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GOOD TO GO? YES.[1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL]
TO ORDER.THIS IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
CAN WE ALL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? THANK YOU.
FROM THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF]
START WITH ANNOUNCEMENTS.UM, I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME OUR NEWEST COMMISSIONER, DAN, DAN EK.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE PUBLIC, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
SO, DAN SEK, UH, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
UM, SO I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF SEDONA FOR SEVEN YEARS NOW.
UM, I SAY MY RELEVANT EXPERIENCE HERE IS I WAS ON CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR IN A SMALL TOWN IN OHIO.
UH, AND I SAT ON THE ZONING COMMISSION THERE FOR 12 YEARS.
SO GOT A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE DOING THIS.
UM, SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF STAFF CHANGES AROUND HERE TO UPDATE YOU ON FIRST.
UM, AS YOU MAY KNOW, KURT CHRISTENSEN'S LAST DAY AS CITY ATTORNEY IS NEXT WEEK.
UM, AND SO MONIQUE CODY, WHO HAS BEEN OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, WILL BE INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY, UM, STARTING AFTER AUGUST 13TH.
UM, AND THEN I'M GONNA BACK IN THE BOX BACK HERE.
WE HAVE SOME UPDATES TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT THAT I'LL LET THEM BRIEF YOU ON.
I'M THE NEW PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, CITY ENGINEER.
UM, I TOOK OVER AFTER KURT HARRIS RETIRED.
UM, AND I'LL BE STEPPING IN FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR ENGINEERING, UM, IN PLACE OF SANDRA PHILLIPS, WHO ALSO RETIRED, WHO WAS OUR ASSISTANT PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
AND THEN, AS YOU KNOW, UH, HANUKAH, UDA IS NO LONGER WITH THE CITY AND WE'VE, UH, REPLACED HER WITH MR. ERIC METZ HERE.
ERIC, UH, IS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER THAT COMES FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR, UM, AND HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE, UM, DESIGNING, UH, DESIGNING FACILITIES.
AND SO HE'LL BE A GOOD REVIEW FOR ENGINEERING FOR, FOR ANY PLANNING AND ZONING PROJECTS.
AND THEN ONE LAST ANNOUNCEMENT, UM, IS THAT THIS YEAR WE HAVE TWO OF YOUR TERMS ARE UP.
SO COMMISSIONER MARTIN AND COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER GAKIS TERMS WILL BE ENDING THE END OF OCTOBER.
UM, THE PRESS RELEASE TO FILL THOSE IS GOING OUT PROBABLY IN THE NEXT WEEK.
IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO REAPPLY, YOU WOULD JUST NEED TO LET MARCY AND THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE KNOW THAT YOU INTEND TO REAPPLY FOR THE POSITION.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO FILL OUT THE FULL APPLICATION AGAIN, BUT ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WHO IS INTERESTED, UM, WOULD BE WELCOME TO PULL AN APPLICATION PACKET FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE OR TALK TO ONE OF US ABOUT WHAT THE DUTIES ARE, UM, AND WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE TO, TO GO THROUGH THAT APPLICATION PROCESS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL OF MY ANNOUNCEMENTS.
CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY USE THE, THE NEW UPDATED INTERVIEW QUESTIONS? YES.
ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS? I HAVE TWO.
UH, IF YOU GET AN EMAIL FROM ME INVITING YOU TO A PARTY, DON'T OPEN IT.
UH, SECONDLY, I JUST WANNA NOTIFY THE COUNCIL, UH, THE COMMISSION THAT AN EMAIL WAS SENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT MY INTEGRITY AND POSTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
I INTENDED TO ONLY ASK QUESTIONS.
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CLOSING AGENDA ITEM TWO.[3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES:]
THREE.UNLESS THERE'S ANY, ANY SORT OF COMMENTS OR REVISIONS, WE WILL ASSUME THAT THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC FORUM.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS 38 DASH 4 3 1 18.
ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS, SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THAT ITEM AND MOVE
[5.a. Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for a Time Extension to extend the expiration date for construction of the Village at Saddlerock Crossing (100-unit hotel and 46 housing units). The property is located at 1259 W State Route 89A. APN: 408-26-004D.]
ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES, PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR A TIME EXTENSION TO EXTEND THE EXPIRATION DATE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE VILLAGE AT SADDLE ROCK CROSSING A HUNDRED UNIT HOTEL AND 46 HOUSING UNITS.THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 2 5 9 WEST STATE ROUTE 89 A A PN 4 0 8 2 6 0 0 4 D.
I BELIEVE THAT'S ANOTHER ZERO.
FOURT ORIGINAL APPLICATION, PZ NINE DASH 0 0 0 5.
ZONE CHANGE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
OWNER APPLICANT, BANEY CORPORATION, KURT BANEY AND TRAVIS HANSON.
SO, WELL, I CAN START JUST TO INTRODUCE THIS ITEM.
I DON'T HAVE A, A PRESENTATION, BUT, UM, ALL OF THE INFORMATION WAS IN YOUR PACKET.
THE, THIS APPLICATION WAS APPROVED BACK IN SEP LIKE COUNSEL BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024.
BY CODE, YOU HAVE TWO YEARS TO GET YOUR BUILDING PERMITS AND, UM, WHILE THEIR BUILDING PERMITS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ISSUED YET.
SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A TIME EXTENSION, UM, BY CODE, THE FIRST YOU'RE ALLOWED UP TO TWO TIME EXTENSIONS WITH THE FIRST ONE BEING FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO YEARS.
AND IN A EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES OR SOME LANGUAGE IN THE CODE ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SECOND ONE, YOU COULD GET AN ADDITIONAL THREE YEARS, BUT THIS WOULD JUST BE THE FIRST EXTENSION FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO YEARS.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT HAS A SHORT PRESENTATION AS WELL.
THEY CAN COME UP TO THE TABLE OVER THERE.
CAN I ASK A CLARIFICATION QUESTION ABOUT THAT CODE REAL QUICK? YEAH, YEAH.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE INTENTION OF THE EXPIRATION DATE? LIKE WHAT MM-HMM
WHY DOES IT EXIST IN THE CODE? UM, SO THE EXPIRATION DATE WOULD BE BECAUSE, UM, CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE IF YOU DON'T DO THE PROJECT THAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA DO WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PUBLIC NOTICING REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THAT.
SO THE, THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE THAT AT SOME POINT YOU WOULD NEED TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS IN ORDER TO GET IT APPROVED AGAIN.
SO IT'S LIKE A PROJECT DOESN'T STAY WITH THE LAND, LIKE RIGHT.
SO THE INTENTION OF THE CODE IS SAYING THIS PROJECT HAS TO BE COMPLETED IN BLANK AMOUNT OF TIME BECAUSE CODE CHANGES, INTENTIONS CHANGE.
AND EVEN LIKE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IF YOU DON'T USE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR TWO YEARS, IT WOULD EXPIRE AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET IT AGAIN.
IF YOU'VE GONE TWO YEARS WITHOUT USING IT.
HAS IT ALWAYS BEEN IN THE CODE LIKE THIS? UM, SO IT ACTUALLY USED TO BE FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, IT USED TO BE A ONE YEAR TIMEFRAME, WHICH WAS REALLY TIGHT FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND AND GET PERMITS FOR SOME OF THE LARGER PROJECTS.
SO IT WAS EXTENDED TO A TWO YEAR TIMEFRAME, UM, IN 2018.
WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE ME THERE, YOU'LL HAVE TO JUST TELL ME WHEN TO ADVANCE THE SLIDES 'CAUSE I HAVE IT HERE, HERE TOO.
OH, AND JUST ONE MORE, BECAUSE THIS WAS ULTIMATELY APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
YOUR ACTION TONIGHT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, AND THIS WILL GO TO COUNCIL AT A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL.
SO COUNCIL HAS TO IF APPROVE THIS AS WELL.
BECAUSE THEY ORIGINALLY APPROVED THE, UM, ZONE CHANGE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW REQUEST.
AND SO YOUR ACTION TONIGHT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL? OR WILL WE, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
IF WE DON'T APPROVE IT AND THEY DON'T APPROVE IT, HYPOTHETICALLY THE ZONE CHANGE ALSO FLIPS, OR JUST THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
SO IF THEY DO NOT GET PERMITS ISSUED BY THEIR EXPIRATION DATE, UM, THE CITY WOULD THEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO AND REVERT THE ZONING.
MY NAME IS ALEX HAYES, 2121 EAST HIGHLAND AVENUE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE APPLICANT.
UM, WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
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PRETTY, UM, YOU KNOW, SIMPLE REQUEST FOR AN EXTENSION OF THE ALREADY APPROVED, UM, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR, FOR THOSE OF YOU, I KNOW THERE'S SOME NEW MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, BUT, UM, THIS WAS A, A ENTITLEMENT FOR A PROJECT THAT IS ULTIMATELY WAS FOR, APPROVED FOR A HUNDRED KEY BOUTIQUE HOTEL AND, UH, SOME WORKFORCE HOUSING.UH, IT WAS THE RESULT OF AN EXTENSIVE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS THAT ORIGINALLY, ORIGINALLY WAS SUBMITTED IN 2019, ULTIMATELY APPROVED, UM, IN 2024.
AND IT, IN THAT INTERVENING PERIOD, THERE WAS EXTENSIVE OUTREACH WITH, UM, THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND, UM, WORKING WITH STAFF AND WORKING WITH COUNCIL, UH, TO GET TO THE, THE RESULT OF A PROJECT THAT REALLY WILL BE A, A GREAT ADDITION TO SEDONA AND BRING, I THINK IMPORTANTLY, UH, ADDITIONAL WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS, UM, TO THE CITY.
UM, AS STAFF MENTIONED, APPROVAL IS SUBJECT TO A TWO YEAR, UM, TIMEFRAME IN WHICH, UH, THE APPLICANT AND, UH, DEVELOPER HAS TO, UH, RECEIVE PERMITS AND COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION.
THE, THE CODE THAT IS, I THINK ONE YEAR IS EXCEPTIONALLY TIGHT TO, TO ACHIEVE THAT.
AND TWO YEARS I THINK IS ALSO, UH, A CHALLENGE UNDER MANY CIRCUMSTANCES, CERTAINLY ON A, ON A, A PROJECT THAT IS HAS COMPLICATED LIKE THIS ONE WITH MULTIPLE DEVELOPMENT TYPES WITHIN IT.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A, A, A BOUTIQUE HOTEL, UH, FOOD AND BEVERAGE AND THE WORKFORCE HOUSING KIND OF RESIDENTIAL PIECE.
THOSE ARE KIND OF DIFFERENT, UM, IN A, IN A SUB TRADING GARAGE.
THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT REQUIRES, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT ENGINEERING AND, AND, UM, DESIGN WORK AND JUST TAKES TIME.
THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS WAS THAT, UH, THROUGH THAT ENTITLEMENT PROCESS AND THE WORK, UH, THAT LED ULTIMATELY TO AN APPROVAL, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, THAT REQUIRED SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES AND REVISIONS POST ENTITLEMENT APPROVAL, UH, BEFORE THEY COULD GO IN AND ACTUALLY SUBMIT, UH, PLANS THAT WERE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE CONDITIONS.
THE FIRST CRITERIA IN THE ORDINANCE IS THAT THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND THE CONTROL, UH, OF THE APPLICANT THAT PREVENTED, UH, TIMELY PURSUIT OF THE, OF THE PERMITS IN THIS CASE.
PART OF THAT CHALLENGE WAS JUST REVISING THE PLANS THAT WERE CREATED AT, AT ALREADY SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE TO, TO ACHIEVE THE, UH, CONFORMANCE WITH THOSE CONDITIONS.
THERE WERE JUST CERTAIN, UH, DESIGN CHANGES AND, UM, COMPONENTS OF THE PLAN THAT NEEDED TO, HAS SIGNIFICANT REWORKING TO IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THOSE STIPULATIONS OF APPROVAL.
UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY WORKING THROUGH THOSE CONDITIONS, THEY WERE, AND WORKING WITH STAFF ALL ALONG THE WAY.
I THINK PART OF THE, OUR SUBMITTAL PACKET, YOU CAN SEE THE EXTENSIVE COORDINATION THAT THE APPLICANT HAD WITH STAFF, UM, OVER THE, LET'S SAY, NEXT YEAR AFTER APPROVAL TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE THERE WAS CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS THAT WERE ABLE TO BE SUBMITTED TO BEGIN THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REVIEW PROCESS IN EARNEST.
UM, BUT THE PERMIT SETS WERE SUBMITTED ULTIMATELY IN MARCH, UH, ON MARCH 5TH OF THIS YEAR, UH, AT STAFF'S DIRECTION.
THEY, THOSE PERMIT SETS WERE KIND OF BROKEN INTO THREE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS AND SUBMITTED, UH, SEPARATELY TO KIND OF AID THE REVIEW PROCESS.
THOSE CORRECTIONS WERE FIRST RETURNED IN JUNE, JUST A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, UM, AND ARE CURRENTLY BEING WORKED THROUGH NOW FOR RESUBMITTAL.
THE SECOND CRITERIA FOR EXTENSION APPROVAL, AND THIS IS, THIS IS AN OR THIS IS NOT AN AND CRITERIA.
SO AN APPLICANT REQUESTING A TIME EXTENSION JUST NEEDS TO, UH, ACHIEVE ONE OF THESE CRITERIA.
UM, BUT, AND IN THIS CASE, WE, THE APPLICANT SATISFIES BOTH EXTENSION CRITERIA, AND THIS ONE IS REQUIRES THAT, UM, EITHER SUBSTANTIAL PROPERTY IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED OR THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT, UH, MONETARY EXPENDITURES OR COMMITMENTS, UH, WORKING TOWARDS, UH, RECEIVING PERMITS AND COMMENCING INSTRUCTION.
IN THIS CASE, UH, THE APPLICANT DEVELOPER HAS, HAS EXPENDED ABOUT ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN CREATING THE, THE, THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AND PERMITS SET, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THEY'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED AND JUST RECEIVED, UM, OUR FIRST COMMENTS AND ARE WORKING THROUGH, UM, THAT RESUBMITTAL, UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
SO THEN, IF EITHER OF THOSE CRITERIA ARE MET, THE, THE NEXT KIND OF STEP IN, IN THE PROCESS AND THAT THE, THE ORDINANCE LAYS OUT IS THAT, UM, JUST DEMONSTRATION THAT THE APPLICANT IS DILIGENTLY PURSUING, UH, IMPLEMENTATION OF THE, OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT IT WAS AUTHORIZED BY THE CITY, AND CERTAINLY THAT'S EVIDENCED BY THE FACT THAT THEY'RE WORKING TOWARDS THESE PLAN SETS THAT ARE CONFORMING WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
UM, AND THEN JUST MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CURRENT WITH FEES AND THAT THERE'S NO, UM, ZONING VIOLATIONS OR COMPLAINTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY.
ALL ALL OF THAT IS TRUE ON, ON THE SITE.
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FEES, UH, AND THE PROPERTY IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY CODE VIOLATIONS.UM, SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE ARE, WE'RE REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL TWO YEAR EXTENSION OR A TWO YEAR EXTENSION, UM, OF THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPROVAL.
UH, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA NEED TWO YEARS, BUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING TODAY.
WHILE, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S CURRENTLY, UH, WE'RE GETTING READY TO MAKE OUR RESUBMITTAL, SO I THINK, UM, WE'LL HAVE, BE WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
WELL WITHIN THAT TWO YEAR TIMEFRAME.
I THINK IMPORTANT TO NOTE, THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE PLAN, UM, FROM WHAT WAS APPROVED.
THIS IS JUST, UM, WORKING THROUGH THE SIGNIFICANT DESIGN AND ENGINEERING, UM, EFFORT THAT IS REQUIRED FOR ACHIEVING THE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED.
UM, SO WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, GRATEFUL TO WORK WITH STAFF OVER THIS TIME TO, TO BRING THIS PROJECT FORWARD AND, UM, GRATEFUL FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL ON THIS EXTENSION.
AND, UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS HERE WITH US TODAY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I'M NOT ABLE TO ANSWER, SO OKAY.
I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UH, SO FIRST QUESTION FOR STAFF IS STAFF RESPONSE TIME AT ALL A CAUSE FOR THE NEED FOR THIS EXTENSION? UM, SO WE DID TAKE A, WE HAD SOME STAFF CHANGES IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR SUBMITTAL, SO THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN NORMAL, BUT, UM, I THINK THEY STILL WOULD'VE NEEDED SOME KIND OF EXTENSION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE IN AUGUST AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE PERMITS BACK IN.
SO WE'RE, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE IS, BUT IT'S PROBABLY A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
AND THEN, UM, MY READING OF THE EXTENSION REQUEST WAS IT'S A MAXIMUM OF TWO YEARS, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY BE APPROVING LESS TIME.
IS THAT TRUE? THAT WOULD BE MY UNDERSTANDING.
UM, YEAH, THE, THE FIRST EXTENSION IS FOR A MAXIMUM OF TWO YEARS.
SO THE SCHEDULE THAT YOU GUYS PROVIDED IN THE PACKET, ANTICIPATES YOU'RE GONNA BE DONE IN DECEMBER.
WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR TWO YEARS, NOT ONE YEAR OR EIGHT MONTHS OR SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES TWO? YEAH, UH, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER.
I, I THINK IT'S A FAIR QUESTION.
IT, I THINK THE DESIRES JUST NOT NEED TO BE COMING BACK TO YOU AGAIN AND, AND WASTING I THINK EVERYBODY'S TIME, UM, WITH THIS KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.
THERE'S, THE DEVELOPER AND THE APPLICANT HERE HAVE, HAVE INVESTED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT IN BRINGING THIS, YOU KNOW, PROJECT TO FRUITION.
AND THEN I THINK THEY'RE MORE INCENTIVIZED THAN ANYBODY TO GET THIS PROJECT OUTTA THE GROUND.
UM, THE REQUEST IS JUST THAT THIS IS WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, ALLOWED FOR UNDER THE CODE AND, UM, PROBABLY THE MOST EFFICIENT THING IS TO, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR THIS EXTENSION FOR TWO YEARS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, I MEAN, WE READ IT IN THE, IN THE PACKET, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND, UM, I MEAN IT WAS RELATIVELY, RELATIVELY RECENTLY THAT YOU HAD TO SPLIT IT INTO THREE SEPARATE PACKAGES, CORRECT.
I THINK IT WAS FEBRUARY-ISH TIMEFRAME.
I MEAN, AND WHEN YOU HAVE 600 AND SOMETHING SHEETS, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG EFFORT IN ORDER TO DO THAT AS WELL.
AND SO MAYBE YOU COULD EXPLAIN WHAT THE BENEFITS OF DOING THAT WERE OR WHY THAT RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE I THINK THAT ADDS TIME AS WELL.
AND, AND MAYBE I COULD ASK TRAVIS TO COME UP HERE AND DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT, OR MAYBE PERHAPS STAFF, I KNOW THAT WAS A REQUEST FROM STAFF, BUT I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE IT IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND LIKE THINGS LIKE THIS DO HAPPEN DURING THE PERMIT APPROVAL PROCESS THAT CAN SOMETIMES BE UNEXPECTED AND LENGTHEN.
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK PART OF IT'S JUST TO KIND OF EASE THE REVIEW PROCESS TO MAKE IT, UM, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE INTO MORE BITE-SIZED CHUNKS OF, OF REVIEWING AND PROVIDING COMMENTS.
UM, SO THAT IT MAYBE THE MORE EFFICIENT PROCESS IS TO ALLOW, UM, THOSE INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS OF THE, OF THE PROJECT TO BE REVIEWED SEPARATELY.
I'D ALSO SAY THAT IN PAST PROJECT, NOT IN THIS, NOT THIS PROJECT, BUT JUST CITYWIDE, UM, WHEN PEOPLE INCLUDE TOO MUCH ON ONE, UH, PERMIT, IT REALLY COMPLICATES THE CLOSING OUT OF THE PERMIT AT THE END OF THE PROCESS WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT, IF EVERYTHING IS ON ONE PERMIT, BUT THIS BUILDING'S DONE, THIS ONE'S NOT, UM, UNDERSTANDING WHAT INSPECTIONS GO, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT, IF IT JUST HAS ONE PERMIT IN OUR SYSTEM, YOU HAVE A FOOTING INSPECTION AND IT'S CAN BE DIFFICULT TO DISCERN WHICH BUILDING THAT WAS FOR IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS ON ONE PERMIT.
SO JUST FROM A EASE OF REVIEW, BUT ALSO A, AN EASE OF TRACKING THINGS THROUGHOUT THE PERMIT PROCESS.
UM, IT'S BEST TO SEPARATE THEM AND THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO TECHNICALLY IF THEY FINISH THE RESTAURANT BEFORE THE HOUSING, OR
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VICE VERSA, THEY COULD GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR ONE, THEIR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL REQUIRE THAT ALL HOUSING CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY BE ISSUED BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE.BUT YES, THEY COULD GET THOSE BEFORE THAT.
SO IT'S, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT AND NOTABLE THAT THAT ADDS TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE THAT, THAT, THAT MUCH GOING ON.
UM, OTHER COMMENTS? UM, ONE SUBMISSION IS DONE.
THEY'RE WORKING ON FIRST REVISION COMMENTS OR TWO.
UM, YEAH, JUST THE FIRST, FIRST, UM, HOW OFTEN DO PROJECTS OF THESE SIZE NOT HAVE A THIRD SUBMISSION? I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY RARE.
UM, HOPEFULLY BY THE THIRD SUBMISSION IT'S SOME MINOR THINGS.
BUT, UM, YEAH, YOU'RE USUALLY LOOKING AT AT LEAST ONE MORE.
I MEAN, THEY COULD BE PERFECT WHEN THEY COME BACK IN.
AND SO, SO I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
IT WAS DEFINITELY A QUESTION OF HOW OFTEN, RIGHT.
WHICH AS A PERSON WHO'S DONE THREE REVISIONS FOR A PROJECT BEFORE YEAH.
I, I JUST THINK IT'S WORTH THE COMMISSION NOTING THAT THIS IS THEIR SECOND REVISION AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF A THIRD IS NOT ZERO AND THEY GET THREE.
I MEAN, TECHNICALLY THEY GET JUST GET TWO, BUT YOU GET TO SUBMIT A THIRD TIME IN MY HEAD, YOU SUBMIT THE PACKET THREE TIMES, YOU GET TWO FORMS OF, WELL, IF THEY'RE CLOSE, WE'LL WORK WITH THEM.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TALK TO STEVE ABOUT DIFFERENT TIMEFRAMES.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IF, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THERE'S PERMITS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE MAKING CHANGES THAT AREN'T RELATED TO OUR COMMENTS, THEN THAT OPENS THE DOOR FOR DIFFERENT REVIEW.
AND, BUT I MEAN, ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS, I WOULD ASSUME, YEAH, THERE WOULD LIKELY BE ANOTHER ONE.
BUT THEN I WOULD ALSO ASSUME THAT DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS WE WOULD BE PROCESSING REVISIONS AS, UM, THEY START CONSTRUCTION AND REALIZE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT MATERIALS ARE AVAILABLE, BUT YOU KNOW, EACH ONE WE HAVE TO REVIEW FOR COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED.
IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE OUR HOPE TO GET IT RIGHT THE NEXT TIME.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S WITH THE PROJECT AS AS COMPLICATED AS THIS ONE, IT IT HAPPENS.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S A CLEAR MUTUALLY AGREED UPON ROADMAP MOVING FORWARD IN ORDER TO GET THIS THROUGH? I DO CHAIR, I, I I, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE DEVELOPER AND STAFF ARE, ARE ROWING IN THE SAME DIRECTION ON THIS.
WE'VE, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR ARCHITECT AS WELL MM-HMM
TO GO OVER QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAD ABOUT THE COMMENTS THAT WE MADE AND, UM, HOW THEY COULD ADDRESS THE COMMENTS.
THEY ARE, WE'VE HAD THOSE MEETINGS.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING, I KNOW THIS IS PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT AS YOU NOTICE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T HERE THE FIRST TIME.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO NOTE SOME OF THE KEY COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT THIS PROJECT'S GONNA BRING TO THE AREA? I THINK WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
I MIGHT INVITE SOME OTHER MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM UP 'CAUSE THEY WERE MORE INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN THAT ENTITLEMENT PROCESS THAN I WAS.
SORRY, I KNOW I JUST PUT YOU ON THE SPOT,
HAYDEN VAY, UH, LIVE IN BEND, OREGON, BUT, UH, BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR A LONG TIME.
I THINK WE STARTED BUYING THE, THE LAND IN AROUND 2005.
SO WE'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME.
UM, YEAH, WE EXPLORED THE DIFFERENT, UM, OPPORTUNITIES WE HAD FOR COMMUNITY BENEFIT EXTENSIVELY, UH, THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, THE ZONE CHANGE WAS A BIG ASK AND SO WE TRIED TO MAKE A COMMENSURATE, UM, OFFERING TO THE CITY.
UM, THERE'S A FEW THINGS, AND IT WAS A WHILE AGO NOW, BUT, UM, MINOR THING WE HELPED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CLOSE THE FIRE LOOP.
IT WAS A PART OF OUR, UM, PROJECT THAT, THAT, UH, AIDED THE, UM, CIRCULATION OF WATER FOR THAT DISTRICT.
I REMEMBER, UM, WE MADE AN ENDOWMENT TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY TO HELP WITH, UH, THE NEELY CEMETERY, UM, PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION OF THAT.
UM, ALONG WITH SOME DIFFERENT, UH, UM, HISTORICAL EXHIBITS WE'LL SAY, THAT ARE GONNA BE IN THE HOTEL.
UM, TO SPEAK TO THE HISTORY OF, OF SEDONA.
UM, AND LET'S SEE, JUST THINKING OF THESE OFF THE CUFF A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
YEAH, THE CONNECTOR ROAD THAT PROVIDES SIGNALIZE ACCESS TO SIDEWALK CIRCLE THERE.
UM, WE THINK IT'S GONNA REALLY IMPROVE THE SAFETY OF THAT, THAT INTERSECTION WHERE BEFORE YOU USED TO HAVE TO MAKE THAT, THAT LEFT TURN ON 89 A UNSIGNED.
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THERE FOR A SAFER, SAFER TURNOUT THERE.UM, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S MORE.
AND THEN OF COURSE THE, THE 46 PROBABLY THE BIGGEST YEAH.
THE 46 UNITS OF, OF UM, WORKFORCE HOUSING.
PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTION WE ARE IS, IS THE HOUSING.
UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT EARLIER TODAY.
UH, LOOKING BACK ON DIFFERENT HOTELS CONTRIBUTIONS TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I KNOW THAT OURS ISN'T STRICTLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IT'S MORE WORKFORCE HOUSING, A LITTLE HIGHER RENT RANGES.
UM, WHICH WAS DECIDED UPON AT BEHEST OF THE, UM, THE CITY.
WE HAD TO HIRE A MI RANGES THERE, BUT, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONTRIBUTION TO HOUSING IN, IN, UH, SEDONA, THIS PROJECT, UM, FAR SURPASSES ANY, ANY HOTEL IN THE PAST, UM, BY 10 TIMES.
I, I WOULD SAY IT WAS WHAT, WHAT I'VE SEEN.
SO, UM, THAT WAS A MAJOR, MAJOR COMPONENT THERE.
UM, I, I CAN HELP ADD TO THAT.
I REMEMBER THIS PROJECT VERY WELL WHEN IT CAME UP.
UM, WHAT I REALLY APPRECIATED WAS I FELT LIKE IT WAS A MODEL FOR EMERGING BEST PRACTICES FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE HOUSING WAS SOMETHING THAT STOOD OUT FOR ME, THE FACT THAT IT WAS AN INFILL PROJECT, SO IT WAS APPROPRIATELY LOCATED TO BE ABLE TO WALK.
UM, YOU SEEMED TO HAVE A VERY HIGH COMMITMENT TO SUSTAINABILITY AND SUSTAINABILITY PRACTICES, WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATED AS WELL.
UM, I ALSO LIKED THAT YOU WERE PROPOSING ACTUAL ART AS OPPOSED TO JUST DONATING TO THE ART FUND.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STILL APPLICABLE, BUT I APPRECIATED THAT AS WELL.
'CAUSE A LOT OF PROJECTS JUST, YOU KNOW, FUNNEL MONEY, BUT I LIKE THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA DO SOMETHING.
UM, AND I ALSO KIND OF VAGUELY REMEMBER, AND THIS MAY OR MAY NOT BE A CORRECT MENTION ABOUT POSSIBLY PARTNERING WITH NAU, SOME SORT OF HOSPITALITY PROGRAM OR OUTREACH THAT WOULD ALSO HELP US IN OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND BE ABLE TO RETAIN YOUTH TO COME BACK AND ACTUALLY WORK AT THAT PROJECT.
AND IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE CORRECT ME.
BUT IT JUST, IT STOOD OUT TO ME.
AND SO I WANTED TO REFRESH PEOPLE'S MEMORY AS TO WHY THIS WAS A POSITIVE PROJECT THAT THAT WAS UNANIMOUSLY PASSED AT, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
NOT, NOT UNANIMOUSLY IT WAS NOT UNANIMOUS.
YOUR NOTES SAY, DID I, DID I SAY SOMETHING WRONG? BUT YEAH, IT, IT WAS, SEE I THOUGHT IT WAS NOT SORRY, SORRY IF THE NOTES AND IT SAID SEVEN OH.
AND I WAS LIKE, OH, REALLY? I MUST HAVE MISSED SOMETHING.
IT WAS A FOUR THREE VOTE COUNCIL.
YEAH, I DON'T REMEMBER IT BEING UNANIMOUS EITHER.
UM, YEAH, WE STILL HAVE PLANS TO WORK WITH ANY U UM, UH, JUST LIKE OUR OTHER PARTNERSHIPS WITH, UH, CHICO STATE, UM, AND CALIFORNIA AND WASHINGTON STATE UNIVERSITY, WASHINGTON, UM, OSU, CASCADES AND BEND.
SO YEAH, WE, WE HAVE PLANS TO DO THAT.
WE ALREADY HAVE REACHED OUT AND HAVE COMMUNICATIONS GOING AND, UM, WE DO GET A LOT OF GOOD, UH, TALENT FROM THOSE SCHOOLS AND HAVE HAD GREAT SUCCESS.
SO, UM, HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE THE SAME WITH ANY OF YOU.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND.
I APPRECIATE YOU REMINDING US OF ALL THOSE ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT.
WELL, IT'S BEEN A WHILE FOR PEOPLE AND, YOU KNOW, NEW COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
AND SO I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION, AND THIS AGAIN IS FOR THE PUBLIC.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, THERE'S BEEN, WE GOT RECEIVED SOME COMMENTS ABOUT HOW THAT PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE A CONSTRUCTION STORAGE DUMP.
SO CAN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE WITH ARIZONA WATER AND WATER, NOT ARIZONA WATER, IT'S OAK CREEK WATER COMPANY HAS A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT TO USE THAT AS A LAY DOWN YARD STAGING FOR THEIR, UM, PROJECT WHERE THEY'RE REPLACING ALL OF THE WATER PIPES IN THEIR WATER DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE SOUTH SIDE OF 89 A FROM ESSENTIALLY WALGREENS TO CVS.
SO THEY'RE USING THAT AS A STAGING AREA.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN, THEY DID GET A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT FOR THAT.
AND HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THAT THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROJECT SCHEDULE IS, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT AS, UM, YEAH, THE PROPERTY OWNER MIGHT BE ABLE TO KNOW MORE 'CAUSE THEY HAVE GIVEN PERMISSION TO USE THAT PROPERTY.
UH, WE JUST SPOKE WITH THE FOREMAN TODAY OUT THERE, AND HE SAID AROUND 10 MONTHS IS WHAT HE WAS THINKING.
UM, BUT OUR TIMELINES MAY BE CONVERGING ON EACH OTHER, SO WE'LL SEE ABOUT THAT.
SO AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS EXTENSION AND THEN WE, THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO MUCH BECAUSE THE WATER FOLKS, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE, IS THIS VEHICLE A PROBLEM? IS THERE PROPERTY THEY CAN HAVE THE WATER FOLKS LEAVE IF THEY NEED TO USE IT FOR CONSTRUCTION? IT'S, IT'S THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY CAN KICK THEM OFF IF THEY NEED TO.
SO, OKAY, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY I GUESS.
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OKAY.UM, A COMMUNITY THING, NOT, YOU KNOW, JOE'S CONSTRUCTION SITE STORING MY, MY STUFF THERE.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A REALLY, THE PIPE PROJECT IS ACTUALLY A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA AND ITS RESIDENTS FOR SAFETY.
SO MY, I HEAR WHAT YOU JUST SAID, BUT WOULD YOU REALLY SAY THAT IF, IF WE, IF IF THERE WAS A CONFLICT WAS SCHEDULED, THAT YOU WOULD TELL THE OWNER TO GO, HEY, GO, GO TELL 'EM TO GO FIND ANOTHER PLACE.
BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE BETWEEN THE OWNER AND THE PEOPLE USING THEIR PROPERTY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THE NEXT AGENDA
[Additional Item]
ITEM IS DEALING WITH OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.AND, UH, YOU'VE GONE THROUGH IT, I'M SURE IN GREAT DETAIL ON YOUR PROJECT WORKING OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
AND I WOULD, UH, MY QUESTION IS, CAN YOU MENTION AS WE EVALUATE OUR LDC, UM, THIS IS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THIS AGENDA ITEM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TIME EXTENSION, ASKING, ASKING SUGGESTIONS OR ISSUES SURE.
THAT THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
YOU COULD CERTAINLY, UM, ASK, UH, THE REPRESENTATIVE IF HE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO STICK AROUND AND PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH THIS AGENDA ITEM.
I THINK, UM, I'M SURE THEY HAVE LOTS OF THOUGHTS.
I MEAN, PERHAPS IT COULD BE REWORDED FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, UM, WOULD'VE HAVE BEEN THE CHALLENGES IN NAVIGATING THE PROCESS.
IS THAT RELEVANT? UH, CHAIR COMMISSIONER AS A ZONING ATTORNEY, HE'S WORKED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS.
I'VE YET TO FIND A PERFECT DEVELOPMENT CODE.
UM, EVERY JURISDICTION, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CHALLENGES TO WORK THROUGH.
UM, I THINK WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SUBMIT SOME COMMENTS, UM, ON, ON MAYBE AREAS THAT WE THINK THERE, UH, MIGHT BE FOR IMPROVEMENT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE PREPARED TO, TO, UM, OFFER ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY.
IF THERE'S NO MORE COMMENTS, I'M GONNA OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC.
IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD.
EACH PERSON WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
THE FIRST PERSON, AND PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF I GET THIS WRONG, MICHAEL VITON VI VITON, PLEASE SAY YOUR NAME AND, UH, CITY OF RESIDENCE.
AND MY QUESTION IS PRIMARILY FOR STAFF.
WHEN THE COUNCIL APPROVED THIS TWO YEARS AGO, STAFF STOOD UP AND SAID, WE HAVE SOME OBJECTIONS TO THIS PROJECT BECAUSE SOME OF THE PRO, SOME OF THE ITEMS WERE NOT APPROVED YET AND WERE NOT DONE BY THE COMPANY.
THE COUNCIL APPROVED IT ANYWAY.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WERE THO HAVE THOSE ITEMS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF AND COVERED COMPLETELY TO STAFF SATISFACTION? SECONDLY, WE TALKED ABOUT A CODE VIOLATION.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS DRIVE PAST THAT PROPERTY AND THE WEEDS ARE YAY TALL.
THEY NOT EVEN COUNTING OAK CREEK WATERS AREA, THAT'S OKAY.
BUT THE SURROUNDING AREA IS TOTALLY IN VIOLATION OF THE CODES FOR HOW HIGH THE WEEDS ARE.
UH, THE COMPANY HAS CAME THERE ONCE AND DID A LITTLE WEED EATING ALONG THE EDGES, BUT THEY'VE NEVER TAKEN CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY EVER SINCE THEY'VE PURCHASED IT.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENT TO MAKE ON THE NATURE OF THE PROJECT ITSELF.
WHAT I DO WANT TO COMMENT ON IS THE PROCESS THAT'S BEEN REQUIRED TO GET TO THIS POINT ON THE PROJECT AND THE WAY IN WHICH THIS PROCESS REFLECTS AGAIN FOR OUR BENEFIT CITY STAFF'S, DISHONESTY AND OBSTRUCTION.
I REMEMBER READING IN THE PACKET THAT THE APPLICANTS HAVE SUBMITTED 633 SHEETS, AND YET CARRIE MEYER OVER HERE STILL APPARENTLY DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO KNOW IF SHE CAN GIVE THEM A BUILDING PERMIT OR NOT.
IS THAT A JOKE? IS THAT MEANT TO BE A FUNNY JOKE? THIS PROCESS WASN'T DESIGNED TO GET TO A YES, THIS PROCESS AND THE CODE THAT BACKS IT UP WERE DESIGNED TO GET TO A NO, THEY WERE DESIGNED TO FAIL.
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GUYS ARE TRYING TO BUILD A HOTEL OVER HERE, BUT I REALLY HOPE THAT AT SOME POINT THEY TAKE A LITTLE EXTRA TIME TO SUE THE CITY UNDER SB 1487 FOR THE AMOUNT OF EXTRA COSTS THAT KERRY MEYER AND CITY STAFF HAVE ADDED TO THEIR PROJECT.A PROCESS THAT IS DESIGNED TO FAIL IS DEPRIVATION OF PROPERTY RIGHTS.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENTS, I WILL CLOSE THE OPEN PUBLIC COMMENTS AND RETURN IT TO THE COMMISSION.
DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I DO.
I SAT ON THE COMMISSION WHEN THIS FIRST WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND, AND, UM, AND SO I'M HERE TO SEE THE CONTINUANCE OR REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE OF THE PERMIT.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY, UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT INFILL PROJECT I LIVE BY THERE.
I THINK IT'D BE A GREAT, A GREAT THING TO SEE ON A REGULAR BASIS.
I ALSO THOUGHT, AND I'M SURE THERE WERE OTHER REASONS, BUT I, I REALLY THOUGHT UTILIZING THAT SPACE TO HELP IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY BASED WATER PIPELINE WAS A GOOD USE FOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S A PROPERTY THAT'S NOT BEING USED.
IT HELPS FACILITATE US GETTING WATER TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE AND HELPS OUR COMMUNITY WITH STRONGER WATER PRESSURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR, UH, FOR THE WATER COMPANY.
SO, UM, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND, AND, AND ALLOWING THAT TO HAPPEN.
UM, I'M EXCITED TO SEE THIS COME AND, AND, AND I AM OBVIOUSLY IN FAVOR OF THIS, AND I, UM, I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE BUILDINGS GO UP AND THE HOUSING AND, AND HAVE THAT SPACE ACTIVATED.
SO THANKS FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
APPRECIATE YOU GUYS DOING THIS AGAIN.
ANYBODY ELSE? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MOVE TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER PZ 26 0 0 0 4 VILLAGE AT SADDLE ROCK CROSSING TIME EXTENSION, CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVAL CRITERIA IN THE LDC SECTION, 8.3 POINT H 3D, AND SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL LISTED AT THE END OF THE STAFF REPORT.
ALL OPPOSED? NOBODY PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
UM, AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S AWARENESS, WE DO HAVE THIS SCHEDULED FOR, I BELIEVE, SEPTEMBER 8TH AT CITY COUNCIL.
UM, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC NOTICE, AND IF ANYONE HAS PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE, UM, IF AS LONG AS WE GET THEM IN ADVANCE OF THAT MEETING, THEY'LL PROVIDE IT TO CITY COUNCIL IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING.
[6. Discussion/possible direction regarding potential changes to the Land Development Code.]
ITEM NUMBER SIX, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.I'LL GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN IF THAT'S OKAY.
IS THIS ON? UM, SO WE ARE EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THAT THE SOFTWARE PACKAGE THAT WE WERE HOPING TO USE, WE NOW HAVE.
SO, UM, THAT HAS BEEN THE CAUSE OF, OF A BIT OF A DELAY.
AS YOU'LL RECALL, UM, I FIRST CAME TO YOU AND PRESENTED THE IDEA OF THE CODE CRITIQUE, UM, IN APRIL, UH, WHEN WE WERE GOING TO START IN APRIL, WELL, WE WERE A LITTLE DELAYED.
UM, THE, UH, THE REASON THAT WE WAITED WAS THE SOFTWARE PACKAGE WE WERE LOOKING FOR IS, UH, UM, SPECIALIZES IN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
IT'S A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COMPONENT SOFTWARE, UM, THAT I THINK WILL PROVIDE US A LEVEL OF COMMUNITY, UH, ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD BEFORE, UM, AS IT RELATES TO REALLY BEING ABLE TO HEAR FROM A VARIETY OF PEOPLE IN A VARIETY OF WAYS.
SO, UH, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO START TRAINING ON THAT, UM, EITHER AT THE, UH, END OF THIS WEEK OR THE BEGINNING OF, UH, NEXT WEEK.
AND HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK WE'LL HAVE THE SITE READY TO BE LOOKED AT AND GET IT UP BY MID-AUGUST.
SO, UM, SO THE CODE CRITIQUE IS READY TO START.
SO WE'RE EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THAT.
UM, WE PRESENTED YOU WITH A COUPLE WITH, UM, A COUPLE PAGES OF INFORMATION, AND THIS IS JUST PRIMARILY INFORMATION ONLY AND, AND, UM, MOST OF THIS WILL SHOW UP ON THAT WEBSITE.
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WANTED TO GIVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THIS MEANS, AND SOME OF THIS WE HAD ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.SO THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE OF A, JUST A REMINDER OF SOME OF IT, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE EXPECT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO DO, UM, IN TERMS OF PROVIDING A FRAMEWORK THAT GUIDES CREATIVITY AND GOOD SIDE, UH, WHILE PROTECTING NATURAL ENVIRONMENT IN THE COMMUNITY FROM HARMFUL OR UN UNINTENDED IMPACTS, UM, WE EXPECT IT TO BE A REFLECTION OF A LONG-TERM VISION FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WE HAVE NOT HAD AN UPDATE, A TRUE UPDATE SINCE WE ADOPTED THE NEW COMMUNITY PLAN.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO BLENDING THOSE TWO.
UM, AND EQUALLY IMPORTANT, THE CODE SHOULD BE EASY TO FOLLOW AND UNDERSTAND, UM, BE EXPEDIENT WHERE POSSIBLE RESPECTIVE OF COST.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S PRETTY CRITICAL.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY WANNA POINT OUT AS WE ARE LOOKING AT CODE IS WHAT WE CONSIDER A, UM, A STRONG, HOW WE MEASURE A STRONG CODE REQUIREMENT.
AND SO WE'VE PROVIDED A COUPLE OF, UM, BULLETS TO THAT.
YOU KNOW, IS THE REGULATION CLEARLY TIED TO AN IDENTIFIED COMMUNITY OBJECTIVE? AND DOES IT ADVANCE THAT OBJECTIVE? UM, IS THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUIREMENT EASY TO UNDERSTAND? IS IT CLEARLY WRITTEN AND MEASURABLE? UM, CAN THE APPLICANT UNDERSTAND HOW TO COMPLY AND, UM, CAN STAFF ADMINISTER AND ENFORCE THE REGULATION CONSISTENTLY AND TRANSPARENTLY WITHOUT UNDUE BURDEN ON THE APPLICANT? AND, AND THEN LAST, THE BENEFITS OF THAT REQUIREMENT JUSTIFY THE BURDEN OF MEETING THE REGULATION.
SO WE, AS WE LOOK AT THE CODE, UM, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THESE ITEMS. UM, AS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UM, EARLIER ON, YOU KNOW, OUR INTENTION IS TO DO THE CODE CRITIQUE, AND THAT'LL BE THE COURSE OF OVER TWO MONTHS.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF WAYS TO GET, UM, INPUT.
UM, FIRST IS WE'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN PROCESS OR HAVE SUCCESSFULLY NAVIGATED THE PROCESS TO, UH, HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING FROM THOSE INDIVIDUALS HOW THAT HAS WORKED, UM, WHERE IT HAS SUCCEEDED AND WHERE IT HAS FAILED.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WILL HAVE THE ONLINE, UM, CODE CRITIQUE, UH, WHERE WE WILL BE POSTING A SERIES OF TOPICS AND INVITING PEOPLE TO, UM, PROVIDE INPUT.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, AS WE DISCUSSED HERE, UM, PROVIDING, UM, AT LEAST ONE OPEN HOUSE FORUM, UM, THAT WOULD BE, UM, PRESENTED BY THIS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
SO BEING ABLE TO GET, UM, BE AN ACTIVE PART OF HEARING WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY, UM, AND BEING ENGAGED IN THAT PROCESS, UH, WE THINK IS IMPORTANT.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE LAST COMPONENT OF THAT IS, UM, IS THE REVIEWS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED FROM INDIVIDUALS, UM, AS WELL AS THE WORK THAT WE AS STAFF HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO HIGHLIGHT.
UM, SIMPLE THINGS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS FOR THIS CODE WERE PUT IN PLACE, THE STANDARD HEIGHT FOR A CEILING WAS EIGHT FEET.
UM, TODAY IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT EIGHT FEET.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT WHEN YOU EXPECT NINE FOOT AND 10 FOOT CEILINGS, A 22 FOOT HEIGHT NO LONGER APPLIES MM-HMM
SO EVERYBODY'S GOING TO COME IN AND REQUEST A VARIANCE FROM THAT, NOT A VARIANCE, BUT NEEDS TO APPLY THE ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS, UM, BECAUSE THEY REALLY DON'T GET A CHOICE IF THEY WANT TO CREATE A MARKETABLE PRODUCT.
SO THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE HAVE NOTICED AS WELL, THAT WE ARE MAKING, THAT WE ARE GONNA BE PROPOSING CHANGES TO, UM, TO MAKE IT ADAPTABLE.
SO WE'RE COLLECTING ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, AND WE DO THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO INFORM THE CONSULTANTS THAT WILL BE DOING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN ADVANCE, WHAT THE MAJOR ISSUES ARE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS HEARING.
UM, MORE OFTEN THE TRADITIONAL WAY OF DOING THIS IS THAT YOU WOULD HIRE A CONSULTANT.
THE CONSULTANT WOULD DO THEIR OWN, WHAT THEY CALL A CODE DIAGNOSTIC, WHERE THEY GO IN AND REVIEW THE CODE AND COMPARE IT AGAINST OTHER COMMUNITIES.
UM, AND THEN THEY INVITE OTHER PEOPLE TO COME IN AND TELL THEM THE STORY.
WE LIKE THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE THE INPUT FIRST, BECAUSE WE THINK THAT HELPS TO CREATE THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT WE EXPECT THE CONSULTANT TO BE DOING.
UM, SO THEY CAN STILL DO THEIR DIAGNOSTIC, THAT'S FINE.
UM, BUT WE WANT THE COMMUNITY INPUT TO COME FIRST.
SO, UH, SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT WE ARE SUGGESTING THE CODE CRITIQUE.
UM, THAT CODE CRITIQUE AGAIN, UM, LAST ABOUT TWO MONTHS.
WE WILL THEN, YOU KNOW, ASSEMBLE THAT REPORT, INCLUDE THAT DURING THAT PROCESS WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH THE, UM, REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL PROCESS FOR CONSULTANTS.
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UM, TO HAVE A CONSULTANT ON BOARD IN BEGINNING WORK AT THE BEGINNING OF 2027.SO, UM, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO TO GET INTO THAT PLACE.
BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE HERE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT BEFORE I GOT HERE MM-HMM
SO, UM, WE'RE EXCITED TO PUT IT INTO PLACE AND GET GOING.
HOW ARE WE DOING THE OUTREACH TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY CAN ATTEND? SO THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE A NEW COMMUNICATIONS PERSON, OKAY.
AND SHE IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO GET, UM, FIND DIFFERENT WAYS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THINGS, WHETHER IT'S BETTER ENGAGEMENT WITH THE NEWSPAPER, OR BETTER USE OF OUR SOCIAL MEDIA.
UM, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO HELP PEOPLE, UH, BECOME AWARE, UM, OF, OF THE OPPORTUNITY.
SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET GOOD INPUT.
WE CERTAINLY HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE TELL US WHAT THEY THINK, SO WE WANNA BE ABLE TO OPEN THE DOORS AND, AND GIVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AND SEE WHAT, SEE WHAT WE GET.
BUT THEY'LL BE ONGOING EFFORTS TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH INPUT AS WE CAN.
UM, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT INPUT FROM A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT GROUPS, AND WE'LL BE TALKING TO FOLKS SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY'RE ARCHITECTS, DESIGNERS, CONTRACTORS, BUILDERS, YOU NAME IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE PEOPLE THAT, UM, HAVE WORKED WITH THE CODE MM-HMM
WE HEAR A NUMBER OF PEOPLE TELL US IT'S, UM, IT'S NOT GOOD.
UM, WE HEAR A NUMBER OF OTHER PEOPLE TELL US IT'S GREAT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND EQUALLY IMPORTANT, I THINK IT'S, IM, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHILE WE WANT TO MAKE THINGS AS EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE AS POSSIBLE, AND WE WANT TO CREATE A SYSTEM, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT IS DESIGNED TO SPUR CREATIVE CREATIVITY AND GET YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS EFFICIENTLY.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME, IF YOU LISTEN TO INVESTORS THAT COME IN TO OUR COMMUNITY, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THEY DO IS THEY TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT OF OUR DESIGN STANDARDS AND WHAT THAT HAS DONE AND WHY WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN A CERTAIN TYPE OF CHARACTER IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT MAKES US DIFFERENT.
SO IT'S THAT COMBINATION OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE OUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO.
THAT IS REALLY GONNA BE IMPORTANT.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO, UH, UM, WE DON'T WANNA MESS UP A GOOD THING.
ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
I'VE BEEN HERE ALMOST SIX YEARS NOW, SO CARRIE, REMIND ME, WHEN DID WE FINISH THE COMMUNITY PLAN? THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? I THINK THE COM WELL, I THINK IT, YOU GUYS FINISHED IT AT THE END OF 23 AND WENT TO COUNCIL AT THE BEGINNING OF 2024.
YEAH, JUST MAKING SURE I HAVE MY YEARS.
SO I'VE BEEN, THIS IS THE END OF MY THREE YEAR TERMS. YEAH.
THIS IS MY END OF MY, END OF MY, I AM COMING INTO THE END OF MY SIXTH YEAR.
UM, WHEN I ORIGINALLY JOINED, WE WERE WORKING ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND I WAS PROMISED CODE CHA LIKE THAT.
THIS WAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CODE CHANGE.
FOR THE ENTIRE SIX YEARS, I HAVE BEEN ON PLANNING AND ZONING
THE SCHEDULE'S ALREADY BEEN PUSHED PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY.
IF WE DON'T GET THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS UNTIL SAY, 28, WHEN CODE IS GOING INTO PLACE, THAT MEANS WE ARE ABOUT TO START A NEW COMMUNITY PLAN SITUATION IN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE YEARS AFTER THAT.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T MAKE TIME GO BACKWARDS, BUT AS A PERSON WHO'S WATCHED THE COMMISSION BE PROMISED CODE UPDATES FOR ALMOST THE ENTIRETY OF THE LAST SIX YEARS, I'M CONCERNED BY THE SCHEDULE CONTINUING TO GET PUSHED THAT THIS CODE CRITIQUE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN IN JULY.
AND, AND I HAVE JUST WRITTEN, BECAUSE I'M NOT PLANNING ON REAPPLYING, UM, I HAVE RESIGNED MYSELF THAT THE LAST SIX YEARS OF ME TRYING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON CODE FROM UP HERE WILL NOT HAPPEN.
UH, WHICH IS A BUMMER BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT WAS A MAJOR MOTIVATOR AND IT WAS, IT WAS THE REASON I SIGNED ON FOR A SECOND TERM.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY PLAN'S GOING, IT'S BEGINNING OF 2024, THEN WE'RE GETTING RIGHT INTO IT BEFORE YOUR TIME.
NOT MY BLAME, BUT IT FEELS LIKE WE WILL GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS WHENEVER THAT HAPPENS.
AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE IMMEDIATELY COMMUNITY PLAN TIME.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WILL NEED TO BE DONE AGAIN POST-SECOND, BUT WHAT IT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
IF THERE'S MAJOR REVISIONS TO THE GOALS OF THE COMMUNITY, IT COULD VOID A LOT OF WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE.
THESE ARE ALL A LOT OF HYPOTHETICALS.
SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW LONG THIS IS TAKING.
I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING AHEAD OF DEVELOPMENT IN A VERY CRITICAL PO TIME IN OUR ECONOMY, AND THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWING FOR, UM, THE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO GET DONE SOONER BECAUSE
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OF IT.I ALSO UNDERSTAND BUREAUCRACY.
THERE'S BEEN FOUR PEOPLE IN YOUR JOB SINCE I STARTED
SO LIKE, I GET IT, BUT MM-HMM
THIS IS MY NOTICE TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN HERE AS LONG AS I HAVE.
THIS HAS BEEN A THING I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SINCE I STARTED IN, I GUESSED 2020 OCTOBER OF 2020.
UM, BECAUSE MY MOTIVATION HERE WAS I DID DEVELOP PROJECTS AND I DID RUN INTO THE CODE AND I DID FIND IT FRUSTRATING.
AND SO TO BE, TO BE OVER SIX YEARS TOLD ME, JUST WAIT, IT'S COMING.
IS, IS JUST PRETTY FRUSTRATING.
UM, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S, I AM THE HOLDER OF THE ONLY OPINION ON CODE, UM, BUT THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME.
AND TO WATCH IT CONTINUE TO PUSH IS FRUSTRATING FOR ME.
THE, UM, IN THE COMMENTS THAT YOU'VE MADE THIS EVENING, UM, IT SEEMS REACTIVE AS IN YOU'RE TRYING TO LISTEN TO WHAT WENT WRONG RECENTLY OR IN THE PAST AND REACT TO THAT.
UM, WHAT ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT IS FORWARD LOOKING? UM, WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT WHERE, UH, WE NEED A, I'LL CALL IT A REDEVELOPMENT CODE, NOT A DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO TO ANTICIPATE WHERE WE'RE HEADED RATHER THAN LET'S FIX WHAT'S BEEN WRONG IN THE PAST? SO I'LL ANSWER THAT TWOFOLD.
UM, BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST, AND YOUR POINT IS INCREDIBLY WELL TAKEN BECAUSE IT'S, UH, YOU HAVE A FORWARD THINKING COMMUNITY PLAN AND, UM, AND I'VE WRITTEN A BUNCH OF THESE, AND SO INCLUDING SITUATIONS WHERE YOU ARE, UM, ALMOST DONE WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT PHASE AND, UH, AND THE, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT IS EQUALLY IMPORTANT.
SO I'M INCREDIBLY EXCITED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO, UM, TO MAKE THIS EVEN MORE VISIONARY.
I MEAN, I HAVE OPINIONS, BUT, UM, BUT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT MORE, UM, VISIONARY, MORE AGGRESSIVE, I THINK MOST IMPORTANT TO ME IS I LOVE A CODE THAT KNOWS WHEN IT WANTS, WHAT IT WANTS TO ACHIEVE, AND KNOWS WHEN TO GET OUT OF THE WAY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, SO FROM A FORWARD PRE, FROM A FORWARD THINKING PERSPECTIVE, IT'S BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT THE CODE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AND UH, AND BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS BINDING CREATIVE THOUGHT.
WE ARE GETTING IN THE WAY OF GOOD DESIGN.
SO HOW DO WE CHANGE THE CODE TO STOP THAT? SO THAT IS ONE SIDE OF IT.
THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS, FOR US, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS VERY GOOD AT HAVING OPINIONS.
UM, I WAS, I WAS TOLD THAT DURING THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, AND IT HAS COME OUT TO BE VERY TRUE.
I LOVE TO HEAR OPINIONS, UM, AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO COLLECT THAT IN ADVANCE.
IF IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M LOOKING AT ALL OF THE NOS AND ALL THE BAD, UM, IT'S BECAUSE WHAT I HAVE FOUND IS WE NEED TO LET PEOPLE GET THAT OFF THEIR CHEST, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING 12 MONTHS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WENT WRONG.
SO THE CODE CRITIQUE IS DESIGNED TO SAY, HERE'S YOUR CHANCE.
IF YOU'VE HAD A BAD DEAL, OR IF YOU'VE REALLY LIKED IT, UM, TELL US, BUT TELL US NOW SO WE CAN GET IT OUT OF THE WAY.
UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS SO WE CAN FOCUS ON, ON MOVING THE PROCESS FORWARD.
SO, UM, I HAVE HISTORICALLY HAD A PROCESS THAT I WOULD FOLLOW, AND IT HAS PROVEN TO BE SOMEWHAT SUCCESSFUL THAT YOU HAVE A WINDOW WHERE EVERYBODY CAN SAY THE THING THEY NEED TO SAY AFTER THAT WINDOW CLOSES.
YOU CAN STILL TELL ME SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE, BUT YOU'VE GOTTA PROVIDE A SOLUTION ALONG WITH IT.
SO BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THE THINGS THAT STINK, YOU KNOW, FROM HERE ON IN, WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT WAYS TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL.
AND, AND SO THAT'S THE GOAL IS TO TRY TO DO THAT HERE, IS TO LET PEOPLE EXPRESS THE THINGS THAT ARE ON THEIR MIND.
THE OTHER SIDE TO THAT, THAT I PROBABLY DIDN'T SAY WELL, IS THAT IF PEOPLE HAVE IDEAS OF HOW TO MAKE THIS MORE VISIONARY OR MORE CREATIVE, UM, OR MORE EFFECTIVE, MORE EFFICIENT, THEN WE WANT TO HEAR THOSE TOO.
SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT WHAT IT'S DOING WRONG, IT'S, IT'S EQUALLY ABOUT, UM, HOW WE CAN DO BETTER.
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SO IF THAT HELPS.YEAH, NO, I THINK, I THINK IT'S QUITE FRANKLY IS, AS MUCH AS THIS SOUNDS LIKE A ROOT CANAL CODE CHANGE IS FUN, IT'S, UH, MONIQUE IS LIKE WHAT, UM, IT CAN BE A LOT OF FUN BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THE MOST INTERACTIVE DEMOCRATIC PROCESSES WE HAVE IS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CHANGE AND, AND HAVING A CODE THAT REFLECTS THE ASPIRATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO HOPE THAT HELPS, OR HOPE I DIDN'T JUST TALK IN CIRCLES.
AND I THINK, DAN, AS YOU SAW IN SOME OF THE, UM, PRIOR, UH, COMMISSION MEETINGS, WE DID DISCUSS AT LENGTH ABOUT HOW OUR CURRENT CODE REALLY INHIBITS AND HANDCUFFS ANYONE FOR REDEVELOPMENT, ANY KIND OF REMODELING, ANYTHING EXTERIOR.
AND WE'VE GOTTEN, OR I'VE GOTTEN AS, AS A COMMISSIONER, FEEDBACK FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS TALKING ABOUT RUNDOWN BUILDINGS, THINGS THAT CAN'T BE THE, THE OWNERS AREN'T WILLING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO REMODEL OR UPDATE BECAUSE OF THE CODE.
SO, UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO A CHANGE.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING LANDOWNERS HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO MODERNIZE THEIR FACILITIES AND, UM, AND NOT BE STUCK IN SOME OF OUR OLD COLD ISSUES THAT WERE THERE.
UM, I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT TO MAKE.
AND THIS IS JUST A PROCEDURE AND IT'S ACTUALLY FOR, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY.
AND, AND I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, WE RECEIVED A HANDOUT OF THE SUMMARY THAT, UM, HAS BEEN GIVEN TO US.
SO SHOULDN'T THIS BE IN OUR PACKET? I I, IDEALLY THE CITY STRIVES TO PROVIDE EVERYTHING IN ADVANCE IN THE PACKET, BUT IT'S NOT UN IT IS NOT ALL THAT UNUSUAL TO PROVIDE THINGS AT THE MEETING.
AND IT WILL BE KEPT WITH THE, THE MEETING TODAY.
IT WILL BE INCLUDED WITHIN EVERYTHING.
IT'LL BE LIKE A LATE ADD TO THE PACKET.
IT'LL, IT'LL BE RETAINED IN THE ARCHIVES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BECAUSE IT, IT, IT'S A LITTLE HARD AS A, AND OUTSIDE THIS TO STAFF, IT'S A LITTLE HARD AS A COMMISSIONER THAT WE WERE GONNA GO OVER THIS DETAILED DESCRIPTION AND NOT HAVE TIME TO PREPARE.
'CAUSE YOU DO HAVE SOME KEY POINTS HERE THAT COULD ALLOW FOR GOOD, GOOD DISCUSSION WITH COMMISSION.
BUT BECAUSE I RECEIVED IT AT THE TIME OF THE COMMISSION, I CAN'T READ THIS AND FORM SOME QUESTIONS OR SOME THOROUGH DISCUSSION.
UM, SO I, I KNOW IT'S A PROCEDURE THING, BUT I REALLY, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED UP HERE.
UM, AND IT'S HAPPENED A COUPLE MORE A COUPLE TIMES THIS YEAR.
AND I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE ITEMS OF THIS THAT ARE OF DISCUSSION THAT THEY APPRE IN THE PACKET, SO THAT AS A COMMISSIONER, I CAN DO MY DUE DILIGENCE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, THIS, THIS WHOLE THING IS REALLY DEAR TO MY HEART.
AND, UH, SO I JUST WANT TO INFORM THE COMMISSION AND, AND STAFF WHAT I'VE NOTICED IN MY CAREER THAT AS TIME HAS GONE ON, CITIES MORE AND MORE WANT TO CONTROL THE DESIGN OF PROJECTS AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF I WAS DESIGNING A BUILDING THAT DIDN'T WANT A STEP IN THE FACADE EVERY 30 FEET, BECAUSE THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT, AND I MAY, I MAY HAVE THE DIMENSIONS WRONG, BUT REQUIRING, STEPPING VERTICALLY, STEPPING BACK AND FORTH, UM, IF I HAVE A BUILDING, UH, PATRICK SCHWEISS IS GONNA DO A, A VERY LARGE AUDITORIUM TO STEP THOSE WALLS IN AND OUT MAY NOT MAKE ANY SENSE STRUCTURALLY OR, OR IN PLAN.
SO I, I I, I URGE US TO THINK ABOUT WHY WE NEED TO CONTROL THE DESIGN PROCESS.
WHY WE NEED TO CONTROL THE DESIGN, AND WHO IS THE PERSON THAT KNOWS HOW TO CONTROL IT AND, AND THAT AND, AND THE RESULT.
UM, REMEMBER WE HAVE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODES.
THERE'S A WHOLE NOTHER LAYER THAT STEVE MEUS GETS INVOLVED WITH, WITH BUILDING CODES THAT BUILDINGS HAVE TO COMPLY WITH.
WE AS A CITY COULD CHOOSE TO HAVE NO DESIGN CODE AND ONLY DEAL WITH ZONING, THINGS THAT TRULY IMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS AND SITES.
AND, UH, SO I I JUST, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, I'M GONNA BE, UH, A PROPONENT OF LESS CONTROL BY THE CITY AND THE PROCESS IS BETTER.
AND WHY DID, WHEN I STARTED MY CAREER IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES, THERE WERE NO CONTROLS, NO DESIGN STANDARDS BY CITIES.
YOU MAYBE WENT TO THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION AND YOU SHOWED THEM AN EARLY IDEA OF A BUILDING, AND THEN YOU DEVELOPED
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IT AND YOU SUBMITTED IT FOR A PERMIT AND YOU GOT A PERMIT.UM, WE HAVE THINGS LIKE, AS I UNDERSTAND, UH, NATURAL ALUMINUM STOREFRONT IS NOT ALLOWED TOO SHINY.
WE HAVE MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS THAT DON'T ALLOW FOR REFLECTIVE MATERIALS, RIGHT? SO IF I'M DESIGNING A MODERN BUILDING AND I WANT ALUMINUM STOREFRONT, AND I WANT IT TO BE MODERN, UM, WE'VE DECIDED TO LIMIT THOSE CHOICES.
UM, IF YOU TRAVEL TO CITIES, YOU'LL SEE MANY CITIES THAT HAVE PRETTY VIBRANT, UH, BUILDINGS THAT HAVE NATURAL ALUMINUM WINDOW FRAMES.
SO AGAIN, I, I, UH, I, I, I THINK WE HAVE, IT'S GONNA BE INTERESTING, THE INPUT FROM PEOPLE ABOUT THAT.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF ALL THE ARCHITECTS YOU INTERVIEWS SAY, UH, WE DON'T LIKE PLANE CHANGES EVERY 30 FEET, GET RID OF 'EM.
WHO DECIDES, YOU KNOW, WHO GETS TO VOTE? WHO GETS TO DECIDE? BUT, UH, FROM, AGAIN, I JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M ON MY PEDESTAL JUST SAYING CONTROL OF THE DESIGN PROCESS HAS GONE OVER YEARS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CITY, MY CITY OF DES MOINES THAT I PRACTICED AND DID THE SAME THING, THEY NOW HAVE, I'VE LOOKED AT IT.
I AM GLAD I'M NOT PRACTICING IN THE CITY OF DES MOINES ANYMORE.
THEY ARE VERY RESTRICTIVE IN THEIR DESIGN CODE.
THEY HAVE PRECEDENT IMAGES AND THEY ALL LOOK LIKE BUILDINGS BUILT IN THE 19 HUNDREDS, UH, 19, 20, 19 30, YOU KNOW, UH, NOT MODERN BUILDINGS.
SO THAT'S THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHERE I'M GONNA BE IN THESE THINGS IS HOW, HOW DO WE WRITE A CODE THAT PROTECTS THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT? ABSOLUTELY.
AND THE COMMUNITY FROM HARM UN HARMFUL, UNINTENDED IMPACTS.
AND I THINK YOU COULD DO THAT WITHOUT ANY DESIGN STANDARDS, CODE OF COMMON SENSE.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
I MEAN, THE ONLY THING I CAN ADD TO THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IF I GET NOSTALGIC FOR A MOMENT THE WAY I WAS RAISED BY MY STEPFATHER FROM A VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY YOUNG AGE, AND HE'S BEEN PROFOUND INFLUENCE IN MY LIFE, HAS ALWAYS BEEN FIND A WAY TO SAY YES.
SO EVEN IF I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER, SARAH, FIND A RESOURCE OR HELP SOMEBODY FIND A WAY TO SAY YES.
AND SO IT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD HAVE A CODE THAT WASN'T SO RESTRICTIVE.
AND IF IT'S NOT EXACT, THERE'S A WAY, THERE'S A PATH THOUGH TO BE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO SAY YES.
'CAUSE I BELIEVE PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD AS THEY WISH.
SO CAN I TALK ABOUT THE BUSINESSES PART OF THAT NOW IN CODE? YEAH.
SO I THINK WE CAN GET STUCK ON DESIGN 'CAUSE I AM IN AGREEMENT OF COLOR AND MASSING AND ALL THE SHININESS, THE SHININESS ISSUE.
UM, BUT I ALSO THINK, TONY, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH STRONG TOWNS? MM-HMM
UM, AND THEY'VE BEEN PUTTING OUT A LOT OF DATA ABOUT UH, THE IMPACT OF GETTING RID OF PARKING CODES AND WHAT THAT DOES FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND VITALIZATION OF PLACES LIKE UPTOWN, WHICH FEEL DATED AND LIKE NOT A PLACE LOCALS WANT TO GO.
AND SO THEY'RE TAKING THESE LIKE MEDIUM TO SMALL CITIES AND GETTING RID OF NOT CHANGING, GETTING RID OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR BUSINESSES AND WATCHING WHAT HAPPENS.
AND THEY'RE HAVING A HUGE REVITALATION REVITALIZATION OF NOT ONLY A NEW TYPE OF BUSINESS, BUT PEOPLE WANTING TO GO THERE, ENGAGEMENT WITH THE CITY OR WITH THE STREETSCAPE.
AND BASICALLY THE ARGUMENT BEING MADE IS LET BUSINESSES DECIDE HOW MUCH PARKING THEY NEED AND IF THEY'RE WRONG, THERE'S REPERCUSSIONS.
UM, AND I THINK A HUGE INHIBITOR IN OUR CODE FOR BUSINESS REDEVELOPMENT AND CREATIVE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT IS THE PARKING CODE.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO DO ONE PER 100 FOR A RESTAURANT AND YOU HAVE A FLAT ACRE, THREE QUARTERS OF YOUR FLAT ACRE IS PARKING.
WE DON'T WANT IT PAVED OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT'S STILL ENCOURAGED TO BE PAVED.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF OUR LAND IN SEDONA.
A FLAT, A PARKING LOT IS A PARKING LOT, RIGHT? IF WE WANT CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT, UM, A BIG INHIBITOR TO CODE.
AND I ACTUALLY THINK RESIDENTIAL, I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH RESIDENTIAL PARKING CODE, BUT THE PARTS THAT I AM, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT IS ALSO INHIBITING, REQUIRING GARAGES, UM, NOT ALLOWING GARAGE CONVERSIONS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
I COULD PARK LIKE SO MANY CARS AT MY HOUSE, LIKE SO MANY, SO MANY CARS AT MY FRONT YARD.
BUT I'M REQUIRED TO HAVE A GARAGE.
I'M NOT ALLOWED TO CONVERT MY GARAGE.
I DON'T PARK CARS IN MY GARAGE.
UM, BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT IN THE EIGHTIES AND MY CARS WERE TOO LONG.
UM, SO I THINK AN, YOU KNOW, I WILL FOREVER BE THE PERSON WHO TALKS ABOUT WALKABILITY AND SIDEWALKS AND
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THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT IS REALLY BUILT IN WITH PARKING CODE.AND AS WE DEVELOP TRANSIT, WE RUN INTO THIS CHICKEN AND EGG THING, RIGHT? WHAT DO YOU DEVELOP FIRST TRANSIT OR DO YOU MAKE PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE? I'M OF THE OPINION THAT IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO USE YOUR TRANSIT, YOU MAKE THEM UNCOMFORTABLE, YOU GET THEM OUT OF THEIR CARS.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT COMFORTABLE TO BE IN THEIR CARS.
IT'S NOT COMFORTABLE TO FIND PARKING.
IT'S YOU GO TO UPTOWN, THERE'S NOTHING, WHAT DO YOU DO NEXT TIME? TAKE THE SHUTTLE.
ONE OF THOSE THINGS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER THING AS WE TALK ABOUT DESIGN, THERE'S, IT'S EASY TO GET STUCK ON DESIGN, IN MY OPINION AS SOMEONE WHO'S WORKED IN THE CODE.
BUT I ACTUALLY THINK THERE'S A TON OF COMMERCIAL CODE THAT NEEDS TO BE REALLY LOOKED AT.
NOT FROM THE, WELL I'M, THE ARCHITECTS WILL KNOW BECAUSE THEY'RE DESIGNING THE BUILDINGS.
BUT AS PROPERTY OWNERS WHO DECIDE, HEY, THIS BUILDING WOULD BE REALLY GREAT FOR BLANK, BUT THERE'S NO CHANCE OF THAT BECAUSE OF PARKING.
THERE'S NO CHANCE OF THAT BECAUSE OF HURDLES TO REDEVELOPMENT INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, COST OF FIRE, SPRINKLERS, COST OF, UM, IMPACT FEES FOR THE SEWER COST OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
UH, AND SO I, I THINK STRONG TOWNS IS DOING SOME INCREDIBLE WORK AROUND PARKING SPECIFICALLY AND, AND GETTING PEOPLE TO ENGAGE WITH STREETS SCAPES IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAT ISN'T PARKING THEIR CAR IN IT.
SO I'M GLAD YOU'RE A MEMBER OF STRONG TOWNS BECAUSE I JUST LOVE THEM, SO.
SO I WILL CLOSE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, FUTURE
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MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. SO THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE SEPTEMBER 1ST.UM, LIKELY WILL NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS FOR THAT ONE, BUT WE MAY HAVE AN UPDATE MAYBE ON THIS OR UM, SOME OTHER STUFF THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, NOT CANCELED, KEEP YOUR EYES ON YOUR INBOX, BUT TAKING A CANCELS AND WHEN MEETINGS ARE UHHUH,
SO WE TYPICALLY HAVE TO DO THE NOTICE, UM, A COUPLE WEEKS AHEAD OF TIME.
SO WOULD YOU WANT TO KNOW IF WE FOR SURE HAVE SOMETHING IT WOULD BE HELPFUL 'CAUSE I LEAVE THIS OPEN AND BEING A BUSINESS OWNER THE WHOLE DAY'S OPEN.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A SITE VISIT.
I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A MEETING AND SO THE WHOLE TUESDAY IS EMPTY.
SO, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SEVEN DAYS PRIOR I GET THE EMAIL THAT SAYS, OH, P AND Z MEETING IS CANCELED.
BUT I DO BOOK OUT LIKE TWO MONTHS IN ADVANCE AND SO IT'S OKAY.
IT'D JUST BE NICE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT SOONER THAN THE, THAN THE NOTICE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT I MEAN, GENERALLY, UM, WE WILL KNOW PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS ABOUT THREE WEEKS IN ADVANCE.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE DEADLINE TO SEND THEM TO THE PAPER.
BUT LIKE, DISCUSSION ITEMS LIKE THIS ONE OR IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, THAT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO OKAY.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
'CAUSE MY EXPERIENCE, I STAFF CAN STILL REACH OUT TO THE COMMISSION WITHOUT A PUBLIC NOTICE.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO GET A HEADS UP OF, HEY, THIS IS CANCELED, AND SO WE CAN MOVE ON WITH OUR LIVES.
BUT YOU, WE HAVE A SYSTEM AND THE SYSTEM MIGHT WORK FOR YOU, BUT IT, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO JUST LEAVE THAT WHOLE TUESDAY OPEN.
IF IT'S BEING, AND THEN I'LL CALL SOMEONE, OH YEAH, I TALKED TO CARRIE, IT'S CANCELED.
IF YOU CAN, IF YOU'RE NOT, I'M NOT GONNA LIKE RIDE YOU ON IT, BUT I'M JUST LIKE, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, I WOULD LOVE IT.
IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, I WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 5 38.