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GOOD EVENING.[1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL]
CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.THIS IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
TODAY'S DATE IS TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2026.
OH, WE'RE NOT DOING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
OH, I THOUGHT WE DID THE CALL TO ORDER FIRST.
NO, THAT WAS THE CALL TO ORDER.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, ALL TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA REPUBLIC FOR RICHARD STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND COMMISSIONER SACK EXCUSED.
[2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF]
ITEM NUMBER TWO.ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
UM, THE ONLY THING I HAVE IS I SENT YOU, UH, AN EMAIL THIS AFTERNOON.
AS A REMINDER, TODAY IS THE LAST DAY TO RSVP, TO THE CITY'S VOLUNTEER BRUNCH NEXT WEEK.
SO IF YOU PLAN ON GOING, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU LET KEEGAN KNOW BY THE END OF THE DAY.
CLOSING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.
[3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES]
NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES.UN UNLESS I HEAR ANY COMMENTS, THEY'LL STAND APPROVED.
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC FORUM.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS 38 DASH 4 3 1 0 1 H.
ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LEADER DATE.
I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS AT ALL YET.
SO, CLOSING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE,
[5. DISCUSSION REGARDING UPDATES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE]
DISCUSSION REGARDING UPDATES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS, UH, TWOFOLD.
FIRST, UM, INTRODUCE YOU TO THE WEBSITE THAT WE HAVE NOW.
UM, I WOULD SAY IS PROBABLY 85 TO 90% OPERATIONAL, UM, FOR THE ENGAGED SEDONA, UH, SITE.
THAT WILL BEGIN OUR KICKOFF OF OUR CODE CRITIQUE.
SO WE ARE, UM, THE ENGAGED SEDONA SITE IS GOING TO BE THE LANDING PAGE FOR MULTIPLE PROJECTS.
UM, BUT YOU SCROLL DOWN FROM THE ENGAGED SEDONA SITE, AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THREE PROJECTS LISTED.
UM, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CRITIQUE IS THE ONE THAT IS LIVE.
UM, THE ONE THAT WILL COME UP NEXT WILL BE UPTOWN AND ARTS, UM, COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA, UM, WHICH WILL BE, UM, ACTUALLY PROBABLY GETTING LIVE BEFORE THE END OF THE WEEK.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THAT SITE UP AS WELL.
UM, AGAIN, THIS SITE IS THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT COMPONENT TO WHAT IS OUR NORMAL WEBSITE.
UM, THE REASON WE USE THIS WEBSITE IS BECAUSE IT GIVES US SUBSTANTIALLY MORE FLEXIBILITY AS IT RELATES TO THE TYPES OF, UM, PUBLIC FEEDBACK WE WANT IN THE DIGITAL SPACE.
SO, AND I'LL WALK THROUGH THAT HERE IN JUST A SECOND.
UM, YOU'LL SEE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE ENGAGED SEDONA SITE KEY DATES, AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND.
UH, CODE CRITIQUE KICKOFF, UM, STARTING TOMORROW.
UM, AND THEN P AND Z CODE CRITIQUE OPEN HOUSE WE WILL TALK ABOUT HERE IN A COUPLE MINUTES, UM, BECAUSE WE'LL NEED Y'ALL TO PICK A DATE AND WE CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSION AS TO HOW YOU WANT, UM, THAT FORUM TO WORK.
AND SO, UM, BUT TO GET BACK TO THE CODE CRITIQUE FROM THE ENGAGED SEDONA SITE, SIMPLY CLICK ON THE CODE CRITIQUE.
UM, AND IT TAKES YOU TO THE LANDING PAGE FOR THE CODE CRITIQUE.
UM, WHAT YOU'LL FIND THERE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, WE'LL BE BUILDING OFF OF THIS, THIS IS THE STARTER SET OF WHAT'S GONNA TRANSPIRE OVER THE NEXT TWO MONTHS.
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CAN SEE, UM, WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS SET UP IMPORTANT LINKS.IF THERE ARE OTHER LINKS THAT YOU SEE THAT WE NEED TO BE ADDING TO THIS, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
BUT IT GIVES YOU THE LINK TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO GET TO THE CODE, TAKE A LOOK AT IT, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEIR OPINION, GOT A DIRECT SHOT TO IT.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THE 2024 COMMUNITY PLAN.
UH, WE'VE ALSO BUILT IN THE TIMELINE.
TIMELINE IS PRIMARILY GOING TO BE FOCUSED AROUND THE CODE CRITIQUE AT THE BEGINNING, BUT IT ALSO GIVES THE GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF WHEN WE'LL BE DOING OUR PROPOSAL AND SELECTION FOR OUR CONSULTANT, UM, WHEN WE'LL, UH, BE GOING THROUGH THE UPDATE PROCESS AND WHEN WE EXPECT THE UPDATES TO BE ADOPTED.
IF THERE NEEDS TO BE ADJUST ADJUSTMENTS, WE CAN DO THESE SUPER QUICK.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S A COMPONENT CALLED WHO'S LISTENING, UM, FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT JUST WANT TO EMAIL US DIRECTLY FOR THE INDIVIDUALS ON STAFF THAT WILL BE INVOLVED IN THE CODE CRITIQUE.
SO IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE MYSELF, CARRIE, AND MEGAN, UM, LISTED.
SO THE OTHER COMPONENT TO THIS AND THE MORE EXCITING COMPONENT IS THE PIECE BELOW.
AND WE HAVE NINE DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN ENGAGE THE PUBLIC.
UM, THE FIRST ONE WE'VE SET UP IS, UM, WHAT'S CALLED AN IDEA BOARD.
SO WE CAN CLICK ON THE, UH, WHAT WORKS, AND IF YOU WANT TO ADD A CONTRIBUTION, ADD A NEW CONTRIBUTION THAT SHOULDN'T DO THAT, WE'LL FIX IT.
IT, WHAT IT DOES IS IT HAS THREE STAGES.
UM, IT HAS A PUBLIC, WHICH IS COMPLETELY OPEN, ONE THAT'S CALLED PANELED, THAT ONLY ALLOWS CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS TO GET ACCESS.
AND A THIRD IT LIMITS IT AND LOCKS IT DOWN COMPLETELY, UM, SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT, BUT YOU CAN'T REALLY DO MUCH ELSE WITH IT.
SO I NEED TO GO INTO HERE, WHICH I'LL DO RIGHT AFTER WE'RE DONE, AND, UM, AND CHANGE THAT.
UM, FOR NOW, ARE, ARE YOU SAYING, 'CAUSE I TRIED TO GET ON THIS, ARE YOU SAYING THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SET UP AN ACCOUNT? NO.
AND IF YOU SEE ANYWHERE IN HERE, ROB, WHERE THERE IS SOMETHING THAT STILL ASKS YOU TO SIGN IN, TEXT ME OR EMAIL ME SO I CAN FIX THAT.
UM, BECAUSE YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
UM, AND WE DID THAT ON PURPOSE.
THERE ARE COMMUNITIES THAT ASK YOU TO REGISTER SO THAT THAT WAY THEY CAN KEEP TRACK AND EMAIL YOU WHEN THINGS CHANGE, ET CETERA.
SO WE'LL HAVE A SECTION WHERE IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO FOLLOW, YOU CAN CLICK AND YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME AND THEN WE'LL UP, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW AS THINGS CHANGE.
UM, BUT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE COMMENTS AND DOES NOT WANT TO GIVE THEIR INFORMATION, THEY SHOULD FEEL FREE TO DO THAT.
UM, THE OTHER THINGS THAT, UH, JUST A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT ARE GLITCHES, UM, WE TRY TO GET TO THE CITY WEBSITE.
UM, THE HOMEPAGE SHOULD WORK COMPLETELY FINE.
UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TEST IS YET, AND NEITHER DOES GRANICUS, WHICH IS THE COMPANY THAT THAT HAS THE SITE.
SO THEY'RE WORKING ON FIXES FOR BOTH THE CITY WEBSITE, UM, ACCESS.
'CAUSE YOU CAN SEE IT SAYS IT CAN'T BE FOUND.
UM, SO THEY'RE WORKING ON FIXING BOTH OF THOSE PIECES, UM, TO THE SITE.
BUT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, HOLD ON, SHOULD OPEN UP IN THERE.
WE CAN SEE BEHIND THE HOOD OF IT, WHAT WE CAN SEE IF WE GO TO PROJECTS, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF I COME DOWN HERE TO ADD A TOOL, YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FEEDBACK THAT WE CAN ENGAGE PEOPLE WITH.
THE ONE WE'RE USING RIGHT NOW IS CALLED THE IDEA BOARD.
UM, THE ONE WE'LL PROBABLY DO NEXT IS THE QUICK POLLS.
WELL, WE'LL HAVE A COUPLE OF JUST QUESTIONS WE CAN THROW OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE CAN REACT TO.
UM, ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO CAN, PEOPLE THAT DON'T, DON'T HAVE TO.
IT'S JUST MORE TO SPUR REACTION ON TOPICS THAT, UM, THAT WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT.
UM, WE CAN ALSO DO MORE EXTENSIVE SURVEYS.
UM, WE CAN DO OPEN FORUMS, UM, GENERAL QUESTIONS.
IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW OPEN OF AN ENVIRONMENT WE WANNA CREATE, BECAUSE WE CAN DO LIKE OPEN FORUMS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE SET UP, AND THEN IT'S, IT'S AN ONLINE DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH.
WE JUST LET PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, IT'S SEVEN O'CLOCK, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THIS JOIN IN THE PARTY.
SO IT ESSENTIALLY BECOMES A CHAT,
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UM, WHERE PEOPLE HAVE, AND EVERYBODY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD ON TOP OF THEIR THOUGHTS.UM, THE ONE THAT WE'RE USE THAT I THINK IS GONNA BE MOST EFFECTIVE HERE IS THE IDEAS PIECE.
AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT, UH, FOR WHATEVER REASON IS NOT ALLOWING US ACCESS.
SO WE'RE GONNA GET THERE THIS WAY.
SO I'M GONNA GO TO PREVIEW, AND IF I GO HERE, DECIDE I WANT TO DO A NEW CONTRIBUTION, THEN WHAT IT DOES IS IT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY, LET'S MOVE THIS OVER HERE SO I CAN COME IN AND SAY WHATEVER I WANT TO UP HERE.
UM, AND THEN DOWN HERE I CAN SELECT A CATEGORY AND WE'VE CREATED SEVEN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE GETTING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THAT'S THE ADMINISTRATIVE PART OF IT.
UM, THEN WE HAVE USING AND DEVELOPING PROPERTY THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF LAND USE.
UM, AND THE TYPES OF THINGS YOU SEE RELATED TO LAND USE.
UH, DESIGNING BUILDINGS AND SITES, UM, BUILDING MASSING, THE HEIGHTS, ET CETERA.
UM, GETTING AROUND AND PARKING, PARKING LIMITS, PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UM, UH, SIGNS AND OUTDOOR LIGHTING.
I EXPECT THAT WILL BE A PRETTY ACTIVE TOPIC.
UM, PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT IS GOING TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE SUSTAINABILITY FEATURES THAT WE HAVE, UM, IN THE CODES.
AND THEN ANYTHING THAT WE'VE MISSED IS LISTED AS OTHER ITEMS. SO WE DON'T EXPECT PEOPLE TO REMEMBER EACH ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SECTION IN THAT FRONT PAGE THAT EXPLAINS WHAT EACH ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES ARE, SO THAT WAY IF ANYBODY HAS ANY, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY QUESTIONS, THEY CAN LOOK AT THAT PIECE AND SEE WHERE THE, WHAT CATEGORY SHOULD BE THE ONE THEY WOULD DROP THINGS INTO.
THE IDEA BEHIND THAT IS JUST TO HELP US ORGANIZE THINGS AS WE GET COMMENTS IN.
WE CAN ALSO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO PUT PART IDEAS INTO, UM, INTO THE PROPER CATEGORIES SO THAT WE CAN THEN COMPILE THEM.
SO THE NICE THING ABOUT THIS IS AS WE TYPE THESE IN, THEY SHOW UP LITERALLY AS A SERIES OF STICKY NOTES.
UM, SO THE IDEA BOARD LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE AN IDEA BOARD WHERE SOMEBODY HAD AN IDEA AND THEY POST IT.
SO IT SHOWS UP LOOKING LIKE A BUNCH OF STICKY NOTES.
UM, THE OTHER NICE THING ABOUT IT IS INDIVIDUALS CAN CHIME IN ON OTHER PEOPLE'S NOTES.
SO IF SOMEBODY SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT SIGNAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE IS THINKING, WELL, NOW I WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT THOUGHT AND CONTINUING IT, THEY CAN JUMP ON AND THEN THEY CAN ALSO ADD TO THAT THOUGHT.
UM, SO AN IDEA CAN TURN INTO A SERIES OF DIFFERENT, UM, OPINIONS, THOUGHTS, PROCESSES, WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO, SO THAT'S THE IDEA INITIALLY BEHIND THIS.
UM, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY OPEN TO ANY IDEAS OR ANY THOUGHTS ANYBODY HAS, WHETHER IT'S QUESTIONS, SURVEYS, WE'D LIKE TO SEE, UM, IN THE PROCESS.
WE CAN CHANGE ANY OF THESE CATEGORIES.
ALL OF THIS IS COMPLETELY FLEXIBLE, BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE HAD, UM, IN MIND, UM, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF YOU WANT SOMETHING TO CHANGE, LET US KNOW.
SUPER EASY TO DO NOW THAT WE'VE GOT IT UP AND RUNNING.
SO, UM, BUT THAT IS THE, UM, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE WEBSITE.
UM, IT WAS PRETTY EASY TO PUT TOGETHER ONCE WE GOT THE ABILITY TO DO IT.
SO, UM, REALLY THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.
WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND, AND WORK WITH COMMUNICATIONS TO GET THE WORD OUT SO THAT WE CAN START DRIVING PEOPLE TO THE SITE.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING, I THINK AS, AS DISCUSSED BEFORE, FOUR DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE WANNA CAPTURE COMMUNICATION.
UM, ONE, WE WANT TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE, UM, BUILDERS, DEVELOPERS, PROPERTY OWNERS, WHOMEVER THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, SO WE KNOW WE'RE TALKING DIRECTLY WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE PIECE AND TRIED TO GO THROUGH OUR APPLICATIONS, OUR REZONINGS, ET CETERA.
SO WE CAN GET DIRECT FEEDBACK FROM FOLKS THAT HAVE HAD TO DO IT FROM THAT SIDE OF THE DAIS.
AND, UM, THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THIS, THE DIGITAL PLATFORM, UM, AND THEN WE'LL ALSO HAVE THE OPEN HOUSE, UM, AS WELL.
AND, UM, FOR THE LIFE OF ME, CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE FOURTH ONE IS, BUT I'M SURE IT'S PROPHETIC
SO AS SOON AS I REMEMBER, I'LL LET EVERYBODY KNOW.
BUT THOSE ARE GONNA BE THE BIG THREE, UM, WAYS THAT WE'RE GONNA GET SOME FEEDBACK.
ONCE WE GET ALL OF THAT IN TWO MONTHS, WE WILL SHUT IT DOWN AND WE WILL PUT TOGETHER A REPORT.
UM, SO THAT REPORT WILL HIGHLIGHT THE BIG FEATURES, THE BIG THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE PRESENTING TO US AS ISSUES, UM, THE THINGS THAT THEY LIKE, THE THINGS THEY'D LIKE TO SEE CHANGED, ET CETERA.
WHILE THAT REPORT IS, IS BEING
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DEVELOPED, IS WHEN WE WILL ISSUE THE RFP FOR A CONSULTANT TO HELP US DO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATES.SO WHEN THEY START AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, THEY WILL HAVE THIS REPORT TO BUILD OFF OF.
SO THEY'LL ALREADY HAVE AN IDEA AS THEY'RE BUILDING THEIR SCOPE OF WORK WITH US, ET CETERA, THE IDEAS THAT ARE COMING FROM THE PUBLIC THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED.
UM, AND WE DO THAT BECAUSE CONSULTANTS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, START OFF WITH WHAT WE CALL A, A CODE DIAGNOSTIC.
AND THAT'S WHEN THEY TAKE A LOOK AT IT, THEY COMPARE IT TO PEER COMMUNITIES, ET CETERA, AND THEN THEY COME BACK WITH THEIR THOUGHTS.
WE WANTED TO BRING THE COMMUNITY'S THOUGHTS FORWARD FIRST, AND THEN THEY CAN DO THEIR CODE CRITIQUE, THEIR THEIR OWN DIAGNOSTIC BASED OFF OF THAT.
THEY'LL DO PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AS WELL.
BUT ALMOST EVERYBODY STARTS WITH A DIAGNOSTIC WHERE THEY COME THROUGH AND REVIEW THE CODE.
SO WE WANT THEM TO HAVE AN IDEA AND ADVANCE THE THINGS THAT WE THINK ARE IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO BE TAKING A LOOK AT.
DO THEY PICK THE PURE TOWNS OR DO WE, UM, THE, THEY WILL NOT, THEY TYPICALLY MOST WILL NOT TELL YOU THAT WE'RE GONNA BE USING THE FOUR, THE FOLLOWING FIVE TOWNS.
UM, A COUPLE OF THE FIRMS THAT I'VE, I'VE WORKED WITH, UM, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY COMPARE IT AGAINST OTHER TOWNS.
THEY COMPARE IT AGAINST THE OTHER TOWNS THEY'VE WORKED IN MM-HMM
BECAUSE DEVELOPMENT CODES, THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC FIRMS THAT DO THAT, UM, AND DO IT INCREDIBLY WELL.
AND THEN THERE'S OTHER FIRMS THAT WILL WANT TO DO IT.
UM, BUT THERE'S A GROUP OF BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 FIRMS THAT THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT THEY DO.
AND SO WHEN THEY'RE DOING A COMPARISON, THEY'RE DOING IT AGAINST 60, 70 OTHER CITIES THAT THEY'VE WORKED IN.
UM, AS A SOURCE OF COMPARISON.
AND THAT'S WHERE THEY GET BEST PRACTICES.
DEVELOPMENT CODES ARE ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT'S KIND OF OKAY TO COPY WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE HAS DONE AS LONG AS IT FITS THE CONTEXT OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO, UH, THIS IS ONE PLACE WHERE PLAGIARISM IS KIND OF, OKAY, SO WHAT'S THE EXPECTATION FOR HOW LONG UNTIL WE GET FEEDBACK FROM THE CONSULTANT OR WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR WHEN WE THINK WE MIGHT, SO TYPICALLY IT, IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON, ON THE TYPE OF CONSULTING FIRM.
AND CONSULTING FIRMS DO CODES DIFFERENTLY.
UM, SOME OF THEM WILL DO THINGS BY SECTION.
SO THEY'LL COMPLETE MAYBE THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND PROCEDURE SECTION FIRST, AND THEN THEY DELIVER THAT AS A SECTION.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER FIRMS THAT LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE SENSE OF THE AREA FIRST AND PROCESSES AND CHARACTER AND HOW ALL THAT WORKS.
AND THEN THEY WRITE THE WHOLE THING AT ONCE.
UM, SO WHAT YOU WOULD RECEIVE IN THAT CASE IS YOU GET THE DIAGNOSTIC FIRST.
YOU HAVE A SERIES OF MEETINGS WHERE THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET TO UNDERSTAND THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY'S ISSUES, ET CETERA.
UM, AND THEN THEY GO BACK AND THEY SPEND THE LAST THIRD OF THE PROCESS JUST WRITING MM-HMM
UM, SO IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF FIRM.
AND THERE COULD BE SOME OTHERS TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
THOSE ARE THE TWO PROCESSES I'VE SEEN MOST OFTEN.
SO IS THERE AN EFFORT TO, TO HAVE A GROUP THAT'S, YOU KNOW, DONE PARK CITY, JACKSON HOLE, SOME, SOME DESTINATION DESTINATION, SMALLER COMMUNITIES THAT, UH, I MEAN IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO ME.
WE ARE SO DIFFERENT IN OUR ISSUES.
OR CAN, CAN YOU MOVE THE MICROPHONE SO WE CAN GET THE RECORDING? OUR, OUR ISSUES ARE, UM, ARE UNIQUE, I THINK.
AND, UH, IF WE FIND SOMEONE THAT'S, UH, DOING BAKERSFIELD, CALIFORNIA, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE SAME ISSUES.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE, WE CAN ADD TO THE RFP IS THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE THAT HAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF, YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN LIST THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.
YOU KNOW, TOURISM, YOU KNOW, BASED DESTINATION, COMMUNITY, ET CETERA.
WE CAN LIST SOME OF THOSE THINGS IN THERE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GROUPS THAT DO SMALL TOWNS VERSUS THE CITY OF PHOENIX.
UM, RADICALLY DIFFERENT TYPES OF CODES, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY HAVE RADICALLY DIFFERENT KINDS OF NEEDS.
AND, AND THAT ACTUALLY WILL, THAT'S, IT'S A GREAT POINT BECAUSE CONSULTANTS DON'T WANT TO DO WORK FOR SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T FIT THEM, GENERALLY SPEAKING.
'CAUSE IT TURNS OUT BAD FOR BOTH SIDES.
AND SO THE MORE INFORMATION WE CAN BUILD INTO THE RFP THAT ALLOWS CONSULTANTS TO MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION AS TO GO OR NO GO, THEN UM, THEN THE BETTER OFF WE'LL ALL BE.
SO ANY THOUGHTS ANY OF YOU HAVE ON THE TYPES OF THINGS WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT, LET US KNOW.
UM, WE'LL TAKE A QUICK STAB AT THE RFP, THE GUTS OF IT, KIND OF THAT FRAMEWORK, AND I'M HAPPY TO SEND IT TO Y'ALL TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND SEE IF YOU'VE GOT ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD, UM, TO THE, TO THE GENERAL KIND OF THAT GENERAL BACKGROUND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET.
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BUT YEAH, I'M HOPING TO START WORKING ON THAT IN THE NEXT MONTH, PUTTING THAT TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN FIRE THAT RFP OUT SOON.UM, I WAS PART, I WAS PART OF A REALLY BIG SURVEY INPUT PROJECT FOR THE CITY OF ME SAW CALLED IMAGINE MESA.
SO WE WERE OUT TO 500,000 RESIDENTS.
UM, AND THEN I WAS IN THE FINAL PRESENTATION COMMITTEE DURING THAT PROCESS, JUST LIKE YOU ALL HAVE THE DIFFERENT GROUPS.
I THINK THAT'S JUST A GREAT WAY BECAUSE IT JUST STARTS THAT CONVERSATION UNDER THAT SUBTITLE SO YOU DON'T GET, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT IT'S HARDER FOR STAFF IN THE LONG RUN TO ORGANIZE.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN YOU DO THAT OPTION FOR FOLKS TO LEAVE, YOU KNOW, THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION, I THINK THAT'S SUPER IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN CONTRIBUTORS, THESE MIGHT BE FUTURE VOLUNTEERS FOR THE CITY AND GIVES US GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE FOLKS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE THOUGHT THAT THEIR VOICE WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH OR THAT WE CARED.
UM, WHEN WE DID, UM, IMAGINE MESA, WE WERE ABLE TO JUST REALLY REJUVENATE THE VOLUNTEER POOL AND GIVE US SOME BETTER CROSS SECTION OF FOLKS THAT WERE VOLUNTEERING WITH THE CITY.
SO, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, AND OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANNA COERCE PEOPLE, RIGHT? GIVE US YOUR INFORMATION OR ELSE, BUT IN A WAY TO JUST KINDLY SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, PLEASE SUPPLY THIS, WE MAY REACH OUT TO YOU IN FUTURE FOR OUR VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE A SMALL HANDFUL THAT WILL DO IT, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO TRY TO GET THAT CONTACT INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY DURING THE FORUMS, IF YOU'RE HAVING A HOT CONTROVERSIAL FORUM, IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO REACH OUT TO THOSE THAT WERE ACTIVE ON THE SITE.
UM, SO, UM, THEY MAY NOT CATCH A NOTICE.
'CAUSE IF IT GETS SUPER ACTIVE, WE CAN GET LOST FREQUENT.
OH, THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT POINT, JOE.
AND ACTUALLY IF ON THE SITE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN ADD IS IF I CAN GET OUT OF THE, UM, OUT OF THIS VERSION OF IT, LET'S SEE, LET'S GO BACK HERE.
ONE OF THE THING, THE SIDE IS ALL CALLED WIDGETS.
AND ONE OF THOSE WIDGETS IS, UM, IS ONE WHERE WE CAN DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID IS WE CAN ASK PEOPLE TO GO AHEAD AND SIGN UP OR TO LET US KNOW WHO THEY ARE IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN STAYING A PART OF THE PROCESS.
AND THAT WAY WE CAN START TO GET INDIVIDUALS THAT, YOU KNOW, EITHER WANNA STAY A PART OF THE PROCESS JUST BECAUSE THEY WANNA BE DEEPLY INVOLVED IN THE CODE WRITING, UH, PART OF IT.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE MAY BE, WE MAY GET A WHOLE NEW CROP OF PEOPLE WHO WANNA BE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN, UH, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION OR FUTURE COUNSELORS.
UM, I I WAS CURIOUS HOW YOU'RE GOING TO PUSH OUT TO THE DESIGN COMMUNITY, THE CONSTRUCTION COMMUNITY AND THE OWNER COMMUNITY THAT HAVE DEALT WITH THE CITY IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
DO YOU HAVE A DATABASE OF ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE THAT THAT YOU CAN PUSH OUT DIRECTLY TO THEM AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO GET ON THIS SITE? WE HAVE A LIST OF, WELL THE FORTUNATE THING IS WE HAVE A LIST OF EVERYBODY THAT'S EVER APPLIED FOR A PERMIT, RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS.
THE BAD NEWS IS IT'S SPRINGBROOK.
UM, SO IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE THE BEST TOOL, BUT WE WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S SPRINGBROOK? SO SPRINGBROOK IS OUR, UM, IS OUR DATA MANAGEMENT HAVE A REALLY BAD PERMITTING SYSTEM THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS DESIGNED IN THE 1560S.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS THINGS THAT COME BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, LIKE THE LARGER PROJECTS, THERE'S NOT A TON OF THOSE THAT COME THROUGH.
AND SO IT'S WOULDN'T BE THAT DIFFICULT TO JUST GO THROUGH THE APPLICATIONS FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND COMPILE A LIST.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME OF THE MORE SPECIALIZED THING, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A SMALL COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE THAT WE SEE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S A DIFFERENT OWNER, A DIFFERENT ARCHITECT, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, FIVE DIFFERENT ENGINEERING FIRMS THAT WORK ON DRAINAGE STUDIES AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO, UM, FOR SOME OF THE LARGER PROJECTS, IT'S WOULD PROBABLY BE HAND COMPILING A LIST, BUT IT'S WOULDN'T BE THAT, UM, DIFFICULT.
AND I KNOW OUR BUILDING PERMIT TECHNICIANS DO HAVE SOME LISTS.
WE CAN'T RECOMMEND ANYBODY WHAT, BUT WHEN PEOPLE ASK LIKE, WHO IS GONNA WORK IN SEDONA, WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE LISTS ALREADY TO GO.
WELL, I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ENGAGE IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, THOSE CONTRACTORS, OWNERS, ARCHITECT DESIGNERS, UH, THAT HAVE ENGAGED WITH OUR LDC AND PUSHED DIRECTLY OUT TO THEM.
I THINK THEY'RE THE MOST, UH, KNOWLEDGEABLE RESOURCE ABOUT THE LDC AND WHERE THEY'VE BUMPED HEADS WITH THE LDC AND, UH, WILL PROVIDE INPUT.
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THE, THE SECOND THING IS, UM, IF WE'RE ASKING THEM TO GIVE INPUT ON OUR CURRENT LDC, YES, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT INSTEAD OF THE CATEGORIES YOU HAVE THAT ARE KIND OF AMBIVALENT AND WHERE DO I PUT MY COMMENT? I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CATEGORIES ARE THE CHAPTERS OF THE LDC.IF I HAVE A COMMENT ON ZONING, I CLICK ON CHAPTER CHAPTER THREE.
IF I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE BUILT FORM, I CLICK ON THAT CHAPTER AND THAT'S WHERE MY COMMENT GOES.
BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOME COMMENTS THAT IT'S LIKE, UH, YOU'VE GOT WORDS UP THERE THAT I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT MIGHT GO IF I'VE GOT A COMMENT ON CELL PHONE TOWERS, YOU KNOW, I CAN PUT IT IN THAT ONE.
SO THEN PEOPLE, BECAUSE THEIR COMMENTS, IF THEY HAVE TO DO WITH OUR CURRENT LDC ARE GONNA RELATE DIRECTLY TO SOMETHING OUT OF THOSE CHAPTERS.
AND I THINK THEY SHOULD KIND OF KNOW, OKAY, I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A COMMENT ON SOMETHING IN CHAPTER FIVE AND THAT'S WHERE I PUT MY COMMENT.
I EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT DRILLING DOWN FARTHER THAN THAT BECAUSE EACH CHAPTER HAS SECTIONS AND YOU CAN THEN DETERMINE WHICH SECTION REALLY, WHICH SECTIONS HAVE CAUSED ISSUES THAT PEOPLE DEALT WITH.
AND, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN AND COMMENT SECTION BY SECTION IN THE, IN THE LDC, BUT I JUST THINK MAKING THEIR COMMENT PERTINENT TO THOSE ISSUES ARE IMPORTANT AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'D RECOMMEND.
UM, WHAT I WOULD ASK IF, IF Y'ALL WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT, IF WE GO THAT ROUTE, UM, I HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 10, UM, TOPICS.
SO ON SOME OF THE TOPICS I MIGHT COMBINE THEM.
UM, SO I THINK THERE'S LESS THAN 10 CHAPTERS IN THE LDC AREN'T THERE? MIGHT BE, IS THERE LESS THAN 10? THERE'S NINE.
AND THEN WE CAN LEAVE THE, THAT 10TH CAN BE THE OTHER OTHER.
BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE MAY REMEMBER THEIR ISSUE, BUT THEY MAY HAVE NO IDEA WHERE IT IS IN THE CODE.
WELL I THINK IF THEY HAVE AN ISSUE, THEY'RE GONNA REMEMBER WHERE IT IS
WELL, AND WE CAN START IT THAT WAY AND LET'S JUST SEE HOW PEOPLE REACT TO IT.
IF IT TURNS OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CHAPTERS DON'T WORK, WE CAN ALWAYS COME UP AND DO A VERSION NUMBER TWO YEAH.
SO THAT'S THE NICE THING ABOUT THIS, THIS, THIS, UH, SITE, IT'S ULTIMATELY FLEXIBLE.
SO THE OTHER THING IS THAT, SO DOING IT THAT WAY, SAYING, UH, WHAT ARE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE CURRENT LDC IS GONNA GET YOU DOWN IN THE WEEDS REALLY QUICK.
AND I I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF YOU TALKED ABOUT A SURVEY OR SOME QUESTIONS YEAH.
THAT THERE ARE PERHAPS SOME HIGHER LEVEL QUESTIONS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THOSE WOULD BE, BUT THINGS LIKE, UM, UH, LET'S SEE, UH, AGAIN, I FOCUS SO MUCH ON THE BUILT THE CHAPTER IN THE LDC THAT DEALS, DEALS WITH ARCHITECTURE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU THINK THE CITY, DO YOU THINK THE PROPOSED LDC SHOULD LEGISLATE WALL PLANE CHANGES OR, UH, I THAT MAY BE EVEN TOO PARTICULAR, BUT IT'D JUST BE NICE TO GET KIND OF A GLOBAL GET, GET OUT OF THE WEEDS AND GET UP UP A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
AND WITH SOME OF THE GREAT QUESTIONS YOU CAN ASK.
THE LAST LAST THING I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IS, IN THE END, WHO DECIDES, UM, THE CITY HAS GONE THROUGH SOME INTERESTING PROJECTS WHERE THEY ASK FOR CITY INPUT AND THE COMMUNITY FEELS THEY PROVIDE INPUT AND THE CITY DOESN'T DO WHAT THE COMMUNITY SEEMS TO WANT.
UM, SO LET'S JUST SAY THAT THE DESIGN AND OWNER COMMUNITY COMES BACK AND SAYS, 30 FOOT WALL PLANE CHANGES BY THREE FEET.
I DON'T, IT WAS A THREE FEET, WHATEVER IT IS, UM, IS, DOESN'T WORK WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF A HOTEL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THE OVERWHELMING RESPONSE IS THAT'S DICTATING THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS AND IT DOESN'T WORK WITH WHAT, AND THERE'S NO FLEXIBILITIES.
LIKE CARRIE CAN'T SAY 30 FIVE'S.
'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOUR SPACE IS 1500 SQUARE FEET AND IT'S SQUARE SQUARE, AND WHY WOULD YOU INTRODUCE A PLANE CHANGE? SO LET'S SAY THE COMMUNITY COMES BACK AND SAYS ALL THAT AND WE GIVE IT TO THIS CONSULTANT MM-HMM
AND THEN, BUT IT'S DECIDED THAT THAT'S GOOD PRACTICE AND THAT WILL CREATE SPECIAL DESIGNS FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA.
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AND WE STILL END UP WITH 30 FOOT WALLS WITH PLANE CHANGES.AND, AND I CAN, I CAN LOOK AT A FEW OF THE MOST CURRENT PROJECTS.
WE'VE GOT A COFFEE SHOP GOING UP, UM, BY JAYBIRDS, YOU KNOW, IS THAT SEDONA ARCHITECTURE? I DON'T KNOW.
LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT I THINK I SAW ONE IN PHOENIX.
OR PRESCOTT, IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE, WHEN I HAVEN'T SEEN THE DRAWINGS FOR THE ELEVATIONS OF THE CIRCLE K, BUT I BET YOU THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE SEDONA OR WHATEVER SEDONAS SUPPOSED TO BE.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE, WHAT IS THAT ONE THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION THAT DOES THE ALCHEMIST, THEY DO THE THE MEAD.
IS IS THAT IT? I, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT IN ANY REGARD, UM, I I, MY MY QUESTION IS, IF IF THE PUBLIC AND THE PEOPLE THAT WORK WITH THE CITY COME BACK AND STRONGLY SAY SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T LIKE ABOUT THE CURRENT LDC
AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT THE COMMUNITY SEEMS TO BE TOTALLY AGAINST.
UM, TELL ME HOW THAT, HOW THAT WORKS WHEN THE OVERWHELMING IS WE DON'T LIKE THIS, WHO SAYS TO YOU NO, TAKE THAT OUT OF THE CODE PROPOSAL.
SO I THINK, UM, I THINK WHAT I WOULD SAY ON, ON THE LAST ONE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK JUST LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT WITH HOUSING, THIS IS ABOUT BALANCE IN THAT REGARDS, RIGHT? WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BALANCING CONTEXT WITH CHARACTER.
AND, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT BLACKROCK, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, BLACKROCK COFFEE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, OH WOW, THAT LOOKS JUST LIKE SEDONA.
UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS REALLY DON'T SAY SEDONA TOO MUCH.
UM, AND SO I THINK AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, SOME OF THAT IS GOING TO BE A DISCOVERY IN SOME WAYS, WHAT REALLY IS SEDONA, WHAT REALLY MATTERS IN TERMS OF CHARACTER.
AND UM, AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THE FUNNEST PARTS OF THE DISCUSSION HONESTLY, IS YOU'VE GOT SOME GUIDELINES THAT HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE THE CITY WAS INCORPORATED NEAR BOUTS.
AND, UM, AND I THINK THAT IS WHEN WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT COME IN AND SAY, MASSING IS DUMB, WE DON'T NEED IT.
UM, NOW I'M NOT SAYING PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY THAT, BUT LET'S JUST SAY IT HAPPENS, THEN I THINK IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT TO ALSO BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, WE HEAR YOU.
LET'S LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE AND SEE WHAT IT DOES.
NOW THAT WE'VE HAD THE DISCUSSION OF CONTEXT AND CHARACTER, DO WE STILL AGREE THAT IT'S STUPID? AND I THINK THAT KIND OF DIALOGUE IS THE KIND OF DIALOGUE THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY NEED TO HAVE, UM, AS WE'RE LOOKING TO EVOLVE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THOSE THINGS WEREN'T TESTED AS MUCH AS I THINK PEOPLE HAVE LIKED TO HAVE HEARD THEM TESTED.
WE MAY STILL END UP WITH THE SAME TYPES OF THINGS MASSING MAY TURN OUT TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME AFTER WE'RE DONE.
BUT I THINK HAVING THAT COMMUNITY DIALOGUE AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SAY, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY NOW WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY MEANT IN 1990 WHEN THEY INSTALLED THAT.
SO, UM, SO I THINK HAVING THAT DIALOGUE IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT.
THE CONSULTANT'S GONNA WRITE WHAT WE AS A BODY TELL THEM TO WRITE.
SO, UM, GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE.
UM, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE WILL DISAGREE WITH THIS, UH, EXCEPT THE PEOPLE THAT HAD TO PUT IT UP WITH IT IN THE CURRENT CODE.
BUT OUR HEIGHTS ARE TOO SHORT.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 22 FEET.
22 FEET ASSUMES THAT YOUR CEILINGS ARE EIGHT FEET.
NOW, MOST HOUSES TODAY, MOST COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS TODAY AREN'T EIGHT FOOT TALL CEILINGS.
THEY'RE NINE AND 10 OR HIGHER FOOT CEILINGS.
SO THE HEIGHTS OF YOUR BUILDINGS NOW NEED THEY WERE WHEN THE CODE WAS WRITTEN.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
SO IT'S NOT THAT THE CODE IS WRONG, IT'S THE CODE IN THAT SECTION IS OUTDATED.
SO IN THAT CASE, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT INCREASING THE HEIGHTS A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN WE GET TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION OF WHITE HEIGHTS LOOK LIKE AND HOW MUCH REGULATE HOW MUCH SHOULD WE BE INVOLVED IN HEIGHTS.
SO BACK TO YOUR POINT, THAT ALSO BEGS A GOOD QUESTION.
HOW ABOUT THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF HAVING LESS CODE SO THAT
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WE DON'T INHIBIT CREATIVITY AND PEOPLE'S AUTONOMY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR PROPERTIES? YEAH.SO DO WE REALLY WANNA CREATE MORE CODE AND MORE RULES, OR DO WE WANNA LOOK AT CREATING AN EASIER CODE THAT'S A GUIDE THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO DO WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO DO? YEAH.
WITHIN, YOU KNOW, REASON AND I THINK WITHIN REASON IS GOING TO BE THE BIG QUESTION.
HOW DO WE DEFINE WHAT DOES REASON LOOK LIKE? GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE.
FRANK, GARY, ARCHITECT ROB WILL KNOW WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT.
UM, FRANK GARY DID A PROJECT IN LOS ANGELES.
THEY DID NOT ALLOW CHAIN LINK FENCE ON THE PROPERTY.
SO HE PUT IT, HE WRAPPED THE SECOND STORY OF A BUILDING IN CHAINLINK FENCE.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT WITHIN REASON? MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY, I WAS A STUDENT WHEN HE DID IT.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY DAMN COOL.
I WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS BEING BUILT.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT MM-HMM
WHETHER OTHER PEOPLE WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, YEAH, THAT'S A BRILLIANT IDEA.
BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE GET TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
WHERE DOES CREATIVITY MEET CHARACTER MM-HMM
AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE SO THAT WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE MEAN BY CHARACTER.
BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK ROB'S GOT A GOOD POINT.
IF YOU LOOK AT BLACKROCK, AND I'M NOT PICKING ON 'EM, THEY WORKED WITHIN THE CODE.
UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SAY, WOW, THAT IS EXACTLY THE WAY SEDONA SHOULD LOOK.
UM, AND SO I THINK THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND THEN SEE HOW DO WE FIT CREATIVITY INTO THAT.
I'M, I'M A HUGE FAN OF LETTING ARCHITECTS PLAY, UM, AND SEE WHAT KIND OF CREATIVE THINGS THEY CAN COME UP WITH.
I LIKE CODES THAT GIVE THEM GUARDRAILS AND SAY, HERE'S OUR CHARACTER.
THIS IS WHAT WE LIKE, NOW GO HAVE FUN.
UM, AND SO THAT MAY BE MORE FLEXIBILITY.
I'M SORRY, JOE, I I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE.
TONY, I YOU WANNA FINISH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND THEN I'LL CHECK IN.
SO I, UM, I WANTED TO ALSO ASK ON THE COMMENT SECTION, ARE YOU GONNA LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF COMMENTS THAT PEOPLE CAN MAKE OUR LOGIN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO.
I, I WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THE FREEDOM TO, TO SAY WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO SAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WILL IN, IN THIS, AS WE DID WITH THE BALANCE HOUSING STRATEGY, AND AS WE WILL WITH THE CFA PLAN, ET CETERA, THE THING THAT I WILL REQUEST OF EVERYONE IS CIVILITY.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL HERE TO DO THIS THING TOGETHER.
UM, AND PART OF THAT MEANS THAT WE, WE HAVE THE, UH, UM, WE HAVE GOOD RUGGED DEBATE AND, UH, WE CAN ALL DISAGREE AND HAVE FUN WITH THE DISAGREEMENT, BUT, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT THIS TO BECOME A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE DRAW FISTICUFFS.
SO WE'LL, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL REGULATE ACCORDINGLY, BUT I WANT PEOPLE TO, IF I WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE GOOD QUALITY DISCUSSION AND DEBATE AND BE OKAY WITH THAT.
SO I HOPE THEY, I HOPE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMMENT.
DO YOU, SO MY, MY OTHER COMMENT IS REALLY KIND OF GOING ALONG WITH WHAT'S BEING SPOKEN ABOUT, AND THAT IS WHEN WE SOLICIT COMMUNITY INPUT, AND WE'VE HAD PROJECTS WHERE WE'VE SOLICITED COMMUNITY INPUT, AND IT VERY CLEARLY, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE COMMUNITY HAS HAD ITS IMPACT.
AND THEN WE HAVE OTHER PROJECTS WHERE THE COMMUNITY PUT THEIR INPUT IN A NUMBER OF TIMES, AND THEN ONCE IT FINALLY GETS TO FINAL DECISION MAKING, THERE'S SOME CHANGES OR COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, GETS CONCERNED.
I THINK THAT THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY, YOU KNOW, PROJECT THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON THIS PROJECT, THE FUTURE CFA PROJECT, I THINK THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THE TRUST BACK TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE CARE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS A TIME WHAT WE HAVE WITH OUR, WITH OUR GOVERNMENT AND THE COMMUNITY LOOKING AT OUR GOVERNMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IDEA OF TRANSPARENCY, WHICH IS THERE, BUT ALSO THAT THEY'RE BEING HEARD AND THEY'RE SEEING THE OUTCOME AND PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES OR RULES OR CODE IN THE FUTURE.
SO I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT.
UM, THE, YOU KNOW, CULTURAL PARK JUST KIND OF BLEW UP IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS, GOOD AND BAD.
UM, BUT IT GAVE A LOT OF FOLKS A DISSATISFIED TASTE IN PARTICIPATING IN CITY DRIVEN INPUT, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY INPUT, REQUESTING COMMUNITY INPUT FROM THE CITY OR FROM THE COMMUNITY.
SO I THINK, UM, I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT
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HAPPENS WITH THIS.AND I DO BELIEVE IT'S A HARD ONE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'LL COME IN, IT WILL COME TO US, WE'LL GO BACK AND FORTH, WE'LL LOOK FOR COMMUNITY INPUT, WE'LL FINALIZE IT, AND WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL.
AND NOW THEY'LL DO THE SAME PROCESS.
SO HOPEFULLY THIS TIME WE'RE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, SEE SOME CHANGE THAT'S COMMUNITY DRIVEN AS WELL, UH, JUST TO INCREASE THE TRUST WITH THE COMMUNITY AND CITY DRIVEN PROJECT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF MY LITTLE STATEMENT ON THAT.
SO, UM, I READ IN THE RED ROCK NEWS, UH, COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE CITY ALL THE TIME FROM PEOPLE IN COTTONWOOD AND IN, UH, THE VOC ET CETERA.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR BUILDERS, UH, AND OTHERS THAT MAY LIVE IN THOSE COMMUNITIES.
CLEARLY WE WANT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.
BUT IS THERE ANY CONTROL OVER, UM, A HUGE AMOUNT OF INPUT FROM PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN RIM ROCK, UM, DECIDING WHAT THE LDC SHOULD LOOK LIKE IN SEDONA? OF COURSE.
AND PART OF THAT IS WHEN WE MAKE THIS COMPLETELY PUBLIC WITH, WITH YOU YOUR, UM, GIVING YOUR INFORMATION AS VOLUNTARY, THEN WE ARE OPENING THE DOOR TO SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN ALBUQUERQUE TO GIVE THEIR OPINION.
SO, UM, WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS THERE.
AND THIS IS WHERE I'M ALWAYS, IT'S THAT FINE LINE, RIGHT? IS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ASK PEOPLE TO SIGN IN, UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHO'S WHO'S ENGAGING US, AND WE CAN MAKE THAT A REQUIREMENT.
UM, SO WE'LL KNOW IF YOU'RE COMING FROM ALBUQUERQUE RIM ROCK, YOU KNOW, COMING IN FOR VERDE VALLEY, YOU NAME IT.
UM, THE OTHER HAND IS, WE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LOSE THE ABILITY TO MAKE A STATEMENT AND FEEL LIKE, UM, IF I'M A BUILDER, SOMETIMES I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO TELL YOU WHO I AM.
I WANNA TELL YOU THE EXPERIENCE I HAD AND IT WASN'T GOOD.
BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH ME.
I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A BUILDER.
SO IT'S THAT FINE LINE OF, I, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM.
I WOULD LOVE TO THINK THAT IF I SAID, HEY, WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS IN HERE, JUST SIGN UP.
UM, TRUST SEEMS TO BE IN SOMEWHAT SHORT SUPPLY, UM, RIGHT NOW IN THIS COMMUNITY.
SO I WOULD BE OPEN TO, TO Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS AS TO WHICH WAY YOU'D LIKE TO GO, BECAUSE I'M HAPPY RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT IT COMPLETELY OPEN.
BUT WE CAN HAVE IT SET UP FOR SIGN-INS SO THAT, UH, PEOPLE CAN TELL US WHO THEY ARE, WHERE THEY'RE FROM, THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, SO THAT WE BETTER HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHO OUR AUDIENCE IS.
I THINK IF SOMEONE ADDRESSES THAT THEY ARE AND, UH, FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA YEAH.
THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME RANKING PRIORITY OR SOMETHING, UM, AS OPPOSED TO ANONYMOUS.
UH, I, I MEAN THAT SOMETHING COULD BE WORKED OUT WHERE YOU'RE REALLY HEARING FROM THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, UM, THAT DEAL WITH THE ISSUES THAT THERE ARE AS OPPOSED THAT, UM, UH, YOU JUST WANNA COMMENT? SURE.
UM, I, I JUST WOULDN'T WANT, UM, CERTAIN GROUPS FROM CERTAIN AREAS OF THE STATE OR EVEN OUTTA STATE DECIDING WHAT OUR COMMUNITY IS GONNA BE LIKE IN SEDONA.
'CAUSE YOU CAN DO, ARE YOU, YOU KNOW, A BUILDER, AN ARCHITECT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST EVEN IF YOU DON'T PUT THEIR NAME DOWN AND ARE YOU A CITIZEN OF THE CITY OF SEDONA? ARE YOU A CITIZEN OF BUR VALLEY? AT LEAST SHE'D GET SOME IDEAS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OTHER, THEN YOU WOULD KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEIR INFLUENCE IS.
I THINK THAT'S A, I THINK THAT'S BRILLIANT.
WELL, BECAUSE IT DOES GIVE US, BECAUSE WE, WE DO WANNA HEAR FROM PROFESSIONALS, BUT WE MAY NOT WANT TO HEAR FROM SALLY SMITH IN FLORIDA.
'CAUSE HER GRANDMOTHER USED TO LIVE HERE 40 YEARS AGO AND SHE WANTS TO TELL US ABOUT IT.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I I CAN SEE THAT.
I MEAN, SHE'S, THEIR, THEY'RE WILLING TO MAKE THEIR COMMENT, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, MAYBE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST KNOW THAT, HEY, THIS IS COMING FROM OUT OF STATE.
'CAUSE OUT STATE INFLUENCE IN ARIZONA IS A BIG ISSUE.
I THINK IF WE CAN, UM, LET ME CHECK AND SEE WHAT I CAN, WHAT I CAN GET AWAY WITH, UM, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE SOFTWARE WE HAVE, IT'S A PRETTY GOOD SOFTWARE, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIND A TRICK.
I LIKE, I LIKE THE IDEA OF CHECK THE BOX MM-HMM
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MY QUESTION.SO I LIKE KNOWING WHERE WE'RE GOING BEFORE WE GET THERE.
AND IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECT, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH A ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, THEN WE HIRE A CONSULTANT, THEY TAKE ALL THAT INFORMATION, AND THEY COME BACK WITH SOMETHING MM-HMM
UM, AND THEN IT'S APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
IT GOES TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR RECOMMENDATION, THEN APPROVAL BY COUNSEL.
SO DOES THIS BODY, UM, SO IN OUR APPROVAL PROCESS, DOES THIS BODY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SAY TO, TO THE CODE CONSULTANT OR STAFF RECOMMENDATION, CHANGE THIS TO THAT? YEAH, YOU CAN MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND DOES, THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF YOUR FINAL RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE YOUR DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU SEE.
AND I EXPECT YOU WON'T GET IT LIKE ALL AT ONE TIME AND BE EXPECTED TO READ IT AND GET ONE SHOT AT IT.
SO BY RECOMMENDATION, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE DOCUMENT GETS CHANGED UNTIL WE APPROVE IT? OR DOES THE DOCUMENT COME TO US AND WE SAY WE APPROVE IT WITH THESE CHANGES? SO BECAUSE YOU'RE A RECOMMENDING BODY AND NOT AN APPROVAL BODY MM-HMM
THEN IT COMES TO YOU, COUNSEL WILL ULTIMATELY HAVE THE SAY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING GETS CHANGED.
BUT, UM, WE'LL GO THROUGH SEVERAL, WE'LL GO THROUGH, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE COMING TO YOU.
THEY'LL, THE CONSULTANT'S SELECTED.
UM, AND WE'LL HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THIS BODY ON THAT REVIEW COMMITTEE TO HELP US MAKE THAT DECISION.
SO YOU'LL BE A PART OF THE SELECTION PROCESS AS A BODY.
BUT SO THE, SO THE FINAL DOCUMENT THAT COMES TO US AFTER THAT PROCESS, WE RECOMMEND IT AS IS OR WITH CHANGES.
ON THAT, ON THAT LAST RECOMMENDATION ROUND.
NOW THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION ROUND, THEY'LL GO BACK AND, AND, UH, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE NICE THING IS THERE'S A COUPLE OF REALLY GOOD FIRMS OUT THERE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT I LIKE BECAUSE YOU MAY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEY MAY BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND SAY, UM, WELL, COMMISSIONER, YES, I HEAR YOU.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT.
DO YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME WAY? MM-HMM
SO, UM, TO HELP WITH, WITH SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION, THIS IS ALL GONNA BE ACTIVE DIALOGUE.
I THINK WITH Y'ALL, WITH THE COMMUNITY, ET CETERA.
AND, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PARTS OF THIS CODE THAT I REALLY LIKE.
THERE ARE PARTS OF IT THAT I LIKE A LOT LESS.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK, I THINK EVERYTHING IS FAIR GAME FOR ACTIVE DISCUSSION.
IT, ALL OF IT SHOULD BE ACTIVE DISCUSSION.
UM, THE AMOUNT THAT GETS CHANGED, WE'LL KNOW AT THE END, BUT I THINK EVERYTHING, WE SHOULD NEVER BE AFRAID TO, TO LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE OUNCE OF IT AND SAY, IS THIS REALLY SMART? AND I, I WANT TO CONCLUDE BY SAYING, I, I HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT THIS AS BEING IN THE PROFESSION, AS YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, BUT I AM REALLY EXCITED TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS.
IT'S, I THINK THIS IS A, A IMPORTANT TIME FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA, AND I THINK WHEN WE COME OUT OF THIS ON THE OTHER END, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING MUCH BETTER THAN WE HAVE.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS.
BASED ON WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID, UM, ON THE, WHO'S LISTENING MM-HMM
DO YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT WE SHOULD BE LISTED AS WELL TO RECEIVE COMMENTS OR NO.
NOT SURE HOW EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS ABOUT THAT, BUT IT, IT'S, I MEAN, SO THE OTHER THING I WILL TELL YOU IS THE NICE THING ABOUT THIS, AND SINCE WE'RE IN THE BACK END OF THIS, I CAN SHOW YOU, UM, THERE'S A REPORTING FUNCTION OKAY.
THAT WE CAN GIVE YOU REGULAR UPDATES IF YOU DON'T NECESSARILY WANT YOUR NAME ON THE FRONT OF IT.
BUT I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH US GIVING YOU LIKE EVERY TWO WEEKS OR SOMETHING, A NEW UPDATE.
I'M VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING EVERY SINGLE COMMENT THAT COMES IN.
SO HOWEVER THAT CAN BE MADE EASY.
IT'S NICE BECAUSE IT HAS A CERTAIN, IT HAS A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT IT CAN GIVE YOU CONTEXT MM-HMM
UM, AND SO WE CAN, WE CAN PUT TOGETHER COMMENTS.
I'M HAPPY TO DO WHICHEVER WAY Y'ALL WOULD PLEASE OR WOULD WANT.
SO IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THAT, YOU KNOW WHO'S LISTING PIECE, UM, AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO PUT YOUR NAME UP THERE.
UM, OTHERWISE WHAT WE CAN DO IS, I'M GUESSING FROM THE LOOKS, MAYBE WE DO IT THE OTHER WAY.
AND THEN WHAT WE CAN DO IS IF EVERY TWO WEEKS IS GOOD FOR Y'ALL, IT'LL BE TWO MONTHS RIGHT.
SO THAT MEANS YOU WOULD BE UPDATED FOUR TIMES.
UM, AS FAR AS WHAT KIND OF COMMENTS WE GET, THE OTHER NICE THING ABOUT THAT FEEDBACK IS, LET'S SAY THAT WE DO IT THIS WAY AND AFTER TWO WEEKS WE'RE NOT GETTING A LOT OF DIALOGUE.
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THEN MAYBE WE ALL HAVE SOME DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, JUST OF WHAT ARE WE DOING WRONG? WHAT KINDS OF THINGS DO WE NEED TO DO DIFFERENTLY? SO, UH, TO GET THE ENGAGEMENT, I HONESTLY THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE AN UPTICK AFTER WE HAVE YOUR OPEN HOUSE.AND AS SOON AS PEOPLE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO HOBNOB AND GET COMFORTABLE WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR.
I THINK THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA GET SOME PEOPLE REALLY OPEN UP.
DO YOU THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD HOBNOB
I THINK THE IDEA THOUGH IS IN ANY TIME WE HAVE THAT KIND OF A DISCUSSION MM-HMM
IS, UM, LET'S HAVE THE DISCUSSION AS A COMMUNITY BECAUSE THERE ARE GONNA BE CERTAIN PARTS OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT SAY, THAT SOUNDS GREAT.
RIGHT? AND, UM, SO, AND AGAIN, IT'S AWARENESS AND EDUCATION, RIGHT? YEAH.
HAVING ALL OF THE INFORMATION IN ORDER TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR THE MOST PEOPLE INVOLVED.
I'M A HUGE FAN OF NO PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, I'M A BIGGER FAN IN A PLACE LIKE PHOENIX MM-HMM
UM, THAN I AM IN A PLACE LIKE SEDONA.
UM, SMALL TOWNS, IT MAKES A, IT IMPACT IS BIGGER AS THE COMMUNITY IS SMALLER AS WE START TO THINK OF THOSE THINGS.
NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, I'M ALSO A BIG FAN OF SAYING, OKAY, IF ZERO IS NOT THE ANSWER, HOW LOW CAN WE TAKE IT? RIGHT.
WELL IT JUST PROVIDES MORE FLEXIBILITY.
SO I THINK THAT'S, BUT THAT'S WHERE GOOD HEALTHY DISCUSSION HAPPENS, RIGHT? RIGHT.
IS ON THOSE PARTS THAT MAKE PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE IS LET'S HAVE THAT KIND OF DIALOGUE AND SEE WHAT COMES OUT OF IT.
WHAT'S THE WORST THAT CAN HAPPEN? YEAH.
SO WE END UP BACK WHERE WE WERE.
WELL AT LEAST WE HAD THE TALK.
SO WHAT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ROB MADE AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION IF THE CODE WAS, IF YOU'RE BUCKETS WERE JUST MM-HMM
WHAT ABOUT THINGS THAT DON'T EXIST? FOR EXAMPLE, SITE STEWARDSHIP AND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AS A CODE NEW CODE SECTION OR THE 2024 COMMUNITY PLAN HAD A PRETTY ROBUST ENVIRONMENTAL AND SUSTAINABILITY SECTION.
AND THAT'S SORT OF SOMETHING THAT'S MISSING IN, IN SUB IN SUBSTANCE FROM OUR CURRENT CODE.
AND THEN ALSO YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT ADAPTIVE REUSE.
LIKE THAT'S ALSO A REALLY BIG MISSING HOLE, I THINK IS OUR ABILITY TO DO, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENT ADAPTIVE REUSE.
SO WHERE WOULD THAT BE IN THE BUCKETS IF PEOPLE WANTED TO MAKE OTHER, SEEMS A LITTLE BIT BROAD FOR YEAH.
WELL, AND ONE THING THAT I THINK IS, AND GOING BACK TO THE COMMENT OF, UM, GOSH, I, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH OF THE COMMISSIONERS ACTUALLY SAID THIS, SO I'LL APOLOGIZE.
BUT ONE OF Y'ALL SAID SOMETHING REALLY GREAT.
UM, BUT THE, I, NOT THAT EVERYTHING ELSE WASN'T GREAT TOO, UM, BUT THE, UM, THE IDEA THAT WE ARE AT ALMOST BUILD OUT AT THIS POINT.
SO ACTUALLY IT WAS WILL, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE FRAME OUT TO WHAT CONSULTANT WE WANNA GET, THEN WE SHOULD ADD THAT IN THERE MM-HMM
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING, 'CAUSE THERE ARE FIRMS THAT SPECIALIZE IN LOVE GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT MM-HMM
IT'S NEW GROWTH BECAUSE THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY TO DO THINGS.
WE HAVE A LITTLE OF THAT LEFT, BUT A LOT OF WHAT WE DO IS REDO AT THIS POINT.
AND SO WE NEED CONSULTANTS THAT UNDERSTAND MM-HMM
THAT IF I AM, YOU KNOW, NICK'S ON THE WEST SIDE RIGHT OVER HERE AT 89 A FOR EXAMPLE, AND WE BEEF UP OUR LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, THERE IS NOT A CHANCE THAT THEY CAN COMPLY.
UM, AND SO WHAT ALTERNATIVES WOULD THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO COME IN TO STAY IN COMPLIANCE SO THAT THEY'RE NOT FOREVER NON-COMPLIANT? RIGHT.
SO HAVING THAT DISCUSSION, THAT'S, THAT'S A GROUP THAT REALLY UNDERSTANDS REDEVELOPMENT AND ADAPTIVE REUSE.
SO TO YOUR POINT, I THINK WE CAN HAVE THAT.
I HATE TO SEE IT IN THE OTHER CATEGORY, BUT IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING MORE CREATIVE, WE CAN DROP IT IN THERE, WHICH SHOULD JUST BE OUT OF THE BOX.
I MEAN, WE'RE THINKING OUT OUTSIDE OF THE LITTLE PARAMETERS THAT WE'RE IN, IT WOULD SEEM LIKE NUMBER 10 WOULD BE NOT JUST OTHER, BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE WE DO SAY OUTTA THE BOX.
AND HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE THAT WANNA, YOU KNOW, IN MY EXPERIENCE, PEOPLE ARE HESITANT TO, YOU KNOW, ADAPT
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TO REUSE OR MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTIES OR DO ANY OF THAT JUST BECAUSE IT'S JUST WAY TOO HARD.SO WHEN LOOKING AT MAINTAINING PROPERTIES OR UPGRADING PROPERTIES, LIKE THERE'S SORT OF LIKE TWO BUCKETS.
THERE'S LIKE MAINTENANCE, WHICH SHOULD BE EASY AND NOT REQUIRE A LOT OF JURISDICTIONAL OVERSIGHT.
AND THEN THERE'S SORT OF LIKE THE REMODELING OR ALTERATION SIDE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT, YOU KNOW, TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF THOUGHT I THINK.
I MEAN, AND I DON'T HAVE THIS FIGURED OUT, BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS IT, WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT JUST MAKES IT EASIER.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, WE'RE IT'S JUST, IT'S SO IT CAN BE SO COMPLICATED.
WELL, AND I THINK WE'RE ALSO ALONG THAT SAME LINE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT BUCKETS, IF YOU WILL.
BECAUSE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE IS ACTUALLY A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
UM, AND WE'LL WE PLAN ON, UM, STEVE PLANS ON BRINGING THAT FORWARD.
STEVE MERTIS PLANS ON BRINGING THAT FORWARD FOR CONSIDERATION BY COUNCIL.
UM, ON SEPTEMBER 8TH, HE'S REQUESTING AN UPDATE TO THE REST OF THE ICC CODES TO GET US UP TO THE 20, 24 CODES LIKE THE REST OF OUR PARTNERS IN THE VERDE VALLEY.
UM, BUT UM, BUT WE STARTED THAT DISCUSSION INCLUDING THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, BUT THERE WERE SO MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE NEW FOR SEDONA IF WE DO ADOPT IT, UM, THAT WE DECIDED TO SEPARATE THE TWO MM-HMM
SO HE'LL BRING THAT BACK LATER IN THE YEAR TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
SO THERE'LL BE THAT SIDE, WHICH WILL BE THE MAINTENANCE PIECE.
THE ADAPTATION PIECE IS ABSOLUTELY IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO WE'LL NEED TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO.
I JUST HOPE WE KIND OF LEAN MORE TOWARDS A, A PROGRESSIVE CODE THAT'S LESS CODE THAT IS REALLY MORE OF A GUIDE THAN RULES THAT ARE VERY RESTRICTIVE.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S ALSO WHERE WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION OF WHAT IS, SO I'VE GOT, I'LL BRING IT NEXT TIME I, NEXT TIME I COME BEFORE Y'ALL, BUT I'VE GOT A GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS THAT YOUR STANDARD CODE TYPICALLY SITS HERE.
THAT'S THE THING THAT BASICALLY SAYS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO LIVE WITH.
RIGHT? IT'S NOT YOUR ASPIRATIONAL PIECE.
YOUR ASPIRATIONAL PIECE IS UP HERE AND THAT'S WHERE INCENTIVES LIVE.
SO THAT YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I WANT, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY I'VE GOT THIS NUTTY IDEA AND IT'S GONNA REQUIRE ME ON ONE LITTLE SPOT TO GO UP TO THREE STORIES, RIGHT? SO I WANT THE ABILITY TO DO THAT, BUT THE CODE SAYS NO.
YOU KNOW, CAN I SHOW YOU SOMETHING THAT'S CREATIVE AND DOES IT HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY MM-HMM
TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S KIND OF COOL AND IT DOESN'T IMPEDE VIEWS, LET'S, LET'S GO FOR IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT KIND OF THING, THAT KIND OF GIVE AND TAKE IS THE BEAUTY OF A CODE, BUT IT'S HARD TO FIND A GOOD CODE WRITER THAT CAN DO IT.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO BE REALLY PICKY ON WHICH CONSULTANT WE CHOOSE.
'CAUSE I WOULD SAY OF ALL THE, ALL OF THEM I KNOW, MAYBE FIVE MM-HMM
AND THAT'S A GOOD GUESS AS TO THAT CAN ACTUALLY THINK IN, IN THE WORLD OF CREATIVE FREEDOM MM-HMM
SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IN OUR CODE IS THAT IF, IF I HAD A PERFECT WORLD CODE, AND THE WAY I LIKE TO WRITE THEM IS THAT YOU HAVE YOUR BASE AND YOU HAVE YOUR ASPIRATIONAL STUFF, WE'LL GIVE A LITTLE IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO HELP NUDGE YOU MM-HMM
SO, BUT I'M NOT REQUIRING YOU TO GO TO HERE.
SO IT JUST, UH, BUT WE CAN OFFER REDUCED PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
WE CAN DO CERTAIN TYPES OF THINGS.
ALL I ASK IN RETURN IS YOU DESIGN IT THIS WAY TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.
SO THAT'S THE KIND OF GIVE AND TAKE THAT WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT WITHIN A CODE THAT, THAT GIVES YOU FLEXIBILITY.
UM, YOU MAY END UP HANGING ONTO A COUPLE REQUIREMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU COULD GO LOWER IF YOU WANTED TO, BUT BY HAVING THE INCENTIVE MM-HMM
YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE SOME OF THAT FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE BACK AND FORTH.
WITH ALL THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CONSULTANT, WILL ANYBODY FROM THE COMMISSION SIT ON THE SELECTION COMMITTEE AND WILL ANY GENERAL PUBLIC SIT ON THE SELECTION COMMITTEE? OR WILL IT JUST BE STAFF? IT WON'T JUST BE STAFF.
SO WE'LL DEFINITELY WANT, UM, AT LEAST ONE COMMISSIONER.
I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST NO MORE THAN TWO, UM, BE ON THERE.
AND, UM, AND I WOULD HAVE NO ISSUE WITH BRINGING SOMEONE ELSE IN TO BE A PART OF THAT SELECTION COMMITTEE THAT'S OUTSIDE, WHETHER IT'S A RESIDENT OR A BUILDER OR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT.
UM, I'LL SIT ON THE COMMITTEE.
UM, AND, UH, AND THEN I THINK WE WOULD DEFINITELY WANT CARRIE ON THE COMMITTEE.
I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE FROM STAFF WE WOULD WANT ON THE COMMITTEE.
WE'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN WORK THROUGH ALL OF THAT WHEN WE'RE BUILDING THE RFP AS TO WHAT THAT COMMITTEE SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO I'M FLEXIBLE AND DEFINITELY OPEN TO HEARING THOUGHTS ON THAT.
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YEAH.IF, UH, SO I WOULD ASK ON THE DATE FOR THE OPEN HOUSE, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS.
WHAT'S YOUR EXPECTATION FOR LIKE YEAH.
LENGTH AND SO I WOULD SAY ONE AND A HALF TO TWO HOURS.
UM, GIVE YOURSELF, AND I WOULD PERSONALLY SUGGEST OPEN FORUM.
THAT WAY IT'S AN OPEN HOUSE FORMAT.
PEOPLE CAN COME IN, THEY CAN GIVE YOU THEIR COMMENTS.
UM, IT ALLOWS YOU THE FREEDOM AS A BOARD TO MIX WITH THE CROWD AND TALK TO PEOPLE.
UM, AND, UH, AND JUST HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO INTERACT WITH PEOPLE AND, AND YOU AS A BOARD, AS, AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, GETTING THAT FIRSTHAND DIALOGUE FROM PEOPLE IN THAT OPEN H HOUSE FORMAT.
YOU'RE NOT HEARING IT FROM US.
WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SCRIBE SOME THINGS, YOU KNOW, ON PAGES AND WE CAN SET IT UP IN STAGES.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WAY WORKS BEST IN TERMS OF, OF BOARDS.
BUT WE CAN HAVE STAFF AT THE DIFFERENT BOARDS AND THEN YOU ALL GET TO ROAM AROUND AND TALK TO PEOPLE AND, UH, AND LET 'EM KNOW THAT YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT WHAT THEY SAY AND, AND HEAR WHAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING.
BUT, UM, BUT I'M OPEN TO PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND AND, AND WE DO NEED A DATE.
I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT ON MULTIPLE LEVELS.
UM, ESPECIALLY LIKE DEVELOPING A NEW PARK, LET'S SAY, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THE BOARD AND POST-IT NOTES AND JUST HAVING PEOPLE, THE, THE FREEDOM TO EITHER HAVE A CONVERSATION OR TO WRITE WHAT THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, LIKE DIFFERENT SIZE POST-ITS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S REALLY AMAZING.
SOME PEOPLE JUST WRITE KIND OF LIKE CODE.
OTHER PEOPLE WILL WRITE A DISSERTATION.
AND I THINK IT, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO DO IT.
AND I HAVE FOUND WHEN COMMISSIONERS ARE LESS, OR YOU KNOW, AND THIS NOT A COMMISSIONER, BUT IN, AS A BOARD MEMBER NOT ENGAGED IN AN OFFICIAL WAY, YOU'RE ABLE TO MOVE AROUND AND TALK TO FOLKS.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY GREAT WAY TO KEEP FOLKS ENGAGED.
JOE, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO, I'M GOOD.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE SEE YOU
AND ALSO CARRIE OPENING TO THE PUBLIC.
DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT ANYWAY? THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, SO PUBLIC.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WASN'T MESSING SOMETHING UP.
[6. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS]
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE 24TH, BUT I'M, I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE ON THE 24TH.24TH WAS A COMPLETE MADE UPDATE.
THE 24TH WAS THE EARLIEST DATE THAT WE THOUGHT THE EARLIEST.
WE COULD GET SOMETHING TOGETHER BY, IT WAS NOT A, OKAY.
WHERE WILL IT TAKE PLACE? SO I, SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY.
I WAS TALKING TO THE CHAIRMAN EARLIER, CARRIE AND I WERE YESTERDAY ABOUT, AND, AND THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE QUESTION.
UM, I WOULD SUGGEST EITHER THE HUB, I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
EITHER ONE OF THOSE TWO, THEY'RE, THEY ARE SWITZERLAND AS FAR AS, UH, NEUTRAL TERRITORY GOES AND PEOPLE GENERALLY, I LIKE THE HUB.
I THINK THAT WORKS FOR THE HOUSING.
WE'LL JUST NEED TO TALK TO PARKS AND REC I TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S AVAILABLE ON WHICHEVER DATE YOU END UP CHOOSING.
ARE WE THINKING DURING THE WORKING DAY? AFTER THE WORKING DAY, AGAIN, YOUR CALL, UM, THIS IS WHERE I HAVE TO TELL, I HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE BETTER THAN I DO BECAUSE YOU LIVED HERE LONGER THAN ME.
SO HOW ARE WE GONNA GRAB THE MOST PEOPLE? SO I
AND ACTUALLY WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL, IF THE BOARD IS OKAY WITH IT, AND IT'LL BE DONE COMPLETELY ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS, I'LL REACH OUT TO ONE OR TWO PEOPLE AND ASK IF ANYBODY WOULD BE OPEN TO THE IDEA OF SPONSORING.
UM, A LITTLE BIT OF, IF NOTHING ELSE THAN SNACKS AND DRINKS.
SO THAT WAY WE'VE GOT SOME MONEY IN THE BUDGET.
UM, BUT IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE ROBUST THAN THAT, THEN WE CAN DO LIKE WHAT WE DID AT THE HOUSING THINK TANK WHERE WE ASKED SOMEBODY AND WE GOT A SPONSOR.
SO TO SEE, I WOULD THINK WE'D WANT IT AFTER WORK.
SO THAT LIKE FIVE TO SEVEN OR YEAH.
ANYBODY THAT, YOU KNOW, FIVE 30.
I MEAN I CAN GO FIVE 30 TO SEVEN 30, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T, I THINK I WENT TO THE HOUSING ONE, BUT THERE WAS ALSO ANOTHER ONE THAT TOOK PLACE AT THE LIBRARY.
AND IT WAS COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS.
IT WAS WITH SENIOR CITIZENS AND FAMILIES SPECIFICALLY.
AND I DID ENJOY ROTATING THROUGH THE, I LIKED THAT FORM A LITTLE BIT THERE.
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BUT THERE WAS SOME COMPLAINT FOR US PARENTS.FIVE 30 IS LIKE DINNER TIME AND YOU'RE LIKE, WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? SO I SAW THAT THE, ONE OF THE LATER, THE NEWEST MEETINGS AT THE LIBRARY, THEY'RE ALSO PROVIDING BABYSITTING.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S RAN THROUGH THE CITY.
I WAS GONNA CHECK AND SEE IF I SAW IT ON THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE OR SOMETHING.
BUT JUST THAT IN MIND TOO, 'CAUSE I WENT TO QUITE A FEW AND A, A BUNCH OF HIS PARENTS WERE LIKE, WE HAD TO HURRY AND GET DINNER AND THEN MAKE SURE, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S TWO HOURS.
SO I JUST, THE THOUGHT TOO THAT, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW LIKE THE CITY'S MOVED THE TIME AROUND AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH IS BETTER.
I JUST AM CURIOUS WHAT THE CITY FOUND WAS BETTER.
WHAT'S, WHAT IF IT'S LIKE A RESIDENTIAL OPEN HOUSE, WHAT IF IT'S A BIGGER BURDEN ON US? BUT WHAT IF IT WAS MORE OF LIKE A THREE TO SEVEN AND PEOPLE COULD COME AND GO AS THEY, HEY, THAT'S YOUR CALL.
I'M, I'M, I'LL HANG OUT WITH Y'ALL FOR FOUR HOURS.
YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE? I, I WILL SAY TO HARMONY'S POINT, IF ONE OF THE, OKAY, SO I DID THIS IN A MEETING BEFORE, UM, WHERE WE ACTUALLY, I WOULDN'T QUITE CALL IT BABYSITTING PER SE, BUT WHAT WE DID WAS WE HAD LIKE A DESIGN, A COMMUNITY LITTLE EXERCISE FOR KIDS MM-HMM
SO THE KIDS GOT A CHANCE TO PLAY AND, AND BASICALLY IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S ARCHITECTURE WITH LEGOS OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE.
WHERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THE CITY'S DOING IS THEY HAVE COLORING OR ACTIVITIES FOR THE KIDS TO DO WHILE THE PARENTS ARE AT THE MEETING.
SO IT'S AN ACTIVITY BASICALLY TO KEEP PEOPLE OCCUPIED.
OR KIDS OCCUPIED, MAYBE A COUPLE OF ADULTS TOO.
UM, BUT WE COULD DO SOME SIMILAR TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, WE COULD GET SOME VOLUNTEERS TO COME IN AND, AND DO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE DURATION, PROBABLY FOUR HOURS WOULD BE TOO LONG.
BUT IF WE WERE DOING A TWO HOUR WINDOW, WE COULD DEFINITELY, UM, I'VE HAD A LOT OF FUN WITH IT, HONESTLY.
WE WORKED IN ONE COMMUNITY WHERE THE KIDS GOT TO PRESENT THEIR, UH, THEIR, THE RESULTS OF THEIR EXERCISE AFTERWARDS.
IT WAS THE END OF THE PROGRAM.
I MEAN, I GUESS IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE FORM HERE.
I'M GETTING A LITTLE TECHNICAL, BUT THE FORMAT, LIKE, ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT THERE WILL BE LIKE AN OPENING INTRODUCTION IN WHICH CASE EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE PRESENT AND THEN PEOPLE ROAM? OR ARE WE SORT OF GONNA BE LIKE THE DOCENTS THAT GREET PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME IN AND EXPLAIN WHAT'S HAPPENING AND THEN MEET PEOPLE MEANDER ON THEIR WAY? SO I'VE DEALT WITH BOTH, RIGHT.
EVEN INCLUDING THE HOUSING PROCESS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT I WAS TOLD WAS THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPENING THAT EXPLAINED THINGS AT THE SAME TIME ON A, ON AN EXERCISE LIKE THIS, WHEN WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN WANDER LIKE YOURSELVES, THEN I WOULD SAY DON'T DO THE OPENING REMARKS.
AND AS PEOPLE COME IN, SET UP TO GREET, LET PEOPLE KNOW WHY YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE HERE FOR 'EM.
CIRCULATE AROUND, GIVE THEM BASICALLY THE 1 0 1, YOU KNOW, TWO MINUTE, YOU KNOW, PITCH.
AND THEN LET THEM GO DO THEIR THING.
AND IF THEY HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, THEY HAVE NOW MADE CONTACT WITH YOU MM-HMM
SO THEY KNOW TO COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, WHAT THE HECK DOES THAT MEAN? UM, SO THAT WAY PEOPLE CAN HAVE THE FREEDOM TO COME IN.
IF KIDS ARE EATING AT FIVE 30, YOU KNOW, YOU COME IN AT SEVEN AND YOU STILL GOT A HALF HOUR TO GO AHEAD AND WALK THROUGH AND MAKE YOUR POINTS, UM, STILL NOT DONE, YOU HIT THE QR CODE AND SAY, OKAY, I'LL FINISH THE REST OF IT ONLINE.
DOES I DOES SIX CAN I DO LIKE, ESPECIALLY, AND THIS IS MORE LIKE DOING PARKS AND REC STUFF WITH NEW PARKS AND NEW SPACES.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY KIDS ARE SUPER IMPORTANT FOR NEW PARKS.
UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT INTRO TABLE, THAT BLOCK TABLE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU FIRST WALK IN THE DOOR, THERE'S CITY STAFF WITH, YOU KNOW, JUST EXPLAINING THE PROCESS AND THEN THE REST OF THE BOARD OR COMMUNITY MEMBERS OR, OR COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE GOING AROUND.
THAT SEEMED TO WORK REALLY WELL.
BUT THE OTHER PART TOO IS, IS TO LOOK TO SEE WHAT KIND OF MARKETING ITEMS THAT MAYBE WE COULD, UH, GET FROM PARKS AND RECS OR FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY GIVEAWAYS, UM, TO FOLKS AS WELL.
LIKE BAGS WITH CITY LOGO ON REUSABLE GARBAGE BAG OR YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, NOT GARBAGE BAGS.
UM, BECAUSE THAT ALSO SEEMED TO LIKE DISENGAGE FOLKS WITH CITY STAFF AND YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WHAT YOUR POCKET OF MARKETING SUPPLIES ARE FOR THE CITY, BUT THAT WOULD BE A NICE WAY TO GIVE OUT SOME GIVEAWAYS AS WELL.
OR LIKE EVEN A COLORING CONTEST.
I USED TO DO THOSE FOR THE POST OFFICE ALL THE TIME.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE IN MANY YEARS.
SO THE CITY SEES THE FAMILIES AND THE FAMILY SEES THE CITY'S WHOLE THING, LIKE A CROSSOVER.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN ENOUGH HERE.
WE, WE DID ONE THAT WAS A LOT OF FUN.
THAT FOR THE KIDS, IT'S LIKE A LEAVE BEHIND.
UM, WHERE IT BECOMES ONE OF THOSE THAT YOU HAVE LITTLE SYMBOLS OR SOMETHING THAT ARE FOUND THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
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DONE AS A TAKEAWAY, THEY CAN STILL DO THE COLORING AND STUFF TOO, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THEY CAN WALK AWAY WITH MM-HMMAND SO THEN THEY CAN SPEND TIME DRAGGING THEIR PARENTS AROUND LOOKING, TRYING TO FIND ALL THE HIDDEN LITTLE GEMS IN THE COMMUNITY TOO.
SO THERE'S ALL SORTS OF WAYS WE CAN HAVE FUN WITH KIDS.
THAT'S HONESTLY THE FUNNEST PART OF THIS IS PUTTING TOGETHER THINGS FOR KIDS.
AND THEY SOMETIMES HAVE SOME PRETTY AMAZING IDEAS.
AR DO YOU THINK SIX 30 TO EIGHT IS BETTER FOR FAMILIES? I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW.
I WAS JUST, THAT'S SOME FEEDBACK I'VE HAD FROM FAMILIES TOO, BUT I THINK HAVING SOMETHING FOR THE KIDS TO DO WOULD BE NICE TOO.
THAT TAKES CARE OF THE DINNERTIME THING.
THAT TAKES CARE OF PEOPLE THAT DO WORK.
UH, AND SOME PEOPLE ARE EARLY TO BED DOWN.
SOME OF US ACTUALLY STAY UP AT LEAST TILL EIGHT.
I WOULD SUGGEST IF WE DO THAT, LET'S GIVE IT A TWO HOUR WINDOW AND DO SIX TO EIGHT.
UM, JUST TO BE SAFE, YOU MAY NOT GET ANYBODY SHOWING UP AT SIX AND THAT'S OKAY.
BUT IT GIVES MORE PEOPLE THE FREEDOM TO COME AND GO BASED ON THEIR SCHEDULE.
I DID NOTICE THAT ONE OF THE LAST MEETING, IT STARTED LIKE AT FOUR 30, BUT THEN BY FIVE 30 IT WAS PACKED.
AND THEN SIX 30, YOU KNOW, SO IT TO TAKE, I JUST NOTICED A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE COME IN LATER, SO IT'S GOOD.
SO DOES THE CITY HAVE A PREFERENCE AS TO THE DAY OF THE WEEK? I WOULD JUST SUGGEST FRIDAY SUGGEST WE DON'T DO ANYTHING NAMED COUNCIL DATES OR COUNCIL WORK SESSIONS OR CARRIE, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? YEAH, I WOULD JUST SAY TUESDAYS ARE USUALLY BAD BECAUSE EITHER YOUR MEETING OR THE COUNCIL IS MEETING.
THE WE COUNCIL OFTEN HAS A MEETING THE WEDNESDAY AFTER THEIR TUESDAY MEETING, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT, IT'S SIX.
MAYBE IT'S NOT AS, I THINK THEIR MEETING, UH, THE MEETING START AT FOUR 30, SO MM-HMM
I WOULD SAY THURSDAYS LOOK GOOD.
I CAN'T DO IT ABOUT SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER.
SO THE THURSDAYS WOULD BE SEPTEMBER 24TH, WHICH I THINK SOMEONE SAID THEY DIDN'T LIKE OCTOBER 1ST.
AND THAT THE 15TH, I WOULD NOT GO ANY LATER THAN THE EIGHTH.
UM, IF WE COULD, BECAUSE WE WANT, WE WANT TO GET PEOPLE EXCITED ABOUT GETTING BACK TO THE WEBSITE AND WE HAVE TO ABOUT THAT TIME START WORKING ON THE REPORT.
THE ONLY DATE ON THURSDAY THAT I CAN'T MAKE IT IS THE FIRST COULD, COULD WE, I'LL SHIFT THINGS.
COULD WE LOOK AT THE 24TH OF SEPTEMBER? MM-HMM
DOES THAT WORK? IT WORKS FOR ME.
CARRIE LOOKS LIKE MAYBE IT DOESN'T WORK FOR HER.
AND I THINK ROB WAS SAYING HE WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE ON THE 24TH.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO IT? UM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO IT IN PLACE OF OUR COMMISSION MEETING OR DO YOU HAVE AGENDA ITEMS FOR US ON THE, UM, SIXTH, SORRY.
UM, I MEAN WE'RE USUALLY, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I DON'T, I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE SIXTH.
I THINK WE WERE THINKING THERE MIGHT BE AN UPTOWN AN ART CFA UPDATE BY THEN, BUT, UM, THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND NOTHING COMING UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SCHEDULE FOR THAT.
WE, WE COULD, WE, WE COULD COME HERE AT FOUR 30 AND START OUR MEETING AND, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OUT OF HERE BY A QUARTER TO SIX.
IF, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE.
WE'RE GONNA BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
NO, I MEAN, SO IF THE EIGHTH WORK FOR YOU, IF YOU HAD A FOUR 30 MEETING HERE AND THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT TOOK LONGER, YOU CAN ALWAYS CONTINUE AN ITEM.
UM, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED TO DO AT FOUR 30, UM, BUT THE EIGHTHS IS OKAY WITH YOU.
TONY, I'M FINE WITH THE EIGHTH AND EVERYBODY'S GOOD FOR THE EIGHTH.
I'M WELL, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S TOO LATE.
WHAT ABOUT MONDAY THE 28TH? I'M OUT.
WE JUST DO IT ON A DAY THAT WE KNOW WE ALL HAVE TO COMMIT TO MEETING
WE CAN, IF WE CAN JUST END THE MEETING YEAH.
AT A CERTAIN TIME SO THAT WE CAN GET OVER TO WHEREVER THE EVENT IS.
AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT THE 24TH DOESN'T WORK FOR? WELL, WE, I, I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW.
OH, WE'RE MISSING THREE BEFORE, IF, IF YOU GAVE ME TWO DAYS, I COULD CONFIRM THAT MAYBE THE 24TH WOULD WORK.
I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF A GOLF TRIP WHEN IT'S GONNA HAPPEN
I WAS, ONE OF THE IDEAS OF WHY I WAS THINKING THE SIX WAS THAT MOST OF THE COMMUNITY KNOWS, WELL THOSE WHO PARENTS KNOW THAT WE HAVE MEETINGS ON THE FIRST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH MM-HMM
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AND SO IF YOU KNOW THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE MORE INCLINED, THEY WOULD BE LIKE, OH, THIS IS A PLACE OF, OR THIS IS IN ADDITION TO A COMMISSION MEETING.
I, I DON'T, ALL THE DATES WORK FOR ME.
DO YOU THINK THE SIXTH IS SOON ENOUGH? YEAH, I THINK THE SIXTH IS FINE.
WHAT'S THE RELEASE? WE CAN DO IT 24TH.
IF, IF THE ONLY THINGS THAT WOULD BE AN UPDATE FOR THE C FFA OR YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE GETTING YOU YEAH.
THINGS THAT COME ALONG LINK WOULD BE A LENGTHY MEETING.
SO WE'RE AT ABOUT 5 45 RIGHT NOW.
SO IF THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD'VE HAD TO END THIS, BUT ANYTHING THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A MORE LENGTHY MEETING WE PROBABLY WOULD KNOW ABOUT BY NOW.
SO IF, IF THE EIGHTH WORKS AND IT'S ONLY TWO DAYS AFTERWARDS, WHY WOULD WE EIGHTH DOESN'T WORK.
BUT IF IT'S JUST, HOW ABOUT THE SEVENTH? BUT IF IT'S, HOW ABOUT THE SEVENTH? SEVENTH DOESN'T WORK.
WE ALL KNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.
SO I SAY WE JUST DONE AND WE'LL VER WE'LL NEED TO VERIFY WITH PARKS AND REC THAT THE, UM, HUB IS AVAILABLE.
AND IF IT'S NOT, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO THE LIBRARY OR YEAH.
WE'LL JUST HAVE TO VERIFY THAT THERE'S A SPACE AVAILABLE THAT NIGHT.
SO, SO WE'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT FOUR 30.
WE DON'T TALK MUCH AND WE GET TO WHERE WE'RE GOING BY SIX.
YOU KNOW, THE P AND Z MEETING AND WE CAN LET YOU KNOW IN ADVANCE.
IT MAY TURN OUT THAT WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE A P AND Z MEETING.
SO WE'LL LET YOU KNOW THEN, TOO.
AND THEN ALL THAT'S LEFT IS LET'S GO HAVE FUN AND PLAY WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
AND MY, MY QUESTION THOUGH IS, IS JUST THINKING ABOUT STAFF LOGISTICS.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE KEY STAFF MEMBERS HERE NOW, AND THOSE KEY STAFF MEMBERS ALSO HAVE TO BE SETTING UP.
SO IS THAT LOGISTICALLY FAIR? IS THAT, IS THAT GONNA BE TOO BIG A BURDEN FOR YOUR STAFF? WE HAVE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS THAT WE CAN MAKE GO SET UP.
I WANNA BE CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT DOES I? WELL, THANK YOU.
WE'LL TELL THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE VOLUNT TELLING THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THEM.
SO, SO JUST TO CONFIRM, WE WILL, UM, IT IS TENTATIVELY OCTOBER 6TH FROM SIX TO EIGHT MM-HMM
BUT WE WILL, UM, VERIFY THAT THERE IS A ROOM AVAILABLE AND CONFIRM THAT WITH YOU IN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS.
ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, I AM GONNA CLOSE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. I FEEL LIKE WE JUST, OTHER THAN WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
AND THEN I GUESS AT, WHAT TIME IS IT? 5 48.