Sep 08, 2026 City Council

TO START.

HOW MANY OF YOU SAW THE SUNSET LAST NIGHT? WASN'T IT FABULOUS? OKAY.

THAT'S WHERE THIS ARC COMES FROM.

UM, TO START THOUGH, I'D LIKE TO THANK A FEW PEOPLE.

UM, THANK YOU TO THIS WONDERFUL PERSON ON MY RIGHT, NANCY, WHO ENCOURAGED THIS EXHIBITION, HAS BEEN AWESOME TO WORK WITH, AND THANK YOU CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR FOR ENCOURAGING THIS KIND OF CREATIVE SHARING IN OUR COMMUNITY.

IT'S JUST WHAT A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY.

UM, AND THANK YOU TO MY FRIENDS.

AND IT'S, I DIDN'T GET THAT .

OH, NOT ONE OF YOUR FRIENDS.

OH, DIDN'T GET THAT, HUH? WELL, THANK YOU TO MY FRIENDS, MY FAMILY, AND ESPECIALLY TO MY, UH, LIFELONG PARTNER, CHARLES, DELAY FOR HIS SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGEMENT MY WHOLE LIFE.

UM, SO ANYWAY, JUST TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW, WHY THE HECK DO I CREATE ART ANYWAY? UM, I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S AN OBSESSION.

IT'S BEEN THAT WAY MY WHOLE LIFE.

I STARTED OUT WITH CRAYONS, AND I JUST WANTED TO VISUALLY SHOW PEOPLE WHAT I WAS THINKING AND FEELING.

AND THAT SEEMED NATURAL TO ME.

AND AS I GREW UP, UM, IT, I DISCOVERED MORE CRAYOLA CRAYONS.

AND NOW WHEN SOMETHING MOVES ME, I WANT TO SHARE THAT SAME SENSE THAT I FELT WHEN I SAW IT.

AND EVEN WHEN THAT MOMENT IS HILARIOUS.

HILARIOUS.

GET IT.

I STUDIED ART THROUGH FORMAL ACADEMIC COURSEWORK, THROUGH, UH, STUDYING WITH MASTER ARTISTS GOING TO GALLERIES.

AND GRADUALLY, AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR OF STUDY AND PRACTICE, THE TECHNIQUES BECAME A LOT EASIER.

AND I COULD FOCUS ON THE WHAT AND THE WHY, AND, BUT STILL TODAY, CREATING ART ISN'T EASY.

I FIND IT'S A MULTI-STEP PROCESS FROM INITIAL SKETCH NEXT, WHICH I DO ALL THE TIME, AND TO SOMETIMES THE WATERCOLOR NEXT, AND THEN FINALLY TO THE FINISHED PIECE.

PIECES THAT I GET TO THIS STAGE, I TRASH BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T SAY WHAT I WANTED IT TO.

AND HONESTLY, MANY

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I WORK PRIMARILY IN WATERCOLOR, PASTEL, AND ACRYLICS.

I LOVE THE IMMEDIACY OF BOTH WATERCOLOR AND PASTEL.

UM, WATERCOLOR'S MY MEDIUM OF CHOICE WHEN WE TRAVEL, BECAUSE IT'S PORTABLE AND IT'S NOT VERY MESSY.

PASTEL USES BRILLIANT COLORS AS I THINK YOU'LL SEE AS YOU LOOK AROUND.

AND I CAN PUT MARKS EXACTLY WHERE I WANT THEM TO BE.

UM, ACRYLICS ARE GREAT BECAUSE I CAN LAYER COLORS AND SHAPES AND GET TO A SLOWLY EVOLVING VISION LIKE THIS ONE HERE.

SO WHY FOCUS ON CLOUDS AND SKY? UM, WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE IN SEDONA ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO FOR TWO MAIN REASONS.

THE FIRST ONE WAS WE COULD AFFORD IT, AND THE SECOND ONE WAS IT HAD BEAUTIFUL BIG WINDOWS THAT FACED WEST, SO WE COULD ALWAYS SEE THE SUNSET AND THE MOUNTAINS.

AND I IMMEDIATELY FELT THE POTENTIAL TO EXPRESS MY VISION AND TALK ABOUT THE FRAGILITY OF OUR ENVIRONMENT AND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PAY ATTENTION TO IT.

EVERY EVENING, THE UNIVERSE GIVES ME A FRONT ROW SEAT TO THE MOST AMAZING COLORS AND SHAPES.

I'M CERTAINLY NOT THE FIRST PERSON TO EXPRESS A DEEP CONNECTION TO CLOUDS AND SKY.

THERE'S THE HUGE LONG HISTORY OF CLOUDS REPRESENTING A BRIDGE BETWEEN HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE DIVINE PRESENCE, EMOTIONAL TRANSITIONS, AND TRANSIENCE.

EVEN TODAY, WE EVOKE CLOUD IMAGERY IN OUR EVERYDAY EXPRESSIONS.

I'M ON CLOUD NINE.

EVERY CLOUD HAS A SILVER LINING.

UH, YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD IN THE CLOUDS, EVEN ICLOUD .

SO FOR ALMOST 10 YEARS, I'VE EXPLORED THIS IMAGERY IN A VARIETY OF WAYS, BECAUSE I WANNA COMMUNICATE HOW THE SKY UNITES US ALL.

IT GIVES US A BEAUTIFUL VISION TO SAVOR EVERY DAY.

I HOPE YOU FEEL THE SENSE OF BEAUTY AND WONDER.

I FELT WHEN CREATING THESE WORKS, EITHER PULLING OFF THE ROAD TO DO A QUICK SKETCH.

WE'RE SITTING ON OUR PORCH TRYING TO CAPTURE THIS SUNSET.

ONE MORE IMPORTANT NOTE.

ANY SEAL PROCEEDS FROM THIS EXHIBITION ARE BEING DONATED TO THE SEDONA WOMEN'S SCHOLARSHIP FUND.

THIS FUND PROVIDES SCHOLARSHIPS TO WOMEN WHOSE EDUCATION HAS BEEN INTERRUPTED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 2007, THE SEDONA WOMEN HAVE HELPED OVER 60 WOMEN WITH CLOSE TO $200,000 IN SCHOLARSHIP FUNDING.

I HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND HOW MEANINGFUL THAT KIND OF SUPPORT CAN BE.

SO HOPEFULLY THIS ART WILL HELP FUTURE WOMEN SUCCEED IN THEIR CAREER CHOICES.

IN CLOSING, I HOPE EACH OF YOU WHO LOOK AROUND AT THIS ART PAUSE AND THINK ABOUT HOW BEAUTIFUL OUR SKY REALLY IS.

AND MAYBE JUST MAYBE YOU'LL SPEND MORE TIME IN THE FUTURE LOOKING UP.

NANCY, DO YOU WANNA ANNOUNCE WHEN THE ARTIST RECEPTION WILL BE? OH, GOOD IDEA.

YES, I CAN DO THAT.

UM, THE ARTIST RECEPTION WILL BE THURSDAY, OCTOBER 22ND, FROM FOUR TO SIX IN THIS ROOM.

AND SO I HOPE YOU ALL CAN MAKE IT.

WE WILL HAVE, UM, REGULAR BUSINESS AB 33 88 PRE PRESENTATION REGARDING THE AVAI COUNTY BALLOT MEASURE TO INCREASE THE AVAI COUNTY JAIL DISTRICT EXCISE SALES TAX BY ONE QUARTER OF ASCENT.

OH, AND THE MUSICIAN WILL BE SOLOMON MORRIS PLAYING JAZZ.

[9.b. AB 3388 Presentation regarding the Yavapai County ballot measure to increase the Yavapai County Jail District excise (sales) tax by ¼ of a cent. ]

I WANNA INTRODUCE OUR REP, OUR SUPERVISOR OF DISTRICT THREE, NIKKI CHECK, AND YOU WANNA BRING UP YOUR GUESTS.

MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT.

UH, MY NAME IS NIKKI, CHECK, YAVAPAI COUNTY SUPERVISOR FOR DISTRICT THREE.

UH, WITH ME HERE TODAY, I HAVE PHIL BORDON, OUR COUNTY MANAGER, AND JEFF NEWHAM, WHO'S OUR CHIEF DEPUTY FOR YCSO, THE YAVAPAI COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

UH, SO THIS IS AN EDUCATIONAL PRESENTATION.

I'LL PREFACE BY SAYING THAT I CERTAINLY HAVE MY OPINIONS AND, AND I HOPE THAT IF THERE ARE ANY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA KNOW MORE ABOUT MY PERSONAL OPINIONS ON THIS MATTER, I'M HAPPY TO SCHEDULE A PHONE CALL OR HAVE SOME EMAILS AND, AND THAT INVITATIONS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

UM, BUT I, UH, THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.

IS THERE A POWERPOINT THAT YOU'RE NO, THERE'S OKAY.

THERE'S NOT, OH, GO AHEAD, MAYOR.

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COUNCIL, WE DECIDED TO NOT DO THE POWERPOINT, BUT INSTEAD JUST GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION.

OKAY, MAURY, THANK YOU.

SO THE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, IS THE, THE BODY THAT'S BROUGHT THIS, UH, PROPOSITION 4 97, UH, TO THE VOTERS ON NOVEMBER 3RD.

IT WILL BE ON THE GENERAL BALLOT.

UH, BASICALLY, UM, THIS IS A, A MEASURE THAT WILL INCREASE THE JAIL DISTRICT SALES TAX, AN ADDITIONAL QUARTER CENT, UH, PER DOLLAR ON TOP OF, UH, THE, THE QUARTER CENT THAT ALREADY EXISTS.

I WILL NOTE THAT YAVAPAI COUNTY IS THE ONLY COUNTY, UH, THAT DOES NOT CURRENT, THAT THAT PARTICIPATES, THAT EMPLOYS THIS JAIL DISTRICT SALES TAX THAT HASN'T ASKED FOR THE FULL AMOUNT.

SO WE'RE THE ONLY COUNTY OPERATING ON THAT, UM, THAT REDUCED, UH, AMOUNT OF SALES TAX.

AND SO, UH, ESSENTIALLY I WANNA NOTE THAT THERE'S NO INTENTION FROM THE BOARD TO UNDERFUND THE JAIL DISTRICT AT THIS TIME.

UH, HOWEVER, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, THE GENERAL FUND SUBSIDIZES THE JAIL DISTRICT, UH, CURRENTLY ABOUT $16.6 MILLION OVER THE STATUTORY AMOUNT THAT WE'RE REQUIRED, UH, TO PROVIDE.

WHICH, UH, REALLY IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE GENERAL FUND HEAVILY RELIES ON PROPERTY TAXES.

AND SO, UH, WHILE WE'RE NOT HERE TO ADVOCATE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WE'RE HERE, YOU KNOW, COMING TO THE VOTERS ASKING, HOW DO YOU WANT US TO FUND THE JAIL, UH, FULLY.

SO, UM, WE CAN CONTINUE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING, RELYING ON THE GENERAL FUND, OR WE CAN INCREASE, UH, THE SALES TAX BY A QUARTER CENT.

AND, UH, I THINK IT'S, UH, ANOTHER FACT THAT'S COMPELLING HERE IS THAT ABOUT 20% OF OUR SALES TAX REVENUE DOES COME FROM VISITORS, TOURISTS, PEOPLE WHO AREN'T RESIDENTS OF YAVAPAI COUNTY, UH, WHICH IS INTERESTINGLY REFLECTIVE OF OUR JAIL POPULATION.

ABOUT 23% OF OUR JAIL POPULATION ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T, DON'T RESIDE, UH, IN YAVAPAI COUNTY.

UM, SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT I'LL SAY.

I'LL SEE IF I MISSED ANYTHING.

UM, AND, AND WE STAND FOR QUESTIONS MOSTLY.

SO, UM, I ALWAYS WANT TO SAY CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, SORRY, IT'S JUST HAVE IT, UM, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, FIELD BOARD ON COUNTY MANAGER.

WHAT I WOULD ADD IS THIS IS, UM, THIS IS A SPECIAL DISTRICT, THE JAIL DISTRICT THAT WAS FORMED IN 1999 BY THE VOTERS.

SO THERE WAS AN INITIAL FORMATION, UM, BY THE VOTERS, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS PUT IT IN FRONT OF THEM FOR THAT FORMATION.

AGAIN, ASKING THE VOTERS IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO FUND THEIR JAIL SYSTEM THROUGH A SALES TAX.

UH, WHEN THEY DID THAT, THE BOARD, AS SUPERVISOR CHECK MENTIONED, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS PUT IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS A QUARTER CENT SALES TAX.

ONE HALF CENT IS ACTUALLY THE STATUTORY ALLOWABLE AMOUNT, BUT THE BOARD BACK THEN WANTED TO BE AS CONSERVATIVE AS POSSIBLE.

THEY ONLY ASKED THE VOTERS FOR THE QUARTER CENT.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, OVER TIME, OVER THE LAST 20, 25 YEARS, THAT HAS NOT BEEN ENOUGH.

AS SUPERVISOR CHECK MENTIONED, THERE'S HAD TO BE, UH, THERE IS A SUBSIDY THAT OCCURS FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE JAIL DISTRICT.

UM, AS PART OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS STRATEGIC PLAN OVER THE LAST YEARS, THEY INDICATED THE, UM, THE ABILITY, OR THEY WANTED THE ABILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FUNDING FOR THIS DISTRICT WAS COMING FROM THE APPROPRIATE SOURCE.

SO THEY, AGAIN, PUT IT IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS.

UH, RECENTLY, UM, DID A CALL TO, UH, FOR AN ELECTION FOR IT TO BE ON THE NOVEMBER 3RD BALLOT TO ASK THE VOTERS IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE THE SALES TAX UP TO THE HALF CENT.

I, I THINK SUPERVISOR CHECK SAID IT.

WELL, WE ALREADY FUND OUR, OUR JAIL.

UM, WE'RE JUST FUNDING IT THROUGH GENERAL FUND DOLLARS.

THIS WOULD PROVIDE IT FROM ESSENTIALLY THE POT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE, OR MOST COUNTIES FUNDED OUT OF, WHICH IS A HALF CENT SALES TAX.

SO WITH THAT, I, I USUALLY KIND OF TRY TO BRING UP SOME THINGS THAT COME AS QUESTIONS.

UM, THIS, THIS CITY COUNCIL IS PROBABLY VERY FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE FUNDING MECHANISMS YOU HAVE, UM, HF DOLLARS AND OTHERS THAT ARE SEGREGATED AND CAN ONLY BE USED FOR CERTAIN PURPOSES.

THAT IS THE SAME THING AS OUR JAIL DISTRICT.

FUNDS THAT COME INTO OUR JAIL DISTRICT, THROUGH OUR SALES TAX, ARE ACCOUNTED FOR AND DISPERSED SEPARATELY FROM OUR GENERAL FUND DOLLARS.

THEY'RE AUDITED EVERY YEAR TO ENSURE THAT THOSE FUNDS ARE USED FOR THE PURPOSES ONLY ALLOWED BY LAW.

SO I ALWAYS TRY TO BRING, YOU KNOW, UP WHAT ARE THE OBVIOUS QUESTIONS THAT COME OUT.

UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I WOULD COVER THIS SALES TAX THAT WE'RE

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ASKING THE VOTERS TO CONSIDER WOULD BE, UH, FOR A 20 YEAR PERIOD AFTER THAT PERIOD OF TIME, THE COUNTY, OF COURSE, WOULD GO BACK OUT TO THE VOTERS, WHICH WE'VE DONE BEFORE.

WE ACTUALLY EXTENDED OUR ORIGINAL, UH, JAIL DISTRICT SALES TAX, UM, ALREADY, UM, ONCE.

SO, UH, THAT'S THE ORIGINAL QUARTER CENT, SO IT WOULD COINCIDE WITH THIS 20 YEAR PERIOD.

SO THAT'S ABOUT WHAT I HAVE.

AND WE DO HAVE CHIEF DEPUTY NUNAM FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT CAN GO OVER ANY OF THE JAIL ISSUES.

MADAM MAYOR, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS JEFF NUNAM.

I'M THE CHIEF DEPUTY FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WHICH MEANS I'M, I'M THE NUMBER TWO AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UH, REPORTING DIRECTLY TO SHERIFF RHODES.

UH, I LIKE TO REALLY BRIEFLY, I COULD TALK FOR HOURS ABOUT WHAT OUR JAIL DOES.

I, I WILL NOT DO THAT.

I VERY BRIEFLY WANT TO ECHO, UH, WHAT, UM, SUPERVISOR CHECKS AT OUR, OUR JAIL IS OPERATING VERY WELL, AND THE BOARD HAS DONE A GREAT JOB AT FUNDING IT FULLY.

UH, THIS IS JUST A, UM, A DETERMINATION ON HOW THE VOTERS WANT TO CONTINUE TO PAY FOR IT.

UH, SINCE 2015, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LOWER, UH, OUR INMATE POPULATION SUBSTANTIALLY THROUGH THE PROGRAMS THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAVE HELPED US FUND.

UM, BACK IN 2015, WE AVERAGED ABOUT 650 INMATES A DAY.

WE SERVED ABOUT 50,000 MEALS A MONTH FOR THOSE INMATES.

UH, WE HAD, UM, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR OF OUTSIDE MEDICAL COSTS.

THE RECIDIVISM RATE AT, UH, DURING 2015 WAS HOVERING AROUND 39%.

TODAY, BECAUSE OF OUR EFFORTS OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, THE BOOKINGS, WHICH MEANS EVERY, EVERY TIME AN INMATE OR EVERY TIME A DEFENDANT COMES INTO THE JAIL IS BOOKED INTO THE JAIL.

THAT'S CALLED A BOOKING OR AN INTAKE.

UH, BACK AT THAT TIME, WE HAD 12,000 INTAKES A YEAR.

WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REDUCE THAT THROUGH OUR PROGRAMS TO AROUND 8,000.

THIS YEAR.

OUR INMATE POPULATION HAS GONE FROM 650 TO 423.

TODAY, OUR RECIDIVISM RATE HAS GONE FROM 39% TO 17.3% FOR INMATES COMING BACK TO THE JAIL COMMITTEE, A NEW CRIMINAL OFFENSE.

AND THESE ARE NOT OUR NUMBERS.

LIKE I COULD TELL YOU WHAT OUR NUMBERS ARE AND JUST SUPPLY YOU WITH NUMBERS, AND WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE OUR NUMBERS SAY ANYTHING THAT WE WANT.

OUR DATA WAS SENT TO TWO GROUPS, THE WELLINGTON GROUP AND NORTHERN ARIZONA UNIVERSITY, AND THEY CAME BACK AND TOLD US WHAT OUR NUMBERS ARE, WHICH MEANS THAT OUR COMMUNITIES ARE SAFER BY HOW WE ARE, UM, PUTTING PROGRAMS INTO THE JAIL.

SO I JUST SHARE THAT BRIEFLY BECAUSE I, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT THE, THE JAIL HERE IN YAVAPAI COUNTY HAS AN OPERATIONAL CAPACITY OF ABOUT 700 INMATES, AND WE'RE AT SEVEN, WE'RE AT 423.

SO FOR A POPULATION OF YAVAPAI COUNTY THAT HOVERS BETWEEN 270 TO 300,000, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS, DEPENDING ON THE, THE TIME OF YEAR, WE'RE DOING REALLY WELL.

WE'RE THE JAIL IS OPERATING REALLY WELL.

THIS IS SIMPLY A QUESTION OF HOW DO THE RESIDENTS OF YAVAPAI COUNTY WANT TO CONTINUE TO FUND IT.

UM, WE'RE GONNA, YOU HAVE TO FUND A JAIL.

YOU KNOW, THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT YOU ENJOY HERE IN SEDONA, WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF SEDONA IS JUST LIKE THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT, THAT MY WIFE AND OUR KIDS ENJOY OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN.

AND THE ONLY WAY WE CONTINUE TO ENJOY THAT QUALITY OF LIFE IS THROUGH A STRONG PUBLIC SAFETY AND GOOD CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

IT'S JUST ONE FACTOR.

THERE'S MANY OTHER FACTORS, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT.

AND SO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAVE HELPED US OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS STRENGTHEN OUR OPERATION, AND IT'S GOING REALLY WELL.

SO I JUST, I WANTED TO COME TO ANSWER ANY POSSIBLE QUESTION YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THE JAIL.

UH, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TO ANSWER THAT.

ONE OTHER THING I WANNA POINT OUT, UM, THERE CERTAINLY IS, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WHO'S FOR AND AGAINST THIS PROPOSITION.

THE COUNTY, UM, IS REQUIRED TO, UH, PRODUCE A VOTER INFORMATION PAMPHLET, AND THIS WILL BE MAILED OCTOBER 3RD.

THIS IS THE PAMPHLET THAT CONTAINS THE ARGUMENTS FOR AND AGAINST.

I HAVE MY STATEMENT IN HERE.

YOU CAN READ ALL THE INS AND OUTS OF THIS, UH, DOCUMENT.

SO LOOK FOR THIS IN THE MAIL.

AGAIN, IT'LL BE MAILED OCTOBER 3RD.

DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF US, KATHY? SO INCREASING THE SALES TAX WOULD REMOVE PRESSURE FROM THE PROPERTY TAX AS I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS, THERE ARE CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS THOUGH ON THE, ON THE SALES TAX WHERE IT WOULD BE APPLIED.

CAN YOU PLEASE, UH, GO OVER THOSE EXEMPTION AREAS? SURE.

HANG ON ONE SECOND.

SERVICE SOME SERVICES.

UM, MOST WE ARE GROCERIES, UM, ARE EXEMPT.

AND I WANNA POINT SOMETHING

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OUT.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY'S SALES TAX.

NOT A CITY OR TOWN SALES TAX, BUT THE COUNTY'S SALES TAX IS EXEMPT FROM GROCERIES.

PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, MEDICAL DEVICES, AND MOST SERVICES.

WHAT KIND OF SERVICES? UM, TYPICALLY ON THE, UM, ON SERVICE PROVIDERS, LIKE WHEN YOU GO IN AND YOU, UM, SORRY, YOU CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD.

I'LL, I'LL PICK ONE THAT'S RELEVANT TO SEDONA, LIKE A MASSAGE THERAPIST.

A PRO A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE ASTROLOGERS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE SUPERVISORS WHEN THEY WERE DISCUSSING THE MOVING TO A INCREASE IN SALES TAX, TALKED ABOUT LOWERING THE PROPERTY TAX IN THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD TALK ABOUT? UM, I, WE DO NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT IN THIS FORUM.

UH, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I THINK, UM, THERE'S SOME CONCERN, I HAVE SOME CONCERN OVER THAT.

I WOULD PREFER THE BOARD MEMBERS DO THAT, NOT IN A, IN A COUNCIL SETTING.

BUT MAYOR, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT, UM, MY STANCE ON THAT IS WELL ELUCIDATED IN THIS INFORMATIONAL PAMPHLET, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO CHAT WITH YOU ANOTHER TIME.

ARE THERE OTHER SUPERVISORS WHO WROTE STATEMENTS? PERHAPS ALL OF ALL OF THEM, OR AT LEAST A NUMBER OF THEM? I, I DON'T HAVE ACCOUNT, BUT I THINK THIS, I, IF YOU LOOK BACK TO THE MEETINGS WHERE WE AGREED TO PUT THIS, UM, TO THE BALLOT THERE, THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF DISSENT THERE.

THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, UH, WE WERE MOVING AS A BODY IN THAT DIRECTION.

AND, UH, MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, IF I CAN JUST ADD, SO WHAT SUPERVISOR CHECK WAS REFERRING TO AS A PUBLICITY PAMPHLET IS SOMETHING WE ARE REQUIRED BY STATUTE TO COMPILE, PROVIDE INFORMATION ON THE MEASURE TO THE PUBLIC.

IT'S PART OF OUR OUTREACH, BUT IT'S PART OF OUR REQUIRED OUTREACH.

AS PART OF THAT, WE ARE REQUIRED TO, UH, SOLICIT PRO AND CON STATEMENTS.

AND FOR THIS PROPOSITION, PROP 4 97, WE DID RECEIVE THOSE AND DID ISSUE IT AS PART OF THE ELECTION, UH, PUBLICITY PAMPHLET.

SO AGAIN, SUPERVISOR CHECK WAS MENTIONING IF YOU, YOU CAN VIEW THOSE AND SEE PEOPLE THAT COMMENTED FOR AND AGAINST AND THE REASONS WHY.

THANK YOU KATHY.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE ADDITIONAL QUARTER CENT BRINGING IT UP TO A HALF CENT TOTAL WOULD FULLY FUND THE JAIL BUDGET, IS THAT CORRECT? DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? CORRECT.

AND JUST A, A NOTE ON THE LEGALITY THERE, UM, IT'S UP TO HALF A CENT.

SO IF AT ANY TIME ARE COSTCO DOWN, UH, THE BOARD DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO REDUCE THAT INDEPENDENTLY, IT'S JUST UP TO HALF A CENT.

GOOD POINT.

GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? I HAVE ONE CARD.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM.

TIM PERRY.

MY NAME IS TIM PERION.

I LIVE IN SEDONA.

THE MOST FAMOUS ANTI-SLAVERY IMAGE EVER CREATED SHOWS A MAN ON HIS KNEES, HIS HANDS UPHELD IN CHAINS.

THE CAPTION, AM I NOT A MAN AND A BROTHER? AND THAT IMAGE AND THE SENTIMENT BEHIND IT SHOULD BE ON THE MINDS OF EVERYONE WATCHING THIS PRESENTATION BECAUSE IT COULD VERY WELL BE THEM IN CHAINS.

UNDER THE PROPOSAL WE'RE HEARING HERE FROM THIS, UM, GANG OF PSYCHOPATHS, THIS MERRY BAND, BAND OF ESCAPED LUNATICS IS BEFORE US TONIGHT WITH A PROPOSAL TO APPARENTLY ASK THE COMMUNITY TO PAY THEM FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING KIDNAPPED, TORTURED, AND ABUSED.

LET'S RESTATE THAT.

THESE GUYS WANT US TO PAY FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING ABUSED.

THAT IS A PROPOSITION SO ABSURD ON ITS FACE THAT IT DEFEATS ITSELF.

NOBODY BUT A LUNATIC OR A MASOCHIST IS GOING TO PAY TO BE ABUSED.

AND WE SHOULD ALL BE VERY WELL AWARE OF THE PERSONAL THREAT THAT THIS PROPOSAL REPRESENTS TO EVERY ONE OF US.

EVEN AS YOU HAVE DONE IT TO THE LEAST OF THESE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS, YOU HAVE DONE IT UNTO ME.

LET'S MOVE FROM THE PERSONAL THREAT TO THE MORAL TRANSGRESSION INVOLVED HERE.

THE, THESE UNREPENTANT MURDERERS ARE THE SAME ONES WHO NAIL, WHO THREW THE SON OF GOD INTO A PRISON AND NAILED HIM TO A CROSS.

AND WHO WOULD GLADLY DO THE SAME TO ANY OF US IN THIS ROOM BECAUSE THEY WORSHIP THE VIOLENCE AND THE AUTHORITY THAT THE SON OF GOD FORBADE KIDNAPPING SOMEONE AND THROWING THEM IN A PRISON.

ANY

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PERSON FOR ANY REASON, IS ALWAYS A FUNDAMENTAL AND INDEFENSIBLE ACT OF EVIL PERIOD.

YET THESE GENTS ARE HERE TO WANT THE COMMUNITY TO BECOME EVEN MORE FINANCIALLY COMPLICIT AND PARTICIPATORY IN THIS ACT OF EVIL.

AND THIS MORALLY BANKRUPT COUNSEL IS SO EAGER TO SHOW THAT IT'S ON THE SIDE OF EVIL, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE EVEN INVITED THESE LUNATIC PSYCHOPATHS HERE, THESE CHRIST KILLERS, TO PARADE THEIR EVIL IN FRONT OF US.

THAT'S YOUR ENTHUSIASM FOR MORALITY.

THIS TAX IS UNACCEPTABLE.

OKAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC FORUM, HAVE NO OTHER CARDS, AND ON YOUR WAY TO CLARKDALE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MARY.

GO BACK TO THE AGENDA AND THE NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER THREE, CONSENT ITEMS. DOES ANYBODY ON COUNCIL, STAFF, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS ON CONSENT? OKAY, IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY, SO WE'LL

[3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE ]

MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

GO RIGHT AHEAD.

I MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE A THROUGH 3G SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

IS SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR, COUNCILOR, CITY MANAGER, AND COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS.

WE HAVE NO APPOINTMENTS.

[5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS]

AND I SEE MELISSA HAS SOMETHING.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, SO THIS IS AROUND THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AT THE SEDONA AIRPORT, AND THEY HAVE THEIR WINGS AND WHEELS 2026 EVENT.

IT'S A DAY LONG CELEBRATION OF AVIATION AND AUTOMOBILES AT THE SEDONA AIRPORT.

THE FESTIVITIES WILL BE BEGIN THIS YEAR AT 9:00 AM ON SATURDAY THE 10TH OF OCTOBER.

PARKING IS FREE FOR THE DAY AT THE SCENIC OVERLOOK PARKING LOT.

THE AIRPORT REMAINS OPEN FOR BUSINESS AS USUAL, SO YOU CAN FLY IN IF YOU WANNA TAKE IN THE SHOW.

UH, THEY MEAN IN AN AIRPLANE.

JUST TO BE CLEAR.

WITH THE WEST RAMP TRANSFORMED INTO A CARNIVAL OF STATIC AIRCRAFT DISPLAYS, CLASSIC AND VINTAGE CARS BY THE SEDONA CAR CLUB FOOD TRUCKS, OR PLUS VARIOUS VENDORS AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION BOOTHS.

PATRONS ARE ASKED TO BRING A NON-PERISHABLE FOOD ITEM PER PERSON AS THEIR ENTRANCE FEE, ALL OF WHICH WILL BENEFIT THE SEDONA COMMUNITY FOOD BANK.

THIS YEAR'S EVENT FEATURES NUMEROUS HISTORIC AND MODERN AIRCRAFT ON DISPLAY, INCLUDING THE LAST FLYING PB FOUR Y DASH TWO PRIVATE TIER.

A VARIANT OF THE B 42 BOMBER.

ATTENDEES WILL ALSO BE TREATED TO PARACHUTE DEMONSTRATION JUMPS BY THE US SOUM PARA COMMANDOS, THE WILDFIRE TANKER DEMONSTRATIONS, FORMATION, FLYOVERS, AND SO MUCH MORE.

YOU CAN VISIT THE AIRPORT WEBSITE@SEDONAAIRPORT.ORG FOR MORE INFORMATION.

THEY ALSO WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO BE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THEY'RE CONTINUING TO IMPROVE THEIR AIR SITE AND LANDSIDE FACILITIES.

THE LATEST IMPROVEMENT EFFORTS INCLUDE A PROGRAM TO GIVE A FACELIFT TO THE AIRPORT SCENIC OVERLOOK.

THE AIRPORT SCENIC OVERLOOK SEES HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ANNUAL VISITORS, PROVIDES WORLD CLASS VIEWS OF SEDONAS RED ROCKS FROM A VANTAGE POINT EASILY ACCESSIBLE BY ANYONE.

THE OVERLOOK BRICK PROGRAM WILL ALLOW RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TO PURCHASE AN ENGRAVED MEMORIAL PAVER BRICK TO BE INSTALLED AT THE OVERLOOK.

TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE BRICK PROGRAM, PLEASE VISIT THE AIRPORT WEBSITE AND CLICK ON THE OVERLOOK TAB.

BRICKS CAN BE PURCHASED ON THE WEBSITE VIA CREDIT CARD OR A MAILED CHECK.

PERFORMANCE AUDITING, UM, ELEMENTS AND WHAT WE MIGHT DO IN HERE IN SEDONA.

THANK YOU, MELISSA.

PETE, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I WANNA JUST GIVE A QUICK UPDATE ON OUR FINANCE AUDIT SUBCOMMITTEE PROGRESS.

I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UH, BEFORE, SO I'LL JUST SUMMARIZE.

WE STARTED, UM, WITH A REAL WIN BY THINKING ABOUT BUDGET DISPLAY SOFTWARE AND THINK WE FOUND A REALLY BEAUTIFUL SOLUTION THAT COULD BE VERY INSIGHTFUL FOR NOT ONLY COUNCIL, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC, LOOKING AT WHERE THE BUDGET NUMBERS ARE AND HOW BIG THEY ARE AND THE DISTRIBUTION, UH, WITHIN THE DEPARTMENTS.

UM, THEN WE'VE REALLY FOCUSED OVER THE LAST FEW MEETINGS ON METRICS, PERFORMANCE METRICS, UM, AND WE'VE REALLY COME UP WITH A, I THINK A GOOD FRAMEWORK FOR, FOR PERFORMANCE METRICS AND TALKING WITH THE DEPARTMENTS ABOUT HOW THEY THINK ABOUT THAT FRAMEWORK AND IMPLEMENTING THEIR OWN INTERNAL METRICS.

AND THEN METRICS THAT WILL, UM, REPORT OUT TO US AND TO THE PUBLIC, UM, ONLINE, UH, IN OUR BUDGET SESSIONS, WHATEVER, BUT MAKING SOME PROGRESS LOOKING AT THAT.

AND THEN THE LAST ELEMENT, THIS, THE NEW ELEMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS I BEGUN THE OUTREACH TO THE AMER, THE ASSOCIATION OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AUDITORS, TO HAVE THEM COME IN AND HELP US THINK THROUGH THE AUDIT, THE

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SO BARBARA, I ACTUALLY ASKED THEM PERHAPS TO, UM, IF THEY CAN GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER BY OUR MONDAY MEETING, TO JUST HAVE A, A, AN INTRODUCTION 15 MINUTE SESSION WITH US JUST TO SEE WHO THEY ARE, INTRODUCTIONS AND WHO WE ARE AND, AND PLAN PERHAPS TOGETHER, UH, A FUTURE PRESENTATION TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE.

UH, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT BARBARA YET, WHETHER THEY CAN MAKE THAT FOR MONDAY, BUT I, THEY, THEY WILL ANSWER THAT QUESTION BEFORE THURSDAY SO WE CAN GET OUR, OUR AGENDA OUT AND FORMATTED IN TIME.

SO THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE? I HAVE TWO ITEMS. UH, BRYCE AND I WERE AT THE MAYOR MANAGER'S SUPERVISOR'S BIANNUAL BREAKFAST THIS MORNING.

I GOT THAT ALL OUT.

AND, UH, THE TOPIC WAS THE UPPER VERDE RIVER DESIGNATION AS A WILD AND SCENIC RIVER FROM A CONGRESSIONAL ACT.

AND, UM, IN 2023, THIS COUNCIL APPROVED A RESOLUTION, UH, SUPPORTING WILD AND SCENIC PROTECTION FOR THE UPPER VERDE.

AND THEY WOULD LIKE US TO, UH, WRITE A LETTER TO CONGRESSMAN CRANE, WHO IS RIGHT NOW THE OBSTACLE FOR GETTING THIS APPROVED OR SUBMITTED TO CONGRESS.

'CAUSE ACCORDING TO CONGRESSIONAL, UH, PRACTICES, THE CONGRESSMAN WHO IS FROM THE DISTRICT WHERE THE DESIGNATION WOULD BE, NEEDS TO SPONSOR THE LEGISLATION, AND EVEN THE SENATE, OUR SENATORS CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT THE, UH, APPROVAL CONCURRENCE OF THE CONGRESSPERSON.

SO THEY WOULD LIKE US TO WRITE A LETTER, UH, FROM THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL IN SUPPORT OF THE DESIGNATION.

AND, UH, MONIKA, I HAVE TO ASK YOU, WE HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT WAS FROM THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL.

SO DO WE NEED A, AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR THE LETTER, OR DOES THE RESOLUTION GIVE US ENOUGH LATITUDE TO WRITE THE LETTER? UH, WHAT WAS THE, UH, DATE OF THE RESOLUTION? WAS IT RECENT? APRIL, UH, APRIL 11TH, 2023? YEAH, THAT, THAT'S BEEN A WHILE.

I WOULD SAY YOU HAVE, UH, TWO CHOICES.

YOU COULD, UH, UH, WRITE THE LETTER ON, UH, UM, AS MAYOR ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, OR YOU COULD PUT IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

WELL, THEY WOULD LIKE IT FROM THE COUNCIL.

SO IF THAT REQUIRES A FUTURE AGENDA, THEN LET'S DO THAT.

I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, I MEAN, YOU COULD ATTACH THAT RESOLUTION AND WRITE IT FROM YOUR OWN, UM, WORDS, BUT I, I THINK THAT THEY WOULD RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OVER THREE YEARS OLD.

SO LATER WHEN WE DO THE, UH, FUTURE AGENDA, I WILL SPEAK TO THIS.

I'VE BEEN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT JUST NEARLY FOUR YEARS.

SECONDLY, I'M REALLY PLEASED AND PROUD THAT OUR OWN CHANCE NOOK HAS BEEN AWARDED THE RISING STAR AWARD FROM THE ARIZONA ASSOCIATION OF EMERGENCY MANAGERS.

LAST WEEK, HE WAS ALSO SELECTED TO BE THE ASSOCIATION SECRETARY FOR A TWO YEAR TERM.

AND, UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, CHANCE REALLY HAS COME OUT OF THE GATE BLAZE.

AND, UH, HE WAS HIRED ONLY NOVEMBER 17TH, 2025.

AND, UH, SO HE HASN'T EVEN BEEN HERE FOR ONE YEAR AND HE HAS CONTINUED TO UPGRADE AND ENHANCE OUR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.

ALONG WITH OUR EMERGENCY PLANS, HE ASSISTS WITH EVENTS AND PLANNING FOR LARGE GATHERINGS FOR THE CITY, SUCH AS ST.

PATRICK'S DAY PARADE AND RUN SEDONA TO NAME A FEW CHANCE, ALONG WITH OUR CITY'S COMMUNICATIONS TEAM, CREATED A MONTHLY VIDEO CALLED RED ROCK READY, WHICH HAS GENERATED OVER 7,000 VIEWS WHILE INCREASING OUR SUBSCRIBERS TO NICKEL, WHICH HELPS TO ENSURE OUR COMMUNITY GETS ESSENTIAL COMMUNICATION.

SO LET'S CONGRATULATE CHANCE, WHY DON'T YOU COME UP HERE, CHANCE? I DON'T HAVE FLOWERS FOR YOU, BUT WE CAN ACKNOWLEDGE YOU.

WE CAN GET A PHOTO.

THANK, THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

IT'S JUST AN HONOR TO BE RECOGNIZED BY MY PEERS IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WITH THIS AWARD.

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IF YOU WOULD'VE ASKED ME FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO IF I'D BE WORKING IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, I PROBABLY WOULD'VE TOLD YOU IT WASN'T FOR ME.

I ACTUALLY HAD ASPIRATIONS TO GO INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHICH IS A LITTLE IRONIC NOW THAT I WORK INSIDE OF A POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UM, BUT I LOVE WHAT I DO.

UM, I LOVE THE COMMUNITY I WORK FOR, AND I THINK I HAVE AN AMAZING TEAM AS PART OF THE CITY WORKING TOWARDS EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TOGETHER.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO DO, UH, REALLY GREAT THINGS HERE.

SO THERE YOU ARE, KEEGAN, I WAS LOOKING FOR YOU.

SO WHY DON'T WE ALL GET INTO THE PHOTO? HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THAT? COME DOWN HERE, CHIEF, WHY DON'T YOU COME UP, CHIEF, WHY DON'T YOU COME AS WELL? MM-HMM.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT.

YOU WANT US TO? EVERYONE TAKES CHANCE IN MAYOR.

[6. EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT ]

AND I THINK OUR TWO MOTIONS PRETTY MUCH, BUT YOU CAN SPEAK, UH, MONIQUE, UH, THERE WERE, UH, TWO MOTIONS COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UH, THE FIRST WAS TO REGRETFULLY ACCEPT THE RESIGNATION OF THE CITY MANAGER EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER 3RD.

AND THE SECOND MOTION WAS TO DIRECT THE, UM, HUMAN RESOURCES MANAGER TO PROCEED AS DIRECTED IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND BOTH PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.

AND I I JUST WANNA REITERATE A THANK YOU TO ANNETTE FOR YOUR TWO PLUS YEARS HERE.

WE'RE SAD TO SEE YOU GO, BUT WE'RE HAPPY THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE BACK IN OREGON AND UH, THEY'RE VERY LUCKY TO GET YOU VERY LUCKY.

OUR LOSS IS THEIR GAIN.

OKAY,

[7. PUBLIC FORUM]

I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM AND I ONLY HAVE ONE CARD FROM TIM PERRY.

GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS.

MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA IN TONIGHT'S INSTALLMENT OF THE LIES TOLD BY THE CITY OF SEDONA.

WE WILL DRESS THE LIES TOLD BY LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO BY OUR DEAR MAYOR HOLLY PLU WHEN SHE STATED THAT CALLING OUT OUT CITY OFFICIALS FOR THEIR MISCONDUCT WAS UNACCEPTABLE IN OUR SOCIETY AND SHE WOULD NOT TOLERATE IT.

WELL, FIRST OFF, IN NORMATIVE HUMAN SOCIETIES PRIOR TO THE COERCIVE STATE SHAMING AND CRITICISM WERE HOW SOCIAL ORDER WAS MAINTAINED.

THAT IS NORMAL.

SECOND, OUR DEAR MAYOR SEEMS TO HAVE FORGOTTEN WHAT HAPPENED NOT SO LONG AGO IN SURPRISE.

SO I'LL REMIND HER.

IN THE COUNCIL, THE MAYOR OF SURPRISE ORDERED THE POLICE TO ARREST A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DURING A MEETING FOR CRITICIZING THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE JUDGE THROUGHOUT THE CHARGE AS OUTRAGEOUS.

AND THE CITY IS NOW BEING SUED IN FEDERAL COURT BECAUSE SPEECH PROJECTIONS EXIST SPECIFICALLY AND EXPLICITLY TO PROTECT CRITICISM OF GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, INCLUDING AS THE JUDGE STATED CRITICISM OF GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS THAT RISES TO THE POINT OF CALLING FOR A NAMED OFFICIAL TO BE KILLED.

ARIZONA LAW IS VERY CLEAR.

ONCE A PUBLIC FORUM HAS BEEN OPENED, ANY TOPICS WHICH ARE RELEVANT TO THE CITY OR PUBLIC BODY IN QUESTION WILL BE ADMITTED.

AND THE PERSON RUNNING THE MEETING HAS VERY LIMITED ABILITY TO INTERRUPT A SPEAKER ONLY UNDER VERY NARROWLY DEFINED CONDITIONS.

YOU WON'T TOLERATE IT, HOLLY.

YOU WILL TOLERATE IT BECAUSE YOU SWORE AN OATH TO UPHOLD THE LAW THAT SAYS YOU WILL TOLERATE IT.

WE KNOW PERFECTLY WELL THAT NONE OF YOU LIKE HAVING THE PUBLIC FORUM.

YOU DON'T LIKE HEARING THE DISDAIN AND THE CRITICISM THAT THE PUBLIC HAVE FOR YOU.

YOU CERTAINLY WERE NEVER EXPECTING

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SOMEONE TO COME OUT AND USE YOUR RULES TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THEIR SCOPE, TO PUSH THE THROTTLES ALMOST ALL THE WAY THERE TO THE STOPS AND LEAVE THEM THERE INDEFINITELY.

WELL, TOO BAD SINCE YOU'RE SO INSENSITIVE TO PUBLIC CRITICISM.

IN FACT, MAYBE WHAT WE NEED AT THESE MEETINGS EACH TIME IS IN THE PARLANCE OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY TO WHICH YOU ALL BELONG IN SPIRIT STRUGGLE SESSIONS IN WHICH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CRITICIZE A SPECIFIC CITY OFFICIAL.

HOW YOU LIKE THAT IDEA MIGHT HAVE GOODS OR RESULTS FROM THAT.

WHY, FOR EXAMPLE, IS OUR DEAR ANNETTE LEAVING US, WAS IT BECAUSE SHE WAS CAUGHT DOING SOMETHING OBSCENE IN THE LOUNGE OR DID SHE JUST GET TIRED OF HAVING HER MISCONDUCT HELD UP IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC ALL THE TIME? IF YOU PEOPLE WANT TO CONTINUE ATTEMPTING TO TURN THIS INTO THE SEDONA SOVIET REPUBLIC, THEN IN TRUE SOVIET FASHION, THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES.

OKAY, UH, PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS.

FIRST ONE I HAVE, MAYOR, I'VE GIVEN YOU ANOTHER CARD.

OH, SORRY, JOHN THOMPSON.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS.

MY NAME IS JOHN THOMPSON AND I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA.

TONIGHT I WANT TO INTRODUCE YOU TO SOMETHING THAT I HOPE TO PRESENT OVER SEVERAL PUBLIC FORUM SESSIONS BETWEEN NOW AND YOUR ANNUAL PLANNING MEETING RETREAT.

THERE IS FAR MORE TO SAY AND KNOW ABOUT IT THAN WOULD FIT IN A SINGLE THREE MINUTE SPEECH.

IN FACT, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO JUSTICE TO THE ENTIRE TOPIC IN A HALF DOZEN OR SO, THREE MINUTE SPEECH.

SO I WILL BE FOCUSING ON JUST THE MOST IMPACTFUL PART OF THE TOPIC AND SOME SUGGESTED ACTIONS I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER ON BEHALF OF OUR RESIDENTS.

THE OVERALL TOPIC IS ANIMAL AGRICULTURE.

AND THE SUBTOPIC I'LL BE COVERING IS THE IMPACT ON HUMAN AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH FROM RAISING AND PROCESSING COWS FOR FOOD.

I'LL REFER TO THESE BRIEF TALKS AT EACH MEETING AS OUR MOMENT OF MOVE.

I DON'T EAT MEAT, FISH, OR DAIRY PRODUCTS THAT PUTS ME IN A DISTINCT MINORITY, BUT I AM BY NO MEANS UNIQUE.

THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY OF PLANT-BASED OR VEGAN RESIDENTS IN OUR AREA.

YOU MAY NOT HEAR MUCH FROM US BECAUSE WE CAN EASILY FOLLOW OUR PRACTICE WITHOUT ANY ORDINANCES FROM CITY GOVERNMENT.

BUT THE PERSONAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH BENEFITS WE ENJOY FROM OUR DIETARY CHOICES ARE SO SIGNIFICANT THAT I WISH THE REASONS FOR THOSE CHOICES, ALONG WITH THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS THEM, WERE KNOWN TO EVERYONE ELSE SO THEY COULD CONSIDER THEM AS WELL.

SO OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS, I'M GOING TO DO SOME OF THAT SHARING, CERTAINLY NOT BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO FORCE ANYONE TO GO PLANT-BASED, BUT BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO IN YOUR LEADERSHIP CAPACITY TO EDUCATE AND ENCOURAGE MORE SUSTAINABLE FOOD CHOICES FOR OUR RESIDENTS WITH THE ADDED BENEFIT OF IMPROVED PERSONAL HEALTH.

I'LL HAVE SOME SPECIFIC SUGGESTED ACTIONS AT THE END OF THE SERIES, BUT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN I'LL COVER THINGS LIKE FACTS ABOUT COWS, BASICS OF GREENHOUSE GASES, WATER AND LAND DEDICATED TO CATTLE, THE ECONOMICS OF ANIMAL PROCESSING, AND EVEN SOME THOUGHTS ON COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.

COPIES OF EACH MOMENT OF MOO WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU, TO OUR TWO NEW COUNSELORS ELECT TO THE SUSTAINABILITY MANAGER, AND TO ANYONE ELSE WHO REQUESTS THEM BY WRITING TO SEDONA JOHN@ME.COM.

THAT'S SEDONA, JO N@ME.COM.

I WELCOME ANY FEEDBACK OR QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY.

THE FIRST PROCLAMATION IS FOR CONSTITUTION WEEK.

THANK YOU, JOHN.

OKAY, SO

[8.a. Constitution Week Proclamation, September 17-23, 2026. ]

AND IS ANN HERE, JUDGE? THERE SHE IS.

OKAY, LET ME READ THIS AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE SOME REMARKS.

ANN PROCLAMATION CONSTITUTION WEEK SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH THE 23RD, WHEREAS SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2026 MARKS THE 239TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE DRAFTING OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BY THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION.

AND WHEREAS IT IS FITTING AND PROPER TO OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZE THIS MAGNIFICENT DOCUMENT AND THE ANNIVERSARY OF ITS CREATION, AND WHEREAS IT IS

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FITTING AND PROPER TO OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZE THE PATRIOTIC CELEBRATIONS THAT WILL COMMEMORATE THE OCCASION.

AND WHEREAS PUBLIC LAW 9 1 5 GUARANTEES THE ISSUING OF A PROCLAMATION EACH YEAR BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA DESIGNATING SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH THE 23RD AS CONSTITUTION WEEK.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, HOLLY PLU, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL TO HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH THE 23RD, 2026, TO BE CONSTITUTION WEEK IN SEDONA, ARIZONA, AND ASK OUR CITIZENS TO REAFFIRM THE DEALS, THE FRAME, THE IDEALS THE FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION HAD IN 1787.

I'M ANN CROSMAN, I'M REGENT OF THE LOCAL DAR CHAPTER, THE OAK CREEK CHAPTER, AND THIS IS ROBERTA RUST, WHO'S CHAIR OF THE CONSTITUTION COMMITTEE.

AND WE ARE DELIGHTED TO BE HERE AND PROUD TO HONOR OUR CONSTITUTION AND TO REMIND YOU TO COME BY THE LIBRARY IN WEST SEDONA TO SEE OUR EXHIBITS STARTING NEXT WEEK.

AND THANK YOU.

WE'VE BEEN HERE MANY YEARS AND WE HOPE TO BE HERE AGAIN.

[8.b. Recognition of Layla’s Bakery and Chocolatree for certification in Sustain Sedona, a Ripple Effect Program. ]

WANNA RECOGNIZE LAYLA'S BAKERY.

I SEE YOU AMY AND I NEVER PRONOUNCE THIS CORRECTLY.

CHICOLA TREE.

CHOCOLATE TREE.

I SAID CHOCOLATE TREAT.

EVERYONE TOLD ME IT WAS, IT WAS WRONG.

OKAY, THAT'S EASY FOR CERTIFICATION IN SUSTAINED SEDONA, A RIPPLE EFFECT PROGRAM.

BRYCE, DO YOU HAVE OKAY, HAVE A FEW WORDS COMING FROM STAFF.

HELLO MAYOR, COUNSELORS.

UM, SO YEAH, UH, SARAH STRATA, SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY.

CAN YOU MOVE THE MIC DOWN SO WE CAN HEAR YOU? YEAH, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? UM, SO YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE PERSONALLY, UM, ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US HERE TOO, UH, LAYLA'S, UM, BAKERY, THEY'RE TWO LOCATIONS AND CHOCOLATE TREE ORGANIC OASIS.

UM, SO THE SUSTAINED SEDONA BUSINESS PROGRAM, IT'S A CERTIFICATION PROGRAM THAT WAS LAUNCHED THIS PAST SPRING TO HELP BUSINESSES, UM, BE RECOGNIZED FOR THEIR SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS.

AND SO IT IS UNDER THE RIPPLE EFFECT PROGRAM, WHICH IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH, UM, CITY OF SEDONA AND ARIZONA WATER COMPANY.

SO IT'S A LITTLE WATER FOCUSED.

UM, THE FOUR CATEGORIES THAT THEY CAN ACHIEVE, UH, ACTION ITEMS IN IS, UH, WATER CONSERVATION, WASTE REDUCTION, UH, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND WASTE WATER PROTECTION.

SO EACH OF THE BUSINESSES, UM, HAVE COMPLETED THE LEADER LEVEL RECOGNITION AND THAT'S KIND OF THE FIRST TIER OF THE PROGRAM IN TOTAL.

UM, SO THE FOLLOWING YEAR THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, DO MORE ACHIEVEMENTS AND GET RECOGNIZED FOR THE NEXT LEVEL.

SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT LAYLA'S DONE.

UM, SO EACH OF THEIR LOCATIONS, THEY PRIORITIZE NATIVE AND DROUGHT TOLERANT PLANTS, SO THAT HELPS REDUCE THE WATER USE AND LANDSCAPING.

UM, THEY ALSO ARE ACTIVELY COMPOSTING AND RECYCLING WITHIN THE BUSINESS, WHICH, UM, HELPS A LOT WITH, UM, WASTE REDUCTION, UM, INCLUDING, UH, PRIORITIZING, UH, OR ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO DINE IN VERSUS TAKEOUT SO THEY CAN HAVE THAT WASTE REDUCTION.

UM, THEY'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH LOCAL FIRST TO UM, SEE WHAT KIND OF SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS THEY CAN KEEP WORKING TOWARDS.

AND WITH THAT, THEY'VE RECENTLY DONE A WATER EFFICIENCY AUDIT TO KIND OF SEE WHERE THEY CAN MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, I COULD MENTION CHOCOLATE TREES, UM, BUT ALSO WE HAVE JEN AND SHE WANTED TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THEIR SUCCESSES.

SO DO YOU WANNA COME UP , PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE.

HELLO, I'M JEN MARIE AND I LIVE IN

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VILLE, ARIZONA.

MY BUSINESS IS IN SEDONA CHOCOLATE TREE ORGANIC OASIS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

STANDING HERE TONIGHT IS AN INCREDIBLE HONOR AND I WANNA START BY THANKING THE ORGANIZER OF THE AWARD FOR SHINING A LIGHT ON SUSTAINABLE BUSINESSES.

IT MEANS THE WORLD TO OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

WHEN WE FIRST OPENED OUR DOORS, PEOPLE TOLD US THAT WE WERE TAKING A RISK AND THEY SAID THAT RUNNING A RESTAURANT IS HARD ENOUGH WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT WHERE ALL OF OUR ORGANIC PRODUCE IS SOURCED FROM, OR WHEREVER SCRAP OF FOOD GOES, OR IF OUR VEGETABLES TRAVELED 50 MILES OR 1500 OR SAVING WATER FOR OUR ONSITE SMALL FOOD FOREST.

AND THEY WEREN'T WRONG.

IT IS HARD.

BUT WE REALIZED EARLY ON THAT COOKING FOOD HAS A DIRECT CONVERSATION WITH THE EARTH.

EVERY INGREDIENT TELLS A STORY.

AND WHEN YOU SOURCE LOCALLY FROM FARMERS WHO RESPECT THE SOIL AND WHEN YOU BUILD, YOU BUILD A KITCHEN CULTURE THAT TREATS FOOD WASTE LIKE A STEP IN THE CLOSED LOOP BLUE ECONOMY, THE FOOD SIMPLY TASTES BETTER AND IT CARRIES INTEGRITY.

NONE OF THIS HAPPENS BY MAGIC AND IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T HAPPEN ALONE.

I MAKE TEARY .

I WANNA THANK MY INCREDIBLE FRONT OF HOUSE AND KITCHEN CREW.

YOU ARE THE ONES SCRUBBING THE EXTRA BINS, SORTING THE COMPOST LATE AT NIGHT AND EXPLAINING OUR ZERO WASTE PHILOSOPHY TO CURIOUS GUESTS WITH A SMILE.

YOU EMBRACE EVERY MESSY, BEAUTIFUL EXPERIMENT WE TRY.

I ALSO WANNA THANK OUR LOCAL ORGANIC GROWER GROWERS AND PARTNERS WHO DO THE HEAVY LIFTING OF REGENERATIVE AGRICULTURE EVERY SINGLE DAY LONG BEFORE THE SUN COMES UP.

FINALLY TO OUR GUESTS, THANK YOU FOR TRUSTING US.

THANK YOU FOR CARING ABOUT WHERE YOUR MEAL COMES FROM.

UH, AS MUCH AS HOW IT TASTES, THIS AWARD FOR ME ISN'T A FINISH LINE.

IT'S FUEL AND IT TELLS US THAT WE ARE ON THE RIGHT PATH AND IT ENCOURAGES US TO KEEP PUSHING FOR A CLEANER, KINDER FOOD SYSTEM.

LET'S KEEP PROVING THAT WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE PLANET CAN ALSO BE DELICIOUS ON A PLATE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AMY, DO YOU HAVE A FEW WORDS YOU WANNA SAY? OKAY, YOU SURE FOR YOU TOO? YES.

UM, SO WITH THAT WE HAVE SOME CERTIFICATES AND IF WE CAN GET A PHOTO WITH THE COUNSELOR AND WE'RE GONNA DO ANOTHER PHOTO.

TO REGULAR BUSINESS AB 33 72 PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION.

A LOT OF PHOTOS TODAY, .

SO YOU WERE ALL THANK YOU.

THANK I AM SURE THIS WILL BE AN ONGOING PROGRAM, RIGHT? WE'LL HAVE OTHER BUSINESSES TO CONGRATULATE.

ALRIGHT, LET'S GET DOWN

[9.c. AB 3372 Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for a Time Extension to extend the expiration date for the Village at Saddlerock Crossing (100 unit hotel and 46 housing units). The property is located at 1259 W State Route 89A (APN 408-26-004D). Case Number: PZ26-00004 (TE); Original Application: PZ19-00005 (ZC, DEV) Owner/Applicant: Baney Corporation (Curt Baney, Travis Hansen). ]

POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR A TIME EXTENSION TO EXTEND THE EXPIRATION DATE FOR THE VILLAGE OF SADDLE ROCK CROSSING 100 UNIT HOTEL AND 46 HOUSING UNITS.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1259 WEST STATE ROUTE 89 A EIGHT PN 4 0 8 DASH 26 0 4 D.

CASE NUMBER PZ 26 0 0 0 FOURT ORIGINAL APPLICATION PZ 19 DASH 0 0 5 ZC DEV OWNER APPLICANT BANEY CORPORATION, KURT BANEY, TRAVIS HANSEN, WHO AH, THERE YOU ARE.

HI CARRIE.

THANK YOU MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION.

UM, ALL OF THE INFORMATION WAS IN YOUR PACKET, BUT JUST TO QUICKLY SUMMARIZE, THIS IS AN APPLICATION THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024.

UM, BY DEFAULT, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE GIVES TWO YEARS FOR, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE APPROVED TO GET THEIR BUILDING PERMITS AND BEGIN CONSTRUCTION.

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UM, IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR UP TO TWO TIME EXTENSIONS, THE FIRST BEING FOR A MAXIMUM OF TWO YEARS.

AND SO THAT IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TONIGHT.

THEY'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE PROJECT.

UM, UH, STAFF DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS WELL ON AUGUST 4TH.

UM, THEY ARE, UM, THE BUILDING PERMITS FOR THIS PROJECT ARE IN REVIEW RIGHT NOW.

UM, THEY SUBMITTED THEM EARLIER THIS YEAR.

THEY'RE ON THEIR SECOND ROUND OF REVIEW.

THEY'RE VERY LARGE SETS OF PLANS AND THERE'S THREE OF THEM.

UM, SO IF YOU NEED TO DO SOME ARM DAYS, YOU CAN COME BY MY OFFICE AND LIFT THEM.

UM, BUT WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS ON THOSE PLANS, BUT THAT'S JUST THAT SEPTEMBER DATE IS QUICKLY APPROACHING.

SO THEY HAVE REQUESTED THE EXTENSION.

UM, ALL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO COUNSEL THAT WE, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE DID ALL THE PUBLIC NOTICING AND YOU HAVE RECEIVED ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN.

UM, THE APPLICANT AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE AS WELL, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THEY DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE A SEPARATE PRESENTATION.

THEY'RE JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, KATHY? UM, THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS IN 2019, BUT IT WAS PRESENTED TO PNZ IN 2023.

SO THERE WERE EXTENSIVE REQUESTS FOR EXTENSIONS AT THAT POINT? YES.

SO DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, UM, WITHOUT REHASHING THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT, UM, IT STARTED OFF AS A MORE MULTI-FAMILY OR NOT THE, THERE WAS A RETAIL COMPONENT TO IT.

UM, THEY CHANGED TO BE MORE HEAVY ON THE HOUSING.

THERE WERE DIFFERENT, COVID WAS IN THERE WITH SOME DELAYS FOR THAT.

THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UM, WHETHER WHAT THEY WERE DESIGNING MET LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IF YOU REMEMBER, IF YOU WERE AROUND STAFF ACTUALLY DID RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL DECIDED TO APPROVE IT.

SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THE, BUT YOU APPROVED IT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THEY FIX ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE TOLD THEM WERE WRONG WITH IT AND WHY WE RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THE PROJECT.

AND SO THAT IS ANOTHER CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE IT'S JUST TAKING A LITTLE LONGER TO GET TO BUILDING PERMITS.

'CAUSE THEY COULDN'T JUST TAKE THE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED AND SUBMIT THOSE.

THERE WERE SOME CHANGES TO THAT THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN TO MEET THE, UM, EXPECTATIONS OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

IS IT 100% COMPLIANT NOW? NO, BECAUSE WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS.

UM, WE'RE ON THE SECOND REVIEW AND UM, THERE'LL, WE'LL LIKELY BE A THIRD ONE JUST FOR A COUPLE THINGS THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING.

I TALKED TO THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE BEFORE THIS MEETING AND JUST ABOUT HOW TO WRAP SOME OF THESE THINGS UP AND GET EVERYBODY IN THE SAME ROOM AND MAKE SURE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN A TIMELY MANNER.

CHARLOTTE, DO YOU THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME TO GET THESE RESOLVED OR DO YOU THINK THERE'S SOME UNDERLYING ISSUES THAT ARE JUST YOUR LOGGERHEADS OR, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN, WE CAN'T.

I BELIEVE WE CAN RESOLVE EVERYTHING.

WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO AND WE WILL NOT BE APPROVING THE PERMITS UNTIL WE DO.

SO KEVIN, UM, THE P AND Z DID RECOMMEND THE EXTENSION, CORRECT.

BUT WHAT ABOUT STAFF? YES, WE RECOMMENDED THE EXTENSION AS WELL.

I HAVE A QUESTION FROM A, UH, RESIDENT THAT I'D LIKE TO ASK THE, UH, APPLICANT.

WHO WISHES TO SPEAK MAD MAYOR BENJAMIN SA MORRIS.

I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON THE NATURE OF THE QUESTION.

THE HOTEL AND THE 46 UNITS OF, UH, RENT RESTRICTED INCOME QUALIFIED WORKFORCE HOUSING.

THE QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE OXFORD HOTEL'S WEBSITE AND A, I'M JUST READING THIS FROM SOMEBODY WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT.

THAT, UM, THAT THE ONLY PROPERTY IN DEVELOPMENT LISTED ON THE WEBSITE IS CALLED THE DARLING HOTEL.

SEDONA, IS THAT THE NEW NAME THOUGH? THE VILLAGE OF SADDLE CREEK IS NO LONGER THE NAME.

THE HOTEL ITSELF ONLY NEEDS TO BE, WE NEED TO BE ON MIC AGAIN FOR THE RECORD.

UH, MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS THE COUNCIL OF BENJAMIN TATE WITH YOU, MORRIS BA ON BEHALF OF THE BANEY CORPORATION, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY JUST SAID, UH, 'CAUSE IT'S CERTAINLY THE FIRST TIME HEARING OF IT AS WELL.

UM, THE HOTEL WILL BE CALLED THE DARLING, BUT THE, THE OVERALL PROJECT WILL STILL BE THE VILLAGE AT S ROCK CROSSING.

'CAUSE AS YOU KNOW, IT CONTAINS BOTH

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UM, SO YOU HAVEN'T, YOU HAVEN'T SOLD IT OR TAKEN A PARTNER OR ANYTHING, JUST CHANGED THE NAME.

OH, WELL THERE YOU GO.

UH, SO HAYDEN BANEY, UH, HE APPARENT TO THE COMPANY, UH, IT'S HIS DAUGHTER'S NAME, MIDDLE NAME, MIDDLE NAME, MIDDLE NAME DAUGHTER'S, MIDDLE NAME .

SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION.

AND, AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, MADAM MAYOR, UH, ALL OF THE HOTELS IN THE, IN THE BANEY PORTFOLIO ARE FAMILY.

THIS, IT IS A SECOND GENERATION FAMILY OWNED HOTEL COMPANY.

ALL OF THEY OWN ALL OF THEIR HOTELS.

THEY DON'T FARM OUT THE MANAGEMENT OF THEM.

THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT THEY WANTED TO KNOW.

UNDERSTOOD.

SHOULD I STAY UP HERE? ANY MORE QUESTIONS? PERHAPS , I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

IF THIS, UH, IF THE APPROVAL EXPIRES, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? WE WOULD INITIATE THE PROCEEDINGS TO REVOKE THE ZONING AS ALLOWED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE STATE, STATE STATUTE.

SO, UM, THE ZONE CHANGES CONDITIONED ON THIS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING.

SO IF THEY, IF THERE IS NOT AN EXTENSION APPROVED AND THEY DO NOT GET PERMITS IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, UM, WE WOULD BE BACK BEFORE YOU TO REVOKE THE ZONING SINCE THE ZONING WAS CONDITIONED UPON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY.

AND IF THAT HAPPENS, DO, WOULD THE APPLICANT, WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME IN WHICH THE APPLICANT COULD APPLY? START OVER.

THEY, THERE'S NO TIME FRAME.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S WOULDN'T BE A DENIED PROJECT IN THE SAME WAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR, I DON'T BELIEVE.

AND MONIQUE'S NOT STARING AT ME, SO I THINK I'M CORRECT.

SO, SO LET ME ASK YOU, WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THE DELAY? UH, MADAM MAYOR? UM, I'M NOT SURE I WOULD USE THE WORD DELAY AS, AS, UM, CARRIE HAS POINTED OUT, IF YOU RECALL, GO, YOU KNOW, I, I FRANKLY I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS.

IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S BEEN THAT LONG.

UM, I HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS SINCE IT WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL.

I, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST TURNS OVER TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU, UH, IS AS, AS CARRIE POINTED OUT, WHEN, WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS BEFORE THE COUNCIL TWO YEARS AGO, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT STAFF HAD IDENTIFIED AS, YOU KNOW, DEFICIENT RELATED TO THE LDC.

SO IF I'M BEING CANDID, WE WERE SO FOCUSED AT THE TIME ON SIMPLY GETTING THE PROJECT APPROVED THAT WE HADN'T CONSIDERED THE FACT THAT TWO YEARS MAY NOT BE ENOUGH TIME TO GET US ALL THE WAY TO PERMITS BECAUSE OF ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES.

SO WE'RE ALREADY KIND OF STARTING, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN A LEG UP, I GUESS THE OPPOSITE.

THAT WOULD BE A LEG DOWN, UM, TO ADDRESS ALL OF THESE ISSUES BEFORE WE CAN HAVE EVEN HAVE A SET THAT'S READY PERMIT, YOU KNOW, READY FOR PERMIT REVIEW.

AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TIMELINE THAT I PROVIDED IN OUR, THE LETTER THAT WE HAVE, I MEAN, THERE WAS ALMOST A YEAR OF JUST INFORMAL BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN STAFF, UH, AND THE APPLICANT IN, IN THE WAY OF VIRTUAL MEETINGS, CORRESPONDENCE, ET CETERA.

JUST WORKING THESE ISSUES OUT BEFORE WE COULD GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY PUT IT INTO PRODUCTION.

BECAUSE AS CARRIE POINTED OUT, THE THE CONSTRUCTION SET FOR THIS PROJECT IS OVER 600 PAGES.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WEIGHS, BUT IT'S A LOT.

UM, AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT TAKES TO DRAW ALL OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL PAGES AND GET THEM IN A STATE THAT'S READY FOR AN ACTUAL SUBSTANTIVE STAFF REVIEW, THAT IN AND OF ITSELF ALSO TAKES A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

SO WHEN YOU ADD ALL OF THE, ALL OF THOSE PIECES UP, THAT GETS US TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WHICH IS WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR SECOND REVIEW AND WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH IT IN ONE MORE REVIEW.

'CAUSE UM, AND I, I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO TOO.

UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THE COUNCIL COULD NOT IMPART A GREATER SENSE OF URGENCY THAN THE BANEY ARE IMPOSING UPON THEMSELVES.

BECAUSE EVERY DAY THAT WE'RE NOT TURNING DIRT EVERY DAY THAT WE'RE NOT UNDER CONSTRUCTION IS A DAY WE'RE NOT DELIVERING HOUSING FOR THE WORKFORCE OF SEDONA HOTEL ROOMS THAT ARE GENERATING TAX REVENUE.

THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO.

SO, UM, I CAN CERTAINLY TELL YOU THAT, UH, TO USE THE DUCK ANALOGY, ALTHOUGH IT MAY ON THE SURFACE SEEM LIKE THERE'S NOT A LOT HAPPENING, THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT HAPPENING BENEATH THE SURFACE.

CAN, BUT, BUT YOU'RE REQUESTING TWO, TWO YEAR EXTENSION.

AGAIN, THERE'S NO GREATER SENSE OF THAT.

UH, COUNCILLOR KINSELLA.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS, ALTHOUGH WE ARE CERTAINLY HOPEFUL, UH, THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR AND BE TO PERMITS AND BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UH, TO USE A WELL-WORN TOLOGY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.

UH, AND WHETHER THERE'S SOMETHING COME THAT COMES UP IN THE MEANTIME THAT DELAYS US, WHETHER IT'S THE ECONOMY OR SOMETHING ELSE, THERE ARE JUST SO MANY OTHER FACTORS.

I WOULD, WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU A YEAR FROM NOW ASKING FOR MORE TIME BECAUSE OF SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S HAPPENED.

AND ULTIMATELY WHAT THAT EX, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE COMING BACK TO YOU AT THAT POINT, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD HAVE A GOOD REASON FOR IT.

'CAUSE

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IT CAN BE IMPOSED THAN THE BEES ON THEMSELVES.

UM, AND IF WE HAVE TO ASK FOR ANOTHER EXTENSION, THAT'S MORE OF STAFF'S TIME, THAT'S MORE OF THE DEVELOPER'S TIME.

IT'S MORE OF YOUR TIME, FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK IT COSTS THE COUNCIL ANYTHING TO GIVE US A BIT OF A CUSHION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET TO PERMITS AND GET UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

WE'RE NOT BEFORE YOU A YEAR FROM NOW.

ASKING FOR MORE TIME AGAIN, BRIAN, RIGHT NOW THE PIECE OF PROPERTY IS BEING UTILIZED BY, UH, OAK CREEK WATER FOR ALL OF THEIR WORK.

ANY IDEA WHEN THAT COMES TO AN END? UH, SO WE GET AN IDEA OF NEW DIRT BEING TURNED VERSUS OLD DIRT NINE MONTHS.

THERE YOU GO.

NINE, NINE MONTHS, MAYBE NINE MORE MONTHS OF WOW.

STAGING TIME.

WOW.

AND I APOLOGIZE IF I SOUND VERY HOARSE.

I'M NOT SURE IF I'M GETTING SICK OR IF IT WAS FROM ALL THE CHEERING THAT I WAS DOING IN MY DAUGHTER'S SWIM MEET THIS WEEKEND.

, PETE.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, I'LL RESPECT YOU MR. TATE.

UH, THESE BIG, THESE ARE BIG PROJECTS.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM ONE OF THE BEY MEMBERS, JUST YOUR THOUGHTS, PLANS, HOPES, CURRENT STATUS.

JUST GIVE US SOME IN YOUR OWN WORDS RATHER THAN, FRANKLY, MR. THANK YOU .

NEED SOME WATER .

WE, WE WERE HOPING IT WOULDN'T TAKE THIS LONG EITHER, BUT, UH, IT DID.

WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, UH, BRINGING THE PLANS IN COMPLIANCE AFTER, UH, GOING THROUGH ENTITLEMENT PROCESS.

AND THERE WAS MAYBE AT LEAST EIGHT OR 10 CONSULTANTS WORKING WITH IT, DESIGNING ALL THESE PLANS.

SO IT JUST TOOK A LONG TIME.

SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH, UH, ONE REVIEW ALREADY.

THAT'S A PERIOD OF 30 DAYS, AND THEN WE GET A 30 DAYS TO, UH, REDRAW THE PLANS AND THEN THEY GO BACK IN FOR REVIEW.

SO IT JUST TAKES A LONG TIME.

ONE THING I WANNA MENTION ON THE OAK CREEK WATER, THAT IS A MONTH TO MONTH LEASE.

SO AS, AS SOON AS UH, WE GET OUR BILLING PERMIT AND ARE READY TO START CONSTRUCTION, UM, IF IF IT'S LESS THAN TI NINE MONTHS, THEN THEN THEY'LL BE ASKED TO MOVE, LOCATE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SO ANYWAY, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE WERE HOPING IT WOULDN'T TAKE THIS LONG EITHER.

UM, WE, WE DID CHANGE THE NAME OF THE HOTEL.

WE, IT'S, IT'S A LIFESTYLE HOTEL THAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE LIKE THE NAME OXFORD, BUT WE THOUGHT THAT THE NAME, THE DARLENE HOTEL WOULD, WOULD BE MORE FITTING AND, UH, FOR OUR DESIGN AND FOR OUR GUEST EXPERIENCE.

SO JUST A LITTLE MORE COLOR ON THAT.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY OF YOUR OWN INTERNAL GOALS, TIMELINES THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH US? I, I THINK CONCEIVABLY WE COULD BE STARTED AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR BY THE TIME WE GET BUILDING PERMITS AND, UH, GET STAGED AND, AND READY TO, UH, FOR CONSTRUCTION.

SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE NINE MONTHS NOT OUT OF THE REALM.

UM, THAT PROJECT MIGHT TAKE LONGER TOO.

YOU KNOW, HOW THINGS GO.

SO.

MR. B.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CARRIE.

DID YOU WANT TO SAY GOOD? HAVE YOU REVIEWED THE LATEST PLANS? YES.

HOW FAR OFF DO YOU THINK THEY ARE? UM, THERE, THERE IS ANOTHER ROUND OF CORRECTIONS I, I NEED TO TALK TO THE ARCHITECT OR SOMEBODY TO SEE WHAT THEY WOULD NEED TO DO TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.

I DON'T, THERE'S A COUPLE THAT MIGHT REQUIRE A LITTLE MORE WORK, BUT IT'S NOT, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S ANYTHING INSURMOUNTABLE.

CLOSE.

SO IF, SO YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING IF YOU WERE GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER, YOU COULD, YOU WOULD NOT RENEW YOUR MONTH TO MONTH WITH THE WATER COMPANY? THAT'S CORRECT.

I MEAN, THE FIRST PROCESS IS TO GO OUT TO BID, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A LONG PROCESS TOO.

I MEAN, WE COULD BE IN THE BIDDING PROCESS NOW, BUT WITH THE CHANGES IN THE PLANS, IT JUST KIND OF MUDDLES THE WATER.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA WAIT UNTIL WE GET OUR BUILDING PERMIT, OUR FINAL PLANS, AND THEN, AND TAKE IT OUT TO BID.

SO, SO YOU WOULD GO OUT TO BID FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH.

SO I WOULD JUST, CAN I MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT THAT, LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE THREE SEPARATE PERMITS.

UM, THERE'S A GRADING PERMIT AND THEN THERE'S ONE PERMIT FOR THE HOUSING AND THE PARKING GARAGE THAT'S EAST OF THE ROAD OR THE ROAD THROUGH IT.

AND THEN THERE'S A PERMIT FOR THE HOTEL BUILDINGS.

AND SO THE GRADING PERMIT IS MUCH, IS CLOSER.

A SINGLE PHASE PROJECT, IT'S ALL BUILDING PERMITS HAVE TO BE ISSUED BY THAT DATE.

UM, AND SO THERE'S A WORLD WHERE THEY GET THAT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING PERMITS COME LATER, BUT WITH THE WAY, BECAUSE THIS WAS ALSO APPROVED AS

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SO, UM, JUST ONE BUILDING PERMIT DOESN'T NECESSARILY LOCK THEM IN.

SO GIVING A LITTLE MORE TIME JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THOSE PIECES AND ALL THE PERMITS GET ISSUED, UM, WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME.

SO IF THE GRADING PERMIT WERE TO BE APPROVED, MOVE FORWARD QUICKLY.

THEY STILL WOULD NOT BE STARTING CONSTRUCTION UNTIL ALL THREE PERMITS ARE ISSUED.

IS THAT CORRECT? I, NO, I THINK IF WE OBTAIN A GRADING PERMIT, WE WOULD, WE WOULD START THAT RIGHT AWAY AS SOON AS WE GOT, AND WE'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING WITH CONTRACTORS FOR BEEN IN, IN CONTACT AND COLLABORATION WITH, UH, THE GRADY.

SO YOU KNOW WHO YOUR CONSTRUCTION FIRM WILL BE.

WE'VE, WE'VE ALWAYS SELF PERFORMED OUR OWN PROJECTS.

WE WILL HAVE OUR OWN, OWN PEOPLE MANAGING THE, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HIRE A, THERE'S A COUPLE CIVIL CONTRACTORS DOWN HERE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH.

AND CARRIE, THE, UH, GRADING PERMIT, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT THAT WOULD BE ISSUED BEFORE THE EXPIRATION? NO.

NO.

THERE'S STILL A COUPLE COMMENTS THAT I'LL NEED TO GO BACK, BUT IT'LL, IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER THAN THE BUILDING PERMITS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

COMMENTS? YEAH.

THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING.

GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS.

I HAVE, THIS IS A, UM, A PUBLIC HEARING, SO ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS CAN FILL OUT A CARD.

AND I HAVE ONE FROM TIM PERRY.

MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.

THE COUNCIL MUST APPROVE THIS TIME EXTENSION FOR TWO REASONS.

ONE, THE APPLICANT HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR PROPERTY.

TWO, THE ONLY REASON THE PROJECT HAS BEEN DELAYED THIS LONG IS BECAUSE OF STAFF'S OBSTRUCTION, WHICH ARISES BOTH FROM THE FACT THAT STAFF ARE KILLJOYS.

YOU DON'T LIKE SAYING YES TO ANYTHING, DON'T WANT ANY DEVELOPMENT.

AND FROM THE FACT THAT THEY'RE PURSUING COUNCIL'S IDEOLOGY OF WE HATE HOTELS, YES, COUNSELORS, WE KNOW YOU HATE HOTELS.

YOU SPENT 23 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR TAX MONEY INTEREST INCLUDED ON THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK SAYING FROM THIS DAIS, THIS WILL NOT BE A HOTEL IF WE OWN IT.

YOU'RE SPENDING MILLIONS MORE OF OUR TAX DOLLARS ON OTHER PIECES OF LAND TO PREVENT THEM FROM BECOMING LODGING.

YOU CHANGE THE WHOLE CITY CODE TO TRY TO KILL LODGING AND COMMERCIAL, EXCEPT YOU'VE HAD TO BACK DOWN ON THAT.

EVERY TIME IT'S COME UP, WE GET IT.

YOU HATE HOTELS.

TOO BAD.

THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO BUILD A HOTEL.

THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO.

I DON'T LOVE THE IDEA THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD MORE APARTMENTS 'CAUSE WE DON'T NEED MORE APARTMENTS IN SEDONA.

BUT I LOVE THE IDEA OF THESE GUYS STICKING IT TO THIS OBSTRUCTIVE COUNSEL AND STAFF GIVE THEM THEIR TIME EXTENSION, THE, IT'S APPROPRIATE OR BETTER YET, JUST FIRE CARRIE MEYER FOR INCOMPETENCE AND MALICE.

I, I'VE BEEN ADVISED BY COUNSEL THAT COMMENTS THAT ARE DIRECTED TO SPECIFIC STAFF PEOPLE ARE NOT APPROPRIATE AND CAN BE, CAN BE RESTRICTED.

THAT THAT IS CORRECT.

THIS IS, UM, A QUALIFIED PUBLIC FORUM.

AND SO COUNSEL HAS THE ABILITY TO RESTRICT TIME, PLACE, AND MANNER.

THE TIME IS DURING, YOU KNOW, CALL TO THE PUBLIC PUBLIC HEARINGS.

UM, THE, THE PLACE IS HERE IN THE MANNER, UH, THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT COUNSEL IS, IS FREE TO, UH, PROHIBIT CERTAIN MANNERS.

THANK YOU, MONIQUE.

COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL? I THINK THE, UH, APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY WANTED TO MAKE A STATEMENT.

OH, GO AHEAD, MADAM MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, JUST IN THE INTEREST OF CLARITY, UM, WE'VE ALWAYS ENJOYED WORKING WITH STAFF, PARTICULARLY WITH CARRIE.

AND, AND FRANKLY, THE WE'VE, IT HAS BEEN A VERY PRODUCTIVE AND, UM, CORDIAL.

I, I'M, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT WORDS FOR THIS.

UM, BUT IT, IT'S BEEN A VERY PRODUCTIVE PROCESS SINCE THE COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR CARRIE GUIDING US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO ENSURE THAT THESE PLANS ARE IN THE STATE THAT THEY ARE NOW, WHICH IS NOW, AS, AS SHE POINTED OUT, WE'RE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO HAVING AN APPROVABLE SET FOR, FOR PERMITS.

BUT IN THE ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION AND, UH, CLARITY, UH, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH STAFF.

THANK YOU,

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DEREK.

I SUPPORT THE EXTENSION.

UM, I WAS NOT ON COUNCIL WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED, BUT I SAT THROUGH THE VARIOUS MEETINGS AND, UM, ALTHOUGH I THINK I MADE THE COMMENT THAT SEDONA NEEDS ANOTHER HOTEL, LIKE HE, I NEED ANOTHER HAIR RUSH.

UM, I THINK Y'ALL MADE THE RIGHT DECISION AT THE TIME.

UH, I THINK IT WAS A FOUR TO THREE DECISION, BUT I THINK COUNCIL MADE THE RIGHT CALL AT THE TIME, AND I, THERE'S NOTHING I'VE SEEN SINCE THEN THAT HAS MADE ME THINK OTHERWISE.

SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE EXTENSION AS REQUESTED.

SO, UM, I WAS IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT DUE TO THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT THAT I SEE FROM THE PROJECT AND THE WORK THAT I THOUGHT THAT THEY DID THROUGH ALL THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, I SAT THROUGH WITH THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE BEHIND THEM TO TRY AND MEET THE CRITERION AND DEMANDS AND REQUESTS, UM, FROM THAT GROUP.

UM, SO I SUPPORTED IT THEN AND, AND I DON'T SEE ANY REASON NOT TO GIVE THEM THE EXTENSION TO CONTINUE SUPPORTING.

YEAH, I WOULD JUST ECHO WHAT, UH, MY TWO COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID ALREADY.

THE, UH, DECISION IS ALREADY TWO YEARS IN THE REAR VIEW MIRROR TO APPROVE THE PROJECT AND, UH, TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS DONE, UH, IS FAIR AND REASONABLE.

UH, MR. TATE, THANK YOU FOR, UH, YOUR WORDS CONCERNING OUR STAFF AND THANK YOU STAFF FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS PROJECT.

AND, UH, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING SOME NEW DIRT ON THE GROUND OUT THERE SOONER THAN LATER.

KATHY.

UM, I'M OPPOSED TO THIS EXTENSION BECAUSE I, UH, HAVE HAD CONCERNS FOR THE LAST 9, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 YEARS, UH, ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

IT'S BEEN GOING THAT LONG SINCE IT FIRST CAME ABOUT AND WAS INTRODUCED.

I, I THINK HERE WE ARE ALL THIS TIME LATER AND THERE'S STILL NOT A RESOLUTION TO THINGS THAT I THINK SHOULD HAVE BEEN WORKED OUT YEARS AGO.

SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE AND THEREFORE I'M GOING TO OPPOSE THE EXTENSION.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE, THE, UH, EXTENSION OF THIS.

I WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR THE BANEY FAMILY FOR COMING HERE IN FRONT OF US.

I THINK IT ACTUALLY ALWAYS SPEAKS REALLY WELL TO THE INTENTION OF THE DEVELOPERS WHEN THEY PERSONALLY APPEAR IN FRONT OF US TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND ADDRESS ISSUES THAT, THAT WE MIGHT HAVE.

AND MR. TADA, I ALSO APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AS WELL.

UM, NO DISRESPECT INTENDED AT, AT ALL.

UM, WE'VE STRUGGLED WITH OUR OWN PROJECTS.

I DON'T, I'M NOT SURPRISED BY DELAYS.

IT'S DIFFICULT TO BUILD IN SEDONA.

I SUSPECT THAT THERE'S STILL OTHER HURDLES YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO JUMP OVER, UH, UNTIL THE END, UH, TO SEE THIS PROJECT TO ITS CONCLUSION.

UM, THAT SAID, HOWEVER, IF I WAS SITTING HERE IN TWO YEARS AND YOU WERE STILL ASKING FOR A DELAY WITHOUT MUCH PROGRESS, I THINK I WOULD FEEL DIFFERENT, BUT I THINK IT'S FAIR TO, UH, GIVE YOU THE TWO YEARS AT THIS POINT.

SO THANK YOU.

BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF AN EYESORE FOR NINE YEARS, 10 YEARS.

I VOTED ON PLANNING AND ZONING FOR THIS PROJECT AND I SUPPORT IT IN THE EXTENSION OF IT.

NOW, I RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF THE DELAYS, UH, HAVE BEEN DUE TO CHANGES THAT WE AS A CITY HAVE ASKED OF YOU.

UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE RETAIL SPACE AND THEN NOT THE RETAIL SPACE.

AND, AND ALL THOSE THINGS AFFECT THE DRAWINGS AND THE TIME.

SO ANYWAY, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND I HOPE YOU CAN GET YOUR GRADING PERMIT DONE AND YOU CAN GET THE ARIZONA WATER PEOPLE OUT OF THERE, OR NOT ARIZONA, OAK CREEK.

OAK CREEK, OAK CREEK.

UM, AND I LOOK FORWARD, I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE FINAL PROJECT.

OKAY? AND, AND I WAS VOTED AGAINST THE PROJECT, BUT I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS EXTENSION, BUT I'M ONLY GONNA SUPPORT IT LIKE COUNSELOR FURMAN FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS.

'CAUSE I THINK THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT TIME TO GET THE, THE GRADING DONE, THE BUILDING'S CONSTRUCTED.

AND, AND, UH, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE ASSURED US THAT EVERYTHING'S IN PLACE AND YOU'RE JUST WAITING FOR THE GETTING APPROVAL ON YOUR PERMITS, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THE RUMOR MILL IS ALIVE AND WELL HERE.

SO WE HEAR LOTS OF THINGS, UH, AND IT'S, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR BEING HERE SO THAT WE CAN ASK YOU QUESTIONS AND GET, YOU KNOW, CLARITY AROUND THAT.

AND I WISH YOU SUCCESS AND JUST KEEP IT, KEEP IT MOVING

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WE LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THERE.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MAYOR.

SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

I APPROVE.

I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER PZ 26 DASH 0 0 0 0 4 T VILLAGE AT SADDLE ROCK CROSSING TIME EXTENSION, CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVAL CRITERIA IN LDC, SECTION 8.3, H 3D, AND SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL LISTED IN EXHIBIT C TO THIS AGENDA.

BILL SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? OPPOSED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH SET UP HERE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, WELL COUNSEL, FIRST OFF, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, MAKE THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO THE MAIN, UH, ACTION OR PRESENTATION HERE.

AND MY QUESTION TO COUNSEL IS YOU WANNA TAKE A BREAK NOW AND THEN COME BACK? ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.

OH, WELL, WE'LL BE BACK IN 15 MINUTES.

IT'S GONNA BE OKAY, TONY.

ALRIGHT, LET ME GUESS .

PERFECT.

[9.d. AB 3380 Presentation/Discussion/possible action related to the Balanced Housing Strategy. ]

AND I WANTED TO START OFF BY, UM, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT, UM, THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME YOU OR THE AUDIENCE TRULY HAS SEEN THIS IN ITS ENTIRETY, UM, BOTH PHASES OF THE DOCUMENT.

SO IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION AND I KNOW WE SENT YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION IN ADVANCE BETWEEN THE TWO, UH, SECTIONS OF THE DOCUMENT, UH, SITS AT AROUND 130 PAGES WHEN YOU ADD ALL THE COMMENTS AND ALL THE OTHER INFORMATION.

UM, I THINK YOU HAD THE PLEASURE OF REVIEWING 600 PAGES.

SO, UM, MY APOLOGIES AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE ON THAT.

SO, MY POINT, UM, SINCE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, BY ALL MEANS, DON'T FEEL OBLIGATED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS.

EVEN THOUGH WE ARE ASKING FOR ACTION TONIGHT.

WE ALSO UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT IT MAY TAKE MORE THAN ONE MEETING TO DIGEST A LOT OF THIS.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A WHILE.

SO, UM, WITH THAT SAID, UH, WE ARE PRESENTING TONIGHT, UM, BOTH SECTIONS OF WHAT IS THE FULL BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY.

AND, UM, SO I WILL JUST QUICKLY GO IN AND START RIGHT AWAY BY TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WHEN WE STARTED THIS.

AND YOU WILL RECALL WE HAD TWO HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENTS, UM, THAT WERE HERE BEFORE ME.

UM, ONE DONE IN, UH, I THINK IT WAS 2020, UM, AND ANOTHER DONE IN 2025, UM, THAT TALKED ABOUT THE HOUSING NEED FOR THE AREA.

UM, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND ADD THE IDEA OF BALANCE, LOOKING AT THIS IN COMPARISON TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY CAPACITIES ARE AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD REALLY BE INTERESTED IN, AND TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO HERE THAT REALLY ACHIEVES, UM, THAT LEVEL OF BALANCE.

UM, WE ALSO FOCUSED ON BEING VERY COMMUNITY FORWARD.

UM, THIS IS MORE THAN JUST TALKING ABOUT UNITS OF HOUSING.

THIS IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO BE AS A COMMUNITY AND THEN WHAT OUR HOUSING PROGRAM NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE TO ACHIEVE THAT.

UM, AS WE HAD STATED AT THE BEGINNING, WE WANTED THIS TO BE A DEFENSIBLE DOCUMENT AND AN ACHIEVABLE DOCUMENT.

UM, AND THEN THE FIFTH PIECE OF THIS WE THOUGHT WAS EQUALLY COMPONENT OR IMPORTANT, AND THAT IS WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO CONDUCT THIS PROCESS.

UM, IN THE AIR OF CIVILITY, WE THOUGHT IT WAS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A LEVEL OF DISCOURSE, UM, SOMETIMES A LEVEL OF DISAGREEMENT, UM, BUT NOT NECESSARILY DISRESPECT.

AND SO WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WHO HAS WORKED THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND AND HONORED THAT THAT HAS BEEN, UM, IT HAS BEEN AN HONOR TO WORK WITH A NUMBER OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THERE.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS WAS NOT DONE IN A VACUUM.

WE HAD A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, UM, THAT WE WENT THROUGH INCLUDING A SERIES OF STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS WITH INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO GIVE THEIR TIME.

UM, WE DID A SERIES OF THREE OPEN HOUSES, UM, WITH A RANGE OF, UH, OF SUCCESS IN TERMS OF PARTICIPATION.

UM, WE HAD OUR HOUSING THINK TANK, WHICH I THINK WE, UH, WE FEEL WAS A FANTASTIC, UH, SUCCESS AS A ONE AND A HALF DAY, UH, DISCUSSION OF THINGS THAT, UM, WE DIDN'T ALL NECESSARILY AGREE WITH.

AND WE BROUGHT TOGETHER, UM, VARIETY OF GROUPS THAT DID NOT NECESSARILY AGREE WITH EACH OTHER ON THE ISSUE OF HOUSING EXACTLY FOR THAT PURPOSE, TO HAVE THAT KIND OF DIALOGUE.

UM, IN ADDITION, UM, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS.

AND WHEN WE MADE THE, UM, UH, THE LAST PIECE, UM, THE STAGE TWO OR THE PHASE TWO DOCUMENT AVAILABLE, UH, FOR ONLINE FEEDBACK, WE HAD, UM, QUITE A BIT OF PARTICIPATION THERE AS WELL.

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SO THE OTHER KEY THAT WE WANNA BRING UP WITH THIS IS THAT WE ARE NOT DONE WITH THE CONVERSATION.

UM, REGARDLESS OF WHEN WE TAKE ACTION, WHETHER IT'S THIS MEETING OR THE NEXT MEETING, THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THIS FORWARD TO YOU.

UM, AFTER THE PRESENTATION IS DONE, AFTER ACTION IS TAKEN, UH, WE WILL STILL BE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S, IT'S A PLAN.

UM, BUT CONVERSATIONS ARE IMPORTANT AS WE MOVE INTO THESE ACTIONS, MOVE INTO STRATEGIES, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO HAVE DIALOGUE WITH INDIVIDUALS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR COMMUNITY, UM, ON THIS REGARD.

SO, UM, THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT.

AS I GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, I'M GONNA BE HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS.

UM, THE DOCUMENT FROM WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE VERSUS WHAT IT IS TODAY, HAS ABSOLUTELY EVOLVED.

AND IT'S EVOLVED BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION AND THE TYPES OF PARTICIPATION WE HAD.

UM, CRITICAL ASSUMPTIONS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT AT THE BEGINNING.

AND, UM, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT BROUGHT UP THINGS LIKE, HEY, MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE IN SEDONA.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

SO WE SET UP A SERIES OF CRITICAL ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE HAD HEARD FROM PEOPLE, PLUS THAT WE HAD COME UP WITH THAT WE THOUGHT WERE IMPORTANT GUIDELINES AS WE WERE CONTINUING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.

UM, SO A SERIES OF SEVEN ASSUMPTIONS.

YOU KNOW, SEDONA IS A SMALL TOURIST SPACE COMMUNITY, UM, HIGHLY DESIRABLE AS A RETIREMENT AND SEASONAL, UH, LIVING DESTINATION AND HAS BEEN FOR DECADES.

UM, IT DOES NOT HAVE THE SPACE TO HOUSE ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY WANT TO LIVE THERE, HERE, UM, NOT AND MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER THAT WE WANT TO HAVE.

SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, WE'RE PART OF THE VERDE VALLEY AREA WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES WITH DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS, AND THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO CALL SEDONA HOME.

THEY LIKE THE OPEN SPACE THAT THEY CAN HAVE IN A CORN, FOR EXAMPLE, OR THE CHARACTER THAT EXISTS IN A CLARKDALE.

AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

UM, AS A MAJOR TOURISM DESTINATION, WE RELY ON A SUBSTANTIAL WORKFORCE AND HOSPITALITY AND SERVICES.

UM, AND THAT EMPLOYMENT AND BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES OUTSIDE OF THOSE, UM, HOSPITALITY AND SERVICES ARE IN FACT LIMITED.

AND THAT PLAYS A ROLE IN THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT WILL COME TO LIVE HERE.

UM, UNLESS WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, STRATEGIES AIMED AT ASSISTED, UH, COST BURDEN HOUSEHOLDS TO REMAIN IN PLACE ARE AS IMPORTANT, UH, AS CREATING QUALITY ALTERNATIVES THAT REQUIRE MOVING.

UM, AND I WANNA STOP WITH THIS ONE JUST TO POINT OUT VERY QUICKLY THAT, UM, THE TERM COST BURDEN HOUSEHOLDS HERE IS AN ERROR, UM, THAT WE CAUGHT AS A RESULT OF ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL BRINGING UP THE DISCUSSION OF WHAT DOES COST BURDEN MEAN? AND SO, UM, WE WILL BE CHANGING THIS WITH, UM, WITH THE FINISHED DOCUMENT, UM, TO, UH, I THINK WE CALLED IT HOUSING VULNERABLE, UM, HOUSEHOLDS, UH, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S NUMERICALLY MORE DEFENSIBLE.

SO, UM, HOUSING IS A CRITICAL ELEMENT FOR BALANCE, UM, BUT IT DOESN'T STAND ALONE.

AND THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TO US NUMEROUS TIMES IS THAT WE DO NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

WE DO NEED TO BE THINKING OF CHILDCARE, EDUCATION, ET CETERA, THAT HOUSING DOESN'T SUCCEED IN A VACUUM.

AND SO WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

AND SO THOSE WERE THE SEVEN, UH, CRITICAL ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE BEGAN WITH.

UM, ALSO IN RESPONSE TO A NUMBER OF COMMENTS IS TAKING A LOOK AT GOVERNMENT'S ROLE IN HOUSING.

AND, UH, WE THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS QUESTIONING WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S ROLE REALLY SHOULD BE, UM, IN IMPACTING HOUSING AND MOVING IT FORWARD.

AND WE WANNA POINT OUT THAT, UH, THAT IT HAS BEEN A VERY LONG TIME SINCE THERE'S BEEN A FREE MARKET FOR HOUSING PERIOD.

UM, THE NEW DEAL CHANGED THE WAY WE LOOK AT HOUSING, UM, FOR THE FIRST TIME, 30 YEAR MORTGAGE MARKETS, FDIC, SECOND, A SECONDARY MORTGAGE MARKET, YOU NAME IT.

THOSE ARE SOME OF THE FOUNDING PIECES THAT ALLOW US TO CREATE HOME OWNERSHIP THAT DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE.

YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU HAD A 10 YEAR LOAN, 25% DOWN PAYMENT, AND IT WAS A BALLOON LOAN.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING BUSINESS AND IT KEPT A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM OWNERSHIP.

UM, AT THE SAME TIME, LOCAL RULES, REALIZING THAT WHILE WE MAY HAVE ONE SIDE THAT SAYS WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT THE CITY TO HAVE A ROLE, AT THE SAME TIME WE HEAR PEOPLE SAYING, BUT WE DON'T WANT APARTMENTS, OR, WE DON'T WANT THREE, WE DON'T WANT FIVE, WE DON'T WANT SEVEN STORY UNITS, UM, ET CETERA.

SO EVERY TIME WE HAVE THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION, WE ARE HAVING AN, WE ARE MAKING AN IMPACT ON THE HOUSING MARKET.

SO WE ALWAYS PLAY A ROLE IN HOUSING.

UM, AND WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION OF SHOULD WE OR SHOULD WE NOT BE INVOLVED IN HOUSING.

IT'S A DISCUSSION OF THE ROLE THAT WE CHOOSE TO PLAY AS A POLICY.

SO WE THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT

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JUST AS A SOURCE OF COMPARISON, A COUPLE OF OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WE LOOKED AT, UM, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO IMPACT THE MARKET, UM, THESE TWO PARTICULAR COMMUNITIES IN COLORADO, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, THE DEED, THE PERCENTAGE THAT ARE DEED RESTRICTED OF ALL OF THE HOUSING UNITS, ONE OF THEM 27%, ANOTHER IS 19%.

THIS IS THE WAY THEY HAVE SELECTED TO DO, UM, TO DO, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND IF WE DO THAT AS A COMPARISON, ONE IS ASPEN AND SNOWMASS, THE OTHER IS TELLURIDE.

AND THEN WE ARE SEDONA.

UM, A COUPLE THINGS TO POINT OUT THEIR PERCENTAGE VACANT, AND AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN PRESENTATIONS PAST, WHAT VACANT MEANS IS SECOND HOUSE, SECOND HOMES AND, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS, RIGHT? NONE OF THESE AREAS HAVE HIGH VACANCY RATES BY WHAT WE REALLY THINK OF AS VACANT.

UM, BUT IT SHOWS THE IMPACT OF WHAT THOSE COMMUNITIES HAVE FACED AND HOW THEY HAVE ADDRESSED IT.

UM, AGAIN, IT'S NOT TO SAY WE'RE DOING SOMETHING GOOD OR BAD.

UM, ASPEN HAS BEEN DOING THIS SINCE THE SEVENTIES, SO THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO OVER TIME MAKE AN IMPACT.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS HOW OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE CHOSEN TO PLAY A ROLE IN THE HOUSING MARKET.

TONY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

YES, MA'AM.

HOW DO THEY DO DEED RESTRICTION? SO, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

I WAS GONNA SAY, WHAT'S THEIR METHOD? SO THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT COLORADO HAS THAT WE DON'T.

UM, FOR ONE, THEY'RE NOT OPERATING UNDER THE SAME GIFT CLAUSE, UM, THAT WE DO.

AND THERE ARE STATE, UM, THERE ARE STATE, UM, PROGRAMS DEDICATED TOWARDS DEED RESTRICTION.

THEY ARE PROMOTING DEED RESTRICTIONS.

AND IN THE AREA THAT IS THE DIFFERENT SKI COMMUNITIES, UM, YOU CAN SEE THEY PUT TOGETHER A REGULAR REPORT THAT SHOWS YOU HOW ALL OF THE SKI COMMUNITIES ARE DOING.

BUT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM USES DEED RESTRICTIONS AS THEIR TOOL, BUT IT'S VOLUNTARY.

IT IS NO.

SO THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BUILD IN LAWS THAT REQUIRE, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, NEW HOUSING.

UM, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE HAS TO BE DEDICATED FOR, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND THEN THEY HAVE OVER TIME JUST ACQUIRED ALSO OTHER AFFORDABLE UNITS.

LIKE I SAID, THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE THE SEVENTIES.

UM, THE, UM, FOR ASPEN, THERE IS A HOUSING AUTHORITY, UM, THAT HOUSING AUTHORITY RECEIVES FUNDING FROM BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN OPERATE THEIR PROGRAM.

AND, UM, SO THAT'S WHERE THE DIFFERENCE IS.

BUT I THINK THE THING THAT IS THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY FOR US IS WHERE WE HAVE FOCUSED ON MAKING A DENT WITH, UM, 10 TO 30 YEARS OF AFFORDABILITY.

THEY HAVE FOCUSED ON PERMANENT AFFORDABILITY, AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN THE KEY FOR THEM.

AND, AND SO IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

UM, DO THEY STILL HAVE PROBLEMS? ABSOLUTELY.

AND I THINK LAURA JUST WENT THIS WEEKEND TO ASPEN, SO SHE CAN ATTEST AFTER TALKING TO SOME FOLKS THAT, UH, THEY STILL STRUGGLE WITH HOUSING, BUT, UH, BUT THIS IS THE EFFORT THAT THEY HAVE MADE.

AND SO AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AS A SOURCE OF COMPARISON, UM, OF WHAT SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE TOURISM BASED ARE FACING AND HOW THEY'RE DEALING WITH IT.

SO KATHY, I, I KNOW THAT PEOPLE BRING UP COLORADO COMMUNITIES A LOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE LAWS THAT DO ALLOW IT, AND THAT'S WHY IT SEEMS SO DIFFERENT.

BUT DO YOU HAVE A PIE CHART FOR SOMEBODY, ANOTHER COMMUNITY THAT IS ALSO TOURIST BASED THAT'S OUTSIDE OF COLORADO? SO WE COULD SEE HOW WE'RE DOING, BECAUSE COLORADO IS AN EXCEPTION.

COLORADO IS AN EXCEPTION, AND ACTUALLY IN THIS SAME REPORT, AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE, UM, THE REPORT THAT WE RECEIVED, BUT THEY ACTUALLY USE, UM, THEY ALSO INCLUDE A NUMBER OF OTHER, BUT THEY'RE ALL SKI BASED, I SHOULD SAY THAT THAT'S THE CAVEAT.

BUT IT DOES INCLUDE JACKSON.

IT INCLUDES, UM, A WHISTLER IN BRITISH COLUMBIA, FOR EXAMPLE.

SO IT DOES LOOK AT SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES OUTSIDE OF COLORADO AS WELL AS A SOURCE OF COMPARISON.

AND, AND YOU DO SEE A DIFFERENCE IN, IN HOW THEY'RE FOCUSING ON DEED RESTRICTIONS.

AND SOME COMMUNITIES WITHIN COLORADO ARE OPTING NOT TO DO THIS TO THE DEGREE THAT AN ASPEN OR A TELLURIDE ARE.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, I IT WOULD BE A MISSTATEMENT IF I SAID ALL OF THE TOUR SKI BASED TOURISM COMMUNITIES ARE, ARE BEING THIS AGGRESSIVE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT.

SO WHAT WE'LL BE PRESENTING IS THE TWO STEP APPROACH.

THIS INCLUDES BOTH DOCUMENTS.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE PRESENTED EARLIER ON THE UNDERSTANDING AND ANALYSIS THAT REALLY GAVE US THE UNDERSTANDING AS TO THE DIRECTION WE NEEDED TO GO.

UM, SECOND PHASE, UH, PHASE TWO IS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND ACTIONS.

I THINK WE CALLED THEM STRATEGIES AND SOLUTIONS IN THIS SLIDE, BUT WE BRING THAT TOGETHER TO POINT OUT THAT THE TWO ARE TOGETHER TO FUNCTION AS ONE DOCUMENT.

IT IS A BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY PRESENTED IN TWO SETS OR TWO STEPS.

I'M GONNA VERY QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS, UM, FOUND IN THE FIRST, UH,

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THE FIRST PHASE, BUT WE'LL DO THIS AGAIN QUICKLY BECAUSE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TIMES.

UM, SO, BUT JUST BY THE NUMBERS, UM, WE HAVE LOOKED AT WHAT HAS BEEN, GENERALLY SPEAKING, A STEADY, UH, POPULATION, UM, SINCE, UH, THE TWO, SINCE 2000.

SO FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS, WE STARTED TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A DECLINE.

THE NUMBERS WE USE SHOWED A VERY SLIGHT BUMP UP.

UM, BUT THE ESTIMATES ARE FOR IT TO START TO DECLINE AGAIN, UM, IN THE FUTURE.

THE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT HERE, UM, IS WHAT IS HAPPENING AS IT RELATES TO AGE.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE 2025, UM, YOU KNOW, PIE CHART, MEDIAN AGE, UH, FOR OUR COMMUNITY IS NOW 64.1%.

UM, THE NUMBER OF, OF PEOPLE AGED 18 OR BELOW OR BELOW 18, 7.7% IN THE, IN THE, UM, IN THE DOCUMENT ITSELF.

WE SHOW HOW THAT COMPARES TO 2020.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE MAJOR DIFFERENCES, UH, WHAT THAT HAS RESULTED IN AND WAS AGE GAPS.

AND I BRING, WE WANTED TO POINT OUT THIS SLIDE, THIS PARTICULAR GRAPHIC, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS BECAUSE WHEN WE STATED THIS BEFORE, WE SHOWED THE DEFICIT GAP, UM, WITH YOUTH AND WORKING AGE.

UM, ON THE OTHER PART OF IT, WE CALLED THAT SURPLUS OF CONCENTRATION OF SENIORS.

AND THERE WERE SOME FOLKS THAT FELT LIKE C SURPLUS WAS PROBABLY NOT THE APPROPRIATE WORD TO USE.

UM, SO AS A STATISTICIAN, THAT'S EXACTLY THE WAY I PRINTED IT DOES NOT SOUND GOOD IN PUBLIC.

SO WE, UH, WE CHANGED THAT TO A HIGHER THAN AVERAGE CONCENTRATION OF SENIORS.

SO AGAIN, AS PUBLIC COMMENT COMES IN, EVEN ON THINGS LIKE THIS, UM, WE WORK WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE PALATABLE, UM, TO THE COMMUNITY AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY ARE GROWING OLD, WE'RE GROWING OLD VERY QUICKLY COMPARED TO PEER COMMUNITIES.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND LOOKING AT ENROLLMENT BY THE NUMBERS.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS, UM, INFORMATION WE PRESENTED BEFORE, UH, WHERE WE CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE LOST 49% OF OUR STUDENT POPULATION BETWEEN 2001 AND 2025 AT THE, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICT.

WE WERE ASKED AT THAT TIME TO MAKE SURE WE WERE INCLUDING, UM, STUDENTS IN THE OTHER SCHOOLS.

SO WE MADE SURE TO INCLUDE A PIE CHART THAT SHOWED THE TOTAL NUMBER OF STUDENTS WITHIN OUR AREA BEING 917 AND WHERE THOSE STUDENTS WENT.

SO, UM, BUT BOTTOM LINE, THE, UH, DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT WE ARE LOSING OUR STUDENT POPULATION.

AGAIN, LOOKING AT INCOME AND WEALTH, UM, I GUESS BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE.

WE HAVE A GAP OR A DEFICIT, IF YOU WILL, THAT SITS IN THE RANGE OF BETWEEN 50,000 AND $200,000.

AS FAR AS HOUSEHOLDS GO, UM, THE, UH, OUR HOUSEHOLD INCOME AND MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME ARE VERY STRONG, NOT AS STRONG AS YOU WOULD EXPECT THEM TO BE.

THERE'S SOME REASONS FOR THAT.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE WEALTH INDEX, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE OUR COMMUNITY GETS ITS REVENUE STREAMS, UM, OUR WEALTH INDEX IS 155, UM, A HUNDRED IS THE AVERAGE.

SO IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA THAT, UH, THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY CARRY SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER WEALTH THAN THE AVERAGE COMMUNITY DOES.

AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT COMPARES TO SOME OTHER, UM, COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE VERDE VALLEY COMMUTING.

WE SPENT SOME ADDITIONAL TIME ON, UM, BECAUSE WE, UH, WE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS ON COMMUTING.

WE HAD INITIALLY REPORTED OUT THAT 80% OF OUR EMPLOYEES COMMUTE INTO SEDONA, AND WE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ASKING WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT, UM, AS A COMMUNITY, BECAUSE IN FACT, MOST CITIES DO SEE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF COMMUTING, UM, MOVING BACK AND FORTH.

SO WE SPENT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TALKING OR LOOKING AT HOW THAT COMPARED OVER TIME.

AND SO WE PRESENT THIS, UM, IN THE AMENDED, UH, PHASE ONE DOCUMENT, PERCENT OF COMMUTERS OVER TIME.

AND YOU CAN SEE IN 2004, UM, OUR COMMUTERS REPRESENTED 66.4, 66.5% OF OUR LABOR POOL.

TODAY IT'S 80.2, ACTUALLY IN 2022, IT WAS 80.2, UH TWO, THE 2023 NUMBERS CAME OUT ABOUT A MONTH AGO, AND THAT'S INCREASED BY ANOTHER PERCENTAGE POINT.

SO WE ARE REGULARLY INCREASINGLY BECOMING, UM, A COMMUNITY WHERE A NUMBER OF OUR WORKERS HAVE TO LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY.

AGAIN, WHY DOES THAT MATTER? UM, IT'S CHEAPER TO LIVE IN SOME OF THESE OTHER PLACES.

SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE DID WAS WE TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT THE TRUE COST IS OF LIVING IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.

IT'S NOT JUST THE COST OF HOUSING, IT'S THE COST OF TRAVEL.

UM, IT'S ALSO WHAT WE CARRY AS AN OPPORTUNITY COST.

AND FOR US,

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WE WERE VERY, VERY FINITE ON WHAT WE CONSIDERED OPPORTUNITY COST.

FOR US, IT WAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO BE SPENDING TIME TAKING A SECOND SHIFT AT A DIFFERENT JOB OR TAKING CLASSES SO THAT YOU CAN INCREASE YOUR WEALTH, ET CETERA.

SO WE LOOKED SPECIFICALLY AT THE TYPES OF CHARACTERISTICS, UM, THAT COULD BRING INCOME INTO THE COMM, INTO THE HOUSEHOLD, NOT AT QUALITY OF LIFE AND SOME OTHER TYPES OF ASPECTS THAT ARE TRADITIONALLY INCLUDED IN OPPORTUNITY COSTS.

WHEN WE ADDED THAT IN, WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THE OPPORTUNITY COST AND THE TRAVEL COST, ADDING ONTO THE MONTHLY PAYMENTS YOU'RE MAKING, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE TO LIVE HERE IF YOU ARE INCLUDING THE, THE TRAVEL COSTS, ET CETERA.

SO IT'S, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

NOT TO SAY IT'S STILL NOT CHEAPER, IT'S STILL CHEAPER TO LIVE IN COTTONWOOD, NOT NECESSARILY STILL CHEAPER TO LIVE IN CAMP VERDE THOUGH, AND DEFINITELY NOT CHEAPER TO LIVE IN THE VOC.

SO WE POINT THAT OUT JUST A POINT THAT THERE ARE OTHER COSTS THAT WE HAVE TO BE THINKING ABOUT FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN, WORKING IN HOSPITALITY, WORKING IN SERVICES, ET CETERA.

EVERY DOLLAR COUNTS.

AND SO WE WANTED TO SHOW WHAT THAT IMPACT COULD LOOK LIKE.

HOUSING NUMBERS, UM, HAVE NOT CHANGED FROM WHEN YOU'VE SEEN THEM BEFORE.

WE, WE PRESENT THIS JUST TO POINT OUT THAT WE RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM A NUMBER OF PEOPLE TELLING US HOW MUCH HOUSING IS GOING IN AND HOW IT'S CHANGING THE COMMUNITY.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS IN COMPARISON TO OUR POPULATION OR IN COMPARISON TO OUR HOUSEHOLDS, PARTICULARLY FROM THE TIME OF COVID ON, UM, YOU SEE A RAPID CHANGE.

WE'VE INCREASED A NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS FASTER, MUCH FASTER THAN OUR POPULATION, AND MUCH FASTER THAN OUR, OUR HOUSING UNITS, MUCH FASTER THAN OUR HOUSEHOLDS.

AND THAT COMES TO THE SHORT TERM RENTAL MARKET IN THE SECOND, IN THE SECOND HOME MARKET, UM, REALLY PICKING UP.

AND IF YOU COMPARE THAT TO VALUE, YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT COMPARES.

LOOKING AT OVER TIME AND COMPARISON TO OUR PEER COMMUNITIES, HOW OUR PRICE, OUR VALUE OF OUR HOMES AT COVID ABSOLUTELY SKYROCKETED WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY.

OTHER PLACES WENT UP TOO, UM, NOT THE WAY WE DID.

AND SO WE THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT.

UM, WE ALSO USE THIS SLIDE TO POINT OUT THAT WHILE IT IS MORE AFFORDABLE IN SOME CASES TO LIVE IN SOME OF OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, UM, THAT'S ALSO CHANGING.

SO THEIR VALUES ARE GOING UP AS WELL, AND THE AFFORDABILITY INDEX FOR THEM IS ALSO BECOMING INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT.

SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ARE INCREASINGLY NEEDING TO FIND A DIFFERENT PLACE.

AND SO IT'S BEING PUSHED FARTHER AND FARTHER.

UM, SO OUR COMMUTERS ARE COMMUTING LONGER AND LONGER TIMES.

SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THOSE THINGS IN MIND IN OUR TRENDS.

TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT ATTAINABLE LOOKS LIKE, UM, AGAIN, WE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT OCCUPATIONS.

UH, WE POINT OUT THAT THE, UM, TO AFFORD THE, UM, MEDIAN, UM, HOME IN SEDONA, YOU NEED TO EARN AT LEAST $214,500.

UM, WE LOOKED AT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT OCCUPATIONS, UH, CHILDCARE WORKER IN OUR AREA.

THE AVERAGE, UH, RATE IS $34,000 IN SOME CHANGE.

UM, LOOKING AT OUR POLICE OFFICERS, LOOKING AT FIREFIGHTERS, UM, UP TO NURSE PRACTITIONERS AND MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS.

AND YOU CAN SEE IF I'M A DOCTOR MAKING $188,000, I CANNOT AFFORD THE MEDIAN HOUSE IN SEDONA.

SO, UM, THIS HELPED INFORM US OF SOME OF WHERE OUR GAPS ARE.

AND, UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND.

LOOKING AT SHORT TERM RENTAL NUMBERS, AND AGAIN, WE MADE A COUPLE OF, UH, WE, WE LOOKED AT THIS IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT IMPORTANT TO AGAIN POINT OUT THAT, UM, IN 2020 10% OF OUR HOUSING STOCK WAS SHORT TERM RENTAL.

UM, TODAY 18.1% OF THE HOUSING STOCK.

UM, AND THAT'S 2025.

THE NEW NUMBERS HAVE COME IN, IT'S GONE UP ANOTHER PERCENTAGE POINT, UM, IN A YEAR.

SO, UM, SO DEFINITELY WE'RE SEEING, UH, THAT CONTINUE TO EVOLVE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN OUR HISTORY.

OUR LONG-TERM, UM, LONG-TERM RENTAL MARKET HAS FEWER UNITS THAN OUR RENTAL MARKET.

SO OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS A LOT OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS FIRST TIME.

WE PRESENTED REALLY THE GREATEST HITS, UH, TONIGHT TO, UM, TO GET BACK TO WHAT WE CONSIDERED THE MAJOR GAPS IN, UM, IN OUR COMMUNITY.

UH, SPECIFICALLY WORKING AGE HOUSEHOLDS WITH CHILDREN, UH, WORKING AGE HOUSEHOLDS EARNING 50 TO $200,000 WORKING AGE HOUSEHOLDS IN HOSPITALITY AND SERVICE, UM, AS WELL AS HOUSING VULNERABLE SEDONA SENIOR HOUSEHOLDS.

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SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR MAJOR GAPS THAT WE CAME UP WITH AS A RESULT OF THE INITIAL STUDY.

IN COORDINATION WITH THAT, WE SET UP A SERIES OF TARGETS THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE OVER THE COURSE OF 10 YEARS.

WE WANNA BE ABLE TO STABILIZE AND INCREASE STUDENT ENROLLMENT, UM, IN SEDONA SCHOOLS BY 50%.

UH, INCREASE THE PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION, UH, THAT IS BELOW THE AGE OF 65 BY 60%, UM, INCREASE THE PERCENTAGE OF CRITICAL EMPLOYEES LIVING IN SEDONA BY 15%.

THESE NEXT TWO ARE NEW.

UM, THE, UH, INCREASE OR REDUCE ECONOMIC VULNERABILITY AMONG SEDONA HOUSE SENIOR HOUSEHOLDS BY 25%, REDUCE FUNCTIONAL VULNERABILITY AMONG SEDONA SENIOR HOUSEHOLDS BY 35%.

UM, REDUCING PERCENTAGE OF HOSPITALITY AND SERVICE HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE COST BURDENED BY 25%, COMMUTERS BY 10%.

YES, SIR.

WHAT IS FUNCTIONAL VULNERABILITY? EXCELLENT QUESTION.

AND THIS GETS BACK TO WHAT IS COST BURDENED VERSUS WHAT IS A MORE DEFENSIBLE NUMBER? UM, BECAUSE WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THIS, WE WERE LOOKING AT COST BURDEN, SEDONA SENIORS.

WHAT WE FOUND IS IN LOOKING AT THE DATA, AND WE HAD SOME FOLKS THAT QUESTIONED THAT, SO WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT IT.

UM, THE DEFINITION OF COST BURDEN DOES NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE INCOME YOU BRING IN.

IT DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR WEALTH.

AND SO YOU CAN BE CONSIDERED COST BURDEN AND YOU CAN BE SITTING WITH $5 MILLION IN THE BANK, UM, OF, OF ACCUMULATED WEALTH.

IT DOES NOT COUNT YOU WOULD BE BE CONSIDERED COST BURDEN.

SO WE NEEDED SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO LOOK AT THAT GAVE US A LITTLE MORE OF A COMFORT LEVEL.

SO WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT SOME DIFFERENT DATA AND WHAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS TWOFOLD, UM, ECONOMIC VULNERABILITY THROUGH WHAT IS CALLED THE CHAS TABLES.

AND CHAS IS USED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT.

AND WHAT THAT IS, IS, UM, IT'S AFFORDABILITY STRATEGY NUMBERS THAT ARE PROVIDED TO EVERYBODY ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

UM, BUT IT STRIPS OUT SOME OF THE DEF SOME OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE WITH COST BURDEN.

SO IT GIVES MORE ACCURATE DATA OF WHAT ECONOMIC BURDEN LOOKS LIKE.

UM, WE ALSO TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT IS CALLED FUNCTIONAL VULNERABILITY.

THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES, THEY JUST CAN'T.

SO IF THEY CANNOT TAKE CARE OF THEIR HOUSE, THEY CANNOT TAKE CARE, THEY CANNOT MAKE THEIR OWN MEALS, ET CETERA.

UM, FUNCTIONALLY THEY CANNOT SERVE IT.

THEY CANNOT PROVIDE FOR THEIR HOUSEHOLD ON THEIR OWN.

AND SO WE HAVE BOTH OF THOSE NUMBERS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REMOVE THEM, WE'RE TRYING TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE WHERE WE CAN PROVIDE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO REMAIN WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

WHERE DID YOU GET THE DATA TO CLASSIFY THAT? SO WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT DATA SOURCES.

UM, WE, FOR THE ECONOMIC VULNERABILITY WAS THE CHAS DATA.

UM, FOR THE FUNCTIONAL VULNERABILITY WE WERE ABLE TO USE, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO USE THE, UM, CENSUS DATA.

SO CENSUS DATA DOES ALLOW US TO GO DEEPER INTO WHAT IS FUNCTIONAL AND WHAT IS NOT, AND WHO STRUGGLES WITH FUNCTIONALITY.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO ACQUIRE DATA FOR THAT.

SO IT'S, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT DATA SOURCES TO BE ABLE TO GET TO IT, BUT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT IT INITIALLY AND ASKING OURSELVES, WHAT DO WE REALLY MEAN BY A BURDEN, THEN WE WERE REALIZING THAT IT WASN'T REALLY JUST PRICE THAT WAS AN ISSUE, IT WAS ALSO DO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR HOUSEHOLD.

NOW WE STILL WOULD WOULD ACCOUNT FOR WEALTH.

SO WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT BUILDING HOUSING UNITS FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE ENORMOUS WEALTH AND THEY CAN HIRE STAFF TO TAKE CARE OF THESE THINGS FOR THEM.

BUT, UM, FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN'T CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THEIR HOME BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET OUT TO MAINTAIN IT, UM, THEY WOULD FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY.

AND YOU'RE SAYING THE CENSUS CAPTURED THAT MM-HMM .

ERROR IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THERE.

SO WE WERE ABLE NOW TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF CENSUS, RIGHT? AND THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH OUR NUMBERS.

SO, UM, MOST OF US REMEMBER THAT THE CENSUS HAD A LONG FORM IN A SHORT FORM, RIGHT? SO 25% OF THE COMMUNITY OF THE UNITED STATES GOT THE SHORT FORM, NO, 25% GOT THE LONG FORM, 75% GOT THE LONG FORM, 25% GOT THE SHORT FORM.

DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? NO, I DID NOT.

DO YOU REVERSE? IT'S THE OTHER WAY.

I AM SO SORRY.

UM, BUT SO THE LONG FORM INCLUDED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT VARIABLES THAT THE SHORT FORM DIDN'T.

THE SHORT FORM WAS REALLY TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WHO YOU ARE, HOW MUCH MONEY YOU MAKE, WHAT RACE YOU WERE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WERE NEEDED FOR REDISTRICTING, ET CETERA.

UM, THE SHORT FORM WAS TO GIVE YOU THE CHARACTERISTICS, THE HOUSEHOLD CHARACTERISTICS THAT WERE IMPORTANT.

THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY TRIES TO MATCH SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, BUT THEY DO IT ON AN ESTIMATE BASE, AND THAT ESTIMATE BASE CAN SOMETIMES BE AS LOW AS TWO TO 3% OF YOUR POPULATION THAT THEY'RE MAKING THOSE ESTIMATES FROM.

SO MARGIN OF

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SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ANYTHING FROM THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY, WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE ERROR RATE TO SEE IF IT'S IN AN ACCEPTABLE WINDOW AND THOSE THAT ARE WE'LL CONTINUE TO USE.

BUT, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE COST BURDEN FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA, BECAUSE WE'RE SO SMALL, THE ERROR RATE IS IS RELATIVELY HIGH, SO IT MAKES IT HARD TO JUST USE COST BURDEN.

UM, BUT FOR SOME OF THESE OTHER STATISTICS, THE ERROR RATE IS LOW ENOUGH THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE NUMBER COMES FROM.

SORRY, I GIVE YOU A VERY LONG ANSWER FOR A VERY SHORT QUESTION.

SO, BUT, SO WE MADE THESE CHANGES TO BETTER REFLECT WHAT WE WERE REALLY LOOKING TO ACHIEVE, UM, AND TO RESOLVE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED, UH, FROM COMMENTS.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE OTHER PIECE TO THIS IS HALF OF OUR UNITS OF WORKING AGE HOUSEHOLDS WOULD BE AT LEAST HALF WOULD BE OWNERSHIP BASED.

UH, WE CAME UP WITH AN ESTIMATED NUMBER OF ROUGHLY 775 UNITS, UH, 600 OF WHICH WOULD BE ESTIMATED TO GO TO WORKING AGE HOUSEHOLDS, 175 TO NOW CALLED HOUSING VULNERABLE SEDONA SENIORS, OUR ESTIMATE FOR THAT.

UM, IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT, WE TOOK A LOOK AT FOUR DIFFERENT WAYS, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE LOOKED AT NEIGHBORHOOD INFILL, UM, COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, RECOVERY AND RETENTION OF EXISTING UNITS, UM, AND NEW CONSTRUCTION OF UNITS.

AND THESE ARE ALL ESTIMATES BECAUSE THE DIFFERENT POLICY DIRECTIONS WE TAKE WILL IMPACT THOSE UNITS.

OBVIOUSLY, UH, SOME OF THESE ARE EASIER TO DO THAN OTHERS.

WHEN YOU SEE ZERO TO 10 UNITS ESTIMATED FOR COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT, THAT'S BECAUSE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT IS INCREDIBLY HARD.

AND, UM, IN AN AREA WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE JUST SIMPLY CASH FLOWING THEIR PROJECTS, IT'S HARD TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO TEAR IT DOWN AND TAKE ON DEBT AND TRY SOMETHING NEW.

SO IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT OVER THE COURSE OF 10 YEARS WE'RE GOING TO CONVINCE TO DO THAT, BUT WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE.

UM, AGAIN, SOME OF THESE NUMBERS COULD CHANGE, BUT THOSE WERE OUR TARGETS.

WE ALSO THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT.

GO AHEAD, CHERYL.

I'M SORRY.

THE TARGETS THEMSELVES COME FROM WHAT? I MEAN THOSE ARE INTERNAL ESTIMATES.

SO WHAT WE DID, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE 775 OR THE, THE LEAD TO THE 7 75, THE, UM, STABILIZE AND INCREASED TOTAL STUDENT ENROLLMENT BY 50%.

HOW DID YOU PICK 50? SURE, THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER.

SO, OR THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

AND SO WE STARTED WITH THAT ONE BECAUSE THE GOAL WAS, AND THIS WAS IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OF WHAT DOES STABILITY LOOK LIKE AND, UM, RECOGNIZING THAT PROBABLY CAN'T GET YOU TO 1300 STUDENTS AGAIN IN 10 YEARS.

UM, BUT WHAT IT DID LOOK LIKE WAS CLOSE TO A THOUSAND.

AND SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT THAT AND LOOKED AT OUR NUMBERS AND CAME UP WITH 50%.

AND THAT'S WHERE THAT NUMBER COMES FROM.

WOULD YOU SAY ALL OF THESE TARGETS ARE MID, MID-RANGE CONSERVATIVE, WILY, AMBITIOUS? GREAT QUESTION.

WE MADE SURE THAT EACH ONE OF THESE NUMBERS IS ACHIEVABLE WHEN WE MADE AN ESTIMATE.

THERE'S NO REASON WE CAN'T ACHIEVE THESE NUMBERS.

SOME OF THEM A LITTLE AGGRESSIVE.

DO WE WANT TO BE ABLE DO, CAN WE REASONABLY GET IN 10 YEARS? CAN WE INCREASE STUDENT ENROLLMENT BY 50%? WE THINK WE CAN.

UM, AGAIN, WE'LL SEE WHAT KIND OF DIFFICULTIES WE FACE ALONG THE WAY, BUT UM, EVERY NUMBER WE'VE PUT IN HERE IS AN ACHIEVABLE NUMBER.

AND SO IT'S, UH, WE ARE, THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TO TEMPER AMBITION, UH, IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO SAY THE THINGS WE WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO SAY WE CAN INCREASE IT BY A HUNDRED PERCENT.

THAT'S NOT PRACTICAL.

UM, BUT WE TOOK A LOOK AT SPACE WE HAVE AVAILABLE, UM, AS WELL AS SPACE THAT'S AVAILABLE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, ET CETERA, TO SEE WHAT PROPERTIES WE COULD EVEN UTILIZE OR UTILIZE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T OVER PROMISING FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

AND SO TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE NUMBERS, SO OUR ESTIMATES HAD TO JIVE WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS WE WERE, WE WERE, UM, THINKING THAT WE NEEDED TO ACHIEVE THESE NUMBERS.

SO WE TRIED TO, WE TRIED TO PUT EVERY LEVEL OF TEST WE COULD INTO THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD REMAINED DEFENSIBLE, UM, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

SO, UM, SO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE NUMBERS THOUGH ARE PROJECTED BY STAFF, UM, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE, THE MAJOR GAPS, THE, THE FOUR GAPS THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD AND THE NUMBERS ON THE NEXT SLIDE, EXACTLY THE SAME.

THESE ARE A REASONABLE, IT'S A REASONABLENESS TEST FROM STAFF PERSPECTIVE.

LIKE I SAID, WITH COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT, WE KNOW THAT'S INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO ENTICE PEOPLE TO DO.

SO WE TRIED TO BE

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VERY REALISTIC ABOUT THAT.

NEIGHBORHOOD INFILL, WE HAVE BETWEEN 75 AND 85 INFILL LOTTS THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, BUT WE GOTTA CONVINCE SOMEBODY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEM.

SO WE SET IT AT BETWEEN 50 AND 75.

UM, SAME THING WITH RECOVERY AND RETENTION.

WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF RECAPTURING SOME OF OUR EXISTING UNITS, UM, WITH EACH ONE OF THESE STEPS.

PART OF THE REASON WE DID THIS WAS BECAUSE THE REACTION WE RECEIVED FROM A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WAS, DON'T DEPEND JUST ON NEW CONSTRUCTION.

TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE EXISTING AND SEE WHAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO THERE.

SO WE TRIED AGAIN TO, UH, UM, TO RESPOND WHEN PEOPLE SAID TO, TO LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE PROJECTIONS COME FROM.

WE ALSO HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN DEVELOPMENT THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES DON'T.

UM, AND THESE ARE JUST REALISTIC MAJOR DEVELOPMENT COSTS, UM, THAT WE HAVE.

LAND ACQUISITION IS EXPENSIVE HERE.

MATERIAL AND LABOR COSTS, GETTING MATERIALS HERE, VERY EXPENSIVE SCARCITY OF BUILD BUILDABLE LAND.

IT IS WHAT IT IS.

WE ARE ALMOST IN REDEVELOPMENT MODE.

UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF, OF VACANT LAND LEFT, AND WHAT WE DO HAVE IN MANY CASES IS NOT EASY TO BUILD ON.

SO, UM, ALSO LOOKING AT, UM, SENSITIVE AREAS, STEEP SLOPES, WILDFIRE RISK, FLOOD RISK, UM, AND INCLUDING LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE RESTRICTIONS ON PROPERTIES.

UM, SO WE FACTOR ALL OF THIS IN TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE COSTS, MANY OF WHICH ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CONTROL OF STAFF, BUT AS IT RELATES TO THE LDC, WE DO HAVE CONTROL.

AS A PERFECT EXAMPLE, WHEN WE LOOK AT HOUSING TYPES PERMITTED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO PERMIT, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, LIVE, WORK, HOUSING, UM, WE CAN DO THAT IN 6% OF THE PROPERTIES WITHIN SEDONA MULTIFAMILY, 7%.

IF YOU WANT TO DO, UM, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, YOU CAN DO THAT IN 50%, UM, AS A PERMITTED USE.

MOST PLACES THAT WE DO ALLOW MANY OF THESE ALTERNATIVE USES, UM, REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

AND WE BRING THIS UP TO SHOW THAT IF SOMEBODY IS INTERESTED IN DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO CREATE MORE AFFORDABILITY, IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DO IT HERE, AND OUR CODE IS THE FAULT.

SO AGAIN, NOTHING WRONG, THAT'S JUST THE CODE BY DESIGN.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL TAKE UP AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGES WE COULD POTENTIALLY MAKE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

EXISTING HOUSING PROJECTS WE'VE ALREADY PRESENTED ON THIS, UM, WE'VE, UH, PRESENTED HERE RECENTLY AND WE'VE UPDATED THIS TO SHOW THAT VILLA ON SHELBY IS COMPLETE AND FULL.

SO, UM, SO WE'RE EXCITED BY THAT, GETTING INTO THE NEW STUFF.

THE, UM, OOPS, WE CAN TURN OFF THE UPDATES.

UM, SO WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO POINT OUT THAT WHEN WE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE DID THIS IN A STREAM, WE STARTED WITH OUR TARGETS AND GAPS.

HOW DO WE GET THERE? WE LOOKED AT SIX BROAD FOCUS AREAS.

I'LL TALK IN TWO IN A MINUTE.

EACH ONE OF THOSE HAS A SERIES OF STRATEGIES.

EACH STRATEGY SERIES OF ACTIONS, EACH ACTION HAS A SERIES OF TASKS.

SO WE CALL THIS THE HOW AND THE WHY.

WE DO THIS FOR, AGAIN, TO MAKE THE DOCUMENT AS DEFENSIBLE AS POSSIBLE.

IF ANYBODY ASKS HOW WE GET FROM TARGETS, WE'RE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO TASKS.

IF SOMEBODY ASKS WHY WE DO A THING, WE'RE ABLE TO START AT TASKS AND WE CAN GO ALL THE WAY BACK UP TO THE TARGETS.

SO IT HELPS PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE DO THE THINGS WE DO.

UM, SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE IN THE DOCUMENT SIX MAJOR FOCUS AREAS WE'RE LOOKING AT.

UM, AND AGAIN, THIS CAME AS A RESULT OF RESPONSE TO, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY LOOKING AT BUILDING AND IMPLEMENTING THE RIGHT ADMINISTRATIVE TOOLS, UPDATING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS, PRESERVING EXISTING HOUSING FOR LONG-TERM RESIDENTS, FACILITATE NEW DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS THE AREA WE WERE PRIMARILY GOING WITH BEFORE.

UM, REFINING AND PURSUING FUNDING OPTIONS AND SUPPORTING HOUSING STABILITY THROUGH QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVEMENTS.

EACH ONE OF OUR STRATEGIES FALLS INTO ONE OF THOSE GROUPS, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THESE RELATIVELY QUICKLY, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO STOP AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF SLIDES.

UM, BUT LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES FOR ADMINISTRATING ADMINISTRATIVE TOOLS AND THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE, ESTABLISHING A MORE COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH, UM, TO GUIDE CITY PARTICIPATION IN HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT RELATED PROJECTS, PROGRAMS AND IMPLEMENTATION EFFORTS.

UM, TODAY THAT'S CALLED THE DIGA.

AND UM, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO IS ESSENTIALLY REPLACE THE DIGA WITH SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE ENCOMPASSING.

SO, AND SOMETHING CLOSER

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TO MEASURING AN ACCOUNTABILITY TOOL TO THE, UH, STATE OF ARIZONA GIFT CLAUSE.

SO WE WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE LEVEL OF PUBLIC BENEFIT WE RECEIVE AND MAKING SURE THAT THE MAGNITUDE OF, OF PUBLIC INVESTMENT THAT'S MADE CORRESPONDS TO THE LEVEL OF PUBLIC BENEFIT WE'RE GETTING FROM A PROJECT OR FROM A PROGRAM, ET CETERA.

THE NICE THING ABOUT THAT IS IT GOES BEYOND THE CODES, UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOUR DIGA LOOKS AT YOUR CODES AND IT LOOKS AT OUR ABILITY TO EXPEDITE PROJECTS THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

AND THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT DIGA HAS TO OFFER.

BUT AS A CITY, WE HAVE INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

WE CAN MAKE, WE OWN LAND, WE CAN DECIDE TO INVEST IN PROJECTS IF THE INVESTMENT MAKES GOOD SENSE AND PASSES THE GIFT CLAUSE.

UM, WE HAVE OTHER REGULATORY OPPORTUNITIES, REZONING, AGAIN, THERE'S ALL SORTS.

THERE'S A VARIETY OF WAYS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE CAN MAKE ON PROJECTS.

SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CONTRIBUTIONS OUTSIDE OF THE DIGA THAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE INVEST PUBLIC, PUBLIC DOLLARS.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS TOOL IS INTENDED TO DO, IS TO LOOK AT IT FROM A MORE ENCOMPASSING APPROACH, UM, AND, AND BE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS AT DESIGNATED COMMUNITY PRIORITIES, WHAT OUR INVESTMENT POLICY LOOKS LIKE, AN EVALUATION GUIDE TO HELP MAKE DETERMINATION FOR EACH ONE OF THE PROJECTS.

SO WHEN WE BRING YOU SOMETHING, WE CAN BRING YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT LOOKS LIKE, SO THEN YOU CAN MAKE A MORE INFORMED DECISION AS TO THE LEVEL OF INVESTMENT YOU AS, AS COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.

SO THAT'S STRATEGY ONE.

STRATEGY TWO, IMPROVING CURRENT ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES AND PRACTICES TO IMPROVE OVERALL CUSTOMER SERVICE.

UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE PROCESS WE GO THROUGH, EVERY SINGLE PERMIT.

IN SOME CASES WE'LL BE ASKING IF THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT PERMIT TO TRULY EXIST.

UM, IN OTHER CASES, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT WAYS WE CAN MAKE THE PROCESS MOVE SMOOTHER.

UM, SO WE ARE ALL ABOUT TAKING APART EVERY ASPECT OF THE WAY WE ADMINISTER THINGS JUST TO SEE IF WE CAN, IF, IF THERE'S A BETTER MOUSE TRAP OUT THERE.

SO THAT'S WHAT STRATEGY NUMBER TWO ALLOWS US TO DO.

DEVISING METHODS TO MEASURE CUSTOMER SATISFACTION AND FEEDBACK.

UM, WE THINK THIS IS CRITICAL, AND THIS ALSO GOES BACK TO THE DISCUSSION, THE AUDIT, THE AUDIT COMMITTEE HAS BEEN HAVING IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE DELIVERING.

UM, BUT NOT NECESSARILY ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE OUTCOME? AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT THING.

IF YOU COME TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE SOME PEOPLE JUST AREN'T GONNA BE HAPPY WITH THE OUTCOME BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE ANSWER'S NO.

UM, BUT HOW WAS YOUR EXPERIENCE? DID WE SPEAK TO YOU PROFESSIONALLY? DID WE HANDLE THIS IN A COURTEOUS MANNER? DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE LISTENED AND RESPONDED IN KIND? THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

I DON'T MIND TELLING SOMEONE NO, IF THE RULES TELL ME I NEED TO TELL SOMEONE NO.

BUT THEY SHOULD WALK OUT, RESPECTED, AND THEY SHOULD WALK OUT FEELING LIKE THEY'VE RECEIVED GOOD QUALITY CUSTOMER SERVICE, EVEN IF THE ANSWER THEY GOT WAS NOT WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.

AND SO THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING WE WANNA BE ABLE TO MEASURE.

DID WE DO OUR JOB WELL? WERE WE COURTEOUS? WERE WE PROFESSIONAL? DID WE MOVE THE PROCESS AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD? THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE WANT TO ASK PEOPLE.

UPDATING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF THESE.

WE ARE, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS AS PART OF, PART OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

SO THESE ARE ALL JUST RECOMMENDATIONS TO GO IN THERE, BUT PURSUING TARGETED UPDATES TO, TO OUR REGULATORY DOCUMENTS, ONE OF WHICH, LOOKING AT OUR ALLOWABLE USES, AND AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT I SHOWED JUST A COUPLE MINUTES AGO, AND THE IDEA THAT IF YOU WANTED TO DO A DUPLEX, NOT NECESSARILY EASY HERE.

AND SO DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT? UM, ADDING DIFFERENT, MISSING MIDDLE SCALE, SMALL SCALE MIXED USE HOUSING STANDARDS, REDUCING PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UPDATING DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS, UM, ALLOWING ADUS AND LOT SPLITS WHERE THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, EXISTS SO THAT WE PROVIDE MORE AFFORDABLE OPPORTUNITIES.

UM, LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL FOR FORM-BASED CODE AND ANY OTHER REGULATOR.

SO ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT PIECES ARE GOING TO BE PART OF THE REVIEW THAT WE DO ANYWAY AS PART OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT THEY, THE, UM, BUT THIS WAS INTENDED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME THAT WERE IMPORTANT.

STRATEGY FIVE, SPEEDING UP THE APPROVAL PROCESS AS A TOOL IN, IN OUR, UH, TOOLKIT, UM, CREATING WHAT WE'RE CALLING A CONCIERGE SERVICE.

UM, WE CAN ALREADY DO EXPEDITED SERVICE, BUT FOR GROUPS THAT ARE HEAVILY INVESTED IN THE THINGS THAT COUNCIL SEES AS A PRIORITY, THERE ARE OTHER STEPS WE CAN TAKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PROCESS MOVES EVEN FASTER OR THAT

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THAT PROJECT MOVES EVEN FASTER THROUGH THE PROCESS.

AND SO THAT, AGAIN, WE CAN DO TWO SCALES OF EXPEDITING, WE CAN HAVE AN EXPEDITED SERVICE AND THEN WE CAN HAVE ONE THAT'S THE CONCIERGE SERVICE WHERE WE START WITH AN INDIVIDUAL ON STAFF THAT LITERALLY TAKES OWNERSHIP OF THAT PROJECT, THEIR JOB, AND THEY ARE JUDGED BY THEIR ABILITY TO MOVE THAT PROJECT THROUGH US, THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS, THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, ET CETERA.

THEY OWN THE PROJECT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, UM, AND THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO IT.

AND SO IT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF SERVICE, UM, THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE.

AGAIN, THIS IS AN IDEA WE'VE GOTTA PICK APART AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH IT.

UM, CHARLOTTE HAS A QUESTION.

YES, MA'AM.

ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THAT WOULD COME AT AN ADDITIONAL COST? NOPE.

NOPE.

WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEBODY DOES COME IN AND THEY ARE MEETING, LET'S SAY THEY WANT TO COME IN AND DO ENERGY, YOU KNOW, ENERGY IMPROVEMENTS, SUSTAINABILITY IMPROVEMENTS.

THEY WANNA DO FIRE SAFE, SEDONA IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEY WANNA COME IN AND BRING UNITS THAT YOU WANT TO SEE THAT MEET ONE OF YOUR, YOUR FOUR CATEGORIES.

UM, WHAT THEY NEED IS A CERTAIN MAGNITUDE OF HELP.

WELL, ONE OF THOSE TOOLS, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN IMPACT A PROJECT.

UM, ONE OF THE BIG WAYS WE CAN ALWAYS IMPACT A PROJECT IS TIME.

UH, ONE OF THE WAYS TO KILL A PROJECT IS TIME, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION COSTS, ET CETERA.

SO BY, BY PROVIDING THIS SERVICE, WE MOVE YOU THROUGH EVEN FASTER THAN IF WE WERE SAYING WE'RE GONNA EXPEDITE.

SO IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S THE FREQUENT FLYER THAT GETS THE FRONT SEAT BUSINESS CLASS, IF YOU WILL.

UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, WHAT WE GET IN RETURN IS THE LEVEL OF PUBLIC OR THE, UM, THE PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT COMES FROM THAT PROJECT.

AND SO NO ADDITIONAL COST, UM, BOLSTERING EXISTING CITY HOUSING PROGRAMS. YES, MA'AM.

SO IT'S SORT OF A PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT BECAUSE OF A COMMUNITY BENEFIT MM-HMM .

BUT HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT THE TIMELINE ON OTHER APPLICATIONS THAT ARE PENDING IN THE DEPARTMENT FOR SMALLER PROJECTS? I DON'T WANNA HURT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO BUILD A SINGLE HOUSE OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? HOW DO YOU BALANCE THAT? AND THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO MEASURE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO ACHIEVE IT.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO RUN ALL THOSE TRAPS IN ADVANCE.

WE RUN THROUGH OUR TRADITIONAL PROCESS, RUN THROUGH WHAT LOOKS LIKE BY AS, AS AN EXPEDITED PROCESS AND WHAT LOOKS LIKE AS A CONCIERGE SERVICE, AND ASK THOSE EXACT SAME QUESTIONS, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF IT BEING A, A STRATEGY, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT, WE'RE GONNA TEST IT.

IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, WE TRIED IT, EXACT SAME THING.

WHAT IT WOULD DO WOULD, IT WOULD REDUCE OUR, UM, ABILITY TO MOVE OTHER PROJECTS BY 35% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO IF WE GO THROUGH AND, AND FIND OUT THAT IT'S NOT A PRACTICAL THING, WE'LL COME BACK AND TELL YOU THAT.

SO, BUT WE WILL BE TAKING THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.

THE IDEA IS DEFINITELY NOT TO PENALIZE ANYBODY ELSE, IT'S TO SEE CAN WE PROVIDE AN EXPEDITED SERVICE IN A DIFFERENT WAY AND STILL ACHIEVE ALL OF OUR OBJECTIVES.

SO, TONY, YOU SAID IT WASN'T GONNA COST MORE MONEY, BUT MM-HMM .

AND YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN THROUGH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU'RE HALFWAY OR NOT EVEN HALFWAY THROUGH.

TO ME, IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK HERE.

COME FROM THE CONSULTANT.

AND I'M LOOKING AT THE TWO PEOPLE WHO DO THIS WORK, AND ONE OF THEM HAS ANOTHER JOB.

YES, MA'AM.

SO HOW COULD IT NOT COST MONEY? SO IT WILL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL PRESENT, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE READY TO HIRE THE PERSON THAT WOULD BE REPLACEMENT FOR THE HOUSING MANAGER.

UM, AND, UH, WE WON'T, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A HOUSING MANAGER PER SE.

WE ARE, WHAT WE TITLED IT IS A HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION SPECIALIST.

SO NOT QUITE MANAGER LEVEL.

UM, BUT WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT CAN BASICALLY TAKE THESE ON AND MOVE THESE, AND THIS WILL BE THEIR JOB IS TO IMPLEMENT THE, UH, BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY.

AND LAURA WILL BE ASSISTING WITH SOME OF THE PROGRAMS, ET CETERA.

UM, BUT THAT PERSON'S JOB IS PRIMARILY GOING TO BE MOVING THROUGH THESE.

NOW, I WILL SAY THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A COUPLE OF THESE THAT WE LOOK AT AFTER FURTHER DISCUSSION AND DECIDE THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO THEM.

UM, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

THE NEXT STRATEGY, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXISTING CITY HOUSING PROJECTS, RENT LOCAL AND THE CURRENT DEED RESTRICTION PROGRAM, NEITHER ONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN EFFECTIVE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

UM, SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE.

IF THERE'S A CHANCE THERE'S A GOOD REASON TO SAVE 'EM, WE WILL.

BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS FOR US AND, AND WE'RE NOT GAINING ANYTHING, THERE'S A COMMUNITY, THEN LET'S PUT OUR RESOURCES SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND SO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT'LL BE TWOFOLD.

IT'S ALSO BEING REALISTIC ON SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND IN FAIRNESS, EXPANDING, ENHANCING THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM WAS MY IDEA.

THAT DIDN'T

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THAT WAS ME WITH THE HAIR-BRAINED IDEA THAT, NO, THIS IS GOOD, LET'S KEEP IT.

AND THEN AFTER GOING BACK AND LAURA SHOWED ME THE NUMBERS, IT'S LIKE, NO, THAT WAS REALLY A STUPID IDEA.

UM, SO WE'LL PROBABLY RECOMMEND LOSING BOTH OF THOSE PROGRAMS 'CAUSE WE THINK WE HAVE BETTER SOLUTIONS OUT THERE.

AND, AND WE'RE STARTING TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT WE THINK WILL SIMPLIFY A LOT OF THIS, THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOT OF THESE IDEAS AND PUT THEM INTO TWO OR THREE PROGRAMS. SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT 15 PROGRAMS PER SE.

SO THAT'S PART OF HOW WE PLAN TO ACCOMPLISH IT.

YOU HAVE A SAMPLE, A TIMELINE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO BUILD THAT OUT TO REAL TIMELINE.

I THINK THAT'S, IF, IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO TAKE ACTION TONIGHT, AND WE COME BACK TO THIS, AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS WE WILL FOCUS ON DURING THAT INTERIM TIME IS THAT LAST PIECE OF, OF THE PHASE TWO DOCUMENT IS THE IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN HIGHLIGHTED IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF THINGS THAT SAY IMMEDIATELY, UM, THEN YEAH, MAYBE I DON'T HAVE ANOTHER JOB FOR A WHILE.

, RIGHT? .

UM, SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY REALISTIC WITH ALL OF THOSE AND COME BACK TO YOU WITH, AGAIN, IF THERE WAS A PLACE THAT I WOULD LOOK AT IT AND SAY, AH, WE WERE A LITTLE TOO AMBITIOUS, THAT WOULD BE THE PLACE, IS THAT I THINK WE, WE, AND AGAIN, PARTLY MY FAULT, UM, BECAUSE I PUSHED THE CONSULTANTS, LET'S PUSH, LET'S PUSH, LET'S PUSH, AND THEY DELIVERED.

UM, THEY GAVE ME A LOT OF WORK TO DO.

UM, BUT I THINK WE CAN COME BACK AND LOOK AT THAT IN A MORE MODERATE, UM, REALISTIC FASHION IN TERMS OF WHAT IT'LL TAKE TO COMPLETE SOME OF THESE.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, COME BACK WITH A COUPLE OF THESE CHANGED A BIT SO THAT THEY LOOK, UM, SIMPLER.

HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE YOU TO DEVELOP THAT? WE CAN DO IT IN TWO WEEKS.

YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT IN TWO WEEKS, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY WE ALREADY HAVE SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT WE WANT TO DO.

UM, AND THE CONSULTANT WILL WORK CLOSELY WITH THE CONSULTANTS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE MATERIALS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE CHANGES.

UM, BUT WE'LL PROBABLY SPEND ABOUT A WEEK REWORKING SOME OF THE STRATEGIES.

UM, AGAIN, SIMPLIFYING AND MAKING A COUPLE OF NUANCE CHANGES THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT HERE IN A MOMENT.

UM, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE ANYTHING THAT'S LIKE, WOW, WE DIDN'T EXPECT THAT.

UM, AND THEN THE IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM, I WILL TELL, YOU'LL COME BACK IN A, A MORE MODERATE FORM.

WE'LL BE MORE REALISTIC ON HOW WE CAN ACHIEVE THESE THINGS.

WE'LL STILL DO THE 10 YEAR WINDOW, BUT WE MAY, SO YOU NEED REAL FEEDBACK TONIGHT.

WE DO.

FROM THE EXTENT THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

UM, WE'LL THROW SOME IDEAS OUT AT YOU HERE AT THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION.

AND, UM, AND WE'D REALLY LIKE TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON SOME OF THOSE.

UM, THEY BUILD OFF OF THESE STRATEGIES.

UM, BUT WE WOULD AMEND SOME OF THESE STRATEGIES ACCORDINGLY, DEPEND ON, DEPENDING ON YOUR THOUGHTS.

SO, BUT YES, SO AND ALL, SORRY, I REALIZE I'M GOING MUCH SLOWER THAN I THOUGHT I WOULD.

UM, SO I'LL TRY TO BURN THROUGH THESE QUICKLY, BUT PLEASE TELL ME TO SLOW DOWN IF, UH, IF, IF YOU NEED ME TO, UM, PARTNERING WITH EMPLOYERS AND DEVELOPERS TO EXPAND THE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE SEDONA WORKFORCE, SEDONAS WORKFORCE.

THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WE'RE GONNA SCRUTINIZE.

UM, WE'VE HEARD FROM ANOTHER A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT, UM, THAT THIS IS PROBABLY NOT A STRATEGY WE NECESSARILY NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN.

WE THINK THERE ARE SOME OTHER WAYS WE CAN PROBABLY, UM, ENCOURAGE THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO DO ITS OWN THING.

UM, BUT WE HAVE SOME IDEAS THAT WE'D RATHER BE PUTTING OUR MONEY INTO, UM, THAN NECESSARILY, UM, WORKING, YOU KNOW, HELPING EMPLOYERS COME UP WITH THEIR OWN HOUSING PROGRAMS, PROTECTING THE EXISTING HOUSING STOCK FOR SEDONAS WORKFORCE.

UM, SOME OF THESE I WILL TELL YOU WILL CHANGE, BUT CREATING A LOCAL ACQUISITION AND PRESERVATION FUND, UH, THROUGH THE CITY HOUSING FUND.

THE IDEA BEING TO RECAPTURE SOME OF OUR EXISTING HOUSING STOCK.

UM, WHAT CHANGES ABOUT THAT SINCE WHEN WE FIRST PRESENTED IT IS GOING BACK TO THE IDEA OF, AND THIS WILL BE A POLICY QUESTION FOR YOU AS A COUNCIL.

UM, DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE ON PROGRAMS THAT PROMOTE 10 TO 30 YEARS OF AFFORDABILITY? OR DO WE WANT TO, UH, HIT THE GAS AND REALLY FOCUS ON PERMANENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS? UM, AND THIS IS AN AVENUE WHERE WE WOULD BE DOING EXACTLY THAT.

UM, WE WOULD BE DEVELOPING A PROGRAM THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO PLAY A ROLE, UH, A MUCH HEAVIER ROLE OR A MUCH, UM, MORE AGGRESSIVE ROLE, IF YOU WILL, ON PEOPLE WANTING TO COME IN AND ACQUIRE HOMES WITHIN THE AREA.

IT COULD BE NEW HOMES, IT COULD BE EXISTING HOMES, UM, BUT IT WOULD ALSO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE HOMES AS THEY'RE PURCHASED AND MAKE THEM PERMANENTLY AFFORDABLE.

SO NOT AS DEED RESTRICTIONS.

AND WE'VE TALKED TO A COUPLE FOLKS ABOUT THAT.

AND, AND DEED RESTRICTIONS DON'T

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DO THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR US THAT THEY DO IN THE STATE OF COLORADO.

SO WE'D BE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT PROGRAM THAT I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT HERE IN JUST A SECOND AS WE GET THERE.

BUT SOME OF THIS MERGES INTO THAT, UM, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'D BE ASKING FOR AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF MONEY BEFORE YOU LEAVE ACTION.

8.1.

UM, FLAGSTAFF AND COTTON WOULD'VE BOTH PURCHASED, UM, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, HOTELS, UM, MOTELS.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CAPTURED UNDER HERE OR, BECAUSE YOU ARE LOOKING AT AS, AS, UM, SMALL APARTMENT BUILDINGS, DUPLEXES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, SCATTERED SITE RENTALS.

WHAT DO YOU, WHERE DO YOU SEE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES? I THINK THIS IS WHERE THAT WOULD LAND BECAUSE IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE BECOMING, UM, A SMALL APARTMENT COMPLEX, IF YOU WILL.

UM, SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T, THAT EXISTED AS COMMERCIAL OR LODGING CURRENTLY.

UM, THAT WAS, THAT IS AIMED TO BE CONVERTED.

UM, THEN IT CAN FALL HERE.

IT COULD ALSO FALL INTO THE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT CATEGORY.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW AS WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT I THINK CURRENTLY MY INITIAL THOUGHT WOULD BE THIS 8.1 IS WHERE THAT WOULD LAND.

SO.

AND TO YOUR QUESTION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO ABOUT, AS YOU SAID, FULL ON FOR PERMANENT VERSUS A MORE SHORT TERM, LIKE A 30 YEAR MM-HMM .

WE'RE GONNA HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE MY QUESTION WOULD BE WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE EITHER OR, YOU KNOW, WHY CAN'T IT BE A COMBINATION? I AGREE WITH YOU CO COMPLETELY INTO THE CONVERSATION.

PRESERVING EXISTING HOUSING FOR LONG-TERM RESIDENTS.

AND I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS WHERE WE CAN DO BOTH MM-HMM .

BECAUSE IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE ACQUIRING THE RIGHTS TO PERMANENT AFFORDABILITY, UM, PER UNIT.

UM, AT THE SAME TIME, THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME OTHER FOLKS THAT COME IN AND, AND SAY, WE'RE ALL ABOUT THE 30 YEAR, BUT THAT'S, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT, AND THAT'S IT.

AND SO WE HAVE SOME SOLUTIONS THERE TOO.

SO, YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY.

WE HEAR YOU.

SOME OF THE OTHER POINTS IN HERE IN TERMS OF TRACKING TRENDS, DEVELOPING INVENTORIES, THOSE ARE THINGS WE DO NOW.

SO THAT HASN'T CHANGED.

OBVIOUSLY.

WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW YOU STATS ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS, SO NOTHING CHANGES THERE.

STRATEGY NINE, IMPLEMENTING A MARKETING AND NAVIGATION PROGRAM FOR SEDONAS HOUSING RESOURCES.

UM, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A QUESTION OF HOW DO WE GET SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS OUT TO REALTORS? HOW DO WE GET THEM OUT TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS SO THAT PEOPLE REALIZE WE HAVE A HOUSING DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.

THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

HOW DO WE DO A BETTER JOB OF, OF GETTING THE WORD OUT, UM, ABOUT PROGRAMS WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, 10 ESTABLISHING A PROGRAM TO SPUR ADUS AS LONG TERM RENTAL UNITS OR OTHER SMALL SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBLE HOUSING UNITS.

UM, AND THE IDEA, THIS AGAIN GOES BACK TO THE IDEA THAT IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO IT AND YOU'RE WILLING TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT KEEPS IT AFFORDABLE OVER A LONGER TERM, MAYBE WE'RE, WE'RE INTERESTED IN HELPING YOU OUT IN THAT PROCESS.

SO IT'S JUST, UM, AGAIN, WHAT IS A PUBLIC BENEFIT AND WHAT IS THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF, OF PUBLIC INVESTMENT IN ORDER TO DO THAT? AND IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO? STRATEGY 11 USE OF PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC LAND AND STRATEGIC LAND ACQUISITION TO CONSTRUCT NEW HOUSING? AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT 24 11, YOU'VE GOT 89 A OR YOU'VE GOT 24 11 ON 89 A.

YOU'VE GOT, UH, 2020 SUNSET DRIVES, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS SUNSET LOFTS, UM, ALREADY READY TO GO.

UM, AND WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON THOSE.

THE QUESTION IS THE TYPES OF HOUSING WE WANNA PUT THERE.

UM, SO WE'RE READY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION EVALUATING OTHER CITY OWNED LAND FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF NEW HOUSING, UM, AND PURSUE HOUSING WHERE APPROPRIATE.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DECENT SIZED, UM, PIECES OF PROPERTY.

UH, WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH AREA RESIDENTS BEFORE WE COME IN AND, AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR ANY OF THOSE, BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE IN AREAS WHERE WE WOULD PROBABLY RECEIVE, UM, A DESIRE TO HAVE CONTINUED CONVERSATION, IF WE WILL, ON, UH, THE NUMBER AND THE, UM, QUALITY CHARACTER, IF ANY.

SO, SO THIS WAS ONE AREA WHERE IN THE ACTUAL PLAN IT SAID LONG TERM.

AND I REACTED TO THAT THINKING WE SHOULD BE DOING THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, AT LEAST THE PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE.

AND I DON'T, DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER LONG TERM MEANT THIS WOULD, IT WOULD START NOW AND OCCUR OVER A LONG TERM, OR WE WOULDN'T START IT UNTIL THE LONGER TERM WASN'T CLEAR TO ME.

THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, MADAM MAYOR.

AND THE ANSWER IS YES TO BOTH, IF YOU WILL.

SO I'M, I'M GONNA GIVE A CURVE BALL ANSWER IN THE FACT THAT LIKE 24 11 SUNSET LOFTS, WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION DECIDE HOW WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD ON THOSE, AND WE CAN ISSUE AN RFP VERY QUICKLY ON THOSE.

SOME OF THESE OTHER SITES THAT WE HAVE ARE GOING TO BE MORE CONTROVERSIAL, AND SO

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WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SLOW WALK THOSE SITES AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE COMMUNITY BUY-IN, UM, BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE DECIDE TO COME IN AND PROPOSE, UH, USE OF SOME OF THOSE FOR RESIDENTIAL USE.

AND SO SOME OF THOSE ARE GONNA TAKE A LITTLE LONGER BECAUSE THE CONVERSATIONS ARE GONNA TAKE LONGER.

UM, BUT WE WANT, WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALLOW THE COMMUNITY TO BE A PART OF THAT, A PROCESS.

AND SO FOR SOME OF THOSE IT WILL BE A LONG TIME.

UM, BUT FOR SOME OTHERS THAT WE'RE PRIMED TO GO, I'D SAY WE SHOULD KICK IT INTO HIGH GEAR AND, AND GET 'EM GOING.

SO STRATEGY 12, SEEKING PARTNERSHIPS WITH OTHER PUBLIC AND INSTITUTIONAL PARTNERS TO UTILIZE NON-CITY OWNED PROPERTY.

UH, WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN HOUSING, UM, THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY A MUNICIPALITY.

AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE, UH, THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

THAT'S WHAT THAT STRATEGY ESSENTIALLY, UM, PROPOSES TO DO SPRING COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT WITH A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.

AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO BEING ABLE TO NUDGE, UM, INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE, FRANKLY HAVE COMMERCIAL PROJECTS THAT ARE LONG IN THE TOOTH.

THEY'RE READY TO BE REDEVELOPED, THEY'RE JUST CASH FLOWING.

SO HOW DO WE NUDGE THEM INTO REDEVELOPMENT STRATEGY 14, COMPLETING SPECIAL AREA PLANS, UM, WITH LONG RANGE EFFORTS.

WE ARE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT DOING THOSE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE COMMUNITY FOCUS AREAS YOU'VE HAD IN THE PAST.

UM, THESE WOULD HAVE AN ACTION COMPONENT TO THEM, UM, TO MOVE THEM FROM THE IDEA OF CONCEPT TO REALITY.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE IT TYPES OF COMMUNITY FOCUS AREAS STUDIES THAN YOU'VE SEEN IN IN SOME OF THE PAST STUDIES.

UM, MOVING TO 15, WORKING WITH HOAS TO REMOVE BARRIERS TO A BROAD RANGE OF HOUSING OPTIONS.

THIS IS TRULY A SLOW WALK PROCESS.

THEY'RE HOAS.

UM, AND IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO INTRUDE ON HOAS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF THEY'RE OPEN TO AN IDEA, WE CAN HELP THEM THROUGH IT.

IF THEY'RE NOT OPEN TO AN IDEA, WE WANNA RESPECT THAT.

AND SO, BUT WE JUST WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IDEAS AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY.

WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET TURNED DOWN ON A, ON A WIDE VARIETY OF THEM, IF NOT ALL, BUT IT'S A CONVERSATION.

ACTIVELY USING EXISTING SITTING HOUSING FUNDS TO ACHIEVE HOUSING TARGETS.

UM, I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT IN JUST A SECOND AS WE TALK ABOUT WAYS WE CAN ACHIEVE THESE.

MAY I ASK, SO TONY, IS THERE A REASON WHY ACTION 16.1 IS GRAYED OUT, NOT BOLDED LIKE THE OTHERS? AM I TO READ ANYTHING INTO THAT? NO.

REGIONAL COORDINATION WITH VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITIES.

NO, NOT AT ALL.

ACTUALLY, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WAS, SO THAT PARTICULAR FONT HAS A THIN AND A REGULAR, SO I PROBABLY MADE THAT THIN.

AND SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHY IT LOOKS LIKE THAT.

UM, STRATEGY 17, MONITOR AND ADD TO THE CITY'S HOUSING FUND IF NEEDED TO ACHIEVE HOUSING TARGETS.

THIS ONE WILL ALSO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT, UM, AS WE TALK ABOUT WAYS TO, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT IS POTENTIALLY PROPOSING TO YOU A REVOLVING LOAN FUND.

UM, RIGHT NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, A LOT OF WHAT WE DO IS WE ARE INVESTING, BUT WHEN WE'RE INVESTING, WE'RE GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE US THE MONEY BACK AT THE END.

BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY GAIN ANY INTEREST, UM, BY DOING SIM, A SMALL ONE TO 2%, UM, INCREASE OR INTEREST RATE, DEFINITELY BELOW YOUR AVERAGE RATE.

WE CAN ACCRUE SOME, WE CAN ACCRUE SOME MONEY THAT CAN GO BACK INTO THE PROJECT.

SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

UM, OFFERING LOW INTEREST LOANS TO DEVELOPERS, THAT GOES BACK TO EXACTLY WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED.

PURSUING HIGHLY TARGETED USE OF NONPROFIT STATE FEDERAL HOUSING FUNDS.

I THINK I'VE MADE MY, UM, MY OPINION ON FEDERAL FUNDING KNOWN.

UM, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WE SHOULD NEVER SAY NEVER.

IF SOMETHING COMES OUT THAT MAKES SENSE FOR US, THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT IT AND DECIDE IF WE WANNA PURSUE IT.

UM, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, I LIKE USING GENERAL FUNDS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US BECAUSE WE HAVE NO GUARDRAILS EXCEPT THE ONES THAT WE PLACE ON THE USE OF THE FUNDS AS OPPOSED TO BEING HELD STANDARDS REQUIRED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

STRATEGY 19 PART, AND THIS IS THE LAST STRATEGY, OR THIS IS THE LAST OF THE, UM, FOCUS AREAS, PARTNERING WITH CHILDCARE PROVIDERS AND EMPLOYERS TO IMPROVE ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE FOR LOCAL WORKERS AND FAMILIES.

INTEGRATING CHILDCARE ACCESS INTO THE WORKFORCE, OUR RETENTION EFFORTS.

UM, WE DID JUST LOSE OUR LAST DAYCARE, UM, IN THE CITY.

SO WE HAVE ZERO.

AND SO THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE THINGS OUTSIDE OF HOUSING THAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT AS SOLUTIONS.

AND THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE THAT'S AT THE TOP OF THE LIST, IS HOW DO WE CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CHILDCARE, UH, IN THIS COMMUNITY SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GO TO WORK, PEOPLE CAN GO, UM, TAKE THE OLDER KIDS TO SCHOOL, ET CETERA.

SO, UM, NUMBER 20 IS STRENGTHENING

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THAT'S JUST AN ONGOING EFFORT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

WE STARTED THIS, UM, WITH THE PRE-APPROVED HOUSING PLANS THAT ARE DONE ON A REGIONAL BASIS.

SO, UM, WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT LEVEL OF DIALOGUE.

WE, 2221, PREPARING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY.

WE ALREADY HAVE A DIVERSIFICATION PLAN, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIVERSIFICATION PLAN.

UM, I WOULD SUGGEST IT'S TIME TO UPDATE THAT THAT WAS DONE AT COVID.

SO IT'S TIME TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT AND SEE HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED, UM, AND SEE WHAT TYPES OF THINGS WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF CREATING JOB OPPORTUNITIES, UH, WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

NUMBER 22 PARTNER WITH SENIOR CARE PROVIDERS, UH, TO IMPROVE AFFORDABLE QUALITY SENIOR CARE AND SERVICES.

AND THEN WE GET TO THE IMPLEMENTATION TABLE THAT WE'VE SOMEWHAT TALKED ABOUT ALREADY IN TERMS OF IT DEALS WITH ACTION, RESPONSIBILITY, TIMEFRAME, BARRIERS, PERFORMANCE MEASURES, AND COST.

UM, WE'LL GO THROUGH AND SCRUTINIZE ALL OF THOSE AGAIN WITH ANOTHER, WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB.

AND, UM, THE NEXT SLIDE YOU SEE GIVES YOU AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE PAGES AND, UM, GIVING THE OWNERSHIP AND THE TIMEFRAME BEING IMMEDIATE, THE COST LEVEL IS AN ESTIMATE, ET CETERA.

AS FAR AS IMPLEMENTATION GOES.

WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, WE'RE ALREADY UNDERWAY WITH THE CODE CRITIQUE, WHICH IS THE FIRST STEP TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

UM, WE'LL BE STARTING TO BUILD THE RFP TO GET A CONSULTANT TO REDO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH.

UM, WITHIN TWO MONTHS, WE'LL HAVE THE CODE CRITIQUE COMPLETE.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO ALLOW THE CONSULTANTS TO SEE WHAT THE COMMUNITY THINKS ARE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO BE LOOKING AT AS THEY FOCUS ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

UM, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF ALREADY TAKING A LOOK AT WAYS WE CAN IMPROVE, UH, OUR REPLACEMENT FOR THE DIGA ADMINISTRATIVE IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR PUBLIC INVESTMENT PROGRAM.

UM, AND THE THIRD IS HIRING THE HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION SPECIALIST.

WE DID NOT WANNA DO THAT UNTIL WE GOT, UM, FURTHER INTO THIS WITH COUNSEL TO SEE IF YOU HAD A COMFORT LEVEL THAT LETS US DO THAT.

SO OTHER WHAT NOWS PROGRAMS, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THESE PROGRAMS AS WE DISCUSSED.

AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE VIABILITY OF THINGS LIKE RENT LOCAL.

UM, SO THAT MAY CHANGE SOME OF THE STRATEGIES.

UM, PRIORITIZING PERMANENT AFFORDABILITY AND HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, PURSUE A POLICY THAT ALLOWS US TO MORE AGGRESSIVELY FOCUS ON PERMANENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS A MAINSTAY OF, UH, OF OUR POLICY.

SAME THING AS YOU'VE DISCUSSED, WE THINK WE SHOULD DO BOTH.

UM, WE SHOULD STILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT 30 YEAR AFFORDABILITY WINDOWS OR MORE IF WE CAN GET THEM.

UM, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO START ACCRUING, UH, PERMANENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND, UH, WORK WITH SOME OF OUR PARTNERS.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE WANT TO BE IN THE BUSINESS OF OWNING UNITS.

THAT MEANS WE WANT TO BE IN THE BUSINESS OF WORKING WITH PARTNERS LIKE THE LAND TRUSTS THAT CAN TAKE ON A, UM, THAT CAN TAKE ON PERMANENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.

AND WE WOULD PLAY A ROLE IN HELPING THEM GET THOSE.

AND SO, UM, PROJECTS, DEFINING PROJECT OR DEFINE OUR APPROACH TO 24 11 IN SUNSET LOFTS, SO WE CAN ISSUE THE RFP FOR THOSE, UM, AND DISCUSSION ON DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN LEVERAGE THE HOUSING FUNDS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.

SO, UM, AND WITH THAT, I MADE 42 SLIDES LAST FAR LONGER THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE, AND I APOLOGIZE.

I ALWAYS SEEM TO BE LONG-WINDED.

UM, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I'M ALSO HAPPY TO GO INTO SOME DETAIL ON SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT WE HAVE THAT WE ARE WE'D LIKE TO DIG INTO TO SEE IF THEY'RE REALISTIC.

SO, RIGHT.

I THINK THIS IS ON THE OVERLY AMBITIOUS SIDE.

, YOU'VE GOT SO MUCH IN HERE, WHICH I APPLAUD, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU TAKE ON TOO MUCH, YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY DO IT ALL.

SO I DO SEE THIS AS SORT OF AN ITERATIVE PROCESS HERE, UH, AT THIS STAGE.

AND, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, YOU KNOW, BRING IT DOWN, BRING IT DOWN .

UM, ALSO INVOLVING THE COMMUNITY, THE WAY STEVE USED, UM, SOME SORT OF FOCUS GROUP MM-HMM .

IN LOOKING AT THE BUILDING CODES.

FROM THE FOLKS THAT HAVE TO ENDURE IT AND HAVE TO ENDURE THE PROCESS, UH, SO THAT WE CAN GIVE OUR CONSULTANTS AN IDEA OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED AND THE THINGS WE CAN CHANGE.

I HOPE THAT YOU WOULD THINK OF DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

ABSOLUTELY.

WE ARE, EVEN WITH THE CODE CRITIQUE, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE'RE DOING IS, UH, I'LL BE WORKING WITH CARRIE TO GET TOGETHER A, A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS, CONTRACTORS, BUILDERS, DEVELOPERS, ET CETERA, SO THAT WE CAN HEAR FIRSTHAND FROM FOLKS THAT HAVE SUCCESSFULLY GONE THROUGH IT AND WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BETTER, WHAT CAN WE DO THAT'S DIFFERENT? AND, AND THAT'S GONNA BE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THAN JUST THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HEAR FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON HOW WE SHOULD TREAT THE CODE, BUT WE REALLY ALSO WANT TO HEAR

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SO ABSOLUTELY, WE'LL BE DOING THAT.

AS YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THIS AND TALKING ABOUT THE THINGS YOU ALREADY KNOW YOU WANT TO MODIFY, I GOT THE FEELING THAT PERHAPS YOU GOT THIS FROM THE CONSULTANT VERY RECENTLY VIS-A-VIS THE, THE TIME THAT YOU NEEDED TO SUBMIT IT FOR COUNSEL AND THAT YOU ALMOST WERE READING IT AT THE SAME TIME.

WELL, ANYWAY, DID, DID YOU SEE, YOU SEE THINGS AS YOU READ THROUGH IT THAT, UM, YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO, I THINK, CIRCLE BACK ON IF, IF I CAN CHANGE THE LANGUAGE JUST A LITTLE BIT? 'CAUSE WE DID HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THIS IN ADVANCE, AND WE MADE OUR FIRST ROUND OF CHANGES IN IT.

AND I THINK IT'S TWOFOLD, UM, BECAUSE WE WENT THROUGH THE STRATEGIES PIECE VERY QUICK IN COMPARISON TO THE REST OF IT.

UM, AND SO WE GAVE OUR INPUT, THEY DID A GREAT JOB OF INCLUDING OUR INPUT, AND THEN WE WENT BACK AND READ 'EM AGAIN AND STARTED TO REALLY TAKE THEM APART.

AND THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED TO REALIZE EVEN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, WE CAN DO BETTER, UM, FOR THE RECOMME.

AGAIN, THAT GOES BACK TO THE RENT LOCAL AS AN EXAMPLE.

I WAS THE ONE THAT SAID, LET'S DO IT.

AND THEN NOW I'M COMING BACK TO YOU SAYING, EH, NO, NO, WE'LL PROBABLY GET RID OF IT IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT.

AND, UM, SO WHEN, SO TO TO REPHRASE IF I COULD, YES, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO LOOK AT IT, BUT WE REALLY DIDN'T GET, IN TRUTH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO FULLY DIGEST IT TO THE LEVEL THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, UM, BEFORE WE BROUGHT IT TO YOU.

AND I THINK THAT TWO WEEKS IS GONNA BUY US THAT BRIAN, MOSTLY AS I HAVE DISCUSSION COMMENTS, BUT YOUR STRATEGY 21 ON ECONOMIC, UH, DIVERSIFICATION, ESSENTIALLY.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE FOUR COUNCIL PRIORITIES ESTABLISHED FOR THIS YEAR.

SO KIND OF IT BEING STUCK IN THE MIDST OF, YOU KNOW, 50 OTHER DOGS AND CATS HERE KIND OF FEELS LIKE, ARE, ARE WE ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT THAT? IS THERE, DO WE HAVE ALIGNMENT ON THAT? THAT THAT IS IN FACT SOMETHING THAT WE SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO BE MAKING PROGRESS ON THIS, AND I WOULDN'T HAVE EXPECTED TO SEE IT SORT OF STUCK HERE AND FEEL LIKE IT'S CONTINGENT ON NOW WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT IT? SURE.

NO, THAT'S VERY FAIR.

AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS BECAUSE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IT'S, IS IT FAIR TO SAY ANDREW? UM, YOU KNOW, ANDREW'S TITLE INCLUDES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND SO WORKING IN COORDINATION WITH ANDREW ON THIS, AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY ANYTHING UNTOWARD BECAUSE I LOVE WORKING WITH ANDREW.

WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF FUN TOGETHER.

SO, BUT IT WOULD BE COORDINATING WITH HIM TO BE ABLE TO BRING THIS FORWARD AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY.

SO IF ANYTHING, THIS IS ME SAYING, HEY, LET'S GO OUT AND DO A THING.

AND, UM, SO I AGREE WITH YOU, THE PLACEMENT LOOKS BAD FROM THAT STANDPOINT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BURIED.

UM, BUT AS MUCH AS ANYTHING I WOULD SUGGEST IT'S AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM COUNCIL AS A PRIORITY, BUT ALSO FROM THE COMMUNITY COMING BACK AND SAYING, YOU CAN'T DO THIS JUST WITH HOUSING.

YOU GOTTA DO THE REST OF IT TOO.

SO FROM THE HOUSING PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS US ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE CAN'T JUST BE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING.

SO, UM, THANK YOU MAYOR.

UM, I WOULD COMMENT THAT YES, WE ARE WORKING ON A SEPARATE, YOU KNOW, UM, PLANNING FOR A SEPARATE WORK SESSION WITH COUNCIL RELATED TO THIS GOAL AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY.

UM, I THINK WHAT THIS REFLECTS IS THAT A LOT OF THIS WORK IS INTERTWINED.

WE DON'T, A LOT OF WHAT THE CITY IS WORKING ON OVERLAPS WITH ITSELF IN OTHER AREAS.

SO IT'S GOOD TO CAPTURE IT HERE, BUT IT'S NOT THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE'RE DOING THE WORK.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS.

UM, SO WE ARE PLANNING TO BRING A SEPARATE WORK SESSION TO YOU JUST FOR THAT STRATEGY.

I, I, I THINK WE KNOW, SINCE WE HAVEN'T MET OR ACTUALLY DEFINED WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

WE JUST NEED TO HAVE A MEETING AND COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT WE MEAN BECAUSE I DON'T SEE TOURISM, AND YES, CLEARLY THAT IS OUR SINGLE ECONOMIC BASE, BUT THE WHOLE IDEA IS THAT IT, WE WANNA DO MORE.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT BELONGS IN THE TOURISM OFFICE.

I MEAN, CLEARLY THEY'RE INVOLVED, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHO SHOULD BE DRIVING IT.

I THINK IT'S THE EVOLUTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROGRAM, ALTHOUGH IT HAPPENED BEFORE I WAS HERE, BUT THERE WAS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, POSITION IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AT

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THAT TIME.

AND THEN WHEN THE TOURISM PROGRAM CAME ON BOARD FROM THE CHAMBER, I THINK THOSE ROLES GOT ADJUSTED, ET CETERA, WITHIN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT THE MOMENT.

SO HOLLY AND I WERE THE CHAMPIONS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT DURING THE STRATEGY SESSION OR RETREAT OR WHATEVER IT WAS.

AND WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS AND WE'VE ACTUALLY RUN INTO PEOPLE, UM, AT THE CONFERENCE THAT WE WERE JUST AT THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS CONFERENCE, AND THERE'S A WAY OF THINKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MORE AS REDEVELOPMENT, AND THAT IS PART OF YOUR HOUSING COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT MM-HMM .

AND, UM, SO I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, HOLLY AND I ARE WONDERING IS WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO PULL THAT OUT AND NOT LEAVE IT SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF OTHER PEOPLE'S THINGS AND SAY, LOOK, THIS IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR US TO PULL THIS FORWARD.

WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH, UM, A COUNCIL COMMITTEE LIKE WE'RE DOING WITH A PERFORMANCE AUDIT OR WHETHER IT'S A CITY MANAGERS MEETING, UM, YOU KNOW, GROUP.

I, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER, BUT I, I FEEL STRONGLY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES WITH PARTNERS THROUGHOUT THE STATE WHO COULD HELP US THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS.

AND I DON'T WANT THIS LANGUISHING HERE.

THIS IS A HARD TOPIC, UM, IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHETHER YOU'RE A, YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY OR YOU'RE A RESIDENT SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY, WE, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS AND PULL IT OUT AND NOT MAKE IT PART OF ANDREW'S JOB OR SOMEWHERE INSIDE TONY'S BELEAGUERED, UM, GROUP GIVEN ALL THE REST OF THE THINGS THAT HE'S PUT HERE.

AND SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF GET THAT SAID.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT MOVES ARE, BUT, UM, JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

CHARLOTTE, YOU, YOU EXPLAINED IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I, THE WHOLE IDEA OF MOVING AWAY FROM DIGA MORE TOWARDS A COST BENEFIT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S INVESTMENT VERSUS BENEFIT MM-HMM .

UM, APPROACH TO THINGS AND THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK THAT NEEDS TO EXIST TO DO THAT.

UM, IS VERY INTERESTING.

BUT AGAIN, UM, BOY, THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAIL ON THAT ONE.

AND, AND I COULD SEE THAT AS BEING A MAJOR PROJECT FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO LOOK AT, UH, WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT CRITERIA NEED TO EXIST TO REALLY BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO WALK AWAY FROM DIGO WITHOUT HAVING RIGHT.

UM, A MODEL THAT WOULD REALLY WORK.

AND I THINK MONIQUE AND I HAVE HAD THIS JUST AN INITIAL STARTER CONVERSATION, IF YOU WILL, UM, BECAUSE BEFORE WE EVEN PUT IT IN HERE, I WANTED TO ASK HER, SAID, I'VE GOT THIS NUTTY IDEA OF TRYING TO DESIGN SOMETHING IN COORDINATION WITH THE GIFT CLAUSE.

UM, AND SO SHE DID A FANTASTIC JOB OF SAYING, OKAY, UM, BEFORE YOU JUMP OFF THE CLIFF, HERE'S SOME THINGS YOU NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT, UM, IN TERMS OF THE TWO STEPS TO THE PROCESS WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT, UM, TO MEET THE GIFT CLAUSE AND, UM, AND IF THIS IS EVEN PRACTICAL.

AND SO I THINK MORE THAN ANYTHING, IT'S A, LET'S GIVE IT A GO AND SEE WHAT IT'LL DO.

AGAIN, THIS MAY CRASH AND BURN.

WE MAY COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, WE'VE DONE OUR VERY BEST AND NO .

SO, BUT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, I THINK BEING ABLE TO TIE PUBLIC BENEFIT, NOT INCENTIVES, UM, THEY'RE PUBLIC BENEFITS, UM, AND BEING ABLE TO TIE THOSE PUBLIC BENEFITS TO PUBLIC INVESTMENT, UM, IN A WAY THAT'S A LITTLE MORE CLEAR, I THINK WOULD, UH, UM, WOULD BOTH HELP US IN TERMS OF OUR ABILITY TO ATTRACT DEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPMENT, ET CETERA.

UM, BUT IT ALSO MAKES US, AGAIN, JUST A LITTLE MORE DEFENSIBLE.

SO WELL, BEING ABLE TO QUANTIFY BENEFITS IS THAT'S GONNA BE THE STUMBLING BLOCK, BUT YEP.

BUT WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, AS I, AS IT WAS POINTED OUT, WE LISTENED TO ALL THESE CITIES TALK ABOUT THINGS THEY WERE DOING MM-HMM .

WHICH WE'VE BEEN TOLD WE CAN'T DO, BUT THEY'RE ALL DOING THEM.

AND SO WHAT IS THE SECRET SAUCE THAT GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO DO IT WHILE WE THINK WE CAN'T DO IT? MM-HMM .

'CAUSE IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER.

FLEXIBILITY? UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THE GIFT CLAUSES IN THE CONSTITUTION DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE CHARTERED OR NOT CHARTERED, YOU STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY IN THE VALLEY.

SO I WONDERED IF IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE CHARTER CITIES AND WE'RE NOT A CHARTER CITY, AND DOES THAT GIVE THEM MORE

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BUT LOTS OF PROJECTS ARE GOING ON, LOTS OF PUBLIC MONEY IS BEING USED AND DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AN ISSUE, SO WE GOTTA FIGURE IT OUT.

IF I MAY, MAY I TAG ONTO THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT, AND TONY, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE EARLIER TODAY THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING OVER TIME ABOUT OUR PROPENSITY TO LOOK AT THE COLORADO SKI TOWNS AS A MODEL AREA FOR US TO LOOK AT.

AND I'VE BEEN SHIFTING MY OPINION ON THAT OVER TIME FOR LOTS OF REASONS.

AND I THINK THAT SKI TOWN, WELL, COLORADO HAS RULES THAT ARIZONA DOESN'T, SKI TOWNS ATTRACT A CERTAIN SKIING IS A ECONOMICALLY COSTLY ACTIVITY, UH, THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY COMPARE TO THE RECREATION THAT'S HERE IN SEDONA.

UM, AND SKI TOWNS ARE AT THE END OF THE ROAD AND PEOPLE THAT GO THERE ARE GOING TO THAT TOWN TO DO THAT ACTIVITY WHERE WE HAVE A LOT MORE PASS THROUGH.

AND SO I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, LUXURY RESORT, BEACH TOWNS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE PASS THROUGH TRAFFIC UPON.

SOME PEOPLE STOP IN THOSE TOWNS AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T.

AND THE ECONOMIC COST OF THE ACTIVITY FOR BEING ON A BEACH IS A DIFFERENT LEVEL THAN BEING A, A SKIER.

SO I THINK THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO OPEN BEYOND THAT NATURAL REACTION THAT WE'VE ALL HAD TO THINK ABOUT THE COLORADO SKI TOWNS AS OUR MODEL OF WHAT WE CAN DO, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF ARIZONA.

UM, AND, AND SO THERE, THERE MIGHT BE SOME MORE THINGS HERE, AND I THINK THAT WOULD GET AT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING, THERE'S PEOPLE DOING STUFF IN ARIZONA.

WE DEFINITELY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT.

BUT THERE'S OTHER STATES THAT PERHAPS DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS THAT COLORADO DOES.

THAT MAY BE A MORE OF A MODEL FOR US HERE.

IS THERE ANYWHERE IN OREGON LIKE THAT? ? WELL, I DO HAVE SOME CARDS.

I DO HAVE SOME CARDS.

SO WHY DON'T WE GO TO THE PUBLIC.

BUT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THIS WHOLE DOCUMENT WAS THE STATEMENT EARLIER THAT IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF WHETHER THE GOVERNMENT IS GONNA BE INVOLVED IN HOUSING, BUT HOW MUCH? NO, THAT'S EXACTLY THE QUESTION.

FIRST IS TIM PERRY, FOLLOWED BY DAVID KEY, FOLLOWED BY RICH GAY.

GOOD EVENING COUNSELORS.

MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.

MY DETAILED COMMENTS ON EVERYTHING WRONG WITH THIS MESS OF BUREAUCRATIC DR.

ARE IN TONIGHT'S PACKET.

I'LL MERELY TOUCH ON A FEW HIGH POINTS RIGHT NOW.

FIRST, ONE OF THE CORE PROBLEMS WITH THIS STUDY IS THAT IT NOWHERE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THE CENTRAL FEATURE OF ANY SEDONA HOUSING PLAN, PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE HAS TO BE HOME OWNERSHIP.

THE SURVEYS ARE UNAMBIGUOUS.

88% OF AMERICANS WANT TO OWN THEIR OWN HOME RATHER THAN RENTING AND BEING DEPENDENT.

IF THIS SURVEY HAD, IF THIS REPORT HAD ANY INTENTION OF REFLECTING THE DEMOCRATIC PRIORITIES OF THE PEOPLE OF SEDONA, IT DOES NOT, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT AN EMPHASIS IN THE DOCUMENT.

INSTEAD, WE HAVE SUGGESTIONS FOR DUPLEXES, TRIPLE LEX'S, QUADPLEXES, COTTAGE COURTS, APARTMENT COMPLEXES, EVERYTHING POSSIBLE UNDER THE SUN, EXCEPT FOR ADMITTING AND FACILITATING THAT PEOPLE WANT TO OWN THEIR OWN HOMES.

SECOND, THIS REPORT CONTAINS NO CONCRETE ACHIEVABLE GOALS.

IT CONTAINS A LOT OF VAGUE STATEMENTS THAT STAFF CAN LATER IGNORE OR CLAIM THEY FULFILLED.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE REPORT COULD HAVE CONTAINED A GOAL TO REDUCE CITY CODE REGULATIONS BY 10, 20, 30% WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR.

COULD HAVE CONTAINED A COMMITMENT TO SELL 10, 20, 50 ACRES OF CITY OWNED LAND TO FAMILIES TO BUILD THEIR OWN HOMES ON.

COULD HAVE A COMMITMENT TO DUMP THAT $19 MILLION IN THE HOUSING FUND INTO A BUILDING AND LOAN ASSOCIATION THAT COULD ACTUALLY GET SOME REAL HOUSING BUILT AT AN AFFORDABLE PRICE.

IDEAS LIKE THIS THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE ACHIEVED IN THE SHORT TERM ARE NOWHERE IN THIS DOCUMENT, WHICH MEANS IT'S A STRATEGY TO WORSEN THE HOUSING SHORTAGE, NOT IMPROVE IT.

THIRD PROBLEM IS THAT THIS, UH, DOCUMENT, UH, CONTAINS FALSE INFORMATION AND SKEWING TO PERPETUATE COUNSEL'S AGENDA, UH, PRETENDING THAT STR ARE CAUSING THE HOUSING SHORTAGE, WHEN IN FACT WE KNOW THAT THE STR ARE CAUSED BY THE SECOND HOMEOWNERS.

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AND THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN HOUSING, NOT ONLY FOR REASONS OF PRINCIPLE, BUT FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT WHEN THE GOVERNMENT GETS INVOLVED IN HOUSING, THE HOUSING SHORTAGE GETS WORSE.

FORTUNATELY, IN SPITE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THIS STUDY, THE GOOD THING IS THAT IT'S SUCH A MESS OF VAGUENESS AND STAFF ARE SO COMMITTED TO LETTING NOTHING GET BUILT IN SEDONA THAT IN A FEW YEARS IT'LL BE FORGOTTEN ABOUT AND BACK IN THE GARBAGE PAIL WHERE IT BELONGS.

WOW.

ALL RIGHT.

TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW.

UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCILORS.

UH, DAVID KEY RESIDENT OF SEDONA, UH, PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE GREATER SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

THINGS YOU ALL KNOW, SOME THINGS YOU ALL KNOW ARE IN THAT PRESENTATION, BUT I'M STILL GONNA OPINE ABOUT THE THINGS I LIKED.

UM, HOUSING DOES NOT SUCCEED IN A VACUUM.

I AGREE, TONY.

UH, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AS A BROADER ECONOMIC ISSUE, UM, AND LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE, KEEPING IN MIND THAT THESE THINGS ARE INTERCONNECTED.

UM, I'M ACUTELY AWARE OF THE WORKFORCE NEEDS WHILE I'M NOT ISOLATED TO THEM.

I'VE OFTEN BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR, YOU KNOW, PROTECTING SENIORS RIGHT? TO HOUSING, UM, AND, AND FINDING AN AFFORDABLE PLACE TO LIVE.

UM, SO I COME WITH A CLEAR MISSION AND MAYBE A BIAS, BUT NOT A LIMITED SCOPE OF WHAT THE ECONOMY AND A CONNECTED COMMUNITY NEEDS TO SUCCEED.

UH, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO APPROACH THIS ISSUE THROUGH ECONOMICS.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO QUESTION THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT, AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE WHO BEGIN WITH THE MORAL AND ETHICAL OBLIGATION.

AND I THINK ALL THREE SIDES OF PERSPECTIVE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN THIS PLAN.

UM, AND YOU'VE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT, TONY, WHICH WE APPRECIATE BECAUSE I DO SO OFTEN GET TIRED OF RESPONDING TO THE SAME OLD QUIPS OF WHY WE CAN'T DO THESE THINGS.

BUT IT'S JUST REALLY COMPREHENSIVE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT PARTS DO WE GO WITH THE ONES THAT ALIGN WITH THE GOALS THE MOST, AND THE ONES THAT ALIGN WITH THE OPPORTUNITY COSTS THE MOST.

SO I THINK YOU ALL ARE WELL ON TRACK TO WHITTLING THIS DOWN TO AS BEST, BEST PARTS, BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GREAT MATERIAL DELIVERED TO YOU ALL.

SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT STANDS OUT TO YOU.

I'M ACTUALLY EXCITED TO SEE WHERE YOU GUYS PUSH BACK TO, UM, AND HAPPY TO JOIN YOU IN THAT PROCESS IF MY FEEDBACK IS EVER, UH, HELPFUL.

BUT, UH, REALLY JUST WANNA SAY, I, I REALLY DO LOOK FORWARD TO THE CITY HIRING THAT NEXT PERSON TO JUMP INTO THE FIGHT.

'CAUSE IT DOES SEEM LIKE A LOT OF WORK AND IT IS A WORTHWHILE CAUSE.

UM, YOU KNOW, BORROWING THE QUOTE FROM EARLIER, UH, DOESN'T SUCCEED IN A VACUUM.

THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES WILL NOT SUCCEED IN A VACUUM.

UH, AND SO I THINK THERE'S AN UNCOMFORTABLE PROCESS THAT WILL ENTER IN GETTING THAT FEEDBACK.

SOME OF IT'S NOT GONNA BE WHAT YOU WANNA HEAR, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO ENGAGE THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO HELP BRING THAT TO YOU PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALL COLLECTIVELY KNOW AND TRUST WHO CAN BE, I THINK, A LITTLE MORE GRACEFUL IN DELIVERING, UH, THAT FEEDBACK.

UM, AND I WOULD SAY THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE FEEDBACK OR THE GOAL IS NOT TO RELAX THOSE CODES SO THAT THESE PROJECTS CAN SLIDE THROUGH, RIGHT? THE, THE GOAL IS TO REDUCE UNNECESSARY AND INAPPROPRIATE FRICTION AT POINTS WHEN THE STAFF CAN INDICATE THAT THIS IS A COMMON ISSUE.

AND SO, AGAIN, JUST REALLY EXCITED TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHERE WE CAN GO IN UPDATING THESE CODES AND MAKING IT EASIER FOR THE RIGHT PROJECTS, RIGHT? WE'RE STILL GONNA PRESERVE AND PROTECT WHAT'S IMPORTANT.

WE STILL HAVE TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE COMMUNITY.

I ALWAYS WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WITH Y'ALL AND APPRECIATE YOU, UH, YOUR DUE DILIGENCE IN DOING THAT.

UH, RICH GAY, I'M A RESIDENT OF UPTOWN SEDONA.

UH, TONY, I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR, UH, YOUR WILLINGNESS TO LISTEN.

UH, YOU AND I HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS.

I LEFT A PLETHORA OF COMMENTS AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, UH, THAT I KNOW IN THE COMMUNITY, SOME OF WHOM CAME TO THAT OPEN HOUSE.

I THINK LATE JULY IS FOUR OR FIVE WEEKS AGO.

RICH, YOU NEED TO TALK TO COUNCIL, NOT THE STAFF.

LEFT A LOT OF COMMENTS.

UM, I'LL TELL YOU, MY WIFE WAS SITTING NEXT TO ME, AND AS YOU STARTED YOUR PRESENTATION, SHE HASN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS WHOLE TOPIC, SO SHE WAS IN A BIT OF SHOCK.

UH, BUT AS IT WENT ON, YOU KNOW, SHE'S LISTENING AND SHE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTERACT, UH, LAURA, I THINK WITH YOU QUITE A BIT AFTER THE, THE MEETING WAS OVER AND SHE REALLY APPRECIATED THAT INTERACTION AND THE WILLINGNESS TO LISTEN THAT YOU BOTH, UH, DEMONSTRATED.

SHE WAS A STATE OF CALIFORNIA EMPLOYEE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND DID A LOT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH, UH, WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT AND, UH, AIR RESOURCES BOARD.

SO SHE UNDERSTANDS THE PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU GUYS ARE BRINGING TO THIS AS WELL, AND THE CHALLENGE OF TRYING TO SATISFY SO MANY DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW.

AND SO, I, I DON'T ENVY YOU IN THAT ROLE, BUT I DO COMMEND YOU FOR LISTENING.

UH, THERE'S A LOT THAT I STILL WOULD LIKE.

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I'M SORRY.

WELL, I, I APPRECIATE ALL THESE THINGS FROM, FROM STAFF TELL COUNCIL, YOU APPRECIATE THE STAFF .

I, I APPRECIATE THE STAFF .

I APPRECIATE WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE FOR THE KIND OF INTERACTIONS WE'D LIKE TO SEE.

UM, THERE'S, THERE'S STILL MANY THINGS I'D LIKE TO SEE DIFFERENT.

I DON'T WANNA USE MY TIME RIGHT NOW TO TALK ABOUT THOSE.

I KNOW I'LL HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY.

UM, BUT I DO ENCOURAGE YOU WITH WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS, TO MAKE SURE IT'S VERY CLEAR TO RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY THE PEOPLE THAT MADE THOSE COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE.

LISTEN TO THEM.

SO MAKE IT AN APPENDIX TO THE NEXT ITERATION OF THIS THING.

UH, MAYBE SEND EMAILS TO THE PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE THEIR EMAILS THAT LEFT THE COMMENTS SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY, THEY WERE HEARD.

AND EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T ALWAYS GET A CHANGE FOR EVERYTHING THEY WANTED, WHICH IS OFTEN GOING TO BE THE CASE, THEY'LL JUST KNOWING THAT THEY'VE BEEN HEARD, I THINK IS GONNA BE WORTH A LOT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WILL HELP.

UH, I HEARD MAYBE A HINT THAT, UH, WE WON'T HAVE A DECISION TONIGHT, SO THAT MIGHT PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL OUTREACH AND ADDITIONAL LISTENING.

I'D BE HAPPY TO FACILITATE SOME OF THAT WITH MY NEIGHBORS IN UPTOWN, IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

UH, I DO THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

UM, PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO PAY ATTENTION TO SOME OF THESE THINGS AND THEY NEED SOME TIME TO PROCESS.

YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE A LITTLE FOREIGN AND THE IMMEDIATE REACTION MAY BE ONE OF, OH MY GOD, WHAT IS GOING ON NOW? BUT HAVING A CHANCE TO TALK THROUGH IT AND ACTUALLY BE HEARD, I THINK, I THINK THAT'LL BE HELPFUL.

SO I JUST WANTED TO LEAVE YOU GUYS WITH THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MARY, YOU DON'T WANNA GIVE US YOUR VIEW? I'D LIKE TO HEAR IT ACTUALLY.

, YOU CAN FILL OUT A CARD AFTERWARDS.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M MARY QUINN, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION.

AND YOUR PLACE OF RESIDENCE? I LIVE IN LAKE MONTEZUMA.

THANK YOU PERSONALLY, I, I MEAN, I READ THE WHOLE STUDY TODAY.

UM, I'VE READ IT AND PARTICIPATED OVER THE LAST, I THINK, TWO YEARS THAT THE PROCESS HAS GONE ON.

I THINK IT'S BEEN REALLY EXCITING.

I THINK THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID TONIGHT, THERE CAN ALWAYS BE MORE PARTICIPATION.

IT SHOULD NEVER END, BUT IT'S A REALLY EXCITING STRATEGY AND STEP-BY-STEP PROCESS.

UM, AND I'M EXCITED TO BE A PART OF IT.

UM, I WANNA ADDRESS ONE COMMENT THAT I HEARD THAT WAS SAID TONIGHT.

PEOPLE DO WANT HOME OWNERSHIP.

TOWN HOMES ARE HOME OWNERSHIP, SO ARE DUPLEXES.

THAT'S WHERE I STARTED.

MY FIRST HOME WAS A DUPLEX.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT RELATE TO HOMES THAT ARE OWNERSHIP MODELS.

NOT JUST RENTAL MODELS.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING STATISTICALLY IN THE UNITED STATES.

BUT I THINK IT'S EXCITING.

I THINK IT'S REALLY EXCITING.

UM, I LOVE THE PART IN THE STUDY WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT LET'S INCORPORATE THE REST OF THE REGION IN OUR DIALOGUE BECAUSE IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT COLLABORATION AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE NONE OF THE COMMUNITIES HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS AND HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN AND SHARE THE RESPONSIBILITY AND THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR IT.

BUT IT'S BEEN WONDERFUL BEING A PART OF IT.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE ENGAGED IN IT, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WHERE IT MOVES IN THE FUTURE.

TO US COUNSEL FOR SPECIFIC ADOPTION.

COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL PETE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SO THANK YOU TONY AND LAURA FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD TODAY.

AND IT'S BEEN A CULMINATION OF A LOT OF WORK THERE HAS BEEN HERE.

AND I DO THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT HERE.

THERE'S 22 STRATEGIES BY MY VIEW, AND MAYBE 45 ACTIONS IF I COUNTED CORRECT.

ALTHOUGH I THOUGHT I COUNTED BEFORE AND IT WAS MORE THAN THAT.

BUT MY RECOUNT TODAY SAID 45.

SO THERE'S A LOT HERE AND, UH, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH US NOT HAVING TO TAKE A SPECIFIC ACTION ON APPROVAL TONIGHT AND TO, YOU KNOW, TO WORK ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAID AND THE THINGS THAT YOU HEARD AND THE THING, OTHER IDEAS THAT YOU'VE WANTED TO, I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE VIEWED AS KICKING.

IT CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND, YOU KNOW, US TRYING TO AVOID THE ISSUE.

I WANT TO SEE IT COME BACK IN US HAVE TO IMPLEMENT OR ADOPT THE POLICY OR NOT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE THAT WOULD MAKE ME MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT, GIVEN THE 45 ACTIONS, IS A VERY HONEST AND A DETAILED LAYOUT OF IF AND WHEN WE ADOPT THE BALANCE HOUSING STRATEGY, WHAT'S SORT OF APPROVED BY VIRTUE OF THAT ACTION, WHAT'S GONNA COME BACK

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I MEAN, THERE'S POLICIES THAT I ASSUME HAVE TO COME BACK AND REPLACING THE DIG IS GOTTA COME BACK.

A PROCESS IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM SEEMS THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WITHIN YOUR OWN PURVIEW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE, ONCE WE SAY GOOD WITH THE, THE STRATEGY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO.

UM, DEVELOP TOOLS FOR MEASURING CUSTOMER SATISFACTION IS PROBABLY ANOTHER ONE IN YOUR WHEELHOUSE.

REGIONAL HOUSING COORDINATION, I THINK IS SOMETHING WE'VE ALREADY EXPECTED YOU TO DO.

SO, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT LAID OUT IN A VERY EXPLICIT WAY SO THAT I KNOW THAT WHEN I VOTE TO APPROVE OR NOT APPROVE THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY, UH, I, I KNOW WHAT WE'VE AUTHORIZED AND, AND I ASSUME LIKE EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, MOST OF THE STUFF COMES BACK IN THE BUDGET ONE FORM OR ANOTHER.

NOT ALL OF IT.

YOUR REASON HOUSING COORDINATION PROBABLY IS JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU DO NOW AND YOU'LL DO MORE OF.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN THE BUDGET COMES, THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS IN THE BUDGET AND THINGS GET KIND OF, WE DON'T NOTICE EVERYTHING.

UM, AND SO TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT THE TIME WE ADOPT THE BALANCE HOUSING STRATEGY WOULD BE, UM, USEFUL FOR ME.

AND THEN I, LIKEWISE, I WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHEN PREVIOUS COUNCIL APPROVED THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION POLICY OF A BIG TARGET SOME YEARS OUT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST AN ESTIMATE, A STRATEGY OF WHEN THE 7 75 HOMES WOULD GET ACHIEVED.

SO WE HAVE SOME YEARLY BENCHMARK OF WHETHER WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS OR NOT.

I THINK WITH THE GREENHOUSE GAS STRATEGY, IT ALL KIND OF WENT QUIET FOR YEARS, AND NOW WE'RE AT THE BACK END OF IT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO IF WE'RE GONNA ACHIEVE THAT GOAL.

AND WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO, YOU KNOW, EARLY OR MID-COURSE CORRECTION ON THAT.

SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER ELEMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADOPTED TO IT.

AND I THINK THOSE WERE MY MAIN COMMENTS.

BUT I APPRECIATE THE WORK AND I'M ANTICIPATING THAT I AM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS WORK GOING FORWARD.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD STUFF HERE AND THE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT AND THE COMMUNITY OVER TIME, AND THE COUNCIL OVER TIME WILL LOOK AT THIS AND THINK ABOUT IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS AND PEOPLE WILL LEARN ABOUT IT A DIFFERENT, BUT WE NEED TO GET STARTED.

AND I'M GLAD THAT WE CALLED FOR THIS PARTICULAR STRATEGY TO BE OUTLINED TO US.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DID, I WISH IT ACTUALLY HAD BEEN DONE LONG TIME AGO, , BUT IT DIDN'T.

AND WE'RE HERE NOW AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT AND, AND I THINK IT'S, UH, A LOT OF REALLY GOOD WORK AND A LOT OF GOOD STUFF IN HERE.

SO THANK YOU.

NET.

WE, WE HAD A DATE THAT WE CAME UP WITH IN CASE COUNSEL WANTED TO, TO BRING THIS BACK, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.

I THINK IT WAS OCTOBER 13.

YES, THAT IS RIGHT.

BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IF WE GOT THE FEEDBACK TONIGHT, TONY WOULD HAVE ROUGHLY TWO WEEKS TO TURN IT AROUND FOR THE, THAT MEETING.

THAT THOSE WERE IN FACT, YOU KNOW, HEARD CONSIDERED, ET CETERA.

WHICH YOU THOUGHT WAS ACHIEVABLE.

YES, BRIAN, THANK YOU MAYOR TONY.

LAURA, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN, UH, A LONG ROAD AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE TO GO STILL.

THE MOST OVERARCHING, UH, THOUGHT THAT I HAVE AFTER, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO EVERYTHING AND HAVING READ THE MATERIALS IS, IS THAT THIS, THIS NEEDS PRIORITIZATION.

AND IT REMINDS ME OF, UH, OUR SHARED USE PATH APPROACH WHERE IT'S LIKE, WE'VE GOT THIS MILE LONG LIST OF POTENTIAL SHARED USE PATHS AND HOW ARE WE GONNA PRIORITIZE THOSE? AND SO WE ASKED FOR A SET OF CRITERIA AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHAT'S NEEDED HERE.

I THINK THAT THE CRITERIA WILL BE VERY CHALLENGING TO DEVELOP AND TO GET CONSENSUS AMONGST US ON THE DAIS, BUT I THINK THAT WE MUST DO SO AS A, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN THE QUESTION OF, WELL, WHAT ABOUT HOME OWNERSHIP VERSUS RENTAL? OKAY, WELL IF THAT'S A CRITERIA, HOW DO YOU WAIT, YOU KNOW, ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE CRITERIA I WOULD IMAGINE.

SO, UM, PRIORITIZATION I THINK IS KEY.

UM, ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, TONY, WE TALKED TWICE LEADING UP TO TONIGHT ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE FOLKS THAT, UH, CONTRIBUTED COMMENTS PARTICULARLY TO THE DRAFT PLAN, THAT THEY WOULD KNOW

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AND, YOU KNOW, RICH JUST SPOKE TO THAT A FEW MOMENTS AGO.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY KNOWS THEY'VE BEEN HEARD, EVEN IF IT'S NOT WHAT THEY NECESSARILY WANTED, BUT STILL ACKNOWLEDGED.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A QUESTION OR COMMENT EARLY IN YOUR PRESENTATION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, DO WE, DO WE GO DOWN THIS ROUTE OF, UH, 10 TO 30 YEAR DEED RESTRICTIONS VERSUS PERMANENT? AND YOU CALLED THAT GOING ALL IN? I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THAT, IF ALL IN IS REALLY, I, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CHARACTERIZE IT, BUT I KNOW THAT AS WE HAVE NEGOTIATED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, BE IT WITH THE BANNEY OR WITH THE MARS, UH, WHOMEVER, LIKE NOBODY'S EVER REALLY SATISFIED UP HERE WHEN THE DAY IS DONE, IF IT'S 10 YEARS OR EVEN IF IT'S 30 YEARS.

TO ME, I THINK THERE IS A DESIRE FOR PERMANENCE, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE LAND BANKING IS A GOOD WAY TO GO, UH, IN THAT REGARD.

WHICH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FROM A CRITERIA FOR PRIORITIZATION, YOU KNOW, HOW WELL ARE WE LOCKING THIS UP? AND IN THE QUESTION OF GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT, MAN, GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT MATTERS.

YOU DIDN'T PUT IT INTO THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT ON, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH GOVERNMENT AND INVOLVEMENT, BUT OUR INVOLVEMENT IS THE, THE ONE AND ONLY WAY TO TRY TO RESTRICT AGAINST SHORT TERM RENTALS.

AND BECAUSE THE STATE SUPREME COURT DIDN'T TAKE UP THE APPEAL ON THE OAK CREEK MOBILE LODGE, EVERYTHING'S A SHORT TERM RENTAL POTENTIALLY RIGHT NOW.

AND STOP SAYING THAT OUT LOUD, .

I KNOW.

SO, UM, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR ROLE, WHATEVER THAT IS, RESTRICTS AGAINST MORE WHATEVER IT IS THAT'S GETTING BUILT, WE DON'T WANT IT TO TURN INTO SHORT TERM RENTALS.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S, UH, PRETTY DARN IMPORTANT.

UM, YOU KNOW, I'M CERTAINLY NOT THRILLED ABOUT MORE LITECH STUFF.

I I DON'T THINK THAT WAS VERY PALATABLE WHEN THE DAY IS DONE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I WANNA SEE AS MUCH PRIVATE INVOLVEMENT IN THE MARKET AS POSSIBLE.

UM, YOU KNOW, READING MATERIALS LEADING UP TO TONIGHT AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE COMING, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR MORE DOLLARS FOR THE, THE HOUSING FUND.

YOU GOT 19 MILLION ALREADY.

AND IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE.

UM, I'M NOT IN ANY HURRY TO PUT MORE IN IT.

UH, WITHOUT A STRATEGY, YOU KNOW, TO COUNCILOR FURMAN'S COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TIME PHASED GOALS.

COULDN'T AGREE MORE.

AS, AS A TOOL THAT WE COULD USE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE IN FUNDRAISING WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE THERMOMETER YOU'RE MEASURING AND HOW HIGH UP ARE YOU IN YOUR ACHIEVEMENT OF YOUR FUNDRAISING GOAL? YOU KNOW, I'D LOVE TO BE, SEE SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING TO THE 775.

BUT MORE THAN THAT, IT IS WHAT COUNCILOR FURMAN SAID THAT TIME-BASED, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH PROGRESS ARE WE MAKING EACH YEAR? 'CAUSE IF THIS IS BACKEND LOADED, EH, YOU KNOW, NOT A, NOT A BIG FAN .

SO, YEAH.

YOU KNOW, I WAS IN FAVOR OF THIS COMING BACK AND, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY BEING READY TO, TO VOTE ON IN A MONTH'S TIME.

I'M NOT SURE IN MY MIND RIGHT NOW THAT WE WOULD BE READY TO DO THAT.

I THINK THE NEXT TIME YOU'RE IN FRONT OF US, I THINK WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT PRIORITIZATION OF THESE STRATEGIES.

AND I THINK WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT WHITTLING IT WAY, WAY, WAY, WAY, WAY BACK.

I MEAN, I THINK SOME OF THESE WILL JUST NEVER SEE LIGHT OF DAY.

I, HOW CAN THEY, AT 45 OR HOWEVER MANY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SITTING AT RIGHT NOW.

AND I WANT US TO EXECUTE WELL ON WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE DO PURSUE AND NOT GET DILUTED AND LOSE FOCUS AND LOSE OUR ABILITY TO ACTUALLY GET SOME THINGS ACCOMPLISHED.

SO THANKS FOR LISTENING.

I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT, AND I'LL RECOGNIZE YOU, DEREK, THAT AT THE LEAGUE I SPOKE WITH A, A WOMAN WHO IS A PRETTY, UH, WHO DOES AS A NONPROFIT GROUP THAT DOES DEVELOPMENT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND SHE TOLD ME THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M WITH WAS WITH YOU ABOUT LITECH.

OH MY GOD, NEVER AGAIN.

BUT SHE TOLD ME THERE'S ALL KINDS OF WAYS TO DO LITECH, NOT NECESSARILY THE WAY WE DID IT, THAT ALLOW FOR A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY.

AND SO I I, AFTER SPEAKING WITH HER, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S NOT JUST LOCK THAT UP

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LET'S JUST LOOK AT IT IN A WAY THAT PERHAPS GIVES US A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT.

KATHY HAD HER HAND UP BEFORE I DID.

I THOUGHT YOU HAD NO, YOU WERE LOOKING AT ME.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

IT'S SO OBVIOUS HOW MUCH WORK WENT INTO THIS IN THE WORK.

NOT ONLY IN DEVELOPING, BUT IN ACTUALLY PROCESSING FEEDBACK THAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN.

AND I, I, I, I SEE IT HERE AND I APPRECIATE IT.

UM, I ALSO AM VERY APPRECIATIVE OF MY COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE GIVEN, I THINK, CLEAR DIRECTION ON SOME THINGS THAT THEY WANNA SEE GOING, GOING FORWARD.

I'M ALSO COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING THIS DOWN SO THAT SOME OF THAT CAN GET FLESHED OUT AND ANSWER A LITTLE BIT MORE.

BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, I'D LIKE YOU TO GO BACK ONE SLIDE PLEASE.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE TO GIVE DIRECTION SPECIFICALLY AS WELL.

AND I WANTED TO, BEFORE I GET INTO THAT, I, I DID WANNA SAY I ALSO HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE AT THE LEAGUE THAT ALSO LED ME TO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULDN'T THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER.

LITECH IN ITSELF IS NOT A BAD THING.

THERE CAN BE GOOD PROJECTS, THERE CAN BE BAD PROJECTS.

SOME ARE CUMBERSOME, COME, SOME MAY BE NOT AS MUCH.

AND WE NEED TO EXPLORE EVERYTHING CASE BY CASE BECAUSE THERE ARE POTENTIALS THERE.

UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO GET BACK TO ON THIS SLIDE IS LIKE 24 11 89 A AND SUNSET LOFTS.

'CAUSE I ACTUALLY, IN, IN MY HEAD, I HAD PUT IT THAT WE WERE FURTHER ALONG AND HAD RFP LANGUAGE.

I'M NOW HEARING TONIGHT THAT WE DON'T HAVE RFP LANGUAGE.

AND YOU NEED THAT FEEDBACK TO DO THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE HAD THESE TWO PROPERTIES, THESE TWO PROPERTIES HAD BEEN IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, FROM THEIR GET GO, UM, AS TO INTENDED PURPOSE.

WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT CAN CHANGE.

BUT ANYWAY, UM, I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I DON'T WANNA SEE MORE DELAYS ON, ON THAT.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT READY TO MOVE TONIGHT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD COMING UP WITH THE IDEAS.

IT'S GOTTA BE FRONT OF OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GETTING THESE READY.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE READY.

THERE ARE TWO PIECES OF LAND THAT ARE READY FOR A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

WE NEED TO GO AND IDENTIFY WHAT WE WANT SO WE CAN PUT IT OUT THERE AND, AND GET THAT GOING.

I THINK THAT THEY CAN MOVE FASTER THAN A LOT OF OTHER THINGS, AND I THINK THEY'LL GO A LONG WAY TO ADDRESSING SOME OF OUR MORE IMMEDIATE NEED.

UM, , I ALSO JUST WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT, UH, THE HOME OWNERSHIP, UM, POINTS THAT WERE MADE TONIGHT BECAUSE I AGREE WE HAVE A VERY SMALL AMOUNT BASED ON, YOU KNOW, OVERALL LOT USAGE OF TOWN HOME, PATIO, HOME, UM, SHARED INFRASTRUCTURE HOUSING IN THIS TOWN.

AND IT'S A MODEL THAT WORKS.

WE HAD A PROJECT THAT CAME BEFORE US AS A POTENTIAL RENTAL THAT SWITCHED OVER MIDSTREAM TO A CONDO BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER WAS ABLE TO FIGURE OUT THAT THAT WOULD WORK WELL.

IF THE DEVELOPER COULD FIGURE OUT THAT THAT WOULD WORK, WHY CAN'T WE FIGURE OUT THAT THAT WOULD WORK? SO, I MEAN, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING, I THINK AT OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THAT.

NOT ONLY ARE THEY, UM, THEY MIGHT BE MORE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOOD MODELS FOR PUTTING SOME, YOU KNOW, FOR SHARED DENSITY THAT PRESERVES OTHER OPEN SPACE AND IS A GOOD SUSTAINABILITY MODEL.

I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT TO THAT.

SO I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE CONVERSATION ON IN THAT DIRECTION OF WHERE CAN WE GET SOME OF THAT TYPE OF HOUSING, NOT AS THE ONLY TYPE OF HOUSING.

'CAUSE WE DO NEED THE WHOLE SPECTRUM.

BUT AGAIN, YOU TELL ME WHY I ASKED YOU TO MOVE BACK TO THIS SLIDE.

WHERE ON HERE DO YOU NEED SPECIFIC DIRECTION IN ORDER TO COME BACK TO US ON THE 13TH? BECAUSE THESE WERE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD WANTED TO PUT BEFORE US HERE.

THEY ARE BEFORE US, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THEM.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THEM.

FROM, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF 24 11 IN SUNSET LOFTS, YOU HAVE A DESIGN, I BELIEVE, FOR SUNSET LOFTS CURRENTLY, UM, THAT YOU COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH.

AND THERE WAS AN RFP ISSUED FOR 24 11 IN THE PAST.

THE PROPERTY OWNER, RIGHT? SO WE ARE THE PROPERTY OWNER, I SHOULD SAY, AS A CITY.

SO YOU HAVE BEEN DOWN A ROAD.

WHAT MAKES THIS DIFFERENT IS WHEN WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE HOUSING GAPS THAT WE HAD.

UM, MOST OF THAT WAS DESIGNED FOR STUDIO AND ONE BEDROOM UNITS.

WHAT YOU NEED ARE TWO, THREE BEDROOM UNIT PRODUCT.

SO THE DESIGN THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE IS NOT GOING TO MEET WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING ARE YEAR GAPS.

SO, UM, SO WE WOULD NEED TO REDESIGN THERE.

THE OTHER, THE OTHER PIECE TO THIS, UM, IS THE, I THINK, AND I THINK WE'VE LEARNED SOME LESSONS ON THIS TOO, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR WANTS FROM US.

YOU'RE

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AND SO THERE'S ALREADY DEEP SKIN IN THE GAME WHEN YOU HAVE ACQUIRED THESE PROPERTIES.

SO THE IDEA THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS THE RANGE, BECAUSE PART OF THE REASON THAT YOU SEE A REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE OR ADDITIONAL BUY-IN FROM THE CITY IS WHEN WE START TO DIP INTO THAT 60% OF A MI, 80% OF A MI NOW WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT AS MUCH AS POTENTIALLY 200% OF A MI.

UM, BUT OUR SWEET SPOT IS IN THAT 80 TO ONE 50 WINDOW.

AND SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT WINDOW, THERE'S A LOT LESS THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT INTO IT BECAUSE IT'S EASIER FOR IT TO PENCIL OUT FOR A DEVELOPER.

THE OTHER SIDE TO THIS, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN IT, IS LOOKING AT THIS AS POSSIBILITIES TO GET PERMANENT AFFORDABLE HOME OWNERSHIP.

UM, AGAIN, YOU'RE ALREADY A PROPERTY OWNER, YOU'VE ALREADY PUT SUBSTANTIAL MONEY IN IT.

IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE THIS AS A WINDOW TO GET US MORE PERMANENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING? AND SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE DIALOGUE ON BECAUSE IT WILL IMPACT THE RFP WE WRITE.

I WOULD STILL LIKE TO ISSUE THIS, UM, AS A SINGLE RFP.

I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE THINGS THAT ANNETTE BROUGHT TO, TO ME EARLIER SAYING, CAN WE DO IT THIS WAY? I WAS LIKE, YEAH, WE CAN DO IT THIS WAY.

AND, UH, UM, WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED SOME LEVEL OF, OF FEEDBACK FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD LIKELY GIVE US A BETTER RESPONSE, UM, FROM INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE LAND TO DEAL WITH, EVEN IF IT IS ON TWO SEPARATE SPOTS, THEY'RE NOT THAT FAR APART.

SO, UM, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DIALOGUE ON TO SEE IF THOSE ARE OF INTEREST TO YOU.

UM, IT WOULD TAKE A SINGLE RFP, WE WOULD PUT IT TOGETHER.

WE WOULD GIVE THEM A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF A MI THAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE PREVIOUS RFP BECAUSE YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A LOWER LEVEL THAN YOU ARE NOW.

UM, AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR BIGGER UNITS, SO IT'LL BE FEWER UNITS, UM, ON THE SITE THAN IT WOULD'VE BEEN BEFORE.

'CAUSE THEY'LL BE BIGGER.

UM, AND, UH, SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT, THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO, TO DISCUSS IS, UH, IF YOU'RE OPEN TO THOSE, THAT TYPE OF DIALOGUE, I CAN DELIVER THAT RFP AND HAVE SOME CONVERSATION WITH SOME OF OUR COLLEAGUES, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, WHO WOULD MANAGE THE PERMANENT AFFORDABILITY PART OF IT.

UM, BECAUSE I, I WOULD PREFER AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT I NOT ASK THE CITY TO BE IN THE ULTIMATE HOME OWNERSHIP BUSINESS.

I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A BRIDGE TOO FAR FOR ME.

AND I, I CAN GO CROSS ANY BRIDGE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE LESSONS I I YOU WANTED TO SPEAK, RIGHT? YEAH.

I MEAN, I JUST, THIS, YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB ON THIS.

UM, I JUST QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THE VOLUME OF IT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY STAFF WE HAVE THAT WOULD BE DEDICATED TO THIS, BUT THIS SEEMS TO ME LIKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED A LOT OF PEOPLE.

UM, SO IN ADDITION TO PRIOR PRIORITIZATION AND MAYBE WINNOWING IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD TAKE THE EXTRA TIME TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE BRIDGE TOO FAR? AND THEN I KNOW YOU WANT TO REACH AND REACH AND REACH, BUT I MEAN, REALISTICALLY, THE MORE STRATEGIES AND THE MORE GOALS YOU CREATE, THE LESS LIKELY YOU'RE GONNA BE TO ACHIEVE SOME OF 'EM.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE AND DO RIGHT.

THE THINGS THAT WE PRIORITIZE.

UM, AND, UH, I'M, I'M SURE YOU'VE GIVEN SOME THOUGHT ON THAT, BUT, UH, I'M NOT AN OPTIMISTIC PERSON BY NATURE.

UH, I THINK YOU PROBABLY ARE.

I AM.

I THINK THE TRUTH IS PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.

BUT ANYWAY, I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE EXTRA TIME TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHICH OF THESE ARE TOO MUCH, TOO FAR.

GONNA PUT TOO MUCH, TAKE TOO MUCH EFFORT FOR NOT ENOUGH RETURN.

SO JUST, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.

PERFECT.

I WAS GONNA SAY ONE OF THE THANK YOU FOR THE STATISTICS ON, UM, SHELBY, BUT THE, THE, THE ONE UNIT THEY'RE STRUGGLING MOST IS THE THREE BEDROOM.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE RENTED IT YET.

THEY'RE FULL.

AND THE 60% WAS, WAS PART OF THE ISSUE.

SO THEY, THEY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL, BUT IT WAS THE LAST UNIT TO RENT WAS THE THREE BEDROOM.

SO THAT LEADS ME TO THINK, YOU KNOW, IS OUR FOCUS ON TWO AND THREE BEDROOMS, THE RIGHT FOCUS? AND BECAUSE THEY HAD NO TWO BEDROOMS THERE, 60% A I I KNOW, RIGHT? I KNOW IT WAS 60% A MI PLUS THE FOCUS WAS ONE AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS.

THERE WERE NO TWO BEDROOM UNITS.

RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST SAYING.

NO TWO BEDROOM THERE.

SO IT'S THE MIX THAT'S REALLY GONNA MATTER.

UM,

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SO BEING ABLE TO GET TO BOTH I THINK IS WE, WE HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS ON THE NUMBER OF THREE BEDROOM UNITS.

BUT I THINK OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WILL TELL US THAT TOO.

UM, THAT, UH, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE THINK IS NECESSARY.

THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY DOES A GREAT JOB OF SAYING TO US WHICH THINGS THEY THINK ARE A GREAT IDEA AND WHICH ONES SOUND REALLY GOOD ON PAPER.

I THINK SHELBY IS A REALLY IMPORTANT LESSONS LEARNED MM-HMM .

PROJECT FOR OUR FIRST, AND NOW WE KNOW A LOT MORE.

BUT IF YOU HADN'T DONE IT, WE WOULDN'T KNOW.

CORRECT.

AND SO IT'S, I'LL BE THE FIRST PER PERSON TO SAY YEAH.

MISTAKES ALONG THE WAY, BUT IT'S STILL A GOOD PROJECT.

IT JUST COULD WE HAVE DONE SOME THINGS DIFFERENTLY.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

SO.

WELL, AND WE'VE GIVEN FOLKS IN SEDONA AN OPPORTUNITY TO RENT BEAUTIFUL APARTMENTS.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND 27 OF THEM, I BELIEVE ARE EMPLOYEES, UM, WITHIN SEDONA.

AND, UH, SO THAT'S EXCITING, MELISSA.

SO LIKE EVERYONE SAID, THIS IS A LOT OF WORK, RIGHT? AND SO I APPRECIATE THE AMOUNT OF WORK BECAUSE WHAT YOU DID HERE IS YOU REALLY, YOUR STRATEGIES AREN'T REALLY STRATEGIES.

'CAUSE YOUR STRATEGY IS REALLY YOUR FOCUS AREA.

YOUR STRATEGY IS, I'M GONNA UPDATE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS.

AND IN INSIDE OF THAT, YOU HAVE A GOAL, WHICH IS UPDATE THE CITY REGULATORY DOCUMENTS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TASKS RIGHT UNDERNEATH THAT, RIGHT? WHICH YOU CALL YOUR ACTIONS.

SO IN SOME CASES, THESE ARE REALLY DETAILED AND IN SOME CASES NOT QUITE SO MUCH MM-HMM .

UM, SO SOME OF THESE, LIKE STRATEGY FOUR, THE, WHICH IS THE ONE I'M LOOKING AT, UM, WHEN YOU REDO THE LDCS, YOU'RE GONNA DO ALL OF THEM AND YOU'LL BE DONE.

SO, AND THEN OTHERS REALLY REQUIRE A LOT OF THOUGHT AND THEY REQUIRE A LOT OF, WHO AM I GONNA PARTNER WITH? YES.

WE DO NOT WANNA BE LANDLORDS AS A CITY, RIGHT? SO HOW ARE YOU GONNA MAKE THAT WORK? WHO'S THE RIGHT ORGANIZATION? DOES IT DIFFER ACCORDING TO WHO? ARE THERE DEVELOPERS WHO WILL OR WILL NOT WORK WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS? I MEAN, YOU'VE, I CAN, WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU DO, I CAN COME UP WITH A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO THINK THROUGH.

PROBABLY GIVE ME ANOTHER LIKE HOUR OR TWO TO READ, YOU KNOW, FROM ON GOOGLE ABOUT WHAT IT IS YOU REALLY DO.

AND MAYBE I'LL HAVE MORE.

BUT MY, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANNA TALK ABOUT IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PRIORITIZING, YOU'VE GOT THESE PROGRAMS UP THERE, AND THOSE ARE IN SOME REGARDS YOUR TOP LEVEL PRIORITIES, RIGHT? THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF UNDERNEATH THEM.

YOU ALSO HAVE THESE PROJECTS.

WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 24 11 AND WE TALK ABOUT SUNSET AND WHY NOT TAKE SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU WANNA DO HERE? AND AS YOU ARE TRYING TO WORK THAT OUT, WORK WITH THIS.

LIKE, WHAT DO WE NEED TO CHANGE ABOUT THE LDC IN ORDER TO, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO ON THE PROCESS SO WE CAN MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, GO FASTER? SO THOSE ARE YOUR ACTUAL WAYS.

AND, AND THE REST OF THEM, YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK TO US AND SAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THESE ACTIONS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THOSE ACTIONS DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE IN THE CONTEXT OF US TRYING TO GET THESE PROJECTS DONE.

AND YOU'LL BE WORKING WITH REAL DEVELOPERS WHO WILL TELL YOU WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA TELL YOU.

AND WHEN YOU PUT THOSE, THOSE TWO PROPERTIES TOGETHER AND YOU WANT PERMANENT AFFORDABILITY, THERE MIGHT BE SOME NONPROFIT THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS WORK.

THOSE TWO PROJECTS BECOME A SAMPLE OF HOW ARE YOU REALLY GONNA GET THIS DONE? AND THAT I THINK WILL HELP YOU PRIORITIZE.

'CAUSE THOSE ARE OUR REAL GOALS, RIGHT? AS COUNCIL, THOSE ARE OUR REAL GOALS.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AND PROBABLY NOT MAKE IT WORK ANY EASIER, BUT IT JUST FEELS LIKE WHEN YOU COME BACK TO ME WITH THESE PROJECTS, I WANNA KNOW WHICH OF THESE ACTIONS AND WHICH OF THESE STRATEGIES AND WHICH OF THESE GOALS YOU'VE ACTUALLY DONE IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS WORK.

AND HAVE YOU ACTUALLY WRITTEN THEM DOWN? AND IF YOU HAVE, SHOULDN'T WE HAVE SEEN THEM BEFORE THAT YOU ACTUALLY APPLIED THEM? JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'S COMPLICATED.

AND, UM, I'M HOPING YOU USE THOSE AS, AS YOUR TEMPLATE MAKERS.

TO BE HERE TO LISTEN TONIGHT TO THE PRESENTATION FROM STAFF AND HOW COMPREHENSIVE AND, UM, DETAILED IT IS.

YOU KNOW, DEVANA, YOU'RE HERE AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE.

CAN YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND GIVE US SOME OF YOUR THOUGHTS AND THEN FILL OUT A CARD, PLEASE.

? UH, GOOD EVENING.

UM, MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I AM HAPPY

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I, I, UM, I APPRECIATE THE BITES AND THE CHUNKS AND THE, AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GIVING YOU A MENU TO CHOOSE FROM.

AND IT IS EVERYTHING FROM REGULATORY TO FUNDING TO PROJECTS TO PROGRAMS. AND IT JUST FEELS LIKE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY.

AND I THINK THE QUESTION TO YOU ALL IS, WHICH OPPORTUNITIES DO YOU WANT TO TAKE ON FIRST? THAT'S MY SENSE OF WHAT TONY AND LAURA ARE ASKING IS, IS GIVEN THIS, UM, MENU OF EXCITING THINGS TO TACKLE, WHAT DO YOU WANNA TACKLE FIRST AND FOCUS STAFF'S ATTENTION ON IF IT IS TOO MUCH TO, TO EAT THE WHALE IN ONE BITE, YOU KNOW, WHAT SMALL BITES DO YOU WANT THEM TO FOCUS ON? UM, AND I, I THINK IT'S KIND OF EXCITING, QUITE FRANKLY.

SO HAPPY TO LISTEN, HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM SPECIFICALLY FOR ME, BUT JUST MOSTLY AS AN OBSERVER AND WELL, YOU'RE A DEVELOPER, NONPROFIT DEVELOPER.

I AM, YEAH.

SOME DAYS, WHAT IS IT THAT WOULD MAKE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, ATTRACTIVE TO YOU? DO A LOT OF LI TECH PROJECTS.

WE DO NOT DO TECH.

YOU DO NOT? NO, WE'VE DONE ONE LITECH PROJECT IN OUR HISTORY AND THAT'S IT.

SO, OH, YOU HAD THE SAME EXPERIENCE.

WE DID , MOSTLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE BALANCE SHEET TO DO IT.

SO LIGHT TECH DEVELOPERS DO LARGE PROJECTS AND HAVE A LOT OF CAPITAL INVESTED TO JUST GET THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED.

AND WE DON'T, WE ARE NOT THAT BIG.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT RISK TOLERANCE RIGHT NOW.

SO IF WE WOULD LOOK AT A LITECH PROJECT, WE WOULD PARTNER WITH A FOR-PROFIT DEVELOPER AND BE THEIR NONPROFIT PARTNER.

SO WE DO THINGS REALLY WELL.

UM, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD AT, AT COMPLIANCE, WE'RE GOOD AT, UM, BEING PRESENT IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE SERVE, BUT WE'RE NOT, LIKE, I DON'T HAVE MY OWN ARCHITECTURAL FIRM.

I DON'T HAVE MY OWN GENERAL CONTRACTOR.

I DON'T HAVE THOSE, UM, LARGE RELATIONSHIPS TO DO A 40 80 UNIT RENTAL PROJECT.

AND, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHERE OUR EXPERTISE LIES.

SO, UM, BUT I DO THINK GLY TECH IS AN IMPORTANT TOOL.

IF YOU'RE TALKING AT THE STATE LEVEL AND WENT TO THE STATE HOUSING CONFERENCE, IT, IT'S THE ONLY TOOL, QUITE FRANKLY, AT A STATE INVESTMENT LEVEL.

UM, UNLESS YOU'RE SEDONA AND YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR OWN INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITY WOULD BE JEALOUS OF, QUITE FRANKLY.

SO I THINK THAT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO DESIGN WHAT IT IS YOU WANT, WHO YOU WANNA SERVE, HOW YOU WANNA INVEST IN PROJECTS.

UM, FOCUSING ON PERMANENT AFFORDABILITY IS, IS A, A REALLY IMPORTANT FOCUS.

UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HARDER ON THE RENTAL SIDE THAN IT IS ON THE OWNERSHIP SIDE FOR PERMANENT AFFORDABILITY.

NOT THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE, UM, BUT LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, HOW IN 30 YEARS DO YOU REINVEST IN A RENTAL PROJECT TO, TO RENOVATE IT OR TO, YOU KNOW, ADD IN NEW, UM, HVAC SYSTEMS OR THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO YOU JUST HAVE TO KIND OF THINK DIFFERENTLY IF YOU'RE ON THE RENTAL SIDE FOR PERMANENT AFFORDABILITY THAN YOU DO ON THE OWNERSHIP SIDE.

BUT, UM, ALL OF IT I THINK IS, IS, IS FASCINATING CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE.

SO, BUT, BUT AT FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT WHAT DOES THE CITY WANT? CAN WE PROVIDE IT WITH A PARTNER WITHOUT A PARTNER? DOES THE FINANCING MAKE SENSE, QUITE FRANKLY? DOES A PENCIL, UM, CAN WE BRING IN OTHER PARTNERS THAT MIGHT HELP EITHER SUPPORT THE PROJECT BECAUSE THEY'RE EMPLOYERS WHO HAVE EMPLOYEES WHO WOULD WANNA LIVE OR BUY OR, OR BE THERE, OR FUNDERS WHO MIGHT SAY, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT THING WE WANNA INVEST IN TO GET IT OVER THE HUMP.

SO, UM, ALMOST EVERYTHING WE DOES HAS MULTI-LAYERED FUNDING.

IT'S QUITE RIDICULOUS.

UM, BUT, BUT IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

DO YOU ONLY DO RENTAL PROJECTS? WE DON'T.

UM, SO HISTORICALLY WE'VE BUILT OWNERSHIP UNITS THAT WE THEN SOLD TO LOW INCOME, FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS.

THOSE PROJECTS WERE FINANCED WITH STATE DOLLARS THAT WERE AVAILABLE FOR HOMEOWNERSHIP INVESTMENT TO HOUSEHOLDS UNDER 80% A MI WE ARE A CHODO, A COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION.

SO THAT WAS THE FOCUS OF OUR DEVELOPMENT FOR MANY YEARS.

AND THEN THAT FUNDING WENT AWAY.

SO, UM, IN THE GREAT RECESSION, HOMEOWNERSHIP WAS AFFORDABLE JUST AS ANYONE IN PHOENIX, UM, JUST NOT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE.

AND SO ALL OF THE MONEY FOR OWNERSHIP INVESTMENT AT THE STATE LEVEL WAS SWEPT INTO RENTAL.

UM, SO WE MOVED OVER TO RENTAL DEVELOPMENT RECOGNIZING THERE WAS A GAP IN NEED AND THAT LITECH AND, UM, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND FLAGSTAFF WASN'T FILLING IT TO THE EXTENT NEEDED.

SO WE CAN DO SOME DEVELOPMENT WORK ON THE RENTAL SIDE OF THINGS.

UM, BUT WE HAVE BUILT, UM, TOWN HOMES FOR THAT.

WE SOLD TO FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS.

UM, WE'VE LEARNED ALONG THE WAY TOO, LIKE YOU LEARNED WITH LITECH.

SO, UM, WE'VE DONE, UM, WE USED TO BUILD HOUSES AND SELL THEM FOR WHAT WE, WHAT, WHAT IT COST US, EVEN THOUGH THE APPRAISED VALUE WAS HIGHER.

AND THEN, UM, HAVE A SILENT SECOND TO COME UP WITH THAT DIFFERENCE,

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BUT SELL THE HOMES AT, AT LESS PRICE TO LOWER INCOME HOUSEHOLDS WHO COULD AFFORD THE LOWER PRICE.

AND THEN WHEN THEY WOULD SELL THEIR HOUSE IN THE FUTURE, WE'D RECAPTURE THAT SECOND AT AS THE PROFIT.

UM, THOSE GUYS HAD A GREAT WINDFALL, QUITE FRANKLY.

I MEAN, YOU BOUGHT YOUR HOUSE FOR $180,000 AND 15 YEARS LATER YOU SOLD IT FOR $400,000 AND THAT WAS GREAT FOR YOU, BUT IT DIDN'T REALLY CREATE LONG-TERM OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES.

SO WE HAVE TRANSITIONED INTO COMMUNITY LAND TRUST.

WE HAVE OUR SECOND HOME UNDER CONTRACT TO SELL UP IN FLAGSTAFF RIGHT NOW.

IT'LL SELL IN OCTOBER.

UM, SO WE HAVE, WE'VE PUT THE PIECES IN PLACE TO BE OUR OWN LAND TRUST AFTER PARTNERING WITH THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF FOR THE LAST DECADE TO ADMINISTER THEIRS.

SO, UM, KIND OF LEARNING ALONG THE WAY ONE TIME AFFORDABILITY VERSUS PERMANENT AFFORDABILITY AND HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU TRANSITION TO A DIFFERENT MODEL? SO WE'RE WORKING IN THAT DIRECTION.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANA? THANK YOU.

I, I HOPE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS HELPFUL, BUT THANK YOU.

IT WAS VERY HELPFUL.

OKAY, SO WE'RE AT THAT TIME, WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? WHERE DO YOU WANNA GO? WANT TONY TO COME BACK ON OCTOBER 13TH FOR ROUND TWO? YES, BUT I WANNA KNOW IF TONY FEELS THAT HE HAS ENOUGH DIRECTION FROM US, OR IS THERE ANYTHING OUTSTANDING? UM, FIRST OFF, THANK YOU.

UM, I, THE DIALOGUE WAS FANTASTIC AND YES, I THINK WE CAN DO IT IN TWO WEEKS.

UM, IT, IT'S A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO TRIM , HONESTLY.

UM, IT'S, IT'LL BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR US FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS HERE WE REALLY WANNA DO.

AND I APOLOGIZE.

YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT.

WE'RE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT AGGRESSIVE ON, ON SOME OF THESE THINGS, BUT, UM, BUT YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN GET IT DONE IN TWO WEEKS AND, AND GET YOU A PRODUCT TO WORK FROM, BUT YOU'LL BE BACK BEFORE US IN FOUR WEEKS.

I KNOW IT'S RIGHT.

THE INTERNAL PROCESSES THAT REQUIRE TWO WEEKS, BUT SURE.

YOU KNOW, BRIAN, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO THE TRIMMING THOUGH.

I THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO THE TRIMMING BASED ON A PROPOSED PRIORITIZATION USING A SERIES OF, UM, UH, WEIGHTING FACTORS AND CRITERIA, RIGHT? SURE.

BECAUSE 'CAUSE THIS IS POLICY ULTIMATELY, RIGHT? SO I THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE ONES THAT DO THE TRIMMING.

I MEAN, YES AND NO.

I THINK WE DO SOME OF IT, BUT I STILL THINK THEY OUGHT TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, WHAT'S REALISTIC.

SO MAYBE THEY MAKE THE FIRST PASS AND THEN WE DO THE NEXT OR SOMETHING.

SO I WOULD SAY BOTH CAVI, SHOULD IT BE ANOTHER WORKSHOP DISCUSSION VERSUS A, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE TRIMMING DISCUSSIONS.

I MEAN, I SEE THAT MORE AS A WORKSHOP ACTIVITY FOR US, YOU KNOW, AND THEN BE ABLE TO BRING THAT TRIM DOCUMENT AFTER IT'S WORKED ON IT EDITED FORWARD FOR, YOU KNOW, A MORE FINAL ACTION.

SO I SEE ONE MORE GO AROUND AT WORKING ON THIS.

I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, THE OCTOBER 13TH IS A TUESDAY MM-HMM .

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T BE A, A WORKSHOP, MORE OF A WORKSHOP.

BUT LET'S PUT IN, UM, WHATEVER WORDS WE NEED THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS IF WE WANNA MAKE SMALL DECISIONS SO THAT WE'RE NOT FORECLOSED FROM DOING THAT BECAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE IN OUR AGENDA, BILL.

IT'S A POSSIBLE DIRECTION.

AND TO, AND POSSIBLE ACTION.

SURE DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE GONNA APPROVE THE ENTIRE PLAN PIECES OF IT.

PERFECT.

DO YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT I DO.

YEAH, I DO.

LAURA, I, YEAH, THIS HAS BEEN GREAT DISCUSSION.

WELL, I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH THAT.

THANK YOU GUYS.

I SAW ROGER HERE BEFORE, BUT I GUESS HE, HE HAD TO LEAVE.

I THINK WE WORE HIM DOWN.

THANK ROGER FOR US AS WELL.

WILL DO.

[9.e. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items. ]

AND, UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT EVERY COMMUNITY TO SEND THE EXACT SAME LETTER, WE'RE GONNA PERSONALIZE IT FOR SEDONA.

THERE'S ONE ITEM LEFT, WHICH IS AB 30 50 30 66, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE AGENDA MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE LETTER TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ON CONSENT.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, WE CAN PULL IT OFF.

UH, THEY GAVE US A SAMPLE AND WE CAN MASSAGE THAT SAMPLE, MAKE IT MORE PERSONAL.

AND I TALKED TO BRYCE ABOUT THAT, BUT WE DIDN'T AGREE ON ANYTHING.

SO LAUREN, I'LL, WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOU

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