESSMENT, THE 2025 UPDATE, UM, TO PROVIDE AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU HAD SEEN BEFORE.
AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE 2020 NEEDS ASSESSMENT, THE NUMBERS THAT CAME BACK THAT SHOWED THAT YOU NEEDED ROUGHLY 1500 HOUSEHOLDS TO MEET YOUR DEMAND, UM, BY 2025, THAT NUMBER HAD GROWN TO ALMOST 2100 HOUSING UNITS.
WHERE THAT CAME FROM WAS TWOFOLD.
IT LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF, OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT HAD BECOME COST BURDEN, UM, WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY, AND THEN IT ALSO FORECASTED A POTENTIAL EMPLOYMENT GROWTH OVER 10 YEARS.
AND THEN THEY DIVIDED THAT IN HALF.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE 1500 CAME FROM.
THAT'S ALSO WHERE THE 2100 COMES FROM.
WHAT IT DID NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IS THE NUMBER OF COMMUTERS THAT MIGHT WANT TO LIVE IN SEDONA IF THE OPPORTUNITY WERE AVAILABLE.
IT ALSO DIDN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE PRESSURE THAT COMES FROM SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SO I SAY THAT TO SAY THAT NUMBER COULD POTENTIALLY, THAT DEMAND, THAT PRESSURE COULD POTENTIALLY BE HIGHER.
UM, THERE'S ALSO THE POSSIBILITY THAT IT COULD BE LOWER BECAUSE YOUR BIGGEST NUMBER IS YOUR COST BURDEN HOUSEHOLDS, SOME OF WHICH MAKE THE CHOICE TO MOVE.
SO WE TAKE ALL OF THAT IN INTO, UH, CONSIDERATION.
BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT 775 UNITS COMPARED TO 1500 UNITS COMPARED TO 2100 UNITS, WE'RE NOT SAYING THE DEMAND FOR WAR IS NOT THERE.
AGAIN, IT'S THAT BALANCING ACT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AND SAYING, WHAT CAN YOU DO WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THIS COMMUNITY AND STILL BE SEDONA? OOPS, I HAVE GONE THE WRONG WAY.
SO JUST TO PUT ALL OF THIS INTO CONTEXT THEN, AND TO PUT A FRAME OF REFERENCE AROUND IT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE IDEA OF A BALANCED HOUSING COMMUNITY, AND WE TALK ABOUT WHERE WE ARE NOW, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE AT WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER AN UNDERSUPPLIED COMMUNITY, RIGHT? AND SO WITH THE UNDERSUPPLIED COMMUNITY, YOU ARE ABLE TO SEE SOME OF THE TRAITS OF THAT.
AS A TOURISM COMMUNITY, YOUR WORKFORCE ALMOST ENTIRELY COMMUTES REMAINING.
WORKFORCE IS GENERALLY COST BURDENED.
UM, FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN, LARGELY ABSENT SCHOOLS, HEALTHCARE, DAILY SERVICES START TO STRUGGLE.
UM, AND YOUR ECONOMY BECOMES ALMOST TOURISM EXCLUSIVE.
UM, AND YOU'RE NOT ALL THE WAY TO THE TIPPING POINT, RIGHT? THAT'S, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, IS THIS AN EMERGENCY? AND IT'S, IT'S A RECOGNITION.
IT'S AN AWARENESS THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET BACK TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE, UM, BUT THAT WE ARE ON A COURSE THAT YOU MAY NOT WANT TO GO DOWN OR WE MAY NOT WANT TO GO DOWN.
SO ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU GO THE OTHER DIRECTION AND YOU TRY TO PROVIDE 2100 UNITS, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL 30% OF HOUSING UNITS YOU WOULD BE ADDING OR THAT WE WOULD BE ADDING TO THE HOUSING STOCK.
YOU KNOW, THAT BRINGS US INTO THE OVER IMPACTED COMMUNITY.
NOW, SUDDENLY, INSTEAD OF TWO STORY, THREE STORY UNITS, YOU'RE LOOKING OR THREE STORY STRUCTURES, YOU'RE GOING MUCH HIGHER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK, YOUR CHARACTER CHANGES, YOUR CAPACITY CHANGES.
THAT'S WHERE THE SWEET SPOT FOR BALANCED HOUSING COMES IN.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT BOTH SIDES, UM, AND TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE WHERE IT IS WE REALLY WANT TO BE.
UM, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THE NEED IS THERE TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE, SOMETIMES YOU JUST CAN'T.
WE MADE A COUPLE OF CRITICAL ASSUMPTIONS THAT HELP GUIDE THE STRATEGY.
UM, WE WANTED TO START OFF JUST BY SIMPLY RECOGNIZING SEDONA IS A SMALL TOURISM BASED COMMUNITY.
IT'S HIGHLY DESIRED AS A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.
IT'S HIGHLY, HIGHLY DESIRED FOR SEASONAL LIVING.
UM, SONSONA DOESN'T HAVE THE SPACE TO HOUSE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD PREFER TO LIVE HERE IF WE COULD WITHOUT DEGRADING OUR COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
SO WE WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE THAT THOSE PIECES, AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT SEDONA IS PART OF A LARGER VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITY.
THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES IN OUR AREA, EACH ONE OF THEM HAS UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS.
AND AS A RESULT, JUST BECAUSE YOU WORK HERE DOESN'T MEAN YOU WANT TO LIVE HERE.
SO THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT PREFER TO LIVE IN CLARKDALE COTTONWOOD AND CAMP VERDE.
UM, SO WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, WE ARE A MAJOR TOURISM DESTINATION.
WE RELY ON A SUBSTANTIAL WORKFORCE IN HOSPITALITY AND SERVICE.
UH, AND THAT THE OPPORTUNITIES OUTSIDE OF THAT CURRENTLY ARE RELATIVELY LIMITED.
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WE SAY THAT BECAUSE AS WE TALK ABOUT BRINGING IN FAMILIES, WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT WE ALSO NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT ELEMENT ACTIVITIES.THAT'S A STORY FOR ANOTHER DAY, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE.
AND THEN FINALLY, WE WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THESE STRATEGIES ARE AIMED AT, THAT ARE AIMED AT COST BURDEN.
ONE, TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE STAY IN PLACE, WHETHER IT'S INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE WORKING AGE HOUSEHOLDS OR ARE SENIORS.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, IF YOU CAN AGE IN PLACE, OR IF YOU CAN STILL STAY WHERE YOU WANT TO BE, WE WANNA HELP MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
IF WE CAN'T, IF THE COST BURDEN IS TOO HIGH, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES SO THAT SEDONA RESIDENTS GET THE PRIVILEGE OF A REMAINING SEDONA RESIDENTS.
SO JUST A REMINDER OF THE METHODOLOGY OF OUR PROCESS, UM, WE ARE IN THE UNDERSTANDING AND ANALYSIS PHASE.
ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, WE ARE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
SO, UM, AS YOU'RE AWARE, ON MONDAY WE'LL BE STARTING WITH PHASE TWO, WHERE WE, WHERE WE START WORKING ON THE HOUSING THINK TANK, WHERE WE START TALKING ABOUT STRATEGIES.
SO WE ARE AT THE TAIL END OF THIS PART OF THE PROCESS WHERE WE'LL BE HANDING EVERYTHING OFF TO LOGAN SIMPSON, AND WE'LL BE THE CHEERLEADERS THIS TIME.
AND, UH, THEY'LL BE DOING A LOT OF THE HEAVY LIFTING.
FOR THE AUDIENCE BENEFIT, CAN YOU TELL THEM ABOUT THE MEETINGS NEXT WEEK? YEAH.
IN CASE ANYONE WANTS TO ATTEND.
UM, SO WE ARE PUTTING TOGETHER A HOUSING THINK TANK.
UM, I SEE A NUMBER OF FACES HERE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP, ACTUALLY, SO THANK YOU.
UM, SO THE HOUSING THINK TANK IS, UM, GOING TO BE A ONE AND A HALF DAY EVENT, UM, ALL DAY MONDAY.
AND, UH, AND THE FIRST PART OF THE DAY ON TUESDAY.
AND THE IDEA BEHIND THE THINK TANK IS THAT WE TALK ABOUT, SUMMARIZE WHAT WE HAVE HEARD TODAY AS THE FIRST PART OF THIS.
UM, LOGAN SIMPSON'S GONNA COME IN AND START TALKING ABOUT BEST PRACTICES.
UM, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM A KEYNOTE SPEAKER WHO'S A NATIONALLY KNOWN SPEAKER SPECIALIZING IN WHAT'S CALLED MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING.
UM, WHICH IS SOME OF THE AREA, THE HOUSING TYPES THAT WE SUGGEST ARE PROBABLY THE AREAS WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON.
UM, SO STEFAN PELLEGRINI FROM OPTIC COAST DESIGN IS GOING TO BE THAT KEYNOTE SPEAKER, FANTASTIC SPEAKER.
UM, BUT THEN FROM THERE WE START ROUND TABLE DISCUSSIONS OF MOVING INTO STRATEGIES.
HOW DO WE GET FROM WHERE WE ARE TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE? UM, AND THEN THAT'S GOING TO, WE LOVE THIS PART OF A THINK TANK BECAUSE THE IDEA, AGAIN, IT'S BALANCE.
UM, SO WE HAVE ALL SORTS OF, OF, UH, INDIVIDUALS WITH ALL SORTS OF IDEAS AND OPINIONS ON HOUSING.
THAT'LL BE A PART OF THIS DISCUSSION.
SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT, THAT DIALOGUE OF EVERYBODY WORKING TOGETHER IN A WAY TO SOLVE SOME OF THESE ISSUES.
SO TONY, HOW, HOW GROUNDED IN REALITY WILL THOSE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BE ON, UH, MONDAY AND TUESDAY? BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO PERSONALLY AVOID ANYBODY SAYING, HEY, HOW ABOUT SEVEN STORIES OF HEIGHT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT GET A VISCERAL REACTION OF HECK NO, RIGHT? UM, FROM THE COMMUNITY? NO, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY WELL STATED BECAUSE WE WANT TO SET SOME GROUND RULES AT THE BEGINNING.
UM, THAT THE WHOLE CONCEPT HERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO.
UM, WE HAVE BEGUN THIS PROCESS WITH AN IMPLEMENTATION FOCUS.
WE WANT TO BE, EVEN THE NUMBER 7 75 IS ACHIEVABLE.
SO IT'S A QUESTION OF HOW DO WE ACTUALLY MAKE IT HAPPEN? THIS IS A ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES AND GET TO WORK, UM, KIND OF SESSION.
AND SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT, AGAIN, THERE'S DEMAND.
SOMETIMES THAT DEMAND LOOKS LIKE SEVEN STORIES, BUT WE HAVE TO BE CONTEXT SENSITIVE AND WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY TURN AROUND AND IMPLEMENT.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF.
SO IT HAS TO BE ACTION FOCUSED.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ACTIONABLE OR IS NOT FEASIBLE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE.
WE DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ONE NEW PIECE OF DATA THAT WE WANTED TO SHOW THAT'S GONNA SHOW UP IN THE REPORT.
AND THIS COMES FROM THE CONCEPT OF 80% OF OUR, UM, OF OUR WORKFORCE COMMUTING IN.
AND WE'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF TIMES, LET'S JUST LET PEOPLE COMMUTE INTO THE, THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT'S THE WAY TO SOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES OR ONE OF THE WAYS TO SOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES.
AND, AND WE WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE THE HOUSING IS CHEAPER IN ANOTHER AREA DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S MORE ATTAINABLE OR MORE AFFORDABLE.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COST OF COMMUTING, WE HAVE TO TAKE A COUPLE OF THINGS INTO
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CONSIDERATION.YOU KNOW, ONE, OBVIOUSLY THE COST OF TRAVEL, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRAVEL DEMAND, THE IMPACT ON YOUR CAR, ET CETERA.
FORTUNATELY, THE IRS GIVES US A TRAVEL RATE THAT WE CAN APPLY.
SO IT'S A SIMPLE NUMBER, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF MINUTES YOU SPEND OR THE DISTANCE YOU SPEND, THE TRAVEL RATE COST.
AND THAT GIVES US AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
BUT FOR AN AREA THAT IS INCREDIBLY CONSTRAINED AS FAR AS HOUSING GOES, THEN WE HAVE TO ALSO APPLY AN OPPORTUNITY COST.
AND THE CONCEPT BEHIND THE OPPORTUNITY COST IS THAT IF I WAS NOT TRAVELING, THEN I COULD BE WORKING, I COULD BE DOING A SIDE JOB, I COULD BE GETTING THE TRAINING THAT COULD HELP ME PROPEL INTO THAT NEW POSITION.
UM, SO THAT'S AN EXPENSE YOU DON'T GET TO TAKE BACK.
UM, OTHER OPPORTUNITY COSTS HAVE BEEN USED IN OTHER PLACES LIKE QUALITY OF LIFE, UH, THE IMPACT ON YOUR HEALTH, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
WE TOOK ALL OF THAT OUT BECAUSE THIS IS TRULY A FINANCIAL MECHANISM.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ABILITY TO MAKE MORE MONEY, TO HAVE BETTER HOUSING OR TO HAVE HOUSING AT ALL.
AND SO WE HAVE TO THINK OF BOTH OF THOSE PIECES IN ADDITION TO, UM, WHAT THE COST OF HOUSING IS.
AND SO WE ADDED ALL OF THAT TOGETHER JUST TO SHOW AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT REALLY WOULD LOOK LIKE IN COMPARISON TO LIVING IN SEDONA.
AND SO IF YOU LOOK, AND I'LL APOLOGIZE, IT'S A LOT OF NUMBERS, BUT WHAT WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO DO IS LOOK AT A HOUSEHOLD EARNING $75,000 A YEAR AND WHAT THE TRUE DIFFERENCE IS.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCES AND, AND WE COMPARE BOTH THE COST OF THE HOUSING IN EACH OF THESE AREAS, AND THEN WE LOOK AT THE TRAVEL COST AND THE OPPORTUNITY COST, ADD THAT IN.
AND WHAT WE'VE PROVIDED IS BOTH WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF AS A DIFFERENCE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE MEDIAN HOME, THE MEDIAN HOME, UM, WITH THE HOUSING COSTS OR HOUSING COST FOR A MEDIAN HOME IN SEDONA $5,119 A MONTH COMPARED TO, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, CAMP 30, YOU WOULD SAY, OKAY, WELL THAT SAVES ME $2,700.
SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY FAR CHEAPER, BUT WHEN YOU ADD IN THE OTHER COSTS, OPPORTUNITY COSTS, TRAVEL COST, SUDDENLY IT'S $175 MORE.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST AN IDEA OF UNDERSTANDING THAT JUST BECAUSE WE SAY PEOPLE CAN COMMUTE DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S ALWAYS THE BEST CHOICE, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU ARE DOING YOUR BEST SIMPLY TO STAY HOUSED.
SO
TONY, CAN I INTERRUPT YOU REAL QUICK? YES.
THERE GO THAT HOURLY RATE, UHHUH,
IT CAN GO ALL THE WAY DOWN FROM 50% OF YOUR HOURLY WAGE ALL THE WAY UP TO 150% OF YOUR HOURLY WAGE.
WE WENT TO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE HOURLY WAGE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SHELTER.
IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OTHER MORE FUZZY QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES, WE WOULD'VE REDUCED THAT RATE DOWN TO 75% OF YOUR HOURLY RATE.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THAT'S WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OPPORTUNITY COST, IT'S CONSIDERED EQUAL TO THE HOURLY RATE YOU WOULD HAVE AT YOUR REGULAR JOB.
OKAY, BUT WHAT IS THAT? WHERE DOES THAT NUMBER COME FROM? THAT NUMBER COMES FROM LOOKING AT $75,000 AND THEN CUTTING IT DOWN TO WHAT THAT HOURLY RATE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO IT'S NOT, AS I READ THIS, IT'S NOT LIKE SEDONA BUSINESSES ARE PAYING EMPLOYEES NO.
SUBSTANTIALLY MORE SO THAT THEY CAN NO DRIVE THE EXTRA 30 MINUTES TO NO, NO, NOT AT ALL.
IT'S JUST TO LOOK AT THAT HELPS US MEASURE THE OPPORTUNITY COST TO LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.
SO AGAIN, JUST A REMINDER ON THE DIFFERENT TARGETS.
AFTER LOOKING AT ALL THE DETAIL THAT WE PROVIDED YOU IN, IN THE INITIAL DOCUMENT, UM, WHAT WE CAME DOWN TO AS OUR GAPS BEING THE WORKING AGE, UM, HOUSEHOLDS WITH CHILDREN, THE WORKING AGE HOUSEHOLDS EARNING 50,000 TO $200,000 A YEAR, WORKING AGE HOSPITALITY AND SERVICE WORKERS AND COST BURDEN, SEDONA SENIORS.
SO THOSE WERE OUR FOUR, UM, GAPS THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO TRY TO ABSORB.
SO FROM THAT, WE CAME UP WITH THE INITIAL TARGETS.
THE INITIAL TARGETS LOOKED AT A TOTAL OF 775 UNITS, UM, 600 UNITS DESIGNATED TOWARDS WORKING AGE HOUSEHOLDS, 175 UNITS, UM, DEDICATED TO INCOME RESTRICTED SEDONA SENIORS OR COST BURDEN, UH, SEDONA SENIORS.
YOU CAN SEE THAT WE CREATED THAT OTHER INITIAL 10 YEAR TARGETS, UM, THAT ARE BULLET DOTS.
AGAIN, UM, BACK TO, UM, THE, THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR ACHIEVABLE OBJECTIVES HERE, BOTH IN THE TERMS OF OUR TARGETS, BUT ALSO IN OUR SOLUTIONS.
AND SO THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT PIECE TO THIS.
WHAT THIS LOOKED, LOOKED LIKE THEN
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IS A 50 50 SPLIT WITH 50% OF OUR HOUSING UNITS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD, UM, DEDICATED TO WORKING AGE HOUSEHOLDS WITH CHILDREN.THE REMAINDER WOULD BE OTHER HOUSEHOLDS.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE AGAIN, AS WE HAD DISCUSSED BEFORE, THAT WHAT THAT MEANS COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAD LOOKED AT IN THE PAST IS A DRIFT TOWARDS HIGHER NUMBERS OF BEDROOMS WITHIN THE NUMBER, WITHIN THE TYPES OF UNITS.
SO A MUCH HIGHER NUMBER OF THREE BEDROOM UNITS, MUCH HIGHER NUMBER OF FOUR BEDROOM UNITS, UM, AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT STUDIO APARTMENTS, ET CETERA.
SO ON THIS SLIDE, THE 221 UNITS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE, DOES THAT SUBTRACT OFF OF THE 7 75, LEAVING THE ACTUAL TARGET AT WHAT, 5 54? IT DOES.
SO THAT 221 UNITS MEANS THAT WE CAN AUTOMATICALLY, 'CAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY DOING IT, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE IN IMPLEMENTATION PHASE.
SO WE CAN TAKE THAT 221 UNITS AWAY, THAT'S ALREADY REDUCING THE AMOUNT THAT YOU NEED.
SO MAYOR, UM, TONY, YOU HAVE A PRETTY OPERATIONAL WORD IN THERE, WHICH IS MAY MM-HMM
SO IT MAY NOT ACTUALLY BE 221 UNITS.
IT MAY BE SOME NUMBER THAT'S LESS THAN 221.
IT'LL BE SLIGHTLY LESS THAN 221 IN TRUTH, BECAUSE THE FOCUS PREVIOUSLY HAD BEEN ON ONE BEDROOM UNITS AND STUDIO UNITS.
AND YOU CAN SEE BY THE TARGETS, WE DON'T NEED AS MANY.
UM, SO SOME OF THE STUDIO UNITS, FOR EXAMPLE, DIDN'T COUNT AT ALL.
AND SO YOU END UP BEING, IT'S, IT ENDS UP BEING ABOUT 20.
THE DIFFERENCE BEING ABOUT 20 UNITS, UM, IN TOTAL, UM, BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF SMALLER UNITS, WHAT IT DOES SAY IS YOU'VE ALREADY HIT YOUR ONE BEDROOM COUNT, UM, BY USING THE, YOUR 221, UM, AS WELL AS TWO BEDROOM AND, AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS TOO.
SO NOW THE FOCUS REALLY STARTS TO MOVE TOWARDS THE HIGHER NUMBER OF BEDROOM UNITS, UM, WITH THE TYPES OF HOUSING WE WOULD SUGGEST FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, THE DIFFERENCE OR THE, THE EXCEPTION TO THAT WOULD BE THE SENIOR UNITS, UM, BECAUSE THOSE ONE BEDROOM AND TWO BEDROOM WOULD BE ABOUT THE MAXIMUM YOU WOULD LOOK AT FOR, UM, FOR SENIOR FOCUSED, UH, HOUSE HOUSING UNITS.
ONE THING I DO WANNA POINT OUT IN THIS SLIDE, UM, AND THIS CAUSED A BIT OF CONSTERNATION, UM, PREVIOUSLY IT WAS A MISWORDED SECTION AND I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE TOOK IT DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT I THOUGHT IT SAID.
UM, IN THE SCENARIO RESULTS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE THIRD ITEM DOWN TALKS ABOUT 175 PLUS COST BURDEN, SENIOR SEDONA, SENIOR HOUSEHOLDS THAT CAN NOW AGE IN PLACE IN SEDONA.
WHAT THAT REPLACED WAS A STATEMENT THAT SAID 88, UM, SENIOR UNITS THAT CAN NOW BE PUT BACK INTO THE MARKET.
AND IT GAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING TO DO WAS TO TRY TO HELP MOVE THOSE PEOPLE ALONG OUT OF THEIR UNITS SO WE COULD HAVE THEM TO THE MARKET.
AND THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE CASE, BUT I CAN SEE WHERE PEOPLE WOULD COME UP WITH THAT.
AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR WHAT OUR REAL INTENT IS, UM, BY, BY THIS LANGUAGE.
SO WE'VE MADE THAT ADJUSTMENT HERE AND IN THE DOCUMENT ITSELF.
SO AGAIN, JUST A REMINDER OF OUR CURRENT PROJECTS.
UM, I THINK YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT VILLAS ON SHELBY, UM, WHICH WE CAN NOW MARK IN THE COMPLETE COLUMN.
UM, WE HAVE STARTED, I THINK, OR AM I CORRECT, WE HAD OUR FIRST, UH, UH, FOLKS ALREADY MOVING IN, UM, TO, UH, TO VILLAS ON SHELBY.
UM, SO WE SHOW THESE TO, TO POINT OUT THE TWO WHERE THE 221 UNITS COME FROM, AND THOSE ARE YOUR EXISTING PROJECTS.
AND KEEP IN MIND TOO, THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE PROJECTS, MOST PEOPLE WOULD NOT LOOK AT NAVAJO LOFTS OR JORDAN TOWN HOMES AS SAYING THAT THEY WOULD MEET NECESSARILY OUR NEED FOR ATTAINABLE HOUSING.
BUT AGAIN, REMEMBER, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO ATTRACT DOCTORS.
WE'RE LOOKING TO ATTRACT NURSES.
WE'RE LOOKING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE THAT MAKE UP TO 200% OF THE A MI BECAUSE OUR GAP ACTUALLY GOES UP TO 200% OF A MI.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT YOU SEE THEM PUT IN THERE AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY HIT THAT SWEET SPOT.
YOU CAN SEE WE DIVIDED THAT BY THE TYPES OF UNITS, RENT VERSUS OWN.
UM, THE REASON THAT MATTERS IS WE'RE WE'RE TARGETING A 50 50 SPLIT IN OUR HOUSEHOLDS TO BE OWNERSHIP VERSUS RENTER.
UM, SO THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND THE TYPES OF, OF HOUSES WE WANT TO OR THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT WE WANT TO ATTRACT.
UM, IT ALSO GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF, UM, UNITS BY INCOME LIMIT.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE 14% THAT IS TARGETING THE 60% A MI OR LESS, UM, IS ESSENTIALLY THE LITECH PROJECTS.
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SO, UM, AND AS WE HAVE SINCE LEARNED, UM, IF YOU ARE, AND, AND THIS CAME FROM THE ADMINISTRATORS OF THE VILLAS ON SHELBY PROJECT, IF YOU EARN $19 AN HOUR AT MCDONALD'S AND YOU ARE A SINGLE PERSON, YOU DO NOT QUALIFY TO LIVE AT VILLAS ON SHELBY, YOU MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY.SO THAT PUTS THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR TARGET IS.
SO WHEN WE SAY OUR WORKING CLASS, YOU KNOW, OUR WORKING AGE HOUSEHOLDS, YOU KNOW, THAT IS THAT SPOT THAT THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE TARGETED.
AGAIN, JUST THE MAP THAT SHOWS HOW THE PROJECTS ARE SPREAD OUT AND WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, UM, FOR THE SIX DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE, EITHER IN PROCESS OR IN THE CASE OF VILLAS ON SHELBY COMPLETE.
ARE YOU COUNTING JORDAN TOWN HOMES AS PURCHASE OR RENTAL RENTAL MARKET RATE AND THAT YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING, RIGHT? YEAH.
THEIR INTENTION IS TO RENT THOSE.
AND WHAT ABOUT, UM, THE STATUS OF GOOD ROW AND, AND THE VILLAGE AT SADDLE ROCK CROSSING? SURE, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHEN I WALKED IN HERE, UM, CARRIE WAS DOING REVIEW ON GOOD GOODROW.
UM, SO THOSE PLANS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO US.
UM, VILLAGE AT SADDLE ROCK, UM, HAS ALSO, UM, THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS, UM, OR THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS AS WELL.
UM, SO THEY ARE GOING THROUGH REVIEW OF THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AS AS WE SPEAK.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, UM, IS IN PROGRESS IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER.
SO SOME OF THEM VERY RECENT
THERE'S A LOOMING DATE BY WHICH IF, IF PERMITS ARE NOT GRANTED, THEN THAT PROJECT GETS SUSPENDED.
RIGHT? SO DO WE THINK THAT THAT DEADLINE WILL BE MET BASED ON YOU SAYING THEY'RE IN PROCESS, BUT WHERE IN THE PROCESS ARE THEY? WILL THAT, WILL THAT DEADLINE, DO YOU FORESEE IT BEING MET? I THINK IF ALL PARTIES ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, I THINK IT WILL HAPPEN.
UM, IS THERE ALWAYS THE POTENTIAL FOR AN ADDITIONAL SNAG? ABSOLUTELY.
BECAUSE THIS PROJECT IS MOVED SLOWLY.
SO, UM, IN THAT CASE, WE WOULD WANNA WORK WITH THEM AND SEE WHAT, UH, WHAT WE CAN BRING BACK TO YOU AS A SOLUTION.
UM, BUT I, I DON'T WANT TO SAY WITH CERTAINTY THAT IT WILL BE MET, UM, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY ON BOTH SIDES IS EAGER TO SEE IT MOVING FORWARD.
SO SHOULD WE REVISIT AS THINGS MOVE FORWARD ON THE VILLAGE SADDLE ROCK, THE DE THE UNITS THAT ARE STUDIOS MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, THE, THE TYPES OF UNITS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING BECAUSE THEY HAD ONE PROPOSAL AND THEN THEY REWORKED IT BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM US.
AND NOW I THINK THIS HOUSING STRATEGY MAY BE PUSHING US IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
IS THAT WORTH A I DON'T THINK THEY CARE.
PARTICULARLY I THINK THE ONLY REASON THEY WOULD CARE IS THE AMOUNT OF, OF, UM, FINANCIAL COMMITMENT THEY'VE ALREADY PUT INTO THE DESIGN.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF FOR SOME REASON THIS DOESN'T MEET ITS TARGET DATE, THEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, OKAY, SINCE YOU'VE GOTTA COME BACK ANYWAY, LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION AND SEE IF IT WARRANTS, UM, MAKING SOME CHANGES.
BUT I THINK GIVEN THE LEVEL OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, ET CETERA, THAT THEY'VE CURRENTLY APPLIED, I'D BE HESITANT TO ASK THEM TO GO AHEAD AND COME BACK AND CHANGE NOW.
BUT THEIR DESIGN WOULD STILL MEET A PORTION OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
IT WOULD JUST PUT A GREATER BURDEN ON SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS TO DIVERSIFY DIFFERENTLY.
IT JUST MEANS WE WORK HARDER ON SOME OF THE UPCOMING PROJECTS WE WANNA ACHIEVE.
I MEAN, I JUST, I JUST WANNA BE ABLE TO GET SOME CLARITY ON THE FACT THAT EVEN THOUGH STUDIO APARTMENTS ARE NOT IN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WITH, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES, BECAUSE FAMILIES DON'T WANT STUDIO APARTMENTS, IT STILL PROVIDES HOUSING FOR A CLASS OF PEOPLE OR A SET OF PEOPLE, UM, WHO ARE SINGLE AND WOULD FIND THAT A STUDIO APARTMENT, IT MEETS THEIR NEEDS AND, AND INCLUDING SOME SENIORS WHO MIGHT FEEL LIKE MM-HMM
THEY'RE HAPPY JUST LIVING SORT OF IN ONE SPACE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING MULTIPLE ROOMS AND WHATEVER.
I'M, I JUST WANNA NOT SAY WE'RE DISCOUNTING THE FACT THAT STUDIOS SUDDENLY HAVE NO IMPORTANCE BECAUSE THEY STILL CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING AND THEY MAY EVEN ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PRESSURE FROM SOME OF THESE GROUPS FOR YOU.
AND THAT'S A GREAT POINT, COUNSELOR, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE MAY BE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME IN THAT WE'RE NOT COUNTING ON, UM, THAT WILL COME IN AND ASK FOR STUDIOS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA TELL THEM THEY CAN'T
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DO STUDIOS, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S STILL A DEMAND OUT THERE FOR THEM.IT'S JUST NOT ONE OF OUR PARTICULAR GAPS THAT WE WANNA FILL.
UM, BUT THEY STILL FILL A NEED.
SO, UM, I EXPECT WE WILL STILL SEE A NUMBER OF ONE BEDROOM AND STUDIO UNITS, UM, PARTICULARLY AS WE TALK ABOUT COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE, IF THERE'S A COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT WITH A SECOND STORY ABOVE, MOST OF THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE ONE BEDROOM UNITS.
UM, AND IT'S ALMOST ALWAYS GONNA BE RENTAL.
UM, SO, AND THAT PROBABLY WILL GO ABOVE WHAT WE WERE ANTICIPATING FOR OUR ONE BEDROOM TARGET.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT STILL HITS A MARKET THAT THAT JUST ISN'T ONE OF OUR FOUR GAPS.
SO FOR THE NEW STUFF, UM, THE METHODS OF REACHING, UH, THAT 775 AND WE'VE PROPOSED FOUR DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET THERE.
UM, FIRST BEING, UM, RESIDENTIAL INFILL, UM, WE TAKE TWO DIFFERENT WAY, TWO DIFFERENT APPROACHES THERE.
WE HAVE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT OPPORTUNITIES, UM, SOME OF WHICH, UH, STEFAN IS GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY ON MONDAY.
SO, UM, WAYS THAT WE CAN LOOK DIFFERENTLY AT AT ADUS.
UM, SO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND THEN ALSO DEVELOPMENT OF SOME OF THE VACANT, UM, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
AGAIN, UM, WE TRY TO BE VERY REALISTIC FOR THESE.
SO WE ASSUME BECAUSE OF, OF PAST NUMBERS THAT ROUGHLY 1480 WILL BE BUILT PER YEAR.
WE ALSO ASSUME THAT ROUGHLY HALF OF THOSE WILL GO TO SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO BE PRACTICAL WITH EACH ONE OF THESE NUMBERS.
SAME THING, UM, ROUGHLY 75 PARCELS THAT WE THINK ARE, WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR RESIDENTIAL INFILL.
UM, OF THOSE APPROXIMATELY 40% WE'RE THINKING COULD BE DEVELOPED, UM, AS, AS INFILL UNITS.
AND THOSE INFILL UNITS COULD END UP BEING, UM, CURRENTLY THEY WOULD ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY HAVE TO BE SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, BUT IN THE FUTURE, POSSIBLY WITH DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES ADDED, UM, THAT MIGHT REQUIRE A CODE CHANGE TO, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SECOND CATEGORY IS RECOVERY AND RETENTION.
UM, WITH RECOVERY, UH, REPRESENTING UNITS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO RECAPTURE BACK INTO THE MARKET, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH YOUR RENT LOCAL PROGRAM.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN MINIMALLY SUCCESSFUL IN BEING ABLE TO MAKE A DENT WITH OUR RENT LOCAL PROGRAM.
WE AVERAGE, UM, BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR UNITS A YEAR THAT DECIDE TO JOIN THE PROGRAM.
UM, WE THINK IF WE MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THAT, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE ROBUST, WE CAN INCREASE THAT NUMBER.
IT WON'T BE DRAMATIC, BUT IT WILL, UH, IT WILL ALSO HELP US MOVE FORWARD IN TRYING TO RECAPTURE, UM, SOME OF OUR HOUSING UNITS.
UM, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE OTHER SHORT-TERM RENTALS TEAM, BUT STILL BEING BUILT.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, RETENTION IS RECOGNITION THAT BACK TO THAT IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO STAY IN PLACE, UM, OR TO PURCHASE AN EXISTING HOME.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WITH YOUR EXISTING HOME BUYER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS, UM, BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE, MAYBE COME UP WITH SOME OTHER SOLUTIONS OR BEEF UP THOSE SOLUTIONS, BUT ALSO PROGRAMS THAT WILL ALLOW SOME RELIEF TO COST BURDEN.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S A HOME REHABILITATION PROJECT OR IF WE CAN COME IN AND LOOK AT ADDRESSING, UM, HIGH MAINTENANCE LANDSCAPES, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT COST TOO MUCH TO MAINTAIN AND YOU CAN'T MAINTAIN THEM ANYMORE.
UM, I'VE SEEN PROGRAMS OUT THERE THAT ALLOW, UM, THE CITY OR ITS PARTNERS TO COME IN AND TRANSFORM THAT INTO LOW MAINTENANCE.
SO NOW THAT COST IS OFF OF YOUR, OFF OF YOUR CHEST.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THE TWO, UM, TYPES OF PROGRAMS WE'D LOOK AT IN RECOVERY AND RETENTION.
RETENTION DOESN'T COUNT AGAINST OUR 7 75.
IT JUST KEEPS THAT NUMBER FROM GETTING HIGHER.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT? IT WAS PRETTY LOW.
I THINK IT'S FIVE PER PROGRAM THOUGH, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HAVE THE TWO DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. IS IT TOTAL? OKAY.
SO YEAH, IT'S NOT AS HIGH AS IT COULD BE.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IS THE PROGRAM INTENTIONALLY ALLOWS YOU TO LIVE IN SEDONA OR TO TAKE THAT AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE VERDE VALLEY, WHICH IS FINE, BUT WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT RETOOLING THAT A LITTLE BIT TOO, TO HELP INCENT BEING ABLE TO KEEP PEOPLE HERE IN SEDONA, IF POSSIBLE.
IT'S NOT TO TAKE AWAY THE OPTION OF GOING TO THE VERDE VALLEY BECAUSE THAT NEEDS TO BE AN OPTION, BUT CAN WE RETOOL IT TO ALSO MAKE IT MORE EXCITING TO BE HERE? SO WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE PROGRAMS AND OR SEE IF THERE'S A BETTER, UM, IF THERE'S A BETTER MOUSETRAP OUT THERE THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO APPLY IN ITS PLACE, UM, TO HELP INCREASE THOSE NUMBERS.
AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS THE, UH, THE
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CDBG GRANT THAT WE GAVE TO HABITAT YES.DOES THAT REPORT INTO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT? IT DOES.
SO HOW ARE THEY DOING? THEY ARE DOING WELL.
THEY STARTED OFF SLOW, RIGHT? VERY SLOW.
UM, AND SO IT, UH, BUT THEY ARE AT A POINT NOW WHERE THEY HAVE THE, THE WAITING LIST IS FULL.
THEY HAVE THEIR, THEIR TOTAL SLOT OF 12 TO DO.
UM, AND THEY ARE WORKING TO TRY TO COMPLETE THOSE.
UM, WE DID HAVE ONE OF OUR FIRST REHAB UNITS, UM, ACTUALLY GO UP FOR SALE BEFORE THE TIME IT WAS SUPPOSED TO.
UM, SO WE HAD, UM, A BIT OF DISCUSSION BETWEEN ALL OF US AND THE HOUSEHOLDER WAS VERY GRACIOUS.
AND SO, UM, THEY HAVE IN FACT REIMBURSED THE PROGRAM, UM, SO THAT THAT MONEY CAN NOW BE PUT BACK INTO ANOTHER FAMILY.
AND, UM, AND, AND IT'S WORKING.
IT'S JUST WORKING AT A SLOWER PACE THAN WE EXPECTED.
UM, BUT THEY HAVE SOME DEADLINES THEY'VE GOTTA MEET.
SO, UM, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING HARD AT TRYING TO PUSH THE PACE A BIT THERE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD THE, UH, COMMUNITY CONVERSATION A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE, 'CAUSE MY TABLE WAS HOW TO KEEP SENIORS HERE.
I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ONE PERSON WHO CAME THROUGH IN SIX ROUNDS THAT KNEW ABOUT THAT PROGRAM.
WE, WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO DO A BETTER JOB OF GETTING THE, AND I KNOW THAT IN, IN TALKING TO LAURA, THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF EFFORTS APPLIED FOR ALL OF THESE PROGRAMS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE HITTING THE MARK YET.
SO WE'VE GOT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CREATIVE WITH OUR OUTREACH.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SOLUTION IS.
THAT'S EASY FOR ME TO SAY 'CAUSE I DIDN'T TRY THE OTHERS.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE TO FIND A BETTER WAY TO GET, UM, THE WORD OUT FOR THAT.
AND ON THAT NOTE TOO, THE OTHER THING THAT, UM, SO NACOG HAS LOOKED AT THE POSSIBILITY OF GOING AHEAD AND, AND LOOKING AT ANOTHER ROUND OF APPLICANTS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT A COUPLE PEOPLE CAN FALL OFF.
UM, BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS THEY HAVE A SIMILAR PROGRAM, UM, AT THE COUNTY LEVEL THAT THEY'LL BE DOING.
SO IF THEY END UP GETTING 15 INSTEAD OF 12, THEY CAN JUST ADD THAT LAST THREE ONTO THE COUNTYWIDE PROGRAM.
SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO GET HEARTBROKEN BY THE IDEA THAT THEY WERE APPLIED, THAT THEY APPLIED AND THEN DIDN'T GET IT.
ARE WE RELYING ON, UH, HABITAT TO DO ALL THE OUTREACH? OR ARE WE ALSO CALLED MARKETING THAT PROGRAM? I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE BEEN HELPING, YEAH.
DO YOU WANT TO TALK TO THAT? YEAH.
SO, UM, WE, I'VE GONE AND TAKEN BROCHURES TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND TO VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER DISTRIBUTED THOSE WITH THEIR MILLS ON WHEELS, MEALS ON WHEELS CLIENTS, UM, AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER OR THE CAREGIVERS.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY DID IT, BUT THEY WERE EXCITED AND THEY HAD LOTS OF PEOPLE IN MIND.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED FROM THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS THAT SENIORS CAN BE A LITTLE HESITANT TO TRUST OUTSIDERS.
UM, A LITTLE FEARFUL MAYBE OF BEING SCAMMED.
AND SO THE APPROACH WITH THEIR MEALS ON WHEELS COORDINATOR, BRINGING THEM THE BROCHURES AND THE INFORMATION, AND MAYBE BEING THE LIAISON TO HELP MAKE THE PHONE CALL AND HELP MAKE THAT INTRODUCTION, UM, THAT THAT HELPED A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE JUST THEM HAVING THE INFORMATION AND THE KNOWLEDGE DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE REALLY GONNA REACH OUT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
SO, UM, THEY'VE BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN THAT.
AND YEAH, SO IT, THE HABITAT MARKETING IS THEIR, YOU KNOW, PART OF THEIR CONTRACT, BUT WE'VE STEPPED IN BECAUSE WE'RE HERE AND WE'VE JUST BROUGHT BROCHURES AROUND AND DONE A LITTLE BIT OF MARKETING OURSELVES TO HELP MOVE THE PROGRAM ALONG.
THEY'VE BEEN SHORT STAFFED AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, BUT NOW THEY HAVE A JEAN MARK OVER THERE.
SO MAYBE IT'S WORTH ANOTHER VISIT.
AND ONE OF THE, UM, AND, AND YOU, YOU PROBABLY KNOW THIS, BUT ONE OF THE, UM, BARRIERS THAT THEY KEEP RUNNING INTO IS THAT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO NEED THE, THE ASSISTANCE ARE IN HOMES THAT ARE ON LEASE LAND, AND THOSE DON'T QUALIFY FOR THE, THE PROGRAM.
AND SO A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR SENIORS IN SUNSET VILLAGE, THEY DON'T QUALIFY EVEN THOUGH THEY PROBABLY NEED, NEED THE HELP BECAUSE OF THE LEASE LAND.
SO THAT'S BEEN A BARRIER TO THIS.
THE NICE THING ABOUT THAT, AND LEARNING SOME OF THESE LESSONS ALONG THE WAY IS, YOU KNOW, A-C-D-B-G DOESN'T ALLOW CERTAIN THINGS, AND I THINK THIS GETS BACK TO THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN BENEFITS TO USING FEDERAL PROGRAMS. THERE'S ALSO SOME BARRIERS THAT
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COME ALONG THE WAY.AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE'LL BE LOOKING AT AS PART OF THESE STRATEGIES IS HOW DO WE DO THIS IN OTHER WAYS THAT WILL INVOLVE LOCAL FUNDING? BUT IT GIVES US A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO REACH DIFFERENT HOUSEHOLDS THAT, THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO REACH, BUT THEY CAN'T UNDER THE CURRENT PROGRAMS. SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE ASPECTS AS WELL.
THE THIRD, UM, THE THIRD APPROACH IS COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE BEING VERY REALISTIC ON THE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT SIDE.
UM, THAT INVOLVES A NUMBER OF THE OLDER, UH, SINGLE STORY COMMERCIAL SITES, UM, THAT ARE NEARING THEIR SHELF LIFE, LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL FOR REDEVELOPMENT.
AND, UH, AND IF THEY DO, IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC TO SEE A SECOND STORY RESIDENTIAL, UM, ON TOP OF SOME OF THOSE, UH, UM, SOME OF THOSE COMMERCIAL UNITS.
UM, WE DON'T SEE BECAUSE IT'S, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT INCENTIVES TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THEM, OR SOME WAY TO MAKE IT WORTH THEIR WHILE.
'CAUSE A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS ARE JUST CASH FLOWING RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S NO REASON TO MAKE SOMEBODY SAY, HEY, OKAY, I'LL SPEND MONEY THAT I DON'T NEED TO SPEND TO MAKE MORE MONEY LATER.
WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE POINT TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THEM THAT THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
AND SO, SO OUR, OUR ANTICIPATION FOR THAT IS RELATIVELY LOW.
UM, WE ARE EXPECTING, WE'RE PROJECTING ROUGHLY 4.5 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT, UM, OVER THE 10 YEAR PERIOD, IF MORE HAPPENS AND WE COME UP WITH BETTER SOLUTIONS TO DO IT FASTER.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT WILL BE A GAME CHANGER, UM, BOTH IN TERMS OF THE CONTEXT OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, BUT ALSO, UH, IN OUR ABILITY TO, TO REVITALIZE SOME OF THESE CORRIDORS.
SO, AND THEN THE FOURTH AND MOST OBVIOUS PIECE IS NEW CONSTRUCTION.
STICK WITH THREE FOR A SECOND.
HAVE YOU HAD, UH, BUILDING OWNERS, COMMERCIAL BUILDING OWNERS REACHING OUT FOR NEVERMIND HOUSING OR PUTTING A SECOND STORY ON, BUT JUST APPROACHING AND SAYING, HEY, I THINK I NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT OF MY PROPERTY.
IS THERE A LIST OF, OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE, THAT YOU'D BE APPROACHING WITH SOME OF THIS ABOUT, HEY, HOW ABOUT YOU DO MORE? I'LL BE HONEST THAT THAT HAS BEEN A VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS AND, AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH A COUPLE FOLKS.
UM, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT PARTICULARLY OF THIS KIND, UM, IS, IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO GET PEOPLE EXCITED ABOUT.
UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF OF PROPERTY OWNERS WILL LOOK AT RIGHT AWAY AND SAY, THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE BEEN DYING TO DO.
UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE PROJECT IS WORKING FOR THEM.
MOST OF THE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN PAID OFF AT THIS POINT.
THEIR TENANTS ARE PAYING GOOD RENT.
AND, UH, SO THERE'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD YOU SPEND SUBSTANTIALLY MORE MONEY TO COMPLETELY TEAR DOWN YOUR BUILDING AND REBUILD, UM, AND TAKE THAT PERIOD OF TIME TO REINVEST? SO, SO IT'S A LIMITED NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
IT'S A VERY LIMITED LIST RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE'RE ABLE TO BUILD A PRO FORMA, FOR EXAMPLE, AND SHOW THEM WHAT NUMBERS LOOK LIKE, UM, BOTH CURRENT AND WHAT IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE, I THINK WE'LL GET MORE INTEREST.
UM, BUT THERE HAS TO BE A REASON AND, AND IT'S REALLY ON US TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THEM, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO, THERE'S REALLY NOT A GREAT DEAL OF INTEREST RIGHT NOW.
SO WITH THE NEW CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF THINGS, WE'RE LOOKING AT CITY OWNED PROPERTY, OBVIOUSLY, UM, WHERE POSSIBLE AND PRACTICAL, UM, AS WELL AS OTHER POTENTIAL VACANT, PRIVATE, UM, AND IN SOME CASES NONPROFIT SITES THAT, UH, WE COULD POTENTIALLY PARTNER WITH.
UM, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE NUMBERS WE'RE GETTING READY TO SHOW YOU.
UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT DENSITIES THAT COULD RANGE BETWEEN EIGHT UNITS AN ACRE TO 18 UNITS AN ACRE.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE WANT TO TRY TO STAY AT TWO STORIES WITH MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF THREE STORY MIXED IN WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO DO THREE STORY STRUCTURES, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE A FULL SCALE.
WE DON'T SEE A NEED FOR FULL SCALE THREE STORY ANYWHERE.
UM, IT WOULD BE FOR ARCHITECTURAL DIFFERENTIATION AND, AND TO ADD VALUE.
UM, SO, SO AGAIN, WE THINK WE CAN DO THIS IN LIMITED SCALE STAYS WITHIN CONTEXT OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT FOCUSING THAT ON THAT MISSING MIDDLE COMPONENT, TOWNHOUSES, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, UM, COTTAGE HOMES, YOU NAME IT.
THE VARIETY OF THINGS THAT, THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH OF HERE, UM, THAT WE, THAT WE SEE AS, UM, THAT AVENUE TO GET PARTICULARLY MANY OF THOSE WORKING AGE HOUSEHOLDS, UM, BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE SEDONA SENIORS, UM, UNITS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE NEW CONSTRUCTION, HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE, UM, SOMEBODY DOING AN INFILL
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LOT FOR EXAMPLE, AND DOING THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR SENIORS.SO WE ARE JUST IN OUR MATH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING IT ALL TO BE NEW CONSTRUCTION SINCE WE CHANGED THE RULES ON, UH, ADUS.
HAVE YOU SEEN A LOT OF PLANS FOR ADUS? SO WE, WE ARE AVERAGING 14, ROUGHLY 14 A YEAR.
YEAH, IT'S THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SEEING ADUS GOING GANGBUSTERS.
UM, I THINK PART OF THAT WILL COME OUT OF THIS HOUSING STRATEGY AND OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS WE LOOK TO MAKE CHANGES TO OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
I THINK THAT'LL MAKE A DIFFERENCE WITH ADUS AND I THINK IT'LL MAKE DIFFERENCE WITH, UM, A NUMBER OF THESE OTHER MISSING MIDDLE, UH, PIECES AS WELL.
SO, BUT RIGHT NOW ADUS COULD BE LOCATED ANYWHERE.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S NOT AS IF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE'S HOLDING IT BACK, BUT I THINK THERE ARE WAYS WE CAN RETOOL THAT THAT WOULD MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE APPEALING, UH, FOR INDIVIDUALS.
AND I THINK WE COULD SEE THAT CHANGE.
SO, UM, THE LAST SLIDE WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU IS WHAT OUR TARGET ESTIMATES ARE BY CATEGORY, AND THIS IS HOW WE GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B.
UM, FOR NEIGHBORHOOD INFILL, WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 55 TO 75 UNITS MOSTLY GEARED TOWARDS WORKING AGE HOUSEHOLDS.
UM, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OR COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT.
AGAIN, WE WERE VERY REALISTIC THERE.
ZERO TO 10 UNITS, UM, IS WHAT WE THINK IS ACHIEVABLE.
AND THESE ARE UNITS THAT WORK WITHIN OUR TARGETS.
THAT'S NOT TO REG THAT, AGAIN, AS, AS, UH, COUNCILOR DUNN'S POINT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE WON'T BE OTHERS THAT MAY COME IN AND ASK FOR ONE BEDROOM UNITS THAT DON'T COUNT AGAINST THE TARGETS.
UM, RECOVERY AND RETENTION, WE THINK WE CAN GAIN 60 TO 70 UNITS PRIMARILY THROUGH ADUS, UM, AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND THAT LEAVES ESSENTIALLY 260 TO 300 UNITS FOR WORKING AGE HOUSEHOLDS AND 175 UNITS FOR SEDONA SENIORS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO AGAIN, THE NUMBERS BECOME MUCH MORE REALISTIC AND ACHIEVABLE.
SO YOU'LL NOTE WE HAVE NOT TIED THESE TWO SPECIFIC LOCATIONS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVEN'T BEEN LOOKING AT LOCATIONS.
UM, WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY FROM PROPERTIES THAT WE OWN, SUCH AS 24 11, UM, THE SUNSET LOFTS PROPERTIES, UM, AND WHAT CAN BE DONE ON THOSE AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT, UM, AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR POTENTIAL PARTNER PROPERTIES.
THEY JUST DON'T KNOW THEY WANNA BE PARTNERS YET
SO, UM, BUT UH, YEAH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE UPDATE.
UM, WE DIDN'T WANNA OVERWHELM YOU WITH A BUNCH OF NUMBERS TONIGHT AS MUCH AS TO GET TO THE POINT, MAYOR, TONY, LAURA, 14 SLIDES IS A BEAUTIFUL THING.
SO THE, FOR US TO ACHIEVE THIS 7 75 NUMBER, IT REQUIRES THE CITY TO BE INVOLVED, TO BE ACTIVE, TO BE A PARTICIPANT, A CHEERLEADER, A POSSIBLE SOURCE OF CASH, YOU NAME IT.
AT THE SAME TIME WE HEAR SOME FOLKS SAY, OH, JUST LET MARKET FORCES SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
CAN YOU PROVIDE ANY COMPARISON CONTEXT OF, YOU KNOW, GOING DOWN THIS PATH, LIKE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VERSUS SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE INVOLVED IN IT.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT THINGS WOULD LOOK LIKE 10 YEARS FROM NOW WITHOUT ACTIVE CITY INVOLVEMENT IN WHAT WE'VE SAID IS ONE OF OUR TOP FOUR PRIORITIES AS A COUNCIL? NO, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.
AND I'LL, I'LL DEFINE COMMITMENT IN TWO BASKETS IF I CAN.
ONE, WE HAVE THE BASKET WHERE WITH REZONING AND THE, THE DIGA AND OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN WORK WITH OUR REGULATORY TOOLS TO HELP MOVE THINGS FORWARD.
GOODROW IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
UM, AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, WHICH IS DIRECT INTERVENTION, UM, AND BEING A MORE AGGRESSIVE PARTNER, THAT'S WHERE YOU START TO BE ABLE TO HIT YOUR WORKING AGE HOUSEHOLDS, UM, AND, AND YOU'RE ABLE TO DO MORE.
UM, THE REASON I PULLED THIS SLIDE BACK UP IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE UNITS PROVIDED OF OUR 221, THE UNITS PROVIDED BY INCOME LIMIT, YOU'LL SEE THAT 54% OF THOSE UNITS ARE MARKET RATE.
THAT'S NAVAJO LOFTS IN JORDAN TOWN HOMES.
UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THOSE INVOLVED, VERY LIMITED INTERVENTION, THOSE INVOLVED, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT CHANGES IN DENSITY, FOR EXAMPLE, OR, YOU KNOW, SIMPLE CHANGES IN ZONING, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, TRIGGER.
WE NEEDED TO MAKE THOSE HAPPEN.
WE DID NOT HAVE TO MAKE A FINANCIAL COMMITMENT IN THOSE CASES.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ALMOST EVERYTHING ELSE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GOODROW WHO SAID SPECIFICALLY THEY DID NOT WANT, UM,
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ASSISTANCE, AND THAT WAS A, A PECULIAR SITUATION.UM, BEYOND THAT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DIP IN, WE ARE NOT GOING TO DIP IN TO 80 TO 150% A MI WITH WITHOUT SOME LEVEL OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, AND THAT MEANS FINANCIAL COMMITMENT.
NOW, THAT CAN MEAN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, WE WORK DIRECTLY WITH A DEVELOPMENT PARTNER.
UM, WE HELP THEM PURCHASE LAND OR WE HELP THEM MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, I WOULD CERTAINLY NOT RECOMMEND THAT WE BECOME A DEVELOPER.
UH, GOVERNMENT GENERALLY SPEAKING ISN'T GOOD AT IT,
SO, UM, BUT THE LEVEL OF FINANCIAL COMMITMENT WILL BE ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL, PARTICULARLY IF WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT THE TARGET AUDIENCES THAT WE WANT TO TARGET.
THERE'S A REASON THAT SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUALS, THESE WORKING AGE HOUSEHOLDS WITH KIDS, THERE'S A REASON THEY'RE SOMEWHERE ELSE RIGHT NOW.
AND SO TO BE ABLE TO FILL THAT VOID AND TO CONVINCE TO HELP A DEVELOPER MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT MOST OF YOUR ATTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS RIGHT NOW, MOST OF THEM ARE TRENDING TOWARDS STUDIOS, ONE BEDROOMS, TWO BEDROOM MAX, MAYBE A THREE BEDROOM UNIT HERE AND THERE.
UM, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK, UM, FOR OUR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THE HIGHER BEDROOM UNITS REQUIRES A HIGHER LEVEL OF COMMITMENT ON OUR PART.
IT'S UNFORTUNATELY SIMPLY THE WAY THE MARKET IS.
SO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTLY, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY NEED TO BE MAKING A FINANCIAL COMMITMENT, UH, FOR ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THESE PROJECTS WE WANNA MOVE TOWARDS, WHETHER WE ARE JUST THE PROPERTY OWNER OR WHETHER WE'RE THE PROPERTY OWNER AND WE DO MORE, IS IT TOO EARLY TO LOOK INTO YOUR CRYSTAL BALL AND SAY WHAT KIND OF WAR CHEST MIGHT BE NECESSARY GIVEN THAT WE'RE STARTING WITH 19 MILLION RIGHT NOW? IT'LL BE A LOT MORE THAN 19 MILLION, TO BE QUITE HONEST, TO BE ABLE TO MEET EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE.
NOW, I SHOULD BE VERY, I ACTUALLY, I SHOULD BACK OFF OF THAT BECAUSE THAT SOUNDED REALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE I REALLY HAD A CRYSTAL BALL.
UM, BUT, UM, $19 MILLION IS GOING TO, TO MAKE AN IMPACT, YOU KNOW, IT WILL DEFINITELY MAKE AN IMPACT.
I THINK IT DEPENDS, UM, ON THE ROLE THAT WE PLAY, UM, AND THE STREET AND, AND AS, AS YOU AS COUNSEL KNOW, WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE FRUGAL WITH THE WAY WE MAKE COMMITMENTS.
SO I'M, I'M BY NO MEANS ASKING YOU TO, TO, TO OPEN UP THE WAR CHEST COMPLETELY AND LET'S JUST GO BUY STUFF.
UM, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE STRATEGIC.
SO I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU, UH, VICE MAYOR, UM, AS MUCH AS TO SAY THAT, UH, WE WILL EASILY USE $19 MILLION TO MEET THIS COMMITMENT AND LIKELY NEED MORE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS JUST THE OVERALL BARRIER TO SUCCESS ON THIS PLAN, THIS STRATEGY? THE BIGGEST ISSUE RIGHT NOW, UM, IS, IS QUITE FRANKLY IS FINANCIAL.
UM, ACROSS THE BOARD, IT BUILDING RIGHT NOW IS DIFFICULT, PERIOD.
BUILDING IN SEDONA IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.
IT'S EXPENSIVE TO BE TO, TO BUILD HERE.
IF YOU WERE TO COMPARE DOING A DEVELOPMENT HERE VERSUS DOING A DEVELOPMENT IN PRESCOTT, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE WE HAVE OPEN LAND, UM, AND AVAILABLE SPACES, AND YOU CAN BUY IT IN LARGER QUANTITIES, YOU CAN DRIVE DOWN COSTS, UM, BY BEING ABLE TO DO QUANTITIES THAT WE CAN'T DO HERE.
YOU KNOW, OUR LARGEST SITES THAT ARE AVAILABLE, GENERALLY SPEAKING WITH A COUPLE OF EXCEPTIONS, UM, ARE IN THE BALLPARK OF 10 ACRES.
YOU CAN'T DO A WHOLE LOT WITH 10 ACRES WHEN YOU IN CROSS COMPARISON TO SOMEBODY WHO CAN ACQUIRE 150 ACRES AND, AND YOU CAN EX, YOU CAN BUILD THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN A MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE WAY.
SO, UM, PLUS THE LAND IS CHEAPER IN MOST OTHER PLACES, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK WITH STEEP SLOPES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FIRE CONDITIONS AND OTHER TYPES OF THINGS.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS NATURALLY DRIVE OUR COSTS UP, UM, ALREADY.
SO, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO OUR ABILITY TO BUILD ATTAINABLE HOUSING, WE'RE ALREADY AT A FINANCIAL DISADVANTAGE AND ANYONE COMING IN IS GOING TO BE AT THAT SAME DISADVANTAGE.
BUYING, FINDING FLAT PROPERTY HERE IS NOT EASY.
UM, AND I'M PRETTY SURE NAVAJO LOSS MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN THE LAST ONE, SO.
CERTAINLY, KATHY, THE NOISE, UH, PIGGYBACKING ON THE QUESTION ABOUT CHALLENGES AND POTENTIAL OBSTACLES, OBVIOUSLY THE FINANCING IS ONE, BUT THE CULTURE OF THE COMMUNITY I THINK IS ALSO WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, UH, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN SITTING UP HERE AND ON PNZ BEFORE THAT AND, AND AWARE WHENEVER A, UM, DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSED, WHENEVER, WHEREVER, I MEAN, THIS
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IS CONSISTENT THROUGH MY HISTORY HERE.THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN COMMUNITY OPPOSITION BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S GONNA SAY EITHER, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT AN APPROPRIATE PIECE OF LAND, OR YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE THE, UH, TRAFFIC IN THE ROADS THAT SERVE OUR IMMEDIATE STREETS, OR YOU ARE GONNA CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY HERE.
SO HOW DO WE GET A HANDLE ON THAT? WHERE DOES THAT FALL IN THE OBSTACLE? YOU KNOW, I HATE THINK IT MIGHT BE A LARGER OBSTACLE IN SOME WAYS THAN THE FINANCIAL END OF IT,
I THINK TO SOME DEGREE YOU MAY BE RIGHT.
UM, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, UM, I THINK WE KNOW THE HOUSING NEED IS THERE.
WE KNOW THAT, THAT WE, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WHEN WE HAVE TALKED TO RESIDENTS IN THE AREA, EMPLOYEES IN THE AREA, PARTICULARLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN INVESTED IN THIS COMMUNITY BEYOND 2020, SO PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE IN 1995, PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE IN 2003, UM, ET CETERA.
WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE A CONVERSATION OF SEDONA, THE CONVERSATION GOES BACK TO A SEDONA THAT EXISTED IN 2000, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU HAD A NUMBER OF 1300 KIDS OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER I FORGET, IN, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, WHEN YOU HAD A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT HOUSEHOLD TYPES.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CHASE ANYONE OUT AS MUCH AS WE'RE SAYING THAT THOSE IDEAS AND CONCEPTS OF COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, KIDS PLAYING IN THE STREET CAUSING A LITTLE BIT OF A RUCKUS, UM, THOSE TYPES OF, OF THINGS HAVE BECOME VERY MUCH MISSING IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND SO IT REALLY DOES BECOME A QUESTION OF WHICH KIND OF SEDONA ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? UM, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT SAY, WE LIKE WHAT WE'VE GOT.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A DIFFICULT EFFORT TO BE ABLE TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT THERE'S, WE, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO LOSE WHAT YOU'VE GOT.
WE WANT TO AMPLIFY WHAT YOU'VE GOT.
UM, BUT WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER.
AND IN SOME CASES, COMPROMISE.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE GONNA BE PLACES WHERE TWO STORIES BLOCKS OF YOU, UM, BUT THAT PROPERTY, THIS IS WHERE THE PROPERTY RIGHTS SIDE OF ME KICKS IN AND SAYS, THAT PROPERTY DIDN'T BELONG TO YOU TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, SO, AND THE LAW ALREADY SAYS IT CAN BE DONE.
WE'RE NOT ASKING PEOPLE TO GO BEYOND WHAT THE LAW DOES.
SO, UM, FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT COMBINATION OF RESPECTING PEOPLE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND HELPING TO ACHIEVE THE TYPE OF COMMUNITY WE WANNA ACHIEVE.
UM, BEING VERY CANDID, IT'S NOT GONNA BE EASY.
UM, IT'S A MESSAGE THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA COME ACROSS UNPOPULAR IN A COUPLE PLACES.
UM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE GET A CHOICE, UH, TO BE QUITE HONEST.
I, I DON'T THINK TO, TO BE THE SEDONA THAT WE HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, TO BE THAT SEDONA AND, AND TO ACHIEVE THE TYPES OF THINGS WE HEAR PEOPLE WANT TO ACHIEVE, WE, WE DON'T GET THE PRIVILEGE OF OF GIVING UP ON THAT.
PIGGYBACKING ON THAT THEN, UM, PIGGYBACKING ON THE PIGGYBACK EXACTLY,
BY AND LARGE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALREADY THE CONVERTED SO YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR TOP PRIORITIES.
I WISH THERE WERE MORE PEOPLE HERE YEAH.
AND SURE THERE'S A THINK TANK NEXT WEEK.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE AT THAT? WE'VE HIT, WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO HITTING THE MAX.
SO WE'RE ABOUT, WE SHOULD BE AT ABOUT 70.
BUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN ON THIS AS A OVERALL HOUSING STRATEGY? SO, GREAT QUESTION.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO, I SHOULDN'T SAY GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE THEN PEOPLE WONDER WHAT A DUMB QUESTION IS, RIGHT? SO, BUT IT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, THE, SO WITH THIS PROCESS, WE WILL BE DOING THE THINK TANK.
WE WILL BE DOING A SECOND OPEN HOUSE, HOPEFULLY ATTENDED BY MORE THAN 18 PEOPLE, UM, WHICH WAS THE FIRST ONE, AND I'LL TAKE, I'LL TAKE CREDIT FOR THAT.
WE DIDN'T DO AS MUCH, UM, OUTREACH AS WE SHOULD HAVE TO DRAW PEOPLE INTO THAT.
BUT THE SECOND, THE SECOND, UM, OPEN MEETING WILL BE DEDICATED TOWARDS STRATEGIES.
IT'S THE HOW DO WE DO THIS? HOW DO WE MAKE IT HAPPEN? AND HERE'S WHERE WE TAKE THOSE IDEAS THAT CAME FROM THE THINK TANK, UM, AND OUR LOGAN SIMPSON CONSULTANT COLLEAGUES ARE GOING TO CLEAN SOME OF THAT UP.
THEY'RE GONNA COME UP WITH SOME ADDITIONAL IDEAS.
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GONNA BE PRESENTED OUT AS, AS THE WAY TO MOVE FORWARD, WHETHER IT'S CHANGES TO PROGRAMS, WHETHER IT'S CHANGES TO ZONING, UM, NEW CONSTRUCTION OPPORTUNITIES, YOU NAME IT.UM, BUT THEN ONCE WE GET DONE WITH THAT, HONESTLY, I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF PREACHING TO DO.
UM, WE NEED TO GO OUT AND, AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS, WHETHER IT'S WITH, UH, INDIVIDUALS AT THE CHAMBER, WHETHER IT'S GOING OUT AND TALKING TO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, ET CETERA.
WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND CONTINUE, UM, TO, TO HIT THE PAVEMENT AND, AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THIS AND, AND CONTINUE TO GET INPUT AND HEAR WHAT PEOPLE'S NEEDS ARE.
SO, UM, SO THE OUTREACH IS, IS PRETTY SPECIFIC WITH THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT ITSELF.
UM, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE MORE TO DO ONCE WE'RE DONE.
CAN I STAY ON THIS POINT, OR DO YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT POINT, MELISSA? IT'S PIGGYBACKS ALL THE WAY DOWN.
BACKING ON THE PIGGYBACK OF THE PIGGYBACK, UM, SOME THINGS THAT YOU'VE SAID IN THE COURSE OF THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT, I THINK MAY BE IMPORTANT POINTS TO GET OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE REACT TO WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW.
AND WE, WE, THE CITY, RIGHT AT THIS POINT, WE ARE USUALLY REACTIVE VERSUS PROACTIVE ON INFORMATION.
I MEAN, THERE ARE THINGS HERE THAT I THINK PEOPLE WOULD FIND MORE COMFORTING WHEN THEY HEAR OF A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT COMING THEIR WAY.
YOU KNOW, RED FLAGS FACTS GO UP, BUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE SAID IS SPREAD OUT.
YOU HAD A MAP SHOWING THAT IT'S NOT ALL INUNDATING ONE SPECIFIC AREA IN A COMMUNITY.
YOU'VE SAID IN HERE TWO STORIES.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT THESE ARE THINGS THAT, THAT PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR THAT ARE, THAT PUT, IT MAKES IT MORE CONTEXTUAL FOR THEM.
UM, SO I'M HOPING THAT THAT WOULD BE A PART OF ANY STRATEGIES.
DO YOU PLAN TO ADDRESS THOSE POINTS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD WITH THIS DOCUMENT TO MAKE EVERYTHING AS REALISTIC, PRACTICAL, ACHIEVABLE, AND TOLERANT, TOLERABLE AS POSSIBLE, UM, TO GET EXACTLY TO THAT POINT.
UM, COULD WE HAVE MADE A RECOMMENDATION FOR FOUR STORIES? ABSOLUTELY.
THE NEED IS THERE, UM, WOODHEAD HAVE PROBABLY BLINDSIDED THE PROJECT OR, OR, OR ENDED THE PROJECT BEFORE WE STARTED.
SO WE STARTED THIS PRO THIS PROJECT, UNDERSTANDING AND LISTENING TO THE, THE DISCUSSIONS FROM INDIVIDUALS AT WHATEVER PROJECTS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, 50, TRANQUIL, GOODROW, YOU NAME IT.
OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FEEDBACK BEFORE, UM, SUNSET LOFTS, THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAD HAPPENED THERE, AND UNDERSTANDING, UM, THE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT THAT WE, WE HEARD PEOPLE.
AND SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AGAIN, THAT'S SO BEING ABLE TO HELP GET THE WORD OUT THAT WE HAVE HEARD YOU COMMUNITY CHARACTER'S IMPORTANT.
WE HAVE APPLIED THAT TO THIS TO COME UP WITH A REALISTIC NUMBER.
UM, INSTEAD OF 30% NEW HOMES, WE'RE LOOKING AT AROUND 11% NEW HOMES.
THAT'S THAT IN OVER 10 YEARS, THAT'S NOT A LOT.
SO, UM, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU THINK OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT HAVE COME IN AS SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SO BEING ABLE TO, TO TAKE BACK OUR COMMUNITY TO A DEGREE, UM, AND, AND REBUILD OUR COMMUNITY IS, IS AN ACHIEVABLE THING.
YOU'RE SURE?
UM, SO I, I HAVE, I HAVE THE STUPID QUESTION FOR YOU, BUT FIRST, UM, I'M GONNA PIGGYBACK, PIGGYBACK, PIGGYBACK, PIGGYBACK THE MAP THAT YOU HAVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA GO BACK AND SHOW THAT'S ON 12.
THESE ARE THINGS ALREADY IN PROGRESS.
THE MAP I THINK PEOPLE WANNA KNOW IS WHERE'S THE LAND THAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON BUILDING ON? YEAH.
THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT MAP THAN THE MAP THAT'S CURRENTLY HERE.
SO WHEN WE SAID SHOW THE MAP, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE MAP PEOPLE WANNA SEE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, ANYONE WHO'S BEEN DOWN 89 A ALREADY HAVE SEEN ALCHEMIST, UM, EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT VILLAS OF SHELBY.
I THINK ALREADY NAVAJO, LS, ALL OF THESE AS TO YOUR POINT MM-HMM
HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSION MANY, MANY TIMES.
WHAT PEOPLE WANNA KNOW IS WHERE ARE YOU PLANNING ON PUTTING HOMES IN RELATION TO WHERE THEY CURRENTLY LIVE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO FIRST LET'S, UM, THAT WAS MY GOOD QUESTION.
I STILL HAVE MY STUPID ONE WAITING.
I, I, UM, SO WE INTENTIONALLY DON'T SHOW SPECIFIC LOCATIONS FOR THESE HOUSING UNITS FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
UM, ONE, WE DON'T KNOW WHICH DIRECTION SOME OF OUR POTENTIAL PARTNER PROPERTIES
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COULD TAKE.SO I DON'T WANNA SHOW A PRIVATE PROPERTY ON A MAP, UM, AND THEN HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN HERE NOW.
UM, OR BECAUSE ONCE WE START NEGOTIATIONS, UM, IF WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO START NEGOTIATIONS, UM, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN A WAY THAT IS, AGAIN, COST EFFECTIVE.
THE MINUTE I PUT IT ON A MAP, IT BECOMES MORE EXPENSIVE PROPERTY.
EVERY TIME I'VE DONE IT, IT'S ALWAYS HAPPENED.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, POTENTIAL, UM, POTENTIAL PARTNERS, UM, AS IT RELATES TO OUR PUBLIC PROPERTY, UM, THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO AS PUBLIC PROPERTY.
WELL, THE PUBLIC PROPERTY, I WOULD SAY FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, EVERYTHING IS FAIR GAME.
UM, WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT ALL OF THE PROPERTY THAT THE, THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS.
UM, AND AGAIN, APPLYING CONTEXT SENSITIVITY TO IT.
SO IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE 24 11 SUNSET LOFTS, WE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ALREADY KNOWN QUANTITIES AND WE'D LOVE TO GET STARTED ON THOSE.
UM, BUT SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL SAY THE QUIET THING OUT LOUD.
IF, UH, IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT PROPERTY, TO PUT HOUSING AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS, UM, THEN WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE, UM, BECAUSE THAT, THAT COULD, THAT COULD PUT A NUMBER ON THE TABLE, UM, BUT NOT A LARGE NUMBER, BUT IT COULD PUT A NUMBER ON THE TABLE.
BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WE OWN, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UH, THE AREAS, UM, UH, NORTH OF, UM, WEST SEDONA HIGH SCHOOL OR WEST.
DID I SAY IT WRONG? WESTONA SCHOOL? WEST ELLA SCHOOL.
ELEMENTARY YOU MEAN? YEAH, ELEMENTARY.
A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, AGAIN, BECAUSE IT'S SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WE WOULD WANNA BE CONTEXT SENSITIVE, BUT THE ABILITY TO, TO PERHAPS PUT SOME HOUSING THERE, UM, NEXT TO A POOL, NEXT TO A SCHOOL, NEXT TO PLAY AREAS IN THE HUB, UM, YOU COULD DO SOME AMAZING THINGS THERE THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC FOR FAMILIES.
SO, BUT AGAIN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A LARGE NUMBER OF UNITS, UM, BUT IT HELPS US WITH THE NUMBER SO, YOU KNOW, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION AND DODGE IT AT BOTH THE SAME TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE PROPERTIES.
WE'RE LOOKING REALISTICALLY AT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES IN TERMS OF WHAT KIND OF CONTEXT.
AND I WILL SAY BEFORE WE WOULD COME OUT WITH A NUMBER, WE WOULD VISIT THOSE COMMUNITIES AND HAVE A CONVERSATION, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S FIRST AND FOREMOST THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE IS THAT WHEN WE GO INTO AN AREA THAT'S ADJACENT TO NEIGHBORHOODS, WE NEED TO BE WORKING WITH THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS IF IT'S OUR PROPERTY, UM, TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S A SOLUTION THAT EVERYBODY CAN BE OKAY WITH.
AND, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY POINT, IS THAT THE MAP YOU NEED TO HAVE IN YOUR POCKET AND BE READY TO SHOW IS WHERE CITY OWNED PROPERTIES ARE.
WHERE YOU MIGHT PUT HOUSING SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHETHER IT'S IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH PEOPLE YEAH.
AND PEOPLE AREN'T SAYING, WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
IT, I THINK THAT THAT IS A CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER CONVERSATIONS YOU'RE HAVING THAT'S THAT'S ON YOU
THAT, THAT WE, BY PUBLIC HERE, I MEAN MM-HMM
SEDONA CURRENTLY OWNS, BECAUSE HOUSING COULD GO THERE.
THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I MEANT FOR THE MAP.
UM, SO HERE'S MY STUPID QUESTION.
UM, HOUSING AND FAMILIES DON'T, DON'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM ALL TOGETHER.
NO FAMILY'S COMING HERE JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A HOME THAT THEY CAN, THEY CAN ATTAIN.
THEY'RE COMING HERE BECAUSE THEY LIKE THE SCHOOLS FOR THEIR KIDS.
THEY'RE COMING HERE BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEIR KIDS HAVE THINGS TO DO, AND THEY HAVE THINGS TO DO IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE AGE APPROPRIATE ALONG THE WHOLE SPECTRUM.
UM, I THINK WE'RE DEFICIT IN SOME OF THESE, THESE AREAS IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND FOR US TO SPEAK SOLELY ABOUT ATTAINING ATTAINABLE HOUSING WITHOUT ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER ASPECTS OF WHAT MAKES A COMMUNITY INTERESTING FOR FAMILIES IS TO NOT GET FAMILIES.
AND SO I, I FEEL THERE'S ANOTHER SET OF CONVERSATIONS THAT HAS TO HAPPEN, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO DO A LITTLE BIT WITH THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, IS TO START GETTING WHAT DO YOU NEED AS A FAMILY TO BE HAPPY HERE? YEAH.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, I THINK WE'RE A LONG WAY AWAY FROM KNOWING WHAT ALL THOSE ANSWERS ARE AND WHERE OUR GAPS ARE AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND FILL THOSE GAPS.
AND, AND I THINK BUILDING HOUSING, BUT NOT HAVING FAMILIES COME, UM, DEFEATS THE PURPOSE.
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TO BE WORKING BOTH OF THOSE LINES, I THINK, SIMULTANEOUSLY.AND I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING YOU IS, DO YOU SEE THAT AS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? OR ARE YOU ONLY FOCUSING SOLELY ON THE HOUSING ELEMENT? NO, THE HOUSING IS THE FIRST STEP.
PARTICULARLY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FAMILIES OR IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TARGETED AUDIENCES, THEN WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT AGAIN, THERE'S A REASON THEY'RE NOT HERE.
UM, SO IT ASKS THE QUESTION, AND I LOVED THE CONVERSATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME OF THE PROGRAM DISCUSSIONS, SOME OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT PEOPLE WERE, WERE DISCUSSING IN TERMS OF WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE US HAPPY HERE? UM, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT GUIDEPOST, BUT WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT PROGRAMMING.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF ADDITIONAL ECONOMIC DIVERSITY, UH, IN, IN OUR COMMUNITY IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, UM, SO THAT PEOPLE THAT COME IN WITH SPOUSES HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR, UH, TO FULLY GAINFULLY EMPLOYED, UM, INDIVIDUALS.
UM, SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WE, I, I MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS, BUT WHEN WE TOOK OUR STAFF ON A WALKING TOUR OF, UH, OF UPTOWN, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE NOTICED IS THAT, YOU KNOW, BY AND LARGE IT'S PEOPLE SHOPPING, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS GOING ON THERE.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE EAT, PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WILL, WE'LL MOVE ABOUT, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR MUSIC.
YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T SEE ARTISTS, YOU KNOW, AT STATIONS.
I DIDN'T SEE THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS THAT ACTUALLY CREATE AN ENGAGING PLACE THAT MAKES IT NOT ONLY INTERESTING TO YOUR TOURISTS, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE FOUR BLOCKS AWAY.
UM, SO HOW DO WE START TO LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS THAT THEN MAKE SEDONA, UM, INVITING TO BOTH THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE NOW AND THE ONES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT.
SO IT'S THAT WHOLE GAMUT OF UNDERSTANDING THAT HOUSING IS JUST A FIRST STEP.
AND, AND ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A 10 YEAR PROGRAM FOR 775 UNITS, RIGHT.
220, 1 OF WHICH ARE, ARE ON THEIR WAY.
UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD ALL OF THESE OVERNIGHT, NOR SHOULD WE, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME OTHER WORK TO DO.
SO, UM, BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOME OF THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, ALONGSIDE THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS MORNING THERE WAS THE SECOND CONVERSATION ABOUT TOURISM MM-HMM
AND I WAS AT A TABLE ABOUT COMMUNITY.
AND DURING THAT CONVERSATION THERE WAS A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO WERE YOUNG AND WHO HAVE CHILDREN, AND THEY WERE NOT NECESSARILY AT THE MEETING FOR THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, BUT THEY HAD A LOT TO SAY ABOUT WHAT IT'S LIKE RAISING CHILDREN IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT I WISH EVERYBODY COULD LISTEN TO.
'CAUSE IT WAS EYEOPENING TO ME.
AND, UH, AND THEN I, AFTER THAT, I TALKED TO ONE OF OUR STAFF PEOPLE WHO HAS CHILDREN MM-HMM
TO SAY, IS THAT YOUR EXPERIENCE AS WELL? AND THAT PERSON SAID YES.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT, HONESTLY.
NO, I, I THINK YOU'RE, I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON, UM, FROM BOTH THE CULTURE OF THE COMMUNITY BEING WELCOMING TO FAMILIES.
UM, YOU, I KNOW WE'VE HEARD, HEARD AND HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS, UM, HAVING THE PROGRAMS, HAVING THE OPPORTUNITIES.
WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
UM, BECAUSE IT DOES COME DOWN TO WHAT, WHAT KIND OF SEDONA ARE WE AS A COMMUNITY AT THE END? PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR.
YEAH, THANKS TONY, FOR THIS WORK.
THIS IS REALLY, IS MEETING A LOT OF MY EXPECTATIONS ABOUT WHAT, HOW WE START TO CHEW THIS THING A BITE AT A TIME.
LET ME ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
SO A 10 YEAR STRATEGY, YOU'VE GOT SOME GOALS HERE YEAR.
ARE YOU PLANNING TO, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO PROVIDE A MORE DETAILED EFFORT PLAN, YEARLY BREAKDOWN OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA FOCUS IN OVER TIME? AND WHEN DO WE GET TO SEE THAT? AND WHAT I'VE GOT IN MY MIND IS OUR GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION GOAL, WHICH WAS A BIG GOAL, LAID OUT YEARS IN ADVANCE, BUT THERE WASN'T REALLY A PLAN OF HOW WE GET THERE FROM ZERO TO THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, YEAR SEVEN COMES AROUND AND WE START TO PANIC THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE GETTING THERE.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR HOW WE THINK ABOUT THIS IN A MORE DETAILED YEAR? AND I RECOGNIZE FULLY YOU'LL PUT A PLAN TOGETHER, AND THEN OTHER THINGS WILL POP IN, JUST LIKE TO TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
NO, THIS IS, SO, I, I LOVE ACTION ORIENTED PLANS.
I LOVE A BUCKET LIST, RIGHT? A BUCKET LIST OF ACHIEVABLE TYPES OF THINGS.
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STANDPOINT, WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET FROM LOGAN SIMPSON IS GOING TO BE A SERIES OF TARGETED STRATEGIES OR STRATEGIES DESIGNED TO MEET THOSE TARGETS THAT WE HAD APPLIED EARLIER, RIGHT FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE THAT AS DEEPLY AS WE CAN.UM, WITH THE LOGAN SIMPSON TEAM.
BEYOND THAT, WE'RE GONNA BUILD A WORK PLAN SO THAT WE HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC TARGETED LIST OF THINGS TO DO.
UM, BECAUSE FOR US, THE EXACT SAME THING.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN YEAR SEVEN ON A TARGET AND SAY, WELL, WE WERE HOPING TO REDUCE COMMUTERS BY 10%, UM, BUT WE'VE GOT TWO YEARS LEFT AND WE'VE MANAGED ONE.
SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT.
AND WE WANT TO BE IN A POSITION THAT EVERY YEAR YOU CAN, YOU CAN ASK THE QUESTION, WHERE ARE WE, HOW ARE WE DOING? AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION EFFECTIVELY, YOU KNOW, BOTH THE CELEBRATIONS AND THE SAD PARTS WHERE WE HAVE TO COME IN AND SAY, EH, NOT AS GOOD AS WE WANT TO BE.
UM, BUT THEN THAT'S ON US TO FIND A DIFFERENT SOLUTION.
AND WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME OF THAT WORK WITH LOGAN SIMPSON? SO THE LOGAN SIMPSON WORK IS GONNA BE DONE IN AUGUST, UM, WILL BE COMPLETE IN AUGUST.
AND, UM, THE THINGS THAT, AND WE'LL AS, AS, AS I MENTIONED, WE'LL MAKE THAT AS ACTIONABLE AS POSSIBLE WITH THE CONSULTANT TEAM.
BUT, UM, BEYOND THAT, FROM AUGUST ON FOR THAT NEXT MONTH OR SO WOULD BE LAURA AND I, UM, HUDDLED AROUND THE DOCUMENT COMING UP WITH ANY ACTIONS THAT, THAT NEED TO BE MORE, UM, TASK FOCUSED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
WHAT ARE THEIR DELIVERABLES? SO THEIR DELIVERABLE IS GOING TO BE WHAT ULTIMATELY IS THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY.
SO WHAT THEY WILL BE PROVIDING US, UM, KICKS OFF WITH THE, UM, WITH THE HOUSING THINK TANK AND THE BEGINNING DISCUSSION OF WHAT SOLUTIONS LOOKS LIKE.
THEN THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THOSE AND, UM, AND REALITY CHECK AND, AND TURN THOSE INTO VERY SPECIFIC STRATEGIES, UM, BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE'VE PROVIDED THEM.
AND WE DID THAT ON, WE DID THAT THIS WAY ON PURPOSE BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL THE FRONT END AND BE ABLE TO TELL THE STORY ON THE FRONT END.
UM, IT'S UP TO THEM TO THEN FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THAT TURN INTO REALITY, HOW THAT BECOMES SOLUTIONS.
SO THEY WILL BE GIVING US A SERIES OF VERY TARGETED STRATEGIES THAT WE CAN THEN LOOK AT.
AND IF IT'S NOT DETAILED ENOUGH FOR US, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE THEM AS FAR AS THEY'RE WILLING TO GO, UH, WITH IT.
AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT THAT NEXT STEP FURTHER.
DEREK, OH, I, OH, YOU'RE NOT DONE.
I WAS, UH, REASSURED TO SEE ROGER EASTMAN AND SITTING IN THE BACK NODDING HIS HEAD IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT THE, THE GOALS AND THE DELIVERABLE GOALS WILL BE.
I WANTED, UH, TO GO BACK TO THE FINANCING ELEMENT THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT AND A LOT, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY HEAR THAT, THEY THINK ABOUT THAT THIS IS THE CITY GIVING MONEY, BUT IN THE STRONG TOWNS CNU COMMUNITY THESE DAYS, VERY STRONG ELEMENTS OF CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW YOU GET ATTAINABLE HOUSING TALKS ABOUT, UH, ESPECIALLY IN SMALL RURAL CITIES, WHEN YOU'RE NOT DOING FIVE OR SIX OVER PODIUM, EASILY COMMERCIALLY FINANCEABLE THAT THERE IS THERE, WHAT IS THERE AND WHAT ROLE CAN THE CITY PLAY IN BEING A FINANCING PARTNER? NOT GIVING MONEY AWAY, BUT INVESTING IN IT OVER TIME? WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ABOUT THAT FOR US MOVING FORWARD? NO, SO ABSOLUTELY FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WE LOOK AT IT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
ONE, THE FIRST MEASURABLE IS WHAT YOU GET AS A RETURN ON INVESTMENT AS A COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS FROM A BALANCED PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO HAVE YOUR SCHOOLS OPERATING AT A HUNDRED PERCENT CAPACITY? AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT GREW UP HERE CONTINUING TO COME BACK HERE, UM, AND PROVIDE INPUT INTO THE COMMUNITY? YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO HAVE DAILY SERVICES BUSINESSES THRIVING? UM, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO HAVE YOUR HEALTHCARE SITUATION LOCATED LOCALLY TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU CAN AS OPPOSED TO DRIVING TO FLAGSTAFF? SO WE LOOK AT THOSE TYPES OF VARIABLES, THOSE QUALITY OF LIFE WINS THAT ULTIMATELY AS, AS KIND OF THAT FIRST TIER.
UM, THE SECOND TIER IS, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS EVERY BIT OF THIS IS AN ECONOMIC INVESTMENT.
YOU KNOW, WE IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA HAVE VERY LIMITED TOOLS THAT WE CAN APPLY TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
BUT EVERY ONE OF THESE ELEMENTS, WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD A HOLISTIC COMMUNITY, WE ARE INVESTING IN THE LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY, THE ECONOMIC SUSTAINABILITY OF THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, WE ARE BUILDING THE NEXT SERIES
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OF ENTREPRENEURS.YOU ARE BRINGING IN THE NEXT SERIES OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE THAT, THAT, UM, THAT SERVICE MANAGER AT THE HOTEL OR UM, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER, THE POTENTIAL NEW DOCTOR THAT COMES IN.
YOU KNOW, I WAS TALKING TO A COUPLE OF LOCAL DOCTORS AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT IS THE NUMBER OF THEM THAT ARE RETIRING OUT OR LEAVING, UM, AND THAT THEY CAN'T FIND SOMEONE TO TAKE OVER THEIR PRACTICE THAT ISN'T THREE YEARS YOUNGER THAN THEM.
SO, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MAKE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN? YEP.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL WELL SAID.
I THINK PARTICULARLY IN MY MIND, AND I'M GONNA BLOCK OUT LOOKING AT KURT WHEN I HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU
AND A VERY FORTUNATE COMMUNITY THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO THINK ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
AND THE CONVERSATION I'M HEARING IN THE NEW URBANISM MOVEMENT IS THAT THERE REALLY NEEDS TO BE A ROLE FOR CITIES TO STEP INTO THIS SPACE THAT ISN'T THE TRADITIONAL FIVE OVER PODIUM EASILY COMMERCIAL.
WELL, NOT SO EASY THESE DAYS, BUT COMMERCIAL FINANCING IS TOUGH FOR PROJECTS OF THE SCALE THAT WE ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT HERE TO GET TO 7 75.
YEAH, NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
BECAUSE THE MORE, I MEAN, SO TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THESE PROJECTS TRULY, TRULY PENCIL ON THEIR OWN YEAH.
YOU NEED TO BUILD 5, 6, 7 STORIES, UM, BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU CAN FULLY MONETIZE IT.
RIGHT? UM, WHAT IS THE COST OF COMMUNITY CHARACTER? UM, SO IT'S, UH, SO LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, THERE IS A LEVEL OF ADDITIONAL FINANCE THAT WILL COME IN TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND KEEP THINGS AT TWO STORIES.
UM, TWO AND A HALF MAYBE IF WE GET AWAY WITH IT.
UM, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE OF ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WE WANT TO SPUR DEVELOPMENT, THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS FOR 89 A FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF, OF COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND ALMOST AS LONG AS I HAVE.
UM, SO IN THAT REGARDS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW MUCH LONGER BEFORE THAT HAS TO BECOME SOMETHING NEW AND WHAT'S THE TRIGGER? YEP.
AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO COMMUNITY LONG-TERM INVESTMENT? YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF WHAT'S IN OUR WORLD WE CALL PATIENT MONEY.
UM, WE ARE NOT A BANKER, WE DON'T EXPECT A CERTAIN RETURN ON INVESTMENT WITHIN THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
UM, WE, WE THINK FOR THE LONG GAME AS A COMMUNITY YEP.
SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A FINANCIAL STACK FOR A, UM, FOR A DEVELOPER, THEN HAVING SOME OF THAT PATIENT MONEY COMING IN AND FILL THAT GAP DOES TWO THINGS.
ONE, IT STABILIZES THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT A BANK IS WILLING TO PROVIDE, UM, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE CITY COMING IN AND OFFERING, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT FRIENDLY AMOUNT THAT THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE THE SAME TYPE OF, OF RECOURSE THAT A SECONDARY LENDER OR SUCH, UM, WOULD EXPECT TO HAVE.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU START TO BE ABLE TO SEE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS REALLY HAPPEN.
UM, BECAUSE OF OUR ABILITY, YOU KNOW, BEING A LANDOWNER FOR EXAMPLE, THAT TAKES A CERTAIN COST OFF THE TABLE THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO THAT CAPITAL STACK OTHERWISE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE MAKE THE IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE FINANCIALLY, IS WE WORK WITH THAT DEVELOPER AND THEY TELL US, YOU KNOW, WE WORK WITH THEM AND SEE THEIR PRO FORMA AND SEE WHERE THEIR GAPS ARE AND WHERE WE CAN HELP WITH MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, CAPITAL STACK WHOLE.
I THINK THAT'S ALL REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO THINK TRUE AND ENGAGE WITH AS WE THINK ABOUT HOW TO GET TO THOSE TARGETS.
RELATED TO THAT IS ALSO, I THINK, A NEW CULTURE OF WORKING WITH OUR SMALL LOCAL DEVELOPERS AND TO TAKING ON THESE PROJECTS AND HAVING A PARTNERSHIP ATTITUDE WITH THEM.
THAT IT'S NOT JUST THROW YOUR PLANS AT US AND WE'RE GONNA THROW BACK FEEDBACK TO YOU, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVE A DIFFERENT ATTITUDE AND A DIFFERENT PROCESS OF FACILITATING PROJECTS THAT ACHIEVE THESE GOALS MOVING FORWARD.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT AND I THINK IT ADDS THAT, THAT, UM, UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA HAD BROUGHT UP EARLIER THAT OTHER NOTION WHEN THE CITY GETS INVOLVED, THAT ALSO GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BECOME A LITTLE BIT MORE ENGAGED IN A PRODUCT IN ADVANCE OF IT.
SO WE'RE NOT BRINGING SOMETHING TO A COMMUNITY THAT SEES IT AT THE BACK END THAT THEY NOW HAVE TO, TO FIGHT,
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THEY GET TO BE A PART OF IN ADVANCE.AND SO THAT CAN OFTEN PLAY A ROLE IN HELPING BUILD COMMUNITY SUPPORT IS AT THE FRONT.
LET'S ALL HAVE A CONVERSATION.
ALRIGHT, THE LAST THING I WANTED TO ASK IS A REQUEST REALLY TO LUKE SEFTON IN THE AUDIENCE.
I HOPE THAT YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC.
I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT POSSIBILITIES AND WHERE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, IN THE SCOPE OF 10 YEARS OF TAKING ON SOME OF THAT.
I SUSPECT THAT YOU'VE GIVEN THAT A LOT OF THOUGHT OVER TIME TOO.
SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE.
SO IF YOU WANNA FILL OUT CARDS, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
I, I WANTED TO, BEFORE GOING TO DEREK, THE LDC, NOW THAT'S A MAJOR UNDERTAKING.
IS THERE A WAY TO TO, TO TAKE SOME LOW HANGING FRUIT BEFORE WE DO THIS COMPLETE REVISION? 'CAUSE THAT'S LIKE A YEAR OR, OR MORE, RIGHT? 'CAUSE TO GO OUT TO BID AND ALL THAT.
UH, BECAUSE THAT, THOSE ARE POTENTIALLY ANOTHER SET OF OBSTACLES TO ACHIEVING SOME OF THE GOALS THAT WE WANT.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE MET THE ENEMY AND IT IS US
SO HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT HOW THAT LINES UP, YOU KNOW, FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE? IT DOES.
AND, AND, UM, TO BE DIRECT, THERE ARE TWO WAYS WE CAN, WE CAN IMPLEMENT THAT.
I MEAN, THE FIRST AND PROBABLY THE EASIEST OF THE LOW HANGING FRUIT IS PROCESSES.
YOU KNOW, HOW WE ADMINISTER A PROJECT, HOW A PROJECT MOVES THROUGH THE PROCESS.
DOES IT NEED TO TAKE TWO MONTHS TO GET THROUGH OR CAN WE DO IT IN TWO WEEKS? AGAIN, I'M NOT, I JUST MADE THOSE NUMBERS UP
UM, BUT CAN WE ACCELERATE THE PROCESS? BECAUSE IN THE DEVELOPMENT WORLD, TIME IS MONEY AND SO BEING ABLE TO MOVE A PROJECT AT A FASTER PACE, UM, IS, IS CERTAINLY ONE WAY THAT WE CAN HAVE AN IMPACT.
SO LOOKING AT OUR BARRIERS ADMINISTRATIVELY, UM, AND WORKING TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S NIPPING AT THE MARGINS BECAUSE OUR STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA SAY THEY DON'T.
UM, BUT CAN WE IMPROVE THE PROCESSES AND DO IT IN A WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY, I SEE A DIFFERENCE.
BUT STEP TWO IS TAKING A LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT ARE QUICK FIXES ALONG THE WAY.
CAN WE DO SOME THINGS THAT WE KNOW ARE GONNA STAY IN THE CODE? UM, AND CAN WE JUST GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THOSE MIDTERM, UM, IN TWO TO THREE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD AS OPPOSED TO WAITING TO A YEAR TO YEAR AND A HALF TO MAKE 'EM HAPPEN? YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.
DEREK, SO I THOUGHT THIS WAS ALL SETTLED, BUT I UNDERSTAND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES DONE IN THE VOC ON THEIR SHORT-TERM RENTAL RESTRICTIONS BEING DECLARED INVALID, OR MAYBE THEY FINALLY JUST CONCEDED THAT THEY'RE INVALID.
UM, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT THESE NUMBERS? YEP, ABSOLUTELY.
AND, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO LOSE SOME, ARE WE GONNA LOSE SOME MORE LONG-TERM RENTALS THAT ARE BEING OCCUPIED BY WORKERS OR ARE WE, OR IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO PULL MORE PEOPLE INTO THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM? HEY, THERE'S ABOUT TO BE A WHOLE, WHOLE LOT MORE SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON THE MARKET.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOW'S A GOOD TIME TO THINK ABOUT HOW MANY OF YOU THOUGHT THIS STUFF THROUGH.
UM, IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, BOTH OF THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA HAPPEN.
YOU'LL NOTICE IN IN OUR NUMBERS, WE DON'T TRY TO PROJECT HOW MANY UNITS WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOSE TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
I TRIED AND, AND I WALKED AWAY VERY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I COULDN'T COME UP WITH A PROPER FORMULA BECAUSE THE NUMBER IS A MOVING NUMBER.
UM, THE OTHER SIDE TO THAT IS THE CHANGES THAT WE ARE SEEING HAPPENING, UM, IN THE SHORT TERM RENTAL INDUSTRY, IF YOU WILL.
UM, AND THAT MOVE, AND WE, WE'VE SEEN IT IN THE NUMBERS WHERE, UH, THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WERE SHORT TERM RENTALS HAS ACTUALLY DECREASED, UH, FROM 2020.
UM, WHERE WE SEE THE SHARP INCREASES ARE IN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND EVEN THERE WE'RE SEEING A CHANGE TO THE LARGER, THE LARGER UNIT AS THE LARGEST UNIT POSSIBLE, CAN WE GO FROM THREE BEDROOMS TO SEVEN TO EIGHT TO NINE AND START TO BUILD AN INTERNAL EXPERIENCE, UM, VERSUS A PLACE TO STAY WHILE WE VISIT THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE'RE SEEING A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CHANGES.
AND SO HOW THAT IMPACTS THIS IS, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE ARE SEEING, WE SEE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO BE ABLE TO RAMP UP THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM.
WE ALSO SEE THE POSSIBILITY THAT WE'RE GONNA LOSE SOME THINGS.
UM, IF WE LOOK AT IT THE WAY THE TRENDS ARE HEADED NOW, THE ONES WE'RE GONNA LOSE ARE ACTUALLY GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER AND MAY NOT NECESSARILY, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN AT THE TOP OF THE ATTAINABILITY CHART, UM, TO BEGIN WITH.
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IF I'M CRYSTAL BALLING IT AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY I SEE THINGS, WILL IT IMPACT US? YES.BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA IMPACT IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS HOW THAT PLAYS OUT COMPLETELY.
I DON'T KNOW YET, BUT I THINK THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US THERE.
HOW MUCH OF WE MONEY HAVE WE SET ASIDE FOR THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM? WHAT'S THE, DO WE HAVE A LIMIT? DO WE HAVE A A, IS IT 15,000? OKAY, IT'S TWO 50, WHATEVER IT IS.
WHERE I'M HEADED WITH THAT IS MAYBE BE TALKING TO SOME PEOPLE ABOUT, HEY, GET IN ON IT WHILE YOU STILL CAN.
UM, BECAUSE IF IT DOES, YOU KNOW, IF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE VLCA FURTHER SATURATE THE MARKET AND MORE PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO RENT LOCAL, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET INTO THE PROGRAM.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE'LL NEVER APPROACH THE CAT, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT THAT WE'VE SET ASIDE FOR THAT, BUT AT SOME POINT I ASSUME THERE'S, WE'RE GONNA RUN OUTTA MONEY FOR THE WHAT'S BEEN PUT INTO THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM.
AND I THINK WE CAN ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME INTO IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
I I THINK WE'RE ABSOLUTELY AT THE POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY OVER A, A PERIOD OF TIME TO, TO, UM, TO RUN OUT OF RESOURCES THERE.
BUT I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TWEAK ON OUR EXISTING RENT LOCAL PROGRAM THAT, UM, FROM TALKING TO OTHERS THAT HAVE CHOSEN THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM AND WHY THEY DID, AND THE BARRIERS THEY'RE FACING TO STAY ON THE PROGRAM, UM, WE THINK THERE'S WAYS TO RETOOL IT SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO KEEP, SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO, TO CAPTURE SOME OF THOSE THAT COULD EASILY SLEEP, SLIDE BACK INTO SHORT TERM RENTAL AND MAYBE CAPTURE SOME NEW ONES.
AND THEN A, A SUGGESTION, SINCE YOU MENTIONED PROPERTY OVER BY WEST SEDONA, UM, THERE IS A SOLAR FIELD OVER BY THE HIGH SCHOOL THAT I THINK IS NEARING THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE.
UH, THAT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THAT PROPERTY.
UH, SOLAR FIELDS TAKE UP A LOT OF LAND, UH, BUT I THINK THAT THING IS EITHER ENDING, YOU KNOW, NEAR THE END OF ITS LIFE OR JUST REALLY ISN'T SERVING ANY PURPOSE AT THIS POINT.
SO THAT MAY BE A CONVERSATION WORTH HAVING.
WOULD LOVE TO, PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR TONY, I LEFT OUT ONE QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK, BUT JUST WHAT HAVE YOU CHECKED IN WITH THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, ARIZONA WATER A PS PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT TRAFFIC FIRE, JUST THINKING THROUGH THE IMPACTS OF 7 75 UNITS IN OUR TOWN OVER 10 YEARS.
I, I NOT I, I'M, I'M CERTAIN YOU HAVEN'T HAD DETAILED CONVERSATIONS, BUT HAVE YOU TAKEN THEIR TEMPERATURE ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS? ARE WE MISSING ANY SIGNIFICANT OTHER INVESTMENT THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO MAKE? NO, AND I'LL BE VERY CANDID, WE HAVE NOT HAD DIRECT CONVERSATIONS, UM, WITH THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AS MUCH AS TO TRY TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE LEVEL OF IMPACT WE WOULD HAVE.
AND THAT, THAT DEFINITELY CAME INTO, UH, CONSIDERATION WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT NUMBER WE THOUGHT OUR CAPACITIES WOULD BE AT.
BUT THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER PIECE OF THIS, PARTICULARLY AS WE START LOOKING AT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND DIFFERENT PROPERTIES BECAUSE EACH ONE IS GONNA HAVE ITS OWN INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES AND NEEDS.
UM, SO BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE, BEING ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT SOME OF THESE ARE GONNA BE IN A HIGHER FIRE RISK AREA THAN OTHERS, AND HOW DO WE ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES, UM, ET CETERA.
SO IT'S GONNA BE ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS THAT WE STILL NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATION.
WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT REASONABLY BE AT LEAST AT INITIAL CONVERSATION, A TASK THAT LOGAN SIMPSON WOULD BE DOING IN THE DETAILED PLAN TO KNOW THAT THERE'S PLANNED CAPACITY TO SERVICE? SO WE'LL BE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION AS A PART OF THE PROCESS? IT'S, OR, OR AS PART OF THIS PRODUCT? IT'S A QUESTION OF WHICH ONE OF US TAKES IT ON, BUT, UH, BUT YES, EITHER LO LOGAN SIMPSON OR OURSELVES WILL BE HAVING SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
TONY, IS THE LAND TRUST PART OF YOUR THINKING? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, THERE, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS THEN GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION OF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND SOME OF THE RECENT VERDICTS AND WHAT THAT MEANS.
UM, YOU OWN THE PROPERTY, YOU HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OVER WHETHER SHORT TERM RENTALS CAN OR CANNOT HAPPEN.
IF A LAND TRUST HAS THE PROPERTY, THEY HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OVER WHETHER SHORT TERM RENTALS, WE DO NOT HAVE TO, TO WORRY ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA STAND ATTEST IN COURT.
UM, SO WE ARE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A VARIETY OF THOSE TOOLS THAT CAN HELP US.
AGAIN, WE'RE NOT SAYING SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE EVIL, BUT WE HAVE TO ALSO PROTECT OUR CONTEXT AND CHARACTER OF COMMUNITY.
SO THESE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR OWNERSHIP PARTNERS LIKE THE LAND TRUST THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP US IN THAT AVENUE AS WELL.
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OKAY.YOU READY TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC? OKAY.
CAN WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? FIRST CARD'S FOR LINDA MARTINEZ.
CAN WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? NEVERMIND TAKING A FIVE MINUTE BREAK FOR A BREAK.
YOU WANT? OKAY, WE'RE TAKING A BREAK.
LINDA MARTINEZ FOLLOWED BY LUKE SEFTON AND THEN MARK JACOBSON.
LINDA, I'M SORRY I CUT YOU OFF.
I JUST WAS NOT GONNA MAKE IT THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WANTED TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY.
SO
AND I REALLY THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL IDEA THAT IT WAS PURCHASED FOR HOUSING.
NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IF WE'RE TALKING 50 UNITS, THAT'S NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING.
SO LET'S LOOK AT IT WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED IN THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS BEFORE YOU ALL TOOK IT OVER.
AND THAT WAS COMMUNITY AMENITIES, A SMALLER ENTERTAINMENT VENUE SPACE, MAYBE FOR A REC CENTER DOWN THE ROAD AND HOUSING.
TELL, DIG WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
SO I WANTED TO ALSO TELL YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS, AND THAT IS, UM, THAT PLEASE KEEP THAT 7 75 IN THE SEDONA BOUNDARIES.
I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE PEOPLE WHO WANNA PUSH IT OUT TO THE DELLS.
THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE CONVERSATION.
SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT IT'S IN SEDONA.
THAT'S A LOT OF WORK THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO THIS.
UM, IN TERMS OF HAP I LOVE THE QUESTION, WHAT DO FAMILIES NEED TO BE HAPPY? IT'S EXACTLY WHAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
THAT PROCESS DID NOT HAPPEN WITH THE SURVEY.
IT'S NOT HARD TO ASK PARENTS WHAT THEY NEED TO BE HAPPY.
UM, MAYOR, YOU HAD SOMEBODY TELL YOU, WE JUST HAVE TO MEET THEM WHERE THEY ARE.
GO TO THE SCHOOLS, INVITE THEM IN FOR FOCUS GROUPS, THEY WILL TELL YOU.
AND I SAW A CHILD ON A BIKE THE OTHER DAY.
I WANTED TO GET OUT AND HUG THEM BECAUSE I JUST ARE NOT SEEING THAT MANY CHILDREN THAT ARE NOT VISITORS THAT ARE OUT AND ABOUT.
UM, I, OH, ALSO FOR, IN TERMS OF RENT LOCAL PROGRAMS, VAIL HAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM THAT YOU MIGHT KNOW.
THEY INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY INTO IT.
THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF HUNDRED UNITS THAT THEY GOT BACK, UM, ON THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM.
AND I TOO WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS BECAUSE THE 7 75 DOES NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION HOW MANY MORE WE'RE GOING TO LOSE.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LEGISLATURE IS UP TO.
AND I GUESS WE JUST HAVE TO GO FORWARD.
LUKE SEPTIN SEDONA, UM, ON COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT, I OWN THREE PROPERTIES ON THE HIGHWAY.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CODE, IT REALLY DOES NOT ENCOURAGE REDEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, IF YOU CHANGE A LIGHT BULB, YOU HAVE TO COMPLY.
YOU KNOW, I REMODELED THE INSIDE OF MY OFFICE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I HAD TO GO OUT AND FIGURE OUT HOW I WAS GOING TO GET PARKING ON MY, ON MY PROPERTY, AND NOT ON THE CITY STREET WHERE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, YOU KNOW? SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT COME UP THAT THE, THAT THE CODE DOESN'T REALLY ENCOURAGE IT THAT MUCH.
SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I LIKE MY BUILDING.
I LIKE THE LUCK OF THEM, BUT THEY'RE 50 YEARS OLD.
UM, THEY'RE HELD TOGETHER BY PAINT MOSTLY, BUT, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I, IF I GO TO REDEVELOP IT, I PROBABLY LOSE TWO THIRDS OF MY FLOOR SPACE.
AND THAT'S EVEN WITH TWO STORIES.
SO, YOU KNOW, PARKING PLAYS A BIG PART IN OPEN SPACE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THE CODE DOESN'T REALLY ENCOURAGE THAT.
AND I'M, AND TONY, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, YEAH, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, IF THAT HELPS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, THE LEADERSHIP HERE, WE'VE ALL BEEN IN THE MEETINGS AND STUFF, YOU NEED TO GET THAT TO GET NOT ONLY THE STAFF ON BOARD TO HAVE YOUR STAFF, YOU KNOW, YOUR ENGINEERS AND YOUR, UM, PLANNERS AND EVERYBODY ELSE TO SIT THERE AND LOOK AND SAY, OKAY, HOW, HOW DO WE GET THIS PROJECT THROUGH WITHOUT MAKING IT MORE
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EXPENSIVE? YOU KNOW, I AM GOING TO CAMP VERDE TOMORROW, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT MAKING, UH, DEVELOPMENTS GET ASSURED WATER, UM, ASSURANCE, EVEN THOUGH THE TOWN HAS IT, THAT'S AN $80,000 BILL.IT USED TO BE $5,000, BUT A DWR WENT THROUGH AND SAID, OH, WE WANT THIS BIG MODEL THAT IS VERY EXPENSIVE TO OPERATE.
AND SO THERE'S LIMITED PEOPLE YOU CAN GO TO, AND IT JUST, THEY GET THE MONEY FOR THAT.
SO, SO WHAT WE HAVE TO REALIZE, NOT ONLY WE ALL HAVE TO BE PART OF THIS SOLUTION, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE TO GIVE A PART.
AND THAT'S WHY I TRY TO HELP WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT EVENTS.
UM, AND KATHY, YOU AND I HAVE HAD, I'M SORRY, COUNSEL, COUNSEL CONCEAL.
UM, YOU AND I HAVE HAD SOME REALLY DEEP CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT, AND YOU BROUGHT UP ALL THOSE ISSUES AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, UM, HOW DO WE GET THE PEOPLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU'RE GONNA, UM, WORRY ABOUT WATER AND ALL THAT, LET'S NOT DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A REASONABLE DISCUSSION.
THAT'S PART OF APPRO THIS PROJECT.
UM, THE OTHER THING, COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, YOU KNOW, LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS GETS THE 80, 60% BELOW.
YOU KNOW, YOU GOT OTHER HUD HELPED OR HUD HELPS THAT, BUT THAT'S MARKET RATE.
YOU GOT, UM, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT PROGRAM BECAUSE IT GETS SWEAT EQUITY AND PEOPLE BILL.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOU GET A COMMUNITY, UM, A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST.
AND WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE THAT $20 MILLION, LET'S SAY FOR EASY NUMBERS, I'M SORRY, I, BUT FOR $20 MILLION, YOU GO OUT AND YOU BUY 20 HOMES.
YOU PUT THE LAND IN A TRUST AND YOU SELL THE HOUSE AT A REDUCED RATE TO THEM.
SO THEY'RE ONLY PAYING TWO THIRDS OF WHAT IT WOULD COST.
SO THE FAMILY ONLY HAS TO COME UP 300.
AND THEN LIKE WITH HABITAT, THERE'S OTHER PROGRAMS THAT PEOPLE CAN, THAT ARE THERE TO HELP PEOPLE WITH DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.
SO YOU'RE NOT, SO NOW THEY'RE BUILDING AN EQUITY AND THAT FAMILY IS INTEGRATED IN THE COMMUNITY, AND YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT, OH, THAT'S A AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT THERE, OR, THAT'S A PROJECT THERE.
THESE ARE FAMILIES THAT ARE IN THE COMMUNITY NEXT TO EVERYBODY ELSE, AND THEY'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY HELPS TO GROW YOUR COMMUNITY AND MAKE IT MORE ACTIVE IN GROWTH.
LUKE, MARK, AND THEN RICHARD CAPPEL, MARK JACOBSON, UH, LONGTIME SEDONA RESIDENT BUSINESS OWNER.
UH, I MOVED HERE TO SEDONA 33 YEARS AGO IN 1992.
I USED TO HAVE A CORPORATE JOB, BIG CITY, AND I WAS GETTING TIRED OF THE CORPORATE THING.
AND I, I HAD LITTLE KIDS THERE WERE KINDERGARTEN AGE, AND I DIDN'T WANT TO RAISE THEM IN THE BIG CITY.
SO I FOUND SEDONA AND WHAT A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY.
SO WE MOVED HERE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I WORKED A JOB WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE, BUT I REALIZED THAT, UM, A JOB WASN'T GONNA CUT IT.
I TOOK A 30% PAY CUT MOVING HERE FROM MY WAGES IN, IN THE BIG CITY, RIGHT? AND, UM, SO, AND SHORTLY AFTER THAT, I GOT DIVORCED AND BECAME A SINGLE PARENT OF THREE CHILDREN.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I WORKED MY, MY A YEAR AT MY REAL JOB AND, UH, QUIT TO GO ON OUT ON MY OWN.
AND, UM, MY KIDS, MY KIDS, UH, STARTED SCHOOL WHEN BREWER ROAD WAS A SCHOOL.
THEY WENT THERE FOR TWO YEARS BEFORE THEY CLOSED THE SCHOOL, THEN THEY WENT TO WEST SEDONA AND THEN ON TO HIGH SCHOOL.
THEY, YOU KNOW, DID THEIR EDUCATION HERE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
I MEAN, BACK THEN YOU COULD FIND A REASONABLY PRICED RENTAL HOME.
UH, THERE WERE A SLEW OF 'EM ON THE MARKET TO CHOOSE FROM.
AND, UM, THE SCHOOLS, I MEAN, INITIALLY THERE WERE NOT SO MANY FAMILIES, BUT THAT GREW OVER TIME.
AND BY THE TIME THEY WERE IN HIGH SCHOOL, UM, YOU KNOW, RED ROCK HIGH WAS ROCKING IT.
THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ENROLLMENT WAS, BUT IT WAS AT THEIR PEAK.
UM, AND THAT'S BACK WHEN THEY REDID THE FOOTBALL FIELD AND THEY PUT IN THE SOLAR, SOLAR PANELS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT WAS A VERY VIBRANT ACTIVE SCHOOL.
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NOW, TODAY, WE'VE LOST ABOUT HALF, HALF, HALF THE ENROLLMENTS, RIGHT? AND, UM, REAL ESTATE PRICES ARE UP.SO I DID GO TO THAT LAST WORKSHOP AT THE HUB, AND, UH, I, I STUDIED ALL THE, YOUR REPORT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T REALLY LOOK AT IT TOO CLOSELY AT THE, AT THE HUB.
I LOOKED AT THE LAST TWO PAGES, RIGHT? AND WHEN I WALKED IN THERE, I ASKED ONE QUESTION, I, HOW MANY HOMES HAD BEEN TURNED INTO, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS? AND THAT NUMBER WAS 1218% OF OUR HOUSING INVENTORY.
AND I THINK THAT IF WE WANT TO RESTORE COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO SHOOT MORE TOWARDS 1200.
THANK YOU, MARK RICHARD, AND THEN CHERYL BARON.
UM, I'M SORRY I WASN'T HERE AN HOUR EARLIER.
SONY WASN'T ANY MEANT TO MISS YOUR FABULOUS REPORT, BUT WHAT I HEARD IN THE LAST, UM, 35, 45 MINUTES REALLY TOOK ME, UM, TO ANOTHER PLACE.
AND WHAT IT TOOK ME TO IS A PLACE OF, THERE'S A LOT OF TOOLS IN THE TOOLKIT HERE, RIGHT? AND WHAT I'VE HEARD WITH THE MANY QUESTIONS AND SOME OF THE PERSPECTIVES IS THAT YOU'RE NOW STARTING TO SAY, WE'VE GOT TOOLS HERE WE CAN BEGIN TO USE TO TAKE BACK THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'VE LOST OVER THE LAST 20 OR SO YEARS.
AND I WOULD REALLY WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE THAT LINE OF THINKING.
IT'S TOO FREAKING RESTRICTIVE.
THERE'S SOME SIDE COMMENTS HERE.
YOU GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET IT SO THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WILL COME HERE.
I KNOW DEVELOPERS FROM OUT OF STATE WHEN I MOVED HERE NINE YEARS AGO, THEY SAID, I'D LOVE TO COME HERE AND DO SOMETHING, BUT IT'S TOO FREAKING HARD BECAUSE AT LDC AND, AND THE ENFORCEMENT OF ALL THOSE WAS TOO TICKY-TACKY.
YOU GUYS GOTTA START THERE TO MAKE IT EASIER TO DO BUSINESS, EASIER TO MAKE IT WHETHER YOU HELP ALONG THE WAY.
HEY, THERE'S A WAR CHEST OUT THERE, YOU GUYS GOT, THAT'S VERY RARE AMONGST OTHER SMALL COMMUNITIES, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF TOOLS.
WE ALL BELIEVE, CERTAINLY ME, I'VE BEEN A VERY BIG PROPONENT OF, OF SPRINKLE THE INFIELD WITH HOUSING PROJECTS BIG AND SMALL.
AND I SEE THE WESTERN GATEWAY AS A WAY FOR US TO REALLY MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE BY MAKING IT A SEDONA ONLY PROPERTY.
THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO DO THAT.
HOUSING REC CENTERS, UM, COMMUNITY LIKE THE SIFT THAT PROGRAM AND FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THAT, MAKING SURE THERE'S DAYCARES, BUT MAKE SURE IT'S FOR REALLY THE SEDONAS, NOT FOR TOURISTS FIRST, WHICH MAKES ME, OF COURSE, A NON-VET PERSON AS A RESULT.
'CAUSE THAT'S A TOURIST ATTRACTION.
SO IF WE HAVE THAT ATTITUDE AND FIGURE OUT IT'S OUR COMMUNITY OF LOST, AND YES, WITH MANY DIFFERENT PIECES, COUNCILWOMAN DUNN WAS CORRECT.
THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT PIECES OF FOREIGN COMMUNITY.
THERE'S AT LEAST 10 TO 12 DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE A VIBRANT COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE A CHANCE HERE TO DO THAT.
YOU HAVE A CHANCE HERE WITH YOUR VISION.
THAT'S 10, 20, 30 YEARS LONG TO DO THAT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR TOWN WANNA SAY NO, DO EVERYTHING.
THEY WANT TO THINK THAT IF WE STOP NOW, CAN WE JUST STOP IT? WELL, THE PROBLEM IS THIS TOMORROW WILL NOT BE BETTER THAN TODAY.
IT WILL NOT BE MORE SHORT-TERM RENTALS WILL BE HERE.
IT CONTINUES TO GO ACROSS OUR COMMUNITY TO EAT UP MORE OF THE HOUSING, WHICH MAKES IT EVEN WORSE FOR ALL OF US WHO ARE STILL HERE.
SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP LOOKING FOR THOSE SOLUTIONS.
USE EVERYTHING AT YOU DISPOSAL, BECAUSE THERE'S A BUNCH OF US OUT HERE, BUSINESS PEOPLE LIKE ARE DEPENDING ON THIS FOR OUR LIVES AND OUR BUSINESSES.
CHERYL, FOLLOWED BY JACKIE RICE.
HELLO, CHERYL BARONS, S DONOR RESIDENT AND SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.
YOU PUT A LOT OF WORK IN THIS AND LAURA, YOU GUYS ARE PUTTING A LOT OF WORK IN THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
YOU'RE GETTING ABUSED VERBALLY NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.
SO STAY THE COURSE AND BUILD OUR COMMUNITY BACK.
YOU'RE THE, YOU'RE THE PEOPLE THAT DO THAT.
NO MATTER WHAT YOU HEAR AT THIS PODIUM.
UM, IT'S FUNNY TO ME THAT THE PARKING FEE ISSUE LAST NIGHT CREATED A PACKED HOUSE.
AND YET HOUSING IS 50% OF THE, THE PARTICIPANTS.
UM, I AM THE BOARD CHAIR OF THE CHAMBER AND
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I WANT TO OFFER THE CHAMBER SERVICES.BECAUSE AS YOU LOOK AT THE ROOM TODAY, YOU SEE THE SAME SIMILAR FACES THAT YOU ALWAYS SEE.
YOU SEE 'EM AT ALL THE MEETINGS.
YOU SEE 'EM AT THE HUB, YOU SEE 'EM AT THE LIBRARY.
WE NEED THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THE NAYSAYERS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE SAYING, NO, CITY COUNCIL'S JUST SPENDING ON A WHIM.
THEY'RE SPENDING THIS, THEY'RE DOING THAT.
THEY'RE NOT GETTING ALL THE PIECES TO THE PUZZLE.
AND WE GET THAT, BUT WE WANNA HELP.
SO THINK ABOUT IT AND LET ME KNOW OR LET DAVID KNOW WHEN HE COMES UP HERE.
THE OTHER THING IS I LIVE ACROSS FROM THE JORDAN TOWNHOUSES.
AND IF YOU WERE HERE WHEN THE DISCUSSIONS WERE TAKING PLACE ABOUT, UM, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A WORKFORCE HOUSING.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE SOME SENIOR LIVING IN IT.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS GREAT COMPLEX.
BUT I ALSO ATTENDED THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONVERSATIONS AND IT WAS PATHETIC.
WHAT I ACTUALLY HEARD OUT OF SOME OF THE RESIDENT'S MOUTHS.
UM, I DON'T WANT THOSE PEOPLE LIVING NEXT TO ME.
YOU KNOW, THIS COMPLEX IS TOO BIG.
IT'S GONNA CREATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
IT'S GONNA, UM, RUIN THE NATURAL PATH FOR THE WILDLIFE.
I HAVE TO COMMEND MAYOR MONTE HOMES BECAUSE THEY LISTENED TO THE RESIDENTS, THEY CHANGED THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT.
THEY CHANGED A LOT OF THINGS IN HOPES THAT THOSE RESIDENTS WOULD THEN SHOW UP AT THIS CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, YEAH, WE ARE, WE'RE GOOD FOR THAT.
BUT INSTEAD, THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, NO.
SO NOW, BECAUSE THE ZONING WASN'T CHANGED, MONT SAID, OKAY, RESIDENTS, WE'RE GONNA BUILD WHAT ZONING, WHAT THE CODE SAYS.
SO NOW WE HAVE 19 MARKET RATE TOWNHOUSES THAT ARE NOT DEED RESTRICTED, AND WE HAVE TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA COME.
WE HAVE MAYBE FAMILIES THAT ARE GONNA BE THERE, BUT RESIDENTS, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD ON THEIR PROPERTIES, WHATEVER THE ZONE IS, RIGHT? AM I WRONG THERE? I DON'T THINK SO.
BUT ANYWAY, AND MELISSA, JUST ONE LAST THING.
WE NEED A BALANCED COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THESE EXTRA THINGS THAT ARE FUN TO DO.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, JACKIE, FOLLOWED BY DAVID.
HI, JACKIE RICE FROM THE VOC MY FIRST IN-PERSON MEETING.
I'VE BEEN WATCHING YOU GUYS ONLINE FOR A WHILE AND HAVE JUST, I JUST WANNA SAY HOW, UM, IMPRESSED I AM WITH, UH, THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE AGAINST, UM, SUCH A LOUD, UH, I'M NOT EVEN SURE HOW, HOW BIG IT IS, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY ALLOWED VOCIFEROUS GROUP AGAINST, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN GENERAL.
UM, SO I JUST HAD, AND, AND FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A GREAT PRESENTATION.
IT WAS VERY CLARIFYING FOR ME AND IT ALSO ADDRESSED ISSUES THAT I, I'M VERY INVOLVED.
UM, AND, UM, IT'S PROBABLY WISE THAT, UM, PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE AREN'T THERE SO MUCH NOW.
UM, BUT THE, YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT REALLY DID CLARIFY SOME THINGS THAT ARE MISNOMERS THAT ARE GOING OUT.
UM, I ALSO HAD PLANNED TO JUST COME UP TO SAY THAT THE IDEA OF, UM, BUILDING HOUSING FOR FAMILIES THAT WE DON'T KNOW ARE THERE YET, THAT KIND OF, AND, AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A MESSY KIND OF PROBLEM, BUT THE HOUSING HAS TO COME FIRST.
UM, I WAS INVOLVED WITH TRYING TO, I, I WORKED AT A SCHOOL HERE IN SEDONA FOR A FEW YEARS, AND I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIRING, UH, TEACHERS.
AND, UH, WE ENDED UP HAVING TO GO INTERNATIONALLY EVEN WITH, UM, HIRING TO FIND HIGHLY QUALIFIED TEACHERS TO COME HERE.
UM, BECAUSE IT WAS ALWAYS THE HOUSING AND THOSE TEACHERS HAD CHILDREN.
AND, UM, THAT SECT OF, UH, SOCIETY IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
SO I WOULD SAY, UM, BUILD IT AND ALSO RECOMMEND INCENTIVES.
PEOPLE, I'M, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE,
UM, I THANK YOU GUYS FOR, UH, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T LIVE HERE, NOT A VOTER,
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UH, BUT I'M VERY INVESTED IN THE HEALTH OF SEDONA, HAVING WORKED HERE FOR THE YEARS THAT I HAVE, AND I'M HERE FOR MY HEALTHCARE.WE, WE, THE VOC IS VERY MUCH HERE, UM, AS WELL.
AND UM, ALSO THAT YOU'VE ALSO, UH, DONE SOME WORK WITH WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE STR SITUATION.
AND NOW WE GET TO SEE WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW.
UM, AND I ALSO REALLY, I WROTE DOWN, I AGREE WITH LINDA, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU SAID 'CAUSE I DIDN'T WRITE THAT DOWN, BUT OH, I KNOW WHAT IT WAS.
UM, ESPECIALLY THE, YOU KNOW, THE WESTERN GATEWAY.
THAT IS WHAT I WILL ALWAYS CALL IT, THE WESTERN GATEWAY.
AND I REALLY HOPE THAT HOUSING, THAT, THAT PLAN UNFOLDS.
JESSE, ARE YOU GONNA BRING UP A CARD? I ONLY ONE, JESSE, ARE YOU SLACKING OFF? NO.
UM, HELLO, UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS, CITY STAFF.
UH, MY NAME IS DAVID KEE, PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE GREATER SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
I'M HERE AS ALWAYS ON BEHALF OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
AND OUR MISSION IS NOT JUST A STRONGER ECONOMY, IT'S A STRONGER RESILIENT COMMUNITY.
SO IMPORTANT TO THE BUSINESSES.
AND, UH, FIRST OFF, TONY, LAURA, I HEAR NOTHING BUT THOUGHTFUL, PRAGMATIC CONVICTION.
UH, I HEAR A, A REALLY MINDFUL APPROACH.
I HEAR ONE THAT'S OPEN TO CHANGE, OPEN TO RECEIVING NEW INFORMATION, NEW IDEAS, THOUGHTS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE RESIDENTS, UH, THAT WILL ALL BE PUT INTO ONE.
AND SO I JUST WANNA SHARE A QUOTE THAT PHIL IS SO RELEVANT IN THIS SITUATION, IN MATTERS OF STYLE, SWIM WITH THE CURRENT IN MATTERS OF PRINCIPLE STAND LIKE A ROCK, AND THAT WAS THOMAS JEFFERSON.
AND THAT PRINCIPLED APPROACH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO TAKE IS, IS GOING TO SPARK SOME DISCOMFORT, RIGHT? AND, AND I THINK IT IS SO VALUABLE THAT YOU ALL DO LISTEN AND YOU OFFER A SEAT AT THE TABLE TO ANYONE IN OPPOSITION OF YOUR HOPES, YOUR DREAMS, YOUR PLANS, THINGS YOU'RE EXPLORING.
UH, BUT I DO WORRY ABOUT THOSE THAT ARE IN DENIAL OF THE NEED FOR SOLUTIONS MAY ALSO BE IN DENIAL OF THE REASON WE NEED THOSE SOLUTIONS.
AND SO, SHORT-TERM RENTAL SUPPLY, AS WE ALL KNOW, IS EXPANDING.
SCHOOLS ARE SHRINKING, THE WORKFORCE IS VULNERABLE.
AND SMALL BUSINESSES WITHOUT A SUCCESSION PLAN, WITHOUT FAMILIES AND YOUTH COMING UP IN THE RANKS, THOSE AGING OWNERS, THEIR BUSINESSES, THEIR LEGACY MAY CEASE TO EXIST IF THEY HAVE NO ONE TO PASS THE BATON TO.
AND SOME WILL DOUBT YOU IN PURSUING THESE PLANS.
UH, SOME WILL MISUNDERSTAND YOUR MOTIVATIONS AND AT WORSE, THEY WILL INSULT YOUR INTEGRITY.
AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THE CONFIDENCE IN THIS ROOM THAT'S BEING OFFERED TO YOU NOW BECAUSE SO MANY IN THIS ROOM AND BEYOND, IT WILL RESPECT YOU.
AND REMEMBER YOUR DETERMINATION IN PURSUING THIS PLAN, NOT CARTE BLANCHE, BUT WITH CONSIDERATION FOR WHAT THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS, WHAT IT COULD AND SHOULD LOOK LIKE, WHAT IT SHOULD FEEL LIKE, WHAT NEIGHBORS OR NEIGHBORHOODS PRIORITIZE.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE SAME FOR EVERYONE.
SO THAT, THAT IS THE NUANCE YOU ALL FIND IN THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
SO AS ALWAYS, PLEASE LET US KNOW AS CHERYL SO KINDLY OFFERED.
LET US KNOW HOW WE CAN BE GOOD PARTNERS IN THE SUPPORTIVE PROGRAMMING, UM, AND IN EXPLORING WHAT, UH, QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVEMENTS LOOK LIKE AND, AND REALLY PUTTING THE RESILIENT FUTURE OF SEDONA ABOVE ALL.
DAVID JESSE, FOLLOWED BY MARY JESSE ALEXANDER.
UM, HOWEVER, I'VE BEEN IN THE AREA FOR 25 PLUS YEARS RUNNING SOME BUSINESSES AND HOTELS, AND NOW IN UPTOWN HAVE ABOUT 140 ISH EMPLOYEES DURING THIS TIME OF YEAR.
THAT FLUCTUATES FROM ONE 10 TO ONE 50 ISH.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, I THINK I HAVE SIX PEOPLE THAT CAN VOTE IN SEDONA.
AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING GOOD TO SAY.
UM, BUT IT IS TRUE BECAUSE THEY, THEY'VE MOVED AWAY.
THEY, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO HEAR OF THOSE.
I THINK TWO OF THEM HAVE FAMILIES.
UM, SO THE FACT THAT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO, TO LOOK AT TAKING BACK THE COMMUNITY FOR THAT KIND OF, UH, PERSON IS, UH, IS VITAL.
UM, I HAD MY KIDS RAISED MORE IN THE VERDE VALLEY
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AND WE CAME HERE ALL THE TIME AND SAW THE, UH, FOR SPORTS SOCCER AND VARIOUS THINGS, WE'D COME UP TO SEDONA.NOW THERE'S A LOT OF THE LEAGUES THAT DON'T, AREN'T EVEN IN SEDONA ANYMORE.
UM, WE TALK ABOUT BUILDING BEHIND THE, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, FROM WHAT I HEAR THAT'S GOING TO THE HIGH SCHOOL PRETTY SOON.
THERE ISN'T GONNA BE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
UM, MY WIFE WORKED FOR NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE AND, UH, WE TALK ABOUT THE DOCTORS LEAVING WHILE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT EVEN COMING BECAUSE THEIR KIDS CAN'T GO INTO A, A SCHOOL THAT'S, THAT THEY WANT TO BE, THEY'RE TRUCKING 'EM UP TO FLAGSTAFF OR FALL OR ONE OF THE SCHOOLS UP THERE.
AND SO, UNLESS WE STAY THE COURSE AND TRY TO GET SOME OF THIS, UH, IT'S NOT EVEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT HOUSING THAT, THAT, THAT CAN BE LIVED IN.
UM, SOME OF IT'S AFFORDABLE FOR MY EMPLOYEES, BUT THE DOCTORS AREN'T SO MUCH.
AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, AS YOU KNOW, BETTER THAN ANYBODY, OUR HANDS ARE TIED WITH THE, THE LEGISLATURE IN THE, IN THE GOVERNMENT.
AND SO, UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY AS RE REITERATING.
I DON'T GET UP HERE A LOT BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE KINDA SAY WHAT I SAY.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I JUST HAVE A FEW COMMENTS, AND I THINK THE STUDY WAS AMAZING.
I THINK WHAT I PERSONALLY LIKED THE MOST ABOUT IT, AND I'VE ATTENDED A WHOLE LOT OF HOUSING MEETINGS OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS, IS, IS THAT THIS ISN'T ABOUT HOUSING.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FABRIC OF YOUR COMMUNITY AND WHAT IT MAKES THE COMMUNITY TO THRIVE.
AND IT'S NOT JUST HAPPENING IN SEDONA.
I WILL SHARE AN EXPERIENCE I HAD LAST MONTH AT A PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING IN COTTONWOOD WHERE A DEVELOPER WANTED TO PUT IN 18 UNITS ACTUALLY FOR FAMILY HOUSING.
SO IT WAS TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS NEXT TO THE HIGHLANDS BUILDING, WHICH IS A SENIOR COMPLEX.
AND A NUMBER OF THE SENIORS GOT UP AND TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY WERE SO WORRIED THE CHILDREN WERE GONNA BE NOISY, THEY WERE GONNA KNOCK THEM DOWN BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T WALK.
THIS IS A MENTALITY THAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE VERDE VALLEY, AND IT IS EXCITING TO SEE US TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THAT.
TO THAT END, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER SORT OF THE SERVICES OF THE V-D-C-D-O TO TALK ABOUT WHAT SEDONA IS DOING ON A REGIONAL BASIS.
BECAUSE WHAT YOU ARE DOING IMPACTS THE REGION.
JUST LIKE EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IMPACTS SEDONA AND THE OTHER COMMUNITIES NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS HOUSING OPPORTUNITY AND BEING INTRODUCED TO SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
BECAUSE ALL OF THIS REALLY DOES IMPACT US REGIONALLY.
I HOPE OUR BOARD AGREES, UM,
ALSO, I WANTED TO SAY, I LOVE THE WAY YOU PRESENTED THE OPPORTUNITY COST.
THAT IS NOT SHARED VERY OFTEN, AND I THINK THAT'S A REAL NUMBER THAT WE IGNORE TOO OFTEN WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE IMPACT OF COST.
WHEN SOMEONE HAS TO RIGHT NOW DRIVE FROM, SAY, COTTONWOOD TO SEDONA, JUST IN GAS, YOU, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THEY GIVING UP WHEN THEY HAVE TO, TO USE THAT MONEY TO DRIVE FOOD? I MEAN, WHO KNOWS? THANK YOU.
WHO WANTS TO SPEAK? OKAY, SO WE'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL, CLOSE OUT PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ANY FINAL THOUGHTS, DEREK? UM, I JUST WANTED TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO SPOKE.
I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME WE HAVEN'T BEEN YELLED AT
PLEASE COME TO MORE MEETINGS, ALL OF YOU.
WELL, I TOO WILL AGREE WITH SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD THAT I WISH THE NUMBER WERE BIGGER, UH, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO NEED THAT TO GET TO WHERE WE WANT TO GO, BUT WHICH IS, AS PEOPLE HAVE SAID, IS, IS A VIBRANT COMMUNITY, REALLY NEEDS, I THINK, A LARGER TARGET.
BUT I FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU MUST ALSO BE INCREMENTAL AND TRANSITION THOUGHTFULLY.
AND SO, UH, I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PLANS AS I'VE HEARD OUTLINED TODAY IN THIS 10 YEAR.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT PLACE TO START.
WE PUT NUMBERS, WRITE 'EM DOWN, MARK 'EM, AND DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND AND, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET SOMEWHERE.
UM, I, I SUSPECT THAT IF WE GET THERE, WE'LL UNDERSTAND
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THE VITALITY AND THE VIBRANCY OF WHAT A COMMUNITY CAN AND SHOULD BE.AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO, TO PLUG ON, I DEFINITELY SUPPORT, UH, THE INFILL DEVELOPMENT, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, TONY, UM, UH, WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT AND ALL THE REST WITHIN OUR TRADITIONAL CITY BOUNDARIES, RIGHT? SO THE DELL'S PROPERTY I DON'T THINK SHOULD BE PART OF OUR CONVERSATION YET EITHER.
UM, IT'S THE ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO TO DENSIFY.
IT'S THE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO REALLY BUILD, EXPAND THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE OUT BEYOND THE CURRENT BORDERS.
THAT'S A COST THAT OUR RESIDENTS DON'T FULLY PAY THE COST OF THE OPERATION OF THE CITY.
WE RELY ON THE VISITORS TO COME.
IF WE START EXPANDING THE BOUNDARIES, WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE MATH OF THAT EQUATION, AND WE NEED TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THAT.
BUT IT'S ALSO THE RESPONSIBLE COMMUNITY VIBRANCY THING.
SOMEBODY WAS HERE THE OTHER DAY AND TALKED TO US AND SAID A STATEMENT THAT SOUNDED LIKE THAT THEIR VISION OF COMMUNITY WAS HANGING AROUND TOWN AND RUNNING ACROSS THE NURSES AND THE CITY EMPLOYEES AND THE COPS AND THE TEACHERS AND THE STORES AND THE EVENTS, RIGHT? AND WHEN YOU HAVE THAT LOCALLY DENSE ENVIRONMENT, THAT'S WHEN YOU SEE THAT HAPPEN, AND THAT'S WHAT LEADS TO COMMUNITY VITALITY.
SO, UM, YEP, TONY, I THINK IT'S REALLY, IT'S, IT'S NICE GOALS THAT WE PUT OUT HERE FOR THESE KIND OF TARGETS.
AND IT'S FULL SPEED AHEAD, I THINK FOR ME.
SO FIRST OF ALL, UM, THANK YOU TONY AND LAURA.
UM, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF WORK, A LOT OF THOUGHT.
UM, UH, I AGREE WE START WITH THE NUMBERS WE HAVE AND THEN WE TAKE IT FROM THERE.
AND, UM, YOU CAN'T START IN THIS COMMUNITY WITH BIG NUMBERS.
UM, BIG NUMBERS SEEM TO REALLY SCARE PEOPLE.
SO LET'S START WITH THESE NUMBERS, WHICH WILL ALREADY BE TOO BIG.
UM, AND UH, I, I THINK THE THING ABOUT THE DEWS IN MY PERSONAL OPINION IS UNTIL A WC TELLS ME THEY CAN GET WATER OUT TO THE DEWS.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO WATER SOURCE AVAILABLE OUT AT THE DELLS.
YOU CAN'T ASK PEOPLE TO GO LIVE IN A PLACE THAT HAS NO WATER.
UM, SO WHAT WE HAVE IN TOWN IS WHERE WE NEED TO START.
AND I THINK WE START LETTING PEOPLE EASE INTO THE NOTION OF THE LAND THAT IS OURS CITY LAND ON WHICH WE WANT TO DO THINGS.
UM, SO THEY KNOW WHERE THOSE PROPERTIES ARE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYONE REALLY DOES, I THINK PEOPLE THINK OF THE LAND WE HAVE AS THE WESTERN GATEWAY, UM, AND NOT THE FACT THAT THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF OTHER PROPERTIES WHERE WE COULD BUILD SMALL THINGS THAT WILL HELP GET FAMILIES HERE.
BUT AGAIN, SOCIOLOGIST IN ME SAYS, IF YOU DON'T DO THIS HOLISTICALLY, IF YOU'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT WHAT THOSE FAMILIES NEED AND HOW THE, THE NOT THAT THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOCIAL FABRIC, BUT HOW THE SOCIAL FABRIC ALSO CONTRIBUTES TO THEM, THEN YOU WILL HAVE EMPTY HOUSES AND YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU WANT.
YOU WILL NOT GET THE FAMILIES THAT YOU WANT.
SO, UM, I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT HOLISTICALLY.
I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE FOCUSED ON THE HOUSING, BUT WE CAN'T LET THE REST OF IT FALL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT FALLS IN YOUR CAMP AS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT SURE SHOULD 'CAUSE IT'S COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO I REALLY WANT KIND OF LIKE ALL OF THAT SORT OF TOGETHER.
AND SO THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE TO SAY IS ONWARD.
SO I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT WE SHOULD BE BUILDING OUT WITHIN OUR TRADITIONAL CITY LIMIT BOUNDARIES FIRST, FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT WERE STATED, COULDN'T AGREE MORE.
UM, I THINK ABOUT, UM, THE, THE QUESTION OF LIKE, WHAT WOULD MAKE IT BETTER, EASIER, SPECIAL, YOU KNOW, FOR FAMILIES TO BE HERE.
AND, AND HERE'S A COUPLE OBSERVATIONS.
UH, ONE OF THE FOUR OR FIVE AT MOST PARENTS OF SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN WHO CAME TO OUR COMMUNITY CONVERSATION A COUPLE WEEKS AGO SAID, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT
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IF YOU GUYS HAD OFFERED CHILDCARE.IT WOULD'VE MADE IT EASIER FOR, UH, FAMILIES TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS EVENT, PARTICULARLY SINCE YOU'RE ALSO STARTING IT AROUND DINNER TIME.
SO THAT WAS, UH, A COMMENT THAT, UH, I RECEIVED ANOTHER ONE.
UM, I'VE BEEN ATTENDING THE, THE RED DIRT CONCERT SINCE MOVING HERE MULTIPLE YEARS AGO.
BY THE WAY, THE LAST WEEK WAS THE MOST PACKED ONE I'VE EVER SEEN.
UM, I ALWAYS SHOW UP LIKE 10 MINUTES EARLY, PLENTY OF PARKING, PLENTY OF PLACE TO PLOP DOWN MY CHAIR.
IT WAS LIKE 80 PLUS PERCENT FILLED IN.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I ALWAYS NOTICE IS THE FAMILIES WITH KIDS, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERT STARTS AT FI, PARDON ME.
THEY, IF THEY START AT FIVE, THE FAMILIES WITH KIDS DON'T SHOW UP TILL SIX.
THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHY IS THAT? UM, SO I, I DON'T THINK IT'S 'CAUSE THEY JUST WANNA SHOW UP CASUALLY LATE.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE CONTINUE TO NEED TO, TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WORK FOR THAT DEMOGRAPHIC OF OUR COMMUNITY TO GET THEM MORE ENGAGED.
CHERYL, YOU ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT, OKAY, WHAT CAN THE CHAMBER OR WHAT CAN DAVID DO? UM, THE THING THAT COMES TO MIND, AND I THINK, I'M THINK YOU AND I MIGHT HAVE EVEN TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE I, I THINK ABOUT FACES OF SEDONA.
WHAT ARE THE STORIES? YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET THE COMMUNITY TO BUY INTO 7 75, IT'S NOT GONNA BE STRICTLY BASED ON THE CHARTS AND GRAPHS, RIGHT? IT'S GOT TO TUG AT THE HUMAN STORY.
THE PEOPLE THAT DO LIVE HERE THAT ARE COST BURDENED, THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BUT CAN'T BECAUSE IT'S NOT ATTAINABLE.
UM, WE'VE GOT TO DO A A, A BETTER JOB.
WE GOTTA START, I THINK TELLING THOSE STORIES, LETTING THE HUMAN SIDE OF HOUSING BECOME MORE PREVALENT, MORE, UH, VISIBLE WITH PEOPLE.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S HOW YOU START WINNING SOME HEARTS AND MINDS RATHER THAN JUST TRYING TO, UH, DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE'S A BUSINESS CASE TO BE HAD.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE FAMOUSLY BEEN QUOTED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE ROI AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND YEAH, THINGS NEED TO MAKE SENSE FINANCIALLY, BUT ULTIMATELY, IF WE WANT TO BE A COMMUNITY, IF WE WANT INTERGENERATIONAL PRESENCE HERE, THERE'S AN EMOTIONAL ASPECT TO THAT.
AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD LEAN INTO THAT.
SO I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION, CHERYL, FOR HOW TO EXACTLY, TO EXECUTE ON THAT.
BUT ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN HELP WOULD BE GREAT.
OR DAVID, UM, TONY, UH, I SHARED WHEN YOU GAVE US THE FIRST LOOK AT THIS, UM, A NUMBER OF WEEKS BACK THAT THIS HIT THE MARK.
THIS IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AGO WHEN I WAS LIKE, HEY, WE, WE NEED A HOUSING STRATEGY.
'CAUSE JUST BUILDING STUFF DOESN'T CUT IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING OUR SECOND BITE AT THE APPLE TODAY, I WOULD CONTINUE TO SAY, I THINK THIS IS SPOT ON.
UH, AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S WORKED ON THIS SO FAR, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
UM, TYING INTO THE WHOLE FACES OF SEDONA NOTION, THE ENGAGEMENT PLAN, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN IS SO, SO CRITICAL.
AND I THINK THAT YOU NEED TO INCORPORATE THE PEOPLE SITTING ON THIS DIOCESE PART OF IT, AND THAT WE NEED TO BE PART OF HEARING AND ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY OUTSIDE OF THIS CHAMBER.
UM, SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY THAT CAME IN.
JACKIE RICE, THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE DRIVE ALL THE WAY FROM THE VOC AND FOR, UM, PUT PUTTING UP WITH WHAT YOU PUT UP WITH ON NEXTDOOR.
UM, I ALSO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, BUILDING AND WHAT WERE FORMER BOUNDARIES, TRADITIONAL BOUNDARIES IS A TERM THAT'S BEING NOW USED, UH, IS THE, YOU KNOW, THE BEST IDEA.
INFILL IS ALWAYS A A, A GOOD WAY TO GO.
WHY WOULD YOU LET SOMETHING NOT BE UTILIZED? WHY WOULD WE EXPAND SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO CREATE SPRAWL AND BRING MORE TRAFFIC IN AS A RESULT OF THAT? WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGHT.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO PUT HOUSING IN A WAY THAT DOES ENABLE PEOPLE TO USE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OR BE WALKABLE.
SO TRADITIONAL BOUNDARIES MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO ME.
UM, BUT I JUST DO WANNA SAY AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I'M VERY ENCOURAGED BY THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD TODAY.
I, I DON'T WANT TO SWEEP THINGS UNDER THE RUG.
THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO HOUSING IN THIS COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT AND
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FACE IT.IF WE JUST SAY WE'RE CHANGING THE DIALOGUE AND SO THE OPPOSITION'S GONNA GO AWAY.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S VERY REALISTIC.
I THINK WHAT IS REALISTIC IS THE FACT THAT THIS HAS BEEN A CONTEXTUAL, UM, PRESENTATION.
UH, AND THAT IT'S HOPEFULLY WE NEED TO LEARN FROM OURSELVES.
AND MISTAKES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT ADDRESSING THAT, A LOT OF THE OPPOSITION MAY HAVE COME FROM MISREPRESENTATION OF PROJECTS OR IT MAY HAVE COME FROM, UM, A MISUNDERSTANDING OR IT, SOME CASES JUST PEOPLE ARE OPPOSED TO GROWTH AND CHANGE.
UH, AGAIN, IF YOU WANNA, IF, IF YOU'RE SOMEBODY WHO FALLS IN THAT CAMP OF OPPOSING GROWTH AND CHANGE, WHY WOULD YOU PUSH HOUSING OUT TO THE DELLS? TALK ABOUT A REAL CHANGE IN GROWTH AND, AND THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN CONTAINED IN HERE, IF WE CAN MAKE THAT UNDERSTOOD THAT YES, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AS A BALANCED HOUSING PRESENTATION BALANCE IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'VE, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP BEFORE, I DON'T BLAME PEOPLE FOR FEELING LIKE A PROJECT WAS ABOUT TO BE SHOVED DOWN THEIR THROAT, UH, A WAY THINGS WERE PRESENTED IN QUITE OFTEN.
IT, YOU KNOW, APPEARED LIKE THAT AT THE START.
AND THEN AS INFORMATION CAME OUT AND AS PROJECTS GET BETTER WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT GOES AWAY, BUT PEOPLE ARE ALREADY DUG IN AT THAT POINT.
IT'S ABOUT BEING PROACTIVE WITH THE INFORMATION TO ALLAY FEARS THAT ARE LEGITIMATE FEARS.
I DON'T WANNA SEE THE CHARACTER OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGE.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE CHARACTER OF SEDONA CHANGE, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK, AGAIN, INFILL SENSITIVITY, MAKING SURE THAT GUIDE RAILS ARE PUT OUT THERE FIRST ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHTS DENSITY, ABOUT NOT INUNDATING AREAS.
I, THAT HAS TO BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION FOR IT TO START MAKING SENSE TO PEOPLE.
AND I THINK THAT WE ALL SHARE BLAME AND IN THE CONVERSATIONS HAVE NOT MADE SENSE.
SO I THINK THAT THIS IS REALLY A PLACE WHERE WE CAN MOVE TO ANOTHER STAGE AND I'M VERY, UM, ENCOURAGED BY TONIGHT.
SO THANK YOU FOR GREAT PRESENTATION.
WELL, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES, UH, AND I WILL SAY THAT IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING THAT THIS AUDIENCE IS FILLED WITH THE SUPPORTERS AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER AUDIENCE THAT'S FILLED WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO ARE ANGRY, UPSET, CONCERNED, YOU, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WORDS WE WANT TO USE, THAT SOMEHOW THEY HAVE TO COME TOGETHER SO THAT WE'RE TALKING TO ONE ANOTHER AND NOT, YOU KNOW, A ROOM FULL OF ADVOCATES AND A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO ARE AGAINST WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND IF THAT MEANS WE TAKE A ROAD SHOW, YOU KNOW, WE GO ON THE ROAD, WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE NEED BUY-IN, YOU KNOW, FROM THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF WORK AND I THINK WE'RE ALL COMMITTED TO BEING PART OF THAT.
AND LAUREN, SINCE YOU'RE ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE THAT HAS A CHILD, I THINK I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO BRING TO OUR ATTENTION THE THINGS THAT WE FORGET ABOUT OR THE THINGS THAT WE DON'T THINK THROUGH THAT ARE BARRIERS, IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT.
UM,
I SIT ON MY HANDS A LOT WHEN YOU ALL ARE TALKING.
I HAVE LOTS OF THOUGHTS AS LAUREN OUTSIDE OF WORK.
UM, BUT I, I WILL TRY, FEEL FREE TO ASK ME DIRECT QUESTIONS AND I CAN ANSWER THAT WAY.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M OUT OF LINE, BUT, UM, I'LL, I'LL DO MY BEST.
YOU'VE NEVER BEEN SHY ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS,
YOU KNOW THAT
YOU, AND YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER AND, AND, UH, LAUREN OPENED MY EYES, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM THIS TOURISM DISCUSSION.
IS THAT WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE IS? AND SHE SAID, YES, IT IS HER EXPERIENCE.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE MORE TESTIMONY FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING IMPACTED.
AND YOU KNOW, WE, MAYBE OUR NEXT
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COMMUNITY CONVERSATION SHOULD JUST BE ABOUT FAMILIES EXCLUSIVELY.WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN ANOTHER TIME.
IT'S NOT AGENDIZED, BUT THE, WE NEEDED, WE, WE CAN'T THINK THAT THAT ONE CONVERSATION WAS SUFFICIENT BECAUSE I LEARNED A LOT TODAY THAT DIDN'T COME UP AT THAT MEETING.
I THINK THERE WERE MOSTLY SENIORS THERE AND THAT WAS VALUABLE, BUT NOT REALLY ENOUGH ABOUT FAMILIES.
SO LET'S THINK ABOUT THAT TOO.
THANK YOU FOR THE EXCELLENT WORK.
AND LOOK FORWARD TO NEXT WEEK.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S COMING THAT'S NOT IN THIS ROOM? UM, YEAH,
IT'S UH, IT WILL, IT WILL BE BALANCED.
WE'LL SEE, WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES.