* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] IT'S FOUR O'CLOCK. ALL [Historic Preservation on August 17, 2026.] RIGHT. IT'S FOUR O'CLOCK. WE KNOW. UH, WE'VE GOT ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HERE. WE'RE GONNA GET, UM, SO I GUESS WE'LL CALL THIS, UH, MEETING OF THE CITY OF SEDONA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO ORDER. UH, IF YOU'LL, UH, STAND IF YOU'RE ABLE. AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT, TAKE A SEAT. UH, ROLL CALL CHAIR MYERS. PRESENT VICE CHAIR SE HERE. COMMISSIONER FEENEY HERE. COMMISSIONER WOODS HERE. AND COMMISSIONER STUACK IS ABSENT. EXCUSED. EXCUSED. YES. UH, WE'LL MOVE TO 0.2 ON THE AGENDA ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. UM, ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? I DO HAVE SOMETHING, BUT I'LL TURN OVER STAFF FIRST. I DON'T HAVE ANY. OKAY. UH, I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW, SOME OF YOU ARE PROBABLY AWARE THAT THERE ARE REVISIONS PENDING TO SECTION 1 0 6 OF THE, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION CODE FOR, UH, THE FEDERAL, UH, CODES. UM, THE FIRST STEP ANYONE WILL HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON IT IS PUBLIC COMMENT. THEY HAVE NOT OPENED THE PUBLIC COMMENT. THEY HAVE NOT TOLD US WHEN PUBLIC COMMENT WILL OPEN. BUT, UM, UH, IN A RELATED THING, THE, I'M ALSO THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE MUSEUM ASSOCIATION OF ARIZONA, AND LAST WEEK THE, UH, MUSEUM ASSOCIATION OF ARIZONA SENT, UH, AN EMAIL TO SHIPPO THAT I JUST WANTED TO READ SO THAT OUR COMMISSIONERS ARE AWARE THAT, UM, FOLKS ARE KEEPING AN EYE ON THIS. UM, AND IT WAS, UM, THE MUSEUM ASSOCIATION OF ARIZONA'S EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS CHIPO. UH, WE ARE AVAILABLE TO HELP WITH ANY EFFORT TO FIGHT THE REVISION TO SECTION 1 0 6 OF THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT. AS YOU MAY KNOW, WE HAVE INCLUDED AN ADVOCACY ALERT WITH THE RELEVANT INFORMATION, INFORMATION IN OUR E-NEWSLETTER AND OUR ADVOCACY WEBPAGE, AND AN MAILING TO OUR LISTSERV. UM, SO, UM, PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE, SHIPPO, MAA, OTHERS ARE OUT THERE KEEPING AN EYE ON THIS, AND I'M SURE WHEN THE TIME COMES, UM, THEY'LL LET US KNOW WHAT WE AS COMMISSIONERS CAN DO TO WEIGH IN, UH, AND STOP THE CHANGES TO THE, UM, SECTION 1 0 6 OF THE, OF THE CODE. WILL, WILL, WILL THIS STOP? UH, BALLROOMS? UH, I CANNOT COMMENT. I DO NOT KNOW. OKAY. . I, OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? MM. OKAY. UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM MAY 11TH, 2026. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR EDITS OR REVISIONS ON THOSE? YEP. OKAY. APPROVED AS THEY ARE, UH, WE'LL MOVE TO THE PUBLIC FORUM. THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA. THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA. THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO A RS 38 DASH 4 31 0.01 H, ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO ANY CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE. DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS FROM THE PUBLIC? LOOKS LIKE A NO. . OKAY. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM AND MOVE ON TO, UH, 0.5 CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES. FIVE. A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A DESIGNATION OF LANDMARK FOR THE PINEWOOD HOUSE AT 20 PINEWOOD DRIVE. THE SUBJECT BUILDING IS 1086 SQUARE FEET AND WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1959. IT IS LOCATED IN THE OAK CREEK KNOWLES SUBDIVISION NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF CANYON DRIVE, PINEWOOD DRIVE, METEOR DRIVE, AND REDSTONE DRIVE, A PN 4 0 1 DASH 22 7 A AND 4 0 1 22 0 6 C. UM, THIS IS HPC CASE NUMBER 0 0 0 0 3. UH, AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO STAFF. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, WE, I HAVE A SHORT LITTLE INTRODUCTION TO IT. WE ALSO HAVE, UM, ON TEAMS, UM, JOHN ARD WITH LOGAN SIMPSON, WHO DID THE, UM, EXTENSIVE SURVEY, I BELIEVE. DO YOU HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION TOO FOR THIS, OR JUST AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS? UH, CHAIR MYERS. CARRIE, UH, I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION. OKAY. UNFORTUNATELY, I AM IN A NEW RESIDENCE AND HAVE, UH, AN INTERNET COMPANY THAT [00:05:01] I'VE NOT TRIED BEFORE, AND IT SEEMS SOMEHOW EVEN IN THE METRO PHOENIX AREA, UH, MY INTERNET IS NOT UP TO SPEED , SO I WILL BE, UH, GOING OVER IT VERBALLY, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE'LL NOT BE ABLE TO DISPLAY THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. SO I WILL JUST DO A, JUST A VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW THEN. LET ME JUST GET TO THAT ONE. UM, OH, OH, MAYBE OUR INTERNET DOESN'T WORK EITHER. OKAY. THERE WE GO. UM, SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A HISTORIC LANDMARK STATUS, UM, FOR 20 PINEWOOD DRIVE. IT'S, UM, HIGHLIGHTED HERE, THE TWO PARCEL NUMBERS. UM, THE 0 0 7 A IS THE MAIN PARCEL. THERE'S A SLIVER ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE PARCEL, WHICH IS THE 0 0 6 C. UM, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE, OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE SHOWING THE CHIMNEY AND THE FIREPLACE, UM, ALONG WITH THE, UM, YEAH, JUST THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE. UM, JUST AS A REFRESHER, THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION CRITERIA IS LISTED IN 8.7 B THREE. THERE ARE FOUR DIFFERENT POTENTIAL CRITERIA UNDER WHICH A HISTORIC PROPERTY, UH, MAY BE LANDMARKED. YOU ONLY HAVE TO MEET ONE OF THE FOUR CRITERIA. THE, YOUR EVALUATION INCLUDED AN EVALUATION OF ALL FOUR CRITERIA. UM, THIS IS BEING RECOMMENDED FOR DESIGNATION UNDER CRITERIA, A ASSOCIATION WITH EVENTS THAT HAVE MADE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE BROAD PATTERNS OF OUR LOCAL, STATE OR NATIONAL HISTORY. UM, AND THE RECOMMENDED BOUNDARY FOR A LOCAL DESIGNATION IS THE ENTIRETY OF THE PARCEL. UM, AND WITH THAT, I WILL STOP SHARING AND JOHN CAN WALK YOU VERBALLY THROUGH HIS PRESENTATION. WELL, MEYERS, GARY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, AGAIN, I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THE INTERNET ISSUE. I DO NOT KNOW HOW IN 2026 IN A LARGE METROPOLITAN AREA, THAT IS STILL SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT IT SEEMS IT IS, UH, TERM. MEYERS MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, WILL BE SUCCINCT IN GOING THROUGH THE REPORT. I'M SURE YOU HAVE REVIEWED IT, UH, THOROUGHLY. ESSENTIALLY, IF THIS WAS A NOMINATION FOR A PROPERTY THAT WAS BELIEVED TO BE DESIGNED AND OR CONSTRUCTED BY HOWARD OLE, KNOWN AS THE EZ FIRST ARCHITECT, IT IS IN THE ILK CREEK KNOWLES SUBDIVISION, WHICH, UH, IS PROMINENT AS SEDONAS FIRST SUBDIVISION, OR RATHER, THE FIRST SUBDIVISION BUILT WITHIN WHAT WOULD BECOME SEDONA CITY OF LIMITS. AND WE'LL GET A BIT INTO THAT. TOWARD THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. UH, OUR TEAM RESEARCHED THE PROPERTY EXTENSIVELY. AS YOU MAY RECALL FROM THE MAY PRESENTATION ON THE LARGER SURVEY PROJECT, UH, ONE OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS IS LAURA PALMA BLANDFORD. SHE WAS FORMERLY THE STATE ARCHIVIST FOR ARIZONA, UH, IS VERY ADEPT AT RESEARCH, UH, AND PUT A VERY DEAL OF HER TIME AND TALENT INTO THIS. UH, WE'RE ALSO VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE, UH, USAGE OF THEONE HERITAGE MUSEUM ARCHIVE. SO THANK YOU TO CHAIR BYERS AND HIS STAFF FOR THAT. SO WE WERE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER, WE BELIEVE, AS COMPREHENSIVE AS A HISTORY AS IS POSSIBLE, UH, GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT WAS BUILT, UH, PRIOR TO INCORPORATION. AND THUS, RECORDS ARE SOMEWHAT CHALLENGING TO LOCATE. UH, ESSENTIALLY THE COCONINO COUNTY ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, UH, INDICATES A 1959 DATE OF CONSTRUCTION FOR THIS PROPERTY. UH, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT TO NOT BE THE CASE. UH, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH PLAN DATE. IT'S ASSUMED TO BE RELIABLE. UH, WE DID RESEARCH IT. WE COULD NOT IDENTIFY ANY EVIDENCE OF HOWARD MENDO HAVING DESIGNED THE PROPERTY FOR HAVING BEEN INVOLVED IN ITS CONSTRUCTION. UH, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THERE WAS TRADEMARK MEDU FEATURES. AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED IN YEARS PAST, UH, BY THE COMMISSION. UH, CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES ASSOCIATED WITH DO INCLUDE TWO BY FOUR LAMINATED ROOFS, PARTICULARLY STACKED, UH, TWO BY FOURS. SO TWO BY FOURS STACKED ON THEIR SIDE. UH, SH STONES INCORPORATED INTO FIREPLACES, OFTEN DOUBLE-SIDED FIREPLACES. IN MANY CASES, HANDMADE ADOBE, WHICH CAN BE UNUSUAL IN SIZE, LONG, LOW OVERHANGING ROOFS, FLARED ROOF LINES AND GLASS WALLS, FRAMED AT THE CEILING [00:10:01] BY THE TWO BY FOUR LAMINATED ROOFS. UH, THIS PROPERTY DOES DISPLAY TWO OF THE ABOVE, WHERE TWO OF THE FOUR MENTIONED FEATURES. THAT IS THE JUST STONES AND THE FLARED ROOF LINE. IT IS, UH, VISUALLY CONSISTENT, CERTAINLY WITH A ADULT PROPERTY. IT IS NOT IMPLAUSIBLE THAT IT WAS DESIGNED FOR CONSTRUCTED, UH, BY JOEL, PERHAPS BOTH, ALTHOUGH WE CANNOT IDENTIFY ANY EVIDENCE, UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO STATE SUCH CONCLUSIVELY. NOW, THAT SAID, UH, BECAUSE OF IT BEING AN EARLY PROPERTY IN OAK CREEK KNOWLES, BECAUSE OF IT BEING, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN OF PROPERTIES IN THAT SUBDIVISION, UH, WE DO BELIEVE IT TO THE ELIGIBLE AS DOCUMENTED IN THE LETTER REPORT PROVIDED TO STAFF AND SUBSEQUENTLY TO COMMISSION. UH, WE DO BELIEVE IT TO BE ELIGIBLE UNDER, UH, 8.7 POINT B THREE A OF THE CODE, AND WE DO BELIEVE IT TO RETAIN SUFFICIENT INTEGRITY. AS SUCH, WE DO RECOMMEND IT AS ELIGIBLE FOR INCLUSION IN THE SEDONA HISTORICS HISTORIC LANDMARKS INVENTORY UNDER, UH, CRITERION A BECAUSE OF ITS ASSOCIATION WITH BROAD PATTERNS OF HISTORY. AND IF I MAY FOR JUST A MOMENT, JERE MYS MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOU WHY WE WERE NOT ABLE TO, UH, COMPILE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. UH, IN MANY AREAS THAT WE WORK, WE HAVE ACCESS TO VERY ROBUST RECORDS GOING BACK MANY, MANY DECADES. UH, OFTEN PROPERTIES ARE BUILT WITHIN CITY LIMITS BUILT, OR AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION OR WITHIN CITY OF LIMITS, SOMETIMES, UH, COVERED BY ONE OR MORE MAJOR NEWSPAPERS, ET CETERA. UH, IN THIS CASE, AND WE WILL ALSO BE DISCUSSING THIS WITH 7 75 BACKHOE BEYOND, UH, THERE WAS NOT A MAJOR NEWSPAPER COVERING THE AREA AT THE TIME. UH, THE DEAL OR THE COVERAGE CAME FROM OUTSIDE OF THE MEDIA AREA. THERE WAS THE RED ROCK NEWS, AND WE DID REVIEW THAT. WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GLEAN SUFFICIENT INFORMATION RELATED, PARTICULARLY TO THIS PROPERTY, UH, TO REALLY DRAW ANY CONCLUSIONS. UNFORTUNATELY, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO LOOK AT PERMIT RECORDS AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION EITHER. THE CITY OF SEDONA WAS NOT INCORPORATED AT THIS POINT. UH, AND THIS PROPERTY WAS BUILT IN UNINCORPORATED LAND IN COCONINO COUNTY. LAURA, THE, UH, AFOREMENTIONED RESEARCHER WHO WAS THE STATE ARCHIST REACHED OUT ATTEMPTING TO GET RECORDS. UH, SHE WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL IN THAT ATTEMPT. SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING OFF OF HERE ARE DIRECTORY LISTINGS IN TERMS OF RESIDENTS. WE'RE GOING OFF OF NEW DISCOVERY PROGRAM RELATED TO THE SUBDIVISION ITSELF AS OPPOSED TO THE PROPERTY. ALTHOUGH THERE ARE, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO LOCATE SOME INFORMATION RELATED TO TRANSFERS OF THE PROPERTY. UH, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION RELATED TO THE PROPERTY, UH, FROM THE CITY BECAUSE OF THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION, THE CITY THAT ITSELF DID NOT EXIST. UH, SO THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS HERE. I I DO WANT TO UNDERSCORE THAT WHILE WE DO BELIEVE THAT IT IS ELIGIBLE UNDER A, THAT HAS BROUGHT PATTERNS OF HISTORY, UH, WE CANNOT STATE TO THE COMMISSION THAT IT IS, UH, CONCLUSIVELY, INELIGIBLE UNDER C. THERE IS A POTENTIAL OR FUTURE, UH, DISCOVERY IN TERMS OF INFORMATION, UH, TO COME UP. BUT SEEING AS HOW WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT IT IS IN FACT ELIGIBLE UNDER ONE CRITERION, UH, WE DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD AS SUCH AND RECOMMEND TO THE COMMISSION SHOULD THEY WISH, UH, THAT THEY KEEP THIS ON THE RADAR FOR, UH, FURTHER REVIEW, SHOULD ADDITIONAL INFORMATION RELATED TO HOWARD OLE BECOME AVAILABLE TO THE COMMISSION. AND WITH THAT, UH, CHAIR MYERS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR ME. UM, YOU SAID YOU WERE, IT, IT MIGHT HAVE JUST BEEN THE WAY IT CAUGHT MY EAR, THE WAY YOU PHRASED IT, BUT CAN YOU SAY OR RESTATE WHAT YOU MEANT BY IT'S NOT INELIGIBLE? SOMETHING ABOUT THE DOUBLE NEGATIVE, MAYBE JUST STRUCK ME WRONG, [00:15:01] BUT ABOUT, UH, IT'S ELIGIBILITY UNDER C ABSOLUTELY. AND I APOLOGIZE IF I WAS NOT NO, THAT'S OKAY. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY JUST THE WAY I HEARD YOU, BUT I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON WHAT YOU MEANT. WELL, AT THIS TIME, WITH THE INFORMATION WE HAVE AVAILABLE, WE CANNOT RECOMMEND IT AS ELIGIBLE UNDER CRITERION C. HOWEVER, UH, BECAUSE WE WERE NOT ABLE TO DETERMINE THE ARCHITECT OR THE BUILDER, IT IS PLAUSIBLE THAT IT IS OR WAS RATHER DESIGNED AND OR CONSTRUCTED BY THE DOLE. AND SHOULD THAT INFORMATION COME TO LIGHT, WE BELIEVE IT WOULD THEN BE ELIGIBLE AND RECEIVE. BUT AT THIS MOMENT, UH, WE CANNOT RECOMMEND IT AS ELIGIBLE UNDER RECEIVE, BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE, UH, ANY INFORMATION KIND OF TO ME. OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION. UM, OPEN UP TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION. UM, ANYBODY HAVE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER FEENEY? UM, THIS COMMISSION HAS BEEN THROUGH, UM, MANY ME HOUSES, AND THERE ARE SO MANY SIMILARITIES OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WITH WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, ESPECIALLY AS FAR AS THE FIREPLACE IS CONCERNED, THAT THAT ALONE I, I BELIEVE, QUALIFIES. UM, BUT AT ANY RATE, UM, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF THEM, AND I, I APPRECIATE YOUR LIMITATION BECAUSE WE'D LOVE TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION IF WE CAN GET IT. SO ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I SEE. COMMISSIONER WOODS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YEAH, I THINK THE FACT THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S IN AND IT'S MAINTAINED THAT THAT FEELING FOR SO MANY YEARS, UH, MAKES IT A, A, A GOOD, UM, UH, PROPERTY FOR, FOR PRESERVATION. I, I, VICE CHAIR, I AGREE. UM, I THINK THIS IS A TYPICAL PROPERTY YOU WOULD FIND IN SEDONA IN THE EARLY FIFTIES, BUT NO PLACE ELSE. UH, AND I THINK JUST FOR THAT REASON, BECAUSE IT IDENTIFIES THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION IN THE TYPE OF HOME, UH, THE IDEA OF SHADE, THE IDEA OF CONSTRUCTION, UH, I THINK THAT'S REALLY CENTRIC TO SEDONA. AND I THINK JUST FOR THAT REASON, I THINK IT, IT QUALIFIES. YOU WON'T FIND THAT IN ANY PLACE ELSE, I DON'T THINK. MM-HMM . YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING. UM, WHAT'S NEXT? CARRIE, WHAT DO YOU, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO YOU NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. LET'S SEE. THIS IS WHY I'M ASKING, UH, WE'LL OPEN THE, UH, PUBLIC, UH, HEARING FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON FIVE A. DO WE HAVE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES ON, ON IT? NO. OKAY. , THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE, UH, THE PUBLIC PORTION OF FIVE A AND, UH, OR DO WE, ARE WE TAKING ACTION ON THIS TODAY? YES, YOU ARE. OKAY. OUR AGENDA IS TO TAKE ACTION. POTENTIAL MOTIONS ARE ON PAGE THREE, THREE OF THE PINEWOOD HOUSE PACKET. YEP. I'M ON PAGE 11, SO WHAT THE HECK? OKAY, I CAN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. I'LL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE, UH, TO APPROVE THIS, THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR CASE NUMBER HPC 0 0 0 0 3, TO DESIGNATE THE PINEWOOD HOUSE LOCATED AT 20 PINEWOOD DRIVE AS CITY HISTORIC LANDMARK NUMBER 27. BASED UPON THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE HISTORIC LANDMARK EVALUATION CRITERIA OUTLINED IN THE SEDONA LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE BOUNDARY FOR DESIGNATION ENCOMPASSES THE ENTIRETY OF PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 1 22 0 7 A AND 4 0 1 2 2 0 6 C. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ANY CONVERSATION, ANY COMMENTS BEFOREHAND? CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE THE PROXY MOTION PASSES? YOU HAVE THE PROXY FOR THE CAMERA? YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. PERFECT. , YOU, YOU CAN CONVEY HER SENTIMENTS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO. OKAY, I WILL DO THAT. UM, COMMISSIONER STUPAC, UH, COULD NOT BE WITH US TODAY, BUT SHE DID ASK, UM, THAT, UH, WE SHARE FOR THE RECORD HER SUPPORT FOR, UM, FOR THIS MOTION AS WELL. SO YOU HAVE UNANIMOUS APPROVAL FOR THIS . CONGRATULATIONS. YES, . OKAY. COOL. FIVE [00:20:01] B PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A DESIGNATION OF LANDMARK FOR THE BACKHOE BEYOND HOUSE AT 7 0 5 BACKHOE BEYOND ROAD. THE SUBJECT BUILDING IS 741 SQUARE FEET WITH AN ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION DATE OF 1950. IT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BACKHOE BEYOND ROAD WEST OF THE CATHEDRAL ROCK TRAILHEAD, A PN 4 0 8 DASH THREE DASH 0 2 2 M, AND THIS IS CASE NUMBER HPC 0 0 0 0 4. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO STAFF. OKAY. SO JUST TO DO A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THIS ONE AS WELL. UM, SECOND, LET ME GO. OKAY. SO THIS IS A, UH, LANDMARK DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR, UM, BACKUP BEYOND HOUSE. IT'S REFERRED TO IN THE DOCUMENTS AS POTENTIALLY THE TALL AND THE SADDLE HOUSE, OR THE JOHNNY GUITAR HOUSE. AND, UM, JOHN CAN DETAIL HIS FINDINGS ONCE WE GET TO HIM. BUT IT IS THIS SMALL BUILDING WITHIN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY AT, UM, ON BACK AND BEYOND. UM, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UM, AND AGAIN, SAME DESIGNATION CRITERIA. UM, AND IT IS ALSO BEING RECOMMENDED FOR DESIGNATION UNDER CRITERIA A, UM, AS IT IS DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH SEDONAS FILM INDUSTRY HISTORY, WITH THE RECOMMENDED BOUNDARY BEING THE, UH, FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING. AND SO WITH THAT, I CAN TURN IT BACK OVER TO JOHN TO GIVE THE DETAILS OF HIS RESEARCH AND FINDINGS. CHAIR MYERS. CARRIE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. UH, AGAIN, APOLOGIES ABOUT THE INTERNET. I I WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE SHOWN THE PRESENTATION FOR THIS ONE. THERE ARE A LOT OF VERY COMPELLING PHOTOS. I KNOW THE COMMISSION AND STAFF, UH, HAVE SEEN THE IMAGES. I, I WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE SHOWN THEM FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE ATTENDEES AND THOSE WHO MAY BE WATCHING ONLINE AT A LATER DATE. UH, BUT NONETHELESS, I WILL GO THROUGH THE INFORMATION HERE. THIS PROPERTY WAS NOMINATED AS BEING ASSOCIATED WITH JOHN WAYNE AND A 1944 JOHN WAYNE MOVIE TITLED TO SADDLE. UH, LOOKING INTO THAT DETERMINED, UH, THROUGH NEWSPAPER RESEARCH AND THROUGH OTHER MEANS THAT WHILE BACKGROUND SCENERY WAS SHOT IN SEDONA AND OTHER LOCATIONS IN ARIZONA FOR THAT FILM, UH, THE CREW WAS NEVER IN FACT, IN SEDONA. THAT IS THE ACTING CREW, I SUPPOSE. UH, AND LOOKING INTO IT FURTHER, WE ALSO DETERMINED THAT NO BUILDINGS OR STRUCTURES, SEDONA OR ELSEWHERE, UH, WERE USED IN THE FILM. UH, THE BACKGROUND FOOTAGE THAT WAS SHOT IN ARIZONA WAS USED IN WHAT, AT THE TIME, WAS A REVOLUTIONARY PROCESS. UH, AGAIN, I SUPPOSE TO GREEN SCREEN. IT WOULD BE USED TODAY, SO MM-HMM . ACTORS WOULD BE SHOT IN FRONT OF THAT FOOTAGE. SO FOOTAGE FROM BEVERLY HILL ELSEWHERE, UH, THE ACTORS WOULD THEN ACT IN CALIFORNIA, UH, AT THE STUDIO AND AT A MOVIE RANCH. UH, AND USED THAT AS A BACKGROUND. SO, UH, WE FOUND NOTHING TYING THE PROPERTY TO SADDLE, NOTHING ASSOCIATING IT WITH JOHN WAYNE, NOT AT LEAST WITH JOHN WAYNE AS RELATES TO TOM THE SADDLE NOTE, I WILL SAY, JUST AS IS THE CASE WITH THE OTHER HOUSE, THAT IS CERTAINLY NOT TO SAY THAT JOHN WAYNE, UH, AT SOME POINT WAS NOT IN THE PROPERTY, OR THAT IT WAS NOT, UH, IN A JOHN WAYNE PICTURE THAT WAS SHOT, UH, IN SEDONA AT SOME POINT. UH, WHAT WE DO BELIEVE, HOWEVER, AND WE WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE RATHER CONCLUSIVELY, IS THAT IT WAS IN FACT IN A MOVIE, UH, THAT WAS RELEASED IN 1954. AND THAT WAS A VERY EXCITING FIND BECAUSE FRANKLY, UH, WE HAD ANTICIPATED, GIVEN THE NOMINATION INFORMATION THAT THIS HAD BEEN MOVED FROM SNAP HILL ROAD AT SOME POINT BASED UPON THE MATTER OF CONSTRUCTION, UH, ET CETERA. UH, UH, WE WERE GOING WITH A WORKING THEORY THAT THIS PERHAPS WAS A LINE SHACK OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF BUILDING INTENDED FOR, UH, SHORT TERM OCCUPATION, UH, THAT HAD BEEN RELOCATED, AND PERHAPS IN FACT, UH, HAD NO DEMONSTRABLE ASSOCIATION WITH THE FILM INDUSTRY. [00:25:02] UH, WE DECIDED TO LOOK INTO ALL FILMS, UH, THAT WE COULD IDENTIFY AS HAVING BEEN FILMED IN SEDONA IN ALL OR PART IN THE 1940S AND THE 1950S, UH, WENT DOWN A RABBIT HOLE OF PUBLICITY STILLS FROM THE STUDIOS, UH, AND IDENTIFIED THIS BUILDING AS HAVING BEEN USED IN A MOTION PICTURE NAMED JOHNNY GUITAR, WHICH WAS RELEASED IN 1954 AND WAS SHOT IN SEDONA IN 1953, THE FALL OF 1953. UH, NOW WE WENT THROUGH THAT EXERCISE, AND AS IT TURNED OUT, HAD WE JUST, UH, OPENED ARIZONA'S LITTLE HOLLYWOOD TO THE JOHNNY GUITAR SECTION, WE WOULD'VE SEEN VERY PROMINENTLY THIS BUILDING. UH, SO LESSON LEARNED FOR NEXT TIME, BUT, UH, THE PUBLICITY SKILLS WERE A NICE CORROBORATION TO THAT INFORMATION. UH, WE ARE HIGHLY CONFIDENT THAT IT WAS, UH, THE HIDEAWAY USED IN JOHNNY GUITAR. INITIALLY, WE HAD SOME QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED AT THIS PROPERTY. THAT IS, IF IT HAD EVER IN FACT BEEN RELOCATED, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT JOHNNY GUITAR WAS, UH, SHOT IN GRASSHOPPER FLAT, UH, AROUND COFFEE, POT AND ROCK, GIVEN THE TOPOGRAPHY DISPLAYED IN THE FILM FOR THIS HOUSE, WHICH IN FILM HAS A FRONT PORCH AND IS, UH, BOARDED BY STILTS, UH, IT DOES SEEM HIGHLY LIKELY THAT, UH, ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION, UH, WAS SOMEWHERE TO THE NORTH AND NORTH OF, OF WHERE IT CURRENTLY STANDS. UH, NOW WHAT WE DID IDENTIFY IS THAT THAT LAND WHERE THERE WAS A MOVING STUDIO, WAS OWNED BY A GENTLEMAN NAMED OTTO HOLMAN, WHO ALSO AT ONE POINT OWNED THE LAND ON WHICH THIS PROPERTY NOW SITS. THAT LAND WAS SUBSEQUENTLY PURCHASED BY JANE AND HAL MALONEY. UH, THEY WERE WEALTHY, UH, I BELIEVE MICHIGANDER, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH UPJOHN PHARMACEUTICALS. UH, IT SEEMS THAT THIS BUILDING HAD BEEN RELOCATED TO THE PROPERTY, OF WHICH IT NOW SITS NO LATER THAN 1969. UH, AND WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF A RED ROCK NEWS ARTICLE THAT SHOWS, UH, HAL MALONEY IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING IN 1969 ON HIS PROPERTY. MM-HMM. INSTANTLY, HAL MALONEY HAD, UH, THE FIRST, UH, IT SEEMS PRIVATE, A TENNIS COURT ED ON THAT PROPERTY AT ONE TIME. IT'S NO LONGER ACCIDENT. UH, BUT IF YOU LOOK IN THE UTILITY PANEL FOR THIS BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE MARKING FOR TENNIS COURT LIGHTS, . UH, THERE WE DID FIND ANOTHER NEWSPAPER ARTICLE FROM 1977, UH, GENERAL PROPERTY, UH, ON OR SHOWED THE BUILDING BROTHER ON MR. MALONEY'S PROPERTY. UH, AS RELATES TO INTEGRITY, IT APPEARS TO BE VERY HIGH. UH, WE DO RECOMMEND THIS AS BEING ELIGIBLE, UH, FOR LISTING IN THESE OTHER LANDMARKS INVENTORY UNDER CRITERIA A, THAT IS BROAD PATTERNS OF HISTORY, PARTICULARLY ASSOCIATION WITH ED'S FILM, AND MR. . ED HERITAGE MUSEUM HAS THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE, UH, ON ITS GROUND. I AM NOT AWARE, PERHAPS CHAIRMAN MYS OTHER MEMBERS THE COMMISSION ARE, I'M NOT AWARE OF A TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF EX EXTENT BUILT ENVIRONMENT RESOURCES ASSOCIATED WITH SEDONAS FILM HISTORY, GIVEN, UH, THE LAND OWNERSHIP THAT IS, UH, ALMOND HAVING OWNED, UH, BOTH THE LAND ON WHICH IT MAY IN INITIALLY SIT, SAT RATHER, AND THE LAND ON WHICH THE STUDIO SAT AND THEN HAVING THE OWN, THE OWNED THE LAND ON WHICH THE PROPERTY NOW SITS. UH, IT REALLY IS A VERY INTRIGUING HISTORY, ONE THAT, UH, READILY CONVEYS, UH, A VERY IMPORTANT ASPECT OF SEDONAS FILM HISTORY, AND I BELIEVE IS POTENTIALLY ELIGIBLE FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER AS WELL. AND HERE'S WHERE WE GET INTO THAT LIMITATION, UH, LIMITATION OF BOTH SCOPE AS RELATES TO OUR PROJECT AND LIMITATION OF MATERIALS. THIS PROPERTY SITS IN YAFFA PI COUNTY. UH, LAURA ATTEMPTED TO PULL RECORDS ASSOCIATED WITH CONSTRUCTION OR RELOCATION. UH, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO DO SO AS WE BELIEVE VERY CONCLUSIVELY, BUT IT WAS RELOCATED PRIOR TO THE [00:30:01] INCORPORATION OF SEDONA. UH, THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE RECORDS. WHILE WE WERE ABLE TO FIND PRESS COVERAGE, UH, INCLUDING PICTURES OF THE BUILDING ON AL MALONE'S PROPERTY, UH, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO IDENTIFY ANY, UH, INFORMATION RELATING TO ITS, UH, RELOCATION. PRESUMABLY IT WAS RELOCATED, UH, AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT OF A SUBDIVISION IN OR NEAR, UH, ITS FORMER LOCATION. BUT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT CONCLUSIVELY SHOULD THE COMMISSION WISH TO RESEARCH IT FURTHER, UH, WE DID IDENTIFY AN ARCHIVE IN LOS ANGELES ASSOCIATED WITH FILM STUDIOS. AND, UH, THIS FILM IN PARTICULAR THAT MAY WELL BE ABLE TO, UM, DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS IN FACT CONSTRUCTED FOR JOHNNY GUITAR. WE DO KNOW THAT IN 1953, THE FILM STUDIO SENT A, THAT A 30 CONSTRUCT WORK SENT A GROUP OF 30 CONSTRUCTION WORKERS FOR SET CONSTRUCTION. SO IT IS ENTIRELY PLAUSIBLE. IT WAS BUILT FOR THE FILM. MM-HMM . THAT SAID, IT'S ALSO PLAUSIBLE THAT IT HAD PREVIOUSLY EXISTED, UH, AND WAS USED FOR THE FILM. I, I WOULD THINK THAT'S PLAUSIBLE, ALTHOUGH PERHAPS LESS LIKELY. UH, AND AGAIN, IT, IT IS PLAUSIBLE THAT IT WAS USED IN OTHER FILMS. SO THERE IS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OUT THERE SHOULD BE COMMISSION WISHED TO PURSUE IT, TO ENHANCE THE DOCUMENTATION OF THIS PROPERTY AS RELATES TO CRITERION A, TO SUPPORT A POTENTIAL NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION OR, UH, AS RELATES TO HOW THE PROPERTY WAS NOMINATED. THAT IS NOT JUST AN ASSOCIATION WITH JOHN WAYNE CAN TELL IN THE SADDLE, BUT AS A, UH, EXAMPLE OF MOVIE SET CONSTRUCTION TYPE OF TEMPORARY, OFTEN FALSE FRONT CONSTRUCTION YOU WOULD FIND FOR MOVIE SETS, ALTHOUGH THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE. UH, SHOULD THERE BE RECORD OF ITS CONSTRUCTION? UH, THE COMMISSION MAY WELL BE ABLE TO, UH, FLESH OUT THE LISTING AS ONE FOR BOTH A AND C IF IT CAN BE DEMONSTRATED THAT IT IS IN FACT, UH, BUILT SPECIFICALLY FOR A MOVIE BY, UH, A SET CONSTRUCTION CREW. UH, BUT AGAIN, WE BELIEVE IT IS ELIGIBLE UNDER A, UH, AND WE ARE NOT RULING OUT A FUTURE B ELIGIBILITY. SHOULD ADDITIONAL INFORMATION COME TO LIGHT WITH THAT TERM HONORS, I WILL TURN IT BACK TO YOU. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. UM, I'LL SAY, UH, THE, THE DISCOVERY OF THE, THE JOHNNY GUITAR CONNECTION, UM, YOU'RE VERY PROFESSIONAL IN YOUR, IN YOUR PRESENTATION HERE, SO YOU'RE NOT BELAYING THE EXCITEMENT YOU HAD, BUT YOU EMAILED ME WITH THAT, AND, UH, IT WAS A VERY EXCITING MOMENT, UM, WHEN YOU SENT ME THOSE PICTURES, SO THAT WAS VERY COOL. UM, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSION FOR, UH, FOR COMMENT. WE'D LIKE TO START. OKAY. COMMISSIONER FEENEY. UM, KAREN STUPAK AND I HAD GONE DOWN INITIALLY, UM, TO, UH, BACK BEYOND TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROPERTY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NOTICED ABOUT THE PROPERTY IS, UH, THE INITIAL CONSTRUCTION THAT HAD BEEN DONE ON IT AS WHAT I KIND OF REFER TO AS CRATE CONSTRUCTION. IT WAS ENTIRELY, UH, PLANK AND, BUT WITH THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION IT WAS BUILT TO BE EXTREMELY RIGID, COULD BE PICKED UP AND MOVED, UH, FROM PLACE TO PLACE. AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE INITIAL INTENT WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED. THIS WAS NOT UNUSUAL FOR, FOR FILM STUDIOS TO DO THIS. I'VE SEEN THAT IN OLD TUCSON AS WELL. UH, SO AT ANY RATE, UH, SO WE WERE IMPRESSED WITH THAT, AND WE WERE PRETTY SURE THAT WE COULD CONFIRM THAT IT WAS BUILT AS PART OF A MOVIE SET. OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD NOT BE MOVED TODAY BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT HAD BEEN PUT ON IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN MR. MALONEY HAD IT. SO, UM, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. UH, THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW SURVIVORS AND, UH, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WHAT WE DO HERE IN JUST A FEW MINUTES. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WOODS. YEAH, I REALLY APPRECIATED THE PACKET THAT YOU GUYS PUT TOGETHER, AND YOU JUST HAD SOME OTHER HISTORY ABOUT THE MALONEYS AND THAT PROPERTY INCLUDED IN THERE, AND IT'S JUST, UH, UH, SOMEBODY DID A LOT OF WORK MM-HMM . BUT IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY A LOT OF, OF FUN TO, UH, KIND OF GO OVER THAT INFORMATION, AND I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT. YEAH. AND I WILL SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TENNIS COURTS CAME UP DURING OUR SITE VISIT WHERE COMMISSIONER WOODS BROUGHT UP . I, I THINK THIS IS WHERE THE FIRST TENNIS COURT [00:35:01] IN TOWN WAS OUT HERE, SO YEAH. GOOD MEMORY. . WELL, YOU, YOU AND YOUR REPORT, I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO LONG, BUT YOU MENTIONED THE MALONEYS AND HAL HAD THAT, UH, STARTED PING PONG TOURNAMENTS EARLY ON, AND I, I THINK I PLAYED IN THAT FIRST ONE . WOW. AND, UH, I, I KNOW MY FATHER AND MOTHER DID, BUT, BUT, UH, I'D HAVE BEEN 10 YEARS OLD, AND I KNOW I LOST TO, UH, ANOTHER ONE OF MY BUDDIES, JOHNNY, I'M FORGETTING HIS LAST NAME RIGHT NOW, GUITAR . BUT, AND THEN HAL ALSO WAS REALLY INSTRUMENTAL IN OUR, UM, ST. PATRICK'S DAY PARADE. UH, HE MAY HAVE BEEN THE FIRST GRAND MARSHAL, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. BUT HE, HE WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY INSTRUMENTAL IN KEEPING THAT THING GOING AND STILL GOING TODAY MM-HMM . MM-HMM . SO TRUE VICE CHAIR EGNER. YEP. SOUNDS GOOD. YEAH. GOOD RESEARCH. YEAH, INCREDIBLE RESEARCH, UH, BY YOU GUYS. I MEAN, I, I, WHEN THIS CAME THROUGH, I WATCHED THE FILM AND I WAS LIKE THE TALL IN THE SADDLE FILM WHEN WE THOUGHT THAT WAS MAYBE THE CONNECTION. AND, AND I WAS LIKE, BOY, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT IN THERE, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. COULD HAVE BEEN IN B ROLL THAT DIDN'T MAKE THE FILM. I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. BUT, UH, SO WHEN YOU GUYS CAME BACK WITH, UH, THE TALL AND THE SADDLE, UH, I MEAN THE, UH, THE JOHNNY GUITAR CONNECTION, THAT'S, THAT WAS FANTASTIC. AND TO KNOW THAT POTENTIALLY DOWN THE ROAD IF THE, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER SO CHOSE, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY PURSUE, UH, NATIONAL LISTING I THINK IS GREAT BECAUSE, UH, AS YOU MENTIONED JOHN, AS JACK MENTIONED, THERE AREN'T A WHOLE LOT OF, UH, THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT REMAINS FROM THE, FROM THE MOVIE DAYS. RIGHT. UM, AND SO TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE THIS AND RECOGNIZE THIS, I THINK IS, IS REALLY OUTSTANDING. SO, UM, WITH THAT, I GUESS, UH, WE'LL TURN TO THE PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT SECTION OF THIS. UM, IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THEIR THREE MINUTES AND, UH, AND COMMENT ON THIS? I SEE THE PROPERTY OWNERS SAYING, NO, . UM, THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE, UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION OF THAT AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, ENTERTAINING A MOTION, UM, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DO SO. AND AGAIN, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE ON PAGE THREE OF YOUR PACKET. I'LL DO IT. MAKE SURE I'M RUNNING THE RIGHT ONE. YEAH. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR CASE NUMBER HPC DASH 0 0 0 0 4 TO DESIGNATE THE JOHNNY GUITAR HOUSE LOCATED AT 7 0 5 BACK AND BEYOND ROAD AS A CITY HISTORIC LANDMARK NUMBER 28. BASED UPON THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE HISTORIC LANDMARK EVALUATION CRITERIA OUTLINED IN THE SEDONA LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE BOUNDARY FOR DESIGNATION ENCOMPASSES THE APPROXIMATELY 7 41 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY. UH, BEFORE WE TAKE THE FINAL VOTE, I HAVE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION HERE. UM, THE MOTION, UH, REFERS TO IT AS THE JOHNNY GUITAR HOUSE. THE APPLICATION REFERS TO IT AS THE TALL AND THE SADDLE HOUSE, WHICH I THINK WE CAN ELIMINATE AS AN APPROPRIATE NAME FOR IT. UH, AND THE AGENDA REFERS TO IT AS THE BACKHOE BEYOND HOUSE. UM, SO DO WE NEED TO CLARIFY WHAT IT SHOULD BE CALLED? MM-HMM . UM, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, SO THAT WE'RE VERY CLEAR HERE, I'M OKAY WITH IT BEING THE JOHNNY GUITAR HOUSE. I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, UM, WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON THAT. AND THAT'S THE NAME I SEE THE PROPERTY OWNERS NODDING. SO , I WOULD MOTION THAT WE CHANGE THE NAME, UH, TO JOHNNY GUITAR HOUSE. THAT WAS WHAT? THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE MOTION. IT'S IN THE MOTION, YEAH. SO I THINK WE'RE OKAY IF YOU GUYS ALL AGREE THAT THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE NAME. OKAY. YEAH, THE MOTION WAS JOHNNY GUITAR HOUSE, SO, OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY BEFORE WE TOOK THAT VOTE AND CAUSE CONFUSION. POST VOTE . OKAY. UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. GREAT. UM, AND ONCE AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR COMMISSIONER STUPAC, WHO I KNOW YOU'VE WORKED WITH VERY CLOSELY, UH, TO GET THIS ON THE COMMISSION'S RADAR, UH, TO MOVE THIS THROUGH. UM, SHE'S VERY UPSET THAT SHE COULDN'T BE HERE FOR THIS. UM, BUT UH, SHE DID WANT YOU TO KNOW SHE'S VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, UH, NOMINATION. SO, UM, YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. UH, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT POINT, UH, SIX, UPDATE ON HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY UPDATE. YES, . UM, SO, UM, LOGAN SIMPSON, JOHN [00:40:01] SOUTHARD. THEY ARE ALSO OUR CONSULTANTS WHO ARE WORKING ON THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY UPDATE. SO WE THOUGHT WE'D TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEM BEING HERE FOR THE LANDMARKS TO JUST GET A QUICK UPDATE ON THE STATUS THERE. WE ARE WORKING THROUGH, UM, THE UPDATES. I KNOW THEIR TEAM HAS BEEN UP IN SEDONA. WE'VE BEEN, UM, ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS HAS BEEN OUT TAKING SOME PICTURES OF BUILDINGS THEY COULDN'T QUITE GET TO IN THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS, AND WE'RE GETTING, UM, CLOSER TO A DRAFT, I BELIEVE. BUT JOHN WANTS TO, AND AMANDA IS, IS WITH HIM AS WELL, IF EITHER OF THEM WANNA JUMP IN AND GIVE A MORE ROBUST UPDATE. JERE MYERS, UH, CARRIE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES. UH, I DO HAVE AMANDA PETERS WITH ME, MY COLLEAGUE. SHE WAS, UH, ONE OF TWO FOLKS ON MY TEAM WHO FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GO UP, JUST DONE IT FOR A FEW DAYS AND SURVEY A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES. UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS AT THE TIME OF THE FIRE. UH, SO A BIT HAZY, BUT, UH, ALWAYS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE. AMANDA, I WILL ASK IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SHARE THE PRESENTATIONS SINCE YOU HAVE AN INTERNET THAT EXCEEDS A L TYPE . GREAT. IS THAT UP AND GOOD TO HIM? YEP. YES, WE CAN SEE IT. YEP. THAT'S SEE IT. UH, FANTASTIC. WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT A QUICK OVERVIEW. I KNOW, UH, AT THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION IN MAY WHEN WE'RE STARTING THE PROJECT, WE DISCUSSED THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, WHAT WORK WOULD LOOK LIKE, GOALS WE DISCUSSED WITH THE IGNITION, UH, PROPERTIES OUTSIDE OF, UH, THOSE THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN SURVEYED AND DETERMINED ELIGIBLE THAT THEY WISHED TO SEE SURVEYED. WE CONTINUED TO WORK WITH STAFF TO REFINE THAT LIST. UH, REALLY THIS PROJECT, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT THE ENTIRE TEAM HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH. AND AMANDA, IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND, JUST TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE. AS A REMINDER, THE LOGAN SIMPSON HISTORIC PRESERVATION TEAM, UH, INCLUDES MYSELF. UH, I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS EFFORT. IT WAS AT ONE TIME THE CITY OF ATTENDEE, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER AND CHAIR OF THE SCOTTSDALE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION PROCESS THAT ON THE ARIZONA HISTORIC SITES REVIEW COMMITTEE. AND I MEET THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATIONS STANDARDS FOR BOTH, UH, HISTORY AND ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY. MARIAH JONES, UH, IS AN ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN AND HISTORIAN, AGAIN, MEETS THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATIONS STANDARDS. UH, WAS FORMERLY THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT COORDINATOR FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE, LAURA PALMER BLANDFORD, WHO WAS MENTIONED, UH, DURING THE SLI NOMINATION PRESENTATIONS WAS FORMERLY THE ARIZONA STATE ARCHIVIST. SHE MEETS THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATIONS STANDARDS FOR HISTORY. AND AMANDA, MY COLLEAGUE, WHO IS ON TODAY, UH, TO FORMERLY WORK FOR THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AT MANY PROPERTIES AND IS A HISTORIAN AND ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN WHO MEETS THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATION STANDARDS. SO WE'VE ALL HAD A ROLE IN THIS PROJECT, AND AS A REMINDER, THIS PROJECT HAS, UH, SIX TASKS. SO WE HAVE THE INITIATION AND COORDINATION THAT IS WORKING WITH THE COMMISSION, WORKING WITH CITY STAFF. THE PRESENTATION THAT I GAVE TO THIS BODY IN MAY, THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD, UH, WITH CITY STAFF AS WE'VE MOVED, UH, THROUGH THE PROCESS HERE. UH, TASK B, WHICH REALLY TASK C WAS INITIATED PRIOR TO THE TASK B BEING FIELD SURVEY, GETTING OUT ON THE GROUND, UH, LOOKING AT THE PROPERTIES, DOCUMENTING THEM PHOTOGRAPHICALLY, UH, TAKING NOTES, REVIEWING THEM FOR INTEGRITY, TAKING THAT INFORMATION, PAIRING IT WITH WHAT IS DETERMINED THROUGH TASK C. THAT IS THE HISTORICAL RESEARCH TO DETERMINE SIGNIFICANCE, UH, TO DETERMINE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES AND TO EVALUATE THE INFORMATION THAT WAS COMPILED DURING THE FIELD SURVEY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT A PROPERTY IS ABLE TO, UH, CONVEY SIGNIFICANCE IF IT POSSESSES SIGNIFICANCE, AND IS ABLE TO CONVEY SIGNIFICANCE BASED UPON ITS INTEGRITY. FROM THERE, AND WE'VE BEEN WRAPPING UP THIS TASK, UH, IS THE EVALUATION THAT IS LOOKING AT THE PROPERTIES AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS PUT FORWARD IN TERMS OF ELIGIBILITY. TASK E IS A BIT OF A SLEEPER TO ME, AT LEAST. I KNOW THEY'RE FOLKS QUITE EXCITED ABOUT IT. TO INCLUDE FOLKS THAT I WORK WITH, THAT IS THE DATA AND GIS INTEGRATION, ENSURING THAT THE GIS OR GIS INFORMATION MAPPING THAT WE PUT FORWARD FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, APPLIES [00:45:01] WITH SHIPPO STANDARD TO SOMETHING THAT IS IN A USEFUL FORMAT FOR THE CITY, AND SOMETHING THAT WILL PROVIDE VALUE MOVING FORWARD IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO BE INTEGRATED INTO OTHER INTERFACES, UH, AND OTHER REPORTS AND PROCESSES AS, UH, FURTHER DEVELOPMENTS OR REDEVELOPMENTS ARE CONSIDERED, UH, THAT MAY POTENTIALLY AFFECT THESE PROPERTIES. THE FINAL TASK F IS PRODUCTION OF THE FINAL REPORT. AT THIS STAGE, WE ANTICIPATE HAVING A DRAFT READY FOR REVIEW BY, I BELIEVE SEPTEMBER 1ST. WE DID PROVIDE DRAFT, ALTHOUGH NOT, NOT QUALITY CONTROLLED, UH, DRAFTS, UH, WHICH WAS MY ERROR, BUT WE DID PROVIDE DRAFT, UH, HISTORIC PROPERTY INVENTORY FORMS, UH, TO STAFF, AND THE TEAM IS GOING THROUGH AND ENSURING THAT, UH, THE QUALITY CONTROL PROCESS IS COMPLETE. WE HAVE A VERY RIGOROUS QUALITY CONTROL PROCESS. I GOT A BIT EXCITED. I HEARD THEY WERE DONE. I GOT, UH, A HOLD OF THEM, PASSED THEM ON, SO THAT WAS ON ME. BUT, UH, THIS IS THE PROCESS WE'VE MOVED FROM ALONG THE FIELD. SURVEY HAS BEEN COMPLETED. MARIAH AND AMANDA COMPLETED. UH, THE RESEARCH IS COMPLETE. THEY'RE WELL INTO DRAFTING, AND AT THIS POINT, EDITING AND REVISING FOR SUBMISSION, THE FINAL REPORT, AND TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THE GIS INTEGRATION IS COMPLETE AS WELL. SO WE ARE ON TIMELINE. WE ANTICIPATED THAT THE REPORT WOULD BE DELIVERED, UM, A DRAFT OF IT APPROXIMATELY SEVEN MONTHS IN. WE ANTICIPATED THAT THE, UH, REVIEW PROCESS, INCLUDING THE SUBMISSION WITH STAFF, WITH THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE, UH, WOULD TAKE AN ADDITIONAL TWO MONTHS OR SO. SO WE ARE RIGHT ON TARGET. THAT'S A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW, BUT, UH, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO AMANDA BECAUSE SHE IS A, A VERY GRANULAR OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE TEAM HAS DONE THUS FAR AND WHAT THE COMMISSION, UH, CAN EXPECT IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND WHAT THEY WILL BE RECEIVING. SO AMANDA, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, CARRY ON THE FLOOR, IS YOURS. NO. AWESOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, SO THAT IS OUR TEAM. UH, HERE IS GONNA BE OUR UPDATE. SO, UH, WE APPROACHED THIS PROJECT BY LOOKING AT WHAT HAD BEEN DONE BEFORE. UM, PREVIOUSLY THERE HAD BEEN CITYWIDE SURVEYS OF SEDONA HISTORIC PROPERTIES, UH, FIRST ONE STARTING IN 1992. UH, THAT WAS PRIOR TO THE CITY ACTUALLY GETTING A, UH, HISTORIC RESERVATION COMMISSION. UH, AFTER THAT, WHICH I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 9 6, 9 7, UM, THE COMMISSION STARTED LISTING. AND SO THEY DECIDED TO DO A 10 YEAR UPDATE. SO THERE WAS AN UPDATE IN 2001, AND THEN THE MOST RECENT UPDATE WAS IN 2014 BY CONSULTANT NANCY BURGESS, WHO KIND OF GREW UPON, UH, PREVIOUSLY DETERMINED ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES AND LISTED PROPERTIES. UM, AND THEN WE CAME IN AND WE IDENTIFIED WHAT HAD BEEN SURVEYED PREVIOUSLY, WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE, UH, HISTORIC. UM, AND SO WE LOOKED AT EXISTING, UH, SEDONA HISTORIC LANDMARKS. THERE AREN'T ANY PROPERTIES CURRENTLY LISTED ON A SEDONA HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, SO WE WERE KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT AS A POSSIBILITY AS WELL. WE LOOKED AT PROPERTIES DETERMINED TO BE ELIGIBLE IN THAT PREVIOUS SURVEY. AND THEN WE FOUND NEW PROPERTIES. IN TOTAL, WE SURVEYED 81 PROPERTIES, UH, WHICH INCLUDED 77 BUILDINGS, ONE GRAVEYARD AND ONE STRUCTURED. UH, WE DID FIND THAT THREE PREVIOUSLY SURVEYED BUILDINGS HAD BEEN LOST, UM, SINCE 2014. HMM. SO THE SURVEY PROCESS THAT WE TOOK WAS, WE TOOK PHOTOS, NOTES ON MATERIALS AND, UM, CONDITION DESIGN ELEMENTS AND STYLES, UM, WHICH WOULD ASSIST US AS WE WERE WRITING UP OUR SURVEY REPORT AND OUR HISTORIC PROPERTY HOME FARMS. UM, SOME PROPERTIES WEREN'T INACCESSIBLE. ONE WAS UP NORTH, UH, DUE TO A HIGHWAY ENCLOSURE BECAUSE OF THE FIRE. UM, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO ACCESS THAT. UM, A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES ARE ON PRIVATE PROPERTIES AND WERE ON PRIVATE DRIVEWAY, SO WE COULDN'T ACCESS THEM THAT WAY. WE HAD A, A DOCUMENT FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, AND A LOT OF THOSE PROPERTIES WERE BEHIND VEGETATION, SO WE COULDN'T READILY PHOTOGRAPH THEM IN A MEANINGFUL WAY. AND I WILL, UH, INTERJECT HERE. YEAH, APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING. I [00:50:01] WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WE DID IN FACT RECEIVE AN EMAIL TODAY, I BELIEVE WITH A LINK TO PHOTOS. UH, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE. YEAH, I BELIEVE IT WAS A COMMISSIONER WHO SENT THAT. YEAH, THANK YOU. IT WAS ONE OF OUR ASSISTANCE. AND, SORRY, UH, JUST UPDATE THE GROUP. WE DO HAVE THOSE SURVEYS THAT WERE, WERE PHOTOS RATHER THAT WERE REQUESTED. YEAH. IT WAS ONE OF OUR PLANNERS WHO, WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE. UM, SO THIS IS ONE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE SURVEYED IN, UH, WEST SEDONA. IT'S THE RED ROCK COTTAGE. UM, THIS YEAR IT SEEMS THAT THE ROOF AND THE WOOD PORCH AND THE TOP OF THE CHIMNEY HAVE BEEN REMOVED. SO THIS IS WHY SURVEYS ARE, UH, IMPORTANT BECAUSE I MEAN, SINCE 2014, THIS THING HAS JUST BEEN SITTING THERE. AND THEN FOR SURVEYS IN THIS YEAR, THEY DECIDED TO TAKE OFF THE ROOF, BUT THE WINDOWS ARE STILL THERE. THE DOOR IS STILL THERE. UM, SO THAT WAS AN INTERESTING FIND. WE DID LOOK AT THE 25 STONE NEXT DOOR LANDMARKS, UH, IN THE CITY. AND THAT WAS MORE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT INFORMATION AND CONDITION AND THE PHOTOGRAPHS ARE UP TO DATE. UH, ALL THOSE, EVERYTHING WAS FOUND TO BE EXACTLY AS THEY HAD BEEN WHEN THEY WERE LISTED. UM, THERE WERE ALSO EIGHT RESOURCES LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER STORE PLACES. AGAIN, WE WERE JUST DOING KIND OF JUST SPOT CHECKING, MAKING SURE NOTHING HAD CHANGED. UM, SO THESE INCLUDE THE HEART STORE, WHICH IS INDIVIDUAL, THE SEDONA RANGER STATION, WHICH HAS THE BARN, THE RESIDENCE, AND THE PUMP HOUSE, AND THEN THE THREE BUILDINGS AT THE JORDAN RANCH, WHICH INCLUDES THE TRACTOR TRAILER, THE RESIDENCE, AND THE BARN. UM, AND THEN THE CHAPEL OF THE HOLY CROSS. SO WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE. EVERYTHING WAS GREAT. UM, AND THEN WE WENT AND LOOKED AT 47 PREVIOUSLY ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES. SO THOSE HAD BEEN, UH, DETERMINED TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR POTENTIAL LISTING EITHER IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER OR IN THE STONE LANDMARK, UH, LISTING. UM, SO THIS IS ONE OF THEM. AND THEN WE ALSO IDENTIFIED NINE NEW PROPERTIES. UM, THIS ONE WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE FIELD. IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING, UM, I GUESS WE CALL IT MID-CENTURY MODERN. UH, IT'S, IT'S A CUSTOM ONE IN THAT IT HAS THIS VERY UNIQUE, UM, ROOF LINE. UM, THE MATERIALS WERE PRETTY MUCH INTACT, SO, UH, WE DID IDENTIFY THAT. WE HAD SOME SUGGESTIONS COME IN FROM THE COMMISSION OR THE CITY THAT WE IDENTIFIED AS WELL AND DOCUMENTED. AND SO IT'S A LITTLE BACKWARDS THE WAY THAT THE THING IS LISTED. BUT, UM, SO WE HAD OUR SURVEY AND WE ALSO CREATED A HISTORIC CONTEXT. IT WAS JUST KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITY'S HISTORY. UM, HERE ARE THE THEMES THAT WE DECIDED TO LOOK AT, SO EARLY HUMANS IN THE REGION AND THEIR DESCENDANTS. SO JUST GIVING ACKNOWLEDGEMENT TO, UM, THE LAND USAGE BY THE INDIGENOUS POPULATIONS OF THE AREA. UH, THIS INCLUDE THE YELLOW PIE AND THE TCHO APACHE. AND THEN WE LOOKED AT THE HISTORY OF THE SETTLEMENT AND THE, UH, OF SEDONA AND KIND OF THE RISE OF THE NATIONAL FOREST AND AGRICULTURAL IMPROVEMENT INDUSTRIES IN THE CITY AND THESE EARLY SETTLEMENT FAMILIES AS WELL. AND THEN KIND OF THE SHIFT IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY FROM THAT EARLY AGRICULTURAL INTO, UH, FILM, UH, LOCATION, AND A RESORT DESTINATION, UH, WHICH THEN TRANSITIONED INTO KIND OF AN EARTH AND TOURISM CITY AS IT IS TODAY. WHAT WE LOOKED AT AS WE WERE DOING THIS RESEARCH WAS HISTORICAL LOCAL NEWSPAPERS SUCH AS THE STONE BY ROCK NEWS, BUT ALSO BROADER, UH, STATE NEWSPAPERS. WE LOOKED AT THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES NOMINATIONS, WHICH GIVE GREAT HISTORIC BACKGROUND HISTORY OF THE FOREST. THE STONE HERITAGE MUSEUM HAS SOME AMAZING EXHIBITION AND HISTORY INFORMATION, MIXED WORKS SOCIETY, ARIZONA MEMORY PROJECT HAS A LOT OF GREAT ARCHIVES ON IT, AS WELL AS, UH, LIBRARIES AND ARCHIVES AT UNIVERSITIES IN ARIZONA. SO THEN WE EVALUATED THESE PROPERTIES TO SEE IF THEY WERE ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING AS EITHER AN INDIVIDUAL LOCAL, UH, SEDONA HISTORIC LANDMARK, OR PART OF A POTENTIAL SEDONA HISTORIC DISTRICT, OR IF THEY POTENTIALLY HAVE, UM, THE ELIGIBILITY BE LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER INDIVIDUALLY AS, OR AS FAR AS THE DISTRICTS EITHER A RESULT GRAPH. UM, SO THE [00:55:01] WHITE BLUE ARE SEDONA HISTORIC LANDMARKS. THE DARK BLUE IS GONNA BE WHAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN, UM, SURVEYED. AND THEN THE WHITE GRAY IS WHAT WE SURVEYED AS NEW PROPERTIES. UM, THERE WERE EIGHT LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER, WHICH WERE PART ARE ALSO, UH, SEDONA LANDMARK. WE HAD, WE FOUND THAT 15 OF THOSE HISTORIC SEDONA LANDMARKS ARE POTENTIALLY ELIGIBLE FOR NATIONAL REGISTER LISTING. UM, 11 OF THE PREVIOUSLY SURVEYED WERE ALSO POTENTIALLY ELIGIBLE FOR A NATIONAL REGISTER LISTING TO GET A DRINK OF WATER. A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE SURVEYED ARE REALLY GREAT EXAMPLES OF MISS CENTURY MODERN, UM, PROPERTIES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE LISTED AS THE LOCAL HISTORIC, UH, STONE HISTORIC LANDMARK, UH, OR AS PART OF THE DISTRICT. WE DID FIND SIX OF 'EM HAD BEEN, UH, CONSIDERED INELIGIBLE SINCE 2014, JUST BECAUSE OF EXTENSIVE ALTERATIONS AND CHANGES TO THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY NO LONGER, UM, HAVE THAT INTEGRITY. AND THEN WE DID FIND THAT UNFORTUNATELY, THREE PROPERTIES WERE NO LONGER EXISTING. UH, SO WE, I'VE, WE AS A TEAM HAVE INTEGRATED THE, THIS PHOTOS, THE INFORMATION AND THE HISTORY INTO INDIVIDUAL FORMS FOR EACH PROPERTY, UM, WITH MAPS. AND THEN EVENTUALLY, AND SEAN SAID WE WON'T BE GETTING A SURVEY REPORT, WHICH KIND OF CONDENSES ALL THIS INFORMATION THAT WE FOUND INTO A DOCUMENT THAT CAN BE USED FOR, UM, UH, REFERENCING AND GIVING SUGGESTIONS AS TO WHAT DISTRICTS COULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE CITY FOR LISTING AND WHAT INDIVIDUAL ONES AS WELL. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU, UM, FOR THAT, UH, FOR ALL THE WORK YOU GUYS HAVE PUT INTO THIS. UH, I'VE DEFINITELY SEEN THE LOGAN SIMPSON, UH, TRUCK AROUND TOWN A COUPLE OF TIMES. I SAW IT, UH, IN FRONT OF THE JAROS, UM, BUILDING, UH, A FEW WEEKS AGO. SO I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN OUT DOING YOUR, UH, DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE. UM, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO COMMISSIONERS IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. UM, I, I THINK ABOUT THIS. I, I THINK THIS IS EXTREMELY WELL DONE, AND I THINK THIS SHOULD BE A SHORT PRESENTATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DO. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY FUND US EVERY YEAR WE DO OUR MEETINGS, THEY COME BACK AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN WRITING A WHITE PAPER OR REALLY, BUT I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD SURVEY OF, OF WHAT THIS GROUP DOES. SO MM-HMM . UM, KUDOS. YOU DID A GREAT JOB. I THINK WE SHOULD SHARE IT. AND THE OTHER COMMENT I WOULD HAVE ON THESE TWO PROPERTIES TODAY THAT WE'VE, UM, UH, IDENTIFIED, UH, WHO IS GOING TO WRITE UP THE PRESS RELEASE AND IS THE PRESS RELEASE GONNA BE FOLLOWED UP, UH, AND PURSUED? JANINE USED TO DO THAT TYPE OF THING. AND IT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ANYMORE. MM-HMM . BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS SHOULD GET OUT, NOT JUST, NOT JUST SOMETHING TO THE PAPER, BUT ACTUALLY FOLLOW IT UP IN SOME PHONE CALLS MADE. THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT. GREAT. COMMISSIONER WOODS, UH, JUST REALLY, REALLY FORTUNATE TO HAVE THIS GROUP HELPING US WITH THIS. AND IT WAS TIMELY TOO, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST COUPLE PROPERTIES WE HAVE, UH, BROUGHT ON MM-HMM . SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE ANYWAYS. MM-HMM . SO THAT WAS, IS, IS A PRETTY SPECIAL NIGHT. MM-HMM . AGREED. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO ADD. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE, THE FINAL REPORT. WE'LL FORGIVE YOU, YOUR EXCITEMENT IN FORWARDING THE, UH, THE NOT QUITE READY FOR, FOR PRESS VERSIONS, JOHN. UM, WE EXCITED TOO. SO, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT. UM, SEPTEMBER 1ST IS COMING RIGHT UP. SO THAT'S, YOU GUYS MOVE FAST. OUTSTANDING. IT IS OUTSTANDING. SO WILL, UH, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR CARRIE. UM, WILL THE, UH, THE TEAM FROM LOGAN SIMPSON THEN COME BACK AND PRESENT A FINAL PRESENTATION TO US? OR HOW IS THIS GONNA WORK MOVING FORWARD? YEAH, SO ONCE WE GET THE, THE DRAFT, UM, WE WILL DISTRIBUTE THAT TO YOU AS WELL. IT'LL LIKELY BE WHAT WE TALK ABOUT AT YOUR NEXT MEETING, UM, IF THE SEPTEMBER 1ST DATE HAPPENS, AND I HAVE NO DOUBT OR I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THEY WON'T DO WHAT THEY SAY. UM, SO YEAH, WE WOULD JUST WORK THROUGH IT AND WHETHER ATTENDING VIRTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS WORKS TODAY MM-HMM . MM-HMM . SURE. SO, UM, YEAH, SO WE'LL JUST WORK THROUGH IT AND YES, ONCE THIS IS DONE, UM, IT WOULD BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AS WELL. OKAY. AT LEAST GIVEN TO THEM FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES. YEAH. I MEAN, A A PUBLIC PRESENTATION ACCOUNT WOULD BE GREAT. I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT IN CONTROL [01:00:01] OF THAT. . ALL RIGHT. COOL. ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION ON THIS? FANTASTIC. UM, DO WE NEED TO OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO. YOU'RE WELCOME TO IF THERE'S ANY CARDS. ARE THERE ANY CARDS? WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT. NO CARDS. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND, UM, COOL. UH, WE'LL JUST SAY THANK YOU GUYS, UH, SO MUCH FOR THAT DETAILED PRESENTATION AND ALL THE, ALL THE GREAT WORK YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING, UM, ON ALL THESE PROJECTS PRESENTED TODAY. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. GOOD JOB. THANK YOU, TREVOR. GOOD JOB. HAVE A GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. YEP, YOU TOO. THANK YOU. UM, NUMBER SEVEN, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. I GUESS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, UH, OUR NEXT MEETING, . SO YEAH, OFFICIALLY WE'LL BE BACK TO THE SECOND MONDAY OF THE MONTH. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE 14TH OF SEPTEMBER. YES. UM, GIVEN THAT THE MONDAY BEFORE THAT IS LABOR DAY, WE'LL PROBABLY DISTRIBUTE THE PACKET, UM, WHICH WOULD HAVE THE, THE DRAFT OF THIS, UM, IF WE GET IT EARLY, WE MIGHT DO IT BEFORE THE, THE LONG WEEKEND, BUT THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS ON THE AGENDA. GREAT. FOR THE 14TH. AND I THINK THAT'LL BE ENOUGH , BUT IF ANYONE HAS ANYTHING ELSE THEY'D LIKE TO SEE ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. YEP, WE'RE GOOD. FANTASTIC. UM, EXECUTIVE SESSION. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. UH, SO AT THIS POINT WE WILL, UM, I'M GLAD MY PRINTOUT PUT NUMBER NINE ON A SECOND PAGE. WE'LL, UH, WE'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 5 0 1. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.