* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] OKAY. I AM GONNA [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE] CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT FOUR 30 ON TUESDAY, MAY 26TH, 2026. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION AND UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. BEFORE WE DO THE MOMENT OF SILENCE, I WANT TO HONOR A LOCAL ARTIST WHO PASSED AWAY NAMED SUNSHINE ROSE. AND THE REASON THAT OUR LOGO IS UP THERE BEFORE YOU ON THE SCREEN IS BECAUSE THERE WAS A CONTEST A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, AND SHE SUBMITTED THIS DESIGN AND IT WAS SELECTED. AND SO IT HAS BECOME OUR LOGO. AND SO I'D LIKE TO HONOR HER IN OUR MOMENT OF SILENCE TO IN PLEASE JOIN ME IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE. THANK YOU. AND I KNOW SHE WAS VERY PROUD OF HER DESIGN. MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? MAYOR WHO? HERE? VICE MAYOR FOLTZ. PRESENT. COUNCILOR DUNN? HERE. COUNCILOR FURMAN. PRESENT. COUNCILLOR HOSNI. HERE. COUNCILOR KINSELLA. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FAF. EXCUSED. THANK YOU. OKAY. CONSENT ITEMS. [3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE] DO I HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR COUNCIL WHO WANTS TO PULL ANY ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? OKAY. HEARING NONE. SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEMS. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE A THROUGH F. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. WE HAVE NO APPOINTMENTS TODAY. UH, SUMMARY [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS] OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR, COUNCILOR, CITY MANAGER, AND COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS. ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? PETE? THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO LET THE COUNCIL KNOW THAT WE DID HAVE THE FIRST OF THE FINANCE AUDIT SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS. UH, IT WAS MOSTLY JUST KIND OF BUSINESS AND HOW WE MOVE FORWARD AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. BUT WE ARE FOCUSING ON, UM, UH, PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT DASHBOARD THAT WILL BE ON THE WEBSITE AND AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. AND WE'LL SORT OF WORK OUR, WE'RE GONNA START WITH SOME KIND OF MINIMALLY VIABLE PRODUCT TO START AND, AND THEN MOVE FORWARD FROM THAT. SO, THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MELISSA. SO, THE, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON AT THE COMMUNITY LIBRARY, SEDONA, AND I'VE BEEN ASKED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS AN EVENING FIRESIDE OPEN MIC KNIGHT WITH THE SEDONA POET LAUREATE GARY EVRY. TOMORROW MAY 27TH AT 6:00 PM SO COME TO LISTEN, COME TO SHARE, OR, ANYWAY, JUST COME. AND ALSO, THERE IS A SUMMER READING PROGRAM THAT HAS BEGUN. IT'S FOR KIDS, TEENS, AND ADULTS. UM, READ OR LISTEN TO BOOKS. YOU CAN WIN PRIZES, SO SIGN UP ONLINE OR IN PERSON. AND THE FINAL THING IS TO COME AND HELP CELEBRATE OUR VETERANS. DROP IN AND WRITE A THANK YOU CARD FOR THE VETERANS OF THE VERDE VALLEY. CARDS WILL BE PROVIDED. THE DATE IS SATURDAY JUNE 6TH AT NOON TO 4:00 PM AT THE COMMUNITY LIBRARY, SEDONA. AND YESTERDAY BEING MEMORIAL DAY THERE, SAFE CO HELD A MEMORIAL DAY EVENT AT THE, UH, BARBARA ARONSON PAVILION AT THE POSSE GROUNDS PARK. AND MOST OF COUNCIL WAS THERE, UH, TO HONOR OUR, UH, THOSE WHO GAVE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE FOR THEIR COUNTRY. IT WAS A VERY BEAUTIFUL DAY AND A LOVELY EVENT. AND A FLYOVER. IT WAS A FLYOVER FOR THE FIRST TIME, I WOULD SAY THEY WERE TEETERING ON THAT 500 FEET LIMIT. , ANNETTE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW DIRECTOR OF FINANCIAL SERVICES, JORDAN CORNELIUS. IT'S A GOOD FIRST MEETING FOR HER, ADOPTING THE TENTATIVE OF BUDGETS. SO TODAY'S HER FIRST DAY, AND SHE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO GET TO MEET ALL OF YOU. SO THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. JORDAN. WELCOME. WELCOME. ANYBODY ELSE? BRIAN? THANK YOU, MAYOR. THE NORTHERN ARIZONA COUNCIL OF GOVERNANCE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER. WE'LL BE HAVING A SYMPOSIUM ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER 17, FROM 10 TO TWO. TOPICS WILL COVER SUCH THINGS AS, UH, ESTATE PLANNING, DEMENTIA CARE, [00:05:01] UH, AVOIDING, UH, SCAMS AND RIP-OFFS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO MORE INFORMATION TO COME, BUT, UH, PUT THAT ON YOUR CALENDAR. THANK YOU. OKAY. KURT, WOULD [6. Executive Session Report] YOU LIKE TO GIVE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT, PLEASE? UH, AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION COUNCIL DID NOT TAKE ANY ACTION IN OPEN SESSION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM, I WANNA JUST MAKE SOME COMMENTS AT OUR LAST COUNCIL. OUR LAST TUESDAY COUNCIL MEETING WAS A REMINDER THAT DEMOCRACY WORKS BEST WHEN PEOPLE OF ALL AGES FEEL WELCOME TO PER PARTICIPATE IN THE PUBLIC LIFE. ONE OF THE MOST MEANINGFUL MOMENTS OF THAT EVENING WAS HEARING FROM A YOUNG MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY WHO HAD THE COURAGE TO STAND BEFORE THE ROOM FULL OF ADULTS AND SHARE HER THOUGHTS THROUGH POETRY. THAT KIND OF CIVIC PARTICIPATION SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED AND CELEBRATED. REASONABLE PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS DISAGREE ABOUT PUBLIC POLICY AND RESPECTFUL DEBATE IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT. BUT WE SHOULD ALSO REMEMBER THAT HOW WE TREAT ONE ANOTHER, ESPECIALLY YOUNG PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO ENGAGE WITH THEIR COMMUNITY SHAPES WHETHER THE NEXT GENERATION BELIEVES THERE IS A PLACE FOR THEM IN PUBLIC SERVICE AND CIVIC LIFE. SEDONA IS STRONGEST WHEN RESIDENTS FEEL FREE TO SPEAK, VOLUNTEER, CREATE QUESTION, AND PARTICIPATE WITHOUT FEAR OF RIDICULE OR INTIMIDATION. MY HOPE IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO MODEL PASSIONATE BUT RESPECTFULLY DIALOGUE, EVEN WHEN OPINIONS DIFFER SHARPLY, EVERY RESIDENT HAS A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO SPEAK. WITH THAT RIGHT ALSO COMES AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEMONSTRATE THE KIND OF COMMUNITY WE WANT OUR YOUNG PEOPLE TO INHERIT. NOW, I'LL OPEN UP [7. PUBLIC FORUM] THE PUBLIC FORUM AND I HAVE SOME CARDS. START WITH JEN FARNSWORTH, FOLLOWED BY TIM PERRY AND JESSICA DRUM. HI, JEN. HI, MY NAME IS JEN FARNSWORTH SEDONA, UPTOWN RESIDENT MADAM MAYOR COUNCIL, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY STAFF. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO CORRECT THE RECORD. RECENTLY I STATED THAT EVERY PROMISE MADE TO OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT THE PARKING GARAGE HAS BEEN BROKEN, INCLUDING THE PROMISE THAT IT MEETS NATIONAL FIRE SAFETY STANDARDS. UNDER NFPA 13 NFPA 88 A, THE MAYOR ASKED THE CITY MANAGER WHETHER MY COMMENTS WERE ACCURATE. THE CITY MANAGER SAID NO, AND THAT THE GARAGE WILL FULLY COMPLY WITH ALL NATIONAL FIRE SAFETY STANDARDS. THERE IS NO DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE THAT STATEMENT IS TRUE. IN JANUARY, 2025, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER ANDY DICKEY SENT ME IN WRITING AND I QUOTE, PER THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS, THE PROJECT IS REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH ORDINARY HAZARD GROUP TWO UNDER NFPA 13 AND NFPA 88 A. THE PROJECT'S OWN PLUMBING SPECIFICATIONS CONFIRM IT. THE CONTRACTUAL COMMITMENT RUNS WITH THE PROJECT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE FIRE DISTRICT HAS FORMALLY ADOPTED THE STANDARD. AND YET, AFTER 18 MONTHS AND DOZENS OF MY DIRECT REQUESTS, NOT ONE PERSON HAS CONFIRMED THE SPECIFIC COMPONENTS REQUIRED FOR THAT COMPLIANCE. LET ME BE VERY SPECIFIC. THE OH TWO STANDARD REQUIRES AUTOMATIC SPRINKLERS, DELIVERING 0.20 GALLONS OF WATER PER SQUARE FOOT PER MINUTE OVER EACH 1500 SQUARE FOOT DESIGN AREA, ROUGHLY 550 GALLONS OF WATER PER MINUTE, TOTAL DEMAND SUSTAINED ON ALL THREE FLOORS, INCLUDING THE OPEN TOP DECK. HAS THAT SYSTEM BEEN DESIGNED? HAS IT BEEN INSTALLED? HAS THE WATER SUPPLY BEEN VERIFIED? NOT ONE WRITTEN ANSWER, NOT ONCE. THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE I LEARNED YESTERDAY FROM THE CITY'S OWN APPROVED PLAN SET. THE TOP DECK HAS BEEN FORMALLY CLASSIFIED WITH DUAL OCCUPANCY, INCLUDING AN A THREE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY OCC OCCUPANCY. THE SAME CLASSIFICATION IS A THEATER OR COMMUNITY CENTER. UNDER THAT CLASSIFICATION, THE VIEWING PLATFORM ACCOMMODATES 267 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SIMULTANEOUSLY COMBINED WITH PARKING OCCUPANTS, THE CITY'S OWN CODE PLACES 459 PEOPLE ON THAT OPEN DECK AT ONE TIME IN A HIGH TO SEVERE WILDFIRE ZONE ON UPTOWN'S CRITICAL EVACUATION ROAD, A THREE CARRIES THE THE IBCS HIGHEST LIFE SAFETY OBLIGATIONS, INCLUDING AUTOMATIC SPRINKLERS ON THAT FLOOR. 18 MONTHS LATER, NO [00:10:01] WRITTEN CONFIRMATION. THAT SYSTEM EXISTS. THE CITY MANAGER TOLD THE COUNCIL, THE GARAGE WILL COMPLY. I AM ASKING THE COUNCIL TONIGHT TO REQUIRE THAT ASSURANCE BE PUT IN WRITING WITH SPECIFICS BEFORE THIS PROJECT RECEIVES A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. THANK YOU, TIM. GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS TIM PERRY, AND I LIVE IN SEDONA IN TONIGHT'S INSTALLMENT OF THE LIES TOLD BY THE CITY OF SEDONA. WE WILL RETURN TO THE LIE THAT THIS COUNCIL IS SOMEHOW INTERESTED IN ENCOURAGING THE CONSTRUCTION OF WORKER HOUSING IN SEDONA, WHICH SOMEONE MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE INCLINED TO BELIEVE NOW THAT THEY JUST HELD A PERFORMATIVE THINK TANK ON IT FOR A DAY AND A HALF, WHICH NEVERTHELESS FAILED TO COME UP WITH ANY NEW SOLUTIONS TO THE SUPPOSED HOUSING PROBLEMS OR ANY SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION OF THE REAL HOUSING PROBLEM, WHICH IS THAT SEDONAS BUILDING AND LAND CODES HAVE BEEN SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO PREVENT THE CONSTRUCTION OF WORKER HOUSING. I'VE BEEN DOING CONSTRUCTION SINCE I WAS A KID. I COULD GO OUT THERE TOMORROW AND BUILD MYSELF OR SOMEBODY ELSE IN THIS COMMUNITY, A HOME SO COULD HUNDREDS OF OTHER PEOPLE. IT'S QUICK, IT'S CHEAP, IT'S SIMPLE, IT'S EASY. BUT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO SO BECAUSE OF THE CITY'S BUILDING CODES. WE ARE NOT HERE ASKING FOR A HANDOUT FROM THE GOVERNMENT OR FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO BUILD US HOUSING TO BORROW A LINE THAT JEN MAY APPLIED TO THE CULTURAL PARK SOME TIME AGO. WE ARE ASKING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE WORK TO BORROW A LINE FROM LUKE SEFTON. WE ARE ASKING OF HER CHANCE TO BUILD SWEAT EQUITY, BUT TO BORROW A LINE, A FAMOUS LINE FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE UKRAINE. WE ARE ASKING FOR AMMUNITION, NOT A RIDE. BUT WE CANNOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE OPEN TO US IN THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THE CITY'S BUILDING CODES, WHICH WERE DESIGNED NOT FOR OUR HEALTH AND SAFETY, BUT TO ACT AS PROXIES FOR THE MORAL BIGOTRY OF THIS NIMBY COUNCIL. YOU DO NOT WANT HOUSING BUILT. YOU DON'T WANT US PROTECTED WITH THE CODES. YOU WANT TO USE THE CODES AS A FORM OF VIRTUE SIGNALING TO TELL US THAT YOU NOT US, HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE HERE IN SEDONA, BECAUSE YOU COULD AFFORD TO BUY YOUR WAY IN BASED ON YOUR MILLIONS. NEWSFLASH, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MORALLY GOOD, RICH PERSON. IT IS EASIER FOR A CAMEL TO GO THROUGH THE EYE OF A NEEDLE THAN FOR A RICH MAN TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. YOUR OBSCENE WEALTH IS A SIN AND A CRIME, NOT A VIRTUE. AND IT PUTS YOU AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SOCIAL HEAP, NOT THE TOP. SO I, I GUESS THIS COUNCIL OF WORTHLESS MILLIONAIRES APPRAISE ITS POSITION, HUMBLE ITSELF, AND GET OUT OF THE WAY OF THE GOOD, HONEST WORKING PEOPLE OF THIS TOWN BY RE REVEALING THE BUILDING CODES SO THEY CAN BUILD HOUSING. ALTERNATIVELY, THE COUNCIL COULD JUST STOP BEING HYPOCRITES, STOP PRETENDING THEY WANT HOUSING. AND ADMIT THERE ARE A BUNCH OF NIMBY BIGOTS BY YOUR WORKS. SHALL WE KNOW YOU? JESSICA DRUM, FOLLOWED BY MARK TIMBROOK. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS JESSICA DRUM AND I AM A COMMUNITY RELATIONS MANAGER AT NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE. AND TODAY I AM HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WOMEN'S HEALTH MONTH. WOMEN'S HEALTH MONTH IS IN MAY. WE ARE JUST SQUEAKING IN, BUT IT'S STILL SUCH AN IMPORTANT TOPIC THAT WE WANTED TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO, UM, SHARE SOME INFORMATION AND SHED LIGHT ON SOME AVAILABLE SERVICES IN AN EFFORT TO GET THE WOMEN IN OUR COMMUNITY TO SET UP WITH A PRIMARY CARE PROVIDER SO THEY CAN GET REGULAR HEALTH SCREENINGS AND WELLNESS CHECKS. UM, SOMETHING THAT I LEARNED VERY, VERY RECENTLY THAT MANY OF YOU ALSO MAY BE NEWS TO ALL OF YOU AS WELL, IS THAT UNTIL 1993 CLINICAL RESEARCH DONE IN THE UNITED STATES WAS NOT REQUIRED TO INCLUDE WOMEN. THAT WAS 1993. NOT, NOT THAT LONG AGO. I HAD TO DOUBLE READ THAT WHEN I SAW I HAD TO DO A DOUBLE TAKE. WHEN I SAW THAT WOMEN NOW MAKE UP HALF OF ALL PARTICIPANTS IN CLINICAL RESEARCH THAT'S FUNDED BY THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH. UM, BUT BASIC RESEARCH AND THAT RESEARCH THAT'S DONE AHEAD OF THE CLINICAL TRIALS IS STILL MORE LIKELY TO BE DONE ON MALE CELLS. THIS REDUCES OUR ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND, TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WOMEN'S HEALTH TREATMENT OPTIONS AND OUTCOMES OF CARE. AT NAH, WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON HIRING PROVIDERS FROM ALL BACKGROUNDS, WALKS OF LIFE AND GENDERS. UH, FOR EXAMPLE, AT OUR COTTONWOOD CLINIC, WE HAVE DOUBLED OUR GENERAL SURGERY DEPARTMENT FROM TWO SURGEONS TO FOUR. AND THIS EXPANSION HAPPENED BECAUSE WE ADDED TWO FEMALE SURGEONS TO THE TEAM. BOTH OF THEM ADDRESS ANY NUMBER OF SURGICAL NEEDS AND ALSO WORK WITH PATIENTS IN OUR BREAST CLINIC. WE ALSO HAVE CERTIFIED NURSE MIDWIVES IN OUR WOMEN'S CLINIC WHO ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE PRIMARY CARE FOR WOMEN OF ALL AGES. AND WOMEN'S HEALTH DOESN'T JUST APPLY TO THE REPRODUCTIVE EXAMPLES I JUST GAVE. WE KNOW FROM [00:15:01] NUMEROUS STUDIES THAT WOMEN ARE 50% MORE LIKELY TO DELAY THEIR OWN HEALTHCARE THAN MEN ARE. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? TODAY? WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE WOMEN IN THIS ROOM TO PLEASE SET UP AN APPOINTMENT WITH YOUR PRIMARY CARE PROVIDER IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THEM IN MORE THAN A YEAR. AND TO THE MEN IN THE ROOM, PLEASE ENCOURAGE THOSE WOMEN THAT YOU LOVE AND THAT ARE IN YOUR LIVES TO SET UP THOSE HEALTHCARE APPOINTMENTS. UM, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE, THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS THROUGHOUT THE VERDE VALLEY. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WITH US, BUT PLEASE MAKE THOSE REALLY IMPORTANT PREVENTATIVE CARE APPOINTMENTS. WE KNOW THAT PREVENTATIVE CARE IS THE BEST CARE AND YOU CAN'T SCREEN FOR ILLNESS. UM, OR, BUT YOU CAN'T SCREEN FOR ILLNESS OR FIND OUT ABOUT A NECESSARY CHANGE YOU SHOULD MAKE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CARE PROVIDER. SO PLEASE FIND ONE AND HELP US TO CELEBRATE WOMEN'S HEALTH MONTH BY, UM, TAKING ADVANTAGE OR TAKING, UM, RESPONSIBILITY AND CARE FOR YOUR OWN HEALTH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. JESSICA MARK, FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL JAMES LONG. HELLO, I'M MARK 10 BROOKE. I'M AN UPTOWN RESIDENT AND I'M ONE OF 10, UH, CITIZEN AND BUSINESS MEMBERS OF THE PARKING WORK GROUP. UH, THESE OBSERVATIONS ARE MY OWN, UH, AND MAY NOT REFLECT EVERYBODY IN THE PARKING WORK GROUP. IN 2023, KIMLEY-HORN DID A PARKING INVENTORY THAT SHOWED THERE WERE 978 PUBLIC PARKING SPACES IN UPTOWN WITH CUSTOMER AND LODGING PARKING, BRINGING THAT TO 2,761. UH, KIMLEY HORNE UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN VISITOR AND EMPLOYEE PARKING. UH, IN THAT PARKING USE STUDY, UH, CITY STAFF HAVE SINCE EVALUATED THE STREET PARKING IN UPTOWN, UH, TO ONLY ALLOW CODE COMPLIANT PARKING SPACES THAT ALLOW CLEAR SIGHT LINES AT CORNERS AND EMERGENCY VEHICLE PASSAGE. THIS SAFETY FE FOCUSED APPROACH, WHICH I , WHICH I UH, THINK IS A GOOD IDEA, WOULD REDUCE, UH, STREET PARKING FROM 330 TO 116 SPACES, REDUCTION OF ABOUT 200 SPACES WITH A LOSS OF SEVERAL CITY LOTS, REDUCE STREET PARKING. THE ADDITION OF THE 270 PARKING SPACES, THE OVERALL PUBLIC PARKING INVENTORY HAS BEEN REDUCED FROM ABOUT 9 78 TO 6 61. ABOUT 300 PARKING, PARKING SPOTS LO LOST TO PUBLIC PARKING. WHETHER THE RELEASE LOTS WILL CHARGE FOR PARKING IN THE FUTURE IS NOT KNOWN, BUT WILL STILL CAUSE, UH, VISITORS TO CIRCULATE, LOOKING FOR THEIR BEST ADVANTAGE, UH, FOR PARKING. UH, THE PARKING WORK GROUP CONSULTANT HAS SURVEYED UPTOWN BUSINESSES AND IT APPEARS THAT TWO TO 300 EMPLOYEES, UH, AT ONE TIME AND ANOTHER, UH, DON'T HAVE EMPLOYEE PROVIDED PARKING. UH, SINCE THE EMPLOYEES HAVE HISTORICALLY USED STREET PARKING AND LOT PARKING FOR FREE AND OCCUPY THESE SPACES FOR UP TO EIGHT HOURS, UH, THE EFFECT IS THAT WHILE THERE ARE ONLY 5% OF THE PUBLIC PARKING USERS, UH, THEY LIKELY USE 30% OF THE AVAILABLE PARKING HOURS. THIS DISPLACES VISITORS ADDRESSING THE EMPLOYEE PARKING ISSUE IS REALLY THE CRUX OF PROVIDING ADEQUATE VISITOR PARKING. IN UPTOWN. EMPLOYERS NEED TO STEP UP AND PROVIDE NON-PUBLIC EMPLOYEE PARKING TO PREVENT VISITORS AND EMPLOYEES FROM SIMPLY PARKING IN THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AREAS. IT MAKES SENSE TO INCLUDE NO PARKING OR RESIDENTIAL PARKING SIGNAGE OUTSIDE OF THE UPTOWN CORE AREA. THE CITY ALSO PROPOSED, UH, PARKING RATES THAT VARIED FROM TWO 50 TO $5 AN HOUR AND ASSUME 65% OCCUPANCY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. UH, NOTE THAT THE PROPOSED RATES ESTIMATED A REVENUE THAT'S DOUBLE WHAT THE OPERATION MAINTENANCE AND DEBT SERVICE WERE. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, UH, LOWER OCCUPANCY ESTIMATES BE USED, UH, FOR PARKING AND PARKING RATES VARY FROM $1 TO $2 AN HOUR. AS SHOWN IN THE PDF THAT I'VE SENT TO CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF, UH, THIS WOULD STILL GENERATE A SMALL SURPLUS RATES CAN ALSO BE ADJUSTED BY YEAR. I'D ALSO RE RECOMMEND PARKING TIME LIMITS IN ALL LOTS TO PREVENT EMPLOYEE USE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MARK. UH, MICHAEL JAMES LONG. I GO BY MICHAEL JAMES LONG. I'M AN ARIZONA STATE CITIZEN, AND I'VE END DOMICILE ON THE LAND OF ARIZONA FOR NINE YEARS. IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THERE HAS BEEN A COMPLETE FORGETTING AND WILLFUL IGNORANCE OF WHAT EVEN CONSTITUTES A CRIME OR AN OFFENSE THAT COULD RESULT IN THE ABRIDGEMENT OF ONE'S RIGHTS, NAMELY ONE'S RIGHT TO LIFE, LIBERTY AND PURSUIT OF A HAPPINESS OR PRIVATE PROPERTY. IN ORDER TO ABRIDGE ONE'S RIGHTS, ONE NEEDS TO, UH, BE ONE. THERE NEEDS TO BE A MEMBER OF THE PEOPLE, A MAN OR WOMAN WHO CLAIMS THEY'VE BEEN DAMAGED SPECIFICALLY. AND PARTICULARLY THEN THIS COMPLAINT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED UPON BY A SWORN OFFICER OF THE LAW. AND A VERIFIED COMPLAINT IS FORMED ONLY THEN AFTER SAID VERIFIED COMPLAINT IS TAKEN BEFORE 10, OR SORRY, 12 MEN OR WOMEN, AND THEY DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S PROBABLE CAUSE FOR THE ABRIDGEMENT OF THAT INDIVIDUAL'S RIGHTS. THEN IT IS SIGNED OFF BY [00:20:01] A JUDGE. THIS IS CALLED AN INDICTMENT. WITHOUT THIS PROCESS AND OTHER CHECKS AND BALANCES, THE VALUE OF OUR SYSTEM IS LOST. OUR PEERS, THE JUDGE AND JURY, ARE SUPPOSED TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE'S RIGHTS AGAINST CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS AND UNREASONABLE TRESPASS, BUT WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. COMPLAINTS ARE FILED BY INFORMATION. AND WHEN THERE IS NOT A MEMBER OF THE PEOPLE WHO CLAIMED INJURY OR DAMAGE, THE PROCESS AS A WHOLE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. IT'S KNOWN AS AN EMOLLIENT VIOLATION AND IS WHEN IT RESULTS IN THE ENRICHMENT OR PAYMENT OF THE OFFICE HOLDERS IN QUESTION. MEANING YOU GUYS, IT IS A VIOLATION OF ARTICLE ONE, SECTION NINE, CLAUSE EIGHT OF THE CONSTITUTION VOID OF THIS PROCESS, YOU THE CITY HAVE DEMONSTRATED THE SELF-EVIDENT LOSS OF THE RIGHT TO RULE AND THE PROTECTION OF LAW. AND THE CONSTITUTION FOR IT IS ONLY FOR THE LAW ABIDING AND NOT USURPERS OF THE NAME AND WOULD BE TYRANTS. THOMAS JEFFERSON FAMOUSLY SAID, I'VE SWORN ON THE ALTAR OF GOD, ETERNAL HOSTILITY AGAINST EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN. AND JFK FAMOUSLY SAID, THERE'S LITTLE VALUE ENSURING THE SURVIVAL OF OUR NATION IF OUR TRADITIONS DO NOT SURVIVE WITH IT. WHILST BENJAMIN FRANKLIN SAID, THOSE WHO WOULD GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY TO PURCHASE LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY NOR SAFETY AND LOSE BOTH. THE EVIL PERPETUATED BY THE CITY OF SEDONA AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT IS OF NEARLY EPIC PROPORTIONS, ROBBED OF ALL CAPACITY, NEARLY FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY, LIBERTY AND THE LIFE ITSELF. I'M LEFT WITH MARTYRDOM OR VICTORY, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO PAY THE PRICE TO RESTORE THE UNION AND THE CONSTITUTION GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH, DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR. YOU KNOW WHY NO ONE WANTS TO WORK. IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF LAZINESS. IT'S BECAUSE THE MONEY IS WORTHLESS BECAUSE OF CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS WHICH HAVE ROBBED US. THE PEOPLE OF THIS GREAT UNION OF OUR BIRTHRIGHT, THOMAS JEFFERSON, SAID, QUOTE, BANKING INSTITUTIONS ARE MORE DANGEROUS TO OUR LIBERTIES THAN STANDING ARMIES. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EVER ALLOW PRIVATE BANKS TO CONTROL AN ISSUE CURRENCY, FIRST BY INFLATION, THEN BY DEFLATION, THE BANKS AND CORPORATIONS WILL GROW UP AROUND AND DEPRIVE THE PEOPLE OF ALL PROPERTY UNTIL THEIR CHILDREN WAKE UP HOMELESS ON THE CONTINENT THEIR FOREFATHERS BUILT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENED, AND IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION. ARTICLE ONE, SECTION 10, CLAUSE ONE, WHICH READS, NO STATE SHALL MAKE ANYTHING BUT GOLD OR SILVER COIN, A TENDER IN PAYMENT OF DEBTS. IN 1969, A US POSTAL WORKER, POSTAL WORKER SALARY WAS $6,100. THAT IS 30 AT $35 AN OUNCE. THAT'S 175 OUNCES OF GOLD A YEAR, OR ABOUT $800,000. NOW $402 PER HOUR. BUT THEN NOW THE WAGE OF A POSTAL WORKER IS 21 69, 5 0.3% OF WHAT IT WAS 50 YEARS AGO. YOU WANT ME TO WORK FOR PEANUTS OF WHAT MY FATHER GOT? AND YOU GIVE ME NOTHING, I CAN'T EVEN SLEEP ON THE WOODS. OKAY. WE HAVE NO PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS, BUT WE HAVE HAD A REQUEST FROM SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO MOVE. UM, ITEM AB 33 23 DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE WESTERN GATEWAY PLANNING PROCESS IN FRONT OF THE, UH, TENTATIVE CITY BUDGET AB 32 89. AND I'M GONNA GRANT THAT, UH, REQUEST. SO WE WILL START WITH, [9.c. AB 3323 Discussion/possible action regarding the Western Gateway planning process and approval of a non-exclusive, non-binding Letter of Intent and request for information for any organization wishing to prepare a business plan for the re-establishment of the amphitheater operations at the Western Gateway] UM, AB 33 23 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE WESTERN GATEWAY PLANNING PROCESS AND APPROVAL OF A NON-EXCLUSIVE NON-BINDING LETTER OF INTENT AND REQUEST FOR INFORMATION FOR ANY ORGANIZATION WISHING TO PREPARE A BUSINESS PLAN FOR THE REESTABLISHMENT OF THE AMPHITHEATER OPERATIONS AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY. THANK YOU, KURT. WELL, KURT IS GETTING IT SET UP. MADAM MAYOR. UM, JUST A REMINDER THAT AT YOUR MEETING ON APRIL 28TH, UH, YOU RECEIVED THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY THAT YOU HAD REQUESTED, AND OUT OF THAT MEETING CAME THE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND PREPARE THESE DOCUMENTS FOR YOU TO REVIEW TONIGHT. UM, AND SO THOSE WILL BE BROUGHT UP AND, UM, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL CAN WALK YOU THROUGH IT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THOSE DOCUMENTS. THANK YOU, ANNETTE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR, AND MR. VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS, UH, BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE, UM, OUR FIRST DRAFT. FIRST TAKE A LETTER OF INTENT THAT COUNCIL DIRECTED US TO DO A MONTH AGO. AND WITH THAT, ALONG WITH THAT AS A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION. UH, TY THE REQUEST FROM, UH, ONE OF THE PARTIES INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING THE SEDONA REDEVELOPING THE AMPHITHEATER AT THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK WAS FOR A LETTER OF INTENT. UM, AS COUNCILOR FURMAN POINTED OUT AT THAT MEETING, THAT'S A LITTLE BACKWARDS FROM HOW GOVERNMENTS NORMALLY DO IT, GOVERNMENT WOULD NORMALLY ISSUE A AN RFI FIRST, UH, REQUEST FOR INFORMATION. AND THROUGH THAT PROCESS, DO ALL OF ITS FACT FINDING AND, AND INFORMATION GATHERING, WHICH WOULD THEN LEAD TO IF ALL THE INFORMATION CAME OUT POSITIVE AND COUNCIL WANTED TO LEAD TO A FUTURE, UH, REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL OR AN RFP IN THE FUTURE. UH, SO WE, UH, STAFF WORKING WITH, UH, PROCUREMENT IAN AND PROCUREMENT AND MY OFFICE, WE DRAFTED A RFI AND A NON-BINDING, NON-EXCLUSIVE, UH, LETTER OF INTENT AS DIRECTED BY CITY COUNCIL. UM, THERE HAVE, UM, WHICH HAS A NUMBER, UH, OF DIFFERENT COMPONENTS TO IT. UM, SOME OF [00:25:01] THE MAIN COMPONENTS THAT WE, UH, DISCUSSED AS STAFF WAS FIRST MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS A, AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THE SITE CURRENTLY IS, UM, AND ITS CURRENT RESTRICTIONS UNDER ZONING. UM, WE ALSO PUT IN THE RFI, UM, THE POTENTIAL OF THE INITIATIVE. IF THAT'S, UH, PASSES, UH, THERE CAN BE SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE WANTED ANY RESPONDENTS TO BE, TO BE AWARE OF. UM, AND THEN ON THE TO HELP DOCUMENT THAT WE INCLUDED THE 1995 ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE 2002, UH, ZONING AMENDMENTS THAT AMENDED THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. UH, BUT WE'RE STILL FAIRLY, UH, RESTRICTIVE IN THE NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT COULD BE HELD IN THE TIMEFRAME. UH, AS PART OF OUR RFI PROCESS, THE CITY'S OPEN TO ALL TYPES OF IDEAS, UM, AND HOW THIS COULD WORK. THERE'S A WHOLE RANGE OF OPPORTUNITIES THE CITY COULD DO TO LEASE THE PROPERTY ON ONE END, UM, ALL THE WAY TO DEVELOPING IT, UM, AND THEN JUST HAVING SOMEONE OPERATE IT. UM, SO AT THIS POINT, WE USUALLY TRY NOT TO DICTATE THAT IT'D BE ONE OR THE OTHER. AND WE'RE AS, AT LEAST FROM A STAFF PER PERSPECTIVE, WE'D BE OPEN TO A VARIETY OF IDEAS AND HOW THIS MIGHT WORK. UM, AND PENCIL OUT FOR A REDEVELOPMENT IF, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL GIVES. UM, WE DID PUT THAT ITS GENERAL CAPACITY WOULD BE MAXED AT 5,500 FEET. UM, ANOTHER LIMITATION 50, SORRY, YEAH, 5,500 SEATS. UH, ANOTHER GENERAL LIMITATION THAT WE ARE RUNNING INTO IS JUST THE SIZE OF THE SITE. UM, THE 41 ACRES, UH, THERE WERE ISSUES BACK ORIGINALLY WITH PARKING, UM, AND IT WASN'T EVEN FULLY BUILT OUT. UM, NOW COUNCIL HAS, UH, DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK INTO, UH, DEVELOPING A LEASE WITH, UH, THE SEDONA INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL. UH, SO THAT WOULD ELIMINATE FIVE ACRES. UH, THIS WAS NUMBER FOUR OUT OF, UH, THE LIST OF POTENTIAL IN THE PUBLIC OPINION POLL. THERE'S A LIST OF POTENTIAL DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT THE PUBLIC WAS INTERESTED PUTTING IN THERE, AND THIS WAS ONLY NUMBER FOUR ON THAT LIST. SO EVEN IF YOU LEFT JUST FIVE ACRES FOR A REC CENTER OR COMMUTER COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE, UM, THE OTHER ONES THAT WERE, UH, HIGH ON THE PUBLIC'S LIST. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER FIVE ACRES ALONG 89 A IN THE VERY SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S ON A, IT'S IN THE PAST WAS PRESERVED BOTH BECAUSE IT'S STEEP AND SO HARD TO BUILD ON. AND THEN TWO, UH, FOR VIEW PROTECTION AS YOU DRIVE INTO THE CITY, NOT HAVING IT BE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, UM, FULLY DEVELOPED RIGHT THERE AS YOU DRIVE IN. AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER FIVE ACRE. SO IF YOU ELIMINATE ALL OF THOSE, THAT GETS US TO WHAT WAS IN THE COUNCIL PACKET AS THE 2026, UH, SITE PLAN. THAT LEAVES ONLY UP TO ABOUT 25 ACRES, UH, LEFT FOR THIS, FOR THE POTENTIAL, UM, UH, AMPHITHEATER TO, TO RENEW AND, UH, RENOVATE THE AMPHITHEATER AND USE THAT AGAIN. SO THAT IS ANOTHER LIMITATION THAT'S ON THERE. UM, WE DID GET SOME PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTENT. SOME LAST, UM, MINUTE ONES JUST DUE TO THE, UH, SHORT, UH, WEEKEND, UH, WITH THE HOLIDAY. AND THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT THERE. UM, IN HERE YOU'LL SEE, AND THIS IS FROM THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK 2.0. AND I DO, I GUESS I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, 'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, THIS WAS CLEAR COUNCIL MADE VERY CLEAR AT THE LAST MEETING. THIS IS OPEN TO EVERYBODY. UH, THIS REQUEST FOR INFORMATION WOULD BE POSTED FOR AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE PUT IN THERE RIGHT NOW. IT'S THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH. UH, WHICH WOULD HOPEFULLY GIVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, TIMES TO GATHER, UM, PARTNER WITH ANYONE, GATHER INFORMATION THEY NEED, AND PRESENT THAT TO THE CITY. UH, AND THAT TIMEFRAME CAN BE EXTENDED TO AS COUNCIL DISCUSSES IT TONIGHT. UH, BUT ALSO THE LETTER OF INTENT. UM, IT'S UP HERE, IT'S JUST, IT'S A BLANK RIGHT NOW. UM, IT'S WHOEVER THE RESPONDENT IS AT ANY QUALIFIED, UH, PARTY THAT WANTED TO INVESTIGATE THIS CAN, UH, GET A SIGNED LETTER OF INTENT FROM THE CITY MANAGER AS WHO WE HAVE SIGNING THIS. UM, BUT THIS, THESE, UH, EXACT RED LINES ARE PROPOSED FROM, UH, THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK 2.0 ORGANIZATION. AND IN THERE THEY HAVE ADDING IN A REFERENCE TO THE 1995 ORIGINAL MASTER SITE PLAN, WHICH WAS ALREADY LISTED DOWN BELOW, BUT IT WAS NOT LISTED IN THE, IN THE DOCUMENT. UM, I DO SEE THERE'S SOME VALUE IN THAT 'CAUSE IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKED LIKE A PRETTY COOL PLAN, YOU KNOW, UH, ORIGINALLY WITH A, A KIND OF A, A MUSEUM'S AN EXHIBITION SPACE, THE ARTS VILLAGE, UM, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT USES. NOW, A LOT OF THAT'S NOT GONNA BE POSSIBLE NOW WITH THIS, WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, UM, YAVAPAI COLLEGE THAT WAS, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT THERE WHEN THE MASTER PLAN WAS DONE. UM, WITH CIFA FEW OTHER THINGS. BUT IT IS INSTRUCTIVE OF HOW THE, THE, THE SITE WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED TO BE BUILT ON. AND, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT WAS PUT INTO THAT. UM, AND THEN JUST SOME GENERAL CHANGES. [00:30:01] I DON'T NECESSARILY, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS ONE. ONE GOOD CHANGE HERE IS, UM, IT DOES RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, ALONG WITH THE AMPHITHEATER RES REVITALIZATION, AS IT SAYS HERE, UM, WITHIN, UH, THE WESTERN GATEWAY AREA, THAT THERE'S ALSO THE CITY'S LOOKING AND, UH, UM, PLANS FOR THE, FOR SIF AND IT'S THEATERS THERE AS WELL. SO, UH, THOSE ARE ALL FINE. THE ONE MAJOR CHANGE, UM, COUNCILOR FURMAN, THIS ONE DOWN HERE DOES SAY, AND THEN AGAIN, THIS IS THE LETTER OF INTENT. IT'S JUST SOME GENERAL PARAMETERS. UM, TWO THINGS. ONE, IT DOES SAY THIS IS THE CURRENT ZONING. UM, TALKING IT OVER WITH STAFF AND OTHERS, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA TO PUT IN THERE THAT WHILE THERE'S THESE CURRENT ZONING RESTRICTIONS THAT WE'VE ATTACHED AND, AND ALLUDED TO IN THE RFI AND THE LOI, UH, THAT A REZONING IS NOT OFF THE TABLE, THAT THE CITY WOULD BE WILLING TO EXPLORE REZONING OPTIONS AS WELL. UH, AND THEN THERE'S THIS ONE THAT THEY JUST SHORTENED THE LEASE RENOVATION MAINTENANCE TO A RENOVATION OPERATING STRUCTURE. I DON'T HAVE CONCERNS WITH SHORTENING THAT RIGHT NOW AT THIS PHASE, 'CAUSE IT'S JUST THE EXPLORATION PHASE. UM, ANY ACTUAL, UH, DETERMINATION AS TO WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FULL RENOVATION MAINTENANCE OPERATION, AND THEN WHAT THAT STRUCTURE ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE, UH, WOULD BE DETERMINED, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO AN AN RFP IF THE CITY GETS TO THAT PHASE. AND THAT WOULDN'T BE UNTIL, YOU KNOW, LATE THIS YEAR OR EARLY NEXT YEAR. UM, SO THOSE ARE THE CHANGES THERE. AND THEN THE, I, SORRY, I FORGET THE LAST ONE IS, UH, SEDONA CULTURAL PARK. THE 2.0, UH, GROUP, UH, WOULD RECOMMEND NOT INCLUDING EXHIBIT C, THE 2026 WESTERN GATEWAY SITE PLAN. UM, I EXPLAINED THAT TO YOU. THAT WAS THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE UP TO 25 ACRES AND THE LIMITATIONS THERE AND WHY STAFF FELT THAT WAS A, A APPROPRIATE TO INCLUDE IN THERE. SO, UM, THAT'S NOT ONE THAT I NECESSARILY RECOMMEND, BUT IT IS UP TO COUNSEL TO REVIEW. UM, AND WE WILL TAKE DIRECTION FROM YOU ON THAT. UH, THERE WERE NO RED LINES PROVIDED FROM EITHER COUNSEL OR ANYONE ELSE ON THE RFI. UM, IF ANY OF THESE CHANGES WERE TO, UM, BE ADOPTED OR APPROVED BY COUNSEL AND THE LOI, WE WOULD, UH, TWEAK THE RFI TO CORRESPOND. WE WOULDN'T WANT 'EM TO CONFLICT IN ANY WAY. UH, BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO DOCUMENTS THAT BEFORE COUNCIL, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE THAT YOU HAVE. KURT, BEFORE WE GET TO QUESTIONS, CAN YOU JUST WALK AT MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC ON HOW A, THE PROCESS WORKS, HOW YOU GET FROM AN RFI TO AN RFP, AND SURE. HOW PEOPLE SHOULD RESPOND TO THE RFI? YEAH, THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. SO, UH, REQUEST FOR INFORMATION IS, UM, THE CITY'S FACT FINDING MISSION AND WHAT IT DOES. UH, WE, WE TYPICALLY DO THAT WHEN THERE WERE, WHEN WE NEED MORE INFORMATION, WHEN WE'RE, IT'S AN AREA OF, UM, OF LAND USE OR, UH, IT COULD BE IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE WASTEWATER FIELD OR WHATEVER AREA IS. WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT EXPERTISE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE. AND SO WE'RE GOING OUT TO THOSE WHO ARE EX EXPERTS IN THE FIELD AND HAVE KNOWLEDGE IN THE FIELD AND ASKING FOR THEIR OPINION ON, HEY, WHAT CAN THE CITY DO HERE? WHAT SHOULD THE CITY DO HERE? SO, UM, IT IS MEANT TO BE, UH, PRETTY OPEN AND, AND BROAD, UM, A PURE FACT FINDING MISSION. UH, AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANT IT TO BE ACCURATE AND LET EVERYONE KNOW ALL THE CURRENT CONDITIONS AND WHAT THE CITY, UH, SEES AS, UH, POTENTIAL LIMITATIONS ON WHATEVER TOPIC WE'RE EXPLORING. UH, THERE'S NOT REALLY, IN AN RFI, THERE'S NOT REALLY AN EVALUATION PHASE. IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S A COMMITTEE THAT COMES IN AND JUDGES WHO WON THE RFI, UM, AND WHO, YOU KNOW, WHO'S LAST IN THE RFI. IT'S, WE'RE GONNA TAKE ALL THE INFORMATION, UM, AND SYNTHESIZE ALL THE INFORMATION AND HOPEFULLY THROUGH SOME ITERATIVE PROCESS, COME UP WITH A PLAN, UM, THAT COULD LEAD TO THE NEXT STEP, WHICH WOULD BE THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL. UH, SO AFTER GATHERING ALL THE INFORMATION, A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL WOULD BE MORE DEFINITIVE. IT WOULD PROBABLY LIST THE TYPES OF, UM, OPERATING STRUCTURES OR LEASE STRUCTURES THAT THE CITY'S INTERESTED IN. IT WOULD BE MORE DEFINED ON, UH, THE SIZE OF THE VENUE, THE LEASE, UM, OR USE AREA OF THE VENUE. UM, LIKELY HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT THE CITY'S WILLING TO DO, UM, FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. UM, SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT COULD HELP SUPPORT THE SUPPORT THE PROGRAM. UM, TIME FRAMING. THE TIMEFRAME WE DO AN RFI, UM, YOU'RE GONNA PUT IT OUT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST 30 DAYS, USUALLY UP TO 90 DAYS. YOU COULD BE A LITTLE LONGER. UM, THEN IT TAKES STAFF USUALLY A MONTH OR SO TO GATHER ALL THAT INFORMATION AND TRY TO EVALUATE IT. UM, IN THE RFI PROCESS, THERE IS OPPORTUNITIES TO ASK QUESTIONS AND GET RESPONSES BACK FROM THE CITY, WHICH WOULD GO TO ALL THE RESPONDENTS [00:35:01] WHO CAN THEN DO THE SAME, UM, AND USE THAT SAME INFORMATION TO INFLUENCE THEIR RESPONSE TO AN RFI. UM, AFTER THAT MONTH OF, OF, YOU KNOW, GATHERING ALL THAT INFORMATION FROM THE RFI, UH, STAFF WOULD COME TO COUNCIL. SO IF CURRENTLY WE LISTED THE RFIS EXPIRING IN SEPTEMBER 30TH, THAT'D GIVE COUNTS OR STAFF, YOU KNOW, OCTOBER TO PREPARE, UH, INFORMATION COME TO COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER. UH, ONE OF THE TWO MEETINGS IN NOVEMBER FOR FIRST DISCUSSION. IF COUNCIL LIKED WHAT THEY WERE HEARING, THEY COULD PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION. UM, STAFF COULD GO BACK AND FURTHER DEVELOP THE INFORMATION. AND THEN IT WOULD BE, UH, LIKELY JANUARY WOULD, I WOULD SAY, WOULD BE THE TIMEFRAME WHEN THEY WOULD COME BACK A SECOND TIME TO COUNCIL TO SEE IF COUNCIL WANTED TO ISSUE AN RFP. UH, SO THAT WOULD BE A QUICK TIMEFRAME. IT COULD TAKE LONGER. UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE TIMEFRAME FOR ISSUE. AND AN R-F-R-F-P-A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, LIKE I SAID, IS MORE, UH, DETAILED AND IS THE INTENT IN AN RFP IS TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT AT THE END OF IT. UH, WHEREAS THE RFI IS PURELY JUST GATHERING INFORMATION. SO IN THE, IN THE RFI PROCESS, WE ARE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO, TO TELL US WHAT THEY NEED. RIGHT. TELL US WHAT, IF ANY, RESTRICTIONS CAUSE ISSUES. SO WE CAN CONSIDER WHETHER WE WANNA CHANGE THEM OR NOT, BUT TO GIVE US AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE ABOUT WHAT WOULD WORK, WHAT WOULD NOT WORK, AND RECOMMENDATIONS. ABSOLUTELY. JUST SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE DOING. OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR KURT MELISSA. UM, SO IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, THE LETTER OF INTENT, WHICH WE JUST RAN THROUGH VERY QUICKLY, UM, IS NOT BETWEEN THE CITY AND ANY GIVEN ENTITY. IT'S BASICALLY OPEN-ENDED BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE MORE THAN ONE ENTITY COME AND THEY COULD ALL HAVE THEIR OWN IDEAS OF WHAT SHOULD BE IN THE LETTER OF INTENT. IS THAT, SO ARE WE GONNA KEEP CHANGING THIS? NO. NO. SO THE GOAL HERE IS TO GET ONE LETTER OF INTENT, UM, ONE FORM, UH, THAT THE CITY COULD ISSUE TO ANY INTERESTED PARTY TO USE TO HELP THEM IN THEIR FACT FINDING MISSION. UH, SO THE, THIS HAS, THESE ARE THE RES, THIS IS THE VERSION THAT WAS IN, NOT IN BLUE, BUT THE, WITHOUT THE ONES IN BLUE, WITHOUT THE BLUE RED LINE THERE. UH, THIS WAS THE VERSION THAT WAS IN COUNCIL PACKET. WE RECEIVED COMMENTS BACK ON THAT FROM THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK 2.0. PEOPLE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS BACK ON ANY, UM, FROM ANYONE ELSE ON THIS VERSION. SO THAT'S WHY I INCLUDED THIS JUST FOR, FOR TRANSPARENCY AS TO WHAT, UH, ONE INTERESTED PARTY WAS INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS. ONCE THIS IS FINALIZED, COUNCILOR DUNN, IT DOESN'T CHANGE. WE WILL ISSUE THE EXACT SAME ONE TO ANYONE WHO WANTS IT. OKAY. THANK YOU, PETE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO, KURT, YOU'RE IN THE STAFF REPORT THIS, AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, THAT CONTEMPLATES BOTH THAT LOI AND THIS RFI PROCESS. AND IF THE COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD WITH THAT, DOES AN LOI NEED TO BE SIGNED TO RESPOND TO THE RFI? UH, NO. IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT OF THE RFI. UM, ANYONE IS FREE TO, UH, RESPOND TO THE RFI WITHOUT SIGNING THE LOI. UH, THE LOI IS REALLY MOSTLY JUST SIGNED BY THE CITY MANAGER. I PUT IN A LINE THERE FOR THE RESPONDENT TO SIGN AND ACKNOWLEDGE. 'CAUSE I LIKE FOR THEM TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT'S NOT BINDING AND NON-EXCLUSIVE. UH, THAT'S PRIMARILY WHY THAT'S THERE. SO AS THE MAYOR TALKED ABOUT, THE RFI IS WHAT SEEMS TO ME TO BE THE OPERATIVE THING ON THE STREET. THIS IS THE CALL TO WHOEVER TO COME AND GIVE US SOME INFORMATION AND RESPOND. AND THERE'S A PROCESS IN THE INSTRUCTIONS TO RESPOND TO THE RFI ARE PEOPLE RESPONDING TO THE LOI, WHAT CAN, CAN YOU PLEASE STILL HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THE OPERATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE LOI IS? YEAH, THE, THE LOI IS JUST, UH, IT'S REALLY A SHORTHAND FOR THE RFI IN THIS CASE. UH, IT'S A TWO PAGE VERSION OF THE RFI THAT ANY INTERESTED PERSON COULD TAKE TO A PARTY, A, UM, AN EVENT VENUE OPERATOR PERHAPS, AND SAY, LOOK, THE CITY'S EXPLORING THIS, UM, AND GIVE THIS TO THEM AS A FIRST GO. AND CAN WE HAVE A MEETING AND DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENTION, UM, OF THE LOI IS TO, TO BE, UH, THE, THE INITIAL, UM, EXPLORATION, UH, THE RESPONSE WOULD BE TO THE RFI, YOU'RE CORRECT, COUNSELOR. AND, AND IN NO WAY ARE WE ASSIGNING A HIGHER PRIORITY IN THESE RESPONSES TO THE RFI OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED AN LOI. CORRECT. THERE'S, [00:40:01] THERE'S NO RES UM, SO IN THAT RESPECT, YEAH, THERE, THERE'S NO BENEFIT TO RESPONDENTS TO HAVE, HAVE, HAVE SIGNED THE LOI OR NOT. UH, THAT'S THERE PURELY FOR THEIR USE IF THEY FEEL IT'S NECESSARY IN THEIR, UH, EXPLORATION. CHARLOTTE, CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THERE WERE SEVERAL DOCUMENTS IN THE RFI, UM, INCLUDING THE ORIGINAL 1995 AND WELL, 95. 95 YES. AND 2002 ZONING DOCUMENTS. UM, AMONG THOSE, SO I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE. IT WAS, UH, REQUIRING THAT, UM, THE OPERATOR AFTER TWO YEARS OF OPERATION WOULD COME BACK AND, AND GIVE SOME KIND OF REVISED, UM, TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT, REVISED SOUND LEVEL CONTROL PLAN. DID THOSE EVER OCCUR? NO. SO THE, I THINK THOSE CAME IN, IN THE 2002 ZONING AMENDMENTS THAT AMENDED THE ZONING CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. AND BY 2003, THEY HAD CEASED OPERATING AND SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DUE UNTIL 2004. OKAY. SO WE, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, REAL WORLD IMPACTS TO LOOK AT. NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY REPORTS, STUDIES OR REPORTS FROM THAT TIME PERIOD TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT SOUND LEVELS WERE OR TRAFFIC. OKAY. UM, JUST ANECDOTAL STORES. OKAY. AND THE CONCERT EVENTS AT THE TIME IN THOSE DOCUMENTS WERE LIMITED. UM, AND, BUT THOSE ARE THE EXISTING DOCUMENTS. THOSE ARE STILL THE EXISTING DOCUMENTS. SO THEY STILL CONTROL, UH, RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S WHAT, UH, IS THE LIMITATION ON THE PROPERTY IS, UM, PRIMARILY THOSE 2002 CONDITION OF APPROVALS. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT RESPONSES TO THE RFI WOULD SPEAK TO THOSE, UH, LIMITATIONS AND WHETHER THOSE WERE GONNA BE, UM, YEAH, WE SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED THEM SO THAT RESPONDENTS WERE AWARE OF THEM AND IF THEY ARE TOO RESTRICTIVE OR GONNA, YOU KNOW, CAUSE ANY ISSUES WITH, UH, RENOVATING AND REDEVELOPING THE SITE, UH, WE WOULD KNOW AND THEY COULD TELL US. AND SO WE'D KNOW THAT WHETHER A REZONE IS NECESSARY OR NOT. MM-HMM . OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD MAD MAYOR ALYSSA. SO, UM, YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE MAP, THE SORT OF BUBBLE DIAGRAM KIND OF MAP. I WAS GONNA ASK YOU IF YOU WANTED TO, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO PUT THAT UP SO PEOPLE COULD SEE WHAT YOU WERE REFERENCING WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT. SURE. I WILL LOOK, KEEP, KEEP TALKING . OKAY. UM, I THINK I UPLOADED THAT ONE, BUT I SHOULD HAVE, SO I HAVE, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO FIRST, UM, THAT REPRESENTS THE CURRENT USE OF THE LAND, SO NOT INCLUDING THAT IN ESSENCE IS NOT ALLOWING EVERYONE TO SEE WHERE THERE'S CURRENTLY USES OF THE LAND. IS THAT CORRECT? LIKE, I'D HEARD THE STATEMENT THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT INCLUDED, BUT NOT INCLUDING THAT MEANS ANYONE ELSE LOOKING TO DO AN IN AN INTEREST DOESN'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT THOSE ARE ALREADY IN PLAY. CORRECT. CORRECT. SO THAT, THAT'S PART OF OUR, OUR VIEW FROM STAFF IS, AND IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THE REC CENTER ON THE EAST SIDE OF CULTURAL PARK PLACE GOING IN, THAT WOULD JUST SEEM KIND OF LIKE A LOGICAL PLACE TO PLACE IT IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT COUNCIL DECIDES. BUT, UH, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THERE. IT COULD BE SOMEWHERE ELSE. UH, CIF IS INTERESTED IN PRESENTED TO COUNCIL ON THAT LOCATION. UH, WE DIDN'T KNOW THE SIZE. THEY STILL DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE SIZE. UH, THEY BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT THAT FIVE ACRES AND, UM, ARE LOOKING TO GET, UH, A SURVEY AND A, AND A, UM, APPRAISAL DONE, UM, TO KNOW WHAT THE, THE FAIR MARKET RENT MIGHT BE ON THAT, ON A PER SQUARE FOOT BASIS. UM, AND SO THO THOSE ARE IN PLAY RIGHT NOW. THAT WAS THE LAST DIRECTION WE SHOULD, WE, WE RECEIVED FROM COUNSEL. AND, AND SO UNTIL WE'VE RECEIVED DIRECTION OTHERWISE FROM COUNSEL, UH, THAT'S WHERE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT REMAINS, UH, VISIBLE TO OTHER RESPONDENTS. SO, SO THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU, BUT EVENTUALLY A QUESTION FOR COUNSEL. AND THAT IS, UH, YOU, YOU MENTIONED HERE ABOUT THE SURVEY AND THAT THE SURVEY HAS THREE ITEMS THAT ARE OF HIGHER VALUE, UM, IN THE, IN THE LISTING TO THE AMPHITHEATER, WHICH WE DID NOT DISCUSS WHEN THE SURVEY ITSELF, I BROUGHT IT UP, BUT IT WAS NEVER DISCUSSED AND NO DIRECTION WAS EVER GIVEN TO STAFF. SO THIS IS FOR YOU AS A LEGAL QUESTION. IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AS COUNSEL AND CHOOSE TO GIVE DIRECTION OR NOT GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF REGARDING THOSE THREE OTHER ELEMENTS? UH, YES. YOUR AGENDAS TODAY TO DISCUSS THE WESTERN GATEWAY AND THE USES [00:45:01] AVAILABLE AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY. THOSE, THE ENTIRE SECTION OF THE POLL, ALL THE DIFFERENT ITEMS, INCLUDING HOUSING AND RESTAURANTS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, LARGELY REJECTED, WERE, UM, IN THE COUNCIL PACKET. AND YOU'RE FREE TO DISCUSS THOSE. SO THEN I GUESS THE QUESTION TO COUNCIL IS, IS THERE INTEREST IN THIS COUNCIL THIS EVENING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE THREE ITEMS AND HOW WE WOULD OR WOULD NOT WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM? AND WE CAN DO THAT LATER. I, I THINK THIS IS THE QUESTION TIME FOR QUESTIONS. PERHAPS WE CAN GET BACK TO THAT. YEAH, I JUST, I JUST WAS ASKING IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST FOR US TO EVEN PURSUE THIS DURING THIS, THIS TIME. THAT'S ALL. I ACTUALLY DON'T SEE A WAY TO AVOID IT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE THING COMPREHENSIVELY. SO I ASSUME THAT'LL BE PART OF OUR CONVERSATION. OKAY. ARE YOU DONE, MELISSA? ? BRIAN? SO KURT, YOU PUT TOGETHER, ALONG WITH STAFF, UM, THE TWO DOCUMENTS. NOW THERE'S BEEN BACK AND FORTH, NOW THERE'S, UH, REQUESTED, UH, RED LINE, BLUE LINE, WHATEVER COLOR, UH, AS OF TODAY THAT AT LEAST SOME OF US ARE ONLY SEEING AS WE'RE SITTING HERE RIGHT NOW. SO WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDED PROCESS FOR WORKING THROUGH THESE DOCUMENTS THIS EVENING? LIKE, ARE WE, ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FINALIZE THEM? DO YOU THINK IT'S PRUDENT TO TRY TO FINALIZE? UH, HOW WOULD YOU RECOMMEND WE MOVE FORWARD HERE? UH, SO, UH, VICE MAYOR, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH MOVING FORWARD RIGHT NOW, THE LANGUAGE, ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, BLUE LINE LANGUAGE UP HERE. UM, AND WE CAN TAKE TIME TO GO THROUGH IT MORE IF YOU WANT. I'M TRYING TO ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT TO HELP YOU OUT AS WELL. GET IT. THIS WAS JUST SENT OVER TODAY, UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T SENT TO YOU. WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN IN MEETINGS, UH, BUT THIS LANGUAGE RIGHT HERE IS, YOU KNOW, UM, DOESN'T CHANGE, UH, NECESSARILY ANY OF THE FACTS. IT REARRANGES IT AND STATES IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. IT DOES ADD IN, UH, REFERENCE TO CIF, WHICH I THINK IS A POSITIVE CHANGE. UM, AND SO, AND THEN THIS ONE DOWN HERE, UM, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE SUBSTANTIVE, NOT TALKING ABOUT A LEASE, BUT JUST TALKING ABOUT RENOVATION AND OPERATING STRUCTURE. AN OPERATING STRUCTURE COULD INCLUDE LEASE. I THINK OPERATING STRUCTURE WOULD ALSO INCLUDE MAINTENANCE. UH, SO PERHAPS IT WAS A LITTLE REDUNDANT BEFOREHAND STATING ALL FOUR, AND THIS IS JUST MORE, EXCUSE ME, KURT, BUT SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING DOWN INTO THE WEEDS OF IT RIGHT NOW. WE'RE DONE BECAUSE THIS IS IT. I'M, I'M JUST ASKING HOW DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD GO THROUGH THIS? UH, I THINK WE CAN GO, IT'S UP TO COUNSEL. WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS NOW OR WE CAN, UM, YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH TODAY. THE LAST CHANGE WAS, UH, DELETING FAIR MARKET VALUE AND THEN THE MAP. SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE READY TO GET DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TODAY ON THIS, UH, RATHER THAN COMING BACK IN ANOTHER MONTH. JUST, JUST QUICKLY, PAGE 1 23 AND THE PACKET HAS THE MAP. WE'RE GONNA YEAH, UPLOAD IT TO THE PRESENTATION FOLDER. THE PACKET'S NOT AVAILABLE ON THE, ON THE PROJECTOR. WE GOOD? THANK YOU. REGARDING THE MOST RECENT REVISED DRAFT, THAT THIS, THERE, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE. SO I, READING IT ON THE SCREEN IS VERY DIFFICULT. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO RESEND TO US NOW SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT OUR COMPUTERS EXACTLY WHAT LANGUAGE WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH? 'CAUSE I THINK THAT THE DEVIL ISN'T THE DETAILS HERE AND WE NEED TO REALLY GO THROUGH LANGUAGE. HAPPY TO FORWARD IT RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. WELL, I WOULD NEED A PRINTED COPY AND I CAN PRINT YOU A COPY AS WELL. PETE, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, WELL, YES. I WOULD PREFER ALSO TO BE HEARING CLEARLY FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS REGARDING THE LANGUAGE CHANGES. I'M SORRY, COUNCILOR FURMAN, WHAT WAS THAT? I, I WOULD APPRECIATE HEARING CLEARLY FROM YOU WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION AS STAFF IS ABOUT THE CHANGES. OKAY. CERTAINLY. LET ME EMAIL THAT FIRST SO I CAN GET IT IN FRONT OF MOST OF YOU. AND THEN I CAN PRINT AND YOU SEND, JUST IF YOU COULD SEND IT ONLY ONE WAY AS OPPOSED TO PDFN WORD. BECAUSE , MY COMPUTER'S DROWNING IN OPEN SCREENS HERE. . ALL RIGHT. [00:50:08] ALL RIGHT. MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I JUST EMAILED YOU THE YEAH, WE GOT IT CHANGES. AND THEN COUNCILLOR HUI, WE WILL PRINT. I, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE CHANGES, KURT. YES IT DOES. WELL, HUH? I SEE IT. I DON'T YOU'RE ON IPAD TABLET. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. YOU HAVE A PRINTED COPY FOR THE MAYOR AS WELL, PLEASE. TWO COPIES. WELL, IF I PUT IT IN WORD, I THINK I CAN GET IT. OKAY. YES. UM, WHILE WE'RE, I'VE GOT IT. WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THOSE, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, HERE'S THE UH, 2006 WESTERN GATEWAY SITE PLAN. UH, WE WERE FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RFI, UH, REFERRING TO THE AMPHITHEATER LEASE AREA AS THE CULTURAL PARK. UM, AND THEN LEAVING THE REST OF IT, UH, CALLING IT THE WESTERN GATEWAY. UM, AND THEN THIS WAS, AS YOU SEE IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, THE RESERVE FOR OPEN SPACE SLOPE PROTECTION, UH, VIEW SHED PROTECTION AS WELL. UM, THE 5.88 ACRES, AND THESE ARE ALL VERY TENTATIVE NUMBERS. UH, WE USE THE CITY'S GIS AND DREW KIND OF A SHADED AREA. AND THAT'S, THOSE, THEY LOOK VERY ACCURATE, YOU KNOW, TO THE, UH, WHAT IS THAT? THOUSANDS OF AN ACRE. UM, BUT THEY'RE, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST, UH, KIND OF, UH, AN ESTIMATION. SO, UH, SUBTRACTING ALL OF THOSE LEAVES YOU JUST 4.9 SOMETHING AC ACRES, OR 24.9 ACRES FOR THE AMPHITHEATER LEASE AREA, WHICH WE JUST ROUNDED UP TO, UP TO 25 ACRES. THAT'S WHERE THE 25 ACRES CAME FROM. SO THIS IS THE, UH, EXHIBIT, UM, THAT, UH, WAS PROPOSED TO BE STRUCK BY THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK 2.0 ORGANIZATION. SO THE RED LINE IS, ARE THE ONLY CHANGES. OH, MM-HMM . OKAY. SO I HAVE A COMMENT ON ONE OF THE CHANGES OR QUESTIONS. WE SHOULD PROBABLY PUT THE LANGUAGE ON THE SCREEN AS BEST WE CAN FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE AUDIENCE. AND ARE YOU GOING IN ORDER MAYOR OF THE CHANGES OR ARE YOU JUST STARTING WHERE YOU HAVE CHANGE VERSUS LOOKING AT IT? WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH, NOT IN ORDER, 'CAUSE IT'S THE ONLY PLACE. I HAVE A QUESTION SO FAR, WHICH IS THAT IT'S IN THE, IN 2002, THAT PARAGRAPH THE CITY PURCHASED THE 41 ACRE CULTURAL PARK. YES. DO YOU SEE THAT PARAGRAPH? YES. OKAY. SO THEN SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE WAS ADDED, WHICH STARTS AS A COMPLIMENT TO THE AMPHITHEATER REVITALIZATION. DO YOU SEE THAT? YEP. OKAY. WITHIN THE CULTURAL PARK, THE CITY COUNCIL IS ACTIVELY REVIEWING PLANS FOR A STATE-OF-THE-ART MOVIE THEATER COMPLEX FROM THE SEDONA INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL, ESTABLISHING THE PARK AS A COHESIVE PREMIER ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DESTINATION. WE DON'T HAVE RECREATION IN THERE. AND I BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE IN THERE AND IT CERTAINLY IS IN THE INITIATIVE. AND IF THE INITIATIVE PASSES, THEN IT BECOMES THE LAW OF THE LAND. AND SO THIS NEEDS TO BE COMPLIANT, I WOULD THINK. DO YOU WANT THAT LISTED FIRST? PREMIER RECREATION, ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY? WELL, JUST ADDING RECREATION IN THERE. SO DO I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO INSERT AFTER PREMIER ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DESTINATION RECREATE PUBLIC RECREATION? YEAH. OR PUBLIC BENEFIT. I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T LIKE TO WORDSMITH ON THE DIOCESE, YOU KNOW? I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW A RULES DISCOURAGEMENT. YES. BUT I WANNA KNOW WHERE WOULD BE. YES, BECAUSE THE CONTEXT, AND MAYBE IT'S STILL NOT BIG AND IT'S THE, I PUT IT RIGHT THERE, PREMIER. I WAS GONNA PUT PUBLIC RECREATION, RECREATION, ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DESTINATION THAT WOULD SATISFY ME. ANY OTHER CONCERNS WITH THE LANGUAGE? I NEED A MINUTE. [00:55:01] YEAH, TAKE, TAKE YOUR TIME. I THINK WE SHOULD REINSERT EXHIBIT C FOR THE REASONS THAT YOU GAVE, WHICH WAS EXHIBIT SEVEN MAP THE, UH, WESTERN GATEWAY SITE PLANS. AS LONG AS WE'RE CLEAR THAT IT'S A DRAFT OR YOU KNOW, IT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED, BUT IT'S A WORKING DOCUMENT, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS FOR THAT? DO WE WANT, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT? YES. LEMME ASK A QUESTION. JUST GENERALLY, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? SO, KURT, WHAT HAPPENS IF COUNSEL DECIDES WE WANT TO HAVE STAFF INVESTIGATE THE THREE OTHER OPTIONS? UM, AND THAT GOES BEYOND FIVE ACRES, THEN THAT REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF SPACE AVAILABLE FOR THE AMPHITHEATER. BUT THIS IS NOW A MEMBER PART OF THE LOI, BUT IT IS A WORKING DOCUMENT. SO CAN IT BE CHANGED LIKE THAT ON THE FLY OR, YES. SO THE RFI, UM, CAN BE AMENDED, UM, OR RESCINDED, UH, AT ANY TIME. SO THE CITY CAN, UH, ISSUE AN AMENDMENT TO IT AND SAY, UM, AND EXPLAIN WHY. UH, AND SO IT'S NO LONGER UP TO 25 ACRES, IT'S UP TO 20 ACRES NOW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. KURT, MAY I ASK WHY FAIR MARKET WAS STRUCK OUT? I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. THAT, UM, I MEAN, IT FEELS ME LIKE IT'S, IT IS ABOUT BEING FAIR MARKET REVENUE, NOT JUST REVENUE. 'CAUSE REVENUE COULD BE BELOW WHAT FAIR MARKET MIGHT BE. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYONE ELSE ON COUNCIL FEELS. KATHY, THIS GOES BACK TO MELISSA'S POINT OVER EARLIER, WHICH IF WE'RE USING LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT SAYS, WHERE IS IT AS A COMPLIMENT TO THE AMPHITHEATERS REVITALIZATION WITHIN THE CULTURAL PARK? THE CITY COUNCIL IS ACTIVELY REVIEWING PLANS FOR STATE OF THE ART MOVIE THEATER COMPLEX FROM THE SEDONA NATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL, ESTABLISHING A PARK AS A COHESIVE PREMIER ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DESTINATION. THAT PART, IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE ANY KIND OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, DOES THAT NEED TO BE ENUMERATED IN HERE? BECAUSE IN, IN MY MIND, JUST ANY PLACE I'VE GONE TO THAT'S BEEN A DESTINATION, YOU KNOW, ENTERTAINMENT AREA HAS HAD, YOU KNOW, SUCH AS GLENDALE OR WHATEVER, MIXES THESE USES. BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE COMPLIMENTARY USES THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO USERS OF THESE OTHER, UM, CHARACTERISTICS THERE. WHERE SHOULD THAT NOT BE ADDRESSED? I MEAN, AND THEN HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE BUBBLE MAP WITH THE ACREAGE? I MEAN, IT'S ALL TIED IN, WHICH GOES TO YOUR POINT OF EARLIER. UM, BUT BY NOT HAVING SOMETHING IN HERE THAT, THAT, UM, SPEAKS TO COMPLIMENTARY USES, DOES THAT THEN ELIMINATE THEM AS A POSSIBILITY? UH, NO. I DON'T BELIEVE IT ELIMINATES THEM. UH, WE COULD CERTAINLY ADD IN AND SOMETHING AS AS VAGUE AS COMPLIMENTARY USES. MM-HMM . I'D BE HESITANT TO ADD IN. AND RESTAURANTS. RESTAURANTS. MM-HMM . UM, I WAS JUST USING AS AN EXAMPLE. YEAH. COME WITH A WHOLE CLASS OF REQUIREMENTS AND THEIR OWN PARKING ISSUES AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO THAT ONE WOULD BE HARD TO FIT ON THE SITE, I BELIEVE. SO I JUST WANNA LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT MIGHT BE A PART OF A PROPOSAL THAT COMES THROUGH. AND I DON'T WANT SOMETHING, I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO READ THIS AND THINK THAT THE USES ARE LIMITED. YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE IN ANY PROPOSAL THAT MIGHT COME FORTH, IF ANY COME FORTH, NOR SHOULD THEY FEEL THAT THEY NEED TO RESPOND TO THOSE USES. CORRECT. IT'S RIGHT. IT'S DOUBLE-SIDED. WELL, IN AN RFI, YOU DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND TO, YOU COULD RESPOND TO WHATEVER YOU WANT IN TERMS OF THE RFI, BUT MELISSA. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE SURVEY. AND THE SURVEY SAID COMMERCIAL USES LIKE RESTAURANTS WAS NOT VERY FAVORABLE. SO IF THEY'RE COMING IN AND SAYING THEY WANNA PUT IN A RESTAURANT, IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA GET COMPLICATED HERE. , UH, WE DIDN'T, WE SAID COMMERCIAL USES, WE DIDN'T SAY SUCH AS RESTAURANTS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT COMMERCIAL USES WERE [01:00:01] WHEN THEY JUST SAID COMMERCIAL. IS IT IN THE INITIATIVE? HMM? IS IT IN THE INITIATIVE? IS IT IN THE INITIATIVE? BUT NOT IN THE SURVEY. JUST CURIOUS. NO, CIF, WHEN THEY PRESENTED TO US, SAID THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE FOOD AVAILABLE. SO CAN WE GO BACK TO MY QUESTION ON FAIR MARKET? YEAH. SO, UM, HOW DOES ANYONE FEEL ABOUT THE FACT THAT FAIR MARKET TO ME, JUST, THAT'S JUST THE WAY YOU TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS. FAIR MARKET VALUE FOR FAIR MARKET, UM, REVENUE. IT, IT JUST FEELS LIKE STRIKING IT OUT MEANS THAT RE AS LONG AS YOU'RE MAKING REVENUE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AT THE FAIR MARKET. IF YOU TAKE THAT OUT, COMMENT. CITY ATTORNEY I HAD DRAFTED IN THE FAIR MARKET THAT SEEMED TO BE MORE CORRESPONDING WITH WHAT, UH, COUNSEL HAD DIRECTED. UM, UP TO THAT POINT IS, UM, UP TO THIS POINT THAT THEY HAD WANTED IT TO BE AT NO COST TO THE CITY. SO IT DOES SAY THAT ALREADY IN THERE. UM, BUT WE HAD BOTH, BOTH THE REVENUE SIDE AND THE COST SIDE BEING, UM, NEUTRAL TO THE CITY. I MISS THAT. I HAD, I I LIKE THE FAIR MARKET LANGUAGE. I DRAFTED IT, I HAD PUT IT IN TO BE SURE. . THERE YOU GO. THAT'S PLAIN. BUT IT'S COUNCIL'S, COUNCIL'S, UH, LETTER OF INTENT. SO, UH, I'LL TAKE DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL. IS IT TO THIS POINT? YEAH. OKAY. IT'S UM, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT LEAVING IT IN, WHICH I LIKE THE IDEA OF LEAVING IT IN, IT CAN ALSO BE A POINT OF REBUTTAL OR RESPONSE BY WHOEVER LOOKS AT THIS TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE FIRST FEW YEARS, IT MAY NOT BE FAIR MARKET, IT MAY BE BLAH, BLAH BLAH OR WHATEVER, HOWEVER THEY WANNA RESPOND TO IT. BUT IT CREATES AN EXPECTATION AT LEAST. SO I LIKE THE WORDING. SO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON THAT. YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH, WE HAVE CONSENSUS. AND THEN KURT, JUST TO REITERATE IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH, THE N 1995 PARAGRAPH, WITH THOSE CHANGES, YOU'RE OKAY WITH ALL THE IT, THOSE DO JUST APPEAR TO BE WORDING CHANGES. YES. I ALSO, UM, NO, PARKING IS A BIG ISSUE HERE IN, AND WE DON'T REALLY, LEMME SEE. MAYBE IN THE RFI THERE'S MORE ABOUT IT NOTHING IN THE LOI ABOUT PARKING THAT I SEE. YEP. UH, SORRY TO THAT IF YOU DON'T MIND. UM, SO WHAT SHOULD IT SAY THAT, SHOULD THERE BE SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, A PARKING PLAN HAS TO COME FORTH WITH ANY, ANY HAS A COMPONENT OF THE RFII MEAN, I THINK THERE, FOR ME, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A PARKING PLAN FOR IT TO BE ABLE TO BE REALLY REVIEWED. THAT'S IN THE RFI IT IS IN THERE SPECIFICALLY. SPECIFICALLY, YES. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. SO, CHARLOTTE, OKAY. UM, IN THAT, IN THAT PARAGRAPH THAT WOULD NOW BEGIN THE CITY NOW DESIRES, UM, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CF I'M WONDERING IF IS ACTIVELY REVIEWING PLANS, WHAT THAT ACTUALLY, WHAT THAT MIGHT SUGGEST TO SOMEONE? I MEAN, I, I KNOW WE ARE IN A REVIEWED INFORMATION GATHERING PHASE WITH CIF, BUT I LOOK AT IT AS A COMMITMENT. WE HAVE MADE, UH, CERTAINLY AN INTENT TO HAVE CIF BE THERE. AND I JUST WONDER IF ACTIVELY REVIEWING PLANS ADEQUATELY EXPRESSES THAT COMMITMENT. DOES IT TO YOU? I DON'T, I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT FUR, UH, STRONGER LANGUAGE THERE, MAYBE. WELL, WHERE ARE WE WITH CIF? WE HAVEN'T APPROVED IT. YEAH. COUNCIL'S ONLY DIRECTED STAFF TO GO FORWARD AND INVESTIGATE. SO WE'RE KIND OF IN THE RFI PHASE WITH CIF. UM, SO THERE'S NOTHING SET IN STONE YET? NO PROMISES HAVE BEEN MADE ON EITHER [01:05:01] SIDE. THEY'RE JUST ACTIVELY REVIEWING PLANS. IF ANYTHING. IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT. , THEY, THEY WE'RE WAITING FOR THEM TO, WE, I I, I GOTTA TAKE THAT BACK. THEY HAVE PROPOSED SOME PLANS, UH, WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT HASN'T MADE IT OUTSIDE OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT REALLY? UM, AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT THE, YOU KNOW, AN APPRAISAL IN A, IN A SURVEY FOR A LEASE AREA. SO, BUT THERE'S BEEN, UH, OUTSIDE OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OTHER CITY DEPARTMENT, CERTAINLY NOT COUNCIL HAS SEEN THOSE PLANS YET. SO IT'S NOT INACCURATE WHERE IT'S AT RIGHT NOW. WHERE, WHERE IT STATES THAT THE CITY'S, I GUESS MAYBE IT WOULDN'T BE THE CITY COUNCIL. IT WOULD BE THE CITY IS ACTIVELY REVIEWING PLANS. MIGHT BE MORE ACCURATE. YEAH. 'CAUSE WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT , BUT I, I DON'T WANT TO SEND A ALARMING MESSAGE TO THE FILM FESTIVAL THAT WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T WANNA SEND AN ALARMING MESSAGE TO THEM, MELISSA. SO, UM, THE EXHIBITS IN THAT SAME LINE, ARE THE EXHIBITS THE SAME AS EXHIBITS IN OUR PACKET? IT SAYS EXHIBIT B. OH, SORRY. BACK IN THAT SAME LINE. SAME LINE. IT SAYS EXHIBIT B. ARE THE EXHIBITS THE SAME AS THE EXHIBITS IN OUR PACKET? BECAUSE THAT WOULD NOT BE BB IS VENUE PHOTOS FROM APRIL OF 2026. OH. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE RFI VERSUS THE LOI, OH MY GOSH. AND THEY , WE JUST HAD THAT CONVERSATION. , THEY DO OVERLAP, UM, DIFFERENT, UM, EXHIBITS, SO THEY REPEAT AND WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE 'EM IN BOTH. UM, BUT THERE'S CERTAIN ONES WE WANTED IN EXHIBIT IN THE LOI, WHICH WAS THE ZONING, THE ORIGINAL MASTER SITE PLAN AND THE, THE WESTERN GATEWAY PLAN. SO, AND IN FACT, I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, WE MUST HAVE SOMEWHERE GOT A DIFFERENT VERSION. 'CAUSE THE EXHIBIT C WAS LISTED IN HERE IN, UM, BACKGROUND AND PURPOSE. LET'S SEE, FEASIBILITY OF REDEVELOPING. SO RESTORING THE CULTURE PARK AMPHITHEATER. IT USED TO SAY IN THE PACKET IT SAYS UP TO 25 ACRES SIDE. OKAY. SO WE CAN GET RID OF THE CULTURAL PARK. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR KIRK? 'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE CARDS AND OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC AS SOON AS WE FINISH THIS ONE SECTION. I DUNNO IF IT WAS A QUESTION, BUT DID WE RESOLVE THE, HOW TO ADDRESS THE POTENTIAL FOR OTHER USES AND IT NEEDED TO BE INCORPORATED IN THIS OR NOT? IT'S GOING TO WRITE SOMETHING RIGHT NOW, IS WHAT I'M THINKING. I THINK, I THINK YOU SAID THE LANGUAGE YOU WERE GOING TO CONSIDER WAS COMPLIMENTARY USES JUST PUT INCLUDING COMPLIMENTARY, COMPLIMENTARY USES AND LEAVE THAT OPEN. I, YEAH. I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THIS BEING BROAD AT THIS STAGE AS WE ARE JUST SEEKING INPUT WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE, THE ZONING. IS THERE EQUIVALENT CHANGES IN THE RFI THAT WE'RE MAKING? LESS SO NOW THAT YOU'VE PAIRED SOME OF THESE BACK. UM, BUT WE WOULD REVIEW THE TWO FOR CONSISTENCY, UM, BEFORE THEY WERE ISSUED. OKAY. SO WE READY TO GO TO THE PUBLIC? YEAH. OKAY. HERB TIFFANY NUMBER ONE, FOLLOWED BY TIM PERRY AND THEN JEN MAY. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNSEL. I'M HERB TIFFANY. I RESIDE IN CORNFIELD AS A CONTRACTOR. MY JOB IS TO LOOK PAST THE CONCEPTS AND DEAL IN HARD NUMBERS, STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AND LOGISTICAL REALITIES. WE HAVE CONDUCTED EXTENSIVE PHASE BY PHASE BUDGETARY ESTIMATES TO DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO RESTORE THE SEDONA AMPHITHEATER TO A WORLD-CLASS STANDARD. OUR BUDGETARY ESTIMATES PROVIDE A CLEAR PATHWAY TO THE RENOVATION EFFORTS REQUIRED. PHASE ONE ACRES, BASIC SITE WORK, STAGE RENOVATION, AND ESSENTIAL UTILITY RESTORATION. PHASE TWO EXPANDS TERRACE LAWN SEATING TO A CAPACITY JUST OVER 5,000 ADDS BACKSTAGE [01:10:01] INFRASTRUCTURE AND ADDRESSES THE VITAL, UH, AREA PAVING FOR THE PARKING. PHASE THREE COMPLETES THE MASTER VISION WITH THE EAST AND WEST WINGS, THE RESTROOMS AND CONCESSIONS. BUT HERE'S THE CRITICAL POINT. ALL OF OUR CONSTRUCTION DATA COST FORECASTING AND ENGINEERING ASSUMPTIONS ARE ANCHORED DIRECTLY TO THE 1995 ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN. IN THE CONSTRUCTION WORLD. IF YOU CHANGE THE SPATIAL FOOTPRINT, THE BUDGET BASICALLY BECOMES WORTHLESS. BY REMOVING THE RESTRICTIVE 25 ACRE BOUNDARY LINE, WE CAN PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THESE ESTIMATES. PREMIUM OPERATING PARTNERS LOOK AT SITE PLANS THE SAME WAY CONTRACTORS DO. THEY NEED TO SEE THE PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, SPECIFICALLY THE HISTORIC PARKING ALLOCATIONS, SHARE TRANSIT FLOW, AND THE SPACE NECESSARY TO COMPLIMENT THE SEDONA INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL'S THEATER COMPLEX IS LOGISTICALLY MAKE SURE IT'S LOGISTICALLY VIABLE FROM DAY ONE. IF YOU CUT OUT THE PARKING FOOTPRINT REQUIRED BY THE ZONING, YOU DON'T JUST CREATE A TRA TRAFFIC ISSUE, YOU CREATE AN UNBUDGETED MULTIMILLION DOLLAR LOGISTICAL NIGHTMARE THAT WILL CAUSE PREMIER OPERATORS TO IMMEDIATELY PASS ON THIS PROJECT. THE RED LINED LOI BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FIXES THIS. IT PROVIDES A CLEAN, LEGALLY SOUND STRUCTURAL BASELINE. IT TELLS THE MARKET EXACTLY WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION PARAMETERS ARE SO THAT WE CAN ATTRACT WORLD-CLASS PARTNERS TO REFINE THESE MODELS ALONGSIDE US. I STRONGLY URGE COUNSEL TO APPROVE THE LOI WITH THE COLLABORATIVE RED LINES PRESENTED TONIGHT. LET'S BUILD THIS FUTURE TOGETHER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU HERB TIM. GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. THE PROPOSED LETTER OF INTENT AND REQUEST FOR INFORMATION OF THE CULTURAL PART CONTAIN A NUMBER OF VITAL OMISSIONS THAT NEED TO BE RECTIFIED. THE LETTERS NEED TO BE SENT BACK AND REDRAFTED FOR STARTERS. THERE'S NO LANGUAGE IN THESE DOCUMENTS SPECIFYING HOW MUCH TIME THE OPERATOR IS GOING TO HAVE TO RESERVE FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS. THERE'S NO LANGUAGE OUTLINING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OPERATOR TO COLLABORATE WITH LOCAL ARTS ORGANIZATIONS DURING THEIR OPERATION OF THE AMPHITHEATER IN SUCH WAYS AS TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS IN THE WAY THAT THEY WILL ONE DAY SUPPLY THE MAJORITY OF PERFORMERS AT THE CULTURAL PARK. THERE'S NOT EVEN A REQUIREMENT IN THESE DOCUMENTS FOR A MINIMUM NUMBER OF PERFORMANCES BY LOCAL ACTS EACH YEAR. THERE'S NO LANGUAGE THAT REFERS TO DISCOUNTED TICKET PRICING FOR RESIDENTS, NONE THAT TRIES TO CONTROL AND ENSURE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE REMAINS LARGELY UNBUILT. AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER PROBLEMS WITH THE DOCUMENTS THAT WILL PASS OVER FOR NOW. BUT ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS SEEM TO STEM FROM ONE COMMON SOURCE, AND THAT'S COUNCIL'S ONGOING FAILURE TO UNDERSTAND THE ASSIGNMENT AND THEIR ATTEMPT TO FRAME THE CULTURAL PARK REVIVAL IN TERMS OF A COMMERCIAL VENTURE AIMED AT THE LUXURY TOURISM MARKET, RATHER THAN A COMMUNITY VENTURE INTENDED TO BE USED PRIMARILY BY THE COMMUNITY. NOW, AS I RECALL, THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO VOTED FOR THE CULTURAL PARKS REOPENING, VOTED FOR IT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WOULD BECOME PRIMARILY COMMUNITY SPACE. AS THE SURVEY RESULTS INDICATED, THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO GET ON BOARD WITH THE IDEA THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A COMMUNITY SPACE AS THE COMMUNITY HAVE TOLD THEM, OR AS THE, AS THE CARPENTERS MIGHT HAVE SAID, YOU'LL FIND THAT THE FIGHT TO PROTECT THE CULTURAL PARK FROM YOU GUYS HAS ONLY JUST BEGUN. JEN, FOLLOWED BY TIM JESSOP. JENNIFER MAYVILLE IS MY HOME, UH, CITY. UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. FIRST I WANNA EXPRESS OUR SINCERE APPRECIATION TO ALL OF YOU AND CITY MANAGER ANNETTE ICKER AND KURT CHRISTIANSEN FOR THE MONTHS OF COLLABORATION, CONVERSATIONS, AND THOUGHTFUL DIALOGUE SURROUNDING THIS EFFORT. WE ARE ESPECIALLY GRATEFUL FOR THE HIGHLY PRODUCTIVE MEETING THIS MORNING, AND FOR EVERYONE'S OPENNESS AND WILLINGNESS TO WORK TOGETHER ON REFINING THE PROPOSED LETTER OF INTENT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. OUR GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT CREATING A REALISTIC AND LEGALLY SOUND PATHWAY TO DISCOVER WHAT MAY BE POSSIBLE FOR THE FUTURE OF THE SEDONA AMPHITHEATER. THANKS TO OUR CONVERSATION THIS MORNING, WE WERE ABLE TO REDLINE THE LOI IN A WAY THAT TRANSFORMS IT FROM A RESTRICTIVE DOCUMENT INTO A PRACTICAL TOOL FOR ATTRACTING EXPERIENCED OPERATORS, PROMOTERS, AND INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE WILLING TO EVALUATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR. SCP 2.0 IS NOT REQUESTING CONSTRUCTION FUNDING, OPERATIONAL [01:15:01] FUNDING SUBSIDIES, OR TAXPAYER DOLLARS FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA. OUR INTENTION IS TO EXPLORE WHETHER A REVITALIZED AMPHITHEATER COULD BE SUPPORTED THROUGH PRIVATE PHILANTHROPY, SPONSORSHIPS, STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS, AND PROFESSIONAL VENUE OPERATORS TO BRING IN PREMIER WORLD-CLASS OPERATING PARTNERS TO WORK ALONGSIDE SCP 2.0. THIS DOCUMENT MUST CLEARLY SIGNAL THAT THE CITY IS INTERESTED IN BEING A COLLABORATIVE PARTNER AND EXPLORING WHAT MAY BE POSSIBLE IN THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY. TOP TIER OPERATORS TYPICALLY RESPOND TO COMMUNITIES THAT DEMONSTRATE OPENNESS, ALIGNMENT, AND LONG-TERM VISION. BY EVALUATING THE CULTURAL PARK AS A UNIFIED DESTINATION WHERE A REVITALIZED AMPHITHEATER AND A FUTURE SIF COMPLEX COULD COMPLIMENT ONE ANOTHER. SEDONA HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE KIND OF THOUGHTFUL CULTURAL VISION THAT ATTRACTS INSTITUTIONAL GRADE PARTNERS, PRIVATE PHILANTHROPY AND SERIOUS INDUSTRY. IN INTEREST. MODERN VENUES OF THIS SCALE OFTEN SUCCEED THROUGH COLLABORATIVE OPERATING STRUCTURES AND PRIVATE SECTOR PARTICIPATION. INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS NEED A CLEAR SIGNAL THAT SEDONA IS OPEN TO EVALUATING INNOVATIVE OPERATIONAL APPROACHES AND GATHERING LEGITIMATE FEASIBILITY FEASIBILITY DATA. AT THIS STAGE, THE FOCUS IS STRICTLY ON INFORMATION GATHERING AND FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS. THE PURPOSE OF THIS LOI IS SIMPLY TO ALLOW QUALIFIED INDUSTRY EXPERTS TO EVALUATE WHETHER A FINANCIALLY SELF-SUSTAINING MODEL IS POSSIBLE WITHOUT CREATING FINANCIAL BURDEN FOR THE CITY OR ITS TAXPAYERS. IN ADDITION, A THOUGHTFULLY OPERATED AMPHITHEATER HAS THE POTENTIAL TO HELP SUPPORT SEDONAS VALUABLE WORKFORCE BY CREATING STEADIER YEAR-ROUND HOURS AND PAID DURING TRADITIONALLY SLOWER TOURISM SEASONS. BY PROVING THIS LOI WITH THE RED LINES DISCUSSED WITH THE STAFF THIS MORNING, THE CITY IS NOT COMMITTING FUNDING OR FUTURE EXPENDITURES. IT IS SIMPLY AUTHORIZING A PROFESSIONAL FEASIBILITY BASELINE AND SIGNALING THAT SEDONA IS OPEN TO UNDERSTANDING WHAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE. AND LASTLY, THE REASON WE ASKED FOR THE THE C UH, EXHIBIT C TO BE STRUCK WAS THAT AT THIS TIME, THAT'S NOT THE ZONING THAT'S APPROVED. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GO TOWARDS, UM, LOOKING AT WHAT THE ZONING IS CURRENTLY AS WE WALK THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS POSSIBLE. AND THEN AT ANY POINT IN TIME IN THE FUTURE, WHAT WE BRING TO YOU IS WHEN WE MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. THANK YOU, TIM. FOLLOWED BY JOETTA WINTER. I AM A SOUND, SORRY. I'LL PUT THIS ONE BACK. SO, THANK YOU MAYOR HOLLY AND COUNCILMAN, UH, I'M GONNA RELINQUISH MY TIME TO OFFER TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. BEING THAT I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS ROOM WHO'S EVER BEEN ON TOUR WITH A MAJOR ROCK AND ROLL BAND. AND I KNOW HOW THE PROCESS WORKS AND I KNOW WHAT IS CONTEMPORARY. THERE ARE MANY, UM, ISSUES I SEE, UH, IN THE EXHIBITS. I PARTICULARLY A, UH, FROM 1995 AND 2002, THEY'RE ACTUALLY OBSOLETE AT THIS POINT, INNER MEANINGLESS. UH, SO, UM, IF ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME AS A PROFESSIONAL, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. AND I WANT TO MAKE MY TIME AVAILABLE TO YOU IN THE FUTURE AS YOU MOVE FORWARD. AND THE RFI DATA IS COMING IN. UH, I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU AS THIS PROCESS MOVES FORWARD. OKAY. TIM, CAN YOU JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND SAY ? MY NAME IS TIM JESSOP AND I AM A 26 YEAR RESIDENT OF SEDONA, AND I LIVED WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. THANK YOU. WE CAN'T HAVE A BACK AND FORTH WITH YOU. THIS IS NOT A WORK SESSION. MM-HMM . OKAY. BUT THANK YOU FOR MAKING YOURSELF AVAILABLE. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. WE CAN, WE CAN, YEAH. POINT OF ORDER. IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNCILOR KINSELLA WANTS SO, UH, AT COUNCIL'S DISCRETION, YOU CAN, UM, ASK QUESTIONS, ALTHOUGH CUSTOMARILY WE DO NOT AT THIS POINT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR TIM? OKAY. JOTA FOLLOWED BY WILL DURHAM. HELLO, MY NAME'S JOTA WINTER. I LIVE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA. UH, GOOD EVENING. UH, MAYOR PLU, VICE MAYOR FOLTZ AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. TONIGHT I WANNA LOOK AT THIS LETTER OF INTENT THROUGH THE LENS OF MARKET REALITY AND COMMERCIAL INVESTMENT IN MY PROFESSION. WE KNOW THAT THE FIRST PAGE OF ANY PRELIMINARY AGREEMENT DICTATES WHETHER AN [01:20:01] ELITE PLAYER STAYS AT THE TABLE OR WALKS AWAY. THAT IS WHY THE APPROVED CHANGES TO THE LOI WITH CITY STAFF. THIS MORNING IS SO CRITICAL BY REMOVING THE RESTRICTIVE BOUNDARIES OF EXHIBIT C AND INCLUDING THE SEDONA INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL'S PROPOSED MOVIE THEATER COMPLEX TO COMPLIMENT THE AMPHITHEATER. THIS LOI TRANSFORMS HOW THE MARKET VIEWS THIS PRO, THIS OPPORTUNITY. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS A REALTOR, A VIBRANT, FULLY OPERATIONAL AMPHITHEATER IS AN INCREDIBLE ASSET FOR OUR HOUSING AND COMMERCIAL MARKETS. CULTURALLY RICH COMMUNITIES ATTRACT INTENTIONAL LONG-TERM RESIDENTS, STABILIZE PROPERTY VALUES, AND ELEVATE SEDONAS REPUTATION AS A WORLD-CLASS PLACE TO LIVE, NOT JUST VISIT FROM A BROADER ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE. THE RIPPLE EFFECTS FOR SEDONA WILL BE PROFOUND. A FULLY REALIZED PROFESSIONAL CULTURAL PARK ACTS AS A MASSIVE REGIONAL CATALYST. IT PROVIDES THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO GENERATE STABLE YEAR-ROUND EMPLOYMENT AND INJECT SIGNIFICANT CONSUMER SPENDING DIRECTLY INTO OUR LOCAL ECONOMY. BY DRAWING VISITORS DURING OUR TRADITIONAL SH SHOULDER SEASONS, IT HELPS FLATTEN OUT THE SEASONAL TOURIST FLUCTUATIONS THAT OFTEN STRAIN OUR LOCAL RETAIL, DINING AND LODGING BUSINESSES. THIS LOI IS OUR FIRST AND BEST CHANCE TO SHOW THE INDUSTRY THAT SEDONA UNDERSTANDS ITS OWN MARKET VALUE AND IS OPEN TO INNOVATIVE PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS. I STRONGLY URGE COUNSEL TO APPROVE THE LOI WITH THE COLLABORATIVE RED LINES PRESENTED TONIGHT, SO THAT WE CAN ATTRACT THE BEST PARTNERS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JOANA IS WILL HERE. HELLO. I'D LIKE TO SAY A WORD BECAUSE I'VE BEEN INFORMALLY INTENDING THESE THINGS FOR SEVERAL YEARS. WILL, EXCUSE ME, CAN YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE? WILL DURHAM. SEDONA, THANK YOU. YES. I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND HERE'S MY CONCERN. I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT THEY'RE DOING THE AMPHITHEATER AND, AND ALL THIS, BUT BEFORE THEY DEVELOP IT FURTHER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CONSENSUS AND THOROUGH DISCUSSION ON WHAT'S GONNA BE IN THERE. THIS IS PRIMARILY BEING DRIVEN BY COMMERCIAL INTEREST. AT THIS POINT, I AM NOT INTERESTED IN SEEING RESTAURANTS, MOVIE THEATERS, MASSIVE TRAFFIC FROM PHOENIX. YOU KNOW, IF I WANNA SEE A, A BIG NAME, I'LL GO TO PHOENIX. WHAT I WANNA SEE IS A COMMUNAL EFFORT THERE THAT WOULD MAKE THIS WHOLE CITY A HAPPIER PLACE THAT CAN BE ACHIEVED BY A REC CENTER. I'VE HELPED THE CITY WITH REC CENTERS HERE AND BIKE PATHS HERE. I WANT TO SEE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. A BEAUTIFUL PATHWAY. UM, AN AMPHITHEATER THAT WHERE YOU CAN CONTROL THE SIZE OF IT. IF YOU REALLY HAVE TO HAVE COMMERCIAL ACTS, HAVE THEM TWICE A YEAR LIKE THE FILM FESTIVAL FOR 10 DAYS AT A TIME IF YOU REALLY HAVE TO HAVE THEM. BUT MOST OF THE TIME THEY CAN BE COMMUNAL ENDEAVORS JUST AS WE DO IT. UH, THE PAVILION POSSE GROUNDS, UH, AND APARTMENTS. I WANT TO SEE APARTMENTS. THE WAY YOU CAN DO APARTMENTS, THEY CAN BE FARTHER AWAY. THEY CAN BE ANGLED AND SOUNDPROOFED IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES WITH SOUND. AND YOU CAN CONTROL THE HOURS THE SOUND IS, IS BEING GENERATED. SO BUILDING A BEAUTIFUL, HAPPY COMMUNITY IN THERE WITH PLAYGROUNDS, WITH CHILDREN, WITH MAYBE AN OUTDOOR CAFE. NO, INDOOR MASSIVE. WE, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH RESTAURANTS HERE THAT ARE OVERPRICED, WE DON'T NEED MORE. HOW ABOUT A NICE LAYLA'S OVER THERE? OUTDOOR CAFE. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE. AND VERY IMPORTANTLY, A PROCESS THAT ALLOWS CONSENSUS ON EACH OF THESE ITEMS. NOT JUST, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS ONE LUMP SUM THING WITH VERY LITTLE DISCUSSION. WE CAN ALWAYS VOTE ON CERTAIN THINGS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LESS COMMERCIAL INTEREST BECAUSE THAT'S PRIMARILY WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. AND THE, AND SO PLEASE THINK ABOUT HOW WE COULD CREATE A PROCESS THAT WOULD ARRIVE AT A BEAUTIFUL PLACE THAT IS A HAPPY PLACE ALL YEAR ROUND, NOT JUST FOR COMMERCIAL INTEREST AND A FLOOD OF TRAFFIC FROM OUT OF TOWN. AND MY, MY LAST REQUEST IS, I WAS AT THE LAST MEETING HERE A MONTH OR TWO AGO, WHICH WAS PACKED AND PART OF THE REASON IT'S NOT AS PACKED TODAY, I SUSPECT IT TOOK TWO HOURS TO GET TO THIS SUBJECT. COULD WE PLEASE HAVE MEETINGS JUST ON THIS, ON THIS SITUATION UNTIL IT'S SOMEWHAT RESOLVED. AND THERE'S A PROCESS THAT HAS FORMED BECAUSE I GAVE UP AFTER TWO HOURS AFTER FINDING [01:25:01] OUT THE PREVIOUS ONE HAD ENDED AT 10:00 PM SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HEARING ME OUT. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THIS BECAUSE TRUST ME, JUST AS SHE SAID EARLIER, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WERE PROPOSED IN THAT MASTER PLAN. AND, AND I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT THE MORE YOU ACTUALLY ASK PEOPLE AND HAVE A CONSENSUS FORMING FOR EACH OF THE THINGS THAT'S IN THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND SCOTT ROSS WAS THE LAST CARD I HAVE. IF ANYBODY ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD. I ONLY HAVE A FEW WORDS HERE. UH, TIM IS NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO'S TOURED WITH A MAJOR ROCK BAND. SCOTT, NEED TO SAY YOUR NAME AND PLACE. RESIDENT SCOTT ROSS. SEDONA, RESIDENT 10 YEARS. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT TIM IS NOT THE ONLY PERSON HERE THAT'S BEEN ON TOUR WITH MAJOR ROCK BANDS AS I HAVE FOR 42 YEARS AND WORKING AS A MANAGER, UH, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MANAGER AND A SOUND MAN. A MANAGER CONTROLS THE WHOLE PICTURE. A SOUND MAN IS ONE PART OF THAT PICTURE. THAT SAID, I WANT IT TO BE KNOWN THAT THERE IS ANOTHER ENTITY IN TOWN THAT IS ALSO VERY CAPABLE WITH DECADES LONG EXPERIENCE IN THE ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS. THAT'S ME WITH ALAN FELD AND MY PARTNER, UH, NICK LITMAN AND LITMAN ENTERTAINMENT. UM, I HAVE SOME SERIOUS CONCERNS WITH SEP 2.0 HAVING, UH, THE EXPERIENCE IN THE MUSIC BUSINESS AND TOURING BUSINESS TO TAKE IT FROM HERE ON OUT. WE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE CITY ON THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO, UM, ANY REACTIONS? I, I HEARD SOMETHING I, FROM THE AUDIENCE, FROM THE PUBLIC THAT I THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT, WHICH WAS KURT, IS THERE SOMETHING WE COULD PUT IN THERE IF COUNCIL, IF THERE'S CONSENSUS ON COUNCIL ABOUT, UM, LOCAL RESIDENTS, LIKE I WOULD ADDRESS THE ISSUE ABOUT DISCOUNTS OR PREFERENCES OR SOMETHING WITH LOCAL RESIDENTS. SO THAT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING LIKE TICKET PRICES AND HOW MUCH YOU GONNA CHARGE MORE OR LESS. THAT SEEMS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE RFP PHASE THAN THE RFI PHASE. I KNOW, BUT THE, TO SET THE, I AGREE WITH THAT. NOT THE DETAILS, BUT JUST TO SET THE STAGE THAT IT'S OF INTEREST TO US TO COLLABORATE WITH LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS AND PROVIDE A MECHANISM FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO PARTICIPATE. SO WE HAVE IN THERE, RIGHT HERE, AND WE CAN CHANGE THE LANGUAGE. USE SUPPORTS TOURISM AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY AND PROVIDES COMMUNITY ACCESS AND LOCAL BENEFITS. SO THAT'S AN LOI THAT'S, THERE'S A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THAT IN THE RFI. CAN YOU PUT THAT ON THE SCREEN? OH, SORRY. IS IT, IT'S ON, IT'S RIGHT HERE. THANK YOU. IT'S A LITTLE TOO FAR. NO, IT WON'T GO OUT THERE. YOU, THAT GOES OUT TOO FAR. SO THE SECOND BULLET POINT THERE, THAT'S ONE OF THE PARAMETERS WE, WE LISTED. ARE YOU, ARE YOU ALL SATISFIED WITH THAT LANGUAGE? NO. PRETTY BROAD ORDER. YEAH, GO AHEAD. NA IT GETS BACKWARDS. YES, THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID. IT ISN'T ABOUT TOURISM AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS TOURISM, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE. SO THERE'S NO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THERE. AND IT IS ABOUT COMMUNITY. WE SAID THAT WE WANT THIS TO BE A COMMUNITY SPACE AND HOWEVER YOU WANNA DEFINE COMMUNITY, BUT IT FEELS LIKE IT HAS TO BE COMMUNITY FIRST. I MEAN, THAT GETS TO WHAT THE MAYOR WAS, WAS SAYING. MY OPINION. YEAH, I THINK FLIPPING IT ACTUALLY DOES WORDING DOES MATTER AND FLIPPING IT SENDS A SIGNAL WITHOUT GETTING OVERLY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHICH WOULD HAPPEN IN THE RFP AS, UH, PROCESS. I SUPPORT YOUR NEW PROPOSED LANGUAGE OF THERE KURT, DO AS WELL. WELL, IT WAS YOURS, YOUR SUGGESTION, COUNSEL. SO HAPPY TO OBLIGE. YEAH, KATHY, THERE WAS ANOTHER THING THAT I HEARD THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, UM, REGARDING, UH, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT REMOVING SEDONA INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL. THE SPACE THAT'S BEING INDICATED IS THAT THEY WOULD NEED, AND THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT REMOVING THAT. AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, UM, I, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT REMOVING THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE HAD [01:30:01] CLEAR CONVERSATIONS AND THE COUNCIL GAVE CLEAR DIRECTION, UM, THAT THAT BE SOMETHING TO BE ACCOMMODATED AT THE SITE. AND IF IT DOESN'T, IT WAS IT OUT OF THERE, I THINK WOULD BE DISINGENUOUS OF ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD BE SENDING FORWARD. SO I, I WANT TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESERVE THAT LANGUAGE BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO BE AS GOOD AS WHAT WE, OUR WORD THAT WHAT WE INDICATED. ANY OTHER CHANGES? BRIAN? UH, NOT CHANGES, JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, COUNSELOR DUN HAS WANTED TO ENGAGE IN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE USES OF THE PROPERTY THAT WERE THE MOST HIGHLY RATED IN THE SURVEY AND WE STILL REALLY HAVEN'T DONE THAT. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S NOTABLE WHEN I LOOK AT THE PACKET PAGE, PACKET PAGE 1 22, WHICH HAS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN GOING BACK TO WHAT, 1995 OR WHENEVER THAT IS, IS THAT WHAT IT SAYS? YEP. UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, PARTICULARLY IN THE MORE NORTHERLY PARTS OF WHAT IS, UM, SHOWING ON THAT MAP OF NORTHWESTERLY PARTS, THAT'S WHERE THERE'S FESTIVAL GROUNDS, FUTURE EXHIBITION BUILDINGS, CENTRAL POINT INTERPRETIVE TERRACE. UM, IT STRIKES ME THAT THOSE ARE AREAS THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO USE AS PART OF THOSE, UM, MOST HIGHLY RATED ELEMENTS IN THE SURVEY. BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, APPEAR LOST IN THE 2026, UH, POTENTIAL SITE MAP, WHICH IS, I UNDERSTAND YOU ALL HAVE ASKED THAT THE 2026 SITE MAP GET JETTISONED IN THE FIRST PLACE, RIGHT? MM-HMM . OKAY. SO I, TO ME THERE'S, I I DON'T THINK I'M OPPOSED TO ELIMINATING THE 2026, UH, SITE MAP FROM THE DOCUMENTATION, BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR KINSELLA STILL, BUT THE SCF PLACEMENT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY MADE, UH, AN INITIAL COMMITMENT TO. AND, UH, I'VE NOT HEARD ANY REASON TO GO BACK ON THAT, UH, AT THIS POINT. SO I'LL TAKE A PAUSE THERE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. KATHY, I'M GOING BACK TO THE WORDING IN THE DOCUMENT AND THE ACCURATELY IT'S REFERRED TO AS PROPERTY WAS RENAMED. CULTURAL PARK AT CENTRAL FEATURE IS A 5,500 CAPACITY OUTDOOR AMPHITHEATER. BUT I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE IN HERE THAT I DON'T WANNA GIVE ANY POTENTIAL RESPONDENTS. I KNOW CULTURAL PARK TWO, YOU KNOW, INTENDS TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THIS AND IS LOOKING AT 5,500 SEATS. BUT WHAT IF ANOTHER ENTITY OUT THERE THAT WANTS AN LOI AND WANTS TO DO SOMETHING THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE THINK A 2,500 SEAT THEATER AND THIS COMPONENT AND THAT COMPONENT MIGHT BE A BETTER FIT OR A GOOD FIT FOR THIS COMMUNITY. WHAT IN HERE DIRECTS PEOPLE THAT THE CITY IS NOT LOOKING FOR A NECESSARILY A 5,500 SEAT AMPHITHEATER, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR VARIOUS, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE LANGUAGE REFLECTS THAT SO THAT IT'S OPEN FOR WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT, ANY OTHER ENTITY MIGHT BRING FORTH. WHICH AGAIN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD MAYBE SPEAK TO SOME OF THE MORE COMMUNITY BASED USES AS WELL. BUT THAT'S ANOTHER STORY. MAYOR AND COUNSEL, WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD THAT TO THE LOII BELIEVE THAT'S, UH, STATED THAT IT'S UP TO 5,500 SEATS IN THE RFI, BUT WE COULD PUT IT HERE TO WHERE WE PUT UP TO 25 ACRES OF THE CULTURAL PARK AMPHITHEATER AND SOMETHING LIKE, AND NOT TO EXCEED OR SOMETHING, AND NOT TO EXCEED 5,500 SEATS. I WANNA JUST MAKE A CORRECTION FOR COUNSELOR DUNN. UH, RESTAURANTS WERE SINGLED OUT IN THE SURVEY AND RESTAURANTS WERE SINGLED. I THOUGHT THEY WERE CONCLUDED WITH COMMERCIAL SPACE, BUT LOOKING AT IT, THEY WERE SINGLED OUT AND THEY DID RECEIVE A LOWER YEAH. RANKING. THANK YOU MAYOR PETE, I HEAR YOU. YES. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO SUPPORT KATHY'S CHANGE OF, OF PUTTING THAT LANGUAGE IN. AND THEN RYAN BROUGHT UP THE MAP, BUT I THINK COUNCIL ALREADY VOTED TO KEEP THE MAP IN. MAYBE YOU'RE SUGGESTING WE REOPEN THAT VOTE, BUT I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. I WANT THE MAP IN AS DO I. AND, AND IF I MIGHT RESPOND A LITTLE BIT, THE, THE MASTER PLAN WHERE, WELL, [01:35:01] IT DOES HAVE A LOT OF THOSE GOOD, UM, COMMUNITY BENEFITS LISTED ON THERE. THAT MASTER PLAN DOESN'T SHOW YAVAPAI COLLEGE, WHICH TOOK OUT A LITTLE CHUNK OF IT AND THEN SIFS TAKEN OUT ANOTHER, UM, AREA OF THAT. AND SO IT'S, WHILE INSTRUCTIVE NO LONGER IS NECESSARILY USEFUL AS TO WHAT COULD BE PUT THERE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WANNA MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT AND OR ARE WE NOT AT THE COMMENT STAGE? ARE WE GONNA GET THE YEAH, WE'RE AT THE COMMENT STAGE. I WOULD, UH, UH, RESPOND TO, UH, MR. ROSS THAT THE RFI IS OPEN TO RESPONSE. MADAM THERE, MELISSA? UH, ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER AREAS IN THIS MEETING OR ARE WE GOING TO AGENDA AS A DIFFERENT MEETING? YES. NO, IN THIS MEETING BECAUSE IT'S NOT, I DON'T KNOW. IS THAT COMMENTS ? YES. YEAH. OKAY. I WASN'T SURE IF THAT WAS A COMMENT. SO FINE. WELL, OKAY, THEN HE WAS HANGING, WELL, I, I SAID THIS AT THE, THE, THE LOI ACCEPTANCE ONE THAT WE HAVE THESE THREE AREAS OF COMMUNITY BENEFIT THAT RANKED HIGHER, THAT I INTERPRET THE LARGE EVENT SPACE AS BEING LIKE FESTIVAL GROUNDS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT POSSE'S BECOME TOO SMALL. AND, UM, I'M STARING AT, AT JOSH 'CAUSE HE'S HAD IMMEDIATELY WENT UP, POSSE'S GOTTEN TOO SMALL, UM, FOR THE WINE FESTIVAL, FOR THE ARTS FESTIVAL. UM, EVEN THE YOGA FESTIVAL IS NO LONGER THERE. UM, AND I SUSPECT IT'S GETTING PRETTY TIGHT FOR THE MOUNTAIN BIKING FESTIVAL BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE GROWING BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS, SO TO SPEAK, . UM, SO IT FEELS TO ME LIKE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO USE SOME OF THAT AREA. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, BUT TO DIRECT STAFF TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD WE NEED FOR NOW AND INTO THE FUTURE FOR US TO CONTINUE HOLDING, UM, THESE KINDS OF FESTIVALS, WHICH THE COMMUNITY PARTICIPATES IN. AND, UM, I, I SUSPECT ENJOY. PLUS WE NEED, WE NEED MORE FESTIVALS THAT ARE, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD DO A COMMUNITY PICNIC. UM, I SUSPECT IF PEOPLE REALLY SHOWED UP, POSSE MIGHT NOT BE BIG ENOUGH FOR THAT EITHER. SO I THINK THIS IS A SPACE WHERE WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING THE, THE FESTIVAL GROUND, THE REC CENTER. UM, I HAVE NO IDEA. I MEAN, I HAD A CHAT WITH MY FRIEND, UM, CHAT, GPT , AND UM, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, I SAID, LOOK, THIS IS ALL THE THINGS WE HAVE HEARD THAT PEOPLE WANT IN A REC CENTER. UM, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, JOSH, BUT PEOPLE HAVE ASKED FOR A FULL SIZE POOL AND AN AQUATIC CENTER. THEY'VE ASKED FOR A CHILDREN'S POOL. SO THE CHILDREN ARE NOT IN THE SAME POOL NECESSARILY, AND IT'S SHALLOWER. THEY'VE ASKED FOR A CLIMBING WALL, THEY'VE ASKED FOR A UNIVERSAL SORT OF GYM, A MULTIPURPOSE GYM. THEY'VE ASKED FOR ROOMS WHERE PEOPLE CAN HAVE YOGA OR WHATEVER ELSE AS WELL AS MEETING. SO THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S, WHEN I ASKED THAT AND I SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN, IT CAME UP WITH AROUND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A MINIMUM OF FIVE TO ABOUT NINE ACRES. UM, AND THAT DIDN'T NECESSARILY INCLUDE PARKING. SO IT JUST, LIKE, THERE'S LAND HERE WE NEED TO DISCUSS. ONCE THEY'VE DECIDED WHAT THAT REALLY LOOKS LIKE, STAFF HAS COME BACK TO US WITH THAT. UM, I KNOW THERE'S CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WHO BELIEVE THIS ISN'T THE PLACE FOR A REC CENTER, SO THAT SHOULD ALSO BE A CONVERSATION. ARE THERE OTHER PLACES WHERE WE COULD PUT A REC CENTER, UM, WITHOUT DESTROYING THE AMENITIES WE ALREADY HAVE? AND YOU KNOW, THE THIRD THING WAS A SMALL EVENT GATHERING SPACE. AND I THINK OF THAT AS MAYBE LIKE WHAT WE HAVE BEHIND THE PICKLEBALL COURTS. SO THERE'S AN AREA THERE. IT'S NOT SUPER BIG, BUT PEOPLE CAN GO, YOU CAN HAVE A PICNIC, YOU CAN THROW FRISBEES AROUND. YOU CAN DO ANY OF THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO THAT'S WHAT I HAD IN MIND IS WHAT I BROUGHT UP BEFORE AND IT FEELS LIKE WE NEED TO HEAR BACK FROM STAFF IS TO, IS THIS A GOOD LOCATION AND HOW MUCH SPACE WOULD THAT TAKE? BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE FIRST THREE . THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU COUNCILOR. KINSELLA. . I THINK YOU GOT THE ORDER WRONG, . I JUST DIDN'T WANNA CUT 'EM OFF. , I, I THANK YOU COUNSELOR FOR BRINGING THIS TOPIC UP IN TODAY'S MEETING. AND I'M SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF CONTINUING TO DO SOME WORK ABOUT THESE OTHER HIGHER PRIORITY ITEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, WERE EXPRESSED IN, IN THE SURVEY. UM, AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS YET, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME DIRECTION TO STAFF THAT WE SHOULD BE GIVEN ABOUT THINKING AND MOVING SOMEWHAT FORWARD IN, IN THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE, THIS AREA [01:40:01] DESIGNATED IN THE MAP MIGHT LOOK LIKE. UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE RESPONSE TO THE RFI IS, IT MAY GET BIGGER OR SMALLER, BUT YOU KNOW, AT LEAST WE'RE NOT STANDING STILL IN THE MEANTIME AND LETTING YEAH. SO I, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF SOME TYPE OF DIRECTION TO STAFF TO CONTINUE THE EVALUATION. KATHY, THANK YOU. UM, I AM AS WELL, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF GIVING THAT DIRECTION. I THINK THAT THERE, AND TO THE QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED, WELL, TWO, TWO POINTS. I, THE EVENT SPACE I THINK IS A VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS MISSING FROM, UM, OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT THERE'S NOT AN AREA IN EXISTING EITHER AT SUNSET PARK OR AT, UM, POSSE GROUNDS PARK. TWO OF OUR, OUR TWO BIG PARKS. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE KNOW THAT WINE FEST IS INTERESTED IN BIKE FEST. WE'VE LOST THESE ACTIVITIES BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF IT. AND PART OF MY CONCERN ABOUT A, UM, LARGE SCALE AMPHITHEATER HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE MAYBE FLAT FESTIVAL SPACE THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE OTHER USES. I'M STILL INTERESTED IN PURSUING AND UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT COULD FIT IN. SO I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS DIRECTION TO OUR STAFF. AND ANOTHER USE THAT CAME UP THAT YOU ALSO TOUCHED ON, COUNSELOR WAS A A REC CENTER. UM, WHICH, AND I, I DO THINK THAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO LOOK FOR THAT. AGAIN, I FEEL THAT POSSE GROUNDS PARK, WHICH SOME SOMETIMES COMES UP AS A POTENTIAL PLACE IS, IS STRESSED. UM, THE USES, WE'VE PUT MORE AND MORE USES IN THERE, PICKLEBALL COURTS, UM, UH, AN EXPANDED DOG RUN. WE'VE, UH, PUT IN THE, UH, SHUTTLES, UM, STOP THERE. WE'VE EXPANDED PARKING THAT ACCOMMODATE THE SHUTTLE AND THE HUB AND THE DOG RUN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE THAT PARK PARKLAND CAN TAKE ON. AND I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE Y TO CULTURAL PARK PLACE, I THINK IS LESS THAN FOUR MILES. I THINK IT MIGHT BE AROUND THREE, THREE AND A HALF MILES LONG. I DON'T THINK IT'S, UM, AN INAPPROPRIATE PLACE IN TERMS OF OUR RESIDENTS BEING ABLE TO ACCESS. I'D LIKE TO SEE, I'VE ALWAYS LIKED TO SEE, AND I KNOW I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH CP TWO FOLKS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN PART OF MY VISION FOR THIS AREA THAT IT BE ABLE TO MEET THE VARIOUS RECREATIONAL USES OF OUR COMMUNITY. SO I THINK THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THESE THINGS STILL INCLUDED, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT THIS IN. IF THIS IS A LETTER OF INTENT THAT'S GOING FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE, WHICH IT SEEMS TO BE, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I DEFER MY COLLEAGUES. I WAS NOT AT THE MEETING WHERE THIS WAS VOTED I WAS AT OF THE STATE, BUT, UM, WE'RE GOING IN THIS DIRECTION, SO I'M FINE AND I'M, I'M WORKING WITHIN THIS, BUT I STILL HAVE VERY MUCH AN INTEREST IN SEEING WHAT OTHER COMMUNITY NEEDS CAN BE ACCOMMODATED IN THIS UNIQUE 41 ACRE PARCEL THAT THE CITY OWNS. AND WE CAN MEET THE NEEDS OF PEOPLE HERE. SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A CONFLICT, UM, FOR ME IN TALKING ABOUT THIS. SO I, I, I DO WANNA SEE THESE THINGS LEFT OPEN. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, TO DO THAT, THAT IT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH THE LOI AS IT'S WRITTEN, WHICH I DO THINK FOLLOWS A PARTICULAR PATH. SO I'M LOOKING FOR, I GUESS NOT ONLY COMMENTARY FROM MY COLLEAGUES UP HERE, BUT ALSO, UM, FOR LEGAL COUNSEL TO WEIGH IN ON THAT TOO, IN TERMS OF CONFLICTING USES. THANK YOU. YOU WANNA WEIGH IN ON THAT? UM, I SURE I CAN START. UH, YES. AS I THINK I SAID IT AT THE BEGINNING, UH, THIS DISCUSSION THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WAS A, WASN'T NECESSARILY A ROOM AT THIS SITE TO BEGIN WITH. THEY ALWAYS HAD PARKING ISSUES, IS AT LEAST WITH WHAT WE HEAR. UM, AND NOW THAT WE'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL USES TO IT, IT'S, UH, QUICKLY GROWING SMALLER. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM, UM, POTENTIAL RESPONDENTS. LIKE YOU KNOWS, UH, SCP 2.0, UH, THERE'S, YOU SHRINK IT DOWN TO 25, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM. SO, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE RFI AND THE LOI IS TO GATHER INFORMATION. IT DOESN'T LOCK US INTO ANYTHING, SO IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT, UM, THESE OTHER CONVERSATIONS. UM, BUT IF YOU WERE SERIOUSLY THINKING ABOUT NEEDING AN EVENT LAWN OUTSIDE OF THAT OR, UM, YOU KNOW, A REC CENTER THAT WAS GONNA BE 10 ACRES INSTEAD OF FIVE, THEN IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER TO KNOW THAT NOW, UM, BEFORE ISSUING THE R-F-R-F-I AND LOI, UH, THEN ISSUING IT, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, A FEW MONTHS RESCINDING IT AND JUST CANCELING IT. SO, SO IT'S A NOT WASTE ANYONE'S TIME. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT PARKING IS THE STICKING POINT. AND I'M THINKING ABOUT, UH, VENUES THAT I'VE ATTENDED, CONCERTS THAT, AND OTHER, AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS HAVE ALL THE REQUISITE PARKING ON SITE. AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE RESPONDENTS [01:45:01] TO THINK BROADLY AND, AND TO PRESENT ALTERNATIVES. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS YOU ACTUALLY NEED. IS THERE A WAY TO WORK WITH SF THEY HAVE PARKING NEEDS. YOU HAVE PARKING NEEDS. YOU WORK TOGETHER AND FIGURE THAT OUT. UH, THERE, YOU KNOW, WE OWN THE LOT ACROSS THE STREET. WE ALSO HAVE THE, UH, RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL RENTS THEIR PARKING LOTS WHEN THEY'RE NOT USING THEM FOR EVENTS. I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN THAT IS, BUT THAT'S AVAILABLE. PARKING, THERE'S A LOT OF SPACES THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF SPACES THERE. SO I THINK PARKING IS THE STICKING POINT AND WE HAVE TO BE CREATIVE ABOUT IT. I HAVE, DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER MYSELF, BUT I WOULD RATHER SEE MORE USES ON THE SITE THAN A PARKING LOT ON THE SITE. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT HAS TO BE SOME AMOUNT OF PARKING FOR SURE. SO I WOULD PUT THAT BACK OUT TO PEOPLE TO GIVE US SOME IDEAS OF HOW WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IT, KNOWING THAT THE RESIDENTS WERE, YOU KNOW, WANT OTHER USES ON THAT SITE. MELISSA, JUST TO THROW OUT, WE ALSO HAVE ON DEMAND SHUTTLES. SO WE HAVE WHAT ON DEMAND SHUTTLES. MM-HMM . SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE SOME YEARS AGO WHEN WE DID OUR TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, WE HAD THIS IDEA ABOUT ON THE, UH, 1 79 COMING INTO SEDONA, THAT DIRECTION. AND ON TWO 60 COMING JUST AS GOING THAT DIRECTION THAT WE LOOK AT SOME TYPE OF PARKING STRUCTURES THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO LEAVE THEIR CARS THERE. AND I KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE STUDYING THAT. WE'LL HAVE SOME INFORMATION THIS FISCAL YEAR, CORRECT? MM-HMM . AND THAT INCLUDES, CAN YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT, ANDY? YOU, OOPS. YOU BET. SO CURRENTLY IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, WE'RE PLANNING A PLANNING LEVEL DOCUMENT TO BE COMPLETED IN FY NEXT YEAR. SO FY 27, IT STARTS JULY 1ST, RIGHT? RIGHT. YES. AND SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK ABOUT. TALK TO PUBLIC WORK, TALK TO ANDY, PUT YOUR HEADS TOGETHER, BE CREATIVE. CHARLIE, UM, I JUST WANTED TO AGREE WITH PETE, KATHY, MELISSA ON WHAT ON, UM, THESE OTHER USES THAT WE ARE HEARING ARE OF HIGHER HIGH PRIORITY. WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT HOUSING RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE'S OTHER PRIORITIES. UM, WE, I, I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THOSE IN PARALLEL WITH THIS BECAUSE IF WE WAIT FOR THIS PROCESS TO PLAY OUT AND THEN WE START LOOKING, I MEAN, IT JUST GOES ON AND ON. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE STAFF RESEARCH AT THIS POINT INTO THOSE OTHER, UM, IDEAS, REC CENTER, UM, EVENT, LAWN, WHATEVER, AND, AND THEN BE ABLE TO SEE WHEN WE GET AN RFI RESPONSES BACK, IF WE UNDERSTAND FROM THOSE THAT 5,500 IS JUST NOT GONNA BE VIABLE WITHOUT BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, THAT WE'RE UNWILLING TO BUDGE ON, THEN WE HAVEN'T LOST TIME. YOU KNOW, I, ANYWAY, SO THAT'S WHERE I'M PETE, I, I'M JUST GONNA RESPOND A LITTLE BIT TO COUNCILOR ELLA'S QUESTIONS, INITIATED IT ABOUT THE REC CENTER AND, AND, UH, I'M JUST GONNA PUT MY SKEPTICISM OUT THERE THAT THIS LOCATION IS REALLY THE BEST LOCATION IN OUR TOWN FOR A REC CENTER. I DON'T BELIEVE IT. SOMEDAY WE'LL ASK TONY FOR HIS THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK ABOUT A UNIQUE, ATTRACTIVE DAILY USE THING LIKE A REC CENTER, YOU DON'T PUT IT AT THE EDGE OF YOUR TOWN. YOU TRY TO PUT IT MORE CENTRAL PARTS OF YOUR TOWN. AND THEY'RE, IN FACT, OUR SPOTS IN THE, I CAN THINK OF A COUPLE IN WEST SEDONA THAT IT, IT COULD BE A BETTER LOCATION FOR IT. AND SO THAT'S GOTTA BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION GOING FORWARD. THIS ISN'T, WE SHOULDN'T LOOK AT THIS AS LIKE THE ONLY PLACE AND STUFF, EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN, RIGHT? WHEN THINGS ACTUALLY DON'T MAKE SENSE FROM A COMMUNITY DESIGN STANDPOINT, WE SHOULDN'T STUFF THOSE THERE. BRAD, THANK YOU MAYOR. I CONCUR. UH, COUNCILOR FURMAN ON, UH, YOUR COMMENTS YOU JUST MADE REGARDING, UH, POSSIBLE SIGHTING OF A RECREATION CENTER. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYOR, IF I COULD TRY TO PARAPHRASE IN A WAY, IT, IT SEEMS TO [01:50:01] ME THAT WE NEED NON-EXCLUSIVE USE OF THE LAND WHERE POSSIBLE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ISN'T JUST PARKING ONLY FOR THIS ONE USE HERE AND EXCLUSIVE PARKING USE THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WORKED ITS WAY INTO THE RFI AT THIS POINT, OR IF IT BECOMES PART OF A POTENTIAL FUTURE RFP THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE CREATING A SCORING RUBRIC, THEN THERE'S MORE POINTS FOR THE CREATIVITY ON HOW YOU USE THE SPACE TO SERVE MULTIPLE USES, WHETHER IT'S PARKING OR ACTUAL EVENT, LAWN SPACE, WHATEVER. THANK YOU. I THINK YOU SUMMED THAT UP QUITE NICELY. SHOULD IT MAKE ITS WAY INTO THE RFI OR LOI OR IS IT PREMATURE FOR THAT? I THINK WE HAVE TO SPEAK TO PARKING, AT LEAST IN THE RFI AND THE RFI MENTIONS IN SEVERAL LOCATIONS. YES, THE PARKING CONSIDERATION OF PARKING PLANS AND MANAGEMENT. IT DOES. AND MAYOR AND COUNSEL, EVEN THE, THE L LO I SAYS SAFE USE OF, OF THE SITE FROM A TRAFFIC NOISE AND PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE. FAIRLY BROAD, BUT IT'S MENTIONED EVEN IN THERE TO START DOWN THAT TRACK. CAN YOU BULK IT UP IN THE RFI ? UH, YEAH, WE'RE, YEAH, WE'RE HAPPY. I'M HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF IT NEEDS AN ADDITIONAL SENTENCE. WELL, NON-EXCLUSIVE CREATIVE, UH, PARKING SOLUTIONS. PARKING SOLUTIONS AND NOT, AND LOOKING AT NON-EXCLUSIVE, WELL, YOU KNOW, JUST GIVING EXAMPLES, BUT KEEP IT OPEN SO THAT PEOPLE, WE AREN'T LIMITING RESPONSES. TONY, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE DIRECTION? UM, I WOULD SAY DEFINITELY MAYBE . UM, SO A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS. IF YOU MENTIONED BEEFING UP THE RFI AND I WOULD SUGGEST IT'S ACTUALLY FINE THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A COUPLE ESCAPE CLAUSES BUILT INTO THE RFI THAT BASICALLY SAYS, IF YOU HAVE ISSUE WITH THIS, TELL US ABOUT IT. AND SO I THINK THAT PROBABLY GETS YOU WHERE YOU WANT THE, UM, BECAUSE YOUR REAL MEAT'S GONNA COME IN THE RFP, UM, AS IT RELATES TO SOME OF THE DETAILED ITEMS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. IT'S FROM, FROM THE PRIVATE SIDE, YOU'RE WANTING TO MAKE A BALANCE. YOU WANT TO HAVE THE RFE, THE RFI INFORMATIVE, BUT LIGHT ENOUGH, IT'S NOT GONNA COST THEM AN ARM AND A LEG TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS JUST TO TURN AROUND AND DO AN RFP PROCESS. SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A FINE BALANCE. SO AS IT'S WRITTEN, I KIND OF LIKE WHERE IT SITS TO BE QUITE HONEST. UM, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO DIVE INTO, UH, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE RESEARCH FOR THE EVENT SPACES, FOR THE REC CENTER, ET CETERA. UM, I THINK WHAT'S GONNA BE KEY THERE, AND MAYBE THIS HAPPENS IN THE RFP, MAYBE THIS HAPPENS SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT BEING ABLE TO PUT ALL OF THIS AGAIN TOGETHER AS AN INTEGRATED WHOLE. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT ALL SPEAKS TO EACH OTHER. I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE KEY. SO, UM, AS FAR AS DIRECTION GOES, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU. I THINK I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT I WASN'T JUST MAKING THAT UP IN MY HEAD. UM, AS FAR AS WHERE WE SHOULD GO. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU HEARD? SO WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD WAS THAT, THAT WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND START CONDUCTING RESEARCH ON SOME OF THE DIFFERENT OTHER ELEMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, AS IT RELATES TO AN EVENT LAW AND AS IT RELATES TO A REC CENTER, ALL THE OTHER PIECES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, FINDING WAYS TO INTEGRATE THOSE AND TO SEE IF IT'S EVEN POSSIBLE. UM, AGAIN, TO BE FRANK. UM, SO WE COULD GO AHEAD AND START DOING SOME OF THAT RESEARCH. UM, AND I THINK ALSO JUST ALONG THE WAY AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS LOI PROCESS, THE RFI PROCESS, BEING ABLE TO, TO KEEP IN MIND HOW WE CAN INTEGRATE SOME OF THESE THINGS ALONG THE WAY. SO IT'S REALLY TWO LAYERED, IF YOU WILL. WE'LL DO THE RESEARCH, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO KEEP A WATCHFUL EYE ON, ON HOW WE CAN MAKE ALL OF THIS STILL, UM, WORK TOGETHER. DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? YEAH, I DID. PERFECT. I DON'T THINK SO. YEAH, I, I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THERE'S ONE ELEMENT THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP MULTIPLE TIMES AND THAT IS, YES, WE WANT A REC CENTER. IS THAT THE RIGHT PLACE FOR IT OR DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A BETTER PLACE FOR IT THAT CAN HOLD ONCE YOU'VE DONE YOUR RESEARCH THAT CAN HOLD THAT SPOT. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S [01:55:01] CLEAR. I THINK THE COUNCIL IS SAYING, YES, WE WANT A REC CENTER. IT MAY NOT BE THE WESTERN GATEWAY. WE NEED YOU TO TELL US WHETHER THAT'S THE RIGHT SPOT. HAVE I AM, AM I MISINTERPRETING PETE AND RYAN? I DIDN'T SAY ONE OR REC CENTER. WE SHOULD INVESTIGATE A REC CENTER FOR THE POTENTIAL USES, THE PLACEMENT, THE COST, ET CETERA. SO I DON'T THINK COUNSEL IS GIVING DIRECTION TONIGHT TO NO, BUT YOU CONQUER ON A REC CENTER. THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. I WAS GONNA SAY SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR. WE WANTED, UH, UH, RECLAIMED WATER IN TOWN FOR WATERING AND YOU KNOW, OR, AND OR POTABLE WATER IN TOWN AND WE PASSED ON THAT BECAUSE OF THE PRICE TAG. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE REC CENTER IS GONNA FALL. YEAH, BUT WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE DO THE RESEARCH. AND I GUESS, I GUESS MY POINT WAS MOSTLY ABOUT GIVEN WHATEVER WE'RE DOING WITH THE REC CENTER, IS THAT THE RIGHT LOCATION FOR IT? NOT ASSUMING THAT IS THE RIGHT LOCATION FOR IT AND NOT ASSUMING THAT THERE WILL BE A CENTER. NO, I MEAN THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION WHEN WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION. BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW IF THERE'S OTHER LOCATIONS. IS IT CONSIDERING IT IS A HUGE, UH, COMMUNITY DESIRE. YEAH. WE'RE HAPPY TO INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE RESEARCH. OKAY. SO HAVING SAID THAT, WHAT DO WE WANNA DO WITH THIS EXHIBIT C? I MEAN WE DID SAY WE WANTED TO INCLUDE IT AND WE STILL WANTING TO INCLUDE, IS THAT THE BUBBLE MAP OR IS THAT THE OLD MASTER PLAN? NO, THAT'S THE, THAT BUBBLE MAP. YEAH, BUBBLE MAP. OKAY. THAT'S NOT REALLY BUBBLES, BUT YES. . YEAH. RIGHT. OKAY. NO, I THINK I, I WOULD LIKE IT INCLUDED. I SUPPORT IT ABSOLUTELY BEING INCLUDED. OKAY. WE WILL KEEP IT IN. OKAY. SO I, SORRY, ARE WE READY? TAKE ACTION. WHAT WE JUST DID, THE ACTION WOULD BE, THIS IS AGENDAS FOR A MOTION IF, IF YEAH, COUNSEL WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION. I'M PROVING THE ISSUING THE LOI AND RFI AS AMENDED. AS AS AMENDED. SURE. GOING BACK TO THEM, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE LOI IN THE RFI AS AMENDED SECOND. OKAY. WELL IT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS EXACTLY HERE, BUT YEAH, WE GOT A CITY ATTORNEY APPROVAL ON THE MOTION , IT'S A LEGALLY SUFFICIENT MOTION. WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. IT'S APPROVED. THANK YOU COUNSEL. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD, THANK YOU PUBLIC FOR WEIGHING IN AND I THINK WE'LL TAKE A BREAK NOW. SO I'M SORRY TOM . OKAY, WE'RE BACK [9.b. AB 3289 Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding approval of the Tentative City Budget for Fiscal Year 2026-2027, joint management of recreational facilities with local schools, and decision packages.] AND WE'RE GOING TO ITEM 32 89 PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF THE TENTATIVE CITY BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 26, 27, JOINT MANAGEMENT OF RECREATIONAL FACILITIES WITH LOCAL SCHOOLS AND DECISION PACKAGES. GOOD EVENING MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UH, BARBARA WHITEHORN, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND STERLING WEST, OUR BUDGET AND INVESTMENT MANAGER. UM, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN JUST ABOUT ENOUGH OF US AND WE'RE REACHING THE END OF THE BUDGET CALENDAR. UM, WE'RE AT ADOPTION OF THE TENTATIVE BUDGET AND, UH, ADOPTION OF THE CFD TONIGHT AND ADOPTION OF THE TENTATIVE CFD BUDGET AS WELL TONIGHT. AND THEN AT THE END OF JUNE, WE'LL ADOPT THE FINAL BUDGET. SO JUST FOR SOME CONTEXT FOR THE PUBLIC, UM, THE TENTATIVE BUDGET ANNUALLY UNDER THE HOME RULE EXPENDITURE LIMITATION ALTERNATIVE ALLOWS THE SETTING OF THE EXPENDITURE LIMIT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BY COUNCIL WITH THE TENTATIVE BUDGET. ONCE THAT TENTATIVE BUDGET IS ADOPTED, THE BUDGET MAY BE DECREASED BEFORE FINAL ADOPTION MONIES CAN BE MOVED AROUND, BUT IT MAY NOT BE INCREASED. AND THEN OF COURSE THE FINAL BUDGET MAY NOT EXCEED THAT EXPENDITURE LIMIT. SO THE OPERATING BUDGET, UM, YOU ALL ARE FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THESE SLIDES, SO I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THEM. UM, WE HAVE THE BUDGET TODAY, UH, IN THE MIDDLE, THE PROPOSED BUDGET, LAST YEAR'S BUDGET [02:00:01] AND THE INCREASE OR DECREASE, UM, THE OPERATING BUDGET OVERALL IS INCREASING BY 4% REVENUE DETAILS. WE HAVE AN OVERALL INCREASE AND AS WE DISCUSSED IN THE LAST UH, MEETINGS, THE INCREASE ARE IS ONLY RELATED TO REVENUES THAT WE CAN SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY AS INCREASING, UM, NOT SALES TAX AND BED TAX, WHICH HAVE AGAIN BEEN HELD FLAT TO 2026 AND 2025 LEVELS. THEY ARE COMING IN, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THAT, BUT IT REMAINS PRUDENT TO HOLD THEM FLAT GIVEN THE SORT OF UNCERTAINTY OF THE ECONOMY ON A NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL, UH, STAGE. SO EXPENDITURES, UH, PROPOSED TO TENTATIVE, THIS IS WHERE WE WERE WHEN WE STARTED ON APRIL, WHAT, 14TH OR APRIL 15TH? APRIL 15TH. THANK YOU. TAX DAY. I SHOULD HAVE REMEMBERED THAT. AND TO NOW WITH THE TENTATIVE BUDGET. UM, AND THAT'S ABOUT A 6% INCREASE WITH A SLIGHT INCREASE TO CONTINGENCIES AND INCREASES TO OPERATIONS AND A SLIGHT INCREASE TO CAPITAL PROJECTS. HERE'S THE CONTINGENCY SUMMARY. UM, MOSTLY THE SAME, BUT WE HAVE $50,000, UM, TO SET ASIDE IN CASE OF SEDONA RECYCLES NEEDING ASSISTANCE, REPLACING, UM, LARGE EQUIPMENT. AND THEN, UH, THE TOURISM ADVERTISING CONTINGENCY. THE GRANTS DECREASED SLIGHTLY. UM, THAT'S JUST OVER, UH, FISCAL 26. AND THAT'S BASED ON GRANTS THAT WE HAVE PENDING. THESE ARE THE DEBT OBLIGATIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED PAYING OFF EARLY, ABOUT 950,000 WAS IDENTIFIED. AND THEN WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION THAT WOULD'VE COME UP NEXT YEAR. BUT WE THOUGHT SINCE WE HAD THE CALCULATION, WE WOULD BRING IT TO YOU NOW. UM, AND TO PROVIDE CONTEXT FOR THIS, I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ARBITRAGE, WHICH YOU ALL PROBABLY ARE FAMILIAR WITH, BUT I KNOW FOR MOST PEOPLE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE EVER THINK ABOUT. YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY KNOW THAT WHEN I WASN'T IN FINANCE, ARBITRAGE WASN'T EVEN A WORD I KNEW. UM, BUT ARBITRAGE THE DEFINITION IS WHEN YOU BUY AND SELL SECURITIES OR CURRENCY, COMMODITIES, WHATEVER, THROUGH VARIOUS MECHANISMS AND YOU'RE BUYING AND SELLING IN ORDER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PRICING DIFFERENCES. WHAT IT MEANS IN THE CONTEXT OF TAX EXEMPT BONDS IS THAT WHEN WE ISSUE BONDS AND THE PROCEEDS FROM THOSE BONDS ARE INVESTED IN HIGHER YIELDING TAXABLE SECURITIES THAT RESULT IN US GAINING MORE INTEREST THAN WE'RE PAYING ON THE BONDS, THAT'S ARBITRAGE. THAT DIFFERENCE IS ARBITRAGE. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS, IT'S BEEN IN TAX LAW FOR A WHILE, BUT IT BECAME A REALLY BIG ISSUE IN THE 1980S. IF YOU RECALL, WHEN INTEREST RATES WERE GOING CRAZY AND TAX EXEMPT BONDING ENTITIES, WHETHER CITIES, COUNTIES, WHATEVER, WERE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE MAJOR SWINGS IN INTEREST RATES. THEY COULD ISSUE DEBT, SAY AT 5% AND THEN MAKE 10%. AND THAT'S A REALLY HUGE ARBITRAGE THING. AND THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WITH TAX EXEMPT BONDS, RIGHT? LIKE WE GET A TAX EXEMPT STATUS VERY SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE'RE GOVERNMENT AND WE'RE SERVING THE PUBLIC AND THEY'RE LIKE, THAT'S NOT REALLY SERVING THE PUBLIC. SO THERE IS NOW A FEDERAL RULE THAT REQUIRES THOSE EXCESS EARNINGS THAT THEY BE RETURNED TO THE IRS AS A REBATE. SO THAT'S THE ARBITRAGE REBATE REQUIREMENT. SO IT'S IDENTIFIED EVERY YEAR WE HAVE AN ARBITRAGE REBATE CALCULATION DONE BY A THIRD PARTY AND THEY LOOK AT WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE EARNING, WHAT ARE WE PAYING? UM, IT HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE IN QUITE A WHILE BECAUSE INTEREST RATES HAVE BEEN VERY LOW. HOWEVER, WITH THE 2022 BONDS, WE HAD ABOUT $4.8 MILLION. THAT WAS UNSPENT, THAT WAS INVESTED AND AS IN INTEREST RATES WENT UP AND WE INVESTED MORE IN HIGHER YIELD SECURITIES, CERTAINLY ALWAYS WITH A MIND TO SAFETY, LIQUIDITY, AND YIELD. BUT YIELD IS TERTIARY, NOT EVEN SECONDARY, BUT TERTIARY TO SAFETY AND LIQUIDITY. UM, THEY STARTED EARNING AT A HIGHER RATE THAN THE INTEREST RATE ON THE BONDS. AND THAT ESTIMATED REBATE IS BETWEEN 655 AND 700,000. IT'S DUE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. UM, BUT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE GO AHEAD AND [02:05:01] PAY THAT OFF EARLY. UM, THAT ALIGNS WITH YOUR DIRECTION TO ADDRESS THOSE KINDS OF LIABILITIES PROACTIVELY. WE HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDS IN THE CURRENT YEAR. UM, IT REDUCES UNCERTAINTY 'CAUSE IT'S PAID OFF AND IT DOES SIMPLIFY, UM, THE FISCAL 27 BUDGET AND LOCKS IN THOSE COSTS. SO IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ARBITRAGE, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. CHARLOTTE, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO IS IT CONTINUING TO, UM, EARN INTEREST AND THE LONGER WE TAKE TO PAY IT, THE MORE INTEREST WE'RE GONNA BE? UH, GO AHEAD COUNCILOR HASSI. UM, SO WE HAVE CURRENTLY SPENT DOWN ALMOST ALL OF THOSE BOND PROCEEDS FROM THE 2022 SERIES. SO IT'S CURRENTLY NOT EARNING ANY INTEREST BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S BEEN MOVED FROM THE TRUSTEE ACCOUNT TO THE CITY OF SEDONA MM-HMM . TO BE SPENT TOWARDS THE PARKING GARAGE PROJECT. OKAY. AND THE SECOND QUESTION WAS, UM, WHAT CAUSED THIS SLOWDOWN IN THE EXPENDITURE OF THE MONIES THAT THEN RESULTED IN THIS? AND I ASSUME IT WAS PROJECT DELAYS. EXACTLY. IT WAS THE DELAY OF THE PARKING GARAGE. OKAY, THANKS BRIAN AND BARBARA OR STERLING, THERE'S NO OTHER CREATIVE WAYS TO SPEND THE MONEY TO AVOID THIS I ON STUFF WE WERE ALREADY GOING TO SPEND IT ON. NOT LIKE JUST COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW. NOT NOW. LIKE NOW WE'VE ALREADY SPENT ALL OF THE FUNDS. UM, WE DID ACTUALLY RESTRUCTURE THE 2020 TWOS AND THE 2020 FOURS, RIGHT? I THINK WE MOVED A LOT OF THE PARKING GARAGE TO THE 24 BECAUSE IT WAS DELAYED AND SPENT THE 2020 TWOS ON FOREST ROAD. ACTUALLY, IN ORDER TO AVOID VERY MUCH THIS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE ALL THESE PROCEEDS JUST SITTING IN A TRUSTEE ACCOUNT EARNING INTEREST WHEN WE'RE PAYING VERY LITTLE INTEREST. AND WE ALSO DON'T WANNA LOSE THAT OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT? LIKE WE WANNA EARN INTEREST. SO IF WE'RE EARNING MORE INTEREST THAN WE SHOULD BE, WE'RE PAYING THE DIFFERENCE TO THE IRS, BUT WE'RE EARNING AT THAT POINT THE MAXIMUM INTEREST WE'RE ALLOWED. WHEREAS ALTERNATIVELY, WE COULD JUST PUT IT ALL IN A NON-INTEREST BEARING OR REALLY LOW INTEREST BEARING ACCOUNT AND WE WOULDN'T RISK ARBITRAGE. BUT FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, I'D RATHER PAY ARBITRAGE AND KNOW THAT WE EARNED ALL THE INTEREST THAT WERE ALLOWED THAN THE ALTERNATIVE. YEAH. SO THE ARBITRAGE MONEY IS LIKE FOUND MONEY THAT YOU GOTTA, THAT YOU GO TURN INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT YOU FOUND OUT ON THE STREET. YEAH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GREAT WAY OF LOOKING AT IT IS IT'S LIKE MONEY THAT WE CAN'T KEEP AND WE KNOW IT AND YOU KNOW, WE DO THE BEST WE CAN TO MITIGATE IT. UM, BUT AT SOME POINT IT DOES HAPPEN. PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. YEAH, VICE MAYOR. THAT'S A GREAT ANALOGY. I DIDN'T HAVE A CATCHY ONE AS THAT, SO THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. UH, WAS THERE A, DID THIS CATCH US BY SURPRISE OR WAS THERE A LESSON LEARNED HERE? WE HAVE A PROCESS CHANGE, SO WE LOOK AT THIS EARLIER. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHETHER WE'VE I THINK, UM, I THINK THE CHALLENGE REALLY WITH THIS WAS THAT WE RESCHEDULED, UM, THE PARKING GARAGE AND KIND OF PUT IT ON HIATUS IF, IF YOU'LL RECALL. AND THAT CREATED THE NEED TO SORT OF RECONFIGURE WHAT THE DEBT WAS GONNA BE SPENT ON AT THAT POINT. AND THAT DELAY WAS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST DRIVER OF THIS WAS THAT THERE WERE, THERE WERE MONTHS OF HOW DO WE NOW STRUCTURE DEBT THAT'S ALREADY ISSUED. WAS THIS GOING TO BE IN YOUR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET UNDER A NORMAL PROCESS AND YOU'RE JUST MOVING IT TO THIS BUDGET? YES. AH, THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR BEING PROACTIVE AND LOOKING FOR WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN REDUCE ANY KIND OF LIABILITIES THAT WE HAVE AND HELP THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MM-HMM . GIFT A GIFT TWO INSTEAD OF A TAKE, JUST GIFTING THE IRS. YEAH. MAYOR, IF I MAY, UM, AT THE TIME, UH, THAT THE DEBT WAS RESTRUCTURED WITH THE 2024 BOND INSURANCE, UM, WE DID THAT BECAUSE, UM, WE ENDED UP SAVING THE TAXPAYERS OVERALL $5 MILLION IN INTEREST. SO THIS IS KIND OF LIKE THE, A SMALL NET EFFECT OF THAT. THE BIGGER SAVINGS WAS, UM, THE $5 MILLION IN INTEREST THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY ON THE DEBT. THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER IN THAT MM-HMM . SO ARE WE HAVE CONSENSUS AROUND THIS? YEP. YEAH. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. SO POLICY RESERVES, UM, I JUST LIKE TO GO OVER THE POLICY RESERVES EVERY TIME SO THAT, UM, WE [02:10:01] CAN SPEAK TO HOW MUCH IN RESERVES WE REALLY HAVE AND HOW PRUDENT, UM, YOU AS COUNCIL ARE IN YOUR POLICY DIRECTION, NOT ONLY FOR RESERVES, BUT THE WAY IN WHICH WE SPEND THEM SO WE HAVE THESE RESERVES AND WE ESTABLISHED THAT, UM, POLICY FOR THESE RESERVES. LAST YEAR YOU ADOPTED IT. AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 62.7 MILLION IN THOSE RESERVES THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO POLICY, NOT THE UNSPENT RESERVES AND THE EXTRA SAVINGS, BUT THESE ARE SPECIFICALLY RESERVES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE PER POLICY. OVERALL, WE HAVE BEGINNING, LEADING INTO FISCAL 27, WE BELIEVE WE'LL HAVE BEGINNING FUND BALANCE, WHICH IS BASICALLY ALL THE RESERVES OF 99.7. AND THEN WE TAKE OUT THOSE POLICY RESERVES TO GET THAT UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE OF 37 MILLION. AND THEN THIS IS OF COURSE JUST THE CALCULATION WITH HOW MUCH WE'RE SPENDING OUT OF SAVINGS, UM, ON CAPITAL ITEMS, AND THEN WHERE WE END WITH UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE. AND OF COURSE, UM, ANNUALLY WE DO THIS CALCULATION AND THEN THIS ASSUMES THIS, THIS CHART ASSUMES THAT WE SPEND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF BOTH THE CAPITAL AND THE OPERATING BUDGET, WHICH WE DO NOT. SO THERE WILL NOT BE A FULL USE OF SAVINGS OF ALMOST 29 MILLION. IT WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THAT. AND THEN THIS IS THE SURPLUS FUNDS THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING. UM, YOU HAD DECIDED TO ALLOCATE IT FOR THE A SRS, UM, PREPAYMENT PROGRAM, UH, 1.9 MILLION AND THE REMAINING 3.62 CAPITAL RESERVES. SO THAT IS WHAT WE WILL DO. AND THIS SURPLUS OBVIOUSLY IS CALCULATED AFTER ALL OF THE OTHER RESERVES AND DECISION PACKAGES OR JUST BREAKING THESE DOWN FOR EASE OF TALKING ABOUT THEM. THESE ARE THE ONES WITH POSITIONS, A TOTAL OF 3.95 IF YOU WANNA GET SUPER TECHNICAL, BUT FOUR POSITIONS. UM, AND THAT'S THE PART-TIME TO FULL-TIME BIKE PEDESTRIAN COORDINATOR, TECH SUPPORT, UM, ADDITIONAL PERSON IN IT, UM, AN ADDITIONAL COURT SPECIALIST, WHICH IS ONLY A FIFTH OF A POSITION, 0.2. AND THEN THE AFTERSCHOOL CAMP PROGRAMS. THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL TWO POSITIONS THERE. THE OTHER DECISION PACKAGES THAT WERE APPROVED ARE HERE. AND ON THE NEXT PAGE FOR ONE TIME COSTS OF 1.48 MILLION, AN ONGOING OF 535,000. AND WHEN YOU ADD IN THE TOTAL POSITIONS AND OPERATIONS, YOU HAVE ONE TIME OF 1.5 AND ONGOING OF 1.01, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET. UM, WE DID MOVE THE, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT YOU ALL HAD IDENTIFIED AS PRIORITY, UH, ONE AND PRIORITY TWO. WE MOVED THOSE. I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE, I KNOW ONE WAS THE DOG PARK AMENITIES OH, AND THE SUP AMENITIES. SO YES, THOSE HAVE BEEN, UH, PUT IN THE PROPER PRIORITIES. SO WE HAVE THE PRIORITY ONE, WHICH IS 23.8 MILLION, CONTINUED FROM THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, PRIORITY TWO, 9.6 MILLION. AND THEN, UH, PRIORITY THREE, 485,000. SO YEAR OVER YEAR, THE CIP IS DECREASING BY ABOUT $8 MILLION. AND THEN WE WANTED TO BE REALLY TRANSPARENT ABOUT, UM, OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO INCREASE THAT YOU DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING. UM, THE UPFIT FOR THE POLICE VEHICLES THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, UM, IS NOT GOING TO BE FINISHED BY JUNE 30TH. SO WE HAVE TO CARRY OVER THAT BUDGET INTO FISCAL YEAR 27. THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT IT, IT IS NOT GONNA BE DONE. OOPS, SORRY. BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. AND NOW WE'RE ON. BEFORE WE GET THERE, MAYOR, COULD I, YEAH, GO AHEAD. PETER. I WANTED TO ASK, AND I, I APOLOGIZE IF THIS WAS COVERED DURING OUR EARLIER BUDGET HEARINGS, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS, I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THAT. UH, I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE DARK SKY INITIATIVES. CITY MANAGER, WHETHER YOU FEEL THAT YOUR STAFF IS ADEQUATE, IS MOVING ADEQUATELY TO PREPARE OUR COMMUNITY JANUARY 1ST, 2028. SO, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE SOME FUNDING THIS FISCAL YEAR, NEXT FISCAL YEAR WOULD ONLY BE SIX MONTHS. SO [02:15:01] I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT QUESTION OUT THERE AS TO WHETHER YOU FEEL OUR, YOUR STAFF IS ADEQUATELY MOVING, FUNDED AND MOVING FORWARD WITH DARK SKY INITIATIVE THINGS. YES, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNSELOR. I DID TALK WITH, UM, OUR HEAD OF PLANNING AND I'M TRYING TO FIND HER, UM, EMAIL HERE. AND SO YES, SHE SAYS THAT THEY ARE DOING OUTREACH AND EDUCATION AND PLAN TO RAMP IT UP OVER THE NEXT YEAR. UM, ALTHOUGH THEY WILL NOT BE, UM, GOING OUT ON A SPECIFIC MISSION TO, UM, IDENTIFY ALL NON-COMPLIANT PROPERTIES ALL AT ONCE. UM, BUT THEY'LL CONTINUE TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON WHAT THE DEADLINES ARE AND WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. UM, AND HER HOPE IS THAT, UM, WHEN THE DEADLINE COMES, IF WE DO SEE AN INCREASE IN COMPLIANCE COMPLAINTS WITH THE DARK SKY ORDINANCE, THAT ACTUALLY HELPS US OUT AND GETTING THE REST OF THOSE TAKEN CARE OF. SO SHE IS PLANNING ON THAT AS WELL. UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE ANTICIPATING IT AND ARE ANTICIPATING A INCREASE IN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT WORKLOAD. SO THAT MEANS THAT THERE IS STAFF TIME AND MONEY ALLOCATED IN THIS BUDGET TO BEGIN THE GROUNDWORK THAT WE NEED TO DO. YEAH. YEAH. AND I THINK THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED ACTUALLY. GREAT, THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? OR SHOULD WE GO ONTO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, AT SOME POINT AND, AND I NEED GUIDANCE FROM KURT AND ANDY, IS THERE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR US TO DISCUSS THE GARAGE AND THE, THE QUESTION THAT WAS GIVEN TO US BY A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC? YEAH. UM, LET'S SEE. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF TIMING WISE HOW THAT WOULD WORK. IDEALLY, IT WOULD'VE BEEN WITH OUR SIM UPDATE, BUT I DON'T THINK TIMING WISE THAT WILL WORK WELL. PROBABLY WHEN THAT WOULD FIT THE BEST WOULD BE WHEN WE COME BACK TO TALK ABOUT PARKING IN GENERAL. SO NEXT MONTH, JULY 14TH. WELL, IT SEEMED TO BE AT SOME URGENCY IN CLARIFYING THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED, RIGHT? YEAH. AND I DID ASK ANDY FOR THE EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE THAT WE HAD WITH THE PERSON WHO TESTIFIED BECAUSE WE DID ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. UM, AND THEN ALSO THE FIRE MARSHAL WAS DIRECTED, UH, OR HAD QUESTIONS DIRECTED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL. THAT'S WITHIN THEIR PURVIEW TO ANSWER. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE RESPONSES HAVE GONE OUT YET. UM, BUT HAPPY TO CLARIFY OR SEND YOU COPIES OF ALL THAT. I'M JUST GONNA END THE CONVERSATION HERE AS IT'S NOT AGENDA. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. NEXT ARE, UM, CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND, UM, I MAY HAVE TO TURN SOME OF THIS OVER TO JOSH, UM, JOSH AND ROXANNE, BECAUSE THEY CERTAINLY KNOW IT BETTER THAN I. UM, BUT WE WILL, UM, WE'LL RUN THE SLIDES FOR YOU GUYS THOUGH. OKAY. YEAH, WE CAN SWITCH DOWN. OKAY. SQUEEZED IN THERE. ALRIGHT. YES. SO THIS FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CONSIDERATIONS IS A FOLLOW UP FROM WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN OUR APRIL 22ND, APRIL 23RD COUNCIL MEETING THAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU. UM, AND AN ITEM REQUESTED BY COUNCIL FOR SOME ADDITIONAL FOLLOW UP AND SOME ADDITIONAL OPTIONS ON THERE AS WELL. WE DID WALK THE FIELD WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT WHO'S HERE IN ATTENDANCE TO SPEAK AS WELL, WALK THROUGH THE FIELDS AND THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, TOOK A LOOK, LOOK AT THOSE AND EVALUATED KIND OF THE CONDITION THAT THEY'RE IN AS WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET THEM UP TO THE QUALITY DESIRED. UM, THEN THE MAINTENANCE, THE MAINTENANCE ON TOP OF THAT AS WELL. THE, AND SO WE'LL PRESENT HERE SOME OPTIONS FOR HOW WE CAN GET THESE FIELDS ON THE CITY SIDE, IF THE CITY WERE TO TAKE OVER THE LANDSCAPING UP TO THE QUALITY DESIRED. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, FOR THE MAP OF THOSE FIELDS, WE HAVE ON THE FAR LEFT SIDE THERE, THE WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS THE SOCCER FIELD. SO THAT'S THE LONG RECTANGULAR GRASS SOCCER AREA. THEN WE HAVE THE BASEBALL FIELD AND THE TOP MIDDLE SOFTBALL FIELD, BOTTOM, MIDDLE, AND THEN THE TURF FIELD ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE THERE. SO THE THREE ON THE LEFT AND MIDDLE ARE, UM, GRASS ATHLETIC FIELDS WITH THE TURF BEING ON THE RIGHT SIDE. SO YOU CAN SEE FROM THE GOOGLE EARTH IMAGE HERE, WE PULLED ONE FROM APRIL 18TH, 2017, AND THEN ONE FROM MAY 24TH, 2021. [02:20:02] SO AROUND THE SAME TIMEFRAME OF THE YEAR, BOTH APRIL AND MAY. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE CONDITION DETERIORATION BETWEEN THOSE TWO DATES THERE. UM, AND THEN ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CONDITION THAT THOSE FIELDS ARE UNFORTUNATELY IN NOW IN NEED OF SOME MAJOR REPAIR AS THERE'S MAJOR IRRIGATION ISSUES OVER HOLES, UM, BASE INFIELD MIX IN MUCH NEED TO REPAIR AND BEYOND. MAY I, MAY, I, UH, MAY ASK MAYOR, YOUR CALL. WHO'S GOING? WHAT, BRIAN? OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, JOSH, I'M LOOKING AT GOOGLE EARTH RIGHT NOW, AN IMAGE FROM APRIL 25 OF LAST YEAR. THAT LOOKS ONE HECK OF A LOT BETTER THAN YOUR 2021 PICTURE. SO UNLESS SOMETHING HAS, YOU KNOW, GONE OFF THE TRACKS IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS, CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE PLEASE? THE, THE 2021 PICTURE IS, IS NOT EVEN REMOTELY INDICATIVE OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE A YEAR AGO. SO WHAT'S, WHAT, WHAT'S IT REALLY LOOK LIKE NOW? IT'S IN PRETTY ROUGH CONDITION. THERE ARE, YES. THE 2021 CLEARLY SHOWS THAT WHETHER IT WAS THE WATERING BEING OFF OR WHAT THE ISSUE IS, THE FIELD BEING VERY DEAD THERE. RIGHT NOW, IT IS VERY HILLY WITH LOTS OF MOUNDS THROUGHOUT IT, UM, COVERED IN WEEDS. THE WARNING TRACK ON THE BACK IS COMPLETELY OVERGROWN WITH WEEDS, UM, ALONG WITH A LOT OF INFIELD DIRT, ESPECIALLY ON THE BASEBALL FIELD THERE IN THE WORST CONDITION. THE SOCCER FIELD AND SOFTBALL FIELD, IN MY OPINION, WE'RE SLIGHTLY BETTER, UM, BUT IN STILL NEED OF SOME REPAIR AND ISSUES THERE. OKAY. I'M, I'M JUST GONNA SAY RIGHT NOW I'M UNCOMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT A 5-YEAR-OLD PICTURE AND I SEE SOMETHING THAT'S 1-YEAR-OLD THAT LOOKS A LOT BETTER. LIKE I, I, I I CAN'T VOTE OFF OF THAT. SORRY, MAY I ANSWER PLEASE? YES, COME ON UP. OKAY. UM, TOM, JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND, OH, TOM SCHWANINGER. I'M THE SUPERINTENDENT OF SEDONA OAK CREEK SCHOOLS. SO, UM, THIS IS MY THIRD YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN SERVING AS, UH, SUPERINTENDENT. THE FIRST YEAR THAT I WAS THERE, UH, THE FIELDS WERE UN WATERED, UM, AND VERY BROWN. AND I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T REALLY LOOK AT A A, AN AERIAL PHOTO. UM, BUT I WOULD SAY THE 2021 PHOTO WAS FAIRLY SIMILAR TO MY RECOLLECTION OF WHAT THOSE FIELDS LOOKED LIKE IN THAT FIRST YEAR. UM, THE, THE, THE SPRING OF THAT FIRST YEAR GOING INTO THE, THE, THE FALL OF THE SECOND YEAR, IT WAS, UM, DECIDED, UM, AT A BUDGET LEVEL AND A STRATEGIC LEVEL TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO, UM, ON A VERY BASIC LEVEL RENOVATE, UH, THE BASEBALL FIELD AND THE, THE, UM, PRACTICE FIELD AND THE SOCCER FIELD. NOW, WHEN I SAY RENOVATE, WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS, UM, WE STARTED WATERING IT. UM, WE DID WHAT WE COULD TO PATCH UP SOME OF THE, UM, THE GOPHER HOLES. WE ALLOCATED MORE OF OUR LIMITED RESOURCES TO, UM, TO HELPING GET IT AT LEAST PLAYABLE. SO I THINK I, I MEAN, I, THIS IS, WELL, BOTH OF THOSE PHOTOS ARE WELL BEFORE MY TIME HERE. UM, BUT I, I, I MEAN, I HAVE RECENT PHOTOS, UM, THAT SHOW THAT IS STILL IN, IN VERY DIFFICULT SHAPE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION OR NOT. NOT REALLY. AND NOT YOUR FAULT, TOM. LIKE I JUST, THAT'S NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF A MUCH MORE RECENT SET OF PHOTOS. SO IF YOU COULD IMAGINE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN . WELL, THERE'S ANOTHER PHOTO IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE NEXT PAGE. YES. IS THAT ONE TAKEN? IT DOESN'T SAY WHEN IT WAS TAKEN, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONE YOU JUST PULLED UP. UH, YEAH, IT DOES. IT'S NOT THE SAME PICTURE THOUGH, BECAUSE I CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE HERE. WELL, IT'S REALLY, IT LOOKS BETTER THAN 21, BUT NOT AS GOOD AS 25. WE'VE GOT SOME ACTUAL COUNCIL MEMBER. I I CAN, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT AND, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE VISUAL, UM, MAY NOT BE THERE. AND THESE, THESE ARE ONLY WORDS, BUT I I WILL, I WILL TELL YOU THAT ESPECIALLY THE BASEBALL FIELD IS IN NEARLY UN, IF NOT UNPLAYABLE SHAPE. AND JOSH, THAT'S WHAT YOU OBSERVED, CORRECT? YES, CORRECT. MELISSA. SO I'M CONCERNED WE'RE GETTING HUNG UP ON HOW GREEN THE GRASS IS AND NOT THE CONDITION OF THE GROUND UNDERNEATH [02:25:01] THE GRASS. SO I BELIEVE THAT WHAT YOU'RE BOTH REFERRING TO IS THE CONDITION OF THE FIELD, NOT THE CONDITION OF THE TURF THAT'S ON THE FIELD. IS THAT CORRECT? I WOULD, IT'S BOTH. IT'S BOTH. A LOT OF IT IS OVERGROWN WEEDS THAT ARE WHAT IS ON THE FIELD, BUT PRIMARILY THE CONDITION OF THE INFIELD BILL, WHICH IS THE INFIELD DIRT THAT PLAYERS WOULD RUN ON AND SLIDE ON, IS VERY ROUGH AND ROCKY, THE WARNING TRACK, WHICH WOULD BE THE BACK DIRT ON OUT IN THE OUTFIELD BEFORE YOU'D HIT THE FENCE, IS OVERGROWN WITH WEEDS AND BASICALLY NON-EXISTENT. AND THE IRRIGATION, WE, THE IRRIGATION BOXES ARE CRACKED IN AND MOSTLY NOT FUNCTIONING WITH SEVERAL LEAKS. THE IRRIGATION TURNS ON AND WATER GOES, BUT WOULD BE IN NEED OF SOME MAJOR IRRIGATION OVERHEAD REPAIRS IN THOSE AREAS TOO. UM, AND THEN ON THE SOCCER FIELD, SO ON THAT FIELD ON THE LEFT, THERE'S A FEW WHAT LOOK LIKE SINKHOLE AREAS THAT WERE FILLED WITH ROCK. SO THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE DUG OUT AND EXCAVATED IN ORDER TO GET TO THE IRRIGATION THAT ARE IN THOSE LOCATIONS AS WELL. AND I, I, IF I, IF I COULD, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO JUST JUMP IN AND ADD CONTEXT, IF THAT'S OKAY? YEAH, THAT'S FINE. SO I, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT I, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR THAT PART OF THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S A LIMITED AMOUNT OF FUNDS AS WITH, WITH ANY BUSINESS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO OPERATE. UM, AND SO WHERE WE PUT THOSE FUNDS, THAT IS DETERMINED BY THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR DISTRICT, UM, IS, IS SOMETHING THAT WE STRATEGICALLY THINK OUT TO THE VERY BEST OF OUR ABILITY. UM, NOW WE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD RENOVATE THIS, THE, THESE FIELDS AND WE COULD, UM, PUT EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE INTO THESE FIELDS TO MAKE THEM LOOK SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY, THEY HAVE IN THE CITY, THE, THE CITY PROPERTIES. BUT WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN ON THE OTHER END IS WE WOULD LIKELY NOT BE ABLE TO AT OFFER OUR ADVANCED PLACEMENT, UH, CLASSES. WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO OFFER THEATER. WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO OFFER, UM, ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, HIGHLY TRAINED INSTRUCTIONAL AIDS AT OUR, UM, AT OUR PRIMARY LEVEL OR, UH, REDUCED GREATLY REDUCED RATE FOR OUR PRESCHOOL. SO, UM, SO I, I WANT, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NEGLECT OF THESE PROPERTIES HERE, AND BY LOOKING AT THAT, THEY, THEY HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED, BUT IT IS BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A, UM, A, UM, INTENTIONAL, UM, UNFORTUNATE BUT INTENTIONAL, UM, DECISIONS, UH, TO DIRECT THAT LIMIT THOSE LIMITED FUNDS TO MORE DIRECTLY AFFECT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CLASSROOMS. SO I, I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THAT, THAT, THAT, AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THE, IT WAS GREEN, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS AGO AND, AND, AND NOW IT'S NOT. WE HAD DOUBLE THE, THE AMOUNT OF STUDENTS THAT WE HAD AT, AT, AT SOME POINT NOT LONG AGO, MAYOR TOM, UH, NO BASEBALL TEAM IN 2026, HELP YEAH. HELP MAKE, MAKE THE ARGUMENT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WENT WITH THIS OPTION ONE, I MEAN, THAT'S 600 GRAND IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS WITH NO GUARANTEE YOU'RE GONNA FIELD THE TEAM. AND YES, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF IS THERE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT IN ADDITION TO HOW IT HELPS THE SCHOOL AND UNDERSTAND, I WANT TO HELP THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT, RIGHT? BUT ARE YOU GONNA HAVE A TEAM IN 2027? I, I THINK IT'S A LEGIT, LEGITIMATE QUESTION. WE'VE HAD A TEAM, UH, I BELIEVE EVERY THIS YEAR WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A TEAM. AND QUITE HONESTLY, ONE, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OF REASONS WHY WE DIDN'T, ONE OF 'EM IS WE HAD A LOT OF GRADUATING SENIORS. WE DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF UNDERCLASSMEN THAT WERE, UM, THAT WERE INTERESTED IN PLAYING BASEBALL AT THE TIME. UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD'VE, UM, WE DIDN'T MARKET. TYPICALLY WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS WE TRY TO CONNECT WITH STUDENTS, UM, IN, IN PE CLASSES AND IN OTHER SPORTS AND SAY, LET, LET'S DO WHAT WE CAN TO, TO GET ENOUGH KIDS TO, IN THIS CASE, FIELD A BASEBALL TEAM. THIS, THIS, THIS YEAR WE DID NONE OF THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T, I DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THAT FIELD WAS PLAYABLE ANYWAYS. UM, NOW IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, NO, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE. UM, I WILL, I THINK THE, THE, THE LONG TERM PARTNERING WITH THE CITY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SOMEONE THAT WOULD, UM, EVEN THINK TO SAY, HEY, WE FIXED THIS BASEBALL FIELD AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE 30 KIDS JUST VYING TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, TO PLAY AT EVERY POSITION IT'S GOING, ESPECIALLY WITH, SAY WITH BASEBALL. IT TAKES PARTNERING [02:30:01] WITH YOUTH ORGANIZATIONS TO BE A PART OF BASEBALL, TO PLAY T-BALL, TO PLAY, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, TO PLAY YOUTH, YOUTH BASEBALL, AND THEN TO PLAY IN MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THEN BE, BE ABLE TO PLAY IN HIGH SCHOOL. SO, UM, BUT I MEAN, NOBODY'S GONNA PLAY WITH THE WAY THAT, UH, THE FIELD IS SET UP RIGHT NOW. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I MEAN, THE, THE BASEBALL FIELD IS YES, A BASEBALL FIELD, UM, BUT WE ALSO RENT THAT FACILITY OUT, UM, FOR DIFFERENT EVENTS, THE, YOU KNOW, THE ARTS FESTIVAL. UM, AND WE WOULD PROBABLY BE INTERESTED IN RENTING IT OUT FOR O OTHER ASPECTS AS, AS WELL. BUT THE, JUST THE QUALITY OF THE FIELD IS JUST, I MEAN, EVEN FOR WALKING AROUND ON THAT FIELD, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST REALLY NOT ALL THAT SUITABLE FOR IT. BUT I WOULD SAY LEGITIMATE QUESTION ONE WORTH ASKING, I CAN'T GUARANTEE IT. UM, BUT, UM, DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN THE WAY THAT THE FIELD IS SET RIGHT NOW. CAN I JUST GO AHEAD AND ASK WHILE I'M AT IT? SO WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THINGS WITH, IS THERE A GIRL SOFTBALL TEAM THIS YEAR AND, YEAH. YEAH. SO, UM, SOFTBALL TEAM IS, OUR GIRLS SOFTBALL TEAM IS ACTUALLY THRIVING, FAIRLY THRIVING. UM, WE HAVE A STRONG MIDDLE SCHOOL TEAM, UM, AND WE HAVE, UH, ADEQUATE PARTICIPATION IN THE HIGH SCHOOL AS WELL, WHICH IS ACTUALLY ANOTHER REASON. SO WE, WE HAVE MIDDLE SCHOOL AT RED ROCKS MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL. TYPICALLY, WHEN YOU HAVE TWO TEAMS LIKE THAT, UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A COUPLE DIFFERENT FIELDS. AND SO WHAT OUR MIDDLE SCHOOL HAS DONE IS PLAYED ON THE PRACTICE FACILITY WHILE THE HIGH SCHOOL TEAM IS PRACTICING ON, ON THE SOFTBALL TEAM. NOW, IT'S NOT IDEAL, BUT HAVING AN ADDITIONAL FIELD WOULD, WOULD MEAN THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, HAVE EXTRA SPACE FOR OUR, UM, UH, FOR OUR, OUR MIDDLE SCHOOL TEAM AND, UM, OUR HIGH SCHOOL TEAM, WHICH IS, UH, UH, FOR SOFTBALL AS WELL. HOW MANY ACRES IS THE FIELD THAT YOU RENT OUT? DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND? I DO NOT KNOW OFFHAND. I CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION. I DO NOT. I'D RATHER NOT. MAYBE JOSH DOES THE, I DON'T HAVE IT INDIVIDUALLY, BUT THE COMBINED ACREAGE OF THOSE THREE IS JUST UNDER FIVE. SO IT'S LIKE 4.9 ACRES BE A GOOD EVENT SPACE. . KATHY, MY QUESTION ACTUALLY IS MORE TOWARD THE NEXT SLIDE, BUT IT'S LINKED IN. CAN, CAN WE GO TO THAT ONE OR, I MEAN, MAYBE WE CAN START WITH THAT OPTION ONE AND WE CAN GO OVER WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE. WELL, I HAD A QUESTION THOUGH, TO UNDERSTAND, AND WE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHEN WE SAY ON OPTION TWO, YOU'VE GOT ONE FIELD ONLY WE CHOOSE ANY FIELD, OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC FIELD? WE CHOOSE ANY, THANK YOU. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. OH GOD. OKAY. CONTINUE, PLEASE. BACK ONE, BACK ONE. OKAY. SO, UM, LIKE WE MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE'S GONNA BE FOUR OPTIONS FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT TONIGHT. UM, IT'S A COMBINATION OF DOING THE WORK IN-HOUSE OR CONTRACTING IT OUT. UM, THIS FIRST OPTION IS FOR THREE FIELDS, A ONE-TIME COST OF $394,000, WHICH GOES TOWARDS, UM, EQUIPMENT, THE FIELD REMEDIATION, AND A NEW VEHICLE FOR THAT. AND THEN NEW STAFF AS WELL. AND THEN ONGOING COSTS FOR, YOU KNOW, STAFFING, EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE, FUEL HERBICIDES, PESTICIDES, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT COME IN, UM, TO MAINTAINING A FIELD. UM, SO WHEN WE TOOK THIS APPROACH FOR DOING THIS WORK IN HOUSE, UM, OUR MAINTENANCE STAFF TOOK AN APPROACH OF A VERY SUSTAINABLE, FISCALLY SUSTAINABLE APPROACH, TRYING TO KEEP THE COST DOWN. UM, WE WENT WITH A SMALLER MOWER TO KEEP THE COST DOWN ON EQUIPMENT, CAPITAL, EQUIPMENT COSTS. UM, WE ALSO, RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, TEARING OUT ALL THE GRASS AND REGRADING THE ENTIRE FIELD, WE'RE GONNA DO, WE'RE GONNA SHAVE OFF THOSE HIGH AREAS. RESEED IS NEEDED, SAVE WHAT WE CAN. WE ARE NOT GOING TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE IRRIGATION SYSTEM. WE'RE JUST GONNA REPLACE SPRINKLER HEADS AT, AT, UM, ONE AT A TIME AS THEY'RE NEEDED. UM, SO KIND OF TAKING A VERY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH AND KIND OF NURSING THIS THING BACK TO HEALTH, UM, AS WE'VE DONE ON SOME OF OUR EXISTING FIELDS IN THE PAST. SO, AND THEN OPTION TWO, UH, IS FOR ONE FIELD ONLY. AGAIN, WE CHOOSE THE FIELD WE WANT. UM, THAT WOULD ONLY REQUIRE ONE FTE, AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE NEW STAFF, UM, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. THIS ISN'T STAFF DEDICATED TO JUST THESE [02:35:01] THREE FIELDS OR JUST THIS ONE FIELD. THAT STAFF MEMBER WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO ALL OF OUR PARKS, UM, AND DOING THE ROUNDS FOR THAT, THE MOWING, THE IRRIGATION, THE TRASH, THE STRIPING, THE BASES, EVERYTHING THAT COMES INTO TO MAINTAINING THOSE. SO, UM, BUT WE WOULD STILL NEED THE SAME EQUIPMENT, THE SAME VEHICLE AS, AS THE WAY WE, UH, MAN OUR VEHICLES IS, IS TWO MEN PER TRUCK AND WE'RE MAXED OUT THERE. SO WE WOULD NEED A NEW VEHICLE, WHETHER WE HAVE ONE OR TWO THERE. UM, THIS THIRD OPTION IS FOR OUTSOURCING ALL OF THE WORK. UM, THIS IS NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON FOR THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WE PUT TOGETHER FOR IN-HOUSE. UM, THESE ONE TIME COSTS TO RENOVATE THE FIELDS INCLUDE COMPLETE REMOVAL OF ALL THE SOD, COMPLETE REMOVAL OF THE IRRIGATION, COMPLETE REMOVAL OF ALL THE, UM, INFIELD DIRT, AND A REHAB OF ALL OF THAT. SO RATHER THAN LIKE A HOME RENOVATION, IT'S, IT'S STARTING FROM SCRATCH, LIKE ALMOST LIKE A HOME ADDITION. UM, AND THEN THE ONGOING COSTS, UM, THOSE ARE SPREAD OUT, UM, ON EQUAL PAYMENTS FOR A MONTH, AND THAT INCLUDE OR EQUAL PAYMENTS PER MONTH, PER YEAR. UM, AND THAT INCLUDES, UH, WEEKLY MOWING AND GENERAL MAINTENANCE, IRRIGATION INSPECTION AND REPAIRS, FERTILIZATION, UM, ONE LASER GRADE OF THE INFIELD BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL FIELDS PER YEAR, AND SOME PRE-EMERGENCE TO PREVENT WEEDS. AND THEN OPTION FOUR IS ADDITIONAL PROJECTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED DURING THAT WALKTHROUGH. UM, THE FIRST IS NEW BATTING CAGE FENCING. THE TENNIS COURTS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT. UM, IT WAS OUR OPINION THAT IT JUST NEEDED A GOOD CLEANING AND NEW WINDSCREENS AND DIDN'T NEED A FULL, UM, RESURFACING. AND THEN THE TURF FOOTBALL FIELD NEEDS A BRUSHING AND INFILL INFILL OF THE MATERIAL THAT HOLDS THAT TURF TOGETHER. UH, IT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN OUR, OUR KNOWLEDGE FOR SINCE, SINCE ITS INITIAL INSTALLATION. UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DONE PROBABLY YEARLY OR BY YEAR, LIKE EVERY OTHER YEAR. SO, AND ALL THAT IS CONTRACTED OUT. JUST, UH, THAT'S, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. ALL OF THAT IS CONTRACTED WORK AND JOSH? YES. AND SO OBVIOUSLY IF COUNCIL CHOSE TO DO THIS, THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER SCHOOL DISTRICT PARTNERSHIP. SO I WANTED TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THE OTHER PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND SEDONA CHARTER SCHOOL AS WELL. SO CURRENTLY SEDONA PARKS AND RECREATION, AS YOU KNOW, OPERATES AND MAINTAINS THE WEST SEDONA SCHOOL POOL. SO THAT POOL IS OWNED BY WEST SEDONA, AND THE CITY OPERATES IT CITY ONLY, MEMORIAL DAY THROUGH THE END OF OCTOBER, AND THEN YEAR ROUND WITH THE HELP OF THE SWIM TEAMS THERE, AS WELL AS THE FY 27 ADDITIONAL AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS THAT WAS DISCUSSED BACK AT THE APRIL COUNCIL MEETING. SO THAT WOULD BE THE CITY TAKING ON THOSE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS AND ADDING ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS AND CAMPS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT AFTER SCHOOL. WE DO UTILIZE THE WEST SEDONA SCHOOL GYM FOR OUR YOUTH BASKETBALL PROGRAM THAT GETS ABOUT 150 KIDS ANNUALLY IN GRADES FIRST THROUGH EIGHTH, AS WELL AS WE DO OUR OPEN GYM BASKETBALL PROGRAM THERE TUESDAY, THURSDAYS AND SUNDAY EVENINGS FOR ADULTS AND UTILIZE THE WEST SEDONA SCHOOL GYM THERE TOO FOR THE POOL AND THE WEST SEDONA SCHOOL GYM. BOTH OF THOSE ARE THROUGH IGAS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE CITY IN ORDER FOR THE, UM, YEAH, IN ORDER FOR THE SCHOOL TO THE CITY TO OPERATE THE POOL AND, UM, CITY TO USE THE SCHOOL GYM AND STUFF LIKE THAT WITHOUT PAYING THE RENTAL FEE ON THOSE. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THE SECURITY EVALUATION AND ENHANCEMENT AS ANOTHER PARTNERSHIP EXAMPLE THERE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND THIS IS A LIST OF THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. SO OPTIONS ONE THROUGH FOUR WITH THE ONE TIME COST, ONGOING COST, AND THEN HOW THAT AFFECTS THE OVERALL ADJUSTED TENTATIVE BUDGET THAT STERLING WAS AWESOME TO PUT TOGETHER THERE. PETE, JUST A QUICK QUESTION, JOSH, ON OPTION THREE, THAT WAS JUST A SINGLE BID, WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME REALLY TO GO OUT AND DO A CORRECT, THAT WAS A SINGLE BID THROUGH THE SAME LANDSCAPING COMPANY THAT THE CITY HAS THE CONTRACT WITH FOR ALL THE LANDSCAPING CITYWIDE. AND TOM, I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU TESTIFIED HERE WITH US BEFORE, THAT NUMBER MIGHT HAVE LOOKED A LOT DIFFERENT, BUT WHEN THEY FINALLY DECIDED TO THINK ABOUT A MORE FORMAL BID, THAT NUMBER WENT UP QUITE A BIT, DIDN'T IT, BRIAN? TOM, IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE ONE OF THE THREE FIELDS TO HAVE REHABILITATED, WHICH WOULD BE YOUR [02:40:01] PRIORITY IF, IF I HAD TO CHOOSE IT WOULD BE BASEBALL, EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE A TEAM THIS YEAR? WELL, I, I SEE IT. UM, THE REASON BEING, UM, IN THE TRUE SENSE OF THIS, THIS PARTNERSHIP, UM, IF, IF WE ARE PEELING BACK THOSE LAYERS AND, UM, LOOKING AT A TRUE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AS WELL AS A SCHOOL BENEFIT, I WOULD SEE THE BASEBALL FIELD FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REASONS. ONE IS THE GREEN SPACE IS MUCH LARGER. UM, SO THERE COULD BE EVENT SPACE. YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE PLAYING BASEBALL TO ENJOY THAT SPACE. YOU CAN BRING FRISBEES, UM, IN PLAY. I, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT WE UTILIZE THE, THE SPAC VERY, THE COMMUNITY UTILIZES UTILIZES SPAC VERY HEAVILY AS WELL AS THE TRACK AND FIELD. IT IS AN EYESORE, AND AS I, AS I TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, AND IT, IT'S UNFORTUNATE, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL EVENTS THAT WE HAVE ON CAMPUS WHEN, UM, UH, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN A GREAT SUCCESS. AND INSTEAD OF WALKING AWAY FEELING A, A SENSE OF GREAT PRIDE OF BEING IN THIS COMMUNITY, UM, MAYBE THEY DO WALK AWAY WITH PRIDE, BUT THERE'S ALSO THAT QUESTION OF WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON WITH THAT BASEBALL FIELD. IF IF MY GRANDSON OR MY SON WAS A BASEBALL PLAYER, OR MAY, MAYBE MY GRANDSON IS A BASEBALL PLAYER, I WOULD NEVER WANT HIM TO GO TO THIS SCHOOL BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE WAY THAT THAT FIELD LOOKS. SO, UM, SO IN THE, IN THE TRUEST SENSE OF THE, THE, UM, I GUESS THE IDEA OF WORKING TOGETHER TO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AND THE SCHOOL, UM, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. AND IT'S ALSO IN THE ROUGHEST SHAPE OF ALL OF THEM. AND THEN ON OPTION FOUR, WHERE THERE'S THE ADDITIONAL ITEMS, THE BATTING CAGE, FENCING, TENNIS COURT, WIND SCREENS, TURF FOOTBALL FIELD, UM, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PRIORITY OUT OF THOSE THREE? UH, I WOULD SAY THE TURF, UM, BRUSHING AND INFIELD, BECAUSE IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE COULD BE VIEWED AS A SAFETY ISSUE. OKAY. THANK YOU. KATHY, FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, ON, ON OPTION FOUR, NONE OF THOSE COMPONENTS ARE INCORPORATED INTO ANY OF THE OTHER OPTIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. SO I THOUGHT I JUST WANTED VERIFICATION. AND JOSH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. SO FROM THE KIDS THAT YOU DEAL WITH RECREATION PROGRAMS, WHAT'S THE HIGHEST, YOU KNOW, DESIRE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ? THE HIGHEST DESIRE THAT WE DON'T HAVE WOULD PROBABLY BE HAVING A LITTLE LEAGUE PROGRAM. IT'S, YOU KNOW, COTTONWOOD, CAMP VERDE HAVE A GREAT THRIVING LITTLE LEAGUE PROGRAM SEDONA USED TWO YEARS AGO THAT WENT AWAY. UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE ONE, SO IT OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD HELP WITH THAT. UM, WE JUST NEED TO GET THE KIDS INTERESTED AND GET THAT GROWING. AND OBVIOUSLY YEARS FROM NOW THAT WOULD HELP GROW INTO A HIGH SCHOOL PROGRAM. BUT YES, LITTLE LEAGUE IS ONE OF THE REQUESTS FROM PARENTS. AND YOU WOULD CALL THAT BASEBALL, NOT SOFTBALL? BOTH. ABSOLUTELY BOTH. WELL, E EITHER COULD EITHER FIELD SUPPORT THAT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AT THE LITTLE LEAGUE LEVEL, EITHER SIZE FIELD COULD, UM, AS KIDS GET OLDER, BASEBALL WOULD BE TOO BIG ON THE SOFTBALL FIELD AS A SOFTBALL FIELD IS A GOOD AMOUNT. SHORTER, BUT YES, ULTIMATELY THAT THE BASEBALL FIELD WOULD FIT BOTH FOR ALL AGES. THE SOFTBALL FIELD WOULD FIT BOTH UP UNTIL YOU HIT MID-TEENS FOR BASEBALL AGE. BUT YOU CAN'T PUT THE LITTLER KIDS ON THE BIGGER FIELD. CORRECT. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. ASK ONE MORE. YEAH, SURE. AND, AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH YOU LAYOUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BATTING CAGES ARE PHYSICALLY LOCATED. CAN YOU POINT THAT OUT SOMEWHERE? SO THEY'RE JUST ADJACENT TO THE, UM, THE, THE, THE, UH, THIRD BASELINE ON THE, ON THE BASEBALL FIELD. UM, QUITE HONESTLY, WE DON'T EVEN REALLY USE THEM ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY'RE PRETTY DILAPIDATED. THOSE DILAPIDATED, UM, THEY WERE NOT MAINTAINED AS THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN. UM, SO WE REALLY DON'T UTILIZE THOSE. BUT I WOULD SAY IN A, UM, ANY HIGH SCHOOL BASEBALL PROGRAM, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY COMMON PRACTICE TO HAVE BASEBALL, UM, TO HAVE BATTING CAGES AVAILABLE. IF I COULD ALSO ADD, AND I KNOW THIS WAS, THIS QUESTION WASN'T ASKED, BUT I'M JUST GONNA PUT IT OUT THERE, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, MY VISION, UM, MAYBE IT'S NOT YOUR VISION, WHICH IS FAIR ENOUGH, BUT MY VISION FOR THIS SPORTS COMPLEX IS NOT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE FIELD, ALTHOUGH I WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE VERY GRATEFUL FOR ONE FIELD. I I DON'T WANT TO, UM, PLEASE DON'T HEAR WHAT I'M NOT SAYING. UM, BUT TO HAVE ONE FIELD THAT IS ELEVATED TO A CERTAIN LEVEL AND THEN THE OTHERS THAT ARE STRUGGLING, I THINK THAT WHEN YOU BRING COMMUNITY MEMBERS ONTO, UM, A CAMPUS LIKE THIS, [02:45:01] UM, IT, IT WOULD BE VERY NICE TO HAVE THE, THE PRACTICE FACILITY AND THE SOFTBALL FACILITY AND THE BASEBALL FACILITY AND THE FOOTBALL AND SOCCER FACILITY AS A WHOLE ALL MATCH, UM, AND, AND THE QUALITY. AND TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THOSE GROUNDS TO WALK AWAY FROM THOSE GROUNDS. AS I SAID, FEELING VERY PROUD, UH, TO BE A PART, A PART OF THE SEDONA COMMUNITY AND, AND VERY EXCITED TO POTENTIALLY RAISE THEIR KIDS HERE AS WELL. ROXANNE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. IF WE WERE TO CHOOSE ONE OF THE, UH, OPTIONS WHERE WE DID THE MAINTENANCE AND YOU JUST SAID THAT THE ADDITIONAL STAFF WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO PERFORM ADDITIONAL WORK THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY CONTRACTING OUT? WOULD THERE BE A SAVINGS THERE? UM, I DON'T THINK SO. UM, SO WE ESTIMATED FOR ALL THREE FIELDS, UH, DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF YEAR, 40 TO 60 MAN HOURS A WEEK TO MAINTAIN JUST THESE THREE FIELDS. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT TWO FULL-TIME PEOPLE, THAT'S NOT 80 HOURS A WEEK, RIGHT? SO THEY, THEY WOULD HELP OUT WITH MAINTENANCE AT OUR OTHER FIELDS, WHICH, UM, WE CURRENTLY DO. UM, SOMETIMES WE RUN INTO OVERTIME WITH IT, DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF YEAR, BUT, UM, NO, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE ENOUGH STAFF TO ELIMINATE CONTRACTED WORK, BUT MAY BE OVER TIME, PROBABLY NOT OVER TIME. , I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT THESE TWO STAFF COULD TAKE OVER THE WORK OF SOMETHING THAT'S CONTRACTED WITH AN ENTIRE CREW THAT DOES THE WORK, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. BUT, UM, THEY WOULD, THERE'D BE A BENEFIT TO THE CITY FROM THEIR AMOUNT OF TIME THEY WEREN'T SPENDING WORKING? OF COURSE, YEAH. THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD WORK ON OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE DO IN HOUSE, BUT, BUT WOULD NOT REPLACE A CONTRACTOR SAY, YOU KNOW, DOING LANDSCAPING ALONG 89 A NO, THERE WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH TIME FOR TO TAKE OVER THAT CONTRACT, FOR EXAMPLE, CHARLOTTE. WELL, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU MEANT OVERTIME OR OVERTIME. NO, OVERTIME JUST WHAT ROXANNE WAS REFERRING TO. RIGHT. SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO, UH, PAY OVERTIME JUST TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN, IN PEAK SEASONS AND WHATNOT. SO, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING THAT PERHAPS WE WOULD BE SAVING OVERTIME. NO, YOU WERE GIVING HER AN OPPORTUNITY. I WAS, SHE WOULD, SHE DIDN'T BITE ON IT EITHER. WELL, I THOUGHT YOU MEANT, SO I MUST HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION. I THOUGHT YOU MEANT WOULD, WOULD THESE TWO STAFF MEMBERS BE ABLE TO REPLACE A CONTRACT THAT WE WE'VE HAVE FOR CONTRACTING OUTWORK AND NO, THAT WOULD NOT BE THE CASE. CORRECT? I HEARD THAT CLEARLY. THEN I ASKED YOU ABOUT THE OVERTIME. I'M SORRY, I MISUNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION. IT'S OKAY. TAKE THE BAIT. SO THE, TOM, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO YEAH, SO I, I MEAN, UM, THE, THE OTHER PIECE AND, AND ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY THANKFUL TO EVEN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, UH, TO, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO OPEN THIS PARTNERSHIP AND, AND MOVE FORWARD. UM, BUT I JUST WANT TO KIND OF CLARIFY THIS, THIS POTENTIAL, THIS VISION, THIS POTENTIAL VISION FOR THIS SPORTS COMPLEX. MOST, MOST CITIES AS, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, HAVE SOME TYPE OF SPORTS COMPLEX TO HAVE TOURNAMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I KNOW MY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE IN, UH, IN MICHIGAN AND IN THE VALLEY, WHEN MY DAUGHTERS, UH, PLAYED SOFTBALL, THERE WERE SEVERAL FIELDS AVAILABLE AND THEY HAD LITTLE LEAGUE RIGHT NEXT TO IT, ALL THESE FAMILIES COMING TOGETHER, YOU HAD FOOD TRUCKS, THAT TYPE OF THING. IT'S VERY, IT WAS VERY COMMUNITY DRIVEN. UM, THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING THAT I THINK HAS THE POTENTIAL WITH THIS PROPERTY IS AVAILABLE, IS THAT WE HAVE, UM, IT'S NOT JUST FOR OUR SEDONA STUDENTS, IT'S ALSO, UM, FOR OUR SEDONA, UM, UH, KIDS TO PARTNER AND, AND COMPETE WITH OTHER NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES ON THIS, YOU KNOW, PREMIER FACILITY THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US. UM, YOU KNOW, I, IT, IT DOESN'T, I GUESS IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY NEED TO HAPPEN ALL AT ONCE, BUT WE'RE JUST, JUST KEEP STEPPING AND MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. I THINK IT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD THING FOR EVERYBODY. WELL, OKAY, COMMENT TIME. OKAY, I HAVE COMMENTS. I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE COMMENTS. MM-HMM . AND I HAVE, UM, TWO CARDS. ONE FROM TIM PERRY AND ONE FROM ED KETTLER. SO TIM, GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA STAFF'S PROPOSALS FOR A $98 MILLION BUDGET BEAR NO RELATIONSHIP WHATSOEVER TO REALITY. THE ACTUAL COST OF WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES, THE CITY OF SEDONA TO DO COMES [02:50:01] IN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND $3 MILLION. EVERYTHING THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY WANT THE CITY TO DO COULD BE DONE QUITE EASILY UNDER THE EXPENDITURE LIMIT OF 15.4 MILLION. AND INSTEAD, WE HAVE PROPOSALS FOR $98 MILLION OF BLOAT AT A TIME WHEN MANY REAL WORKING PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING 40 TO 50% COST OF LIVING INCREASES IN SOME CATEGORIES. GREAT WAY TO SHOW SOLIDARITY WITH THE WORKERS' COUNCIL. OF COURSE, THIS COUNCIL COULDN'T RESIST IN RENEWING ITS COMMITMENT TO VIOLENCE BY ALLOCATING PUBLIC FUNDS FOR ITS STATE SANCTIONED CORPSE OF MURDERERS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, FROM A MORAL PERSPECTIVE MEANS THAT ALL OF THE COUNSELORS ARE MURDERS OR AS WELL, I NOTE THAT THE STAFF ARE TRYING TO PRESENT THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AS IF IT'S A DECREASE FROM LAST YEAR. BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS TO LOOK AT HOW THEY CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION, BECAUSE ALL THEY REALLY DID WAS SHUFFLE OFF A FEW OF THE UNNEEDED CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE JUST RESUME PADDING ANYWAY. AND IN THAT GAP THEY CREATED, THEY WERE SOMEHOW ABLE TO FIND THE ROOM TO INCREASE THEIR SALARIES, BENEFITS, AND NUMBER OF POSITIONS BY 10%. ALL TOLD YEAR OVER YEAR, THEY SIMPLY CONVERTED INDIRECT GRAFT INTO DIRECT GRAFT. VERY CUTE, BARBARA. AND THEN THERE'S THIS LUDICROUS PROPOSAL TO ALLOCATE CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLARS OF TAX MONEY, POTENTIALLY TO MAINTAIN FIELDS OWNED BY A FAILING SCHOOL SYSTEM, RUN BY A BUNCH OF CHILD ABUSERS FIELDS THAT WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHO ARE PAYING THE TAXES TO USE THEM. I COULD GO THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT PAGE BY PAGE AND TEAR IT TO SHREDS, BUT WHY BOTHER THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES? $40 MILLION TO BUY A ONE ACRE PARCEL OF LAND, A BUS BARN THAT USED TO BE $20 MILLION AND IS NOW WHAT, 30 35? A NEW PARKING GARAGE, THE PER SPACE COST OF WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE THREE TIMES THE COST OF THE PARKING GARAGE WE ALREADY HAVE AND DON'T NEED, WHICH IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN ARIZONA. AS A RESIDENT, I COMPLETELY OPPOSE THIS BUDGET. HOWEVER, SWITCHING HATS FOR A MOMENT. AS THE TREASURER OF THE SMALL TOWN SEDONA POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE, I WELCOME COUNCIL'S POTENTIAL APPROVAL OF THIS GROTESQUE BUDGET BECAUSE YOU WILL GIVE THE PEOPLE OF THIS TOWN ONE MORE REASON TO VOTE NO ON HOME RULE AND TO VOTE THIS GANG OF FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE LUNATICS OUT OF OFFICE. ONE FINAL QUESTION FOR COUNCIL AND STAFF TO PONDER. YOU REALLY THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT DISTINGUISHED BUDGET PRESENTATION AWARD AGAIN THIS YEAR? IF YOU'RE APPARENTLY GONNA HAVE TO FIRE YOUR AUDITORS FOR MAKING SO MANY MISTAKES. ED? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR REARRANGING THE SCHEDULE SO I CAN GET HERE. I APPRECIATE THAT. GOOD EVENING. I'M ED KETTLER FROM SEDONA. COUPLE OF COMMENTS. UM, TRANSIT MAINTENANCE FACILITY AT THAT COST. IT'S IN THE BUDGET. HAVE YOU GUYS LOOKED AT THE PLANS AT ALL? YOU KNOW HOW MANY MAINTENANCE BAYS YOU'RE GETTING FOR THAT SIX, THAT'S FIVE OR $6 MILLION PER BAY. YOU'RE BUILDING A TILT UP CONCRETE BUILDING WHERE IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL STEEL BUILDING WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER, MUCH MORE COST-EFFECTIVE OPTION. WHY ARE YOU SPENDING THAT KIND OF MONEY FOR THAT LITTLE BANG FOR THE BUCK? UH, SECOND ONE IS THE SYCAMORE BUILDING ON BREWER. UH, THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT JUST SOLD THE BIG PARK SCHOOL FOR $10 MILLION, AND YET, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU READ THAT, THERE'S 49 OR $59 MILLION IN THE BUDGET. WHY? THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. UH, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ANDY. I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THE SIM FIVE SERIES PROJECTS, GO BACK AND REDO THE TRAFFIC STUDIES. NOW WE HAVE THINGS IN THE, IN ON THE PLANS FOR INTELLIGENT LIGHTING AND REPLACE A BIG ROUNDABOUT AND A VERY SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH AN INTELLIGENT FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION. THERE'LL BE LESS COSTLY, LESS IMPACTFUL, AND IMPROVE THE EVACUATION IN THAT AREA. AND, UH, SPEAKING OF EVACUATIONS, I FOUND A COUPLE OF SIGNS. THEY'RE ABOUT THAT BIG. DON'T EVEN HAVE WHAT ZONE NUMBER IS IN IT. IT'S GOT A QR CODE. IT'S NOT REALLY HELPFUL FOR GETTING PEOPLE OUT. I'D LIKE TO ALSO SEE THAT YOU TALK TO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR YOUR, THE, UH, EMERGENCY COORDINATOR AND GET ALL OF THE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THE HOTELS TO HAVE EVACUATION ZONE INFORMATION IN EACH OF THE ROOMS OR IN EACH OF THE HOMES TO HELP US MOVE FORWARD AND GET A SAFER CITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ED. THAT'S ALL THE CARDS I HAVE. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK, NOW'S THE TIME. [02:55:01] OKAY, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC FORUM BACK TO COUNCIL CHARLOTTE, WE'RE, WE'RE INTO THE COMMENT PHASE, RIGHT? MM-HMM . UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO COMMENT THAT I ACTUALLY PREFER, UH, THE NUMBER THREE. I PREFER THE IT OUT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE, JUST EVERY TIME WE ADD STAFF, THE COST WILL CONTINUE TO GROW FOR SALARIES AND ERE OVER THE YEARS. UM, AND IN THE, FRANKLY, IN THE POTENTIAL, WELL, WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF HOME RULE NOT CONTINUING OR, OR, AND MO OR MOVING TO A PBA, UM, I WOULD HATE TO BRING PEOPLE ON AND THEN HAVE TO LAY 'EM OFF. SO I WOULD, I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO, UH, BITE THE BULLET. YOU'RE GONNA SPEND MORE, UM, ONE TIME WITH THE, WHAT THE CONTRACTOR'S WILLING TO DO INSTEAD OF, LIKE YOU SAID, KIND OF NURSING IT BACK TO HEALTH. UM, AND JUST GET IT DONE. WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT THE MONEY, AND IF WE WANT TO ASSIST THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THIS WOULD BE A BIG ASSIST. AND I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE IDEA OF WHAT THE CITY CAN GET OUT OF THIS IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL FIELDS FOR OUR OWN USE OR, UM, LAWN SPACES AND EVENT SPACES. SO IT, IT'S, I DO THINK IT CAN BE A WIN-WIN. SO, BUT I LIKE NUMBER THREE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? PETE? KATHY? KATHY? SO WHEN WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION, UM, IT STARTED AS WE MET WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, TALK ABOUT HOUSING ISSUES, AND IT'S MORPHED INTO A MILLION DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO, UH, UH, SPORTS FIELDS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SPORTS USES. THAT CONCERNS ME, THAT WE STARTED OVER HERE AND ENDED UP OVER HERE. UM, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. BUT I'M WONDERING SINCE THAT THE ORIGINAL DIRECTION THAT WE WERE GOING IN HASN'T STILL BEEN ADDRESSED, AND ALL OF THESE NUMBERS HAVE COME UP, AND I'M A LITTLE, UM, UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE PROCESS, I GUESS, THAT WE EMPLOYED BECAUSE WE START OUR CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CAPITAL PROJECTS AND UNDERSTANDING THEM BACK AT THE BEGINNING WHEN WE, WHEN WE HAVE OUR DECEMBER, YOU KNOW, PRIORITY SESSIONS AND WE SET PRIORITIES FOR THE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY. THESE PROJECTS DID NOT HAVE THE BENEFIT OF GOING THROUGH OUR WHOLE DECEMBER AND THEN APRIL. I MEAN, IT CAME UP LATE. WE HAD A CONVERSATION. IT MORPHED INTO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAN WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS, WAS ORIGINALLY MEANT TO BE. THESE CAME FORWARD WITH SOME PRETTY STAGGERING NUMBERS, SOME OF THEM HERE. UM, AND I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I THINK THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT PROCESS FOR SOME OF THIS. AND I UNDERSTAND WE WANT TO HELP THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE WE WANT THE SCHOOLS TO BE AN ATTRACTIVE ELEMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT GOES HAND IN HAND WITH, UM, BRINGING FAMILIES BACK. BUT I, I, THE, THE WHOLE PROCESS JUST CONCERNS ME. UM, I THINK WE NEED BETTER ANALYSIS. COUNCILOR HOSSEIN, YOU JUST SAID, OF WHAT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS. AND BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN SO ABBREVIATED, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT. I WANNA KNOW HOW MANY PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS, CITIZENS THAT ARE NOT AUTOMATICALLY THE SCHOOL, UM, THE SCHOOL POPULATION, THE SCHOOL KIDS, HOW MANY ARE GOING TO USE OF OUR CITIZENS ARE GOING TO USE SOME OF THESE FIELDS? I THERE'S INFORMATION MISSING TO HELP ME MAKE THE BEST INFORMED DECISION. I MEAN, I CAN MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT AS WE GO FORWARD OF WHAT I THINK, BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE GONE THE BEST PROCESS WITH THIS AND WE'VE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED BECAUSE WE CIRCUMVENT THE PROCESS. SO THAT'S A CONCERN THAT I JUST WANTED TO STATE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YEAH, I'M GONNA LARGELY AGREE WITH BOTH MY COLLEAGUES THAT HAVE SPOKEN SO FAR THAT I, I TOO WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROCESS, HOW WE GOT HERE. BUT, AND I WILL SAY THAT I SUPPORTED THE MORPHING OF THE CONVERSATIONS START OFF WITH HOUSING TO HOW ELSE CAN WE HELP? AND SO, UH, AND, AND I WANNA SAY THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR STAFFS WHO GOT TO THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HERE TODAY. WE OFTEN GET ACCUSED MOVING REALLY SLOW. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I THINK WE MOVE PRETTY DARN QUICK. MAYBE A LITTLE TOO QUICK PROCESS RELATED CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. UH, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'RE OUTLINING, [03:00:01] AND I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE GENERAL DIRECTION HERE OF FIGURING OUT A WAY TO HELP THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF ITS FIELDS AND, AND A BETTER PRESENTATION TO ITS STUDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY. UM, BUT IT IS AT, UH, NOT AT THE COST. IT, IT, IT COMES HAND IN HAND WITH A JOINT USE AGREEMENT, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE DONE HERE YET. AND I'M AFRAID THAT SETTING BUDGET NUMBERS THAT ARE THIS BIG, EVERYONE WILL HAVE THEIR OWN IDEA OF WHAT A PROPER JOINT USE AGREEMENT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. AND WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR A NEGOTIATION THAT HASN'T YET HAPPENED ABOUT WHAT IT REALLY DOES LOOK LIKE. AND SO I WOULD REALLY PREFER THAT WE START THIS PROCESS AGAIN FOR OUR NEXT BUDGET YEAR, AND WE BRING IT ALL TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE HAVE A, A LONGER, MORE THOUGHTFUL, LESS SPEEDY APPROACH, MAYBE SOME MORE COMPETITIVE BIDS FOR AN OUTSOURCE CONTRACT. AND WE REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THESE COSTS NEED TO BE AND SHOULD BE, AND WE STICK IT INTO THE NORMAL PROCESS FOR OUR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. UM, I PHILOSOPHICALLY, I AGREE KIND OF WITH COUNCILOR HUSSEINI THAT I'D REALLY LIKE THE CONSIDERATION OF A OUTSOURCED CONTRACT TO HAPPEN. BUT MORE FUNDAMENTALLY, TOM, THIS IS YOUR PROPERTY AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE YOU GUYS IN CONTROL OF IT, THAT YOU SET THE STANDARD FOR WHAT THE FIELD MAINTENANCE WANTS TO BE, SHOULD BE, COULD BE, AND THAT YOU'VE GONE OUT AND DONE BIDS FOR, UH, UH, UH, BIDS FOR SERVICE. AND ALSO CONSIDER WHAT THE POTENTIAL COST FOR THE CITY TO DELIVER THAT IS. AND I'M OKAY WITH US HELPING TO PAY FOR IT, BUT AS I DID SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AT THE SAME TIME WITH A JOINT USE AGREEMENT. AND SO WE REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS WHOLE PACKAGE LOOKS LIKE. AND THEN WHEN I THINK ABOUT OPTION FOUR, THESE, I HAVE A HARDER TIME LOOKING AT OPTION FOUR AND DECIDING THAT THESE ARE JOINT USE AGREEMENT THINGS TOO. SO I'M MORE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH OPTION FOUR THAN ANYTHING ELSE. BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN CHARGE OF WHAT REALLY IS THE BEST OPTION, 1, 2, 3 KIND OF THING AND PRESENT THAT BACK TO US AND WE CAN HELP THROUGH THAT. SURELY IT DOESN'T, NOT LAYING IT ALL ON YOU, I THINK IT'S A PARTNERSHIP AND WE WORK TOGETHER, BUT BECAUSE IT'S YOUR PROPERTY, I FUNDAMENTALLY WANNA SEE YOU IN CHARGE OF THE PROCESS, UH, NOT US. AND SO, YOU KNOW, MY, MY RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL IS THAT WE ACTUALLY JUST DEFER THIS ITEM AND STICK IT THROUGH THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. AND TOM, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU CAN GUT OUT ANOTHER YEAR, YOU KNOW, OF, OF, OF WHAT'S GOING ON. SURELY IN YOUR OWN PROCESSING OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ITEMS, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T MOVE ALWAYS THIS QUICK AND WE CAN TAKE SOME TIME TO MAKE A A, A BETTER DECISION. YEAH, NO, I, I APPRECIATE ALL THIS. I, I APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO MOVE THIS, UH, CONVERSATION FORWARD. AS FAR AS THE JOINT USE AGREEMENT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY, UH, I MEAN THE, WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT IN FRONT OF US, BUT UM, AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED, IT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO, UM, WE, THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, WOULD HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST OPTION. FIRST OF ALL, IT WOULD HAVE TO STAY WITHIN THE SCHOOL'S USE DURING THE SCHOOL DAY AND FOR OUR PRACTICES. AND THEN AFTER THAT, THE, UM, THE CITY WOULD HAVE THE, THE, THE FIELD AVAILABILITY. UM, AND UNLESS THERE WAS ANOTHER, UM, ENTITY THAT WAS RENTING THE PROPERTY THAT'S THAT, THAT IT'S LOCAL THROUGH THE COMMUNITY IS HOW THEY DO THAT WITH THE, UM, THE, UM, ARTS FESTIVAL AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF US, BUT I WOULD VIEW IT AS VERY SIMILAR TO HOW WE HAVE OTHER AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITY. BRIAN, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, SO I AGREE WITH THE CONCERN OF COUNCILOR KINSELLA. I LIKE HOW COUNCILOR FURMAN FURTHER REFINED THAT I HAVE A WRINKLE I WANNA THROW ON IT, WHICH IS, UM, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THERE BEING A CONTINGENT PLACEHOLDER IN THE BUDGET THAT COULD ALLOW SOMETHING TO HAPPEN DURING FISCAL 27 PENDING AN ACCEPTABLE JOINT USE AGREEMENT BEING NEGOTIATED. UH, TO COUNCILOR HOSSEINI'S POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, US NOT HAVING US HIRE STAFF, IF WE HAVE A JOINT USE AGREEMENT, I WOULD HOPE THAT IT COULD BE STRUCTURED IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE'RE PAYING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF SET AGREEMENT [03:05:01] AND THEY COULD GO HIRE THE STAFF, GET THE EQUIPMENT, ET CETERA. SO IT'S NOT, UH, THE CITY DOING THAT DIRECTLY. AND I THINK YOU GOTTA WALK BEFORE YOU RUN. AND I THINK IT'S, UM, I, I WOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE WITH PLANNING FOR, UM, TAKING ON ALL THREE OF THOSE FIELDS AND EVERYTHING IN NUMBER FOUR. ALL RIGHT OFF THE BAT, I'D LIKE TO SEE A JOINT USE AGREEMENT. I'D LIKE TO SEE A YEAR FROM NOW HOW HAS IT GONE? YOU KNOW, ARE WE GETTING WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD GET? IS THERE THE PUBLIC BENEFIT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET? SO IF I WERE PUTTING A PLACEHOLDER IN THE BUDGET, I WOULD TAKE OPTION TWO AND GET THE, UH, BASEBALL FIELD AND I WOULD ADD IN THE TURF FOOTBALL FIELD, BRUSHING AND INFILL FROM NUMBER FOUR. AND THAT WOULD BE ROUGHLY ABOUT 350,000, UH, APPROXIMATELY. BECAUSE I KNOW FROM EVERY TIME I GO TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, THERE'S SOMEBODY OUT ON THAT, UM, ON THE TURF FOOTBALL FIELD, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S STUDENTS OR WHETHER IT'S PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF USE FOR. AND I CAN ENVISION THAT THERE IS A COMMUNITY BENEFIT FOR THAT. SO THAT'S, UM, MY 2 CENTS ON THIS TOPIC. THANK YOU. ONE, ONE SUGGESTION I MIGHT MAKE IS LOOK AT THE, UM, THE AGREEMENT THAT IS I'M ASSUMING IS IN PLACE FOR THE, UM, THE PLAYGROUND THAT WAS, UM, APPROVED. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT WAS, THAT WAS APPROVED. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE BEFORE THAT AS WELL. SO I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT MAYBE WE LOOK AT THAT AND UM, TRY TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR IF, IF WE'RE HOLDING OUT BECAUSE OF THAT, UM, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I WOULD, I WOULD LOOK AT. 'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS APPROVED PREVIOUSLY FOR THE CHARTER SCHOOL MAYOR AND COUNCIL. IF I MIGHT, WE, THIS WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE THE TIME TO PROVE ALL THE DETAILS OF THESE. THIS WAS JUST THE BUDGET CAPACITY LINEUP AND IT WAS DONE REALLY LATE. AND SO IF COUNCIL EARMARKS THE MONEY, WE WILL THEN GO START NEGOTIATING AND DRAFTING THE JOINT USE FACILITY AGREEMENTS. AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY, WE WILL TAKE THE BASKETBALL COURTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED ABOUT THROUGHOUT THIS, THIS PROCESS. NONE OF THAT'S BEEN WRITTEN DOWN YET. 'CAUSE WE WERE WAITING TO SEE IF THERE SOMETHING COUNCIL EVEN WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD. UH, KATHY, UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO COUNCILOR FURMAN FOR RESTATING MY POSITION BETTER THAN I DID . UM, BUT TO YOUR POINT, UM, VICE MAYOR IS I THINK THE IDEA OF A PLACEHOLDER IS, IS A GOOD IDEA. AND THEN LET'S GET THIS FIGURED OUT. UM, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE IF, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE HOUSE HUNTERS, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, ON TV YOU LOOK AT A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES AND YOU START ELIMINATING, RIGHT? SO MY FIRST ELIMINATION WOULD PROBABLY BE NUMBER ONE. THE REASON BEING THAT I THINK THAT THIS IS A TEST. THIS IS A NEW POTEN, YOU KNOW, A NEW PARTNERSHIP. WE HAVE EXISTING PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE SCHOOL, BUT THIS IS A NEW ONE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE EVERYTHING ON ALL AT ONCE. WE BUILD, EVERYTHING JUST DOESN'T GET FIXED OVERNIGHT. UM, SO I, TO ME ONE IS, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF INVESTMENT THERE, MORE THAN WE CAN TAKE ON FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO TEST PILOT. SO MY OTHER IS, I WOULD PROBABLY, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE FIELD THAT YOU MENTIONED, BUT ADDING ONE OF THOSE ON. BUT GENERALLY IF YOU GROUP THEM ALL TOGETHER, I WOULD STAY AWAY FROM FOUR, UM, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF BANG FOR THE BUCK THERE. UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBER IN THE CONTRACTED MAINTENANCE. UM, IT'S A BIG, BIG NUMBER. AGAIN, THIS IS A PILOT, THIS IS A TEST. I DON'T KNOW IF I WANTED TO PUT ALL OF THAT MUCH INTO IT. UM, AT THIS STAGE, AGAIN, WE WANT THIS TO GROW. WE WANT THE PARTNERSHIPS TO GROW AND BE ONLY BETTER. AND I THINK THE WAY, ONE WAY TO HELP THAT IS TO ONLY TAKE OFF WHAT WE CAN CHEW. UM, I THINK MY LEANING IS TOWARD ITEM TWO. UH, OPTION TWO, UM, I THINK THAT THE, UH, BASEBALL FIELD MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO ME BECAUSE AGAIN, IT IS THE MOST REAL ESTATE. IT GIVES THE MOST DIVERSITY, IT GIVES THE MOST OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC USE BEYOND, UM, THE LIMITATIONS ON THE OTHER FIELDS. SO THAT'S WHERE I AM LEANING AT THIS POINT TO BE CONTINUED. BARBARA, IF I MAY, UM, MADAM MAYOR, THE TOTAL NUMBER ON ONE TIME FISCAL YEAR 27 INCLUDES THE ONGOING. SO FOR FISCAL 27, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADD THE EXTRA LINE. THAT ONGOING IS FOR FUTURE YEARS. SO IF YOU CHOSE OPTION TWO, IT'S 2 25 IN FISCAL 27. THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, BARBARA. IT'S VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. AND JOSH, WHY DON'T YOU WEIGH IN? WHAT DO YOU THINK? TOUGH [03:10:01] ONE. UM, YES, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A BIG THING TO TAKE ON. THAT'S A BIG COUNCIL DECISION ON TAKING OVER A PROJECT LIKE THIS ON THE CITY SIDE OR A COMMUNITY SIDE. THEY CERTAINLY, AS YOU MENTIONED, COULD BE EVENT SPACES, ESPECIALLY THAT TURF FIELD AND THE BASEBALL FIELD WHERE WE COULD HOST SOME EVENTS THERE THAT WOULDN'T BE DAMAGING TO THE ATHLETIC FIELD OR SOME OF THOSE THAT WOULD FIT THAT TYPE OF THING WHERE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO DO THEM ON OUR FIELDS AND WE'RE NOT HAVING THE SPACE IN POSSE GROUNDS. IT CERTAINLY COULD ALSO BE A SPACE WHERE WE START WITH SOME OF THOSE AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS, WHETHER WE STARTED DOING SOME AFTERSCHOOL BASEBALL PROGRAMS OR EVEN GO KICKBALL OR ULTIMATE FRISBEE AND SOME OF THOSE ROUTES AND USE SOME OF THE FIELDS IN THAT WAY AS WELL. CERTAINLY COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD USE ON OUR END IF THIS WAS APPROVED. THANK YOU. CAN I ASK JOSH A QUESTION, MELISSA? SO JOSH, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT LIKE LITTLE LEAGUE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. ARE THERE, DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE LIKE AN ADULT LEAGUE FOR BASEBALL? WE HAVE ADULT SOFTBALL, YES. SOFTBALL, BUT NOT BASEBALL? NO, WE DO ADULT SLOW PITCH SOFTBALL IN THE SUMMER. OKAY. AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE OPTION THAT'S BEING BANDIED AROUND HERE? THAT WOULD JUST BE THE BASEBALL FIELD AND THE TURF BECAUSE THE WAY YOU, YOU, YOU SAID LIKE I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHERE YOU STOOD ON. DO YOU FEEL LIKE MORE FIELDS WOULD BE BETTER, THE OPTION OF ONE FIELD? JUST WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE USEFUL FOR YOU? I MEAN, CERTAINLY MORE FIELDS WOULD BE BETTER. THAT COULD ALL BE UTILIZED IN DIFFERENT WAYS. MY PRIORITY WOULD BE THE BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL FIELD, BOTH FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL IS THOSE OF ACTIVE TEAMS, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY ON THE SOFTBALL SIDE THAT THEY HAVE GOING. BUT IF WE JUST DID THE BASEBALL FIELD, CERTAINLY SOFTBALL WOULD BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT AS WELL. UM, AND PUT A TEMPORARY FENCE IN THE OUTFIELD AND MAKE THAT A SOFTBALL FIELD. THAT WOULD BE LEGAL HIGH SCHOOL STANDARDS THERE TOO. AND THEN THE TURF FIELD, WE'D LOVE TO USE THAT FOR YOUTH SOCCER OR YOUTH SPORTS ALONG WITH THOSE TWO. IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT INFIELD AND MAKE THAT PART OF THE USE AGREEMENT, WHETHER WE DID THE TURF INFILL OR NOT, AND BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT WOULD BE GREAT SPACE. SO YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING FOR AN OPTION, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE HERE, LIKE THE COST OF THE SOFTBALL AND THE BASEBALL FIELDS, BUT NOT THE SOCCER FIELD. WE'VE ALL, YOU'VE GOT ALL THREE OR ONE. SO, SO THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A REASON FOR NOT INCLUDING AN OPTION FOR TWO FIELDS. UM, IN OUR EVALUATION OF THE COST TO REMEDIATE ONE VERSUS THREE. IF YOU DID TWO FIELDS, UH, IT WOULD PROBABLY MORE BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN DOING ALL THREE. SO THERE WAS LIKE AN ECONOMY OF SCALE THERE. SO THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPTION FOR TWO FIELDS. OKAY. SO I JUST WANNA SAY ONE MORE TIME, , GO AHEAD. I THINK GETTING THEM ALL UP TO A CERTAIN LEVEL AT ONCE, UM, REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY'RE MAINTAINED WHETHER IT'S IN WITH, YOU KNOW, IN-HOUSE STAFF OR WITH, OR, OR CONTRACTED REALLY HAS A BENEFIT AND THEN IT'S DONE AND YOU'VE GOT THAT WHATEVER ECONOMY OF SCALE YOU'VE GOTTEN FROM THAT. UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH OUR ABILITY TO HANDLE BUDGETS IN THE FUTURE. AND I JUST WISH WE COULD DO IT ALL AT ONCE IN TERMS OF THE GETTING IT UP TO SPEED. YEAH. OKAY. SO INFORMALLY WE WE'RE GONNA DO A STRAW POLL ON THE FOUR OPTIONS AND MAYBE THERE'S THE FIFTH OPTION, WHICH IS THE BASEBALL FIELD AND THE TURF. RIGHT. OKAY. SO NUMBER ONE, CITY IN-HOUSE MAINTENANCE OF SOFTBALL, BASEBALL, AND SOCCER FIELDS. WHO VOTES FOR THAT? I'M TORN. I SAID I'M TORN. I'M TORN TWO, BUT YOU GOTTA VOTE VOTE FIRST. CAN I ASK? YEAH, OF COURSE. SO, SO THE CLARIFYING POINT FOR ME HERE IS IF YOU DID ALL THREE, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE AND THREE IN ONE, YOU'RE GOING TO SLOWLY BRING THEM SORT OF BACK, RIGHT? SO THAT 394,000 IS AN ESTIMATE TO GET THEM TO 60% OR WHATEVER IT IS, AS OPPOSED TO THE 811, WHICH IS A HUNDRED PERCENT. SO NO, NO, IT'S NOT LIKE SLOWLY OVER A LENGTH OF TIME, BRINGING THEM BACK TO, UH, UH, A USABLE, UM, CONDITION. IT'S BRINGING THEM BACK TO A USABLE CONDITION. THE DIFFERENCE IS, [03:15:01] IS THAT WE ARE TAKING A MINIMALIST APPROACH TO IT. SO WE'RE SHAVING OFF AREAS, WE'RE RE-SEEDING AREAS. WE'RE NOT JUST LIKE CLEARING EVERYTHING OUT AND STARTING FROM FRESH. AND THAT'S WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN THAT CONTRACTED COST AND OUR APPROACH. OUR APPROACH IS, UM, NOT REDOING THE WHOLE THING, IT'S JUST SPOT REPAIRS AND THEN IRRIGATING AND MOWING AND SHAVING DOWN THE WHOLE FIELD RATHER THAN REPLACING EVERYTHING WITH NEW SOD RATHER THAN LASER GRADING EVERYTHING, THE WHOLE FIELD ALL AT ONCE. IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S MORE REHAB RECONSTRUCTION. YES. IT'S MORE REHAB VERSUS RECONSTRUCTION. AND THIS WOULD, SO IT WOULD BE USABLE, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE BRAND NEW. WHEREAS THE OPTION THREE WOULD BASICALLY BE THREE BRAND NEW FIELDS. I'M HEARING THINGS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF WEEDS THAT NEED TO BE REMOVED AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO WEED MAINTENANCE. SO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED WITH NUMBER THREE, DOES THAT HAPPEN WITH NUMBER ONE? EXCEPT WE USE OUR OWN PEOPLE? UH, SO WE WOULD REMOVE WEEDS. WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, SPRAY FOR WEED REMOVAL. WE WOULD DIG OUT WHAT WE HAD TO, WE WOULD, UH, LEVEL THE FIELD WHERE IT NEEDED TO BE LEVELED. THE DIFFERENCE IS THEY'RE COMING IN WITH A BULLDOZER, THEY'RE REMOVING EVERYTHING REGRADING AND BRINGING EVERYTHING IN FRESH. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO REUSE WHAT WE CAN AND THAT'S WHERE THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS. WOULD THEY REFUSE TO DO THAT OR THEY DID NOT WANT THE LIABILITY TO REHAB IT THE WAY WE HAD APPROACHED IT? YEAH. ONE CONTRACTOR. YEAH. YEAH. AND SO WE DON'T KNOW IF WE ALLOCATED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY AND ASKED YOU TO GO AND GET BIDS FOR DOING THE NUMBER ONE TYPE OF REFURBISHMENT. I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY COMPANY WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE ON THAT TYPE OF REFURBISHMENT, ONLY BECAUSE IT IS MORE COST EFFECTIVE FOR THEM WITH THEIR CREWS TO JUST COME IN AND DEMO IT. ESPECIALLY FOR THE ONGOING COSTS FOR TWICE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THOUGH. COULD I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? HMM. COULD I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? YEAH, SURE. SO IF NUMBER ONE WAS DONE AND NUMBER THREE WAS DONE, WOULD THE USER BE ABLE TO TELL ANY DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF, UM, AESTHETICS OR USABILITY OR ANYTHING? I THINK IN TERMS OF USABILITY, NO. UM, IN TERMS OF AESTHETICS, NO. IN TERMS OF LIKE, UM, USER EXPERIENCE POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT NOT BE A COMPLETELY LASER LEVELED FEEL OUTFIELD. THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE UNEVENNESS, THERE MIGHT BE PATCHES OF BROWN FOR A LITTLE BIT UNTIL WE, THE RECEDING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKES AND, AND WE'RE ABLE TO IRRIGATE IT AND BRING IT BACK TO HEALTH. UM, WHEREAS WITH OPTION THREE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING BRAND NEW SOD, IT COMES GREEN ALREADY HAPPY. THIS GOES BACK TO A POINT I MADE EARLIER, THAT THIS IS A PILOT IN A WAY TO SEE HOW THIS WORKS AND WHAT KIND OF USERSHIP WE GET FROM THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. IF IT'S A ROUSING SUCCESS AND THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE IN THOSE FIELDS, WE COULD ALWAYS, IN THE CORRECT BUDGET PROCESS, TIMING NEXT YEAR BE LOOKING AT, WELL, MAYBE WE DO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, LEVEL THE FIELDS AND BRING IT UP TO WHATEVER. SO AGAIN, I, I AM JUST AT THIS POINT, NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT, COMPLETE THE EXPENSE OF THAT COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION IS THE WORD YOU USED, I THINK, VERSUS REHABILITATION. RIGHT? UM, SO JUST, WE CAN ALWAYS GO THERE IF IT'S A SUCCESS. SO I'LL GO BACK TO, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING 'CAUSE I'M STRUGGLING AS WELL, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION. AND SO LET'S START AT THE BEGINNING. NUMBER ONE, WHO SUPPORTS NUMBER ONE? NO. WELL, I JUST ASKED FOR A THUMB UP. OKAY, SO THAT'S, NOBODY SUPPORTS THAT. NUMBER TWO. I MEAN, I CAN LIVE WITH THAT, BUT I WANT NUMBER FIVE. I, YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL ADD THAT FOOTBALL FIELD. WE'LL ADD, SO, SO I CAN LIVE WITH TWO, SO I'M SUPPOSED TO BE, OKAY, WE'LL GET TO THERE IN NUMBER FOUR DISCUSSIONS. I PREFER NUMBER THREE, BUT I CAN LIVE WITH TWO. IF I ONLY GET ONE VOTE, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY VOTES I GET. YEAH, WE'RE VOTING TWICE . AND BY THE WAY, DEREK SENT ME A MESSAGE, NOT THAT HE GETS TO VOTE 'CAUSE HE'S NOT HERE, BUT HE SAID, PLEASE BE GENEROUS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. . I'LL GIVE YOU HIS, HIS VOTE. ALL RIGHT. SO NUMBER TWO, WE JUST DID NUMBER THREE. OKAY. AND COULD I GET THE [03:20:01] NUMBER THREE ONE MORE TIME PLEASE. OKAY. NUMBER FOUR, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE SEPARATE THE ITEMS OUT IN NUMBER FOUR, SINCE THEY ARE ENUMERATED SEPARATELY IN THE PRESENTATION, THAT WOULD BE FINE. BATTING CAGE FENCING. CAN I ASK JOSH OR ROXANNE? WHOMEVER? YEP. I, I HEARD WHY, YOU KNOW, MR. INGER WANTS THE BATTING CAGES. WOULD WE GET ANY BENEFIT OF HAVING THE BATTING CAGES? OKAY, THAT WAS ENOUGH . THAT WAS FINE. THAT WAS FINE. OKAY. I MEAN, YES, SURE. IN A SMALL SCALE, IF WE HAD LITTLE LEAGUE AND LITTLE THINGS GOING ON, WE COULD USE THEM. AND A PUBLIC SCALE IS THE BATING CAGE GETTING USED A LOT. MAYBE OCCASIONALLY BY A FEW PEOPLE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE BIGGEST THING. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S ALL I WANT. THAT'S ALL I NEEDED. YOUR, YOUR INITIAL FACIAL EXPRESSION WAS SATISFACTORY. OKAY. TENNIS COURT WIND SCREENS, AND PROFESSIONAL COURT CLEANING. WE ALREADY MAINTAINED TENNIS COURTS. OKAY. TURF FOOTBALL FIELD BRUSHING AND INFILL. OKAY. WAS THAT FIVE? WE HAVE A YES, YES, YES. WE DANA HERE? YES. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I, AND I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL THAT THIS DOESN'T MEAN WE'VE APPROVED CORRECT ANYTHING AT THIS POINT. WHAT WE'VE SAID IS WE'RE GONNA ALLOCATE MONEY AS A PLACEHOLDER INTO THE BUDGET FOR THESE THINGS, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO WAIT TO SEE UNTIL THEY COME BACK IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. AND ACTUALLY, I THINK YOU, YOU RAISE A REALLY GOOD POINT, BECAUSE THAT'S TRUE FOR MOST OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS. IF WE'RE NOT CONTRACTED TO DO THEM, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN APPROVED, THEY'RE JUST MONEY IN THE BUDGET TOWARDS THEM. BUT THEY'RE NOT APPROVED UNTIL WE ACTUALLY TAKE THEM STEP BY STEP. OKAY. WELL, CAN I, CAN I SAY ONE THING REAL QUICK? I JUST WANNA THANK EVERYBODY AND JUST KNOW THAT IN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, I, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SPEAK FOR OUR BOARD AND IN ITS ENTIRETY, BUT I DO SPEAK FOR THE DISTRICT AND YOU HAVE SOMEONE, UM, THAT REALLY WANTS TO WORK WITH YOU IN CREATING THE BEST COMMUNITY FOR OUR FAMILIES THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY MAKE. AND SO I THANK YOU FOR BEING OPEN-MINDED AND CONTINUING THESE CONVERSATIONS. UM, AND I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S OUR, IT'S OUR FAMILIES, IT'S OUR KIDS. IT'S, AND IT'S OUR COMMUNITY THAT'S GONNA BENEFIT. SO I, I REALLY APPRECIATE IN THESE THREE YEARS, THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT ARE BEING BUILT AND THE TRUST THAT IS BEING BUILT. UH, WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO AGREE, BUT IF, IF, IF WE KEEP FAMILIES IN MIND AT THE FIRST AND FOREFRONT, ONLY GOOD THINGS CAN HAPPEN. SO, THANK YOU. AND COULD I CLARIFY WHAT, WHAT WAS EXACTLY, UM, APPROVED TO BE ALLOCATED? THE BASEBALL, BASEBALL. BASEBALL. OKAY. AND THE, AND THE, IN THE TURF AND THE, OKAY. AND THE TURF. OUR PREFERENCE IS TO CONTRACT IT OUT. IF WE CAN GET ANYONE WHO WANTS TO DO THAT, OTHERWISE WE'LL DO IT IN HOUSE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. THANK YOU. YOU'VE EARNED YOUR MONEY, TOM TONIGHT. . OKAY. SO CAN I ALSO ASK CLARIFYING QUESTION? SO I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE BUDGET NUMBER IS NOW, AM I CORRECT, BARBARA, THAT IT BRINGS US WITH THOSE, WITH THOSE TWO ADDITIONS TO 97,000,663? NO. YES. IS THAT RIGHT? ACTUALLY, YOU TELL ME. INSTEAD OF ME TRYING TO GUESS. YES, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE 300,000 FOR THE POLICE, UM, UPFIT OF THE VEHICLES THAT WASN'T INITIALLY INCLUDED. SO THE TOTAL IS 97 9 63 2 22. SO YOU WERE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. MM-HMM . OKAY. OKAY. IT'S MOTION TIME. WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I HAVE IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME IF YOU WANT TO READ IT, I HAVE IT TOO, BUT, OKAY. UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE 10 TO THE BUDGET FOR FY 20 26, 27 AND THEREBY SET THE EXPENDITURE LIMIT FOR THE FY 20 26 27 BUDGET AT $97,963,222 GOING ONCE YOU SURE. THOSE NUMBERS OKAY. OH YEAH. STERLING'S CALCULATING IT. OKAY. LIKE, AS WE SPEAK. IS THERE A SECOND? A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. DONE WITH THIS ITEM. THANK YOU, JOSH, ROXANNE, STERLING, AND BARBARA. [03:25:05] OKAY. NEXT [9.d. AB 3351 Discussion/possible action regarding ideas for possible policy proposals for consideration by the League of Arizona Cities and Towns’ Policy Committees as part of the League's legislative agenda for 2027.] ITEM IS D, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING IDEAS FOR POSSIBLE POLICY PROPOSALS FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE LEAGUE OF ARIZONA CITIES AND TOWNS POLICY COMMITTEES AS PART OF THE LEAGUE'S LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FOR 2027. AND I THINK WE WILL BE HEARING FROM LAUREN. OKAY. SO GOOD EVENING. KATHY SENSEMAN SHOULD BE JOINING US. SHE'S STILL WIDE-EYED AND BUSHY-TAILED. UH, WE HAVE, WELL, SHE'S DOING IT. I'LL GIVE OUR INTRO. SO WE HAVE TWO LEAGUE POLICY PROPOSALS TO GO OVER TONIGHT. IF YOU APPROVE THEM THIS EVENING, THE MAYOR WILL SUBMIT THEM FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE LEAGUE AS RESOLUTIONS FOR THE 2027 LEGISLATIVE SESSION. BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON THAT, MAYOR, IF I COULD, LAUREN, LIKE ALL THE REST OF US, WE SERVE ON ONE OF THESE PO POLICY COMMITTEES. I'M ON PS MAC AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING. DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE'S BEEN NO LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS MOVING THROUGH THE, THE LEAGUE PSM COMMITTEE SO FAR AND OR ANY OF THE OTHERS? AND IF THERE ARE, WHAT IS, SO THERE WERE, THEY CANCELED THE MAY MEETINGS BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T ANY, AND NOW THERE'S JUNE MEETINGS AND THESE WOULD GO TO THE JUNE MEETINGS IF WE APPROVE THEM. SO THERE'S NO OTHER STATEWIDE THINGS FOR THESE POLICY COMMITTEES TO BE CONSIDERING THAT WE KNOW OF SO FAR. CORRECT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. NO WORRIES. I KNOW I HAPPEN TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE THAT WOULD HEAR THESE THE FINAL ONE. YEAH. YEAH. THE ONLY ONE. IT WAS ONLY ONE. YEAH. AND THEN IT GOES TO THE EXECUTIVE. THAT'S RIGHT. SO, UM, WE SUBMIT POLICY PROPOSALS WITH THE HOPE THAT THE LEAGUE WILL PASS A RESOLUTION BEFORE THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION BEGINS TO ESTABLISH A UNIFIED MUNICIPAL AGENDA. THIS COLLECTIVE FRONT GIVES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS STRONGER LOBBYING POWER AT THE CAPITOL TO PROTECT LOCAL DECISION MAKING AND SECURE FUNDING BEFORE LEGISLATORS INTRODUCE BILLS. WHILE OUR LEGISLATIVE STRATEGY FOR NEXT YEAR HAS NOT BEEN DETERMINED YET, IN ORDER TO MEET THE LEAGUE'S TIMELINE FOR POLICY PROPOSAL CONSIDERATION, I WILL NEED TO SUBMIT THESE BY FRIDAY. SO THESE PROPOSALS ARE PREDICATED ON WHAT MAY BE OUR STRATEGY FOR NEXT YEAR. SO THE FIRST POLICY PROPOSAL IS REGARDING A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD SUPPORT A POTENTIAL BALLOT REFERRAL TO GIVE LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES THE ABILITY TO CONTROL A LOCAL ELECTION. UM, THAT WOULD ALLOW THE MUNICIPALITY TO DETERMINE HOW TO BEST REGULATE SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT REFLECTS COMMUNITY SENTIMENT. THE SECOND POLICY PROPOSAL IS REGARDING A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE AMENDING OF STATE LAW TO CLARIFY THAT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL CAN'T BE LOCATED IN A MOBILE HOME PARK OR A MULTI-FAMILY UNIT BUILDING OR COMPLEX THAT HAS FIVE OR MORE DWELLING UNITS AND IS NOT A CONDOMINIUM OR COOPERATIVE. SO WITH THAT, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU ALL HAVE? AND IS THERE ANY CONSENSUS ON ALLOWING THE MAYOR TO SUBMIT THESE FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE LEAK? ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS, PETE? I SEE I'M SUPPORTIVE. WE GOTTA PULL EVERY RABBIT OUTTA THE HAT OR THINK, HOPE THAT WE CAN PULL RABBITS OUTTA THE HAT THAT WE CAN I'M SUPERB OF BOTH THESE IDEAS I SUPPORT. YEAH. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. CHARLOTTE? YES. THANK BRIAN. YEP. OKAY. I WOULD JUST SAY I AM VERY SKEPTICAL [03:30:01] ABOUT THE BALLOT REFERRAL AND I AM SKEPTICAL THAT THE LEGALS SUPPORT IT, BUT WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE TRY. YES. AND THE, THEIR TIMELINE ON ACCEPTING THESE PROPOSALS IS WHAT HAS PUSHED ME TO PUT THIS OUT, UM, IN THIS WAY. AND THIS IS THE FIRST STEP OF MANY, MANY STEPS. UH, AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN DECIDED, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE EXACTLY LOOK LIKE. BUT IN ORDER TO EVEN MEET THEIR, THEIR, LET'S SAY THAT WE DO WANNA DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP THAT WE NEED TO TAKE. SO IN THAT CASE, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT MY EMAIL IS H PLU, NOT M PLU. IT'S NOT MAYOR PLU, ITS HOLLY PLU . I WILL MAKE SURE AND GET THAT RIGHT. GOOD CATCH. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON BOTH OF THEM. THANK YOU. LAUREN, DO YOU NEED, AND I'M STILL HERE. DO YOU NEED YOUR MOTION? DO WE NEED A MOTION? IT IS, UH, SCHEDULED FOR A MOTION THERE. YOU NEED IT? UH, YEAH, I THINK IN THE PAST WE HAD HAD COUNCILS TAKE OKAY. ON LEAGUE RESOLUTIONS OF MOTION. MAYOR, I, YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION? OH, I WILL. OKAY. UH, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTIONS. WHAT'S THE PITHY DESCRIPTION? UH, THE MOTION DOESN'T HAVE WHAT? THE RESOLUTIONS? YEAH, THE TWO THAT ARE DEFINED IN THE PACKET, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTIONS, THE TWO DEFINED IN THE PACKET, AND SUBMIT THEM TO THE LEAGUE OF ARIZONA CITIES AND TOWN FOR, FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AS PART OF THE LEAGUE'S 2027 LEGISLATIVE POLICY AGENDA. I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A A. OKAY. THANKS FOR THE LIFELINE. COUNSELOR , UH, [9.e. AB 3313 Discussion/possible direction/action regarding proposed State legislation, short-term rental legislation, lobbying efforts, and State budget and their potential impact on the City of Sedona.] HA 33 13. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION. ACTION. REGARDING PROPOSED STATE LEGISLATION. DO YOU HAVE A REPORT? IT'S ALSO AN AGENDA ITEM. YES. NO, UM, I DON'T HAVE MUCH. I HAVE A A FEW WORDS JUST AS AN UPDATE, UM, FOR THE RECORD. SO IT'S BEEN PRETTY QUIET STILL. THE HOUSE REMAINED ADJOURNED. UM, THE SENATE MEANT BRIEFLY TO DEBATE A HANDFUL OF BILLS. UM, THERE'S NO NEWS ON THE BUDGET, BUT WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT BY JUNE 8TH, UM, WE WILL HEAR SOMETHING. THERE ARE, UM, MANY BILLS THAT ARE LINED UP TO MOVE QUICKLY AS SOON AS THAT HAPPENS. UM, I EXPECT THAT, UH, NEXT WEEK I'LL HAVE SOME, SOME POTENTIAL NEWS. WE HAVE BEEN TRACKING BY 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. UM, THERE'S STILL FIVE BILLS THAT ARE ALIVE, UM, ON THAT DOCUMENT THAT I SEND YOU. UM, AND, UM, MOST OF THEM ARE QUEUED UP, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO. SO STAY TUNED. OKAY. THANK YOU, LAUREN. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK YOU'VE PUT IN AND, UH, IT HASN'T GONE UNNOTICED. I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. UM, OUR FINAL TOPIC, REMEMBER THAT FINAL TOPIC, AB 30 66, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. SORRY, MAYOR, THERE'S ONE BEFORE THAT. OH, I DISCUSSION. I'M SORRY. KEEGAN HAS BEEN WAITING ALL EVENING. SORRY, I DO NOT SEE THIS ON THIS AGENDA. WHY IT'S NOT BEING HERE. DISCUSSION DIRECTION. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. [9.f. AB 3350 Discussion/direction regarding debrief of Community Conversation of April 29, 2026 and selecting next topic/date for Community Conversation #2.] AB 32 50 DISCUSSION DIRECTION REGARDING DEBRIEF OF COMMUNITY CONVERSATION OF APRIL 29TH, AND SELECTING NEXT TOPICS FOR COMMUNITY CONVERSATION NUMBER TWO. THANK YOU. IS NOT ON THIS ONE. ISN'T THAT WEIRD? OKAY. UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING MAYBE SHORT TERM RENTALS WOULD BE A GOOD COMMUNITY CONVERSATION. IT'S ON THE LIST. IT'S ON THE LIST, YEAH. . OKAY, GOOD. GIVE US THE LIST THEN. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS KEEGAN HALL. I'M THE PUBLIC RELATIONS ANALYST, AND TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION EVENT. UH, IT SHOULD GO REALLY QUICKLY. SO I'LL GIVE A BRIEF EVENT RECAP. I'LL TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK FOR THE NEXT COMMUNITY CONVERSATION. UH, YOU GUYS GAVE A LITTLE BIT [03:35:01] OF, UH, FEEDBACK FOR THE NEXT CONVERSATION. I'LL PRESENT SOME MEETING THEMES AND SOME MEETING DATES. SO, AS A RECAP, WE'VE HAD ONE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION. IT WAS ON APRIL 29TH. IT WAS REALLY WELL ATTENDED. I WAS HOPING FOR ABOUT 40 PEOPLE, AND I WOULD SAY 60 PEOPLE SHOWED UP. BARBARA WAS, UH, KEEPING TRACK, AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE STAFF AND COUNCIL. WE HAD A LOT OF STAFF THERE READY TO ASSIST, WHICH I WAS VERY GRATEFUL FOR. UM, BASICALLY WE HAD SIX TABLES FOR EACH COUNSELOR. KATHY, UH, KINSELLA WASN'T THERE. AND, UH, ONE STAFF SCRIBE WHO WAS TAKING NOTES ON A BIG POST-IT BOARD, EACH GROUP COMPRISED OF THE PUBLIC OF ABOUT 10 TO 15 PEOPLE, AND THEY ROTATED EVERY 12 MINUTES. SO IT WAS JUST A NICE, NICE ROTATING MOVING EVENT WITH A LOT OF CONNECTION AND COLLABORATION. EACH TABLE HAD ITS OWN QUESTION. UM, THE QUESTIONS WERE, WHAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR SENIORS SLASH FAMILIES TO LIVE HERE LONG TERM? WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST BARRIERS TO SUCCESS FOR FAMILIES AND SENIORS? WHAT PROGRAMS AND SERVICES DO YOU VALUE MOST? AND WHICH DO YOU WISH EXISTED FOR SENIORS AND FAMILIES? HOW CAN WE BETTER FOSTER CONNECTIONS BETWEEN SENIORS AND FAMILIES? AND WHAT DO SENIORS AND FAMILIES VALUE MOST? SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF, UM, OVERLAP ON THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS A REALLY GOOD, UH, AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT WE GATHERED FROM THE 60 ATTENDEES. SO, JUST AS A RECAP, UH, EACH SCRIBE AND COUNSELOR WOULD TAKE ALL THE INFORMATION GATHERED FROM ALL THE ROTATIONS AND KIND OF HAVE A COLLABORATIVE, UH, COMPILED SLIDE. AND THESE WERE THE MAJOR THEMES. SO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AGING IN PLACE, SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THE LACK OF ACTIVITIES. A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT A RECREATION CENTER, TRANSIT, HEALTHCARE. UM, THESE WERE THE TWO BIGGEST ONES THAT I SAW A LOT. THEY, PEOPLE ARE HOPING FOR MORE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN SENIORS AND FAMILIES. THEY GAVE EXAMPLES LIKE MENTORSHIPS, BLOCK PARTIES, NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIONS, ET CETERA. UH, THERE USED TO BE A WELCOME WAGON HERE. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT STILL EXISTS, BUT I REMEMBER IT BEING A REALLY COOL PROGRAM. AND THEN, UH, COMMUNICATIONS, I LISTENED IN ON SEVERAL TABLE TABLES TALKING ABOUT A COMPREHENSIVE EVENT CALENDAR. AND SOME IDEAS LIKE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE LIBRARY WERE TOSSED AROUND JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR CONNECTIONS IN THE COMMUNITY ALREADY AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A ALREADY HIGH FUNCTIONING EVENT CALENDAR. CAN YOU YES. ARE THE, YOU SAID THE OTHER, THE BOTTOM TWO WERE THE MOST, ARE THESE IN A RANKED ORDER OF ANY WAY? NO, NO. THOSE WERE JUST THE ONES THAT I GATHERED THE MOST EXAMPLES THAT I COULD FIT UNDER ONE CATEGORY. OKAY. YEAH. SO THE, NONE OF THESE, LIKE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING WASN'T NUMBER ONE. AND OKAY. THESE ARE JUST RANDOMLY WHAT CAME UP. YES. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THAT QUESTION. UH, LAUREN WAS ABLE TO TAKE SOME REALLY GREAT PHOTOS OF THE EVENT. YOU CAN JUST TELL THERE WAS A LOT OF COLLABORATION, A LOT OF GREAT COMMUNICATION. EVERYONE FROM, FROM WHAT I COULD TELL, EVERYONE GOT, HAD THEIR VOICE HEARD. UM, THIS WAS A REALLY A CHANCE FOR THE COUNSELORS TO SIT BACK AND NOT SPEAK AND LISTEN, UM, TO THE PUBLIC AND HEAR WHAT THEY REALLY HAD TO SAY ABOUT THIS THEME. SO IT WAS REALLY SUCCESSFUL. I'D SAY. HERE'S SOME FEW MORE PICTURES JUST SHOWING HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE. IT WAS HELD IN THE COMMUNITY ROOM AT THE COMMUNITY LIBRARY, SEDONA. SO SOME PUBLIC FEEDBACK FOR THE NEXT CONVERSATION. I, I HEARD THIS QUITE OFTEN. THEY WANT, EVERYONE BASICALLY WANTS A BIGGER VENUE WITH MORE BREAKOUT SPACE, LESS NOISE. I HEARD SEVERAL PEOPLE SAY LESS QUESTIONS, MORE TIME, UM, LESS VAGUE QUESTIONS. I THINK THAT WAS JUST THE THEME. IT WAS KIND OF HARD TO NOT BE VAGUE ON THAT VERY OVER OVERARCHING THEME, UH, COUNSEL AND SCRIBE TO ROTATE NOT THE PARTICIPANTS THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT, UH, MESSY, BUT LIVE AND LEARN. AND THEN, UH, LAURA STEWART GAVE ME A REALLY GREAT TIP ON A BETTER NOTE TAKING DEVICE. IT'S CALLED MURAL. IT'S A DIGITAL NOTE TAKING SOFTWARE. RATHER THAN HAVING A SCRIBE DO IT, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE NOTES BEING INFILTRATED LIVE AND IN A COLLABORATIVE WAY. SO I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE REALLY COOL FOR NEXT TIME, IF YOU GUYS ARE OPEN TO IT. AND ALL THIS PUBLIC FEEDBACK WAS GATHERED, UH, BASED ON A SURVEY THAT, UH, COUNSELOR SINI HELPED ME SET UP. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEN YOU GUYS, UH, THE COUNSELORS BASICALLY HAD THE SAME, SAME FEEDBACK. IT WAS JUST, IT WAS A LITTLE TOO LOUD, ESPECIALLY IN THE BEGINNING. THE QUESTIONS WERE A LITTLE VAGUE, MORE TIME, ET CETERA. SO WHAT I'M HOPING TO DO NOW IS REVIEW THE THEMES THAT WERE DEVELOPED FROM THE FEBRUARY 10TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING, [03:40:01] REVIEW THE THEMES THAT WERE COMPILED FROM THE APRIL 29TH COMMUNITY CONVERSATION MEETING. AND MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN PICK ONE OR TWO FOR THE FUTURE, AND THEN WE'LL DO THE SAME THING WITH THE DATES. SO FROM THE FEBRUARY 10TH COUNCIL MEETING, HERE WERE THE, THE BIG ONES THAT YOU GUYS, UM, HAD BRAINSTORMED. I THINK ASHLEY, ANNETTE HAD BRAINSTORMED THESE, AND YOU GUYS ALL AGREED THAT THESE WERE GOOD THEMES FOR THE FUTURE. SO, UH, FIREWISE NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIONS, PARTNERSHIPS, UH, THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY WITH NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, CLIMATE RESILIENCE, UH, WESTERN GATEWAY LAND USES ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION AND TRANSPORT, TRANSPORTATION RELATED NEEDS, NOT IN THE CURRENT MASTER PLAN. AND THEN THERE, THESE ARE THE ONES FROM THE APRIL 29TH SURVEY THAT PEOPLE TOOK AT THE END OF THE MEETING. SO CHILDCARE, FOOD SYSTEMS, UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES, BETTER COMMUNICATIONS, EDUCATION ON RECYCLING HOUSING, SO THAT, THAT WAS NEEDS AFFORDABILITY AND SHORT TERM RENTALS, ARTS AND CULTURE, HEALTHCARE IMPROVEMENTS, RECREATION CENTER ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION, AND ROAD SAFETY SLASH BIKE SAFETY SLASH SHARED USE PATHWAYS. SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY CONSENSUS ON THE THEMES THAT ARE PRESENTED HERE. AND MAYBE WE COULD PICK ONE OR TWO AND I COULD GET STARTED. YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THOUGH. WE HAVE A MEETING. PEOPLE EXPRESS THEIR WANTS AND NEEDS. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT INFORMATION. MM-HMM . AND THEY NEED, AND WE NEED TO REPORT IT OUT MM-HMM . SO THAT THERE'S A POINT IN THEM COMING. I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN HAVING CONSENSUS IN THE ROOM AND THEN THERE'S NO FOLLOW UP. SO WHAT'S OUR PLAN FOR THAT? DO YOU MEAN A REPORT OUT, UM, TO THE BROADER COMMUNITY ON THE RESULTS? UM, WE COULD PREPARE A DOCUMENT OR PRESENTATION OR SOME WAY TO, UM, SUMMARIZE WHAT KEEGAN'S PUT TOGETHER FOR YOU TONIGHT EASILY. MM-HMM . BACK UP, AT LEAST AT MY TABLE. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS, THERE WAS TWO COMMON COMMENTS. ONE WAS, WELL, WE JUST DISCUSSED THAT AT MY LAST TABLE. SO IT, THE QUESTIONS SEEMED, UH, REDUNDANT, TOO OVERWHELMING, REDUNDANT. AND THEN THE SECOND THING WAS THAT CONNECTION AND COMMUNITY WAS BIG AND, AND TRANSIT AS A WAY TO CONNECT AS WELL. SO HERE WE'VE JUST PASSED A BUDGET FOR ALL OF FY 27 AND WE DON'T HAVE AN EXTENSION OF THE, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, EXTENSION OF OUR SHUTTLE CONNECT IN THERE. SHOULD WE THINK ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD TAKE OUT AND REPLACE IT? BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S THE, IT'S OUR CEILING. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACTLY THE WAY IT, IT IS. I MEAN, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO IT, SHOULD WE WANT TO. AND, AND I JUST THINK THAT THE, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T LISTEN TO PEOPLE, THAT'S ONE ISSUE. BUT IF YOU LISTEN TO THEM, THEY'LL DO ANYTHING THAT'S WORSE. SO AT SOME POINT, WHETHER IT'S TONIGHT OR SOMEWHERE, SOME OTHER DISCUSSION, WE NEED TO TAKE ALL THAT FEEDBACK AND SAY, HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE THIS? MOST OF IT ALL NEEDS FUNDING. MAYBE NOT EVERYTHING. WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, I THINK WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, THE COUNCIL HAD EXPRESSED AT YOUR PRIORITIES SETTING THAT YOU WERE INTERESTED IN HAVING, YOU KNOW, BETTER ENGAGEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY THESE THINGS. BUT, UM, I'M NOT SURE YOU HAD QUITE DECIDED WHAT ACTION STEPS WOULD COME STRAIGHT OUT OF THESE, OR IF THIS WOULD INFORM A FUTURE BUDGET OR OUR TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN UPDATE AND BEING THE FIRST ONE AND KIND OF AN EXPERIMENT. I THINK WE'RE FIGURING THAT OUT, RIGHT? HOW YOU WANT TO USE IT. WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION THE COUNCIL HAS OF STAFF? IF WE'VE GONE THROUGH A PROCESS AND WE ALREADY DID THE BUDGET, ARE WE GOING TO REDO THINGS AFTER EACH ONE OF THESE? OR HOW I, SO I THINK IT'S AN ORGANIC PROCESS AND I THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING WITH THEIR FEEDBACK. IT'S JUST A HOW DO YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, AS COUNSELOR KINSELLA LIKES TO REMIND US ON PROCESS, HOW DO YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, DO THAT? AND SO WE'RE OPEN TO IDEAS OF WHAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO TO INCORPORATE THAT [03:45:01] FEEDBACK. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS ONE HAPPENED AFTER THE BUDGET WORK SESSIONS. UM, BUT IF WE CONTINUE TO DO THESE ON A REGULAR BASIS, IT WILL GET IN SYNC WITH TIMING OF, UM, THOSE BUDGET CONVERSATIONS. SO IT'LL GET EASIER. YEAH. SO, RIGHT. YEAH. AND I THINK THE TOPICS THAT WE COVER, THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ASKED LED TO A LONG LIST, RIGHT. OF POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, NEXT STEPS. BUT WHEN I THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD I LIKE TO SEE AT THE NEXT COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A REC CENTER A LOT MM-HMM . RIGHT? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG TOPIC IN AND OF ITSELF, AND IT PROBABLY DOESN'T RESULT IN A LIST OF 12 ITEMS THEN FOR FOLLOW UP. RIGHT? SO I THINK THE NATURE OF HOW WE DID THIS FIRST ONE DID CREATE, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR POTENTIAL FOLLOW UP. SO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IN A SIMILAR SITUATION AS THIS, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, NOW SHOW A MAPPING OF WHERE DO THOSE FIT INTO STAFF PRIORITIES IF THEY DO, YOU KNOW, DOES IT, UM, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR. BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, WE WORKED HARD TO GET DOWN TO FOUR PRIORITIES FOR THE YEAR. AND I'M THINKING WE DON'T WANT TO RESHUFFLE THAT DECK EVERY TIME WE HAVE ONE OF THESE MEETINGS. RIGHT. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT BECOMES THE PRIORITY OUT OF, YOU KNOW, THIS INPUT, WHAT ARE ITEMS THAT JUST SIMPLY CAN BECOME PART OF THE, THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR A PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT OR, UM, STAFF MEMBER, DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS, BUT SHOWING SOME KIND OF MAPPING OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING NOW, YOU KNOW, STUDY IN THE FUTURE, DEFER, WHATEVER. RIGHT. BUT TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, JUST TO SHOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SUBSEQUENT CONSIDERATION OF IS THIS SOMETHING WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH OR NOT? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS WAITING TOO LONG, BUT WE COULD, WHEN WE GET TO SELECTING THE DATE OF THE NEXT ONE, I THINK A SEPTEMBER DATE WAS ONE OF THE OPTIONS. CORRECT. UM, WE COULD DO THAT SECOND ONE. THAT, THAT GIVES US TIME TO PREPARE FOR A COUNCIL WORK SESSION ON A WEDNESDAY. LIKE, UM, VERY CLOSE TO THAT, TO WORK THROUGH THAT, THAT HELPS INFORM THE PREPARATION FOR YOUR NEXT PRIORITY SETTING. UM, UNLESS YOU WANNA DO A DEBRIEFING AND PRIORITIZATION OF THIS PARTICULAR ONE BEFORE THE SEPTEMBER ONE, I DON'T THINK GIVEN THE SCHEDULE, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE MEETING IN JULY, WE'D BE ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT I THINK WE COULD DO THAT IN THE FALL AF IF YOU PICK A SEPTEMBER DATE FOR THE NEXT ONE, AND WE COULD CAN YOU GO BACK IT TOGETHER? GO BACK TO THE ONE SLIDE. OKAY. NO SLIDE BEFORE THAT. SORRY. SLIDE BEFORE THAT. PUBLIC. I WANTED TO SEE THE, SORRY. UH, I GUESS IT'S THE BEGINNING SLIDE. THE, THE OUTPUT OR HERE. OKAY. SO AGING IN PLACE WAS A HUGE ISSUE AT MY TABLE. MM-HMM . AND, AND WITHIN THE AGING IN PLACE WERE ACTIVITIES WHERE THE REC CENTER WAS TRANSIT AND ITS HEALTHCARE. ALL OF THAT WAS COMBINED INTO AGING IN PLACE. WHEN PEOPLE SAW THAT AS A TOPIC, THESE WERE RELATED, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT SENIOR HOUSING WAS, CAME UP AT MY TABLE A LOT TOO. SO IF WE COULD BREAK DOWN SOME OF THESE CATEGORIES, CLUSTER THEM YEAH. AND SEE WHAT WE COULD DO IN THEM. A QUESTION AGING IN PLACE, THE PLACE BEING YOUR HOME OR THE PLACE BEING SEDONA, YOUR HOME WAS THE, YOUR NUMBER ONE. AND THEN IF YOU CAN'T LIVE IN YOUR HOME AND YOU WANNA STAY IN SEDONA, WHAT HAPPENS? SO IT'S BOTH, BUT PEOPLE DEFINITELY PREFER TO STAY IN THEIR HOUSE IF, IF THEY CAN MM-HMM . AND SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE WE ARE, WE DO HAVE THE PROGRAM WITH HABITAT THAT NOBODY KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT. AND THEN I TALKED TO DEVONNA AND SHE ACTUALLY ADMINISTERS THAT PROGRAM. AND SHE'S THE FROM NORTHERN, UH, H HOUSING SOLUTIONS OF NORTHERN ARIZONA. AND SHE IS THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY MARKETS IT, NOT HABITAT. THEY JUST DO THE WORK. SO I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. AND SHE TOLD ME ABOUT HOW SHE MARKETS IT AND YOU KNOW, IT'S [03:50:01] THROUGH REALTORS, IT'S THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE ARE BUYING HOUSES OR IT'S THROUGH THE COMMUNITY CENTER OR VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, BUT THEY NEVER DID A PUBLIC, PUBLIC. THEY WENT TO GROUPS OR ORGANIZATIONS THAT DEAL WITH THE PEOPLE WHO POTENTIALLY WOULD BE THE RECIPIENTS OF THE, OF THE, OF THE MONEY, OR WHICH I, WHICH I GOT IN VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS WAS ANOTHER ONE. BUT THAT WAS HUGE. AND ARE YOU SEEING ANY HEALTHCARE AS RELATED INTO AGING IN PLACE AS WELL? SO THIS WOULD ACTUALLY, IF YOU HAD AGING IN PLACE, YOU'D BE TALKING ABOUT AGING IN PLACE. REC, UM, REC CENTER, HEALTHCARE TRANSIT. MM-HMM . YOU'D BE COVERING FOUR SUBCATEGORIES UNDER ONE. MAYBE THE QUESTIONS PER TABLE COULD BE BUILT AROUND THOSE ITEMS, OR WELL, IF WE OURSELVES LOOKED AT WHAT ARE WE DOING IN, IN THESE CATEGORIES MM-HMM . MM-HMM . AND MAYBE WE'RE, WE ARE, WE ARE ALREADY DOING SOME THINGS THAT PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO KNOW ABOUT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO THEN, THEN OUR TASK IS TO MAKE THEM MORE WELL KNOWN. RIGHT. DO MORE OUTREACH THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY COST MONEY. UH, AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHERS MIGHT LIKE, TRANSIT WAS REALLY APPEALING TO PEOPLE FOR EXTENDING THE HOURS AND THE DAYS THAT THE CONNECT WAS AVAILABLE. IT WAS A REALLY BIG DEAL. MM-HMM . AND I DON'T KNOW, WE HAD THE, WE HAVE THESE EXPANSIONS PLANNED, RIGHT? WE JUST DID THE ONE IN CHAPEL AND WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE PLANNED. BUT IS THERE A PLAN IN THERE TO EXTEND THE NUMBER OF DAYS? IS IS THAT BUILT IN? UM, WELL, NOT DURING THAT, UM, PILOT EFFORT, BUT WE ARE PLANNING LATER THIS SUMMER ON COMING BACK AND KIND OF TALKING ABOUT, UH, TRANSIT IN GENERAL. SO WE COULD CERTAINLY GET INTO MORE OF A BROAD DISCUSSION ON TRANSIT SPECIFICALLY. WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE CIRCULATOR. UM, AND, AND YEAH, JUST TRANSIT IN GENERAL. SO, SO I THINK THAT, ANDY, WERE YOU THERE AT THAT MEETING OR WERE YOU AWAY? THE THIS? YEAH. YEAH. YOU WERE THERE. MM-HMM . UM, SO IN LISTENING TO WHAT ALL THE TABLES HAD TO SAY AND, AND OTHER STAFF THAT WAS THERE. 'CAUSE I KNOW JOSHUA'S MY SCRIBE AND HE WAS LISTENING TO ALL THE DISCUSSION ABOUT ACTIVITIES AND ABOUT THE REC CENTER, UH, THE TAKING THAT FEEDBACK AND INCORPORATING IT INTO PLANS, WHETHER IT'S THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD WE DO THESE THINGS AS LONG AS STAFF WAS THERE AND THEY WERE DEPARTMENT HEADS, MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY. AND IF TONY WAS THERE, RIGHT? MM-HMM . UH, WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR YOU TO COME BACK AND SAY THAT WE HEARD THESE THINGS AND HERE'S HOW WE PLAN TO INCORPORATE THEM. OR WHAT ARE THE OBSTACLES IN DOING THEM. YEAH. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT GO THROUGH MY MIND IS IF WE WOULD'VE HAD THIS PROCESS SET UP WHEN WE DID OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH, YOU KNOW, FOR PARKING, WHEN WE WERE HAVING SO MUCH CHALLENGE WITH GETTING PEOPLE ENGAGED, IF WE COULD HAVE HAD THIS KIND OF ENGAGEMENT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL, IT WOULD'VE SAVED STAFF IN, IN THE LONG RUN, IT WOULD'VE SAVED US A LOT OF TIME. 'CAUSE WE, WE WENT THROUGH SO MANY EFFORTS TRYING TO GET THAT, THAT ENGAGEMENT. SO I THINK IN THE FUTURE, IT GIVES US MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO CONSIDER. IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN THE METHOD, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN THE TOPIC . SURE. PARKING IS JUST DESTINED TO BE. RIGHT. YOU KNOW? RIGHT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK TO TO BRIAN'S POINT, SOME OF THEM ARE NOT GONNA REQUIRE THAT. MM-HMM . SOME OF THEM ARE GONNA BE, WE ARE PUSHING OUT INFORMATION OR WHAT MORE INFORMATION DO YOU NEED? BUT THIS ONE WE ASKED WHAT WOULD MAKE YOUR LIFE BETTER? WHAT WOULD KEEP YOU HERE? WHAT WOULD BRING FAMILIES IN? AND WE HEARD WHAT THEY, PEOPLE HAD TO SAY. AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE INCORPORATE THAT AS WE DO OUR FUTURE PLANNING. AND NOT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW SOMETHING NOW, AND NOT EVERYTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN NOW, BUT THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING NOW, IT'S UP TO US TO [03:55:01] ACTUALLY MAKE THEM KNOWN AND AVAILABLE AND THEN BUILD IN THE OTHER THINGS INTO OUR, OUR FUTURE PLANNING EFFORTS. SURE. AND, AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, THAT FEEDBACK TO THE PUBLIC MM-HMM . SHOULD TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE NEXT COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE TOPIC IS, SO THAT WE DON'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE JUST TAKING IN, TAKING NOT RIGHT AND IGNORING IT. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED AND THEIR EMAIL OR ANYTHING? DID YOU CAPTURE THAT? I DO. I DO. SO WE COULD SEND, WE COULD DO A PUBLIC REPORT, BUT WE COULD ALSO SEND IT OUT SPECIFICALLY TO THE ATTENDEES. YES. I THINK ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER IS HOW MUCH OF THE POPULATION ARE WE TRYING TO ENGAGE IN THIS CONVERSATION? SO WE SIT FAMILIES AND SENIORS, AND THAT ENGAGES EVERYONE. 'CAUSE IT'S THE BROAD SPECTRUM. BUT IF YOU START TO TALK ABOUT AGING IN PLACE, CHANCES ARE WE'RE WE'RE CUTTING DOWN WHO WILL ATTEND. RIGHT. THEY HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN TO TRY AND FIND CHILDCARE SO THEY CAN COME AND TALK ABOUT AGING IN PLACE. THAT'S JUST, I MEAN, JUST SORT OF THE TOPIC ITSELF LENDS ITSELF TO A SPECIFIC GROUP OF PEOPLE. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, AND IT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS IS COMMUNICATIONS AND BETTER COMMUNICATIONS. LIKE, IS IS THE WHAT, WHAT WE'RE ASKING KEEGAN TO DO THE BEST APPROACH FOR DOING THIS. WHY DOESN'T EVERYBODY KNOW ABOUT ALL THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE? WE SAW THIS AT THE HOUSING, UM, THINK TANK TOO, RIGHT? NOBODY KNEW THAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, RENT LOCAL. NOBODY KNEW THAT WE HAVE. SO IT'S SORT OF LIKE, WHY IS THAT? SO TO ME, THAT'S A GREAT TOPIC THAT EVERYONE CAN SORT OF PARTICIPATE IN AND SAY, THIS IS HOW YOU CAN REACH ME, OR THIS IS, THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH IT. YOU KNOW, WE, WE PUT ON THESE BIG OPEN HOUSES AND STUFF, AND SEVEN PEOPLE SHOW UP, RIGHT? AND WE'VE GOTTA FIND WAYS OF DOING THIS BETTER. AND IT FEELS TO ME LIKE ASKING THEM WHAT WOULD WORK DOES, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE TO GO OUT TO THEM, YOU KNOW, LIKE HOA BY HOA OR AREA BY AREA, WHEN THERE'S NO HOA WHAT, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO GO BY GROUPS? DO WE NEED TO GO TO CHURCHES? DO WE NEED TO GO TO COMMUNITY CENTERS? WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? AND WHAT DO THEY WANT COMMUNICATED? IT JUST FEELS LIKE THAT IS A TOPIC THAT WOULD REALLY HELP US, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US WHO ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS OR WHO ARE STAFF, AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY SO THAT WE CAN GET MORE CONNECTED. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT IN A, A PLUG FOR THAT. SO MAYBE WE SHOULD GO FORWARD TO THE, UH, UPCOMING TOPICS. I THINK THE NEXT, OOPS, I THINK THEY WANTED, OH, IF I WERE PICKING TWO, I'D PICK REC CENTER FROM THIS LIST. AND ON THE PRIOR PAGE, SOMETHING ON THE, UH, FIREWISE WILDFIRE RESILIENCE, THOSE WOULD BE MY TWO. AND I WOULD DO TWO IN ONE SESSION. SO WE'RE NOT POTENTIALLY AS REDUNDANT WITH QUESTIONS THAT WAY. AND I CAN JUST ADD REALLY QUICK, I CAN FACILITATE THIS MEETING IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A ROTATING GROUP THING OR, OR A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF QUESTIONS. THAT WAS JUST THE FIRST TRIAL. BUT THERE'S NUMEROUS WAYS TO FACILITATE AND MODERATE THESE TYPES OF PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS. AND ALONG THAT LINE, WE HAVE A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY WHO HAS ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION SUGGESTED VIRTUAL TOWN HALL SOFTWARE, WHICH ACTUALLY MIGHT BE USEFUL FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND ENABLE HOME BOUND, UH, PARENTS WITH KIDS, ET CETERA, POSSIBLY TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE. SO, I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I LIKE THE FACE-TO-FACE, SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE DOING IT VIRTUALLY ALL THE TIME, BUT MAYBE IN THE MIX. I THINK THAT KIND OF GOES TO MELISSA'S POINT ABOUT HOW DO PEOPLE LIKE TO RECEIVE COMMUNICATION? AND I DON'T KNOW THAT VIRTUAL TOWN HALLS REALLY DO IT, BUT WOULD FIREWISE IN SEPTEMBER BE A LITTLE BEYOND THE SEASON? I MEAN, AS A TOPIC IT SEEMS LIKE, [04:00:02] YOU KNOW, A SPRING TOPIC MORE. MAY I WEIGH IN ON SOMETHING? UM, TONY WAS TELLING ME ABOUT SOME REALLY INCREDIBLE PROGRAMMING THAT HE'S PLANNING. DO YOU THINK THAT BY SEPTEMBER YOU WOULD HAVE ANY OF THAT THINGS THAT GO BEYOND FIREWISE, BUT MORE INTO, UM, UH, GUARANTEEING INSURANCE AND, AND A REALLY COOL PROGRAM THAT, UH, RESIDENTS COULD HELP? YEAH, I THINK ABSOLUTELY WE'D BE ABLE TO HAVE THE, THE WHOLE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, READY AT THAT POINT TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS. AND, AND THIS, WE WILL BE BRINGING THIS TO YOU FOR PRESENTATION AS WELL. WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS ALL BUCKLED IN AND, AND SET UP BEFORE WE DO SO. UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A LOT OF FUN TO PRESENT THE FIRE SAFE SEDONA PROGRAM AND, AND GET SOME INTERACTION. AND, UM, WE COULD HAVE SOME, WE COULD HAVE SOME FUN WITH IT IN TERMS OF LEARNING HOW TO APPLY, UH, SOME OF THESE TECHNIQUES IN HOMES AND NEIGHBORHOODS, ET CETERA. AND WHAT IT CAN MEAN BOTH FOR, FOR COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO WHAT IT MEANS FOR YOU AND YOUR ABILITY TO, TO HANG ONTO YOUR INSURANCE. WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF YOU COULD PRESENT IT AS A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION AND WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY BEFORE YOU BROUGHT IT TO US. UM, THE ONLY, MY ONLY HESITANCE, THE ONLY REASON I'M HESITANT IS, UM, BECAUSE WE ARE ENTERING, BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE, THE SEASON WHEN WE NEED TO, TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO IT. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE WITH SOME OF THE PROGRAM. SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DO BOTH, BECAUSE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, THIS LITERALLY IS GONNA BE THE FIRST OF ITS KIND IN MANY WAYS. UM, AND SO, UM, SO WE WILL, WE WILL ALWAYS BE OPEN TO HEARING MORE IDEAS AND HOW WE CAN CHANGE IT AND EVOLVE IT, ET CETERA. SO, UM, IF ANYTHING, WE WOULD PRESENT IT TO YOU. WE'D START GETTING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT THEN GET FEEDBACK FROM OTHER PEOPLE ON HOW TO DO THIS EVEN BETTER, UM, AND WAYS IT CAN BE APPLIED FOR FOLKS. SO, UH, I THINK WE CAN DO BOTH IF THAT'S THE TOPIC YOU'D LIKE TO PURSUE. AND WHEN MIGHT THAT BE COMING TO US, TONY, RELATIVE TO THOSE DATES THAT WERE, I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK HONESTLY, I, I WAS HOPING YOU WOULDN'T ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE , , I'M GOOD AT THAT, BUT, UM, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE SOON. SO YEAH. I APOLOGIZE FOR, FOR NOT BEING PREPARED FOR THAT. WELL, I STILL THINK IT SHOULD INCLUDE A TOPIC THAT CAME FROM THE GROUP, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU THINK WE CAN DO TWO TOPICS IN ONE MEETING, FIREWISE, IT'S FINE. BUT AGAIN, BEING RESPONSIVE TO WHAT WE HEARD, WHICH IS WHY I PUT THE PLUG IN. YEAH. UM, RECREATION CENTER IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT NOW IN VARIOUS CONTEXTS, SO, OH, JUST TO CLARIFY. OKAY. JUNE 23RD IS WHEN WE'LL BE COMING TO YOU AT THE PRESENTATION. SORRY. UM, SO I MEAN, AND IT IS RESPONSIVE TO THE COMM THE CONVERSATION THAT CAME OUT OF THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION. UM, AND I THINK THAT IT'S A BIG TOPIC, UH, AND I THINK IF THERE IS A RECREATION CENTER, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE COULD ASK OR WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, LIKE WHAT DO YOU FEEL IS A GOOD LOCATION? HOW FAR ARE YOU WILLING TO TRAVEL FOR ONE, WHAT ELEMENTS WOULD YOU WANNA SEE? I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF SOME FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WHERE IT'S TIMELY, GET THE INPUT FROM PEOPLE NOW INSTEAD OF LATER. AND I THINK IT'S A BIG ENOUGH TOPIC ON ITS OWN. SO I JUST WOULD CAST MY, UM, VOTE TOWARD JUST KEEPING IT TO THE RECREATION, BLAH CONVERSATION ABOUT POTENTIAL RECREATION CENTER. AND THAT WOULD BE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE, OR PARALLEL TO THE STAFF RESEARCH THAT THEY WOULD, WOULD BE DOING ANYWAY. SO, YEAH. MM-HMM . CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE WHERE IT CAME OUT OF THAT, THAT MEETING THE TOPICS? THANK YOU. I COULDN MAYOR, I, YOU KNOW, I WAS READY TO SUPPORT THE VICE MAYOR'S IDEA OF FIREWISE AND, UH, THE COMMUNITY CENTER. I THINK FIREWISE IS ALWAYS A TOPIC. IF, UH, TONY COMES TO US IN JUNE, THIS IS AUGUST, POTENTIALLY, THAT GIVES A COUPLE OF MONTHS OF [04:05:01] BAKING TIME TO SEE MAYBE WHAT WE MISSED OR WHAT WE MIGHT DO DIFFERENT. I LIKE GETTING COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT BEING POST. I THINK PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY THINK ABOUT FIREWISE ALL THE TIME. SO I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT BEING THE HEAD OF ONE SINGLE, UH, FIRE SEASON. AND, YOU KNOW, THE REC CENTER I THINK IS, IS VERY TIMELY. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CONVERSATION IS VERY DIVERSE. RIGHT. YOU'LL GET A LOT OF IDEAS ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT IN THE THING, AND SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT COSTS AT THAT THING TOO. BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU COULD DO BOTH. AND I, I LIKE BOTH OF THOSE TOPICS BECAUSE I WILL SAY PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT THEY HAD JUST DISCUSSED THE QUESTION AT THE TABLE BEFORE MINE WHEN THEY CAME TO MIND, AND THEY WERE JUST REPEATING WHAT THEY SAID. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAPPENED TO THE REST OF YOU. MM-HMM . SO I THINK THERE IS ROOM FOR MORE THAN ONE TOPIC. WERE YOU AT THE LAST TABLE? IS THAT WHY ? NO, NO LOOP ACTUALLY. IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. YEAH. YEAH. SO, OKAY. SO THEN IS REC CENTER AND UM, UH, FIREWISE, THOSE WOULD BE OUR TOPICS. IS REC CENTER UNDER THE AGING IN PLACE OR JUST NO REC CENTER PERIOD. REC CENTER. GOT IT. BUT I, I ALSO THINK IT'S TIME FOR A CONVERSATION ON ARTS AND CULTURE TOO, BECAUSE IT IS, IT COMES UP A LOT. AND THE ARTISTS FEEL THAT THEY'RE AN UNDERSERVED COMMUNITY IN SEDONA. I LIKE THE WAY YOU TIE THAT TOGETHER WITH THE UNDERSERVED COMMUNITY, . AND I MEAN, I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT FOR A LONG TIME. SO I I I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT. I'M JUST SAYING I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD TOPIC. WELL, IT DOVETAILS NICELY WITH OUR RECREATION CENTER. IT DOES. IN THE WAY THAT FIREWISE DOESN'T, THEY'RE VERY DISPARATE CONVERSATIONS, BUT I COULD SEE, BECAUSE PART OF WHAT THE ARTS AND CULTURE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN SAYING IS THEY DON'T HAVE SPACE. MM-HMM . THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, RIGHT? WELL, WE CAN BE 10, WE CAN POTENTIALLY BE IDENTIFYING BOTH THE NEXT COMMUNITY CONVERSATION TOPICS AND THE ONE AFTER THAT. RIGHT. BECAUSE THERE'S CORRECT DATES FOR THE NEXT TWO, I BELIEVE. AND, AND I WOULD SUPPORT ARTS AND CULTURE AS ONE OF THOSE TOPICS FOR THE NEXT ONE, THEN ALONG WITH WHATEVER ELSE HERE. OKAY. SO LET'S LOOK AT THE MEETING DATES. NOW WE ARE HAVING THAT SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST, CORRECT. BUT THAT IS RIGHT AFTER, AFTER THE LEAD CONFERENCE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IMPACTS ANYBODY. UM, IN THAT REGARD WITH YOUR SCHEDULE, THIS IS JUST FOLLOWING THE CADENCE THAT YOU HAD SUGGESTED AT THE PRIORITY SETTING THAT IT WOULD BE EVERY FOURTH OR SOMETHING. AND JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S AWARE, NOVEMBER 12TH IS A THURSDAY, SO IT'S VETERAN'S DAY IS THE DAY BEFORE. SO THAT, THAT'S WHY THAT I'M ASSUMING THAT WASN'T A TYPO THAT WAS PLANFUL AROUND VETERAN'S DAY. AND THE 25TH IS THE DAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING. RIGHT. WHICH WE DON'T NORMALLY MEET, RIGHT? YEAH. NOBODY WILL BE IN TOWN TO COME TO SOMETHING. YEAH. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD DATE. AND THEN DECEMBER WE GET INTO YOUR PRIORITY SETTING, UM, SESSIONS IN THE, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE NOVEMBER 12TH SHOULD BE OKAY FOR THE RIGHT. YEAH. SECOND ONE OUT, BUT WHAT DO WE PREFER FOR THE NEXT ONE? AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER? I THINK SEPTEMBER 9TH, BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THE LEAGUE WHEN THE LEAGUE IS ACTUALLY, OKAY, THAT'S THE EIGHT. NO, IT'S OKAY. IT'S THE 18TH THROUGH THE 21ST. SO IT'S A, IT'S A WEEK WE HAVE ANOTHER, YEAH. SO THAT WOULD WORK TOO. SO NO TIME LIKE THE PRESENT AND JUST TO SAY, 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER ONE WAY OR THE, OR THE OTHER, BUT I WON'T BE HERE. UM, THE 24TH, 25TH AND 26TH. OKAY. WELL THAT'S, IT'S A POINT. LET'S MAKE IT THE NINTH. IS EVERYBODY HERE SEPTEMBER 9TH? MM-HMM . WE DON'T HAVE DEREK TO WEIGH IN, BUT SEPTEMBER 9TH AND NOVEMBER 12TH. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. SO WE'RE HAVING TWO TOPICS IN ONE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, IS THAT CORRECT? AT LEAST THE NEXT ONE. OKAY. WE'LL HAVE TO DECIDE. AND NOVEMBER 12TH WE'LL HAVE ARTS AND CULTURE AND THEY'LL HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER THAT STANDS ON ITS OWN OR WE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE. [04:10:01] AND I ASSUME YOU WOULD LIKE US TO DO A DEBRIEF AGAIN AFTER THE SEPTEMBER 9TH AND THEN HELP. YEAH. OKAY. KEEGAN, IS THAT WHAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND IS TO HAVE TWO TOPICS ON ONE NIGHT? NO. UM, I WOULD, YEAH. MM-HMM . WHAT, SO WHAT WAS THE, DID I MISS THAT? THAT WAS THE SUGGESTION FROM THE COUNCIL THAT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE, UM, I'M GONNA CALL IT THE REPEAT QUESTIONS. IF WE DON'T HAVE THE OVERLAPPING QUESTIONS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY FEEL THERE'S TIME TO STRUCTURE IT SO WE COULD ASK QUESTIONS ON TWO DIFFERENT TOPICS IN THE SAME TIMEFRAME. AND WHAT WAS PROPOSED WAS FIREWISE IN THE REC CENTER. IT'S WHAT I WROTE DOWN. CORRECT. THEY'RE JUST REALLY DISPARATE TOPICS. IS IS AND FROM, I'M THINKING FROM A MARKETING STANDPOINT, AND MAYBE IT'S GOOD TO CROSS POLLINATE AND WE'D ALSO HAVE TO FIND A, OH, GO AHEAD. SO ONE THOUGHT IS LIKE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUST, HERE'S SOME QUESTIONS, COME IN AND TALK TO US. THERE CAN BE, HERE'S SOME CONTEXT FOR YOU TO HAVE. NOW LET'S TALK. RIGHT? OF COURSE. AND FOR A REC CENTER, FOR INSTANCE, HERE'S EXAMPLES OF FIVE REC CENTERS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS IN DIFFERENT PLACES. HERE'S WHAT THEY HAD AS FAR AS AMENITIES, THE COST TO BUILD, WHAT IT COSTS TO OPERATE, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME EDUCATION LIKE THAT. AND THEN, OKAY, TELL US WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HERE. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT COST? YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE CITY BONDING THE DEBT, UH, TO PAY FOR THAT AND SO ON. WOULD YOU DRIVE? HOW FAR WOULD YOU DRIVE? YEAH. HOW FAR WOULD YOU DRIVE? HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY PER MONTH? I LIKE TO KNOW HOW WOULD DRIVE, WOULD THEY FEEL IS APPROPRIATE TO ACCESS SOMETHING? WE DO KNOW PEOPLE DRIVE TO COTTONWOOD. YEAH. MM-HMM . EXACTLY. WOULD YOU GUYS BE OKAY WITH HAVING THE SAME, UM, COMMUNITY CONVERSATION DATE WITH TWO DIFFERENT VENUES? I JUST, I CAN'T THINK, I CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND HAVING, UM, TWO DIFFERENT TOPICS IN ONE ROOM. AND I CAN'T THINK OF A VENUE WITH TWO LARGE SEPARATE ROOMS, BUT MAYBE I'M JUST NOT PUTTING ON MY GOOD BRAINSTORMING PAD RIGHT NOW. SO, OR THE FIRST HOUR IS THIS TOPIC, THE SECOND HOUR IS THE OTHER TOPIC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH, THAT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I THINK CHIEF IS WAVING OVER THERE. COLLEGE HAS SOME REALLY LARGE CLASSROOMS. TRUE. THAT IS TRUE. AND THE ALEX SPACE, WE USED THEM BEFORE. YEAH. I, I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH THEM. I BELIEVE THEY'RE CLOSED FOR THE ENTIRE SUMMER AND THEY'RE RECALIBRATING THEIR ENTIRE CAMPUS FOR SOME DIFFERENT, MAYBE THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING. AND ACTUALLY THE NEWLY REOPENED OUTBOUND SEDONA HAS SIGNIFICANT MEETING SPACE. EVENT SPACE AS WELL. YEAH. OKAY. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS I LIKE THE IDEA OF EVEN TWO DISPARATE TOPICS IS WE MIGHT GET SOME CROSS POLLINATION AND SOME DRAW FOR PEOPLE WHO WOULDN'T NORMALLY GO TO PART B, BUT SINCE THEY'RE THERE, IT MIGHT BE A WAY TO ENGAGE MORE PEOPLE. MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. BUT I, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S, IT'S ALL TRIAL AND ERROR, ISN'T IT? UH, AND I WAS THINKING THAT FIREWISE, IT SHOULD BE A LARGER TOPIC OF, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING EMERGENCY PREPARATION AND FIRE, FIRE SAFETY. SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT ENCOMPASSES A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ITEMS UNDER THERE, BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS A GOOD POINT ABOUT KNOW YOUR ZONE TO PEOPLE, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO SHOW WHAT THE ZONES ARE? AND, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS THEN? AND MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT TO DIG INTO. IT'S NOT JUST PROTECTING YOUR HOUSE, YOU KNOW, YOUR IMMEDIATE HOUSE, BUT THERE'S ALSO MORE ON, I THINK THE EMERGENCY MANAGER, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HIM, WAS IT, IT'S A HIM, RIGHT? MM-HMM . CHANCE AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SCOPE OF THEIR JOB IS. MAYBE WE COULD DO THAT ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM. WELL, YOU ARE SCHEDULED FOR A SPECIAL SESSION WITH HIM COMING UP. HE'S GONNA DO A WHOLE TRAINING WITH YOU. PERFECT. SO SEE WHAT COMES OF THAT TO GET THE TOPIC FILLED OUT. OKAY. I KNOW IT'S A VERY, PEOPLE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN THAT. AND THEN WITH TONY'S PROGRAM, I MEAN, THE TWO OF THEM COULD [04:15:01] RIGHT. GIVE QUITE A BIT OF CONTEXT EXACTLY. ABOUT THEIR PROGRAMS. OKAY. YOU GOOD? I'M GOOD, THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THE SECOND PART WAS THERE'S A RESOLUTION ON THAT. I BELIEVE THERE IS MOTION. OKAY. CAN I MAKE A MOTION? YEAH. UH, I MOVE TO SCHEDULE A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION FOR, OH, PUT THE DATES BACK UP. , SEPTEMBER 9TH FOR, I MOVED TO SCHEDULE A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION FOR SEPTEMBER 9TH ON THE TOPIC OF FIREWISE AND COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER. FIREWISE SLASH DIVERSIONS. YEAH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THAT RESO. AND THEN I'LL DO A RESO FOR THE NEXT ONE. OKAY. OKAY. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION TO SCHEDULE A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION FOR NOVEMBER 12TH ON THE TOPIC OF WHERE DID WE ARTS AND CULTURE. OH, ARTS AND ARTS AND CULTURE. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. NOW THE [9.g. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items.] VERY LAST THING IS DISCUSSION. POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. PETE . THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, FOLLOWING UP ON THE CONVERSATION THAT WE JUST HAD, AND I PUT THIS TOGETHER JUST NOW, , THAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TAKE SOME ACTION ON THE, UH, TOPICS THAT CAME UP FROM COMMUNITY CONVERSATION NUMBER ONE AND DEALING WITH THE TOPIC OF COMMUNICATION. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF I CAN FIND COUNCIL SUPPORT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE UNIFIED EVENTS CALENDAR, AND, YOU KNOW, ASK STAFF TO THINK ABOUT CITY CHAMBER, LIBRARY, WHOEVER ELSE. THERE'S SOFTWARE PACKAGES THAT PULL FROM EXISTING CALENDARS. IT COULD BE WHATEVER OPTION. BUT THIS HAS BEEN A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION MY ENTIRE TIME HERE. AND EVERY TIME I HEAR IT, I HEAR THE NEGATIVES. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC. SO ARE YOU ASKING US TO BRING AN ITEM TO YOU WHERE WE SELECT THE SOFTWARE AND YOU GET TO SEE WHAT IT IS? OR YOU ARE ASKING US TO TALK, BRING BACK AN ITEM FOR YOU TO TELL US TO GO BY THE SOFTWARE AND THEN COME BACK AND HAVE YOU APPROVE? NO, I THINK IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE SOFTWARE. IT'S WHETHER THIS REALLY IS A CITY FUNCTION OR WHETHER THERE'S A PARTNER IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD WANNA STEP UP AND MAYBE WE FUND THEM, WHETHER IT'S A CHAMBER OR THE LIBRARY OR SOMEBODY ELSE, OR A CITY PERHAPS USE OF SOFTWARE. I DON'T WANNA PREDETERMINE ANY OUTCOME, BUT I THINK I'M JUST TRYING TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE EXPECTING IN THE AGENDA ITEM THAT WE WOULD PREPARE FOR IT IF YOU GET SUPPORT IS YEAH, I, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S OPTIONS AND THE STAFF SHOULD THINK THROUGH THE RANGE OF OPTIONS AND MAYBE WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR WHAT WE HAVE AND WHATEVER COMMUNITY PARTNER DID OR DIDN'T STEP UP AND WHATEVER. I DON'T WANNA PREDETERMINE ANYTHING, BUT I WANNA JUST SEE IF WE CAN'T START PUSHING THIS BALL UP THE HILL. HAVE WE HIRED A COMMUNICATION MANAGER? YES, BUT I WILL BE ANNOUNCING IT SHORTLY. I NEED TO FINISH THE PROCESS FIRST. OKAY. SO YOU HAVE ANY GAUGE OF A START DATE? WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? SORRY. I'LL LET YOU, UH, WE'LL BE SENDING OUT AN ANNOUNCEMENT ONCE I FINISH THE PROCESS. OKAY. I JUST, BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT PERSON SURE. BE ON BOARD BEFORE WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ON COMMUNICATION. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. I SUPPORT THAT AS AN AGENDA, MELISSA. UM, SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST AND AFTER THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION AND A COUPLE OF OTHER EVENTS THAT I ATTENDED. UM, IT'S COME UP AGAIN. SO I THOUGHT I WOULD ASK IF WE'RE INTERESTED IN, AGAIN, REVIEWING THE ACTUAL TIMES FOR THIS MEETING BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO WORK POINT JUST POINT OF ORDER. DO WE GET RESOLUTION ON THE FIRST IDEA BEFORE? YEAH. WE, WE DID, WE DID. THERE WAS I THINK UNANIMOUS SUPPORT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. YOU, YOU WERE DOING THIS AND WE'RE ALL GOING LIKE THIS. YEAH. ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT WHETHER YOU CAN SCHEDULE A RULES OF PROCEDURE DISCUSSION? YEAH, CHANGE, BUT ONLY IN ONE SECTION. LIKE, NOT FOR THE WHOLE THING, BUT ABOUT LIKE THE TIMES IN WHICH WE HOLD THE MEETING SO THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE MORE OF OUR RESIDENTS. I DON'T KNOW. CAN WE DO JUST ONE SECTION OR CAN WE HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE THING AGAIN? YES. AND SO WE HAVE ONE PROPOSAL, WE NEED TWO SECONDS IN ORDER TO SCHEDULE IT. WE HAVE CLEAR WHAT YOUR PROPOSAL IS, DISCUSS THIS TO REVIEW THE, DISCUSS THE FOUR 30 START TIME OF CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS [04:20:01] SO THAT WE CAN INCLUDE MORE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY AS WE START TO WANNA ATTRACT YOUNGER PEOPLE. IS IT JUST THE TIME OR THE TECHNOLOGY PERHAPS? I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT BE SOMETIMES AFTER THE ELECTION, SO WHATEVER NEW MEMBERS MIGHT BE ON THE COUNCIL. MM-HMM . CAN WEIGH IN ON IT. YOU STILL HAVE TO SCHEDULE IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, BUT AT THIS POINT IT WOULD BE SCHEDULED PROBABLY BEYOND THEN ANYWAY. SO I, THE ONLY REASON I, I DON'T REALLY WANNA HAVE THAT CONVERSATION IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE WE ONLY JUST CHANGED TO FOUR 30 FOR THE WEDNESDAYS AND WE CHANGED A COUPLE OF THEM BACK. WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD THIS YET ON A REGULAR BASIS. AND I THINK A NEW COUNCIL COMING IN SHOULD PROBABLY WEIGH IN ON, ON THAT. I WOULD RATHER TABLE THIS AND YOU BRING IT UP AT A FUTURE DATE IF THAT'S POSSIBLE FOR AS AN AGENDA ITEM. HUH? SO, YEAH, WE'RE NOT GONNA DISCUSS IT. I DON'T HEAR IT. TWO SECONDS. AND SO IT'S GONNA DIE FOR NOW. BRING IT UP AGAIN. OKAY. [11. ADJOURNMENT] ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.