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[1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE ]
EVERYBODY.IT IS 4:30 PM ON JUNE 10TH, AND I'M CALLING THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.
WOULD YOU JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE? MY PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[3.a. AB 3336 Discussion/possible direction on sustainability code recommendations for energy, mobility, waste, water, and climate resiliency.]
HAVE SPECIAL BUSINESS TODAY, AB 33 36.DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION ON SUSTAINABILITY CODE, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ENERGY, MOBILITY, WASTE, WATER, AND CLIMATE RESILIENCY.
SO I'M TURNING THIS OVER TO YOU, BRYCE, ARE YOU GONNA SAY ANYTHING IN? NO, I'M GONNA LET BRYCE TAKE IT OFF.
UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, DISTINGUISHED COUNCIL.
UH, HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS OUR SUSTAINABILITY CODE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU'LL SEE, UH, WITHIN THE PRESENTATION AS WELL.
THAT WAS IN THE, THE PACKET, UH, WITHIN THE REPORT THAT WAS PROVIDED.
UH, LARGELY TRYING TO ALIGN WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN PROGRAMMING AREAS THAT, UH, THE CITY HAS ADOPTED FROM ITS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN FROM 2021.
UH, YOU'VE ALL SEEN THIS SLIDE BEFORE, JUST KIND OF THE WIDE RANGE OF PROGRAMMING AREAS THAT WE, UH, WE TACKLE.
IT'S NOT JUST THE SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT UNDERTAKING A LOT OF THESE, THESE TOPICAL AREAS, BUT EVERYTHING'S FROM BUILDINGS, ENERGY AND LAND USE AND RESILIENCY AND WATER NATURAL SYSTEMS. SO IT GIVES US A WIDE RANGE TO COVER.
UH, AND WITHIN THAT, WE FELT THAT IT WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HELP, UM, SEE WHERE WE HAD OPPORTUNITIES TO ALIGN OUR CODE, UH, TO, UH, ALIGN WITH OUR CLIMATE ACTION GOALS AS WELL AS OUR COMMUNITY PLAN GOALS.
SO QUICKLY DISCOVER THE AGENDA, AGENDA.
WE'LL COVER A LITTLE BIT OF THE, UH, PROJECT BACKGROUND.
THEN WE WILL DIVE DIRECTLY INTO THE SUSTAINABILITY CODE RECOMMENDATION AREAS THEMSELVES, AND WE'LL ALSO COVER, UH, SOME NEXT STEPS OR, UH, POTENTIAL NEXT STEPS FOR US AS WE GO THROUGH THIS RESPECTIVE PROCESS.
UM, SO AS WE GO THROUGH IT, BY ALL MEANS FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS AND THE LIKE, UH, FOR IT.
UH, THIS IS MEANT TO BE THIS KIND OF BASELINE CONVERSATION STARTER.
WE CAN GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WE CAN, UH, RETRACT CODE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE LIKE.
BUT WE WANTED TO, TO KIND OF GET A, A GOOD STARTING GROUND FOR CONVERSATIONS.
SO FOR THE, UH, PROJECT BACKGROUND, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH SUSTAINABLE INVESTMENT GROUP, UH, LAST SUMMER.
IT WAS, IT WAS LATE SPRING, UH, INTO THE SUMMER TO HELP US DEVELOP, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS REPORT, UH, THAT, UH, IS, WAS IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY.
THE SUSTAINABLE INVESTMENT GROUP HAS EXPERIENCED IN A VERY WIDE RANGE OF, OF, UH, PROJECTS AND TOPICS.
EVERYTHING FROM LEAD CERTIFICATION, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY, GREEN BUILDINGS, UH, CONSTRUCTION DESIGN, ENGINEERING, CONSULTING SERVICES, AND, AND, UH, SIMILAR PROGRAMS. SO WE FELT THAT THE, UH, THERE WERE GOOD, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO, A GOOD PARTNER TO HELP US ADVANCE SOME OF THESE GOALS AND HAVE THE ANALYSIS DONE TO GET US IN THIS RANGE AND BALLPARK TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AS COLLABORATION AS MENTIONED BETWEEN OURSELVES AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WITH THE OVERALL GOALS, UH, OUTLINED THERE.
UM, AS THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THE 2024 COMMUNITY PLAN, AS WELL AS THE SLIGHTLY OLDER, UH, CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, BOTH OF THOSE HAVE VERY STRONG ASPIRATIONAL GOALS.
SO WE THOUGHT, UH, IT COULD BE PRUDENT OF THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO GET THE CODES TO MORE EFFECTIVELY ALIGN, UH, WITH THOSE PLANS.
UH, AND SO IF IT TO HELP KIND OF IMPROVE COHESIVENESS, UH, WITHIN THOSE DIVISION, UH, BETWEEN THE CODES AND THE PLANS AND THE LIKE WITH, UH, ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT OF ENHANCING LONG-TERM RESILIENCY AND LIVABILITY AS KIND OF A, A CENTRAL TENET OF, OF WHAT WE WANTED TO, TO LOOK AT.
UH, AND AS I MENTIONED, IT REALLY IS, THIS IS A CONVERSATION STARTER.
EVERYTHING IN THE REPORT IS LISTED AS RECOMMENDATIONS OR SUGGESTED CODE LANGUAGE.
AND THAT SUGGESTED CODE LANGUAGE WAS DEVELOPED WITH OUR CONSULTANTS TO KIND OF GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT HAS BEEN USED ACROSS THE COUNTRY OR WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT IT.
BUT IT IS NOT LIKE SIGN SALE DELIVERED FINAL LANGUAGE THAT WE WOULD PURSUE.
THERE'D STILL BE MORE CRITIQUES AND FEEDBACK, UH, AND, UH, OPPORTUNITIES, UH, FOR US TO ADJUST, UH, THOSE PROCESSES GOING FORWARD.
BUT I WANTED TO GET US KIND OF A SENSE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM A CODE PERSPECTIVE IF WE
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WERE TO ADOPT SOMETHING SIMILAR.AND SPEAKING OF SIMILARITIES, UH, YOU MAY, UH, BE AWARE OF THE RESILIENT SOUTHWEST BUILDING CODE COLLABORATIVE.
UH, THE IL THE COLLABORATIVE, UH, IS A WIDE RANGING, WIDE RANGING GROUP.
THEY HAVE CITIES, UH, INCLUDING ALBUQUERQUE, AVONDALE, FLAGSTAFF, GLENDALE, LAS CRUCES, MESA GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF RESILIENCY IN PHOENIX THAT ARE PURSUING, UH, ENERGY CODE, RESILIENCY CODE WATER CONSERVATION CODES AS WELL.
UH, THEY ARE LARGELY FUNDED THROUGH A DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY GRANT.
THEY JUST RECENTLY WRAPPED UP THEIR PHASE ONE OF THEIR RESPECTIVE PROJECTS FOR SCOPING AND FRAMEWORK DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEY'RE MOVING INTO PHASE TWO, WHICH IS TRYING TO DEVELOP ADDITIONAL RESOURCES FOR COMMUNITIES TO ADOPT SIMILAR INITIATIVES AS, UH, THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY.
SO, UH, THIS ISN'T, UH, SEDONA KIND OF WORKING IN A SILO WITH IT.
A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES, UH, ACROSS THE SOUTHWEST ARE PURSUING SIMILAR OBJECTIVES TO, TO VARYING DEGREES WITHIN THAT FOR ANTICIPATED TIMELINE.
UH, WE STARTED AS MENTIONED THAT WE STARTED THE, THE PROGRAM OR THE INITIATIVE LAST SUMMER.
UH, WE, THE REPORT WAS FINALIZED IN THE FALL OF LAST YEAR.
UH, WE WENT OUT AND GOT SOME INITIAL FEEDBACK FROM, UH, THE WORK GROUP THAT, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH, WITH THE BUILDING CODE SIDE OF THINGS, UH, TO GET SOME, UH, FEEDBACK FROM CONTRACTORS, DEVELOPERS, SO ON OF WHAT THEY THOUGHT WHERE WE WE LANDED WITHIN THIS FIRST GO.
DEFINITELY ISN'T OUR, UH, ANTICIPATED TO BE OUR FIRST AND ONLY TIME GATHERING THAT FEEDBACK.
I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO START THE CONVERSATION, UH, WITHIN THIS PROCESS.
AND THEN WE ARE NOW IN HERE IN JUNE, UH, WITH THE, THIS, UH, SESSION TODAY, UH, AS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, IS WORKING TO BEGIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CRITIQUES.
THEN WE WILL TAKE ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK THROUGH THAT PROCESS, UH, IN THE FIRST HALF FY 27 WITH, UH, POTEN WITH REFINEMENT AND POTENTIAL ADOPTION KIND OF TARGETED FOR THE SECOND HALF OF FY 27, UH, DEPENDING ON COUNCIL DIRECTION AND, AND THE SPEED OF WHICH WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THROUGHOUT THESE PROJECTS.
UH, THIS KIND OF ANTICIPATED TIMELINE WHERE WE THOUGHT WE'D KIND OF HEADING WITHIN THE, THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO, UM, IN THE DISCUSSION A FEW WEEKS AGO, WE TOUCHED ON, OR, UM, STEVE TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT OF THE ENERGY CODE SIDE OF THINGS, AND WE WANTED TO PROVIDE A BIT OF OUR FEEDBACK, UH, AS WELL.
SO THE 2024 ENERGY CODE, IT, THERE'S NO WAY AROUND.
IT INCREASES UPFRONT BUILDING COSTS, UH, FOR, FOR THAT CODE.
AND SO WE WERE VERY MINDFUL OF THAT AS, UH, WE HAD OUR CONVERSATIONS, UH, WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND OUR CONSULTANTS AND THE, LIKE, THE, UH, PROPONENT OF TRYING TO, UH, NAVIGATE THE INCREASE.
UH, BUILDING CODE COST SIDE OF THINGS IS JUST A, IT'S AN INHERENT PROBLEM WITHIN CODES IN GENERAL.
EVERY TIME YOU MAKE A CHANGE, THERE MIGHT BE, AS YOU WELL KNOW, COST INCREASES OR DECREASES, KIND OF FLUCTUATES DEPENDING ON HOW THEY BALANCE WITH OTHER RESPECTIVE PIECES OF THE CODE.
THE ENERGY CODE ITSELF, LONG-TERM SAVINGS OF, UH, IT DOES INCREASE LONG-TERM SAVINGS OF THAT HOME FROM A UTILITY STANDPOINT.
UH, IT WILL BEAT THE UPFRONT COSTS OF THE HOME, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO COME, UH, FIND THAT BALANCE NUANCE, UH, WITH OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, DEPARTMENT HAS WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH THE, UH, GROUPS IN THE AREA, CLARKDALE, CAMP VERDE, COTTONWOOD, AND SO ON, TO TRY TO, TO GET OUR CODE TO, TO MATCH A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFECTIVELY.
UM, AND SO THROUGH THOSE, UH, CONVERSATIONS, MOST OF OUR KIND OF FEEDBACK AND COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS KIND OF SHIFTED MORE TOWARDS AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM INITIATIVE THAT YOU'LL SEE TOWARDS THE END OF, UH, THIS PRESENTATION AS WELL AS THE END OF THE, UH, PACKET, UH, AS WELL.
AND THEN, UM, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE INHERENTLY WITHIN THE 24 RESIDENTIAL CODES AND, AND SIMILAR, THAT HELP US ON THE EFFICIENCY SIDE OF THINGS, THINGS WITHOUT JUST OUTRIGHT SAYING LIKE, THIS IS ENERGY EFFICIENCY, UH, BEING ABLE TO BUILD WITH MONO MONOLITHIC ADOBE STRAW BELL HOMES AND SIMILAR, UH, BUILDING STRATEGIES CAN HAVE ENERGY EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, AND SO THAT'S BUILT WITHIN THE CURRENT BUILDING CODE THAT IS BEFORE COUNCIL OR THE 24 PROPOSED, UH, BUILDING CODES WORTH FOR COUNCIL.
SO IT HAS ENERGY IMPROVEMENTS, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU DON'T FIND IT DISTINCTLY HOUSED WITHIN THE ENERGY CODE, UH, SIDE OF THINGS.
UH, AS WELL AS THERE'S, UM, CODE, THERE ARE BUILDING EFFICIENCIES WITHIN ENERGY FOR THE FIRE HARDENING CODES THAT, UH, WERE, WERE BROUGHT UP IN DISCUSSION, UH, LAST, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO WITH, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
AS THE HOMES, UH, IMPROVE ON THEIR, THEIR WINDOW STRUCTURES ON, THEY IMPROVE ON THE EXTERIOR STRUCTURES.
THERE'S INSULATION IMPROVEMENTS, THERE'S, UH, IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE DUCT WORK AND CEILING OF THOSE TO, TO IMPROVE ON THE FIRE RES, UH, RESILIENCY.
BUT THEN IT HAS A CO-BENEFIT EFFECT ON ENERGY EFFICIENCY SIDE OF THINGS.
SO WE FELT THAT THAT WAS WITHOUT THE 24 ENERGY CODES, THAT THERE WAS STILL SOME MOVEMENT AND IMPROVEMENT WITHIN ENERGY CONSERVATION AS
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A WHOLE, UH, THAT WE FELT AS IT AS A DECENT STEP, UH, TO BE ABLE TO TAKE.AND SO, UH, AND WITHIN OUR CONVERSATIONS, WE WERE IN AGREEMENT ON, ON BEING ABLE TO HAVE, UH, OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE STEPS FORWARD WITHOUT HAVING TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE 24 ENERGY CODES.
UH, AND, UH, STEVE AND CARRIE HEARD ME FROM THE VERY START OF THIS CONVERSATION WITH OUR, OUR CONSULTING GROUP.
AND WE STARTED WITH IDEAS LIKE, CAN WE HAVE SOLAR ON EVERY SINGLE, UH, BUILDING AND, AND NEW CONSTRUCTION FROM THE GET GO? CAN WE GET NATURAL GAS OUT OF THE BUILDINGS FROM THE GET GO? LIKE, SO WE STARTED, UM, VERY AMBITIOUS, AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THAT, THAT COLLABORATIVE MIDDLE GROUND THAT STILL GETS US SOME PROGRESS.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL SEE THE, THE SHIFT IN OUR, UH, EMPHASIS IS MORE ON THE INCENTIVE, UH, PROGRAM SIDE OF THINGS VERSUS THE, THE MANDATE.
UM, SO THERE ARE, UH, PROS AND CONS TO BOTH OF THOSE, BUT WE FELT THIS WAS A GOOD COLLABORATIVE PROCESS, UH, FOR US TO SHOW THAT WE WERE STILL TRYING TO MAKE PROGRESS WITHIN THAT.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, BRYCE.
SO WE'RE STILL NOT PLANNING TO ADOPT THE 2024 ENERGY CODES.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO TAKE SOME PIECES OF THEM.
THAT WAS OUR, OUR CURRENT KIND OF STRATEGY.
AND WHEN YOU SAY INCREASED UPFRONT BUILDING COSTS, THOSE COSTS ARE FOR THE CONTRACTOR, RIGHT? AND THEN ULTIMATELY IN THE PRICE OF THE YES.
UM, FOR, FOR REFERENCE, UM, OUR COLLEAGUES UP IN FLAGSTAFF, UH, LOOKED AT KIND OF FOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UH, FOR THE UPFRONT COST, UH, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOME.
UH, ADOPTING OF THE 2024 ENERGY CODES WITH SOME MINOR APPENDICES WAS ON AVERAGE ABOUT A $9,700 INCREASE, UH, IN THE UPFRONT COST OF THAT CONSTRUCTION.
SO WHAT WE HAVE TO BALANCE TOO IS OUR DESIRE TO DRIVE DOWN THE COSTS OF CONSTRUCTION, VERY MUCH SO.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE.
THAT'S THE, THE, THE VERY DELICATE BALANCE.
AND AS I'VE GOTTEN INTO THIS, UH, UH, INTO THIS EFFORT, UH, CODES WAS DEFINITELY NOT MY SPECIALTY IN GRAD SCHOOL AND THE, AND THE LIKE.
AND SO THAT BEING ABLE TO, TO DIVE INTO THIS WITH OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND UNDERSTAND THE NUANCES AND THE BACK AND FORTH, UH, OF ALL OF THOSE RESPECTIVE THINGS DEFINITELY DOESN'T MAKE THIS A, A, A ONE SIZE FITS ALL PERFECT SOLUTION.
AND SO WE'RE, UH, WHAT WE'RE HOPING WITHIN OUR PRESENTATION IS THAT WE SHOWING THAT WE TRY TO LOOK AT IT FROM A MULTIFACETED APPROACH.
SO, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING TO A STRUCTURE THAT ALREADY EXISTS, AND YOU LOOK AT A PAYBACK PERIOD FOR YOUR INVESTMENT, AND SO YOU UPFRONT, YOU SAY, OKAY, I'LL, I'LL PAY THIS.
MAYBE YOU PAY IT OUT IMMEDIATELY.
MAYBE YOU TAKE A LOAN, PAY IT OFF OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, BUT YOU MAKE A DECISION KNOWINGLY, RIGHT? AND WHEN IT'S IN NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT'S HARDER BECAUSE YOU, YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE GETTING PAYBACK FOR THAT.
YOU JUST KNOW YOU PAID MORE MONEY FOR THE HOME THAT YOU BOUGHT.
SO THE MESSAGING, UM, AND THE PIECE THAT GOES INTO THAT ON HOW, UH, DEVELOPERS, CONTRACTORS, CITY, THE COMMUNITY AND, AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS CAN HELP MESSAGE HOW THOSE BENEFITS CAN, CAN PLAY A ROLE, IS DEFINITELY A PIECE THAT WE WOULD FOCUS ON WITHIN MORE OF THE INCENTIVE AND EDUCATIONAL PIECE TO GET PEOPLE MORE AWARE OF THAT.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT, KIND OF TRANSITIONING MORE TOWARDS, UH, UH, AN ADOPTED CODE WOULD BE KIND OF OUR RECOMMENDATION, UH, AT THE CURRENT STAGE.
AND ON THAT LAST BULLET POINT, UH, FOR NORTHERN ARIZONA, UH, THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF IS CURRENTLY PURSUING THE, THE 24 ENERGY CODES.
UH, THEIR FIRST READ OF THAT, I BELIEVE GOES TO THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNCIL NEXT WEEK.
UH, FOR MUNICIPALITIES IN ARIZONA THAT HAVE ADOPTED IT, UM, EVERY ONE OF THEM ARE WITHIN THE PHOENIX AREA, UH, OF MARICOPA, GOODYEAR, CHANDLER, PHOENIX, SURPRISE, AND BUCKEYE, I BELIEVE.
SO ALL PHOENIX METRO, UH, KIND OF PURSUING THE 24 ENERGY CODES.
UH, SO THEY ARE IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SET OF BUILDING ENVIRONMENT, UH, AWARENESS OF THE, THEIR EFFORTS.
AND, AND WE ARE TRYING TO BALANCE WHERE FLAGSTAFF MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT AHEAD IF THEY ULTIMATELY ADOPT THE 20 FOURS.
BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO, UH, THROUGH WORK, UH, THROUGH THE EXTENSIVE EFFORTS OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, TRYING TO BRING UP, UM, THE VERDE VALLEY AS WELL.
AND SO THERE'S, UH, WE'LL KIND OF BE IN THIS LIKE LITTLE MEDIA, UM, MEDIUM RANGE BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO THIS, UH, GRAPH WAS MODIFIED A BIT FROM OUR, OUR COLLEAGUES UP IN, UH, FLAGSTAFF, BUT ESSENTIALLY, UH, SHOWCASES WHAT THE, THE SAME PIECE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT.
UM, SO GET MY CURSOR OVER THERE.
UH, SO, UM, THE CITY AND THE, AND FLAGSTAFF ARE CURRENTLY ON THE 2018 IECC ENERGY CODE SIDE OF THINGS.
THIS WAS JUST MODELING ON AN AVERAGE, UM, AVERAGE
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HOME FOR 2006, ENERGY USAGE THAT EACH TIME THERE WAS AN ENERGY CODE ADOPTION, YOU HAD AN IMPROVEMENT IN OVERALL EFFICIENCIES AND IMPROVEMENT IN ENERGY CONSUMPTION OF THAT RESPECTIVE HOME.SO IN 2018, PRETTY SIZABLE INCREASE WITHIN THAT ENERGY CODE.
UM, AND SO THE STAR IS ESSENTIALLY WHERE WE'RE AT.
THAT'S WHERE FLAGSTAFF IS CURRENTLY AT AS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THEIR CODE PROCESS AS WELL.
UM, UNDER THE, UH, NOTION OF KEEPING JUST THE 2018 ENERGY CODES AND MAKING NO IMPROVEMENTS TO, UH, SOLAR OR GREEN ROOFS, OR GETTING RID OF DOMESTIC HOT WATER HEATERS.
AND LIKE, YOU WOULD KIND OF STAY AT THE SAME PIECE THAT WE WERE AT IN 2018.
UH, THE 2024 ENERGY CODE ADOPTION DOES HAVE THAT, UH, IMPROVED IMPROVE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S ABOUT A 15% ENERGY EFFICIENCY BOOST WITHIN THE HOME, BUT IT DOES HAVE THAT UPFRONT COST TO IT.
THEN WITHIN THE ENERGY CODE, THERE ARE STRETCH PROVISIONS THAT'S KIND OF THIS PURPLE LINE, THIS LIKE PROGRESS TO NET ZERO THAT WOULD ADVANCE IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, BUT YOU'D HAVE ADDITIONAL COSTS, UPFRONT COSTS, YOU'D HAVE IMPROVED, UH, COMPONENTS OF, UM, INSULATION AND DUCT WORK.
AND THEN YOU GET TO A SPOT WHERE YOU EVEN HAVE TO HAVE AIR EXCHANGES TO PULL AIR BACK INTO THE HOME, BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE GETTING LIKE A VERY TIGHT, UH, AIRSEAL HOME.
AND SO YOU, YOU HAVE TO IMPROVE ON HOW THE VENTILATION WORKS WITHIN THAT.
SO IT DRIVES UP THE COST A BIT MORE.
UH, AND THEN WHEN YOU WRAP IT ALL TOGETHER, THERE'S A NET ZERO CODE PROVISION THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE COMPONENTS OF, UH, ESSENTIALLY ELECTRIFICATION READY HOMES THAT YOU'D BE GETTING RID OF ALL FOSSIL FUEL, UH, BASED ENERGY SOURCES WITHIN THE HOME.
AND THEN YOU'D MAKE IT NET ZERO BY ESSENTIALLY THEN PUTTING, UH, SOLAR SYSTEM OR A GEO, A SMALL GEOTHERMAL SYSTEM ON THAT PROPERTY TO THEN BE LIKE, YOU'RE FULLY NET ZERO.
UM, SO THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHERE SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT WOULD SAY WE NEED TO GET TO.
UH, BUT TRYING TO GO FROM ONE TO NET ZERO WHEN A, A RELATIVELY SHORT TIMEFRAME CAN BE A, A QUITE A BIG LIFT, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL OF THE FACTORS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONSIDER AND, UH, FIRE HARDENING AND, AND ENERGY COSTS AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND, AND SO ON.
SO, UH, WITH OUR, UH, PROPOSALS, UH, WE BELIEVE WE'LL KIND OF BE IN THIS LIKE LITTLE BIT BELOW THE STAR, BUT NOT QUITE THE 20 FOURS, BUT WE'LL, UH, KIND OF BE IN THIS MIDDLE RANGE HERE.
SO, WE'LL, WE'D HAVE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT NOT ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'D SEE IF YOU ADOPTED ALL OF THE 24 ENERGY CODES.
EXCUSE ME, BRYCE, IF I COULD HAVE, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT TRYING TO, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, GREENHOUSE GAS SERV, UH, UH, SURVEY OR CALCULATIONS THAT YOU DO.
IF WE IMPLEMENT THESE CODES, HOW MUCH DOES THAT BEND THE CURVE? SO IT'S, UH, IT, THERE'S A, A TWO-PRONGED PIECE TO IT.
UH, FROM THE BUILDING PERSPECTIVE SIDE OF THINGS, IF WE ADOPTED THE 24 ENERGY CODES, THE EMISSIONS THAT WERE COMING FROM THE BUILDING SECTOR, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY ABOUT HALF OF OUR EMISSIONS, UH, I CAN GET A FULL NUMBER THERE, BUT MY BRAIN IS ABOUT HALF EMISSIONS OF THE COMMUNITY'S EMISSIONS.
UM, THE EFFICIENCIES WOULD DROP THAT ABOUT 15% IF YOU GOT ALL OF THE HOMES TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
BUT THAT WOULD MEAN NOT ONLY NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT EVERY SINGLE HOME THAT'S CURRENTLY WITHIN THE CITY HAS TO GO THROUGH THAT.
UM, SO IDEALLY YOU GET TO THE SPOT WHERE YOU HAVE THE NET ZERO READY CODES, AND THEN AS TIME GOES ON, EACH ONE OF THOSE HOMES THAT GOES THROUGH A LARGE RENOVATION OR A FULL REDEVELOPMENT THEN COMES UP TO THAT NET ZERO STANDARD.
UH, SO IF WE IMPLEMENTED IT TOMORROW, WOULD WE SEE A DRASTIC REDUCTION IN EMISSIONS BY 2030? NO.
IT JUST, THE, THE TIMESCALE OF TRYING TO GET THE HOMES TO, TO COMPLY AND TRANSITION WOULD TAKE LONGER THAN THE, THE 2030 MARK WE HAVE.
BUT THAT WOULD BE THE, UH, THE GOAL THAT WE TRY TO GET TO THE SECOND PRONG OF THAT IS NOT JUST THE EFFICIENCY SIDE OF THINGS, BUT WHERE THEIR ELECTRICITY IS COMING FROM NOW, AS BEING ABLE TO SOURCE THAT FROM RENEWABLE ENERGY SO YOU COULD, UH, TACKLE THE OTHER END OF IT.
SO YOU'D HAVE THE SUPPLY SIDE AND DEMAND SIDE OF THE ENERGY WITHIN THE HOME.
UH, SO FOR SOME INITIAL DEVELOPER AND CONTRACTOR FEEDBACK, UH, I'M SURE SOME OF THESE WILL BE VERY, UH, VERY, VERY APPARENT IN CONVERSATIONS THAT, UH, YOU ALL HAVE HAD BEFORE.
UH, THERE IS A DESIRE, UH, WITHIN IT TO, UH, WITHIN THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED THAT WAS TO PHASE IT IN, IN FUTURE YEARS, TO, TO GIVE SOME TIME FOR THE DEVELOPERS TO ADJUST, UH, TO THE, THE CODE RECOMMENDATIONS AND CHANGES.
UH, THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THAT UPFRONT COST INCREASES.
AND SO WE ARE, AS WE'VE MENTIONED, THAT WE WERE VERY MINDFUL OF THAT AND TRYING TO, TO BALANCE THOSE, THOSE EFFORTS.
UH, THEY RECOMMENDED INCENTIVE
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PROGRAMS TO, TO HELP HELP THAT TRANSITION.UH, AND THEN WITHIN THE IDEA WITH THE FIREWISE AND THE TREE COVERAGE, 'CAUSE SOMETIMES WHEN YOU FIRST, UH, REVIEW THAT, YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, THOSE ARE TWO COMPETING IDEAS.
IF WE IMPROVE ON THE FIRE SAFETY OF THE HOME AND WE'RE CLEARING OUT THE TREES, THAT, HOW CAN YOU ALSO THEN IMPROVE TREE COVERAGE WITH WITHIN THAT PROPERTY? UM, AND SO THEY, UH, RECOMMENDED THE CREATION OF A RESOURCE BOOKLET THAT KIND OF SHOWED WHAT WE WOULD BE ENVISIONING AS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF IMPROVING TREE COVERAGE WITHIN A FIREWISE, UH, AND FIREWISE AND IBHS GUIDELINES, UH, THEY ALSO JUST, UH, EXPRESS SOME DESIRE FOR REFINEMENT IN NATIVE, UH, PLANT TREE SHRUBS AND DEFINITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
UH, AND SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, NATIVE PLANT SPECIES LIST THAT WE'RE UPDATING OR UPDATING, UH, LISTS ON INVASIVES AND SO ON.
SO I THINK, UH, THAT'S LEADS INTO, I THINK WE ARE GETTING THE TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF TACKLE THIS, THIS PORTION OF THE FEEDBACK THAT RECEIVED, THAT WE RECEIVED.
THE, THERE WAS ALSO SOME FEEDBACK THAT WAS ON EV PARKING STATIONS BALANCE AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT IF YOU HAD A MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING UNIT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THAT FAM THAT HOUSING UNIT HAVE EV STATIONS INSTALLED THERE, UH, WILL THOSE SATISFY THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OR ARE THEY VIEWED SEPARATELY THAN THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS? AND SO THEY JUST WANTED SOME CLARITY, UH, WITH THAT, UH, THAT RESPECTIVE CODE, UH, RECOMMENDATION AS THAT WOULD COME THROUGH TO REFINE THAT, TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR.
UH, AND THEN WE, UH, HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON JUST WHERE DOES THE MARKET, WHERE DO THEY SEE HOMES GOING? ARE SOME OF THESE HUGE LIFTS, ARE THEY A LITTLE BIT EASIER? UM, AND KIND OF TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT THEY'RE SEEING 'CAUSE WE AREN'T BUILDING AND AREN'T THERE ALL THE TIME, UH, SEEING WHAT THEIR RESIDENTS AND THEIR CUSTOMERS ARE LOOKING FOR.
SO MOST HOMES WERE GOING ELECTRIC, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE RANGES, THE RANGES WERE HOLDING ON STRONG PEOPLE LIKE THE, THE NATURAL GAS, UH, POWERED, UH, STOVE TOPS, WHICH I CAN'T BLAME 'EM, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO, TO GET 'EM INTO THAT SPOT WITH THE ELECTRIC RANGES.
BUT MOST HOMES WERE GOING ELECTRIC.
UM, AND THEN FOR A SOLAR, THE REQUEST FOR SOLAR ON NEW HOMES WAS FAIRLY CONSISTENT.
UM, SO THAT ASPECT WE THINK MIGHT BE, UH, SOLVABLE WITHIN THE MARKET ITSELF WITHOUT HAVING TO FULLY MANDATE IT.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE, UH, MOST HOMEOWNERS ARE KIND OF LOOKING IN THAT DIRECTION.
UH, HOW MANY DEVELOPER CONTRACTORS DID YOU ALL MEET WITH? SO WE MET WITH FIVE.
UM, AND ADMITTEDLY IT'S A, IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL GROUP, AND SO AS I MENTIONED, WE'LL, WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE, UH, SEARCH FOR ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK, BUT FIVE WAS OUR FIRST GROUP AND IT WAS A GROUP DISCUSSION.
AND WHO ALL FROM THE CITY REP WAS REPRESENTED? YOU AND, UH, STEVE, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AND THE FIRST TWO BULLETS, THREE BULLETS CERTAINLY SUGGEST A WHOLE LOT OF HESITATION MM-HMM
UH, I THINK THE, I WOULD ALSO ARGUE THAT EVERY TIME CODE UPDATES COME, THE, THE DEVELOPER AND CONTRACT COMMUNITY IS, IS HESITANT FROM THE GET GO WITH IT.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO BALANCE WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE TO THEIR, THEIR OPERATIONS AND POCKETBOOK.
SO, UH, ARGUMENT IS FROM MY END, IT'S JUST WITH ANYTHING THAT'S A, A, A BIG CHANGE THERE, THERE IS HESITATION WITHIN THAT.
I'LL JUST ASK MIKE QUICKLY, WHEN YOU SAY REQUESTS FOR SOLAR ON NEW HOMES, IS CONSISTENT, CONSISTENT WHAT CONSISTENTLY BEING ASKED FOR? YES.
SO, UM, ON THE EV PARKING, ESPECIALLY IN MULTI-FAMILY, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE DEVELOPERS ACTUALLY PAYING FOR, OR DO THEY JUST MAKE AN ARRANGEMENT WITH, YOU KNOW, GO OR SOMEBODY ELSE WHO ACTUALLY MONITORS THE, THE EV? UH, SO THAT WOULD BE DEPENDENT ON WHAT CHARGING COMPANY THEY GO WITH.
UH, IF THEY WENT THROUGH A COMPANY LIKE CHARGEPOINT, UM, THEY COULD PHYSICALLY MONITOR THE STATIONS AND SET PRICING FOR THOSE STATIONS THEMSELVES.
IF THEY CHOSE, UH, A COMPANY LIKE BLINK, UM, LIKE WENT TO BLINK, I THINK THEY MIGHT JUST DO MUNICIPAL, BUT IF THEY WENT TO, SOME OTHER COMPANIES HAVE IT TO WHERE THE COMPANY ITSELF SETS THE RATES.
UM, AND SO IT'D BE DEPENDENT ON, ON KIND OF LIKE WHAT OPTION THEY CHOSE FOR THAT.
I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION FUNDAMENTALLY COMES DOWN TO IS THERE A WAY FOR, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOUR GROUP SOMEHOW TO HELP, UM, A, YOU KNOW, UH, INTRODUCE COMPANIES WHO
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WOULD ACTUALLY PAY FOR ACTUALLY INSTALLING THEM IN THE MULTIFAMILY AND MONITORING THEM AND DOING ALL THAT WITH DEVELOPERS? SO THE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT ABSORBING THE COSTS THEMSELVES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME MEETING THE REQUIREMENT? THERE'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION FOR THAT.I MEAN, THE, THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, BUT SIMILAR TO THE ELECTRIFY AMERICA AND CITI WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PURSUE WITHIN THAT.
UM, SO THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT OFF THE, THE TABLE.
FOR SOME OF OUR RECENT EFFORTS.
WE APPLIED WHEN IT WAS AVAILABLE, WE APPLIED FOR A CHARGING AND FUELING INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT, UH, THAT WOULD'VE TARGETED, PUTTING ADDITIONAL, UH, EV CHARGING STATIONS AT MULTIFAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENTS, UM, THAT WERE, UH, I THINK IT WAS, UH, VISTA'S ON SHELBY AND, UH, I THINK IT WAS THE LIBRARY AND THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER LOCATIONS, BUT WE WERE, WE WERE TRYING TO HELP FACILITATE THAT TO HAVE FUNDING TO GET THOSE INSTALLED.
AND, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE CITY ITSELF IS NOT PAYING INTO THIS.
IT'S A MATTER OF TRYING TO REDUCE THE COST, UM, WITH THIS REQUIREMENT.
SO THAT ONE OR TWO STATIONS, OR HOWEVER MANY THE RIGHT NUMBER IS, DON'T REALLY ADD TO THE DEVELOPMENT COST OF THE MULTIFAMILY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE MIGHT NOT OWN THE LAND.
IT MIGHT HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH, WITH THE CITY ITSELF.
I, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR.
I WASN'T PROPOSING THAT WE SPEND MONEY HELPING.
UM, AND I, I CAN FULLY AGREE WITH YOU THE, UH, COMPONENT OF WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN, CAN HELP CONNECT, UH, BUSINESSES AND DEVELOPERS, WE'D BE, WE HA WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
UM, THE, I WOULD IMAGINE SOME, SOME EV COMPANIES WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT BECAUSE IT GETS THEM A, A MARKET, UH, FOOTHOLD OR A PLACE TO BE ABLE TO ADVOCATE FOR IT.
SO, UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY EXPLORE THAT.
THE COST FOR IT, THE EV PARKING COSTS, UH, THE, THE PARKING LOTS ALREADY HAVE A EV READY CODE.
A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SPACES HAVE TO HAVE THE EV CONDUIT AND THE LIKE IN THERE.
UH, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE LIKE THE STATION PUT IN.
SO IT'D BE TRYING TO GET THAT ONE LITTLE EXTRA STEP FURTHER TO GET THE, THE STATION ON THE STATION SIDE OF THINGS.
A LEVEL TWO STATION, UH, CAN BE, UH, I MEAN IT IS STILL A COST, BUT IT'S, UH, CAN EVEN BE FROM ABOUT 2000 TO 5,000 FOR A LEVEL TWO CHARGING STATION, UM, FOR INSTALLATION.
SO IT'S NOT A VERY LARGE EXORBITANT NUMBER, BUT IT IS, IT WOULD STILL BE AN UPFRONT COST INCREASE TO IT IF THEY WERE TRYING TO DO LIKE A LEVEL THREE EV CHARGING STATION THAT'S LIKE 150,000 OR SO JUST FOR THE CHARGER.
SO, UH, THAT COULD BE, UH, MUCH MORE, UH, PROHIBITIVE FOR THE DEVELOPER TO DO THAT.
CAN I TAG ONTO THAT A LITTLE BIT? UM, THAT 2000 DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MUCH FOR, TO ME, FOR A LEVEL TWO.
UM, I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S SORT OF A BREAK EVEN IN THE INDUSTRY, A CONSIDERED SORT OF A BREAK EVEN NUMBER OF, OF EV CHARGERS, UM, TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE FOR THE COMPANY.
AND IF SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT SORT OF, UM, MULTIFAMILY U NUMBER OF UNITS WOULD THAT EQUATE TO? UH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, I CAN SEE IF WE CAN FIND A, A, AN, AN ANSWER FOR THAT.
MOST OF THE CHARGING COMPANIES THAT WE'VE TALKED TO THAT ARE MORE ON THE, THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THINGS WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE SETTING THE RATES.
UH, THEY HAVEN'T PROVIDED A WHOLE LOT OF WHAT THEY CONSIDER THEIR BREAK EVEN.
BUT I CAN DEFINITELY, UH, LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER.
I'M JUST, SINCE WE'RE DOING INFILL PROJECTS, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF UNITS AT A TIME, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WORTH THEIR WHILE THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
SO THERE WAS RECENTLY AT THE VILLAS ON SHELBY SOME COMMUNICATION ABOUT WHY DIDN'T WE, WHY WE DID NOT REQUIRE THE INSTALLATION OF CHARGERS THERE.
AND STEVE WAS, MERTIS WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO EXPLAIN THAT THE CONDUIT IS THERE, BUT WE DON'T REQUIRE THE CHARGERS.
AND WHEN THIS INDIVIDUAL WENT TO TALK WITH THE BILL SHELBY, THEY SAID WE HAD TO BALANCE THE FACT THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING IN HERE ARE LOW INCOME AND ARE NOT LIKELY TO HAVE THAT, THAT WAS THEIR OPINION, NOT LIKELY TO HAVE ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
AND RATHER THAN INCREASE THE COST OF THE RENT, WE DIDN'T OPT TO INSTALL THEM.
NOW, I GUESS THEY'RE SAYING THEY INTEND TO INSTALL THEM, BUT NOT NECESSARILY HAVE GIVEN A DATE.
SO IT IS THIS BALANCE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND THAT IS YOU, YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD, UH, WITH IT.
'CAUSE THE, ON ONE HAND, RIGHT NOW, THE UPFRONT COST OF AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE IS HIGHER THAN, THAN INTERNAL COMBUSTION COUNTERPART.
SO LOWER INCOME, UH, HOUSEHOLDS
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ARE GENERALLY NOT GOING AFTER THE EV.BUT THEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE CHARGING STATIONS THERE TO BEGIN WITH, YOU DON'T EVEN INCENTIVIZE THAT.
THAT COULD BE AN OPTION SO THAT THEY DON'T EVEN LOOK AT IT FROM THE GET GO.
UH, AND SO YOU'RE TRYING TO DEFINE THAT BALANCE.
UH, SO SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS TO CONSIDER JUST FOR, UH, WHERE OUR THOUGHT PROCESS IS ON, ON HOW WE LOOKED AT THE CODES AND JUST, NOT JUST THESE CODES, BUT, UH, ANY POTENTIAL FUTURE CODES, UH, THAT WE, WE LOOK AT OR, OR COUNSEL WOULD LIKE US TO PURSUE IS JUST THAT AS, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE, UH, TRYING TO BUILD FOR THE, LARGELY WITHIN THE CONFINES OF TODAY, THE COSTS OF TODAY, THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, THE TRANSPORTATION AND SO ON, WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD HOMES THAT ARE GONNA LAST FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
SO THE, UH, ISSUES, THE HURDLES THAT WE FACE TODAY, UH, MIGHT NOT BE THE SAME IN 50 TO A HUNDRED YEARS.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THAT PIECE THAT CAN BALANCE THOSE, THOSE COST FACTORS CAN BALANCE THOSE, UH, THOSE HURDLES WITH WHERE WE WANT THE COMMUNITY OR WE ARE ADVISING AND THEN RECOMMENDING THE COMMUNITY ADJUST IT TO MEET ITS COMMUNITY GOALS, UH, WITHIN THEIR PLANS.
UM, 'CAUSE IF YOU BUILD A HOME THAT IS RELATIVELY WEAK ON ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND FIRE HARDENING AND SO ON, UH, TO GO BACK AND RETROFIT THAT HOME COULD BE EVEN MORE COSTLY.
UM, IF YOU WERE DOING AN INSTALLATION OF SOLAR ON A, ON A NEW PROPERTY AS NEW CONSTRUCTION, AND YOU SAY LOOKING AT LIKE A $25,000 SOLAR SYSTEM, BUT THEN 10, 20 YEARS DOWN THE LINE, YOU GO BACK AND YOUR ROOF WASN'T READY TO HANDLE THAT SYSTEM, NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE THE COST OF THE SOLAR, BUT NOW YOUR ROOF HAS TO BE UPGRADED.
UH, AND SO THEN YOU JUST SHOT THE COST THROUGH THE, THE
UH, BUT, UH, THAT IT, IT'S SOMETHING OF, OF TRYING TO GET THESE THINGS TO BE READY OR ADAPTABLE FROM THE START SO THAT THEY CAN BE ABLE TO, TO NAVIGATE THOSE CHANGES THAT ARE, THAT ARE COMING DOWN, UH, COMING THE COMING OUR WAY.
UM, AND THOSE LONG TERM OPERATIONAL COSTS IMPACT A HOME.
UH, AND SO IT'S A, A FUN NUANCED BALANCE CONVERSATION THAT WE, WE ALL GET TO HAVE ON, ON WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AT OBTAINABILITY OR AFFORDABILITY OF THE HOME, IS THAT THE UPFRONT AFFORDABILITY, THAT IS OUR MAIN AND PRIMARY FOCUS, WHICH UNDERSTANDABLY, THERE IS A LARGE EMPHASIS ON THAT.
BUT THEN IF 20 YEARS DOWN THE LINE, THE NEXT HOMEOWNER GETS INTO THAT HOME AND THEIR UTILITY BILLS ARE A HUNDRED, $200 MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A HOME THAT IS ADJACENT TO IT, THAT WAS BUILT EFFICIENTLY, IS THAT CONSIDERED THE ATTAINABLE PIECE? LIKE IS IT THE LONG TERM AT OBTAINABILITY? AFFORDABILITY OF IT IS THE SHORT TERM AFFORDABILITY.
AND SO IT'S TRYING TO, TO, TO FIND WHERE THAT BALANCE POINT IS TO STILL MAKE SOME PROGRESS, UM, WITHIN OUR ENERGY CODES AND EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS, UH, UTILITY COSTS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE EXPECTED TO INCREASE.
AND THAT'S NOT GONNA STOP, UH, ANYTIME SOON FROM, UH, MOST OF OUR, UM, CONTACTS AND, UM, AND RESEARCH INTO IT.
UH, THE ICF RECENTLY HAD A REPORT THAT THEY'RE ANTICIPATING UTILITY COSTS BY 2030 NATIONALLY TO GO UP ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 40%.
A PS IS LOOKING AT A 14%, UH, RATE PROPOSAL THIS YEAR ALONE.
UH, AND SO THAT PLAYS A ROLE IN HOW CAN WE DEVELOP THESE HOMES TO BE ABLE TO BUFFER AGAINST SOME OF THOSE RATE INCREASES THAT ARE COMING, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S ON THE NATURAL GAS OR, OR ELECTRIC SIDE OF THINGS.
UM, AS A WHOLE, ARIZONANS ARE EXPECTED TO SPEND ABOUT 92,000 FOR THE HOUSEHOLD, UH, WITH, UH, ON AN AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD IN THE NEXT 25 YEARS.
IT'S A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF MONEY.
UH, AND SO THE UTILITY RATES, UH, THAT ARE ANTICIPATED INCREASE, UH, THOSE CAN DRIVE THAT COST UP MAYBE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT ESTIMATE TODAY.
SO AS WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THOSE, THOSE, THE NUANCES AND THE HURDLES WITHIN THAT, UH, THAT'S WHERE I REFER BACK TO THE FIRST PART.
THERE ISN'T, UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ISN'T THIS PERFECT SILVER BULLET PLAN OF LIKE, DO THIS AND WE'VE SOLVED EVERYTHING.
UH, THE, THE HOUSING AND THE BUILDING CHALLENGES THAT FACE IT, UH, REQUIRE LIKE A MULTITUDE OF, OF, UH, INITIATIVES TO TRY TO TACKLE IT.
I ALSO JUST WANTED TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT SIMILAR, THE LINE OF THINKING IS THAT THE BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS NOW, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S FIRE HARDENING WHETHER OR NOT YOU IMPROVE ON FLOOD, UH, MITIGATION STRATEGIES WITHIN THE HOME WATER CONSERVATION OR ENERGY CAN HELP YOU INSULATE AGAINST THOSE FUTURE COST INCREASES AS WELL AS POTENTIAL NATURAL HAZARDS, UH, AND DISASTERS.
UM, NUMEROUS STUDIES FROM, UH, IN COM, COM DEV CAN DEFINITELY HIGHLIGHT THIS IS JUST NUMEROUS STUDIES THAT HOMES THAT HAD MORE FIRE RESILIENCE AND LIKE, WERE MORE, UH, OR WE'RE MORE, UH, ADAPTED OR HAD A BETTER CHANCE OF RESILIENCY IN A FIRE, FIRE HAZARD.
SO TRYING TO BALANCE THAT AGAINST FUTURE COST INCREASES IN INSURANCE AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU LOSE THE HOME IN
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THE FIRST PLACE.SO WHILE WE ARE VERY COGNIZANT OF THE COST INCREASES, WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO ADAPT AND GIVE SOME RESILIENCY WITHIN THE HOME STRUCTURES FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR WHERE, WHERE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AT.
ALRIGHT, WELL TRANSITION INTO THE CODE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, AS A WHOLE, UH, THE REPORT HAD 32 CODE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, YOU'LL, AS WE GO THROUGH IT, UH, YOU'LL SEE EACH TABLE HAD A, UH, HAS LIKE A YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED ROW.
UH, THAT YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED ROW IS ESSENTIALLY GOING TO BE WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING AS LIKE THE FIRST PHASE TO PURSUE ADDITIONAL REFINEMENT.
UM, AND, UM, SORRY, PERFU PURSUE ADDITIONAL REFINEMENT, UH, AT THE YOU'LL AT THE END.
YOU'LL ALSO ALSO GO, UH, OVER 10 PROGRAM RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE'LL HIGHLIGHT SIMILAR FASHION OF JUST KIND OF WHERE WE THOUGHT PRIORITY PROGRAMS, UH, COULD BE, UH, FOR CITY, UH, COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION AND DIRECTION, UH, AS WE GO FORWARD ON THE ENERGY RECOMMENDATIONS SIDE OF THINGS, UH, WE JUST HAD THREE THAT WE FELT WERE KIND OF LIKE THE MOST, LIKE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK OR ADAPTABILITY, UH, PIECES WITHIN THE, UH, WITHIN THE CODES THAT WE LOOKED AT, UH, THE FIRST ONE.
SO THEY'RE, UH, WHEN YOU SEE ENERGY ONE, TWO, OR THREE, THEY'RE NOT LISTED IN PRIORITY.
IT, IT JUST ENDED UP BEING LISTED AS JUST THE, WHICH ONES THAT GOT PUT IN THE REPORT FIRST, BUT IT'S NOT LISTED AS PRIORITY.
SORRY, THROAT GOT REALLY DRY FOR A SECOND.
CHARLOTTE, COULD, COULD YOU EXPLAIN BATTERY OR NOT NECESSARILY BATTERY READY, NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT BATTERY USE.
UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KIND OF BACKUP SYSTEMS FOR EVERYBODY OR WHAT? YEAH.
UH, SO THE PERHAPS AND EMOTIONAL SUBJECT
IT'S CAN BE BOTH A RESILIENCY PIECE THAT IN A POWER OUTAGE THAT YOU HAVE A BATTERY SYSTEM ON YOUR HOME THAT IS ABLE TO SUPPLY, SAY LIKE FOUR HOURS OR SO WORTH OF THAT ENERGY.
UM, AND SO YOUR FOOD DOESN'T SPOIL AS QUICKLY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE STILL ABLE TO RUN THE LIGHTS AND AC UM, SO IT WOULD BE AN AUXILIARY SYSTEM THAT, UM, FOR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD PLACE IT ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOME.
UH, SO IT HAS EASIER ACCESS FOR, UH, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS OR EMERGENCY RESPONDERS IF THEY NEEDED TO TACKLE, UH, A BATTERY RELATED ISSUE.
UM, IT ALSO HAS A FUNCTION OF THAT WHEN IT'S PAIRED, UH, KIND OF A TWO-PRONG THING WHEN IT'S PAIRED WITH SOLAR.
UM, DURING, DURING GENERAL OPERATIONS OF THAT SOLAR SYSTEM, IT'S OVERPRODUCING FOR THE HOME.
AND SO INSTEAD OF SELLING THAT BACK TO A PS AT LIKE 2 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR, YOU, THE SYSTEM WOULD HOLD IT.
AND THEN DURING A, A PEAK, UH, DEMAND PERIOD, OR, UH, GENERALLY PEAK DEMAND RATES THAT INSTEAD OF PAYING LIKE 17 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR, YOU'D USE THAT BATTERY SYSTEM TO THEN DISPERSE THAT ENERGY INTO THE HOME.
SO YOU CUT OFF THE PEAK RATE THAT A PS WOULD CHARGE, UM, AS WELL AS FOR THE SOLAR SYSTEM, CAPTURING ANY OF THAT OVERAGE SO THAT YOU ACTUALLY JUST MAKE IT MORE USEFUL, UH, WITHIN THAT.
SO THAT, THAT'D BE KIND OF HOW WE VIEW THE BATTERY.
AND IS THAT, UM, KIND OF BLEEDING EDGE OR WHERE, WHERE IS THAT IN THE UNIVERSE? IT SEEMS VERY ADVANCED.
UH, I WOULD SAY ACTUALLY I'D PROBABLY DEFER TO OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOLKS THERE ON THE LEADING ENTITIES.
WE SEE IT, WE'RE SEEING IT MORE OFTEN AT SCALE.
YOU'LL, UH, TE YOU'LL SEE LIKE A TESLA WALL PACKS ARE, ARE, UH, COMMONLY, UH, REFERRED TO.
AND SO I'D SAY LIKE THEY'RE THE MAIN ONE THAT YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT, UH, BEING UTILIZED.
BUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S KIND OF LIKE BLEEDING EDGE OR RIGHT BEHIND THAT ARE KIND OF, YES.
UM, I WOULD SAY ABOUT 30% OF OUR PV PERMITS, UH, COME WITH SOME SORT OF BATTERY STORAGE WITH THEM.
IT IS BECOMING MORE PREVALENT.
UM, THE CODES, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I HIGHLIGHTED, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO IS ONE OF THE BIG CHANGES IN THE 2024 CODES, UH, IS THEY HAVE NOW MORE SECTIONS WITHIN THE CODE AND MORE NOT JUST REQUIREMENTS, BUT ALLOWANCES, UH, FOR BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEMS BECAUSE THEY, THEY ARE, UH, THE NEXT GENERATION, UH, THEY'RE GONNA SURPASS GENERATORS IN MY OPINION.
UM, THEY, THESE BATTERIES JUST ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE EFFICIENT AND THEY CAN DO THEIR, THEIR DUAL PURPOSE, UH, AS, UH, BRYCE JUST STATED, UM, THEY CAN HELP, UH, HELP YOU WITH YOUR ENERGY COSTS DURING NORMAL OPERATIONS.
UH, AND, UH, THEY'RE THE, UH, THE, THE BACKUP WHEN POWER GOES DOWN AND THEY DON'T NEED FUEL.
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YOU KNOW, UNLIKE A GENERATOR, UH, SO YES, THEY, THEY ARE BECOMING MORE PREVALENT.SO IS THIS MORE IN COMMERCIAL, UM, APPLICA IN RESIDENTIAL? IN RESIDENTIAL, YES.
SO BRYCE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
ON THE ENERGY THREE THAT JUST HAS TO DO WITH COLORS ON ROOFS.
UH, I HAVE SOME SLIDES COMING UP ON, ON THAT.
UH, MY NEXT TWO SLIDES, UH, ARE ON THAT, UH, FOUR ENERGY THREE IN PARTICULAR.
THE, THE FIRST, UM, RECOMMENDATION FROM THE REPORT WAS ESSENTIALLY HAVE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION.
EITHER HAVE A SOLAR ROOF, A GREEN ROOF, OR A HIGH, UH, SOLAR REFLECTIVE ROOF.
AND, UH, IT WAS TRYING TO GET TO A SPOT OF, OF, INSTEAD OF JUST BUILDING THE HOME TO HAVE OR HOME OR THE BUSINESS TO HAVE LIKE A SOLAR READY ZONE ON THE ROOF IS THAT YOU GO A LITTLE EXTRA AND DO ONE OR THE OTHER.
ADMITTEDLY, GREEN ROOFS ARE EXPENSIVE.
UH, BUT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE CODE ENCOURAGEMENT OF SAYING LIKE, HEY, IF YOU WANNA DO THIS, WE WE'RE ENCOURAGING, UH, A GREEN ROOF STRUCTURE TO IT.
IT'S JUST YOU HAVE TO BUILD THE STRUCTURE TO HANDLE MORE WEIGHT.
AND SO IT DRIVES UP THE, THE COST FOR THE GREEN ROOF.
UM, SO FOR THE FIRST PHASE, UH, THE INITIAL PHASE THAT WE ARE KIND OF THINKING OF IF, IF, UH, FOR COUNCIL'S DIRECTION ON IS THAT IF COUNCIL DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO TACKLE THIS AND SAY LIKE, OR NOT TACKLE IN A SENSE, LIKE IF WE DON'T WANNA COVER ALL COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, THAT COMMERCIAL COULD BE GREEN ROOF OR SOLAR.
AND FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SPACE, SAY GET AT LEAST A LIGHTER COLOR ROOF.
AND THEN I'LL COVER WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE ON THE, THE COLORS HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES.
AND IF I COULD, BRYCE, WHEN YOU SAID GREEN ROOFS, YOU USED THE WORD ENCOURAGE MM-HMM
SO IS IT, IS IT, WHAT DOES ENCOURAGE MEAN TO YOU IN THIS CONTEXT? IS IT AN INCENTIVE? IS IT JUST YOU GO, GIRL PUT ON A GREEN ROOF, THE CODE ALLOWS IT, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING SPECIAL FOR YOU, BUT YOU COULD DO IT IF YOU WANT.
SO THE BASE LEVEL WOULD BE THAT OF JUST SAYING YOU HAVE THE OPTION, WE WANT YOU TO, UH, CONSIDER IT AND INCORPORATE IT IF YOU REALLY WANNA GO FOR IT.
UM, THE OTHER PIECE THAT WE WOULD WANT THE COUNCIL DIRECTION ON IS THAT YOU COULD STRUCTURE THAT TO SAY, HEY, WE'LL GIVE YOU A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE SINCE IT IS SO COSTLY TO DO, UM, IF THERE WOULD BE APPETITE FOR US TO PURSUE A PROGRAM OF THAT NATURE GOING FORWARD.
BUT INITIALLY IT'S JUST SAY, HEY, THE THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR YOU.
UM, SO THAT WHEN SOMEBODY IS LOOKING THROUGH THE CODE, THAT IT DOESN'T JUST SAY, BUILD A STANDARD ROOF AND CALL IT A DAY THAT IT SAYS, HEY, HERE ARE SOME OPTIONS FOR YOU TO PURSUE.
AND SOME PER, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE LIKE, I WANT TO DO SOLAR, I'LL DO SOLAR ALL DAY LONG.
AND YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME DEVELOPERS WHO ARE LIKE, I WILL TAKE THAT EXTRA BURDEN BECAUSE I REALLY WANT TO BUILD A REALLY DYNAMIC PROJECT THAT DOES THE GREEN ROOF.
UM, BUT INITIALLY IT WOULD BE MORE OF LIKE PROVIDING THE OPTION AND SAYING LIKE, WE, WE WANT YOU TO DO IT, BUT THE COST EFFECTIVENESS OF IT WOULD, WOULD BE NEEDED CONSIDERATION.
WHICH THEN, THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER.
AND YOU SPURRED, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IS WHETHER POTENTIAL OPTIONS EXIST FOR INCENTIVIZING IN TERMS OF ENCOURAGING.
THAT'S ALMOST NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT FOR ALL OF THESE CHANGES.
DO WE COME OUTTA THE BOX WITH A, YOU GOTTA DO THIS, THE CODE SAYS YOU GOTTA DO IT.
OR DO WE START WITH MAYBE SOME ENCOURAGEMENT AND SOME INCENTIVES BEFORE WE ROLL OUT THE HAMMER THERE? YOU KNOW, SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME CONSIDERATION IN ALL THE CODE CHANGES ABOUT, DO WE REALLY NEED TO DO THE CODE NOW OR DO WE START WITH SOMETHING SOFTER FIRST AND MOVE TO A CODE LATER? LIKE WE'RE DOING WITH DARK SKY STUFF, LIGHTING, ALL, ALL I'LL SAY IS, UH, AS A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, COULD BE IN THE CONSIDERATION WITH THAT.
I, FOR MOST EVERY PROJECT I'VE LOOKED AT FOR SUSTAINABILITY, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S CODES OR OR WASTE REDUCTION AND SO ON, IS TRYING TO, TO GIVE THAT, UH, A BALANCED APPROACH SAYING, WE WANT YOU TO GET TO HERE, HERE'S SOME ENCOURAGEMENT TO MOVE YOU ALONG, BUT AT SOME POINT, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S STAFFING RESOURCES, FUNDING OR SO ON, THAT'S GOTTA DROP OFF.
AND THEN YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING RIGHT.
UM, SO THERE IS THAT KIND OF, UM, THE, THE PHASED IN, UH, SLOW AND STEADY APPROACH THAT THAT, UH, BALANCES BOTH OF THOSE EFFORTS.
UM, SO BRYCE MENTIONED FINANCIAL INCENTIVES.
I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS THAT THERE ARE INCENTIVES ALREADY IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, I THINK THE MOST OBVIOUS ONE THAT PEOPLE HAVE IS HEIGHT, BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS A
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WHOLE IN THE NEXT YEAR.UM, AND SO BEYOND FINANCIAL INCENTIVES, THERE COULD BE, WE COULD ADD SUSTAINABILITY INCENTIVES TO GET YOUR ALTERNATE STANDARDS INSTEAD OF GOING TO DARKER COLORS.
WE CAN ADD SOME, UM, FLEXIBILITY IN SOME OF THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS IF YOU'RE DOING SUSTAINABILITY, UM, THINGS.
BUT SO BEYOND FINANCIAL INCENTIVES, THERE ARE, OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS ALSO ACTUALLY PRETTY WELL SET UP ALREADY FOR THIS KIND OF STRUCTURE.
AND SO WITH YOUR DIRECTION TONIGHT, WE COULD ALSO LOOK AT ADDING SOME INCENTIVES THERE AS WELL.
SO JUST BEYOND FINANCIAL INCENTIVES, I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
ALRIGHT, SO I'LL GO INTO THE COLORS NEXT.
UH, SO THE BOTTOM TABLE IS WHAT I PULLED FROM OUR CURRENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO, UH, IT'LL REFER TO ESSENTIALLY A LIGHT REFLECTIVE VALUE, WHICH IS, UH, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM, UH, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS IN THE REPORT, WHICH IS SOLAR REFLECTIVITY INDEX.
UH, SIMILAR BUT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UH, MEASURES.
UH, SO THE CURRENT CODE, UH, HAS THE LARGE, LARGE 20,000 SQUARE FEET OR ABOVE, UH, PROPERTIES AT A LIGHT REFLECTIVE VALUE FOR THE COLORING AT A 20%.
UH, IT REDUCES, OR I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW IF I WANNA SAY REDUCES OR INCREASES IN TERMS OF LIGHT REFLECTIVITY, BUT WITH THE SMALLER SIZE HOMES, UH, THE LIGHT REFLECTIVE VALUE THAT'S ALLOWED IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AT 38%.
SO GENERALLY YOU'LL SEE IT KIND OF, UH, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S KIND OF GRAY.
THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY A GRAY SCALE.
UH, BUT YOU'LL HAVE THE LARGER HOMES, UH, LARGER HOMES, COMMERCIAL SITES AND AND SO ON THAT WILL END UP IN THIS DARKER COLOR RANGE.
UH, AND THEN RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES WILL BE SLIGHTLY LIGHTER, UH, IN COLOR.
UH, WHEN WE FIRST MET WITH OUR CONSULTANTS, THE CONSULTANTS LIKE, WELL, CAN YOU JUST GO WHITE? 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE MOST REFLECTIVE YOU CAN GET.
AND THE MOST ENERGY, UH, IMPROVEMENTS YOU COULD GET WITHIN THE HOME WOULD BE A, A WIDER COLOR ROOF.
UM, AND SO FOR WHERE, UM, SEDONA IS AS A COMMUNITY AND TRYING TO ALSO BALANCE THAT COMPONENT OF AESTHETICS AND BLENDING INTO THE, UH, NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, WHITE ROOFS ARE GONNA STAND OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, SO, UH, THIS, HOPEFULLY THIS WHERE I'M DEFINITELY GONNA ADJUST THIS IN THE FUTURE IF YOU WANT, BUT, SO I PULLED, UH, KIND OF AN EXAMPLE SHEET FROM, UH, A COMPANY ON, ON COLOR SCALES.
UNFORTUNATELY, THIS INITIAL ONE THEY GAVE US, UH, THEY DIDN'T DO IT IN ORDER, UH, OF LIKE SRI, THEY'RE JUST LIKE, HERE'S A COLOR PALETTE.
UM, SO IN GENERAL, OUR, OUR COLORS ARE GONNA, ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED COLORS WELL AND GET US INTO LIKE THE HARTFORD GREENS, THE BROWNS, THIS COLONIAL RED, UH, I THINK THIS GRAY ONE THAT ARE, UH, THAT ARE LIKE SRI SOLAR REFLECTIVE INDEXES THAT ARE BELOW, UM, ESSENTIALLY LIKE BELOW 35.
UH, SO THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT WE'VE SEEN, UH, WITHIN OUR, THE COMMUNITY COLORED PALETTE IS KIND OF WITHIN THE, THE DARKER REDS, THE, UM, WELL THE DARKER GREEN COLORS AND THE LIKE, BUT THE CHANGE WOULD BE RECOMMENDING IS, UH, KIND OF ALLOWING IT TO GET INTO THIS RANGE.
SO, UH, SRI VALUE OF 85, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, REALLY STRONG FOR SOLAR REFLECTIVITY GETS US TO THIS WHITE COLOR.
UM, THE SANDSTONE AND PUTTY COLORS, UM, ARE MID SEVENTIES, SO STILL, UM, FAIRLY, FAIRLY HIGH REFLECTIVITY TO 'EM.
UH, A LITTLE BIT BRIGHTER COLOR PALETTE WILL KIND OF STAND OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE WITHIN THE CURRENT, UH, BUILDING STRUCTURES, UH, THAT WE, WE HAVE SEEN.
UM, AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ESSENTIALLY ALLOW FOR UP TO A MAX OF 65.
UM, AND SO THESE ARE THE SAME COLORS FOR THAT CHART, BUT I PULLED THEM OUT TO TRY TO GO IN A, IN AN ASCENDING SCALE.
UH, ON THE LOW END OF THAT YOU HAVE KIND OF THIS AGED COPPER TERRACOTTAS THAT WE'LL SEE.
UH, AND THEN AS IT TRANSITIONED TO A HIGHER REFLECTIVE COLOR WOULD BE MORE IN THIS METALLIC SILVERS BEIGE, UH, PATINA COPPERS, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S ALSO ON THE OUTSIDE.
LIKE A, ANOTHER SEALANT ON THE PATINA COULD ACTUALLY BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER REFLECTIVITY, BUT IT'S TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THE COLOR SCHEME, UH, FOR THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO IMPROVE ON, UH, THE HEAT TEMPERATURES THAT ARE SEEN ON THOSE HOMES.
UM, DARKER COLOR ROOFS CAN HAVE, UH, HEAT SURFACE TEMPERATURES THAT ARE 30 TO 40 DEGREES HIGHER THAN A LIGHTER COLOR ROOF.
UH, AND SO BY BEING ABLE TO ADJUST THAT A BIT, YOU CAN REDUCE THE ENERGY BURDEN ON THAT HOME.
FIRST, IS THIS RECOMMENDATION ONLY APPLYING TO ROOFS OR TO ALL A A, A GENERIC COLOR CHANGE? FOR US,
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IT, UH, IT HAS A STRONGER, UH, UH, COLOR HIGHER SRI VALUE FOR A FLAT ROOF AND THEN FOR A SLOPED ROOF, UH, THE SRI VALUE WOULD DROP AND THEN THE WALLS, UH, WOULD STILL CONFORM TO THE CURRENT COLOR.IT'S JUST, UH, UH, FLAT ROOFS ARE SLOPED.
AND YOUR NUMBERS HERE, IS THIS TALKING ABOUT ROOFS? YES.
SO THE SRI VALUE, UM, THAT THEY USE IS JUST INDICATIVE OF LIKE THE, THE MAIN COLOR ITSELF.
SO THE, THE FLAT ROOF WOULD BE A MAX OF 65, ACTUALLY.
LET'S, I'LL JUST SEE IF I CAN, THERE.
IT'S, UH, SO A MAX OF 65 FOR A LOW SLOPED ROOF, UH, AND THEN HAVING A MAX OF 39, UH, FOR A STEEP SLOPE ROOF, THAT WOULD BE AS IF YOU'RE LOOKING OUT ACROSS IT.
AND THAT STEEP SLOPE ROOF IS A LITTLE BIT MORE FACING LIKE ANOTHER, UH, HOME THAT, THAT ONE WOULD BE A SLIGHTLY DARKER COLOR, BUT THEN THE FLAT ROOF WOULD, WOULD HAVE A, A HIGHER COLOR.
JUST TWO MORE QUESTIONS ON YOUR CHART.
THE ONE THAT YOU ENDED UP ON HERE.
OH, UH, THIS, YEAH, ON THAT CHART THERE'S A LITTLE VERTICAL LINE JUST TO THE RIGHT OF TERRACOTTA.
IS THAT AN INTENTIONAL VERTICAL LINE THAT MAKES ME THINK THAT THAT'S THE LIMIT OF OUR CURRENT CODE? IS THAT NO, THAT, THAT WAS JUST, THAT WAS JUST CLIPPING, UH,
I, AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S CONFUSING TO TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE SCALE OR THE, THE CHANGE FROM FROM LRV TO SRI AND I'M INTERESTED TO KNOW YOU FOUND THIS CHART, BUT IF I GO TO HOME DEPOT AND PICK OUT A PAINT COLOR, IS IT EASY FOR ME TO FIND SRI OR IS IT EASIER FOR ME TO FIND LRV? I THINK IT'S DI 'CAUSE IT'S LRV NOW, AND I THINK IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A READILY AVAILABLE SCALE TO THE GENERAL PERSON.
AS FAR AS I, MY AWARENESS, UH, I HAVE NOT SEEN A GOOD SPOT ON THOSE PAINT CANS WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING THE LRV AND SRI UH, INFORMATION, UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN THAT ON, THEY VARY IT ON THE, SO IT'S FAIR DEPENDING ON THE PAINT BRAND YOU USE DUN N EDWARDS, INSURER AND WILLIAMS BOTH PROVIDE LRV FOR ALL THEIR PAINT COLORS.
UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DEVICE IN OUR OFFICE THAT WILL TELL US THE, WE CAN SCAN ANY COLOR AND IT'LL TELL US WHAT THE EQUIVALENT SHERWIN WILLIAMS COLOR IS.
SO WE REVIEW PAINT COLORS ON A FAIRLY REGULAR BASIS.
UM, BUT SRI IS THE MORE COMMON MEASUREMENT USED FOR ROOFING MATERIALS.
UM, ROOFING MATERIALS DO NOT PROVIDE LRV.
SO GOING TO AN SRI WOULD ACTUALLY BE HELPFUL.
UM, BECAUSE BASICALLY OTHERWISE WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS TRY, YOU KNOW, TAKE YOUR ROOFING SAMPLE OVER TO ALL THE PAINT CHIPS AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE MATCHES THE BEST.
THE SRI AND LRV ARE CLOSE, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ASSUME THEY'RE THE EXACT SAME.
SO THEY'LL FIND SOMETHING, THEY'LL SAY, OH, THIS HAS AN SRI OF X, AND THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL THAT'S NOT THE LRB, IT'S NOT THE SAME.
SO HAVING A CLEAR DISTINCTION, WE SEE A LOT OF THE SRA NUMBERS FOR ROOFING MATERIALS.
SO I WAS GONNA GO REPEAT, WENT IN TERMS OF PAINT COLORS FOR THE HOUSE ITSELF, YOU KNOW, SO THEY TELL YOU NOT TO WEAR BLACK IN THE SUMMER BECAUSE IT MAKES YOU HOTTER.
BUT WE ALLOW BLACK FOR A COLOR OF HOUSES IN THIS CITY AS WE'RE GETTING HOTTER AND HOTTER BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY, STEVE AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION A WHILE AGO, WE DON'T REALLY DEFINE COLORS LIKE THIS.
WE JUST SAY HAS TO BLEND IN TO THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW BLACK BLENDS IN, BUT IT GETS APPROVED.
SO HOW DO WE ELIMINATE THE COLOR BLACK AS AN EXAMPLE, IF WE CHOSE TO DO THAT? UH, I WOULD, MY, MY FIRST THOUGHT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY PUT A, YOU PUT A MAX IN A MIN AND THE THE MIN WOULD MOVE IT OFF OF BLACK.
UM, SO FOR, UH, FOR THIS ONE, ESSENTIALLY BE LIKE YOU GETTING IT OFF OF A ZERO LRV, LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE MOVING IT.
UM, SO YOU, YOU CAP IT ON BOTH ENDS TO START, SEE IT'S A RANGE.
THAT'S, THAT'D BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
I JUST WANNA CHECK WITH MY COLLEAGUES.
DO YOU ALL FEEL BLACK IS NOT A COLOR? WE WANT TO HAVE CHARCOAL GRAY IS VERY POPULAR THOUGH.
YEAH, WELL YOU ASKING THE ONE PERSON HERE
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WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.SO I THINK WE HAVE, I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER.
I MEAN I THINK THAT A MAXIMUM MIN IS A DIRECTION, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE US OVERALL TO BE THINKING ABOUT SLIDING THE SCALE A LITTLE BIT LIGHTER THAN IT CURRENTLY IS.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK TOO FOR WALLS, ROOFS, FLAT ROOFS, STEEP ROOF, YOU KNOW, AND IT COULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BE MOVING THE CURRENT SCALE TO A MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT DIRECTION.
AND, AND AGAIN WOULD BE IF YOU'RE, UH, YOU DON'T NEED A, DO YOU NEED A PERMIT TO REPAINT THE OUTSIDE OF YOUR HOUSE? YOU DON'T NEED A PERMIT, BUT WE DO REVIEW PAINT COLORS.
IT IS A FREE SERVICE THAT WE OFFER.
WE DO NOT CHARGE YOU FOR THAT.
WE JUST ASK YOU TO COME BY AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A PAINT COLOR THAT WILL BE APPROVED SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPAINT IT.
IT'S VERY SAD WHEN YOU HAVE TO.
SO IT WOULD BE FOR, SO SOMEONE YOU JUST PAID TO HAVE THEIR HOUSE REPAINTED THAT THEY HAVE TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN.
SO IF, UM, YEAH, PEOPLE COME BY AND GET PAINT COLORS APPROVED ON A FAIRLY REGULAR BASIS.
AND, AND THAT PROCESS COULD BE FRIENDLIER, FRIENDLIER SOMEHOW ONLINE.
I MEAN, TO REQUIRE SOMEONE TO COME IN TO CITY HALL, WALK INTO A BUILDING ON MONTH, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN, THEY CAN CALL IF THEY HAVE THE PAINT NUMBER, YOU KNOW, IF THEY SAY I'M PAINTING IT SHERWIN WILLIAMS, THIS COLOR, GREAT.
WE CAN LOOK IT UP PRETTY EASILY AND SAY YES OR NO.
CAN I ASK, YEAH, AS LONG AS WE'RE SORT OF ON THE TOPIC OF HOUSES AND THINGS, UM, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR CODES AROUND DRIVEWAY MATERIALS? BECAUSE THERE'S STILL A LOT OF ASPHALT, UM, THAT PEOPLE ARE USING TO BUILD DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE STEEP.
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT'S HEAT RETENTIVE.
SO DO WE HAVE ANYTHING AROUND AT LEAST COLORING THEM SOME WAY TO MAKE THEM MORE HEAT REFLECTIVE? LIKE YOU'RE TESTING IN UPTIME? JUST WAS WONDERING.
'CAUSE NONE OF THIS EVER TALKS ABOUT THAT, THAT I CAN TELL.
AND YET THAT CAN BE A HUGE EXPANSE OF MATERIAL DEPENDING ON HOW, HOW HIGH A HILL OR HOW LONG THE DRIVEWAY IS.
THE ONLY REQUIREMENT WE HAVE FOR DRIVEWAY MATERIALS IS WE DON'T PERMIT UNCOLORED CONCRETE.
SO YOU HAVE TO PUT SOME COLORING IN YOUR CONCRETE IF YOU'RE GONNA USE CONCRETE.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE'LL GENERALLY ALLOW ANY MATERIAL.
THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR FIRE DISTRICT, DEPENDING ON THE SLOPE OF A DRIVEWAY, WILL REQUIRE CERTAIN MATERIALS.
LIKE ONCE IT GETS TO A CERTAIN SLOPE, YOU HAVE TO DO LIKE A CONCRETE OR AN ASPHALT DRIVEWAY.
YOU CAN'T DO A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY.
BUT FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STANDPOINT, WE JUST, IT JUST SAYS NO UNCOLORED CONCRETE.
YOU CAN STILL DO GRAVEL THOUGH, RIGHT? YES, AS LONG AS ENGINEERING AND FIRE ALLOW IT BASED ON THE SLOPE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
ANTHONY? SO I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH WHAT CARRIE'S SAYING THERE.
THERE'S A STRUCTURAL, UM, CONSIDERATION FOR THAT.
BUT TO THE POINT OF COULD IT BE COLORED, UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT FOR AN APPLICATION TO OUR SHARED USE PATHS WHERE WE MIGHT WANT TO PUT A CHEAPER MATERIAL LIKE ASPHALT VERSUS CONCRETE, BUT THEN WE DON'T WANT IT BLACK.
SO THERE IS A COLOR THAT YOU CAN PUT DOWN AS A, A SEAL COAT THAT WOULD MAKE THAT MORE OF A RED COLOR, UM, A LITTLE MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
SO THERE IS AN OPTION OUT THERE FROM ASPHALT OR CONCRETE.
WELL, TYPICALLY WE WOULD MAKE THE CONCRETE INTEGRAL IN CO IN COLOR, SO HAVE THE ADDITIVE, UM, MIXED INTO THE CONCRETE.
TECHNICALLY YOU COULD STAIN A CONCRETE THOUGH, AS WELL.
SO YOU COULD DO EITHER, BUT YOU, SO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS A THING FOR ASPHALT.
THE REASON WE, WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT AS A COST SAVINGS MEASURE IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS.
SO, UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE MOBILITY CATEGORY.
UH, THERE'S A FEW THINGS THROUGH THIS ONE.
SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF TOPICS THAT'LL HAVE SOME MORE, UM, SIMILAR NUMBER HERE.
BUT, UH, SO WE DO COVER SOME OF THE, THE, THE COOLING, UH, PAVE PAVE COOL ROOFING AND, UH, PAVING HARDSCAPES, UH, A LITTLE BIT IN NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, LARGELY FOR COMMERCIAL, BUT, UM, FOR MOBILITY.
ONE, THE IDEA BEHIND THAT ONE IS JUST SIMPLY BEING ABLE TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF, UH, VEHICLE PARKING REQUIREMENTS IF YOU'RE ABLE TO BRING IN, UH, BICYCLE PARKING TO ENCOURAGE MORE BIKE PARKING ACCESS AND BEING ABLE TO THEN REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF ASPHALT AND THE LENGTH THAT WOULD BE NEEDED
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TO, UH, BUILD THE PARKING LOT.SO, UH, THAT ONE WE THOUGHT WAS A, A, A FAIRLY, FAIRLY GOOD ONE TO, TO BRING FORWARD.
'CAUSE IT CAN REDUCE THE, THE COST OF THOSE PARKING AND THEN ALSO IMPROVE MOBILITY ACCESS AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TRAVERSE BY BIKE.
SIMILAR, UH, NOTION IT FALLS WITHIN MOBILITY TWO OF JUST, UH, BEING ABLE TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING REQUIRED AT A SITE IF THERE ARE SIDEWALK AND BIKE LANE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THAT SITE.
SO IT COULD BE A, A NEW, UH, SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT OR A LARGE COMMERCIAL, UH, PROPERTY.
THAT IS THEN BEING ABLE TO BRING IN SIDEWALK STRUCTURES THAT CAN THEN REDUCE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UH, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE IMPROVING MOBILITY ACCESS, UH, WITHIN THOSE, THOSE PROPERTIES.
UH, MOBILITY THREE WAS, UH, REQUIRING OF PE UH, SHADING AND PEDESTRIAN GATHERING AREAS.
SO IF YOU HAD A, A SUBDIVISION THAT WAS DESIGNED TO HAVE A COMMUNAL GATHERING LOCATION, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A, A SHADE STRUCTURE, UH, INSTALLED AT THOSE LOCATIONS.
SO, UH, THIS WOULDN'T APPLY TO WHAT WE'RE ENVISIONING WOULDN'T APPLY TO LIKE A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
UH, IF YOU WANTED A, A BACK PATIO THAT, UM, THAT DIDN'T HAVE THAT SHADING IN THERE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TARGET THAT ONE.
WE TARGET MORE LIKE TREE CANOPY AROUND IT.
BUT THIS ONE WOULD TARGET MORE OF LIKE LARGE COMMERCIAL, UH, SUBDIVISION PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC FACING PROJECTS TO HAVE SHADING AROUND THAT.
UM, GENERAL COSTS THAT COULD, UH, COULD BE FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE BUILDING A LARGER PERMANENT STRUCTURE, UH, THERE.
AND SO FOR OUR INITIAL PHASE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, WE DIDN'T HIGHLIGHT THAT ONE.
TRYING TO BE MINDFUL OF COST CONSIDERATIONS, UH, FOR STRUCTURE OF THAT NATURE.
UH, MIDBLOCK ACCESS, SORRY, WHAT IMMEDIATELY COMES TO MIND TO ME ON THE SHADE REQUIREMENTS FOR PEDESTRIAN AND GATHERING AREAS IS PUBLIC SPACES LIKE OUR OWN.
YOU KNOW, LIKE IF WE WERE TO DO A, A, UH, POCKET PARK SOMEWHERE LIKE UPTOWN, UM, YOU MIGHT WANNA USE TREES, YOU MIGHT WANNA USE SHADE STRUCTURES.
BUT THERE'S A GEN, LIKE GENERALLY A REQUIREMENT.
AND ALSO WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIFAMILY, IF THEY HAVE AN OPEN SPACE FOR CHILDREN OR THEY HAVE A GATHERING SPACE WITH PICNIC TABLES, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, FOR GRILLS FOR THEIR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THAT THIS SHOULD BE APPLIED THERE AS WELL, EVEN THOUGH THAT THIS ISN'T REALLY LIKE A SUBDIVISION MM-HMM
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS IN MY MIND SHOULDN'T SLIP BETWEEN THE CRACKS HERE.
I THINK WE WERE ALL IN AGREEMENT ABOUT THAT, ESPECIALLY GOVERNMENT SPONSORED.
SO I'LL, I HAVE A SLIDE COMING UP LATER ON THAT AS WELL.
UM, FULLY POINT TAKEN, UH, WITHIN THAT, UH, WE WERE JUST, I WAS JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY LIKE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY, WE WEREN'T TARGETING FOR THAT, BUT DEFINITELY POINT TAKEN.
UH, FOR MIDBLOCK MIDBLOCK PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND LONG BLOCKS OR DEAD ENDS, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THESE.
UH, WE, UH, THERE ARE CERTAIN SPOTS WITHIN TOWN THAT COULD BE BENEFICIAL OF IT.
FOR AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT A MIDBLOCK ACCESS IS, UH, THIS IS A PICTURE OF, UH, DOWNTOWN PRESCOTT.
UM, THE, WHERE I HAVE CIRCLED IS THAT MIDBLOCK ACCESS.
SO THE MAIN INTERSECTIONS, UH OH, WHERE I GO MAIN INTERSECTIONS FOR, OH, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THAT SHOULD BE GIRLY GURLEY AND WHISKEY RAIL, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.
UM, THERE'S, UH, THEY HAVE X THAT ONE HAS A DIAGONAL, UH, CROSSWALK THERE NOW.
UH, BUT THE, THAT WOULD BE LIKE YOUR MAIN INTERSECTION, PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK, AND THEN A LITTLE BIT TO THE SOUTH.
THIS PICTURE, YOU'D HAVE ANOTHER TRADITIONAL INTERSECTION.
THE IDEA OF A MIDBLOCK ACCESS IS THAT FOR THOSE LONG DISTANCES WHERE, UH, ON AVERAGE A PEDESTRIAN GETS ABOUT 300 FEET, UH, IN ONE DIRECTION OR ANOTHER BEFORE THEY'RE LIKE, I NEED TO CROSS OR I WILL JAYWALK.
UM, SO I WAS TRYING TO CUT THAT DOWN.
UH, AND SO THE IDEA IS THAT YOU'RE HALFWAY DOWN THAT BLOCK, YOU HAVE AN ACCESS POINT TO BE ABLE TO CROSS AS A PEDESTRIAN.
I HAVE A VISCERAL REACTION TO THAT ITEM BECAUSE I THINK ABOUT UPTOWN SEDONA AND THE THOUGHT OF ANY MORE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS ON 89 A OR 1 79 GIVES ME HEART PALPITATIONS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT ASPECT TOO, RIGHT? AND I DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING THAT MAKES TRAFFIC WORSE AND ADDING MORE PEDESTRIAN ON DEMAND CROSSINGS RESULT IN MORE SLOWDOWNS.
PETE, KATHY, I, I WOULD IMAGINE ANDY, THAT ADOT HAS A THOUGHT ABOUT MED BLOCK CROSSINGS ON STATE HIGHWAYS
UM, AND ADOT AS WELL IS STARTING TO BECOME A LITTLE MORE HESITANT TO IMPLEMENT THEM.
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I, I THINK THE OFFSET TO THAT.SO THERE'S, THERE'S A PRO AND CON GOING ON THERE.
AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS JUST LIKE WITH UPTOWN, REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CROSSINGS, BUT ALSO GAIN COMPLIANCE AT WHERE YOU WANT THE CROSSINGS TO HAPPEN.
BUT THEN TO YOUR POINT, MAKING SURE THAT THE INTERRUPTION TO TRAFFIC IS NOT HAPPENING IN A INEFFICIENT WAY.
AND THE AUTOMATION AND TIMING OF THAT IS BECOMING MORE OF A TECHNICAL CONSIDERATION NOW VERSUS THE ON DEMAND KIND OF, UM, TYPICAL APPROACH THAT YOU SEE.
SO IT MIGHT NOT BE APPLICABLE TO 1 79 OR 89 A, BUT MAYBE TO DRY CREEK AND JORDAN ROAD AND SOME OTHERS.
I DON'T KNOW ACTUALLY HOW MANY BUSIER ROADS WE WOULD HAVE THAT HAVE A LONG CONNECTION THAT THIS WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
BUT IT'S, I MIGHT ALSO ADD THAT WHEN WE RECENTLY COMPLETED THE DRY CREEK SHARED USE PATH PROJECTS, WE ACTUALLY ADDED A COUPLE OF MID-BLOCK, UH, CROSSINGS THERE.
SO PART OF THE BENEFIT THERE IS GAINING BETTER SAFETY FOR YOUR PEDESTRIANS.
UM, AND AGAIN, TRYING TO MAKE THOSE CROSSINGS HAPPEN ACTUALLY AT A SAFE PLACE.
SO WHERE YOU INVITE THE CROSSING TO HAPPEN, WE'VE ACTUALLY GONE THROUGH ANALYSIS TO SHOW THAT THERE'S PROPER SIGHT DISTANCE AND, UM, WE'VE ALSO PUT IN, UH, SPEED CONTROL MEASURES TO GET THE SPEED OF THE VEHICLES DOWN AT THOSE CROSSINGS AND THINGS.
SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A, A SMART WAY TO DO IT.
AND, AND NOT SO SMART, I THINK IT'S NOT AS EASY A QUESTION AS, AS PEOPLE THINK IT IS, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO INCREASE ANY TRAFFIC CONGESTION.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ISN'T ONE OF OUR GOALS TO BE, TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, PERIOD.
AND I DON'T WANT TO, UH, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIANS, SO I DON'T WANT TO NOT HAVE CROSSINGS THAT ARE CONVENIENT FOR PEDESTRIANS IF WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE PEDESTRIAN USE AND BIKE USE.
UM, SO THESE THINGS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S JUST ONE ANSWER ALL THE TIME TO THIS AND IT, IT, IT'S A BALANCE HERE AND WE HAVE TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS CASE BY CASE ON LOCATION MIGHT BE DIFFERENT.
AND I'LL SAY THAT TWO OF THE PLACES THAT I SEE MOST PEDESTRIANS, JAYWALKING ARE CLOSE TO WHERE THEY COULD ACTUALLY WALK, UH, LIKE COFFEE POT AND THEY WALK ACROSS THE STREET BY HARKENS AND ALL THAT.
THERE'S, THERE'S A LIGHT THERE, THEY CAN JUST WALK DOWN THERE.
I, I THINK THE FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL IS VERY SMART TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DO THIS, THAT WE DO IT IN A SMART WAY THAT'S CONTROLLED AND MEASURED.
YEAH, DEFINITELY POINT WELL TAKEN.
AND THAT, FOR ALL THOSE REASONS FOR THAT INITIAL, UH, PHASE, WE DIDN'T HIGHLIGHT THAT ONE.
WE'RE LIKE, THIS ONE WILL TAKE SOME MORE IRONING OUT MM-HMM
AND DEVELOPMENT, UH, WITH TRANSIT AND SO ON.
SO I, I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THOUGH.
UH, FOR MOBILITY FIVE, UH, THIS WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY ALONG PATHWAYS AND, UH, PEDESTRIAN, UH, ACCESS POINTS WITHIN THOSE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU'D HAVE A TREE CANOPY REQUIREMENT WITHIN THAT, UH, LOCATED ALONG THOSE, THOSE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS FOR THAT SHADING AND ENCOURAGEMENT AND MOBILITY PIECES.
UM, 'CAUSE JUST AS OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOLKS, UH, HAVE THOROUGHLY KNOW THAT, UH, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE, UH, MULTIMODAL, UM, ACCESS ACROSS THE CITY, IF YOU HAVE A VERY LONG SIDEWALK AND THERE IS NO SHADE WHATSOEVER ON THE SIDEWALK, THOSE, UH, PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY LESS INCLINED TO ACTUALLY USE THAT SIDEWALK.
SO THIS, UH, RECOMMENDATION WAS TO HAVE REQUIREMENTS ESSENTIALLY IMPROVE ON CANOPY AND SHADE COVERAGE ON THE SIDEWALK PASS.
ACTUALLY, YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO ASK BE JUST, YOU CAN JUST, THIS IS A WORK SESSION.
SO, UM, I, I JUST, I'VE POINTED THIS OUT BEFORE, SO I'M GONNA JUST POINT THIS OUT AGAIN IN CASE ANYONE HASN'T NOTICED ALONG THE, UH, SHARED USE PATH BY THE LIBRARY THAT GOES WHITE BEAR AND THEN GOES UP DRY CREEK, WE PUT TREES, UM, IN, ALONG THE WALKWAY.
AND, UM, EVENTUALLY THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY NICE FOR ALL THE KIDS AND THE FAMILIES THAT USE THAT TO GET TO THE LIBRARY AND EVEN OVER TO THE CHARTER SCHOOL.
SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS A BRILLIANT THING THAT WE DID, AND I HOPE THAT WE, UM, USING IT AS OUR FIRST EXAMPLE AND NOT JUST AN ABERRATION NO, I'M JUST STARING AT ANDY.
WHAT'S THE WORD DEVELOPMENT MEAN WITH THE A IN THAT CATEGORY? IS IT APPLIED TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, A SINGLE COMMERCIAL BUILDING GOING UP? OR IS DEVELOPMENT A BIGGER WORD THAN JUST A SINGLE? FOR THAT ONE, IT'D BE SIMILAR AS, UH, IT'D BE A SUBDIVISION MULTIFAMILY COMMERCIAL.
IT'D BE AT THAT SCALE FOR THE, FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD
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OF JUST THE RESIDENTIAL SPACE OR LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UH, PROPERTY.YOU HAVE AN A IN THE CATEGORY OF COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, OR ALL.
SO HOW DOES IT APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL? SO THE, THAT WAS PART OF THE, UH, MY, MY ISSUE OF TRYING TO, TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO I CLASSIFY, LIKE, THE SCALE OF THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN ALL.
SO IT'S AN ALL IN SENSE OF LIKE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, A SUBDIVISION, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL VERSUS THE SINGLE FAMILY LOT.
BUT EVEN A SINGLE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, THIS WOULD APPLY TO, YES.
UH, AND THEN FOR MOBILITY SIX, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A, A SIMILAR, UH, COMPONENT OF, UH, FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION ON COMMERCIAL, UH, SITES THAT YOU WOULD HAVE EITHER A COOL ROOFING MATERIAL OR YOU'D HAVE A COOL PAVING MATERIAL ON HARDSCAPES.
UH, THIS ONE IS, WE, IT COULD BE DEVELOPED AS A, AS AN ORE SITUATION BECAUSE ONE OF THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE IN THE WATER, UH, CATEGORY IS ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO PROMOTE PERMEABLE PAVERS, UH, POROUS ASPHALT, THAT IF YOU SEAL IT WITH, UH, UH, A COOL SEALANT, THEN, THEN YOU DETRACT FROM THE ABILITY OF THAT POROUS ASPHALT TO DO ITS JOB.
UH, SO THIS ONE WE VIEWED AS LIKE YOU COULD DO WAR, UH, WITHIN IT.
UH, SO FOR OUR INITIAL RECOMMENDATION OR INITIAL PHASE, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT, UM, FOR THAT CONSIDERATION.
'CAUSE WE LEANED MORE TOWARDS THE, THE WATER, UH, CONSERVATION AND ENERGY COMPONENTS.
BUT YOU, WE COULD, IF COUNCIL'S DIRECTION WAS TO EXPLORE THAT FURTHER, IT COULD BE LIKE AN OR SITUATION THAT YOU EITHER IMPROVE ON HEAT, HEAT RETENTION OF THAT, OR HEAT DISPERSION OF THAT PROPERTY, OR YOU IMPROVE ON THE WATER INFILTRATION OF THAT PROPERTY.
SO, UM, THOSE TERMS IN THE INDUSTRY ARE SELF-EVIDENT TO SELF, I MEAN, THEY'RE DEFINED.
PEOPLE KNOW WHAT COOL ROOFING IS.
PEOPLE KNOW WHAT, UM, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT COOL ROOFING IS, BUT THOSE WHO WOULD BE INSTALLING IT, KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
WE, AND WE WOULD HAVE OUR, OUR GOAL WITH ALL THESE THAT WE WOULD, UH, WORK TO DEVELOP LIKE RESOURCE BOOKLETS TO BE LIKE, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
BUT THE, UM, ROOFING INDUSTRY IS GETTING MUCH MORE FAMILIAR WITH COOL ROOFING AND COOL PAVING TECHNOLOGIES, UH, IN OUR MUNICIPAL PARKING LOT.
FIVE, WE USED A, A COOL PAVEMENT AS A, A PILOT TO SEE HOW EFFECTIVE IT WAS.
AND IT, IT IS QUITE EFFECTIVE.
UM, AND SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO DEFINE THAT BETWEEN WATER EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENTS IN STORM WATER CONTROLS AND HEAT MITIGATION, CAN YOU DO COOL ROOFING ALONG WITH SOLAR? IF YOU HAD A ZONE OF YOUR ROOF THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE SOLAR PANELS ON TOP OF IT, UH, YOU COULD DO THAT.
BUT GENERALLY YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT LIKE APPLIED TO THE SOLAR PANEL ITSELF.
UH, MOBILITY SEVEN, UH, THAT ONE'S FAIRLY CLEAR.
JUST IF YOU HAVE A, A TRANSIT STOP, WE WANT A WEATHER, UH, SHELTER AT THOSE TRANSIT STOPS, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A HOA SUBDIVISION, MULTIFAMILY, UH, PUBLIC PROJECT THAT YOU JUST HAVE SHELTER AT THOSE LOCATIONS.
SO YOU CAN AVOID SOMEBODY STANDING OUT NEXT TO A SIGN ON THE ROAD JUST SITTING IN THE SUN WHEN IT'S 105 OUTSIDE.
UH, MOBILITY EIGHT, UM, VERY SIMILAR TO THE, THE TREE CANOPY, UH, REQUIREMENTS IS JUST THAT FOR, AND, BUT THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR IS FOR SURFACE LOTS, UH, LARGE, UH, MULTIFAMILY CONSTRUCTION.
UH, SIMILAR MENTION I HAD FOR ALL, IT'S LIKE ALL MULTIFAMILY, ALL RE ALL LARGE RESIDENTIAL, ALL LARGER COMMERCIAL THAT THE SURFACE LOTS EITHER HAVE SHADING, UH, AND PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS OR WALKABLE MEDIANS WITH CROSSWALKS TO EFFECTIVELY GET ACROSS THOSE, UH, ENVIRONMENTS AND REDUCE THE, UH, TENSION BETWEEN VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIANS.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT.
UH, MOBILITY NINE IS JUST THAT, GETTING THAT ONE EXTRA STEP FURTHER AND GETTING TO THE SPOT WHERE WE ACTUALLY INSTALL THE LEVEL TWO CHARGERS AT A MULTI-FAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THAT ACCESS THERE IF AND WHEN THAT ELECTRIC VEHICLE, UH, IS A, IS AN OPTION FOR THEM.
AND LET'S SEE, MOBILITY 11, UH, WE FELT LIKE THIS ONE WAS, WAS FAIRLY SIMILAR TO THE TRANSIT STOPS AND SHELTERS THAT, UH, AT, UH, CIVIC SPACES, TRAIL HEADS, SHADED SEATING AREAS THAT, UH, WE IMPROVE ON PUBLIC HYDRATION STATIONS THAT WE HAVE, UH, WASTE DIVERSION, WASTE OR RECYCLING RECEPTACLES.
AND WE HAVE SEA SHADED SEATING AT THOSE LOCATIONS THAT WE'RE BEING ABLE TO COVER, UH, A VARIETY OF BASES THAT IMPROVE ON MOBILITY AND THE, UH, PERSON'S ACCESS TO GET IN AND AROUND THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY HAVE A PLACE TO REHYDRATE, TO HAVE A PLACE TO GET RID OF, UH, THEIR, THEIR WASTE THAT THEY HAVE WITH THEM.
AND SO IT KEEPS THE, IMPROVES THE MOBILITY ACCESS.
I IGNORANT QUESTION HERE, BRYCE, YOU'VE GOT ON THE BOTTOM HIGHLIGHTED ROLLS ROWS, OUR INITIAL IMPLEMENTATION
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RECOMMENDATIONS.IS THE YELLOW THE HIGHLIGHT OR IS THE WHITE THE HIGHLIGHT YELLOW IS THE HIGHLIGHT, YEAH.
SO YOU WANNA DO EIGHT OUT OF THE 11, NOT THREE OUT OF THE 11.
SO AS A WHOLE, THERE'S 22 OR UH, 20, UH, 24 RECOMMENDED FOR INITIAL PHASE AND, AND, UH, FURTHER REVIEW.
COULD I GO BACK TO THE, THE ONE WITH ALL THE YELLOW LINES
I CAN, UH, FOLLOW UP ON THAT BECAUSE I DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED TO MODEL OUR BEHA MODEL, OUR MM-HMM
SO DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC HYDRATION STATIONS? I DON'T, ISN'T THAT A WATER? YEAH.
HAVE THE TRAILS JUST INSTALLED ONE ON THE SHARED USE PATH ON DRY CREEK.
SEE, I NOTICED ANDY RIGHT BY TWO FENCES, THEY WORKING MM-HMM
UH, SO WE HAVE SOME ON THE SURGERY'S PASS AND UH, UH, THERE'S SOME AT, UH, POSSY GROUNDS.
I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE AT SUNSET FOR THE TRAILS THEMSELVES OR TRAIL HEADS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A LOT AT THOSE LOCATIONS.
AND SO HOW, IF ONE WANTED TO TAKE, BLESS YOU, IF ONE WANTED TO TAKE A HIKE AND THAT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THE HIKE, HOW WOULD THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S A, LIKE WHERE THE HYDRATION STATION IS? UM, AT THE MOMENT WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A A I'LL DEFER TO ANDY IS LIKE, SO THE PLAN IS TO EVENTUALLY HAVE IT ON MAPPING ALONG THE TRAILWAY, BUT YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE IT TODAY.
UM, I GUESS WE COULD PUT SOMETHING TEMPORARILY OUT AT LEAST NEAR THE WATER STATION TO POINT PEOPLE TO IT.
BUT EVENTUALLY WE, WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO ANTICIPATE IT AS THEY'RE GOING ALONG THE TRAIL.
MAYBE THAT IS PART OF THE CHOICE THEY MAKE AND WHERE THEY GO.
BECAUSE WE MADE A BIG DEAL OUT OF THE WASTE RECYCLING RECEPTACLES, WHICH I THOUGHT WERE GOOD, WAS REALLY GOOD.
AND I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN ANYTHING, AND I KNOW THERE'S NOT TOO MANY OF THEM, BUT WHEN YOU, I'M SORRY, ARE YOU REFERRING TO LIKE THE BIG BELLY? YEAH.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO WE HAVE, UH, 10, UH, 10 BIG BELLIES.
UH, THERE'S A, A COUPLE IN UPTOWN.
UH, THERE ARE SOME AT POSSE GROUNDS, THERE'S SOME AT SUNSET PARK.
UH, AND SO WE TOOK THOSE 10 AND USED THEM AS KIND OF PROXIES, UM, TO, TO GET WASTE DATA AT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER 10 THAT ARE RECYCLING SPECIFIC, UH, THAT WERE FUNDED BY, UH, AN, UH, A DEQ GRANT.
SO THERE'S 20 BIG BELLIES IN TOTAL.
UM, THE, THESE ONES WERE HIGHLIGHTED AS YELLOW FOR US TO CONTINUE TO, UH, PURSUE.
UM, BUT WE FULLY ANTICIPATE THAT THESE ONES WOULD BE A LONG TERM, UH, CODE IMPLEMENTATION.
UH, 'CAUSE THE THING THAT WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID IS JUST HAVING SOMEBODY SUBMIT A PLAN THAT SAYS, I'M GONNA SEND ALL MY STUFF TO A LANDFILL BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION THAT I HAVE.
THEN THAT DOESN'T GET US ANYWHERE.
UM, SO, UH, WE, UM, WHERE WE BELIEVE WE NEED TO GO WITH THIS ONE IS TO BUILD SOME OPTIONS, UH, FOR WASTE DIVERSION, SO THAT WHEN THEY'RE DOING A RENOVATION, UH, AND THEY'RE PULLING OUT MATERIALS THAT THEY CAN GET IT TO, UH, COMPANIES LIKE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S HABITAT OR FOR HUMANITY, OR THERE'S A COMPANY CALLED, UH, STARDUST IN PHOENIX THAT WILL TAKE THOSE MATERIALS AND REPURPOSE 'EM.
UH, THAT WE START TO BUILD OUT OPTIONS, UH, FOR DEVELOPERS AND CONTRACTS TO UTILIZE.
'CAUSE AT THE MOMENT, IF WE JUST SAID, HAVE A DEMOLITION PLAN, A WASTE DIVERSION DEMOLITION PLAN FOR US, IT WOULD, MOST OF THE TIME IT WOULD BE LIKE, I'LL TAKE SOME OF THE COPPER OUT AND I'LL SALVAGE THAT.
BUT MOST OF THAT'S GONNA END UP IN THE LANDFILL.
SO, UH, WE WANT TO SEE THESE, UH, GAIN SOME MORE TRACTION.
BUT WE WOULD PURSUE THESE AS LIKE A FUTURE YEAR IMPLEMENTATION ONCE WE CAN GET SOME OPTIONS ON THE WASTE INFRASTRUCTURE PIECE TO, TO BUILD OUT THAT.
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WATER ONE IS JUST, UH, REQUIRE AN AVERAGE EFFICIENCY OF 1.8 GALLONS PER MINUTE ACROSS ALL FIXTURES.IN NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, THE MOST FIXTURES ARE, ARE MEETING THIS 1.8, UH, GALLON PER MINUTE REQUIREMENT.
SO WE, UH, BELIEVE THIS ONE'S A FAIRLY, UH, EASY ONE TO IMPLEMENT.
'CAUSE MOST OF THE OPTIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE SEEING AT HOME DEPOT AND LOWE'S ARE KIND OF MATCHING THIS ALREADY.
UH, THERE WAS SOME INITIAL FEEDBACK ON MAYBE THE SHOWER HEADS.
UM, WERE OVER THAT KIND OF 1.8 MARK.
IT'S MAINLY THE TUB SPOUT, UH, THAT IS, UH, OVER 1.8 GALLONS PER MINUTE, UH, WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO FILL.
UH, IT HAS AN EXCEPTION FOR THE TUB SPOUT BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO FILL A TUB AND SO YOU'LL FILL THE TUB FASTER VERSUS PUTTING A 1.8 GPM ON THE TUB SPOUT AND THEN TAKING A LITTLE EXTRA TIME TO, TO FILL UP THAT TUB.
SO THEN THE TUB HAS AN EXCEPTION PLACED FOR IT.
BUT THIS WOULD APPLY TO ALL FIXTURES, UH, WITHIN THAT CONSTRUCTION THAT IT WOULD HAVE THE ON A HOLD, THE ENTIRE, UH, PROJECT WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE 1.8, UH, GPM.
UM, AND WE BELIEVE THAT IS, UH, A FAIRLY, UH, EASY ONE FOR US TO IMPLEMENT.
AND THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT THE MOST OF THE OPTIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE SEEING, UH, WITHIN THE, UH, THE, THE BUYING FIXTURES AND THE LIKE FROM HOME DEPOT AND SO ON.
SO THIS TIME THE A INCLUDES SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THIS WOULD APPLY TO ALL, ALL NEW CONSTRUCTIONS JUST YEP.
MOVING FORWARD THE NEXT TIME, IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY AND A MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DIFFERENTIATOR.
SO WE KNOW I COULD DEFINITELY, I COULD DEFINITELY WORK ON THAT.
UH, FOR WATER TWO, THIS, UH, WAS TRYING TO TARGET NEW CONSTRUCTION AT COMMERCIAL SITES.
THE IDEA WOULD BE TO REQUIRE RAINWATER HARVESTING AND LANDSCAPING ON LARGE COMMERCIAL LOCATIONS, UH, THAT HAVE A LARGER FOOTPRINT.
AND, UH, YOU CAN DO IT FAIRLY COST OF EFFECTIVELY BY HAVING PASSIVE RAINWATER CAPTURE OF JUST GETTING THOSE, UH, RAINWATER, UH, DOWNSPOUTS AND LIKE TO BE DIRECTED TOWARDS LANDSCAPING MORE EFFECTIVELY INSTEAD OF JUST SENDING IT DIRECTLY, UM, DIRECTLY DOWN THE, THE STORM DRAIN.
INSTEAD BEING ABLE DIRECT IT TO LANDSCAPE, OUR RETENTION SWELLS AND SO ON.
BUT WE WOULD TARGET LARGER SITES, UH, THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN ALL, UH, RESIDENTIAL SPACES.
UH, THAT WAS OUR, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE REPORT ALL MEANS WE CAN ADJUST THAT RECOMMENDATION AND CHANGE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WITH IT.
BUT, UH, WE ARE, UH, TRYING TO KEEP IT ON LARGE LOCATIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR, UH, RAINWATER HARVESTING.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE FOR WATER FOUR, UH, WAS GRAYWATER READINESS ALSO TARGETING LARGE SITES, UH, FOR, FOR THOSE RESPECTIVE USES? 'CAUSE IT DOES INCREASE THE RELATIVE COST, UM, FOR THOSE SITES.
UM, AND WE FELT THAT GRAYWATER READINESS, IN PARTICULAR FOR WATER FOUR WAS JUST SIMILAR TO OUR BATTERY READY CONSTRUCTION.
UM, OUR, UH, SOLAR READY PROVISIONS, OUR EV READY PROVISIONS, JUST BEING ABLE TO SET UP THOSE SITES TO, TO BE ABLE TO SWITCH TO GRAYWATER HARVESTING IN THE FUTURE IF AND WHEN NEEDED.
WHERE WOULD THEY HARVEST THE GRAYWATER FROM? SO THE GRAYWATER IS GENERALLY, UH, COMING FROM YOUR, UM, YOUR SINKS AND YOUR SHOWER, UH, FACILITIES.
YOUR, UM, TOILET, TOILET WATER COMING TOILET IS BLACK WATER.
AND THAT WOULD GO DIRECTLY TO YOUR SEPTICS OR MM-HMM.
OR TO, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY.
UM, THAT'S A, WHO DO I FORGOTTEN THE WASHER MACHINE, WOULD YOU REMEMBER? DISHWASHER.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THE DISHWASHER WILL GO TO THE, UH, DRAIN WATER.
YEAH, I THINK THEY GENERALLY ARE.
I FORGOT ON THE DISH OTHER THAN THE WASHING MACHINE THOUGH.
SO CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION ON THE RAINWATER HARVESTING, UM, THIS HAPPENS MAYBE TWICE A YEAR THAT YOU GONNA GET ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY FILL A, UH, A TANK WELL ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY USE FOR IRRIGATION.
SO, SO FOR, WHAT'S YOUR THINKING HERE? SO FOR THE RAINWATER HARVESTING PIECE, IT, IT CAN BE AS LARGE AS LIKE HAVING, UH, CISTERNS AND RAIN BARRELS, UH, TO CAPTURE AND HOLD IT FOR A LONGER, YOU COULD ALSO DO IT TO WHERE A FAIRLY CHEAPER, MUCH CHEAPER WAY OF DOING IT IS ESSENTIALLY PASSIVE RAINWATER HARVESTING.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE SIMPLY JUST DIRECTING THE RAIN THAT WE ACTUALLY DO GET TO GO TO LANDSCAPING MATERIALS.
SO YOU'RE NOT PUTTING LIKE CISTERN AND RAIN BARRELS THERE.
SO IF THERE'S A, A SCALE, UH, THAT, UH, THAT YOU COULD GO FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION, OUR FIRST THOUGHT IS JUST TO GET IT TO WHERE THEY DIRECT IT IN A PASSIVE FASHION TO LANDSCAPE BIO SWELL AREAS TO REDUCE THAT COST BURDEN OF, BUT, AND THAT, WITH THOSE CONSIDERATIONS, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, YOUR, YOUR IMPLICATION HERE IS TO REPLACE IRRIGATION, WHICH USES POTABLE WATER TODAY.
UM, AND I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE GONNA GET ENOUGH RAINWATER, WHETHER YOU
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GATHER IT PASSIVELY OR NOT MM-HMMTO ACTUALLY DO IRRIGATION HERE AND, AND KEEP A MAINTAIN LANDSCAPE.
I MEAN, YOU CAN SAY YOU REQUIRE ZERO LANDSCAPING, RIGHT? BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS SAYS.
SO THE, THE, WHAT WE'RE TARGETING HERE IS NOT TO SAY NO NEW WATER CONSTRUCTION OR NO NEW WATER CONSUMPTION, I SHOULD SAY, BUT TO BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF POTABLE THAT YOU ARE SOURCING FOR THE LANDSCAPING.
UM, AND SO IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE PASSIVE OR RAINWATER HARVESTING, THAT'S SMALL AMOUNT THAT WE DO GET, YOU'RE NOT UTILIZING IT AT ALL.
AND SO THE COMPONENT IS TRYING TO REDUCE OVERALL WATER CONSUMPTION, BUT NOT FULLY ELIMINATE AND HAVE LIKE A NET ZERO WATER, UH, PROPERTY.
SO, ROXANNE, YOU HAD A COMMENT.
I JUST, WE JUST CONFIRMED THAT WASHING MACHINES ARE GRAY WATER DISHWASHERS ARE BLACK WASHERS BECAUSE OF FOOD.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR THESE REQUIREMENTS MM-HMM
BUT WHAT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO RETROFIT, YOU KNOW, THEIR HOME AND USE GRAY WATER? HOW WOULD THEY DO THAT? SO THE COST INCREASE WOULD JUST BE, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER FOR IT BECAUSE, UH, THE NOTION YOU'D HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH AND PUT ADDITIONAL PLUMBING AND RETROFIT EVERYTHING FOR IT.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO PULL OUT THE DRYWALL AND, YEP.
SO, UM, SIMILAR TO THAT, UH, GOING BACK TO THE NU FIRST ONE MM-HMM.
UH, FOR THE AVERAGE EFFICIENCY, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT WE HAVE A LOT MORE EXISTING HOMES THAN WE DO CAPACITY FOR NEW ONES.
UM, SO I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, IF I WANT TO GO IN AND CHANGE A TOILET OUT OR, YOU KNOW, REMODEL A BATHROOM, UM, IT WOULDN'T APPLY TO THAT.
I MEAN, IF IT'S A PER, IF IT REQUIRES A PERMIT, FOR EXAMPLE MM-HMM
SO THE, THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION WAS TO APPLY IT FOR THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION PIECE FOR COUNCIL'S DIRECTION ON WHETHER YOU APPLY IT TO, UH, IF A HOME'S GOING THROUGH A LARGER RENOVATION PROCESS THAT WE THEN TRIGGER THAT IF YOU GO THROUGH A, A RENT A LARGER RENOVATION THAT THESE THEN APPLY TO IT.
UM, YOU CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT AS WELL.
IT IS JUST THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION WAS TO SAY, LET'S START A NEW CONSTRUCTION AS THE, LIKE A FIRST STEP.
SO STEVE MIGHT BE GETTING READY TO SAY THIS TOO, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE THRESHOLDS, UM, IN THE CODE.
IT'S A 50% INCREASE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR SINGLE FAMILY, 25% FOR COMMERCIAL.
IF THEY'RE DOING A MAJOR RENOVATION, WE CAN LOOK AT THE VALUATION OF THE RENOVATION VERSUS THE VALUATION OF THE BUILDING.
BUT FOR OTHER THINGS SUCH AS REPAINTING AND NOW LIGHTING, UM, COUNSEL HAS SET DIFFERENT THRESHOLDS FOR WHERE RE REQUIRE CONFORMANT, UH, COMPLETE A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANCE.
UM, IF THEY'RE NOT MEETING THOSE SQUARE FOOTAGE THRESHOLDS, YOU KNOW, WE NOW SAY A HUNDRED, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE PAINTING A HUNDRED PAINTING YOUR BUILDING, PAINTING AT THE RIGHT COLOR, IF YOU'RE, UM, CHANGING OUT YOUR LIGHTS, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A 50% INCREASE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE BY THE RIGHT LIGHTS.
AND SO WE COULD SET DIFFERENT COMPLIANCE THRESHOLDS IF YOU WANTED TO.
IF I COULD ADD SOMETHING TO THAT.
UM, BRYCE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UM, THESE ARE THINGS, A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE WHAT WE WANT TO DO NOW TO MAKE IT NOT ONLY, UM, LESS COSTLY FOR UTILITIES, BUT MUCH LESS COSTLY.
IF YOU WANNA RETROFIT IN THE FUTURE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE GRAY WATER ON MOST OF OUR EXISTING HOMES, ALL THAT PLUMBING IS WITHIN CONCRETE.
SO IT'S NOT AN EASIER COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO HAVE GRAY WATER SYSTEMS ON AN EXISTING HOME THAT'S A SLAB ON GRADE WITH ALL THE PLUMBING UNDERNEATH.
UM, IF IT WAS A CRAWL SPACE BASEMENT, YEAH.
AND I COULD UNDERSTAND THAT FOR THE GRAY WATER ONE, BUT I MEAN, CAN YOU EVEN BUY A TOILET THAT'S NOT LOW FLOW ANYMORE? I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU CAN.
UM, SO TO REQUIRE IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A BIG STRETCH TO ME.
UH, THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT THIS ONE WAS, IT WASN'T, UH, A HUGE, HUGE CHANGE WHERE THE INDUSTRY WAS GOING.
UM, AND SO WE FELT LIKE JUST MAKING IT STANDARDIZED AND JUST LIKE TRY NOT TO SNEAK PAST A FOUR GALLON PER MINUTE TOILET PAST US FOR LIKE, JUST SAYING LIKE, NO, THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THOUGH.
WELL, WE DO HAVE INCENTIVES FOR THE COST OF YOUR WA OF YOUR WASTEWATER BILL IF YOU HAVE LOVE FLOW MM-HMM
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OKAY.WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE, ROXANNE, AT THIS POINT OF HOMES? IS IT 60%? ABOUT ABOUT 60%, 40.
BRYCE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT WATER SIX.
AND THE OTHER ONE WAY IN THE PREVIOUS ONE, WASTE WASTE TWO IS ALSO ANOTHER PLAN.
AND YOU SAID SOME COMFORTING WORDS FOR ME BEFORE.
MY BIG CONCERN HERE IS THAT WE'RE JUST DOING A MAKE WORK THING AND YOU PUT OUT, YOU NEED TO GIVE US A REPORT, BUT YOU'RE NOT REALLY MAKING ANYONE DO ANYTHING.
SO NOW I HAVE TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO GIMME THE RIGHT WORDS TO DO A CHECKLIST OR A REPORT.
AND YOU HAD SAID ON THE WASTEWATER THING THAT, THAT PUSH IT OUT A LITTLE BIT AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT'S IN THERE.
AND MAYBE THERE'S SCORING IN THE REPORT AND YOU SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT MM-HMM
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT MOVING TOWARDS JUST A PAPER PROJECT REQUIREMENT HERE.
THAT, THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT OUR INTENT IS JUST TO CREATE THIS BURDENSOME, GIVE US A 20 PAGE REPORT ON YOUR SUSTAINABILITY OBJECTIVES, AND WE SIGN OFF AND SAY, YOU'RE GREAT.
THE, UH, OR WE SIGN OFF AND YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT GREAT.
BUT THE PROJECT GETS APPROVED ANYHOW.
UM, WHAT WE, WHAT WE VIEWED FOR THE SUSTAINABILITY CHECKLIST WAS MORE OF LIKE AN INFORMATIONAL PIECE FOR, UH, IN, IN PARTICULAR WHEN THERE IS THIS CODE CHANGE THAT COMES, UH, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WITH IT, IS THAT THEY HAVE AWARENESS OF JUST LIKE, HEY, WE ARE LOOKING FOR THESE THINGS THAT'S NEW FROM WHAT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN EARLIER WITH THAT.
BUT, UM, TRYING TO REDUCE THAT, UH, BURDENS, UH, BURDEN OF ADDITIONAL PAPERWORK AND REVIEW PROCESS.
UH, VERY MUCH TRYING TO BE COGNIZANT OF, OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND TRYING TO ADD ANYTHING NEW TO THE PROCESS.
SO IF, IF WE DID EVERYTHING ON THE LIST AND YOU'RE NOT EVEN, YOU'RE NOT FINISHED WITH THE LIST, WOULD THE CONSTRUCTION BE SOME LEVEL OF LEAD, LIKE BRONZE OR ANYTHING? ONE PAGE.
IT WOULD GET, UH, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY COMPONENTS OF LEAD IN IT.
I CAN, I CAN COME BACK TO YOU WITH IT.
'CAUSE THE WAY THAT WE ARE KIND OF REVIEWING THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A, IT'S A MENU.
UM, SO IF YOU WANNA DO ONE OR THE OTHER, IT'LL CHANGE A LITTLE BIT WHAT THOSE LEAD STANDARDS WOULD WOULD BE OR WHAT, HOW MUCH OF THAT WE COVERED.
BUT I CAN CERTAINLY, UM, COME BACK TO YOU WITH THAT.
I'M NOT ASKING REALLY, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO ACHIEVE LEAD, THEY'RE GONNA RESEARCH IT AND DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS WHOLE MENU IS EQUIVALENT TO SOME LEVEL OF LEAD WHERE THE CITY CAN SAY, WE ARE NOW GONNA REQUIRE A LEAD COPPER LEVEL, BRONZE LEVEL, WHATEVER, UM, FOR ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION.
I MEAN, IS THAT WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THESE? I DON'T KNOW.
OR IS LEAD, YOU KNOW, MUCH FURTHER, MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE THAN THIS LEAD HAS, UH, QUITE A NUMBER OF THINGS ON THE ENERGY, UM, SIDE OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE MORE TOWARDS LIKE NET ZERO, UH, STANDARDS, UM, AS WELL AS BUILDING MATERIALS DRASTICALLY CHANGE OR IMPROVE ON LEAD, UH, ELEMENTS, WHETHER THE FOR SHADING AND WATER EFFICIENCY, SOME OF THIS WOULD BE LEAD.
UH, SO I CAN, UM, I CAN DEFINITELY REVIEW THOSE AND SEE HOW MUCH OVERLAP WE HAVE.
WE GOT TWO, TWO MORE SLIDES AND THEN WE'RE WRAPPING UP.
UH, SO THE NO, YOU'RE DOING GOOD.
UH, SO CLIMATE RE RESILIENCE CATEGORY, UH, THIS ONE YOU'LL SEE A KIND OF VARIETY OF THINGS.
UH, SO THIS ONE FOR RESILIENCE, ONE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR THE MOBILITY AND, AND LIKE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS WE HAD, THE THOUGHT IS THAT FOR ALL CONSTRUCTION, INCLUDING RESIDENTIAL INDIVIDUAL, UM, HAVE A KIND OF NUANCE BETWEEN A RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, IS THAT YOU'D HAVE, UH, AN ESTABLISHED TREE CANOPY OF 20% AT RESIDENTIAL, 10% AT COMMERCIAL.
UM, AND WE WOULD UTILIZE SOME TOOLS THAT WOULD PROJECT THE AVERAGE, UM, TREE CANOPY OF A MATURE TREE, UM, AT A, A RESPECTIVE TIME IN THE FUTURE.
'CAUSE IF YOU'RE PLANNING A SAPLING FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THAT 10% TREE CANOPY.
SO IT'S THAT MATURITY OF WHAT THAT TREE WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, TO, TO COVER THOSE, UH, REQUIREMENTS TO TRY TO TACKLE THAT.
THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT, UM, THAT WE'VE, UH, WE'VE DONE SOME STUDIES AND REPORTING ON THE, UH, RESILIENCE.
TWO IS JUST THAT IF WE'RE GETTING RID OF, UH, ANY TREES ON THE SITE THAT, UH, TREES AND PLANTS AND BUSHES ARE REPLACED WITH NATIVE ADAPTED
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SPECIES, UH, IN REDUCING, UH, INVASIVES OR ORNAMENTALS THAT DON'T REALLY THRIVE OR LIVE HERE ALL THAT EFFECTIVELY.I JUST HAD SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT I DEALT WITH WHEN I MOVED INTO MY HOUSE, AND THERE WAS DEFINITELY SOME OVER PLANTING MM-HMM
RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY HERE FOR NOT JUST A ONE, FOR ONE THING, THAT THERE MAY BE GOOD REASONS WHY YOU TAKE OUT MORE THAN YOU PUT BACK IN.
FIREWISE FIREWISE, IF NOTHING ELSE.
UH, WHAT WE, UH, HAVE KIND OF REVIEWED AND TALKED WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TEAM IS THAT ANY OF OUR, THE TREE RECOMMENDATIONS AND CANOPIES WOULD DE DEFER TO FIREWISE STANDARDS.
AND SO WE WOULDN'T BE TRYING TO SAY, GO PUT A BUNCH OF TREES OR BUSHES IN THOSE, THOSE AREAS IF IT DIRECTLY CONFLICTS WITH THE ABILITY OF THAT PLANT TO LIVE THERE.
AND AS WELL AS THE ABILITY OF THAT PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND FIRE.
SO WE WOULD DEFER TO THOSE ONES.
I GUESS ON THE TREE THING TOO, THERE'S AN IMPACTING VIEW, SHEDS CONSIDERATION TOO, RIGHT? YEP.
LIKE THIS ONE, WE, WE WILL TAKE SOME MORE, UH, REFINEMENT AND NUANCE WITHIN THAT.
RESILIENCE THREE WAS A SIMILAR COMPONENT FOR BICYCLE PARKING, AND IS THAT FOR X NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, WE WOULD REQUIRE, UH, TREE PLANTINGS TO GO IN THERE.
AND THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS ALSO TO NOT HAVE IT TO WHERE YOU COULD SAY, HAVE A, A LARGE PARKING SURFACE, AND THEN YOU COVER YOUR TREE REQUIREMENT BY PUTTING THE CERTAIN NUMBER OF TREES INTO A SMALL SECTION OF THAT PROPERTY AND SAYING LIKE, WE SOLVED IT.
BUT THEN YOU JUST HAVE THIS VERY LARGE ASPHALT PARKING SPACE OR OTHER MATERIALS, BUT THAT, TO TAKE THOSE TREES AND BE ABLE TO DISPERSE THEM WITHIN THE PARKING AREAS.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, ANDY.
SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT PARKING, GENERICALLY ABOUT PARKING FOR, FOR A WHILE.
AND WHEN JT WAS ON COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, HE WAS PUSHING REALLY HARD FOR US TO RECONSIDER OUR WHOLE PHILOSOPHY ABOUT PARKING.
AND, AND, UH, I THINK THAT WAS PRETTY WELL SUPPORTED.
I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME UPS AND DOWNS, BUT IS THAT ON THE LIST, UH, FOR OUR NEW PARKING, UH, ADMINISTRATOR PROGRAM? YEAH, FOR SURE.
SO AS WE LOOK AT THE NEED FOR PARKING, FOR INSTANCE, IN UPTOWN, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, I GUESS THE, THE CAPACITY SIDE.
SO WHAT PARKING SPACES HAVE WE PROVIDED? BUT THEN ON THE DEMAND SIDE, WHERE YOU CAN REDUCE THAT IS THROUGH TRANSIT, MULTIMODAL AND, UM, RIDE SHARE, YOU KNOW, COMMUTING OPPORTUNITIES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO CERTAINLY WE ARE LOOKING AT, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT TODAY, IT, IT'S VERY EFFECTIVE TO BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT YOU ACTUALLY NEED THROUGH OTHER METHODS.
SO IT'S DEFINITELY ON OUR RADAR.
SO CAN I ASK THAT, MAYBE GET TONY TO SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL? YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE TONY SPEAK IF YOU WANT TO, BUT, UM, FROM A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, THIS HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED.
UM, RIGHT, SO WE'VE ADOPTED THE CURRENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN 2018, AND WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AT THAT TIME ABOUT WHAT WE DO WITH OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
AND BASICALLY WE ESSENTIALLY LEFT THEM ALONE, BUT WITH A REC, WITH A REALIZATION THAT, UM, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS SHOULD LIKELY BE A VEHICLE DEMAND REQUIREMENT, THAT WE WOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKING, WE'D BE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO MEET THAT PARKING REQUIREMENT IN WAYS OTHER THAN A NINE BY 18 SPACE ON THE GROUND.
AND SO, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THIS IS RECOMMENDING WITH THE PARKING REDUCTIONS FOR SHARED USE PATHS AND TRANSIT ACCESS AND BICYCLE PARKING IS LIKE, IS THE FIRST STEP OF SOMETHING THAT WAS ALWAYS ANTICIPATED TO COME FROM THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, A BUSINESS MIGHT SAY, WELL, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, YOUR VEHICLE OR YOUR CUSTOMER DEMAND NUMBER IS THIS, AND YOU CAN MEET IT BY PROVIDING A PARKING SPACE OR PROVIDING BICYCLE PARKING OR PROVIDING TRANSIT ACCESS.
AND SO BUILDING THAT OUT I THINK IS, IS THESE PLANS TAKE A GOOD STEP IN THAT DIRECTION.
IS THAT PART OF WHAT YOU SEE THAT YOU'LL BE WORKING ON WITH THE REVISIONS OF THE LDC? YES.
I, I WOULD SAY THAT BACK WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, BIKE AND PARKING, I THINK IT WAS UP TO 10 PARKING SPACES COULD BE REMOVED, MOVED WITHIN A, YOU KNOW, PARKING LOT.
UM, BUT I THOUGHT, WELL, WHAT IF YOU ONLY NEED 10 SPACES BASED ON THE SIZE OF YOUR CAFE OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T, I YOU CAN'T REMOVE ALL PARKING SPACES.
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I WONDERED IF THAT NEEDED TO BE TIERED SOMEHOW OR PERCENTAGE FULLY CONFIDENT THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR CUSTOMERS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO COME ON BIKES.SO YEAH, ANDY IS RAISING HIS HAND.
IT, IT SOUNDS KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH COMPACT SPACES, WHICH IS MORE OF A PERCENTAGE OF A PARKING LOT CAN BE REDUCED WITH COMPACT SPACES, OR A PERCENTAGE OF THE SPACES CAN BE COMPACT, I SHOULD SAY
SO THAT MIGHT BE A PERCENTAGE, A POTENTIAL WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
NUMBER TONY'S GONNA SAY SOMETHING REALLY SMART NOW,
UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND, AND YES, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO LOOK AT, UM, PROJECTING FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES NECESSARY.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT THAT MONITOR PARKING.
WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN FOR A CONSTRUCTION LOAN, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE BANK ACTUALLY ALSO MONITORS THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES.
UM, THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND, UH, AS CARRIE WAS SAYING, YES, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO MONITOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT BUSINESS DEMAND IS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND BUSINESSES WILL COME AND GO OUT OF, OUT OF FACILITIES.
SO WE HAVE TO THINK LONG TERM, UH, FROM THAT REGARDS TOO.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE BENEFIT OF TRYING TO REDUCE YOUR OVERALL PARKING SPACES, UH, TO THE EXTENT YOU CAN.
UM, GOES ON RESILIENCE FORWARD.
UH, SO CLIMATE RESILIENCE FOUR REALLY ONLY APPLIES TO SOME VERY LARGE, UH, SITES.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THESE.
THE NOTION IS THAT FOR THOSE SITES, THAT THEY'D BE ABLE TO MORE EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATE HOW THEY MATCH WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S GOALS AND VISION.
UH, IT IS A BIT OF A PAPERWORK PIECE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T HIGHLIGHTED IT AS, AS LIKE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, THIS ONE AS AN INITIAL FACE TO IT.
JUST 'CAUSE IT ALSO WOULDN'T HAVE, UH, THE, A VERY LARGE IMPACT OUTSIDE OF A, A, A SMALLER, SMALLER SUBSET OF PROJECTS.
FIVE, UH, THIS ONE WOULD, UH, ADVISE FOR RECOMMEND RECOMMENDATION OF WILD LAND URBAN INTERFACE DEVELOPMENTS MUST INCLUDE DEFENSIBLE SPACE, EMERGENCY ACCESS, AND FIRE RESILIENT MATERIALS.
SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO THEN DEFER TO THOSE, THE WIRE WILDLAND, UH, FIRE CODES, UH, AND THE LINK.
AND THEN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, WILL BE COMING HERE, UH, SHORTLY TO, UM, WAS IT TWO WEEKS FROM NOW? ANYWAY, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE HAVE THE, THE PROGRAM, UH, FIREWISE PROGRAM COMPONENTS TO DISCUSS FURTHER, UH, CLIMATE RESILIENCE.
SIX IS THE, UH, NOTION FOR LIKE A NATURAL, UH, RESILIENCE AND BIODIVERSITY PIECE THAT WOULD REQUIRE BIOSWELLS AND NATIVE VEGETATION AROUND NEW OR MODIFIED AND REPAIRED STORM DRAINS.
THE, UM, THINKING BEHIND THAT IS THAT INSTEAD OF SPEEDING THAT WATER UP OFF OF THE LANDSCAPE, SLOW IT DOWN, GIVE IT A PLACE TO, TO INFILTRATE, GIVE IT A GIVE, UH, ASPECT TO, UH, PLANTS AND ANIMALS AND LIKE TO BE ABLE TO THRIVE THERE A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFECTIVELY.
INCREASE BIODIVERSITY IN THOSE AREAS AND SLOW DOWN, UH, THAT WATER FROM GETTING INTO THE STORM DRAINS AND, UH, UM, CAUSING INCREASED FLOODING OR INCREASED SPEED OF WHICH THE, THE STORM WATERS IS TRAVERSING ACROSS OUR LANDSCAPING.
UH, WE CONFIRMED WE CAN DO THIS ONE IF, UH, OUR COUNSEL WAS, UH, INTERESTED IN PURSUING FURTHER.
THIS ONE WAS A, REQUIRE SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO MAINTAIN EVACUATION PLANS AND FIRE PREVENTION AND MITIGATION PLANS.
SO WE FELT THAT THAT ONE, UH, IS A, IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE ON FIRE PREPAREDNESS AND SAFETY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS, UH, A GOOD ONE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.
DID YOU GET LEGAL'S APPROVAL ON THAT? YEAH, I REACHED OUT TO, UH, MONIQUE, UH, UH, WAS IT EARLIER THIS WEEK OR LAST WEEK? UH, BUT WE, WE CHATTED ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPLICABLE IN THEIR ELEMENT.
WOULD IT ALSO HAVE TO APPLY THEN TO LONG TERM RENTAL? IN THE SHORT TERM RENTAL CODE? THERE'S A SPECIFIC CARVE OUT THAT CITIES CAN REGULATE FOR, UH, SAFETY AND HEALTH REASONS, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS UNDER.
UM, BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS ANOTHER CODE LAW THAT SAID YOU GOTTA CAN'T TREAT SHORT TERMS ANY DIFFERENT THAN LONG TERMS. THAT, THAT DOES SOUND FAMILIAR.
WE WOULD, UM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLAN FOR, FOR BOTH BASED ON MY, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH.
BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO COUNCIL WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE IT AS A, A PROPOSED CODE FOR, FOR BOTH.
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AND CLIMATE RESILIENCE.EIGHT, KIND OF A SIMILAR IDEA BEHIND THAT.
ONE IS THAT, UH, FOR VACANT LOTS, UH, THAT THEY WOULD MAINTAIN, UH, FIRE MITIGATION AND, UH, FOR AND AS WELL AS INVASIVE SPECIES MANAGEMENT.
UH, IF WE HAVE HOMES THAT ARE IN RESIDENCES THAT ARE GOING THROUGH FIRE PREPAREDNESS AND, UH, FIREWISE, UH, ELEMENTS THAT IF WE HAVE A VACANT LOT THAT DOESN'T GO THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS, PROCESSOR DOESN'T HAVE SOME FIRE MITIGATION STRATEGIES OR, UM, CODE, UH, PROCESSES IMPLEMENTED 'EM, THEN YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF VACANT AND LOT ACT AS A WEAK LINK, UH, IN THE FIRE PREPAREDNESS OF IT.
AND A HERE WOULD APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL LOTS AS WELL.
ALL, ALL VACANT LOTS FOR THIS ONE.
UH, RESILIENCE NINE, UH, WAS JUST THE HISTORICALLY, UH, PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE RESTROOMS HAVE DECREASED, UH, OVER THE LAST, UH, 50 TO 75 YEARS.
THE IDEA BEHIND IT IS JUST TRYING TO IMPROVE ON, UH, ACCESS FOR, UH, UM, FOR, UH, DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITY GROUPS OR WORKERS THAT, UH, UTILITY WORKERS OR STREET WORKERS THAT DON'T HAVE THIS READILY AVAILABLE PUBLIC RESTROOM FORUM IS TRYING TO TACKLE THAT.
IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED AS THEIR FIRST PHASE TO, TO PURSUE THOUGH.
UH, BUT IT WAS IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL OPTION TO, TO IMPROVE ON RESILIENCY AND ACCESS, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC, UH, RESILIENCE.
10 IS JUST THAT, MAY I ASK IT? WHAT THE RATIONALE OF NOT HAVING THIS, UH, BE A YELLOW COLOR ONE? THE RATIONALE IS TRYING TO BALANCE THE PIECE OF, WE HAVE A NUMBER THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE WITHIN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL SPACES, SAYING LIKE, OKAY, THESE ONES SLIGHTLY EASIER TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND I STILL THINK FOR RESTROOM SPACES, THAT'S A VERY, UM, VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC.
I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONVERSE MORE WITH THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRY ON, UM, AND TO GET A BETTER SENSE OF WHERE THEY THINK THEY COULD HELP HERE.
UH, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY RESTAURANTS OR PLACES, BUSINESSES, SCENE THAT WILL HAVE SIGNS SAYING LIKE, RESTROOMS FOR PAYING CUSTOMERS ONLY.
SO I THINK BEFORE WE JUST CAME OUT AND SAID, DO THIS.
UH, I THINK WE JUST NEED MORE CONVERSATIONS TO SEE WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S IN A DEV IN A, UH, UH, MULTI COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IS NOTHING.
AND THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT MM-HMM
BECAUSE IT'S NOT A STANDALONE.
SO IT JUST IS ONE THAT WE, WE LIKE THE IDEA AND TRY AND IMPROVE, IMPROVE ON THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK WE JUST NEEDED TO FLUSH IT OUT MORE, UM, FURTHER THAN WHERE WE THINK WE COULD GET TO IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO.
UH, RESILIENCE 10 IS JUST THE, TRYING TO IMPROVE ON THE ASPECT OF THAT.
YOU GO BUY A HOME OR YOU'RE LOOKING TO, TO BUY A HOME, UH, THAT YOU JUST WANT A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT THAT HOME HAS FOR, UH, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SOLAR READY.
UH, IT'S EV READINESS OF RESPECTIVE PROPERTY.
DOES IT HAVE BATTERY STORAGE, UH, POTENTIAL TO IT, WHAT'S THE, THE, UH, ELECTRICITY OR THE UTILITY CONSUMPTION KIND OF LOOK LIKE SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE A BETTER PICTURE VERSUS JUST THE MORTGAGE THAT YOU SEE OR THE POTENTIAL MORTGAGE THAT YOU SEE.
YOU ALSO GET A SENSE OF LIKE, DOES THIS HOME COST ME A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH IN UTILITIES? OR IS IT MORE LIKE A 400, $500 A MONTH, UH, UTILITY HOME SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE A BETTER, UH, BETTER SENSE OF WHAT YOU'RE GETTING YOURSELF INTO IS THE INTENT BEHIND, UH, THAT RESILIENCE 10, UH, RECOMMENDATION.
YOU DON'T, REALTORS KIND OF ASK FOR THAT INFORMATION ANYWAY.
IT'S KIND OF A STANDARD FROM MY EXPERIENCE.
IT'S NOT REALLY SHOWN TO THE BUYERS ALL THAT OFTEN UNLESS THE BUYER'S SPECIFICALLY ASKING FOR IT.
MOST OF, UH, OUR FEEDBACK IS THAT THE REALTOR'S SHOWING LIKE THIS REALLY COOL HOME AND THEY WANT TO GET YOU INTO IT, BUT THEY, IF THE HOME'S NOT VERY EFFICIENT, THEY'RE, THEY DON'T OUTRIGHT TELL YOU LIKE, THIS ONE'S TERRIBLE.
WELL, I MEAN, THEY, THE SELLER REALTOR MAY NOT, BUT THE BUYER'S REALTOR SHOULD.
IT WAS JUST TRYING TO, TO GET THAT WHERE IT'S REQUIRED.
ARE WE EVEN, CAN WE EVEN DO THAT? CAN WE REQUIRE REALTORS? IS TO DO SOMETHING? I I THOUGHT THEY WERE, THEY WERE BASICALLY UNDER STATE LAW.
DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY? I DUNNO ACTUALLY, IF THE, IF THE CITY PASSES A REGULATION FOR REALTORS OR ANY PROFESSION THAT IS, UM, MORE STRINGENT AND NOT CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW, WE COULD GET A 1487 COMPLAINT.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO, I WOULD'VE TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT THE STATE LAW REQUIRES AND SEE IF THE STATE LAW AUTHORIZES THE CITY TO PROMULGATE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS ON REALTORS.
BUT THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN TO BE 1487 UNLESS THE LEGISLATION ALLOWS FOR IT.
SO I DEFINITELY HAVE A NOTE TO REVIEW FURTHER, BUT, UM, THOSE ARE OUR THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND.
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ALRIGHT.SO OUR LAST ONE ON THE, THE REPORT SIDE OF THINGS IS JUST, UH, WHAT KIND OF GOT LUMPED INTO WHAT WE REC WE REVIEWED AS LIKE FUTURE PROGRAM CONSIDERATIONS.
WE COVERED A LOT OF, I RECOMMENDED TO PURSUE AS A, A CODE MOD, UM, CODE COMPONENT.
AND THEN THIS WOULD BE HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE IT FOR THOSE THINGS THAT WEREN'T DIRECTLY PUT INTO THE CODE? SO THE PROGRAM ONE IS THAT CLEAN ENERGY EQUIPMENT CONVERSION INCENTIVE, WHETHER NOT SOLAR HEAT PUMPS, UH, ELECTRIC APPLIANCES.
AND SIMILAR THAT WE WOULD HAVE AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM TO KIND OF SPUR THAT ALONG AND TO MOVE, MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
UH, THERE IS, THE PROGRAM NUMBER TWO WAS THE IDEA THAT IF YOU HAD, UM, BUILDINGS THAT WERE SIGNED UP AND WERE GOING THROUGH A DEMAND RESPONSE PROGRAM, AND, UH, WERE IN FULL AGREEMENTS, UH, TO MAINTAIN THOSE PROGRAMS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE BUILDING, UH, BONUSES AND INCENTIVES FOR THEM.
THE DEMAND RESPONSE PROGRAM, ESSENTIALLY WHEN A PS IS, IS FACING A, A HIGH HIGH DEMAND EVENT, OR LIKE PHOENIX IS GETTING CRUSHED BY 120 DEGREE WEATHER, THEY'LL SEND OUT A DEMAND RESPONSE AND THEN, OR A ALERT FOR, UH, PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN DEMAND RESPONSE TO ALTER THE THERMOSTAT RATING RATINGS THEY HAVE AS, UH, ENERGY CONSUMPTION AND A RESILIENCY PIECE.
SO THE IDEA WAS THAT YOU CAN INCENTIVIZE THAT.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UM, MORE DIFFICULT 'CAUSE YOU'D ALSO HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT EVERYBODY'S PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM ROUTINELY.
SO THAT ONE ENDED UP AS A RECOMMENDATION, BUT NOT AS LIKE, HEY, LET'S LIKE PURSUE THIS ONE FURTHER PROGRAM.
THREE, UH, VERY SIMILAR JUST FOR, FOR, UH, BUSINESSES, FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES RESIDENTIAL THAT GO THROUGH AND GET A LEAD CERTIFICATION, GET A SUSTAINABLE BUILDING CERTIFICATION AT SOME POINT THAT YOU HAVE A RECOGNITION INCENTIVE PROGRAM THAT HELPS ENCOURAGE THAT, UH, TO GET MORE FAMILIARITY WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN ULTIMATELY TRY TO, UM, CODIFY THAT LATER.
UM, SO PROGRAM FOUR AS, AS MENTIONED, WOULD BE THAT IF, UH, I THOUGHT GOES TO SAY THE HARKINS PARKING LOT OR SAFEWAY PARKING LOTS AND LIKE THAT IF, UH, THEY PARTICIPATED IN A SOLAR CANOPY PROGRAM, UH, TO INCORPORATE ADDITIONAL RENEWABLES AS WELL AS SHADE, THAT THERE'S AN INCENTIVE THAT CAN HELP THEM MOVE ALONG THERE.
UH, PROGRAM FIVE VERY SIMILAR TO PROGRAM THREE IN ONE IS JUST IF YOU'RE USING THESE MATERIALS THAT ARE MORE SUSTAINABLE, UH, THAT YOU'RE USING ALTERNATIVE METHODS THAT CAN IMPROVE ON OUR WASTE DIVERSION AND RECYCLED, UH, RECYCLABILITY OF THE, THE HOUSES THAT THERE'S, UH, A REBATE PROGRAM THAT INCENTIVIZES, UH, THAT, THAT NOTION, UH, ESSENTIALLY IT'D BE INCENTIVIZING LIKE NET ZERO HOMES OR, OR NET NET ZERO CARBON HOMES, UH, AS WELL.
UH, PROGRAM SIX IS TRYING TO COVER THAT GAP THAT WE MENTIONED IN THE, THE WASTE, UM, WASTE WASTE CATEGORIES IS JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH LIKE WASTE DIVERGENT INNOVATION GRANTS SIMILAR TO, UH, AN EFFORT.
THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF HOSTS, UH, I THINK THAT'S THROUGH THEIR, OH, I'M GONNA FORGET THE NAME, BUT THEY, THEY HAVE, UH, A PROGRAM THAT THEY RUN THROUGH THEIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, TEAM THAT'S LIKE A WAY, UH, ENCOURAGE AS PEOPLE TO SUBMIT, UH, GRANT PROPOSALS TO HOW THEY COULD, I, UH, THEY, THEY WILL DIVI DIVERT WASTE.
AND SO THE IDEA IS TO TRY TO INNOVATE THERE AND PROVIDE INCENTIVES FOR, FOR, UH, PEOPLE TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS IN OUR WASTE INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, PROGRAM SEVEN, UH, BLUEGREEN INFRASTRUCTURE ZONES.
THE IDEA BEHIND THAT ONE WAS ESSENTIALLY THAT WE WOULD, UH, YOU COULD DESIGNATE AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY ALONG RIPARIAN CORRIDORS, UH, THAT YOU COULD SAY, WE WANT THIS TO BE AN EXAMPLE OF A REALLY GOOD RIPARIAN GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, BLUE, UH, WATER INFRASTRUCTURE ZONE.
AND BE ABLE TO HIGHLIGHT, UH, LIKE EXAMPLE PROJECTS WITHIN THAT AND ENCOURAGE DEVELOPERS IN, UH, REDEVELOPMENT TO TACKLE LIKE NET ZERO, UH, NET ZERO WATER, UH, PROJECTS.
SO THE PIECE ON THAT, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF MOVING MECHANICS BEHIND IT.
SO THEN THAT ONE, UH, WE JUST VIEWED AS LIKE, THIS WOULD TAKE US TO A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO FULLY FLESH OUT.
I LIKE THE IDEA, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S A, IT'S A, A HARDER ONE TO GET OFF THE GROUND PROGRAM EIGHT, UH, SIMILAR TO ALL THE OTHER INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, BUT IT'S DOING FOR A NET ZERO WATER, UH, BUILDING.
AND SO THE IDEA IS THAT THEY'D HAVE GRAY WATER AND BLACK WATER HAVE SET UP SYSTEMS THAT ULTIMATELY GET TO WHERE IT GOES.
AND THE NOTION IS THAT IT'S BACK INTO THE GROUNDWATER AND THEN IT CYCLES BACK THROUGH.
SO YOU HAVE A, A NET ZERO WATER BUILDING, UM, FOR THAT.
AND I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT, UH, PROGRAM 10 HERE.
THIS WAS RECEIVED OUTSIDE OF THE SUSTAINABLE INVESTMENT GROUP, UH, WORK THAT WE DID.
UH, BUT WE'VE, UH, HEARD IT COME UP A FEW TIMES AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD TO,
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FOR US TO CONSIDER.UM, IT'S A PHASE OUT OF GAS POWERED LAWN EQUIPMENT.
UH, THE IDEA BEHIND THAT ONE IS, UH, THAT THERE'S, UH, UH, CARBON EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS IMPROVEMENT WITHIN THAT AS WELL AS, UH, NOISE POLLUTION REDUCTIONS.
GAS POWERED LAWN EQUIPMENT ON AVERAGE IS LIKE 90 TO A HUNDRED DECIBELS.
UH, ELECTRIC VERSIONS OF THAT ARE MORE IN LIKE THE 60 TO 70 RANGE.
UM, SO WE'RE CUTTING DOWN ON NOISE POLLUTION WITHIN THAT.
AND IT WAS A, IT WAS, UH, AN IDEA THAT WAS SPURRED BY COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, UH, THAT WE RECEIVED AS WELL AS I BELIEVE COUNCIL HAS, UH, RECEIVED AS WELL.
SO ALL THAT TO SAY, UM, IF COUNSEL'S DIRECTION WAS TO PURSUE THESE FURTHER, UH, WE'D ANTICIPATE THAT BEING MORE OF LIKE A SUSTAINABLE BUILDING PROGRAM, UH, THAT WOULD COME, UH, FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION IN FUTURE YEARS, UH, FOR DEVELOPMENT AND THE LAUNCH OF THAT PROGRAM.
SO IT'S, UM, PETE, REMEMBER WHEN THE, UH, WHEN LISA HAD THAT PROGRAM IN THE CHAMBER, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THAT? DID IT JUST DISAPPEAR? IS IT STILL ONGOING? THE SUSTAINABILITY STUFF? YEAH.
THAT GOT TAKEN UP BY VIVI RIO AND I THINK, I DON'T KNOW THE CURRENT STATUS OF IT.
UH, I'M JUST THINKING THAT WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD PROGRAMS THAT HAVE FLOUNDERED OR THEY WERE, THEY CAME AND THEY'VE GONE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY.
SO A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE PRETTY DRAMATIC.
AND THE MORE THAT WE CAN SPEAK TO COMMUNITIES WHO ARE IMPACTED BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, TO RUN LIKE YOU DID WITH THE DEVELOPERS, FIVE'S PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH.
AND, AND THEN OTHER AREAS WHERE THE COSTS, UH, COULD BE A VERY BIG ISSUE FOR PEOPLE TO REALLY LANDSCAPERS HMM.
SO THAT WE GET ALL THE FEEDBACK BEFORE WE GO TO, YOU KNOW, FLESH 'EM OUT SO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO DISCUSS WITH THEM.
BUT I, I THINK WE NEED TO DO A LOT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
SOME OF THESE THINGS, AND MAYBE EVEN IT'S, MAYBE IT'S EVEN A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION AT SOME POINT, BUT I THINK THAT, THAT, UH, WE WANNA GET SUPPORT AND WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT OVERREACH AND IN DICTATING TO THEM WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.
HOW DO, SO THESE RECOMMENDATIONS FALL WITHIN THE PROGRAM CONSIDERATIONS, BUT THERE'S SOME OF THEM THAT INDIVIDUALLY, YOU KNOW, I, I I THINK WE MIGHT WANNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE ON THE THINGS WHERE, AGAIN, IT'S US, IT'S THE CITY.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M THINKING ABOUT THE THINGS LIKE THE SHADE REQUIREMENTS FOR PEDESTRIAN GATHERING AREAS, 'CAUSE WE HAVE PUT THESE THINGS IN, YET WE HAVE NOT, I MEAN, POOR ANDY, HOW MANY TIMES YOU'VE EVER HEARD ME SAY THIS, I'M SORRY,
UH, BUT WE HAVE NOT PUT IN THESE OTHER BALANCING CHARACTERISTICS AND FACTORS, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE WERE PUTTING IN A CONCRETE PATH THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING SHADE STRUCTURE OVER IT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING, UM, SO THERE WERE SOME THINGS ON HERE THAT I THINK OUR CITY, THINGS THAT WE NEED TO SEPARATE OUT AND, AND PRIORITIZE, AND WE'VE GOTTA, WE'VE GOTTA SET THE BEST EXAMPLE.
SO IS THERE A WAY THAT THOSE CAN BE CONSOLIDATED INTO A SPECIFIC SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS? JUST TAKE A QUICK, WE CAN ACT ON OUR OWN STUFF QUICKER THAN WE CAN ACT ON OTHER STUFF AND WE NEED TO, AND ALSO SAFETY, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THE WILD FIRE OR, OR, OR, UH, OTHER SAFETY PROGRAMS, ESPECIALLY LIKE IF IT, IF, UH, MONIQUE GIVES US THE GO AHEAD OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, UH, PROGRAM TO HAVE AN EVACUATION PLAN.
I'LL, I'LL MOVE TO THIS SLIDE THAT TONY HELPED ME, UH, DEVELOP AS, AS LARGELY I THINK THERE, THERE'S DEFINITELY, THERE'S DEFINITELY PIECES WE CAN CONSOLIDATE AND SAY, HEY, LET'S, LET'S TACKLE SHADE STRUCTURES OR LIKE FIRST OR FOR PUBLIC PROJECTS.
BUT, UM, JUST I FELT LIKE THIS WAS A GOOD REPRESE REPRESENTATION.
THANK YOU, TONY, UH, FOR ALL THE WORK ON THIS, IT'S JUST, UH, THE STANDARD OF LIKE YOUR MINIMAL ACCEPTABLE STANDARD IS, IS THIS WHERE YOU PUT YOUR DEVELOPMENT CODES? LIKE WHAT'S THE, THE BAR THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY TO CROSS? AND THEN ALL OF OUR, OUR ASPIRATIONAL GOALS, UM, ALL OF OUR, UM, GOALS THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
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UM, HOW DO YOU GET FROM THE MINIMUM BAR TO WHERE YOU ULTIMATELY WANT TO GET TO? AND WE COULD COVER THAT THROUGH POTENTIALLY THROUGH DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS, INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, UM, CODE ADJUSTMENTS, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S FINANCIAL HEIGHT, UH, DENSITY, BONUSES AND SO ON, THAT CAN KIND OF THEN PUSH FOLKS TO GET TO THAT GAP OR GET THROUGH THAT GAP.AND THEN THE IDEA IS, IS THAT WHERE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION FEEDBACK FOR OUR PROJECTS, WHICH YOU HAVE, UH, VERY CLEARLY SHARED THAT WITH US FOR SHARED, SHARED USE PATHS FOR SHADE AND, AND THE LIKE, IS THAT IDEALLY WE CONTINUE TO, TO ADVANCE OUR STANDARD WITHIN THE PUBLIC SECTOR PROJECTS.
AND SO WE WANNA BE, I, I DON'T THINK I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN FOR ANY OF OUR PROJECTS.
LIKE WE WANT OUR PROJECTS TO BE THOSE SOLID SHINING EXAMPLES TO BE LIKE MM-HMM
WE WANT TO DO THAT AND THEN BE ABLE TO REFLECT THAT TO OUR COMMUNITY OF LIKE, WE WANT YOU TO IMITATE THIS FOR YOUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND SO ON.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT YOU MOVE THE BAR FOR THE MINIMUM CODES SLOWLY HIGHER UP.
SO WE, UH, BUT SO TO GET TO YOUR YOUR POINT THOUGH, I THINK WE COULD SEPARATE PORTIONS OF THIS OUT AND I COULD CERTAINLY COME BACK.
UM, AFTER OUR CONSULTATION AND COLLABORATION WITH THE TEAMS AND SAY, HEY, LET'S TACKLE THESE VERSUS PUBLIC PROJECTS.
UM, BUT ALSO THOUGH, SPECIFICALLY I WANNA GO BACK TO MOBILITY SEVEN, WHICH IS TRANSIT STOPS TO HAVE WEATHER SHELTERS BECAUSE THAT, WHERE WOULD THAT FALL UNDER, UH, A PROGRAM? BECAUSE IT REMIND ME OF THIS, I BELIEVE, AREN'T THE TRANSIT STOPS WHEN SOMEBODY'S HAVING A DEVELOPMENT THERE AND THERE'S AN ADJACENT ONE, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE, FOR THE STOP IS, AM I MISREMEMBERING THIS? SO, SO IF A NEW DEVELOPMENT WERE TO COME IN AND NEED A NEW STOP, THEN YES, WE WOULD HAVE THAT DEVELOPER RIGHT.
ACCOUNT FOR THAT ADDITIONAL STOP.
I THINK THE MARRIOTT FIT THAT SITUATION, IF I REMEMBER.
YEAH, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE, BUT THE ONES THAT HAVE SOMEBODY'S THING IS TOUCHING SOMETHING DEVICE IS TOUCHING ANOTHER DEVICE.
UM, THE ONES THAT HAVE BUILT TRANSIT STOPS HAVE BEEN ZONE CHANGES AND THE TRANSIT STOPS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED AS PART OF THEIR COMMUNITY BENEFIT PACKAGE.
IF IT'S JUST A STRAIGHT DEVELOPMENT REVIEW WHERE THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR A ZONE CHANGE, THERE WOULD NO, THERE WOULD CURRENTLY NOT BE A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY ADD A, A SHELTER.
SO THAT'S FOR THE NEW, BUT HOW DO WE RETROFIT? BECAUSE IT, I, IT MAKES ME CRAZY WHEN I DRIVE BY AND I SEE PEOPLE SITTING THE ONE LONE LITTLE SHRUB THAT TURNED INTO A SEMI TREE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE FEET AWAY FROM THE STOP AND THEY'RE HUDDLING UNDER IT, SITTING ON THEIR, YOU KNOW, COOLERS.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO SHADE, THERE'S, THERE'S NO BENCH, THERE'S NO ANYTHING.
I MEAN, HOW DO WE RETROFIT THESE TRANSIT STOPS? BECAUSE HOW DO WE EXPECT PEOPLE TO WANT TO TAKE TRANSIT WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, SO WE, YOU'RE MELTING OUT THERE
WE DO HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IN THE PROGRAM, UM, FOR THAT.
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF OUR STAFF BEING ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, THAT PROJECT.
ARE, AND THEY'RE ON 89 A, WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS IT? IT IT IS THE CITY, UM, THROUGH AN IGA WITH THE, WITH THE STATE.
IF YOU HAD A COMMENT RELATIVE TO THAT, GO AHEAD.
JUST ON, ON THAT KIND OF IDEA, UM, IS THAT YOU HAVE THE, THE PIECE WHERE YOU PUT IT IN CODE TO GET IT TO WHERE ALL THE NEW ONES HAPPEN.
AND THEN WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT, AS ANDY MENTIONED, WITHIN OUR CITY BUDGET, THAT THEN STARTS WORKING ON THE RETROFITTING PIECE, UM, TO TRY TO GET BOTH OF THOSE TO MOVE.
SO THAT ONE'S NOT, I I, I GET THAT, BUT THAT PRIORITIZES YEAH.
WE'LL PUT THIS IN FOR NEW AND WHATEVER.
AND I, THERE'S ALREADY SO MANY EXISTING OUT THERE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO EXPEDITE A RETROFIT PROGRAMS. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I, YEAH, I THINK WE'RE, THE CODE WOULD APPLY.
IT WOULD BE LIKE, OKAY, IF YOU'RE DOING IT FOR NEW SITES, COVER HERE FOR THE RETROFIT PIECE, THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S ON US.
WE COULD WORK ON THAT FOR SURE.
AND THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN HAVING TO REDO YOUR PLUMBING.
THAT'S JUST PUTTING
SO, YEAH, THAT, THAT IS WHAT OUR PROJECT IS INTENDING TO DO IS, IS TO ADD, UH, SHELTERS TO STOPS THAT ARE EXISTING BUT DON'T HAVE SHELTERS NOW.
AND WHERE, WHERE IS THAT ON THE PRIORITY LIST? I BELIEVE THAT'S IN FY 27, SO I BELIEVE IT'S COMING UP IN THE NEXT YEAR, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
I'M PRETTY SURE I'M REMEMBERING THAT RIGHT.
I THINK IT WAS A PRIORITY ONE.
I THINK IT, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
UM, THIS IS A QUESTION MORE FOR BARBARA.
UM, I THINK PROVIDING INCENTIVES THAT
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ARE NON-FINANCIAL IS A GOOD WAY TO DO THINGS.BUT, YOU KNOW, MONEY ALSO HELPS.
SO, AND I'M THINKING OF LIKE, WHAT POTS WOULD THAT COME FROM? UM, SINCE WE HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE COST OF PERMITTING AND THE COST OF, YOU KNOW, DIFF COSTS AND, AND ALL THOSE OTHER BURDENS THAT ARE PUT UPON DEVELOPERS, UM, FROM THEIR STANDPOINT.
UM, HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE BRING? I DON'T REMEMBER.
HOW MUCH DO WE BRING IN A YEAR FROM PERMITTING, PERMITTING REVENUE OR DIFF REVENUE? OH GOSH.
OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, I'M SURE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
IT'S NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UM, I CAN LOOK IT UP STERLING HERE.
STERLING'S PROBABLY LIKE, BOOP BOOP.
UM, MONIQUE MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO WHAT WE CAN DO AS FAR AS GIFT CLAUSE, AND I CAN LOOK UP HOW MUCH MONEY WE'VE PUT
I LIVE AT ONE DEPARTMENT'S, WORK TOGETHER,
WELL, THE GIFT CLAUSE REQUIRES A, YOU KNOW, TWO PRONGS.
A A PUBLIC PURPOSE, AND IT HAS TO BE PROPORTIONATE AND IT CANNOT, UM, BE LIKE A SUBSIDY OR, OR, OR A GIFT, BUT DEPENDING ON THE BENEFIT TO THE CITY.
UM, AND IF IT'S AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY, WE COULD LOOK AT IT FURTHER.
I MEAN, IT IS NOT LIKE A BLANKET.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE MORE NUANCED THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, DELVE MORE DEEPLY INTO WHAT IT REQUIRES.
AND WHILE BARBARA IS STILL RESEARCHING, I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON THE QUESTION ON EVACUATION PLANS RELATED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS ONLY.
I REVISITED THE STATUTE THAT ALLOWS, UM, CITIES TO, UH, REGULATE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN NINE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
ONLY ONE OF THOSE NINE CATEGORIES REFERENCES THE UNIFORM APPLICATION.
SO THE CATEGORY THAT REQUIRES THAT IT BE, UH, UH, CONSISTENT TO ALL CATEGORIES, UM, IN THE SAME PROPERTY CLASSIFICATION THAT WOULD BE IF WE WERE ADOPTING AND ENFORCING USE IN ZONING ORDINANCES, INCLUDING THOSE RELATED TO NOISE, PROTECTION OF WELFARE, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, AND OTHER NUISANCE ISSUES.
THERE'S A SEPARATE ONE IN, IN THE LIST OF THE NINE IS THE ONE THAT I HAD REFERENCED WHEN I, UH, CORRESPONDED WITH BRYCE IS TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH AND SAFETY, INCLUDING RULES AND REGULATIONS RELATED TO FIRE AND BUILDING CODES.
SO, SO I THINK THIS CAN BE A SEPARATE ONE.
SIMILAR TO, UH, WE CAN REQUIRE INSURANCE FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO REQUIRE THAT FOR ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
WE CAN REQUIRE, UM, YOU KNOW, PROHIBITING SEX OFFENDERS AND WE CERTAINLY CAN'T REQUIRE THAT FOR, FOR ALL ONE, FOR, SO, SO THIS ONE DOES NOT HAVE THAT, UH, UNIFORM APPLICATION, UM, REFERENCE TO TITLE 42.
SO I THINK THAT WE COULD DO IT JUST FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
BARBARA, SHOULD I KEEP TALKING OR DO YOU HAVE WHAT? YOU KEEP TALKING
UM, I, IT'S A GOOD ANSWER, MONIQUE.
I WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ALL ON WHAT WE GET FOR EACH OF THOSE THINGS BECAUSE JUST TRYING TO HUNT IT DOWN IN A HURRY AND NOT, I'M, I'M JUST SUGGESTING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NEXUS THERE.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT COMPLAINTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF PERMITTING AND SO FORTH.
AND IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO TAKE ONE FROM COLUMN A AND ONE, YOU KNOW, FROM COLUMN B AND, UM, REDUCES YOUR PERMITTING FEE BY 50%, YOU KNOW, PICK A NUMBER, UM, IT COULD BE, THAT COULD BE A GOOD INCENTIVE.
I'D LIKE TO, BRYCE, COULD YOU TURN TO YOUR FUTURE PROGRAM CONSIDERATION SLIDE? SO YEAH, BACK ONE.
FIRST, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT MAPPING THESE PROGRAMS TO THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS FROM THE EARLIER LISTS? BECAUSE IT, I WOULD THINK LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE PROGRAMS, I WOULD THINK THAT ALMOST ALL OF THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS WOULD FIT IN ONE PLACE OR ANOTHER.
AND IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KIND OF SEE THAT.
SO TO CLARIFY, TO, UH, TO TAKE OUR, UH, I'LL SAY, I'LL SAY WATER FOR, YEAH.
CLIMATE RESILIENCE SIX MIGHT BE PROGRAM FIVE, AND IT ALSO MIGHT BE PROGRAM ONE AND GOTCHA.
YOU KNOW, THE WATER ONES MIGHT APPEAR IN ALMOST ALL OF 'EM OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, JUST, IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO SEE THAT MAPPING.
BUT THEN COULD YOU THEN SHIFT TO THAT LAST SLIDE THAT YOU SHOWED, WHICH IS THE, YEAH, SO RELATED TO WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT AND WHAT I SPOKE ABOUT EARLY IN OUR SESSION TODAY ABOUT INCENTIVES AND KIND OF, THIS PROGRAM IS BIG, YEAH.
AND BOLD, AND I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, REALLY QUITE MOTIVATING IN A CERTAIN, IN IN WAYS.
UM, BUT ROLLING IT OUT, I THINK IN BITS AND PIECES WITH A LONG-TERM VIEW RATHER THAN, AND I, I'M NOT ASSUMING THAT YOU ARE SAYING DO IT ALL AT ONCE, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU ARE SAYING THAT, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS CHART,
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I THINK EVEN THE DEVELOPMENT RELATED CODES AND MINIMAL ACCEPTED STANDARDS IS PROBABLY A PHASED APPROACH TOO, OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.AND THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES CAN ROLL IN AND THEY CAN ROLL OUT TOO.
WE CAN DO INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, WHICH I'M REALLY IN FAVOR OF AS WE INTRODUCE A NEW THING LIKE THIS, BUT INCENTIVE PROGRAMS COULD BE TIME BOUND OR NUMBER OF PROJECTS BOUND THAT HAVE A TIME BOMB ON IT.
SO WE'RE NOT ALWAYS HAVING TO DO IT INTO THE FUTURE.
AND WE ARE ESSENTIALLY SAYING, LET'S TRY THIS AND WE'LL GET SOME EXAMPLES GOING AND WE WILL EVALUATE IT AND ENCOURAGE OTHERS THEN IN THE FUTURE THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT, MAYBE IF IT'S WORKING OUT WELL OR IF IT'S NOT WORKING OUT WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SOME REAL FLEXIBILITY IN HERE, BOTH IN TERMS OF TIMING, BUT ALSO IN INCENTIVES.
UH, I DEFINITELY TAKE FULLY, FULLY CONCUR 'CAUSE WHEN, JUST FOR THIS PROGRAM, LESS WHEN YOU'RE SEEING ABOUT SEVEN PROGRAMS AND TRYING TO BE LIKE, OKAY, WITH, WITH CURRENT RESOURCE STAFFING LEVELS AND THE LIKE, EXPECT WE'RE GONNA ROLL OUT ALL SEVEN OF 'EM.
THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE.
UM, SO WE DEFINITELY VIEW BOTH THE CODE SIDE OF THINGS AND THE PROGRAMS AS, UM, BEING ABLE TO PHASE THAT.
UM, 'CAUSE AS CODE CYCLES GO, WE, THE CURRENT PROCESSES EVERY SIX YEARS OR SO, SO THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF WE CAN DO WITHIN THAT SIX YEAR TIMEFRAME BEFORE YOU HAD A FULL BRAND NEW CODE CYCLE TO GET THROUGH.
UM, BUT WE WOULD NOT VIEW THE PROGRAM CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE AS LIKE, DO ALL OF THEM FIRST THING TOMORROW.
WE, UH, WE CAN A HUNDRED PERCENT PRIORITIZE WHICH ONES, UH, WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD, DO WE THINK THAT WE CAN GET THE MOST TRACTION ON.
UH, AND ESPECIALLY WITH COUNCIL'S, UH, DIRECTION OR PRIORITY AREA THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT FIRST.
UM, AS I MENTIONED THIS, WE'RE NOT HOPE, THIS WAS NOT HOPEFUL TO BE LIKE, THIS IS OUR ONLY CONVERSATION ADDED, I'LL, WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING SOLVED TOMORROW, BUT JUST TRYING TO BE ABLE TO GET US TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
AND ALSO ONES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD CALL LOW HANGING FRUIT, LIKE CHANGING THE COLORS OF A HOUSE WHEN YOU'RE REPAINTING IT OR WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING IT SEEMS LIKE AN EASY THING AND NOT EXPENSIVE.
RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PAINT ANYWAY, SO JUST TELLING YOU THE COLORS BE POLITICALLY EXPENSIVE.
MAYBE, I MEAN, WE ALREADY DO HAVE, IT'S NOT INTRODUCING SOMETHING BRAND.
WE ALREADY HAVE RULES AROUND THAT, BUT YES, I HEAR YOU FOUND IT.
UM, LICENSES AND PERMITS, WHICH IS COMBINED LICENSES AND PERMITS IS ABOUT 650,000 AND DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES ARE 370.
SO A MILLION BUCKS, A MILLION DOLLARS, YEAH.
ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS COMBINED.
SO I, I CAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY, UH, COLLABORATE AND, AND LOOK AT TIERING IT AND SEE WHICH ONES WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD FIRST.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO GET TO THE SPOT WITH, WITH JUST LIKE, ARE THESE ONES DECENT ONES FOR US TO, TO PROCEED WITH, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH? SO JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF LAST THINGS TO TOUCH ON HERE JUST TO, TO KIND OF REFERENCE IS JUST THAT IF THE CODES THEMSELVES, IF WE DIDN'T DO THE 24 ENERGY CODES OR NET ZERO CODES, ESSENTIALLY REVIEW INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S FINANCIAL OR UM, DENSITY OR DIFF FEES OR THE, LIKE, WHATEVER THOSE ULTIMATELY COME OUT AS.
WE VIEW THOSE AS ESSENTIAL TO KEEP SOME PROGRESS MOVING WITH IT.
UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, UH, POSTPONED ADOPTION OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS CAN INCREASE THAT FUTURE COSTS OF, UH, RETROFITS OF RESPECTIVE PROJECTS, UH, AND COST OF ADAPTING TO THE COMMUNITY LATER.
UH, I'D ALSO JUST THROW OUT A ASPECT OF JUST TIME, UM, AS WE WENT THROUGH THIS WITH, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND I GOT A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT CODES LOOK LIKE ACROSS THE STATE, NOT JUST HERE, BUT ALSO WE'VE CHATTED WITH, UH, GROUPS, UH, ACROSS THE, THE COUNTRY SINCE THE CODE CYCLES HAVE SUCH A WIDE GAP THAT IF WE, IN GENERAL, IF YOU DON'T KEEP SOME SORT OF PROGRESS OR IMPLEMENTATION ALONG THE WAY, THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN BY THE TIME THOSE 2030 CODES ROLL OUT AND YOU MIGHT STILL BE ON THE 20 EIGHTEENS AND YOU HAVEN'T MADE INCREMENTAL PROGRESSES, THAT 12 YEAR GAP SEEMS EXTREMELY DAUNTING, UH, FOR A COMMUNITY TO OVERCOME THAT.
AND SO YOU CAN GET STUCK WHERE WE'VE SEEN COMMUNITIES THAT ARE STILL ON 2006 AND 2009 CODES AND TRYING TO PROPOSE, HEY, GO TO THE 20 FOURS.
SO I WOULD JUST KIND OF THROW IT OUT THERE AS LIKE A, A WORD OF JUST KIND OF CAUTION TO KEEP KEEP MOVING ON THESE THINGS.
'CAUSE THE TIME IS, IS AN ENEMY OF ALL THE, THE PROJECTS THAT WE TRY TO WORK ON
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AND THE TOPICAL AREAS, THEY, THEY AREN'T GOING AWAY.THE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S COST INCREASES, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S FLOOD AND FIRE HAZARDS AND, AND HEAT WAVES.
UH, THEY, IT'S JUST NOT LIKE IF WE SOLVED AND IMPLEMENTED ALL THESE TOMORROW, WE WOULD STILL HAVE MORE WORK TO DO.
UH, SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, WE BELIEVE, UH, HELP US ADVANCE THESE GOALS, BUT THEY ARE, ARE JUST A STEP TO KEEP US MOVING IN THERE.
UH, I DON'T VIEW WHAT WE HAVE FOR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND WHAT WE'VE, UH, COME FORWARD, FORWARD WITH YOU AS, AS TAKING, LIKE SITTING BACK AND NOT DOING ANYTHING FOR ACTION.
WE, WE DO FEEL THIS HELPS MOVE US FORWARD.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, A DIVERSE APPROACH AND JUST SAYING, ADOPT THE 24 ENERGIES AND CALL IT A DAY.
THAT'S A VERY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, AND SO NEXT STEPS WE WANNA GET ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
UH, WE WANT TO GET ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK JUST ALL AROUND FROM, UH, ALL ANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS, STAKEHOLDERS THAT WANNA PARTICIPATE IN IT.
WE KNOW IT'S A BIG CHANGE FOR US TO CONSIDER.
WE'VE GLADLY COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND TALK MORE, UH, ABOUT WHERE THAT FEEDBACK COMES AND GET ADDITIONAL, UH, DIRECTION, UH, FROM, FROM YOU ALL.
UH, WE WANNA REFINE THAT, UH, THAT CODE CODE LANGUAGE.
'CAUSE EVERYTHING IN THE REPORT IS, IS SUGGESTED CODE LANGUAGE TO KIND OF GET US IDEA WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND, UH, MOST, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT OUR TEAM LOOKED AT IS THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO VIEW SUSTAINABILITY PROJECTS IN GENERAL AS LIKE THEIR OWN DISTINCT CATEGORY THAT YOU HAVE TO OWN, LIKE THEIR OWN BUBBLE OVER HERE.
SO WE VIEW THESE AS DIRECTLY INTERTWINED WITHIN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND BUILDING CODE.
SO OUR GOAL IS TO TAKE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, FIND THEM MORE, BUT INCLUDE THEM WITHIN THE PROCESSES THAT ARE ALREADY UTILIZED WITHIN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT'S NOT A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE, A BUILDING CODE UPDATE, OH, ANOTHER SUSTAINABILITY CODE UPDATE THAT WE JUST INTEGRATE THESE INTO OUR, OUR CURRENT CODE PROCESSES.
BUT WE WANTED TO, TO BRING IT TO YOU ALL TO SAY LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE WORKED ON, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION TO, TO INCORPORATE THOSE INTO THE FUTURE.
AND REALLY MY, AND, UH, MY, MY LAST SLIDE IS HERE IS ESSENTIALLY JUST ANY ADDITIONAL DIRECTION, UH, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD, UM, ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK, THINGS THAT WE COULD COME BACK TO YOU ALL ON, UH, TO DISCUSS.
DEREK, IT'S BEEN QUIET NOW WE WANTS TO SPEAK
UM, I SUSPECT I'M IN THE MINORITY HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, ON OUR OWN PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD ON ALL THIS STUFF, UH, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE PROJECTS, PARTICULARLY HOUSING, I'M IN FAVOR OF EDUCATING PEOPLE ABOUT OPTIONS.
YOU KNOW, HERE'S HOW YOU CAN SAVE MONEY, HERE'S HOW YOU CAN DO THIS, UH, TO THE EXTENT IT'S PERMITTED UNDER THE GIFT CLAUSE, I'M IN FAVOR OF INCENTIVES.
UH, BEYOND THAT, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN FORCING THIS ON ANYBODY.
IT'S EXPENSIVE ENOUGH TO BUILD A HOUSE IN SEDONA.
AND BRYCE, I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'RE DOING AND ALL THAT.
I JUST, WE'VE GOT BUILDING CODES THAT ARE GETTING UPDATED AND THEN ON, YOU KNOW, ADD THIS ON TOP OF IT.
IT JUST GETS MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD IN OUR CITY.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH HOUSING, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T KEEP RAISING THE BAR AND EXPECTING THAT WE'RE EVER GONNA, IF I COULD COUNSELOR, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ABOUT COMMERCIAL THOUGH? NOT JUST HOUSING COMMERCIAL.
I'M A LITTLE LESS, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF COMMERCIAL.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BUILD UP OUR COMMERCIAL.
UM, BUT ON, SO I'M MORE, I'M LESS SYMPATHETIC TO THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THINGS.
IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT I THINK WE JUST PUSH THIS ALL ON THEM AND SAY, HERE YOU GO, DEAL WITH THIS.
UM, BUT I THINK PARTICULARLY ON THE HOUSING SIDE, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY BUILDING THEIR OWN HOUSE, UM, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD BE DICTATING ANY OF THIS.
UM, SOME OF THIS STUFF'S EASY, SOME OF IT'S, YOU KNOW, LOW FLOW TOILET PAINT COLORS.
BUT AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE THAT NEEDS TO BE RECOMMENDATIONS, NOT MANDATES.
CHARLOTTE, UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT MORE OF A STEVE OR A TONY QUESTION, BUT LET ME ASK IT BEFORE I TOTALLY FORGET IT.
UM, JUST WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR THE LDC UH, UPDATE? SORRY.
SO WE ARE HOPING TO START THE CODE CRITIQUE.
WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING A LITTLE BEHIND ON, ON THE TIMELINE FOR THE CODE CRITIQUE.
UM, PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TOOL, UH, DIGITALLY.
UM, SO, UH, SO OUR, OUR HOPE IS THAT THE CODE CRITIQUE CAN START MAYBE END OF JUNE, MORE LIKELY IN JULY.
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THAT'LL BE A TWO MONTH PERIOD.UM, DURING THAT TWO MONTH PERIOD IS WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS TO BE HIRING A CONSULTANT.
UM, AND THEN THERE'LL BE ABOUT A 12 MONTH PERIOD FOR, UM, FOR THE CONSULTANT TOO.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A TOTAL OF ABOUT 14 MONTHS, UH, BEGINNING SOMETIME IN THE BALLPARK OF JULY.
THEN MY OTHER QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AVERAGE CONSTRUCTION COST, UM, I THINK WE'VE BEEN TOLD, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER IT, UH, OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS IN SEDONA.
I TEND TO THINK ABOUT INDIVIDUALS BUILDING HOMES.
THEY'RE GONNA BE HIGHER END HOMES.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TRACTED HOUSING HERE.
SO THIS IDEA OF WHO TO TRY TO, WHO'S REALLY AFFECTED BY THIS, I THINK IF WE CAN DO THINGS FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING TO, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL TO ME,
I MEAN, I JUST DON'T THINK, THEY DON'T WORRY ME.
UM, IF SOMEBODY WAS REALLY TRYING TO BUILD, I DUNNO WHAT A $1,200, A 1200 SQUARE FOOT HOME, UM, ON SOME LOT THAT THEY'D INHERITED FROM THEIR PARENTS OR SOMETHING, I HAD MORE SYMPATHY FOR THEM.
AND I THINK THEY'RE MORE COST BOUND, BUT COST BURDEN, WHATEVER.
BUT I, I DON'T REALLY KNOW FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE HOW MANY HOUSES WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT PER YEAR AND WHAT THE AVERAGE PRICE IS AND HOW MUCH THESE WOULD REALLY AFFECT THE, AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE COST OF THOSE KINDS OF HOMES.
I LIKE THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS, OKAY, SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT MANY HOMES.
THEN WHAT'S REALLY THE IMPACT OF ALL OF THOSE? I MEAN, IF WE SAY WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE ALL THESE THINGS, BUT THERE'S ONLY ONLY A HANDFUL OF HOMES THAT ARE GONNA BE BUILT, THEY'RE GONNA BE AFFECTED BY IT, THEN WHAT'S REALLY THE NET GAIN FROM A SUSTAINABILITY STANDPOINT? AND PLUS, AND, AND I DON'T, AND THE OTHER THING IS I DON'T THINK WE GET TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE PERSON WHO BUILDS THE $2 MILLION HOME OR THE $500,000 HOME OR, YOU KNOW, SUCH A THING EXISTS AND SIT DOWN ANYMORE.
UM, BUT YEAH, I JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO DRAW THOSE DISTINCTIONS.
AND AGAIN, I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAFETY, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, I HAVE NO PROBLEM TELLING PEOPLE, LOOK, YOU GOTTA DO THIS.
UM, BOTH FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY AND FOR THE SAFETY OF YOUR NEIGHBORS, BUT I JUST, THIS RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY TO CODIFY SOME OF THIS STUFF AND SAY, YOU GOTTA DO IT.
YOU GOTTA, YOU KNOW, I, YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, IN, IN MANY WAYS, I'M NOT SURE, I'M ACTUALLY NOT VERY FAR FROM WHERE YOU ARE, BUT, AND THEN YOUR COMMENTS HIT ME AS WELL, BUT IT'S NOT JUST SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, RIGHT? WE'RE TRYING, HAVING A BIG CONVERSATION NOT DONE YET ABOUT MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AND SMALLER SQUARE FOOT STARTER HOMES AS MUCH AS WE CAN GET TO AND MULTIFAMILY STUFF.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S BIGGER THAN JUST WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THOSE ARE COMMERCIAL THOUGH, RIGHT? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE THINK ABOUT THE WORDS AND WHAT THESE PROJECTS MAY OR MAY NOT BE.
I WOULD SUGGEST A A DUPLEX MIGHT NOT BE A COMMERCIAL.
IT'S RIGHT, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS A RESIDENTIAL AND, AND, BUT WE WANT TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE THAT.
SO WHAT I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M, YOU KNOW, MY FEELING AND DIRECTION WOULD BE TO PROCEED AT THE DIRECTION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, I, I ALSO AGREE THAT ESPECIALLY ON CITY PROJECTS, WE SHOULD BE SETTING THE STANDARD AND HOLDING THE OURSELVES TO A HIGH STANDARD AND MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, THERE'S MUCH MORE OUTREACH HERE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AND ENGAGEMENT WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND GET SOME REAL FEEDBACK HERE.
THINKING ABOUT PHASING AND INCENTIVES AND HOW WE KIND OF ROLL THE WHOLE THING OUT.
BUT WHAT'S REALLY MISSING FROM ME HERE YET, AND I'M SURE THAT YOU WERE GONNA GET TO THAT EVENTUALLY IS, IS A REALISTIC COST PICTURE FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SIZES OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TYPES AT THE ENTRY, SMALLER SQUARE FOOT ENTRY LEVEL HOMES AND THE TOTAL COST OF THE ELECTRICAL STUFF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
THIS STUFF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF IT'S A TWO OR A THREE YEAR ROI, I'M GONNA FEEL DIFFERENTLY ABOUT
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IMPOSING A REQUIREMENT.MAYBE PEOPLE JUST HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT YET, BUT WE CAN SHOW THAT THERE'S AN ROI HERE THAT WILL PAY OFF VERY QUICKLY AND WHY NOT DO IT AND BE PROUD OF, UH, MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.
IF IT'S A 30 YEAR ROI, WELL THEN I'M GOING TO BE VERY SKEPTICAL ABOUT ENFORCING PEOPLE TO DO SOMETHING THAT DRIVES THE COST UP WITH NO REAL RETURN.
SO I'M GONNA BE, AND YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD, I WOULD RESERVE THE RIGHT TO WITHDRAW MY SUPPORT WHEN I SEE THOSE KIND OF ROIS THAT JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE AT SOME FUTURE, YOU KNOW? BUT I, I'M ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT SEDONA BEING A PLACE WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO SET A STANDARD ON THIS THING.
IT JUST SHOULDN'T GET IN THE WAY OF THESE OTHER GOALS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY AROUND HOUSING.
YEAH, I, I, I HEAR THE CONFLICT AND OF COURSE IT'S SOMETHING FOR CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
BUT, UM, IS THE DIGGER A PLACE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT AS WELL? BECAUSE IF THERE ARE STANDARDS THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE, BUT THEN IF WE WANT TO MITIGATE THEM BECAUSE OF OTHER BENE IT'S ALL ABOUT COMMUNITY BENEFIT, RIGHT? COMMUNITY BENEFIT OF SUSTAINABILITY, OF, OF, OF, OF CLIMATE CONTROL, YOU KNOW, VERSUS BUILDING HOUSING.
SO WE NEED TO LOOK THIS ALL, WE CAN'T JUST LOOK AT ONE FACET OF THIS, IT'S ALL GOTTA BE COMPREHENSIVE.
SO IF THERE'S ANOTHER BENEFIT THAT COMES, IT CAN MITIGATE SOME OF THAT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THE DIGA AND THINKING ABOUT THESE THINGS OUT THERE INTO THE MIX FOR THIS.
BRYCE, DID YOU, DEREK THEN MELISSA, SOMETHING I THINK BRYCE WANTED TO RESPOND.
WHAT? YEAH, JUST ADD A, A QUICK THING TO, TO ADD, UH, FOR THE CONVERSATION.
SO HOPEFULLY IT IS BENEFICIAL.
SO WHEN, WHEN WE VIEW A LOT OF OUR, THE, THE PROJECTS WITHIN HOUSING AND SUSTAINABILITY AND THE, LIKE, WE, WE TRY TO SOLELY, DISTINCTLY AVOID JUST BEING LIKE, NO NEW CHANGES THAT'LL INCREASE COSTS OF UNSAFE, JUST LIKE QUOTE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
'CAUSE THEN IF YOU'RE SAYING WE PRESERVE THE RIGHT FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO PUSH FOR THE, THE HIGH LEVEL HOUSING OR HIGH LEVEL DEVELOPMENTS OR LIKE, THEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE, UH, IT COULD BE INFERRED THAT FOR LOWER LEVEL HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ASPECTS THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO INCLUDE THE SAME VERY ELEMENTS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO INCORPORATE AS A COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
SO LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING LIKE A THRESHOLD BAR ON WHERE YOU THINK FOLKS WILL ENJOY THE VALUE OR SEE THE VALUE, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S WATER CONSERVATION PARK SPACES, UH, TRANSIT SHUTTLE LOCATIONS.
IF YOU'RE SAYING WE WON'T HAVE TRANSIT LOCATIONS BECAUSE IT INCREASES THE COST OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, WELL THEN YOU'RE THEN CREATING A BARRIER FOR LOW INCOME, UH, RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO PARTAKE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
SO I JUST, IT'S NOT, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO TRY TO JUST COMPLETELY SEPARATE 'EM, IN MY OPINION, TO SAY YOU'RE GONNA SET A BAR FOR A CERTAIN TYPE OF HOUSING TO HAVE AMENITIES THAT YOU WANT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TO HAVE.
UM, MY OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO, TO ADD IS THAT FOR OUR REPORT, TO TRY TO GET TO A LITTLE BIT OF THE COST SIDE OF THINGS THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING, AND WE CAN DEFINITELY, AS WE, UH, REFINE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND COME BACK AND BE ABLE TO KIND OF SHOWCASE WHAT THESE COSTS ARE, WHAT THIS ASSESSMENT, UH, ATTEMPTED TO DO, I'LL JUST CLICK ON SAY ENERGY FOR EXAMPLE, DOES THAT, UM, IF YOU WANT TO PERUSE IT IN YOUR OFF TIME, YOU COULD CLICK ON LIKE ENERGY THREE, IT'LL GO TO THE IMPACT ASSESSMENT.
WHAT WE TRIED TO GIVE IS JUST A QUICK SNAPSHOT OF WHAT THE POTENTIAL BENEFITS WERE AND POTENTIAL COSTS FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN IF YOU ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN DIVING FURTHER AND WHAT THE METHODOLOGY WAS BEHIND IT, MOST OF THEM WILL HAVE, UH, WHAT KIND OF ESTIMATED COSTS WERE FOR, UM, DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.
BUT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET AT LIKE, WELL, HOW DID THEY COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER? EACH ONE OF THESE WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ASSESSMENT PIECE THAT WHEN YOU CLICK ON IT, WE'LL TAKE YOU TO THE PAGE IN THE APPENDIX THAT WILL GO THROUGH THE COST ESTIMATES THAT WERE DEVELOPED FOR EACH RESPECTIVE SECTION, UH, SECTION.
UM, WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IN THIS IS ESSENTIALLY LIKE THE COST AVOIDANCE PIECE.
LIKE, SO IF WE DID A FIREWISE HARDENING CODE, THERE'S A COST INCREASE THERE, BUT IT DOES, IT WON'T COVER WHAT THE, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU LOSE INSURANCE.
LIKE IT JUST COVERS THE UPFRONT COST.
SO THERE'S THAT ELEMENT THAT'S OUT THERE AS WELL.
IT'S JUST, IT'S HARDER TO QUANTIFY AND LIKE, I HOPE THAT WAS HELPFUL.
I JUST WANTED TO, TO ADD THAT.
BUT, AND IT SORT OF MY COMMENT, I SAW THOSE AND I THOUGHT THEY, THEY WEREN'T ALL THERE.
THE HOT WATER HEATERS DIDN'T HAVE COST NUMBERS TO IT AND SO, AND MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN THE ONLY ONE, BUT THERE WASN'T A GOOD TOTALIZED.
SO I CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT ON
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A REALISTIC PROJECT THAT WE EITHER HAVE RECENTLY DONE OR IT'S GETTING IN THE WORKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.OR WE WANT TO HAVE DONE, I MEAN WE CAN A HUNDRED PERCENT WORK ON THAT.
UM, THE, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT IS SINCE WE WERE PRESENTING IT AS A MENU, DIDN'T WANNA SAY LIKE, IF YOU CHLOR ALL OF THESE THINGS, IT'S XX NUMBERS.
WE WANTED BE LIKE TO SAY, WHICH ONES DO WE LIKE? AND THEN BE ABLE TO REFINE THAT AND COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH ESTIMATED UPFRONT COST FOR IT.
DEREK, UH, TO PETE, TO GO BACK TO YOUR COMMENT EARLIER, IF THERE'S SOMETHING WITH A THREE YEAR ROI FOR A HOMEOWNER, THEN I FEEL LIKE YOU COULD COVER THAT ON THE EDUCATION SIDE OF, YOU KNOW, HEY, IF YOU DO X, THIS IS GONNA PAY FOR ITSELF IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
AND I WOULD THINK MOST RESIDENTS OR MOST PEOPLE BUILDING A NEW HOME WOULD WANT TO DO THAT.
UM, 30 YEAR ROI, MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA LIKE, I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE 30 YEARS.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING I I WANTED TO ADD IS YES, I VIEW MULTIFAMILY AS COMMERCIAL, BUT I WOULD LUMP IT IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS A RESIDENTIAL FOR PURPOSES OF THIS.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MORE EXPENSIVE WE MAKE IT FOR A DEVELOPER TO BUILD AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, THE MORE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHARGE FOR RENT.
UM, SO YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD BASICALLY SAY ANYTHING RESIDENTIAL, IT WOULD BE, UH, ADVISORY, UH, EDUCATION OR INCENTIVE.
BUT AGAIN, NOT FORCING IT, JUST TO RESPOND REAL QUICK, I THINK THAT, YEAH, I WOULD AGREE THAT A THREE YEAR ROI COULD BE AN EDUCATION THING, WHICH IS WHY I TALK ABOUT PHASING AND INCENTIVES.
EDUCATION IS PART OF AN INCENTIVE STRUCTURE, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WE'RE DONE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO BE THINKING ABOUT IT AND HAVE TO COMPLY.
SO THAT, THAT'S HOW I THINK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
IF THIS MEETING LASTS ANOTHER FIVE YEARS, I'M GONNA
SO I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, UM, SUPPORT FOR WHAT BRYCE WAS SAYING.
I THINK THIS IS SUPER COMPLICATED.
UM, FOR INSTANCE, IF NOT BEING COST BURDEN IS 30% OF YOUR INCOME PLUS UTILITIES AND RIGHT, THAT'S WHERE THE 30% REALLY COMES IS INCLUDES UTILITIES.
SO AS UTILITIES GO UP AND UP AND UP, THE, IF WE DON'T REQUIRE THAT THE BUILDING OF THESE NEW APARTMENT COMPLEXES OR MISSING MIDDLES OR WHATEVER THEY ARE, MEET THESE STANDARDS, THEY'RE STILL GONNA END UP BEING COST BURDEN BECAUSE UTILITIES ARE GONNA KEEP GOING UP AND UP AND UP AND THERE.
THEREFORE THIS DOESN'T REALLY PENCIL OUT AS BEING AFFORDABLE OVER TIME.
AND SO HOW DO YOU MEASURE THAT, RIGHT? HOW DO YOU SAY, WELL, WHAT'S IT REALLY GONNA COST SOMEONE IN AN APARTMENT THAT HASN'T GOT SOME OF THESE FEATURES OR A TOWN HOME THAT DOESN'T HAVE SOME OF THESE FEATURES OR A STARTER HOME? I MEAN, THE PERSON WHO NEEDS TO HAVE LOW UTILITY COST IS THE GUY IN THE $500,000 HOME, NOT THE GUY IN THE $2 MILLION HOME, RIGHT? SO IT'S THAT TO ME IT'S, IT'S COMPLICATED 'CAUSE IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID, RIGHT? LIKE THE $2 MILLION THEY CAN AFFORD TO PUT ALL THESE THINGS IN, BUT THEY'RE LESS LIKELY TO BE IMPACTED BY THE RISING UTILITY COSTS THAN SOMEBODY WHO'S IN A, A LESS EXPENSIVE HOME IN A STARTER HOME, FOR INSTANCE.
SO I THINK THIS IS SUPER COMPLICATED PROBLEM WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, AND WATER IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT ARIZONA WATER COMPANY COMES AND TELLS US EVERY SINGLE YEAR, RIGHT? WE'RE STILL CONCERNED ABOUT WATER.
SO YOU WANNA BE IN SOMETHING THAT'S VERY WATER EFFICIENT AND YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE BUILDING MISSING MIDDLE TYPE THINGS ARE, THEY'RE GONNA BE THINKING ABOUT, OH, WE'RE GONNA MAKE 'EM LOOK REALLY NICE.
WELL MAYBE PUT A BUNCH OF CACTUS OUT THERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WATER IS IS IMPORTANT.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST, THIS IS A SUPER COMPLICATED THING AND I THINK THIS IS AT THE END OF THE DAY ABOUT POLICY ALMOST MORE THAN MONEY, RIGHT? IT'S ABOUT IS THIS A POLICY WE WANNA STATE? UM, AND THEN WE ARE GONNA ASK PEOPLE TO HELP US FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE TO PENCIL OUT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANNA MAKE IT AFFORDABLE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO LIVE THERE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL HEARING ABOUT AND WE'VE SEEN IT OURSELVES, UTILITY COSTS.
SO AS THEY ADD MORE ELECTRICITY AND LESS, YOU KNOW, GAS IN THEIR NATURAL GAS IN THEIR PRICES ARE GONNA GO UP, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE UTILITY IN ARIZONA IS GOING UP.
SO I JUST THINK THIS IS REALLY COMPLICATED.
I THINK FOR SURE I AGREE WE SHOULD BE DOING THIS OURSELVES.
WE SHOULD BE SETTING, WE SHOULD BE SETTING THE, THE EXAMPLE.
BUT I THINK THE REST OF THIS IS REALLY COMPLICATED AND, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US ALL THIS INFORMATION, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TRY AND MAKE A POLICY DECISION ABOUT THE FUTURE OF SEDONA AND HOW WE WANT THAT FUTURE TO LOOK.
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AGAIN, NOT A LOT OF BUILDING SPACES LEFT, RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT SEDONA GREENFIELD.UM, WE WILL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT AT WHAT PERCENTAGE OF A REMODEL OR, YOU KNOW, ADDING ON DOES THIS COME INTO PLAY? BUT I JUST THINK THIS IS REALLY COMPLICATED.
SO KATHY, I AGREE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL IN CONFLICT WITH ITSELF.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WERE WRING OUR HANDS A FEW WEEKS AGO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LDC DISCUSSION AND OH MY GOSH, MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT LOWERING DIFF FEES, YOU KNOW, SO I AM CONCERNED ABOUT ANYTHING THAT INCREASES THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD ASSUME THAT ANY SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS AUTOMATICALLY A $2 MILLION HOME AND THEREFORE THE INDIVIDUAL WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM, UH, PAYING WHATEVER THE COSTS ARE THAT WE CREATE THROUGH FEES OR, UM, CODE REQUIREMENTS.
SO I, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A BIAS TOWARDS NOT INCREASING COST AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UH, TO COUNCILOR PETE'S COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CREATING REPORTS REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THE WASTE PLAN, UH, AND I'M LOOKING HERE AT THE VISUAL IMPACT STATEMENT, STUFF LIKE THAT IS THE RED FLAGS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR DOWNSTATE TO WAVE AROUND AND GO, LOOK, THE CITIES AND TOWNS ARE CRAZY AND THEY'RE MAKING IT HARD TO GET ANYTHING BUILT, AND WE SHOULD TAKE AWAY LOCAL CONTROL BECAUSE OF THAT.
SO I THINK WE GOTTA BE SENSITIVE TO THAT AS WELL.
UM, IT'S A TON OF WORK HERE, BRYCE.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOUR ENERGIZER BATTERY DIES OUT, BUT YOU ARE A MACHINE, UH, PLOWING THROUGH ALL OF THIS FOR IT'S RENEWABLE ENERGY.
TWO, TWO AND A HALF HOURS AND COUNTING.
SO, UM,
LIKE THERE THERE'S SOME THINGS IT'S LIKE, YEAH, OF COURSE, YES, LET'S DO THAT.
BUT A LOT OF IT, UH, I DON'T KNOW.
AND I WOULD PREFER TO SEE A MUCH MORE STAGGERED APPROACH THAN, YOU KNOW, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE ALL BEING HIGHLIGHTED AND SUGGESTED FOR IMPLEMENTATION RIGHT AWAY.
I SAY EDUCATE AND INCENTIVIZE, THAT'S MY PREFERRED.
BE THE CHANGE YOU WANNA SEE AND RIGHT.
AND BE THE CHANGE YOU WANNA SEE.
TOOK A SONG AND CHANGE THE PAINT COAT,
BUT THIS IS GREAT, THIS IS GREAT WORK.
WE JUST NEED TO GET IT DOWN TO, AS KATHY WAS AND, AND AND OTHER COUNSELORS, I THINK EVERYBODY HAD REALLY EXCELLENT POINTS, UH, COMPREHENSIVELY.
SO WE CAN SEE EACH OF THESE LITTLE DOLLAR SIGNS, TWO $1 SIGN OR $3 SIGNS, YOU ADD 'EM ALL UP AND THEY BECOME $5 SIGNS, YOU KNOW,
SO WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, UH, COLLABORATE MORE, DISCUSS MORE ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW TO THAT WHAT IF WE DID WATER, WHAT THESE ONES LOOK LIKE FOR WATER, IF WE DID THE WHOLE PACKAGE.
AND LIKE, SO WE CAN WORK ON THAT, UH, TO GET A, A BETTER COMPREHENSIVE PICTURE FOR AN AVERAGE AVERAGE, UM, HOME, HOME IN THE LIFE.
I DO WANNA SAY FOR SUCH A COMPLICATED DISCUSSION, THIS INFORMATION WAS EXTREMELY WELL ORGANIZED FOR US.
SO I REALLY WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION THE WAY YOU LAID IT OUT, WHICH ALLOWED US TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD BECAUSE IF IT HAD NOT BEEN AS WELL STRUCTURED, I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD HAVE BEEN THIS, I DON'T KNOW, FOCUSED.
THIS REALLY WAS VERY, VERY WELL DONE.
DO YOU HAVE DIRECTION? I THINK SO.
DID WE ORGANIZE, IS IT AS WELL AS YOU DID? NO.
[3.b. Discussion/possible action regarding ideas for future meetings/agenda items.]
SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING IDEAS FOR FUTURE MEETING, AGENDA ITEMS. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY, WITH THAT[5. ADJOURNMENT]
SAID, MEETING IS ADJOURNED.