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OKAY, I AM CALLING THIS MEETING
[1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE ]
TO ORDER, UH, SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 26TH AT 2:30 PM PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES.
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL.
MADAM CLERK, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? MAYOR PLU.
HE, HE'LL BE LATE, BUT HE WILL BE HERE.
[3.a. AB 3377 Discussion/possible direction regarding the 50% status update on the decarbonization planning and design project. ]
BUSINESS TODAY, AB 33 77.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING THE 50% STATUS UPDATE ON THE DECARBONIZATION PLANNING AND DESIGN PROJECT.
UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UH, BRYCE SPEC SUSTAINABILITY, UH, MANAGER HERE TO CHAT ABOUT OUR UPDATE FOR OUR DECARBONIZATION PLANNING AND DESIGN PROJECT THAT WE'RE, UH, JUST PAST THAT, THE HALFWAY POINT FOR THAT.
WE'RE EXCITED TO, TO GO THROUGH THAT.
UH, ALSO HAVE MEMBERS OF OUR DESIGN TEAM THAT ARE, UH, ATTENDING VIRTUALLY, AND THEY'LL BE COVERING A SECTION AS WE GET THROUGH THE SLIDES.
I'LL BE HANDING IT OFF TO THEM.
JUST A QUICK RECAP OF WHAT WE'LL COVER FOR THE AGENDA IN THIS PRESENTATION WAS JUST A OVER, UH, KIND OF REFRESHER ON OUR DECARBONIZATION ROADMAP OVERVIEW AND TIMELINE REFRESHER ON THE SCOPE OF WORK AND LOCATIONS ON AN UPDATED PROJECT TIMELINE AS WELL.
AND THEN, UH, STATUS UPDATES, AND PARTICULAR A COUPLE OF FEEDBACK SPOTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
UH, THAT'LL BE COMING UP HERE.
UM, JUST TO KIND OF HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW, HIGHLIGHT THOSE, UM, TASKS THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WORK.
AND THEN ALLOWING TIME IF YOU WANNA DIVE DOWN INTO MORE OF IT.
UH, IN PARTICULAR SECTION, UH, THAT CATCHES YOUR FANCIER, THE LIKE.
SO IT'S JUST A UPDATED, UH, TIMELINE HERE IS THAT, UH, WE HAD FINISHED THE MUNICIPAL DECARBONIZATION ROADMAP ALL THE WAY BACK IN FALL OF 24.
WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF GETTING THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY CONSERVATION BLOCK GRANT GOING THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT, AND THEN KICKING OFF THE PROJECT IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
WE HELD SOME OPEN HOUSES AND, UH, HAD SOME COMMUNITY SURVEYS AND, UM, STAFF SURVEYS AS WELL AS HELD SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, LIKE INFORMAL LIKE KIND OF COFFEE CHAT SESSIONS TO ALLOW FOLKS TO STOP BY AND ASK US QUESTIONS ON THE PROJECT.
UH, THE DESIGN, UH, 50% DESIGN DOCUMENT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET WAS SUBMITTED TO US, UH, IN JULY OF THIS YEAR.
AND THEN HERE WE ARE, UH, IN AUGUST TO PROVIDE THAT UPDATE.
AND THEN GOING FORWARD, WE'RE LOOKING TO REFINE THAT DESIGN, GET US TO A SPOT WHERE WE CAN, UH, THEN COME BACK TO COUNCIL TO, UH, HIGHLIGHT WHERE WE GOT WITHIN THE DESIGN PROCESS, AND THEN IDEALLY START WORKING ON POTENTIAL RFPS, UH, TO START TO GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE ACTUAL COST TO GO IMPLEMENT THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DESIGNING.
UM, AND, UH, TO, UH, BREAK, BREAK GROUND ON ALL THE EFFORTS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR WELL OVER A COUPLE YEARS NOW.
THIS, UH, HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW, SEEN THIS SLIDE, UH, BEFORE, BUT, UH, OUR, UM, OUR DESIGN TEAM IS, UH, ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SYSTEMS CONSULTING AND EVERGREEN POWER.
UH, THEY'RE A PART OF THE FRANKLIN ENERGY GROUP.
UH, THE ENTIRE PROJECT, UH, FOR THIS, UH, LEG OF THE, THE JOURNEY IS, UH, COVERED THROUGH AN ENERGY EFFICIENCY CONSERVATION BLOCK GRANT.
UH, THAT WAS $250,000 THAT WAS APPROVED, UH, BY COUNSEL TO EXCEED RECEIVE THE AWARDS IN MAY OF 2025 WITH FUNDING ENDING AT THE END OF THIS, UH, THIS YEAR.
AND SO WE'RE, UH, WELL IN TIME, TIME WITHIN OUR PROJECT TO, TO MATCH THE END OF THE FUNDING AND SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE THE DESIGN PROJECT IN, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF THE GRANT.
AND YOU'VE SEEN THIS SLIDE BEFORE AS WELL.
JUST A KIND OF RECAP OF THE SCOPE OF WORK.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE INVOLVED WITHIN THAT.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING FROM SOLAR PV SYSTEMS, EV INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, MICROGRID FEASIBILITY ASSESSMENT, UH, AS WELL AS CONCEPTUAL DESIGN FOR HEAT MITIGATION AND ADAPTATION.
THAT ONE, UH, DESIGN PIECE IS REALLY TO HELP PROVIDE A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF WHAT COUNCIL MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN SEEING MORE OF.
IF, IF WE WANT TO, UH, DO MORE, UM, RESEARCH, DESIGN BACKGROUND FINANCIALS
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WITHIN THAT IS THAT TO GIVE, SET US A BASELINE, UH, FOR THAT.'CAUSE HEAT MITIGATION AND DESIGN WASN'T IN THE ORIGINAL DECARBONIZATION ROADMAP.
IT WAS AN ADDITIONAL PIECE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO INCLUDE IN THE EFFICIENT, UH, ENERGY EFFICIENCY CONSERVATION BLOCK GRANT.
AND IT, UH, COVERS ALL OF THE MUNICIPAL LOCATIONS, UH, THAT YOU, UH, SEE UP ON THE, THE TABLE HERE.
IT SAYS, UH, EVERYTHING THAT WAS WITHIN THE DECARBONIZATION ROADMAP, ESSENTIALLY THAT ROADMAP WAS THEN UTILIZED FOR THE GRANT ITSELF.
UH, AND SO ALL OF THE SCOPES APPLY TO ALL OF THE LOCATIONS.
AND THEN AS, UH, WE GO THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS, UH, CERTAIN, UM, PROJECTS DON'T QUITE FIT AT EACH RESPECTIVE LOCATION.
AND SO THEN THE PROJECTS ARE THEN TAILORED, UH, TO THE LOCATIONS THAT WE, UM, ARE THEN GOING THROUGH AN ANALYZATION AND EVALUATION PROCESS.
AND THEN FOR UPDATED, UH, PROJECT TIMELINE.
UM, SO WE, AS WE KICKED THAT, THE WHOLE PROJECT OFF THERE IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, UH, WE'RE STILL GONNA BE LOOKING TO HOST SOME ADDITIONAL OPEN, UH, SESSIONS HERE, OR, UH, INFORMAL OPEN QUESTION SESSIONS, UH, HERE IN SEPTEMBER, AS WELL AS AN ADDITIONAL, UH, OPEN HOUSE SESSION.
UM, AND THEN GATHER, UH, THE FINE TUNE THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GET, LOOK TO FINALIZE THAT DESIGN, UH, AS WE GET INTO SEPTEMBER AND, UH, THROUGH NOVEMBER, AND THEN COME BACK TO COUNCIL IN DECEMBER, UH, TO, TO HIGHLIGHT WHERE WE, UH, FINISHED FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROJECT.
AND WITH THAT, WE'LL START TO TRANSITION INTO, UH, OUR STATUS UPDATES, WHERE MY COLLEAGUES ON THE, THE, THE CALL WILL BE ABLE TO, TO FILL MORE IN FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON THE DESIGN SIDE OF THINGS.
UH, THE NEXT TWO SLIDES, UH, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE ARE REALLY FOCUSED ON, UM, SOLAR PV AT CITY HALL, AS WELL AS EV INFRASTRUCTURE AT CITY HALL.
UH, AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE DESIGN AND GONE THROUGH, UM, GATHERING ALL THE FEEDBACK, CHATTING WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM AND OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TEAM, UH, JUST THE CITY HALL COMPLEX WITH ALL THE MOVING PARTS AND THE THINGS THAT WE'RE, UM, ENGAGED WITH HERE.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON SIDING OF THOSE, THOSE STATIONS IN PARTICULAR, THOSE SCOPE ITEMS, UH, TO HELP US REFINE THAT GOING FORWARD, UM, SINCE WE WANT THAT FEEDBACK TO, TO MAKE A A, A WORTHWHILE PRODUCT, UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY.
UH, AND WITH THAT, I'LL HAND IT OFF TO MY COLLEAGUES IF, UH, HOPEFULLY THEY, I SEE 'EM ON THE SCREEN, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY'RE ABLE TO JOIN US HERE.
JUST MAKING SURE YOU GUYS CAN HEAR ME OKAY? YES.
I'VE BEEN THE ELECTRICAL ENGINEER LEADING THIS PROJECT.
UM, AS BRYCE SAID, THIS FIRST TWO SLIDES WE'RE GONNA KIND OF FOCUS ON THE CITY HALL SOLAR DESIGN AND SIMILAR APPROACHES, UH, AT, AT THE OTHER SITES.
THIS ONE SEEMED TO HAVE THE MOST IMPACT TO THE MOST BUILDINGS AND THE MOST ENERGY USERS.
UM, SO KIND OF INITIALLY LAYING THINGS OUT, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE SNOG A LOT, BUT AFTER SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOUR TEAM AND BRYCE'S TEAM AND, UH, A CLOSER LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, OBSTRUCTIONS THAT MIGHT BE PROVIDED TO YOUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH THERE, AS WELL AS SOME UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THE FUTURE CITY PLANS, WE DECIDED TO MOVE THINGS CLOSER INTO THE ACTUAL, UH, CITY HALL PARKING THERE.
AND SO IT'S, UH, ABOUT A 260 KILOWATT SYSTEM RIGHT NOW.
IT'S PLANNED TO BE CONNECTED TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BUILDING WHERE MOST OF THE EV CHARGERS ARE GONNA BE INSTALLED.
UM, SO BE KIND OF THE BEST VALUE FOR OFFSETTING ELECTRICAL USE.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S STILL IS SOME FLEXIBILITY IF WE WANT TO DESIGN IN CONNECTIONS TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS, UM, DEPENDING ON HOW THE UTILITY UPGRADES GO, WHICH WE'LL TOUCH ON SHORTLY.
AND, UM, WE LOOKED INTO SOME OPTIONS AROUND, YOU KNOW, THE INTERIOR SPACE AND SOME OF THE OTHER KIND OF SHADE AREAS.
BUT, UM, THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, SOME OBSTRUCTIONS TO DEAL WITH A LOT MORE TREES.
AND THEN REALLY JUST, UM, NOT PROVIDING ENOUGH PRODUCTION.
SO YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA INSTALL A CARPORT, WHICH IS A DECENT FINANCIAL ENDEAVOR, UH, VERSUS SOMETHING ON THE ROOFTOP, YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN GET A GOOD AMOUNT OF PRODUCTION FROM IT.
UM, THESE BUILDINGS WERE NOT REALLY PLANNED TO HAVE ROOFTOP, AND THERE'S NOT A TON OF SPACE WITH NEEDING TO PROVIDE, UM, ACCESS TO THE HVAC UNITS AND WHATNOT.
SO THE ROOFTOP OPTION WAS NOT FEASIBLE HERE.
AND JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT ALAN WAS MENTIONING ON, UH,
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SOME OF THE, THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WITHIN THIS SITE, UM, WAS THAT IN BETWEEN THE ADMIN BUILDING AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BUILDING, THERE'S THE, THE WALKWAY THAT'S KIND OF IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO SPACES.THE THOUGHT WAS MAYBE WE COULD PUT A SHADE STRUCTURE THERE THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME SOLAR, UM, THE, UH, GAZEBO THAT'S JUST OUTSIDE OF THE, THE BUILDING HERE.
UM, WE THOUGHT WE COULD GET MORE SHADING IN THAT LOCATION.
UH, BUT THEN AS ALLEN REFERENCED, IT'S JUST, UH, IT INCREASES THE COMPLEXITY OF THE PROJECT, UM, POTENTIALLY THEN IN, IN TURN, IN TURN INCREASES THE COST FOR IT.
SO THEN THE FOCUS WAS, UH, MORE TOWARDS THOSE CARPORTS, AS ALAN HAS MENTIONED.
COULD WE ASK QUESTIONS AS WE GO ALONG? UM, SO JUST TO BACK UP A LITTLE MM-HMM
UM, HOW DID YOU DECIDE, I MEAN, THERE ARE A RANGE OF PROJECTS HERE, UH, TYPES OF PROJECTS AND OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
UM, HOW DID YOU DECIDE THAT THIS ONE SOUNDS LIKE IT, ONE YOU DEFINITELY WANT TO GO AHEAD WITH FIRST.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND IF SO, HOW ARE YOU PRIORITIZING THESE? I MEAN, THE MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK THAT IT AFFECTS THE MOST PEOPLE? HOW DO YOU ASSESS THAT? SO THE, UM, GREAT QUESTION, UH, COUNSELOR, THE, THE PRIORITIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE, THE ROADMAP TO, TO GET US FOR OUR MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS, UM, TO REDUCE OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, ESSENTIALLY SET THE B UH, THE BAR OF WHAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT FOR THE PROJECTS THEMSELVES.
UH, IN TERMS OF SEQUENCING OF WHEN THE, THE, WHICH PROJECT WE START TO DO FIRST.
UM, WE'VE, WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH SOME ITERATIONS OF WHICH ONE WE WOULD WANT TO TACKLE.
UH, THE, UH, REASON WHY WE BRING UP THE SOLAR PV HERE AT CITY HALL FIRST IS THIS ONE'S JUST THE MOST COMPLICATED.
UH, THE ONES THAT SAY BREWER ROAD SITES OR WASTEWATER, A LITTLE BIT MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UH, BUT THEN SINCE THIS HAS, UH, VERY MIXED USE, UH, IMPACTS ON, UM, PARKING, UM, AVAILABILITY, SOME ROOF STRUCTURE COMPONENTS, THAT'S WHERE WE WANTED JUST, UH, TO GET THE FEED OR THE FEEDBACK FIRST FOR US TO BE ABLE TO, TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE DESIGN.
UH, AND THEN AS WE GET, UM, THE DESIGN PHASED OUT, IT'S THEN LOOKING AT THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS COMPONENTS, AND THEN BALANCING THAT WITH THE COST ESTIMATES THAT WE GET OUT OF THE DESIGN.
AND THEN WE'LL START TO BE ABLE TO, TO STRUCTURE THOSE IN A WAY TO WHICH ONES TO DO FIRST THAT HAVE THE, THE MOST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK, SO TO SPEAK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
IS, ARE THE EV CHARGERS ON THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING MM-HMM
ARE THEY IN ADDITION TO THE ONES THAT ARE OUT FRONT? YEAH.
SO, UM, DEFINITELY I'LL, I'LL COVER THAT IN THE, IN THE, THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND THAT'S DEFINITELY ONE THING WE WANT FROM FEEDBACK ON HOW WE LOOK AT, UH, THE PARKING SPACES.
AND LIKE, BRYCE, DID YOU GET MORE CAPACITY MOVING IT TO THE MAIN SITE HERE? UH, I'LL DEFER THAT ONE.
UH, ALAN DID, UH, ALAN, DID YOU HEAR THAT QUESTION? YEAH, I, I THINK THERE WAS, MAYBE WE DID ADD SOME KILOWATTS, SO THAT WOULD YEAH, IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIGGER.
GOOD ON THE EV UH, CHARGER SIDE OF THINGS.
UM, SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE CHARGEPOINT, UH, CHARGERS THAT ARE AT, AT THE SOUTH END OF THE FACILITY.
UH, THOSE ONES JUST RECENTLY, UH, TRANSITIONED INTO, UM, OUR, LIKE, FULL ON CITY OWNERSHIP.
AND THEN THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE, THE CAMPUS, UH, THOSE ONES ARE FLEET FACING, UM, CHARGERS AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN, UH, AS ALAN WILL GET INTO THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'RE GOING INTO THE DESIGN OF HOW WE LOOK AT THE, THE PARKING SPACES ARE ESSENTIALLY VIEWED AS FLEET PARKING SPACES RIGHT NOW.
THE FLEET PARK A LITTLE BIT ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND IT'S NOT PREDICTABLE.
THE IDEA IS THAT ONCE WE'RE ABLE TO DESIGNATE WHERE, UM, EV CHARGING SPACES WOULD GO, THAT YOU START THE TRANSITION TO SAY, THIS IS FLEET PARKING.
YOU CAN SCALE THAT DEPENDING ON, UH, HOW ONCE YOU GET ALL THE FLEET IN THEIR PLACE.
SO YOU CAN THEN SAY, OKAY, THIS IS FLEET AND EV, BUT AS LONG AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PLACE, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHEN YOU MAKE THAT FULL TRANSITION TO SAY, FLEET PARKING, AS LONG AS THE HEAD UNITS ARE THERE TO ULTIMATELY MAKE THE, THE CHARGING.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FLEET, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S CALLED WHAT'S, UH, SIGNED AS POOL? THAT WOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED IN THE FLEET.
IT'D BE, UH, STARTING TO TRANSITION THOSE ALL TO SPECIFIC PLACES, UH, LIKE THAT ARE OUTLINED, UH, HERE AND IDEALLY TRANSITIONED OFF OF THE IMMEDIATE PROPERTY SO PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY FIND A PLACE TO PARK.
AND IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, BY THE WAY, THAT ALL THESE POOL VEHICLES ARE NOW SIGNED OUT HERE.
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'CAUSE PEOPLE THAT WANNA COME TO CITY HALL HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING PARKING PLACES THAT, THAT, AS, AS, ONE OF THE GOALS WITHIN THAT IS THAT WE CAN, UH, AS THE INITIAL DESIGN OF ALAN, UM, AS WE HAVE, HAVE HERE THE, THAT RED SECTION OF THE RED BOX WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY LIKE PHASE THREE FOUR.THAT'S WHERE THE INITIAL DESIGN AND THE 50% LANDED.
UH, BUT THAT OBVIOUSLY TAKES UP A GOOD AMOUNT OF THE, THE CARPORT SPACES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE.
UM, SO THE IDEA IS THE SHIFT THAT DOWN TO THE AWA LOT TO GET THOSE FLEET VEHICLES FURTHER AWAY THAN FROM THE MAIN COMPLEX TO HOPEFULLY HELP CREATE, UH, MORE PREDICTABLE PARKING IN THE AREA.
AND THEN I'LL HAND IT OFF TO, UH, ALAN TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE EV CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE LOOKED AT.
SO AS, UM, BRYCE WAS MENTIONING, WE'RE LOOKING TO PHASE THIS AND WE UNDERSTAND FROM HIS FEEDBACK THAT THE DEEP CFA CHARGER FOR THE POLICE IS KIND OF TYPE TOP PRIORITY.
AND SO THAT ONE IS ASSOCIATED WITH A, A SERVICE UPGRADE ESSENTIALLY.
'CAUSE THAT THING DRAWS PROBABLY MORE POWER THAN THE WHOLE STATION DOES RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO YOU'LL SEE WHEN WE GET IN IN THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES, THE ELECTRICAL UPGRADES REQUIRED FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN, AS BRYCE WAS MENTIONING, KIND OF DID AN INITIAL LAYOUT CLOSER TO, UH, THE BUILDINGS AND THE CAMPUS.
BUT I, WE HEAR YOU ON, YOU KNOW, CON CONFLICTS WITH PEOPLE NOT SURE IF THEY SHOULD PARK IN AN EV ZONE OR IF IT'S, IT'S TO BE EV ONLY.
AND SO I THINK THERE WAS A NICE, UH, LOCATION THERE IN THE PINK IN SENAGAL LOT.
AND SO WE CAN KIND OF PLACE SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT OUT IN THAT AREA, SOME OF THE MAIN SWITCHBOARDS, AND THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO SERVE, YOU KNOW, UP INTO THE GREEN SPACE, DOWN INTO THE PINK AREA, BACK UNDER THE EXISTING CANOPY ACROSS FROM THE COURTHOUSE.
SO KIND OF APPROACHING IT IN THAT SENSE WILL GIVE YOU THAT FLEXIBILITY.
UM, THE WAY THE IS INCLUDED, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 16 NEW EV CHARGING SPACES.
AND SO ACTUALLY THE GREEN, OR SORRY, THE PINK AREA WOUND UP FITTING PERFECTLY.
UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF REAL ESTATE IN THAT AREA TO PUT CHARGERS, SO WE WOULD'VE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RES STRIPING.
UM, BUT THERE'S JUST ENOUGH FOR 16, BELIEVE IT WAS NINE FOOT WIDE, 20 FOOT LONG SPACES THERE AND JUST NEED TO REMOVE THE ONE CURVE RIGHT.
SO IT'S A LITTLE, A LITTLE HARD TO SEE HERE, BUT AS ALAN WAS MENTIONING ON THE, THE PREVIOUS, UH, SLIDE IS THAT THE, THESE CARPORTS RIGHT NOW WOULD BE DESIGNED TO KIND OF CONNECT TO THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UH, OF THE COM DEV BUILDING, AND THEN THE EV CHARGERS, UM, FOR THE GREEN SECTION.
AND THE, THE PINK WOULD ALSO THEN, UH, BE TIED BACK ACROSS THE PARKING LOT.
WE ALREADY HAVE A LINE, UH, THAT GOES TO THE CHARGERS THAT WERE INSTALLED OVER THERE.
UM, AND THEN BEING ABLE TO THEN TIE THAT INTO THE SAME, SAME SYSTEM.
UH, SO ESSENTIALLY FOR THIS SPOT, UM, IT, WE WILL GET TO THE END FOR THE FEEDBACK SPOT.
IT WAS JUST CONFIRMATION OF IF, IF THIS IS A, A PREFERRED APPROACH, UH, FOR US TO GO WITH, UM, VERSUS TYING UP MORE, UH, CARPORTS ALONG OR, UH, CURRENT CARPORT SPACES ALONG THE EASTERN EDGE.
UH, AND SO WE'LL JUST WANT SOME FEEDBACK, UH, FROM COUNCIL UP THERE.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO RICE, WHAT ARE WE TARGETING? LIKE WHAT, WHAT IS OUR END GOAL FOR HOW MANY EV SPOTS? WHAT PERCENT OF THE TOTAL PARKING SPOTS? LIKE WHAT, WHAT'S OUR MISSION HERE? UH, SO THE MISSION IS MAINLY TO HAVE ENOUGH CHARGING TO DISSATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS OF, UH, THE FLEET ELECTRIFICATION.
UM, AND SO AS ALAN HAS MENTIONED, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 16 SPOTS, UM, UH, THAT WOULD BE FLEET ELECTRIC, UM, COMPONENT THAT WOULD BE, UH, DEDICATED TO, TO THAT, UH, THAT GOAL.
IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
DID YOU DO AN INVENTORY OF ALL THE PARKING SPACES? SO IN OTHER WORDS, IN ONE OF THE SLIDES IT TALKED ABOUT EITHER AT THE CITY HALL CAMPUS OR AT THE UA.
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YOU KNOW, HOW MANY SPACES WE HAVE IN TOTAL AND WHERE EMPLOYEES PARK THAT ARE DRIVING THEIR OWN CARS VERSUS FLEET CARS.'CAUSE IT FEELS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
AND I KNOW ANDY WAS WORKING ON SOME REJIGGERING, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN IT WAS LIKE THERE WAS NOWHERE TO PARK FOR FOR THE PUBLIC.
AND IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS SOME OF THE POLICE, UM, THAT ON WHEN YOU COME IN OFF OF ROADRUNNER, THEY SEEMED TO HAVE, UH, LOOSENED UP.
SO THOSE WERE ALL WERE POLICE.
NOW, SOME OF THEM WERE AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC.
SO IN UM, TERMS OF THE TOTAL PARKING SPACES, UH, SOMETHING I DON'T HAVE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AT THE MOMENT, BUT WE WILL, WE'LL GLADLY GET THAT, UM, GET THAT BACK FOR YOU.
ALL THE, THE NOTION IS THAT WE HAVE, UM, APPROXIMATELY AND POLICE DEPARTMENT VEHICLES WILL ALSO PARK UNDER, UH, UNDER THE, THE GARAGE HERE.
UH, AND THEN SOME OF THEM ARE TAKE HOME, SO THEY'RE NOT ON SITE, BUT AT ANY ONE POINT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT, SAY, 20 TO 30 FLEET VEHICLES THAT ARE WITHIN THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO THE THOUGHT WAS TO, UH, THAT THOSE 20 TO 30 RIGHT NOW ARE THERE, BUT THEY'RE JUST PARKING IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
BUT THE NOTION OF, UH, GETTING A BETTER NUMBER ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN TOTAL TERMS OF TOTAL SPACES, I CAN, WE CAN DO THAT AND COME BACK TO YOU WITH THAT.
JUST LEAVING THE PREMIER SPOTS FOR THE PUBLIC MM-HMM
AND THE LESS PREMIER SPOTS FOR THE STAFF.
I, I, WE'LL DEFINITELY GET, UH, SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT TO BE ABLE TO GET A BETTER RATIO, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
THE NEXT KINDA ITEM FOR US TO ADDRESS IS THE ELECTRICAL CAPACITY UPGRADES.
YOU TOUCHED ON THEM A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO DUE TO THE SOLAR EV CHARGERS AND UPCOMING SLIDES, TALK ABOUT HVAC ELECTRIFICATION.
UH, MOST OF THE SITES THAT WE LOOKED AT, UH, WILL REQUIRE SOME ELECTRICAL UPGRADES THROUGH A PS, ESSENTIALLY BREWER ROAD AND THE WASTEWATER PLANT ARE OMITTED, BUT ALL OF THE CITY HALL SITES, UM, AS WELL AS POSSE, GROUND HUB, ARE GONNA NEED, UH, ELECTRICAL UPGRADES.
THAT WAS BASICALLY DETERMINED WITH 2025 EXISTING PEAK DEMAND DATA THAT WE GOT FROM A PS.
SO WE REVIEWED ALL THE METER DATA, ALL THE PEAK LOADS, ADDED THE SOLAR PV, ELECTRIC ELECTRIFICATION LOADS, AND EV CHARGING, AND THEN WOUND UP, UM, IN SOME OF THE SINGLE LINE DIAGRAM, UH, DOCUMENTS, WHAT THOSE FINAL SIZES ARE GONNA BE FOR EACH SYSTEM.
AND SO NEXT STEPS WOULD BE COORDINATING WITH A PS.
UM, OUR PLAN IS AFTER THIS PROJECT IS DELIVERED, OR KIND OF BEFORE THE FINAL TO GET ALL THESE SITES ON THEIR RADAR SO THEY CAN DO THE PLANNING ON THEIR END NEEDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECTS.
AND ARE THOSE A PS UPGRADES AT AP S'S COST OR OURS? UH, THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SOME SHARED COST.
UM, I THINK THEY USUALLY, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT SORT OF WHAT THE PROJECTED LOADS ARE, WHAT THE REVENUE'S BEEN, UM, WITH YOUR EXISTING METER.
AND IF THINGS PAN OUT AND THEY BASICALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET MORE MONEY FROM YOU GUYS, UM, RUNNING MORE ELECTRICITY, THEN THEY CAN USUALLY EAT SOME OF THAT COST.
BUT THERE WILL BE SOME, SOME DECENT, UH, UPGRADES TO THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF ON YOUR ENDS, LIKE MAIN SWITCHBOARDS, UM, COUPLE OF TRANSFORMERS TO BACK FEED EXISTING PANELS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
AND, UH, JUST TO ADD TO WHAT ALAN'S MENTIONED IS, IS, UH, THIS IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE ROADMAP PROCESS, THEY REVIEWED ELECTRICAL CAPACITY PIECES, UH, AND PRETTY MUCH EVERY SINGLE, THE SAME LOCATIONS, UH, WAS POPPED UP AS A NEED FOR AN UPGRADE.
UM, AND THAT'S A SPOT WHERE WE WOULD DEFINITELY WANT MORE COLLABORATION WITH A PS AS WE GO FORWARD ON THAT.
AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, UH, TO HELP US REDUCE COSTS.
UH, WE DID INCLUDE A, UH, CIP PROJECT THAT IS SPECIFICALLY TIED TO ELECTRICAL CAPACITY UPGRADES AND FY 27.
A PORTION OF IT, UH, WOULD START, YEAH, A PORTION OF IT WOULD START THIS YEAR.
BRYCE, THIS, UH, PV SYSTEM, UH, IS ALL JUST STANDARD.
WE'RE NOT DOING ANY LOCAL STORAGE.
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ONE OF OUR SLIDES COMING UP, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MICROGRID FEASIBILITY.UM, AND SO THAT IS DEFINITELY A CONSIDERATION THAT WE WANT TO, TO, TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
'CAUSE IF WE'RE OVERPRODUCING ON THAT LINE, WE DON'T WANNA SEND ALL OF IT BACK TO A PS FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR.
WE WANNA BE ABLE TO, TO CAPTURE IT AND UTILIZE IT MORE EFFECTIVELY FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, UH, AS WELL AS JUST A, IF A, IF THERE'S AN OUTAGE OR IF SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, YOU COULD THEN RUN THAT MICROGRID.
SO IT IS A CONSIDERATION THAT WE'RE GOING.
ACTUALLY, IT WAS THE VERY NEXT ONE.
AS, UH, BRYCE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE SITES WE'RE LOOKING AT MICROGRID, FEASIBILITY, UM, THOSE WITH SOLAR PRODUCTION, UM, SOME THINGS THAT KIND OF KEEP IN MIND THERE.
THERE'S SOME DECENT PHYSICAL SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THE CITY HALL IN PARTICULAR, DEPENDING ON WHERE THAT STUFF LIVES, DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACE.
BUT IF SOME OF THE UA AREA OPENS UP, IT MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME BETTER CONSIDERATIONS TO THAT.
UM, AND I THINK ALONG WITH THE SERVICE UPGRADES, MAIN SWITCHBOARD UPGRADES, THAT KIND OF BRINGS IN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT IN SOME OF THE ISLANDING EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS KIND OF THE, A CRITICAL PIECE FOR THE MICRO GRID, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO DISCONNECT FROM THE UTILITY.
AND SO WE WILL APPROACH IT WITH, UM, ESSENTIALLY CONTROLLABLE BREAKERS THAT CAN CONNECT AND RECONNECT TO THE MAIN A PS LINE.
AND THEN, UM, PROBABLY SOME CONSOLIDATION OF LOADS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU WANT AN ENTIRE SITE OR BUILDING BACKED UP OR IF THAT COULD FEED JUST ONE OF THE CRITICAL LOADS.
I KNOW THEY DO HAVE A GENERATOR THAT BACKS UP SOME OF THE IT AND COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT.
SO DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE, UH, WE WOULD KIND OF SIZE THINGS THAT WAY.
SO THE, THE WORK SCOPE FOR THIS PART WOULD BE JUST AN ANALYSIS IN YOUR FINAL REPORT ABOUT WHAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE OR, YEAH.
UH, THE, THE PORTION OF THIS SCOPE IS ESSENTIALLY A, A FEASIBILITY ASSESSMENT FOR IT.
UH, AND THEN, UH, AS WE GO THROUGH ADDITIONAL PLANNING FOR IT, SAY, SAY YOU WANTED TO BUILD THE SOLAR FIRST AND LIKE, IS THAT WE COULD STILL BE ABLE TO BUILD IN THOSE ELEMENTS OF THE MICROGRID, UH, AS WE GO FORWARD THOUGH, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'D BE AN ASSESSMENT.
MAYBE ANDY, YOU CAN ANSWER THIS.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD TALKED IN THE PAST ABOUT, OH, THERE'S A NET.
WE'VE TALKED IN THE PAST ABOUT, UH, THE, THE SANGUA PLAZA.
DO WE HAVE, WHAT'S OUR TIMEFRAME, IF ANY, FOR THAT BUILDING? IT IS NOT ON THE IMMEDIATE HORIZON THAT I'M AWARE OF.
WE DO HAVE SUBSTANTIAL POLICE EQUIPMENT IN THAT BUILDING RIGHT NOW, AND THERE IS A PORTION OF THE POLICE OPERATION HOUSED THERE.
UM, AND SO ANY FUTURE OR OTHER USE OF THAT PROPERTY WOULD REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL PLANNING TO RELOCATE THAT FUNCTION, UM, AND ALL OF THAT EQUIPMENT.
SO I WOULD SAY IT'S MANY YEARS OUT IF WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THAT USE, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IF WE MAKE INVESTMENTS THERE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA GET ANY RETURN ON THEM.
SO YOU THINK IT'S 10 YEARS OUT, FIVE YEARS OUT, NO IDEA.
WELL, IT'S HARD TO SAY WITHOUT THE, I MEAN, IT'S TIED TO FUTURE EXPANSION OF THE, WHERE WE WOULD HOUSE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FUNCTIONS THAT ARE THERE NOW.
AND I DON'T THINK, AT LEAST SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT, UM, ANYTHING AT PD OTHER THAN REMODELING EXISTING SPACE.
AND SO I, BUT ANDY'S WHO'S BEEN HERE LONGER THAN I MAY KNOW FROM PREVIOUS CITY MANAGERS, WHAT KIND OF THOUGHTS THEY HAD, BUT IT'S NOT ON OUR CIPI DON'T THINK WITHIN THE NEXT 10 YEARS IN THAT BUDGET.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ADD IS THERE'S BEEN A THOUGHT OF DOING SOME HOUSING IMPROVEMENT THERE.
UM, BUT YEAH, LIKE ANNETTE SAID, THERE'S NO ACTUAL PLAN FOR THAT.
UM, I KNOW THAT THIS YEAR WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT OPTIONS FOR PD REMODELING AND EXPANSION, SO MAYBE THAT'S A TIME AS ANNETTE WELL, BUT THAT THIS YEAR'S PD, UM, UPGRADES ARE RELATED TO THE DISPATCH ONLY.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA MAKE NEW, UH, CAPACITY TO HOLD MORE EMPLOYEES THAN THEY HOLD NOW.
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UM, I'M REGINA RIA.I'M A PROGRAM MANAGER HERE AT A SC.
AND, UM, YEAH, I'M WORKING WITH A TEAM AND SPEARHEADING THIS, UM, EFFORT.
UM, AND, AND HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND ELECTRIFICATION PORTION.
UM, THE FIRST ONE, UM, WE, FIRST OFF, WE ARE PROPOSING THIS FOR ALL SITES.
UM, BUT THE FIRST ONE IS THE HVAC ELECTRIFICATION.
SO THIS ONE IS JUST CONVERTING THE NATURAL GAS, UM, HVAC TO A HEAT PUMP KIND OF HVAC.
AND THIS WILL CONSOLIDATE, UM, THE HEATING AND COOLING INTO ONE UNIT AS OPPOSED TO A NATURAL GAS WHERE THEY'RE SEPARATE.
UM, THIS ONE TOO HAS A HIGHER HEATING CAPACITY AND IT WILL ELIMINATE ONSITE EMISSION, UM, COMBUSTION EMISSIONS SINCE IT'S ALL ELECTRIC NOW, WHICH REDUCES GREEN GAS, GAS EMISSIONS.
UM, SOME OF THE DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS AS WE WERE, UM, WORKING ON THIS THAT WE LOOKED AT IS THAT, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE ELECTRIFYING, THIS INCREASES THE DEMAND.
AND SO, UM, ALAN AND TIM HAVE LOOKED AT THE TV SIZE AN INCREASE MAX FOR INCREASE IN LOAD AS WELL AS THE INCREASE, UM, IN THE CAPACITY.
SO ELECTRICAL PANELS ARE ALSO LOOKED AT FOR BOTH THESE, UH,
UM, ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS TO IT IS THAT, UM, THE STRUCTURAL, UM, CONSIDERATIONS OF THE ROOF TO ENSURE THAT EXISTING ROOF IS ABLE TO HANDLE THE WEIGHT OF THESE EQUIPMENT.
SO, UM, ALL THE DAMAGE ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT TO ENSURE THAT THESE ARE ABLE TO HANDLE THE, THE UNITS.
UM, ANOTHER ONE IS A ROOF AGE, UH, TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S STILL ENOUGH LIGHT IN THE ROOM TO, TO BE ABLE TO, UM, TO HANDLE ANY NEW EQUIPMENT.
SO WE JUST CONSIDER THAT AS THE CITY SWAPS THESE EQUIPMENT FROM NATURAL GAS TOO, UH, HEAT.
UM, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS THE HEAT PUMP WATER HEATER, WHICH SIMILARLY, IT'S JUST CONVERTING IT FROM NATURAL GAS TO A HEAT PUMP WATER HEATER.
IT HAS, UM, HIGH EFFICIENCY AS WELL.
AND SAME, SAME THING BECAUSE IT'S ELECTRI ELECTRIFYING THE SYSTEM, IT ELIMINATES, UM, THE ONSITE AND GAS MACHINE
UH, PART OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE LOOK AT IS THAT, UM, WE JUST NEED TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S ADD ADEQUATE VENTILATION AND AIRFLOW, UM, IN THE CLOSET CENTER OR IN THE SPACE AS THE HEAT, HEAT PUMP OR THE HEATER PERFORMANCE DEPENDS SUFFICIENT AIR VOLUME AND PROPER OPERATING EMISSIONS.
UM, ALSO WE WORK WITH THE FACILITY STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THE DIMENSIONS ARE LOOKED AT AND THERE'S ENOUGH AVAILABLE SPACE FOR INSTALLATION WHEN SWAP THESE OUT.
AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, INCREASE IN DEMAND.
WE LOOK AT ELECTRICAL PANEL UPGRADES AND THE INCREASE IN KEYS.
REGINA OR BRYCE, UH, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT, UH, A HEATING CAPACITY UPGRADE WITH THIS NEW EQUIPMENT.
AND WAS THAT A, A REQUIREMENT FROM OUR, AN, UH, OUR ANALYSIS OF OUR BUILDINGS THAT WE NEEDED SOME MORE CAPACITY AND THEN BECAUSE IT'S AN A, A HEAT PUMP, IS IT BOTH, UH, AC AND A HEATING CAPACITY INCREASE? YEAH, THE, THE HEAT PUMP SYSTEM WOULD BE, UH, UTILIZED FOR BOTH.
UM, RIGHT NOW YOU WOULD, THE NATURAL GAS FIRED FURNACES ARE LARGELY ON THE, THE HEAT SIDE OF THINGS, AND THEN THERE'S, UH, IT KICKS OVER TO, TO PROVIDE THE AIR CONDITIONING.
RIGHT? THIS WOULD BE COMBINING THOSE SYSTEMS TOGETHER.
UM, AND WE IDENTIFIED A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL CAPACITY ALREADY.
THE CAPACITY PIECE, I BELIEVE REGINA WAS MENTIONING WAS THAT THE, IT INCREASES ELECTRICAL DEMAND PIECE, AND SO THEN THE ELECTRICAL CAPACITY HAS TO ADJUST THE ELECTRICAL CAPACITY, NOT THE, THE GENERATED OR WHATEVER.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO UPGRADE THE PHYSICAL PRODUCTION OF THE HVAC EQUIPMENT.
UH, REGINA CAN CONFIRM ON THAT ONE.
I THINK IT, IT WAS A, A LIKE FOR LIKE, IN TERMS OF LIKE THE, LIKE THE UNIT TONNAGE, SO TO SPEAK, UM, ON, ON, UH, THE CAPACITY OF THE UNITS THEMSELVES.
BUT, UM, IF, IF I'M WRONG, UH, REGINA PLEASE CORRECT ME, YEAH, THE CAPACITY WOULD, UM, WOULD BE THE SAME AS WHAT IT IS IN THE EXISTING.
AND GIVEN I'M SURE THAT YOU'VE GOT WAY MORE
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EXPERIENCE, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA.MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE HEAT PUMP HVAC SYSTEM AT HOME IN THIS CLIMATE
SO AS BEFORE, WE COULD NIGHTTIME HAVE A MUCH DIFFERENT TEMPERATURE THAN DAYTIME, BUT IN OUR, OUR, UH, HEAT PUMP SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE, IT'S A FEW YEARS OLD NOW, NOT TOO OLD, UM, WE'VE HAD TO ACTUALLY ADJUST THE WAY WE RUN THE HOUSE.
AND SO I'M LOOKING JUST TO SEE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THOSE ISSUES AND THAT'S BEEN IN YOUR ANALYSIS AS WELL.
UH, AND MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT, THAT'D BE, OH, GO AHEAD REGINA.
OH, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD BRYCE THAT, UM, PART OF IT TOO, RIGHT, DURING, NOT JUST NIGHTTIME, BUT LIKE, UM, WINTER TIMES WHERE THE OUTSIDE AIR TEMPERATURES ARE LOWER AS WELL, RIGHT? THERE'S A DECLINE.
UM, THERE MIGHT BE A SUPPLEMENTAL ELECTRICAL ASSISTANCE THAT WE LOOK AT AS WELL FOR HEATING THAT MAY BE REQUIRED, UM, FOR TIMES WHEN THE BELOW, WHEN THE AMBIENT TEMPERATURE IS LOWER.
UM, OTHER ENERGY DEFICIENCY MEASURES.
SO SPECIFICALLY, UM, THE CITY HALL, UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT ADVANCED PAR STRIPS, UM, FOR PUBLIC PLUG LOAD CONTROLS.
THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT.
SO THE CITY HALL CAMPUS SPECIFICALLY HAS A NUMBER OF COMPUTER WORKSTATIONS, UM, AND OTHER PLUG LOAD DEVICES THAT'S OPERATING THROUGHOUT THE WORKDAY, RIGHT? UM, BUT AFTER THE WORKDAY, EVEN THOUGH YOU SHUT IT OFF, IT STILL CONTINUES TO DRAW POWER WHEN NOT, NOT ACTIVELY USE AT NIGHT ON THE WEEKENDS AND ON HOLIDAYS, THAT STILL REMAINS ENERGIZED.
SO AN ADVANCED POWER STRIP WILL HELP, UM, DISCONNECT THAT POWER TO SLIP THE PER PERIPHERAL DEVICES AND, UM, JUST MINIMIZE UNNECESSARY PLUGABILITY CONSUMPTION, WHICH WILL, AS A RESULT, REDUCE ANNUAL, UM, ELECTRICAL USAGE.
UM, THE NEXT ONE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING ARE THE THERMOSTAT COMPLEX ISSUE AT THE CITY HALL, SPECIFICALLY VOTING 1 0 4 AND 1 0 6, WHERE THE FACILITY STAFF HAVE REPORTED JUST OCCUPANT OR COMPLAINTS WHERE, UM, THE ROOMS HAVE CONFLICTING, UM, THERMAL CONDITIONS.
UM, AND THE PROPOSED SOLUTIONS WOULD BE TO INSTALL, UM, COUPLE WIRELESS THERMOSTATS HERE IN AREAS WHERE, UM, THERE'S LACK OF SENSING POINTS.
UM, SOFTWARE CONFIGURATION WHERE WIDENING THE AND COOL BANDWIDTH, UH, TO FOUR DEBRIS MARING HEIGHT, AND THEN PROGRAMMING TO MONITOR THE H-V-A-C-C.
THAT ONE THERMOSTAT, UM, FORCES THE ADJACENT THERMOSTAT IN THE SAME MODE WHERE IF THERMOSTAT A IS LEADING MODE THAT FORCES THERMOSTAT B UH, TO BE LEADING MODE, THAT WAY THEY'RE NOT
AND SO THEY'RE WORKING, UM, AS GENERALLY, UM, AN OPTIMIZED, UM, OPERATION.
AND THEN LASTLY WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY THAT I CONFIRM THAT ALL THE NEW DEVICES ARE OPERATING AND FUNCTIONALLY PROPERLY.
AND ANOTHER, UM, ENERGY EFFICIENCY MEASURE, UM, WOULD BE TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN.
UM, SPECIFICALLY THE CHILLER, UM, THE BUILDING AT THAT WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN AS AN AIR POOL CHILLER AND ISSUES THAT WERE REPORTED WHERE, UM, THE LABORATORY, UM, OCCUPANTS FOR JUST, UM, REPORTING COVER ISSUES WHERE IT'S TOO WARM AND IT SUGGESTS AN INSUFFICIENT COOLING OR UNDER COOLING.
UM, THE MAINTENANCE STAFF ALSO REPORTED THAT, UM, THE CHILLERS ARE FREQUENTLY STARTING AND STOPPING FREQUENTLY.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S A VERY CONSISTENT BEHAVIOR TO A SHORT CYCLING, UM, OF THE CHILDREN.
AND THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO INSTALL A BUFFER TANK AND, UM, THE CHILL WATER LOOP JUST TO ADD VOLUME AND THE NEW VOLUME.
AND THEN, UM, CHANGING THE PIPE CONFIGURATION, WHETHER I THINK WE WERE POSTING TWO FOR IT OR FOUR PORT, UM, IN RELATION TO THE TANK.
AND THEN LASTLY, JUST TO CONTROL THE, UM, LIKE BURNS THE SHORT CYCLE BEHAVIOR THAT WAY IT'S OPERATING, IT'S AN OPTIMAL, UM, OPERAT SHEET.
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MITIGATION STRATEGIES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.WE ARE PROPOSING THESE FOR ALL SITES.
AND, UM, AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE SEDONA TEAM, UM, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THESE AT, AT THE CONCEPTUAL LEVEL.
AND THEN FOR THIS MEETING'S PURPOSE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO SEE THE BUILDING AT
SO THE FIRST MEASURE IS A COOL ROOF.
THIS COOL ROOF IS A COATING THAT IS, UM, DESIGNED TO REFLECT THE SUNLIGHT AND ABSORB LESS HEAT, UH, THAN A STOCKED STANDARD ROOF, WHICH HELPS REDUCE THE BUILDING COOLING LOADS AND OVERALL IMPROVES THE EFFICIENCY OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
UM, ON YOUR RIGHT HERE, ON THE RIGHT IS THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, UM, UM, A MODEL WHERE IT'S A SAND PAGE, COOL ROOF THAT'S MORE FITTING TO, UH, THE, IS THE COLOR SCHEME, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH, WITH TEAM TO, TO ENSURE THAT THE COLOR SCHEME IS, IS MATCHING.
UM, BUT, UM, THIS ONE AS WELL, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY LIGHT, UM, TO BEGIN WITH, THE COLOR OF THE FULL ROOF IS ALREADY LIGHT, THEN, UM, THERE'S NOT MUCH ENERGY SAVINGS THAT'S EXPECTED FOR THIS SPECIFIC BUILDING.
SO IT WILL DEPEND ON BUILDING FOR BUILDING AND THE TYPE OF MATERIAL, THE TYPE OF.
AND UM, LASTLY, THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE LOOK AT IS, UM, THE ROOF.
H UM, WHEN UNIT, WHEN YOU, UM, INSTALL OR APPLY THESE COATING, WE'VE BEEN INFORMED THAT THIS BUILDING SPECIFICALLY WAS JUST, UM, THERE ARE ROOF REPAIRS BACK IN 2024, WHICH, UM, INDICATES THAT IT'S WELL MAINTAINED AND IT'S IN GOOD CONDITION.
SO IT'S READY FOR A COOL ROOF, UM, INSTALLATION IF EVER YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD.
WHAT'S THE LIFESPAN? WHAT'S THE LIFESPAN ON A ROOF LIKE THAT? WHAT IS THE LIFESPAN ON A ROOF LIKE THAT VERSUS LIKE AN SSO ROOF OR, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT ON TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I WE COULD ACTUALLY GET BACK THAT, GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
WITH THE ANSWER OF THE LIFESPAN, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT, UM, TO RELAY THAT TO BRYCE.
AND BEFORE YOU MOVE OKAY, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYONE WE DON'T OWN THIS BUILDING
THE WAY THE WRITEUP WAS WRITTEN, IT, IT WAS SORT OF A GENERALIZATION OR IT MADE A STATEMENT ABOUT IF IT IS ALREADY A COOL ROOF, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING.
DO WE NOT KNOW WHICH ONES OF OUR ROOFS ARE AND AREN'T? UH, SO THE, THE ONE TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT IS, IS MOST LIKE A COOL ROOF WOULD BE AT CONTRACTORS ROAD.
UH, WE RECENTLY, UH, COUPLE YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A, A ROOF SEALANT THAT WAS PUT ON THAT ONE THAT HAS, UH, A HIGHER REFLECTIVE VALUE TO IT.
AND SO IN TERMS OF COOL ROOFS, THAT'D BE THE ONE THAT, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE, UM, MOST RECENTLY, THE, FOR THE SITES THAT, UM, THAT ARE NOT CONTRACTORS ROAD, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY WOULD BE COOL ROOFS.
THEY'D BE THE, THE STANDARD ROOFS THAT, UM, WERE BUILT AT THE TIME.
UM, I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY FROM COM DEV IN HERE RIGHT NOW, BUT IF A RESIDENT WANTED EITHER ONE OF THOSE ROOFS, THEY COULDN'T HAVE THEM.
SO, UH, THAT'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER PIECE I'LL BE WORKING ON, UM, WITH, UH, WITH COM COM DEV THROUGH THE LDC UPDATES THAT I LIKE TO BE ABLE TO, TO POTENTIALLY ADJUST THOSE IF, IF THAT'S A DES UH, DESIRED COUNCIL, UH, AND, AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE MOMENT THAT'S TO TRY TO, THE, THE GOAL IS TO GET THAT CONCEPTUAL VIEW IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND THEN IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT, THEN WE'D GO MAKE THE, THE CHANGES THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED FOR THAT.
YEAH, GOOD FOR ME, BUT NOT FOR THE, DOESN'T SIT WELL ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SO.
UM, GOING BACK TO THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE COOL ROOF, UM, LIFESPAN THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE, UH, 20, 20, 25 YEARS SIMILARLY TO LIKE WHAT A ROOF IS AS WELL.
UM, THIS IS A VISUAL CONCEPT TOO OF A GREEN ROOF.
THIS IS ONE OF THE MEASURES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND THIS WOULD, UH, I THINK A GREEN ROOF WOULD PROVIDE, UM, COOLING BENEFITS BY REDUCING ROOF TEMPERATURES AND IMPROVE.
IT IMPROVES INSULATION, IT LOWER LOWERS HEAT TRANSFERABILITY, AND IT IMPROVES
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THE SIZE HISPANICS AS WELL.SO ON YOUR RIGHT IS A, UH, CONCEPT VISUAL, UM, A GREEN ROOF WITH GASTRIC PLANTS AND CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE, WE ARE LOOKING AT IS THE AGE OF THE ROOF AND JUST THE EQUIPMENT, UM, THAT IS IN THE, IN THE BUILDING.
AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, ROOFS ARE LOW, UM, FLAT SLOPE, FLAT OR LOW SLOPE.
UH, THAT'S THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR A, A GREEN ROOF.
SO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WOULD IT BE A GOOD CANDIDATE? AND WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT BUILDING FOR BUILDING.
AND, UM, WE WERE ALSO INFORMED THAT THIS SPECIFIC BUILDING, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ER ROAD IS ACTUALLY GREEN ROOF READY.
SO IN TIME, UH, ONCE YOU, IF YOU EVER, IF EVER YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD OR, UM, HAVE ASKED PERMISSION FROM THE DISTRICT, THEN UM, IT'S READY FOR YOU TO INSTALL WHAT MAKES SOMETHING GREEN ROOF READY.
UH, UM, I, I CAN ANSWER THAT ONE REGINA.
UH, A GOOD GOOD CHUNK OF IT IS IT, IT'S ABILITY TO BEAR WEIGHT.
UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S SOIL CONDITIONS AND, AND, UH, ADDITIONAL LAYERS OF, OF, UH, OF, UH, LIKE IMPERMEABLE SURFACES TO BE ABLE TO DIRECT THAT, UM, THE WATER MATERIAL ELSEWHERE.
AND SO GOOD CHUNK OF IT IS WEIGHT AND ENGINEERING DESIGN.
AND THEN HOW THE, THE FACILITY ITSELF IS ABLE TO MANAGE WATER, UH, PLAYS A A, A BIG ROLE INTO THAT.
UM, WHEN WE HAD OUR, UH, COUNCIL PRESENTATION ON THE, UH, POTENTIAL CODE UPDATES IN IN JUNE, UM, WE DON'T, YOU DON'T NORMALLY SEE GREEN ROOF.
UH, PART OF IS JUST CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
UM, IT DOES REDUCE, UM, THAT YOU WON'T HAVE A, A GREAT DEAL OF WATER USE ON THE SITE 'CAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING TO U UTILIZE SUC SUCCULENTS AND UH, LIKE NATIVE GRASS SPECIES.
UM, BUT IT, IT, IT'S JUST THE SHEER UPFRONT COST TO DO IT.
YOU DON'T SEE IT ALL THAT OFTEN 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH OF A FINANCIAL PAYBACK TO IT.
UM, SO IT'S MAINLY AN OPTION IF YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO, UH, IMPROVE ON LIKE GREEN SPACES OR BIODIVERSITY PIECE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO, TO CONSIDER AND, AND EVALUATE FURTHER IF THIS WAS A DIRECTION, UH, FOR COUNCIL, IS JUST, UH, ALSO MAKING SURE IT'S BALANCED WITH FIREWISE CODE AND FIREWISE PREPAREDNESS.
'CAUSE UH, IF YOU HAVE DRY, DRY GRASSES ON TOP OF ROOF MIGHT NOT BE CONDUCIVE TO THAT PIECE.
SO, UH, THERE'S, UH, IT'S A REASON WHY YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF IT.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, UH, DIFFICULT TO, TO DO, UH, PROPERLY.
UM, AND IT'S UPFRONT COST FOR IT.
BUT FOR WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IS JUST TO KIND OF CONCEPTUALLY WHAT'S THAT LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN IN THE 50% REPORT, YOU'LL SEE THE ESTIMATED COST IS HIGHER, AND THEN THERE'S NOTES ON, UM, THE ROOF AGE, UH, THE ABILITY OF THE ROOF TO BE ABLE TO HOLD IT.
AND SO A LOT OF TIMES IT GETS RULED OUT.
UM, BUT OUR GOAL WAS TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO, TO, TO COUNCIL WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IF YOU WANTED US TO GO FURTHER WITH THOSE OPTIONS.
THE ONES THAT I'VE SEEN ARE REALLY COOL.
THE, THE, THE ONE, THERE'S A, A TRANSIT FACILITY DOWN IN TEMPE THAT HAS, HAS A GREEN ROOF TO IT.
AND IT IS, IT'S JUST, IT'S A REALLY COOL FACILITY.
THEY HAVE YUCCAS GROWING ON THE TOP OF IT AND IT'S AMAZING THAT THEY COULD DO IT.
UM, BUT YEAH, THERE'S UH, SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THOUGH TO MAKE IT WORK THOUGH.
I MEAN, IF IT'S 10 TIMES THE PRICE MM-HMM
IT, UH, LIKE A NEW, A BRAND NEW BUILD, UH, YOU'RE STARTING FROM SCRATCH.
UM, IT MIGHT HAVE MORE FEASIBILITY, BUT THEN WE'RE STILL TRYING TO BALANCE IT WITH THE FIRE AS FIRE SAFE SEDONA CONDITIONS.
YOU SAID THAT BUILDING WAS, UH, GREEN ROOF READY, BUT IS IT ALSO, WAS IT DESIGNED TO BE ACCESSIBLE? OFTENTIMES THESE GREEN ROOF THINGS ARE DEMONSTRATION.
YOU LIKE TO HAVE PEOPLE COME UP AND ENJOY THE SPACE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SPACE IS CONSTRUCTED FOR ACCESS.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THERE, THEY DID HAVE ACCESS POINTS BE ABLE TO GET TO IT TO, AND WITH THAT IN MIND, JUST, THEY JUST NEVER, IT DIDN'T GET TO THAT SPOT TO ACTUALLY BUILD AND CONSTRUCT IT.
ANOTHER MEASURE THAT WE'VE ALSO LOOK AT, LOOKED AT FOR HEAT MITIGATION IS ALSO CO PAVEMENT.
CO PAVEMENTS ARE, DOES PICTURE REFLECT MORE SUNLIGHT AND ABSORB LESS HEAT, UM, HELPING REDUCE THE SURFACE TEMPERATURE ON THE ROAD AND HELP, UM, MITIGATE URBAN HEAT BUILDUP.
AND, UM, BACK IN 2025 OF SUMMER, UM, THE CITY DID TESTING ON DIFFERENT CO PAVEMENT MATERIALS AND, UM, THE TESTING HAD DEMONSTRATED THAT, UM, THE BEST MATERIAL TO USE IS AN EFA TAIL PREMIUM, WHICH IS GRAY IN COLOR AND WAS FOUND TO REDUCE SURFACE TEMPERATURE THE MOST.
AND, UM, JUST ON YOUR, ON YOUR RIGHT, WE'VE DONE A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN OF IT
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COATING THE PAVEMENT WITH, UH, GRAY CEMENT, CEMENT GRAY COLOR, WHICH IS WHAT THE EFA, UH, SEAL PREMIUM IS.AND, UM, SO AS WE'VE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH OUR, OUR MAIN ONES THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK AS WE TOUCHED ON, IS JUST CONFIRMATION IF WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, IN PARTICULAR ON THE SOLAR PLACEMENT, UH, AT CITY HALL, AS WELL AS THE EV CHARGING LOCATIONS FOR ADDITIONAL DESIGN AND CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, UH, WITH ALL THE, WITH THE, I KNOW WE COULD AND ANY OTHER FEEDBACK, UH, WE'D BE HAPPY TO TO RECEIVE THAT AS WELL.
BUT THOSE WERE THE TWO MAIN ONES THAT WE WANTED TO, TO, TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON.
IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU DIDN'T LOOK AT THE ROOFS HERE FOR, FOR SOLAR? UH, OR FOR, OR FOR GREEN ROOF OR SOLAR? FOR GREEN OR FOR, COOL, COOL.
UM, SO THE, THE COOL ROOF OR THE, THE HEAT MITIGATION STRATEGIES WILL ALSO BE CONSIDERED FOR DISLOCATION.
IT WAS JUST FOR THE PRESENTATION PURPOSES.
WE WERE JUST TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT ONE OF THEM.
AND SO, UM, JUST TO, JUST TO CONFIRM FOR OUR, FOR OUR END, FOR THE DESIGN OF THE, UH, CAR PORTS MOVING FROM THE SUNA LOT TO, UM, THE CURRENTLY UNCOVERED PARKING, UH, FOR THE SOLAR, IS THAT, UH, UM, DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO CONTINUE WITH THAT, THAT APPROACH? IS THERE ANY IDENTIFIED DOWNSIDES, UH, POTENTIAL, UH, LOSS OF PARKING JUST ON WHERE YOU SPACE THE, LIKE THE BEAMS AND THE, UH, SUPPORT STRUCTURES FOR IT? UM, THERE ARE UNFORTUNATELY THE BLUES COVERING IT, BUT THERE, I MEAN, THERE'S ISLANDS ALONG THE WAY THAT WE, UH, CAN LOOK AT FOR, UH, FOR MANAGING THAT.
BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS.
UH, FOR IT IS JUST HOW THE, THE SUPPORT STRUCTURES WOULD LOOK TO TRY TO REDUCE THAT, THE PARKING IMPACTS IF THEY WERE TO TAKE A SPOT BALANCE BY THE EV CHARGER LOCATION, SHIFTING OVER TO UA, KIND OF FREEING UP SOME OF THOSE BASES.
AND THEN JUST ESSENTIALLY CLARIFY, UH, CON CONFIRMING FOR THIS ONE IS TO, TO SHIFT, UH, MORE TOWARDS THE SON LOT FOR, FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL PHASES.
AND THAT'S FOR THE FLEET? FLEET? YEAH.
UM, NOT TO OPEN UP CAN OF WORMS OR WHATNOT, BUT IF THE, IF THERE WAS DIRECTION OF COUNSEL THAT YOU WANTED, LIKE PUBLIC FACING CHARGER, THEN YOU COULD DO THAT.
BUT AT THE MOMENT IT'S, IT WOULD BE FLEET, FLEET FACING.
I THINK THE TWO, THE TWO THAT WE HAVE SEEMED TO BE PRETTY, YOU KNOW, USED PRETTY FREQUENTLY.
UM, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN GETTING SOME PRETTY SOLID USE OUTTA THAT.
WE'RE LOOKING TO GET MORE CONSISTENT PARKING THERE TO HOPEFULLY GET PEOPLE, GET FLEET VEHICLES, UH, MORE IN THERE TO, TO HELP FREE UP THE OTHER SPACES AS WELL.
AND, AND A POSSE GROUNDS, UH, NOT THERE THAT OFTEN, BUT THEY SEEM TO BE HIGHLY USED AS WELL.
UM, A PS UH, THE, THE LAST GRAPH I SAW FROM AP PS, IT'S EVERY SINGLE YEAR IT'S GONE UP IN, IN USAGE AT, AT THE FOA GROUND SITE.
WITH THAT, UM, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK, UH, THAT YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE, WE'D WARN MORE OPEN TO IT.
OTHERWISE THAT'S WHAT WE HAD SAY, CARRY ON.
COULD I, YOU ASK ONE QUESTION? THANK YOU.
UM, WE GOT A EMAIL FROM, UM, A CITIZEN WHO'S VERY INVOLVED WITH OR VERY INTERESTED IN, UM, HEAT MITIGATION MEASURES AND, UH, ESPECIALLY DURING EMERGENCIES AND THAT KIND OF THING, SO, AND I, I SEE THAT HEAT MITIGATION ADAPTATION STRATEGIES, LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS ADDED ON.
WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? OR WHAT, WHAT MIGHT WE BE SEEING IN THAT AREA IN TREES
SO, UM, FOR WHERE WE'RE AT WITH, UM, SAY LIKE SHARED USE PASS IN THE LENGTH, IT'S A, A CONTINUATION JUST WITH COLLABORATING WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS COLLEAGUES AND, UH, WHERE WE CAN STRATEGICALLY PLACE THEM WITHIN THOSE, UH, THE, WITHIN THOSE PROJECTS TO HELP IMPROVE THE SHADING.
UM, ON THE LOCATIONS IN PARTICULAR FOR THE DECARBONIZATION ROADMAP, WE'RE JUST AT THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN PHASE, UH, FOR EXPANDING BEYOND MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS.
UM, WE'RE DOING SOME ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND RESEARCH ON PROGRAMS THAT WE, UM, LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO BRING TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, BUT AT THE CURRENT BUDGET PRO CYCLE OR WHERE WE, WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EXTERNAL, UH, HEAT MITIGATION EFFORTS OUTSIDE OF THE SHARED USE PASS AND STUFF OF THAT NATURE.
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OKAY.JOSEPH, COME TO THE PODIUM AND PLEASE, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND IF YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE AS YOU START.
UM, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF SEDONA AND THEN ALSO RESIDING IN PHOENIX AS WELL.
AND, UM, LEMME JUST WRITE THIS UP SO I COULD LOOK AT EVERYBODY AROUND ME.
UM, AND I'M ALSO A BUSINESS OWNER HERE IN SEDONA AS WELL, UH, FOR, AND THE BUSINESS IS ALSO A FORMER MEMBER OF CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF AS JOSEPH SERENITY.
UM, I'M GRATEFUL TO HAVE MY MASTER'S IN SCIENCE IN HOSPITALITY AND TOURISM WITH A FOCUS ON SUSTAINABILITY.
SO THIS MEETING IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, ANNETTE, FOR ALL THAT YOU DO FOR OUR CITY AND, UM, FOR, UH, YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE SCHOOL IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS AND OUR YOUTH.
UM, SO WHAT I WANTED TO DIRECTLY ADDRESS WHILE I'M HERE, UM, WITH THIS LITTLE BIT OF TIME THAT I HAVE IS, UM, REALLY JUST TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR COMMUNITY WIDE GOALS.
UM, CON SEDONAS OVERALL, OVERALL GREENHOUSE EMISSIONS BY 50% BY 2030.
UH, MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT MY BUSINESS CAN DO AND LOCAL BUSINESSES CAN DO TO HELP THE CITY ACHIEVE THESE GOALS.
UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT ASPECT.
I MOST IMPORTANTLY, UH, ONE THING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME IS, UM, AS A SEDONA BUSINESS OWNER LIKE MYSELF WHO INTERACTS WITH LOCALS AND VISITORS ALIKE, AND BEING FROM PHOENIX AND KNOWING HOW MUCH PEOPLE TRAVEL FROM PHOENIX TO SEDONA FOR HEALING, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO EDUCATE OUR SOCIETY ON SUSTAINABLE ETIQUETTE AND ITS IMPACT ON THIS BEAUTIFUL LAND.
UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I JUST WANT THE COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT THIS, UH, AND HOPEFULLY ANSWER THIS QUESTION, BUT IF NOT, JUST TO HAVE THIS IN YOUR MIND, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, COUNSELOR, UH, CHARLOTTE H FOR MENTIONING EARLIER TO OUR SUSTAINABILITY, UM, EXPERT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA BE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT, WHAT'S GONNA BE THE COMMUNITY IMPACT, UH, WHAT'S GONNA BE OUR SOCIETAL IMPACT? YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL QUESTIONS THAT WE SHOULD BE ANSWERING.
SO JUST WANNA LEAVE YOU WITH SOMETHING FUN.
AN IDEA, AN IRRESISTIBLE SEDONA VISITOR ETIQUETTE PROGRAM THAT ALSO INCLUDES TRAVEL ETIQUETTE WITHIN SEDONA AS WE IMPROVE OUR TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, TRAVEL, ESPECIALLY PEAK SEASON, AFFECTS OUR OVERALL GHG FROM VISITORS.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO BE A PART OF EDUCATING OUR VISITORS AND OUR LOCALS ALIKE WITH SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES, UH, SUSTAINABLE HABITS WITHIN OUR BUSINESSES AS THEY ENTER OUR BUSINESSES, AND ESPECIALLY BEING A PART OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UM, HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE THE SEVEN, UH, LEAVE NO TRACE PRINCIPLES AND OTHER SUSTAINABLE BUSINESSES.
MAYBE YOU CAN GET TOGETHER WITH, WITH JOSEPH AND DIRECT HIM WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND SURE.
HOW HE CAN BE INVOLVED WITH THAT.
SO IF YOU WANNA HANG AROUND A LITTLE BIT, JOSEPH, BRYCE IS JUST FINISHING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR BRYCE CHARLOTTE? NOT, I'M NOT SURE IT'S RELATED.
THAT'S, SO TELL ME IF IT'S NOT.
OH, JUST THE MICROPHONE PERIOD.
UM, THE UPCOMING COMMUNITY CONVERSATION ON FIREWISE.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING, UM, BUT I'M WONDERING IF SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER HEAT MITIGATION TANGENTIALLY FITS INTO THAT.
AND IT MIGHT BE A WAY TO GATHER SOME INFORMATION OR FEEDBACK ON PEOPLE'S INTEREST IN THAT, THEIR WILLINGNESS TO PARTICIPATE IN PROGRAMS AND SO FORTH.
DO YOU THINK THERE'S A NEXUS THERE AT ALL? I DON'T KNOW.
ARE YOU INVOLVED IN THE PLANNING OF THAT, BRYCE? UM, YEAH.
MY, UH, COLLEAGUE, UH, SARAH AND OUR, UH, NEW TEAM MEMBER OLIVIA, HAVE BEEN DESIGNING, UH, SOME TABLING EFFORTS, UH, IN CONJUNCTION OR COLLABORATION WITH, UH, CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT C MAYOR.
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I'LL BE PREVIEWING INTERNALLY, YOU KNOW, THE FINAL RUN OF SHOW AND ALL OF THE DETAIL INFORMATION FOR THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION.SO I'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF THAT'S INCORPORATED OR NOT.
I THINK WE HAD ON THE IDEA LIST FOR COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE TOPICS GENERALLY, UM, SOMETHING AROUND SUSTAINABILITY.
I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR FUTURE MEETING, BUT I WILL TAKE THAT BACK AND SEE IF THERE'S A WAY THAT FITS INTO ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT STAFF HAS BEEN PREPARING FOR THAT CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU, ANNETTE, ANYTHING ELSE FOR BRYCE? OKAY.
[3.b. AB 2378 Discussion/possible direction regarding Sedona in Motion (SIM) projects overview. ]
NEXT ITEM, AB 33 77, OH, EXCUSE ME.DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING SEDONA IN MOTION PROJECT'S OVERVIEW ITEM.
UH, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO STAND OVER ME, ANDREW.
WE'LL, UH, WE'LL BRING A CHAIR NOW.
WALK THE, YEAH, NO, I WANT IT.
IS THIS YOURS? IS IT S IT MIGHT BE RA'S GUESSING.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS, ROXANNE HOLLAND, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, CITY ENGINEER.
UM, WE ARE HERE THIS AFTERNOON TO PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE TO OUR SIM UH, PROGRAM.
UH, THIS IS THE FIRST SIM UPDATE THAT WE WILL PRESENT UNDER OUR NEW PUBLIC WORKS LEADERSHIP, WHICH INCLUDES MYSELF, JOHN EBERS, WHO WAS PROMOTED TO ASSISTANT PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, ASSISTANT CITY ENGINEER, JONATHAN HOFFMAN, WHO WAS PROMOTED TO, UM, ENGINEERING SUPERVISOR.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ANDREW BAIRD FROM KIMLEY HORN, WHO WILL BE, UH, HELPING US WITH OUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
NOT PROMOTED, WE HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN A WHILE.
UM, OUR LAST, UH, COMPREHENSIVE SIM UPDATE WAS NEARLY A YEAR AGO.
SO, UM, TONIGHT WE'LL BE GIVING YOU KIND OF A, A STATUS OF THE SIM PROGRAM OVERALL.
WE'LL GO OVER, UH, SOME CIP PROJECTS, AND THEN, UH, WE ARE GONNA BE ASKING FOR DIRECTION ON TIMING AND FUNDING OF A FEW PROJECTS THAT WERE UNSUCCESSFUL IN OBTAINING GRANT FUNDING.
UM, AND IN LIGHT OF, UH, LAST NIGHT'S CONVERSATION WITH, UM, SIM THREE, A, DD FOR THE, I, I'M, I HAVE TO REFER TO NUMBERS 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THEM ALL MEMORIZED YET.
UM, IN LIGHT OF THAT CONVERSATION, WE'VE PREPARED SOME OPTIONS TO MOVE PROJECTS AROUND AND KIND OF LOOK AT HOW WE WANNA APPROACH, UH, THAT PROJECT, FUNDING THAT PROJECT ALONGSIDE ALL THESE OTHER ONES.
UM, WE, WE CAN COME BACK AND LOOK AT DETAILS LATER SO WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, FORCING YOU INTO A FIRST, UH, A SET DECISION TONIGHT, BUT MAYBE SOME DIRECTION ON WHAT YOU MIGHT WANT US TO COME BACK WITH FOR MORE DETAIL AND AND WHATNOT.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO JOHN.
THANK YOU, ROXANNE, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS.
UH, THE AGENDA, AS ROXANNE SAID, UH, WE'LL BE GOING OVER THE SIM STATUS UPDATES.
UH, WE'LL BE GOING OVER OUR VI MODELS, OUR FY 27 PROJECT UPDATES OF PARTICULAR, PARTICULAR NOTE WILL BE GOING OVER, UM, SIM FIVE A, THE PORTAL LANE PROJECT SIM FIVE D, SIM FIVE E, THE ROUNDABOUTS AND SIM 11 T, THE COFFEE POT SUP.
UM, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU
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ARE, PLEASE ASK QUESTIONS AS THEY COME UP, UM, SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THEY'RE ANSWERED.CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR BOTH OF YOUR PROMOTIONS.
AND YOU TOO
YEAH, IT HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE ANDREW'S HAS BEEN PRESENTED.
UH, FIRST OUR SIM STATUS UPDATES.
UH, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE 17 COMPLETED SIM PROJECTS, UH, TO DATE WITH 22 PROJECTS IN FY 27 IN PROGRESS.
THAT IS FROM PROJECT INITIATION IN DESIGN OR IN CONSTRUCTION.
AND WE HAVE 14 FUTURE IDENTIFIED PROJECTS IN OUR SIM PROGRAM.
HERE'S A LOOK OF THE FY 27 SIM PROJECTS THAT STAFF ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON OF NOTE, OUR Y CORRIDOR, UH, PROJECT STATUS.
UM, HERE'S A LOOK AT, UH, PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, UH, THAT ARE IN PROGRESS, UH, AND OUR FUTURE PROJECTS FOR, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE Y CORRIDOR OVER THE LAST UH, YEAR WE'VE BEEN, UH, COLLECTING DATA, UH, THROUGH VARIOUS, UH, SOURCES, UH, INCLUDING FROM TRACTION, UM, AND OTHER, UH, FIELD, UH, OBSERVATIONS AND VISITOR DATA.
YEAH, I THINK, AND IF I MIGHT CHIME IN AGAIN, ANDREW BAIRD, KINLEY HORN.
THIS IS A REHASH OF KINDA WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT OVER THE YEARS, BUT IT'S CONTINUAL, SO WE'RE IN THE FIELD OBSERVING TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
IF YOU RECALL, WE'RE ALWAYS TRACKING TRAVEL TIME.
WE HAVE FIXED ROUTES THAT WE'VE BEEN PICKING UP SINCE 2020, REALLY, THAT WE CAN KIND OF TRACK, YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PLANNED AND THEN WE CAN TRACK AFTERWARDS TO SEE SOME OF THOSE BENEFITS.
WE'RE GETTING TRAFFIC COUNTS ANYTIME THERE'S A NEW PROJECT COMING ON BOARD.
AND ALSO, IF YOU RECALL FROM THE END OF 2024, WHEN WE WERE DOING THE METERING ASSESSMENT AT THE Y WE PICKED UP TRAVEL TIMES AND ADDITIONAL COUNTS AT THAT POINT.
SO, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME WE'RE OUT THERE DOING PROJECT, WE'RE ADDING THAT TO THE DATA COLLECTION AS WELL AS WHAT THE CITY CONTINUES TO COLLECT WITH TRAFFIC COUNTS.
UH, RECENTLY WITH FOREST ROAD COMING IN, WE HAVE TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT, THAT WE BUILT INTO THE MODEL.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ON A SEPARATE PROJECT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT VISITOR DATA HAS BEEN PRESENTED SEPARATELY.
SO ALL OF THESE THINGS KIND OF GO INTO THE, THE MODELING EFFORTS AND, AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE COME TO FRUITION.
AND, AND A LOT OF THESE WILL BE SOME RECAPS OF WHAT WE HAD ALREADY TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY.
THIS WAS JUST TO SHOW THIS, IF YOU RECALL, THIS WAS FROM THE UPTOWN PARKING STUDY WHERE WE WERE KIND OF LOOKING AT THE SPLITS BETWEEN WHO'S PASSING THROUGH AND WHO'S ACTUALLY THE DESTINATION IS IN UPTOWN.
UH, SO THE GRAPHIC, WHICH IS, IS CHALLENGING TO KINDA SEE ON THE LEFT SHOWS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT A 50 50 SPLIT BETWEEN PEOPLE THAT ARE PASSING THROUGH UPTOWN VERSUS THOSE THAT ARE ACTUALLY STOPPING IN UPTOWN.
AND WHAT'S SHOWN THERE IS MONTH BY MONTH.
SO YOU SEE PEAK TRIPS IN MARCH, AND THIS IS FROM A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
SO PEAK TRIPS IN MARCH ARE 44,000, UH, TRIPS COMING THROUGH THE CORRIDOR.
SOME ARE, AGAIN, SOME DESTINATION UPTOWN AND SOME ARE THROUGH.
AND THEN WHAT WE LEARNED FROM ORIGIN DESTINATION DATA WAS THAT THOSE TRIPS INTO UPTOWN 50% ARE COMING FROM THE WEST FROM 89, A 35% FROM THE SOUTH, AND 15% FROM THE NORTH.
AGAIN, THAT'S JUST INTO UPTOWN, NOT NECESSARILY PASS THROUGH TRAFFIC.
AND THAT KIND OF GUIDED SOME OF THE, THE, THE QUESTIONS ON WHERE ULTIMATELY SHOULD CONSOLIDATED PARKING GO, SHOULD WE PRIORITIZE THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION BECAUSE THAT TRAFFIC COMING INTO UPTOWN IS COMING FROM THE WEST AND THAT CAN HELP FREE UP SOME OF THE CAPACITY OF THE Y.
UH, AND SO AGAIN, THESE WERE GRAPHICS THAT WERE GENERATED FROM PAST STUDIES, BUT JUST WANTED TO KIND OF RECAP THAT FROM FEW YEARS AGO.
SO THIS, THIS SHOWS OVER TIME WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN TERMS OF THE, THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME ON BOARD.
SO THE THREE FIXED ROUTES WE'VE PRIMARILY LOOKED AT FROM THE MODEL IS 89 A NORTHBOUND FROM AIRPORT TO THE Y 89, A SOUTHBOUND FROM RAINBOW TROUT TO THE Y, AND THEN 1 79 NORTHBOUND FROM BELL ROCK TO THE Y.
AND AGAIN, RECOGNIZING THAT, UH, COMMENTS IN THE PAST WHERE BELL ROCK TO THE Y IS QUITE A LONG DISTANCE, THERE CAN BE OTHER EXTERNAL FACTORS THAT AFFECT TRAFFIC.
BUT BECAUSE WE'VE CAPTURED THAT DATA ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2019, WE CAN
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START TO AT LEAST SEE SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS IN UPTOWN AND, UH, AND THE SURROUNDING AREA, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE ARE DOING IN TERMS OF BENEFITS TO CONGESTION.AND THEN SOME DATES THAT ARE SHOWN ALONG THE BOTTOM THERE.
NOVEMBER, 2020 IS WHEN WE COMPLETED UPTOWN SEDONA, AND THAT'S WHEN WE PUT IN, UH, THE MEDIAN BARRIER THROUGHOUT BECAUSE ONE OF THE PRIMARY DRIVERS AT CONGESTION UPTOWN WAS ALL OF THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE CHANNELED THEM TO DESIGNATED CROSSWALKS.
UM, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY THE, THE CAPACITY ITSELF OF THE ROADWAY, SO A SECOND SOUTHBOUND LANE, UM, COMING BASICALLY FROM, UM, THE NORTH HEADING SOUTHBOUND THROUGH UPTOWN AND THEN ULTIMATELY DOWN TO TO FOREST AND THE Y.
AND SO AS WE'VE TRACKED THOSE TRAVEL TIMES AND THOSE FIXED ROUTES, YOU'LL NOTE I HAVE IN BOLD THERE THAT THE, UH, UPTOWN SEDONA WAS COMPLETED IN 2020, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF COVID AT THAT TIME.
SO WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY REALIZE THAT BENEFIT IN THE SOUTHBOUND DIRECTION UNTIL 2022 WHERE WE SAW THAT TRAVEL TIME CUT IN HALF.
AND THAT HAS BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE REAL TRAVEL TIMES THAT ARE CAPTURED ALMOST DAILY BY THE CITY.
UH, AND THEN ALSO, UH, WE'RE TRACKING VOLUMES AS WELL.
SO THAT PROJECT SHOWED A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN THE SOUTHBOUND DIRECTION.
BUT AGAIN, AS PEOPLE RECALL, THEN IT WAS REALLY NOTICED.
NORTHBOUND NORTHBOUND WAS NOT FIXED.
SO AS YOU SEE PEOPLE REALLY FLOWING SOUTHBOUND, NORTHBOUND CONGESTION WAS ADDRESSED.
SO WE ADDRESSED THAT WITH AMAR RIGHT TURN LANE AND THEN THE UPTOWN NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS AND, UM, STARTED TO SEE SOME BENEFITS.
BUT AGAIN, THOSE WERE SMALLER PROJECTS TO JUST KIND OF FREE UP THE Y BUT THE REAL BENEFIT THAT WE'VE SEEN OF RECENT IS THE COMPLETION OF THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION.
AND IN 2026 WE'RE NOW SEEING A TRAVEL TIME REDUCTION AGAIN, CUT BY HALF.
YOU CAN SEE PRETTY CONSISTENTLY ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 20 MINUTES, 89 NORTHBOUND FROM AIRPORT TO THE Y.
BUT OVER THE LAST YEAR WE'VE SEEN IT ON AVERAGE, UM, SEVEN TO EIGHT MINUTES.
SO THAT HAS SHOWN THAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE LISTED THERE HAVE IMPROVED THOSE SPECIFIC DIRECTIONS.
BUT ONE THING WE DID NOTE IS WE WERE, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE FOCUS WAS GETTING THAT TRAFFIC WHERE THE BULK OF THE TRAVELERS ARE COMING FROM TO THE WEST.
89 A HAS SIGNIFICANT MORE TRAFFIC THAN 1 79, BUT YOU'LL NOTE NORTHBOUND 1 79 HAS NOT REALLY SEEN ANY IMPROVEMENTS OVER THE YEARS.
AND THAT'S 'CAUSE A LOT OF THE PROJECTS HAVE NOT FOCUSED ON THAT.
UM, THE METERING ITSELF THAT WE DID AT THE END OF 24 DID FOCUS ON THAT.
AND WE STARTED TO NOTE THE ROUNDABOUT ITSELF HAS ONLY SO MUCH CAPACITY.
SO AS WE START TO FREE UP MOVEMENTS IN, UH, TWO LEGS, ONE LEG HAS TO BE ALMOST THE SACRIFICIAL LAMB, SO TO SPEAK.
SO THE METERING PROJECT AND THE, THE ADAPTIVE SIGNALS THAT ARE PROPOSED AT THE Y WILL ALLOW YOU TO PRIORITIZE DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS DEPENDING ON WHERE THE BULK OF THE TRAFFIC IS COMING FROM.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE LEARNED AT THE END OF 2024, WHICH HAS NOW BEEN APPLIED TO THAT DESIGN.
UH, THAT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLETE AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT LATER IN THE SLIDES.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS DATA? NO, I GUESS IT WAS ALREADY A QUESTION.
ADOT, HAS THOSE LETTER GRADES A, B, C, D, F AND IS THAT JUST FOR INTERSECTION, UH, WAIT TIMES OR IS IT THESE LONGER TRAVEL TIMES TOO? I'M WONDERING HOW HOW THIS RELATES TO THOSE LETTER GRADES, IF IT DOES.
IT'S, SO YOU DO HAVE INTERSECTION LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THEN YOU HAVE ROADWAY LEVEL OF SERVICE.
SO YOU KINDA LOOK AT, AT BOTH WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT TRAFFIC MODELING.
UM, I DON'T HAVE THE LITTLE LEVEL OF SERVICE GRADES HERE BECAUSE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE DISCUSSION IN THE PAST WAS AS WE TALKED THROUGH LIKE LEVEL OF SERVICE A OR F, PEOPLE WANTED TO C WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF TIME? SO YEAH, IN, IN SOME CASES YOU COULD SAY RIGHT NOW IN A PEAK CONDITION, NORTHBOUND 1 79 IS CLOSE TO AN EVEN E AND AN F IT'S FAILING BECAUSE OF THE CONGESTION.
WHEREAS, UM, EIGHT AND A NORTHBOUND IN 2022 WAS CLOSE TO FAILING.
WE'D STILL SEE TRAFFIC BUILD UP ALL THE WAY PAST COOKS, HILL UP COOKS HILL, AND NOW WE'RE OPERATING MORE OF A A, B, OR C.
SO IT'S AS YOU HAVE AN A AND A B AND A C, THAT IS TYPICALLY FREE FLOW TRAFFIC, NOT A LOT OF FRICTION.
AND THEN AS YOU START TO GET TO THE C'S, D'S AND E'S, E'S AND F'S ARE FAILING.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S GRIDLOCK AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING WITH SOME OF THOSE TRAVEL TIMES.
WELL JUST LIKE SCHOOL LETTER GRADES, I MEAN IT DOESN'T TELL YOU EVERYTHING, BUT IT IS SOMEWHAT OF AN INDICATOR.
SO IT'S INTERESTING TO ME SINCE THEY'VE BEEN INTRODUCED INTO OUR VOCABULARY TO KIND OF KEEP REFERRING TO 'EM, YOU KNOW, AS WE YEAH, NO, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
AND MOST ALL OF OUR, ALL OF OUR STUDIES AND, AND AND CONCEPT REPORTS AND PLANNING, THOSE HAVE
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GRADES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM IN TERMS OF, OF LEVEL OF SERVICE.BUT FOR THE SAKE OF A LOT OF THESE PRESENTATIONS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IN, IN TIME MM-HMM
AND A LOT OF IT'S 'CAUSE THAT'S HOW MOST OF THE DATA HAS BEEN CAPTURED OVER THE YEARS.
SO IT'S EASIER TO KIND OF CONVEY YOU'RE SAVING HALF THE TIME, WHICH WOULD SHOW A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN YOUR GRADE.
SO ANDREW, WITH THIS DATA IN MIND, HOW'S THE VIS MODEL DOING? DOES, HAS IT SHOWED THIS ACCURATE PREDICTIONS OF THE IMPACTS OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE? TELL ME MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT TIME AND EFFORT THAT WE PUT INTO THE VIS MODEL.
YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO BURY THE LEAD THERE 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S COMING UP IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT YES.
YEAH, WE WANTED TO, WE KIND OF WANTED SET THE FRAMEWORK IN THE PROJECTS AND THEN THE TIMES, AND THEN WE HAVE THE MODEL THAT'S BEEN UPDATED AND CALIBRATED.
ANDREW, I MEAN THIS DATA BEGS THE QUESTION THAT THE NORTHBOUND BELL ROCK TO THE Y HAS DETERIORATED AND SO HASN'T GOTTEN ANY BETTER
YEAH, THE, THE, THE, THE ONE PRIMARY IMPROVEMENT WAS THE, THE PEDESTRIAN UNDERPASS, UM, TO AID WITH, AGAIN, PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS THERE.
NOW THAT HASN'T BEEN COMPLETELY ELIMINATED, OBVIOUSLY, SO THEY'RE STILL CROSSING THAT GRADE AND BELOW GRADE.
UM, BUT YES, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS TRAFFIC CONTINUES TO BUILD.
WE'RE SEEING YEAR OVER YEAR OF ANYWHERE FROM ONE POINT A HALF, TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT TRAFFIC INCREASE.
AND THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THAT STRETCH OF 1 79.
WE DID SEE, AND AGAIN, THE, THE PRIMARY PROJECT NOW RECOGNIZING THAT THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH CAPACITY AT A ROUNDABOUT IS THE, THE ADAPTIVE SIGNALS THAT ARE PLANNED BECAUSE WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO REALIZE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS IN ONE DIRECTION, WE CAN PUT A RED LIGHT THERE AHEAD OF THAT, THAT ROUNDABOUT AND ALLOW 1 79 PRIORITY.
SO WE WILL START TO SEE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS IN 1 79.
AND AGAIN, WHAT WE NOTICED WAS WE, WE SAW PEAKS AT DIFFERENT TIMES AND THAT HELPED WITH, NOW DURING MARCH AND APRIL PERIOD OR OR PEAK TIMES AROUND THANKSGIVING OR LABOR DAY WHEN WE TESTED, WE CAN GET OUT THERE ONCE THE SIGNALS ARE IN PLACE AND THEY'RE SET UP TO BE FULLY ADAPTIVE.
WE HAVE DETECTION CAMERAS AND WE HAVE SOFTWARE THAT CAN, THAT CAN CHANGE THINGS AS NEEDED.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE KIND OF A SET PATTERN THAT'S SET, BUT IF WE START TO SEE BUILDUP IN ONE DIRECTION, WE CAN IMMEDIATELY STOP TRAFFIC AND START TO MAKE THAT FLOW.
SO I THINK WE'LL SEE AN IMPROVEMENT ONCE THAT PROJECT COMES ON BOARD WITH THAT DIRECTION TRAVEL.
BUT HAVE WE GOTTEN APPROVAL FOR A O YES, WE HAVE GOTTEN APPROVAL FROM ADOT FOR THE ENCROACHMENT PERMIT THAT WE'LL GET, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE ASSIGNED IGA WITH ADOT FOR THAT, UH, UH, INSTALLATION.
ALTHOUGH WE EXPECT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THAT BY THE END OF THE YEAR, END OF, BY THE END OF THE YEAR WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT DECEMBER YEAR.
WE'VE SUBMITTED TWO SETS OF PLANS TO THEM AND WE HAD OUR LAST SET HAD VERY MINOR COMMENTS.
SO EFFECTIVELY THE DESIGN IS APPROVED, THE COMMENTS ARE, WE NEED TRAFFIC CONTROL, ENCROACHMENT PERMIT, CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE, ALL THINGS YOU NEED WHEN YOU TAKE IT TO CONSTRUCTION.
SO IT'S ALL REALLY KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVE AND PAPERWORK THAT'S NECESSARY.
SO IS IT JUST BUREAUCRATIC DELAYS? IT'S A LITTLE BUREAUCRATIC DELAY AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT FINDING, UH, THE LANGUAGE FOR THE INSTALLATION OF, OF THIS IN THE, IN AN IGA THAT WAS SIMILAR.
SO, SO IF IT'S, FEELS LIKE IT'S A SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, THE END OF THE YEAR IS MONTHS AWAY IF WE'RE THIS CLOSE IT, IT COULD COME EARLIER.
I HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH ADOT AND I EXPECT THAT IT'LL TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
SO YEAH, I WILL SAY WE WERE CONFIDENT IN OUR DESIGN, BUT WE WERE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED AT THE, AT LEAST THE COORDINATION WITH ADOT ON THE DESIGN SIDE.
ONE, JUST THE PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS OF HERE'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AT THE Y UM, WITH THE DISTRICT AND THEN THE TWO SETS OF SUBMITTALS AND THE, THE COMMENTS THAT ARE RELATIVELY MINOR.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A LIAISON WITH ADOT WAS TO HELP US THROUGH THESE ISSUES.
SO WHEN IT'S ALL IT NEEDS IS A SIGNATURE, LET US KNOW AND WE'LL CONTACT OUR LIAISON AND SEE WHAT SHE COULD DO FOR US AND WHEN EVERYTHING'S WRAPPED UP AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF YEAH, THE LAST SIGNATURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE DATA COLLECTION STATUS OF SIM GOING INTO THE VIS MODELING?
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SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA SHOW IS WE WE'RE GONNA KIND OF RE RESHOW WHAT WE MODELED IN 2021.SO 2021 WAS ALL OUR DATA WE PICKED UP FOR A PEAK DAY IN MARCH AND WE'VE BUILT OUR MODEL OFF OF THAT AND THEN WE'VE NOW REBUILT THE MODEL BASED ON TRAFFIC COUNTS TRAVEL TIMES THAT HAVE CHANGED.
SO THE MODEL HAS BEEN RECALIBRATED TO, UH, TO MATCH UP WITH THE NOW EXISTING CONDITION IN 2026.
AND THEN WE'RE MODELING, UH, FOUR YEARS OUT IN TERMS OF 2030 AND SHOWING KIND OF WHAT A, WHAT A NO BUILD SITUATION WOULD LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN WHAT A, A BUILD OUT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UH, AND THEN THIS GRAPHIC IS ONE THING ON HERE, AS I LOOKED CLOSER AT IT, WHAT WE DID WAS, THIS GOES BACK TO THE DATA COLLECTION, IS WE, WE HAD PREDICTED, UH, VOLUMES WITH OUR 2021 MODEL, UH, UP TO 2024.
AND THEN WE STARTED TO CAPTURE THOSE TURNING MOVEMENTS WHEN WE DID THOSE TESTS WITH THE, THE METERING SUMMARY THAT I WAS TELLING YOU ABOUT.
THE ONE THING HERE AS YOU'LL NOTE IS WE'VE GOT THE VOLUMES PRETTY WELL MATCHED UP ALONG EAST AND WEST, SO ALONG 89 A, BUT YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE IN THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION, WE HAD PREDICTED 4 55 CARS COMING NORTHBOUND AND HEADING WEST.
AND WE HAVE ABOUT HALF OF THAT JULY 5TH, 2024.
AND ON A FRIDAY I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THAT AND THE REASON FOR THIS IS WE COULDN'T GET AS MUCH CARS THROUGH THERE.
SO THIS GOES BACK TO WE HAD PRIORITIZED WITH OUR METERING, WE HAD PRIORITIZED THAT MOVEMENT ALONG EASTBOUND OR NORTHBOUND 89 A AND THAT ENDED UP BASICALLY CUT IN HALF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THEY GET THROUGH ON, ON 1 79.
THAT WAS OUR FIRST WEEKEND OF THOSE TESTS.
AND WE DID SUBSEQUENT TESTS AGAIN IN SEPTEMBER AND NOVEMBER AND I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THOSE NUMBERS AND WE HAD STARTED TO KIND OF EVEN THOSE OUT AND THE MODEL PRETTY WELL MATCHES WHAT WE WERE SEEING IN NOVEMBER.
SO THIS ONE WAS JUST, AGAIN, WE WERE LEARNING ON THE GROUND IN TERMS OF, OF WHAT TIME TRAFFIC WAS COMING THROUGH AND, AND WHEN WE NEEDED TO PRIORITIZE THAT.
AND THUS THE REASON FOR THE ADAPTIVE SIGNAL PROJECT.
SO AGAIN, I RECOGNIZE THAT WHEN I'VE SHOWED THESE BEFORE, IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE THE CARS.
SO WE HAVE TWO KIND OF SCREENSHOTS AROUND THE SAME TIME PERIOD.
SO PEAK CONDITION WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN SHOWN IS ANYWHERE FROM ONE 30 TO TWO O'CLOCK.
THE, UH, THE SCREENSHOT ON YOUR LEFT IS 2021.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDUP UP COOKS HILL LIKE WE HAD SEEN BEFORE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WERE IMPLEMENTED.
I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THIS IS THE ENTIRETY OF THE MODEL THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
I'M GONNA GO TO OUR NEXT SCREEN AND THIS IS THE CLOSEUP OF THE SAME YEP.
SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO MORE CLEARLY SEE THE CARS YEP.
SO WE CAN SEE ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE IS WHAT WE HAD MODELED IN 2021 BASED ON EXISTING CONDITIONS.
AND THE 2026 BASE IS NOW WHAT WE'RE SEEING AND THAT'S WITH ALL OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE MAIN IMPROVEMENT IS THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION THAT IS ALLEVIATED A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC THAT IS GETTING INTO THE Y UH, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF IT IS THE NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS WHERE WE ADDED THAT SECOND LANE ALL THE WAY UP TO FOREST TO JUST FREE UP SOME DOWNSTREAM CAPACITY FROM THE Y UH, BUT WE, WE CALIBRATED THIS WITHIN A CERTAIN TOLERANCE OF TRAVEL TIMES THAT WE LOOKED AT FROM, UH, THE TRACTION DATA THAT WE WERE USING AS WELL AS WE UPDATED THE, THE CURRENT VOLUME.
SO THIS IS BASED ON BOTH TRAVEL TIMES CAPTURED IN 2026 AS WELL AS VOLUME DATA.
AND THE FOREST ROAD HAS PEAK VOLUME DATA AS WELL.
SO IT MIGHT NOT LOOK LIKE A LOT OF CARS ARE ON THERE, BUT IT'S DURING A PEAK HOUR WE SEE 230 CARS USING FOREST ROAD AND THAT'S WHAT'S WHAT'S MODELED RIGHT NOW.
AND SO THIS, UH, TO YOUR QUESTION, COUNCIL FERMAN, THIS WAS, THIS IS SEEING THAT SEVEN AND A HALF TO EIGHT MINUTE TRAVEL TIME NOW IN THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION, I GUESS PLAN EAST ON THE SCREEN ALONG 89 A BUT YOU CAN STILL SEE 1 79 IS OPERATING ABOUT THE SAME.
SO WE CHECKED ALL THREE LEGS AGAINST THE DATA WE'D CAPTURED AND, AND THIS IS THE CALIBRATED MODEL IN TERMS OF THE, OF 2026.
ANY QUESTIONS? NO, ANDREW, YOU HAD SAID ON THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE THAT YOU HAD SEEN A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NORTHBOUND 1 79 AND THE FOLKS HEADED WEST AND THE PREDICTION WASN'T QUITE RIGHT.
AND, AND THAT TO ME RELATES TO WHAT I THINK I'VE HEARD FROM IN THE PAST THAT WE'VE SAID THAT A LOT OF THAT CONGESTION DOWN THAT AREA OR PEOPLE LEAVING TO LOCK GOING AROUND
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THE NUY HILL ROUNDABOUT AND COMING OUT AND HEADED WEST.WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR CURRENT THINKING ABOUT THAT? YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MODELED HERE, BUT WE HAD PROJECTED, AGAIN, FROM LIKE PEAK HOUR MOVEMENTS.
WE HAD 60 TO 70 U-TURN MOVEMENTS THAT CAME OUT OF TEAK P**I, HUGE NEBBY HEADING NORTH.
AND SOME OF THAT WAS BASED ON ORIGIN DESTINATION.
WE KNOW WHERE CARS ARE GOING AND THEN WE HAD COUNTS IN TERMS OF, WE HAD 140 RIDE OUTS IN A PEAK HOUR AND WE KNEW ALMOST HALF OF THEM THEIR DESTINATION WAS NORTHBOUND.
SO WE WERE PROBABLY EVEN A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE WITH THE NUMBER OF U-TURNS.
AND THAT WILL BE ALLEVIATED WITH THE PORTAL CONNECTION BECAUSE THE BULK OF THAT TRAFFIC IS GONNA JUMP RIGHT OUT ONTO BREWER.
WE JUST KNOW WE JUST HAVE, WHAT WE'VE MODELED IN, IN TERMS OF THE NEXT ITERATION WE SHOW IN 2030 IS REALLY FIVE E FIVE D AND THE RANGER EXTENSION.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE PORTAL MODEL, BUT THAT WILL FREE UP.
'CAUSE WE DID FIND THAT A LONG TIME AGO IN THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN WAS A LOT OF THOSE, ALL OF THE ROUNDABOUTS, WHEN THEY GET BOGGED DOWN, THEY'RE AFFECTING EVERY LEG OF TRAFFIC.
SO IF YOU CAN ALLEVIATE U-TURNS, THAT CERTAINLY HELPS 'CAUSE U-TURNS, UH, THEY UH, THEY IMPACT ALL LEGS OF TRAVEL BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKING ONE DIRECTION, THEY'RE GOING A U-TURN ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
SO THEY'RE AFFECTING PEOPLE COMING IN FROM THE NORTH AS WELL AS COMING FROM THE SOUTH.
SO THAT WILL, WE WILL SEE A, A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT IN TERMS OF THAT TRAVEL, ESPECIALLY AS WITH THE, AGAIN, THE, THE RUN WE HAVE ON THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT TRAVEL TIMES AT 30 MINUTES.
SO I THINK THAT WAS, UH, COUNCILOR FULTON'S COMMENT BEFORE IS WE NEEDED TO LOOK AT SHORTER, SHORTER LEGS AS FAR AS WE CAN SEE LIKE THE TRUE IMPACTS OF THE UPTOWN IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WE DID START TO TRACK.
IT'S JUST, AGAIN, WE DIDN'T START TRACKING THAT UNTIL ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, SO WE HAD TO GO BACK TO USE THE OTHER ONES.
THANK YOU FOR REMEMBERING
HERE WE HAVE THE 2030 NO BUILD AND THE 2030 BUILD OUT OF WITH SIM FIVE D AND FIVE B.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THE NO BUILD STARTS TO LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD IN 2021.
AND THE NEXT SCREEN WILL SHOW KIND OF WHAT THE DATA SHOWS IN TERMS OF VEHICLE DELAYS.
SO AS WE START TO LOOK AT, WE JUST DID A 2% GROWTH RATE OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS IN 2030, KIND OF LOOKING AT WHEN, YOU KNOW, FIVE E FIVE D AND THE RANGER EXTENSION COULD BE COMPLETED.
UM, AND WE STARTED TO JUST RUN THAT SCENARIO.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF BACK TO TRAFFIC BUILDING BACKUP 89 A WHILE FOREST IS A A NICE RELEASE VALVE RELIEF VALVE, WE'RE STILL GOING TO SEE MORE TRAFFIC COMING.
WE'RE SEEING TRAFFIC GROWTH COMING INTO THE CITY.
AND SO, UM, WHAT THIS SHOWS IS, AS HAS BEEN KIND OF NOTED ALL ALONG, AGAIN SINCE THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN IS, WELL, WE CAN'T OBVIOUSLY WIDEN ROADWAYS, ESPECIALLY AS WE GET INTO UPTOWN, THERE CAN BE CERTAIN RELIEF IN TERMS OF ADJACENT IMPROVEMENTS AND DIFFERENT CONNECTIONS TO KINDA GET THROUGH, ESPECIALLY AS YOU, AS YOU RUN THROUGH THE Y AND SO IN THIS CASE WE USED, AGAIN, THIS WAS WHEN WE WERE IN THE FIELD NOTING, UH, THE POTENTIAL METERING PROJECT, ONCE WE START TO SEE BACKUP UP 89 A PEOPLE START TO JUMP AND USE BREWER.
UM, AND WE SAW ANYWHERE FROM LIKE 20 TO 30% DEPENDING ON WHERE, WHAT TIME OF DAY.
SO WE DID START TO APPLY 30% OF THE TRAFFIC BASICALLY REROUTING AND EITHER USING FIVE E AND THE RANGER EXTENSION OR CONTINUE TO USE BREWER.
THIS DOES HAVE MODELED AS WE RECALL, MORE GONNA CHANGE ACCESS ON BREWER.
THE ROUNDABOUT GEOMETRY WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
WE WERE JUST GOING TO FILL IN THE MEDIAN TO PREVENT THOSE LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS, BUT THERE'S STILL A RIGHT TURN OPTION THERE.
SO YOU STILL WOULD HAVE THAT AS A, AS ANOTHER RELIEF RELEASE VALVE FROM THE, FROM 89 A.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S MODELED HERE IS FIVE E FIVE D AND THE, THE RANGER EXTENSION.
AND THEN THE CHANGE OF ACCESS AT BREWER.
DOES THE 23, 20 30 NO BUILD INCLUDE THE Y METERING? WE HAVE NOT, WE HAVE NOT MODELED THAT HERE.
UM, SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT ONE WAS, IT'S SO DYNAMIC, IT WAS TOUGH TO MODEL IT.
UM, BUT THAT ONE'S REALLY GOING TO BE BASED ON KIND OF THE DETECTION WE'RE PROPOSING AND THE, THE DYNAMIC NATURE OF THE ADAPTIVE SIGNALS THAT THAT ONE WAS REALLY KINDA HOUR BY HOUR.
AND SO WE DID NOT MODEL THAT HERE.
WE WERE LOOKING MORE AT THE KIND OF THE FIXED ROUTES AND,
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AND THE, THE FIXED PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS.ANDREW, HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO MODIFY THE MODEL? SORT OF LIKE YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, ON THE RIGHT SIDE IT'S LIKE, IT'S MULTIPLE PIECES IN THERE.
IT'S THE, UH, CONTINUATION OF BREWER RIGHT OVER TO FOREST AT THE ROUNDABOUT.
UM, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN A LOT OF INTEREST FROM THE COMMUNITY AND I THINK COUNCIL ABOUT WHETHER THAT ROUNDABOUT IS THE BEST IDEA, UH, YES.
LIKE HOW HARD IS IT TO MODEL, LIKE TAKING THAT ROUNDABOUT OUT AND HAVING A SIGNALED INTERSECTION THERE, SMART SIGNALIZE, ET CETERA.
WE MODELED IT BEFORE, SO WE, I MEAN IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT I THINK IT WAS 2022 WE HAD OUR, WHEN WE HAD THE DCR COMPLETED FOR RANGER BREWER SPECIFICALLY, AND THEN WE PRESENTED KIND OF TWO MODELED OPTIONS.
AND SO THAT'S, IT WAS IN THE DCR IN TERMS OF GOING BACK TO, WE HAD DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SERVICE AND WE HAD SIGNIFICANT DELAYS WITH THE SIGNAL, PARTIALLY BECAUSE AS WE LOOKED AT, WE MODELED IT AS A STANDALONE ROUNDABOUT, WHICH DIDN'T SEE A TON OF BENEFIT, BUT WHEN IT WAS MODELED AS A SYSTEM, THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED TO REALIZE THE BENEFITS OF THAT ROUNDABOUT.
BUT WE HAD MODELED IT, SO IT WOULD JUST BE A MATTER OF UPDATING IT WITH THE NEW VOLUMES MM-HMM
AND THEN MODELING A ROUNDABOUT THAT LOCATION VERSUS A SIGNAL AND THEN, AND THEN RUNNING THE MODEL.
SO AND WHAT TLA IS DCR? WHAT'S THAT? YOU, YOU THREW OUT A, OH, I'M SORRY.
SO WE DID, WE TOOK IT TO A 15% DESIGN LEVEL, STARTED TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT TRAFFIC SCENARIOS AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAD PRESENTED IN, YOU KNOW, LIKE SUMMER OF 22, THE FINDINGS TO MAKE A DEC DECISION ON WHICH ALTERNATIVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
SO IT HAS BEEN A WHILE SO IT, IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO DUST THAT ONE OFF.
CAN YOU BE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT THOSE ARE? FIVE E IS UP AT, IT'S THE FOREST 89 A AND RANGER INTERSECTION.
AND THEN FIVE D IS THE RANGER BREWER ROUNDABOUT.
AND THEN THE RANGER EXTENSION IS IN BETWEEN AND IS THE RANGER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CALL IT, THE BACK, THE WAY TO GET TO BREW TO, EXCUSE ME, FROM 1 79 TO BREWER ROAD OR FROM 89 A THROUGH BREWER ROAD FROM ALAKA INSTEAD OF GOING OUT AND HAVING TO GO DOWN TO SCHLEY THE, TO GO THE BACK WAY OUT.
IS THAT IN THERE? THAT'S IT IS THE PORTAL TO THAT'S, UH, RANGER, YEAH.
IT'S NOT MODELED, BUT IT'S, IT'S A PLANNED IMPROVEMENT.
CAN I GO BACK TO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, I'M SPACING ON THE TERM, THE, UM, THE LIGHTS IF YOU WILL IN THE ROUNDABOUT.
UM, IS THAT AT ALL, IS THE SCHLEY HILL ROUNDABOUT AT ALL A CANDIDATE FOR THAT? OR IS THERE NOT ENOUGH ROOM BETWEEN THE TWO? OR WHY IF 1 79 SUCH A PROBLEM GOING NORTH, WHY IS THE ADAPTIVE SIGNALING OVER AT THE Y INSTEAD OF AT SCHLEY? NOT IN ADDITION TO SCHLEY? UM, I LET ANDY SPEAK TO THAT.
I DO KNOW THAT WE'RE USING THE Y JUST 'CAUSE THAT IS THE PRIMARY CONGESTION POINT.
BUT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, UM, UTILIZING THAT TECHNOLOGY, ESPECIALLY AT, AT FIVE E AT THE, AT THE FOREST RANGER INTERSECTION.
SO I DON'T, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PROXIMITY.
YOU COULD STILL UTILIZE IT BECAUSE YOU PUT THE, YOU BASICALLY, YOU PUT THE DETECTION SYSTEM IN PLACE AND IT'S UP TO YOU WHEN YOU WANT TO USE IT.
THAT'S WHY I WOULD, IT'S IT'S ADAPTIVE WHEN YOU'RE USING IT, BUT YOU CAN ALSO PUT A BAG OVER IT AND NOT USE IT WHEN YOU'RE OFF PEAK.
YEAH, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UH, I THINK MOVING FORWARD WE'LL WANT TO CONSIDER THAT TECHNOLOGY AT ALL OF OUR INTERSECTIONS AS YOU KNOW, THE ROUNDABOUT INTERSECTIONS.
AND SO LOOKING AT SCHLEY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
WE DO WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOREST ROUNDABOUT AS WELL AS THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT.
UM, THERE'S ALSO, UH, KIND OF A VERSION OF THAT THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING AT THE RANGER 1 79 INTERSECTION.
SO ESPECIALLY IN THIS CORRIDOR, TECHNO TECHNOLOGY LIKE THAT IS LIKELY TO HELP WITH EFFICIENCY AND SO IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, BUT TIMING WISE, UM, IS THE OTHER CONSIDERATION THERE, RIGHT? HOW DO WE MIX THAT INTO ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS, IS THE CONSIDERATION, BUT IT'S RELATIVELY
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INEXPENSIVE COMPARED TO SOME OF THESE BUILD OUTS, RIGHT? AND, AND WITH THIS REEVALUATION THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS TEAM IS DOING, UM, PROBABLY MAKES SENSE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND PUT THAT INTO WHAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING.THE, THE ONE, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH ROXANNE AND JOHN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AS THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THIS AND HOW THE PIECES FIT TOGETHER, THEY'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, A O PERMITTING AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COME INTO SOME PROJECTS AND NOT OTHERS.
SO IT AFFECTS THE TIMING OF HOW YOU ROLL THESE THINGS OUT AND PROGRAM THEM.
BUT, UM, THAT'S PART OF WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.
SO IT MAKES SENSE AS, AS LONG AS YOU CAN GET, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE Y WE ARE COMMUNICATING UP WITH THE FOREST, THE EXISTING FOREST 89 A INTERSECTION RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE FINDINGS WAS WE NEED TO CLEAR NORTHBOUND DOWNSTREAM OF THE Y BEFORE WE START TO FREE UP THAT TRAFFIC.
SO IT WAS CRITICAL THAT WE COMMUNICATE TO THAT SIGNAL.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE RADIO COMMUNICATION FROM THE SIGNAL AT FOREST TO THE Y SIGNAL SO THAT WE KNOW WHEN GREEN TIME GOES FOR NORTHBOUND FOREST AND IT'S CLEAR YOU CAN IMMEDIATELY STOP SOUTHBOUND 89 A AND FREE UP TRAVEL TO GO NORTH.
BUT THOSE HAVE TO GO ONE AND THE SAME.
SO YOU COULD START TO DO THE SAME THING AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY DOWN THE CORRIDOR, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE LINE OF SIGHT WITH RADIO COMMUNICATION AND DETECTION SPACES OF WHERE YOU WANT TO PICK UP TRAFFIC THAT'S QUEUING THE WHOLE THING THEN CAN BE ADAPTIVE.
SO YOU COULD START TO INCLUDE THAT EVERYWHERE.
AND WE'VE, WE'RE HARD WIRING EVERYTHING IN TOO, SO WE HAVE TO COMMUNICATE BY RADIO TO GET THE SIGNALS, BUT FROM THE DETECTION, WE'RE ACTUALLY WIRING THAT BASICALLY TO KIND OF A HUB JUST AT THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE Y SO YOU'RE STARTING TO KIND OF EXTEND OUT ALREADY WE'RE EXTENDING OUT A LITTLE BIT DOWN 1 79, SO YOU JUST HAVE TO CONTINUE THAT.
AND THEN THE SAME TO THE WEST.
SO THE, THIS IS THE RESULTS OF THE MODEL THAT I WAS SPEAKING TO EARLIER.
AND WHAT WE WANT TO KIND OF FOCUS ON IS AVERAGE VEHICLE DELAY AND THEN UNSERVED VEHICLE DEMAND.
SO AVERAGE VEHICLE DELAY KIND OF SPEAKS FOR ITSELF ONCE A VEHICLE GETS INTO THE SYSTEM.
AND THE SYSTEM IS WHAT KIND OF THE BROADER MODEL THAT WE WERE SHOWING YOU, THEY HAVE AN AVERAGE IN THE EXISTING CONDITION, AN AVERAGE DELAY OF 159 SECONDS.
SO YOU HAVE 7 MILLION SECONDS OF DELAY FROM THE OVERALL SYSTEM.
BUT KIND OF THE BIG ONE IS UNSERVED VEHICLE DEMANDS.
SO THOSE ARE VEHICLES THAT END A FREE FLOW CONDITION GOING BACK TO MORE OF LIKE A LEVEL OF SERVICE A OR B.
YOU GET ALL, ALL THE VEHICLES CAN GET THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND TO THEIR DESTINATION.
BUT IN THE CONGESTION THAT WE HAD, YOU HAVE FOUR AND FIVE VEHICLES THAT NEVER EVEN MAKE IT INTO THE MODEL.
THEY'RE STUCK SOUTH DOWN 1 79 OR 89 A OR, OR COMING IN FROM THE CANYON.
WE STARTED TO SEE SOME INTERIM, YOU KNOW, SOME MINIMUM IMPROVEMENTS WITH THEM, OUR RIGHT TURN LANE AND THEN THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION COMING IN.
SO WE START TO REALIZE THAT NOW THE AVERAGE VEHICLE'S CUT IN HALF AND WE'RE AT ZERO UNSERVED VEHICLES RIGHT NOW.
SO FROM THE MODEL, EVERY VEHICLE THAT ENTERS IN IS ABLE TO GET INTO THE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW IN THE, IN THE BASE CONDITION.
BUT IF WE LOOK AT AN ANNUAL GROWTH RATE OF 2% IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, WE'RE GONNA START TO HOVER BACK AROUND, NOT NECESSARILY IN TERMS OF THAT UNSERVED VEHICLE, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING VERY CLOSE IN TERMS OF, OF DELAYS.
UM, THAT JUST AGAIN, GOES WITH LIKE, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL BUILD ABLE TO, ONCE THE ADAPTIVE SIGNALS COME IN, WE'LL START TO SEE IF WE'RE ABLE TO KINDA RECIRCULATE TRAFFIC USING THAT.
UM, BUT THE MODEL AND KIND OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN SHOWN OVER THE YEARS IS THERE NEEDS TO BE A, A SECONDARY CONNECTION IN KIND OF THAT SOUTHWEST CORRIDOR, ESPECIALLY TO TALK TRANSIT POSSIBLY COMING IN.
AND WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KIND OF EMERGENCY VEHICLES BEING ABLE TO GET THROUGH AND UTILIZE THOSE ADAPTIVE SIGNALS.
UM, SOME IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE DONE IN TERMS OF THE, THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE CORRIDOR FOREST REALLY HELPED IN TERMS OF PEOPLE GETTING UPTOWN, BUT THERE'S STILL PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT ARE GOING EITHER EAST TO SOUTH OR NORTH TO WEST.
THAT, UH, A SECOND OPTION WILL, WILL FREE UP SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC FROM THE HIGHWAYS.
ANDREW, WHAT'S BEEN THE ANNUAL GROWTH? AND FROM 21 TO 26 IT'S BEEN AROUND LIKE AGAIN ONE AND A HALF TO TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT.
WE, I THINK WE SAW ONE PRETTY BIG SPIKE AS WE STARTED TO LOOK AT THE DATA, BUT PRETTY CONSISTENTLY AROUND THAT 2%.
AND THAT'S NOT, WE JUST, I KNOW I MENTIONED VISITOR DATA EARLIER.
THIS IS, THIS IS TRAFFIC, SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY YOU POPULATION NOT GROWING, THE VISITORS MAY NOT BE INCREASING.
THIS IS TRAFFIC THAT, THAT WE'RE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC COUNTS.
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ANDREW, HAVE YOU HAD ANY VISIBILITY INTO THE VERDE VALLEY MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLANNING PROCESS AND SOME OF THE PROJECTIONS ABOUT FUTURE TRAFFIC, UH, CONDITIONS, UH, INCLUDING HEADING INTO SEDONA? NO, WE GOT, WE GOT SECOND ON THAT ONE, SO WE CAN GET TO WORK ON THAT, BUT THANKS FOR THAT.SORRY,
UH, NO WE HAVEN'T DIRECTLY, UM, COORDINATING ON THAT.
I KNOW IT'S IN PROCESS AND I KNOW THEY'RE GETTING C CERTAIN RESULTS, BUT, SO IT WOULD BE GOOD TO COMPARE NOTES.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S COMING OUTTA THAT THAT WOULD DIFFER FROM WHAT WE'RE SHOWING? THE PROJECTIONS FOR 2050 ARE FAIRLY STAGGERING IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT OF, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY GROWTH IN PHOENIX AND MORE PEOPLE COMING UP THIS WAY.
AND UH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT 2050 NOW 'CAUSE THAT'S AROUND THE CORNER WHEN IT COMES TO YEAH.
DEALING WITH THE KIND OF TRAFFIC THAT'S BEING PROJECTED.
EVERY REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN RIGHT NOW IS PROJECTING 25 YEARS OUT AND THEY'RE SHOWING SIGNIFICANT, ESPECIALLY UP NORTH.
PHOENIX GROWS, NORTH GROWS, BUT ALSO VISITORS GROW AND YEAH.
SO YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BY 2030, BUT BY 2050, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THEN IT NEEDS TO BE LIKE INCORPORATING TRANSIT, INCORPORATING MULTIMODAL AND DIFFERENT WAYS TO KINDA GET PEOPLE THROUGH IN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INTERACTION INVOLVEMENT IN TERMS OF FUNDING YEAH.
TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE VOLUMES THAT ARE BEING ANTICIPATED.
SO I WOULD HOPE MY COLLEAGUES WOULD AGREE IN, UH, ASKING THAT MAYBE THE NEXT SIM UPDATE INCLUDE, UM, A PIECE FROM THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLANNING PROCESS SO WE CAN START DIGESTING THOSE NUMBERS.
AND, YOU KNOW, SIM'S GREAT, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IN 2050 THAT THE FOLKS BACK IN 2026 PUT THEIR HEADS IN THE GROUND AND WEREN'T WILLING TO AT LEAST BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S COMING BECAUSE THAT'S USUALLY THE PERPETUAL, UH, COMPLAINT ABOUT GOVERNMENT IS, UH, NOT PLANNING FAR ENOUGH IN ADVANCE WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSPORTATION.
WE FOUND ON A LOT OF THE PLAN TO BE HERE IN 2015.
I DIDN'T SAY I WAS GONNA BE HERE.
I MEAN, I COULD BE READING ABOUT IT FROM, YOU KNOW, AFAR, WHO KNOWS.
THE NUMBERS ARE STAGGERING AND SOME OF IT IS JUST, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITIES OR AGENCIES BELIEVING THE NUMBERS AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMING AS YOU CAN SEE, YEAR OVER YEAR LEADING UP TO IT.
AND IT'S, SO MOST OF THOSE MODELS ARE, ARE PRETTY ACCURATE AND THOSE PROJECTIONS SEEM TO BE FAIRLY ACCURATE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE VIS MODELING IN PARTICULAR? I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT, I BELIEVE I HEARD JUST CONFIRM IT, THE 2030 MODEL WITH RANGER FOREST ROUNDABOUT AND THE TRANSIT LANE, ALL, ALL OF THIS, NONE OF THESE INCLUDE THE BACK EXIT FROM UCK.
AND I GUESS I WOULD JUST ADD, I THINK BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE END OF THE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION, I WOULD EXPECT THERE'S PROBABLY SOME INTEREST IN SOME DIRECTION AROUND SOME UPDATED THIS MODELING BASED ON SCENARIOS THAT WE MIGHT OUTLINE HERE IN TERMS OF WHERE TO INVEST, WHERE NOT TO, OR WHERE TO DEFER LONGER.
MOVING ON TO THE FY 27 PROJECT UPDATES, UH, SIM THREE, THE UPTOWN PARKING IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, THOSE, UH, MANY OF THOSE PROJECTS WERE, UH, DISCUSSED YESTERDAY.
UM, SAVE THE SIM THREE C UH, WAYFINDING SIGNAGE PROJECT, WHICH IS LARGELY A PART OF SIM THREE B AND SIM THREE E UH, THE PARKING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, UH, THE PARKING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WAS UPDATED, UH, BACK IN MAY.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON SIM THREE C, THE UPTOWN PARKING IMPROVEMENTS PROJECTS? I THINK WE'RE ALL QUESTIONED.
ACTUALLY, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
SO WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN FOREST ROAD YES.
ON THE RIGHT AS YOU'RE HEADED TOWARDS WEST SEDONA? YES.
IT'S ON THE RIGHT SIDE AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN, IT'S NOW OPENS SPACE.
WHAT'S THE, SO MY QUESTION IS WHAT DO WE, UH, IN OTHER WORDS, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE
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THERE, WHAT ARE THEY, ARE WE PLANTING TREES? ARE WE DOING SOMETHING? WHAT LAND DO WE OWN AND NOT OWN? SO I THINK THE QUESTION IS RELATED TO IS THERE ANY LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENT OR AESTHETIC TYPE IMPROVEMENT AT THE BOTTOM PORTION OF THE NEW CONNECTION? UM, AND THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, PART OF THE PROJECT, UH, SIM FIVE B.SO IT'D BE A, A DETAIL OF THAT PROJECT.
ANDY, THE MAYOR'S TALKING THE WHOLE WAY DOWN, ESSENTIALLY.
NOT JUST THE WORRY BOTTOM, BUT THAT FLAT PART.
YEAH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION.
IT'S A, IT'S THE PRIVATE LOT THAT'S, IS THAT FLAT THAT'S IN.
AND SO HOW MUCH OF THAT IS OWNED BY SOMEBODY ELSE? HOW MUCH OF IT IS OWNED BY US? AND WHAT IMPROVEMENTS, IF ANY, ARE YOU FAMILIAR IN THE LAND THAT'S OWNED BY US? I AM NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH THAT, ANDY.
SO IF YOU CAN PROVIDE, PROVIDES HIM.
SO AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN THE HILL, THERE'S BIG FLAT AREA OFF TO THE RIGHT.
AND, UH, AND HOW FAR IS OUR RIGHT, WHAT'S OUR RIGHT OF WAY? I BELIEVE IT'S 50 FEET THROUGH THERE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
IT'D BE 25 FEET FROM CENTER LINE OF ROAD.
AND SO WE'D HAVE, UH, 10, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I 15 FEET ON BACK THE CURB SIDE.
THERE'S DRAINAGE RUNNING THROUGH YEAH.
WE HAVE, YEAH, WE HAVE THE, THE DITCH RIGHT BEHIND IT.
AND THEN IN SOME CASES WE HAVE THE ROCKERY WALL THAT, THAT THE ROCKERY WALL ITSELF IS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THEN TYPICALLY IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT, WHEN YOU COME OFF THE ROADWAY, YOU HAVE WHAT YOU CALL THE FOUR SLOPE AND THEN THE BACK SLOPE.
THAT BACK SLOPE, JUST AS YOU GET INTO THAT A FEW FEET IS USUALLY WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS.
THAT'S JUST TY, TYPICAL RULE OF THUMB.
SO I THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT SOME IMPROVEMENTS BEING MADE THERE, BUT WAY BACK WHEN, I MEAN OH, WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, I DON'T RECALL THERE BEING, WE ARE, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD, SOME PLANTINGS THAT WERE DONE THERE.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME WORK THAT'S BEING DONE WITH DELINEATOR INSTALLATION THAT'S COMING UP IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANNED PLANTINGS OTHERWISE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THAT AREA.
THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS POTENTIAL AMENITY IMPROVEMENT ALONG THE SHARD USE PATH.
THAT'S ONE THING WE'VE IDENTIFIED THERE.
UM, WHICH WOULD BE A FUTURE IMPROVEMENT.
SO WHAT WASN'T THAT APPROVED AS A SUBDIVISION? DIDN'T WE APPROVE IT AS A OKAY.
DO WE KNOW WHAT HIS PLANS ARE FOR? I MEAN, OR IS HE STALLED OUT OR IS HE SOMETHING IN THE WORKS OR? UNFORTUNATELY, COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN THE CITY AND THAT PRIVATE PARTY HAVE NOT, UM, BEEN REAL TIGHT.
SO, UH, MY, I HAVE NOT HAD A CHECK IN WITH THEM ON, ON FUTURE PLANS AND IN QUITE SOME TIME.
UH, AS PRESENTED YESTERDAY, SIM THREE A, THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE FIRE SU SUPPRESSION SYSTEM.
WORK IS IN PROGRESS WITH AN ANTICIPATED OPENING AT THE END OF 2026 OR EARLY 27.
AND I, I ASSUME THAT THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS ON THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE AT THIS POINT, AT THIS POINT.
SIM FOUR, THE SR 1 79 IMPROVEMENTS, SCHLEY HILL TO THE Y ROUNDABOUT, UH, WE HAVE THE SIM FOUR C PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT OAK CREEK, TWO PHASES.
PHASE ONE, THE PEDESTRIAN UNDERPASS IS COMPLETE.
PHASE TWO, UH, THE MEDIAN BARRIER IMPROVEMENTS IS IN PROGRESS.
WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE DESIGNING THAT IN HOUSE WITH AN EXPECTED, UH, MOCKUP BEING COMPLETED, UM, THIS FALL.
UH, THIS FALL, UH, AT WHICH POINT, UM, THE MOCKUP WILL BE, THE MOCKUP WILL BE INSTALLED AT RANGER STATION PARK, UH, WE'LL GET BUSINESS, UH, UH, UH, I'M TERRIBLY SORRY.
UH, WE'LL GET SOME, UH, BUSINESS, UH, OWNER INPUT ON THAT, FINALIZE THE DESIGN, AND THEN INSTALL THE MEDIAN BARRIER.
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BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE INSTALLED ON, UH, UH, 89 A IN UPTOWN BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF SPACE, UH, TO INSTALL THE, THE WAVE WAVY, UH, BARRIER.UH, AND THAT'S AN A O OPERATED ROUTE.
AND THEY REQUIRE US, UH, BECAUSE OF THE TURNING MOVEMENTS THAT ARE IN THERE, UH, SITE DISTANCE.
UH, AND SO THAT THAT WALL IS TOO SOLID FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK THROUGH.
SO WE'LL END UP HAVING MORE OF WHAT IS A WIRE, WELL, LIKE A WELDED WIRE FABRIC.
WE'LL BE THE WALL LOOK, BUT OTHERWISE IT'LL SIMILARLY FOLLOW THAT DESIGN.
AND WHERE ARE WE WITH TILAK OWNERSHIP? IT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES THEY HAVE IS THE WARRANT ANALYSIS.
DO WE HAVE AN AGREED UPON PLAN FOR THE CONTINUED WARRANT ANALYSIS DATA COLLECTION? AND A, WE HAVE AN, UH, I I WILL SAY WE HAVE AN AGREED, UH, SOME DATES THAT THEY HAVE SUPPLIED FOR US THAT, UH, I HAVEN'T ANALYZED THOSE DATES TO SAY, UH, YES, NO.
UM, I WAS JUST GONNA JUMP IN AND SAY, RIGHT NOW WE'RE TARGETING WITH THEM THE SPRINGTIME YEAH.
IT'S AN ONGOING EFFORT PER THE AGREEMENT THAT IT'S NOT A ONE TIME ASSESSMENT.
IT'S, WE CONTINUE TO MAKE THAT ASSESSMENT.
AND SO THE NEXT TIME AROUND THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THAT, WE'LL BE IN THE SPRING OF 27, WHY NOT INCLUDE OCTOBER? THAT'S JUST, UM, WHERE WE'RE TARGETING THE DESIRE IS TO HIT THE PEAK THE NEXT TIME AROUND.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE PARTIES WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
SO, SO TO LOCK BACK OWNERSHIP'S OKAY.
WITH WAITING UNTIL MARCH? YES.
I WANNA GO BACK TO THE, THE BARRIER DESIGN AND THE, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE.
IF FOR, FOR PURPOSES OF PUBLIC SAFETY, IF THERE IS A PROBLEM IN A CLOSURE OF THE PEDESTRIAN UNDERPASS, HOW WILL THE, WHAT'S BEING DESIGNED THERE BE ABLE TO BE MOVABLE OR, OR REGULATED OR SOMETHING TO ALLOW, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAD SORT OF TALKED ABOUT WOULD BE A NECESSARY SAFETY FEATURE IN THERE.
UM, HOW IS THAT BEING ACCOMMODATED? SO THE, THE CROSSWALK ON 1 79 WILL STILL BE ABLE TO BE OPENED AND CLOSED PHYSICALLY UTILIZING THE, THE BARRIER WITHIN THE FENCE THAT'S BEING DESIGNED WITHIN THE FENCE THAT'S BEING DESIGNED.
THE BARRIER THAT'S BEING DESIGNED? YES.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE A PIECEMEAL FENCE.
THE PIECE OF THAT FENCE WILL BE DESIGNED IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE LIKE A, LIKE A SLIDE BACK YES.
DO WE, WE WOULD BE BUILDING SOMETHING AND WE DON'T STILL HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH TILAK.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? HAVE AN AGREEMENT.
YOU WANT ME, ME TO TAKE A CRACK AT THAT? ARE YOU, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE MEDIUM BARRIER? THE MEDIAN BARRIER? YEAH.
SO I JUST RECENTLY HAD, UH, AN INFORMAL MEETING, UM, JUST, I DON'T KNOW, 10 DAYS AGO.
AND WE DISCUSSED THE MEDIAN BARRIER AND, UM, I DID NOT HEAR ANY ISSUES FROM THEM ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF IT.
I CAN JUST,
I THINK IT'S THE PERMANENT COMPONENT TO THIS.
SO I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM OBVIOUSLY, BUT, UM, THEY'RE SATISFIED.
WE'RE CONTINUING TO PARTNER WITH THEM AND WORK THROUGH ALL THE ISSUES WITH THEM AND TRYING TO GET TO, YOU KNOW, A GOOD SPACE WITH THEM ON THAT.
BUT ANY TIME WE DO TESTING OF THE CLOSURE OR ANY OF THE PERMIT PROCESS WITH ADOT, WE DO HAVE A NOTICE REQUIREMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A FORMALITY TO HOW WE DO THAT, UH, WITH THEM THAT WE NEED TO HONOR MM-HMM
THE PLAN FOR THE, UH, MEDIAN BARRIERS TO HAVE THAT INSTALLED THIS SPRING.
AND WILL THERE STILL BE A REQUIREMENT FOR CSA TO BE THERE AT THIS POINT? YES.
THERE WOULD STILL NEED TO BE A-A-T-C-A THERE
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T TO CLOSE THE, THE, TO PHYSICALLY CLOSE THE BARRIER.WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM AT THIS POINT.
OH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS UNDER CONSIDERATION AT ONE POINT.
YES, IT WAS AT ONE POINT IT WAS, BUT IN ORDER TO, UH, GET THIS DESIGNED AND, AND INSTALLED, IT'S, IT'S NOT BEING PURSUED AT THIS POINT.
UM, WE COULD ADD THAT LATER, BUT THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION STAFF ARE GOING WITH RIGHT AT THIS POINT.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE, WELL, NEVERMIND, I'M NOT GONNA GO THERE.
SIM FOUR E, THE RANGER SR 1 79 INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, THAT PROJECT IS GOING TO INITIATE DESIGN THIS YEAR WITH AN EXPECTATION THAT WE WOULD BE, UH, READY FOR THE PROGRAM TO CONSTRUCTION IN FY 28.
WHAT WILL THAT LOOK LIKE? THAT'LL CONCEPTUALLY, AT THIS POINT, THAT LOOKS LIKE A, UH, A RIGHT TURN ONTO 1 79 WITH A, A RIGHT.
A MERGE LANE THAT WOULD THEN COME BACK INTO THE MAIN 1 79 SO THAT WE COULD HAVE IMPROVED, UH, ACCELERATION, UH, AND MERGING AND MERGING WITH TRAFFIC AT THE RANGER 1 79 INTERSECTION.
AND THAT'S ALL WITHIN A DOT RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THAT WOULD ALL BE AN INSIDE OF ADOT RIGHT OF WAY.
AND ADOT IS, UH, WE HAVE NOT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT WITH, UH, DISCUSSING WITH ADOT THE PARTICULARS OF THE DESIGN AND GETTING THE, THE ENCROACHMENT FOR THAT AT THIS POINT.
BUT THERE ARE GENERALLY AWARE OF THE PROJECT, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE YET TO INITIATE THE DESIGN.
WE DON'T HAVE A 50, 15% DESIGN CONCEPT TO SHOW ADOT TO GET COMMENT AND, AND APPROVAL FOR, FOR THE WORK.
AND IS THIS TIED UP WITH THE GRANT FUNDING OR THIS ONE'S SEPARATE? THIS ONE WOULD BE SEPARATE AT THIS POINT.
AND THE LACK OF HOCKEY'S AWARE OF THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT WILL HAVE A VISUAL IMPACT.
SO I'M JUST, I DON'T WANT TO SNEAK IT UP ON US BY SURPRISE LATER.
MIGHT AS WELL GET IT ALL OUT NOW, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, I'M SORRY, I LOST TRACK FOR A SECOND.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE TURN LANE ON 1 79 COMING OUT OF RANGER? YES.
SO THAT, THAT'S A PROJECT SCHEDULE FOR THIS YEAR, RIGHT? FOR DESIGN, RIGHT.
SO WE'RE JUST NOT AT THAT POINT OF THAT COMMUNICATION YET.
SO TYPICALLY WE'LL DEVELOP, UH, LIKE JOHN WAS INDICATING A LOW LEVEL DESIGN SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING TO SPEAK TO WHEN WE, WHEN WE MEET WITH THEM.
BUT YEAH, TO HIS POINT, I THINK YOU GUYS, WHEN YOU'RE HAVING YOUR QUARTERLY MEETINGS WITH ADOT, YOU'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THE CONCEPT.
'CAUSE I, I RECALL TALKING ABOUT IT BACK WHEN I WAS INVOLVED IN THOSE MEETINGS, YES.
BUT I ASKED IF AK WAS AWARE AS WELL.
'CAUSE THERE'LL BE A VISUAL IMPACT TO THERE.
WE'VE ALSO TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THAT PROJECT.
IT, THAT PROJECT WAS MENTIONED DURING A MEETING SPECIFICALLY THAT WE HAVE WITH OCK REPRESENTATIVE.
WHETHER THEY REMEMBER THAT OR NOT, I'M NOT SURE.
AND THEN SIM FOUR F THE Y ROUNDABOUT ADAPT SIGNALING, WHICH WE'VE TOUCHED ON BRIEFLY.
WE'RE DEVELOPING THE IGA WITH ADOT WITH CONSTRUCTION PLANNED, UH, TO BEGIN IN EARLY 2027.
THE VIDEO THAT I'M SHOWING HERE THAT SHOWS YOU WHAT THE TRANSIT PRIORITY WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHERE THE, AS THE BUS COMES INTO THE ROUNDABOUT, UH, SIGNALS FROM OTHER LEGS OF THE ROUNDABOUT, UH, ARE STOPPED SO THAT THE BUS IS GIVEN PRIORITY AS IT ENTERS IN.
THE ADAPTIVE SIGNALING WILL DO THAT FOR, UH, ANY TIME WE WANNA PREEMPT TRAFFIC TO PRIORITIZE TRAFFIC NORTHBOUND 1 79, FOR INSTANCE, WE COULD SHUT THE OTHER LEGS FROM ENTERING THE ROUNDABOUT SO THAT THE, UH, NORTHBOUND LEG COULD HAVE PRIORITY.
THIS WOULD ALSO, THE PREEMPTION ITSELF
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WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES AS WELL TO HELP THEM MORE QUICKLY GET THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT.AND THAT DATA IS COLLECTED BY, UM, SENSOR OR BY CAMERA? THERE ARE BOTH, BOTH CAMERAS AND SENSORS TO GIVE US THAT DATA.
BUT THE PREEMPTION ITSELF IS, AS LONG AS THE VEHICLE HAS A TRANSPONDER, THEY CAN PREEMPT THE, YEAH.
SO THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE SIGNAL SYSTEM IS DESIGNED FOR PREEMPTION.
IT HAS THAT, THE HARDWARE, SO WE CAN, WE GOT FOR PEAK CONGESTION TRAFFIC, BUT THEN EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND THEN TRANSIT.
AND THOSE ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO BE IN EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
AND THE BUSES AND PUBLIC CHAIRS.
AND WHEN YOU SAY CAMERAS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A DATA GOVERNANCE POLICY THAT SAYS, YES, SIR, NOTHING'S BEING SURVEILLED.
HOW ARE REGULATED THAT THEY ARE ONLY AVAILABLE? I MEAN, IS THERE A BLACK MARKET IN TRANSPONDERS OR
I'M ASKING FOR, UH, BRIAN BOLT.
THIS ISN'T, THERE'S A BLACK MARKET FOR EVERYTHING.
IF YOU NEVER LOOK, I SEEM TO RECALL, I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PROCUREMENT OF THAT, BUT I SEEM TO RECALL THAT YOU HAVE TO GET THAT THROUGH A SPECIFIC, LIKE VENDORS LIST AND THAT, UH, YOU HAVE TO SHOW CREDENTIALS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO IT'S NOT EASY TO GET AHOLD OF.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE IS A BLACK MARKET FOR THAT
UH, THIS IS JUST A, A VISUALIZATION OF WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IF YOU'RE TRAVELING DOWN SR 89, COMING INTO THE ROUNDABOUT, WHAT THE SIGNALS WILL LOOK LIKE.
THEY'LL LOOK SIMILAR TO, UH, A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
UM, THEY'LL FUNCTIONS VERY SIMILAR TO HOW THE, UH, METERING SIGNALS WORK ON THE EXPRESSWAY ENTRANCES DOWN IN THE VALLEY.
FOR SIM FIVE, THE MAJOR ROADWAY CONNECTIONS SIM FIVE A, THE PORTAL LANE TO BREWER ROAD CONNECTION, UH, IS EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE AWARE THE PROJECT'S INTENDED TO REDUCE TRAFFIC CONGESTION, ALLOWING, UH, SR 1 79, UH, BY DIRECTING VEHICLES FROM THE TILLOCK PARKING LOT TO EXIT OUT THE BREWER ROAD, UH, FOR WEST SEDONA OR UPTOWN DESTINATIONS STAFF ARE WORKING WITH TILLOCK TO FINALIZE A MUTUALLY AGREEABLE CONCEPT.
UM, WHEN WE GET THERE, AND WE ARE EXPECTING THAT WE WILL GET THERE, UH, WE'LL DEVELOP AN AGREEMENT FOR A PROPERTY EXCHANGE.
UM, AND WITH DESIGN EXPECTED TO BEGIN IN FY 28, SIM FIVE D, THE RANGER BREWER ROUNDABOUT INTERSECTION AND SIM FIVE E, THE FOREST RANGER SR 89 ROUNDABOUT INTERSECTIONS, AND THE RANGER SECTION IMPROVEMENT, UH, THOSE PROJECTS ARE, UH, DESIGNED.
THEY'RE AT ABOUT, UH, THEY'RE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UM, WE ARE WORKING ON SOME, UM, UH, MINOR SOME PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS RIGHT NOW.
COUNSEL WILL SEE, UM, AT LEAST ONE OF THEM COME FAIRLY SHORTLY.
UM, AND THE ONLY OPTIONS, OR THE ONLY OTHER ITEMS ARE SHOULD WE DECIDE TO COMBINE ALL THREE OF THESE PROJECTS TOGETHER INTO ONE LARGE PROJECT, UH, WE WOULD NEED TO GO BACK TO GET, UH, PLANS UPDATED QUANTITIES.
UM, STAFF BELIEVE THAT COMBINING THOSE THREE PROJECTS TOGETHER INTO ONE COULD AFFORD THE CITY SOME SAVINGS.
UH, SOME OF THEM WILL BE PROJECT COSTS, BUT MOSTLY THAT WOULD BE, UH, IN OUR OPINION, CONSTRUCTION COST SA OR CONSTRUCTION TIME SAVINGS AND, UM, SAVINGS OF PREVENTING, UM, UH, INTERFERENCE WITH, WITH THE PUBLIC.
SO IT'S SHOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF EFFECT OF CONSTRUCTION EFFECTS ON THE PUBLIC BY COMBINING ALL THREE OF THOSE PROJECTS.
AND A QUICK RENDERING OF WHAT THIS, THESE THREE PROJECTS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND WE'LL GET INTO THE SIM FIVE D AND SIM FIVE E FUNDING.
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OKAY.SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, FIVE D AND FIVE E, WE DID APPLY FOR A COUPLE OF GRANTS FOR THOSE, AND WE WERE UNSUCCESSFUL IN OBTAINING THOSE GRANTS.
UM, AND SO THAT LEAVES US WITH THE QUESTION OF HOW DO WE PROCEED WITH THESE, WITH THESE PROJECTS.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT AS, AS ANDREW SHOWED IN THE MODEL, UM, DOING ONE AND FOREGOING THE OTHER DOESN'T REALLY PROVIDE A GREAT BENEFIT IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC CONGESTION, AND BOTH OF THEM REALLY ARE NECESSARY TO SEE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME OPTIONS ON HOW WE COULD POTENTIALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE PROJECTS WITHOUT THAT GRANT FUNDING.
SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 27, WE HAVE A CONSTRUCTION BUDGET OF $2.7 MILLION.
UM, THAT WAS PUT IN OUR BUDGET AS LIKE A MATCHING FOR, FOR THE GRANTS THAT WE APPLIED FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL FUNDING NEEDED BASED OFF OF THE, UH, OPCS OR THE ENGINEER'S OPINION OF PROBABLE COST, UM, THAT WERE DEVELOPED FROM BETWEEN OCTOBER, 2024 AND JUNE, 2025.
SO THEY'RE NOT TOO OLD OR OUTDATED, BUT THEY PROBABLY COULD BE UPDATED.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE NEED ANOTHER $10.8 MILLION FOR, FOR THE TWO PROJECTS.
UM, AND THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO ROUNDABOUTS, SO THE, THE FIVE D AND FIVE E.
UM, SO AS STAFF WAS LOOKING AT THIS, WHAT COULD WE DO? UM, ONE THING WE COULD DO IS START CONSTRUCTION IN THE SPRING, THIS FISCAL YEAR, AND, UH, SPREAD THAT OVER TO FISCAL YEARS.
UM, WHAT THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY DO IS FORCE COUNCIL'S HAND TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THAT BUDGET IN, IN FISCAL YEAR 28, WHICH IS ALREADY PROGRAMMED IN OUR, OUR CIP, UM, FOR FUTURE YEARS.
WE COULD ALSO POSTPONE CONSTRUCTION TO FISCAL YEAR 28 OR BEYOND.
UM, WE COULD IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL GRANT OPPORTUNITIES OR PURSUE SOME BONDING FOR THAT.
UM, AND AFTER LAST NIGHT'S CONVERSATION, WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHIFT.
AND SO RATHER THAN KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT NOW, I'D LIKE TO WAIT TILL THE END TO LOOK AT THAT COMPREHENSIVELY, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL THE PROJECTS AND HOW WE'RE FUNDED AND, AND KIND OF GO FROM THERE.
BUT JUST WANNA BRING THIS, THIS UP RIGHT NOW.
SO BRIAN ALLUDED TO THIS BEFORE, AND SINCE YOU ALL HAVEN'T REALLY PRESENTED TO US ON THESE SIM PROJECTS, NEW TEAM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A CERTAIN DEGREE OF SKEPTICISM ON THE COUNCIL.
ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? OF COST ESTIMATES? NO.
WELL, SOMETHING ELSE DEFINITELY THAT, BUT, UH, NO ABOUT THE BREWER ROAD ROUNDABOUT.
SO IT'S NOT KIND OF AN AUTOMATIC GO AT THIS POINT.
CERTAINLY NOT FOR FY 27, BECAUSE I MEAN, AS OF LAST NIGHT'S CONVERSATION, AND AGAIN, ROXANNE, WE'RE GETTING AHEAD OF YOU WHERE YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE MONIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE APPROPRIATED FROM OTHER PROJECTS THERE.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE GET TO THIS CONVERSATION, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET THERE, THAT THERE'S MONEY TO GO FORWARD IN 27 FOR THIS.
SO I, I GUESS I'M, AS I SAID, I'M AHEAD OF YOU.
NO, I WAS ACTUALLY NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE FUNDING.
SEVERAL MEMBERS ON COUNCIL HAVE EXPRESSED, OH, YOU KNOW, THAT BOTH THINGS ARE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME.
COULD I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE GRANT FUNDING? DO, DID YOU GET AN INDICATION OF WHAT THE SHORTFALL WAS OR WHY YOU WEREN'T APPROVED? DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THE THIRD TIME MIGHT BE A CHARM? OR SHOULD WE JUST KIND OF NOT COUNT ON GRANT FUNDING? SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS THAT WE APPLIED FOR, BUILD GRANT FUNDING FOR, UH, SIM UH, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS SIM FIVE D OR SIM FIVE D, UM, ONE OF THE ROUNDABOUTS AND, UH, COFFEE POT, SUP, UH, WE GOT NOTICE IT WAS LAST MONTH, LIKE LAST MONTH THAT WE DID NOT GET THE AWARD, THE, UH, AWARDED THOSE GRANTS, AND WE GOT NOTIFIED LAST WEEK IF WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHY, WHICH WE HAVE, WE HAVE SAID YES, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW, UH, WE WILL NOT LIKELY HEAR BACK FOR ANOTHER, AT LEAST MONTH, AT LEAST A MONTH PERHAPS, TO, UH, GET A, A REPORT BACK AS TO WHY WE DIDN'T GET THEM.
SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY THAT IF WE
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CHANGE SOMETHING OR OTHER, THAT WE WOULD BE IN BETTER POSITION TO GET THE BUILD GRANT.UM, WE ARE GONNA LOOK INTO THAT AND IF WE CAN FIND SOMETHING THAT WOULD GET US THE A, A BETTER CASE, CERTAINLY WE WOULD LET COUNSEL KNOW AND MOVE FORWARD WITH TRYING TO DO THAT.
SO ARE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING AND THE NACOG, OR I'M NO, I, I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE BILL GRANT CONGRESSIONALLY SPEND, CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING.
UH, I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK AS TO WHY WE DID NOT GET, UH, THOSE FUNDS.
UM, AND SO, WHICH, SO WHO WAS IT THAT SAID THEY WOULD GIVE YOU A DEBRIEF THAT WAS, UH, THE FEDS ON THE BUILD GRANT, WHICH IS DIFFERENT.
WELL, I CAN GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT ON THE CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING.
WE'RE COMPETING OUR CONGRESSMAN, OUR EXISTING CONGRESSMAN DOESN'T BELIEVE IN CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING.
SO WE ARE COMPETING WITH EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE STATE FOR FUNDING THAT OUR US SENATORS HAVE.
AND AFTER HEARING ABOUT, JUST HEARING ABOUT NORTHERN ARIZONA AND LET'S SAY SEDONA, NORTH, EAST AND WEST, SO THAT THE, THAT REGION, THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE COMPETING, AND THAT'S JUST THAT REGION.
ARE LIFE AND DEATH, HEALTH AND WELFARE PROJECTS, AND THEY DON'T GET THAT MUCH MONEY.
AND SO WHEN YOU'RE COMPETING WITH THINGS THAT ARE AT THAT LEVEL, IT'S NOT LIKELY YOU'RE GONNA GET FUNDING FOR A NICE TO HAVE PROJECT, EVEN IF IT, FOR US, IT'S LIFE OR DEATH.
I MEAN, THEY'RE SERIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT WASTEWATER, ABOUT FLOOD CONTROL, ABOUT THESE BASIC PROJECTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE NO MONEY FOR.
AND THEY'RE COMPLETELY RELIANT ON OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDING.
SO IT'S, I AM AWARE THAT THE BUILD GRANTS AREN'T QUITE AS LIFE AND DEATH.
SO, SO THAT WILL BE INTERESTING TO KNOW.
WE MAY FIND THAT WE HAVE THINGS THAT WE CAN CHANGE.
WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE, UM, IMPACT OF THESE? 'CAUSE ROXANNE, YOU PHRASED IT YOURSELF JUST BEFORE THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE CRITICAL TO THE OVERALL GAIN OF IMPROVEMENT BY WHAT PERCENTAGE, ROUGHLY? I MEAN, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR EXACT NUMBERS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD PUT A PERCENTAGE ON IT MM-HMM
LIKE ON THE TOP OF MY, ON THE FLY LIKE THIS.
BUT I WOULD SAY, UM, WE'RE, THE MODEL SHOWS THAT BY 2030 WE ARE BACK AT A CONDITION THAT WAS PRESENT IN THE 2021, UH, CONDITION.
SO, AND WE'RE, IT'S ALREADY THE END OF 2026, SO WE'RE THREE YEARS AWAY FROM THAT.
UM, THE MODEL ALSO SHOWS THAT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE TWO ROUNDABOUTS, UM, ALONG WITH THE, UM, THE EXTENSION, THE RANGER EXTENSION, UH, PUTS US BACK TO A CONDITION IN 2030 TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
SO IT'S, IF WE WANNA MAINTAIN WHERE WE ARE TODAY, THESE, THESE THREE PROJECTS ARE ESSENTIAL ACCORDING TO THE MODEL.
EXCEPT WE DON'T HAVE AN UPDATED MODEL THAT INCLUDES JUST DOING A FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION AT RANGER BREWER.
IT NEEDS TO BE TO GET THERE MODELED.
I JUST, UH, CONFIRMED WITH ANDREW THAT WE COULD UPDATE THAT MODEL FROM FOUR YEARS AGO AND WE COULD BRING THAT BACK IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO HELP YOU MAKE THE DECISION.
I MEAN, WE'VE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE AUDIENCE HERE THAT'S DONE CONSIDERABLE WORK AND, UH, ARGUING THAT WITH AI CAPABILITIES, WE WOULD BE BETTER SERVED WITH A FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION.
AND I KNOW, ANDREW, YOU'VE HAD ALL OF FIVE MINUTES TO LOOK AT THAT, SO I DUNNO IF YOU WANNA WEIGH IN AT ALL AT THIS POINT.
GET MY HIGH, HIGH CHAIR OUT HERE.
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UH, CAN YOU, YOU HEAR ME OKAY? CAN I JUST PROJECT BARELY TO PROJECTI CAN PROJECT, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES.
UM, SO YES, TO REITERATE, WE DID MODEL THE TWO BACK FOUR YEARS AGO, AND WE SHOWED THAT IN THE ENTIRE SYSTEM, A SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION WILL FAIL.
AND PRIMARILY IT'S BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE COMING DOWN RANGER EXTENSION.
AND SO, UM, THE ROUNDABOUT FROM A LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDPOINT, I THINK WAS OPERATED ON A LEVEL OF SERVICE B COMPARED TO AN E AND F.
IF IT WAS A IZED INTERSECTION THAT WAS BASED ON FOUR YEARS AGO TRAFFIC NUMBER, SO WE COULD UPDATE THAT, I WOULD IMAGINE THE MODEL WOULD SHOW SIMILAR RESULTS.
AND SO I DID HAVE A CHANCE TO KIND OF LOOK THROUGH THIS, AND WE HAD PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC AGAIN FOUR YEARS AGO.
SO IT'D CERTAINLY BE AS WE WOULD GET CLOSER TO THE PROJECT COMING, WE'D BE HAPPY TO PRESENT THE PROJECT IN A, IN AN OPEN HOUSE.
THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS IN HERE ON CONSTRUCTABILITY.
THE ROUNDABOUT ITSELF WAS REFINED AND SHIFTED.
SO WE SHIFTED EVERYTHING OVER TO THE NORTHWEST FOR TWO STANDPOINTS TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY THAT'S ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
SO WE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER THROUGHOUT DESIGN, WE HAD DESIGNED A SEPARATE DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO GO NORTHBOUND ON BREWER AND NOT INTERACT WITH THE ROUNDABOUT, AND THAT'S SEPARATED BY A MEDIAN BARRIER.
WE HAD PROVIDED A SHARED USE PATH THAT EXTENDS FROM FOREST DOWN THE SOUTH SIDE OF RANGER EXTENSION.
AND YOU CROSS CLOSER TO OUR PORTAL WOULD TIE IN SO YOU WOULD, PEDESTRIANS WOULD CROSS FURTHER AWAY FROM THE ROUNDABOUT THAN WHAT'S TYPICALLY SEEN AT THE EXISTING ROUNDABOUT.
SO PEDESTRIANS, WE'VE MOVED THEM AWAY.
I RECOGNIZE THAT IN A SIGNALED CONDITION, PEDESTRIANS CAN GET, UM, A STOP CONDITION TO CROSS.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU START TO HAVE PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT.
WE HAD THE SAME ISSUE WITH THE EXISTING FOREST INTERSECTION WHERE WE ELIMINATED ONE OF THE CROSSINGS BECAUSE THOSE PEDESTRIANS TAKE GREEN TIME.
AND IF YOU'RE TRYING TO INTERMIX TRAFFIC WITH PEDESTRIANS, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT THEM CONFLICTING, BUT EACH CROSSING NEEDS GREEN TIME.
SO IT FURTHER, WHEN YOU ADD PEDS TO A SIGNAL AND THEN YOU'RE TRYING TO ALSO GET TRAFFIC THROUGH, IT STARTS TO DEGRADE THE SIGNAL.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE MODEL HAD SHOWN AT THAT TIME.
WE ALSO SHIFTED THE ROUNDABOUT TO THE WEST FROM A CONSTRUCTABILITY STANDPOINT.
SO YOU CAN STILL MAINTAIN BREWER AND RANGER BECAUSE YOU CAN BUILD HALF OF THE ROUNDABOUT COMPLETELY OFF THE ROADWAY AND THEN DETOUR TRAFFIC TO USE WHAT'S BUILT AS NEW AND THEN BUILD THE OTHER HALF.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO, THE ROUNDABOUT ITSELF IS NOT RIGHT ON THE EXISTING INTERSECTION.
WE'VE SHIFTED IT FAR ENOUGH AWAY SO YOU CAN STILL MAINTAIN THAT TRAFFIC.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE REFINEMENTS THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH OVER THE LAST, WELL, I MEAN, WE FINISHED DESIGN A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE REFINEMENTS WE WORKED THROUGH SINCE THAT PRESENTATION.
AND, AND SOME OF THE INFORMATION, THIS PACKET ARE FROM THE DC THE DESIGN DESIGN CONCEPT REPORT, WHICH HAD NOT BEEN TAKEN YET TO FINAL DESIGN.
SO A LOT OF THE THINGS IN THE, THE PACKET HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED FROM HEAD CROSSINGS.
WE'D ALREADY KINDA LOOKED AT LEVEL OF SERVICE IN TERMS OF SIGNAL AND ROUNDABOUT, AND WE REFINED IT TO LOOK AT SAFE ACCESSIBILITY FOR THOSE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND WE'VE ADDED ADDITIONAL PATHWAYS AND SIDEWALKS TO GET THROUGH ON MULTIPLE SIDES WITHOUT HAVING TO CROSS DIRECTLY AT THE ROUNDABOUT.
WE'VE MOVED THEM AWAY, UM, RECOGNIZING THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WALK ANOTHER 50 TO A HUNDRED FEET, BUT YOU WILL BE OUTSIDE OF KIND OF THE DECISION POINT AND A SAFER CROSSING WHEN YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE THE, THE PORK CHOPS THAT
SO AGAIN, WE'D BE HAPPY TO PRESENT THE UPDATES, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE REFINEMENTS THAT PERHAPS SOME OF THE DISCUSSION POINTS IN THIS ARE DCR BASED, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN IT QUITE A BIT FURTHER THAN WHAT'S IN HERE FROM, UH, OUR DESIGN.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SIM FIVE D OR SIM FIVE E AT THIS POINT? SIM SIX, THE NEIGHBORHOOD VEHICULAR CONNECTIONS.
UH, WE HAVE SIM SIX, UM, THE CHAPEL NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AS A DESIGN PROJECT TO IMPROVE INGRESS EGRESS, PARTICULARLY RELATED TO THE HIGH VISITATION TO CHAPEL OF THE HOLY CROSS CONNECTING THE EAST AND WEST, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, AND DESIGN IS EXPECTED TO, UH, INITIATE THIS HERE.
SIM EIGHT, THE ENHANCED TRANSIT SERVICE TOURISM FOCUSED SHUTTLE SERVICE, TONGUE TWISTER.
UM, PTO FOUR, THE BUS STOP IMPROVEMENTS.
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IS ON DRY CREEK ROAD TO RELOCATE THE DRY CREEK VOLT ARCH, UH, SHUTTLE STOP.UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL ALLOW THE SHUTTLE DROP OFF AND PICK UP OF PASSENGERS CLEARLY OUTSIDE OF THE VOLTE PARKING LOT ON DRY CREEK ROAD, UH, AND MITIGATE THEN THE CHANCES OF THE SHUTTLE BUS GETTING STUCK.
AND SO IM IMPROVING THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY MOVE PEOPLE AND GET BETTER USE OF THAT FACILITY.
IS THIS DRY CREEK OR THIS IS, UM, BO THIS IS NOT, THIS IS, UH, BOWRING OKAY.
IS WHAT YOU'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHICH IS THE NEXT PROJECT THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT ON THIS.
BUT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DRY DRY CREEK.
I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT DRY CREEK.
DO YOU HAVE A GRAPHIC OF THAT DRY CREEK? YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A RENDERING OF DRY CREEK.
I HAVE A PLAN OF DRY CREEK THAT, UM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEND OUT.
I DON'T HAVE, UH, ACCESS TO IT AT THIS MOMENT.
IS SEDONA FOREST SERVICE PROPERTY? NO, IT IS IN CITY OF SEDONA PROPERTY, BUT RIGHT BY THE TRAIL HEAD ENTRANCE.
A, A TRAIL TO GO DOWN TO THE TRAIL HEAD ENTRANCE.
OFF OF DRY CREEK NEAR WHERE IF YOU'RE, LIKE, YOU'RE FAMILIAR, UM, WHERE THERE IS VEHICLE PARKING RIGHT NOW OFF OF DRY CREEK ROAD, UM, THERE'S TWO TRAILS.
THERE'S A TRAIL THAT CROSSES DRY CREEK, UM, TWO FENCES, RIGHT? YEAH.
UH, SO THE BUS STOP WOULD BE ON THE EAST SIDE OF DRY CREEK TO DROP PEOPLE OFF AND THEN HEAD DOWN TO MES WHAT PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE? THE PARKING IS ON THE WEST SIDE.
THE PARKING WILL BE RE WOULD BE REMOVED, WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED, BUT THE BUS WOULD, THERE'D BE A PULL OFF FOR THE BUS TO, TO PARK WITH A SHADE STRUCTURE, UH, AND SIGNAGE.
UH, AND THEN THE BUS WOULD GO DOWN TO MEZCAL.
SO IT'S GONNA LITERALLY CROSS THE ROAD.
NO, THE BUS WOULD COME COMING NORTH ON DRY CREEK, NORTH ON, ON DRY CREEK WOULD DROP PASSENGERS OFF ON THE, UM, EAST SIDE.
OF THE ROAD WHERE THERE IS NO PARKING NOW, WHERE THERE IS NO PARKING NOW.
DROP HIKERS OFF THERE AND THEN HEAD DOWN TO MEZCAL TO PICK UP HIKERS, COME BACK TO THE UPPER, UH, RED ROCK PARKING LOT, AND THEN COME BACK DOWN AND PICK PASSENGERS THEN UP AGAIN OR DROP PAT, UH, HIKERS OFF AT THE DRY CREEK STOP.
SO THERE'LL BE, IT'S JUST, JUST A ONE-WAY PULL IN AND GO STOP.
WELL, CAN YOU JUST SAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA ELIMINATE THE PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE? WHY THE, IN ORDER TO HELP THE, TO, BECAUSE BECAUSE THE WAY THE PARKING, THIS ISN'T MAKING SENSE.
SO FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS UP BY THE TURNOFF TO 1 52 C.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GERNER TRAIL THAT CROSSES THROUGH IT'S GERNER AND CHALK WAGON.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS GONNA BE ON FOREST SERVICE LAND, BUT IN AN EASEMENT OWNED BY THE, WELL, THE ACCESS EASEMENT IS TO THE CITY.
JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION HERE.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING ABOUT THIS IS I BELIEVE YOU NEED THE SPACE WHERE THE PARKING IS NOW FOR THE PULLOUT.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND THAT'S WHY THE PARKING WOULD GO AWAY.
WE REALIGN THE ROAD BE BECAUSE THE, THE PARKING IS BASICALLY PULL IN OKAY.
PARKING AND CREATES A DANGEROUS SITUATION WITH PULLING OUT.
THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT WOULD BE TO BLOCK THAT OFF.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE FOREST SERVICE AS PART OF THE EFFORT THAT YOU'RE DOING HERE MM-HMM
WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT PARKING REMOVED.
IS THERE PARKING? NOT OUR, YEAH.
H HOW FAR ALONG IS, IS THIS IN YOUR PLANNING? WE HAVE CONCEPT DESIGN THAT WE HAVE SENT OFF TO FOREST SERVICE AND MV FOR COMMENT AND BUY-IN.
UM, AGAIN, I BELIEVE MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DISTRICT RANGER, ALEX SCHLUTER, IS THIS IS A REQUEST OF THE FOREST SERVICE ASKING US TO PARTNER WITH THEM ON HOW TO SOLVE, UM, ILLEGAL PARKING CONGESTION, DANGEROUS, UH, CROSSING ISSUES AT THAT LOCATION.
AND THEIR TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING WITH OUR TEAM TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION INVOLVING A TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE AND THE ALL KINDS OF PARTNERS, ESPECIALLY, I THINK FURTHER OUT THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH SOMETHING WITH THE COUNTY THAT'S PART OF THIS.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A FOREST SERVICE WORKING WITH US TO RESOLVE AN IDENTIFIED ISSUE AT THAT
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LOCATION.SO I'M SURE WE CAN BRING BACK MORE DETAILED INFORMATION.
AS YOU KNOW, IN OCTOBER WE HAVE THE FOREST SERVICE, THE VERDE VALLEY CYCLISTS, THE TRAIL FUND, ALL THE FRIENDS OF FOREST, THEY'RE ALL COMING TO DO, UH, SPECIAL WEDNESDAY WORK SESSION WITH YOU ON OUR PARTNERSHIPS, THE TRAILS, ALL THESE COORDINATION EFFORTS, UM, IN THE AREA.
AND SO I CAN CERTAINLY ASK THEM TO HIGHLIGHT THIS SO THAT YOU CAN GET A BETTER PLEASE AND, AND MORE QUESTIONS ANSWERED ON IT.
WHAT WOULD, WHAT JUST GOT DESCRIBED MAKE SENSE THOUGH.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN A ACTIVE USER OF THAT TRAIL CROSSING, SEEN PLENTY OF UNSAFE CONDITIONS, AND IF THERE'S GONNA BE A BUS DROPPING ON ONE SIDE AND PEOPLE BACKING OUT ACROSS IMMEDIATELY OPPOSITE YEAH.
THE, THE ONLY OTHER IMPORTANT ITEM TO THIS PROJECT IS RIGHT NOW WHAT HAPPENS IS THE BUS GOES UP TO THE TRAIL HEAD, IT GOES INTO THE PARKING LOT, AND IT GETS STUCK.
SO IN ORDER TO KEEP THAT EFFICIENTLY MOVING, THEY WANT TO HAVE THAT DROP OFF AND PICK UP OUT AT THE ROAD INSTEAD OF IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND PTO FOUR B, THE SR 1 79 AND BO STRING DRIVE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS, UH, THIS PROJECT IS WHAT'S WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN.
WE HAVE THE, UH, THE SHUTTLE BYPASS.
SO INSTEAD OF THE SHUTTLE COMING INTO THE PARKING LOT AND HAVING TO TURN AROUND, IT'S BYPASSING THE PARKING LOT ALTOGETHER.
UH, THERE'S RESTROOMS, SHADE STRUCTURE, UM, AS WELL AS REMO MODIFYING THE PARKING LOT.
INSTEAD OF HAVING A MID PARKING LOT TURN AROUND, IT'S AT THE END OF THE PARKING LOT COMING BACK AROUND.
AND WHEN THE LOT IS FULL, TCAS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO TURN TRAFFIC AROUND AT THE ENTRANCE RATHER THAN PEOPLE HAVING TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH AND TURN AROUND.
THIS PROJECT IS NEARLY COMPLETE IN ITS DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN THIS WINTER.
ANY QUESTIONS? SIM 10 SR 89 A WEST SEDONA ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS.
THE SIM 10 WEST SEDONA WEST STATE ROUTE 89 A ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS IN ADAPTIVE SIGNAL CONTROL PROJECT IS A INITIAL, UH, STUDY TO DETERMINE A FULL SCOPE OF WORK AND POSSIBLE DESIGN OPTIONS FOR, UH, INCLUDE, UH, ADDING THINGS LIKE CONTINUOUS RAISED MEDIANS, UH, LOCATING OR IDENTIFYING REDUNDANT DRIVEWAYS THAT CAN BE CLOSED TO, UH, AN IMPLEMENTATION OF ADAPTIVE TRAFFIC SIGNAL CONTROL SYSTEMS AND COMMUNICATION.
UM, AND TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC ON THE WEST.
SEDONA, UH, SR 89 A, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS INITIAL STUDY, UH, EXPECTED TO START THIS YEAR WITH, UM, POSSIBLE, UH, WORK AND OPTIONS FOR DESIGN IN FY 28.
I WOULD SUGGEST THIS PARTICULAR SIM IS GONNA NEED A COMMUNICATION STRATEGY FROM THE GET GO BECAUSE, UM, A MEDIAN DOWN 89 A IS A BIG CHANGE FOR PEOPLE AND SHUTTING OFF ANYWAY.
IT'S GONNA NEED A COMMUNICATION STRATEGY.
I, I THINK STAFF WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT ARE OPTIONS THAT ARE EVEN AVAILABLE IF THERE IS A WHOLE SUITE OF OPTIONS PRIOR TO INITIATING, UH, COMMUNICATIONS WITH, WITH THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE ARE, UH, LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY IMPROVING OR CHANGING OR HOW THIS COULD IMPACT POSITIVELY TRAFFIC FLOW AND ACCESS.
BUT I WOULD SUGGEST HAVING THEM INVOLVED TO OFFER ALTERNATIVES OR TO GIVE FEEDBACK SO THAT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S A FAOC COM PLEA.
AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO SELL IT, YOU KNOW.
AND, AND JOHN, THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION, RIGHT? SO YOU MIGHT GET A CALL FROM THE RED ROCK NEWS TOMORROW WANTING TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
SO A COMMUNICATION PLAN IS ESSENTIAL MM-HMM
AND I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SENSITIVITY TO, IF THIS PROJECT, IT EMPHASIZES TRAFFIC FLOW AND DEGRADES PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE TRYING TO CROSS THE ROAD.
THAT'S NOT GONNA ALWAYS TURN OUT WELL.
SO THE TRAFFIC CALMING THAT, THAT,
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THAT EXISTS NOW FROM WHITE BEAR NORTH THAN THAT NEW SECTION THAT WAS JUST COMPLETED IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UH, THE THREE OF THEM I THINK ON DRY CREEK ROAD THEN YEAH.ONE NEXT TO ANOTHER, NEXT TO ANOTHER INTENDING TO SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC.
BUT THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES THERE.
I MEAN, DO YOU, ARE YOU MONITORING THAT TO SEE HOW SUCCESSFUL IT IS OR ISN'T AT HOW SUCCESSFUL THE SPEED TABLES YEAH.
ARE AT KEEPING TRAFFIC AT OR BELOW THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT? I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SENT OUT, UH, SPEED COUNTERS, UM, VERY RECENTLY TODAY.
UH, AND WE'VE DONE IT IN OTHER LOCATIONS ON DRAG CREEK ROAD A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
AND WE'VE FOUND SO FAR THAT TRAFFIC SEEMS TO BE MEETING THE SPEED LIMITS THAT THEY POSTED AT THE LOCATIONS THAT WE'VE CHECKED.
BUT, UM, THE NEW LOCATION THAT WE'VE POSTED, WE DON'T HAVE ANY DATA ON THAT YET, BUT WE ARE CHECKING.
IT WOULD BE GOOD TO BRING US THAT INFORMATION AS IT BECOMES AVAILABLE TO YOU.
I MEAN, WE, THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH A A YES CITIZEN AS YOU'RE AWARE OF, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A ANOMALY OR WE CAN EXPECT MORE OF THAT.
I GUESS I WOULD JUST JUMP IN AND SAY THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR.
UM, WE'VE STARTED TO LOOK INTO IT YET, BUT I I DON'T THINK WE'VE REALLY HAVE A, A KIND OF POSITION WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AT THIS POINT.
AND, AND PART OF THAT, LOOKING AT THAT ISSUE WAS INSTALLING THOSE SPEED COUNTERS, SIM 10 A, THE DRY CREEK ROAD TRAFFIC CALMING AND SUP WHITE BEAR TWO STATE ROUTE 89 A.
UH, THIS PROJECT IS ABOUT 90% DESIGN COMPLETE, UH, WITH STAFF, UH, WORKING AT AC UH, ACQUIRING, UH, RIGHT OF WAY AND TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS.
UH, STAFF ARE COMMUNICATING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS TO ENSURE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE, UH, RIGHT OF WAY WILL CHANGE HOW BUSINESS, UH, WILL BE IMPACTED AND INCORPORATE FEEDBACK INTO THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION PLANS.
CONSTRUCTION IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN IN LATE SPRING OF 2027.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE, OH, ONE THING I DID WANNA BRING UP THE CENTEN A PROJECT WILL, IS THE FINAL PIECE OF GETTING THE SUP ON DRY CREEK ROAD TO 89 A.
BUT ANY QUESTIONS ON CENTEN? A SO IS THE SUP, IS IT JUST ON THE WEST SIDE EXTENDING IT TO OUR GREATER WIDTH? THE DESIGN AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW HAS SUP, UH, ON BOTH SIDES ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF DRY CREEK ROAD.
SO THERE IS, ISN'T THERE SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES NOW? THERE IS SIDEWALK, SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES.
WE'RE EXPANDING THAT SIDEWALK.
IS THERE ENOUGH SPACE? LET'S EXPAND ON BOTH SIDES.
HOW, HOW, HOW MUCH, UM, YEAH, THIS IS GONNA GO BEYOND YOUR, THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO AT 89 A WE HAVE THE, THE OPEN, UH, DITCH CURRENTLY MM-HMM
UH, AND THAT WILL BE FILLED IN.
AND SO WE'LL SHIFT, UH, WELL, JOHN, CAN I, YOU SURE CAN, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I, I THINK THAT THE CONCEPT FOR THIS PROJECT IS TO COME TO COUNCIL WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE READY TO, WITH A COUPLE OF OPTIONS.
AND SO THERE'S A PARTIAL BUILD AND THEN THERE'S A FULL BUILD.
THE FULL OPTION WOULD BE A SHARED USE PATH ON BOTH SIDES THAT COULD BE SCALED BACK TO SOMETHING LESS WITH A, A REDUCED SCOPE.
IS THAT STILL THE CONCEPT THAT I'M REMEMBERING? YES, WE CAN DO THAT.
AND THEN FOR THE EXISTING CONDITION, THERE ARE PORTIONS OF THIS ROUTE THAT HAVE SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF GAPS THERE TOO, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
WELL, YEAH, CURRENTLY ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE AT 89 A, THERE IS NOT SIDEWALK THAT GOES TO CONNECTS ALL THE WAY TO WHITE BEAR.
AND WHAT SIDEWALK IS THERE CONNECTS THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY? THE YES, THAT'S ON, THAT'S ON UH, DIRECT CREEK ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD NEED SHARED USE PATH WITH, ON BOTH SIDES.
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YOU SAID ABOUT BRINGING BACK FOR SOME FEEDBACK AND, AND FOR SOME UNDERSTANDING OF OPTIONS THERE.'CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T, IT SEEMS LIKE A BIT OF A, I THINK WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA WANT TO DO, AND AGAIN, I'M JUMPING IN HERE WITHOUT KNOWING THE FULL BACKGROUND RIGHT NOW, BUT JUST WITH SOME OF THE PAST HISTORY, I THINK THERE ARE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON WHAT LEVEL OF SCOPE WE GO TO MM-HMM
SO I THINK IT MAKES SENSE THAT WE COME TO COUNCIL WITH SORT OF A WORK SESSION, IF YOU WILL, LAYING OUT WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WE GET THAT DIRECTION, THEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FINAL DESIGN.
AND WELL, I SHOULD THROW OUT THERE IS ONE OTHER OPTION AS WELL, IS THAT WE BID IT OUT IN THAT WAY WITH THE OPTIONS, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE COST DATA TO HELP YOU INFORM THAT DECISION.
THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION AS WELL.
I, I THINK I'D LIKE THE DESIGN TO LEAD AND NOT THE COST TO LEAD THE DESIGN, YOU KNOW, CART AND A HORSE.
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION COLLECTIVELY.
ONCE YOU HAVE THAT WORK SESSION MM-HMM
BUT, BUT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT FILLING IN THE DRAINAGE THERE, COULD YOU I WELL, WE WERE NOT, WE ARE NOT FILLING IN THE DRAINAGE.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU PUTTING THE CULVERT, WE'RE EXTENDING CULVERT, WE'RE EXTENDING THE CULVERT THAT EXISTS UNDER THE PARKING LOT OF THE E EAST SIDE BUSINESS TO THE ADOT, UH, CULVERT.
UH, WE ARE THEN FILLING IN THAT SPACE SO THAT THEN WE HAVE A, A AREA THAT WE CAN USE FOR SUP AND AMENITIES.
WHAT'S, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE OPEN, THE DAYLIGHT DITCH IS BETTER OPTION FOR MOVING WATER.
SO THE, THE INSTALLATION OF THE CULVERT, THE CONNECTION OF THE CULVERTS, THE, OUR, THEY ARE WELL OVERSIZED FOR THE FLOW EXPECTED FLOWS GOING THROUGH.
WE HAVE A DESIGN OF A HYDRAULIC REPORT THAT LETS US KNOW THAT IF WE DO THIS, WE'RE NOT, UH, WE'RE NOT, UH, HARMING ANYTHING.
UM, AND A, A SECTION OF OPEN DITCH BETWEEN TWO, UH, CULVERTS DOESN'T HELP IMPROVE OVERALL CAPACITY TO THE DRAINAGE OF THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
WHAT SIZE OF THOSE CULVERTS? NOW? THE, I DON'T REMEMBER.
I BELIEVE THAT THE CULVERTS AT THE PARKING LOT ARE AROUND, I THINK SIX FOOT IN DIAMETER, MAYBE SEVEN.
THE CULVERT AT 89 A IS A BOX CULVERT AND I OF SIZE, I CAN'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UH, THEY ARE VERY LARGE AND WE HAVE, AGAIN, WE HAVE A DESIGN FOR, UH, CONNECTING THOSE AND INTERCEPTING THE ONSITE DRAINAGE THAT'S COMING FROM THE PARKING LOT ITSELF AND THE DRAINAGE FROM, UM, THE EAST SIDE THAT, THAT DROPS INTO THAT OPEN DITCH RIGHT NOW.
SO I, I THINK THE POINT HERE IS THAT IF WE DO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE EXISTING DRAINAGE THERE, IT WOULD BE HYDRAULICALLY MODELED TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT RISKING SOME KIND OF, UH, A DESIGN THAT WOULD DEGRADE THE, THE DRAINAGE IN ANY WAY.
AND IT ALREADY IS, IT'S BEEN DONE.
ARE YOU ABLE TO, ARE YOU ABLE TO ENHANCE THE CULVERT SYSTEM THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT POTENTIALLY, UH, TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT? UH, I CAN TELL YOU VICARIOUSLY, UH, THAT AT THE CHARTER SCHOOL, EVERY SO OFTEN THEY GET A CALL THAT SOME OF THE KIDS HAVE BEEN HANGING OUT IN THE CULVERT.
SO, UM, THE ENTRANCE TO THE CULVERTS, THAT HOLE IN SYSTEM WOULD, UM, THERE'S AN OPENING UP ON OFF OF WHITE AIR AND THEN THERE'S AN OPENING AT, UH, THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 89 A, UM, AND WE COULD INSTALL, UH, FOR INSTANCE, AN UPSTREAM TRASH GRATE.
UM, I THINK THAT YOU RUN INTO ISSUES WITH INSTALLING ANOTHER GREAT ON THE DOWNSTREAM SIDE, UM, BECAUSE IF SOMEONE WERE TO FIND THEIR WAY IN AND THEN THERE'S AN EVENT, THEN THERE, UH, ARE PROBLEMS. BUT YES, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE TO YEAH.
PLEASE JUST CONSIDER THE SAFETY ASPECT.
I'M JUST CONCERNED 'CAUSE THIS IS A MAJOR PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A BUSY STRIP OF ROAD THERE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WITH COMMERCIAL ENTITIES THAT SERVE A VARIETY, YOU'VE GOT RESTAURANTS AND YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, HEALTH RELATED YEP.
AND I MEAN THERE'S, IT'S JUST, THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THERE ON THAT SECTION.
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AND SO ARE YOU LOOKING FOR, I'M LOOKING FOR, I WANT UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING DOWN TO THE MORE DETAILS THAN YOU WANNA GIVE ME.UH, IF THERE'S ANOTHER POINTED QUESTION THAT YOU WANT TO ASK THAT I CAN AT LEAST TAKE BACK, THEN I, I'D BE HAPPY TO HEAR IT.
SIM 11, OUR BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS.
MR. HOFFMAN'S GONNA TAKE IT FROM HERE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS, MAINLY TALKING ABOUT COOKS HILL, BREWER ROAD, SHELBY TWO, DEVOTE TWO, ZANE GRAY GUN FURY AND COFFEE POT.
HERE IS A MAP, JUST A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF, UH, PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN RECENTLY COMPLETED.
AND ORANGE, YOU CAN SEE DRY CREEK RUNNING FROM THE DRY CREEK TRAILHEAD DOWN TO WHITE BEAR.
UM, ON DANTE WAS COMPLETED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO FROM THUNDER MOUNTAIN DOWN TO 89.
A, UH, SHELBY WAS COMPLETED LAST MONTH.
WE HAVE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION.
UH, LITTLE BIT, A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR PAPERWORK AND PROJECT CLOSEOUT.
UM, THE GREEN IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY PROGRAMMED OR PLANNED FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR OF CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WOULD BE COFFEE POT, UH, COFFEE POT, GOING UP TO GUN FURY.
AND, AND THE PROJECT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, WHITE BEAR DOWN TO 89 A ON DRY CREEK.
AND THEN ALSO TO THE LEFT OF THAT IS VODE, WHICH GOES FROM THE BACK OF THE, UH, CHARTER SCHOOL DOWN TO A EXISTING SIDEWALK ON VODE.
AND THEN WE HAVE GREEN THERE, WHICH IS BREWER ROAD.
AND, UH, I'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT ON MY BULLET POINT OF DETAIL.
AND IN THE, UH, MAGENTA IS THE COOKS HILL PATH.
THAT IS A FUTURE PROPOSED PATH THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT.
WHERE'S THE STATE TRUST LAND BY THE LIBRARY.
UH, EXPECTED THAT TO, IT IS, UH, IT'S AT LEAST THREE QUARTERS IF NOT ALL OF THAT ALIGNMENT IS STATE TRUST LAND, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE LINE THING THAT, THAT LITTLE GREEN SEGMENT CORRECT.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT STOPPED AND STARTED TO THE NORTH END, BUT YES.
WHAT'S THE NEXT SLIDE? SO YOU BACK UP.
ALRIGHT, SO JUST SOME BULLET POINTS, HIGH LEVEL BULLET POINTS OF EACH PROJECT.
THE FIRST ONE, COOKS HILL IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE, UH, UNITED STATES FORESTRY SERVICE.
WE'RE CURRENTLY EVALUATING A SHARED USE PATH ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF 89 A STARTING AT AMTE, WHICH WOULD BE THE EAST SIDE OF THAT LINE, FOLLOWING THE CRUSTY AND GRAND CENTRAL TRAILS.
CURRENTLY ENDING AT TWO 12 FOOT CMPS THAT RUN UNDER 89 A.
THE FOREST ROAD ROUNDABOUT WILL INFLUENCE HOW THE PATH CONTINUES AND THEN CONNECTS TO UPTOWN.
BUT AT THIS, AT THIS POINT, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT HOW IT INTERACTS WITH THE TWO 12 FOOT CMPS.
WE HAVE $50,000 FUNDED FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR IN CONCEPTUAL DESIGN.
AND WE'RE ALSO, WE'RE GOING INTO, UH, REACHING OUT TO CONSULTANTS FOR COST PROPOSALS OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
WE'RE ALSO UNDERWAY WITH COORDINATING WITH ADOT AND FORESTRY SERVICE.
UM, KEY CONSIDERATIONS AT THIS POINT IS NEPA REVIEW THE STEEP GRADES AND A DRY, A DRY WASH CROSSING IN THAT PATHWAY.
JONATHAN, YOU STARTED BY SAYING SOMETHING WAS A, A, UH, PRIORITY TWO? YES.
I THINK THAT COUNCIL WAS PRETTY CLEAR.
WE WANTED ONLY PRIORITY ONE PROJECTS DONE.
SO, UH, I I, SOME OF THE PRIORITY TWO PROJECTS DID END UP IN THE FY UH, 27 BUDGET THIS YEAR.
UM, I, AT THE END, WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT SPREADSHEET OF WHAT PROJECTS WE HAVE, I THINK A LOT OF THESE SUVS ARE SHOWN ON THERE.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
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BUT IF, IF THERE'S DIRECTION NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY PRIORITY TWO PROJECTS, WE COULD DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE 48 CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE BUDGETED THIS YEAR.AND I, UM, THE, THE LIKELIHOOD OF US GETTING ALL 40 OF EIGHT OF THOSE EXECUTED IS, IS SLIM.
THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT FOR STAFF.
THERE IS NO PRESSURE FROM COUNCIL.
I WOULD REALLY MAKE THIS CLEAR TO THE NEW TEAM.
THERE IS NO PRESSURE FROM COUNCIL TO DO MORE PROJECTS.
THE PRESSURE FROM COUNCIL IS TO DO FEWER PROJECTS AND COMPLETE THEM.
SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR SHADE STRUCTURES ON PROJECTS THAT WERE COMPLETED SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S IN OUR PRESENTATION LATER.
THE SHADE STRUCTURES, ARE THEY THE AMENITIES? I WAS, I WAS GONNA TOUCH ON THAT WITH THE COFFEE POT SHARED USE PATH, BUT THAT IS A PRIORITY TWO PROJECT.
WELL, THUNDER MOUNTAIN AS AN EXAMPLE MM-HMM
IS ONE WHERE THAT WAS COMPLETED, WHAT, THREE YEARS AGO? SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
AND WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR AMENITIES.
WE DO HAVE THAT PROGRAMMED IN OUR FY 27 BUDGET AND WITH OUR NEW, I DON'T WANNA BUTCHER HIS, HIS TITLE.
DID I GET THAT RIGHT? MM-HMM
UH, AFFILIATES, HE'LL BE RUNNING THOSE AND, AND, AND EXECUTING THOSE THIS FISCAL YEAR.
AND I ANTICIPATE THOSE WOULD BE COMPLETE BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
DOES HE REPORT INTO PUBLIC WORKS? UH, NO.
HE REPORTS TO ANDY, I BELIEVE.
YEAH, IT'S, SO IT'S TRANSPORTATION SERVICES IS THAT PROGRAM, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T PUT IN MY PLUG FOR THAT.
UM, PRIORITY TWO OF COOKS HILL IS, I THINK IS, IS UNDERSTATED.
THAT IS THE MULTIMODAL INTERCONNECTION ROUTE IN THE CITY.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN MANEUVER YOUR BIKER, YOUR PEN THROUGH ALL WEST SEDONA WITHOUT REALLY HAVING TO EXPOSE YOURSELF TOO MUCH.
BUT IF YOU WANNA TRY TO GET TO UPTOWN OR OH YEAH.
DOWN SOUTH, THAT IS THE ONLY WAY.
AND THERE'S, IT'S REALLY A, WHAT EXISTS CURRENTLY IS JUST NOT ATTRACTIVE AND NOT SAFE.
IT'S SO WHY IS THAT ONE PRIORITY TWO AND NOT A PRIORITY ONE? IT'S A QUESTION I'VE ASKED BEFORE
SO, SO CAN I JUMP IN ON THAT? AND WE CAN KIND OF THINK BACK TO WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE MATRIX AND WE WENT THROUGH BUDGETING AND THAT SORT OF THING.
IT MAY HELP TO GO THROUGH THESE IN INDIVIDUALLY, EVEN IF THEY'RE PRIORITY ONE OR PRIORITY PRIORITY TWO, JUST TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE FITTING IN THE PROGRAM COOKS HILL AND WHERE IT'S AT.
AND AS YOU EVALUATE IT THROUGH THE MATRIX, IT'S GONNA BE A LOWER LEVEL DUE TO SOME OF THE, UM, CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE WORK THAT WE'VE PROGRAMMED FOR THIS YEAR SHOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PRELIMINARY DESIGN, A STUDY KIND OF EFFORT THAT'S GETTING THAT PROJECT MOVED FORWARD.
AND ONCE THAT'S COMPLETE IT WILL ELEVATE THAT TO A PRIORITY ONE.
SO I THINK IT STILL MAKES SENSE AND EVERYTHING.
IT'S JUST AS YOU'RE EVALUATING THIS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT OR A DESIGN PROJECT AND WHICH ONE OF THOSE SHOULD BE A HIGHER PRIORITY COMPARED TO THE OTHER, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF EVALUATE WHERE IT FALLS IN THAT PRIORITY MATRIX.
I MEAN, I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS ON THE PRIORITY IS THERE IS A SIDEWALK ON 89 A RIGHT NOW.
IT'S NOT THAT THERE'S NOTHING THERE, LIKE I, I KIND OF STRUGGLE WITH WHY THE SIDEWALK.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT LEADS TO OUR PRIORITIZATION, RIGHT? AND GEE, IF THERE'S ALREADY A SIDEWALK, MAYBE IT'S NOT AS WIDE AS WE MIGHT LIKE, MAYBE IT DOESN'T HAVE SEPARATION FROM TRAVEL LANES, BUT THERE IS A SIDEWALK THERE.
SO, AND THAT IS PART OF THE MATRIX.
SO IS THAT GONNA BE A DG PATH? IT COULD BE.
BECAUSE IT IS IN FOREST SERVICE IT WOULD BE A A EITHER A DG OR SOME OTHER NATURAL SURFACE.
THE, I BELIEVE, JOHN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT PLEASE DO WHERE WE HAVE DIRECT, UH, DRAINAGE CROSSINGS, THERE MAY BE SOME HARDER SURFACE INCLUDED THERE, RIGHT? YES.
AND AGAIN, WE HAVE JUST INITIATED YEAH.
GETTING A DESIGNER ON BOARD TO GIVE US DESIGN CONCEPTS.
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TO SAY IT'S GONNA BE THIS OR THAT 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GONNA GET RECOMMENDED.AND THEN OF COURSE, EVERY YEAR DURING OUR, OUR BUDGET SEASON, 'CAUSE IT
WE, WE LOOK AT THESE PRIORITIES AND AS WE COMPLETE SOME OF THOSE PRIORITY ONE PROJECTS, THEN WE CAN KIND OF ESCALATE THE LOWER PRIORITY UP TO PRIORITY ONE AS WE SEE FIT AND REVIEW THAT WITH COUNCIL AND, AND ADJUST THINGS.
SO JUST BECAUSE IT'S A PRIORITY TO TODAY DOESN'T MEAN JUST LIKE ANDY EXPLAINED THAT IT WON'T BE A, A PRIORITY ONE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO, BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY TO REDUCE 48 PROJECTS.
YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT
SO SHALL I CONTINUE WITH THE OTHER PRIORITY TWO PATHS IN, UH, THIS LIST? OKAY, THE NEXT ONE IS SIM 11 P BREWER ROAD SHARED USE PATH.
AND THAT IS A PRIORITY ONE AND THAT'S IN THE FAR RIGHT BOTTOM CORNER.
THAT'S A 1007 700 FOOT SHARED USE PATH ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF BREWER ROAD CONNECTING THE RANGER STATION PARK WITH THE FOREST SERVICE BREWER ROAD TRAILHEAD JUST SOUTH OF JUNIPER LANE.
THAT PROJECT IS CURRENTLY BEING ADVERTISED FOR CONSTRUCTION BIDS THROUGH ADOT AND WE EXPECT TO SEE THE BID RESULTS AROUND THE END OF NOVEMBER.
UTILITY RELOCATIONS WE ANTICIPATE TO BEGIN WITHIN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS AHEAD OF THE PATH CONSTRUCTION.
AND IN THE CONSTRUCTION ITSELF IS ANTICIPATED MID-NOVEMBER OF 2026 AND WILL RUN APPROXIMATELY 80 DAYS AND THAT WOULD PUT COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION AROUND SPRING OF 2027.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAS A FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION GRANT THAT PROVIDED 122,000 FOR DESIGN AND 2.6 MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THAT TO DATE IS 166,000 FOR IGA AND MISCELLANEOUS DESIGN SERVICES.
THE NEXT ONE THAT I'M GONNA DISCUSS IS, IS, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE BEFORE I MOVE TO ANOTHER PROJECT? OKAY, THE NEXT ONE IS SIM 11 Q SHALL BE TWO.
AND THAT'S THE ONE AT THE VERY BOTTOM.
THAT PROJECT IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE AS OF JULY 30TH, EXTENDING THE EXISTING 10 FOOT WIDE CONCRETE PATH FROM SEDONA RECYCLES UP TO WHIPPET WAY.
THIS PROJECT RECEIVED $500,000 IN CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED FUNDING THROUGH NA NACO WITH $1 MILLION IN LOCAL MATCHING FUNDS.
AND THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WAS EXECUTED BY ADOT.
WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE NAP PENTE, HOA ON TREE PLANTING AND VEGETATION RESTORATION AND COM AND WE PLAN TO COMPLETE THAT PORTION BY THE END OF OCTOBER.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ONE IS SIM 11 U NODE TWO SHARED USE PATH.
THIS ONE IS CURRENTLY A PRIORITY TWO AND THAT'S THE ONE TO THE FAR LEFT.
PHASE ONE OF THIS PATH CURRENTLY RUNS FROM DRY CREEK ROAD TO UM, TO A POINT NEAR THE LIBRARY BEHIND THE SEDONA CHARTER SCHOOL.
THIS PHASE TWO WILL CONTINUE THAT PATH THROUGH THE STATE LAND AND CONNECT TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK TO THE SOUTH AT NODE DRIVE.
HEWITT SOLER IS ADDRESSING OUR 90% COMMENTS AND WE EXPECT FINAL PLANS THE END OF SEPTEMBER.
UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH UH, ARIZONA STATE LAND DEPARTMENT TO OBTAIN AN ADDITIONAL EASEMENT AND AWARD FOR CONSTRUCTION IS ANTICIPATED THE END OF OCTOBER WITH CONSTRUCTION STARTING EARLY 27 WITH PROJECT COMPLETION IN JUNE OF 27.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT ONE? ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ONE IS SIM 11 X ZANE GRAY SHARED USE PATH AND THAT'S BETWEEN GUN FURY AND POSSE GROUNDS PARK.
IT'S A PRIORITY TWO AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 1,250 FEET OF SHARED USE PATH.
THIS PORTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COFFEE POT AND GUN FURY SHARED USE PATH WOULD PROVIDE A CONNECTION FROM THE THUNDER
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MOUNTAIN TRAILHEAD TO TO SOLDIERS PAST TRAILHEAD.YOU'D THEN BE ABLE TO START FROM ONE END AND GO TO THE OTHER IF ALL OF THESE WERE IMPLEMENTED.
THE PROPOSED EAST WEST CONNECTION FOLLOWS A HEAVILY USED SOCIAL TRAIL IDENTIFIED THROUGH STRAVA DATA AND DISCUSSIONS WITH RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
COMMUNITY OUTREACH, FEASIBILITY AND DESIGN IS PLANNED IN THIS FISCAL YEAR WITH A DESIGN BUDGET OF $75,000 AND WE ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION TO START IN FISCAL YEAR 28 WITH A BUDGET OF 600,000.
A PORTION OF THAT IS SIM 11 Z GUN FURY, WHICH IS ADJACENT, THAT PROJECT'S APPROXIMATELY 900 FEET IN LENGTH AND IT RUNS GUN FURY AND LAST WAGON DRIVE CREATING THE EAST WEST PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE CONNECTION TO ZANE GRAY AND INTO POSS GROUNDS PARK.
THIS HAS ALSO BEEN IDENTIFIED AS UH, A HEAVILY USED SOCIAL TRAIL WITH THE STRAVA DATA AND DISCUSSIONS WITH RESIDENTS AND WE PLAN TO START THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIGN IN THIS FISCAL YEAR.
AND THEN A FY 28 BUDGET OF 707,000.
SO THE ONLY PROJECT THAT'S SOUTH OF 89 A IN YAVAPAI COUNTY, PART OF SEDONA IS SHELBY AND BREWER.
ANY FUTURE PLANS? FUTURE PROJECTS IN SOUTH OF THE SOUTH OF 89, WE DO HAVE PRIORITY TWOS AND THREES.
THAT ARE FARTHER OUT AND ANDY, I KNOW YOU CAN SPEAK TO GREATER DETAIL, BUT THE NORTH SIDE HAD MORE OF A, I WOULD SAY A NATURAL PATH OF CONNECTION WHEREAS THE SOUTH NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T NATURALLY COLLECT, UH, CONNECT AS EASILY MM-HMM
I'M SURE THERE'S OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.
UH, THOSE ARE ALL GOOD POINTS AND UH, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE COMPLETED PROJECTS, UH, TO THE SOUTH OF 89.
UH, BUT UH, YEAH I THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRIORITY MATRIX, THE PRIORITY ONES AND TWOS HAVE BEEN ON THE NORTH SIDE.
SO AT SOME 0.1 OF THE CRITERIA MIGHT NEED TO CHANGE ACCORDING TO COUNCIL DIRECTION THAT IF WE'RE NEEDING MORE ON THE SOUTH, THAT MIGHT BE A CRITERIA THAT GETS ADJUSTED.
AND THAT BRINGS US TO SIM 11 T COFFEE POT SHARED USE PATH.
YOU CAN STAY ON THAT ONE, THAT'S FINE.
AND THEN STAY ON THAT ONE FOR A SECOND.
UM, THIS IS CURRENTLY ANTICIPATED, UM, TO COMPLETE DESIGN IN SPRING OF 27.
I ORIGINALLY STARTED COMMUNITY OUTREACH BACK IN 2025 WITH THIS ONE.
UM, BUT WE'VE RECEIVED ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, RESIDENTS ON INPUT.
UM, THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME DRAINAGE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
JUST MULTIPLE ISSUES AND COMPLETE STREETS AMENITIES, SHADE STRUCTURES, WATER FACILITIES, BENCHES, ALL OF THAT KIND OF CAME ALONG AS THIS WAS PROGRESSING BACK IN 2025.
SO WE'VE HAD TO INCORPORATE THOSE COMMENTS INTO THE DESIGN AT THIS POINT.
UM, WE ARE ANTICIPATED TO START, UM, IN JUNE OF 27 SHOULD YOU APPROVE THE PROJECT AND THEN THAT WOULD RUN THROUGH FEBRUARY OF 2028.
ONLY A PORTION OF THIS PROJECT WAS FUNDED IN THIS FISCAL YEAR OF 2.2 MILLION.
AND ADDITIONAL FUNDING WOULD BE NEEDED TO SUPPLEMENT THE BUILD GRANT THAT WAS NOT GRANTED.
AND THAT'S GOING BACK TO, WE'LL GET DEBRIEFED ON WHY WE WEREN'T AWARDED, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING SHOULD WE DECIDE TO DO THE WHOLE PROJECT.
SO ANOTHER PORTION OF INCORPORATING THE COMMENTS WE WERE JUST ABOUT TO 90% WAS TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNSEL TO DETERMINE WHAT LEVEL OF IMPORTANCE OR WHAT PORTIONS THEY WANTED TO SEE COMPLETE.
SO I INSTRUCTED THE CONSULTANT TO DO THREE THINGS.
ONE, PROVIDE ME A DESIGN AND COST ESTIMATE THAT RUNS FROM 89 A
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ALL THE WAY UP PAST, UH, SANBORN DRIVE AND THEN WRAPS BACK DOWN TO THE SOUTH DOWN MOUNTAIN SHADOWS AND STOPS AT GUN FURY.THAT'S THE ENTIRE EXTENT, BUT I ALSO DIRECTED THEM TO MAYBE BREAK THIS INTO PHASES THAT YOU COULD CHOOSE FROM, WHICH WOULD BE 89 A TO GRASSHOPPER AND THEN A SECOND PORTION WOULD BE FROM 89 A UP TO SANBORN OR LIKE I SAID, THE ENTIRE PROJECT.
THAT WAY YOU CAN DECIDE TO PHASE ACCORDINGLY, UH, BASED ON WHATEVER PRIORITIES OR WHATEVER FUNDING YOU DIRECT.
ANY QUESTIONS WITH THAT ONE? COMMENTS ON THAT? WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE PHASING OF THAT, IT JUST MAKES ME THINK ABOUT RODEO AND HOW WE HAVE AN UNBUILT SECTION OF RODEO THAT I THINK IS A DISSERVICE.
'CAUSE THE BUILT SECTION IS ALMOST AN ATTRACTOR, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOTTA WALK DOWN THE ROAD TO GET THERE.
AND IF WE DID THE SAME THING ON COFFEE POT, I THINK IT WOULD LEAD TO THE SAME SET OF PROBLEMS. THAT'S REALLY A NOT A SMART WAY OF DOING PROJECTS.
MARKS BACK TO FINISHING SOMETHING AS OPPOSED TO STARTING ANOTHER ONE.
UH, CURRENT ENGINEER'S, UH, ESTIMATE OF PROBABLE COST FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT IS 4.5 MILLION.
SO I WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT AND THEN BREAK THAT INTO PHASES FOR PRICING.
HOW HAS THE ANDANTE PROJECT BEEN RECEIVED BY THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTS ALONG THERE? THE ONES THAT I'VE WALKED AND TALKED WITH, THEY ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT.
UM, THERE'S ALWAYS YOUR HOLDOUT OF ONE OR TWO THAT DIDN'T LIKE IT AT FEASIBILITY AND STILL DON'T LIKE IT TO THIS DAY.
BUT, UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE ONES THAT WERE MAYBE NOT AS VOCAL AT THE BEGINNING AND THEN COME TO, UH, REALIZE THAT IT IS VERY BENEFICIAL AND COME TO LIKE IT.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T GET ANY FEEDBACK THAT'S NEGATIVE ANYMORE.
I EITHER GET, UM, PEOPLE THAT JUST ARE NOT ENGAGED OR JUST VERY, VERY HAPPY WITH IT.
AND I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED AT HOW WELL IT TURNED OUT.
OKAY, SO JUST TO REITERATE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE LOOKING DIRECTION ON OKAY, WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON, UH, BOTH FUNDING AND TIMING OF THOSE THREE PROJECTS THAT, THAT DIDN'T RECEIVE THOSE GRANTS.
UM, AND, AND BOTH OF THEM WE COULD DELAY, WE COULD FUND NOW, UM, BUT THEN THAT WOULD FORCE US TO CONTINUE TO FUND THOSE NEXT YEAR.
YOU CAN'T START FUNDING IT AND NOT FINISHING IT.
UM, AND THEN FOUR FIVE D AND FIVE B, YOU KNOW, PURSUING SOME BONDS WOULD BE AN OPTION AS WELL.
SO, UM, I THINK NOW WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL, NOT THE, NOT THE ENTIRE CIP BUDGET FOR, FOR THE CITY, BUT JUST THE PUBLIC WORKS, THE STORM DRAIN AND THE SIM PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, ROXANNE, WOULD THIS BE A GOOD TIME TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC? 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME CARDS.
YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT BEFORE WE TALK MONEY.
AND WE'LL TAKE A BATHROOM BREAK PLEASE NOW.
ED, YOU'RE UP AND WELL WE DON'T HAVE CLERKS BACK.
MARCY ED HAS, HAS STARTED EARLY BEFORE SHE STARTED.
I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA AND I LIVE OFF BREWER ROAD AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS DOCUMENT I CREATED WITH THE HELP OF MY NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE UP BREWER ROAD.
AND WE HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT AND ALSO THE EXTENSION.
IF YOU PUT THE TRANSIT HUB BACK IN BEHIND THE CALDWELL BANKER, UM, BASICALLY OUR PREMISE IS YOU'RE JAMMING A HIGH PRICED SOLUTION INTO TIGHT TERRAIN THAT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY
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IMPACT THE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES LIKE PJ AND SANDY HERE.BY PUTTING THEM, UH, THE, THEY ACCESS FROM THEIR CUSTOMERS AS WELL AS CHANGING THEIR PARKING AND ALSO MAKE IT SIGNIFICANTLY HARDER FOR US TO GET OUT DURING THOSE CONSTRUCTION PERIODS IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY, IT'S HARD ENOUGH AS IS TODAY TO MAKE A LEFT TURN TO GO WESTBOUND ON 89 A OUT OF BREWER.
IT JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THINGS ARE AND IF WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH TWO ROUNDABOUTS, IT'S NOT THERE.
BUT ONE OF MY EARLY MANAGERS TOLD ME IS, ED, DON'T BRING ME PROBLEMS UNLESS YOU'RE BRINGING ME SOLUTIONS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT HERE TODAY IS SOME SOLUTION IDEAS TO HELP MAKE THIS LESS PAINFUL FOR EVERYBODY, LESS EXPENSIVE FOR THE CITY TO BUILD IT, LESS TIME INVOLVED TO GET TO A, A SOLUTION THAT PROVIDES MOST OF THE BENEFITS FOR ABOUT HALF THE PRICE AND MAKES IT SAFER FOR US WHO LIVE UP THERE.
'CAUSE BREWER ROAD IS OUR ONLY WAY OUT.
SO, UM, THIS WAS BASED AS ANDREW SAID ON THE DESIGN CONCEPT REPORT FROM APRIL, 2022.
SO SOME THINGS MAY HAVE CHANGED, BUT THE BASIC PROBLEM STILL EXISTS.
UM, WE DON'T REALLY SEE THE ROUNDABOUT AS A GREAT SOLUTION FOR THAT SMALL PIECE OF TERRAIN.
ALSO, IT'S IN A HISTORICALLY SENSITIVE AREA.
SO WE'RE, WE ARE PROVI WE WANT TO SEE IS AN INTELLIGENT, THE ADAPTIVE WORD I GUESS IS ADAPTIVE SIGNAL, FOUR-WAY SIGNAL THERE THAT'S INTEGRATED WITH THE RANGER 1 79 INTERSECTION AND THE Y AND POTENTIALLY OTHER ROUNDABOUTS SO THAT IT FLOWS WELL.
THE RIGHT NOW IT'S A THREE-WAY INTERSECTION THAT'S SERVED WITH STOP SIGNS AND FOR THE MOST PART, 90% OF THE TIME IT FLOWS WITH A FEW SECONDS DELAY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE.
BUT THE WHOLE SYSTEM IN THERE, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO REALIZE IS A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TRAFFIC SOUTHBOUND ON 1 79 GOES THROUGH ONE POINT AND THAT'S RANGER 1 79.
OKAY? AND THE, THE PROPOSAL I WOULD TAKE IS SIM FOUR TO PUT THE SLIP LANE IN THERE WILL WORK FINE, BUT ONCE THAT BACKS UP, EVERYTHING BACKS UP GOING UP TO THE Y AND IT'LL BACK UP INTO THE RANGER BREWER INTERSECTION.
SO YOU REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE SOLUTIONING IN THAT SO THAT IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT NOT ONLY THE TRAFFIC FLOW BUT ALSO OUR ACCESS COMING OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S HUNDREDS OF HOMES BACK THERE AND IN EVENT OF EMERGENCY, THAT IS OUR ONLY WAY OUT.
SO IF YOU GO TO PAGE FOUR AND FIVE AND LOOK AT THE, THE FOOTPRINTS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S 130 ISH FOOT, UH, ROUNDABOUT SITTING THERE IN A VERY CONSTRAINED SPOT.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE RECENTLY, I'D LIKE YOU TO GO DOWN TO THAT INTERSECTION AND STAND THERE AND IMAGINE 130 FOOT DIAMETER TRAFFIC CIRCLE SITTING THERE.
AND IF YOU COMPARE THAT TO THE FOOTPRINT ON PAGE FIVE OF THE THING, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S A SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER FOOTPRINT.
IF IT WAS YOU HAD ADAPTIVE SIGNALS THAT FOR THE MOST PART WERE FLASHING FOUR WAY REDS.
SO IT'S LIKE A STOP SIGN, YOU STOP, YOU GO, THERE'S A FEW SECONDS IN THE MODEL THAT WAS DONE FOR THE SIGNALED INTERSECTION BACK IN 2022.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS A STANDARD TRAFFIC.
THERE WAS NO ADAPTIVE INTELLIGENCE THERE.
IT WAS 'CAUSE THEY HAD 32ND WAIT TIMES, WHICH I'D PER CAR, WHICH I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT CAME UP, BUT I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND I DIDN'T SLEEP AT A HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS LAST NIGHT.
ONE THING ALSO I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT ON PAGE FOUR, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, HOW MUCH THAT, UH, PARKING SPACE TO THE LEFT OF THE BREWER ROAD SIGN IS BEING TAKEN UP, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE A LOT OF PARKING SPACES ALONG THAT ROAD.
OKAY? AND IT'S ALSO GONNA IMPACT PJ AND SANDY.
SOME OF THAT STUFF IS GONNA IMPACT THEIR PARKING AS WELL.
SO WE GOT PEOPLE, THIS WILL PROBABLY BE A YEAR LONG PROJECT TO BUILD THIS ROUNDABOUT.
AND BY THAT TIME A LOT OF THEIR CUSTOMERS WILL GET TIRED OF NOT BEING ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT.
AND IT'S ALSO GONNA IMPACT THAT BIKE, THE ELECTRIC BIKE SHOP, AND YOU'RE GONNA TAKE AWAY SOME OF THEIR PARKING.
SO CAN WE LOOK AT IT AS A HOLISTIC ISSUE, NOT ONLY THE CONSTRUCTION TIME, BUT ALSO WHAT'S GONNA GO ON DURING THE, UH, OPERATIONS.
IS IT REALLY GONNA IMPACT THAT? I THINK THAT A FOUR WAY ADAPTIVE SIGNAL AS A MUCH BETTER SOLUTION.
THAT'S WHAT MY NEIGHBORS THINK AS WELL.
UH, I'VE GONE THROUGH ON PAGE SIX AND SEVEN AND LOOKED AT THE DESIGN SCORING, UH, AND IT'S MADE SOME COMMENTS, SOME OF THE STUFF THAT I'M SEEING.
UH, I WOULD SAY MAYBE THE THUMB WAS ON THE SCALE A BIT TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAKING IT A LITTLE
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LEAN TOWARDS THE ROUNDABOUT SOLUTION BECAUSE, UH, YOU LOOK AT THE WEIGHTING FOR THE OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, THE HIGHEST RATED WEIGHTED SYSTEM WENT TO, UH, NOT COINCIDENTALLY TO THE ROUNDABOUT.ONE OF THE THINGS I ALSO POINT OUT IS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE ROUNDABOUT WAS WE WANT TO TURN AROUND THE TRANSIT BUS IS COMING DOWN, UH, THE RANGER ROAD EXTENSION, THE TRANSIT HUB IS GONNA BE BACK THERE, TURN IT AROUND IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROUNDABOUT THAT MAKES THE 0 CENTS.
WHY WOULD YOU ADD TRAFFIC? IS THAT MY THREE MINUTES OR MY SIX? OKAY.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE, AND I'D LIKE YOU TO READ THE REST OF THIS, IS A SIGNALED UH, TRAFFIC SOLUTION IS A MUCH BETTER SOLUTION BASED ON FINANCES AS WELL AS OPERATIONAL EFFECTIVENESS.
THANK YOU ED KIM, AND THEN, UH, PJ.
HI, MY NAME'S KIM GRILL AND I'VE LIVED IN THE VERDE VALLEY FOR 22 YEARS.
CAN CAN YOU MOVE THE MIC SO WE COULD HEAR YOU? I'VE LIVED IN THE VERDE VALLEY FOR 23 YEARS IN SEDONA FOR 12 AND I CURRENTLY LIVE OFF CANYON BOULEVARD DRIVE, SORRY.
I HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE INTERSECTION FROM NORTH, THE GATEWAY BETWEEN NORTH AND SOUTH TILLOCK.
EVERY DAY I TRY AND CONSOLIDATE ALL MY ERRANDS, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S TWICE A DAY, WHICH MEANS FOUR TIMES GOING BACK AND FORTH HOME.
THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM,
MR. IVERS AND I HAVE BEEN GOING BACK ON EMAIL AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS, BUT WHAT I'M HEARING
ALL I'M ASKING THE CITY FOR IS A SIT DOWN WITH THE POWERS THAT BE WHO CAN MAKE THIS DECISION.
SOME LOCAL RESIDENTS, MAYBE SOME TOURISTS.
I CAN TELL YOU I WAS UP AT A CONVENTION IN FLAGSTAFF AND WE JUST GOT TO TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS.
HE SAID, OH, YOU LIVE IN SEDONA.
OH MY GOD, IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL THERE.
THE TRAFFIC, I MEAN IT'S, THIS IS A VERY EASY FIX.
JUST CLOSE THE CROSSWALK AND TRAIN THE PEOPLE TO USE THE LOVELY, LOVELY INNER PA UNDERPASS THAT WE BUILT.
PLEASE DON'T KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD TO TALKING WITH TILAK IN SPRING OF NEXT YEAR.
I'VE BEEN TALKING FOR MONTHS
PLEASE, PLEASE HAVE A SIT DOWN WITH TO LOCK OF POCKET.
THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S HURTING THEIR BUSINESS WHEN PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR AN HOUR WHEN THEY GET OFF THE INTERSTATE.
THE LAST THING I WILL SAY, THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE.
I CAN TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT I'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THERE AND A PERSON WITHOUT REALLY LOOKING JUST STEPS OFF THE CURB.
THAT'S, THAT'S AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.
PLEASE DON'T WAIT TILL THERE'S A FATALITY.
WE BUILT THAT WONDERFUL UNDERPASS FOR A REASON TO, TO EXPEDIATE TRAFFIC.
IF IF THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A FATALITY, THERE MIGHT BE JUST THE FENDER BENDERS AND THEN THERE GOES YOUR TRAFFIC.
SO I'VE TALKED TO ADOT ABOUT THIS.
MR. IBERS KNOWS I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION.
THE PEOPLE THAT WE NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH ARE THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT CAN MAKE THIS DECISION IN THIS ROOM.
AND THE TILAK DEVELOPERS PLEASE MAKE THAT HAPPEN BEFORE NEXT SPRING.
SO KIM, UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE MEETING NEXT SPRING IS NOT TO TALK ABOUT THE CROSSWALK, IT'S TO TALK ABOUT A DIFFERENT PROJECT.
I UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WAS FOR THE, THE WALL, BUT THAT PART OF IT WAS ALSO TO GET BUY-IN TO TO WHEN THE WALL WAS GONNA BE, THE GATE WAS GONNA BE CLOSED OR OPEN.
NO, THERE IS A AGREEMENT BETWEEN ADOT TILAK AND THE CITY SINCE FOR HOW MANY YEARS? SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, YEAH, SEVERAL FOR, FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
WHICH OUTLINES AND AND YOU CAN GET A COPY OF IT WHICH OUTLINES THE RESTRICTIONS ABOUT THE CROSSWALK AND HOW IT'S TO BE MONITORED AND WHEN IT CAN BE CLOSED AND OPENED.
WHEN WE HAVE THAT SIT DOWN, CAN WE HAVE IT WITH A TWO BECAUSE YEAH.
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MR. IVERS IS, HE HEARD ME.I CALLED ADOT AN INORDINATE NUMBER OF TIMES UNTIL THEY CALLED ME BACK.
AND SUPPOSEDLY THEY CLAIM I, I HAVE THE TAPED RECORDING THAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY OF WHEN THAT IS CLOSED AND OPEN, THEY WALKED AWAY FROM THAT.
THE TI THAT THE MOMENT THAT THE UNDERPASS WAS BUILT, THEY HAVE NO SAY IN THAT.
THEY GAVE ME YOUR GENTLEMAN'S PHONE NUMBER.
THEY SAID THIS IS THE PEOPLE THAT YOU NEED TO TALK TO.
CAN WE HAVE A COPY OF THAT TAPE PLEASE? OR NOT RIGHT THIS MINUTE.
YEAH, BUT IF YOU CAN DROP OFF A COFFEE, I'M REALLY CURIOUS WHO IT A ON YEAH, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE OFFICIAL POSITION.
I MEAN MAYBE THAT WAS THEIR POSITION WHEN YOU MADE THE AGREEMENT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO.
BUT THEY'RE TELLING ME IT'S NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
IT'S THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY.
AND LET'S BE REALLY HONEST, WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW.
YOU HAVE TO AGREE CLOSING THAT AND NOT HAVING PEOPLE STEP OFF THE CURB EVERY TWO OR THREE MINUTES AND HAVING TRAFFIC STOP.
THAT'S GOT TO IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC.
CAN YOU MAKE SURE THAT KIM GETS A COPY OF IT? OKAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD TALK TO ADOT ABOUT THIS AGREEMENT THAT THERE IS SIGNATURE TO OKAY.
SO MORE CONVERSATION TO BE HAD.
CAN, CAN WE AT LEAST SET UP A SIT DOWN WITH THE DEVELOPERS OF TILL TO FIND OUT WHY THEY DON'T WANT IT CLOSED? OH, WE KNOW THAT
THE, THE BUSINESSES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TEAK ARE, FEEL THAT THEY ARE DEPENDENT ON CROSSOVER TRAFFIC FROM THE MAIN TILL LAAK DIVISION.
AND THAT HAVING TO GO DOWN TO USE THE CROCK WALK THE CROSSWALK IS A DISCOURAGEMENT TO CROSSING OVER TO NORTH TILL LAAK.
AND THOSE BUSINESSES FEEL THAT THEY HAVE AN ECONOMIC WILL HAVE AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP IF THAT THERE'S NOT EASY ACCESS BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES OF AKAKA P OKAY.
YOU DO REALIZE THAT WHEN WE WERE IN A FIVE HOUR MEETING FOR THE LAST MEETING FOR THE PARKING GARAGE, THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WE HEARD WAS ALL OF THEIR, EVERY SINGLE SHOP OWNER THAT GOT UP AND SPOKE SAID THE EXACT SAME THING.
MY CUSTOMERS ARE FRUSTRATED, MY CUSTOMERS ARE ANGRY 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T FIND PARKING.
AND I THINK THAT WAS THE FINAL IMPETUS FOR US TO DO THIS PARKING GARAGE.
THE SAME THING IS HAPPENING AND THE DEVELOPERS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S WHOLE COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T GO OUT.
THEY WILL NOT DRIVE MY, MY DEVELOPMENT.
NOBODY GOES OUTTA THEIR HOUSE FROM NOVEMBER UNTIL APRIL.
IF THEY HAVE TO GO SHOPPING, THEY GO ON A TUESDAY.
IT'S JUST THE DEVELOPERS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT BY NOT FACILITATING THE MOVING OF TRAFFIC, THEY ARE FRUSTRATING THEIR POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS.
AND I THINK IF, IF SOME OF THE PEOPLE, THE FOLKS THAT ARE MOST INVOLVED WITH THIS WOULD SIT DOWN WITH THEM.
THEY COULD UNDERSTAND AND THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD SEE IT.
THAT IS AS IT, AS AN ASSET TO THEM, IF THEY WOULD HAVE LESS FRUSTRATED CUSTOMERS.
AND ONCE AGAIN, THE FINAL THING IS PEOPLE JUST STEPPING OUT ONTO THE CURB IS GOING TO BE AN ACCIDENT.
SO MANY CLOSE CALLS IN THE PAST 10, 12 YEARS.
HI, MY NAME IS PJ MILANI FROM SEDONA.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I LIKE TO SAY I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT ED LER SAID.
IT'S A PRETTY INTELLIGENT GUY AND NOT KNOWN HIM TOO LONG, BUT FROM WHAT HE SPEAKS SECOND, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY IN THE COUNCIL AND INCLUDING THE MAYOR FOR THE WAY THEY'RE THINKING RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT WHAT WE SAID LAST TIME, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN FOR US.
I THINK EVERYONE'S WHO WANTED TO SPEAK HAS SPOKEN.
CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND COME BACK TO YOU, ROXANNE.
IF YOU WANNA PULL UP THAT SPREADSHEET, JOHN.
SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT, OUT OF OUR, OUR 48 PROJECTS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, MANY
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OF THEM ARE FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS, PARKS, PD, UH, COURT.WE DID NOT, UH, INCLUDE THOSE IN THIS EVALUATION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA TELL OTHER DEPARTMENTS THEY CAN'T DO, DO PROJECTS FOR, FOR A PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT.
BUT, UH, WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK A LOOK AT, UM, ALL OF THE PRIORITY ONE AND PRIORITY TWO, UH, BUDGETED PROJECTS FOR PUBLIC WORKS, STORM DRAIN AND SIM.
UM, I DID NOT THINK THAT WE COULD INCLUDE WASTEWATER BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK WE COULD BORROW FUNDS FROM THE ENTERPRISE TO THE, UM, GENERAL FUND, BUT BARBARA CORRECTED ME AND SAID THAT WE, THERE IS A WAY TO DO THAT.
SO THERE ARE TWO, TWO CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR WASTEWATER THAT ARE GOING TO BE DELAYED.
WE JUST WON'T BE ABLE TO GET TO 'EM THIS YEAR.
UM, AND SO THERE'S SOME FUNDING THERE THAT WE COULD ALSO EVALUATE, UM, IN MORE DETAIL IF YOU WANT US TO COME BACK WITH THIS EVALUATION, UM, IN ORDER TO FUND THE, THE $2.1 MILLION THAT'S NEEDED FOR SIM 3D, WHICH IS THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION WITH THE WATERLINE.
SO, UM, IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, WE, WE SUBTOTALED EVERY TYPE OF PROJECT, BUT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF OUR, UM, PRIORITY ONE PROJECTS THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE HAVE ABOUT $6.4 MILLION, UM, IN PROJECTS THAT ARE, ARE CATEGORIZED AS PRIORITY ONE TO BE COMPLETE.
UM, A COUPLE OF THOSE ARE, ARE MULTI-YEAR PROJECTS AND WE'LL BLEED OVER INTO FISCAL YEAR 28.
UM, AND THEN IF YOU SCROLL DOWN, WE TOTALED UP OUR FISCAL YEAR PRIORITY TWO PROJECTS, WHICH TOTAL ABOUT $6 MILLION AS WELL.
LOOKING AT A GRAND TOTAL OF $12.6 MILLION FOR A VARIETY OF PROJECTS IN THOSE CATEGORIES THAT, UM, WE FELT WE COULD PROBABLY BORROW FROM, UM, TO, TO FUND, UH, SIM 3D.
BUT THE ONES THAT WE HIGHLIGHTED ARE THE ONES THAT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD COMPLETE ON TIME THIS YEAR.
UM, IT, AND IT WOULD BE NOT A HARDSHIP TO DEFER THESE PROJECTS.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE CITY HALL WINDOW AND DOOR REPLACEMENT.
AS YOU KNOW, THAT ONE'S BEEN DEFERRED AGAIN OR PREVIOUSLY.
UM, THERE'S LONG LEAD ITEMS. WE'RE WORKING ON A, A REVISED SCOPE OF WORK.
UM, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE A BIG DEAL TO JUST DEFER THAT OUT TO, UM, FISCAL YEAR 28 BECAUSE WE DID, WHICH I THINK I MISSED IT IN THIS SPREADSHEET HERE.
BUT, UM, THERE'S 5 96 BUDGETED THIS YEAR AND 5 96 BUDGETED NEXT YEAR.
SO WE COULD REALLY BUTTON DOWN OUR SCOPE OF WORK, SEE WHAT WE COULD COMPLETE FOR THAT BUDGET, UM, AND, AND HAVE SOMETHING MORE SOLID FOR NEXT YEAR.
UM, SIM FIVE D AND FIVE E THAT WAS MENTIONED LAST NIGHT ON DEFERRING THOSE BECAUSE WE DID NOT GET THE, UH, THE GRANT FUNDING AND THEN PUSHING THAT OUT INTO FY 28.
UM, THE OTHER ONE IS THE, THE WHITE BEAR TO 89 A PROJECT, UH, THE SUP ON DRY CREEK ROAD.
AGAIN, THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL ON ON HOW THAT WILL MOVE FORWARD.
AND UM, AND THEN LAST WOULD BE SIM 11 T FOR THE COFFEE POT SUP, UM, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET THAT GRANT, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO COMPLETE THAT.
AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO PHASE THAT, DEFER IT, HOW WE WANNA APPROACH THAT PROJECT IS YET TO BE DETERMINED AS WELL.
SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED APPROXIMATELY $6.9 MILLION THAT WE COULD USE, UM, FROM THOSE 1, 2, 3, 5, 5 PROJECTS, UM, TO FUND SIM 3D.
AND, UM, WE JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
WE, WE DON'T NEED TO COME TO A DECISION TODAY.
NOT HAVING AN ANSWER TODAY WOULD NOT DELAY THE COMPLETION OF OF SIM 3D.
ROXANNE, ISN'T THERE A COMPONENT TO THIS AS WELL THAT CONSIDERS YOUR STAFF TIMING AND LOADING AND THAT SORT OF THING? YEAH.
SO OUR, AS I MENTIONED WITH THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS WE HAVE ON OUR PLATE THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE'RE NOT GOING TO COMPLETE, UM, ALL OF OUR PROJECTS.
UH, WE FELT LIKE THESE WERE THE ONES WITH THE LARGEST BUDGET THAT WOULD HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT TO BE ABLE TO FUND THAT OTHER PROJECT.
UM, SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE CHAPEL NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTION, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF EFFORT RELATED TO THAT.
IT'S ONLY $50,000 THIS FISCAL YEAR.
UM, AND IT WOULDN'T REALLY PROVIDE MUCH BENEFIT TO CHIP AWAY AT THAT DEFICIT FOR SIM 3D.
SO THESE WERE THE FIVE THAT WE IDENTIFIED.
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OKAY.BUT HOW MUCH ARE WE, REMIND ME, HOW MUCH ARE WE NEEDING TO COME UP WITH? 'CAUSE IT'S LIKE 3.7 MILLION AND HOW MUCH IS, I MEAN, AREN'T WE TAKING FROM THE FRANCHISE FEE? YEAH.
FOR THE BIG CHUNK OF IT, THE GAP WE WERE TRYING TO COVER WAS 2.1 MILLION.
RIGHT? WHY IS IT STILL THAT MUCH? I THOUGHT AREN'T THE FRANCHISE FEES? SO WE PULL UP THE PACKET FROM LAST SECOND.
WELL, NO, THIS IS EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY.
SO FROM A FUNDING STANDPOINT, WE HAVE FUNDING FROM THE FRANCHISE FEES AND, UM, OH, THE, UH, THE BOND PROCEEDS.
SO, UM, I'M LOOKING AT, YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT SPENDING AUTHORITY.
FOR PREPARATION FOR LAST NIGHT, VICE MAYOR, UM, I DID ASK BARBARA TO BE PREPARED IN CASE WE GOT INTO DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT LIKE, WHAT, HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE NEED TO MOVE AROUND? UM, SO DID YOU HAVE STILL FROM LAST NIGHT'S MEETING FOR THAT WATERLINE PROJECT FOR THE EAST FOREST ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, DIDN'T WE HAVE AN OUTLINE OF WHAT WE NEEDED TO MOVE OUT OF OTHER CIP PROJECTS VERSUS USING THE FRANCHISE FEES, ET CETERA? IS IT UP? SO WE PULLED THIS UP FROM YESTERDAY'S PRESENTATION.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE SEPARATING EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY FROM, SORRY, FROM, UM, OUR FUNDING SOURCES, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE JUST TALK ABOUT EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY, WE, WHAT YOU WANT TO CONSIDER IS FROM THAT 3.74 MILLION, YOU TAKE OUT THE 1.6 THAT WAS ALREADY BUDGETED.
I FEEL LIKE I'M NOT TALKING INTO THE MICROPHONE.
UM, THREE POINT WELL, SO IT WOULD BE TWO POINT NO SAY RIGHT ON THE 3.74 MINUS 1.62 POINT.
THE 3.2 THOUGH IS NOT THE SUB TOTAL.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE AVAILABLE FUNDING SOURCES.
SO IF YOU TAKE 1.6, I CAN SPEAK TO IT, ANDY, FROM 0.74, YOU'RE AT THE 2.1.
THE 3.2 IS THE SIM FIVE, UH, D AND E WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR, RIGHT? NO, SO THE FUNDING, THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING SOURCES COMES FROM THIS SECTION OVER HERE WHERE, UM, WE HAD THE EXISTING BOND AND THE ACCUMULATED ACCUMULATED FRANCHISE FEES.
I'M SORRY, I'M LIKE CONTORTED HERE.
SO THAT ADDED TOGETHER AS YOUR 3.2.
BUT LAST NIGHT BARBARA SAID WE COULDN'T SPEND THAT FRANCHISE FEE IN THIS YEAR.
SO THERE THE FY 28 VERSUS FI 27 CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
BUT JUST REMEMBER RIGHT NOW FOR WHAT ROXANNE'S LOOKING AT, IT'S JUST THAT EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO COVER.
SO I THINK THE CONFUSION IS, OR THE REMINDER IS THAT IN THE FY 27 WE NEED $2.1 MILLION, BUT BECAUSE OF THE STATE'S BUDGET LAW RESTRICTIONS, WE WOULD USE FUNDING FROM CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ROXANNE IS IDENTIFYING FOR YOU NOW.
AND THEN WHEN WE DO THE FY 28 BUDGET PROCESS, WE WOULD REPAY THOSE PROJECTS USING THE FRANCHISE FEES AND ALL OF THAT TO REPAY.
IT'S BASICALLY LIKE A LITTLE LOAN, INTERNAL LOAN OUT OF THE CAPITAL FUND.
THEN IF WE GO BACK TO ROXANNE'S LAST PAGE, OH, IT'S NOT IN HERE.
UH, CAN YOU PULL UP YOUR OTHER YEAH, I'M ALMOST FAST ENOUGH.
IS WE NEED 2.1 OUT OF THAT 6.9, RIGHT? YEAH, EXACTLY.
NOW, I DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE THINGS, BUT I DO THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE, UH, THIS ALTERNATIVE WHICH WHICH COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE, UH, ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS.
IF WE DELAY THAT PROJECT, WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT ALTERNATIVES.
AND, UH, I I HEARD EARLIER THAT YOU'D LIKE US TO COME BACK WITH THAT MODEL MM-HMM
FOR A FOUR-WAY, UH, UH, SIGNAL INTERSECTION.
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DON'T THINK THAT THAT WILL TAKE VERY LONG SINCE WE'VE ALREADY MODELED THAT.IT WOULD JUST BE RECALIBRATING IT WITH CURRENT TRAFFIC COUNTS AND WHATNOT.
AND WOULDN'T YOU ALSO INCLUDE THE PORTAL LANE EXTENSION THIS TIME AND THE MODEL? YEP.
AND CAN'T WE COME UP WITH SOME ESTIMATE OF THE ADAPTIVE SIGNAL BENEFIT? YEAH, WE CAN, I MEAN WE CAN SHOW ALL OF IT.
WE WERE JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THIS PRESENTATION WAS KIND OF THE MAJOR PROJECTS.
WE, WE, WE'VE MODELED ALL OF THOSE IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR PERFORMANCE.
AND THE, THE OTHER THING THAT'S HANGING OUT THERE THAT ED BROUGHT UP IS THE HUB, WHATEVER WE CHANGE THE NAME TO, YOU KNOW, THE TRANSIT EXCHANGE.
THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IN COUPLE OF YEARS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO THAT, THAT'LL BE A HOT TOPIC THAT GUILLERMO WILL GET TASKED WITH NOW.
BUT WHERE IS IT EVEN IN THE PLAN? SO, SO AS A REMINDER, UM, THE INTENT OF THAT HUB EXCHANGE WAS FROM THE TRANS, UH, TRANSIT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN WAS TO EVENTUALLY CONNECT FIXED ROUTES THAT WE WOULD IMPLEMENT.
SO THAT WAS SOMEONE'S ABILITY TO COME INTO THE TRANSIT SYSTEM AND CHANGE FROM ONE ROUTE TO ANOTHER.
WHAT WAS ALWAYS CONTEMPLATED WAS THAT WHEN WE DID THE TRANSPORTATION IMP, UM, I'M SORRY, THE TRANSIT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN WAS THAT THE CONNECT SERVICE WAS STILL A NEW CONCEPT AND THAT IF THAT WERE EFFECTIVE, IT COULD POTENTIALLY REPLACE THE NEED FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT CONNECTOR FROM ONE SYSTEM TO THE OTHER.
YOU COULD SIMPLY DO THAT THROUGH THE CONNECT SYSTEM.
SO YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD COME OFF A FIXED ROUTE, GET ON THE CONNECT AND GO TO THE OTHER FIXED ROUTE, RIGHT? THAT ANALYSIS IS STILL NEEDING TO BE SHARED WITH COUNSEL.
I, IT'S NOT CONCLUDED AT THIS POINT, BUT THAT'S PART OF WHAT GUILLERMO AND HIS TEAM WILL BE LOOKING AT IS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO NOT ACTUALLY NEED THE TRANSIT HUB AND THAT SPACE COULD BE USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE IF THAT'S THE CASE, UM, I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A TANGENT, BUT I I DON'T WANT TO MISS MAKING THE POINT THAT STILL SOME OF THOSE PREEMPTION AND NEW TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS, EVEN IF THE TRANSIT HUB IS NOT THERE, ARE STILL NEEDED FOR THE TRAN THE TRANSIT SYSTEM.
SO, BUT TO YOUR DIRECT POINT, THE TRANSIT HUB MAY NOT BE NEEDED.
ED, ARE YOU HEARING THIS PART OF IT SO THAT THAT PROPERTY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED FOR A TRANSIT HUB HAS BEEN RETHOUGHT AND IS NOT YET BEEN DECIDED ACTUALLY WHETHER IT'S NEEDED OR NOT? CORRECT.
AND AN ANALYSIS WILL BE COMING AT SOME POINT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF ON, IT'S BEEN ON HOLD FOR QUITE A WHILE.
BUT ALSO THE AMO NEEDS TO DO IS NOT DESIGN A TRANSIT THAT REQUIRES A ROUNDABOUT BURN FOR ROUNDABOUT TO GET OUT.
THAT'S BAD TRANSIT DESIGN DOES NOT.
BAD TRANSIT DESIGN DOES NOT JUSTIFY HAVING A ROUNDABOUT THAT SPOT.
I'M NOT SURE THAT IT HAD ANYTHING THAT THEY WERE CONNECTED.
THAT PLAN IS ONE OF THE JUSTIFICATIONS FOR HAVING THAT ROUNDABOUT.
NO, IT IS AND THERE'S, THERE'S A REASON FOR IT BECAUSE IF WE REALLY WANT TO DIVE INTO IT, THE HUB ITSELF WAS SET UP SO THAT WHEN YOU COME FROM THEM AND O FACILITY SLIP OFF FOREST TO GO ON RANGER EXTENSION AND WE HAVE FIVE SAWTOOTH PICKUPS RIGHT ALONG THE EXTENSION, THEN YOU DON'T NEED TO ACTUALLY CIRCULATE THE SITE WASN'T BIG ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY, YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY LOAD ON THE RANGER EXTENSION AND THEN THE ROUTE, SOME OF THE ROUTES ARE GOING BACK WEST RATHER THAN HIT A SIGNALED INTERSECTION.
WE DESIGNED THAT ROUNDABOUT SO THAT THE TRANSIT NEEDS KIND OF GO BACK OUT THERE.
SO THERE'S REASON FOR IT, BUT IF YOU DON'T NEED A TRANSIT HUB, WELL IT WOULD CHANGE SOME OF THOSE RESULTS.
BUT I, I THINK WE DON'T WANT TO FORGET THE FACT THAT TOO, THIS IS THE HEART OF NOT ONLY SEDONA BUT OUR CONGESTED SYSTEM.
AND WE NEED TRANSIT TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE EFFICIENTLY THROUGH THAT AREA TO, FOR IT TO BE EFFECTIVE.
AND SO REGARDLESS OF THE TRANSIT HUB, THE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE EFFICIENT TRANSIT ACCESS, UM, IS STILL NEEDED.
SO WHERE DO YOU HAVE A FREE SOLUTION? IT'S CALLED YOU TURN AROUND AND GRAND, YOUR PARK ALREADY COST YOU $0.
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OKAY.THOSE ARE APPLES AND ORANGES AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO TALK TO THAT.
WELL, WHEN WE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS AS AN ALTERNATIVE, LET'S LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING AND YOU CAN GIVE YOUR PROS AND CONS.
YEAH, I MEAN WE'RE GONNA RERUN IT.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA, I WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME RESULTS, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION SINCE THAT'S SUCH AN UNKNOWN.
I MEAN, IT REALLY HAS TO COME.
WE NEED, WE NEED THIS ANALYZED AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE COMPARISONS IF WE COULD GET BACK TO THE FUNDING FOR A MOMENT OUT OF THESE EXISTING AND NOT TOUCH THAT BECAUSE IT IS TOO MUCH OF AN UNKNOWN AT THE MOMENT.
EITHER WAY, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SURPLUS SOMEWHERE ANYWAY THAT WILL EITHER ADD TO IT OR DETRACT FROM IT.
BUT WE HAVE ENOUGH HERE TO WORK FROM IF WE CAN WORK WITHIN THIS SCOPE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM
BUT WHILE WE'RE DOING A SIM UPDATE, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS TEAM UNDERSTANDS WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM AND IF THAT HELPS YOU MAKE A DECISION ON WHERE TO PULL THAT MONEY FROM AND WHAT PROJECTS TO DEFER CORRECT.
THEN IT'S OKAY TO WAIT TO MAKE THAT DECISION TILL WE COME BACK WITH THIS INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE REQUESTED.
I DON'T LIKE LEAVING THE LOOSE END FROM LAST NIGHT OF NOT KNOWING WHERE THE FUNDING'S COMING FROM.
SO THAT'S SORT OF, THERE'S WELL, I THINK MY OWN INTERNAL PRESSURE TO, TO DEAL WITH THIS.
DO YOU HAVE YOUR IDEA WHERE YOU'D GET 2.1? I HAVE SOME IDEAS.
I WOULD PULL PW ZERO SIX AND SIM 10 A AND THAT GETS YOU RIGHT AT THAT 2.1 MILLION.
AND MY ARGUMENT WOULD BE WE'VE KICKED THE CAN DOWN THE CURB ON PW ZERO SIX PLENTY OF TIMES.
AND THERE IS SIDEWALK ON DRY CREEK ROAD IN THE AREA CONTEMPLATED FOR SIM 10 A.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THERE ISN'T ACTUAL CONNECTIVITY.
WHY, WHY WOULD YOU NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF SIM FIVE D AND E? BECAUSE WE MIGHT CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT WE MIGHT NOT.
BUT, BUT EVEN MO, HE WAS SPEAKING TO MY POINT THAT I RAISED RIGHT ABOUT LET'S NOT TOUCH THOSE.
'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WE HAVE TOO MANY UNKNOWNS, BUT THAT DOESN'T, THAT'S JUST, IT'S ALL ON THE TABLE.
BUT WE KNOW WE LOST, I SUPPOSE, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THE TIMING, I MEAN ON WITH THE NEW INFORMATION THAT WE WANT AN ANALYSIS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GOING TO A DIFFERENT DESIGN, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE A CHEAPER DESIGN AS WELL.
I MEAN, JUST KICKING THAT GETS YOU EVERYWHERE.
YOU PRACTICALLY ALMOST WHERE EVERYWHERE YOU NEED TO GO.
CAN, CAN I THROW OUT MORE THING? BUT WE WOULD BE COMMITTING TO PUTTING THAT, I THINK ROXANNE'S GONNA TELL YOU AS WELL, I'M SORRY, THESE AMOUNTS FOR D AND E ASSUME THAT WE ARE GONNA GET A GRANT, RIGHT? SO THERE'S A LOT MORE MONEY THAT NEEDS TO BE SPENT.
SO EACH OFTEN FOR FISCAL YEAR INTO THE FUTURE ANYHOW, THERE'S ENOUGH IN FORECASTED FY 28 TO COVER THOSE TWO PROJECTS IN WHOLE.
BUT WE HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION WHETHER WE WANNA PAY FOR IT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO WE PUT THAT IN THE FUTURE YEAR AS A PLACEHOLDER IN CASE WE WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL FOR THE GRANT.
IT'S JUST NOT READY RIGHT NOW.
IT'S IN OUR CIP AS A PLACEHOLDER.
IN WHAT YEARS? NEXT YEAR IS NEXT YEAR.
IT'S, IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE IT IS HARD.
I FEEL LIKE WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THIS DECISION.
WE SEE THAT THERE'S $7 MILLION THE PATH MM-HMM
WE CAN DECIDE AND WE ONLY NEED 2.1 MILLION.
WE CAN DECIDE WHICH AMONG THESE WE WANNA DO.
IT, IT DOESN'T, BUT I WOULD VOTE FOR THE COFFEE POT ONE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET THE GRANT.
IF YOU WANTED GRANT FUNDING, YOU'D HAVE TO REAPPLY ANYWAY.
IT SOLVES IT WITH JUST ONE PROJECT COMING OFF INSTEAD OF PORTIONS OF OTHERS.
AND, AND WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF OTHER SHARED USE PATH THINGS GOING ON.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY 2 CENTS.
BUT CHARLES, THERE HAS BEEN A INTEREST FROM THE PUBLIC TO GET THAT SHARED USE PATH THAT'S VIEWED AS A RELATIVELY UNSAFE PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR.
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WHAT I WAS GOING TO THROW IN THERE, I THINK ROXANNE IS GONNA EVENTUALLY GIVE YOU AN IDEA AS WELL WITH FURTHER DETAIL ABOUT WHAT STAFF CAN ACTUALLY COMPLETE.SO I, I KNOW YOU'RE ALREADY HEARING THAT, BUT JUST TO CIRCLE BACK TO THAT, THAT IT, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE THAT SEVERAL OF THESE PROJECTS BE DELAYED IN ORDER TO FIT WHAT THEY ARE WORKING ON TO SHOW YOU WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN ACTUALLY COMPLETE.
SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING ROXANNE COMES BACK TO US WITH FURTHER DETAILS, RIGHT? I, I THINK THE POINT WAS MADE WELL THAT THERE'S PLENTY HERE TO COVER IT AND THEN YOU'LL GET TO DECIDE EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE LATER WITH FURTHER DETAIL.
HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE YOU TO, TO DO YOUR ANALYSIS? WHAT, WHAT AGENDA WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE ON? I'VE BEEN THE BACK TO BACK MEETING THREE IN A ROW NOW.
UM, I, I NEED TO TALK WITH THE TEAM.
WE HAVE INFORMATION, BUT I JUST GOTTA MAKE SURE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE BACK.
SO WE HAVE SEPTEMBER 8TH AND SEPTEMBER 23RD, THE EIGHTH AND WE WON'T BE READY.
NO, THE, THE PACKET FOR THE EIGHTH IS ALREADY BEING PREPARED.
SO SEPTEMBER 23RD NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
POTENTIALLY SEPTEMBER 23RD OR THE FIRST ONE IN OCTOBER.
MAYOR, ARE YOU WANTING IT ON A WEDNESDAY WORK SESSION OR ARE YOU OKAY? EXCUSE ME.
UM, SO IF WE WERE TO DO THE SEPTEMBER 23RD, WE'D HAVE TO MOVE ANOTHER ITEM AROUND, WHICH IS NOT A PROBLEM.
UM, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHETHER WE CAN GET THE INFORMATION TOGETHER TO COMPLETE THE PACKET PROCESS, WHICH IT WOULD BE LIKE IN A WEEK.
I, I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS SOMETHING IN OCTOBER.
DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY IN THE OCTOBER 14TH WORK SESSION? UM, IS TENTATIVELY PLANNED TO BE YOUR, UM, EMERGENCY RESPONSE TABLETOP EXERCISE WITH CHANCE.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, UM, I HAD HEARD FROM, UH, ONE OF YOU ABOUT A SUGGESTION MAYBE THAT SHOULD HAPPEN AFTER THE NEW COUNCIL IS SEATED.
UM, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT A SECOND TIME.
IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT, UH, KIMLEY HORN IS NOT AVAILABLE ON THE 14TH.
SO IT WOULD BE THE SECOND MEETING IN OCTOBER.
SO THAT ONE IS, UH, OCTOBER 28TH.
UM, SO IS THAT, OH, SO THAT'S WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE CIRCULATOR STUDY.
SO IF, UH, COUNSEL WAS OPEN TO ADDING, AGAIN, DOING A LITTLE BIT EARLIER START TIME, WE COULD ADD THIS ITEM TO THE OCTOBER 28TH, AND THEN YOU WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSIT CIRCULATOR STUDY.
ANYWAY, JUST AS A HEADS UP TOO, AFTER LAST NIGHT, UM, GUILLERMO'S GONNA WANT TO LOOK AT HIS SCHEDULE FOR THESE ITEMS COMING UP AND MAKE SURE THAT HE'S WELL PREPARED.
AND SO THERE'S A CHANCE THAT HE MAY COME BACK AND SAY, THESE NEED TO SCOOT OUT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I'M HEARING THE 28TH IS MORE DOABLE.
I MEAN, I, IF YOU COULD PUSH THE AGENDA COLLECTION BACK A BIT, PROBABLY 2030.
YEAH, THAT'LL, IT'LL BE SUFFICIENT I THINK FOR US.
BUT LACK OF AN I LACK OF AN IDENTIFIED FUNDING SOURCE IS NOT GONNA SLOW DOWN THE WATER PROJECT.
MAYOR, I'D STILL LIKE TO TALK ABOUT FIVE D FOR A MOMENT HERE.
YOU KNOW, ED, YOU'VE BEEN ON US FOR MONTHS ABOUT THIS.
WE'VE HEARD YOU, YOU'VE PRESENTED, YOU KNOW, A THOUGHTFUL ANALYSIS, ANDREW, YOU'VE HAD A, A BRIEF MOMENT TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, WE NEED TO NOT HAVE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, DIGGING THEIR HEELS AND THAT IT CAN ONLY BE, YOU KNOW, THEIR WAY, UM, WHEN THE DAY IS DONE.
SO, YOU KNOW, ANDREW, I HEARD YOU SAY A MOMENT AGO, ANALYSIS ISN'T GONNA CHANGE.
THAT MAY BE, AND YOU ARE THE EXPERT IN THE ROOM WITHOUT A DOUBT.
YOU MAY BE A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT, BUT YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC NEEDS
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TO FEEL LIKE THE THUMB'S NOT ON THE SCALE.WHEN THE DAY IS DONE AND ED, WE'RE GOING TO A LOT OF ADDITIONAL EFFORT AT YOUR URGING, AND I HOPE THAT YOU'LL RESPECT WHATEVER THE OUTCOME IS, INCLUDING THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE, THE RESULT IS STILL THE SAME RECOMMENDATION THAT A ROUNDABOUTS THE BEST THING WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW? BUT I THINK THIS GROUP IS OPEN TO WHEREVER THE DATA LEADS.
I, I JUST HOPE THAT ONCE WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THIS EFFORT AND A VOTE IS MADE, THEN THAT'S RESPECTED AND WE MOVE FORWARD.
I'M GONNA ASK IS THAT YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT FOLKS UP ROAD EQUALLY WITH THE OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY THAT WE'RE CONCERNED.
JUST CAN YOU BE ON MIC PLEASE? I'M SORRY.
NOT SO MUCH THAT WE COULDN'T, OKAY.
I THOUGHT MY VOICE WAS BOOMING ENOUGH.
IT IS NOT JUST COST EFFECTIVENESS, OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY, IT'S SAFETY, IT'S OUR ACCESS IN AND OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE WAY IN AND OUT AND THAT IF YOU DON'T DO THIS RIGHT, IT'S GONNA IMPACT THE BUSINESSES AND THE PEOPLE AND AN EMERGENCY.
OKAY? IF WE HAVE TO FORCE OUR WAY THROUGH A ROUNDABOUT AND ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS GO TRY AND GET BREWER NORTHBOUND TO GET ONTO WEST 89 A AT FOUR O'CLOCK ON A FRIDAY, YOU KNOW HOW HARD THAT IS.
WHAT I'M ASKING YOU IS YOU DON'T JUST LOOK AT TRAFFIC EFFICIENCY, YOU LOOK AT THE IMPACT ON OUR NEIGHBORS.
AND I HOPE THAT OUR TEAM, YOU KNOW, DOES LOOK AT IT IN THE VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, ELEMENTS THAT YOU'VE DOCUMENTED HERE AND THAT IT'S NOT JUST SIMPLY WHAT DOES THE VIS MODEL SAY? I THINK THAT THAT'S REASONABLE.
I DIDN'T MEAN IT TO SOUND LIKE I WAS BEING COMBATIVE.
IT WAS, I BELIEVE THE VIS ANALYSIS WERE REMAIN THE SAME, CERTAINLY LOOKING THE SCORING.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTIONS OF GOING BACK TO HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THE PERCENTAGE OF CRITERIA WE SCORE STAFF SCORING CRITERIA.
BUT THAT'S WHERE WE COULD RE-LOOK AT IT ESPECIALLY.
CAN YOU ALSO LOOK AT, TO THE, TO ED'S POINT, LOOK AT IT FROM AN EMERGENCY EGRESS STANDPOINT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A SCORING YOU ASSIGNED TO THAT OR WHAT, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T UNDER ED TO BE HONEST.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW A ROUNDABOUT IS ANY WORSE FOR YOU IN A UNCONTROLLED ANYWAY.
WE, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THE BACK AND FORTH.
THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE ANALYSIS.
WE, IF THEY NEED TO GET OUTTA THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S ANOTHER THING WE MODELED A WHILE BACK TOO.
WE LOOKED AT ALL THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE WITH WITHOUT SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WE DO
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT HOW WELL THE TRANSIT SYSTEM FUNCTIONS FOR, FOR OUR STAFF.
I FEEL COMPELLED TO SAY SOMETHING, UM, IF, IF WE WERE SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA REEVALUATE THIS WHEN WE DO BOTH OUR STAFF AND OUR CONSULTANTS HAVE INTEGRITY AND THAT'S OF UTMOST UH, IMPORTANCE TO OUR STAFF AND OUR CONSULTANTS.
AND I JUST WANT IT TO BE STATED THAT PUTTING OUR FINGER ON THE SCALE DOES NOT HAPPEN.
THAT JUST ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT HAPPEN.
WE DO OUR UTMOST BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE EVALUATING SOMETHING, WE TAKE A NEUTRAL POSITION AND LET THE DATA SPEAK FOR ITSELF.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING, ANDY, IS THAT, SO DON'T TAKE IT THAT I WAS QUESTIONING, I WASN'T DIRECTING THAT AT YOU, UH, COUNSELOR, BUT I WAS SENSITIVE TO THE THUMB ON THE SCALE THING.
A LOT OF SENSITIVITY IN THIS ROOM.
DO WE HAVE TO, COULD IT WHAT ABOUT 19 FUNDING? DON'T WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT WE'RE DOING ABOUT THAT? WELL, WE SAID OCTOBER.
OCTOBER 28TH WE'RE COMING BACK FOR ALL.
COULD I ALSO, 11 T WAS ONE THAT WE WERE ASKING FOR DIRECTION, WHETHER WE WANT TO PURSUE ADDITIONAL GRANTS, WHETHER WE WANT TO PUT ADDITIONAL MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO FUND THAT.
IF WE WANT TO START IT NOW, IF WE WANT TO PHASE IT.
UH, THERE WAS QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS SURROUNDING THAT ONE.
UM, AGAIN, IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR MORE DETAILS YOU'D LIKE US TO LOOK INTO, WE COULD ALSO BRING THAT BACK.
MAYBE NOT AT THAT OCTOBER 28TH, BUT A, A DIFFERENT MEETING WHICH WENT TO COUNSELOR HOSSEINI'S POINT.
WHEREAS IF WE'RE NOT PROCEEDING ON THAT, THEN THE OTHER PROBLEM IS ALREADY SOLVED.
BUT JUST ADDING LINE THREE THAT I CAN'T
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EVEN READ.AND LINE FOUR, THE NINE 19 AND THE 1.5, THOSE TWO TOGETHER WOULD ALSO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
AND IF THAT GOES TO YOUR CAPACITY ISSUE AND IF COFFEE POT IS SO IMPORTANT, UH, I MEAN I CAN'T JUDGE THOSE.
I CAN ONLY ADD, YOU KNOW, ADD NUMBERS.
I THINK, UM, AFTER WE COME BACK ON THE 20 OCTOBER 28TH, YOU, YOU'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF HOW YOU MIGHT WANT TO PROCEED.
YOU ALSO, AND IF YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT US TO COME BACK WITH MORE DETAILS FOR SIM 11 T AND SOME MORE? YEAH, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU SHOULD GET THE FEEDBACK BY THEN ABOUT WHY WE DIDN'T GET THE GRANT TOO, WHICH WOULD BE HELPFUL AS TO WHETHER WE SHOULD PURSUE ANOTHER GRANT OR WE SHOULD FUND IT OURSELVES.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO SHARE.
COULD I ASK A QUESTION? I MEAN, THIS WAS NOT A REVIEW OF ALL YOUR SIM PROJECTS OR ALL YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT? NO, THIS WAS A, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF AGENDA FROM AN AGENDA STANDPOINT, IF I CAN ASK ABOUT A DIFFERENT PROJECT, BUT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE GOOD ROW.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THAT THIS YEAR? WE'RE INITIATING, UH, WE'RE GETTING A CONTRACT TOGETHER.
WE HAVE A SCOPE OF WORK, UM, AND SELECTING A, A DESIGNER TO GET US CONCEPTS AND THEN START COMMUNITY OUTREACH TO THE GOOD ROAD COMMUNITY.
[3.c. Discussion/possible action regarding ideas for future meetings/agenda items. ]
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING IDEAS FOR FUTURE MEETINGS, AGENDA ITEMS. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? I'LL DO THAT.[5. ADJOURNMENT ]
WE ARE ADJOURNED.