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[1. Call to Order and Roll Call.]
THIS MEETING TO ORDER.AND THIS IS THE JUNE 15TH, 2026 COUNCIL COMPENSATION WORK GROUP.
WELL, I KNOW THAT LAURA AND KYLIE HAVE SAID THAT THEY ARE NOT ABLE YEAH.
IF, UM, I GOT EVERYBODY'S NAME CORRECTLY.
BROCK I THOUGHT WAS, I THINK OF LAST NAME AS WELL AS CHAIRMAN FORMAN.
WE'RE CALLING ROLL CALLER DIANA, CO.
[2. Consent Agenda.]
FIRST, UH, AGENDA ITEM IS, UH, APPROVAL OF THE MAY 18TH, 2026 MINUTES.AND GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE.
WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MINUTES AND THEN GOING THROUGH THOSE.
WE ARE, WE'RE DOING MOTIONS TO APPROVE THESE IN THIS GROUP, IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES.
SECOND, YOU CAN HAVE THE FIRST
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THOSE MINUTES, SAY AYE.
AND YOU OPPOSED? THAT IS UNANIMOUS.
AND THEN WE HAVE CALL TO THE PUBLIC LOOKING OUT.
I SEE NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE TO SPEAK TO US TODAY.
MUST THE VERY SMALL PEOPLE, I SURE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY NOT AFTER WHAT I'VE BEEN READING IN THE PAPER.
SOON AS WE START TALKING ABOUT REAL NUMBERS, THERE MAY BE PEOPLE HERE,
ALRIGHT, WE WILL, UH, CLOSE ITEM THREE AND MOVE ON TO THE
[4. Update and discussion on previous review of other studies and examples of compensation forms.]
UPDATE AND DISCUSSION AND ON FIGURES REVIEW OF OTHER STUDIES AND EXAMPLES OF COMPENSATION FORMS. SO, UH, THIS IS THE MEAT OF THE MEETING, SO I DON'T WANNA OVERSTATE WHAT THE ACTUAL AGENDA ITEM IS, BUT IN, UH, THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS WE'VE UPLOADED SOME INFORMATION, OBVIOUSLY TO THE SHARE POINT.IF YOU'RE RUNNING INTO TROUBLE THERE, LET ME KNOW.
UH, I'LL DO MY BEST TO TRY TO DO THAT.
I'VE ALSO TRIED TO DISTRIBUTE, UH, THAT INFORMATION MOST RECENTLY, EVEN THIS MORNING I'VE UPLOADED CITY STATEMENT.
I'LL LET YOU KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT AND KICK OFF THIS CONVERSATION OF WHAT PARK CITY MOST RECENTLY DID, WHICH IS AT LEAST WHEN WE TALK ABOUT METRICS, PROBABLY A PRETTY SIMILAR EXPERIENCE IN SOME WAYS.
UM, AND THEN I THINK SEAN HAS SOME UPDATES TO WHAT HE WAS LOOKING AT, UH, SPECIFICALLY.
SO, KIND OF TURN OVER, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT IN BRIEF, WHAT THE PARK CITY EXAMPLE WAS, AND THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONNECT WITH SEAN.
I, UH, STUMBLED ACROSS THIS, I THINK OVER THE WEEKEND.
ARTICLE WAS PUBLISHED JUNE 12TH ABOUT PARK CITY IS RECEIVING AN 18% BUMP IN THE FALL 27.
BUT THE INTERESTING DETAIL HERE, AND I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO DIG INTO IT, AFTER MORE THAN TWO HOURS OF DISCUSSION, COUNCIL APPROVED THAT 18% COUNCIL BUMP, BUT THEY'RE BACKING OFF OF A SALARY BUMP THAT WAS DUMP MORE THAN DUMP.
SO, PREVIOUS COUNCIL RECENTLY HAD APPROVED A BIG JUMP FOR COUNCIL PAY AND UH, THEY, UH, THEY, THEY RATCHETED THAT WAY DOWN AFTER LOTS OF COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
SO THEY'RE AT 18%, DID YOU SAY? YEAH, SO THEY'RE DOING 18%.
SO COUNCIL MEMBER SALARIES WILL RISE FROM 29,000 TO OVER 34 AND THE MAYOR WILL GO FROM 55 TO 66.
THEN, AS I SAID, THEY RECOMMENDED DOUBLE, AND IF I REMEMBER THE BOTTOM OF THAT ARTICLE, THEY ALSO RECEIVE HEALTH BENEFITS OF YES.
SO, AND WHICH ISN'T DOING THAT.
SO IF, SO IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING TO SEE NUMBERS LIKE THAT.
I WONDER HOW CONTENTIOUS THEY'VE GOT THEN IF THEY, LIKE I ALMOST WANT LIKE CALL SOMEBODY THERE OR SOMETHING.
LIKE, IS JENNIFER WOFF STILL THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE PRESIDENT? I'M LIKE, CALL HER AND BE LIKE, HOW CONTENTIOUS SHE WOULD GIVE YOU THE BACKSTORY, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
I I'VE, I'VE GOT TO KNOW ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS OUT THERE.
SHE VOTED TO, UM, CONTINUE THE, THE NUMBER THAT I DON'T KNOW, I,
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AND I THINK THEY'RE NOT ABOVE SEDONA AND THE COST OFYEAH, IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE, YEAH.
BUT IT IS INTERESTING THAT THEIR AVERAGE AGE IS SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW US AND THEY, AND THEY HAVE STILL A GROWING SCHOOL POPULATION.
CITY IS AN INTERESTING CONTRAST OF HOW DID THEY DO THAT? I THINK THAT YOU JUST GET A LOT OF THESE YOUNGER, WEALTHY FAMILIES WHO ARE RAISING KIDS.
AND THEY'RE CHOOSING PARK CITY AND THE COST OF HOUSING.
IT'S LIKE, I THINK WE'RE WHAT AVERAGE PRICE OF JUST OVER A MILLION AND I THINK THEY'RE JUST OVER TWO.
SO I WAS THERE LAST YEAR ABOUT THIS TIME LAST YEAR, TO GO MOUNTAIN BIKE RIDING AND MET A LOCAL COUNCIL MEMBER AND HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH LOTS OF LOCALS.
IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING THAT THE, THAT WAS RIGHT AFTER OR GETTING READY FOR THE, UH, FILM FESTIVAL TO COME FOR THE LAST TIME.
AND THE LOCAL SENTIMENT ABOUT THAT WAS, WE DON'T WANT THEM HERE ANYMORE.
AND I MEAN, JUST THERE WAS A, OH, VERY SIMILAR DISSATISFACTION VIBE THAT I GOT FROM, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS VERSUS THE TOO MANY.
ALRIGHT, RUSS, ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WANTED TO? NO, SO I, HE SEAN'S POINTING OUT THAT HE HAD A PROBLEM EVEN GETTING IN NOW AND I THINK HE HAS NOT IN THE PAST.
SO ANY RATE, I'M GONNA TRY TO RESET THAT WHILE WE'RE HERE.
SO AGAIN, HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE, SO IT'LL HAVE MINUTES, IT'LL HAVE ANY OF THE ARTICLES.
THAT WAY YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO KEEP TRACK OF, UM, ANY OF THE STUFF IN THE EMAILS.
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO THAT AND BE ABLE TO PULL UP ANYTHING.
IT'S GONNA BECOME MORE CRITICAL BECAUSE I HOPE THAT AT SOME POINT IN A DRAFT FORM THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GO INTO THERE, PULL UP A DRAFT IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR EDITS.
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT.
AS MUCH AS RIGHT NOW IT'S AN INFORMATION SHARING, MY HOPE IS, IS THAT IT WOULD CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SHARE A DOCUMENT TO EDIT IN ALMOST A LIVE WAY, UH, FOR FUTURE REFERENCE.
WITH NO FURTHER ADO, I WOULD JUST THEN TURN OVER SEAN TO KIND OF UPDATE US ON WHAT HE'S SEEN AND WHAT HE'S FOUND AND WHAT HE NEEDS.
SO I WENT THROUGH AND I KIND OF REFORMATTED A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND ONE OF THE, SO THE THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT TRYING TO BREAK OUT FROM GET US AWAY FROM POPULATION, WE TALKED LAST TIME ABOUT HOW POPULATION WAS PROBLEMATIC JUST AS A DOLE AND BECAME WHAT CELL IT SHOULD BE.
AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO CHASE DOWN AND I ENDED UP COMING UP WITH, UM, A DIFFERENT COUPLE OF DIFFERENT VIEWS.
ONE OF WHICH IS A WORK IN PROGRESS THAT, UM, I'LL GET TO SLOWLY AND OR IF SOMEBODY ELSE CAN HELP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT WHEN THAT'S THE OPERATING BUDGET.
SO, UM, WE'LL TALK ABOUT OPERATING BUDGET, WE'LL TALK ABOUT
AND WE'LL SEE SOME INTERESTING ASPECTS OF HOW OTHER CITIES COMPARE TO SEDONA.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH TAXES WE'RE COLLECTED, WE WERE TO DOWN, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF TAXES.
I'LL GO THROUGH THAT HERE IN A SECOND.
AND THEN, UM, FROM TAXES AND THEN BACK TO, DOES THAT HAVE A WEIGHT? I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD GET.
SO, AND WHILE WE COMPARE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE SIMILAR TAX RATINGS, UM, RATES, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE, THE PEOPLE ARE BEING, UM, PAID FOR.
COUNCIL MAYOR, DID YOU GET ANY FEEDBACK FROM TWO C? UM, I DID.
UM, I WAS ABLE TO GET THE CENSUS DATA DONE DOWNLOADED, SO WE'RE NOT RELYING ON WHAT THE NUMBERS RED ROCK NEWS CAME UP WITH.
RED ROCK NEWS DATA IS STILL THERE AND DIFFER SLIGHTLY.
WE WANT A SENSE IT SA
UM, AND THEN WE KIND OF JUST, WE TALKED LAST TIME ABOUT WHAT THE COUNTY, UM, HAS GOING ON.
SO WE LOOK AT EARNINGS ACROSS THE US POVERTY LINE, US AVERAGE ARIZONA AVERAGE COUNTY, THAT WILL APPLY COVINO AVERAGES.
AND SO WE HAVE THAT AVAILABLE, WE CAN KIND OF GO BACK AND LOOK AT.
AND THEN JUST AS A REMINDER, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT MAYBE TYING, UH, COMPENSATION TO A NONPOLITICAL, UH, TITLE AND WHICH SHOULD BE THE MAGISTRATE WOULD BE SOME WAY, MAYBE YOU COULD PEG THAT FOR INFLATION.
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SO WE'LL LOOK AT TPT HERE IN A SECOND.'CAUSE I THINK IT'S THE MOST INTERESTING.
I, I MET WITH THE, UM, AND HOW SPREADSHEET, UM, AND I THINK IT CREATES A FAIRLY COMPELLING STORY, BUT WE MIGHT NOT DECIDE THAT IT'S THE SOLE THING THAT WE LOOK AT.
AND SO WE KIND OF HAVE THIS, UH, CAPABILITY TO, UH, GO THROUGH DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHIES.
SO WE HAVE BASED ON THE BUDGET, CAPITAL BUDGET AMOUNT, OR BASED ON OPERATING BUDGET AMOUNT.
UM, AND WE SAID CAPITAL BUDGET IS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE THE GOES UP AND DOWN ALL THE TIME.
BUT OPERATING BUDGET AND THE, UM, UH, SO CAPITAL PROJECTS, WE SAID NO BLENDED PHILOSOPHIES WOULD BE LOOKING AT POPULATION OF BUDGET AND TPT AND INCOME TAX.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN SLICE AND DICE DIFFERENT WAYS AND COME UP WITH SOME THINGS.
SO I HAVE, UM, THIS SITTING OUT HERE THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DECIDE IF WE WANT TO GIVE A WEIGHT, WELL 80% SHOULD WE GO SOME TPT AND MAYBE 20% IS ON POPULATION OR INCOME TAX OR WHATEVER.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE KIND OF ADVANCE S THAT WE COULD DO AS WE PROCEED, IF WE JUST LOOK AT TPC FIRST AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF START HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF DEEP DIVE WE WANT TO DO IN THE OPERATING BUDGET.
WELL, I THINK THAT'D BE VALUABLE TO, TO FILL IN.
I'VE GOTTEN A COUPLE OF CITIES, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE CITIES IN ARIZONA, UM, THE, UH, THE BUDGET'S NOT LIKE EASILY OBTAINABLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO A DATABASE, BUT LIKE IT'S, GO TO THE WEBSITE, FIND THE EIGHT DIFFERENT CLICKS TO GET TO THEIR BUDGET, READ THE PDF.
IT'S NOT FORMATTED THE SAME AS ALL OVER CITIES.
SO YOU'RE READING PAGES AND PAGES TRYING TO COME UP.
SO I, I DID A FEW OF 'EM AND LIKE WE, I, I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO GO DEEP DIVE ON THE CITIES THAT WE THINK ARE COMPS.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT DPT OR OTHER FACTORS AND WE IDENTIFY CITIES AND WE KNOW WE WANT TO CONSIDER AS COMPS, THEN WE CAN FILL OUT THIS BUDGET NUMBER AND, AND FOR EACH OF THESE AND KIND OF FIGURE OUT AND WHAT IS THE COMPS, SALLY? SO LOOKING AT TPT THEN, SO TPT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING.
SO IF WE GO UP TO THE TOP HERE, UH, WE HAVE A, A SUMMATION HERE.
WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE COMPARABLES, THE SEDONA, YOU HAVE A MAYOR, AN AVERAGE AT 16,000 IN COUNSELOR, 10,000, UH, YOU HAVE A MEDIAN OF 12 OR NINE, AND THEN HERE THE 25TH PERCENTILE IS 75TH.
SO IF WE SAY THAT WE'RE EXCEPTIONAL AND WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER THE 25TH PERCENTILE, PPTI THINK SUPPORTS A NUMBER OF P 18,000 AND 12,000.
UM, AGAIN, I WOULDN'T, I WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE IN ADDITION TO DPT, LIKE BUDGET OR WHATEVER, BUT, UM, THAT WOULD, THIS WOULD TO ME BE A FOUR KIND OF AMOUNT.
UM, IF WE SAY 20% SHOULD BE IN THE 25TH PERCENTILE.
SO LET'S LOOK AT THAT BAND OF CITIES THAT I'M, I'M COMPARING TO.
SO WHAT I DID WAS I TOOK SEDONA, WE'RE COLLECTING 44 MILLION IN TPT 44.2 OR THREE.
AND I SAID, OKAY, LET'S GO 50% HIGHER THAN THAT AND LET'S GO 50% LOWER THAN THAT.
AND THAT CREATES THIS BLUE BAND.
SO ALL THE CITIES IN THIS BLUE BAND REPRESENT THAT RANGE OF TPT COLLECTION.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, WHERE SEDONA LANDS WE'RE PUNCHING WAY ABOVE OUR BELT IN TERMS OF THE POPULATION.
LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S ONLY THREE CITIES THAT COLLECT MORE, RIGHT? AND WHAT IS THAT? SO, UM, CITIES THAT WOULD COLLECT LARGER TPT WOULD BE TOURIST BUSINESSES AND MINING OPERATIONS.
UM, THOSE WOULD BE LIKE THE TWO BIG REASONS WHY IT WOULD BE OUTSIZED RELATIVE TO POPULATION.
'CAUSE IF IT WAS JUST POPULATION, IT WOULD BE ALL THE SALES TAXES THAT THE POPULATION IS GENERATING.
AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME MAJOR BUSINESSES EVEN MORE THAN JUST WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE SPENDING THAT LIVE THERE.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT TULSA, TULSA IS A REALLY INTERESTING CASE.
IN FACT, I I, I CARVED OUT, UH, THAT SPECIFICALLY TO TALK ABOUT, UM, TO TOON, TOON TOON COUNCIL.
UM, THEY HAVE A MASSIVE CULTURAL THING GOING ON.
THEY'RE DOING JUST CRAZY AMOUNT OF EVENTS.
THEY'RE LIKE TUCKED RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF PHOENIX.
WHERE THAT IS, THAT'S LITTLE RIGHT? AND SO THEY, THEY'VE GOT THE ARTS GOING ON MAJORLY.
THEY'VE GOT ALL OF THESE EVENTS, THEY'RE BRINGING IN THE TOURIST REVENUE LIKE YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE.
UM, AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE A MASSIVE NUMBER.
THERE ARE MORE THAN 20 FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES WITHIN THEIR DOMAIN.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON BESIDES MINING.
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B ACTION.THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GETTING THINGS BECAUSE THEY HAVE, YEAH.
SO THEY'VE GOT, THEY'RE COOKING WITH GAS, RIGHT? AND, AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER CITIES, WE HAVE CASA GRANDE AND YOU GOT PRESCOTT.
UH, PRESCOTT WAS INTERESTING TO ME.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM.
BUT UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE OTHER KIND OF CITIES FOLLOW OUT IN THAT, IN THAT PLUS 50% LOW, LOW, YOU KNOW, MINUS 50% BAND.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, THIS COLUMN, G AND H ARE YOUR MAYOR AND COUNSELOR, UM, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHERE THESE NUMBERS FALL.
SO WHEN YOU JUST KIND OF PULL YOUR EYE IN YOUR SCAN AND YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, I'VE GOT 21.
THAT MAKES SENSE, 25 AND PRESCOTT IS KIND OF AN OUTLIER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WAY BELOW THOSE WHETHER OR AMOUNT A TPT, COLLECTION T SO I MEAN THAT'S ALMOST A JUSTIFICATION FOR A DOUBLING THAT'S RIGHT THERE ABOUT WHAT WE
SO I KNOW THAT I MISSED, YOU KNOW, A GOOD CHUNK OF THE LAST MEETING.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE PHILOSOPHY.
YOU GUYS PROBABLY HAD THIS DISCUSSION.
SO I LOVE THE IDEA OF THINKING ABOUT TPT.
THERE ARE HALF OF THE CITIES IN ARIZONA ALSO COLLECTED PROPERTY TAX.
AND SO DID YOU THINK ABOUT ALSO MAKING A PROPERTY TAX FOR REVENUE GENERATED OR DID WE LEAVE IT OUT FOR SPECIFIC REASONS? I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE LEFT IT OUT FOR A SPECIFIC REASON.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE, THERE'S A PROPERTY TAX CITY FOR US.
IT IS A, THERE IS A LIST PUT OUT BY THE LEAGUE OF CITIES OF CITIES TOWN WITHOUT A PRIMARY PROPERTY TAX.
WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE FEW CITIES BELOW, MARICOPA BEING AN OUTLINING HAVE A LOT OF POPULATION YEAH.
PARADISE, LIKE ALL THESE OTHER CITIES HAVE A LOT OF POPULATION.
OLSON WAS THE ONE THAT DIDN'T.
TULSA DOESN'T HAVE MUCH THAT'S GOT A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL, A LOT OF FORTUNE 500 RIGHT NOW THAT, UH, TOURISM IS GOING ON.
SO, UH, THAT, THAT WAS A REALLY TASTY, COMPARABLE TO ME.
UM, JUST FROM THAT TPT PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THAT AND YOU SAY, OKAY, WELL WE'RE HALF OF TULSA AND WHAT'S GOING ON? UM, SO INCOME TAXES, UM, SIMILAR, WE HAVE A BAN UPPER AND LOWER.
SO HERE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE COLLECTING, UM, MORE, UH, OR THE, THE INCOME THAT WE'RE GETTING.
SO THE AVERAGE, UH, ADJUSTED GROSS INCOME, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE F STANDS FOR.
UM, AND SO WHEN YOU KIND LOOK FEDERAL, FEDERAL, YOU KNOW, UM, SO WHEN YOU SCAN YOUR EYES AROUND THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF INTERESTING OUTLIERS WHERE THERE ARE NO, YEAH, I GUESS SALARIES OFFER THESE TWO CITIES HERE.
BUT IF WE SAY THAT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THAT PHILOSOPHY, THEN UH, YOU LOOK AT THESE OTHERS AND YOU SAY, WELL, THERE'S SOME PRETTY BIG, YOU KIND OF GO OVER A POPULATION.
WELL YEAH, THESE ARE REALLY BIG CITIES.
UM, SO WE DON'T, I DON'T REALLY HAVE, WICKENBURG MIGHT BE A COMPER, UH, POPULATION WISE, CAPE CREEK.
UM, SO THERE AREN'T REALLY ONES THAT ARE NEAR OUR POPULATION, MAYBE FOUND HILLS, BUT THEY DON'T TELL A STORY OF JUSTIFYING INCREASE.
UM, SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK ABOUT.
LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EXTRA BURDEN THAT PUTS ON
LIKE I DON'T OTHER THAN LIKELY TO BE MORE PERNICKETY.
UM, BUT I, IT'S NOT A MARKETABLE THING.
BUT, SO WE CAN I HOW YOU
SO WE JUST BARELY ARE NOT IN THE 75TH PERCENTILE.
BUT IF YOU STAY CLOSE ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE OF NUMBERS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT.
UM, AND THEN WITHIN ANY OTHER STORY YOU COULD, UH, YOU COULD SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, TOSON IS, IS COMING CLOSE.
UM, THAT 1820 FIFTH PERCENT THAT 18,000
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POUND LANDS IS DOWN NORTH FONBUT, UM, SO THEN THE BUDGET, UM, WE WOULD LOOK AT, WE FILL NOVEMBER JUST LIKE WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE RANGE? SO HERE'S SEDONA ON OUR OPERATING.
LIKE I HAVEN'T SORTED THIS BASED ON A BUDGET AMOUNT 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA THERE.
BUT, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THE NEXT CHASE DOWN IS LET'S GO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SOME OF THESE OTHER CITIES ARE.
SO WE COULD GO TRY TO FILL 'EM ALL IN, OR WE CAN JUST SAY, WELL, LET'S JUST DO THE CITIES IN THIS BLUE BAND HERE.
RIGHT? BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA BASE, IF WE SAY YES, FOR SURE, WE'RE GONNA USE TPT AS A BASIS, THEN THE CITIES THAT ARE COMPED TO THAT, WE WOULD GO GET THE BUDGET NUMBERS AND SEE HOW THE BUDGET COMPARE.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW FROM PAST EFFORTS, BOTH HERE IN OTHER PLACES TO TRY AND COMPARE CITIES ON THEIR BUDGET, YOU END UP GOING DOWN THIS BLACK HOLE OF WHAT DO THEY DO FOR THAT BUDGET.
YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME CITIES WILL RUN A FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OTHER CITIES WILL TOO.
SOME CITIES WILL HAVE A TRASH DEPARTMENT OF THEIR OWN AND OTHER CITIES LIMITLESSNESS TAKE CARE OF IT.
SO WE NEED WATER TREATMENT, WE HAVE WATER TREATMENT AND THAT'S GONNA BE PRETTY COMMON AMONGST CITIES.
BUT YOU KNOW, SO YOU GO DOWN THIS THING OF HAVING YOU NORMALIZE OF BUDGET COMPARISONS BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE IS DOING THE SAME THING.
AND THAT GETS COMPLICATED REALLY QUICK.
AND I, I GET BACK TO IT, AND I LOVE THIS MATHEMATICAL EXERCISES LIKE THIS, AND I REALLY THINK THERE'S SOME VALUE HERE, BUT WHEN I GO BACK TO THINKING OF WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO FIX WON'T SHOW UP IN ANY MATH THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO FIX REPRESENT THAT IS NOT REPRESENTING COMMUNITY.
WHEN I THINK OF THIS PROCESS, I THINK OF THE HOLES PEOPLE ARE GONNA TRY TO SHOOT OR WHATEVER NUMBER YOU COME UP WITH.
SO, SO HAVING A MATH BASIS IS A BACKSTOP TO SAY, HEY, NOT ONLY CAN WE SOLVE THIS PROBLEM, BUT THIS ALSO IS NOT OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF REALITY.
I JUST DIDN PLUCK IT OUT IN AIR AND BE LIKE, AH, YEAH, YEAH, HERE'S THE NUMBER.
I, I THINK THERE'S MERIT AND VALUE IN WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, BUT IF YOU JUST TRY TO THINK ABOUT 50%, 75TH PERCENTILE, ONE OF THE JUSTIFIABLE RANGES, ALTHOUGH IT'S GOOD MATH TO DO, THERE'S A WHOLE LAYER ABOVE IT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE REFLECTIVE ENOUGH MATH THAT WE'RE DOING.
AND THAT'S, THAT SEEMS LIKE THE STAKE YOU WANNA PUT IN THE SAND OF LIKE YEAH, WE'RE TRYING TO A REPRESENTATION CHALLENGE REALLY THE POINT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
BECAUSE EVEN IF SCROLL UP A LITTLE BIT WHERE IT WAS SHOWING, UH, SO EVEN IF WE HIT THE 75 PERCENTILE, $14,000 ISN'T GONNA CAUSE SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD IN THIS TOWN TO RUN FOR COUNCIL.
I HAVE THESE, UH, THESE NUMBERS ARE BACKWARDS, ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AROUND, BUT YEAH, THE 25TH, EITHER WAY, EITHER WAY YOU GET, YOU GET CATCH MY DRIFT.
LIKE THAT'S NOT A PART-TIME JOB.
SO IF WE'RE SAYING THE OTHER THING'S A PART-TIME JOB, WHICH IT ISN'T, BUT LET'S JUST SAY WHAT IT DOES IS A PART-TIME JOB, UH, IN ORDER TO DO SOMETHING ELSE, TO MAKE THE PART-TIME UP $14,000 AIN'T GONNA MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.
NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE END ALL BE ALL, BUT LIKE $14,000 ISN'T LIKE, SO THAT'S WHERE THE MATH KIND OF, IT'S LIKE WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? YOU KNOW, IT REMINDS ME OF WHEN COUNCIL IS CONSIDERING HOW MUCH WE WANNA PAY TO SHORT TERM RENTAL OPERATORS TO CONVERT THEIR UNIT TO A LONG TERM OPERATOR.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A FAIR MARKET VALUE APPROACH, BUT COUNCIL DECIDED TO TRY AND FIND THE MAGIC NUMBER FOR, AND, AND I WAS DEFINITELY ON BOARD ABOUT THIS AND SUPPORTED IT, THE MAGIC NUMBER, WHERE A GOOD HEARTED, SHORT TERM RENTAL OPERATOR WOULD SAY, OH, OKAY, THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME.
I'LL START RENTING OUT LONG SCALES AND IT JUST TIP THE SCALE KIND OF THING.
AND IT TURNS OUT IN RETROSPECT THAT THAT WASN'T, THAT WASN'T ENOUGH.
IT JUST WASN'T ENOUGH TO MOTIVATE PEOPLE TO DO THAT.
AND I THINK COUNCIL IS GONNA HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT NUMBER AGAIN.
BUT IN MY HEAD, THAT'S THE RIGHT APPROACH FOR US AGAIN HERE,
BUT NOW WE'RE GONNA TRY AND FIND A NUMBER THAT STARTS TO ENCOURAGE
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SOMEBODY WITH A JOB TO SAY, YEAH, I'M GONNA LOSE MONEY DOING THIS, BUT IT'S ENOUGH THAT I CAN MAKE IT WORK FOR FOUR YEARS.OR YOU GET THAT THAT DAY AT HOME PARENT.
NO, THAT'S, YEAH, IT'S VERY GOOD.
SO WHERE DO WE WANNA GO HERE, SEAN, WHAT'S YOUR, UM, SO I THINK YOU HAVE A, A, A GOOD NUMBER HERE WITH THE TPT.
YOU CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET.
UM, THE POPULATION DOESN'T REALLY SUPPORT THE STORY BY ITSELF.
UM, NOT, WELL, WHAT WAS IT NOT PART OF THE ANALYSIS, THE COMPLEXITY OF THE JOB, RIGHT? AS MUCH AS THAT MIGHT GENERATE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU HAVE TO SPEND DOING THE JOB WAS, IN THEORY, SOME OF THE, THE DIFFERENTIATION THAT YOU'RE MAKING WITH THE, THE BUDGET SPECIFICALLY AND THE CAPITAL AND ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WAS RELATED TO THIS IDEA THAT THAT TAKES A LITTLE MORE EFFORT THAN JUST A, A TUESDAY NIGHT, A WEDNESDAY NIGHT GOING THROUGH PROCESS, PROCEDURE APPROVAL.
SO IT WAS MORE THAT MIGHT DEMONSTRATE SOME LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY TO THE JOB.
IT REQUIRING A LITTLE MORE EFFORT OR A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH.
AND IF THAT'S NOT IT, THEN FINDING WHAT IT IS IN THOSE BUDGETS THAT'S GOING TO PRODUCE SOME SORT OF ARGUMENT THAT SAYS IT'S BECAUSE OF THIS, THAT WE THINK THESE REPRESENT US IN SOME TANGENT TOO.
SO THINK ABOUT OTHER METRICS THAT WE, THAT ALL BE MORE DIFFICULT TO FIND, BUT HOW MANY, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF ITEMS ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA OVER A COURSE, THE, THE YEAR OR ARE THERE COUNCIL COMMITTEES AND WHAT'S THE STRUCTURE OF HOW THEY WORK AND DEMAND YEAH, BECAUSE I'M SURE THAT'S VERY WILDLY YEAH, YEAH.
LIKE WHAT'S EXPECTED OF YOU FROM CITY TO CITY, LIKE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD FIND THAT IF WE WERE ABLE TO REALLY TO NARROW DOWN ONE OF YOUR WINDOWS, THEN MAYBE IT'S WORTH DIGGING INTO SOME OF THOSE A S THERE.
WE'RE ASKING A QUESTION, RIGHT? THE CHALLENGE IS GONNA BE FINDING THE DATA.
LIKE AS SOON AS YOU START TO DO ANY OF THAT, THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE, WELL WHAT DID YOU COMPARE THAT TO IN OTHER CITIES? AND FINDING THAT ON THE WEBSITE COULD BE INTERESTING.
UH, I, I'VE, AS I
LIKE IF YOU HAVE LOTS OF LITTLE N******G THINGS THAT AREN'T CONTENTIOUS VERSUS THINGS WITH HUGE PACKETS, UM, THEN THAT MATTERS TOO.
ONE OF THE OTHER CONCEPTS YOU ALL CAME UP WITH THE LAST TIME TO HELP HOPEFULLY HELP YOU WAS THIS IDEA OF A LIVING WAGE OF A CERTAIN NUMBER OF HOURS PER, RIGHT? SO IF IT'S A 10 HOUR A WEEK JOB, YOU WERE GOING THROUGH SOME ANALYSIS OF IF YOU WERE GETTING $14,000 AND YOU WERE SPENDING 10 HOURS OR IT WAS ANTICIPATED, YOU WERE AT LEAST, WHAT DOES THAT PARA AGAINST A PART-TIME JOB THAT WOULD TAKE 10 HOURS OF YOUR 20 HOURS AND GETTING TO SOME AT LEAST.
AND, AND THEN I THINK IT GOES TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID ALSO IS THIS IDEA OF WHAT'S THE TIPPING POINT FOR SOMEONE? AND MAYBE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, AND I IN STAFF, WE ALL UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO FIND THE RIGHT SUPPORT LEVEL FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT WE PUT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.
BUT HOW DO WE GET TO A CONCEPT OF HOW WE TIE THAT LIVING WAGE, THE NUMBER OF HOURS, AND ULTIMATELY THAT TIPPING POINT OF THE DESIRE OF SOMEBODY TO RUN NOT OTHERWISE, RIGHT? SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO, AND, AND THAT DOES LEAD TO THIS NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH WAS WHAT AMOUNT OF TIME DOES IT ACTUALLY TAKE, RIGHT? AND TO WHAT LEVEL ARE THAT COMPLEXITY? THAT'S JUST USING OUR OWN DATA AND THEORY.
OUR OWN PEOPLE HAVE DONE THE JOB, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS THINK WE CAN PUT TOGETHER THAT WILL HELP FIND THAT TIPPING POINT? IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE, UM, MAYBE IT'S AN AFFORDABILITY INDEX OR WHATEVER.
'CAUSE IT IN THE CONCEPT IS THAT I CAN'T BE ON THE COUNCIL HERE 'CAUSE I DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY.
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO FIND A PLACE IN THE CITY TO BE EVEN ON THE COUNCIL, WHICH IS A BIG PROBLEM.
AND THAT MAY CORRELATE A LITTLE BIT WITH, RIGHT.
WELL, AND THAT CORRELATES A LITTLE BIT WITH THOSE WHO ARE ON THE TOLLESON COUNCIL, RIGHT? I MEAN THEY CAN, THEY LOCATE ANYWHERE, BUT THEY, THEY CAN BE ANYWHERE IN THE VALLEY, RIGHT? WHERE HERE IT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT THAT THOSE PEOPLE THAT END UP LIVING IN TOLLESON PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LIVING
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COSTS COST.THIS LITTLE SELECT SECTION I HAVE SELECTED HERE IS TALKING EXACTLY THE WAY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL OF ARIZONA, OUR COUNSELOR IS PAID $30 AN HOUR LESS THAN THE AVERAGE WAGE.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO LOOK UP HERE AT THE SEDONA HOURLY REGIONS, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY MAKING.
NOW THAT'S BASED ON A 30 HOUR WEEK, WE CAN CHANGE THAT TO ANY NUMBER OF HOURS WE WANT AND THIS WILL AUTOMATICALLY UPDATE.
BUT BASED ON A 30 HOUR WEEK NEW
THAT'S WHY IT'S SUCH A CRITICAL OPPORTUNITY FOR DEFENSIVE A POSITION THAT MIGHT TAKE YOU LOOK AT JUST THE
RIGHT? SO WE WANT YOU ABLE TO FIND SEDONA AREA NUMBERS.
THEY DON'T THAT MEAN I COULD GO TAKE IT THERE.
NOT SEDONA MS. THE CLOSEST IS WHAT HE WAS DOING A MINUTE AGO WITH THE, THE A GI FOR WHAT CREATES THE INCOME FOR THE STATE.
I MEAN THAT'S THE, THE BACKWARDS WAY INTO IT IS TO SAY, YEAH, OUR AREA HAS THIS, BUT THOSE ARE PASSED UP WOULD ARGUE MOST OF THOSE ARE PAST INCOME STILL PAYING THE PROPERTY TAX.
RIGHT? WE'RE STILL PAYING INCOME TAXES, EXCUSE ME.
AND THAT SECTION
SO YEAH, YOU, YOU, YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT A CAREER POLITICIAN, BUT YOU WANT SOME TO ENTICE SOMEBODY THAT ENOUGH TO GO FOR IT AND GET A, WHERE YOU LAND, YOU KNOW, TAKE SIX 15 AN HOUR, 4 23 HOUR SURE.
COMPARED TO GAVA PIE, 28 BUCKS AN HOUR.
UM, SHOULD YOU AT LEAST BE HALF OF THAT MEMBER
WE DON'T WANNA CHANGE THAT TOO.
ENTICE MORE WORKERS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT THEN THAT HAVE TO BE NORMAL, MORE NEAR THAT AVERAGE WAGE.
SO THEY, IT'S MATTER WHAT WILL, YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL MOST RESIDENTS THINK OF GIVING HALF THE AVERAGE BY? SO WHAT'S YOUR REQUEST? DO YOU THINK THERE'S VALUE IN MORE ANALYSIS HERE? YOU NEED HELP GETTING BETA, WE NEED, I WOULD SAY TAKE THE PT CITIES AND LET'S JUST GO GET THE BUDGET.
OR JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING MIGHT JUMP OUT AT US THAT THERE'S A FURTHER JUSTIFICATION.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, IT'S THE PHILOSOPHY OF TRYING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE UNDER A MORE DIVERSE THING AND THAT DECO IT FROM THE MASS, SAME MASS OR JUST A BACKUP.
BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA MAKE SURE YOU OUTSIZE TO THE COUNTY AVERAGE HOURLY LIKE THAT.
SO YOU JUST, THOSE ARE SAFETY CHECKS I GUESS AGAINST, YOU KNOW, CRIMINATION.
BUT BECAUSE YOU CAN GUARANTEE RED NEWS WILL BE ALL OVER WHATEVER WE CAN HELP.
SO
BUT, UM, WELL I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO SPEND A LITTLE OF TIME NOODLE AROUND A A, A CITY WEBSITE TO SEE BY NUMBERS.
ANYONE ELSE WILLING TO SPEND SOME TIME DOING THAT? I TOON OR ON WHATEVER CITIES WE'LL ASK SEAN TO DIVVY IT UP AND SEND YEAH.
WE SEND ASSIGNMENTS WELL OR SO CPT CITIES THAT WE WOULD GO LOOK AT IF WE WANNA, UH, DO ANY OTHER SORT OF POPULATION VECTOR ON THAT.
WE COULD INCLUDE SOME CITIES THAT, UM, OUR CLOSE IN POPULATION, WE PUT ALL OF THEM PAID VERY LITTLE.
SO THOSE MIGHT NOT BE COMP FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE.
UM, SO IF YOU'RE ANSWER SHOPPING BECAUSE YOU WANNA PAY THEM MORE, AGAIN, A MORE DIVERSE THING, THEN WELL GET CITIES THAT HAVE, THAT ARE ACTUALLY PAYING.
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AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S ON THE RECORD.AND NO, WE'RE NOT JUST FORMS
RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN THAT, THAT IS, AS SOON AS WE ARE, WE, I MEAN WE'RE TRYING TO SAY WHAT AMOUNT GETS A GRADED PERSON.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE LESS THAN THE CURRENT AMOUNT THERE BEFORE.
IT HAS TO BE MORE THAN A CURRENT AMOUNT.
SO IT'S, WELL I GUESS WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IS THERE A LACK OF DIVERSITY ON THESE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE THE SAME SIZE OF US, BUT MAY PAY LESS? ARE THEY GETTING THE DIVERSITY THAT WE'RE MISSING? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
YEAH, THAT'S AN INTERESTING THING TO THINK ABOUT.
LIKE DOES HOUSING REALLY AFFECT THE DIVERSITY IS MORE THAN PAY RIGHT.
COST OF HOUSING? IS THAT THE ISSUE? AND YEAH.
WHAT OTHER THINGS WOULD, I MEAN IT COULD JUST BE THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF RETIRED PEOPLE, THE AVERAGE AGE IS LARGE HERE.
AND SO THAT'S NATURALLY NOT GONNA BE DIVERSE.
AND SO IS THE ANSWER MORE MONEY TO OVERCOME THAT DEMOGRAPHIC? RIGHT.
UM, OR IF NOT MONEY, WHAT ELSE? UM, THAT'S IF THEY HAVE TO LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS.
YOU KNOW, YOU PUT SOME OF THE, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO SO THEN WE THEY CAN'T ABSOLUTELY CAN'T RUN.
THEY'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT SECONDARY INCOME PEOPLE THAT, THAT NEED INCOME.
CJ WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? YOU'VE BEEN QUIET TODAY.
DOES OUR COUNCIL REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITY ACCURATELY? THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
WE HAVE A NON SECOND JOB WORK.
IT'S ACTUALLY INTERESTING RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL WHO ACTUALLY WORK AND OF THE PEOPLE RUNNING, JUST THINKING ABOUT WHO GOT TRACK AND SEAN WORKS, WHICH IS RETIRED.
I DON'T KNOW, I THINK SHE'S RETIRED.
OH, IS HE RETIRED? YEAH, HE'S RETIRED.
SO IT'S, IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION AND I THINK THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT I SEE IT SHIFTING JUST BECAUSE I THINK THAT STATISTICALLY WE HAVE TWO WORKING MEMBERS TO CITY COUNCIL NOW, WHICH I THINK IS AN ANOMALY.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE REALLY HAD THAT IN YEARS.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN SKEW OVER IN THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE OLDER POPULATION.
BUT YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? CJ'S QUESTION? UM, IT'S OBVIOUSLY MORE REPRESENTATIVE THAN NOT, BUT THAT'S ALSO CUTTING OUT THE WORKING POPULATION LIKE 40 AND UNDER OR YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE PEOPLE THAT ARE RAISING KIDS LIKE, LIKE YOURSELF.
LIKE THERE'S NOBODY, I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT, THERE'S NOBODY ON COUNCIL PROBABLY MAYBE EVER, MAYBE EVER.
WHEN I LOOK AT THAT'S BEEN RAISING LIKE A 5-YEAR-OLD WHEN THEY'RE RUNNING ON COUNCIL.
LIKE TO YOUR POINT, I MEAN THE TWO THAT ARE EMPLOYED ON COUNCIL, THE ONE'S A I PROFILE LAWYER MAKING 16 BUCKS A HOUR.
THEY'RE SELF-EMPLOYED AND OR A BUSINESS OWNER THAT PRETTY MUCH GOT IT GOING.
IT'S DEFINITELY QUITE WELL TAKEN.
LIKE THERE'S WAY MORE OLDER RETIRED PEOPLE THAN PEOPLE WORKING AND STUFF.
BUT THAT ALSO DOESN'T EXCLUDE THE PEOPLE WORKING AND SUCH THOUGH.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THAT THE VISITAR REPRESENTATIVE OF
THE, THE CENSUS SHOWS 35%, 2020, UH, WAS 65 AND OLDER, SO 35%.
SO I WOULD'VE GUESSED A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THAT EVEN.
BUT I SAID THAT COUNCIL LOOKS LIKE IT'S A HIGHER PERCENTAGE.
WELL THAT MEANS TWO THIRDS IS 35% AS OF WORKING AGE.
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RIGHT.NO, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE FROM AN AGE PERSPECTIVE, THAT DATA NEEDS TO BE WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, REALLY OUGHT HAVE THOSE FACTS.
SO BACK TO YOUR WORK, SEAN, STILL WANNA CONTINUE IT? I THINK THERE'S GOOD GRANT OF DOING IT.
YEAH, WE CAN JUST, I PLUG AWAY AT IT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MEETINGS AND WHEN WE GET IT HOLD WE'LL SEE IF SOMETHING COMES OUT AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T ASSIGN ME SOME CITIES, I'LL, I'LL TAKE A LOOK.
SEND ME, I'LL SEND ME YOUR LIST.
WHO ELSE WOULD WANNA DO THAT WORK? ANYONE ELSE WANNA HELP THE EFFORT AND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO ROUTE ON THE WEB.
IF I CAN FIND IT ON A PHONE CALL, I CAN, BUT I CAN'T DO COMPUTER STUFF.
BUT LIKE THIS IS WAY ABOVE MY SCREEN
WELL I DON'T, I'D PROBABLY NOT HAVE A BIG CITY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE TO DIG AROUND AND IF YOU HAVE A MANAGEABLE LIKE THE SIZE OF SEDONA OR SO THEN I, I THINK I COULD FIND SOMETHING.
I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF FINDING WHERE THEY PUBLISH THEIR BUDGET, GET THE LAST ONE AND TRY AND DIG UP WHAT THEY CALL THEIR OPERATING BUDGET.
AND THEN WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND SORT OF WHAT GOES INTO THAT.
WHETHER THEY HAVE SOME CRAZY DEPARTMENT THAT NOBODY ELSE WOULD EVER HAVE.
YOU KNOW, THE OPERATING JAIL OR THEY SOMETHING THAT OR GROUP OR SOMETHING.
UM, SO THE QUESTION ON WHAT IS OPERATING BUDGET IS PERTINENT.
LIKE IT WOULD BE SIMPLER IF WE JUST SET EVERYTHING BUT CIP YES.
WHEN YOU DEFINE OPERATING, THAT'S NOT CAPITAL.
OPERATING STUFF YOU HAVE TO DO EVERY YEAR.
BECAUSE WE MIGHT BREAK OUT DIFFERENT BUCKETS.
LIKE THEY DON'T SET THE CITIES THAT I'VE SCANNED RIGHT NOW, DON'T GIVE AN OPERATING.
UM, SO IT'S, YOU HAVE TO BACK INTO IT BY TAKING THE TOTAL BUDGET AND SUBTRACTING THE CAPITAL.
OH AND YOU'RE, THE SOURCES YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT ARE THE CITY'S BUDGETS OR YOU YEAH.
FINDING THEIR LAST A CFR BY STATE LAW.
THEY HAVE TO PUBLISH THE BUDGET ON THE WEBSITE.
AND SO YOU GO TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, FIND THE BUDGETS AND YOU CRACK INTO THAT.
I DID PHOENIX AND MESA AND CHANDLER AND UH, TUCSON AND IN ALL THE ONE CASE, THEY DIDN'T USE THE WORD OPERATING BUDGET.
SO, SO THIS MIGHT BE AN INTERESTING QUESTION FOR BARBARA ROSS.
I WONDER IF THE A CFRS, WHICH ALSO HAVE TO BE PUBLISHED EVERY YEAR IN THE AUDIT AND FINANCIAL STATEMENT.
I THINK THAT HAS A MORE FORMATTED SENSE, BUT IT'S ALL BROKEN OUT BY FUND.
SO THEN EACH FUND HAS A PU COMPONENT.
SO YOU MIGHT HAVE TO BE TOTALLY 30 NUMBERS TO COME UP WITH WHAT IS THE TOTAL CAPITAL AND THEN YOU SUBTRACT THAT FROM THE TOTAL BUDGET.
I WOULD AGREE THAT IT WOULDN'T BE, I REALLY THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS AN OPERATING, IT'S CRAZY THAT IT'S NOT LIKE, JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE STATE LAW DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT ITEM, BUT NOT OKAY
SO DIG INTO WHAT THAT OPERATING INCOME IS, BUT THIS IS THE SIDESHOW.
IT'S JUST, IT'S THE RATIONAL BACKING OF GREATER PHILOSOPHICAL CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW DO WE GET A MORE DIVERSE YEAH, GIVE ME A COUPLE OF, YOU CAN SEND A COUPLE AND ALRIGHT, COOL.
GIMME ME SOME AND THEN TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
I'LL, I'LL INCLUDE ALSO THE WEBSITE IN THE CITY.
[5. Discussion and direction on survey of former council members.]
YEAH.UNDER COMMON CONVERSATIONS, LET ME SHARE THIS.
SO, UH, UH, WAS THE IDEA WAS TO GET A, AT LEAST SOME CONNECTION TO WHAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE POSITION, WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE.
SO THERE WAS A MYRIAD, A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT I DREW UP THERE, UH, TO AT LEAST HAVE YOU ALL, UH, CONSIDER.
AND, AND THIS WOULD BE AT OUR TOP THOUGHT ABOUT SHARING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ENGAGE A, A DATABASE OF FORMER MAYOR AND COUNCIL PEOPLE TO GET SOME SORT OF, UH, JUST DOING THIS YOURSELF.
IT PROBABLY TOOK MORE THAN 15 MINUTES, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A 30 MINUTE CONVERSATION AT SOME LEVEL WITH EACH OF THOSE THAT WE COULD GET A HOLD OF IN HERE.
THE CONCEPT THAT I TRIED TO BE EXPANSIVE ON, WE CAN GET MORE NARROW IN THESE QUESTIONS, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY WAS GETS TO SOME OF THE CONTEXT
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LIKE MOTIVATION.WHAT IF KIND OF SCENARIOS THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY HELP YOU COME TO SOME, MAYBE IT'S DEFENSIBLE BUT IT'S MORE ON THIS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WORDS AS OPPOSED TO THE DATA WHERE YOU CAN SAY, HERE'S WHAT FORMER PEOPLE HAVE DONE AND HERE'S HOW WE GOT TO SOME REASONABLE RECOMMENDATION WAS BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT THIS IS THE CASE AND IT WAS BELIEVED THAT, AND AGAIN, THEY COULD BE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE, BUT WE'RE KIND OF EXPANDING THAT CONCEPT.
IS THAT, WHAT DID IT TAKE, WHAT DID THEY THINK IT WOULD'VE TAKEN IN THEIR TIME TO GET A DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC TO SHOW? I READ THROUGH THESE QUESTIONS THAT I THOUGHT THEY WERE PRETTY GOOD AND PRETTY COMPLETE AND REFLECTED THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH A COUPLE OF FOLKS.
11 NEEDS TO BE REWORDED BECAUSE THERE'S A PERIOD AND THEN OKAY.
SO, AND ETHNICITY THEN COMMA HOW DO YOU BELIEVE, UH, YOU KNOW OR SOMETHING.
BUT UH, I WAS, I WAS THINKING FIVE.
YOU REWROTE IT'S A LEADING QUESTION.
MAYBE JUST THE SECOND HALF OF THAT 11 NUMBER 11 QUESTION.
HOW DO YOU BELIEVE COMPENSATION IMPACTS IS ABLE TO SERVE? JUST ASK THE QUESTION.
YEAH, I MEAN I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA GIVE MUCH OF AN ANSWER FOR SIX 'CAUSE NOBODY'S GONNA SAY THAT THEY'RE IN IT FOR THE MONEY, BUT MAYBE BENEFITS SIX TERMS THAT'S GREATER.
SO YOU KNOW, OLDER ON MEDICARE, HAVING HEALTHCARE OPTION THAT'S HUGE.
LIKE THAT COULD BE SIGNIFICANT OTHER PEOPLE.
BUT THEN YOU'RE THE OLDER PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT.
THAT, SORRY, I WAS, I MEAN I KNOW ERNIE, ERNIE PROUD TALKED TO ME ABOUT HE REALLY FELT THAT HE WASN'T COMPENSATED FOR EVEN THE COST OF OPERATING HIS CAR.
WHICH I DON'T KNOW BACK THEN WHETHER WE DIDN'T, I MEAN I COULD TURN IN MILEAGE TODAY FOR ANY MEETING THAT I'M GOING TO BUT I DON'T
YOU COULD HAVE ITEMIZED IT MAYBE WANTED TO.
I'M SORRY I MISSED IT AND YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT IT AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT FIVE.
SO WHAT ON SIX IS THAT I OH I THINK IT'S FINE.
SORRY YOU DIDN'T THINK CJ YOU SAID A LEADING QUESTION BUT THAT WASN'T SINCE, RIGHT? YEAH IT WAS 11 FIVE THEN 11 IS ALSO WHERE ARE YOU PAY, HOW DID YOUR INCOME, HOW DID BEING A COUNCIL MEMBER, HOW DID YOU, HOW DID YOU PAY? YEAH.
HOW DID A COUNCIL MEMBER PAY? NOT BEING A COUNCIL MEMBER, JUST HOW A COUNCIL MEMBER PAY PAY YOUR PAY YOUR PAY, NOT YOU PAY, YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR PAY, YOUR PAY COUNCIL MEMBER PAY.
GOT IT THERE, THE COUNCIL MEMBER MEMBER PAY BACK YOUR DECISION.
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE IN A CONVERSATION.
SO I JUST WAS TRYING TO GIVE YOU YEAH.
SO I THINK IF AS I DON'T SAY IN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, STICK TO THE SCRIPT.
THIS ONE YOU DON'T HAVE TO SKIP, STICK TO THE SCRIPT.
I THINK THE CONCEPT WAS THAT IF THEY BRING SOMETHING UP THAT YOU NEED TO GET MORE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT MORE? 'CAUSE YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET SOME TANGIBLE RESPONSES THOUGH.
IF YOU HAVE TO ASK DIFFERENT QUESTIONS OR GET FEEDBACK IN DIFFERENT WAYS, I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD.
IT'S LIKE A MORE INTERESTING QUESTION TO ME IS, WOULD MORE COMPENSATION HAVE CHANGED YOUR DECISION? OKAY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO JUST SOMETHING BUT YEAH, NO BACK.
YEAH, YOU, YOU WEREN'T IN IT FOR THE SERVICE BUT IF YOU HAD THE MONEY
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ONCE YOU WERE ON CONCEPT, YOU REALIZED THE WORKLOAD AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH MY GOD, WHITE FORCE.
IS THERE MORE THAN 12 RUSS? I THINK SO.
SO THE NEXT, THE NEXT QUESTION IS IF I, I DON'T WANNA SIGN ANYTHING TO STAFF, I'M THE ONE WHO GIVES THE ASSIGNMENTS.
BUT IF I WAS TO PULL TOGETHER A DATABASE AND SAY X, IS IT THE GROUP'S FEELING THAT IF YOU COULD TAKE ON A HALF A DOZEN OR A DOZEN CALLS AND CONVERSATIONS OR AT LEAST DO THE REACH OUT? 'CAUSE I'M NOT GUARANTEEING WE'LL GET ANYBODY ON THE OTHER END.
BUT IF I GIVE EVERYBODY AND KIND OF SPLIT UP THE GROUP TO BE ABLE TO, HOW FAR BACKS WE GONE? THAT'S THE QUESTION.
AS FAR BACK AS WE CAN GET PEOPLE TO RESPOND, RESPOND
I KNOW SOME OF THEM, BUT ONE WELL ALREADY CONNECTED ROB, ADAM, SO I'LL TAKE HIM ON.
UM, SO IF I KICK THAT OUT, DO YOU WANT TO SET UP A RESPONSIVE THAT I GOT THIS AND I'LL SELF ASSIGN OR DO YOU WANT ME TO THROW OUT HERE'S 10 PEOPLE BASED ON THE NUMBERS, 10 PEOPLE AND HERE'S THEIR CONTACT AND HERE'S THE QUESTIONS.
SO I CAN DO THAT AND, AND I, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING OR WHATEVER, JUST GIVE ME FEEDBACK AND I'LL TRY TO ADJUST WHOEVER IT IS OR GET MORE INFORMATION IF I CAN ON THE PEOPLE THAT I SEND OUT.
UM, AND THEN I THINK THAT WOULD GET US TO, IF WE CAN GET THAT, AND I SAY THIS, YOU KNOW, TO WHATEVER NOTE TAKING AND HOW YOU GUYS DID IT.
I KNOW YOU DID SOME LEVEL OF WRITTEN DEAL WITH AI.
SO IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, IF YOU WRITE IT UP DIGITALLY, AI IS EXTREMELY VALUABLE AND EASY FOR ME TO START TO CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION.
IF YOU HAND WRITE IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER FOR ME.
BUT IF THERE'S A WAY TO, TO USE THAT AS A WAY TO TYPE IT UP AND YOU JUST SENT ME, ALRIGHT, I JUST TALKED TO ROB, HERE'S WHAT IS WHAT.
EVEN IF IT'S NOT WRITTEN NICELY, JUST WRITE YOUR NOTES AND SEND IT ON BECAUSE WHAT I CAN DO IS I CAN SCRAPE THOSE FOR CONSOLIDATING SOME GENERAL, UH, RESPONSES AND GIVE YOU SOME OF THAT BACK, UM, HOPEFULLY AS EARLY AS YOUR NEXT MEETING.
I THINK, UH, I DID A FAIR AMOUNT OF INTERVIEW BECAUSE I WRITE BOOKS AND SO OH GOOD.
THIS IS IS A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
IT MIGHT NOT EVEN GO MINE AND I HERE, BUT
WELL THAT WAS, AND I SAY THAT WITH ALL RESPECT TO THE US WHAT MY HOPE WAS, I WAS TRYING TO GET THE COMPREHENSIVE NATURE OF THE REQUEST THAT WE'RE MAKING AND FIND A WAY TO INCORPORATE ALL THAT, WHICH LED TO A LOT OF 'EM.
SO MAYBE SOME TIME ON SOME CONSOLIDATION.
I I WOULD LOVE SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK AND OKAY.
SINCE A DP EVEN DOES THAT FOR, WHEN WE DO A ADVERTISEMENT, THEY GO, OOH, THAT'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR SOMEONE.
HERE'S HOW LIKELY YOU'RE GONNA GET ALL YOUR ANSWERS.
IT TELLS YOU LIKE, IT'S, IT'S REALLY KIND OF FUNNY IF YOU GET LIKE THE SWEET SPOT'S ABOUT EIGHT AND THAT THEY DON'T LIKE 10 'CAUSE TEN'S A NUMBER.
SO IF YOU SAY, I GOT ABOUT 10 QUESTIONS FOR YOU, BUT IF YOU SAY A, I THINK THERE'S SOME REAL TO THAT, BUT IN REALITY WE HAVE 60
SO WE COULD CUT IT NOW AND, AND AGAIN THAT THE PART WAS THE EVOLUTION OF THE QUESTION IS MORE ABOUT THE CONTEXT OF HAVING THAT CONVERSATION.
NOT THAT EVERY PIECE IS THAT IMPORTANT.
UM, SOME OF THIS IS, AND I'LL SAY THIS PUT TOWARDS IF YOU WERE TRYING TO DO THIS RIGHT, SO THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS HERE THAT ARE WE INTERESTED IN WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, RIGHT? AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO JUST FIND OUT WHAT THEY THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE DIFFERENCE.
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AND IF YOU DO TAKE OUT THE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK WE'RE TRYING TO DO, MAYBE IF THAT'S MORE OF A POLITICAL ANSWER, THEY MIGHT STATE, WE WOULD STICK TO THE QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT REALLY JUST BE ASKING YOUR SITUATION WHAT YOU THINK WITH LIMITING THE QUESTION OF WELL WHAT WOULD'VE MADE A DIFFERENCE TO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AS OPPOSED TO MAYBE COMMENTARY.I'M TRYING, I I'M WILLING TO LOOK AT THIS AND DO AN EMAIL ABOUT, I JUST THINK THAT SOME OF THESE COULD BE CONSOLIDATED, BUT WE'RE REPEATING OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT.
WE'RE TRYING TO NARROW THE FOCUS BY ASKING THE QUESTION A DIFFERENT WAY.
SO IT'S, BUT YOU SHOULD GET THE SAME ANSWER IF YOU ASK IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
SO I APPRECIATE THE HELP ON THAT.
SO THAT I'LL KICK OUT WHATEVER WE CAN CONSOLIDATE DOWN TO AND KICK THOSE OUT.
AND YEAH, BUT HOPEFULLY WE'LL ALL SIGN UP FOR MAKING SOME PHONE CALLS WHEN WE FINISH THE QUESTIONS AND WE GET THE LIST TOGETHER.
SO JOANNE, YEAH, SO IT, IT, YEAH.
IT WON'T BE THAT HARD TO STICK TOO MUCH OUT.
HOPEFULLY WE HAVE ENOUGH ACCURATE INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE THEY ARE, BUT ESPECIALLY IF YOU SEE NAMES AND YOU KNOW HOW TO GET AHOLD OF 'EM, IF THERE'S A PHONE NUMBER, WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO GET YOU THAT INFORMATION BASED ON OURS.
YOU ASKED ABOUT HOW FAR WE HAVE GENERAL DATABASE INFORMATION THAT GOES BACK TO ABOUT 2 0 0 6, 0 8, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BEFORE THAT IT'S, IT'LL BE A LITTLE HARDER.
SO THE LAST 20 YEARS OR SO IS GONNA BE PRETTY EASY TO FIND EITHER PHONE NUMBERS OR EMAILS AFTER THAT.
IT GETS A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT HALLOWEEN HAS CHANGED.
SO THAT I EVEN THINK 20 IS BIG, RIGHT? 10 YEARS MIGHT BE YEAH.
IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, 60 AND GOING BACK 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU'D BE PUSHING 80, RIGHT? WOW.
SO WE GOOD WITH SAYING 10 YEARS.
SO I CAN ROLL BACK MAYBE 12 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE A TWO YEAR ELECTION CYCLE.
SO MAKE SURE YOU LINE IT UP WITH THE MAYOR FOUR YEARS, FIVE CYCLES OR 10, 12 YEARS DEPEND ON MAYOR.
THOSE ARE TWO AS WHAT? ONE SIX? YEAH.
MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE STILL ON MIGHT HAVE TO BEAT THE BUSHES FOR CURRENT CONTACT INFORMATION MAYBE.
'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, A DP DOES HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.
PETE WILL GO AWAY AT ONE DAY AND WE'LL STILL KNOW HOW TO GET A HOLD OF THEM AS LONG AS THEY KNOW CHANGE ON THEM.
THEY CAN RUN, YOU KNOW, THANKS FOR THEY TOO.
WHY DO YOU WANNA CHANGE'S PHONE NUMBER? I'M JUST SAYING
[6. Discussion/possible ideas for future meeting/agenda items and set date.]
TO MOVE TO, I THINK SO IDEAS FOR FUTURE MEETING, AGENDA TOPICS, DATA SETTING, WHAT OTHER ONE OF THE OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT WE WANT.SO WE GOT DATABASE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING.
I THINK THOSE ARE TWO GREAT THINGS.
IS THERE ANOTHER BIG THING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE ON OR ANOTHER THE ACTUAL CENTRAL MISSION STATEMENT THAT WE CAN, WHAT WE SET WITH THE, THE GUIDING LIGHT, WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA TO DO.
RIGHT? BECAUSE BIG CONVERSATION ABOUT COMPENSATION.
I DON'T THINK ACTUALLY LIKE SAY OUR GOAL IS, IT'S JUST BIG CONVERSATIONS, RIGHT? AND TO GO FROM THAT TO, WELL WE'RE GONNA INCREASE IT TO, THIS IS NOT A, A GUIDING LIGHT.
SO COUNSELING DIRECTOR CREATION OF THIS COMMITTEE, MOTIVATING STATEMENTS WE DID
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IN THE AGENDA BILLS FROM THOSE TWO MEETINGS.WE HAVE A CHARTER WHICH HAS A PURPOSE REVIEW AND RECOMMEND COMPENSATION FOR THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ENSURE COMPOSITION ALIGNS WITH CITY SIZE, REGIONAL BENCHMARKS, LEGAL REQUIREMENTS AND WORKLOAD EXPECTATIONS.
SO YES, WE HAVE TO FINISH THIS WORK AND DO A GOOD JOB OF THAT ENHANCE TRANSPARENCY AND FAIRNESS IN COMPENSATION SETTING.
SO WE'RE ALLOWED TO AUTHORIZE COMP, ANALYZE COMPENSATION DATA FROM
SO IT'S NOT A PHILOSOPHY BAKED NO, THERE ISN'T A PHILOSOPHY STATEMENT.
UH, THAT I MAKE A PHILOSOPHY IN THE STATEMENT WHEN I ASKED COUNSEL TO DO THIS.
YEAH, I DID FOR THAT EXACT REASON.
AND LOOKING IN THE FUTURE PLANNING NOT APPROPRIATELY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS IN THE TOWN, BUT WE WOULD WANNA QUOTE YOU.
WHAT YOU I SAY
SAY SO THEN THE INTERVIEWS COULD TAKE A COUPLE MONTHS TO LINE EVERYBODY UP.
SO WE MIGHT NOT BE ON THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY, THE CORRELATION OF THE DATA FOR A COUPLE MONTHS.
SO THAT WOULDN'T BE THANKS FOR MEETING.
WELL ESPECIALLY IF I COULD PULL IT TOGETHER AND GET IT BACK OUT TO YOU SO THAT IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING YOU HAD SOME WE START LOOK AT YOU COULD ALL BE TAKING AND PULLING OUT FROM THOSE ANSWERS.
YOU'RE GONNA EMAIL HOPEFULLY GET RESPONSE IN CHECK IS IN PERSON.
I THINK THOSE OPTIONS, I'LL, I'LL DO ALL THE DATABASE I CAN.
SO MAYBE IT'S THE INITIAL I, WHAT I USUALLY DO IN BACKGROUNDS JUST TO, BECAUSE I'M DOING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T ASK TOO MANY QUESTIONS, GET LET THEM KNOW, ET CETERA, IS I TEND TO GO, HERE'S SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
IF IT'S EASIER, IF YOU WANT TO JUST RESPOND ON YOUR TIME AND FILL IN THE QUESTIONS AND TYPE IT IN AND SEND ME AN EMAIL, GREAT.
IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC TIME THAT YOU WANT ME TO CALL YOU OR THAT YOU WANT TO CALL ME AND I CAN HELP YOU AND WALK YOU THROUGH THAT.
AND I GET A VERY OF BOTH AND I SEND THAT EMAIL OUT SO THAT I DO AN INTRODUCTION, WHO I AM THAT WAY.
IT'S NOT LIKE I'M COLD CALLING SOMEONE SAYING, HEY, AND THEY DON'T KNOW.
THE HOPE IS THAT THEY WOULD, BUT AT SOME POINT THEY MAY NOT.
BUT, UH, STARTING OUT WITH AN EMAIL, IF WE HAVE THAT DATABASE PRETTY WELL ESTABLISHED WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, I CAN SEND AT LEAST A INTRODUCTORY KIND OF EMAIL, UM, EITHER GLOBALLY AND SAY, HEY, THESE PEOPLE WILL BE CONTACTING YOU OR I CAN GIVE IT TO YOU AND YOU CAN USE IT IN AN EMAIL EXCHANGE YOURSELF.
WHICH WAY WOULD YOU RATHER DO? WOULD YOU RATHER BE PERSONABLE THROUGH A TEMPLATE OR MAYBE KICK OUT AN EMAIL GENERICALLY THAT GETS ASSIGNMENT? IT'S HARDER FOR ME TO GET AN ASSIGNMENT AND WORK YOUR SCHEDULE THAN YOU, BUT UM, I CAN WORK WITH YOU WHATEVER YOU WANT ME TO DO THERE.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD TRY AND REACH OUT PERSONALLY.
WELL, I CAN KICK OUT AT SOME POINT.
SOME OF THEM MAY WANT THE LIST OF QUESTIONS AND YEAH.
BUT I THINK GENERALLY IT'S GOOD.
SELL 'EM THE CONCEPT OF THAT DATA FLOW FIRST AND THEN BASED ON LIKE, I PREFER IN PERSON, SO I, AS MANY AS I CAN PERSON.
THE ONLY THING IS, UM, WE'RE WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING SOME PERSONAL QUESTIONS AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHO I AM, YOU KNOW, UM, WOULD A, A MESSAGE FROM YOU GIVE ME THE POSITION ME, THEN I WOULD TURN AROUND AND CONTACT THEM OF COURSE.
BUT YEAH, MAYBE THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT IN THAT SENSE IS IF I CAN BUILD THE DATABASE WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS, I, YEAH, IT'S HARDENED TO STOP WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW.
BUT GETTING THAT YOU HAVE EMAILS AND PHONE NUMBERS.
I I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF I HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER.
SO GENERICALLY I'LL SAY YES, MAY NOT BE, BUT THAT'S OKAY TOO.
'CAUSE THAT'S, IF WE ONLY HAVE PHONE NUMBERS, THEN FUNDAMENTALLY THAT'S, THAT EXCLUDES THAT.
BUT IF WE HAVE SOME EMAILS THEN THAT KIND OF BREAKING THE ICE EMAIL THAT SAYS, HEY, A STAFFER TO THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE GENERIC SENSE.
UM, WE'VE, A COUPLE OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WE'RE CALLING FOLKS AND TRYING TO GET MORE DETAIL.
THEY'LL BE IN CONTACT WITH YOU SOON IF
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YOU COULD WORK WITH AND BRA AND MAKE THAT INTRODUCTORY EMAIL.YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD HELP ME.
EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU SHA BECAUSE YOU'RE ON NEXT DOOR AND ALL THOSE OTHER PLACES.
NOT EVERYBODY'S ON NEXT TO HER, WE THINK.
BUT THAT INTRO EMAIL MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO THAT.
AND THEN MAYBE IF I CAN WORK THOSE OUT AND DO, HERE'S THIS AND HERE'S THOSE GROUPS AND WE JUST HAVE A LIST OF WHO HAS RESPONDED AFFIRMATIVELY, I GUESS I'M WILLING TO BE CONTACTED.
I MEAN, I'LL JUST, I'LL DO THE PHONE FIRST AND BE PERSONAL AND LIKE TRY TO SET UP A TIME.
KNOW SOME PEOPLE DON'T RESPOND TO EMAILS.
SAY DON'T CALL IF THEY DON'T RESPOND TO YOUR EMAIL, THEN PHONE CALL.
PEOPLE MIGHT BE TRAVELING GIVEN WEEKS BEFORE YOU GIVE A RESPONSE FROM ANYBODY.
SO IN ADDITION TO THE MISSION STATEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY NEED TO, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY APPROPRIATE TO US START TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE REPORT LOOKS LIKE.
THIS COMMITTEE IS GONNA GENERATE A REPORT OF SOME TIME, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THE OUTLINE OF IT? WHAT SECTIONS DO WE WANT TO HAVE? YEAH.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL, I I WANNA SEND OUT A LINK AGAIN, SO I'M CHECK AND TO THAT BOARD.
SO IF IT'S NOT ONE FROM NEED, FIGURE OUT A DIFFERENT WAY TO YEAH.
COORDINATE THE COMMUNICATION ON THAT.
BUT I THINK, UM, I'M HOPING THAT AT SOME LEVEL, ENOUGH OF THE NOTES AND ENOUGH OF THE DATABASE DEVELOPMENT IS THE BACKGROUND OF OBVIOUSLY, AND THEN ULTIMATELY, WELL LIKE MAYBE YOU'RE TALKING IS THE INTRODUCTION IS HOW DID WE GET TO THIS CONVERSATION AND THEN THE BACKGROUND WE WERE ABLE TO GENERATE.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY HOW THAT TIES IN WITH THE, AND I, I SAY THIS AT LEAST FROM MY MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCES, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO AT LEAST TALK ABOUT THE THINGS YOU DECIDED NOT TO DO OR DECIDED THAT YOU DIDN'T THINK WERE THE RIGHT THINGS.
THERE'S A RISK AT THAT BECAUSE ONCE YOU DO THAT, THEN WELL, LET'S, NOW THEY CAN MAKE THEIR OWN.
BUT FUNDAMENTALLY THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL CAN DO.
BUT IF YOU SAID, WE DECIDED NOT TO DO X, WE DO STILL HAVE TO PUT THAT IN THERE AND THEN ULTIMATELY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT WE DID.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE COMPREHENSIVE IN HEALTHCARE AND RETIREMENT AND ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WERE OUT THERE.
AND WHETHER WE CHOOSE TO DO 'EM OR NOT, I THINK IS THEN ALSO TIES IT BACK TO THE FINAL.
DID, DID YOU GET IT THROUGH, UM, THE LINK, THE ONE YOU SENT AN EMAIL.
IT SENT ME A CODE AND EMAIL AND DA DA.
WHERE'S THE ONE YOU JUST SENT? JUST WORKED.
I'VE SEEN THAT TOO, THESE LINKS THAT OKAY.
SO LOG IN, IT WAS LIKE, AH, SO WORRIED.
WELL, SO HOPEFULLY I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST SHARE WITH YOU THE, THAT LINK.
BUT ULTIMATELY THAT WILL ALSO BE AN AREA WHERE IF YOU CAN THEN UPLOAD YOUR INTERVIEWS, UH, TO UH, PUT A FOLDER FOR INTERVIEWS AND YOU CAN JUST UPLOAD THOSE SO EVERYBODY CAN KIND OF SEE 'EM.
BUT THEN EVENTUALLY I CAN KIND OF CONSOLIDATE THEM INTO SOME RESPONSE.
WITH THAT BEING SAID SIR, IS IT PRESUMPTUOUS OF ME TO SUGGEST A DATE FOR WHEN WE COULD GET BACK TOGETHER? NO, I THINK WE SHOULD.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S MOSTLY STATUSING,
SO IF WE WERE AT THE MID TO END OF AUGUST, WHICH WOULD GIVE US A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO WORK WITH.
YEAH, I'M NOT GOING TO THE LEAD MEETING WEDNESDAY.
THE LEAD MEETING IS 18 AUGUST TOO.
SO IF WE DID THAT 17TH, THIRD, FOURTH IS THAT IT'S AROUND, I GUESS LABOR IS SEVEN FOUR.
EITHER ONE OF THOSE MONDAYS OR THOSE SEEM TO PREFER BOTH FOR ME.
AND SO THEN
AND SO TRYING TO FIX IT TO SAY EIGHT 30 TO 10, IS THAT INSTEAD OF THE 10 PROJECTING? OH YEAH.
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I'VE ONLY GOT THREE MORE INFUSIONS TO GO MAN.SO IF I PROJECTED THE, THE 17TH AT EIGHT 30? YEP, SIR.
I UNFORTUNATELY, I I ON VACATION SOME OF THAT TIME, BUT UH, I WILL GO AS FAST AS I CAN WITH IT.
YEAH, NO, LET'S SEE WHAT WE GOT.
I'LL DO A COUPLE CHECK-INS DURING IT AS WELL TO MAKE SURE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE HAVE TO ADJUST.
AND, AND AGAIN, I TALK ABOUT TIMELINES.
I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE GOAL IS TO BE IN OCTOBER, READY, PRESENTATION AND APPROVAL.
WHERE DOES THE COUNCIL TRANSITION ON NOVEMBER OR IT'S ONLY BACK INTO JANUARY.
HOW YOU TRANSITION IN NOVEMBER? NO, IT TRANSITIONS IN AS SOON AS THE COUNTY CERTIFIES THE RESULTS THAT THEN WE RATIFY WHATEVER THE WORDS ARE FOR THAT.
BUT ASSUMING THAT'S NOT UNTIL AFTER THE TUESDAY IN NOVEMBER.
IT'S USUALLY THE LAST, THE LAST MEETING IN NOVEMBER.
WE, BUT YEAH, I MEAN I SUSPECT THAT NOBODY'S GONNA WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS VERY MUCH BEFORE
AND THEN THE QUESTION WILL BE, AND THAT'LL BE UP TO THE COUNCIL.
THE EFFECTIVE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME WITH THE ATTORNEY WAS THE EFFECTIVENESS WOULD PROLONG UNTIL THE NEXT COUNSEL.
BUT IF YOU KNEW THAT THAT NEXT COUNSEL WAS GONNA BE COMPENSATED X IN THEORY, YOU'VE DONE WHAT YOUR HOPE WAS, IS TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE THERE I'D SAY IT'S TOO LATE
SO MAYBE WE GO A LITTLE LONGER WITH THAT KIND OF STATEMENT, BUT I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT THE GOAL.
IN, IN JULY WE WILL KNOW WHO THE NEXT PAYER'S GONNA BE AND PROBABLY SOME OF THE COUNCIL IF NOT ALL.
ANYONE ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THE, I DO THINK AS I'M SKETCHING LIKE RANDOM JUST THOUGHTS AND IDEAS FOR AN OUTLINE OF A REPORT, EVERYTHING DOES KIND OF COME BACK TO WE CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING WITHOUT THE MISSION STATEMENT.
AND IT NEEDS TO BE LIKE ONE SENTENCE AS CLEAR AND CONCISE BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE IS GONNA KIND OF FUNNEL BACK TO IT.
LIKE THAT'S KINDA LIKE YOU SAID THE NORTH STAR.
LIKE WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE, EVERYTHING ELSE KIND OF BECOMES MUDDLED.
IT'S LIKE WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING HERE? WHY ARE YOU PROPOSING IT? MM-HMM
I WILL UH, DO THE RESEARCH ABOUT WHAT I DID AND WHETHER THERE'S A MISSION STATEMENT I IN THERE AND THE COUNCIL CONVERSATION.
BUT WHETHER THERE'S A MISSION STATEMENT BURIED IN THERE, WE'LL GET THAT OUT HERE.
AND THEN EVERYONE CAN START THINKING ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD MODIFY THAT, ENHANCE IT OR CAN WE MODIFY IT? I MEAN, I ALMOST WONDER LIKE HOW YOU ALWAYS MENTION THE FIRST STATEMENT.
I, THAT WAS A VERY DATABASED STATEMENT.
BUT I KNOW THAT IN THERE COMPENSATION ABOUT DIVERSITY, THEY'RE GONNA BE OKAY BECAUSE I, I KNOW THAT IT WAS, OH I THINK IT WAS IN OUR UH, DECEMBER PRIORITY SETTING IS WHEN I BROUGHT THIS UP.
WELL YOU COULD CONSISTENTLY MESSAGING THAT ACROSS THESE MEETINGS ANYWAYS.
JOHN IS THE INFORMATION THAT PULLED TOGETHER ABOUT THE BED TECH CITIES, IS THAT MOSTLY OH YEAH.
I'LL UH, I'LL CREATE A PDF THAT THAT HAS THE TARGET CITIES AND THEIR LINKS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND IT IS POSTED HISTORICALLY, BUT NOT NECESSARILY.
I MEAN THAT WHAT'S ON THE SHARE DRIVE NOW HAS THIS SPREADSHEET YOU AS A PDF.
SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH THAT PAGE THAT THE TPT BUDGET RATHER THE BUDGET EIGHT AND WE'LL HAVE ALL THE LINKS TO THE SITE.
THE CITIES WILL NOT, BUT I THINK IT'S SEPARATE.
PDF DF GIVES CLARITY ON WHAT CITIES ARE WE GONNA CHASE AFTER.
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'EM ALL.SO WE DO THE ONES THAT WE HAVE THE TPT BAND FOR.
AND THEN MAYBE A COUPLE OTHER SETS INTEREST FOR SOME OTHER REASON.
ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, 1120 THIS MEETING.