* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. TO DO THAT. [00:00:01] WHAT? OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. [1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL ] WELCOME TO THE CITY OF SEDONA COUNCIL MEETING. COULD I PLEASE HAVE QUIET IN THE AUDIENCE? WE'RE STARTING THE MEETING. THANK YOU. OKAY. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ON A NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE. I'D LIKE TO DEDICATE TO AN ICON WHO PASSED AWAY TODAY. DOLLY PARTON. OKAY. MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? MAYOR PLU. HERE. VICE MAYOR FOLTZ. PRESENT. COUNCILOR DUNN. EXCUSED. COUNCILOR FURMAN? HERE. COUNCILOR HOSSEINI. PRESENT. COUNSELOR KINSELLA. HERE. COUNSELOR FAFF. PRESENT. OKAY. UM, [3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE ] WE'RE GONNA HAVE A COUPLE OF, OF THE CONSENT ITEMS PULLED. THAT WOULD BE E AND F. SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR THOSE THAT WILL REMAIN? YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. MAYOR TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE. A, B, C, AND D. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY, MAYOR, [3.f. AB 3371 Approval of purchase of the Mulithog CV 350 street sweeper from Norwood Equipment, Inc. in an amount not-to-exceed $245,405.59. ] I'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE ITEM THREE F, WHICH IS THE MULTI HOG CB THREE 50 STREET SWEEPER. UH, THIS IS PENDING, UH, FURTHER RESEARCH BEING DONE BY STAFF AND IT'LL COME FORWARD, FUTURE WHEN THEY'RE READY. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. AND ITEM E, WE'LL DISCUSS UNDER REGULAR BUSINESS. OKAY, WE HAVE SOME [4.a. AB 3357 Discussion/possible action to appoint hearing officers for the City of Sedona on an as-needed basis. ] APPOINTMENTS. AB 35, 33 57. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPOINT HEARING OFFICERS FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS. WHO'S, IS THAT YOURS? MONIQUE? UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO YOU'LL SEE THERE'S, UM, UM, PROPOSAL THAT YOU APPOINT, UH, THREE, UM, HEARING OFFICERS. UH, TWO OF THEM WE'VE BEEN USING FOR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, UH, VARIANCE HEARINGS. AND THEN WE WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD A THIRD ONE, BUT RATHER THAN LIMIT IT TO ONE PARTICULAR TYPE OF HEARING, UH, WE'RE JUST PROPOSING TO INCLUDE ALL THREE ON THE LIST FOR ANYTHING THAT THE CITY COULD EVER NEED FOR A HEARING OFFICER. THE NEED IS, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 1, 2, 3, A YEAR. IT'S NOT A, A GREAT NEED, BUT THIS WAY WE WON'T HAVE TO SCRAMBLE. SO, UH, WE, WE REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THAT LIST. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MONIQUE? OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION? NO. HERE I MAKE A MO MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED LIST OF INDIVIDUALS TO SERVE IN THE CAPACITY OF HEARING OFFICER. IT'S THE CITY OF SEDONA ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. UH, [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS ] NEXT ITEM IS SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS. DOES ANYBODY ON COUNCIL HAVE ANYTHING THEY WISH TO TALK ABOUT? WE WERE, SEVERAL OF US WERE AT THE LEAGUE OF CITIES, UH, ANNUAL MEETING IN PHOENIX LAST WEEK, AND IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING MEETING. AND THERE WERE 2100 ATTENDEES. IT WAS, YEAH, IT WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND, UH, THE RESOLUTIONS COMMITTEE DID PASS THE FOUR RESOLUTIONS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE THAT HAVE TO DO WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND THERE WERE SOME OTHER RESOLUTIONS AS WELL, BUT I'LL JUST TALK ABOUT THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. UM, THE FIRST ONE WAS PROPOSED BY THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, AND THAT IS TO INCREASE THE, UH, LICENSE FEE FROM 250 TO $500 AND TO INCLUDE THE, UM, ENFORCEMENT OF PERMITS. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S $250 AND YOU CAN ONLY USE THAT, THOSE FUNDS FOR THE PERMITTING PROCESS. THIS WOULD ALLOW THOSE FUNDS INCREASE THE FUNDS, AND ALLOW THEM TO ALSO BE USED FOR ENFORCEMENT. THE SECOND ONE WAS FROM THE CITY OF GILBERT, AND IT WAS TO CLARIFY THAT UNPAID SHORT-TERM RENTAL PENALTIES OR FINES WOULD BE, UH, A, A CITY COULD, EXCUSE ME, WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO FILE A LIEN [00:05:01] FOR THOSE UNPAID, UH, FINES OR PERMIT FEES, PENALTIES. AND THE THIRD ONE WAS FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA. AND THAT WOULD BE TO SEEK A VOTER DRIVEN PATHWAY, ALLOWING MUNICIPALITIES TO ASK LOCAL VOTERS WHETHER ADDITIONAL SHORT TERM RENTAL REGULATIONS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. SO IT WOULD BE A BALLOT REFERRAL FROM THE LEGISLATURE WOULD BE ON THE BALLOT IN 2028. IF THE VOTERS APPROVE THAT, THEN CITIES AND TOWNS WOULD BE ABLE TO FASHION THEIR OWN ORDINANCE, UH, THEIR OWN, UH, AND TO, UM, TYPE A VOTE. SO THAT WOULD, WOULD BE NO EARLIER THAN PROB MAY OR JULY OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR. AND THEN THE FOURTH ONE WAS ALSO FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA. AND THAT WOULD CLARIFY THE STATUTORY DEFINITION OF A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AS IT RELATES TO MOBILE HOME PARKS AND MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS. SO THOSE WERE ALL APPROVED AND THEY BECOME PART OF THE LEAGUE'S LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FOR THIS COMING SESSION. ANYBODY ELSE WHO WAS THERE WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT ANY SESSIONS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY REPORTS? ANNETTE, JUST A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT OR REMINDER THAT TOMORROW BETWEEN 11:00 AM AND 7:00 PM AT THE COMMUNITY LIBRARY, SEDONA, UH, WE HAVE THE BANNERS FOR PEOPLE TO SIGN IF THEY'D LIKE TO EXPRESS THEIR THANKS TO THE, UM, FIREFIGHTERS WHO RESPONDED TO THE POCKET FIRE. SO WE HAD OUR AMERICA'S TWO 50TH BANNERS THAT WERE HUNG UP, THAT HAVE DIFFERENT IMAGERY OF SEDONA. AND, UM, AFTER THEY'RE SIGNED, WE'LL BE PACKAGING THOSE UP AND SENDING THEM OUT TO THE INCIDENT TEAMS AS A MEMENTO AND A THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT THEY DID FOR US. SO PLEASE COME OUT AND SIGN THEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ANNETTE, FOR THAT REMINDER. OKAY, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT. MONIQUE, THERE'S NOTHING TO REPORT, MAYOR. THANK YOU. NOW WE HAVE THE PUBLIC FORUM. [7. PUBLIC FORUM] I HAVE FIVE CARDS. FIRST ONE IS TIM PERRY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ELLEN ISRAEL. GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA IN TONIGHT'S INSTALLMENT OF THE LIES TOLD BY THE CITY OF SEDONA. WE RETURN TO THE LIE THAT THIS COUNCIL AND STAFF ARE IN SOME WAY INTERESTED IN IMPROVING TRAFFIC CIRCULATION IN SEDONA. AND THAT IT'S A BIG PRIORITY FOR THEM, REALLY. 'CAUSE YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS THE CITY IS DOING, WHICH HAVE THE EFFECT OF IMPEDING TRAFFIC FLOW AND WORSENING CIRCULATION. FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT'S WITH ALL THESE SPEED HUMPS THAT HAVE BEEN POPPING UP OVER SIDE STREETS, THERE'S SO MANY OF THEM. YOU'D THINK THEY WERE GOING INTO THE BUSHES AT NIGHT AND HUMPING THAT THE RATE THEY'RE MULTIPLYING. IT IS NOW IMPOSSIBLE TO TRAVEL DOWN MANY OF THESE STREETS AT A CONSISTENT 30 OR 35 MILES AN HOUR. YOU'RE STUCK AT 15, WHICH MAY BE GOOD FOR THE LAZY AND THE NON CONTRIBUTORS, BUT DOESN'T REALLY WORK FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO LIVE NORMAL EVERYDAY LIVES. NOW OF COURSE, THE SCIENCE IS UNAMBIGUOUS SPEED HUMPS THAT DO INCREASE SAFETY. WELL, THIS IS THE THING ABOUT SCIENCE. YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO APPLY THE RESULTS YOU GET. THIS ISN'T ABOUT SAFETY, IT'S ABOUT GETTING FROM POINT A TO POINT B WITHOUT OBSTRUCTION. THE SPEED HUMP NEED TO GO TO IMPROVE SPEED AND TRAFFIC FLOW. AND ALONG WITH IT, THE SPEED LIMITS NEED TO GO UP BY AT LEAST 10 MILES AN HOUR. YES, THE STATE SETS THE SPEED LIMITS. CITY EMPLOYS A VERY HIGHLY PAID LOBBYIST WHO SITTING ON OUR HANDS EXCEPT FOR ATTACKING PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. SHE COULD WORK ON GETTING THOSE LIMITS RAISED, ESPECIALLY AS THERE'S ALWAYS SOME APPETITE FOR THIS IN THE LEGISLATURE ALREADY. WHAT ABOUT THE CITY'S, UH, SHUTTLE SYSTEM, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO, UH, GET CARS OFF THE ROAD AND IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW? NO ONE'S TAKING IT. SHUTTLE DRIVES AROUND, FOLLOWING PEOPLE IN THE HOPE OF PICKING UP A PASSENGER. I LIVE IN UPTOWN. I GO TO WEST SEDONA ON AN ERRAND. THERE'S THE SHUTTLE SITTING IN A PARKING LOT. I COME BACK AN HOUR OR TWO LATER. SHUTTLE HASN'T MOVED. ENGINE RUNNING IDLING THE WHOLE TIME. THEY'RE DOING ZERO FOR TRAFFIC AND LESS THAN ZERO FOR NET ZERO. AND SPEAKING OF THE SHUTTLES, WHAT ABOUT THOSE LYING SIGNS? YOU GUYS STILL HAVE IT DOWN AT, BACK AND BEYOND TRYING TO FORCE PEOPLE TO USE YOUR SHUTTLE SYSTEM. THOSE SIGNS WHICH PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT UNTIL THEY GET THERE, [00:10:01] FORCE THEM TO DRIVE MILES BACK TO WHERE THEY CAN GET ON A SHUTTLE. FURTHER INCREASING TRAFFIC CONGESTION BASED ON ITS ACTIONS. THE CITY OF SEDONA IS NOT IN ANY WAY LOOKING TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW IN SEDONA. IT'S TRYING TO MAKE IT WORSE. SO YOU CAN JUSTIFY MORE BUREAUCRATIC PROGRAMS. WE DON'T NEED TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS YOU CREATED ON PURPOSE. WOULD IT KILL YOU PEOPLE TO STOP LYING? OKAY. ELLEN ISRAEL, FOLLOWED BY JESSICA WILLIAMSON. AND WELCOME ELLEN. HELLO FOLKS. AND GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ELLEN ISRAEL AND I'M A PUBLIC AFFAIRS SPECIALIST WITH THE US SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION'S OFFICE OF DISASTER RECOVERY. UH, I'M HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE FREDERICK TONIGHT BECAUSE OF THE POCKET FIRES, UH, THAT OCCURRED JUNE THROUGH JULY OF JUST THIS YEAR. UM, AND DUE TO THAT DISASTER, THE SBA IS OFFERING DISASTER ASSISTANCE IN THE FORM OF OUR ECONOMIC INJURY. DISASTER LOANS. THESE ARE WORKING CAPITAL LOANS DESIGNED TO HELP BUSINESSES AND NONPROFITS, INCLUDING FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS, MEET ANY SORT OF FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS THAT THEY MIGHT BE STRUGGLING TO MEET, UH, BECAUSE OF THE DISASTER. SO, UH, THINGS LIKE RENT, UTILITIES, AND PAYROLL. UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE A GIFT SHOP UPTOWN AND YOU DIDN'T SEE ANY VISITORS DURING THE FIRES, THIS MIGHT BE, UM, A GOOD OPTION TO, UH, KIND OF BOOST YOUR FUNDS. THE INTEREST RATES FOR THE PROGRAM START AT 4% FOR BUSINESSES AND 3.625% FOR PRIVATE NON-PROFITS. UH, BUSINESSES CAN ALSO GET UP TO $2 MILLION AT THE MOST. THE DEADLINE TO APPLY IS NOT UNTIL MAY 11TH, 2027, UM, JUST BECAUSE IT CAN TAKE SOME TIME FOR A BUSINESS TO MAYBE REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THE DISASTER IN THIS WAY. UM, BUT IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN APPLYING, THERE ARE A FEW WAYS TO DO SO. THE FIRST IS ON OUR WEBSITE, WHICH IS SBA.GOV/DISASTER, AND ALSO AT OUR BUSINESS RECOVERY CENTER, WHICH IS NOW OPEN AT THE SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE DOWN THE STREET. IT'S OPEN MONDAYS THROUGH FRIDAYS NINE TO FIVE. AND THERE WE HAVE STAFF TRAINED TO ASSIST FOLKS WITH THEIR APPLICATIONS ONE-ON-ONE AND WALK YOU THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS. UM, IF YOU ARE UNSURE WHETHER YOUR BUSINESS WOULD QUALIFY FOR ASSISTANCE, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAYBE STOP BY THE CENTER, ASK A FEW QUESTIONS, UM, AND SEE IF THE PROGRAM IS A GOOD FIT FOR YOU. UH, WE DON'T LOOK AT YOUR CREDIT SCORE SPECIFICALLY. WE LOOK AT YOUR CREDIT HISTORY AS A WHOLE. SO, UH, IT REALLY DOESN'T HURT YOU TO COME BY AND, UH, SEE IF YOU CAN GET ASSISTANCE FOR YOURSELF AND FOR YOUR BUSINESS. UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL I HAVE. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. UH, JESSICA, FOLLOWED BY JOHN THOMPSON. JESSICA WILLIAMSON, CITY OF SEDONA. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO THANK THE CITY FOR TWO PROGRAMS I RECENTLY READ ABOUT THAT I THINK REALLY ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF REAL PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE IN SEDONA. THE FIRST IS THE AFTERSCHOOL ROLE PROGRAM BY THE PARKS AND RECREATION, UM, K THROUGH FIVE. IT'S A VARIETY OF ACTIVITIES AFTER SCHOOL, UH, FOR YOUNG CHILDREN. I THINK THAT THIS COUNCIL'S FOCUS ON FAMILIES. UH, TRYING TO GET FAMILIES BACK INTO SEDONA REQUIRES THAT YOU PROVIDE SERVICES THAT WOULD SUPPORT THEM. AND I THINK THIS DOES EXACTLY THAT, AND I THINK THIS IS A REALLY, A GREAT PROGRAM THAT, UH, I WAS GLAD TO READ ABOUT. THE SECOND ONE I THINK I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HAS TO DO WITH PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE IN SEDONA. AND I KNOW THERE'S QUITE A NUMBER OF 'EM. 'CAUSE I HEAR FROM 'EM EVERY SINGLE TIME THERE'S A FIRE AND SMOKE COMES HERE, OR THERE'S PRESCRIBED BURNS AND SMOKE COMES DOWN, OR THE, OR THE, UH, AIR IS JUST REALLY BAD. PEOPLE WHO HAVE MEDICAL LONG MEDICAL PROBLEMS THAT ARE REALLY HEAVILY IMPACTED BY BAD POLLUTION AND BY THE, THE QUALITY OF AIR. UM, THIS PROGRAM THAT THE SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT IS OPERATING, UH, PROVIDES AIR PURIFIERS WITH HE HEPA, HEPA HEPA, UH, FILTERS, UM, THAT AT LEAST ENSURE THAT PEOPLE WHO STAY IN THEIR HOUSES WHEN THEY NEED TO, TO PROTECT THEIR OWN HEALTH, CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A, A GOOD QUALITY OF AIR IN THEIR HOUSE SO THAT IT AMELIORATES THE, THEIR MEDICAL ISSUES AND REALLY ADDRESSES A REAL ISSUE HERE IN SEDONA. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, [00:15:01] NEITHER OF THESE ARE BIG PROGRAMS AND NEITHER OF THESE ARE HEAVILY CAT FUNDED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. BUT I THINK FOCUSING AND, AND NEITHER OF THEM APPLIES TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE IN SEDONA, BUT I THINK BOTH OF THEM ARE TARGETED PROGRAMS THAT SERVE A REAL NEED. AND I, I, I THANK THE CITY FOR PROVIDING THEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JESSICA JOHN, FOLLOWED BY JIM MURPHY. AND THAT'S ALL THE CARDS I HAVE. JOHN THOMPSON, SEDONA MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, AND COUNSELORS. SINCE CONSIDERATION OF A MINI SWEEPER PURCHASE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM TODAY'S AGENDA, I WANT TO USE THESE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK MORE GENERALLY ABOUT OUR SUSTAINABILITY ACTIVITIES. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION IS THE FIRST OF ONLY TWO CORE VALUES IN OUR COMMUNITY PLAN. AND ON PAGE 90 OF THE PLAN IN THE CHAPTER ON ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY IS A SECTION CALLED INNOVATIVE BUILDING. IT STARTS WITH THIS SINGLE SENTENCE QUOTE, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP IS ONE OF THE CORE VALUES OF OUR COMMUNITY. THUS IT SHOULD BE EVIDENT IN THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, WHETHER CONSTRUCTION, INFRASTRUCTURE OR MAINTENANCE END QUOTE. AND IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT OPENING STATEMENT IS POLICY 7.19, QUOTE, DESIGN AND BUILD ALL PROJECTS UTILIZING INNOVATIVE GREEN BUILDING METHODS AND MATERIALS. END QUOTE. THESE TWO SENTENCES ARE NOT QUALIFIED BY ANY SPECIFIC EXCEPTIONS. LIKE WHEN COST EFFECTIVE, THEY AREN'T EVEN QUALIFIED BY VAGUE PHRASES LIKE IF PRACTICAL OR WHEN FEASIBLE, WHICH WOULD'VE ALLOWED COUNSEL AND STAFF SOME WAY, SOME WIGGLE ROOM FOR INTERPRETATION OF CURRENT REALITIES. NO, EVEN THOUGH THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS OFTEN DESCRIBED AS ASPIRATIONAL, THOSE SENTENCES ARE ABSOLUTE AND INFLEXIBLE. I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE TOO OFTEN PROVIDING RATIONALIZATIONS FOR APPROVING CITY PROJECTS THAT PUT US IN VIOLATION OF POLICY 7.19. AND OUR FIRST CORE VALUE, THE MINI SWEEPER AGENDA BILL, PROVIDES JUST ONE RECENT EXAMPLE IN THE CAP SUSTAINABILITY SECTION. THE BILL POINTED OUT THAT AN EV VERSION OF THE MULTI HOG WAS EVALUATED, BUT QUOTE, THE DIESEL OPTION WAS DETERMINED TO BE THE MOST FEASIBLE AND EFFECTIVE OPTION AT THIS TIME. NOW, I'M NOT HERE TO POINT OR WAAG FINGERS, LET ALONE CALL YOU A LIAR. I KNOW YOU ALL, AND I KNOW HOW MUCH YOU CARE ABOUT OUR ENVIRONMENT. I ALSO KNOW HOW MANY MEMBERS OF STAFF. I ALSO KNOW MANY, MANY MEMBERS OF STAFF WHO FEEL THE SAME WAY. BUT MY IMPRESSION IS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO PROMISING OUR ENVIRONMENTAL, WHEN IT COMES TO PRIORITIZING OUR ENVIRONMENTAL VALUES AND POLICIES, STAFF IS DOING THEIR BEST TO DO WHAT YOU ASK. WHILE YOU ARE OFTEN ASKING THEM TO TELL YOU WHAT IS DOABLE, TO BREAK THIS SELF-PERPETUATING CYCLE, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO INSIST ON THOROUGH RESEARCH AND A FULL AND UNBIASED ACCOUNTING IN THE AGENDA BILL OF THE MOST SUSTAINABLE ALTERNATIVE, UH, FOR EVERY PROJECT, SO THAT YOU CAN BETTER DECIDE HOW TO ENSURE THAT OUR CORE VALUE OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION IS BEING REALIZED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JIM MURPHY. AND THEN I HAVE ONE MORE CARD FROM LAUREN THOMAS. I GUESS IT IS STILL AFTERNOON. SO, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNCIL ON JULY 20, I'M SORRY, JIM MURPHY, CITY OF SEDONA ON JULY 21ST, 2100 83 RESIDENTS, OR 60% OF THOSE WHO CAST BALLOTS DURING THE PRIMARY ELECTION VOTED IN FAVOR OF PROPOSITION 4 0 3, RESULTING IN ITS PASSAGE ON OCTOBER 4TH. IN THIS VERY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, THE CITY COUNCIL CANVASED THOSE ELECTION RESULTS AND FORMALLY ADOPTED THE MEASURE INTO LAW AMENDING TITLE 12, DIVISION TWO BY ADDING SECTION 12 30 0 3 0. WHILE THE COUNCIL'S MEETING NOTES REFERRED TO THE NEWLY PRESERVED SPACE AS SIMPLY PUBLIC SPACE, THE MEASURE ITSELF CONTAINS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZING THIS PROPERTY AS A CITY PARK. YET, THREE WEEKS AFTER THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THE MEASURE INTO LAW, THE CITY'S WEBSITE TODAY STILL FAILS TO INCLUDE THE CULTURAL PARK ON ITS OFFICIAL LIST OF CITY PARKS BASED ON THE CITY'S LEGAL EFFORTS TO OPPOSE THE WISHES OF [00:20:01] ITS OWN CONSTITUENCY. THROUGHOUT THIS MATTER, WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THE CITY STANDS ON THIS ISSUE. NEVERTHELESS, THE VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN ON JULY 21ST, THAT VOICE WAS LOUD AND CLEAR. WE FULLY EXPECT THE CITY TO PROMPTLY TAKE NECESSARY STEPS TO RECOGNIZE THE CULTURAL PARK AS AN OFFICIAL CITY PARK AND UPDATE ITS WEBSITE ACCORDINGLY. IT IS NOT JUST PUBLIC SPACE. GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE CITY STAFF TODAY, THERE SHOULD BE AMPLE PERSONNEL AVAILABLE TO IMPLEMENT THE WILL OF THE VOTERS AND ENSURE THE STRAIGHTFORWARD ADMINISTRATIVE MATTER IS COMPLETED. WITHOUT FURTHER DELAY, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER. MONIQUE, UH, THE CITY CODE HAS BEEN AMENDED. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS ALREADY IN THE CITY CODE NOW. SO THE, THE INITIATIVE IS IN THE CITY CODE? YES, THE INITIATIVE IS IN THE CITY CODE. IF ANYBODY DOES A A INTERNET SEARCH, THEY WILL FIND IT. IT'S JUST NOT A RECEIVING PARK LIST. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT IT DOES TAKE OUR, UH, GENERAL CODE THIRD PARTY VENDOR. IT TAKES THEM A FEW WEEKS TO UPDATE OUR CODE, BUT THE CODE CHANGES HAVE BEEN SENT TO THEM. SO THEY WILL SEE THOSE SHORTLY WHEN THEY'RE GONNA GET THOSE UPDATED. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT'S ALREADY THERE. OKAY. GOOD. ANNETTE, CAN YOU, UH, CAN I ASK YOU ABOUT ANY CHANGES TO THE WEBSITE? SURE. YEP. I MADE A NOTE OF THAT AND I'LL TALK TO OUR WEB TEAM. YEAH, THANK YOU. OKAY. LAUREN THOMAS. HI, LAUREN THOMAS. UM, I LIVE BETWEEN HERE AND SCOTTSDALE. UM, AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ABOUT TODAY IS THERE'S A LOT OF PERMITS AND THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE FOR DEVELOPMENT. AND IT'S VERY HARD TO FIND OUT WHAT IS ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO BE GOING ON OR NOT. UM, WITH THE RECENT FIRES AND EVERYTHING GOING ON, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO BE CAREFUL WHAT WE'RE DOING BY THE CREEK AS THE CREEK IS ALREADY BLACK AND FILTHY RIGHT NOW AND IT NEEDS TO GET CLEANED UP. UM, I AM CURIOUS WHAT A GRATING IS. UM, VERSUS DEMOLITION. I SEE ROCK BEING BROUGHT INTO PROPERTY, WHICH TO ME DOESN'T SEEM LIKE DEMOING OF THINGS. I'VE SENT EMAILS TO ASK FOR CLARIFICATION TO GET INFORMATION. I'VE CALLED THE CITY MULTIPLE TIMES TO ASK ABOUT IT AND I NEVER GET ANY INFORMATION. AND SO I'M CURIOUS AS A RESIDENT WHERE I CAN GO TO FIND INFORMATION. 'CAUSE I KNOW YOUR GUYS' WEBSITE PRETTY WELL. I KNOW HOW TO NAVIGATE IT. I KNOW HOW TO FIND INFORMATION ON IT, AND I STILL CAN'T FIND OUT WHAT IS RIGHT OR NOT RIGHT. UM, AND I'M CURIOUS IF THERE IS TRUE OVERSIGHT, UM, IF IT IS ACTUALLY BEING PAID ATTENTION TO. IT SHOULDN'T TAKE ME HASSLING PEOPLE TO TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WHEN I GET RESPONSES THAT THERE'S NO DEMO OR GRADING PERMITS AND THEY'RE GONNA LOOK INTO IT. AND THEN I JUST NEVER HEAR ANYTHING BACK. IT DOESN'T MAKE ME FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS ARE, SORRY, PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY ARE ACTUALLY LISTENING OR ANSWERING THE RESIDENT'S CONCERNS. AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO BE GOING TO COUNCIL TO TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A BETTER JOB DONE TO INFORM RESIDENTS. AND MAYBE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE DIFFERENT PERMITS MEAN AND HOW THEY WORK. BECAUSE WHEN I READ CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND IT SAYS THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS NEED TO HAPPEN BEFORE PERMITS ARE ISSUED, AND THEY HAVE PERMITS PRIOR TO THOSE THINGS BEING DONE, SOME MORE CLARIFICATION WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANK YOU. ONE MORE. OKAY. LAST CALL. ROBERT KOSTER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, ROBERT KOSTER. SEDONA, UH, RESIDENT. UM, UM, HERE JUST TO SPEAK AGAIN ON THE, UH, ON THE, UH, CULTURAL PARK. UH, AGAIN, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY. I JUST WANNA SHOW THIS ONE SIGN. HIT ONE. UM, SO THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR SUPPORT. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE KEEP THIS FRONT AND CENTER BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER THINGS THAT YOU HEAR THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE, WHETHER IT'S A HOTEL OR, OR SOME HOUSING COMING IN HERE OR REZONING OR OTHER THINGS. UM, THE PEOPLE VOTED BY ABOUT 61% TO KEEP IT A CULTURAL PARK. AND I HOPE WE DROP THE NAME WESTERN GATEWAY. I HOPE WE KEEP IT. THE CULTURAL PARK. UH, I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN FOR THE CITY, UH, AND THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. IF WE KEEP ON TRACK TO ALLOW THINGS LIKE WHAT PATRICK WANTS TO DO, UH, WHETHER THE AMPHITHEATER HAPPENS OR NOT, THAT THAT [00:25:01] COULD BE VERY POSITIVE. WHETHER THERE'S SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT COULD BE VERY POSITIVE. AGAIN, THE INTENT FOR THAT LOT, THAT AREA WAS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RESIDENTS OF THIS, THIS CITY. AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. THERE WERE TWO MONUMENT SIGNS THERE. I THINK ONE OF 'EM WAS TAKEN DOWN, BUT SURE. LIKE TO SEE IT RECOGNIZED AS, AS A PARK, UM, AND CONTINUE TO BE RECOGNIZED AS A PARK. AND THAT WE LOOK AT IT AS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT WE LOOK AT YEARS FROM NOW. AND WE'RE PROUD OF IT. UH, OUR CHILDREN ARE PROUD OF IT, OUR CHILDREN'S, UM, AND, AND PEOPLE WHO VISIT HERE COULD COME AND ENJOY THAT PARTICULAR AREA. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PART OF TOWN. I JUST HOPE WE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT AND WE LET THAT HAPPEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. UH, NOW [9.a. Discussion/possible action regarding items pulled off 3. Consent Items. ] ON REGULAR BUSINESS ITEM NINE, A DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING ITEMS PULLED OFF OF CONSENT. AND WE HAD ONE ITEM, WHICH WAS ITEM THREE E, APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH SENUA INVESTORS, LLC FOR FOUR UNITS OF WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR PZ 23 DASH 0 0 0 4 AT ONE 15, SCHLEY HILL ROAD, OAK CREEK HERITAGE LODGE. AND PETE, I THINK YOU WERE THE ONE WHO ASKED FOR THAT TO BE, UH, TAKEN OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA. YEP. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AS I READ THROUGH THE PACKET FOR, UH, THIS ITEM, UH, AND, AND I COULD BE WRONG, , THAT'S WHY YOU ASK QUESTIONS SOMETIMES, UH, YOU JUST DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE DEFINITION, UH, OF WHAT WORKFORCE HOUSING ISN'T IN THIS AGREEMENT OR THE AGREEMENT ALSO DOESN'T HAVE ANY TYPE OF MONITORING OR VERIFICATION REPORTING PROCESS, UH, THAT I THINK COULD BE QUITE USEFUL. AND THEN, UM, I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ENFORCEMENT OF NON-COMPLIANCE DOWN THE ROAD, IF, IF THERE IS ANY WITH PARTICULAR TO THAT AGREEMENT. SO I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER STAFF THINKS THAT THOSE ISSUES ARE COVERED OR WHETHER THAT AGREEMENT, UH, COULD STAND A MODIFICATION TO IMPROVE THOSE SECTIONS. SURE. COUNCILOR FERMAN, UH, MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'VE BEEN IN, UM, CONTACT WITH THE, UH, ATTORNEYS FOR THE DEVELOPER. IN FACT, THEY'RE HERE THIS EVENING. UM, IF, IF YOU'D LIKE, I COULD, UH, ASK NICK WOOD TO, UH, STEP TO THE PODIUM TO ADDRESS THOSE. SURE. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL OF NICK WOODS, SNELLEN WILMER ONE EAST WASHINGTON STREET, PHOENIX. AND, UH, I REPRESENT SNO INVESTORS, UM, MAYOR COUNCILMAN FURMAN. WE HAVE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WE DO HAVE THE DEFINITIONS REGARDING, UM, IN SECTION 3.1. UH, WE TALK ABOUT THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS, ET CETERA. AND THEN IN 3.2, UH, WE TALK ABOUT FOR WHOM THESE ITEMS ARE, THESE UNITS ARE BEING BUILT. SO BASICALLY IT'S FOR EMPLOYEES, UH, THAT ARE EITHER EMPLOYEES FOR BUSINESSES WITHIN THE CITY OF SEDONA, WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OR EMPLOYEES OF THE RESORT. OUR PREFERENCE, OF COURSE, WOULD BE EMPLOYEES OF THE RESORT. OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, AS WE ALL KNOW, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR WORKERS IN ANY OF THE RESORTS OR ANY OF THE BUSINESSES HERE IN, IN THE CITY TO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY. THEY HAVE TO TRAVEL FROM OUTSIDE. SO THE IDEA IS TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, THESE FOUR OR THREE UNITS FOR THEIR BENEFIT. UM, SO EITHER WE'RE PRE, UH, CREATING THOSE FOUR, EITHER EMPLOYEES WHO WORK WITHIN THE CITY OR FOR OUR OWN EMPLOYEES. AND THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT FROM READING 3.2 AND, AND I SEE WORDS THAT YOU ECHOED THERE. UM, BUT THAT REALLY DOESN'T SAY WORKFORCE AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, AS WE TALK ABOUT IT IN THE CITY. THERE'S ALWAYS AN INCOME RANGE, AND IT COULD BE A MANAGER OF THE HOTEL COULDN'T LIVE IN THAT PARTICULAR UNIT. AND IS THAT YOUR INTENTION IS, YOU KNOW, IS IT REALLY FOR PART OF THE WORKFORCE THAT GENERALLY CITY COUNCIL HAS SPENDS MORE TIME TALKING ABOUT? SURE. UM, MAYOR CONS, COUNCILMAN FURMAN, FOR EXAMPLE, IN YOUR CODE, YOU MAKE REFERENCE TO AFFORDABLE. SO AFFORDABLE FOR ANYONE WHO WORKS WITHIN THE CITY WOULD BE SOMEONE WHO CAN AFFORD UP TO 35% OF THEIR GROSS ANNUAL INCOME. SO OUR THOUGHT WAS THAT THIS WOULD COVER THAT, BUT DOES IT SAY THAT, IS THAT, [00:30:01] IS THAT SPECIFIC IN THE AGREEMENT THAT THAT UNIT, THOSE UNITS WOULD BE RESERVED FOR SOMEBODY UP TO 35%? NO, BASICALLY IT'S FOR EMPLOYEES. AND AGAIN, OUR, OUR THOUGHT WAS FOR EMPLOYEES OF THE, OF THE RESORT. TONY OR CARRIE, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE AT ALL, TONY? SO TONY CAN JUMP IN IF I SAY SOMETHING WRONG OR MONIQUE OR, OR SOMEBODY. BUT GENERALLY WHEN WE HAVE ZONE CHANGE APPLICATIONS COME THROUGH, WE FLUSH THAT OUT A LITTLE MORE. THIS WAS NOT A ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION, IT WAS JUST, IT WAS AN APPLICATION FOR 70 LODGING. SO SHORT TERM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY NIGHTLY RENTALS AND FOUR LONG-TERM RENTALS. AND SO THE INTENT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS JUST TO ENSURE THAT THEY NOT BECOME, IT'S NOT BECOME A DEVELOPMENT OF 74 LODGING UNITS. AND SO THE 30 DAY, UM, PROVISION IN THERE, UM, IS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. IF THEY'RE AMENABLE TO IT. AND AS COUNSEL, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, AN AFFORDABILITY CLAUSE COULDN'T BE ADDED. BUT AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL INTENTION WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE FOUR UNITS ARE LONG-TERM RENTAL AND THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE 70 LODGING UNITS AT THE REST OF THE HOTEL. MONIQUE, ANY COMMENTS FROM YOUR VIEWPOINT? AND I, I WOULD JUST AGREE WITH CARRIE, BUT, UM, I, I GUESS I WOULD JUST, UH, ASK NICK WOOD IF HE MIGHT BE COMFORTABLE. UM, YOU KNOW, LOCAL WORKER IS DEFINED IN, UM, PARAGRAPH 3.2, UH, BY PROVIDING A, A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION, UM, ABOUT, UH, AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENTS OR, OR IS THAT NOT THE INTENT OF WELL, WE THOUGHT WE HAD IT COVERED. SO, UM, WORKFORCE HOUSING, THE DEFINITION, AT LEAST THE HUD DEFINITION IS FOLKS WHOSE ANNUAL INCOME FALLS WITHIN A RANGE, AND THAT RANGES FROM 80% TO 120% OF AREA MEAN INCOME. AND THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY BE FOR, UH, COCONINO COUNTY, I'M SORRY, YOU, UM, YAVAPAI COUNTY. AND, UM, THAT'S BASICALLY THE DEFINITION OF WORKFORCE. AND OUR ANTICIPATION WOULD BE THAT EMPLOYEES THAT WORK FOR US AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, WHOMEVER LIVES IN THE CITY, UH, WOULD FILL THAT GAP. SO I HEAR THE INTENT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE THAT THE DA HAS WORDS TO THAT EFFECT. WOULD YOU AGREE, SHOULD THERE BE A CHANGE IN THE DA THAT IS MORE SPECIFIC OR DO YOU THINK THE REFERENCE THAT MR. WOOD MAKES ABOUT THE REST OF OUR CITY CODE AND THE GENERAL DEFINITIONS, THIS COVERS IT. I MEAN, IT DOES REFERENCE A, A WORKFORCE STUDIO APARTMENT. IT DOES, UH, REFERENCE, UH, A A WHO IT'S GOING TO BE RENTED TO. IS YOUR CONCERN MORE THAT THEY DON'T RENT IT TO, YOU KNOW, SOME, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THAT COMES UP FROM THE VALLEY AND WANTS TO LIVE THERE FOR SIX MONTHS. IS THAT MORE OF THE CONCERN OR ARE YOU MORE CONCERNED ABOUT AN AFFORDABILITY COMPONENT? MY CONCERN MIGHT BE THAT IT IS RENTED TO SOMEBODY WHO WORKS MAYBE ONE DAY A WEEK OR IS MAKING, YOU KNOW, THREE TIMES THE SALARY OF THE AVERAGE EMPLOYEE AT THE FACILITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS USED, THE WORD HAS REFERRED TO THE HUD DEFINITION. IF WE HAD A REFERENCE IN THERE AS DEFINED BY HUD, IF THAT LANGUAGE WAS ADDED IN, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD CERTAINLY, UM, MEET MY CONCERNS. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE OPEN TO, SIR? UM, MAYOR COUNCILMAN KINSELLA, IF I, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, COULD I ASK THE CLIENT IF IT'S OKAY? SURE. . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. UM, SO IN ON YOUR WEBSITE YOU TALK ABOUT AREA MEDIAN INCOME AND RENT LIMITS AND A MI, ET CETERA. SO, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO BASICALLY USE [00:35:01] THE CITY'S, UM, 80% TO 120% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME AS THE DEFINITION FOR, UH, THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. WONDERFUL. WORKS FOR ME. . YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND SO JUST, UH, IN A MOTION WE COULD USE THE LANGUAGE REVISES DISCUSSED WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH FOR YOU TO, AND CORRECT, UH, IT WOULD BE, UH, REVISED AS DISCUSSED, UH, AND, UH, SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL, THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY. SO I'LL MAKE SURE. THEN THE SECOND PART OF MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT REPORTING. DO WE HAVE A REPORTING STRUCTURE BUILT INTO THIS SO THAT WE KNOW, ABSENT SOME THIRD PARTY TELLING US, COMPLAINING ESSENTIALLY THAT, UH, THESE UNITS WERE APPROPRIATELY USED? YEAH, FOR ROLLS ROYCE ROLLS UP THERE. YEAH. , UM, MAYOR, UH, COUNCILMAN FERMAN? YES. WE ACTUALLY WORKED OUT WITH MONIQUE SOME LANGUAGE. UM, I CAN PASS THOSE OUT IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOUR PERMISSION, MAYOR. I CAN TAKE THOSE. AND THEN, GIVEN THAT RUN AROUND, DOES ANYONE WANNA SPEAK TO THE ENFORCEMENT ACTION? WHAT, WHAT IS THE CITY'S TOOLS TO USE IF, UH, THE, THE UNITS END UP NOT BEING, UH, USED IN THE WAY THAT WE IN INTEND? IT WOULD BE LIKE ANY OTHER CONTRACT THE CITY HAS. IT WOULD BE, UH, NOTIFYING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DEVELOPER, UH, THAT THERE'S A, A BREACH, UH, GIVING THEM A, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO CURE A CURE LETTER, A CURE NOTICE, BECAUSE, UH, THAT WOULD BE THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY'VE NOT MET IT AND THEY'D HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS? THE NEXT REPORT SHOWS THAT THEY MISSED IT AGAIN, OR A SUBSEQUENT REPORT THAT SHOWS THAT MISSED, AGAIN, JUST ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY CURE. IS THIS JUST A, I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH HOW ALL OF OUR NO TEETH. I, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I REALLY DON'T THINK WE HAVE TEETH IN ANY OF OUR AGREEMENTS, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A, A, A COMMON PRACTICE. I MEAN, IF THERE'S ENOUGH PURE NOTICES THAT THEY'RE JUST DISREGARDING, WE COULD CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, GO TO COURT. WE COULD HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, REQUEST THE COURT ORDER OF ENFORCEMENT. I MEAN, THERE, THERE, I, I WOULD HATE TO HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE COURT, BUT IT'S JUST NOT COMMON PRACTICE. TYPICALLY JUST A CURE NOTICE IS, IS ENOUGH FOR ANY TYPE OF CONTRACT TO GET THEM BACK INTO COMPLIANCE. CAN I ASK, SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR, YOUR CONCERN, THE REPORTING IS ONE THING, AND I THINK THAT THIS LANGUAGE ABSOLUTELY TAKES CARE OF THE, THE REPORTING. UM, BUT YOU'RE, I THINK YOU'RE TAKING IT TO ANOTHER LEVEL THAT IF THE REPORTING ISN'T IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WE WOULD'VE THE SAME, AM I RIGHT MONIQUE? WE WOULD'VE THE SAME, UM, AVENUES OPEN TO US AS WE HAVE ANY TIME, ANY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS, IS NOT, UM, BEING ADHERED TO CORRECT ANY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR ANY CONTRACT IN GENERAL, JUST, JUST GENERAL CONTRACT LAW WOULD APPLY. IT WOULD NOT GO BACK, UH, ON THE, THE ZONING BECAUSE THE CONDITION OF ZONING IS THAT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO BE APPROVED BY COUNSEL? SO THIS WOULD, WOULD NOT GO BACK ON THE, WAS IT A, THE CONDITION, IT WAS JUST A DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT APPLICATION, BUT IT WAS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THEY BRING FORWARD A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE FOUR HOUSING UNITS. BUT IT WOULD, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE FACT REVOKE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. IT, IT WOULD JUST BE, YOU KNOW, PROSPECTIVE COMPLIANCE WITH THE GOAL. THANK YOU. I'M, I'M FINE WITH THIS. YEAH. YEAH. I APPRECIATE THE FLEXIBILITY THAT YOU'VE HAD IN UNDERSTANDING THOSE CONCERNS AND MAKING THE EFFORT TO, UH, TO MODIFY SOME LANGUAGE FOR US. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO ARE YOU READY TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM? I COULD BE. YEP. I HAVE ONE CARD FROM THE PUBLIC FROM MICHELLE THOMAS. HI, I'M MICHELLE THOMAS, AND I GO ALSO IN BETWEEN SEDONA AND SCOTTSDALE LAKE. MY SISTER. CAN YOU MOVE THE MIC? SORRY. SO MY CONCERN IS WITH THIS PROJECT IS EVER SINCE THE BEGINNING, THEY DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES. UM, THERE'S THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. BEFORE THEY STARTED BUILDING, THEY DIDN'T DO THAT. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GET ALL OF THE PARCELS COMBINED AND RECORDED AND GET FLOODPLAIN PERMITS. 'CAUSE THEIR PROPERTIES, NOT ALL THE PARCELS, BUT PART OF THE PARCELS ARE IN THE FLOODWAY. YET THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN COMPLETELY CLEARED. THE TREES THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SAVED ARE GONE. UM, THEY'RE BRINGING IN GRAVEL, THERE'S A TRAILER, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE PERMITS FOR BUILDING. THEY ALLEGEDLY HAVE PERMITS FOR DEMO, BUT YOU CAN'T FIND THEM ANYWHERE. SO I FEEL LIKE WITH EVERYTHING THEY DO, YOU GUYS GIVE THEM AN INCH, THEY TAKE A MILE. AND AS A NEIGHBOR TO THE PROJECT, IT'S DISAPPOINTING AND JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS DON'T CARE ABOUT THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE LONGER. UM, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, LIKE THE PROJECT, IN THE BEGINNING IT [00:40:01] WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A BOUTIQUE HOTEL, NOW IT'S A MARRIOTT. MARRIOTT'S GONNA BE THE ONE THAT'S DOING THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. YOU GUYS ARE GONNA GO UP AGAINST MARRIOTT. HOW ARE YOU GONNA ENFORCE MARRIOTT TO DO ANYTHING? ALSO, WITH IT BEING ONLY FOR 15 YEARS, WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE 15 YEARS FOR THOSE FOUR WORKFORCE HOUSING? DOES IT GO, YOU KNOW, TO NOW THEIR HOTEL ROOMS? IT JUST SEEMS THAT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS PROJECT, EVERY TIME THEY GET ANY TYPE OF LEADWAY, THEY TAKE IT AND RUN WITH IT, AND YOU GUYS DON'T DO ANYTHING TO ENFORCE IT. UM, I REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE TREES THAT WENT DOWN OFF THE PROPERTY. I WANNA KNOW HOW THEY DON'T HAVE PERMITS, BUT YET THEY'RE ABLE TO GRADE IN A FLOODWAY WHEN I THOUGHT ANYTHING THAT WAS DONE IN THE FLOODWAY HAS TO HAVE COCONINO COUNTY APPROVAL. SO, BUT HOW IS COCONINO COUNTY SUPPOSED TO GET INVOLVED IF THE PARCELS AREN'T RECORDED WITH COCONINO COUNTY AS ONE TO INCLUDE THE FLOODWAY OR THE, THE DIFFERENT RULES THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW BECAUSE OF IT? SO I JUST THINK BEFORE YOU GO AND YOU GIVE THEM ANY MORE LEADWAY, YOU SHOULD REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THEY FOLLOWED THE ORIGINAL RULES THEY'VE GOTTEN. AND IF THEY HAVEN'T, WHERE'S LIKE, WHERE'S THE TEETH IN THE GAME? WHERE'S STOPPING THEM FROM? KEEP DOING WHAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. THANK YOU. THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO LAUREN THOMAS BEFORE THIS MEETING THAT WENT INTO DETAIL ABOUT ALL THE PERMITS THAT THEY HAVE, WHICH I GUESS WAS AN, UM, TIMELY ENOUGH. DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT, PLEASE, TONY? SURE, YOU BET. UM, SO THIS, UH, APPLICANT HAS, UM, HAS BEEN ISSUED A DEMOLITION PERMIT. UH, THE DEMOLITION PERMIT DOES DESIGNATE, UM, ON THE DEMOLITION PERMIT, UH, CERTAIN TREES THAT WOULD BE REMOVED THAT WERE GOING TO BE REMOVED AS, UM, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT ANYWAY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA GO. UM, SO THOSE TREES HAD ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED WITH THE DEMOLITION PERMIT. THEY WERE ALLOWED TO, TO REMOVE, UH, THE STRUCTURES AS WELL AS THE, UM, UH, THE CONCRETE OR THE ASPHALT, UM, DRIVEWAYS, ET CETERA, THAT WERE ALREADY THERE. UM, SO WE HAVE OBSERVED THE SITE, UM, WE'VE, UH, SENT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE OUT TO LOOK FOR BOTH FROM THE PUBLIC WORK SIDE AS WELL AS FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SIDE TO ENSURE THAT, UH, THEY'RE OPERATING WITHIN THEIR PERMITS. UM, AND CARRIE HAS, UH, SENT AN EMAIL TODAY. THE ONLY THING WE HAVE NOTED IS, UH, THE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND ENFORCE THE TREE PROTECTION PLAN. UM, AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE, I BELIEVE SO, UM, OKAY. WE CAN'T HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE. JUST SHOUTED OUT. I'M SORRY. RIGHT. SO THE TREES THAT, UM, THAT WE HAVE NOTED THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED ARE THE TREES THAT WOULD BE REMOVED, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF CONSTRUCTION FOR, FOR THE BUILDINGS. SO EVERYTHING IS IN ACCORDANCE, UM, WITH THE PERMITS THAT ARE GRANTED. THEY DO HAVE DRAINAGE AND GRADING PERMITS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN OUR, UH, IN OUR OFFICES NOW UNDER REVIEW. UM, SO THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE AS WELL. BUT, UH, AS FAR AS PERMITS GO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE. OKAY. SO I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION. UM, UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026 DASH 1212, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH SONOMA INVESTORS, LLC FOR FOUR UNITS OF HOUSING AT ONE 15 SNUBBY HILL ROAD, WHICH IS A SONOMA RESORT, OAK CREEK HERITAGE LODGE, REVISED AND DISCUSSED SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY ATTORNEY. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? I, I. THANK YOU. OKAY. NEXT [9.b. AB 3370 Discussion of the parking garage and related items including fire protection and the Uptown Sedona water system and discussion/possible action for approval of an Agreement between the City of Sedona, Arizona Water Company, and the Sedona Fire District, and approval of a related linking agreement with J. Banicki Construction, Inc. for construction of the water-system improvements identified in the Memorandum of Understanding and the Forest Road street improvements in the amount of $3,741,285.50. (Part 1 of 2)] ON THE AGENDA IS AB 33 70, DISCUSSION OF THE PARKING GARAGE AND RELATED ITEMS, INCLUDING THE PROTECTION, FIRE PROTECTION, AND THE UPTOWN SEDONA WATER SYSTEM. AND DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION FOR APPROVAL OF AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY AND THE STONE FIRE DISTRICT, AND APPROVAL OF A RELATED LINKING AGREEMENT WITH J BKE CONSTRUCTION INC. FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE WATER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS IDENTIFIED IN THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AND THE FOREST ROAD STREET IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AMOUNT OF $3,741,285 AND 50 CENTS. ANDY? YES, BOB. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. BOB AND I WILL TAKE LEAD ON THIS PRESENTATION. [00:45:02] LET'S SEE. ANDY, YOU HAVE TO ADJUST YOUR MIC. OH, YEAH, HERE WE GO. AM I COMING THROUGH? OKAY, THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. TODAY WE'RE PROVIDING AN UPDATE ON THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE. AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE ADDRESSING THE REMAINING ITEMS NECESSARY TO GET THE GARAGE OPEN. THE LARGEST OF THOSE ITEMS IS THE WATER SYSTEM WORK. BUT AS I'LL EXPLAIN, THE SOLUTION WE'RE DEVELOPING ALSO PROVIDES BROADER BENEFITS TO THE UPTOWN WATER SYSTEM. THE GARAGE ITSELF IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE. WHAT REMAINS IS A DEFINED GROUP OF CONSTRUCTION, WATER SYSTEM, FIRE PROTECTION, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, INSPECTION, AND APPROVAL ITEMS. TODAY, I'LL WALK THROUGH WHERE EACH OF THOSE ITEMS STANDS, THE WORK THAT REMAINS AND THE ACTIONS BEFORE COUNSEL THAT WILL ALLOW US TO CONTINUE MOVING TOWARD OPENING THE GARAGE. AS I MENTIONED, BOB AND I WILL TAKE LEAD FROM THE STAFF LEVEL, BUT FROM THE PROJECT TEAM, WE HAVE MULTIPLE OTHER PEOPLE. WE HAVE, UM, FROM GLA, THAT'S OUR ARCHITECT, JAN LAURENT FROM KIMBERLY HORNE. WE HAVE ANDREW BAIRD, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY. WE'VE GOT BOTH CASEY GOFF AND ANDY HAAS BACK THERE. UM, OUR REGIONAL MANAGER, AS WELL AS OUR VICE PRESIDENT OF ARIZONA WATER COMPANY FROM SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT. I BELIEVE WE JUST HAVE KIRK, I DON'T MEAN TO SAY JUST, BUT I DON'T THINK I SEE ED HERE WITH YOU. RIGHT. SO, KIRK RIDDELL, OUR FIRE MARSHAL IS HERE AS WELL. AND FROM DANKE, THE CONTRACTING COMPANY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING A CONTRACT WITH, I BELIEVE I SAW LONNIE, THERE'S LONNIE IN THE BACK. SO THEY'RE HERE TO SUPPORT WITH ANY QUESTION, YOU KNOW, ANSWERING QUESTIONS OR ANY SUPPORT THAT WE NEED. OH, BOB'S ON TOP OF IT. BEFORE GETTING INTO DETAILS, I WANT TO FRAME WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. THERE ARE SEVERAL REMAINING PIECES THAT NEED TO COME TOGETHER BEFORE WE OPEN THE GARAGE. THOSE INCLUDE COMPLETING THE PHASE ONE WATER SYSTEM WORK, WHICH I'LL EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS IN A BIT, WHICH IS NECESSARY FOR OCCUPANCY. COMPLETING THE VOLUNTARY FIRE SPRINKLER UPGRADE AT THE EV CHARGING AREA, ESTABLISHING SAFE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ALONG FOREST ROAD, COMPLETING THE REMAINING INSPECTIONS AND RECEIVING THE NECESSARY FINAL APPROVALS. SOME OF THESE ITEMS ARE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS FOR OCCUPANCY. OTHERS ARE IMPROVEMENTS THE CITY HAS DECIDED TO COMPLETE BEFORE OPENING THE GARAGE. TODAY'S PRESENTATION WILL, WILL EXPLAIN WHERE EACH OF THOSE ITEMS STANDS AND HOW THEY FIT TOGETHER. GO AHEAD. SO MOVING BEYOND THE GARAGE, THIS IS A FRAMEWORK FOR HOW WE GET THERE. THE NEXT SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF WORK IS COMPLETING THE PHASE ONE WATER SYSTEM WORK AND THE PREREQUISITE FOREST ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. WE'LL ALSO COMPLETE THE REMAINING FIRE PROTECTION WORK AND TESTING THAT GETS US TO FINAL FIRE DIS, UH, DISTRICT AND BUILDING APPROVALS, ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND ULTIMATELY OPENING THE GARAGE. SO WHERE ARE WE TODAY? UH, WE DISCUSSED THE GARAGE STATUS AS FAR AS WATER AND STREET IMPROVEMENTS. THE DESIGN IS SUBSTANTIALLY ADVANCED CONSTRUCTION AUTHORIZATION BEFORE COUNCIL IS HERE TONIGHT, AND ARIZONA WATER, UH, COMPANY COORDINATION IS CONTINUING AS FAR AS FIRE PROTECTION. THE TECHNICAL REVIEW IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE. THE PHOTO VOLTAIC SYSTEM IS APPROVED, AND THE FIRE SPRINKLER AND ALARM ACCEPTANCE TESTING REMAINS AS FAR AS OCCUPANCY. THIS IS PENDING COMPLETION OF THE RE REMAINING WORK AND FINAL APPROVALS THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE. SO THAT'S THE SNO, UH, SNAPSHOT OF WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. I'LL SPEND TO THE RE UH, THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION ON THE ITEMS THAT NEED ADDITIONAL EXPLANATION. THANKS. AND DID YOU WANT QUESTIONS AS YOU GO? YEAH. UH, QUESTIONS AS WE GO WOULD BE GREAT. YES. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. BEFORE MOVING INTO THE WATER SYSTEM WORK, I WANT TO DISTINGUISH THE REMAINING GARAGE CONSTRUCTION FROM THE ISSUES THAT ARE NOW CONTROLLING. OPENING THE PHYSICAL GARAGE IS, AS I MENTIONED, SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE. MCCARTHY IS ADDRESSING THE REMAINING [00:50:01] PUNCH LIST WORK, THE FACADE CORRECTIONS, AND OTHER FINAL CONSTRUCTION ITEMS. THOSE ITEMS NEED TO BE COMPLETED, BUT CONSTRUCTION OF THE GARAGE STRUCTURE ITSELF IS NO LONGER THEIR PRIMARY ISSUE. CONTROLLING THE OPENING SCHEDULE, THE CRITICAL PATH HAS SHIFTED TO THE SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURE, FIRE PROTECTION WORK, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TESTING, AND FINAL APPROVALS. SO WITH THAT DISTINCTION, LET'S MOVE TO THE WATER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH ARE NOW THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PIECE ON THAT CRITICAL PATH. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE FACADE? SURE. WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT? YEAH. UM, OH, AS FAR AS DETAILS ON WHERE WE'RE AT. SO THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, MAKING REPAIRS NOW. I THINK THEY'RE WHAT? HALFWAY THROUGH? THEY WILL ACTUALLY BE COMPLETE TODAY. OH, TODAY WITH THE REMAINING WORK ON THE FACADE, THAT'S NEW TO MEAN. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL BE MEETING WITH THEM TOMORROW TO GO OVER A, UH, FIELD WALK ON THAT PARTICULAR ASPECT OF THE GARAGE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS, BOB. THE WATER SYSTEM ISSUE DESERVES A LITTLE EXPLANATION BEFORE, UM, BEFORE I MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE IT ISN'T SIMPLY A QUESTION OF WHETHER THE EXISTING SYSTEM CAN PRODUCE ENOUGH GALLONS PER MINUTE. THE TESTING AND HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS DEMONSTRATED THAT THE REQUIRED FIRE FLOW CAN BE PROVIDED. THE ISSUE IS THAT PROVIDING THAT FIRE FLOW THROUGH THE EXISTING SIX INCH WATER LINE RESULTS IN VELOCITIES THAT ARE HIGHER THAN WHAT'S ALLOWED OUT. SO, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE WATERLINE ARE NECESSARY FOR THE GARAGE RELATED REQUIREMENTS. PHASE ONE, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A POINTER OR NOT. OH, HERE WE GO. PHASE ONE RUNS FROM JUST WEST OF THE GARAGE TO VAN DAREN, AND THAT CALLS FOR, FROM OUR ANALYSIS FOR INCREASING THAT LINE FROM SIX INCHES TO 10, 10 INCHES. THE FUTURE PHASE TWO IMPROVEMENTS CALL FOR AN EIGHT INCH LINE RUNNING WHERE BOB'S SHOWN YOU THERE UP VAN DARREN ACROSS NIBLEY TO JORDAN, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY HAS ELECTED TO GO BEYOND THOSE SIZES AND INCREASE BOTH PHASES TO 16 INCHES. FOR THE LONGER TERM BENEFIT OF THIS WATER SYSTEM, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INCREMENTAL COST ASSOCIATED WITH INCREASING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE 16 INCH SIZE FROM WHAT'S NEEDED FOR THE GARAGE. SO WE'RE ADDRESSING THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE GARAGE, WHILE ALSO CREATING A MUCH MORE, UH, SUBSTANTIAL LONG-TERM IMPROVEMENT TO THE UPTOWN WATER SYSTEM. AS YOU'LL SEE, THERE ARE ABOUT 50 PARCELS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THIS ALIGNMENT IN BOTH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO. HOWEVER, ONCE THIS IS COMPLETE ON BOTH THE NORTH END AND THE SOUTH END, THAT WILL PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO THE OVERALL UPTOWN WATER SYSTEM. AGAIN, WE HAVE ARIZONA WATER REPRESENTATIVES HERE. IF YOU WANTED, YOU KNOW, MORE DETAIL ON THAT, I'M SURE THEY COULD, UH, GIVE YOU A LOT MORE THAN I CAN. BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE GENERAL IDEA. SO DO BOTH PHASES HAVE TO BE COMPLETE IN ORDER FOR THE GARAGE TO OPEN? WHAT, WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO IN CONCEPT ON THE AGREEMENT IS THAT IN ORDER TO OPEN, WE WOULD NEED TO COMPLETE PHASE ONE, BUT WE NEED TO BE COMMITTED TO COMPLETING PHASE TWO NEXT YEAR IN FY 28. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO, OKAY. THE WATERLINE WORK OCCURS IN THE SAME FOREST ROAD CORRIDOR WHERE WE'RE ALREADY PLANNING STREET IMPROVEMENTS RATHER THAN COMPLETE THE WATER WORK AND THEN COME BACK LATER AND DISTURB THE SAME CORRIDOR AGAIN FOR THE STREET. THE STREET PROJECT, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE COORDINATE BOTH THOSE PIECES OF WORK, THE WATER LINE AND THE STREET IMPROVEMENTS. THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO BETTER SEQUENCE CONSTRUCTION, REDUCE REPEATED DISRUPTION, AND COORDINATE PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICLE ACCESS WHILE THE WORK IS UNDERWAY. FOR PURPOSES OF OPENING THE GARAGE, THE ENTIRE FORCE ROAD PROJECT DOES NOT NEED TO BE COMPLETED. WHAT WE PROPOSE TO HAVE COMPLETE IS SAFE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ALONG FOREST ROAD, INCLUDING SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS ON AT LEAST ONE SIDE OF THE ROADWAY. AGAIN, TO OPEN THE GARAGE AS THE REMAINING WORK PROCEEDS ACCESS CAN BE SHIFTED AND MAINTAINED THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION AREA. [00:55:01] SO I'LL JUST POINT OUT HERE REAL QUICK, BOB, JUMP IN IF YOU NEED TO. BUT THESE, UH, HATCHED AREAS IN, CALL IT PEACH COLOR HERE, THOSE ARE INDICATING WHERE WE INTEND TO MAKE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS ON BOTH THE SOUTH SIDE WE'RE SHOWING HERE AS WELL AS THE NORTH SIDE OF FOREST ROAD, COMPLETELY REPLACED THE PAVEMENT IN THIS AREA AND ADD SEVERAL PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND, UM, TO, UM, 89 A. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? CAN YOU GO BACK A COUPLE SLIDES WHERE IT SHOWS THE GARAGE, THERE WAS AN IMAGE OF THE GARAGE, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS ALREADY A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF IT. IS THAT A, IS THAT A RENDERING OR WHERE IS THAT? SO THAT WAS RECENT. I BELIEVE THAT WAS A PHOTO THAT OUR ARCHITECT, MR. YAN TOOK A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, OR LAST WEEK, BEEN ABOUT FOUR WEEKS AGO. WAS IT THAT LONG SEATED SIDEWALK THAT WILL STAY YEAH. DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE. YES, SIR. OKAY. SO THAT'S IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING US ON THIS. SO THIS, THIS PARTICULAR SITE SIDEWALK WAS PART OF THE GARAGE PROJECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANDY, IF I COULD ASK, IS THERE THOUGHTS ABOUT BIKE LANES? UM, LET'S SEE. IN THIS AREA WE'RE, BOB, REMIND ME, WE'RE PUTTING A SHARED USE PATH ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS IT WILL BE A SHARED USE PATH ON THE NORTH SIDE. IT WILL BE PEDESTRIAN USE ONLY. SO THAT GIVES BICYCLE AND MULTIMODAL CAPACITY 10 FOOT WIDE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, SOUTH SIDE, SOUTH SIDE ONLY. YEP. TRYING TO INCREASE THE, UH, PATHWAY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. ON THE NORTH SIDE, I THINK WE'RE AT SEVEN FEET ON THE NORTH SIDE. UH, WE FEEL THERE'S GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC BOTH ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD TO AND FROM, UM, THE GARAGE DOWN TO 89 A AND OF COURSE THE, UM, THE MARRIOTT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. AND, AND JUST A QUICK REMINDER THAT THE SHAR USE PATHS ARE BI-DIRECTIONAL. SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S ONLY ON ONE SIDE, IT PROVIDES FOR BI-DIRECTIONAL TRAFFIC. OKAY. ARE ARE WE GOOD WITH THIS SLIDE? OKAY. SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WHICHEVER DIRECTION YOU'RE COMING FROM, YOU'RE ON THE SOUTH SIDE WITH YOUR BIKE AND YOU CAN GO ACROSS FROM THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING. HOW ARE YOU GONNA GET INTO THE GARAGE? LET'S SEE, LET ME GO BACK. OH, HERE WE GO. WHO'S CONTROLLING THAT? YOU ARE. OH, FROM HERE. OKAY. SORRY, I JUST CHECKING IN ON LOG ON LOGISTICS HERE. OKAY, SO YOUR QUESTION WAS IF YOU'RE ON THE NORTH SIDE, NO, IF YOU'RE ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND YOU'RE RIDING YOUR BIKE. OKAY. SO AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE AGIS PATH THAT ALSO CONNECTS HERE AND RUNS ALL THE WAY DOWN THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION. BUT IF YOU WERE TO CROSS TO THE NORTH SIDE, YOU HAVE SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT HERE. SO YOU CAN USE THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING TO, YOU CAN CROSS OVER. YES, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. YEAH. OH, OKAY. LET'S SEE. OKAY, SO THE COST, THE TOTAL COST OF THE COMBINED PHASE ONE CONSTRUCTION IS A, AND STREETS, UH, IMPROVEMENTS ARE APPROXIMATELY 3.74 MILLION. OF THAT APPROXIMATELY 2.54 MILLION IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE FOREST ROAD STREET IMPROVEMENTS. AND APPROXIMATELY 1.2 MILLION IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PHASE ONE WATER IMPROVEMENTS. THE ADOPTED CIP FOR THE FOREST ROAD STREET IMPROVEMENTS CURRENTLY INCLUDES 1.6 MILLION FOR THE FY 27 BUDGET FOR THIS PROJECT, RESULTING IN APPROXIMATELY 2.14 MILLION OF ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY NECESSARY FOR THIS CONTRACT. I WANT TO DISTINGUISH HERE BETWEEN THESE TWO THINGS, EXPENDITURE, AUTHORITY AND ULTIMATE, UH, SOURCE OF FUNDING. SO THE, AS FAR AS THE SOURCE OF FUNDING AFTER ACCOUNTING FOR THE MCCARTHY SETTLEMENT AND THE ESTIMATED REMAINING GARAGE EXPENDITURES, FINANCE ESTIMATES THAT APPROXIMATELY 500,000 OF THE SERIES 2024 BOND PROCEEDS WILL, WILL REMAIN AVAILABLE. SO IT COULD BE APPLIED TO THIS. THE CITY ALSO COLLECTED APPROXIMATELY 2.69 MILLION IN ARIZONA WATER COMPANY FRANCHISE FEE REVENUES OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS, WHICH IS HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOCATED TO USES LIKE THIS, WHICH THEY CAN BE APPLIED TO AS FAR AS FIRE SAFETY, UH, IMPROVEMENT. THOSE REVENUES ARE NOT HELD IN A SEPARATE ACCOUNT. THEY ARE REPRESENTED WITHIN THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND UNASSIGNED [01:00:01] FUND BALANCE. SO IT'S IN THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE OF STATE BUDGET REQUIREMENTS, COUNCIL MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FORMALLY ALLOCATE THAT FUND BALANCE UNTIL THE FY 28 BUDGET. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. IN THE MEANTIME, FUNDING NECESSARY FOR, UM, DURING FY 27 CAN BE ACCOMMODATED THROUGH AVAILABLE FUNDING FROM OTHER PROJECTS, OR IF NECESSARY, CONTINGENCY. IF FUNDS ARE TEMPORARILY USED FROM OTHER PROJECTS, THE INTENT WOULD BE TO RESTORE THOSE FUNDS THROUGH AN ALLOCATION IN THE FY 28 BUDGET. IF USE OF CONTINGENCY BECOMES NECESSARY, THAT WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. PUBLIC WORKS WILL DISCUSS THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS BEING DELAYED OR RESCHEDULED AS PART OF TOMORROW'S SIM UPDATE. BUT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA TO PROJECTS THAT DID NOT GAIN GRANT FUNDING OR OUTSIDE FUNDING THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET ARE THE TWO ROUNDABOUT PROJECTS. THE FOREST ROAD ROUNDABOUT AND THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT. IF BOTH THOSE PROJECTS ARE, UH, DELAYED TO FY 28, THAT CREATES MORE THAN ENOUGH EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY FOR THIS CONSIDERATION. PHASE TWO IS NOT INCLUDED IN TONIGHT'S CONSTRUCTION AUTHORIZATION. WE CURRENTLY HAVE APPROXIMATELY 2.5 MILLION AS A PLANNING LEVEL ESTIMATE FOR THAT. AND THAT IS ANTICIPATED AGAIN IN FY 28. THAT AMOUNT WILL BE REFINED AS THE DESIGN PROGRESSES AS WELL. SO AGAIN, FUNDING NECESSARY FOR FY 28, OR I'M SORRY, 27, CAN BE ACCOMMODATED THROUGH AVAILABLE FUNDING FROM OTHER PROJECTS OR IF NECESSARY, CONTINGENCY WITH FUNDS USED FROM OTHER PROJECTS INTENDED TO BE RESTORED THROUGH THE FY 28 BUDGET. GO AHEAD, ANDY, ON THIS PAGE, THE 2.5 MILLION TOTAL FOR STREET IMPROVEMENTS RELATIVE TO THE 1.6 THAT WAS IN THE BUDGET, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S CAUSING THE 900,000 DIFFERENCE? WHAT'S THAT ATTRIBUTABLE TO? IT'S, I DON'T THINK WE HAD ONE ITEM THAT WE COULD POINT TO IN THE ANALYSIS OF THAT PROPOSAL. IT'S JUST HIGHER COSTS ACROSS THE BOARD FOR THE ENTIRE BID SCHEDULE. UM, AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST TALKING WITH OUR STAFF, IT'S JUST A REFLECTION OF WHERE THE CURRENT BID BID ENVIRONMENT IS. UM, THINGS ARE JUST MUCH HIGHER IN COST RIGHT NOW THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST. OKAY. BUT WE JUST FINALIZED THE FY 27 BUDGET LIKE THREE MONTHS AGO AT 1.6 MILLION, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND SO NOW IT'S MORE THAN 50% HIGHER THAN WHAT WE JUST BUDGETED FOR. YEAH. OKAY. NEXT QUESTION. SO THE CITY'S GONNA SPEND 1.2 MILLION NOW IN THEORY ON THE WATER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENT ITSELF, AND THEN APPROXIMATELY TWO AND A HALF MILLION IN A SUBSEQUENT YEAR FOR PHASE TWO. ARIZONA WATER OWNS THE WATER SYSTEM. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING SPENDING 1.2 NOW AND 2.5 LATER? WHY IS THAT ON US? YEAH, SO WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THAT THE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE FLOW NEED WITH ACCOUNTING FOR THE VELOCITIES, THAT UPGRADE IS NEEDED FOR THE GARAGE TO GET THE FIRE FLOW THAT IT NEEDS TO OPERATE. SO THERE, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE BY ARIZONA WATER COMPANY THAT THE FACILITY THAT WE'RE BUILDING WOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, ACCOMMODATED. IT, IT NEEDED TO BE ANALYZED. AND I HAVE A, WELL, SO, SO LET, LET ME JUST SAY THAT, UM, AS WE WENT THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ARIZONA WATER, WE'VE SUBMITTED PLANS TO THEM, WE'VE HAD REVIEWS, BUT ULTIMATELY WE COULD NOT HAVE KNOWN THAT THIS NEED EXISTED UNTIL WE FULLY MODELED AND ANALYZED THE SYSTEM. THE REALITY IS IT'S AN OLD SYSTEM AND THE INFORMATION ON IT IS ALSO OLD. SO IT WAS A CHALLENGE GETTING THROUGH THE ANALYSIS OF THAT. BUT ARIZONA WATER, NOR THE CITY, COULD NOT HAVE FULLY KNOWN THAT THIS NEED EXISTED WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT. AND THEN WHY DOES FA, WHY IS PHASE TWO? WHY ARE WE RESPONSIBLE AT ALL FOR PHASE TWO? SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT YOUR [01:05:01] DIAGRAM, I GET IT. PHASE ONE IS ESSENTIALLY THE DIRECT CONNECTION TO THE GARAGE. BUT THEN WHY PHASE TWO? WHY IS THAT ANY OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY? SO THE MAIN SYSTEM THAT FEEDS TO THIS AREA COMES FROM UP JORDAN ROAD. AND IF, IF THE FLOW IS PROVIDED IN THE WAY THAT WE NEED IT NOW, IT COMES FROM THAT DIRECTION. AND THERE ARE PARTS OF THE LINE FURTHER UP IN THAT TOWARDS J UH, JORDAN, VAN DARREN SCHLEY IN THAT AREA THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE VELOCITIES THAT EXCEED THE ALLOWABLE, UH, ALLOWABLE LIMIT. SO IN OTHER WORDS, ONCE WE UPGRADE THE SIZE OF THE LINE, IT DROPS THOSE VELOCITIES DOWN AND BRINGS US INTO A SAFE CONDITION. AND SO THE WAY THINGS WORK IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA, EVEN IF WE DIDN'T PAY FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS, EVEN IF ARIZONA WATER PAID FOR THEM, IN FACT, IF ARIZONA WATER PAID FOR THEM, THAT COST WOULD COME BACK TO THE RATE PAYERS ULTIMATELY. 'CAUSE IT WOULD GO TO THE CORPORATION COMMISSION WHO WOULD RUBBER STAMP THE, THE INVESTMENTS THAT THE UTILITY HAS MADE. SO ONE ACTUALLY COULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THE SYSTEM IS BEING IMPROVED, CITY IS SPENDING RESOURCES, SPENDING DOLLARS ON IT, AND IT'S ACTUALLY REDUCING THE FUTURE RATE INCREASE THAT OUR PAYERS, OUR RESIDENTS, ARE GONNA FACE. WHEN THE NEXT TIME THAT EASY WATER GOES TO THE CORPORATION COMMISSION AND SAYS IT'S TIME FOR A RATE INCREASE. IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? IF WE WEREN'T BUILDING THE GARAGE ARIZONA WATER AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WAS GONNA BE, WOULD'VE MADE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ON THEIR OWN TO UPGRADE THEIR SYSTEM. AND YES, THE RATE PAYERS WOULD'VE NEEDED TO COVER THAT COST AT THAT TIME. UH, SO IN A SENSE, WE'RE HELPING AVOID A FUTURE PRICE INCREASE RATE, INCREASE PART OF A FUTURE RATE INCREASE UNKNOWINGLY, UH, HEADING INTO THIS. YES, WE, WE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR CHARLOTTE. SO THESE COSTS THE, UM, 1.6 AND THEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR, 2.5 OR WHATEVER IT IS, UM, ARE THOSE SHARED, NOT SHARED? THAT'S OUR PORTION, BUT IS THERE A PORTION THAT ARIZONA WATER IS PAID? WE'RE NOT DOING THE WHOLE THING? YES. YES. THANK YOU. I THINK I ALMOST MISSED BRINGING THAT UP. I, WELL, I DID MENTION EARLIER THAT ARIZONA WATER IS PAYING THE INCREMENTAL COST TO UPGRADE TO THE 16 INCH LINE. SO WHAT WE'VE FOUND THROUGH OUR MODELING AND ANALYSIS IS THAT PHASE ONE NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED FROM SIX INCH TO 10 INCH AND PHASE TWO, IT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED FROM SIX INCH TO EIGHT INCH. THAT'S WHAT THE CITY'S ON THE, ON THE HOOK FOR IS THE COST OF THAT. THAT INCREMENTAL UPGRADE TO 16 INCH IS WHAT ARIZONA WATER IS PARTNERING WITH US ON AND DOES IMPROVE THE RESILIENCE OF THE OVERALL UPTOWN WATER SYSTEM. I KNOW THIS IS A COMMENT AND NOT A QUESTION, BUT IT'S RELEVANT TO WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. SO I'M GONNA GIVE MYSELF SOME GRACE. THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS MEETINGS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS WITH ARIZONA WATER AND RESIDENTS FROM UPTOWN REQUESTING THE EXPANSION OF THE PIPES HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GARAGE. HMM. AND I WOULD SAY THAT WE NOW HAVE A TRIGGER THAT HAS GIVEN, UH, THE UPTOWN RESIDENTS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT ON A FIVE YEAR OR 10 YEAR PLAN, RIGHT. TO IMPROVE THE PIPES. THE PIPES GOING TO 12 INCHES IS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT FOR SAFETY AND FOR FLOW, CONSIDERING ISSUES THAT HAVE OCCURRED WITH FIRES AND THE LACK OF FIRE HYDRANT FLOW IN UPTOWN. SO I, I THINK THAT FOR ALL RESIDENTS OF UPTOWN, THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE ACCOMPLISHMENT. SO I WANNA THANK ARIZONA WATER. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO YOU TALKED ABOUT THE MODELING AND YOU SAID THAT THE ARIZONA WATER AND THE CITY COULD NOT HAVE UNDERSTOOD THIS UNTIL THEY DID THE MODELING. COULD THEY NOT HAVE DONE THE MODELING BEFORE THE GARAGE WAS AUTHORIZED? I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE WORKING ON, UH, ON THEIR END OF THINGS. BUT I JUST KNOW THAT WHEN WE, UM, GOT TO THE POINT OF PERMITTING AND TRYING TO GET THIS CONNECTION APPROVED, WE FOUND THAT WE NEEDED TO CREATE A MODEL IN ORDER TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT THEY HAVE. SO I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY HAVE, BUT, UM, WE'RE WELCOME TO ASK ARIZONA WATER. [01:10:01] I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE, WHERE THINGS BROKE DOWN. I MEAN, I WASN'T HERE WHEN WE, WHEN THE GARAGE WAS APPROVED, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND . SO ONE, ONE PART OF WHAT I DID NOT GET INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED IN THE BEGINNING THAT WHEN, WHEN WE WERE TESTING THE, THE WATER CONDITIONS DURING DESIGN, IT SHOWED THAT THE WATER FLOW WAS ADEQUATE FOR WHAT WE NEED FOR THE GARAGE. SO IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERYTHING'S GOOD UNTIL WE STARTED TO MODEL THE SYSTEM AND FOUND THAT THE VELOCITIES WERE TOO HIGH, WE DID NOT KNOW UNTIL THAT POINT THAT THE SYSTEM WAS INADEQUATE. COULD THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DONE EARLIER, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION. I DON'T, I MEAN, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT I MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION THAT COULD COUNSEL HAVE BEEN TOLD IN ADVANCE OF APPROVING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE GARAGE THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE AN ISSUE? I CAN'T IMAGINE A SCENARIO WHERE IN, IN WHAT WE WENT THROUGH FOR THIS PROJECT THAT WE WOULD'VE KNOWN THAT. OKAY. I, I THINK THAT'S, WELL, I THINK IF I CAN HELP ANDY A LITTLE BIT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, LIKE HE SAID, THE PLANS WERE SUBMITTED TO ARIZONA WATER. WE HAVE REGULAR QUARTERLY MEETINGS WITH 'EM TO DISCUSS PROJECTS AND IMPACTS TO THEIR SYSTEM, OTHER UTILITY SYSTEMS, AND IT WAS NEVER RAISED TO US THAT THERE WAS A VELOCITY ISSUE IN THE SYSTEM. AND SO I DON'T THINK THE STAFF EVER COULD HAVE REASONABLY KNOWN ABOUT THE STATE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T OWN. AND WE DON'T HAVE THE, AS-BUILTS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THEIR INTERNAL DATA. WE, YOU KNOW, WE RELY ON THEM TO LET US KNOW. UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S ARIZONA WATER SYSTEM. WE, WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE INS AND OUTS OF THEIR SYSTEM AND, AND I DON'T WANT IT TO SOUND LIKE IT'S SOMETHING I'M BLAMING ON THEM BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A MODEL FOR THEIR SYSTEM AT THAT POINT EITHER. SO WITHOUT HAVING THAT MODEL, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE A NEED. SO WILL THEY BE CREATING A MODEL IN THIS PROCESS THAT'S NOW GOING TO BE A ROADMAP FOR THE REST OF UPTOWN? I, I'M, I'M THINKING THAT YOUR QUESTION IS, ARE THEY GONNA TAKE THE MODEL THAT THE CITY BUILT AND BUILD ONTO THAT? OKAY. WHOEVER EXPAND THAT TO THE REST OF UPTOWN THAT I DON'T KNOW. UM, WE CAN ASK ARIZONA WATER. I MEAN, I HATE FOR THIS TO BE JUST OF USE TO US AND NOT, RIGHT. AND THEN YOU FIND OUT THERE'S ANOTHER PROBLEM ON NAVA, HOPI OR WHEREVER. YES. UH, MAYOR, COUNSELORS, THANK YOU FOR THE, FOR THE QUESTION. UH, WE WOULD DEFINITELY TAKE THE, THE, ALL THE WORK THAT THE CITY AND THEIR CONSULTANTS HAVE, HAVE DONE TO DATE, TAKE THAT AND, AND UTILIZE THAT. SO IT'S NOT JUST USED FOR, FOR THIS NECESSARILY THIS ONE PROJECT. WE'LL BE ABLE TO, TO LOOK AT THAT AND BUILD UPON THAT FOR, UH, LOOKING AT OTHER, UM, UH, PORTIONS OF THE SYSTEM IN THE AREA. SO DEFINITELY. DO YOU HAVE MODELS FOR OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY? UM, THERE TYPICALLY WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE MODELS AS DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S PRIVATE OR, OR, OR PUBLIC DEVELOPMENT WHERE, UH, WE REQUIRE THEM TO, TO MODEL THEIR ADDITIONAL WATER DEMANDS THAT THEY PUT ON THE SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE FLOW, SATISFY THE, THE FIRE FLOW REQUIREMENTS THERE. SO WE MAY HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SAY EACH OF THE, THE, THE SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS THAT, THAT COME IN, UM, THAT YOU, THAT, UH, COUNCIL HAS, HAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED THERE. WE HAVE WATER REPORTS AND MODELS FOR, FOR THOSE PARTICULAR, UM, DEVELOPMENTS TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN COMPLY WITH THE STANDARDS JUST LIKE THIS. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, JORDAN LOFTS THAT'S IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW WILL BENEFIT FROM THIS EXPANSION, OR IT'S NOT GOING THAT FAR? UM, THIS, I GUESS THE, IT, THIS, THE WATER MAINS HERE, UH, PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO WILL BENEFIT ALL OF, WILL PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL BENEFIT TO ALL OF OF UPTOWN. UM, IT'S ALSO PART OF A LARGER PLANNED, I'LL CALL IT A BACKBONE IN THE SYSTEM THAT'LL CONNECT, YOU KNOW, 12 INCH AND LARGER WATER MAINS FROM OUR JORDAN PARK TANK ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH UPTOWN THROUGH FOREST ROAD, DOWN, UM, ACROSS THE CREEK, AND ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OUR EAST SEDONA TANK. SO, UH, COUNCIL MAY RE RECALL IN THE, UM, UH, THE FOREST ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT OCCURRED TO THE WEST TO THE PARKING GARAGE THERE COMING DOWN TO 89 A, [01:15:01] WE DID A SIMILAR, UH, PARTNERSHIP, UH, AGREEMENT WAS STRUCTURED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, BUT DID A SIMILAR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY THERE, WHERE SOME OF THE WATER MAIN EXISTING WATER MAINS NEEDED TO BE RELOCATED. WE CHOSE TO COME IN AND UPSIZE THOSE WATER MAINS ALSO FROM SIX INCH TO 16 INCH THERE. SO WE HAVE A 16 INCH MAIN THAT'S CONSTRUCTED ALL THE WAY DOWN FOREST ROAD TO THE WEST, UH, TO 89 A AS PART OF THAT, THAT, UH, THAT BACKBONE THERE. KEVIN, ANDY, CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDES PLEASE TO THE ONE MORE THERE? UH, YOU SAID THERE WERE ABOUT 50 PARCELS THAT WILL HAVE IN APPROVED WATER PRESSURE SERVICE, UM, TO THOSE PARCELS. AND I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, IS THAT FOR PART, FOR PHASE ONE OR IS THAT PHASE ONE AND TWO COMBINED? SO LET ME CLARIFY. THERE ARE ABOUT 50 PARCELS ADJACENT TO PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, BUT THE BENEFIT OF THE IMPROVEMENT IS NOT LIMITED TO THOSE PARCELS THAT ARE ADJACENT. SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF UPTOWN, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. THAT WE'LL SEE BETTER WATER PRESSURE FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES AS WELL AS GENERAL PRESSURE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. CAN YOU HAZARD A GUESS AS TO HOW EXPANSIVE AN AREA COULD? UM, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT PARCEL COUNT THERE, BUT, UH, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON, ON THE SCREEN THERE, INCLUDING THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND AS I MENTIONED AS, AS WE CONTINUE THAT, THAT ARTERY DOWN, IT GOES, UH, ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE Y ALL THE WAY, UM, UH, DOWN THE 1 79 ALL THE WAY DOWN TOWARDS OUR, OUR E SEDONA TANK. SO IT BENEFITS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S HUNDREDS, IF NOT, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE THOUSAND UH, PARCELS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT PHASE TWO, UH, , SINCE THE BENEFIT REALLY, WHICH IS A HUGE BENEFIT, I THINK IT DOESN'T REALLY COME INTO EFFECT UNTIL THE WHOLE THING IS DONE. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO ACCELERATE THE PHASE TWO DEVELOPMENT? UH, UH, AS OPPOSED TO WAITING FOR FY 28 AND I DON'T KNOW THE TIMING, WHEN WILL PHASE ONE BE COMPLETE? UH, WILL WE HAVE TO WAIT SIX MONTHS FOR PHASE TWO OR, OR ARE WE WAITING, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW LONG YEAH, TIMING. I'LL, I'LL TALK ABOUT IN JUST A MINUTE, BUT TO GIVE YOU A, A, YOU KNOW, A GLIMPSE OF THAT, WE'RE EXPECTING PHASE ONE TO BE COMPLETE AROUND DECEMBER TWO, JANUARY FOR PHASE TWO TO BEGIN, UM, WHAT WE INTENDED TO DO IS GO THROUGH A NORMAL BIDDING PROCESS AND DESIGN PROCESS. SO WE WILL NEED TIME TO DO THAT ANYWAY. SO THE EARLIEST WE WERE LOOKING AT BEING ABLE TO BUILD THAT WOULD BE STARTING THIS SUMMER AND TRY TO BE DONE WITH THAT BY SEPTEMBER, WAS THE GOAL FOR PHASE TWO. IT COULD BE DONE A LITTLE QUICKER THAN THAT IF WE, YOU KNOW, STARTED TO DO SOME OF THAT WORK IN DEC IN, UH, FY 27. BUT THAT'S GONNA DEPEND ON, UH, STAFF AVAILABILITY AND THAT SORT OF THING. IF COUNCIL WANTED THAT TO BE A TOP PRIORITY, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT TOMORROW AS WE'RE, UH, LOOKING AT HOW WE RESCHEDULE SOME OF THE PROJECTS. DO WHAT'S YOUR LOOKING AT MY COLLEAGUES? WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF EXTRA INFORMATION WE NEED FOR THAT. I KNOW, BUT DO YOU WANT THEM, BECAUSE THE FINANCIAL PART OF THAT, WOULD YOU WOULD INCLUDE WHERE THAT MONEY WOULD COME FROM IN TERMS OF SAVINGS FROM OTHER PROJECTS, RIGHT? OR CONTINGENCY? UM, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT SOME PORTION OF A DESIGN FEE. UM, I, I GUESS IT'S POSSIBLE YOU COULD GET THE FULL DESIGN DONE IN ENVO 27. UM, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE, YES. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE EXPENDITURE THAT WE'D BE LOOKING FORWARD TO OFFSET WOULD BE THAT DESIGN FEE EFFORT. THERE'S A, THERE'S A MATTER OF PERMITTING TOO THROUGH A DEQ, WHICH, UM, ALSO IS, IS A PROCESS THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED THROUGH WITH ARIZONA'S AUTHORITY. MM-HMM . ARIZONA WATER, ALSO STAFF CAPACITY. WITH THE OTHER WORKLOAD THAT YOU HAVE, I MEAN, IS THIS FEASIBLE TO BE ABLE TO SEND YOU DOWN THIS PATH TO START LOOKING AT HOW TO EXPEDITE IT? OR IS IT NOT FEASIBLE? UM, I, I THINK IT IS FEASIBLE AND I KNOW THAT ARIZONA WATER WOULD PREFER THAT WE ACCELERATE IT AS WELL, SO, OKAY. I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF PRIORITIES TOO, THAT WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN SOMETHING [01:20:01] ELSE, THEN PUSH ANOTHER PROJECT, YOU KNOW, FURTHER OUT. OKAY. YEAH, I, I, I, I SUPPORT US GOING, DOING THIS. OKAY. GIVING THIS DIRECTION. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. JUST LIKE TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT THERE, AND AS, AS ANDY MENTIONED, UH, AIR AND WATER COMPANY'S DEFINITELY COMMITTED TO THIS PROJECT, UNDERSTANDS THE SENSE OF URGENCY WITH, WITH THE PARKING GARAGE. AND AS, AS PART OF OUR COMMITMENT HERE IN TERMS OF UPSIZING, THE, THE WATER MAIN, WE'VE ALREADY PROCURED THE, THE 16 INCH DIAMETER WATER MAIN. WE HAVE THAT IN HAND AND, AND READY TO MAKE THAT AVAILABLE. IT'S NOT, I, TO BE CLEAR, IT'S NOT ALL THE MATERIALS. THERE'S STILL FITTINGS AND, AND VALVES AND SOME ANCILLARY COMPONENTS THERE, BUT IT'S THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE, OF THE MATERIALS. PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. ANDY, WHILE YOU'RE HERE, YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT ARIZONA WATER WILL WON'T DO. YOU JUST TESTIFIED TO, I, I THINK ESSENTIALLY ACKNOWLEDGING ALL THAT, MY LAST I HEARD THERE WAS AN MOU THAT YOU GUYS HADN'T SIGNED YET. WHERE ARE WE IN THAT PROCESS? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU HEARD TODAY THAT IS IMPACTING YOUR ABILITY TO SIGN THE MOU OR ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON THIS? UH, APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. YEAH. WE'VE, UH, YOU KNOW, COME TO, TO TERMS ON THE, ON THE DEAL POINTS THERE. UM, AND APOLOGIES, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN DRAFTING THE, THE MOU ON OUR SIDE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, RESOURCES HAVE BEEN, HAVE BEEN, UH, STRESSED THERE FOR THAT. BUT, UH, WE'RE HOPING TO GET, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST DRAFT OVER TO THE CITY, UH, AROUND THE END OF THIS WEEK THERE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. SO I THINK WE'RE, YOU KNOW, UH, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT READY FOR, YOU KNOW, REVIEW AND, AND REVISION AND APPROVAL, UH, READILY HERE. THANK YOU, CHARLOTTE. UM, JUST A QUESTION. SO IF PHASE ONE, UM, YOU'RE INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE PIPES AND PHASE TWO LAGS BEHIND THAT TO WHATEVER LENGTH OF TIME IT IS, DOES THAT CREATE, DOES THAT INEQUALITY IN PIPE SIZE CREATE ANY KIND OF SAFETY ISSUE? UM, GOING FROM ONE TO THE OTHER? I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S TRULY BETTER TO GET PHASE TWO DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. IT, IT, IT IS, UM, THERE WILL BE A VA LITTLE BIT OF A VULNERABLE, UM, MOMENT THERE UNTIL THE FULL, UH, IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE. BUT THE IMPROVEMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO WITH PHASE ONE, I THINK IS GONNA IMPROVE THE SYSTEM THERE TREMENDOUSLY, UM, JUST IN MAKING THAT IMPROVEMENT. SO, UM, THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF THE COMPROMISE IN NEGOTIATING WITH BETWEEN THE CITY AND ARIZONA WATER WAS LET'S GET WHAT MAKES US FEEL GOOD ABOUT OPENING THE GARAGE. UM, THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN FOR ARIZONA WATER, AND UNDERSTANDABLY, THEY DON'T WANT THEIR SYSTEM BEING COMPROMISED OR, UM, YOU KNOW, FAILING IN, IN ANY AREA, I'M SURE. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE COMPROMISE THAT WE CAME TO MM-HMM . AND YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YES. AND ANDY DESCRIBED IT VERY WELL. OKAY. THANKS. OKAY, ANDY? OKAY. READY FOR THE NEXT SLIDE? I THINK WE'RE ON NINE. THERE WE GO. THERE HAS BEEN CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION REGARDING FIRE PROTECTION. SO I WANT TO SUMMARIZE THE TECHNICAL REVIEW THAT'S OCCURRED. THE CITY RETAINED AN INDEPENDENT REGISTERED ENGINEER TO EVALUATE THE APPLICABLE FIRE PROTECTION REQUIREMENTS. THAT REVIEW CONCLUDED THAT AUTOMATIC SPRINKLERS ARE NOT REQUIRED ON THE OPEN ROOFTOP PARKING DECK, AND THAT THE PRESENCE OF THE PHOTOVOLTAIC CANOPY DOES NOT CREATE A REQUIREMENT FOR SPRINKLERS BENEATH THE CANOPY. THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY CHECKED ON OUR OWN. UM, AND IN ADDITION TO OTHER CONCERNS THAT WERE OUT THERE, THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT FIRE MARSHAL INDEPENDENTLY REACHED THE SAME CONCLUSION AS PART OF THE FIRE DISTRICT'S REVIEW. THE FIRE MARSHAL ALSO SOUGHT TECHNICAL GUIDANCE FROM THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL REGARDING APPLICATION OF THE CODE REQUIREMENTS TO THE OCCUPIED ROOF. THAT TECHNICAL GUIDANCE SUPPORTS THE INTERPRETATION BEING APPLIED TO THE PROJECT, AND IMPORTANTLY, THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT REMAINS THE AUTHORITY HAVING JURISDICTION FOR THE FIRE CODE COMPLIANCE AND MAKES THE FINAL DETERMINATION. SO WITH THE TECHNICAL REVIEW, SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE WHAT REMAINS FOR FIRE PROTECTION? AGAIN, THE PHOTOVOLTAIC SYSTEM IS TESTED AND APPROVED. THE FIRE ALARM AND FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS STILL REQUIRE FINAL ACCEPTANCE TESTING. COMPLETION OF THE PHASE ONE WATER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF GETTING THOSE SYSTEMS [01:25:01] THROUGH FINAL TESTING AND APPROVAL. SEPARATELY, THE CITY INTENDS TO COMPLETE A VOLUNTARY UPGRADE TO THE FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM, SERVING THE EV CHARGING AREA BEFORE OPENING. THAT WORK INCLUDES REPLACING THE SPRINKLER HEAD, SERVING THE EV CHARGING AREA, AND INSTALLING AN ADDITIONAL WATER SUPPLY LINE. THIS IS OUTSIDE THE $3.74 MILLION CONTRACT. WE'RE DESIGNING THAT IMPROVEMENT CONSERVATIVELY AND IN ANTICIPATION OF EVOLVING NFPA CRITERIA, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING EV CHARGING AREAS IN PARKING GARAGES. ONCE THAT WORK TESTING AND THE OTHER REMAINING ITEMS THAT ARE COMPLETE, WE'LL PROCEED THROUGH FINAL, UH, FIRE DISTRICT APPROVAL. THIS BRINGS US BACK TO THE QUESTION THAT REALLY MATTERS. WHEN CAN WE OPEN THE GARAGE BEFORE OPENING? WE INTEND TO HAVE THE REQUIRED FIRE, UH, PHASE ONE WATER SYSTEM WORK COMPLETE. THE VOLUNTARY EV AREA SPRINKLER UPGRADE, COMPLETE AND SAFE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ESTABLISHED ALONG FOREST ROAD WITH SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS COMPLETE ON AT LEAST ONE SIDE. WE'LL ALSO NEED TO, UH, FINAL, UH, FIRE DISTRICT AND BUILDING APPROVALS, THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND, AND OPERATIONAL READINESS BASED ON THE CURRENT CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE. AN ANTICIPATED SEQUENCE OF THE REMAINING WORK, WE'RE TARGETING AN OPENING BETWEEN DECEMBER, 2026 AND JANUARY, JANUARY, 2027. THE EXACT DATE WILL DEPEND ON CONSTRUCTION PROGRESS TESTING AND FINAL APPROVALS. SO WE'RE PRESENTING THAT AS A RANGE RATHER THAN COMMITTING TO A SPECIFIC DATE TODAY. WE ALL WOULD'VE PREFERRED TO HAVE THE GARAGE OPEN SOONER. AS WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THE REMAINING ISSUES, OUR PRIORITY HAS BEEN MAKING SURE THIS THE FACILITY IS SAFE, CODE COMPLIANT, AND READY FOR OPERATION. WE UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE DELAY, AND WE'RE WORKING, UH, TO COMPLETE THE REMAINING IMPROVEMENTS AND OPEN THE GARAGE AS QUICKLY AS WE REASONABLY CAN. TONIGHT, STAFF IS ASKING COUNSEL TO APPROVE THE LINKING AGREEMENT WITH ANNEKE FOR A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF APPROXIMATELY 3.74 MILLION FOR THE PHASE ONE WATER AND FOREST ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ALONG WITH THE ASSOCIATED ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY. THE AGREEMENT WITH ARIZONA WATER IS STILL BEING FINALIZED. AS WE DISCUSSED, WE'RE WORKING TOWARD A FRAMEWORK THAT FAIRLY ALLOCATES THE COST BETWEEN WHAT IS NECESSARY FOR THE GARAGE AND THE ADDITIONAL LONG-TERM BENEFIT TO ARIZONA WATER SYSTEM. PHASE TWO, AGAIN, IS NOT PART OF TONIGHT'S CONSTRUCTION AUTHORIZATION. WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT WORK AS IT END ITS PRELIMINARY COST TONIGHT. SO COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THE FULL PATH FORWARD AND IT WILL BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE FUTURE BUDGET AND CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. APPROVAL TONIGHT ALLOWS US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WORK THAT IS NOW ON THE CRITICAL PATH TO OPENING. PETE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND, UH, ANDY, COULD YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE? SO THE 3.7 MILLION COVERS ALL OF THIS EXCEPT FOR THE FIRE SPRINKLER UPGRADES, THE VOLUNTARY UPGRADES? THAT'S CORRECT. AND DO YOU HAVE A ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE YET AT THIS POINT? OUR BUDGETARY ESTIMATE AT THIS POINT IS BETWEEN 60 AND 80,000. THANK YOU. NOW, THE VOLUNTARY EV UPGRADE WILL MAKE US COMPLIANT WITH THE FIRE SAFETY CODES OF 2024. UH, SO, SO IT'S THE 20 25 25 PA THAT'S, UH, AS I LAST UNDERSTOOD, IT WAS STILL JUST IN DISCUSSION AND HAS NOT MOVED FORWARD WITH DEVELOPMENT YET. IS THERE ANY, DO DOES OUR TEAM HAVE ANY UPDATE TO THAT? NO. NO. OKAY. , SO THE LATEST FIRE CODES THAT HAVEN'T YET BEEN FULLY ADOPTED, THAT WHY WE'RE CALL IT VOLUNTARY AT THIS POINT? YEAH. RIGHT. IT, IT'S FUTURE, FUTURE CODE THAT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED YET. IT'S, IT'S IN DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME, IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. SO N-F-N-F-P-A IS A STANDARD, THE FIRE CODE IS THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE. I DON'T THINK AT THIS TIME, THE CURRENT INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE RECOGNIZES THE LATEST EDITION OF NFP 13, BUT WE'RE RECOGNIZING IT. WE WILL BE AHEAD OF THE FIRE CODE. YEAH. QUESTION ON THE, [01:30:02] THE FOREST ROAD WORK. THIS IS PART OF, THIS IS ON SIM ALREADY, RIGHT? CORRECT. IT'S SIM 3D. HOW FAR OUT WAS THAT TIME-WISE? IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN THIS SUMMER. OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT, SO THAT WAS ALREADY PLANNED FOR, SO OUT OF THIS 3.7, THAT WAS ALREADY A, YEAH, THE, THE BIG CHANGES THAT WE DECIDED TO COMBINE THE WATER WORK WITH WHAT WE WERE ALREADY PLANNING TO DO. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. IF THERE AREN'T ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THIS, I WILL GO TO THE PUBLIC AND I HAVE SEVERAL CARDS. UH, MARK BROOK IS FIRST FOLLOWED BY JEN FARNSWORTH, WHO WILL GET, UH, ALISON NICHOLS TIME IN ADDITION TO HER OWN. OH, I'M MARK BROOK, AND I LIVE IN UPTOWN AND AM PART OF THE PARKING WORK GROUP. AND RETIRED CIVIL ENGINEER JUST HAD THESE FEW COMMENTS ON THIS ISSUE. UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT RESIDENT CONCERNS REGARDING THE FIRE PROTECTION OF THE PARKING GARAGE HAVE, UH, RESULTED IN ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION. IT'S DISTURBING THAT THIS ISSUE ONLY RECENTLY SURFACED, CONSIDERING THAT RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN VOICING THEIR CONCERNS FOR QUITE A WHILE, AND THE PARKING GARAGE IS ESSENTIALLY COMPLETE. MY EXPERIENCE WITH DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF COMPLEX CIVIL ENGINEERING PROJECTS IS I UNDERSTAND THAT ONE OF THE INITIAL TASKS DURING THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN IS TO DEFINE INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS ON MOST PROJECTS. NFPA SPACE CLASSIFICATION IS DONE VERY EARLY BECAUSE OTHER DISCIPLINES DEPEND ON THAT WORK TO SPECIFY THEIR COMPONENTS. ANOTHER CONSIDERATION IS JUST SIMPLY THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. IS THERE SUFFICIENT POWER? IS THERE ADEQUATE REDUNDANCY? IS THERE ADEQUATE SEWER CAPACITY? AND IN THIS CASE, IS THERE SUFFICIENT WATER PRESSURE AND FLOW RATE TO MEET THE NEEDS? AGAIN, THESE ISSUES NEED TO BE UNDERSTOOD AS PROJECT CONSTRAINTS AT THE VERY BEGINNING AND OUTSET OF A PROJECT. IN THE CASE OF THE PARKING GARAGE, I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT FAILURES BY NOT INCORPORATING THESE IMPORTANT ISSUES AT THE RIGHT TIME. THE INITIAL WATER DISTRIBUTION MODEL THAT I HAD A LOOK AT WAS ONLY DONE IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, INDICATING WATER MAIN UPGRADE WAS NECESSARY. WHILE UPGRADES ARE BEING INDICATED AS HELPING THE UPTOWN WATER SERVICE, THE REAL REASON IS TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE FLOW AT, AT THE CORRECT VELOCITIES AND PRESSURE TO THE PARKING GARAGE FOR SAFETY. AND ALSO WONDER WHY WAS THE PEDESTRIAN WORK DELAYED SO THAT IT WAS NOT READY WHEN THE GARAGE WAS COMPLETE. UH, THESE OVERSIGHTS ARE SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE. UH, HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE TREATED AS A LEARNING MOMENT FOR STAFF AND CITY LEADERSHIP. WE CAN DO BETTER. A FINAL COMMENT CONCERNING THE CITY AND THE WATER MODEL. I, ALL THE COMMUNITIES THAT I'VE WORKED WITH ALL HAVE COMPLETE WATER MODELS FOR THEIR SYSTEMS. NOW, THIS IS A WATER COMPANY, BUT I THINK THE CITY SHOULD INSIST ON HAVING A COMPLETE WATER MODEL SO THAT THEY CAN EVALUATE THESE. THE WATER MODEL THAT I SAW THAT WAS PRODUCED BY KILL ME HORN WAS VERY SMALL, VERY, UH, UH, FOCUSED SIMPLY ON THIS PROJECT. AND I THINK TO MAKE, UH, COMPLETE DECISIONS, YOU REALLY NEED TO HAVE IN PLACE A COMPLETE MODEL OF YOUR SYSTEM. IT'S ALL ON, IT'S ALL ON GS, SO IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO MOVE TO THE NEXT PHASE. THANK YOU, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY STAFF. MY NAME IS JEN FARNSWORTH, AND I'M A RESIDENT OF UPTOWN SEDONA. I'M GLAD SAFETY IS FINALLY ENTERING THE CONVERSATION. THE EV SPRINKLER UPGRADE IS REAL AND IMPORTANT PROGRESS. I WANNA ESPECIALLY THANK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO LISTENED TO OUR CONCERNS, AND TO THE FIRE DISTRICT AND AZ WATER TEAMS WHO ARE WORKING HARD TO ADVANCE THESE SAFETY CHANGES. I FULLY SUPPORT THE INVESTMENT. IT WILL BE THE MOST IMPORTANT MONEY SPENT THIS YEAR AND BEYOND. PLEASE KEEP REVIEWING EVERY PROPOSAL THROUGH THE LENS OF SAFETY. THIS GARAGE IS A LOCATION AND DESIGN. THE EVOLVING UNDERSTANDING OF MODERN VEHICLE FIRE HAZARDS, THE SITE'S EXTREME WILDFIRE RISK AND EVACUATION CONSTRAINTS MAKE GARAGE SAFETY A PRIORITY. IT WAS A RELIEF, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IN JANUARY, 2025, WHEN PROJECT MANAGER ANDY DICKEY CONFIRMED IN WRITING PER THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS, THIS PROJECT IS REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH ORDINARY HAZARD GROUP TWO UNDER NFPA 13 NFPA 88 A AND LOCAL CODES. A WRITTEN CONTRACT REQUIREMENT CAN ESTABLISH A HIGHER STANDARD THAN THE MINIMUM CODE THE FIRE DISTRICT MAY HAVE ADOPTED AND IS INDEPENDENT OF CODE ADOPTION TIMING. PLEASE KEEP EVALUATING THE FIRE PROTECTION FOR THE TOP DECK. AND PLEASE [01:35:01] FORGET THE CODES FOR JUST A MOMENT. PICTURE A GARAGE IN AN EXTREME FIRE RISK LOCATION. 460 LIVES, 74 VEHICLES AND NO AUTOMATIC FIRE SUPPRESSION AND A VEHICLE OR PV FIRE STARTS. WHAT HAPPENS IN THOSE FIRST FEW MINUTES? HOW DO FIREFIGHTERS REACH THE TOP DECK? AND HOW LONG BEFORE THE PUMPER DEPENDENT STANDPIPE WORKS? DOES THIS FEEL SAFE? NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE NEW WATER IMPROVEMENTS, IF THE, UM, STANDPIPE WILL NO LONGER NEED A PUMPER TRUCK. UM, BUT THAT'S THE LAST INFORMATION I HAD. THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION, WHO'VE BEEN SETTING FIRE STANDARDS SAFETY STANDARDS FOR OVER 130 YEARS, SAYS AUTOMATIC SPRINKLERS ON AN OPEN TOP DECK DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IN HOUSTON, OCTOBER, 2024, ONE CAR FIRE IN AN UNS SPRINKLER TO OPEN GARAGE SPREAD TO 30 VEHICLES IN UNDER SIX MINUTES AND TOOK NEARLY 100 FIREFIGHTERS TO CONTROL. NO EVS WERE INVOLVED. THE CITY PLAN LEAVES THE TOP DECK WITHOUT AUTOMATIC SPRINKLERS BECAUSE THEY ARE RELYING ON AN OLDER CODE PATH THAT TREATS AN OCCUPIED TOP DECK AS OUTSIDE A BUILDING AREA OR FIRE AIR CA AREA CALCULATION USED TO DECIDE IF THE GARAGE COUNTS AS FULLY SPRINKLED. THE TWO LOWER LEVELS EARN THAT LABEL, AND THE TOP DECK INHERITS IT WITHOUT HAVING ITS OWN SPRINKLERS. YET THE TOP DECK MAY HOLD MORE PEOPLE THAN ANY OTHER LEVEL. THAT'S AN ACCOUNTING AN ANSWER. IT'S NOT A SAFETY ANSWER. OUR 300, OUR 460 PEOPLE AND 74 VEHICLES DESERVE THE SAME PROTECTION THAT EVERYONE ELSE ON THE OTHER TWO LEVELS IN THE GARAGE HAVE. A 2021 PEER REVIEWED FIRE TECHNOLOGY STUDY FOUND THAT VEHICLE FIRE DATA FROM 2005 SHOULD NEVER AGAIN BE USED TO WRITE FIRE CODE MODERN VEHICLES, BURN HOTTER, FASTER, AND WITH MORE TOXIC FUMES, AND NOW CARRY OVER 400 POUNDS OF PLASTIC. THAT'S EXACTLY WHY THE NFPA RAISED SPRINKLER DENSITY OVER 30%. THAT MEANS 30% MORE WATER THAT NEEDS TO COME FROM THOSE SPRINKLERS AND REQUIRED SPRINKLERS ON EVERY FLOOR OPEN OR CLOSED THIS YEAR. NFPA IS RUNNING FULL SCALE FIRE TESTS IN NORWAY BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THE STANDARDS ADEQUACY IS STILL BEING VERIFIED, IF EXPERTS AREN'T SURE OH TWO IS ENOUGH, RELYING ON THE OLD OUTDATED OH ONE BASELINE ISN'T DEFENSIBLE. WHEN 844 LIVES AND 270 VEHICLES ARE INVOLVED, PLEASE ASK THE FIRE DISTRICT DIRECTLY. ARE THE CODES IN THIS PACKET BASED ON THE OLD NFPA 13 20 19 0 1 BASELINE OR THE RECLASSIFIED MODERN VEHICLE OH TWO STANDARD? AND WILL THE GARAGE BE REVIEWED FOR OCCUPANCY BASED ON THAT OH TWO STANDARD? UH, ONE FINAL QUESTION. MAY'S, A FIRE DISTRICT REVIEW, UM, INDICATED THAT THE 2018 WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE CODE IS APPLICABLE TO THIS PROJECT. BUT THE AUGUST ANALYSIS THAT WE HAVE TODAY OMITS IT WAS THIS AN ACCIDENT? AND WILL THIS STILL APPLY? THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING MY QUESTIONS. TIM PERRY. GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN UPTOWN SEDONA WITH ANOTHER CORPORATE WELFARE PROJECT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL FOR THE GARAGE. THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO TAKE A FEW MOMENTS TO ADD UP JUST HOW MUCH THIS UNNEEDED BOONDOGGLE HAS COST SO FAR. AT THE TIME THE MCCARTHY CONTRACT WAS APPROVED, THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT WAS ESTIMATED AT JUST A HAIR UNDER $26 MILLION, WHICH WAS ABOUT TWICE WHAT IT HAD FORMERLY BEEN ESTIMATED TO COST. THEN THERE WAS THE ADDITIONAL $3.8 MILLION CONTRACT FAN COMMINGLED WITH THE FOREST ROAD COSTS, OF COURSE, UH, FOR WORK THAT MCCARTHY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO, YOU KNOW, AND TO SOMEONE ON THE OUTSIDE, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WAS DONE SPECIFICALLY. SO MCCARTHY COULD MAKE MORE MONEY ON THE JOB WITHOUT APPEARING TO INCREASE THEIR CONTRACT VALUE. THEN THERE WAS THE $1.2 MILLION THAT COUNCIL JUST GAVE TO MCCARTHY AT ITS LAST MEETING TO COMPENSATE FOR FANS ALLEGED DEFICIENCIES. THE $1.4 MILLION THAT THE CITY WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO PAY FAN BECAUSE OF HOW IT PLAYED AROUND WITH THE FAN CONTRACT WHEN THAT WORKS THROUGH THE COURTS. WE HAD $188,000 LAST OCTOBER TO GABOR LA RENT TO [01:40:01] FURTHER AMPLIFY THE BUILDING. ANOTHER 60 TO $80,000 FOR THE EV SPRINKLER UPDATES WE JUST HEARD ABOUT TONIGHT. AND OF COURSE, THE $3.7 MILLION IN NEW GRAFT. DEKE BENICKY, I SEEM TO RECALL WHEN THEY DID THE UNDERCLASS PROJECT, BOB WELCH SAID THAT THEIR ESTIMATED PROFIT MARGIN WOULD BE ABOUT 25% ON THAT OUT OF PUBLIC FUNDS. AND THEN THE 2.5 MILLION IN PHASE TWO WORK, WHICH IS PROJECTED AND PLANNED. ADD ALL THOSE NUMBERS UP. YOU COME TO ABOUT $38.9 MILLION. DO I HEAR 40 MILLION? THIS GARAGE IS CLOSING IN ON 40 MILLION IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AT THIS RATE. ALL FOR A PROJECT WE DON'T NEED JUST TO GIVE MONEY TO OUT OF TOWN DEVELOPERS. AND ONE MORE THING, THIS COUNSELING STAFF SHOULD GIVE JEN FARNSWORTH AN APOLOGY PUBLICLY FOR ALL THE GRIEF THEY'VE GIVEN HER WHILE SHE WAS TRYING TO CALL THE PUBLIC'S ATTENTION TO THESE DEFICIENCIES OVER THE LAST MANY MONTHS. TONIGHT, SMELLS RATHER LIKE VINDICATION. DON'T SPEND ANOTHER PENNY ON THIS GARAGE. IT'S COMING DOWN ANYWAY, IN THE LONG RUN, SAVE YOURSELVES AND US THE TIME AND YEARS OF TROUBLE AND BULLDOZE IT. NOW, PARKING GARAGES DO NOT BELONG IN SMALL TOWNS. OH, AND ANDY, YOU NEED A HECK OF A LOT MORE IMAGINATION. I JUST WANNA MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR THAT WE, IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE FOR ANYBODY WHO TESTIFIES TO US TO CALL OUT INDIVIDUALS EITHER ON THE COUNCIL OR THE STAFF TO DEMEAN THEM. THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE IN THIS SOCIETY. . AND YOU'LL BE STOPPED FROM SPEAKING IF YOU CONTINUE TO DO IT. THANK YOU. OKAY, COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE, UH, COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO, UM, ARIZONA WATER FOR COMING TO THE TABLE, AND THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION SHARED. I THINK OBVIOUSLY, UM, YOU KNOW, AN MOU FOR THIS WORK IS, UH, WHERE WE NEED TO GO. IT'S GOTTA BE A SAFETY FIRST ISSUE, AND WE'VE GOT TO IMPROVE THE WATER PRESSURE UP THERE. UM, I DON'T SEE ANOTHER WAY AROUND THIS. I, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THE GARAGE HAS HAD A LOT OF, UM, UNEXPLAINED, UNEXPECTED OBSTACLES AND CHALLENGES. UH, I WISH THAT LARGE PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS WOULD GO THROUGH SMOOTHLY, BUT IN LIFE THEY DON'T. UM, BUT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS TONIGHT WITH THE MOU AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS CORRECTION CAN HAPPEN BECAUSE IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY, NOT ONLY FOR THE SAFETY OF THE GARAGE, BUT FOR THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY IN THE LONG RUN. AND AS IT WAS POINTED OUT, WE NEED IMPROVEMENTS UP THERE FOR ANY KIND OF EMERGENCY THAT WOULD HAPPEN. UM, SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS. OF COURSE, I HAVE CONCERNS AND RESERVATIONS ABOUT HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT, BUT I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS. ANYBODY ELSE? CHARLOTTE? DITTO. I MEAN, NOBODY'S HAPPY THAT IT'S TAKING THIS LONG. WHO WOULD BE NOBODY'S HAPPY THAT IT'S COST THIS MUCH? WHO WOULD BE NOBODY'S HAPPY THAT THERE'VE BEEN THIS MANY SURPRISES? UM, AT SOME POINT YOU JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT'S THE WAY BIG PROJECTS GO. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS A LEARNING OPPORTUNITY. UM, I HOPE THAT WHEN WE FINALLY, WELL, IT IS BUILT , BUT THEY WILL COME AND, UM, WE'LL GET THE REVENUE WE ANTICIPATE FROM IT. AND, AND AS A SIDE BENEFIT, I THINK, UH, UPTOWN'S GONNA GET, HAVE BETTER WATER PRESSURE. SO , THAT'S A GOOD THING. SO, I MEAN, I SUPPORT IT TOO, BRIAN. DITTO. AND MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ALREADY SAID. AND ARIZONA WATER. WHEN WE HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING WITH YOU, I WILL DEFINITELY BE ASKING YOU ABOUT MODELING OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. AS PER WHAT MR. BROOK ELOQUENTLY SHARED, THAT I THINK THAT IT'S TIME THAT WE'RE ABLE TO EXPECT THAT THERE IS A MODEL THAT COVERS THE ENTIRE SYSTEM SO THAT ANY FUTURE PROJECTS, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY IS BETTER ASSURED THAN WHERE WE'RE SITTING RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. [01:45:01] I WOULD ECHO, UH, ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT MY COLLEAGUES MADE, BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT WE ARE, IT'S AUGUST MIGHT BE CLOSE TO SEPTEMBER, BUT IT'S AUGUST. WE'RE TWO MONTHS INTO THE, OUR FIRST QUARTER'S, ALMOST OVER THREE MONTHS INTO THE FISCAL YEAR. BUT WE HAVE NINE MONTHS TO GO. I DO NOT WANT CONTINGENCY TOUCH FOR THIS. UH, I THINK WE CONTINGENCIES CONTINGENCY'S THERE FOR THE WHOLE YEAR, AND WE NEED TO FIND PUBLIC WORKS MONEY TO COVER THE EXTRA COSTS. AGREED. I SUSPECT WE'LL FIND SOMETHING TOMORROW IN THE SIM UPDATE. YEAH. WELL, I'M NOT ASKING 'EM TO WORK ALL NIGHT AND BRING IT TO US TOMORROW IN THE, IN THE UPDATE, BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT, THAT IS MY FEELING ABOUT IT. AGREE. THIS ONE WASN'T. SO THIS IS FOR THIS ITEM. WE HAVE ONE CARD THAT WAS AN OVERSIGHT. ROBERT COSTER, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? YES, IF I CAN. SURE. UH, ROBERT COSTER. SEDONA, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AHEAD AND SPEAK. APPRECIATE IT. YOU KNOW, ENOUGH HAS BEEN SAID ON THE COST, THE COST OVERRUNS. SHOULD WE HAVE DONE IT? SHOULDN'T WE HAVE DONE IT? UH, YOU'RE AT A POINT WHERE YOU, YOU'RE KIND OF AT A POINT OF NO RETURN, UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT A LOT OF IT IS, AGAIN, TRANSPARENCY. AND I'M NOT GONNA SAY TRANSPARENCY ON THE COST, WHETHER IT'S ONE CHANGE ORDER, 20 CHANGE ORDERS. IT WAS 20 MILLION, IT WAS 40 MILLION. IT IS WHAT IT IS. UM, BUT WHAT I AM GONNA SAY IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND HONESTY TO THE, THE PEOPLE, THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, NOT MUCH HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN THE GARAGE IS IN. WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO ALL THE OPEN PARKING? WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO COST FOR PEOPLE TO PARK IN PLACES THAT THEY CAN CURRENTLY PARK AT NO COST, HOW THEY'RE GONNA END UP BEING AT ONE END OF TOWN WHEN THE PARKING GARAGE IS IN ANOTHER? WELL, THAT'S KIND OF, KIND OF JUST PUSHED ASIDE. UM, BUT THOSE ARE IMPACT THINGS THAT IMPACT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY. AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF PUSHED ASIDE. WE, WE FOCUS ON THE BIG PICTURE OF GETTING THIS COMPLETED. AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT. I MEAN, WE OWE TRANSPARENCY, HONESTY TO THE PEOPLE OF THIS CITY COMPLETELY. AND THAT MEANS WHAT THE END RESULT'S GONNA BE ONCE IT'S DONE, WHAT'S IT GONNA IMPACT THE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA? ROBERT, THIS ITEM IS COMING UP IN A FEW MINUTES. IT'S NEXT ON OUR AGENDA. OKAY. WELL, I I, I WILL FINISH THAT, THAT I DON'T HAVE TO SAY ON THAT ONE TOO. THANK YOU. BUT THE ONE THING GONNA ALSO JUST THROW IN HERE IS YOU ARE LOOKING AT TRANSIT GARAGE, THE, THE BUS GARAGE. THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING I THINK THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY HAS TO LOOK AT IN LIGHT OF THIS PROJECT AND QUESTION IT IN DETAIL, WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO GO FORWARD. BECAUSE THIS ONE HAS BEEN A, A, YOU KNOW, AN ALBATROSS. UH, AND I THINK, UM, UM, EVEN FOR THE CON WHEN THE UPTOWN ANOTHER GARAGE BUILDING OVER BY THE, THE AMP, WHERE THE AMP POTENTIAL AMPHITHEATER WOULD BE CAME UP WAS NO, NEVER GONNA DO IT AGAIN. I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT. SO AGAIN, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE PROJECTS IN THE LIGHT OF DAY AND WHAT THE COST AND THE IMPACT IS TO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR THE WATER PROJECT UP THERE. I HOPE WE DON'T HAVE TO, DON'T HAVE TO PUT ANOTHER HOUSE OVER A BUILDING AND HAVE MORE COSTS GO BACK TO OUR WATER BILLS. 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE LIKE DOUBLE INSULT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. SO I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF MY COMMENTS. UH, I'LL TRY TO REMEMBER WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. I THINK THAT, UM, I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE, AND I THINK WE HAVE TO DO A COMPLETE REVIEW OF EVERYTHING ON THIS PROJECT. CHARLOTTE, YOU SAID IT WOULD BE A LEARNING EXPERIENCE. IT'S NOT A LEARNING EXPERIENCE UNLESS WE ACTUALLY LEARN FROM IT. AND SO I THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO, UH, AND ANNETTE, I'M LOOKING AT YOU TOO FOR, AND IN THAT CORNER OVER THERE, ROXANNE, THAT IT REALLY, IT'S, IT REQUIRES SOME DEEP REVIEW OF EVERY PHASE AND HOW WE APPROACH THINGS. THIS IS NEW FOR US. WE'VE NOT BUILT A NEW BUILDING. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF LESSONS TO BE LEARNED HERE OF WHAT WE DID RIGHT, WHAT WE DID WRONG, HOW WE CAN IMPROVE IN THE FUTURE FOR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE GONNA BUILD. AND UNDERSTANDING [01:50:01] OUR PARTNERS, UNDERSTANDING THE, THE, THE CAPACITY. I MEAN, WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT THERE WASN'T A WATER, THAT THE WATER COMPANY WOULDN'T HAVE A WATER ANALYSIS OF THE CITY? AND I JUST LOOKED UP WHILE WE WERE HERE. ARIZONA WATER BOUGHT THE WATER, SEVERAL WATERS LINES FROM A PS IN 1955. SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S NEW. I MEAN, THE SYSTEM'S OLD, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE A RECENT PURCHASE. SO TO NOT HAVE SOME OF THESE BASIC THINGS IS REALLY, I'D HAVE TO SHAKE MY HEAD AND, AND WONDER WHY. SO THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A GOOD SITUATION, BUT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. AND THANK YOU JEN FARNSWORTH FOR, FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE TO, AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH JEN FARNSWORTH FOR THREE YEARS ON THIS, SO I KNOW THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT SHE'S PUT INTO IT. AND, AND HERE WE ARE. SO, MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST MM-HMM . ADD TO YOUR COMMENTS A LITTLE BIT AND, YOU KNOW, START OF LAST FISCAL YEAR, THIS COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE AUDIT SUBCOMMITTEE TO BE FORMED OF COUNCIL. AND, AND, UH, AND, AND IT'S FOR THIS EXACT REASON TO LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES TO POINT AT. AND STAFF DOES A GOOD JOB OF FINANCIAL AUDITS. MM-HMM . BUT THE THING THAT WE'VE SEEN LACKING IN, UH, IN THE PAST IS A ACTUAL PERFORMANCE AUDIT FUNCTION. AND THIS PROJECT, I THINK, OPENS ITSELF UP TO BE A GREAT TEST GROUND OF, OF WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE AND LEARN AND LEARN FROM AND IMPLEMENT, UH, THROUGH A PERFORMANCE AUDIT. SO, THANK YOU. HOW DO WE TAKE THAT TO THE NEXT STEP TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS? DO WE NEED TO HAVE A A, A MOTION UP HERE OR SOMETHING TO PERFORM A PERFORMANCE AUDIT? IT IS THIS DIRECTION TO STAFF, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS IMMINENT OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S OUT FURTHER IN THE FUTURE? BECAUSE I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN'T LEARN THE LESSONS UNTIL WE HAVE THE TEXTBOOK TO TELL US, YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATION. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT THIS TO FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS. I, I WANT, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANNA EVER SEE A PROJECT LIKE THIS AGAIN WITH THIS MANY. SO IF I MAY, UH, MAYOR COUNCILOR KINSELLA AND COUNCILOR FURMAN, UM, YES, WE HAVE THE AUDIT COMMITTEE. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE NEXT MEETING IS. THEY CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS IT. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE GET THE PROJECT COMPLETE BEFORE WE START TRYING TO DO A PERFORMANCE AUDIT OF IT. LET'S GET THROUGH IT. UM, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU WANNA APPROACH THAT. I HAVE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT I THINK I'M LOOKING, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY DISAGREEING WITH THE SUGGESTION, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY INCORPORATE THAT INTO A WORK PLAN. UM, THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS COUNCIL DIRECTION THAT'S LIKE STAFF LEVEL WORK, BUT I'VE HEARD YOU. YEAH, AND THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT. I WAS GONNA ANSWER WITH THE SAME, THAT YOU REALLY NEED TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT IF THIS THING NEEDS TO BE OPEN BEFORE WE DO A PERFORMANCE AUDIT IN THE END. BUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE AUDIT COMMITTEE SO FAR HAS BEEN SPENDING ITS TIME LOOKING AT PERFORMANCE MEASURES AND REPORTING AND HOW WE'RE GONNA BE SHARING WITH THE PUBLIC, UH, WHICH IS A LAYER DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE STAFF IS USING FOR ITS OWN EVALUATION. UM, BUT THEN THE NEXT PART OF OUR CONVERSATION IS ABOUT HOW WE START THINKING ABOUT THIS PERFORMANCE AUDITING. AND I'VE GOT SOME SPECIFIC ACTION ITEMS MYSELF TO, TO GET SOME PEOPLE IN TO TALK TO THE COMMITTEE AND, AND, UH, REPORT TO US, AND WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE BRINGING TO COUNCIL AT, AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. AND I, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THERE'S A SMALL BUDGET THAT WAS ALLOCATED TO THE AUDIT COMMITTEE IF YOU NEEDED TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE PERSON TO COME IN AND HELP DO A REVIEW OR SOMETHING. SO, I MEAN, THERE ARE, THERE IS SOME RESOURCES. WELL, GREAT. OKAY. ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION, MOTION, SOMETHING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER BEFORE YOU MAKE THE MOTION? AS YOU KNOW, THE, THE MOU IS NOT IN THE PACKET, BUT IT IS IN THE MOTION. SO IT WOULD BE UP TO YOU WHETHER YOU WANT TO, UH, JUST REMOVE THAT FROM THE MOTION OR YOU, WHETHER YOU WANT TO, UH, REVISE THE MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO APPROVE THE MOU. UH, WELL, I'M SORRY, CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? UM, IN THE PAST, I THINK WHEN WE'VE HAD THE TERMS LAID OUT, WHICH I BELIEVE THEY WERE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET, OR NOT GENERALLY, [01:55:01] THEY'RE NOT GENERALLY. UM, UM, SO WE WOULD NEED TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU POTENTIALLY, UM, TO APPROVE IT FOR SIGNATURE ONCE WE GET THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT BACK. SO JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, IF WE HAVE TO BRING IT BACK ON A FUTURE ITEM, WE COULD PUT IT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. IT SHOULDN'T BE ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT, AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THE RANGE THAT WAS DISCUSSED. YEAH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S YEAH. CONSIDERABLY HIGHER, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. YEAH, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT. UM, THE, AND SO THEN YOU WOULD JUST REMOVE THAT FROM THE, THE PART OF THE MOTION TONIGHT BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE APPROVING THE OU, YOU COULD DIRECT US TO COMPLETE THE MOU OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF YOU WANT IT IN THE RECORD THAT YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF US MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. MONIQUE, WOULD THE, WOULD THE LANGUAGE BE TO APPROVE THE LINKING AGREEMENT, UM, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND THEN PENDING A, UH, APPROVED MOU THAT WILL COME FORWARD? AND YOU, YOU, YOU COULD DO THAT, UH, IN THE LINKING AGREEMENT, LIKE, UH, ALL OF OUR AGREEMENTS, THERE IS A, UH, A TERMINATION FOR CONVENIENCE. SO THE, IF IF IT DOESN'T GET APPROVED, WE COULD TERMINATE THE LINKING AGREEMENT. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PENDING, BUT YOU COULD CERTAINLY COME FORWARD. I, I, I'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE MOU REFERENCED AND AS ABSOLUTELY PENDING COME FORWARD. AND THEN OTHER THING TO CONSIDER, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO, UH, AND PER MANDY WHETHER YOU WOULD NEED TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO, UH, TRANSFER FUNDS, UM, OR, OR WHETHER THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THIS MOTION OR NOT. SO FOR THE $3,741,285 50 CENTS, WE NEED TO SAY WHERE THAT'S GOING TO COME FROM SINCE THAT'S BEYOND, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? UH, I, I'M JUST QUESTIONING ANDY, WHETHER THAT, UH, NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE MOTION OR NOT. SO WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE IS THE AUTHORITY TO TRANSFER FUNDS TO COVER THE EXPENDITURE GAP THAT WE NEED. SO YES, WE SHOULD INCLUDE THAT, BUT WE'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THEY'RE BEING TRANSFERRED FROM BEFORE. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M, WELL, I'M NOT REALLY COMFORTABLE AT THIS POINT MAKING A MOTION ON THIS WITH THESE UNKNOWNS. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY'S BEING TRANSFERRED FROM. I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE MOUI BELIEVE IS, ARE WE, IS THERE A REASON THAT THIS HAS TO HAPPEN TONIGHT? BECAUSE I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS LANGUAGE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. IF, IF WE WANT TO GET THE GARAGE OPEN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GET THE CONTRACTOR OUT THERE WORKING ON IS POTHOLING AND LOCATING UTILITIES IN THEIR WORK AREA. UM, IF THE MOU IS THE ISSUE, I WOULD JUST THROW OUT THAT THAT'S THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY, CITY. IT'S NOT THE ONLY ISSUE, IT'S THE TRANSFER OF FUNDS. WHERE ARE THEY COMING FROM? I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA ROB ONE. WE KNOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEFER SOMETHING, BUT I DON'T WANNA ROB ONE PROJECT TO PAY FOR THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GONE OVER THAT THIS IS AN EXCESS OF, I WANT, I WANT ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS. WHAT I MENTIONED IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION WAS THAT TWO PROJECTS THAT, AND I'M JUST NAMING TWO, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT A LOT OF PROJECTS TOMORROW. TWO OF THOSE PROJECTS DID NOT RECEIVE GRANT FUNDING AND THEREFORE, BY DELAYING THE, BOTH THE FOREST ROAD ROUNDABOUT AND THE BREWER RANGE OF ROUNDABOUT TO FY 28 WOULD, WOULD CREATE MORE THAN ENOUGH EXPENDITURE LIMITATION TO COVER THIS GAP. SO IT'S NOT REALLY TRANSFER, THEY'RE ALL IN PUBLIC WORKS. IT'S ALREADY THERE. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT REALLY A TRANSFER OF FUNDS, EXCEPT IF WE WANTED TO USE THE BOND PROCEEDS THE $500,000 AND THE FRANCHISE. SO FOR THE EXPENDITURE, HMM. SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN, AND THE FRANCHISE FEES. YEAH, YEAH, THE FRANCHISE FEES AS FAR AS FUNDING. UM, BUT I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. SORRY. UH, WOULD LANGUAGE OF, UM, PROCEEDS TO COME FROM PROJECTS THAT WILL NOT BE MOVING FORWARD IN THIS FISCAL YEAR MM-HMM . THAT WOULD, SO DOES THAT SATISFY I I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN? SO THAT IT WOULD SAY APPROVE THE, AGAIN, I STILL AM, THE MOU IS STILL AN UN UH, AN OPEN QUESTION FOR ME. SO IT WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE LINKING AGREEMENT WITH ANNEKE CONSTRUCTION FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE WATER SYSTEM AND FOREST ROAD STREET IMPROVEMENTS FOR 3,741,000 285 50, UH, SUBJECT CITY OR OF ATTORNEY APPROVAL PROCEEDS TO COME FROM PROJECTS THAT WILL NOT BE MOVING PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS THAT WILL NOT BE MOVING FORWARD IN FI IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. THAT WOULD BE FINE. DO YOU HAVE TO REFERENCE THE BONDING AND THEN ALSO, SORRY, WHAT DO YOU NEED TO REFERENCE THE, UH, BONDING? WE WOULD [02:00:01] U THE ISSUE OF USING THE BOND PROCEEDS COMES UP IN DEVELOPMENT OF FY 28 BUDGET. IF THE INTENT IS TO REPLENISH THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS, THAT'S THE SOURCE. SO WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MOVE THE BOND FUNDING RIGHT NOW, IS THAT CORRECT? SO WHAT WE WERE, WHAT ANDY WAS DESCRIBING EARLIER WAS WE WOULD MOVE MONEY OUT OF CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WILL NOT BE DONE THIS YEAR, AND THEN THE SOURCE OF REPAYMENT TO THOSE PROJECTS AND FY 28 WOULD BE OH, OKAY. THE, IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS PROPOSED? IS THAT NOT WHAT I HEARD EARLIER? YES. SORRY, LOOKING TO BARBARA, THE TECHNICAL, IS IT WORKING OKAY. OKAY. SO THE INTENT WAS TO BORROW, IF YOU WOULD, FROM PROJECTS THAT WILL BE DELAYED OR DEFERRED THIS YEAR, LIKE, UM, SOME THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT TOMORROW. AND I KNOW ANDY, ANDY MENTIONED, AND THERE IS THAT THREE POINT, WAS IT 2.7 ANDY, OR 3.7 IN FRANCHISE FEES? THAT'S IN 2.7. 2.7. THANK YOU. IN THE GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE, THAT'S WHAT CAN'T BE ALLOCATED THIS YEAR, BUT IT WOULD BE ALLOCATED BY COUNCIL, PRESUMABLY NEXT YEAR TO PAY BACK THOSE OTHER PROJECTS. OKAY. SO THE BONDS ARE, OKAY. IT WAS THE FRANCHISE FEES. OKAY. SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION. SO NEITHER ONE OF THEM WOULD BE USED FOR FY 27 IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THE, THE BONDS ARE AVAILABLE BECAUSE THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN BEING USED FOR THE PROJECT. SO THAT'S REALLY JUST LIKE THE CASH ITSELF AS OPPOSED TO AN ACTUAL BUDGET ITEM. SO THE TIMING OF THE BONDS DOESN'T MATTER. OKAY. SO WHAT KATHY RED MEETS YOUR APPROVAL, TAKE THE FUNDING FROM PUBLIC WORKS AND ALSO I, I WOULD STILL BE MAKING IT SUBJECT TO A MOU THAT'S COMING FROM AMONG THE CITY, THE ARIZONA WATER COMPANY AND STONE FIRE DISTRICT. CORRECT. YOU'D USE, UH, PENDING THE MOU BEFORE AND THAT WAS PERFECT. SORRY, YOU'D USE THE WORD PENDING THE MOU BEFORE? YES, YES, YES. I, I HAVE THAT PENDING. OKAY. I'M TAKING MY NOTES HERE. OKAY. I THOUGHT ANDY SAID IF WE'RE LINKING IT TO THE MOU, THAT MIGHT DELAY IT AND WE, AND THE APPROVAL OF THE EXPENDITURE FOR BKE NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD. YES, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. I, I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT PENDING THE MOU WELL, BUT WE EXPECT THE MOU TO COME FORWARD AND WE WERE PROVING THAT THE FUNDS CAN, WILL BE RELEASED AND MOU IS GONNA BE COMING FORWARD, I BELIEVE, AT THE NEXT, OUR NEXT MEETING. IS THAT CORRECT? NOT TOMORROW, BUT THE NEXT MEETING. THAT'S THE INTENT. YEAH. ARE AND IS THAT TIMING WORK FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE? YES. YES. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. I'M READY FOR A CONVOLUTED MOTION. . UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE I LINKING AGREEMENT WITH BKE CONSTRUCTION FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE WATER SYSTEM AND FOREST ROAD STREET IMPROVEMENTS FOR $3,741,285 AND 50 CENTS. UM, FINISH WITH WHAT? FINISH THE SUBJECT. NO, I'LL GET THERE. I'LL GET THERE. , THAT'S GOTTA GO AT THE END. UM, UH, WITH THE FUNDING TO COME FROM, UH, PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS THAT WILL NOT BE PROCEEDING IN FISCAL YEAR 27 AND PENDING A SIGNED MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AMONG THE CITY OF SEDONA, THE ARIZONA WATER COMPANY, AND SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT, SUBJECT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S APPROVAL. UH, HOLD ON, HELEN, SORRY. DO YOU HAVE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM PLEASE? NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. HELEN MCNEIL. SEDONA. I'M THE, UH, CHAIR OF THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT GOVERNING BOARD. AND I JUST WANT TO SUGGEST THAT ALL OF OUR WORK IS ALREADY COVERED UNDER EXISTING AGREEMENTS WE HAVE WITH THE CITY AND NOT, WE WILL NOT BE SIGNING A SEPARATE MOU, SO I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE THAT IN THE AGREEMENT. IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL AS WELL. LANGUAGE. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, BUT NOW HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? ? WELL, WE'VE BEEN SAYING IT ALL ALONG, I'M AFRAID. SO WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE AN MOU THEN AMONG THEM PARTIES THAT, SO CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS? SO, AS THIS STARTED WITH, UH, AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THREE PARTIES, ARIZONA WATER FIRE DISTRICT, AND THE CITY, THE INTENT [02:05:01] FOR ARIZONA WATER WAS TO ENSURE THAT THE CODES BEING AGREED TO WERE AG, UH, SUPPORTED BY THE FIRE DISTRICT. SO WORKING WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT, WE DEVELOPED THE, THE AGREEMENT IN THAT WAY, AND WE ENDED UP DEVELOPING A, A STATEMENT TO GO IN THERE WITH, WITH THE ARIZONA, UM, I'M SORRY, WITH THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT SECTION IN THE AGREEMENT THAT SAYS THAT THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THE AGREEMENT WAS LIMITED TO CODE OVERSIGHT AND THEIR AUTHORITY HAVING TO DO WITH THAT. I HEARD BACK THAT THAT SHOULD BE OKAY. AND SO WE PROCEEDED IN THAT MANNER, JUST HEARD YESTERDAY THAT IT WAS NOT OKAY OR NOT LIKELY. OKAY. SO THAT, THAT WAS BRAND NEW NEWS TO ME, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD MODIFY IN THE MLU. IT'S NOT MATERIAL TO THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND ARIZONA WATER AT THIS POINT. LAST TIME I TALKED TO ANDY HAAS, WHO IS HERE, HE WAS OKAY WITH THE IDEA OF REMOVING SEDONA FIRE FROM THE MOU. IS THAT CORRECT, ANDY? YES. THANK YOU. I I WOULD LET THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE LANGUAGE DRAFTED AND PUT ON THE SCREEN. UM, IF WE COULD MAYBE TAKE A BREAK TO LET, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS, THE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, THAT OUR FINANCIAL OFFICE AND THAT, UM, THE PARTIES THAT WILL BE INVOLVED ARE OKAY WITH THIS. I THINK THIS HAS GOTTEN TOO CONVOLUTED. WE'VE GONE THROUGH FIVE, UM, RENDITIONS OF THIS. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING A MOTION UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. SO DURING THE BREAK, WHO'S GOING TO BE WORKING TOGETHER? THE CITY ATTORNEY. MM-HMM . AND BARBARA. AND YOU? KATHY? UH, I THINK DY AND ANDY. OKAY. TAKING A BREAK. WE'LL BE BACK. OH, THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'RE BACK. TEST, TEST. THANKS. AND WE'RE OKAY, EVERYBODY WE'RE BACK AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE MOTION. OKAY. KATHY, DO YOU WANNA READ IT? YEAH, I'M GONNA READ IT AND THEN I'LL, AND THEN I'LL MAKE THE MOTION AND LIST BECAUSE LET'S SEE WHO THERE'S COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS TO AT FIRST. UM, IT'S TO APPROVE THE LINKING AGREEMENT WITH JAY BKE CONSTRUCTION INC. FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE WATER SYSTEM AND FOREST ROAD STREET IMPROVEMENTS FOR $3,741,285 AND 50 CENTS, SUBJECT TO CITY ATTORNEY APPROVAL, AND TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO MAKE BUDGET TRANSFERS FROM OTHER PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS WITH FY 27 AVAILABLE FUNDS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT STAFF WILL PRESENT AN MOU BETWEEN THE CITY AND ARIZONA WATER COMPANY TO COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL WITHIN 30 DAYS. ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK THAT COVERS IT. EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S MY MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. CUT OUT. OKAY, WE'RE DONE WITH THAT ITEM. NEXT, WE'LL GO TO [9.c. AB 3355 Discussion/possible action on the recommendations for the remaining Uptown Parking Strategy items: Parking Optimization, Employee Parking Strategy, and Residential Permit Parking Program.] OUR SECOND GARAGE ITEM AB 33 55, DISCUSS POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE REMAINING UPTOWN PARKING STRATEGY ITEMS, PARKING OR OPTIMIZATION, EMPLOYEE PARKING STRATEGY AND RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PARKING PROGRAM. UH, SO I HAVE ON MY NOTES HERE, GOOD AFTERNOON, BUT I'LL CHANGE THAT TO GOOD EVENING. . UM, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TODAY ON THE UPTOWN PARKING PROGRAM, UH, STRATEGIC RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE PROPOSED PARKING RATES. THE PRESENTATION HERE REFLECTS SEVERAL YEARS OF WORK, INCLUDING EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, PARKING WORK GROUP COLLABORATION, INCLUDING A MAJORITY 10 OUT OF 12 CONSENSUS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION I AM ABOUT TO, UH, PRESENT. AND, UH, WE ALSO HAVE THE, WE WILL BE PRESENTING THE PARKING FEES ITEM, UH, THAT YOU REVIEWED ON IN MAY, UH, REGARDING THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE, AS WELL AS OPEN LOT FEES. SO FIRST I'LL [02:10:01] BEGIN WITH THE UPTOWN PARKING STRATEGY, UH, AB 33 55. OUR FOCUS TODAY INCLUDES PARKING OPTIMIZATION, EMPLOYEE PARKING STRATEGIES, AND RESIDENT PERMIT PARKING READINESS. NOW, THAT'S THE WORD THAT I WANNA REALLY FOCUS ON IS THE WORD READINESS. IT IS NOT IMPLEMENTATION, IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT, UM, ENFORCEMENT. IT IS READINESS FOR THE RESIDENT PERMIT PARKING PROGRAM OR RESIDENT PERMIT PARKING READINESS PLAN. SO, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, LIKE I PREVIOUSLY JUST MENTIONED, UH, MAY 12TH, THERE WAS A COUNCIL MEETING WHERE APPROVED PARKING TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES WERE DONE, UH, BY COUNCIL, AND THEN THEY REVIEWED INITIALLY PARKING THE PARKING RATE FRAMEWORK. SINCE THEN, WE HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE PARKING WORKING GROUP, WITH STAFF AND OUR PARKING CONSULTANT TO FINALIZE RECOMMENDATIONS COVERING THE REMAINING STRATEGY COMPONENTS FOR THE EMPLOYEE PARKING AND RESIDENTIAL PARKING READINESS PLAN. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUTREACH AS WE EXPLORED WHAT AN EMPLOYEE PARKING PROGRAM AND A RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PARKING PROGRAM COULD LOOK LIKE. FOR UPTOWN, ONE OF OUR FIRST PRIORITIES WAS HEARING DIRECTLY FROM THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND WORK THERE TO DO THAT STAFF. AND OUR CONSULTANTS USED A VARIETY OF OUTREACH METHODS INCLUDING DIRECT MAIL, DOOR TO DOOR, THE UPTOWN TRANSIT CIRCULATOR VISIONING WORKSHOP, TWO PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES, A CITY TALK ARTICLE, AND EMPLOYER AND EMPLOYEE SURVEYS. ALL OF THIS FEEDBACK GAVE US MUCH CLEARER PICTURE OF UPTOWN'S PARKING NEEDS AND CONCERNS. IT DIRECTLY SHAPED THE RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PARKING FRAMEWORK AND GUIDE GUIDED ON HOW TO IMPLEMENT THE EMPLOYEE PARKING PROGRAM. SO EMPLOYEE PARKING HAS CONSISTENTLY BEEN IDENTIFIED AS ONE OF UPTOWN'S MOST SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES. UH, BEING NEW HERE, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I, I LEARNED VERY QUICKLY. THE LACK OF STRUCTURED EMPLOYEE PARKING INCREASES CIRCULATION, REDUCES VISITOR TURNOVER, AND CREATES CONGESTION. OUR PRIORITY IS ESTABLISHING A PRACTICAL, EQUITABLE AND SUSTAINABLE EMPLOYEE PARKING SYSTEM. THE EMPLOYEE PARKING STRATEGIES, THE EMPLOYEE, THE THE PARKING WORKING GROUPS EMPLOYEE PARKING COMMITTEE DEVELOP RECOMMENDATIONS IN THREE AREAS. ONE PARKING LOCATIONS, TWO PARKING PROGRAM COSTS, AND PROGRAM GOVERNANCE. THE PROGRAM IMPLEMENTATION WIDELY DEPENDS ON THE UPTOWN GARAGE OPENING AND FULL DEPLOYMENT OF THE PARKING TECHNOLOGY. ONCE OPERATIONAL, THE PLAN IS TO CONDUCT A SIX MONTH MONITORING AND EVALUATION PERIOD TO GATHER DATA, EVALUATE USAGE, AND MAKE APPROPRIATE ADJUSTMENTS. AS THIS PLAN IS FLUID GOING TO PARKING LOCATIONS, THE COMMITTEE IDENTIFIED APPROXIMATELY 205 TOTAL EMPLOYEE PARKING SPACES ACROSS UPTOWN. THIS NUMBER INCLUDES BOTH ENFORCEABLE AND NON ENFORCEABLE AREAS. THE NON ENFORCEABLE AREAS INCLUDE VANIER AND OMB. ENFORCEABLE AREAS INCLUDE MOUNTAIN DRIVE, LOT THREE, SACA, JOA LOT FOUR MATTERHORN, LOT FIVE, SEDONA MUNICIPAL, SEDONA MUNICIPAL LOT WILL ONLY BE 28 SPACES. THE MAJORITY OF THE LOT WILL STILL REMAIN VISITOR. THE ONLY SPACE THAT WILL BECOME EMPLOYED IS THE, I BELIEVE IT'S THE SOUTH CORNER OF THE LOT. SO THERE GONNA BE SIGNAGE THAT SAYS EMPLOYEE PARKING. ABSOLUTELY, YES, ALL THE SIGNAGE AND WAY FINDING WILL BE READILY FOR THAT PROGRAM PROGRAM. BUT ON THE INDIVIDUAL SPACES, NOT ON INDIVIDUAL SPACES BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT OF THE EMPLOYEE SECTION LOT SIX WAYSIDE AND PHILOS AND THE MORMON CHURCH, THESE LOCATIONS WERE SELECTED TO REDUCE COMPETITION WITH VISITORS IN THE HIGHEST DEMAND COMMERCIAL ZONE. SO EMPLOYEE, ARE YOU OKAY WITH US ASKING YOU QUESTIONS AS YOU GO ALONG? AS LONG AS I CAN ANSWER THEM. . SO EMPLOYEE PARKING CAPACITY IN TOTAL, THE EMPLOYEE PARKING PROGRAM INCLUDES ROUGHLY 205 SPACES. 35 OF THOSE SPACES ARE NOT ENFORCEABLE. [02:15:01] THE 25 ON VEN DARREN AND 10 ON O AND B 170 SPACES ARE ENFORCEABLE IN THE UPTOWN AREA, 104 OF THOSE SPACES ARE REALLOCATED SPACES FROM A PREVIOUS INVENTORY THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU ON MAY 12TH AND 72 ADDITIONAL ENFORCEABLE SPACES COMING TO YOU FROM DESIGNATED ON, ON STREET AND LEASED LOTS. IF VAN DARREN AND OMB BECOME UNAVAILABLE FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING, TOTAL ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY WOULD ADJUST TO 170 IN THE UPTOWN AREA BECAUSE WE ALSO ANTICIPATE 20 PARK AND RIDE SPACES THROUGH A REDUCED FAIR TRANSIT PASS PARTNERSHIP BRINGING THE TOTAL ENFORCEABLE SPOTS TO 190. SO KEERA, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY WE WOULD LOSE VANDEEN AND O AND B? THE REASON WE WOULD LOSE VANDER AND O AND B IS O AND B IS A VERY NARROW AREA. WE DO NOT OWN THE LOT THAT IS ADJACENT TO O AND B AND THERE IS NO POWER. THERE IS NO, UH, WAY OF US ENFORCING THAT AREA BECAUSE THERE'S NO UTILITIES WHATSOEVER. THERE WE LOOKED AT POSSIBILITIES OF TRENCHING. THE ONLY WAY TO TRENCH IS DIRECTLY FROM THE STREET ALL THE WAY OVER. AND SINCE IT'S ONLY 10 SPOTS THAT MADE IT, UH, THAT, THAT MADE IT NOT A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE DECISION. ANOTHER ITEM IS THAT WAYSIDE IS ALSO REQUIRING, 'CAUSE WE ARE IN LEASE TALKS WITH THEM, THEY'RE REQUIRING EIGHT SPOTS. SO OUR, MY, MY INITIAL PLAN IS TO PRESENT TO THE PARKING ADVISORY GROUP WHEN IT'S NEWLY FORMED TO SAY, WELL, LET'S GIVE THEM THE O AND B SPOTS TO THE CHURCH. WE'LL PUT SIGNAGE THAT SAYS CHURCH PARKING ONLY. AND THAT WAY WE DON'T LOSE EIGHT SPOTS FROM THE WAYSIDE PARKING LOT, THE VANDER AREA, UH, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF PARKING LOTS ALONG THAT AREA. UH, WE, UM, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO EXPLORE ENFORCEMENT OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE NOT ALL THE CARS ARE GONNA BE PASSING TO PARK ON THAT STREET. THE OPTIONS THAT WERE AVAILABLE, THAT THROUGH OUR CONTRACTORS, UH, ALSO INCLUDED CAMERAS, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS ALLOWED ON THAT AREA PER OUR OUR DATA RETENTION POLICY. SO THERE WILL BE NO CAMERAS ON VANDEEN, AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT IS FROM ZONE ONE IN THE RPP PROGRAM THAT I WILL BE EXPLAINING LATER. SO THAT IS A PROTECTED AREA FOR, UM, FOR A MONITORING. SO THAT, THAT'S WHY WE MAY BE LOSING THOSE AREAS. HOWEVER, WE CAN PUT SIGNAGE UP THAT SAYS EMPLOYEE ONLY, AND IF THE PERSON IS NOT REGISTERED AS AN EMPLOYEE, A POLICE OFFICER CAN COME BY, SCAN THE LICENSE PLATE, AND THEY CAN SEE IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO PARK THERE OR NOT. THOSE ARE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE STILL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT. I DO WANNA EXPLAIN. ONE THING IS THAT THE TOTAL INVENTORY SPACES OF 629 THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU ON MAY 12TH, THAT WAS THE INVENTORY OF PARKING SPACES. UH, IN THIS PLAN, WE WOULD ONLY BE USING 104 OF THOSE. THAT IS 16% OF THE TOTAL INVENTORY SPOTS. SO WE ARE BEING VERY CONSERVATIVE WITH WHAT WE ARE TAKING FROM THE INVENTORIED AREA, UH, TO PROVIDE PARKING FOR EMPLOYEES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STILL HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING FOR OUR VISITORS. AND THOSE 72 NEW ENFORCEABLE SPACES ARE PHILOS, THE MORMON CHURCH AND OUR PARK AND RIDE. SO HOW DO, HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET FROM THE MORMON CHURCH? PHILOS AND OUR PARKING RIDE? SOOS IS IN THE UPTOWN AREA RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. THEY'D HAVE TO WALK, UH, THROUGH THE MORMON CHURCH. UH, IT WOULD BE A WALK, BUT, UH, RIGHT NOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WALKING PRETTY FAR. SOME OF OUR PARKING WORK GROUP MEMBERS DID MENTION THAT THEY ARE WALKING ABOUT A MILE TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO WORK. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE SOUGHT, UH, PARKING WHERE PARKING WAS AVAILABLE. AND THOSE, UM, ARE THERE AGREEMENTS WITH THOSE LOCATIONS YET THOSE, NONE OF THE, NONE OF THE LEASES HAVE BEEN RENEWED AND NO AGREEMENTS HAVE BEEN SET FORTH UNTIL THIS PLAN IS, UH, APPROVED. OTHERWISE, WE'RE STUCK INTO THAT LEASE. WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A LEASE WITH PHILOS OR THE MANAGER, BUT I MEAN, NO, WE HAVE, WE HAVE BEGIN, WE HAVE BEGUN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BERTOS AND THEY ARE INTERESTED. OKAY. SO, UH, THESE CONVERSATIONS HAVE STARTED, HOWEVER, UH, FORMAL WRITTEN RIGHT, ANYTHING FORMALLY WRITTEN IS NOT RIGHT. AND, AND IN [02:20:01] AGREEMENT WITH COTTONWOOD TO HAVE A REDUCED RATE FOR SEDONA ONLY, THAT IS ALSO A CONVERSATION WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE WITH COTTONWOOD AND ADJUST OUR IGA. OKAY. SO I'M, TO ME, THEY'RE, THOSE ARE LITTLE SQUISHY NUMBERS, BUT ABSOLUTELY. BUT THIS IS ALSO JUST A FRAMEWORK FOR US TO BE ABLE TO, UH, START THE DEVELOPMENT AND ALL THE ADMINISTRATION FUNCTIONS THAT ENTIT THAT COME WITH THE EMPLOYEE PARKING PROGRAM. SO WHEN WOULD YOU EXPECT THOSE LEASES TO BE COMPLETED? UH, IF WE GET APPROVAL TONIGHT, MY NEXT STEPS ARE TO SUMMARIZE THIS, UH, GET MY PARKING, SEND IT TO MY PARKING ADVI, OR SEND IT TO THE PARKING WORK GROUP, THANK THEM FOR EVERYTHING. AND THEN START THE PROCESS. THE PROCESSES INCLUDE GETTING THE LEASES, START THOSE CONVERSATIONS, UH, GETTING ALL THE PARTIES INVOLVED TO GET A LEASE. 'CAUSE I STILL HAVE TO LEARN THE PROCESSES HERE. SO GET ALL THE PARTIES THAT NEED TO FOR ME TO GET A LEASE EXECUTED AS WELL AS, UH, BRING THE TECHNOLOGY THAT IS NEEDED FOR THIS EMPLOYEE EMPLOYEE PARKING PROGRAM. BECAUSE THIS EMPLOYEE PARKING PROGRAM WAS NOT PART OF THE INITIAL, UH, CONTRACT. SO THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL, UM, COST TO THE CONTRACTOR. SO I'D HAVE TO BRING THAT BACK TO COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SETTING A, A, YOU KNOW, A PRICE FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COSTS ARE COMPLETELY IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY LEASES. WELL, THAT IS TRUE, BUT THE LEASES ARE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GET IF YOU WERE GETTING THE LOTS ANYWAY. SO IT IS, IT IS A COST THAT WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS TIME. AS SOON AS I GET THIS INFORMATION, AS SOON AS I GET PRICING, YOU WILL BE UPDATED IMMEDIATELY. AND SO WILL THE PARKING ADVISORY GROUP. THIS IS, LIKE I SAID, THIS PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE FLUID BECAUSE IT HAS SO MANY MOVING PARTS. I, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO JUMP IN REAL QUICK AND JUST SPEAK TO THE COM UH, COMPLICATION THAT WE HAVE IN THIS ENTIRE PROGRAM NEEDED TO BE BUILT IN A FLEXIBLE WAY. UM, BEFORE WE HAVE APPROVAL FROM COUNCIL OR DIRECTION, WE CAN'T GO OUT AND FORM NEW LEASE AGREEMENTS TO, TO BE USED FOR A NEW PROGRAM THAT'S NOT EVEN BUILT YET. SO IT'S JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER THING ON THIS PROGRAM THAT WE'VE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF ESTIMATION AND APPROXIMATION THAT'S NEEDED TO BE MADE. ONCE THE PROGRAM'S IMPLEMENTED AND UNDERWAY. WE BEGIN TO COLLECT DATA AND THEN REFINE THE PROGRAM AS WE GO. BUT WE HAVE TO START IT SOMEWHERE. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. I CAN APPRECIATE THAT, BUT LET'S JUST TAKE A SCENARIO WHERE YOU'RE CHARGING $2 AN HOUR AND IT'S COSTING YOU $5 AN HOUR. 'CAUSE THE LEASE IS GREATER. I MEAN, $2 A DAY. WELL, A DAY. OKAY. SO, BUT WHERE, SO, AND THERE'S AN ESTIMATE OF REVENUE TO PAY FOR. JUST, JUST TO ADD TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IS WE NEED TO RENEW LEASES. 'CAUSE WE ARE, ALL OF OUR LEASES HAVE HAVE EXPIRED. WE NEED TO RENEW MATTERHORN, WE NEED TO RENEW WAYSIDE. WE NEED TO RENEW SAKA. THEY'RE WAITING FOR OUR RESPONSIVE IF THIS PARKING GROUP MOVES FORWARD TO BE PART OF THE PROGRAM. THIS IS ALSO WHY WE SPEAK TO THE BIG PICTURE. IF THERE IS A SUBSIDY NEEDED. WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED FOR THIS PROGRAM IS THAT THAT WOULD COME FROM THE OVERALL PARKING REVENUE. SO THE OVERALL PARKING PROGRAM WOULD COVER THAT NEED FOR THIS PIECE OF THE PROGRAM BEING EMPLOYEE PARKING. SO WE'VE MADE THE BEST ESTIMATIONS THAT WE CAN MAKE TO GIVE COUNCIL THE FRAMEWORK TO CONSIDER FOR, FOR FURTHER BUILDING THIS OUT. THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO. SO THE EMPLOYEE PARKING KEY RECOMMENDATIONS. THE PROGRAM, THE PROGRAM USES A TIERED APPROACH TO INSTALL AND ACTIVATE PARKING TECHNOLOGY TO CONDUCT A SIX MONTH MONITORING AND DATA COLLECTION, EVALUATE PARKING UTILIZATION, EMPLOYEE PARTICIPATION, POTENTIAL REVENUE PERFORMANCE AND IMPACT ON VISITOR PARKING. MAKE ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON ACTUAL DEMAND ON EACH LOCATION. THE EMPLOYEE PARKING PROGRAM PROVIDES FREE PARKING FOR CARPOOLS AND $2 FOR SINGLE DAY OCCUPANCY VEHICLES AND $25 MONTHLY PASS CONSISTENT WITH THE WORK GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS. [02:25:02] THE PROGRAM ESTIMATED ANNUAL COST IS CURRENTLY AT 96,000. HOWEVER, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE GILBERTO'S LEASE AND THE WARMAN LEASE AND THE RENEWAL OF THE NEW LEASES, IF THOSE LEASE PRICES DO CHANGE 'CAUSE EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP. SO, UH, I'M ALSO ANTICIPATING A REVENUE OF $62,000 FROM FEES. AND THAT DOES THAT, THAT OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A GAP THERE, WHICH WOULD BE COVERED BY THE WHOLE UMBRELLA OF THE PARKING PROGRAM. THIS DOES INCLUDE MAINTENANCE OF OUR EXISTING LOTS AS WELL. PROGRAM GOVERNANCE. THE PROPOSED GOVERNANCE MODEL INCLUDES QUARTERLY MEETINGS AND A $25 ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP FEE FOR PARTICIPATION IN THE NEWLY FORMED PARKING ADVISORY GROUP, WHICH REPLACES THE PARKING WORK GROUP. THE FEE SUPPORTS ADMINISTRATIVE NEEDS AND PERFORMS AND PROMOTES ACTIVE COMMITTED STAKEHOLDER PARTICIPATION. THE PARKING ADVISORY GROUP WILL ALSO FOCUS PART WILL PROVIDE FOCUS PARTICIPATION ACROSS BOTH EMPLOYEE PARKING AND THE RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PARKING READINESS PLAN, ENSURING STRUCTURED COLLABORATION BETWEEN BUSINESSES, RESIDENTS, AND EMPLOYEES. ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE EMPLOYEE PARKING PROGRAM THAT CHARLOTTE, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF THE, UH, WE'VE DISCUSSED IT, BUT I'M STILL NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF THE $25 GOVERNANCE GROUP, TOLL TAX OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, THAT WAS AN ANNUAL, I GUESS YOU COULD CALL IT AN ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP FEE. UH, THAT FEE WAS TO BE, UM, PART OF THE ADVISORY GROUP. SO WE ENSURE PARTICIPATION, WE ENSURE, UH, ACTIVE PARTICIPATION AND WE, UH, HAVE COMMITTED STAKEHOLDER. UM, WE HAVE COMMITTED STAKEHOLDER PARTICIPATION. SO WHAT THAT DOES IS, IN THE PARKING WORKING GROUP MENTIONED THAT IF IT'S FREE, NO ONE'S GONNA SHOW UP. IF THEY HAVE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME, THERE'LL BE A PARTICIPANT IN IT. CAN I JUMP IN REAL QUICK? YES. SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR THE COMMENT PART THEN. CAN I, I, I HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO THAT THOUGH, BUT CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING REAL QUICK? SO I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY STAFF INSISTED ON. THIS WAS A RECOMMENDATION BY THE OVERALL WORK GROUP. UM, THERE WAS A NEED TO HAVE BUY-IN FROM FOLKS THAT ARE ENGAGED IN THIS EFFORT. AND THEIR FEELING WAS THAT BY HAVING SOME NOMINAL FEE, IT GIVES SOME SKIN IN THE GAME AND SOME LEVEL OF, UH, HIGHER LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT BY THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN INVOLVED IN IT. OKAY. CAN I FOLLOW UP TO THAT? WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T PAY THE $25? WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE REPERCUSSION? WHAT DO YOU NOT GET TO DO? I MEAN, IN TERMS OF, I, I THINK THE FEELING WAS THAT BY AT LEAST HAVING SOME LEVEL OF FEE, THAT THERE'S SOME CONTROL OVER WHO'S IN THE GROUP AND WHO'S NOT. THAT IT'S NOT JUST OPEN-ENDED TO EVERYONE. UM, THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT WE HAVE MEMBERSHIP THAT, THAT THE GROUP HAS MEMBERSHIP THAT'S JUST NOT ACTIVE AND NOT HELPFUL. THEY ONLY SHOW UP, UM, WHEN NOT NEEDED, BASICALLY. WELL, YOU COULD PAY $25 AND STILL NOT SHOW UP. YOU COULD CORRECT. YOU COULD. I I I'M ONLY REPORTING ON WHAT THE GROUP DISCUSSED, THAT, THAT THE FEE WAS FELT TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD ENTICE A HIGHER LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT. BUT, AND IF YOU'RE, IF YOU DON'T PAY THE $25 THOUGH, YOU STILL HAVE TO BE LISTENED TO. I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE IN A PUBLIC BODY THAT NEEDS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S SETTING UP THAT THERE'S A LEVEL OF DISCOURSE OR ENGAGEMENT THAT WOULDN'T BE AFFORDED TO EVERY CITIZEN. IT'S PAID. IT WOULD BE, I KNOW IT'S HARD TO, IT'S NOT A STAFF RECOMMENDATION, SO IT'S HARD FOR STAFF TO DEFEND IT, BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT. IT WOULD BE, SO I WOULD ALSO THROW OUT, LET ME SAY ONE MORE THING REAL QUICK. I WOULD ALSO THROW OUT THAT WE DID HAVE COUNSELOR, UM, INVOLVEMENT IN THESE WORK GROUPS. AND I, I WOULD THINK THAT THERE COULD BE AN OPINION [02:30:01] THROWN FROM THAT DIRECTION AS WELL, BECAUSE THERE WAS OVERSIGHT AND INVOLVEMENT IN THIS GROUP FROM THEM. I KNOW ONE OF THOSE MEMBERS IS NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT I WOULD JUST THROW THAT OUT. IT'S NOT JUST STAFF THAT'S THAT'S INVOLVED IN THIS. I'M NOT SURE I'M GONNA BE HELPFUL TO YOUR CAUSE ON THIS IT'S TO REITERATE, IT'S NOT MY CAUSE. OKAY. SO I HAVE, I MEAN, I'M LITERALLY JOTTING DOWN MY THOUGHTS RIGHT NOW ABOUT WHAT I THINK MIGHT BE BETTER FOR DISCUSSION. SO, UM, BUT AS YOU KNOW, LIKE MY PARTICIPATION IN THE GROUP IS MORE OF OBSERVATIONAL AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO STEER ANY CONVERSATION OR WHERE THE GROUP WAS LEADING TOWARDS, BECAUSE THAT REALLY NEEDED TO BE THE GROUP DOING SO. SO, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ASKING IS HELP TO REITERATE WHAT THE GROUP DISCUSSED AND WHAT THEY FELT. YEAH, YEAH, FOR SURE. REPRESENT THE GROUP FOR SURE. OKAY. WELL, IT'S, I I I, I DO WANNA ALSO MENTION THAT THE $25 ALSO MAKES, TRIES, TRIES TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE THAT HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME ARE THE ONES THAT WANT TO PARTICIPATE. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT ARE EMPLOYEES, PEOPLE THAT ARE EMPLOYERS, RESIDENTS, RESIDENTS IN THE AREA. YOU KNOW WHAT, LIKE IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY IN, IN, IN THE OUTSKIRTS, UM, PARTICIPATING IN A PROGRAM AND MAKING DECISIONS, UM, THAT AFFECT PEOPLE OR RECOMMENDING DECISIONS THAT AFFECT PEOPLE IN AN AREA THAT THEY'RE NOT AFFECTED. THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY, THEY MENTIONED THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS, IT WAS IN THE AREAS THAT, UH, IN THE UPTOWN AREA. I, I'M GONNA, AGAIN, I KNOW, UM, VICE MAYOR THAT YOU ARE, THINK THIS IS A COMMENT MORE APPROPRIATE FOR COMMENTS, BUT IT'S A QUESTION I STILL AM TRYING, STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND THE $25. SO I AM ASKING IF YOU COULD GIVE SOME MORE INSIGHT, BECAUSE I THINK NO MATTER WHERE SOMEBODY LIVES, YOU KNOW, IN THE CITY AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY KIND OF PARKING UP THERE, THEY HAVE JUST AS MUCH RIGHT. AS ANYONE ELSE. SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE THINKING MORE SO THAT I CAN GRAPPLE WITH HOW I'M DEALING WITH THIS IN MY MIND, I THINK ANDY HAS VERY WELL DESCRIBED WHAT THE THINKING WAS THAT BY VIRTUE OF HAVING SOME SKIN IN THE GAME, YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO BE AN ACTIVE AND POSITIVE PARTICIPANT. I MEAN, I, TO ME, IT'S THAT SIMPLE. WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT OR NOT, OF COURSE, IS SEPARATE MATTER. BUT THAT I BELIEVE IS WHAT THE INTENT WAS, WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, HEY, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WHOEVER WANTS TO BE PART OF IT, UM, IS GOING TO BE ACTIVELY INVOLVED. I THINK THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY A GAP WHERE WHAT YOU'RE OBSERVING, UH, COUNSELOR THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A CITY DRIVEN GROUP, THEN CREATING MEANS OF EXCLUSION DOESN'T SOUND GREAT, RIGHT? UM, INITIALLY THIS, INITIALLY THE EMPLOYEE PARKING WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A, LIKE, LIKE THE GROUP ORIGINALLY WAS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW WHAT, CITI JUST SHOULDN'T EVEN BE THE LEAD ON THIS. AND IF THIS WAS A, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY DRIVEN ORGANIZATION GOING FORWARD, THEN WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO IS WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO. AND IF THEY WANT TO CHARGE FEES, THEN, YOU KNOW, SURE THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE IT'S AT RIGHT NOW. IT STILL IS IN THE CAMP OF ALL THE CITY IS ESSENTIALLY FACILITATING THE GROUP. AND SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR STRUGGLE IS. YOUR CONTEXT WAS HELPFUL, THANK YOU. OH, OKAY. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. IT'S NOT ON THIS TOPIC, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BLOW UP THE WHOLE, ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE BY THE GROUP OR ANYTHING. I WAS SURPRISED WHEN THIS THESE RECOMMENDATIONS CAME OUT THAT THERE WAS NO USE OF THE PARKING GARAGE FOR EMPLOYEES INSTEAD, IT'S JUST, IT'S VARIOUS SURFACE LOTS. AND I THOUGHT THAT ONE OF THE, AND AT ONE POINT IN THE LONG HISTORY OF THIS PARKING GARAGE AND LOCATION AND THE WHOLE THING, THE IDEA WAS CONSOLIDATION AND WE WERE GOING TO BE GETTING RID OF LOTS BECAUSE WE WERE OPENING A GARAGE. UM, ASIDE FROM THE WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S GONNA GO ON JORDAN, I MEAN, WE, WHICH IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE ISSUE. ARE WE, IF WE'RE GONNA START USING THE EMPLOYEE LOTS STRICTLY, WELL NOT STRICTLY, BUT PARTIALLY FOR EMPLOYEES, HOW ARE WE MOVING OR ARE WE INDEED MOVING ANYMORE TOWARDS CONSOLIDATION? SO, AND THAT'S A HISTORY QUESTION THAT YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR, BUT, BUT I [02:35:01] DID DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH, SO I'LL TAKE A STAB AT IT. UM, WE, IN THE PARKING GARAGE, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT, UH, THERE NEEDS, IT NEEDS TO BE PAID FOR, THERE NEEDS TO BE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS AGREED UPON. UH, THOSE FEES ARE NOT, THOSE FEES WERE SET, THOSE FEES WERE NOT WHAT THE WORK GROUP WANTED. THEY DIDN'T WANT THOSE, THAT LEVEL OF FEES. THEREFORE, THE EMPLOYEE PARKING WAS NOT IN THE GARAGE. ON A SECOND LEVEL IS THAT EMPLOYER EMPLOYEES COME, THEY GO AND THEY PARK. THAT IS NOT A CIRCULATION. UM, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE, UH, THAT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS, THAT PEOPLE ARE PARKING, REMOVE PEOPLE FROM THE CIRCULATION ASPECT OF IT. SO EMPLOYEES WOULD HAVE A PLACE TO PARK. THEY KNOW WHERE TO GO TO PARK AND THEY'RE OFF THE STREET. SO THEY'RE NOT CONSTANTLY LOOKING OR ARRIVING 30 MINUTES EARLIER TO FIND A SPOT. SO THAT, THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE KEY ASPECTS OF IT. SO, O ONE MORE THING, UM, TO CLARIFY FROM YOUR QUESTIONS. SO IS CONSOLIDATION STILL OCCURRING? THE ANSWER IS YES. AND SOME OF THAT'S OCCURRING ON ITS OWN. SO IF YOU LOOK AT HISTORICALLY, THE PUBLIC PARKING LOTS THAT WE'VE HAD IN UPTOWN, SOME OF THOSE LEASES HAVE NOT REVIEWED, RENEWED, AND THOSE HAVE GONE TO FEE PARKING. AND ITS PRIVATE NOW. SO THE CITY CAN'T CONTROL THAT. WE CAN'T FORCE FOLKS TO SIGN UP, UH, SIGN A NEW LEASE OR RENEW. UM, SO SOME OF IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING. AND, AND WE UNDERSTAND FROM TALKING TO BUSINESSES THAT OWN PARKING THEMSELVES THAT THEY INTEND TO TAKE THAT FURTHER. SO THERE ARE OTHER BUSINESSES OUT THERE THAT HAVE NOT STARTED CHARGING FEES YET THAT INTEND TO, AND THEY'RE JUST WAITING FOR THIS PROGRAM TO BE IMPLEMENTED OUTSIDE OF WHAT THIS IS, OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE CITY IS DOING. SO WE DO, WE DO INTEND TO CONSOLIDATE AND PUT PARKING WHERE WE WANT IT TO, BUT SOME OF THAT CHANGE OVER FROM PUBLIC PARKING TO PRIVATE IS ALREADY OCCURRING. MM-HMM . SO THE, THE FREEING UP OF, UM, PUBLIC PARKING TO BE USED FOR SOME HIGHER AND BETTER USE, LET'S SAY WORKER HOUSING OR WHATEVER, UM, PROBABLY IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN. WELL, IT IT TO BE DETERMINED. UM, SOME OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN IS SOME OF THESE PRIVATE ENTITIES TAKE THEIR PARKING LOT, START TO CHARGE FEE FOR IT, AND REALIZE THAT DEVELOPMENT OF THAT LOT IS ACTUALLY A HIGHER AND BETTER USE. SO, UM, IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET, BUT, UM, I I DON'T THINK IT'D BE A SURPRISE IF IT DID. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MONIQUE. WHY IS IT LEGAL OR DOES IT NOT IMPACT THE GIFT CLAUSE TO HAVE FREE PARKING FOR, FOR, UM, EMPLOYEES WHO CHOOSE TO, UH, HAVE, UH, OTHER CAR, YOU KNOW, CAR, CAR SHARING? EXCUSE ME. WHY IS THAT? DOES IT AFFECT THE GIFT CLAUSE? BUT IF WE CHOSE NOT TO HAVE EMPLOYEES PAY FOR PARKING, THAT DOES, UH, MAYOR KURT HAS, UH, PREVIOUSLY ADVISED THAT, UH, FREE OR SUBSIDIZED PARKING, UH, IT IS A GIFT CLAUSE CONCERN. SAY THAT AGAIN? UH, OFFERING, UH, FREE OR SUBSIDIZED EMPLOYEE PARKING IS A GIFT CLAUSE CONCERN. SO WHY IS IT NOT A CONCERN IF THEY'RE DOING RIDE SHARING? CAN I, CAN I JUMP IN THERE MONIQUE? 'CAUSE I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH KURT, UH, ABOUT THIS SPECIFICALLY BEFORE HE LEFT. THE THING ABOUT CARPOOLING IS THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO GET THE BENEFIT OF TWO, TWO PASSENGERS IN ONE VEHICLE, IN ONE PARKING SPACE. SO WE'RE LEVERAGING, UH, CAPACITY OUTSIDE THE OUTSIDE OF WHAT'S BUILT SO THAT FOR CARPOOLING, THAT'S A BENEFIT. AND OUR PARK AND RIDES SCENARIO IS ALSO A BENEFIT BECAUSE WE'RE LEVERAGING PARKING, BUILT PARKING OUTSIDE OF UPTOWN. SO THAT PROVIDES A VALUE TO A REAL VALUE TO OUR WHOLE PARKING PROGRAM BY INCENTIVIZING THE CARPOOLING. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. IS IS THAT A SPECIFIC GIFT CLAUSE EXCEPTION? WELL, IN MY DISCUSSION WITH KURT, HE FELT THAT THAT VALUE THAT I EXPRESSED SATISFIED HIS CONCERN WITH GIFT CLAUSE ISSUES [02:40:04] DOESN'T SATISFY YOUR CONCERN. YEAH. YOU'RE OUR ATTORNEY NOW, . WELL, THERE'S, UH, TWO, TWO PRONGS OF THE GIFT CLAUSE. ONE, IS IT A PUBLIC PURPOSE? B IS THE CITY GETTING, UM, BACK, UH, YOU KNOW, IN SOME PROPORTIONALITY WHAT WE PROVIDE AND ARE WE PROVIDING A GIFT OR SUBSIDIZING, UH, SOMEBODY. SO I MEAN, THAT, THOSE, THAT'S THE CRITERIA THAT YOU LOOK AT. SO I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH KURT. UM, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE THE, IS IT A PUBLIC BENEFIT, YES OR NO? IS THE CITY GETTING BACK, UH, ROUGHLY WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING, BUT IF, UH, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS THIS OFFLINE OR ANOTHER DAY OR IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. BUT, UM, OKAY. I WILL SHIFT TO THE RESIDENT PERMIT PARK AND READINESS. OUR GOAL HERE IS TO ENSURE UPTOWN'S NEIGHBORHOODS REMAIN LIVABLE, SAFE, AND PROTECTED FROM SPILLOVER PARKING ONCE THE UPTOWN GARAGE OPENS. THE AREA THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS NORTH OF SHELBY, SOUTH OF FOREST, I'M SORRY, NORTH OF SHELBY, SOUTH OF FOREST, EAST OF VAN DAREN AND PRICE ROAD AND WEST OF SMITH. THIS IS CONSIDERED ZONE ONE, AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHERE VANDEEN. CAN I CLARIFY REAL QUICK FOR YOU? I THINK WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY IS ON THE NORTH END, IT'S BOUND BY SCHVEY SOUTH END, IT'S BOUND BY, UH, FOREST EAST SIDE. IT'S BOUND BY VANDER AND PRICE WEST SIDE. THE BOUNDARY IS AT SMITH. YES, YES. THANK YOU. ANDY . OKAY. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. UM, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, VAN DAREN, UH, THERE CLOSE TO THE Y OR TO THE LEFT OF THE Y IS THE AREA OF THE PARKING SPOT THAT I WAS MENTIONING FOR THE EMPLOYEE PARKING. OUR P THE RPP PROGRAM FOCUSES ON PRESERVING RESIDENTIAL PARKING AVAILABILITY, PROTECTING EMERGENCY ACCESS, SAFEGUARDING PRIVACY, AND USING DATA TO REFINE THE PROGRAM OVER TIME. THESE GUIDING PRINCIPLES MIRROR THOSE EX THOSE IN EXHIBIT B AND ALIGN WITH THE WORK GROUP'S LETTER OF SUPPORT. THE READINESS ACTIVITIES INCLUDE SIGNAGE, CODE, COMPLIANCE, STRIPING AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS. THE UPTOWN GARAGE OPENING, CONFIGURE AND TEST TESTING, THE PERMIT MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE, REGISTERING RESIDENCE VEHICLES WITH THE PARKING TECHNOLOGY DATABASE. AND WE CONTINUE MONITORING PARKING CONDITIONS AFTER THE GARAGE OPENS FOR A MINIMUM OF SIX MONTHS. THESE STEPS ALLOW THE CITY TO BE READY TO ENFORCE A PARKING PERMIT, PARKING AREA IF PARKING CONDITIONS SHOW IT'S NEEDED. VIDEO CAMERA MONITORING IS NOT PART OF THIS PROGRAM AT ALL. HOW WILL YOU BE MONITORING IT THEN? THROUGH A PERMIT PERMIT PROGRAM THAT THEY WILL BE REGISTERING THEIR VEHICLES, BUT, BUT THEN HOW IS THAT ACTUALLY MONITORED? THE TRAFFIC AIDS WOULD BE GOING BY WITH READERS OR, YES. OKAY. THE IMPLEMENTATION TRIGGERS ARE AS FOLLOWS. NOW, THESE ARE TRIGGERS THAT COULD HAPPEN THAT WOULD TRIGGER US TO COME TO COUNCIL TO RECOMMEND IMPLEMENTING THE PERMIT PARKING PROGRAM. THIS IS NOT PART OF THE READINESS PLAN. THIS IS PART OF WHAT TRIGGERS FOR IT TO BE A PROGRAM. SO EMERGENCY ACCESS OR PUBLIC SAFETY IS COMPROMISED, SUCH AS FIRE DEPARTMENTS OR AMBULANCES ARE UNABLE TO GET INTO THE AREA BECAUSE IT'S OVERFLOWED WITH PARKING ON BOTH AREAS. UPTOWN, PARKING GARAGE, SPILLOVER. SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE PARKING IN THAT AREA THAT SHOULDN'T BE PARKING, UH, RESIDENT FEEDBACK IN THE AREA THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING THAT'S HAPPENING THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE THERE. UM, PARKING USE AND OCCUPANCY DATA. SO WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE REGISTERED, UH, HOW MANY CITATIONS ARE ISSUED, UH, ITEMS LIKE THAT IN THE AREA. AND THEN THE WORK GROUP RECOMMENDATION WHEN WE BRING THIS INFORMATION OVER TO THEM, IF THEY RECOMMEND US TO GO TO COUNCIL TO RECOMMEND IMPLEMENTING THIS PROGRAM AND THEN COUNCIL AND DIRECT CITY COUNCIL DIRECTION. [02:45:02] SO WOULD IT TAKE ONLY ONE OF THESE POINTS TO TRIGGER IT OR A COMBINATION OF THEM OR ALL OF THEM? OR JUST ALL OF THE ABOVE? ALL OF THE ABOVE WOULD HAVE TO BE MET. NO, NO. WELL, EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID, ALL OF THE ABOVE INDIVIDUALLY, ANY ONE OF THESE TRIGGERS, IT COULD BE ONE OF THEM. FOR EXAMPLE, EMERGENCY ACCESS. IF EMERGENCY ACCESS BECOMES A REALLY BIG PROBLEM GETTING INTO THE AREA, WE WOULD COME DIRECTLY TO CITY COUNCIL AND LET YOU KNOW OF THE BIG PROBLEM AND OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT. SO IT DEPENDS ON THE GRAVITY OF IT. IT COULD BE RESIDENT FEEDBACK AND THE PARKING WORKING GROUP RECOMMENDATION AND, AND THE OCCUPANCY DATA. AND THEN WE WOULD COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND, AND, AND DO THIS RECOMMENDATION. SO IT COULD, IT COULD BE ALL OF THEM, OR IT COULD BE SOME OF THEM DEPENDING ON THE GRAVITY OF WHAT IS OCCURRING. BUT THESE ARE TRIGGERS. IT'S NOT GONNA BE RESIDENT FEEDBACK ALONE. IT WOULD, IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE SEVERITY, RIGHT? SO THESE ARE TRIGGERS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE OBSERVING AND KEEPING TRACK OF. AND IF STAFF FEELS LIKE THIS IS AT A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO REPORT TO COUNCIL, WE WILL DO SO AND SAY, HEY, IT'S TIME TO IMPLEMENT THIS AS A RECOMMENDATION. SO IF, SO, IF RESIDENT FEEDBACK AND PARKING USE AND OCCUPANCY DATA JUST FOR TWO EXAMPLES OF THIS ARE GOING TO BE ANALYZED AND THEN BROUGHT FORWARD TO COUNCIL, THEN THEY'RE NOT REALLY TRIGGERS. THAT'S JUST REPORTING THE TRIGGERS WOULD BE A WOULD AGREE. EMERGENCY ACCESS OR PUBLIC SAFETY IS COMPROMISED, OBVIOUSLY, OR CITY COUNCIL DIRECTION OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S MORE DEFINITE. I MEAN, THESE ARE KIND OF VAGUE AND LOOK MORE OBSERVATIONAL FOR DATA TO BE PRESENTED THAN AN ACTUAL TRIGGER. AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE MEAN BY IT, IS THAT WHEN THEY'RE TRIGGERS, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA COME TO COUNCIL WITH AND SAY, IT'S TIME TO IMPLEMENT THIS AS A RECOMMENDATION. DO YOU SUPPORT THAT? WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO PRE-APPROVE THINGS THAT ALLOW US AS STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM. THESE ARE TRIGGERS THAT, UH, STAFF TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. A BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, IT'S OBSERVATIONAL. IF YOU DON'T HAVE TRAFFIC AIDS THERE, I MEAN CONSTANTLY. YOU'RE NOT GONNA KNOW. PEOPLE DON'T. WELL, SO WE DEALT WITH THIS LAST SPRING, RIGHT? WHERE SMITH, WE ENDED UP SHUTTING DOWN THE ROAD TO PARKING. AND WE DID THAT ON A TEMPORARY BASIS WHERE WE BROUGHT IN BARRICADES AND TRAFFIC CONTROL AND WE IMPLEMENTED THAT BECAUSE IT WAS AN UNSAFE CONDITION DUE TO THE LEVEL OF PARKING. THAT'S WHAT I'M DESCRIBING. THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DO IN THIS SITUATION AGAIN AND SAY, THIS IS UNSUSTAINABLE COUNSEL, WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT TO GO AHEAD AND IMPLEMENT THIS PROGRAM. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SPEAKING TO. ARE THERE MORE TRIGGERS THAT, OR DIFFERENT TRIGGERS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE? SO ANDY, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, OR GUILLERMO, WHEN ARE WE GONNA BE READY TO BE READY? I'M THINKING ABOUT THESE TRIGGERS AND LET'S NOT THINK ABOUT THE TRIGGERS. THE TRIGGERS. NO, I'M NOT, NO, NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ASKING ABOUT ANY SPECIFIC. OKAY. IF ONE OF THE TRIGGERS OR TWO OF THE TRIGGERS OR THREE OF THE TRIGGERS WERE TRIPPED, HOW QUICKLY CAN YOU IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE GETTING READY TO IMPLEMENT THAT? THAT WOULD BE VERY QUICKLY. LIKE WHEN I SAY VERY, IT'S I COME TO YOU, YOU SAY YES, AND WE TELL OUR, OUR PARKING ENFORCEMENT AND IT'S ON, UH, WE HAVE TO, BECAUSE ONE OF THE ITEMS HERE THAT WE HAVE IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE SIGNAGE. WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THERE'S CODE COMPLIANCE, STRIPING SITE IMPROVEMENTS. SO THERE'S GONNA BE SIGNAGE. SO IT'S KIND OF GONNA BE AN AREA THAT HAS SIGNS THAT SAYS THIS IS A RESIDENT ONLY PARKING AREA. VISITORS ARE SUPPOSED TO PARK IN THE DESIGNATED VISITOR SPOTS AND EMPLOYEES ARE SUPPOSED TO PARK IN EMPLOYEE SPOTS. SO IF THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING EVERYTHING READY IN CASE WE NEED TO DO THAT. BECAUSE IF NOT, THIS PART RIGHT HERE OF THE PRIOR TO IMPLEMENTATION IS WHAT'S GONNA TAKE A LONG TIME. THAT'LL TAKE A FEW MONTHS. WILL THE, WILL THE, UH, RESIDENT REGISTRATION. I CAN IMAGINE THAT THAT COULD TAKE A LONG TIME. ABSOLUTELY. YOU'RE GONNA WANNA GIVE SOME NOTICE AND TIME FOR IT, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. I'M KIND OF WONDERING HOW FAST IT, AND, AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT WE, WE DID ANTICIPATE IS THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED BY COUNSEL, WE ARE, I AM ALREADY WORKING WITH OUR GIMME ONE SECOND. SO [02:50:01] IF, IF THIS IS APPROVED, WE ARE GOING TO IMMEDIATELY START WORKING ON AN OUTREACH PLAN FOR EMPLOYEES, EMPLOYERS, AND RESIDENTS. UH, WE HAVE OUR MARKETING AND COMMUNICATIONS TEAM ON STANDBY, AND IT'LL BE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT THEY'LL START WORKING ON TO GET THAT PLAN GOING SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON. REGISTERING PEOPLE IS NOT MANDATORY TO BE INTO IN THE RBP AREA. 'CAUSE REMEMBER RBP IS ONLY FOR STREET PARKING. IT IS NOT FOR YOUR DRIVEWAY OR EVEN IN FRONT OF YOUR DRIVEWAY. IT IS FOR LEGAL PARKING THAT IS CODE COMPLIANT. SO IF THEY DECIDE THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO BE REGISTERED, THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DID. THANK YOU. EXCELLENT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROGRAM? YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF CHICKEN AND EGG HERE FOR ME, BUT I THINK OF ALL THESE THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN, AND BASICALLY IT SOUNDS LIKE THE GARAGE HAS TO BE FINISHED BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE REALLY CAN START. BUT IT, I KNOW 'CAUSE I LIVE IN UPTOWN, EMPLOYEES PARK ON IN THAT ZONE, ONE ON THOSE STREETS, AND UNTIL THEY NEED TO PARK SOMEWHERE ELSE AND PAY $2 A DAY, THEY WILL PAY $0 A DAY AND CONTINUE TO CLOG UP THE STREETS. SO I I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH THAT COMMENT WHATSOEVER. I, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE HOW LONG THIS IS GONNA TAKE TO SORT OF, SO WORK , I GUESS WE COULD, THE GARAGE IS SCHEDULED TO, UH, OPEN IN DECEMBER, JANUARY. WE'LL BE READY BY THEN. ALL OF THE SIGNAGE, THE STREETS, THE CODE COMPLIANCE, EVERYTHING WILL BE READY TO BE AT A READINESS IF THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN. SO WE'LL BE READY WHEN THE GARAGE OPENS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM. YES. BUT FOR THE EMPLOYEE PARKING SAME, WEREN'T YOU GONNA GIVE IT SIX MONTHS? SIX MONTHS AFTER THE YES, THE SIX MONTHS IS TO EVALUATE, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE LOTS WON'T BE EMPLOYEE ONLY. SO IT, THEY'LL BE EMPLOYEE ONLY LOTS. WE WON'T BE CHARGING FOR THOSE FIRST SIX MONTHS, BUT WE'LL BE MONITORING THE, UH, OCCUPANCY, THE, THE RATE OF OCCUPANCY, THE, UH, THE LENGTH OF OCCUPANCY AS WELL AS WHICH LOTS ARE FILLING UP, WHICH LOTS ARE NOT. SO WE CAN BETTER COME BACK AND, UH, USE THE LOTS EFFECTIVELY. SO YOU CAN TRY TO MIGRATE 'EM OVER DURING THAT. IT'LL BE A FREE PERIOD FOR SIX MONTHS, RIGHT? YEAH, BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO REGISTER AS AN EMPLOYEE WITH, WITH OUR, WITH OUR, WITH OUR PARK LOYALTY PROGRAM. AND THEN THEY WOULD BASICALLY PAY FOR A DAY PASS OR A MONTHLY PASS, UH, AND THEY WOULD PAY FOR IT THROUGH THE APP, BUT IT WOULD BE $0. YES. HOW ARE YOU GONNA MANAGE GUEST PARKING, STAFF PARKING, YOU KNOW, HOUSE CLEANER COMES TO WORK ON SOMEBODY'S HOUSE DURING THE DAYTIME? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THAT IS SOMETHING THE PARKING WORKING GROUP ALSO DID TALK ABOUT. AND, AND, AND WE DID TALK ABOUT IT AS WELL. UH, THE PARK LOYALTY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WERE TO LIVE IN UPTOWN AND YOU HAVE YOUR DRIVEWAY AND YOU HAVE SOME GUESTS AND THEY NEED A PARK ON THE STREET, HOW DO YOU GET THEM REGISTERED QUICKLY? THERE'S A QUICK QR CODE, LESS THAN TWO MINUTES TO GET IN THERE, SCAN IT, PUT YOUR LICENSE PLATE NUMBER AND YOUR GOLDEN, YOUR SETUP LESS THAN TWO MINUTES. BUT WHO ENTERS THAT? THE GUEST, THE MM-HMM . HOMEOWNER, THE GUEST. SO THE, YOUR GUEST COMES IN, SAY, HEY, PARK ON THE STREET, LET'S, UH, GIMME YOUR LICENSE PLATE NUMBER. WE'LL ENTER YOU IN. AND THOSE PERMITS, YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TWO PERMITS. SO AS THOSE PERMITS, UM, GET OVERLAPPED, ONE IS DELETED AND IT'S JUST REPLACED WITH THE NEXT ONE. SO THERE'S ALWAYS, YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE TWO PERMITS AVAILABLE. IF YOU DO HAVE A BIG BLOCK PARTY OR AN EVENT THAT IS HAPPENING SUCH AS A BIG BIRTHDAY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, BLOCK OFF CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE GONNA ALLOW YOU TO HAVE MORE THAN THAT AREA AND THEY WON'T BE ENFORCED DURING THAT TIME. LET, LET ME JUST JUMP IN HERE REAL QUICK. SO THIS IS STREET PARKING, RIGHT? SO ANY OFF STREET PARKING AND DRIVEWAYS, OTHER AREAS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE STREET ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT PART OF WHAT'S RESTRICTED BY THIS. YEAH, I GET THAT. I GET THAT. OKAY. BUT THEN DOES THAT MEAN SOMEBODY HAS TO HAVE A MOBILE DEVICE IN ORDER TO STREET PARK? IS THAT YOU? YOU COULD HAVE, YOU COULD BE ON YOUR OWN PHONE. IT, IT, IT COULD BE THE GUEST'S PHONE, IT COULD BE THE RESIDENT'S PHONE, IT COULD BE [02:55:01] THE CHILD'S PHONE. ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS A SCAN, A QR CODE AND IT'S GONNA TELL THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. AND IT'S JUST BASED ON YOUR LICENSE PLATE. OKAY. BUT YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE A PHONE, DOESN'T MATTER WHO'S WORK. YES. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YES. IN ORDER TO STREET PARK. OKAY. YES. IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT TECHNOLOGY WORK YES. TO, TO BE IN THERE, YES, YOU CAN GET REGISTERED FOR THE PROGRAM, UH, MANUALLY, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE CITY IN ORDER TO DO THAT, UH, TO GET THERE TWO PARKING SPACES. SO IF, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY IS UNABLE TO USE A SMARTPHONE, UM, THEY COULD, WHEN THEY HAVE GUESTS, THEY CAN PARK ON THE STREET BECAUSE THEIR VEHICLES ARE REGISTERED, UM, AS PER AS PERMITTED, AND THEY CAN GIVE THEIR DRIVEWAY SPOTS TO. SO THAT THERE, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE THAT, THAT INTERCHANGE AND THAT COMES WITH PERMIT PARKING. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT COME WITH A PERMIT PARKING AREA. UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THERE IS A WAY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT VERY QUICKLY. LIKE IF YOU HAVE A GARDENER COME, OR, OR A LADY THAT A CLEANING LADY COME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU CAN EVEN ENTER HER IN IF YOU NEEDED TO. UM, LET'S SAY THAT YOU ARE AT WORK AND YOUR CLEANING LADY'S GONNA COME AND YOU JUST LET HER COME IN. YOU CAN GET HER IN AND THEN SHE'LL HAVE THE PERMIT IN FOR THE DAY. AND IS PART OF YOUR OUTREACH GONNA BE EXPLAINING THAT TO PEOPLE? ABSOLUTELY. SO THEY UNDERSTAND, YES, IT'S GONNA BE A VERY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE'RE GONNA BE ATTACKING ALL OF THESE CONCERNS THAT, UH, A LOT OF THESE CONCERNS THAT THE PARKING WORKING GROUP, UH, DID BRING UP THAT WE, UH, HAD TO TALK WITH OUR, UH, THE, THE CONTRACTOR TO SEE IF THERE WAS WAYS FOR US TO, UM, NAVIGATE THOSE ISSUES. SO YES. HOW DO YOU GET A PERMIT? YOU HAVE TO COME TO CITY HALL TO GET IT? NO, NO, NO. YOU CAN PRINT IT OFF YOUR COMPUTER. NO, NO, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD BASICALLY, UH, REGISTER. SO YOU REGISTER YOUR NAME AND THEN, UH, WHERE YOU LIVE BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE PER PARCEL. AND THEN ONCE YOU GET IT PER PARCEL, YOU GET TWO PERMIT PARKING SPOTS IN THE MAIL. NO, YOU WOULD GET IT, IT'S THROUGH YOUR PHONE. AND THEN OH, THEN YOUR LICENSE PLATE WOULD BE, UH, REGISTERED THERE. SO ENFORCEMENT WOULD BE WITH, UH, WITH, UH, POLICE OFFICERS GOING AND JUST SCANNING A LICENSE PLATE REALLY QUICK AND THEN THAT, THAT WHICH TAKES ALMOST NO TIME AT ALL. SO IT WOULD BE SPOT CHECKING. SO, UH, WILL THERE BE 100% COMPLIANCE? I HOPE SO. I DOUBT IT. WILL THERE BE PEOPLE THAT PARK THERE THAT ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO? THERE MAY BE, BUT WE HAVE A WAY TO ENFORCE THAT. AND IF A RESIDENT SAYS, HEY, THIS PERSON SHOULDN'T BE PARKING HERE, WE CAN GET ALERTED AND GO CHECK IT OUT AND THEN GET SCAN, SCAN SOMEBODY IN. YES. HOW, HOW, HOW MANY OTHER CITIES, YOU, YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY LOOKED AT OTHER EXAMPLES AND MODELS OF THIS AND, AND HOW, HOW COMMONPLACE IS THAT AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, PRINTING OUT A PERMIT THAT'S DISPLAYED IN YOUR WINDSHIELD AND KNOWING THAT THAT'S OKAY. 'CAUSE I'M FAMILIAR WITH THOSE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NEW TECHNOLOGY AND WE EMBRACE THAT, BUT, BUT I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW COMMONPLACE THIS IS BECAUSE I'M SEEING SOME TECHNOLOGICAL ISSUES FOR SOME PEOPLE POTENTIALLY. ABSOLUTELY. AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, THERE, THAT'S WHY WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR, OUR MARKETING COMMUNICATIONS TEAM TO, TO HELP EVERYONE AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH THAT. UH, WE STILL WILL HAVE PASSES, BUT WE STILL NEED TO REGISTER PEOPLE. SO IF THEY ARE UNABLE OR CANNOT REGISTER, AND WHEN I SAY REGISTER, IT IS VERY, VERY SIMPLE. LIKE IT'S NAME, ADDRESS, LICENSE PLATE, SUBMIT, AND THEN YOU'RE DONE. SO TO TO, TO THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW COMMON IS THIS GOING? DIGITAL IS VERY, VERY COMMON. IT'S THE NEW DIRECTION THAT, THAT'S ALL PARKING, MOST AREAS, PERMIT PARKING AREAS ARE, ARE GOING FOR. YEAH. UM, THEY, WE, WE DID A FEW DEMOS. A FEW PARKING WORKING GROUP MEMBERS WERE THERE AS WELL. AND, UH, THEY OBSERVED THAT THIS IS IN VIRGINIA? IT'S IN LAS VEGAS. IT'S IN, UH, I'M SORRY. WAIT, WAIT. IT'S DIRECT. IT'S IN VIRGINIA. IT'S IN FLORIDA. THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS THAT ARE DOING PERMIT PARKING RIGHT NOW. AND IT, IT'S THE NEW, IT'S THE NEW DIRECTION THAT PERMIT PARKING IS GOING BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT PHYSICAL PLACARD THAT CAN GET LOST, THEN YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE CITY TO PICK ANOTHER ONE UP, AND THEN THE CITY HAS TO GO BACK AND TAKE THAT ONE OFF THE THINGS AND GO THERE. SO IT DOES, UH, STREAMLINE THE PERMITTING PROCESS. NOW, IF THERE IS SOMEONE THAT IS UNABLE TO, THE CITY IS HERE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE STAFF DEDICATED TO PARKING, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO HELP RESIDENCES, RESIDENTS REGISTER FOR THE PERMIT AMONG EXISTING STAFF. YES. WELL, WE'RE INTERVIEWING ON MONDAY [03:00:01] AMONG BUDGETED STAFF. . YES. YES, THEY ARE. IT IS, UH, IT IS A, A IS A, WE'RE REPLACING A, A STAFF MEMBER TURNOVER. WHAT DO WE DO? AND WE ALSO HAVE CHRISTIE, WHICH SHE IS A SUPERSTAR. WE KNOW THAT. YES, WE DO KNOW THAT. WHAT ARE WE DOING IN THE SOLDIER'S PASS AREA FOR THIS TO ADDRESS THIS SAME ISSUE? THOSE ARE ACTUALLY PHYSICAL PLACARDS, BUT, UM, IT'S MANAGED BY THE HOA AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE COULD LIKELY EXTEND TO THEM AS WELL. IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO PURSUE AND THE HOA WANTS TO PURSUE, MY GUESS IS THEY WOULD PROBABLY PREFER A DIGITAL SYSTEM THAT IT'D BE MUCH EASIER TO MAINTAIN. DO WE HAVE A GENERAL IDEA OF HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THIS PARKING ZONE HAVE DRIVEWAYS OF THEIR OWN? I MEAN, IS IT 80%, 50% FOR, I MEAN, I HAVEN'T DRIVEN THE WHOLE JUST FROM WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT. IT'S, IT'S, IT IS A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF, OF DRIVEWAYS, BUT THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT. SOME ARE LONGER, SOME ARE SHORTER, SOME ARE WIDER. UM, AND THERE ARE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE PARKING JUST LIKE IN THEIR YARD. , FOR INSTANCE, . SO IT'S A VARIATION, BUT MOST OF THEM DO HAVE SOME FORM OF DRIVE BY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE DOING WITH THE READINESS PLAN IS WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING IN THE AREAS LOOKING FOR POTENTIAL PARKING SPOTS. AND IF THERE'S A BIG BUSH IN THE WAY OR SOMETHING, WE'RE GONNA BE CREATING THOSE AS A SPOT. UM, TALKING OBVIOUSLY TO THE RESIDENTS. SO LIKE REMOVING VEGETATION TO WELL, SO WHAT, WHAT HE IS REFERRING TO IS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. THIS IS IN THE, THE CITY OWNED RIGHT AWAY. THERE ARE AREAS WHERE WIDENING A LITTLE BIT WILL NEED TO OCCUR, AND THERE WILL NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF IMPROVEMENT MADE WITH THAT. IT VARIES FROM LOCATION TO LOCATION, BUT OUR INTENT AS WE ROLL THIS OUT IS TO GET WHAT THOSE INDI INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS AND TALK THEM THROUGH WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. UM, WE CERTAIN CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO PUT NEW PARKING SPACES IF THEY'RE NOT WANTED IN ONE AREA AND THEY WORK IN ANOTHER. WE WANT TO WORK THAT OUT INITIALLY THAT WE PUT THEM WHERE IT WORKS FOR EVERYONE IS THE INTENT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GO TO THE PUBLIC. GOT A NUMBER OF CARDS. OKAY. SO FIRST ONE IS THOMAS GLENN DENNING, FOLLOWED BY AMANDA HOLLAND. THOMAS, YOUR, YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, PLEASE. THOMAS GLENDENNING, UH, COTTONWOOD. UM, THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL. UH, JUST A QUICK NOTE OF A LOT OF US ARE COMMUNED IN TO SEDONA TO WORK. UM, COST OF LIVING IS REAL HIGH. IT'S PUTTING THE SQUEEZE ON US MIDDLE CLASSES IS DISAPPEARING. UH, I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS AND I BELIEVE THAT ALTHOUGH PARKING IS DEFINITELY PRECIOUS REAL ESTATE, UH, MAN, IT'S, IT'S $2 A DAY. IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN THAT. IT'S, IT'S TIME. IT'S PARKING SOMEWHERE AND THEN HAVING TO WALK HOWEVER FAR, IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA JUST BE $2 FOREVER. IT'S, WE'LL EVENTUALLY GO UP AND UP AND I JUST THINK IT'S PUTTING THE SQUEEZE ON US. WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HURTING. AND WHERE DO YOU PARK NOW? UH, RIGHT NOW I PARK DIRECTLY BEHIND THE BUSINESS I WORK FOR, BUT IT'S NOT JUST THE EMPLOYEES THAT GET TO PARK THERE, IT'S THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES AS WELL. AND IF YOU DON'T GET THERE AT A CERTAIN TIME, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU MAY HAVE TO DRIVE AROUND A LITTLE BIT, AND I UNDERSTAND IT IS PRECIOUS REAL ESTATE, BUT THEN AGAIN, IF YOU'RE FORCING US TO PAY, TO COME TO WORK WHERE IT'S, UH, PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY THINKING, HEY, MAYBE I'LL JUST GET A JOB IN COTTONWOOD, OR, HEY, I'M DRIVING DOWN FROM FLAGSTAFF, MAYBE I'LL JUST GET A JOB UP IN FLAGSTAFF SO I CAN UNDERSTAND CARPOOLING COULD BE AN INCENTIVE. UH, , MAJORITY OF US, WE DON'T LIVE IN THE SAME TOWNS. WE'RE COMING FROM COTTONWOOD, CLARKDALE, RIM ROCK, CAMP VERDE, FLAGSTAFF, UH, ON PAPER IT CAN, IT CAN LOOK, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD, BUT REALITY IS THAT WE'RE NOT ALL LIVING IN ONE TOWN AND LIVING NEXT DOOR EACH OTHER AND HOPPING IN THE, THE SUBARU TOGETHER TO DRIVE TO SEDONA. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO THANK YOU. MAY I ASK A FOLLOW UP? YEAH. THE, THE, THE LOT IN WHICH YOU PARK DIRECTLY BEHIND THE BUSINESS, IS A PORTION OF THAT LOT RESERVED FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING, OR ARE YOU COMPETING WITH THE PUBLIC? GO AHEAD. I APOLOGIZE. UH, IT'S, IT IS, IT IS COMPETING. UM, BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL OF UPTOWN IT FEELS LIKE. SO, UH, [03:05:01] BUT IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE LOTS WOULD BE IN COMPARISON TO WHERE YOU WOULD ACTUALLY WORK. I HEARD A MILE THROWN OUT THERE. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S TIME. THAT'S, THAT'S TIME. UH, I, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE EARLIER TO GET TO WORK. UH, TIME IS MONEY AND SO IT'S JUST, I, I'M JUST NOT REALLY FULLY UNDER UNDERSTANDING ALL THE, THE INS AND OUTS OF THIS, BUT FROM JUST THE SURFACE, UH, I'M JUST NOT DIGGING IT. AND SO IT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE I'M AT WITH IT, SO THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A COMMENT. UM, UH, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF ADDRESS, UH, ONE POINT OF THE CARPOOLING. WE WILL BE LOOKING AT A WEBSITE OR AN APP THAT WILL BE ABLE TO, PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO CONNECT WITH EACH OTHER AND BE ABLE TO SAY WHAT SHIFTS THEY HAVE AND BE ABLE TO START THAT CARPOOLING PROCESS. UH, IT IS WHAT IS USED IN A LOT OF, UH, OTHER AREAS. UM, AND, UH, THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT CARPOOLING, UH, WEBSITES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. AND IT WOULD BE, UH, THE EMPLOYEE ENTERING THEIR INFORMATION IN AND ANOTHER EMPLOYEE ENTERING THEIR INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED. AND THE SYSTEM ITSELF SAYS, THESE PEOPLE HAVE THE SAME SHIFT. YOU GUYS ARE THIS FAR APART, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO CARPOOL. SO IT WOULD GIVE THOSE OPTIONS. UM, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED, SOME PEOPLE WILL BE MUCH FURTHER APART, BUT THERE MAY BE PEOPLE THAT ARE CLOSER THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW. OKAY. AMANDA, FOLLOWED BY MARK BROOK. HI, UM, I AM AMANDA HOLLAND. I, UM, AM FROM REM ROCK. UM, I'M AN EMPLOYEE IN UPTOWN. UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PARKING, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT EMPLOYEES AREN'T TAKING UP PARKING BECAUSE WE'RE HERE SIGHTSEEING. WE'RE PARKING BECAUSE WE'RE HERE WORKING. UM, SEDONA IS, TOR IS A TOURISM TOWN, BUT TOURISM DOESN'T FUNCTION WITHOUT THE EMPLOYEES HERE. UM, IF YOU GUYS, UM, AGREED TO PRICE OUT EMPLOYEES LIKE KEEP CHARGING US OR START TO CHARGE US, THEN YOU'RE EVENTUALLY NOT GONNA HAVE THE EMPLOYEES THAT BRING THE TOURISM TO UPTOWN, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY HOW YOU GUYS GET PAYCHECKS. UM, IMAGINE IF, UM, IF GUESTS OR LIKE CUSTOMERS ARE HAVING TO PARK WHEREVER THIS PARKING GARAGE IS OR WALKING, IF THEY WANT TO GO TO RESTAURANTS AND IT'S 105 DEGREES OUT, YOU REALLY THINK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. DO YOU THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO GET GUESTS COMING TO SEDONA IF THEY'RE HAVING TO PARK HOWEVER FAR AWAY WHEN IT'S CRAZY HOT OUT LIKE IT IS IN THE SUMMER, OR REALLY COLD OUT IN THE WINTER AND IT'S POURING RAIN? UM, WHAT ABOUT WHEN EMPLOYEES HAVE TO COME EARLY IN THE MORNING AND IT'S DARK AND YOU'RE MAKING US HAVE TO WALK A MILE TO GET TO OUR JOB? UM, THAT'S NOT REALLY COOL. UM, AND I DON'T AGREE WITH IT, AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT AREN'T EVEN HERE RIGHT NOW, UM, PROBABLY DON'T AGREE WITH IT EITHER. SO PLEASE DON'T APPROVE THAT. THANKS. THANK YOU, AMANDA. AM I UP? JACOB WILL BE FOLLOWING. MARK. I'M MARK SANDBROOK AND I LIVE IN UPTOWN AND HAVE BEEN PART OF THE PARKING WORK GROUP. IT'S BEEN A GREAT PROCESS. UH, SO I HAVE THESE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. UH, PRIOR TO THE, UH, SIX MONTH TRIAL PERIOD, I WOULD SUGGEST GETTING ALL THE COMPONENTS OF THE, UH, SYSTEM IN PLACE, NOT WAITING, UH, WHILE SOME IN THE PARKING GROUP WOULD LIKE TO DELAY THIS FOR A YEAR OR MORE, I THINK WE NEED TO GET IT SET NOW. AND AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT IS WORKING ON CODE COMPLIANT, UH, SIGNAGE AND STRIPING STAFF'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF IDENTIFYING CODE COMPLIANT, UH, PARKING SPACES IN THE UPTOWN STREETS FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND PASSAGE OF EMERGENCY VEHICLES. AND STAFF SHOULD BE DIRECTED BY YOU IMMEDIATELY TO INSTALL STRIPING AND SIGNAGE FOR EMPLOYEE RESIDENTIAL AND PAID PARKING IN THAT CORE AREA. GET IT DONE NOW, OR WE'RE GONNA HAVE CON CONFUSION AND CHAOS. OTHER THING IS I THINK WE SHOULD PREVENT SPILLOVER, UH, PARKING INTO ADJACENT, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREAS WHERE SOME OF OUR COUNSELORS LIVE. AND, UH, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, STRIPING AND, UH, ISN'T NECESSARILY NEEDED THERE. BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE SIGNAGE THAT INDICATES THAT THESE NEARBY AREAS ARE, UH, RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PARKING AND, UH, IF NEEDED, THEY COULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, STRIPED AND SIGNED IN THE FUTURE. UH, ANOTHER THING I WOULD RECOMMEND IS, UH, DURING THE REGISTRATION OF EMPLOYEES, I THINK WE NEED TO, UH, UH, NOT ONLY REGISTER THE EMPLOYERS THAT THEY WORK FOR AND OTHER INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR VEHICLES THAT THEY DRIVE [03:10:01] FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT DAYS OF THE WORK DO YOU TYP, DAYS OF THE WEEK, DO YOU TYPICALLY WORK? WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS AND SO FORTH. BECAUSE SO FAR WE'VE HAD HUGE GAPS IN UNDERSTANDING HOW MANY EMPLOYEES REALLY ARE THERE AT ONE TIME THAT NEED PARKING. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, UH, DATA, IT'LL JUST BE A CONTINUING GAP FOR US. AND FINALLY, I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT ONE ITEM, UH, IS ABOUT MONITORING STREET PARKING. UH, THE SELECTED STALL MONITORING SYSTEM, SPOT GENIUS IS REALLY INTENDED FOR LOT MONITORING AND THEIR TECHNOLOGY IS THEY STATE INAPPROPRIATE FOR ON STREET PARKING. SO EXCLUDING THE GARAGE, I THINK THE SYSTEM THAT'S IN PLACE, UH, HAS ABOUT THREE IS MONITORING 308 OR SO SPACES. I KNOW THAT NUMBER'S IN FLUX, UH, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S ABOUT 192 SPACES, MANY OF THEM ON THE STREET THAT ARE UNMONITORED. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND GOING WITH INDIVIDUAL STALL MONITORS. UH, AS A, AS AN EXAMPLE, 11 X WAS ONE OF THE SECOND RATE. IT WAS THE SECOND RATED STALL MONITORING, UH, FIRMS. THEY HAVE A BATTERY OPERATED DEVICE THAT SITS IN EACH STALL THAT MONITORS OCCUPANCY. IT MONITORS DWELL TIME, AND IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE ER, WHERE PEOPLE ARE PARKING AND WHEN AND HOW LONG IF YOU DON'T HAVE EVERY STALL MONITORED. SO I THINK THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE ISSUE THAT, UH, IS BROUGHT BY HAVING CCTV CAMERAS DOING STALL MONITORING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JACKSON. FOLLOWED BY KEVIN PICARD. UH, HOWDY, UH, MAYOR AND COUNSELORS, UH, JACKSON, WAYLAND, FLAGSTAFF. I CAN MUTE DOWN HERE FROM WORK. AND FUN ENOUGH, I WAS THINKING A FEW HOURS EARLIER IN THE MEETING, SOMEBODY USED THE WORD SPONGY, AND I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD WAY TO DESCRIBE THIS NEW PARKING PLAN. WEAK AND FULL OF HOLES. OF COURSE, WHEN IT COMES TO PAYING FOR THIS PANDORA'S BOX OF A PARKING GARAGE, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE MONTHLY PARKING FEE INEVITABLY GOES UP TO $75? THAT'S A MASSIVE PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING DOWN HERE TO WORK. LIKE MR. THOMAS SAID, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE OF A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THE PEOPLE WORKING IN SEDONA CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE IN SEDONA. I THINK IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN THIS PARKING FEE AND IT WILL INEVITABLY BE RAISED OVER TIME, YOU ARE ACTIVELY INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE NOT TO COME AND WORK IN SEDONA. SEDONA CAN BE AN AMAZING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, AND IF YOU'RE IMPOSING ALL THESE FEES AND PUNISHING PEOPLE FOR COMING TO WORK IN THE CITY OF SEDONA, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A HUGE DROP IN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO COME AND WORK HERE. AND THAT'S REALLY GONNA HURT THE ECONOMIC TOURIST ENGINE THAT GIVES YOU YOUR REVENUE POOL FOR FUNDING ALL THESE DIFFERENT PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY THE PARKING GARAGE. PARDON ME, GOTTA PULL UP MY NOTES HERE. I HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, I'M A TOUR GUIDE HERE. I MEET PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, AND I'M BLESSED BY THAT. IT'S INCREDIBLY FUN. AND I HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT THIS GENERATION OF PEOPLE DOESN'T WANNA WORK. TALKING ABOUT MY GENERATION, GENERATION OF PEOPLE, THE YOUNGER DEMOGRAPHIC. THERE'S A REASON A LOT OF US OR SOME PEOPLE MIGHT FIND IT HARDER TO WORK AND NOT WANNA WORK. THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WORKING AGAINST US. THE COST OF LIVING IS ASTRONOMICAL. A LOT OF US DON'T HAVE THAT NEST EGG OR THAT MONEY BEING WORKING FOR LONG ENOUGH TO KIND OF INSULATE US FROM ECONOMIC SHOCKS. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT'S GONNA MAKE GETTING BY HARDER. AS A YOUNG PERSON, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET AHEAD IF YOU'RE CONSTANTLY BEING PUNISHED FOR WANTING TO WORK IN A CITY THAT YOU LOVE. AND A THING THAT I WANNA REALLY INVOKE IS THAT, THAT MONEY EVERY MONTH COULD BE THE DECIDING FACTOR FOR YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE ME, IF THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THE RENT, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THEIR HEALTHCARE, IF IT HYPOTHETICALLY GOES UP TO 75 BUCKS A MONTH, THAT MIGHT SEEM LIKE A DROP IN THE BUCKET TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. BUT 22, 23, 24 YEAR OLDS WHO ARE REALLY MAKING UP A LOT OF THE ECONOMIC TOURIST ENGINE IN SEDONA, THAT MONEY IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. FINALLY, UM, REALLY, I JUST WANNA SAY IT, I THINK WORD OF MOUTH MEANS A LOT. AND IF YOU'RE HAVING ALL THESE PEOPLE WORKING AND TRAVELING TO SEDONA WHO HAVE ALL THESE NEGATIVE THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THE CITY OF SEDONA, PUNISHING THEM WITH PRICE TO VISIT, THAT'S GOING TO REALLY, AGAIN, HURT YOUR ECONOMIC STANDING WITH VISITORS AS WELL AS EMPLOYEES. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I GOT TO SAY. HOPEFULLY I GOT IT ALL IN THERE. THANK YOU, YOU JACKSON. UM, GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS KEVIN PICKARD AND I'M A SEDONA RESIDENT AND SERVED ON THE PARKING GROUP'S COST SUBCOMMITTEE. I'VE CONSISTENTLY BELIEVED THAT LONG-TERM PARKING CHANGES SHOULD BE BASED ON ACTUAL UTILIZATION DATA. DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS, WE ARE ADVISED THAT WITHOUT AN AGREEMENT FOR TODAY, THE CITY [03:15:01] MIGHT NOT RENEW THE EXISTING PARKING LOTS. DOING NOTHING COULD MEAN LOSING SUBSTANTIAL PARKING RELIED ON UPTOWN EMPLOYEES AND BUSINESSES. THAT RISK INFLUENCED MY DECISION TO SUPPORT THIS PLAN, BUT MY SUPPORT IS NOT AN ENDORSEMENT AS PERMANENT SOLUTION. THE WORK GROUP'S PRIMARY OBJECTIVE WAS TO REDUCE UPTOWN TRAFFIC BY KEEPING MORE EMPLOYEE VEHICLES OUTSIDE THE AREA. REGARDING THE RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PARKING PLAN, IT APPEARS CLOSE TO THE MAJORITY OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE BEING UTILIZED FOR BUSINESS RELATED PURPOSES, INCLUDING SHORT TERM, LONG-TERM RENTALS AND OTHER, I RAISE THIS POINT BECAUSE THIS AREA EXCLUSIVELY COM COMPROMISED THE TRADITIONAL RESIDENT OCCUPIED PROPERTIES. FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD RECOMMEND RECONSIDERING THE NAME RESIDENT PERMANENT PARKING. IF APPROVED, IT COULD UNINTENTIONALLY CREATE A MISLEADING IMPRESSION FOR THE PUBLIC REGARDING THE MAKEUP OF THE AFFECTED AREA. THE PARKING PROGRAM SHOULD BEGIN ONLY AFTER THE UPTOWN GARAGE IS BUILT. AS WE'VE ALL BEEN SAYING TODAY, THE NECESSARY TECHNOLOGY OPERATIONAL FOLLOWED BY FORMAL EVALUATION, NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACTS, AND FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE, WE COULD ALL GET TOGETHER AND LOOK AT THAT. THE CITY OWNS. THE CITY OWNS HOUSING ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT ONLY 19 8 19 0.8% OF SEDONAS WORKERS LIVE IN SEDONA. MORE THAN 80% MUST COMMUTE INTO THE CITY EACH DAY. SHORT TERM RENTALS INCREASE FROM 727 IN 2020 TO 1,270. IN 2025, A 75% INCREASE AND BACK AT THE TIME OF STUDY REPRESENTS 18.1 OF TON'S ENTIRE HOUSING INVENTORY THAT IS MORE HOUSING THAN THE 17.6 OCCUPIED BY RENTERS. THE MEDIAN SINGLE FAMILY HOME SALE PRICE IN SANTO IS MORE THAN $1 MILLION COMPARED TO 430,000 ACROSS THE VERDE VALLEY. IN MY OWN SEARCH FOR HOUSING, I WAS CONSTANTLY BEATEN BY MULTIPLE CASH OFFERS FOR SHORT BY SHORT, SHORT-TERM RENTAL COMPANIES. BEFORE WE MAKE PARKING MORE DIFFICULT OR COSTLY, WE MUST REMEMBER THAT WE'RE PLACING ANOTHER BURDEN ON EMPLOYEES WHO OFTEN CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. THE GREATEST RISK OF THE PARKING PROGRAM IS LOSING THE PEOPLE AND BUSINESS WHO TAKE CARE OF SEDONA. THERE ARE HARDWORKING HOUSEKEEPERS WHO TURN GUEST ROOMS INTO WELCOMING RETREATS, THE SERVERS, COOKS AND DISHWASHERS WHO PROVIDE MEMORABLE DINING EXPERIENCES, THE ENGINEERS, MAINTENANCE PROFESSIONALS AND CONTRACTORS WHO KEEP OUR HOTELS, RESTAURANT SHOPS AND PUBLIC SPACES SAFE AND LOOKING THEIR BEST. THEY'RE ALSO THE ARTISTS WHO GIVE SEDONAS CHARACTER TOUR OPERATORS THAT HELP TELL SEDONA STORY. THE RETAIL EMPLOYEES WHO BRING UPTOWN TO LIFE MANY ALREADY COMMUTE LONG DISTANCES BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. IF WORKING IN SEDONA BECOMES TOO DIFFICULT OR EXPENSIVE, THEY CAN TAKE THEIR TALENTS TO COTTONWOOD, FLAGSTAFF, OR ANOTHER COMMUNITY WHERE WORKING IS EASIER AND MORE AFFORDABLE. WHEN THEY LEAVE, WE LOSE THEIR EXPERIENCE, RELIABILITY, RELATIONSHIPS, AND COMMITMENT. UH, THOSE QUALITIES TAKE YEARS TO BUILD, AND ONCE THEY'RE GONE, A PARKING PLAN WILL NOT BRING THEM BACK. OUR TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS MUST COME TO THE EXPENSE OF THE WORKFORCE THAT MAKES SEDONA SUCCESSFUL. I RESPECTFULLY ASK COUNSEL TO PROTECT THESE EMPLOYEES, EVALUATE ALL SOURCES AND TRAFFIC CONSISTENTLY, AND GIVE CAREFUL CONSIDERATION WHEN APPROVING OR MOVING THIS PLAN. THANKS. THANK YOU, KEVIN. NEXT IS BOBBY BRA. HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME? BOBBY? UH, VERMEER. YEAH. MAYOR COUNCIL. MY NAME'S BOB VERMEER. UH, BOBBY VERMEER. UH, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR MANY YEARS. MY FAMILY'S BEEN HERE SINCE 1909, AND I'VE SEEN A HELL OF A CHANGE IN THE COUNTRY AROUND HERE, AND IT'S NOT BEEN FOR THE GOOD EITHER. I GUARANTEE YOU, UH, THIS PARKING DEAL WHERE THE HALF OF THE PAID THE EMPLOYERS HAVE TO PAY. I, I WORK IN, I LIVE IN COTTONWOOD BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE IN SEDONA. UH, HOUSING'S TOO, TOO MUCH EVEN TO EAT LUNCH HERE HAS COST YOU. SO, UH, BUT THIS PARKING, UH, IS NOT GONNA WORK. WE GOT TOO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE COMING IN AT DIFFERENT TIMES WORKING. YOU CAN'T, AND THEN WHO'S GONNA WATCH MY VEHICLE, UH, IN THE PARKING LOT WHEN SOMEBODY WALKS BY THE SIDE OF IT AND KEYS IT? WHO'S GOING TO, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PARKING IN THOSE PRIVATE PARKING LOTS AND THAT, AND WHO'S GONNA HAVE TO PAY TO KEEP THE MAINTENANCE AND EVERYTHING UP ON THEM? AND THEN, AS FAR AS TRYING TO REGISTER PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE IN TOWN, IF I LIVED HERE, I WASN'T GONNA REGISTER SO I CAN GET A PARKING PERMIT. I BOUGHT A HOUSE HERE, UH, FOR THAT. SO, UH, LIKE I SAID, I, I, UH, I, I I I, I CAN'T GO WITH THIS, UH, UH, EMPLOYEE PARKING. I, I THINK THERE'S OTHER ISSUES THAT, UH, NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED HERE. WE NEED TO SEE IF THE PARKING STRUCTURE IS GONNA BENEFIT US THE WAY EVERYBODY THINKS IT IS. AND THE, WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT, THE ONLY FREE PARKING THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE IN SEDONA, IT'S A ROUNDABOUTS , [03:20:01] UH, I'M BEING TRUTHFUL TO YOU. SO, UH, ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. AND, UH, I JUST MEAN, DO YOU LET YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT IT? WHERE DO YOU PARK NOW? WHERE DO I PARK NOW? WHEREVER I CAN. I'M HANDICAPPED AND I CAN'T EVEN FIND THE HANDICAPPED PARKING SPOT. I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE'S SO MANY HANDICAPPED PEOPLE OUT THERE. BUT ANYWAY, UH, GENERALLY I GET HERE SOMETIMES AT THREE IN THE MORNING. I HAVE, I AT THREE IN THE MORNING. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM FINDING THE PARKING SPOT. AND WELL, I USED TO HAVE A A UNTIL YOU GUYS PUT THE, UH, NO, THE, UH, METERS ON, UH, JORDAN STREET THERE. THAT'S WHERE OUR EMPLOYEES USED TO BE ABLE TO PARK WAS RIGHT THERE. AND, UH, WE'D PARK RIGHT THERE AND EVERYTHING. AND, AND, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER THING. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT PARKING. YOU GUYS PUT IN A REALLY, UH, UH, PUT IN, UH, PARKING THERE THAT EVERYBODY PAID FOR AND THEY OPENED THE DOOR AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT TRASH BRUSH THAT, THAT, THAT EVERYTHING, NOTHING IS GROOMED DOWN THERE. IT ONLY GETS GROOMED UP TO A CERTAIN POINT THERE, RIGHT UP JUST ABOVE, UH, PINK JEEP RIGHT THERE. BUT NOBODY COMES ON DOWN THE STREET. I DO ALL THE, THE TRIMMING OF ALL THAT STREET ON JORDAN STREET. AND I PILE IT UP THERE AND HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS WILL COME AND PICK IT UP. SOMEBODY SAYS, OH BOB, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. WELL, SOMEBODY'S GOTTA DO IT BECAUSE THE CITY'S NOT DOING IT. SO I VOLUNTEER MY TIME TO DO IT, TO MAKE IT LOOK NICE. I LOVE THIS TOWN. I LOVE THE RED ROCKS. I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE. I GOT A LOT OF FAMILY THAT'S BEEN JUST, JUST BURIED HERE. AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, I, I, I, I, THIS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU GUYS REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS AND MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO WORK. I THINK IT'S, IT'S THIS NOT GONNA WORK FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WORK HERE. AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. TIM PERRY, FOLLOWED BY MCAL MC. MCAL, I'M SORRY, MCKAYLA. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. WHY IS THIS ITEM EVEN ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA? YOU KNOW, THE UPTOWN RESIDENTS TOLD YOU WITH A VERY CLEAR SUPER MAJORITY THAT THEY DID NOT WANT ANY KIND OF PERMIT PARKING PROGRAM. THAT IT WAS AN UNNECESSARY AND INTRUSIVE INVASION OF THEIR NORMAL WAY OF LIFE THAT WOULD IMPROVE NO ONE'S QUALITY OF LIFE. AND YET, WE'RE BACK HERE ANYWAY. NOW, THIS SHOULDN'T BE A SURPRISE BECAUSE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU GUYS DID WITH THE PARKING GARAGE. AS OUR MAYOR ADMITTED FROM THE DAIS, YOU GUYS APPROVED IT OVER GENERAL PUBLIC OPPOSITION BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT IT WAS THE RIGHT ANSWER. AND THAT'S THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION. THIS IS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE AN AGENDA. YOU WANT TO PURSUE THIS RESIDENT PARKING PROGRAM TO PUSH YOUR PERSONAL WHIMS AND YOUR PUBLIC TRANSIT AGENDA, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU'RE NOW CLAIMING TONIGHT IN CONTRADICTION OF PREVIOUS PLANS. YOU FULLY INTEND TO USE THIS AS A TROJAN HORSE THAT WILL OPEN THE DOOR TO THE SPY CAMS WE TOLD YOU YOU COULDN'T HAVE ON CITY STREETS BECAUSE YOU ARE SO COMMITTED TO THE VIOLENCE AND THE COERCION OF THE POLICE STATE AND YOUR OWN MORAL BANKRUPTCY. AS A CONSEQUENCE, YOU WANT TO USE THIS PROGRAM AS YET ANOTHER WAY TO ATTEMPT TO CIRCUMVENT STATE LAW SO YOU CAN TRY TO CONTINUE YOUR CAMPAIGN AGAINST STR THAT YOU HATE SO MUCH AS FAR AS THE ANGLE FOR THE EMPLOYEE PARKING PROGRAM. YOU'VE COME UP WITH THE WONDERFULLY TOTALITARIAN IDEA OF SUGGESTING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DECIDE WHICH INDIVIDUAL SPOTS THESE EMPLOYEES PARK IN, AND YOU'RE GOING TO TRACK AND REGISTER THEM AND BUILD A DATABASE OF THEM INTO THE PROCESS, WHICH I'M SURE IS GONNA BE GREAT FOR THEM. AND YOU'RE FURTHER TRYING TO PUSH YOUR GREEN IDEOLOGY WITH THIS. OH, FREE PARKING FOR CARPOOLERS. ISN'T THAT CONVENIENT? AND ALL OF THIS AGENDA, OF COURSE, NESTS WITHIN THE GENERAL LARGER AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS YOU GUYS TRYING TO BE AS UNDEMOCRATIC AS POSSIBLE AND DO THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT. DROP THIS ABSOLUTELY SOVIET PARKING PERMIT PROPOSAL. DAVE'S WHAT? YOUR NA DAVE'S YOU'RE AFTER MCKAYLA. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, AND COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS MCKAYLA BOAR. I AM A COTTONWOOD RESIDENT AND I HAVE WORKED IN UPTOWN SEDONA FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS FOR MY EXPERIENCE REGARDING WHAT IT TAKES TO [03:25:01] REMAIN A COMPETITIVE EMPLOYER IN, UH, FROM FLAGSTAFF AND THE VERDE VALLEY. OH, SORRY, I MISSED MY LINE. FROM MY EXPERIENCE REGARDING WHAT IT TAKES TO REMAIN A COMPETITIVE EMPLOYER FOR THE COMMUTERS FROM FLAGSTAFF AND THE VERDE VALLEY, I AM NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED PARKING PLAN. I'D LIKE THE PREFERENCE THAT THE STATISTICS I'M GOING TO REFER TO ARE FROM THE 20 25 26, UH, BUDGET DOCUMENT ONLINE. IN THE LAST FISCAL YEAR, SEDONA GENERATED $43.7 MILLION IN SALES AND BED TAX REVENUE. TOURISM IS RESPONSIBLE FOR A VAST MAJORITY OF THE REVENUE WITH THE CITY ESTIMATING UPWARDS OF 77% CONTRIBUTION. AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF ONE OF THE LARGEST EMPLOYERS IN SEDONA, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE EMPLOYEES OF OUR TOWN FOR THEIR COMMITMENT TO THIS CITY AND MAKING OUR TOURISM ECONOMY POSSIBLE AS AN ADVOCATE FOR THE PROSPERITY OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THOSE WHO SUPPORT IT. WHETHER AS A RESIDENT OR EMPLOYEE, I BELIEVE IT TO BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO AVOID FURTHER BURDENING OUR PEOPLE IN AN ECONOMY WITH COST THAT CAN FEEL SUFFOCATING BETWEEN GAS, GROCERIES, AND THE OVERALL COST OF LIVING, WE NEED TO SHOW SUPPORT AND UPLIFT OTHERS WHERE POSSIBLE. AS A FINANCE PROFESSIONAL, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR AN ROI ON ALL PROJECTS. SO I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION REVENUE STREAM. PLEASE CONSIDER COLLECTING TRANSPORT FEES FROM THE CURRENT COMPLIMENTARY TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE. THE SHUTTLE PROVIDED 358,000 PASSENGER RIDES LAST YEAR. AT A FEE OF $2 PER PASSENGER, THE CITY WOULD GENERATE OVER $700,000. THE PROPOSED NUMBER OF MAXIMUM PAID PARKING SPOTS FOR UPTOWN SODO, UH, ASSOCIATES TURNED TWICE A DAY AT $2 PER VEHICLE WOULD GENERATE LESS THAN HALF OF THE SHUTTLE PROPOSAL. NOT ONLY WOULD THE FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION OF THIS PROPOSAL BE MORE LUCRATIVE, IT ALSO TAKES CARE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE A $2 CHARGE MAKES BETWEEN OUR VISITORS AND OUR WORKFORCE. THE MEDIAN ANNUAL INCOME FOR SEDONA VISITORS IS $89,000. WITH OVER 20% OF VISITORS EXCEEDING $150,000. THE AVERAGE SEDONA EMPLOYEE CURRENTLY EARNS 55,000. ASKING VISITORS TO PAY THE $2 FEE HAS A LESSER FINANCIAL IMPACT THAN IMPOSING THIS ON OUR WORKFORCE. LASTLY, THE TRANSPORT FEE WOULD BE PERCEIVED AS A ONE-TIME COST OF VISITORS, WHEREAS THE PARKING FEE IS A DAILY COST OF EMPLOYMENT. RESPECTFULLY, I THINK WE NEED TO ASK OURSELVES, WHO SHOULD BEAR THE COST OF TOURISM IN OUR CITY? WHETHER THIS SUGGESTION OR AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION ARE EXPLORED, I ASK THAT THE COUNCIL PUTS THE INTEREST OF OUR WORKFORCE FRONT AND CENTER IN ONGOING CONSIDERATION OF UPTOWN PARKING. LET'S SUPPORT LOCAL ECONOMY IN THIS CRITICAL TIME. I IMPLORE THE COUNCIL TO REMEMBER THE VISION STATEMENT AND REMAIN A CITY WHICH OFFERS EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL AND FOSTERS A SENSE OF COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AT DAVID KEYER. NEXT, DAVE SWORN OUT. I LIVE IN UPTOWN SEDONA, SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF CHARGING EMPLOYEES OR ANYONE TO USE THE SURFACE LOTS. THE GARAGE IS SUPPOSED TO BE SELF-SUPPORTING, AND I THINK WE NEED TO SEE HOW IT CAN SUPPORT ITSELF BEFORE WE CONSIDER CHARGING AT THE OTHER LOTS. THE BUSINESSES ARE PAYING THE SALES TAX THAT'S SUPPORTING THE CITY. AND NOW IF THE EMPLOYEES ARE HAVING TO PAY FOR PARKING, WHICH THE EMPLOYERS ARE IN A SENSE PAYING FOR, IT'S REALLY JUST ANOTHER TAX. IT'S KIND OF DOUBLE TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION EMPLOYEES AND THE BUSINESSES DIDN'T GET TO VOTE ON THE EXPENDITURE OF THE GARAGE AND ALL THAT. UM, AT THE VERY LEAST, I THINK THESE DECISIONS SHOULD BE PUT OFF AND MAYBE NOT EVEN INSTALLING THE TECHNOLOGY UNTIL WE SEE HOW THE GARAGE IS WORKING FOR A FEW MONTHS. IF IT'S ALL WORKING GOOD, WHY DO WE NEED TO SPEND THE MONEY ON ALL THAT TECHNOLOGY AND THE OTHER LOTS AND ON THE STREETS? THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL PARKING PLAN. MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE'VE GROWN UP WITH. AND AS SOON AS YOU PUT IT IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S JUST GONNA KEEP GETTING EXTENDED, EXTENDED, EXTENDED. AND PRETTY SOON IT'S ALL OF UPTOWN SEDONA IS GONNA BE RESTRICTED AND, AND I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITIZENS REALLY WANT IT THAT WAY. YOU KNOW, HAVING TO REGISTER ANYTIME SOMEBODY COMES OVER. UM, AND WHAT ELSE? I THINK IT IT'S DRIVEN BY THE CITY STAFF IN A WAY TO FUND THE PARKING GARAGE, BUT MAYBE WE CAN FUND THE PARKING GARAGE BY GETTING THE BUSINESSES TOGETHER AND PROMOTING PEOPLE TO PARK IN THE GARAGE. PINK JEEP HAS ALREADY SAID, THEY'LL PUT IT IN THEIR CONFIRMATION COPIES TO PARK IN THE GARAGE BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER THAN PARKING ON THE STREET, AND THEY COULD WALK RIGHT DOWN TO GET THEIR TOUR. AND THAT OPENS UP SOME OF THE STREET PARKING AT [03:30:01] THE METERS FOR OTHER TOURISTS TO STOP AND HOPEFULLY SHOP IN UPTOWN, WHICH WILL HELP THOSE SHOPS THAT ARE NOT ABLE TO AFFORD TO PAY RENT IN JULY. IT'S BEEN RUN AT ONE OF THE WORST SUMMERS. AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE TIME TO, TO ALL OF A SUDDEN START CHARGING MORE FOR THINGS. E EVEN OUR, OUR BUSINESS IS DOWN ON JORDAN, BUT WE CAN STILL TELL PEOPLE WE HAVE LIMITED PARKING ON SITE. IF YOU, UH, PARK IN THE GARAGE, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE HERE A WHILE, YOU CAN WALK DOWN TO MAIN STREET, GO DOWN, GET SOME ICE CREAM, STOP AT THE COWBOY CAFE, WELL FOR LUNCH, SPEND MORE TIME IN TOWN SO WE CAN PROMOTE IT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT TOO. SO I THINK IF THE BUSINESS IS PULLED TOGETHER, WE CAN GET THAT OCCUPANCY UP IN THE GARAGE TO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO CHARGE ON ALL THE SURFACE LOTS. THANKS, RICH GAY, YOU'RE NEXT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, DAVID KEY, UH, RESIDENT OF SEDONA, BUT HERE AS THE PRESIDENT, CE OF THE GREATER SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. I WANNA START BY APPLAUDING THE STAFF FOR STARTING A COMMITTEE, FOR STARTING ENGAGEMENT, FOR RESPECTING THE AUTONOMY OF THAT GROUP TO MAKE DECISIONS. WHETHER YOU WANNA PAY THE 25 BUCKS OR NOT. YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE INPUT ACROSS THE BOARD AND I THINK THAT KIND OF STRUCTURE JUST GIVES US A BETTER CHANCE OF COMING UP WITH REAL SOLUTIONS. AND I'VE EVEN HEARD SOME INTERESTING SOLUTIONS HERE TONIGHT, BUT I THINK THE MOST IN, UH, VALUABLE INSIGHT THAT I'VE HEARD, AND IT'S SO SIMPLE, BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERY PARKING SPACE HAS THE SAME VALUE. AND I THINK THE MORE THAT WE CAN LEAN ON THE ECONOMICS OF, AS DAVE MENTIONED, THE UNCOVERED LOTS, RIGHT? THE GARAGE IS REALLY PREMIUM PARKING FOR IDEALLY OUR VISITORS, RIGHT? I THINK IN INCREASING THE CAPACITY OF OUR PARKING PROXIMITY IS ALSO A FACTOR. SO IF THE PARKING SPOTS COVERED IN JULY, WE ALL KNOW THE VALUE OF THAT. PAY A FEW BUCKS FOR THAT. AND WE ALL KNOW THE VALUE OF THE PARKING ON THE MAIN STRIP, RIGHT? IT ALREADY GENERATES HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR. UM, AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONSISTENCY FACTOR, RIGHT? YOU WANNA CHARGE FARES THAT SEEM FAIR ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT DIFFERENT VALUE, DIFFERENT PRODUCT, I THINK CAN GET US AWAY FROM CONCERNS ABOUT THE GIFT CLAUSE AND REALLY STAY CLOSE TO THE RATIONALE OF ECONOMICS. AND THAT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE MY LANE. I'LL ALWAYS SPEAK TO IT. I KNOW Y'ALL AREN'T SURPRISED BY THAT, BUT I'LL KEEP SAYING IT BECAUSE IT, IT HAS TO BE RATIONAL OR IT HAS TO BE RATIONAL AND IT HAS TO BE DEFENSIBLE. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS WANNA STAY IN THE BOUNDS OF WHERE YOU SHOULD BE. AND OUR EXISTING PARKING SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THERE'S SO MUCH ECONOMIC, UH, ACTIVITY IN UPTOWN THAT WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANXIETY, UM, IN OUR EMPLOYEES' MINDS OF OUR EMPLOYERS. WE DON'T WANT TO THE POINT EARLIER TO SEE PEOPLE DEFECT AND YOU SEE A DIFFERENT FACE AT A BUSINESS EVERY FEW MONTHS BECAUSE THEY JUST GO WORK CLOSER TO HOME. SO WE DON'T WANNA SEE THAT AS THE CHAMBER. WE WANT EMPLOYEES TO FEEL VALUED, TO FEEL EMPOWERED. UM, BUT I REALIZE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, FACTORS AT PLAY HERE. SO WHILE WE DON'T WANNA SEE ANY INCREASES PLACED ON EMPLOYEES OR BUSINESSES, UM, YOU KNOW, EXPLORING THOSE FLAT RATES, EXPLORING THE DIFFERENT VALUES OF THE DIFFERENT, UH, PROPERTIES UNCOVERED VERSUS, YOU KNOW, MORE DEVELOPED, THE RATE SHOULD REALLY REFLECT THE VALUE OF THE PARKING PRODUCT AND RESERVE THE PREMIUM PRODUCT FOR THOSE VISITORS WHO ARE IDEALLY PAYING FOR A LOT OF THIS IN THE LONG TERM. SO ONCE THAT GARAGE OPENS, I'D SAY THAT'S WHEN THE SIX MONTHS SHOULD START. I THINK YOU GUYS COULD PROBABLY AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE DELAYS, THERE'S ALREADY SOME CONCERNS. BUT IF WE COULD START THAT TIMER, GET THAT REAL WORLD DATA, UNDERSTAND THE CONSUMER BEHAVIOR, AND AS ALWAYS LET US KNOW HOW WE CAN BE PARTNERS IN COLLECTING RELEVANT DATA WITH OUR SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY. UM, WE WANNA FIND SOLUTIONS, WE WANNA FIND WAYS THAT OUR EMPLOYEES FEEL VALUED AND NOT LIKE THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL DRAIN ON THEIR WAGE. THANK YOU. AND JOHN CORNELIUS AND ED KETTLER, RICH GAY, UH, RESIDENT OF UPTOWN. AND I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT SEVERAL THOUGHTS. FIRST, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING HERE AND TALKING TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS TO HAVE A HEALTHY DEMOCRACY IS PEOPLE NEED TO SHOW UP. RICH, YOU NEED TO TALK TO US. PEOPLE NEED TO SHOW UP. SO THANK YOU FOR SHOWING UP AND SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS. I ALWAYS FORGET ABOUT THE MICROPHONE. THANK YOU. SO, UH, A FEW THOUGHTS. ONE IS I LIVE IN UPTOWN. I LIVE IN THE ORCHARDS. WE, UH, SMALL LITTLE H-O-A-P-O-A THAT HAS NO SHORT TERM RENTALS. UH, BUT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT CARS COMING UP AND PARKING IN THE STREET AND, UH, ALL OF ALL OF THIS STUFF THAT COMES WITH THAT. BUT I'M STRUCK BY A THOUGHT HERE. THE REASON WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT IS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY MORE FREE PARKING IN UPTOWN ANYMORE, AND THERE'S UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WITH THAT. THE FIRST ONE IS, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS PICKING UP CARS. AND NOW WE GOTTA PUT TOGETHER A PROGRAM. HOW'S IT GONNA WORK? IS IT GONNA BE STICKERS? [03:35:01] IS IT GONNA BE BARCODE SCANNING WITH AN APP? WHAT DO WE DO WHEN THE HOUSE CLEANER COMES? WHAT DO WE DO WHEN THE PLUMBER COMES THE POOL SERVICE? WELL, THERE'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY SOME LOW FRICTION WAYS TO HANDLE THOSE THINGS THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU GUYS TONIGHT. BUT WE COULD, WE COULD TALK AND, AND COME UP WITH SOME WAYS TO DO THAT. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO REGISTER THE HOUSE CLEANER EVERY TIME THEY COME TO THE HOUSE. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THE POOL SERVICE THAT COMES EVERY WEEK, OR THE LANDSCAPER THAT COMES EVERY WEEK SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE REGISTERED. WE GOTTA BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE FRICTION IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS THING. OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SEVERAL THOUSAND VERY FRUSTRATED AND UPSET RESIDENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE BURNING UP YOUR PHONE LINES AND KNOCKING ON YOUR DOORS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT THE REASON THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, THIS KIND OF A PROGRAM IN THE FIRST PLACE IS BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NO MORE FREE PARKING PEOPLE, WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THEY'RE GONNA START GOING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO AVOID HAVING TO PAY FOR PARKING. I LIKE DAVE'S SUGGESTION, LET'S JUST CHARGE AT THE GARAGE. IF YOU GOTTA FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PAY IT OFF, DO IT WITH THE GARAGE REVENUE, BUT DON'T MAKE EVERYTHING ELSE PAID. I, I TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS DURING THE CAMPAIGN AND ACROSS TOWN. PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE IN UPTOWN ARE SAYING THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE COMING INTO UPTOWN AS OFTEN, OR MAYBE NEVER TO GET DINNER OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE NOW THEY GOTTA FACTOR IN PAYING FOR PARKING. IT JUST INCREASES THE COST. AND WE ALL KNOW DINING OUT IN SEDONA IS FAIRLY EXPENSIVE TO START. THAT'S THE COST OF LIVING IN A BEAUTIFUL PLACE. SO DAVE'S SUGGESTION IS A GOOD ONE. IF WE DON'T CHARGE FOR THE STREETS FOR THE LOTS, WE WON'T BE PUSHING PEOPLE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THEY WON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'VE GOTTA DO THAT TO SAVE SOME MONEY. AND I'LL JUST THROW OUT THERE, MAYBE WE SHOULD EVEN, I CAN SAY THIS 'CAUSE I'M NOT CAMPAIGNING ANYMORE, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER EVEN THE PARKING GARAGE BEING FREE. MANY COMMUNITIES BUILD A GARAGE IN THEIR DOWNTOWN HISTORIC AREAS AND SO FORTH, AND THEY DON'T CHARGE. IT'S A SUNK COST. THEY WANT TO IMPROVE THE EXPERIENCE, IMPROVE THE EXPERIENCE FOR VISITORS AND EX IMPROVE THE EXPERIENCE FOR RESIDENTS. SO JUST PUT THAT THOUGHT OUT THERE, THAT WOULD COMPLETELY CHANGE THE, THE, UH, THE CALCULATIONS. BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING ALL THIS TROUBLE, MAYBE IT'S WORTH IT. THANKS, JOHN. CORNELIUS, SEDONA. SO, UH, THE PARKING IN UPTOWN IS ACTUALLY JUST FINE. I'VE BEEN WORKING THERE FOR ALMOST EIGHT YEARS, AND I PARK BEHIND, UH, THE PLACE I WORK AT AND, UH, MY PERSONAL OBSERVATION OF AT LEAST THE STREET THAT I PARK IN. SURE, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO SHARE IT WITH VISITORS, WITH TOURISTS. UM, BUT IT'S EXTREMELY LOW ACTUALLY COMPARED TO HOW MANY RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES ARE PARKING ON THAT STREET THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, EVEN DURING THE BUSY TIMES. SURE, IT'S A LITTLE MORE TOURISM LIKE DURING SPRING BREAK AND HARDER TO FIND PARKING BACK THERE. UM, AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF A GIVEN, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, RESIDENTS, EMPLOYEES EVERY SINGLE MORNING, EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND WE HAVE TO COMPETE WITH EACH OTHER TO PARK THERE. BUT I THINK WE'RE KIND OF OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE AS A TOUR GUIDE, IF I HAVE TO LIKE, WALK FROM A PARKING GARAGE WITH TOOLS AND, YOU KNOW, SNAKE CATCHING STICKS AND ALL SORTS OF STUFF THAT I HAVE TO BRING ON MY JEEP, I'M GOING TO MY CAR, YOU KNOW, ABOUT FIVE TIMES BACK AND FORTH TO MY JEEP. AND THE FACT THAT I CAN PARK RIGHT BEHIND WHERE I WORK IS ESSENTIAL FOR ME AS AN EMPLOYEE OF THAT KIND OF BUSINESS. AND SO I CAN'T EVEN FATHOM, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO LIKE PULL THE JEEP AROUND TO THE PARKING GARAGE, WHICH IS PROBABLY ILLEGAL ANYWAYS. OR LIKE PULLING UP MY CAR FIRST AND LOADING ALL MY STUFF AND THEN HAVING TO GO AND PARK IN A GARAGE. AND, UH, YEAH, CAR PULLING IS NOT A THING. I JUST WANNA BRING THAT UP AGAIN. FLAGSTAFF, COTTONWOOD RIM ROCK, SEDONA. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A FALSE INCENTIVE FOR A LOT OF US. AND, UM, YEAH, MAYBE LET'S JUST DEAL WITH THE PARKING GARAGE FIRST FOR, UH, VISITORS AND INCENTIVIZE THEM TO GET IN THERE. SO, THANK YOU ED, I HAVE NO MORE CARDS, SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK AND THEY HAVEN'T, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD 'CAUSE THIS IS BE THE LAST SPEAKER. OTHERWISE, THANK YOU. UH, ED KETTLER SEDONA, UH, I'M JUST CURIOUS. I'VE HEARD A LOT OF THE SPEAKERS COME UP HERE, THE WORKERS AND STUFF, AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEND THEIR MONEY TO PARK IN THE CITY. AND I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM AN ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE. THE PRIMARY BENEFICIARY OF THEIR LABOR IS THEIR EMPLOYER. SO WHY AREN'T THE EMPLOYERS PICKING UP THE PARKING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES? THAT SEEMS TO ME TO BE SOMETHING I HAVE NOT HEARD BEING EXPLORED HERE AS AN OPTION. AND I KNOW MY BUDDY DAVE'S GOING TO HATE ME FOR THAT , BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING YOU OUGHT [03:40:01] TO THINK ABOUT IS WHY ARE THE EMPLOYEES BEARING ALL THE COST TO PARK AND NOT THEIR EMPLOYERS WHO ARE THE FIRST DIRECT BENEFICIARY IN THE ECONOMIC CHAIN. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND. THINK ABOUT IT. AND, SORRY, DAVE . OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT EMPLOYERS? OKAY, . SO ONE THING ABOUT THE PROGRAM THAT THE PARKING GROUP WORK GROUP IS BRINGING FORWARD IS THAT THERE HAD BEEN DISCUSSION RELATED TO BUSINESSES SUBSIDIZING EMPLOYEE COSTS, UM, THAT WAS NOT LEFT OUT OF DISCUSSION, AND IT'S STILL AN OPTION FOR BUSINESSES TO COVER COSTS FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING RESTRICTED FROM OPPORTUNITY IN THE PROGRAM. SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SORRY, COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN PLEASE. AH, KEVIN, PART OF THE WORKING GROUP COUNCIL. UM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT EMPLOYERS, BUT THE WHOLE PREMISE OF US GETTING TOGETHER WAS TO HELP DOWN, TO HELP UPTOWN HAVE LESS AMOUNT OF CARS COME UP. AND WE SAID IF EMPLOYERS STARTED PAYING FOR IT, THEN THE EMPLOYEES WOULD, WOULD NOT CARPOOL. THEY WOULD COME IN, IT WOULD NOT CUT DOWN THE TRAFFIC. AND THAT'S WHAT WE KIND OF DISCUSSED, THAT IT WOULDN'T HELP THE MAIN PURPOSE OF WHY WE WERE TOGETHER AS A GROUP. CORRECT. I'M NOT SURE I FOLLOWED THAT. UM, IF EMPLOYERS PAID, THEN THE EMPLOYEES WOULD, WOULD COME IN. THERE'S NO INCENTIVE FOR THEM. MAYBE THAT WAS IN EARLIER CONVERSATIONS PRIOR TO ME ARRIVING TO THE PARKING WORKING GROUP. IT WAS TWO, TWO MEETINGS AGO. IT WAS, BUT EMPLOYERS THEMSELVES, IT, IT WAS ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT IF EMPLOYERS WANTED TO SUBSIDIZE THEIR EMPLOYEE'S PARKING, THAT WAS AN OPTION. SO IT WASN'T NECESSARILY THAT, WELL, WELL LET ME, LET ME JUST JUMP IN. SO WE DIDN'T CREATE A FRAMEWORK THAT REQUIRED THE BUSINESSES TO CONTRIBUTE OR NOT. AND, AND MY ONLY POINT WAS THEY STILL CAN. AND, AND THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OF WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED FOR A STRUCTURE FOR THIS PROGRAM. YEAH, I'LL CHIME IN ON THIS BECAUSE THE OPINION, I BELIEVE THE OPINIONS IN THE WORKING GROUP VARY ON THIS TOPIC OF THE EXTENT TO WHICH EMPLOYERS DO BEAR A RESPONSIBILITY. AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN SAY FOR MYSELF THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY STRUGGLES IS YOU HAVE EMPLOYERS THAT DO PAY THROUGH THEIR LEASE OR THE FACT THAT THEY OWN THEIR BUILDING, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. THERE ARE EMPLOYERS THAT ARE PAYING FOR THE PARKING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES ALREADY. AND THEN THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ESSENTIALLY ARE FREE RIDING OFF OF WHAT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN A FREE, UH, PARKING SYSTEM. SO THAT IS A RELEVANT STRUGGLE. WHAT'S FAIR, WHAT, WHAT IS FAIR FOR THE, UH, EMPLOYER THAT ALREADY IS PROVIDING, UH, PARKING VERSUS THE ONE THAT ISN'T. SO, UM, SO YOUR POINT'S WELL TAKEN, ED. THANK YOU. UM, AND I SUSPECT THIS GROUP WILL PROBABLY BE CHATTING ABOUT IT SOME MORE DURING DISCUSSION, UH, HERE IN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES, ASK WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD? I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, FOR, I THINK FOR THE VICE MAYOR AND FOR KEVIN, UM, HOW YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, THE PARKING WORK GROUP WAS MADE UP OF, OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WITH A STAKE IN UPTOWN. HOW MANY, WHAT OPPORTUNITY WAS AFFORDED TO THE EMPLOYEES TO COME AND REALLY SPEAK? WHAT WAS THEIR REPRESENTATION AND HOW WERE THEY ABLE TO DIALOGUE ON SOME OF THESE AS THESE IDEAS WERE BEING VETTED BY THE GROUP? UM, SURE. I'LL GO FIRST. WE, IT STARTED OFF WITH DATA ANALYSIS AND WE ONLY GOT 75 PEOPLE OUT OF ALL UPTOWN WHEN WE FIRST DID THE DATA ANALYSIS. WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING. UM, IT WAS OPEN JUST TO OUR PARKING WORK GROUP AT THE TIME THAT WE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS. SO IF I COULD JUMP IN, AND I THINK YOU WOULD CONFIRM THIS, THAT MANY OF OUR BIGGER EMPLOYEES, UH, EMPLOYERS, I'M SORRY, UM, WE'RE SPEAKING WITH THEIR EMPLOYEES OUTSIDE OF THE PARKING WORK GROUP MEETING, AND THAT WAS COMING BACK TO US AS WELL. UM, AS FAR AS WHAT THEIR CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR EMPLOYEES WERE, YOU HAD NO DIRECT TESTIMONIALS FROM EMPLOYEES ONLY HAD ONLY FROM THEIR OWNER BOSS MANAGEMENT [03:45:01] RIGHT THERE, THERE WERE A FEW, UM, ATTENDEES OF OUR PARKING WORK GROUP, MANY MEETINGS, BUT I WILL ADMIT THAT THAT WASN'T A LOT MM-HMM . BUT THAT WASN'T INTENDED TO BE THE FORMAT OF THAT MEETING EITHER. RIGHT. SO OUR INTENT WAS THAT WE WERE MEETING WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THIS LARGE GROUP OF EMPLOYEES AND THAT THEY WERE COMMUNICATING WITH THEIR GROUP THAT WAS PART OF WHAT THE CITY WAS DOING TO HELP FACILITATE. AND I WOULD ADD SE 75, WHILE NOT A HUGE NUMBER, IS NOT INSIGNIFICANT EITHER AS FAR AS, UH, THE DATA COLLECTION THAT DID OCCUR. RIGHT. GO AHEAD, MIKEL. MIKEL. YEAH, SO I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THE PARKING WORK GROUP, BUT I CAN SHARE THAT IN APRIL, THE PARKING WORK GROUP DID SEND A SURVEY FOR ALL EMPLOYEES TO FILL OUT. I KNOW IT WAS WELL CIRCULATED, UM, AT MY PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT. AND IT DID PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ASSOCIATES WHO ENGAGE IN THE SURVEY TO GIVE COMMENTARY. UM, AND I SAW THAT ACTUALLY DID MAKE IT IN SOME OF THE DOCUMENTATION FROM THE PARKING WORK GROUP. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. THANKS. OKAY. WHO WANTS TO START WITH COMMENTS? GO AHEAD, DEREK. I WAS HOPING I'D GO LAST AND HEAR WHAT Y'ALL THOUGHT I, THE PARKING GARAGE AND THE PARKING SITUATION. IT SEEMS TO ME, YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN THIS ALL GOT STARTED, IT WAS THE UPTOWN BUSINESSES SAYING, YOU GOTTA DO SOMETHING ABOUT PARKING. YOU GOTTA DO SOMETHING ABOUT PARKING. SO NOW WE'RE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT PARKING, BUT THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING PART, PART OF THE BURDEN ON THE EMPLOYEES. AND YEAH, I FEEL LIKE THE BUSINESSES NEED TO STEP UP EITHER BY PAYING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES PARKING OR, YOU KNOW, PAYING THEIR EMPLOYEES MORE SO THAT THE PARKING IS COVERED. UM, I DID, I THINK I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY $75 A MONTH ISN'T THE PARKING RATE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR EMPLOYEES 25 A MONTH FOR A MONTHLY PASS? YEAH. NOW, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THAT COULD GO UP, BUT, UM, SO YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE BUSINESSES NEED TO STEP UP ON THAT. UM, I ALSO DON'T REALLY WANNA SEE ANY OF THIS STUFF IMPLEMENTED UNTIL THE GARAGE IS ACTUALLY OPEN AND FUNCTIONAL. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, SO NOW YOU GET TO START PAYING FOR THIS AND YOU GET TO START PAYING FOR THAT. I MEAN, HOW MANY MONTHS ARE WE FROM THE GARAGE ACTUALLY OPENING? UM, I PREFER KIND OF THE WAIT AND SEE APPROACH, BOTH WITH THE EMPLOYEE PARKING, DEFINITELY WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING PROGRAM. I THINK WE WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. I DO WANT TO BE READY, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GUYS ARE PLANNING TO BE, SO THAT IF THE RESIDENTS, AS I EXPECT THEY WILL START SAYING, PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, THAT WE CAN BE READY TO ACT. BUT I JUST, I DON'T SEE THE POINT IN IMPLEMENTING THIS PIECEMEAL. I THINK WE WAIT UNTIL THE GARAGE IS OPEN AND ALL OF THIS IS DONE IN ONE FELL SWOOP. UM, TO THE EXTENT WE CAN DO SO CONSISTENT WITH THE GIFT CLAUSE, I WANT TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON EMPLOYEES. UM, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, THIS, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID, IF IT GETS TOO EXPENSIVE TO COME WORK HERE, THEY'LL JUST STAY IN COTTON WATER, THEY'LL STAY IN FLAGSTAFF. AND I MEAN, WE SEE THAT ALL THE TIME WITH HOUSING. WE SEE THAT WITH A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. SO, I MEAN, I, I DO WANT TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON EMPLOYEES. UM, ANOTHER POINT I WANNA MAKE IS I HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING, WELL, I PARK BEHIND MY BUS, THE BUSINESS WHERE I WORK, OR I PARK HERE, I PARK THERE. WE'RE NOT TAKING THOSE SPOTS AWAY. I MEAN, UNLESS THESE ARE AREAS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING PROGRAM, WE'RE NOT TAKING SPOTS. WE'RE NOT TELLING PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN'T PROVIDE PARKING TO THEIR EMPLOYEES. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW, AND I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY SURVEYED THE SITUATION UP THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHO CAN PARK AT THEIR BUSINESS AND WHO CAN'T. BUT, UH, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TAKING AWAY THESE SPOTS. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW. I I AM NOT INCLINED TO VOTE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AT THIS POINT BECAUSE AGAIN, I WANNA SEE THE GARAGE, I WANNA SEE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE GARAGE, AND I WANNA SEE WHATEVER WE IMPLEMENT. I WANT TO SEE IT ALL GOING IN AT ONE TIME. WELL, IT'S, I THINK HE HAS A COMMENT. YEAH, MY THOUGHTS, BUT GO AHEAD. UM, I, I DID HAVE A QUESTION ON, ON YOU JUST SO I CAN GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. UM, SO YOU, YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO LET THE GARAGE OPEN. ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE STILL CHARGE THE FEES FOR THE GARAGE? OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THE GARAGE HAS GOTTA PAY FOR IT. SO THE OTHER OPEN SURFACE LOTS, [03:50:01] THEY STAY FREE. NOT NECESSARILY FREE, BUT I THINK THAT IF THERE'S STUFF THAT'S GONNA BE RESERVED FOR EMPLOYEES, I WANT TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE COST TO, TO EMPLOYEES. IF IT'S, IF IT'S EMPLOYEE ONLY, I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED FREE LOTS FOR TOURISTS, BUT IF WE'VE GOT LOTS THAT ARE DEDICATED EMPLOYEE LOTS AND WE CAN, WITH MONIQUE'S PERMISSION, NOT CHARGE TOO MUCH FOR PEOPLE TO USE 'EM, I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, SEE US DO THAT TO THE EXTENT WE CAN. UM, BUT NO, THE GARAGE HAS GOTTA PAY FOR ITSELF. I, I DON'T AGREE WITH, WITH RICH THAT THE GARAGE IS A SUNK COST THAT THING'S GOTTA PAY FOR ITSELF. AND, UH, WE REALIZE IT'S MOSTLY GONNA BE TOURISTS AND SEDONA IS AN EXPENSIVE PLACE, BUT I FOR THE MOST PART, DON'T THINK PEOPLE GO ON VACATION BASED ON HOW EXPENSIVE PARKING IS. I MEAN, PARKING'S GONNA BE THE LEAST OF THE WORRIES FOR ANYBODY WHO COMES HERE AND STARTS SPENDING MONEY. SO, BUT THE GARAGE HAS GOTTA PAY FOR ITSELF. WE GET WHAT WE CAN OUT THE GARAGE AND TRY TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON OUR EMPLOYEES. MONIQUE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. IF WE HAD LOT FIVE, I'M SAYING FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT AWAY, NOT A GREAT LOT, NOT CONVENIENT, NOT AS ACCESSIBLE, AND WE MADE THAT WHOLE LOT EMPLOYEE PARKING AND WE RATIONALIZED IT WITH, WITH, WE WOULDN'T CONSIDER IT A SUBSIDY. WE'D CONSIDER PARKING MANAGEMENT. AND WOULD WE AND DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM THE GOOD PARKING, RIGHT? THE, THE EASY PARKING, THE CLOSER PARKING. COULD THAT NOT BE A FREE LOT? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT CAME UP, AND I I I THINK THAT GUILLERMO MIGHT HAVE ALREADY TAKEN THIS INTO ACCOUNT ON THE PARKING RATES, IS THAT NOT ALL PARKING LOTS, NOT ALL PARKING SPACES ARE CREATED EQUAL. SO IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ONE LOT WHERE IT'S DETERMINED, YOU KNOW, THAT LOT IS SO FAR OUT, IT SHOULD NOT BE THE SAME AS THE GARAGE. I MEAN THERE, I THINK THERE IS SOME VARIATION WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING, UM, FEE STRUCTURE. SO YOU THINK IT'S POSSIBLE IT COULD BE A FREE LOT FOR EMPLOYEES? I THINK IF THE DATA, UH, PROVED IT, UH, YES. BUT IF WE'RE CHARGING, YOU KNOW, $5 FOR PRIME LOT, UH, FOR VISITORS, AND THEN WE'RE ALLOWING, UH, EMPLOYEES TO PARK IN THAT SAME LOT FOR FREE, THAT THAT'S WHERE IT, IT COULD BE CONSIDERED A SUBSIDY. OKAY. SO THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT NUANCE. THIS IS WHERE I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SIDE BY SIDE, AND I DON'T KNOW JACKSON IF YOU HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THIS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I A I WAS AT LOW BEAR'S FOR THE CHAMBER EVENT AND I ASKED ALL THE PEOPLE JUST, HELLO, YOU'RE AN EMPLOYEE HERE. WHERE DO YOU PARK? THEY TELL ME THEY PARK AT LOT FIVE. WELL, LOT FIVE IS NOT ALL THAT CONVENIENT TO LOW BEARS. THEY ALL PARK THERE, OR AT LEAST THE PEOPLE I ASKED PARK THERE. AND THEY SEEM PRETTY HAPPY AND COMFORTABLE PARKING THERE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT THE MOST CONVENIENT TO WHERE THEY WORK. SO IF WE DESIGNATED A LOT AND IT, AND IT WASN'T IN THAT ENTIRE LOT, HOW MANY SPACES ARE THERE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN, IN, IN LOT? FIVE SEVENTY, EIGHTY, ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY EIGHT. OKAY. 138. WELL THAT'S EVEN BETTER. AND MADE THAT ALL EMPLOYEE PARKING FOR FREE. WOULD THAT BE OKAY WITH YOU? WELL, WE'RE WAITING FOR HIM TO WALK, BUT THERE ARE BUSINESSES ON THE NORTH END OF UPTOWN THAT, THOSE ARE PRIME SPOTS, OUR PRIME SPOTS TO PARK FOR MATTERHORN. AND SO IF YOU, IF YOU MADE THOSE CLOTHES OH YEAH. TO THE PUBLIC, THEN YOU'RE IMPACTING BUSINESSES ON THE NORTH END OF, WHY WOULDN'T THEY BE ABLE TO PARK THERE? BECAUSE YOU SAID IT WAS EMPLOYEE ONLY. THEIR CUSTOMERS COULDN'T PARK THERE. OH, THEIR, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM ALL IN THE GARAGE. RIGHT. , BUT TO THAT TAKING AWAY 138 PUBLIC SPOTS. YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT UP WITH THE GARAGE. JUST, WELL, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE EMPLOYEE PARKING WAS A HUNDRED AND WHAT, AND I'M JUST USING IT AS AN EXAMPLE, BY THE WAY. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT, BUT, WELL, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TOTALLY FREE EITHER, BUT I MEAN, AS NOMINAL AS WE CAN, HOW MANY, I'M TRYING TO FIND THAT SLIDE WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW MANY SPACES THERE WOULD BE FOR EMPLOYEES. IT WAS 20 SOMETHING TOO. THERE'S 205 TOTAL. NO, NOT IN THAT LOT. THE TOTAL 205. TWO FIVE. OKAY. I'M TALKING ABOUT 138. SO IT'S NOT LIKE, [03:55:01] I DON'T KNOW, WE CAN STILL, WE CAN STILL ADD THE PARK AND RIGHT OPTION. THERE'S A WAY WE CAN STILL ADD THE PARK AND RIGHT OPTION TO SHUTTLE PEOPLE IN, WHICH WOULD BE FREE FOR, UM, EMPLOYEES AND THE CITY WOULD BE SUBSIDIZING THEIR FAIR BECAUSE NO, YOU CAN'T USE THE WORD SUBSIDIZE. IT'S A BAD WORD. . OKAY. THE CITY WOULD BE PROMOTING ITS PARKING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM BY PROVIDING, SO WE WOULD BE PROVIDING A FREE FARE FOR THE EMPLOYEE TO SHUTTLE INTO UPTOWN AND BACK, AND THEY WOULD HAVE A DESIGNATED SPOT RESERVED FOR THEM WITH THE PARK AND RIDE OPTION. SO THAT COULD, THAT COULD ADD ANOTHER 20 OR 30 SPOTS IF WE CHOOSE TO GO THAT DIRECTION. IF I MAY, SINCE YOU INVITED ME UP HERE, I'LL KEEP IT QUICK. YES. BUT YOU SUGGESTED, I MEAN, I, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS AND SAY, OH, WE COULD DO THIS SUBSIDIZED RIDE. BUT THE THING IS, IS I HEARD THE OTHER DAY, JUST LABOR ALONE HAS 45 EMPLOYEES THAT COMMUTE FROM FLAGSTAFF. THAT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT THEIR OTHER 250 WHATEVER EMPLOYEES. THE IDEA OF A SUBSIDIZED RIDE AND A, YOU KNOW, A PARK AND RIDE IS PRETTY GOOD. BUT REALLY FOR JUST SPEAKING FROM AN EMPLOYEE STANDPOINT, FREE IS THE BEST. THAT IS GOING TO BE YOUR BEST OPTION. SO IF YOU JUST HAVE THAT BIG LOT OVER THERE, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE WALKING ALL THE WAY OVER THERE FROM BERGH. I KNOW PERSONALLY ASKING A LOT OF PEOPLE I WORK WITH, THEY'D BE PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH THAT. INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DRIVE TO SOMEWHERE THERE'S A SHUTTLE, THERE'S GONNA BE HALF ANOTHER 20, 30 MINUTES TO GET TO YOUR PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT. THAT'S JUST GONNA TAKE EVEN LONGER. ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF PEOPLE COMMUTING FROM FLAG SALE, WHICH I REPRESENT. IF I HAVE AN EIGHT O'CLOCK TOUR, I GOTTA LEAVE MY HOUSE AT SIX 50. IF MY ONLY OPTION IS A, A FREE OR SUBSIDIZED OR WHATEVER WORD I'M SUPPOSED TO USE, SHUTTLE, I GOTTA LEAVE MY HOUSE AT SIX O'CLOCK IN ADDITION TO THE 1 38 IN ADDITION. OKAY, WELL I'M JUST IN ADDITION, NOT IN LIEU OF REALLY ALL I'M SAYING IS I KNOW THAT PEOPLE LOVE TO COME TO YOU WITH PROBLEMS. I'LL COME TO YOU WITH A SOLUTION, FREE PARKING FOR EMPLOYEES. IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. IT'S REALLY NOT TOO HARD TO FIGURE OUT. JUST DESIGNATE A LOT. MAYBE YOU MIGHT NEED A BIGGER LOT OR A SECOND LOT EVENTUALLY, BUT SAYING, HEY, WE'LL GIVE YOU THIS FREE LOT AND WE'RE NOT GONNA CHARGE YOU $25, WHICH WILL EVENTUALLY BALLOON UP TO 75 OR $80 BECAUSE THE PARKING GARAGE HAS ALREADY BALLOONED UP TO NEARLY 40 MILLION. THE BEST SOLUTION FOR EMPLOYEES WHO COME TO WORK IN SEDONA, IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO CONTINUE TO COME AND WORK IS FREE PARKING. I'LL PRINT IT ON A BUMPER STICKER, PUT ALL OVER TOWN. JUST SO YOU REMEMBER, FREE PARKING IS YOUR BEST OPTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JACKSON. MAYOR, MAYOR, I ALSO, I DON'T WANNA PUSH ALL OF THE EMPLOYEE PARKING TO LIKE THE LEAST DESIRABLE PLACE WE CAN FIND. I MEAN, THERE ARE DIFFERENT ENDS OF UPTOWN, SO TO THE EXTENT WE CAN SPREAD IT AROUND A LITTLE BIT SO PEOPLE CAN BE SOMEWHAT CLOSE TO THEIR, I MEAN EASIER SAID THAN, THAN DONE PROBABLY, BUT IT FEELS A LITTLE BIT LIKE THE, LET'S BUILD THE HOUSING AT THE DEVILS ARGUMENT. LET'S PUT 'EM OFF OUT OF THE WAY. OR WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT 'EM. WELL, IT'S GETTING THROUGH THE GIFT CLAUSE. YOU HAVE TO FIGURE THESE WORKAROUNDS TO MAKE YOUR CASE. NO, I GET THAT. BUT I MEAN AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE. COULD WE CHARGE AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE FOR THE PARKING JUST TO COVER THE COST OF THAT LOT AND HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW THIN COULD WE SPREAD THAT SO THAT IT DIDN'T PUT A BIG BURDEN ON IT? I, I DON'T KNOW. I JUST, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO TELL EVERYBODY. I MEAN, AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS TO, WHO WENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA AND HAD TO PARK AND WALK LIKE TWO MILES TO CLASS, I, IT'S NOT FUN. AND YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME HERE TO WHO COME HERE TO WORK, THE LAST THING THEY WANNA DO IS LEAVE AN HOUR EARLY SO THAT THEY CAN TAKE A SHUTTLE. AND I'M NOT SAYING SOME PEOPLE WON'T DO IT, BUT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PARK IN SOMEWHAT PROXIMITY TO WHERE THEY WERE. WE'LL SEE, THAT'S WHY LOT FIVE IS IN PROXIMITY, JUST AS AN EXTENT, PROXIMITY ISH. CHARLOTTE, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, PARTICULAR CASE MEANING THE EMPLOYEE PARKING, YOU HAD ALREADY SAID IT WOULD BE A SIX MONTH TRIAL PERIOD AFTER THE GARAGE IS OPEN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALMOST A YEAR FROM NOW, GIVING IT THAT MUCH TIME TO LET THINGS SHAKE OUT, SEE WHAT THE USAGE IS, HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY INSTALLED, BE ABLE TO GET SOME DATA FROM IT, AND THEN MAKE A DECISION ON EMPLOYEE PARKING. WE WEREN'T GONNA BE GETTING ANY REVENUE DURING THAT PERIOD ANYWAY. IT, IT'S NOT A DECISION THAT WOULD TAKE THAT LONG TO MAKE, BUT I THINK I DO THINK KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD FOR THIS ONE MIGHT MAKE SENSE. I, I LIKE I GO BY LOT [04:00:01] FIVE QUITE OFTEN AND VERY RARELY IS IT EVEN MINIMALLY FILLED, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF CAPACITY THERE WITHOUT KICKING OUT, UH, TOURISTS WHO MIGHT WANNA BE PARKING THERE. JUST REMEMBER THAT THE POTENTIAL REVENUE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS $62,000 AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT GIVING ME BIG PALPITATIONS HERE. RIGHT, OF COURSE. AND I'M SORRY I, I DON'T MEAN TO BELITTLE ANYBODY, BUT $2 A DAY. WHEN I HEARD THAT, I THOUGHT, OH MY GOSH, WHO COULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH $2 A DAY? IT SEEMS SO MINIMAL AND, AND GRANTED EVERYTHING GOES UP OVER TIME AND YOU CAN GET NICKELED AND DIMED OVER MANY THINGS, BUT $2 JUST DIDN'T SEEM LIKE A PROBLEM TO ME. BUT IF IT'S REALLY A PROBLEM AND FREE IS THE ANSWER, , LET'S WORK ON TRYING TO MAKE IT FREE. I MEAN, WHY NOT? I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THAT $25, UM, PAY TO PLAY THING. , I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THAT. WE DON'T CHARGE OTHER CITY WORK GROUPS MONEY TO PARTICIPATE AND I, I JUST, I DO NOT SEE IT WHATSOEVER. AND I KNOW IT WASN'T A STAFF RECOMMENDATION ANYWAY, IT WAS JUST, YOU'RE JUST REPORTING IT. UM, I'M TOTALLY AGAINST IT, KATHY. I'M TOTALLY AGAINST IT TOO. UM, I, IN FACT, I WAS THE MOTION, UH, MARRYING EMPLOYEE PARKING PLAN AND THE RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PARKING I THINK IS PROBABLY CLUMSY BECAUSE THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. BECAUSE IF I HAD TO VOTE ONE WAY, I WOULD VOTE AGAINST THE WHOLE THING BASED ON THE $25 FEE, UM, FOR BEING PART OF THE ADVISORY GROUP GOING FORWARD. AND I KNOW THAT IT, IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL THEN GROUP, BUT THEY'RE TAKING IT ON THEIR OWN AND IT'S NOT A WORK GROUP OF THE CITIES. BUT IN PRACTICALITY IT IS BECAUSE THEY WOULD STILL BE COMMENTING AND GIVING FEEDBACK ON A CITY PRO PARKING PROGRAM. UM, AND I DO NOT LIKE THE PERCEPTION THAT MORE WEIGHT WOULD BE GIVEN TO SOMEBODY WHO IS PAYING FOR THE RIGHT TO GET THE EAR RATHER THAN THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHO GETS TO, YOU KNOW, OPINE AND LOBBY AS MUCH AS THEY WANT TO. SO BASED ON THAT ALONE, I WOULD BE VOTING NO AGAINST THIS ENTIRE MOTION. THAT ASIDE, I ALSO THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE, UM, TALK ABOUT THERE IS A COST BURDEN TO EMPLOYEES. I ONCE HAD A JOB WHERE I HAD A LONGER COMMUTE AND I HAD A VERY EXPENSIVE BRIDGE TOLL ON THAT COMMUTE. MY EMPLOYER PAID, I PAID MY GAS AND MY REGULAR COMMUTING. MY EMPLOYER PAID MY BRIDGE TOLLS FOR ME. UM, I HAD ANOTHER JOB ONE TIME WHERE I HAD TO PAY PARKING FOR MY JOB. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ALL DIFFERENT GAMUT, YOU KNOW, RUNS THE GAMUT. BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT, WHERE EMPLOYERS WOULD STEP UP TO SUPPORT EMPLOYEES IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF A FEE. BECAUSE, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN FLESHED OUT ENOUGH. SO BASED ON THAT, I WOULD VOTE AGAINST THIS. UM, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE THAT THE PROGRAM AS OUTLINED CURRENTLY, AND I I, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS, UH, A DEAD, YOU KNOW, THIS DOESN'T KILL IT COMPLETELY, BUT IT'S NOT READY AND IT'S NOT READY FOR IMPLEMENTATION YET ANYWAY. SO I THINK IT'S CUMBERSOME, UM, THE WAY IT IS AND I THINK THAT THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT. BUT I THINK THAT SINCE IT'S NOT READY FOR IMPLEMENTATION, THAT I WOULD PREFER TO WAIT COMPLETELY ON IT AND SEE WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE GARAGE IS AND WHAT THE PRESSURE ON THE RESIDENTIAL AREA FROM EMPLOYEE PARKING IS. AND I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S CART BEFORE THE HORSE, I, I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER, BUT I SEE THESE AS MORE, UM, LINEAR IN TERMS OF WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT ELSE IS GONNA HATCH'S DOMINOES, RIGHT? SO, UM, I WOULD BE VOTING NO AGAINST ALL OF THIS. WELL, I'M AT A LOSS TO UNDER UNDERSTAND REALLY WHAT MY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE SOME OBJECTIONS HERE WANT TO SEE HAPPEN. THAT AND, AND WHEN IT CAN HAPPEN. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK PUT INTO THIS BY A LOT OF PEOPLE, NOT JUST CITY STAFF. THERE'S BUSINESS PEOPLE AND EMPLOYEES OR WHOEVER ENGAGED IN THE, IN THE PROCESS EMPLOYEE SURVEY. THIS IS ALL A BIG EXPERIMENT. I MEAN, THE ORIGINAL MISTAKE WAS WE ALLOWED BUSINESSES TO SET UP HERE IN TOWN WITHOUT PROVIDING EMPLOYEE PARKING. WE HAVE TO FIX THAT PROBLEM BECAUSE WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PARKING IN UPTOWN. IT WAS NEVER OKAY FOR A BUSINESS TO OPEN WITHOUT PROVIDING THEIR [04:05:01] EMPLOYEES AN OPTION FOR PARKING. IT JUST WASN'T. WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD SOMEHOW TO RECTIFY THAT. AND ANY PROGRAM THIS PROGRAM HAS CONCEIVED NOW, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN SOME TESTIMONY HERE THAT IT'S A BURDEN FOR THESE EMPLOYEES AND THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE PUTTING, UH, UH, PRESSURE ON THEIR EMPLOYERS AND THE, IT'S A MARKET PRESSURE THAT THE EMPLOYER, EMPLOYERS ARE GONNA HAVE TO REACT TO. SO I DO SUSPECT THAT WE ARE GONNA SEE SOME EMPLOYER SUBSIDIZATION OF THEIR EMPLOYEES TO PAY FOR THIS THING OVER TIME. IT'S A MARKET PRESSURE. IT TAKES TIME. BUT THAT'S HOW OUR WORLD WORKS. SO I, I WAS OKAY WITH RUNNING THIS BIG EXPERIMENT. MY ORIGINAL GOAL FOR THIS WHOLE DARN THING WAS TO RELIEVE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION, IMPROVE SAFETY IN THE UPTOWN RESIDENTIAL AREAS OF OUR TOWN, AND WE ARE GONNA PROVIDE A PARKING GARAGE, CONSOLIDATE PARKING. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CONSOLIDATE PARKING. TONY NOT HERE TODAY HAS A BIG ROLE IN OUR FUTURE ABOUT HOW WE CHANGE RULES SO THAT SOME OF THESE PRIVATE PARKING LOTS THAT WE WANTED TO SEE, UH, CHANGE TO SOME HIGHER AND BETTER COMMERCIAL USE. I HEARD FROM LOTS OF UPTOWN RESIDENTS THAT THEY WANTED MORE BUSINESSES IN UPTOWN THAT CATERED JUST TO THEM, PERHAPS MORE SO THAN EMPLOYEE, THAN UH, VISITORS. AND THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA DO THAT IS TO PROVIDE SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE BUSINESS SPACE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE CONSOLIDATION WAS FOR ME, WAS ANSWERING THAT QUESTION OF THE DEMAND I HEARD FROM UPTOWN RESIDENTS AS WELL. SO THIS WHOLE THING IS EXPERIMENT. I WAS READY TO MOVE FORWARD. I HEAR SOME OBJECTIONS, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT TO HAPPEN IN PLACE OF THAT. IF I COULD HEAR SOME SPECIFIC STEPS, I MIGHT BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, BUT I JUST HEAR WHAT DOES SOUNDS TO ME LIKE KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. THE GARAGE ISN'T GONNA OPEN TILL DECEMBER, JANUARY, I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU EXPECTED. I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU EXPECTED TO START CHARGING FOR PARKING. UH, THE PARKING FOR EMPLOYEES WAS NOT GOING TO BE CHARGED UNTIL SIX MONTHS AFTER THE PARKING GARAGE WAS ALREADY OPEN AND DATA WAS COLLECTED AND ANALYZED. SO THAT CHARGING WAS GONNA HAPPEN AFTER THE GARAGE WAS OPEN. WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO PREVIOUS TO THAT WAS INSTALL ALL OF THE TECHNOLOGY AND SIGNAGE, RIGHT, TO DEDICATE EMPLOYEE PARKING LOTS. SO IT WAS GOING TO BE EMPLOYEES PARKING IN THOSE LOTS. AND WE WOULD BE COLLECTING THAT DATA FOR THE DEMAND, THEN ADJUST ACCORDINGLY WITH THE LOTS. AND AFTER SIX MONTHS, WE WOULD CONVEY WITH THE PARKING ADVISORY GROUP AND REVIEW OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS SHOW OUR DATA TO SEE WHAT, WHAT DIRECTION WE SHOULD GO WITH AND WHAT TWEAKS WE NEED TO MAKE TO THE PROGRAM. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. I UNDER, THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVED. THIS IS GONNA BE INCREMENTAL. AND THE PART, THE EMPLOYEE PARKING PROPOSAL YOU HAVE HERE IS SCATTERED THROUGHOUT TOWN. IT'S NOT CONCENTRATED IN ONE SPOT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS THOUGHTFUL AS WELL. IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO START AS ANY, INSTEAD OF IT WIPING THE SLATE CLEAN AND TELLING SOMEBODY TO COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT PROPOSAL THAT I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT PROPOSAL IS GONNA LOOK LIKE. WE GOTTA START MOVING SOMEWHERE. SO I I, YOU KNOW, I I I WOULD LOOK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY FROM MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT I'M HAPPY TO GIVE YOU CLARITY FROM ME. FIRST OF ALL, REMOVE THE $25 FEE. THAT IS, YOU ASKED FOR SOMETHING SAYING, WE'RE NOT SAYING CONCRETE. WELL, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SPEAK TO THAT. THAT'S CONCRETE. SO THAT, THAT I'M, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK ABOUT THAT. I'M INTRIGUED. THIS WHOLE THING IS EXPERIMENT THAT PERHAPS IS ANOTHER EXPERIMENT. YES, I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE THAT IF IT WAS A CITY SPONSORED GROUP OF PEOPLE, UH, WE SHOULDN'T BE CHARGING MONEY FOR DOING THAT. BUT IF IT'S THIS PRIVATELY ORGANIZED GROUP OF FOLKS THAT WANNA CHARGE THEMSELVES $25 A YEAR FOR A MEMBERSHIP, WHAT THE HECK? THEY, THEY'RE NOT MAKING DECISIONS. THEY'RE JUST GONNA ASK REPORT TO STAFF WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE AND GIVE COUNCIL SOME FEEDBACK AND ANYONE ELSE CAN COME TO A MEETING AND WE'RE NOT RESTRICTING OR WE'RE NOT GONNA WEIGH ANYONE'S OPINION ANY LARGER THAN OTHERS. I DON'T, I, YOU KNOW, I WAS OKAY WITH THAT AS AN EXPERIMENT TOO. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW IT, IT GOES. I WAS WILLING, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT MARRIED TO THAT EITHER. I, I REALLY DON'T CARE. I WAS IMPRESSED THAT A GROUP SET THEMSELVES THAT WE WANNA CHARGE OURSELVES A LITTLE MEMBERSHIP FOR OUR GROUP. SO, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T CARE, BRIAN. OKAY, PLEASE GO TO SLIDE NINE. [04:10:03] OKAY. HERE'S WHAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED AND LET'S TALK THIS THROUGH BECAUSE IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S MISUNDERSTANDINGS OF WHAT'S BEEN CLEARLY PRESENTED HERE. SO SIX MONTHS MONITORING AND EVALUATION, NO FEES. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE WORKING GROUP FOR QUITE SOME TIME IS MONITOR, LET'S GET MONITORING, LET'S START MONITORING NOW AS THE TECHNOLOGY IS PROCURED AND INSTALLED. SO, CAN WE DO THAT? CAN WE AGREE ON THAT? I RECOMMEND THAT WE DO. UM, SECONDLY, SURE, WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK ON CARPOOLING. I THINK SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT SPOKE, UH, THAT OUR EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, ARE SKEPTICAL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF CONTRIBUTION IT'LL MAKE. AND I DON'T THINK THE WORKING GROUP EXPECTS THAT IT'S A PANACEA FOR, YOU KNOW, MEANINGFULLY DROPPING THE AMOUNT OF CARS COMING IN. BUT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, WELL, LET'S START MONITORING AND THAT'S A, A GOOD STARTING PLACE. AND IN TERMS OF THE FEES, UM, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING MORE CONVERSATION WITH THE, THE BUSINESSES. I THINK TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN LOWER, UH, THE $25 PARKING FEE, UH, I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME BENCHMARKING DONE THAT SUGGESTS THERE'S OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE CHARGED LESS. SO THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE COULDN'T POTENTIALLY CHARGE LESS. AND AGAIN, SPEAK TO THE EMPLOYERS ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, LOOK, IF WE'RE WILLING TO REDUCE THAT FEE, WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO IF YOU ARE AN EMPLOYER THAT DOESN'T OTHERWISE PROVIDE PARKING? BECAUSE THAT IS STILL A KEY POINT OF FAIRNESS. SOME EMPLOYERS PROVIDE PARKING, OTHERS DON'T, AND THERE'S A FREE RIDER CONCEPT THAT'S GOING ON THERE THAT IS INHERENTLY UNFAIR TO THOSE EMPLOYERS WHO DO PROVIDE PARKING. SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THOSE EMPLOYERS THAT ARE FREE WRITING RIGHT NOW BE THE ONES THAT PUT THE SKIN IN MORE SO THAN THE EMPLOYEES. AND I'M ALL FOR ANY CREATIVITY TO ALLAY ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE GIFT CLAUSE. UH, I I I, I COULD MAKE ARGUMENTS ALL DAY LONG ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY WE SHOULD, UH, WHY THE GIFT CLAUSE IS NOT GONNA, UH, BE AN IMPACT IF WE'RE SEEKING TO MINIMIZE THE COST FOR EMPLOYEES. THE OTHER PIECE, UH, ON SLIDE 11 THAT GETS AT THIS ADVISORY GROUP THING, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES WHO'VE SAID, LIKE, YOU KNOW, VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO THAT, IT MAKES NO SENSE AS LONG AS THE CITY IS THE SPONSORING ENTITY, AS LONG AS THE CITY IS THE FACILITATING ENTITY, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT WHATSOEVER. AND, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S GONNA TURN INTO A, YOU KNOW, UPTOWN MANAGED LED ORGANIZATION, IF YOU WANNA CHARGE THE FEE, GREAT. BUT YOU COULD ALSO SET UP A SET OF RULES THAT SIMPLY SAY, IF YOU MISS MORE THAN X NUMBER OF MEETINGS, YOU'RE OUT, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, UH, APPLY FOR MEMBERSHIP, WHATEVER. AND THERE'S ONE IN TWO YEAR TERMS. SO YOU HAVE A, A STAGGER OF INVOLVEMENT AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING. BUT, UM, THE IDEA OF, UH, THE CITY FACILITATING AND CHARGING A FEE, I JUST, I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU JUST SAID, COUNSELOR, PETE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THIS IS A GOOD, UH, STAB AT LET'S START COLLECTING DATA AND GATHERING INTELLIGENCE AND HAVING BETTER INSIGHT INTO THE, THE PARKING BEHAVIORS OF OUR EMPLOYEES. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? GO AHEAD. SO THE SIX, UH, GO BACK A SLIDE, I THINK ONE SLIDE, TWO SLIDES. YEP. SO DURING THIS SIX MONTH MONITORING PERIOD, YOU THEN COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS THE DATA AND THIS IS WHAT WE THINK WE SHOULD CHARGE OR HAVE TO CHARGE, OR WHAT'S THE, THE CHARGE WAS $2 FOR SINGLE OCCUPANCY AND $25 PER MONTH. IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED FURTHER. UM, WELL THAT'S MY QUESTION IS THE SIX MONTH MONITORING. THE SIX MONTH MONITORING WAS TO ADJUST THE PARKING DEMAND WHERE, AND THE TIMES AND HOW FULL THE LOTS WERE, BECAUSE MAYBE SOME OF THESE LOTS DON'T NEED TO BE USED AS EMPLOYEE PARKING AND WE CAN TRANSFER THEM TO VISITOR PARKING, OR MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EMPLOYEE PARKING AND WE NEED TO FIND MORE AREAS. SO THE, THE ANALYSIS WAS TO SEE, TO DETECT THE DEMAND AND THE TIMES THAT THESE, THESE PEAK TIMES WHEN THESE LOTS WOULD BE FULL. [04:15:01] THE, THE PAY, THE, THE FEES WERE GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED AT SIX MONTHS ONCE WE ORGANIZE EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT, UH, INITIALLY THE FEE WAS NOT PART OF A DISCUSSION TO ADJUST, BUT THIS PROGRAM IS 100% FLUID. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE ADVISORY GROUP, BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT DEMAND DOES CHANGE EVEN HERE IN SEDONA DURING PEAK TIMES AND DURING O OFF PEAK TIMES, THE DEMAND FOR PARKING IS DIFFERENT. SO THESE ARE ALL DISCUSSIONS THAT, THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE ADJUSTING THE PROGRAM. AND PETE, I'M NOT, I WASN'T SAYING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. I WAS JUST SAYING LET'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S SPREAD THIS OUT AND I MEAN, AND I MISSED THAT. I MISSED THIS. WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR PROPOSAL? WELL, NO, NO. I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT I WANT TO, I, I MISSED THE SIX MONTH I THAT I DIDN'T MAKE THAT CONNECTION. BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SIX MONTH PERIOD BETWEEN THE OPENING OF THE GARAGE DURING WHICH THEY'RE MONITORING EMPLOYEE PARKING, FIGURING OUT WHERE IT SHOULD BE, WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, AND I THINK DURING THAT TIME, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE COST. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS WE CONSIDER DURING THAT SIX MONTH PERIOD, INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, THIS IS HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA BE. AND THAT'S THAT. AND I THINK, SEE WE HAVE OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO SET THE FEES. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF, THAT'S COMING INTO THIS FOR ME, THAT'S IN PLAY WHEN WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. IF I MIGHT CLARIFY, MAYOR, UM, WHEN YOU'RE SETTING THE FEES, MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU'RE SETTING THE CEILING OR YEAH, THE CEILING LIKE A CAP. AND WE CAN ALWAYS CHARGE LESS. SO IF THE COUNCIL'S INTERESTED IN CHARGING LESS AFTER THOSE BASIC RATES ARE SET, THAT IS, YOU LIVE IN SEDONA AS SOON AS THOSE FEES ARE PUBLISHED MM-HMM . PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO CRAZY. OKAY. WELL, UM, AND THE FACT THAT WE COULD CHARGE LESS WILL BE, WILL NEVER HIT SOCIAL MEDIA OR ANY OTHER PLACE. SO IF WE, IF WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THEM, YEAH. SO, AND THEY ARE GONNA BE CHARGED FOR SIX MONTHS. I MEAN, I MEAN THAT'S, I REALIZE IT'S THE NEXT ITEM, BUT THEY'RE, TO ME, THEY'RE INTERRELATED. YEAH. THEY'RE NOT BEING CHARGED FOR SIX MONTHS. RIGHT. JUST DATA COLLECTION. BUT WE'RE, WE'RE THEN WHY, WHY ARE WE DOING A FEE SCHEDULE? WHY SET THE FEE NOW BEFORE YOU HAVE THE DATA COLLECTION? SO IF I CAN CLARIFY, UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD TO GET TO TONIGHT, BUT THE ORIGINAL DIRECTION TO STAFF WAS ALL OF THIS NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE BEFORE THE GARAGE OPENS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON WITH THE PARKING WORK GROUP TO HAVE EVERYTHING TO THE BEST THAT THE WORK GROUP COULD RECOMMEND FOR YOU TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE IT READY TO GO BEFORE THE GARAGE OPENS. UM, BUT IF THE COUNCIL HAS OTHER DIRECTION YOU WANNA GIVE TO STAFF ON THIS, WE'RE ALL EARS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE CARRYING OUT WHAT YOU HAVE ASKED US TO DO. UM, AND IF WHAT I'M HEARING SOME MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT, UM, THE WORK GROUP'S RECOMMENDATIONS, IF THERE'S A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL THAT WANTS US TO GO BACK TO THE WORK GROUP AND ASK THEM TO TRY AGAIN, OR REVISE OR MODIFY OR BRING BACK SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD TO HEAR WHAT THAT IS. UM, VERSUS WE DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, WE NEED TO CIRCLE BACK AND BE CLEAR WHAT THE WORK GROUP ON. OKAY, WHAT'S THE EXPECTATION NOW FROM THE COUNCIL ABOUT THIS WHOLE PROGRAM? SO IT'S NOT CONFUSING OR THE STAFF DOESN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING NEXT. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, JUST REALLY INTERESTED TO GET THAT MAJORITY. CAN I OPINION, CAN I ADD TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE, SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE WITH LIKE FEES, FOR INSTANCE, THOSE FEES, COVER FEES IN THE GARAGE, FREE FEES ON THE, UH, STREET FRONTAGE ALONG MAIN STREET, JORDAN DISCUSSED EARLIER. THOSE, THOSE FEES ALONG MAIN STREET, THOSE, THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN UPGRADED OR UPDATED, UH, UM, SINCE 2017. SO THERE'S A NEED TO UPDATE THOSE FEES. WE ALSO NEED TO HAVE THE FEES ESTABLISHED FOR THE GARAGE IF THERE ARE GONNA BE FEES CHARGED FOR THE GARAGE. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT'S CONCERNING IS WE, WE NEED AS STAFF DIRECTION ON IF WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH EMPLOYEE PARKING OR NOT. I'VE, I'VE HEARD STATEMENTS STAFF MADE ABOUT, UH, THE LEASES CHARACTERIZED AS THREATENING THAT WE MIGHT NOT [04:20:01] UPDATE THOSE. THAT'S MISCHARACTERIZED. WHAT WE WERE LETTING FOLKS KNOW IS THERE ARE SEVERAL LEASES THAT NEED TO BE, UH, LIKE RENEWED NOW. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE DIRECTION FOR THAT, THAT THAT HANDICAPS US FROM BEING ABLE TO CARRY OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO, WE MAY LOSE THOSE LEASES. THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE CONVEYING. NOT THAT, HEY, IF YOU DON'T GET ON BOARD, WE'RE NOT GONNA UPDATE THESE LEASES. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SAID. IT'S MORE A MATTER OF, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THESE LEASES SO THAT IF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS WANT TO RENEW, WE CAN TELL THEM WHAT WE'RE DOING. OTHERWISE THEY MAY MAKE A DECISION ON THEIR OWN. LIKE SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE ALREADY DOING, THEY'VE LET US KNOW AS SOON AS THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, THEY'RE GONNA START CHARGING FEES. I THINK YOU MISUNDERSTOOD THAT WHOLE CONVERSATION. I WAS ACTUALLY ASKING QUESTIONS. I I WAS TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE ACTUALLY. OH, OKAY. . BECAUSE I WAS ASKING QUESTIONS ON BEHALF OF A ABSENT COUNSEL MEMBER, RIGHT. WHO WANT TO, WHOSE PERSPECTIVE WAS HOW ARE WE SETTING FEES WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR COSTS ARE? YEAH. AND THAT, THAT WAS THE ISSUE. NOT WHETHER WE RENEW LEASES, BUT IF THE LEASE PRICE WERE TO JUMP BY 30% AND WE'RE SETTING A PRICE BASED ON AN UNKNOWN AMOUNT OF MONEY, IS THAT FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE THAT THAT WAS THE ISSUE? RIGHT. AND, AND THE PROBLEM IS WE STILL NEED TO NEGOTIATE THOSE, RIGHT? SO, AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EMPLOYEE PARKING FEES. SO IF IT DOES BUMP UP, I'M SORRY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EMPLOYEE PARKING FEES. SO IF THE LEASE BUMPED UP 30%, UM, THE EMPLOYEE PARKING FEE, WE ARE ANTICIPATING TO USE THE FUNDING OF THE OVERALL PARKING ENTERPRISE TO COVER THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS. SO IT WILL BE UNDER THAT WHOLE UMBRELLA TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, KEEP THE FEES FOR EMPLOYEES DOWN. BUT, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING TONIGHT THAT SHOWED US A SPREADSHEET. YOU'RE SAYING THE OTHER PARKING FEES, BUT WHAT ARE THEY, WHERE ARE THEY FROM THERE? THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR PACKET THAT SHOWS THAT OUTLINES ALL THE COSTS. YEAH, WE ALL THE FEES. SORRY. THE DELTA. I'VE HEARD SOME PEOPLE SAY WE'RE GREEDY AND WE'RE CHARGING TOO MUCH FOR FEES, BUT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE OUR COSTS. SO HOW CAN WE, YEAH. SO WE WENT INTO DETAIL ON THAT IN MAY AND WE DIDN'T RE GO OVER THAT AGAIN, BUT THE REALITY WAS, YES, WE WERE PROJECTING A HEALTHY REVENUE OFF OF THE RATES THAT WE WERE SETTING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S A LOT OF ESTIMATING AND UNCERTAINTY INTO THE NUMBERS THAT WERE COMING UP WITH. SO THERE IS A BUFFER IN THERE, AND IT WAS SHOWN TO THE POSITIVE. AND THAT'S BEING TAKEN AS WELL. YOU'RE GENERATING TOO MUCH MONEY. AND THE REALITY IS, ONCE WE REFINE THIS, THEN WE WILL KNOW WHAT THAT ACTUAL NUMBER IS, AND WE'RE PRETTY SURE IT'S GONNA BE MUCH LESS THAN WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING. WE JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY HERE. AND IF WE'RE GONNA BUILD A PROGRAM, WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE, BUT WE'RE SETTING FEES WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR COSTS ARE. THAT, THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT I HAVE. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO SET THE FEE. YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY THE GARAGE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN NOW, SO WE WERE GOING TO A TIMELINE THAT NOW IS SIX MONTHS AWAY. SO THE URGENCY FOR ME DOESN'T EXIST AS MUCH AS IT DID WHEN WE THOUGHT THE GARAGE WAS GONNA BE OPEN AT THIS POINT. MAY I ASK MAYOR, WHAT, WHAT FEES YOU, ARE YOU RELUCTANT TO SET NOW? THE PARKING GARAGE FEES? WELL, THE LOT PARKING FEES. YEAH. ALL THOSE FEES. YEAH, ALL OF 'EM. IT'S NOT JUST EMPLOYEES. NO, BECAUSE WE HAVE COSTS, WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS IN YES. IN OUR PRIOR A AGENDA ITEM, WE HAVE COSTS THAT WE HAVEN'T ACCOUNTED FOR. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU SET A FEE WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR COSTS ARE. IF WE'RE TRYING, IF WE'RE TRYING TO PAY FOR THE PROGRAM THROUGH THOSE FEES, BUT BACK IN MAY, WE GOT NUMBERS THAT SAID, WITH THESE RATES FOR PARKING IN THE GARAGE THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO APPROVE, THE GARAGE IS GONNA PAY FOR ITSELF AND IT'S GONNA THROW OFF SOME SURPLUS MONEY. ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE REST OF THE STREET PARKING REVENUE. SO NOW THE NEW DATA THAT WE HAVE TODAY IS THAT THE EMPLOYEE PARKING IS GONNA COST US SOME MONEY, AND THAT'S GONNA DRAW FROM THAT SURPLUS THAT WE'VE GOT FROM THE STREET PARKING IN THE GARAGE PARKING. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE LEASES ARE GONNA COST. I, WE JUST, [04:25:01] IT'S, IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE FOR ME TO APPROVE FEES WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE COSTS ARE. IT'S, I, I'M, PERSONALLY, FOR ME, I'M VOTING NO ON ALL OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT READY, IT'S NOT READY TO BE VOTED ON. OKAY. WE HAVE, WE MOVED ON TO NINE D BECAUSE I MEAN, WE COULD APPROVE NINE C AND NOT APPROVE NINE D HMM. I MEAN, THE FEES ARE ON AGENDA ITEM NINE D. RIGHT. SO WE COULD WITHHOLD APPROVAL OF THAT, BUT APPROVE THE YEAH. YEAH. NINE C EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT IS NECESSARY TO MOVE THE PROGRAM FORWARD. BUT WHAT IS NOT NECESSARY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND WE, AND THERE'S NOT A RUSH ANYMORE. YEAH. I WOULD JUST POINT OUT THAT NOT KNOWING WHAT OUR FEES ARE GONNA BE IS ANOTHER LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY. WE'RE KIND OF GOING BACKWARDS A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S IS UNCERTAINTY FOR WHO, FOR YOU. YES. YES. BUT YOU'RE CAN, THE FEES ARE GONNA BE A RESULT OF THE COSTS THAT YOU'RE ESTIMATING IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. WE HAVE TO PROJECT. AND THAT'S JUST WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH FOR ALL THESE MONTHS NOW. I KNOW, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN EXTRA THREE MONTHS, THEN YOU KNOW WHAT THE LEASE PRICES ARE GONNA BE BY THEN. YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE THINGS YOU'RE ESTIMATING. SO AS WE GO TO NEGOTIATE AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS WANTING A MUCH HIGHER FEE, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR REVENUE IS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR FEES ARE GONNA BE. IT, IT'S A PROJECTION FROM BOTH SIDES. RIGHT? YEAH. IT'S, THAT'S HOW THIS WHOLE PROGRAM WORKS, IS EVERYTHING'S A PROJECTION. AND IF WE DON'T START WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, ESTIMATIONS, WE HAD THESE SAME CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR PARKING WORK GROUP TO SOME EXTENT. UM, SO ANYWAY, I I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. I I, I HEAR YOU, ANDY. I JUST, JUST DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, I CAME IN HERE TONIGHT BEFORE I HEARD ALL THE EMPLOYEES TALKING, AND I, I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING IN OUR ECONOMY, RIGHT? GAS IS OUT OF SIGHT, COSTS ARE CRAZY. SOMEBODY TOLD ME THEY, THEY WERE REMODELING, IT'S A BUSINESS, REMODELING THEIR KITCHEN, AND IT WAS COSTING THEM THREE TIMES WHAT THEY PROJECTED IT WAS GONNA COST. EVERYTHING'S GOING UP. AND I THOUGHT ABOUT EMPLOYEE SALARIES ARE NOT GOING UP TO THE DEGREE THAT THE COSTS ARE GOING UP. AND EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS LIKE A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF MONEY, AND WE DO KNOW THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE COMPETING FOR OUR WORKERS, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY PEOPLE AND, AND EVERYBODY'S COMPETING FOR THOSE SAME PEOPLE. SO IF I HAD TO PAY TO DRIVE FROM FLAGSTAFF AND ALL MY OTHER COSTS WERE GOING UP, THIS IS JUST ONE MORE THING THAT WOULD SAY TO ME, AREN'T THERE JOBS CLOSER TO HOME THAT I COULD GET? SO I RELATED TO EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE SAID IN THAT AUDIENCE, BUT I ALREADY CAME IN HERE WITH THAT ON MY MIND, THAT WHY WOULD WE ADD TO THAT? AND WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS BECAUSE OF THE GIFT CLAUSE, THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE DOING IT. AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, AREN'T THERE WAYS AROUND THIS GIFT CLAUSE AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE BROUGHT UP, SHOULDN'T EMPLOYERS BE THERE? I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE READY AND I'M NOT READY. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF COUNCIL THEIR VOTES ARE HERE, THEN I'LL BE IN THE MINORITY. AND THAT'S OKAY. I JUST HAVE TO BE TRUE TO MYSELF. CHARLOTTE, LET ME BACK UP THIS, WHEN I SAID KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, I MEAN, THE CAN IS BEING KICKED DOWN THE ROAD ANYWAY. WE MIGHT AS WELL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND HAVE THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO THE EMPLOYEE LOTS AND MAKE THOSE DECISIONS LATER ON. I'M PERFECTLY FINE. AND I KNOW I'M JUMPING INTO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM WITH SETTING A GARAGE RATE THAT'S MOSTLY TOURISTS. UM, THE METERS, I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH SETTING THAT NOW. THE SURFACE LOT, UM, IN CITY LOT FIVE, WELL, LET'S SAY THE SURFACE LOTS THAT NEED TO BE NEGOTIATED, WE DON'T NEED TO SET A RATE ON THAT NOW IN CITY LOT FIVE, WE CAN HOLD OFF ON THAT TOO AND THEN MAKE A DECISION. I'M THINKING ABOUT EMPLOYEE PARKING AS THE CAN ROLLS DOWN THE STREET A AFTER IT'S GIVEN IT SOME TIME. AND WE, WE KNOW MORE. WE KNOW WHAT THE, UH, NEGOTIATION'S GONNA BE. I MEAN, I CAN'T IMAGINE, ARE THEY GONNA GO UP A HUNDRED PERCENT? ARE THEY GONNA GO UP A, IT'S A, I I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A, WHAT THE, UH, ONE OF THE LEASE RATES IS. ARE WE TALKING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS A YEAR, OR ARE WE TALKING I KNOW, I KNOW. SORRY. UM, HAVING [04:30:01] CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, PHILLIPOS, UH, AND CHRISTIE AND ANDY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH WAYSIDE. UH, THEY WERE GONNA BE, AND THEN WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, LOT THREE. UM, THESE, THESE LOT PRICES ARE THE, THE, THE LEASES ARE GOING TO GO UP. I THINK WAYSIDE IS, IS IS WILLING TO BE, UM, KEEP THE SAME PRICE, BUT, UH, MATTERHORN IS DISCUSSING THE LEASE PRETTY THOROUGHLY, AND THEY'RE GETTING, THEY'RE GETTING VERY INVOLVED IN THE DETAILS OF THEIR LEASE. UH, SO I, I DO ANTICIPATE IT GOING UP. I DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH, BUT WHAT IS IT NOW? RIGHT? THEY'RE PRETTY LOW. YEAH, GO AHEAD, CHRIS. THE, THE WAYSIDE LEASE CURRENTLY FOR LAST YEAR WAS 7,500. SO, AND I WOULD, OH MY GOD, IT DOUBLES. OH MY GOD. I MEAN, COME ON. RIGHT. IT MIGHT, TO THAT POINT, WHEN THIS PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER IS LOOKING AT FEE REVENUE VERSUS $7,500, WHAT IS THEIR INCENTIVE TO RENEW WHAT THE CITY, IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, THAT, THAT'S BEEN MY POINT. AND SEVERAL OF THE LEASES ARE LIKE THAT. SO, WELL, I MEAN, I ENCOURAGE, I AM ALL FOR GIVING YOU THE AUTHORITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RENEGOTIATING THOSE, THOSE LEASES. AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN RETAIN THE SPACES. I, I DON'T WANNA LOSE THE SPACES, BUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS SO THAT'S SO MINIMAL. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING THAT I, I DO ANTICIPATE IT GOING UP BECAUSE IT IS SO MINIMAL. YEAH. UM, LIKE, LIKE EVERYONE'S MENTIONED, THE PRICES OF EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP. FOR EXAMPLE, SWE A LOT OR YEAH, SWE A LOT. WE PAID A VERY MINIMAL AMOUNT THERE BECAUSE WE DID MAINTENANCE ON THAT LOT. SAME WITH MATTERHORN, BUT THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE SAME CASE THIS TIME AROUND. WELL, YEAH. YOU GOTTA REMEMBER THAT WHEN WE NEGOTIATED THOSE LEASES IN THE PAST, THEY WERE COMPETING WITH FREE PARKING. THAT'S NOT THE CASE ANYMORE. THEY'RE LOOKING AROUND AT OTHER PEOPLE STARTING TO CHARGE AND SAYING, WHY AM I ONLY GETTING 7,500 PER YEAR? I WE'RE, WE'RE CERTAIN THOSE NUMBERS ARE GONNA GO UP, WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YET. RIGHT. AND, AND SO I CAN UNDERSTAND FOR THOSE NEEDING TO KNOW WHAT YOUR, UM, REVENUE IS GONNA BE BEFORE YOU CAN DETERMINE WHAT YOUR, OR KNOW WHAT YOUR EXPENDITURE FROM THE CITY SIDE BEFORE YOU DETERMINE WHAT KIND OF REVENUE YOU NEED TO HAVE. BUT THOSE, THOSE CAN FOLLOW A SEPARATE TRACK THAN THE GARAGE RATE OR THE, UM, METER RIGHTS, RIGHT? YEAH. THE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ANNETTE WAS MENTIONING EARLIER IS YOU'RE SETTING THE CEILING, RIGHT? SO EVERYTHING CAN BE LOWER. AND THE COUNCIL OBVIOUSLY UNDERSTANDS THE TECHNICAL PART, BUT IT'S THE OPTICS OF IT THAT IS THE CONCERN. ARE THERE ANY OTHER EXAMPLES WE HAVE OF OUR FEE SCHEDULE IS SET AND WE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT SOMETHING LOWER. UM, JOANNE, DO YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE IT'S ALL PART OF THE CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. YEAH. BUT THERE'S MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS ON THE FEE SCHEDULE, BUT NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. SO ARE WE GOING BACK TO THE PARKING WORK GROUP AND ASKING THEM TO DO MORE WORK? OR ARE WE, WE'RE, I'M, I'M REALLY UNCLEAR ON WHERE THE COUNCIL'S AT ON THIS. I, I, I, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW IF SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION AND IF THAT MOTION GETS VOTED UP OR DOWN. AND IF THERE IS NO MOTION, THEN WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT OTHER DIRECTION WE'RE GIVING YOU. AT LEAST THAT WOULD BE PROCEDURALLY WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND HERE. AND THERE'S NO MOTION PART, PART OF THE PROBLEM IS, IS THE MOTION'S VERY COMPLEX YES. AND INCORPORATES MULTIPLE PIECES. SO IT KIND OF NEEDS TO BE BROKEN OUT INTO SOME SUB COMPONENTS. I WOULD ALMOST SAY MOVE ON TO, UM, THE NEXT ITEM BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL RELATED TO SEE WHAT WE MIGHT BE COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD ON THAT. AND THAT MIGHT GIVE SOME DIRECTION. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL OR WON'T. I'M JUST TRYING TO MOVE SOMETHING ALONG HERE. DOES THAT CREATE ANY KIND OF PROCEDURAL ISSUE? MONEY? WELL, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION [04:35:01] AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN? NOPE. OR WANTS TO ADJUST THE MOTION? I WOULD PROBABLY MAKE A MOTION ADJUSTED, BUT BASED ON COUNCILOR ELLA'S SUGGESTION, I WOULD WHAT PAGE ARE ON, UH, PACKET 1 59. THANK YOU. I WOULD, I THINK THAT COUNCILOR KINSELLA HAS A GOOD IDEA TO GO HIT THE FEE PIECE AND THEN COME BACK TO THIS, JIM. YEAH. YEAH. MAYOR, YOU, YOU HAVE AUTHORITY TO, UH, TABLE THE MOTION ON THIS ONE AND, UH, THEN HEAR THE NEXT ITEM AND THEN RETURN TO THIS ONE. OKAY. SO LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM. SO MOTION TO TABLE AND THE SECOND AND A VOTE. OKAY. SO, UM, I CAN, UH, DO THE, THE SECOND ONE. SO THE SECOND ONE THERE, THERE'S, UM, I THINK PER OUR RULES, IT'S A MOTION TO TABLE THAT HAS TO BE SECONDED AND THEN WE VOTE. ISN'T THAT CORRECT? UH, YOU CAN DO IT THAT WAY. I BELIEVE THE MAYOR COULD DO IT ON HER OWN AUTHORITY. DID YOU JUST MAKE THE MOTION? NO, I CAN DO IT ON MY OWN. YEAH, SHE CAN ADJUST THE AGENDA. YEAH. JUST MOVE TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM AND THEN WE COME BACK. IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THAT'S, UH, BY OUR RULES. I BELIEVE THAT ONCE WE'VE OPENED THE ITEM, WE ACTUALLY NEED TO I DO. UNLESS THERE'S A, A LOT OF, UM, UM, DISAGREEMENT WITH THE, THE MAYOR MAKING THAT DECISION. JUST ADJUST. DO YOU ALL WANNA MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM? OKAY, LET'S DO THAT THEN. SHORT BREAK. SO, UH, BEFORE WE GET, I'D LIKE TO GIVE KIND OF A, A REAL QUICK, BROAD OVERVIEW OF THIS ONE. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO ITEMS ON, ON THIS. ONE. ONE REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FEES, AND THE OTHER ONE DOESN'T REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S, IT'S TO REVISE THE CITY CODE. SO, UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WE COULD DO THAT. IF YOU'D LIKE TO TABLE THIS, WE COULD DO THAT AS WELL. BUT, UM, I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT FOR THE FEES, THERE IS A, UH, 60 DAY, UM, NOTICE REQUIREMENT. SO IF WE, YOU KNOW, TABLE ALL OF THESE FEES FOR A FUTURE DATE, THEN THAT 60 DAY CLOCK STARTS TO TICK AGAIN. OKAY. SO, SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO KIND OF HAVE THAT AS A CONTEXT WHEN YOU DECIDE HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ITEM. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK. YEAH. AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK. THERE'S STILL MORE BACK. OKAY, WE'RE BACK. AND [9.d. AB 3346 Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding approval of an Ordinance updating the City of Sedona's Consolidated Fee Schedule for Uptown parking fees and discussion/possible action regarding approval of an Ordinance amending Sedona City Code Chapter 10.20 Parking.] WE'RE ON ITEM NINE D. WE HAVE ALL THE STAFF THAT WE NEED. AB 33 46 IS DOING THIS ONE. OKAY. HEARING DISCUSSION. POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE, UPDATING THE CITY OF SEDONAS, CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE FOR UPTOWN PARKING FEES AND DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CITY CODE. SEDONA CITY CODE CHAPTER 10.20. PARKING. SO THE, UH, THE FEES, UH, THIS IS A, UH, PUBLIC HEARING, SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FEES, UH, I'M SORRY. THE, THE FEES REQUIRE A, A PUBLIC HEARING BY, BY STATUTE. YES. I'VE GOT CARDS. THIS IS THE FIRST OR THE SECOND? SECOND, SECOND HEARING, UH, FOR THE, THE FEE NEED TWO, RIGHT? YEAH. THE SECOND YOU, THIS IS THE SECOND. SO THESE FEES, YEAH. YEAH. YOU, UH, THESE FEES WERE, UH, FIRST, UH, INTRODUCED ON, UH, THE, THE MAY 12TH. THE THE FEES, UH, HAVE NOT CHANGED. UH, YOU CAN SEE WE PUT THEM UP ON THE, THE SCREEN. UM, AND I, I KNOW THAT WHEN, UH, AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COUNCIL DECIDES THESE MIGHT NOT BE THE FEES THEY ADOPT, BUT, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS, UM, PART OF THE PROCESS. SO, SHALL WE START WITH THE PUBLIC? IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU NORMALLY DO? UNLESS WE HAVE QUESTIONS, WE DO IT ANYWAY. OH, SOMETIMES THERE'S THE PRESENTATION AND THEN WE OPEN IT. IT'S JUST UP TO COUNCIL AND WHAT THEY WANNA DO AT THE TIME. SURE. WELL, I GUESS THE, THE PRESENTATION, UH, WOULD BE, THERE'S THREE CATEGORIES OF, OF FEES. UH, UH, AS NOTICED, UH, A COUNCIL HAS FULL DISCRETION WHETHER TO ACCEPT ALL OF THE PROPOSED FEES, REJECT ALL THE PROPOSED FEES, ACCEPT SOME, OR REJECT SOME. SO THE THREE CATEGORIES, UH, NEW CATEGORY, UPTOWN, GARAGE, LOT FIVE, NEW CATEGORY SURFACE, LOTS OTHER THAN FIVE EXISTING CATEGORY PROPOSING TO UPDATE THE, UH, FEES AFTER, UH, NINE YEARS IS THE, THE, THE METERS. AND THEY'RE MORE, THERE ARE, THIS IS 89 A METERS, BUT THEY'RE, THIS SHOULD JUST BE METERS. SO WITH THAT, THAT'S MY, UM, PRESENTATION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? UM, THERE WAS A, AN EMAIL WE GOT FROM A UPTOWN RESIDENT WHO MADE A SUGGESTION ABOUT WAIVING FEES FOR CERTAIN EVENT DAYS IN UPTOWN, LET'S ST. PATRICK'S DAY PARADE, [04:40:01] THE HALLOWEEN EVENT. AND I'D LIKE TO MAYBE HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION ABOUT POSSIBLE OTHER ONES. IF, FOR EXAMPLE, FIRST FRIDAYS WERE REALLY REINVIGORATED ANYWAY, UM, HOW WOULD THAT BE REFLECTED IN THIS FEE STRUCTURE? SURE. THAT'S A, A GOOD QUESTION. THIS, THIS IS TO THE, UH, THE POINT THAT, UM, UH, ANNETTE MADE EARLIER, THAT THESE ARE, UH, KIND OF THE, THIS CEILING FEES. SO THESE FEES, WHICHEVER ONES, UH, IF ANY, ARE APPROVED, THESE WILL APPEAR ON THE CITY'S CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE. AND THEN, UH, AS A POLICY MATTER, UH, COUNCIL CAN, UM, DECIDE, OR THEY CAN, UM, THEY CAN DECIDE WE'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, FREE FRIDAY FEES OR FREE FEES FOR PARKING FOR, UM, ST. PATRICK'S DAY. SO THAT CAN BE DONE AT, AT A LATER DATE. THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PART OF THIS, BECAUSE THESE WILL APPEAR ON THE CITY'S CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE. RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST THE METERS THAT ARE ON THE CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE. OKAY. THANKS. WOULD WHAT? THAT SHOULD, IF WE GET TO A POINT OF A RESOLUTION, WE SHOULD PROBABLY STATE THAT CLEARLY IN THE RES IN THE MOTION, RIGHT? UM, IT, IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARY, BUT YOU, YOU CERTAINLY COULD MM-HMM . SO THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS OUR INTENT. OTHERWISE, HOW WOULD THEY KNOW OUR INTENT BASED ON JUST WHEN IT, UH, COMES UP AND THERE'S A, UM, UM, A, A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO WAIVE FEES ON THESE CERTAIN DAYS. WHAT WE'RE APPROVING RIGHT NOW ARE TWO ORDINANCES. MM-HMM . I HAVE A QUESTION. CONSIDERING WHAT THIS WOULD DO WOULD BE TO HAVE VIRTUALLY NO FREE PARKING IN UPTOWN. IS THAT CORRECT? NONE WHATSOEVER. ANY RESIDENT WHO GOES TO UPTOWN WOULD HAVE TO PAY A FEE THAT, THAT IT COULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT SOME OF THE SURFACE LOTS ARE REFERRED TO IN GENERAL TERMS. SO IT DOESN'T PREDETERMINE THAT THERE WOULD BE A FEE IMPLEMENTED UNTIL WE DECIDE TO DO SO. ONE OF THE PARKING WORK GROUP MEMBERS, UH, TONY, UH, HE DID MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT HE WANTED TO BRING UP TO THE PARKING WORK GROUP WAS TO OFFER, UH, RESIDENTS TO SIGN UP IN THE PARK LOYALTY PROGRAM, AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PARK IN THE EMPLOYEE LOTS, UH, FOR A TWO HOUR PERIOD OR A THREE HOUR PERIOD, FREE OF CHARGE. AND, UH, I LOOKED AT THE TECHNOLOGY BELIEVE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO, UM, BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN VETTED COMPLETELY. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, HAS BEEN IN DISCUSSION REGARDING THAT. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU THINK THAT THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO GO TO UPTOWN AND AND PARK WITHOUT PAYING A FEE? WE HAVE EMPLOYEES HERE WHO, WHO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S, THAT THEY MAY BE CHARGED A FEE AS FAR AS PUBLIC OUTREACH. JUST AS A REMINDER, THE INTENT IS THAT THESE, MOST OF THESE FEES NOT BE IMPLEMENTED UNTIL THAT TIME PERIOD WE DISCUSSED. I'M JUST SPEAKING TO THE MIC, I'M HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU. SO, JUST AS A REMINDER, MANY OF THESE FEE AREAS WOULDN'T BE IMPLEMENTED UNTIL SIX MONTHS AFTER THE GARAGE IS, IS OPERATIONAL, RIGHT? SO SAME QUESTION. AND DURING THAT TIME, WE'VE INDICATED THAT THERE WOULD BE AN EXTENSIVE PUBLIC OUTREACH EFFORT EDUCATING PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THAT SORT OF THING. WE'RE NOT GETTING IN FRONT OF THE ISSUE. MM-HMM . WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA COME FROM A, FROM A DEFENSIVE POSITION TO DEFEND SOMETHING WITHOUT GIVING PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT BEFORE. IT'S NOT TAKING PLACE FOR SIX MONTHS, BUT IT GOES ON A FEE SCHEDULE TOMORROW MORNING AS AN EXAMPLE. AND THEN IT, PEOPLE BELIEVE IT IS A DONE DEAL. AND THIS EXTENSIVE OUTREACH IS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY OF SEDONA. I MEAN, PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE CITY COME TO GO TO UPTOWN FROM STAFF. FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, WE HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN DIRECTION TO DO ANYTHING FURTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GIVE YOU DIRECTION TO, SO WE DON'T KNOW THAT THIS PROGRAM'S MOVING FORWARD YET UNTIL TONIGHT WHEN WE RECEIVE DIRECTION. THAT'S WHY WE, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO GET AHEAD AND SAY, WE'RE DOING THIS UNTIL WE RECEIVE DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL THAT WE'RE DOING IT. SO HOW DO WE GET AHEAD OF THAT? I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WORKS. SO, BECAUSE WHEN YOU PROPOSE THESE FEES, YOU GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC, YOU DO YOUR PUBLIC OUTREACH, PEOPLE COME AND THEY GIVE YOU, RIGHT. AND [04:45:01] WE'VE DONE PUBLIC OUTREACH QUITE A BIT ON THE EFFORTS THAT WE'VE MADE SO FAR TO UPTOWN PEOPLE OR TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. WELL, THE FEES ARE NOTICED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. UM, YEAH. RIGHT. SO, SO ONE THING ABOUT THE STATUTE FOR THE FEES, IT'S JUST, UM, THEY HAVE TO BE ON OUR WEBSITE FOR A MINIMUM OF 60 DAYS, WHICH THEY'VE BEEN ON THERE SINCE MAY 14TH. UH, JOANNA'S PUT, PUT THE FEES IN THE, UH, RED ROCK NEWS A NUMBER OF TIMES. UM, ONE OPTION, UM, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE A VOTE ON ANY OF THE FEES TONIGHT, WOULD BE TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, WE, OUR 60 DAYS JUST KEEPS, YOU KNOW, GOING. UH, AND THEN, UH, JOANNE WOULD SIMPLY REPOST IN RED ROCK NEWS. SO THAT, SO THAT IS ANOTHER OPTION ON THE FEES. MM-HMM . AND THEN WE COULD DO SOME OTHER ADVERTISEMENT IF THIS IS WHAT YOU, YOU KNOW, WANT, I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT'S BEEN NOTICED AND PUBLICIZED. SO IF WE CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING, IT WOULD BE THESE SAME RATES. BUT IF COUNCIL WANTED SOMETHING ELSE PROPOSED, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD JUST START THE PROCESS OVER, I BELIEVE. BUT IF YOU WANT US TO DO MORE, UM, SPECIFIC ADVERTISEMENT THAT THESE HAVE BEEN NOTICED FOR THE LAST 60 DAYS AND COUNCIL'S STILL TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THEM AT THE NEXT MEETING, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THEN YOU CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEN, UM, AND CONTINUE THE PROCESS. IF YOU'RE WANTING TO GET MORE INPUT, HOW DO YOU ALL FEEL? I THINK YOU RAISED A VERY GOOD POINT THAT I DON'T THINK MY NEIGHBORS UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WANNA RUN UPTOWN TO GO TO THE OLIVE OIL STORE OR TO THE, OR TO WILDFLOWER FOR LUNCH OR TO, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING UP THERE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE PAYING. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE DO REALIZE THAT, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO LIVE OUTSIDE OF UPTOWN WHO MIGHT HAVE A BETTER INKLING, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING GARAGE IS NOT EVEN PLANNED TO CHARGE BEFORE NINE, AND IT WOULDN'T CHARGE AFTER SIX. SO PEOPLE COMING MAYBE FOR DINNER UPTOWN, IT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. AND I ASSUME THE SURFACE LOTS WOULD BE THAT TOO. YEAH. TILL SIX. SO, AND THE, AND THE METERS ARE TILL SIX ALSO. OKAY. SO, I MEAN, THERE IS SOME FRONT END ROOM AND, AND BACK END ROOM. BUT I AGREE. I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN EMAILS ABOUT UPROAR OVER FEES. I, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A LACK OF AWARENESS OF IT. MM-HMM . YEAH. AND AGAIN, SHOPS, RESTAURANTS, DIFFERENT STORY FOR THEIR OPERATING HOURS. BUT SHOPS AREN'T OPEN AT 9:00 AM RIGHT? WELL, ARE BIG OR JUST BEGINNING TO SOME OF THEM, MOST OF 'EM AREN'T OPEN TILL 10. RIGHT. WELL, IT'S BEEN NOTICED HOW MANY TIMES IT'S BEEN ON THE WEBSITE SINCE MAY 12TH. IT'S BEEN IN RED ROCK NEWS, UH, 1, 2, 3, 4 TIMES A YEAR FROM NOW. WE COULD BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW. THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE CAN TRY ALL WE WANT AND WE'LL ONLY BE SO SUCCESSFUL AND GETTING IT COMMUNICATED. AND THERE'S GONNA BE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE SURPRISED WHEN THEY SHOW UP. I THINK THAT'S INEVITABLE. AND I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED. IS, IS THERE A WAY TO SPLIT IT SO THAT IF WE WERE INCLINED THE GARAGE AND THE PARKING METERS COULD GO FORWARD AND THE OTHERS COULD NOT? WOULD NOT. ABSOLUTELY. UH, THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE. SO IF YOU, UH, ARE YES, THAT, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, YOU COULD EX ADOPT SOME OF THESE FEES AND REJECT THE OTHERS. JOANNE MAYOR AND COUNCIL KEEGAN ALSO DID TWICE EACH TIME WE REPUBLISHED THE PUBLIC NOTICE, IT'S GONE OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, PUBLIC NOTIFICATION GUILLERMO, UH, IF, IF WE DON'T GET A PRICE OR A FEE FOR THE SEC A LOT, THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT THAT IS FOR VISITORS CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW. AND IT'S ONE OF THE LEASES THAT WE HAVE TO RENEW AS WELL. CAN, CAN I ALSO MENTION THAT WHAT GUILLERMO'S SPEAKING TO IS THAT SECTION THAT'S GEN GENERALLY REFERRED TO AS SURFACE LOTS. SO IF THAT FEE IS APPROVED, IT'S ONLY IMPLEMENTED IF WE FIND A LOT TO IMPLEMENT IT WITH. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO JUST BY APPROVING THAT FEE RATE DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY SETTING RATES IN ANYWHERE SPECIFICALLY [04:50:01] FOR THAT CATEGORY. IF YOU TAKE OFF LOT FIVE. WELL, AND ACTUALLY THAT SECTION IT'S SAYING OTHER THAN LOT FIVE. SO, AND WHAT THIS WAS REFERRING TO IS THIS IS THAT ZONE RATE THAT WE DEVELOPED. SO YOU'VE GOT EACH END UPTOWN AND THEN THE, THE MIDDLE ZONE ARE THOSE SURFACE LOTS OTHER THAN LOT FIVE. SO IT SAYS UPTOWN, GARAGE, AND LOT FIVE AND THEN 89 A METERS, AND THEN SURFACE LOTS OTHER THAN LOT FIVE. RIGHT. SO IT DOES COVER ALL OF UPTOWN. IT DOES, BUT IT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY IMPLEMENT THE FEE. IT JUST SETS THE FEE BECAUSE THOSE LOTS AREN'T IDENTIFIED AS LOT 3, 4, 5, 6, ET CETERA. WELL, GIVEN THAT WE MIGHT MIGHT WANT TO TINKER WITH THE RATE FOR THE FUTURE EMPLOYEE LOTS, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A MAXIMUM, NOT A MINIMUM. UM, I STILL THINK IF WE JUST DON'T ADDRESS THE INTERMEDIATE SURFACE LOTS OR CITY LOT FIVE RIGHT NOW AND, AND DO ADDRESS THE OTHER TWO CATEGORIES, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? SO, UH, LIKE YOU JUST MENTIONED, THE EMPLOYEE PARKING PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE FLUID. IF IT TURNS OUT THAT ONE OF THE LOTS IS NOT NEEDED AND THE DEMAND IS NOT THERE AND WE NEED TO REMOVE IT, THAT SURFACE LOT WOULD FALL UNDER THAT FEE FOR VISITORS. 'CAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY INSTALLED ON THAT LOT AND WE ALREADY HAVE THE DATA THAT COMES WITH THE DEMAND. SO, UH, THOSE SURFACE LOTS OTHER THAN LOT FIVE WOULD FALL UNDER THAT, THAT BOTTOM SECTION THERE. MM-HMM . BUT WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO ASK FOR THE FEES IN THE FUTURE. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU ONLY HAVE ONE TIME YOU CAN DO IT. SO IF YOU'RE NOT READY OR COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE SURFACE LOTS BEING INCLUDED TONIGHT, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. IT'S JUST THE 60 DAY CLOCK ISSUE. UM, BUT AT THAT POINT YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK, THE STAFF CAN COME BACK WITH ANOTHER FEE PROPOSAL BASED ON WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU NEED ABOUT THE SURFACE. LOTS. UM, KATHY, YOU POINTED OUT BEFORE MAYOR THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE EMPLOYEES THAT YOU SPOKE TO ARE USING LOT FIVE. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE IN MOVING BASED ON OUR EARLIER CONVERSATIONS ON MOVING ON LOT FIVE. I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR HOSSEINI THAT I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE 89 A METERS AND WITH THE GARAGE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE I WOULD WHAT AND THE JORDAN METERS. METERS, METERS. METERS. OKAY. AND, AND THE GARAGE. AND I THINK THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY COMFORT LEVEL. YEAH. WHAT GUILLERMO, I I WASN'T, I WAS A LITTLE BIT UNCERTAIN ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT SAKA. WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY IMPLEMENTED THERE AND YOU WANT NO, THE SAKA JOA IS CURRENTLY A VISITOR LOT. UH, SO IT IS, IT FALLS UNDER THAT, THAT BOTTOM SECTION FOR THE FEES SURFACE LOTS OTHER THAN LOT FIVE. YES. BUT THAT INCLUDES MORE THAN SAKA JOA. CORRECT. OKAY. BUT SAKA JOA CURRENTLY IS FUNCTIONING AS A VISITOR LOT. SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING WE PULL OUT SAKA JOA AND SET A FEE FOR THAT IF WE WANTED TO. IF YOU WANT, I, I GUESS MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO MAYBE IDENTIFY SAKA JOA, KEEP WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING AND IDENTIFY SAKA JOA AS A SURFACE LOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO, AND KEEP THOSE FEES OR, UH, BE, OR WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO KEEP THE FEES AS A, UH, FREE FOR SAKA JOA. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS. SO YOU'RE SAYING SAKA, JOA SHOULD BE ONE SURFACE LOT THAT WE SHOULD IMPLEMENT A FEE FOR BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY A VISITOR LOT. GOT IT. THANK YOU. BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY A VISITOR LOT. MAYOR, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY HOLD OFF ON ANY OF THESE. IT'S SETTING A MAXIMUM RATE. IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AND GO, GOSH, WE WISH WE'D HAVE MADE IT HIGHER, BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU, FOR ME IT'S BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PARK FOR FREE ANYWHERE IN UPTOWN UNLESS THEY PARK ON CITY STREETS, WHICH THEN IS ANOTHER PROBLEM. I I JUST DON'T THINK THEY UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO MORE OUTREACH AND GET MORE [04:55:01] FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC AND, AND WE HAVE TIME AND WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO DO IT. 'CAUSE ONCE THEY'RE IMPLEMENTED, IT WILL BE THE FINE PRINT, THE NUANCE WILL GO, WILL NOT, WILL NOT BE, PEOPLE WILL NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. SO THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL. I FEEL WE'LL BE HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION A YEAR FROM NOW. I DON'T THINK SO. AND THAT HAPPENS ON A MULTITUDE OF ISSUES AT TIMES. AND WE WERE HAVING COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS. WE COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, BUT MAYOR, DO WE STILL NEED TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM? YES. TIM PERRY, FOLLOWED BY MARK BROOK, FOLLOWED BY DAVE SWART AND BOBBY HAS LEFT. THOSE ARE THE CARDS I HAVE. GOOD EVENING COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN UPTOWN SEDONA. THESE PROPOSED FEE INCREASES ARE INAPPROPRIATE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. FIRST OFF, THIS WHOLE PACKAGE IS JUST THIS WILDLY OPTIMISTIC STEAM BY STAFF TO PROPOSE THAT THEY CAN SOMEHOW COVER THE ENORMOUSLY BALLOONING COST OF THE GARAGE, PLUS ALL THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THEY WANT TO TIE IN WITH IT THROUGH THE SYSTEM OF PARKING FEES, WHICH ONLY BURDENS THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND WORK HERE. AND IT ENCOURAGES STAFF TO DO MORE AND BIGGER PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE IF THEY CAN PULL IT OFF. SEE THEY SAY WE MANAGED TO MAKE THIS WORK, EXCEPT THEY PROBABLY WON'T, AND YET THEY'LL TRY TO GO FOR THE BIG PROJECTS ANYWAY. SECOND, TYING IN WITH WHAT WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER ON THIS FEE INCREASE IS JUST PART OF YOUR GUYS SCHEME TO SQUEEZE EMPLOYEES OUT OF UPTOWN. IT'S FUNNY HOW THINGS WORK BECAUSE BACK WHEN THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN CAME OUT, THERE WAS SOME IDEA OF INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEE PARKING IN UPTOWN, BUT NOW YOU WANT TO MAKE IT MORE EXPENSIVE, WHICH WILL HAVE THE NATURAL EFFECT OF GETTING RID OF EMPLOYEES EVEN IF THEY'RE GIVEN A SOMEWHAT LOWER RATE. OH, AS FOR THE IDEA THAT, UH, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE CITY SETS, UH, THE RATE HIGH BECAUSE WE CAN CHARGE LOWER. WE'VE JUST HEARD STATS TESTIMONY TONIGHT THAT THEY CAN'T EVEN THINK OF AN INSTANCE IN WHICH THE CITY HAS EVER CHARGED LESS THAN THE MAXIMUM IT'S ABLE TO CHARGE. THIS IS A DELIBERATE ATTEMPT TO SQUEEZE WORKERS OUT OF UPTOWN TO GET THE DIRTY PROS. YOU DESPISE OUT OF SIGHT AND OUT OF MIND. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS A BLUE COLLAR TOWN. YOUR WHITE COLLAR HEADS SHOULD REMEMBER THAT. FINALLY, I'VE HEARD SOME REMARKS TONIGHT TO THE EFFECT THAT THE USE OF FREE PUBLIC PARKING BY EMPLOYEES IS SOMEHOW FREE RIDING, FREE RIDING IT'S PUBLIC PROPERTY. WE, THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY AND THIS STATE OWN THAT PROPERTY. WE PAID FOR ITS MAINTENANCE AND DEVELOPMENT WITH THE TAXES THEY PAY. WE PAID THAT. PARKING ISN'T FREE. WE OWN IT AND WE PAID FOR IT. AND USING IT IS NOT FREE RIDING. DROP ALL OF THESE PARKING FEE PROPOSALS. HI, MARK BROOK. I'M AN UPTOWN RESIDENT. UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE RATES, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE REASON FOR THESE IS TO SET RATES HIGHER THAN WHAT MIGHT BE NEEDED. UH, AND I THINK I COMPLETELY SUPPORT THAT. UH, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IN TERMS OF REVENUES BEING COVERED BY, UH, OR COSTS BEING COVERED BY REVENUES, I THINK THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE APPROACH WITH AN ENTERPRISE LIKE THIS. UH, I THINK THE, THE RATES COULD BE LOWER, UH, BUT I THINK APPROVING WHAT YOU HAVE, ESPECIALLY ON, YOU KNOW, THE UPTOWN GARAGE AND THE 89 METERS MAKES PERFECT SENSE. UH, THE THING I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THERE'S, UH, A FAIR AMOUNT OF STREET PARKING, UH, IN JORDAN, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THAT'S CURRENTLY FREE AND THERE'S OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE STREET PARKING IS FREE. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A RATE CHARGE FOR THAT FOR VISITORS, NOT NECESSARILY FOR, UH, EMPLOYEES AND WHATNOT. UH, SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS IS MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A CONSISTENT PROGRAM. I ALSO TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MAKING SURE WE CAN MONITOR THE USE OF ALL THIS DIFFERENT PARKING. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE APPROPRIATE TECHNOLOGY IS THERE FOR LOTS AND ON THE STREET TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW HOW LONG PARKING IS USED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. WITHOUT THAT DATA, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT YEAR'S [05:00:01] RATES WOULD BE. UH, FINAL THING IS WHEN IT COMES TO THE EMPLOYEE PARKING RATES, I DO THINK THAT THERE'S SOME, IN FACT, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR EMPLOYERS TO STEP UP AND TO, UH, PROVIDE FOR THEIR EMPLOYEE PARKING. BURDENING EMPLOYEES WITH THAT PROBABLY IS NOT APPROPRIATE. I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BENEFITING FROM, UH, HAVING, UH, EMPLOYEES IN TOWN THAT THEY DON'T SUPPLY PARKING FOR, THAT THAT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED TO STEP UP AND, UH, PROVIDE THEIR, THEIR, UH, UH, FUNDING FOR THAT. THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU DAVE. SWART OUT UPTOWN RESIDENT. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. SO I, I THINK THAT CONSERVATIVE APPROACHES TO APPROVE THE, UH, UPTOWN GARAGE RATES AND THE PARKING METER RATES LEAVE THE OTHER THINGS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NERVOUS ABOUT ONCE, ONCE YOU SET THOSE OTHER LOT RATES, IT SOMEHOW THEY JUST KIND OF HAPPEN. SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF IT. AS FAR AS EMPLOYERS PAYING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT A GOOD TIME WHEN, IT'S PROBABLY BEEN THE WORST AUGUST THAT I'VE EVER SEEN IN SEDONAS HISTORY. THERE'S MORE RETAIL SPACE AVAILABLE IN UPTOWN RIGHT NOW THAN EVER BEFORE THAT I'VE EVER SEEN SO MANY VACANT STORES. AND, UH, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF US CAN AFFORD TO PAY THAT FOR EMPLOYEES OR HAVE PARKING, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE SHOPS THAT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND DIDN'T MAKE THEIR JULY RENT. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. THERE'S SOME COMPANIES OR, OR BUSINESSES THAT ARE JUST BARELY SQUEAKING BY. AND SO IT IS, IT IS A BURDEN ON THEM TO BE ABLE TO PAY. SO, OKAY, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. BACK TO COUNSEL. SOMEBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION OR DO YOU HAVE MORE COMMENTS THAT YOU WANNA MAKE? I MAYOR, I HAVE A COMMENT. UH, FREE WRITING WAS NOT APPLIC, I WAS NOT APPLYING FREE WRITING TO THE CONCEPT OF THE EMPLOYEE, BUT THE EMPLOYER. SO YOU MIGHT WANNA GET THAT ADJUSTMENT. UM, I STILL SUPPORT MOVING THE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE STRUCTURE AS PROPOSED. OKAY. DEREK? I SUPPORT SETTING THE METER RATES AND THE PARKING GARAGE AND DEFERRING THE REMAINDER, THE PARKING GARAGE AND THE METERS. YEAH. WHAT ABOUT, UM, ZIA? YEAH, THAT'S FINE. CHARLOTTE. NO, SAME. YOU'RE NODDING. KATHY. PETE, I WORRY THAT THERE'S GONNA BE AN UNINTENDED CON CONSEQUENCE ON THE GARAGE BY TAKING THAT STEP. IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT SOME OF THOSE LOTS, PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO THERE FIRST. SO I IMPLORE TO THINK ABOUT THAT. I'M MORE WITH BRIAN. I'M WILLING TO IMPROVE THE PROPOSAL. YOU KNOW, KATHY AND I MIGHT BE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WERE ON COUNCIL WHEN THE GARAGE WAS APPROVED, AND I REMEMBER REALLY CLEARLY I WAS VERY, VERY RELUCTANT TO APPROVE THAT GARAGE. IN FACT, I THINK I SAID NO. AND THEN YES, EVENTUALLY, BUT THE REASON WAS BECAUSE ALL THOSE LOTS WERE GOING AWAY AND PARKING WAS GONNA BE CONSOLIDATED AT THE GARAGE. AND I THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD HELP TRAFFIC CONGESTION A LOT WHEN ALL THOSE OTHER LOTS WERE OUT OF COMMISSION. AND NOW THAT'S CHANGED. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW IT CHANGED. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT CHANGED. I'D NEVER HEARD A RATIONALE FOR IT TO BE CHANGED. BUT I'M SURE YOU DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. MY MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT EMPLOYEE PARKING, THE ISSUE OF EMPLOYEE PARKING WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE MAY COUNCIL MEETING . THAT THAT'S THE NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT YEARS AGO. OH, OKAY. YEARS AGO. YEAH. SO IN 2023, WE WERE ASKED TO BRING FORWARD ALL THESE COMPONENTS OF THE PARKING PROGRAM. AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING PRETTY MUCH SINCE THEN. THE CONSOLIDATION IS SOMETHING THAT WE INTENDED ORIGINALLY TO DO OURSELVES, BUT IT'S, IT, IT BEGAN TO OCCUR ORGANICALLY ON ITS OWN. SO NOW ONCE WE WERE ASKED, AS PART OF THE THINGS WE WERE ASKED TO DO IS TO OVERSEE AND HELP FACILITATE EMPLOYEE PARKING, WHAT WE RECOGNIZED IS THAT SOME OF THESE AREAS THAT MIGHT GET CONSOLIDATED [05:05:01] NEED TO BE HELD FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING. SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, IS TRYING TO KEEP THAT PARKING AVAILABLE FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING. AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE CITY HAS BUILT RELATIONS WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THEY HOLD LEASES WITH. AND THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRUST THAT'S BEEN BUILT WITH THEM THAT, UH, I THINK MAINTAINING THOSE LEASES GOING FORWARD IS BEST DONE THROUGH, UM, A CITY TO, UM, PRIVATE AG LEASE AGREEMENT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S CHANGED IS THAT RATHER THAN ACTIVELY SEEKING CONSOLIDATION, IT'S HAPPENING ON ITS OWN. YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE OF THE LOTS HAVE GONE FROM PUBLIC TO PRIVATE ALREADY. SO MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO GO BACK EVEN FURTHER IN TIME THAN YOU DID, BUT BEFORE CONSOLIDATION BECAME A POINT OF DISCUSSION, THERE HAD BEEN A STUDY WITH A PROJECTED NEED FOR ADDITIONAL SPOTS. SO THAT DROVE IT AND THEN IT HAPPENED THAT, THAT WAS UNPALATABLE AND PEOPLE STARTED TALKING ABOUT CONSOLIDATION AND IT, THIS HAS BEEN A MOVING TARGET SINCE DAY ONE. UM, JUST TO COMPLETE THE HISTORY. OKAY. SO I HEAR BRIAN AND PETE WANTING TO APPROVE AS IS CHARLOTTE, KATHY, MYSELF, AND DEREK WANTING TO APPROVE A SUBSET. AM I RIGHT? CAN WE PUT ON THE TABLE, MAYOR THIS GUILLERMO'S IDEA OF THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING RECONSIDERED UNDER THE SAME STRUCTURE AS EMPLOYEE PARKING? I DON'T UNDERSTAND. WELL, THIS IS JUST FOR THE FEES. YES. BUT I SUPPOSE IT COULD ALL BE HANDLED ON THE PREVIOUS ITEM THAT WE'LL RETURN TO. YEP. NO, I THINK THIS IS BECAUSE THESE ARE ORDINANCES OR THEY HAVE TO BE SEPARATE, RIGHT? YEAH. UH, CORRECT. SO THE ORDINANCE FOR THE PARKING, UM, FEES, IF THE, UH, FEES ARE NOT ADOPTED AS EXACTLY PRINTED, IT WOULD BE ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AS REVISED. BUT THIS IS SPECIFIC TO THESE, UH, CATEGORIES OF FEES. SO I THINK BEFORE YOU SAID THAT WE COULD DELAY THE PUBLIC HEARING JUST ANOTHER 60 DAYS, BUT WHAT IF, IF WE APPROVE PART OF THIS SO WE GET THE METERS AND THE OTHER THINGS GOING, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE REST OF IT? DO WE, CAN THAT BE PUT OFF OR DOES IT HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN? UH, I I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, STARTING IT OVER AGAIN. IT'S JUST A A 60 DAY PERIOD AND IT, UM, YEAH, IT DOESN'T NEED TO COME TO COUNCIL FIRST. UH, STAFF COULD JUST WORK WITH JOANNE HAYES PUT THIS UP. 60 DAYS DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. MM-HMM . UM, YES. SHE JUST MEANS, I THINK TO GET IT NOTICED, WE'D STAFF WOULD GET IT NOTICED FOR AT LEAST 60 DAYS AND THEN IT WILL, IT HAS TO COME BACK TO COUNSEL AND IT, THERE NEEDS TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING. ONE, ONE PUBLIC HEARING TWO. I BELIEVE IT'S, WE'D BE STARTING OVER. I BELIEVE IT'S JUST THERE WOULD ONE, UM, NOTICE FOR 60 DAYS AND A PUBLIC HEARING. YES. SO ONE, JUST ONE. BUT PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER TWICE OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA ONCE ARE THERE REQUIREMENTS. BUT THE THING IS, IS IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE RATES ARE, WE CAN'T PUBLISH. RIGHT. I KNOW. WELL, NOT YET. RIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO KNOWING THAT WOULD, THIS WOULD HAVE TO START OVER. YOU'RE STILL GOOD WITH MOST OF IT. OKAY. SO DO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION, KATHY? YES. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK CCA JOA INTO IT. 'CAUSE UM, I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026 DASH, DON'T GIVE IT TO ME YET. UM, UPDATING THE CITY CONSOLIDATE FEE SCHEDULE FOR UPTOWN PARKING FEES RELATED TO 89 A, I'M SORRY, PARKING METERS. UH, THE UPTOWN GARAGE AND SCAA PLAZA. BUT IN THAT LANGUAGE, HOW DO WE KNOW WHICH ONE IS GOING TO APPLY? THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN? 'CAUSE IT SAYS SURFACE LOT. I MEAN, I JUST GOTTA, I GOTTA LIKE, BEFORE WE HAVE TO WORK OUT THE LANGUAGE OF THIS MOTION. SURE. SO WE SURFACE LOT. YES. BUT THEN IS IT JUST PART UPTOWN LOT? YES, THAT MIGHT DO IT. WHAT IS IT PART OF THE UPTOWN GARAGE AND LOT FIVE NUMBERS? IS THAT NO, IT'S PART OF THE SURFACE LOT NUMBERS. OH, THANK YOU. THAT'S WHY. BUT I THINK, I THINK COUNCILLOR HOSSEINI HAS SOLVED IT. YAY . OKAY. ARE, WOULD YOU BE SATISFIED WITH THE MOTION THAT [05:10:01] CAME THAT WAY? UH, YES. IF SAKA JOA IS THE ONLY SURFACE LOT IN THAT CATEGORY, YES. SO THE THREE CATEGORIES BE UPTOWN, GARAGE PARKING METERS, AND SAGE A LOT. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. I MOVE TO APPROVE. ORDINANCE 2026 DASH FOUR FOUR UPDATING THE CITY OF SEDONAS CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE FOR UPTOWN PARKING FEES RELATED TO METERED PARKING, THE PARKING GARAGE AND SACOA PLAZA SURFACE. LOT SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR A. AYE. AYE. OKAY, THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION, UH, CORRECT ON THE, UM, OTHER MOTION. UH, THIS IS TO REVISE, UM, SEDONA CITY CODE CHAPTER 10.20 RELATED TO PARKING. UH, THEY'RE VERY MINOR, UH, REVISIONS. IT'S SIMPLY TO UPDATE, UM, PARKING METERS WITH PARKING FEES AND TO, UH, YOU KNOW, MENTION THE TYPES OF TECHNOLOGY, UM, PAYMENT STATIONS. AND THEN, UM, PARKING FEES SHALL BE ADOPTED IN THE CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE. PREVIOUSLY IT WAS JUST BY RESOLUTION. BUT, BUT, SO IT WON'T CONTRADICT ANYTHING THAT WAS DONE IN THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTION? NO, IT WILL NOT. I DON'T THINK SO. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2026 DASH FIVE FINE. , UH, AMENDING THE SEDONA CITY CODE CHAPTER 10.20. PARKING SECOND. DOES HAVE, DOESN'T HAVE TO SAY NO BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE, THE INDIVIDUAL. NO, BUT I MEAN, AMENDING, AMENDING THE CITY CODE TO WHAT IT SAYS AMENDING SEDONA. YEAH. CHAPTER 10.20 PARKING. THAT'S IT. MM-HMM . SEEMS LIKE YOU'D HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE. THAT'S THE, THE ORDINANCE SAYS THE REST OF IT. HMM. THE ORDINANCE SAYS THE REST AND THEN THE ORDINANCE ADOPTS BY ADOPTS THE I. ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S GO BACK TO NINE C. WELL WAIT MINUTE. WAIT, WE TO VOTE? YOU NEED TO VOTE ON THAT. OH, SORRY. , ALTHOUGH, WAS THERE A SECOND? YES. YES, DEREK. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY, NOW WE GO BACK TO NINE C UPTOWN. MM-HMM . I AM GETTING IT. IT'S ON PAGE 1 59. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO APPROVE. OKAY. WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS? BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT PLANNING TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT FOR SIX MONTHS. WHAT DO YOU NEED APPROVED? I THINK THAT'S THE BETTER WAY TO PHRASE IT. UM, GO AHEAD. YEAH, GO. I WOULD SAY ONE OF THE MOST VITAL THINGS WE NEED APPROVED IS THE, THE RPP READINESS. UM, BECAUSE THAT IS, UM, GOING TO PREVENT SPILLOVER. AND IF IT DOESN'T, UH, IF IT, IF SPILLOVER DOES OCCUR, OR IF IT LEGAL PARKING DOES OCCUR IN THE RESIDENT AREA, WE'RE READY TO IMPLEMENT A PERMIT PROGRAM WHEN THE PARKING GARAGE OPENS. I THINK THE RPP IS A, IS IS AN IMPORTANT PART TO PROTECT RESIDENTS, UM, PROTECT THE, THE LIVABILITY OF UPTOWN FOR RESIDENTS AS WELL AS, UH, CREATE A, UH, OVERALL SAFETY FOR RESIDENTS BECAUSE, UH, SAFETY VEHICLES CAN GET IN AND OUT WITHOUT ISSUES. UM, THAT WOULD BE, UH, A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE. UM, EMPLOYEE PARKING. UH, WE CAN, WE CAN GO BACK AND, AND, UH, LOOK AT THAT. BUT, UH, JUST TO GET DIRECTION FROM YOU AS TO WHAT, WHAT YOUR, MAYBE THE GOALS THAT YOU HAVE. THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO STRIVE TO RATHER THAN, UM, UH, KIND OF JUST COMING UP WITH OUR OWN PLAN MIGHT, MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR US AND THE WORKING GROUP SO WE CAN, UH, MAYBE COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT PLAN. UH, THE GREAT NEWS IS THAT SINCE YOU DID APPROVE THE PARKING FEES FOR SAKA JOA, I CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT LEASE FOR SAKA JOA BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD ON. UM, BUT THE OTHER LEASES STAY IN LIMBO. WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE TO STAY IN LIMBO. [05:15:04] WHY WOULDN'T YOU NEGOTIATE ON THOSE? BE BECAUSE THERE'S NO PROGRAM APPROVED FOR THAT. SO WHEN, WELL, IT'S EITHER GONNA BE IT, WE'RE NOT ABANDONING THE, THE LOTS. SO IS IS IT WE'RE EITHER GOING TO USE THEM FOR EMPLOYEE AND RESIDENT, OR WE'RE GOING TO USE 'EM FOR VISITOR AND CHARGE AND, AND THAT WAS A DIRECTION THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE. BUT IF YOU WANT ME TO SECURE THE LEASES, UH, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. AND I'LL, AND I'LL AND I'LL WORK ON THAT FOR THAT. SO YOU MAY OBJECT TO THAT. CORRECT. BUT LET'S KEEP IN MIND THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, IF, IF, IF OR MIND THAT, SO I'LL, I'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, GETTING THE LEASES, UM, NEGOTIATED AND APPROVED. IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT? I AM. BRIAN IS THINKING WELL, BUT AGAIN, BACK ON PAGE NINE OF THIS FILE. SLIDE ME TO DO SLIDE NINE. OH, SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU MEANT THE AB. OKAY. ARE WE NOT GOING TO BE GETTING THE TECHNOLOGY INSTALLED FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING AND TRACKING AND ACCUMULATING INFORMATION? I SEE. YES. I SEE. NO, I SEE. YES. OH, SO WHY WE WOULD BE HOLDING OFF ON THAT. CAN WE SEPARATE THE RESIDENTIAL AND THEN THE EMPLOYEE AND WHICH I THINK WAS WHAT WAS SUGGESTED OVER HERE. UM, CAN WE DEAL WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PART FIRST? FINE. 'CAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE LESS CONTROVERSIAL AT THE MOMENT. I MEAN, I STILL PLAN TO VOTE NOW, BUT, UM, , BUT I THINK IT'S MORE CLEAR CUT AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE EMPLOYEE. IF WE COULD SEPARATE THESE OUT, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. I DON'T THINK THEY EVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUNDLED. OKAY. SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE RESIDENTIAL THEN. AND I HAVE TO SAY, HAVING PEOPLE REGISTER AND BE IN A DATABASE, AND IT BOTHERS ME A LOT, IS WHAT WAYS CAN WE PROTECT THE PRIVACY OF IT'S NOT FORCED, IT'S NOT FORCED REGISTRATION. SO IF YOU HAVE A RESIDENT THAT HAS THEIR OWN LOTS, THAT HAS THEIR OWN PARCELS AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DRIVEWAY AND THEY HAVE AMPLE DRIVEWAY, THERE'S, THEY DON'T HAVE TO REGISTER. THE REGISTRATION IS TO HAVE THOSE EXTRA TWO PERMITS TO PARK ALONG THE STREET NOW. SO IT'S ONLY IF YOU WANT A PIECE OF THE STREET YES. AND PIECE OF THE STREET , AND IF THEY HAVE A BIRTHDAY PARTY OR SOMETHING DOES OCCUR LIKE THAT, UH, THEY CAN SET THAT UP. SO ENFORCEMENT WON'T HAPPEN IN THE, THAT AREA DURING THE TIME OF THEIR PARTY OR EVENT THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE HAVING AT THEIR HOME. UM, THAT IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO RESIDENTS, NOT STR. SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO REGISTER TO HAVE THAT IN THERE. IS THERE A REASON WE COULDN'T DO A HANG TAG OPTION FOR SOMEBODY WHO JUST SAYS, I DON'T WANNA REGISTER MY CAR, GIVE ME A OLD FASHIONED THING. I'M THINKING OF ONE RESIDENT IN PARTICULAR WHO'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE DIFFICULTY WITH THIS AND WHY NOT JUST HAVE THAT AS AN OPTION. SAY, LOOK, REGISTER. BUT IF YOU DON'T, YOU PAY FIVE BUCKS AND WE'LL GIVE YOU ONE OF THESE TAGS, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR IT IF YOU WOULD LOSE IT. I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT THE, THE THING IS THAT THAT TAG BECOMES THE, THE ISSUE THAT, UH, SOME PARKING GROUP MEMBERS BROUGHT UP IS THAT TAG GETS LOST, STOLEN, BROKEN, ET CETERA, AND IT BRINGS BACK A, A SECOND DATABASE THAT THE CITY HAS TO MAINTAIN. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU GUYS BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE. THE, THE, THE OTHER ITEM IS THAT, UM, HAVING THAT TECHNOLOGY THERE, IT MAKES IT VERY QUICK AND EASY TO TRANSFER YOUR, UH, PERMITS TO A FRIEND OR SOMETHING, OR A LAST MINUTE OR, UH, YOU GOT SOME LANDSCAPERS OR, UH, PEOPLE REDOING A REALLY EXPENSIVE KITCHEN. UM, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO, OKAY. ARE WE READY TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT? I, I KINDA LIKE THE IDEA OF GIVING PEOPLE AN OPTION. THIS IS, THIS IS POTENTIALLY COMING. WOULD YOU PREFER A, YOU KNOW, A PLACARD OR WOULD YOU PREFER AN APP? AND SOME MAY WANT ONE, SOME MAY WANT SOME MAY NOT WANT ANYTHING AND SOME MAY NOT NEED ANYTHING. SOME PEOPLE DON'T HAVE VISITORS, THANKFULLY . UM, SO , [05:20:04] I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR READINESS AND SO THAT SOMETHING CAN BE IMPLEMENTED. IMPLEMENTED WHEN, WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE TRIGGERED. SO I'M, I'M FINE WITH GETTING READY, BUT I DO THINK A, AN ANALOG OPTION, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE THERE FOR THAT. SOMEONE, WE DO HAVE OLDER PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO DON'T HAVE SMARTPHONES AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE 'EM AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET A QR CODE. RIGHT. THEY CAN, THEY CAN BE REGISTERED, UH, MANUALLY BY A CITY OF SEDONA EMPLOYEE AND WE ENTER THEIR INFORMATION AND THEIR CAR IS REGISTERED BY THEIR LICENSE PLATE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO HANG A PLACARD. NOW IF THEY DON'T WANT TO ENTER THEIR INFORMATION IN, THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE, THE LITTLE HANG TAG WOULD DO. BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO PROVE OR, OR GIVE US, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF INFORMATION BECAUSE THE COP'S GONNA COME BY AND SCAN. SO IF THEIR LITTLE HANG TAG IS NOT THERE, THEY MIGHT GET TICKETED OR IT GETS STOLEN OR THEY GAVE IT TO A FRIEND TO USE OR ET CETERA. WELL, YOU KNOW, DISABILITY PLACARDS ARE STILL A PLACARD. SO PEOPLE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT AND YOU PARK IN A DISABLED SPOT, YOU'RE THAT TICKET LIABLE TO GET A TICKET. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND THE HANG TAG MAY ALSO BE FOR SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T WANNA REGISTER THEIR HOUSEKEEPER OR THE POOL OR, YOU KNOW, TELL THEIR HOUSEKEEPER, HEY, I LEFT THE, I LEFT THE HANG TAG UNDER THE DOORMAT. JUST MAKE SURE YOU PUT IT ON THERE WHEN YOU PARK YOUR CAR OR SOMETHING. I MEAN, THAT, THAT ONE JUST, SO THE OPTIONS THERE FOR PEOPLE WHO EITHER TECHNOLOGICALLY CHALLENGED OR DON'T WANNA REGISTER OR THEIR CELL PHONES DON'T WORK IN UPTOWN LIKE MINE. I MEAN I'VE TRIED USING THE PARKING SYSTEM AND FLAGSTAFF WHERE YOU SCAN THE THING AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT WORKS, SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T. SO, AND THIS WILL ALL BE VETTED, SO IF IT DOESN'T WORK IN THE AREAS, WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRYING BOARD WITH TECHNOLOGY OF COURSE. BUT LIKE, IT, IT, THE, THE, THE ACTUAL OPERATIONS OF THE TECHNOLOGY WILL BE VETTED IN ALL AREAS OF, OF, OF THAT IT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED IN. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE WILLINGNESS TO, TO UH, APPROVE THIS WITH AN OPTION FOR YOU FIGURE OUT AN OPTION FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TECHNOLOGY CHALLENGED. AND THERE IS AN OPTION IN THE RPP EXHIBIT. I THINK IT'S B OR OR C. THERE IS AN OPTION WRITTEN IN THERE WHERE IT IS A PAPER OR A TAG. SO THAT OPTION IS THERE LISTED IN THE OKAY. RESIDENTIAL PARKING PROGRAM. SO SOMEBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION THEN DON'T MAKE A MOTION, WE CAN'T APPROVE IT. THE THE TWO ITEMS I HEARD YOU IDENTIFY WERE MOVE FORWARD WITH NEGOTIATING THE SURFACE LOT LEASES AND THE RPP IMPLEMENTATION PLAN IS WHAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. I CAN'T HEAR YOU. YEAH. OH, I'M SORRY. UH, THE TWO ITEMS I HEARD YOU DESCRIBE ARE MOVE FORWARD WITH NEGOTIATING THE SURFACE LOT LEASES AND UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RPP READINESS PLAN WITH AN OPTION FOR A PAPER HANG TAG, YOU KNOW? CORRECT. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO YOU TALKED ABOUT. I KNOW SHE DOESN'T WANNA MAKE THE MOTION SO SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TO CAPABLE MOTION STAND UP AND MAKE A MOTION. RIGHT. THOSE OF YOU WHO WANT IT. RIGHT. OKAY. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE SURFACE. WAIT, YEAH, YOU, YOU'RE ONLY SPEAKING TO THE APPROVING, IT'S DIRECTING STAFF TO BEGINNING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PARKING PROGRAM. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANNA SPEAK TO? SURE. , WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD THEN COUNSEL, I DON'T WANNA MAKE THIS MOTION AND NETTE JUST MADE THE MOTION BASICALLY. ALRIGHT. I MOVED TO APPROVE AND WELL, I MOVED TO DIRECT STAFF TO BEGIN IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PARKING PROGRAM READINESS MEASURES INCLUDING SAFETY AND CODE COMPLIANCE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE PROPOSED UPTOWN RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PARKING AREA IN PREPARATION FOR FULL IMPLEMENTATION IF THE ESTABLISHED IMPLEMENTATION TRIGGERS ARE MET AND CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZES FULL IMPLEMENTATION. AND THEN THERE WAS THE SECOND PIECE [05:25:02] TO DIRECT STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH NEGOTIATING THE SURFACE LOT LEASES AND TO DIRECT STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DO THAT SEPARATELY, BUT NO, YOU GAVE IT TO HIM. HE IS DOING IT AND TO DIRECT STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH NEGOTIATION OF SERVICE LOT LEASES. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NO. OKAY. NOW WE HAVE ONE OTHER, DO WE HAVE ONE OTHER? DID YOU WANT SOMETHING ELSE? EMPLOYEE PARKING PROGRAM? THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM THAT'S NOT GETTING APPROVED. . WELL, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS GO BACK AND CONTINUE WORKING ON THE EMPLOYEE PARKING PROGRAM WITH THE WORK GROUP IS WHAT I THOUGHT I TOOK AWAY FROM THE EARLIER DISCUSSION. IT WASN'T READY AND RECOGNIZING THERE'S WAYS AROUND THE GIFT CLAUSE. OKAY. SEE, IT SHOULDN'T BE AN IMPEDIMENT. IT SHOULD BE HOW DO WE DO THIS AND NOT RISK, UH, LEGAL ISSUES WITH THE GIFT CLAUSE. AND MAYBE YOU COULD BE CREATIVE. TRY MY BEST FOR SURE. I ALSO HEARD EARLIER, UM, I THINK I HEARD A MAJORITY SAY THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO, UM, GO FORWARD WITH THE PARKING WORK GROUP RECOMMENDATION ABOUT A $25 FEE, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE. SO I DON'T, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON THAT TO KILL THAT? OR IS IT ENOUGH MONIQUE THAT THEY'VE JUST VERBALLY SAID THEY DON'T SUPPORT IT? WELL, I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. HOW ARE YOU GONNA MOVE FROM THE PARKING, THE CURRENT GROUP TO THIS ADVISORY GROUP? HOW ARE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU TAKING SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHOLE NEW GROUP OR WHAT IS THE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? IT, THERE WAS GONNA BE AN APPLICATION. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IS THAT WE HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE WITHIN THE AREA THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. UM, SO WE COULD HAVE BUSINESSES, EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS RESIDENTS AROUND THE R AND THAT APPLICATION WOULD BE AN APPLICATION TO THE CITY TO, FOR THE, SO AGAIN, YEAH, THAT KILLS THE $25 THING RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M ASKING LEGAL, DO THEY NEED TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON THAT AND YOU KNOW, UH, KILL IT OR IS IT OKAY THAT THEY JUST PICK OUT THE ONES THAT THEY WANNA VOTE ON AND LEAVE THE OTHERS? UH, I THINK DIRECTION IS, I THINK DIRECTION IS ENOUGH BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL WHEN IT TRANSITIONS INTO THE, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT GROUP THAN IT IS NOW. IS THAT, IS THAT TRUE? GUILLERMO'S IS THE PARKING. WE, WE DON'T APPOINT THE PEOPLE. I'M JUST, THE TECHNICALITY FOR ME IS JUST, DO WE NEED THEM TO VOTE? DON'T DO THIS. AS LONG AS WE'VE HEARD IT, WE UNDERSTAND THEY DON'T WANT IT. BUT YOU KNOW, FOR THE RECORD, THE PERMANENT DECISION MAKING RECORD, DO THEY NEED TO, AS LONG AS YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION THAT, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY YOU COULD ADD THAT. SO IT'S VERY CLEAR, UM, ABOUT THE $25 GOVERNANCE FEE. GO AHEAD, BRIAN. OKAY. BUT ANDY GUILLERMO, GIVEN WHAT APPEARS TO BE DIRECTION TO GO BACK TO THE PARKING WORKING GROUP, ESSENTIALLY, UM, WOULD YOU REALLY WANNA CHANGE UP WHO THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE IS AT THIS POINT, GIVEN THE INVESTMENT OF TIME AND CONTINUITY? I MEAN RIGHT. WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THAT GROUP FOR UNTIL WE GET PAST A GOAL LINE HERE WITH COUNCIL? YEAH. YES, YOU ARE CORRECT. THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT, SORRY. NO, I I DO NOT INTEND ON CHANGING THAT GROUP AT THIS TIME. THAT THAT CHANGE WOULD'VE HAPPENED, UM, IF THE FRAMEWORK WAS APPROVED AND THEN WE WOULD BE GATHERING THE NEW GROUP. SO WHEN A FRAMEWORK IS APPROVED, THAT'S WHEN THE NEW ADVISORY GROUP WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED. OKAY. SO, SO WE DON'T NEED ANYTHING MORE ON THIS ITEM. I JUST WANNA CONFIRM EVERY, EVERY DIRECTION THAT, THAT I GOT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT THE $25 FEE IS NOT SUPPORTED. RIGHT? UM, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE EMPLOYERS TO PARTICIPATE FINANCIALLY, GET THE LEASES SIGNED. MM-HMM . AND WE'RE GONNA REVIEW THE WHOLE, THE, THE FRAMEWORK, UH, INCLUDING, UH, LOOKING FOR LOOPHOLES FOR THE GIFT CLAUSE. WE, IT WAS ON EVERYTHING. WE WANNA ENCOURAGE EMPLOYERS, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? EMPLOYERS? YES. OKAY, GOOD. OKAY. WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM. CAN I JUST, UM, BEFORE WE CLOSE IT OUT, CAN I JUST SAY, GUILLERMO, THIS WAS YOUR FIRST PRESENTATION TO THIS COUNCIL AND I KNOW THIS WAS [05:30:01] A REALLY TOUGH ONE AND I WANNA SAY YOU DID A GREAT JOB AND YOU WERE PATIENT AND YOU ARE THOROUGH. AND I WANTED TO, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPERTISE AND FOR YOUR PROFESSIONALISM. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU BRING TO US. I APPRECIATE IT. UH, THIS IS, THIS WAS A TEAM EFFORT. ANDY CHRISTIE, THE PARKING WORK GROUP UM, EVERY, UH, STAFF MEMBER THAT I WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH AND THE PARKING WORKING GROUP, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT PUT THIS FRAMEWORK TOGETHER. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT, THAT I JUST KIND OF ORGANIZED THEIR THOUGHTS AND PUT IT ONTO PAPER. SO THEY ARE THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT WE SHOULD BE, UH, THANKING FOR THIS AND, UH, THE STAFF SUPPORT THAT, THAT WE GAVE THEM. SO, THANK YOU. SEEING YOU'RE HUMBLE ALSO. YEAH. . OKAY. WE HAVE ONE [9.e. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items. ] MORE ITEM DISCUSSION. AB 30 66, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. I HAD ONE AND THAT WAS, NOW THAT WE HAVE JULIE ON BOARD, CAN WE HAVE HER DEVELOP A COMMUNICATION PLAN AND PRESENT IT TO COUNSEL AT SOME FUTURE DATE? YES, IT'S ALREADY IN THE WORKS. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE WANT, DO WE WANT TO HAVE A FUTURE, A DISCUSSION ABOUT WAIVING, UH, GARAGE RATES FOR CERTAIN EVENTS? OR IS THAT WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW ANYWAY? WE DON'T NEED TO. YOU'RE RIGHT. WITH, WITH EVERYTHING. WE FORGOT TO COME BACK TO THAT. AND I DID WANNA MAKE A MOTION OR GET SOMETHING ON THE RECORD OF OUR INTENT HERE. SO, UM, IS THAT OUT OF LINE WHERE WE ARE IN THE AGENDA NOW? CAN I GO BACK TO THIS AS A MOTION ON A PREVIOUS ITEM? IT WAS, IT WAS NOT AGENDIZED FOR A MOTION FOR THIS EVENING, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO PUT ON HERE IN THE FUTURE. IT COULD BE COMBINED WITH COMING BACK WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEE PARKING. I MEAN, YOU COULD JUST BE, UM, THE NEXT TIME GUILLERMO COMES BACK, UH, WITH SOMETHING PARKING RELATED, BRING FORTH. IT'S ACTUALLY SEPARATE IN THE SENSE. YEAH, IT'LL BE SEPARATE. IT WON'T BE PACKAGED TOGETHER. UH, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE SEPARATE THAT. YEAH. I'M HAPPY TO NOTE THAT FOR A FUTURE MEETING TO BRING BACK THE, YOU KNOW, POLICY GUIDANCE TO STAFF ON WHEN WE CAN WAIVE FEES FOR THE PARKING GARAGE. YEAH. YEAH. EASY. EVERYONE GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH. OKAY. YOU KNOW, WE EVEN HAVE A GARAGE, SO WAVING THE GARAGE. . OKAY. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE FOR [11. ADJOURNMENT] THE GOOD OF THE ORDER. WE ARE ADJOURNED. I THINK WE'RE A. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.