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THE COMPUTER'S UP AND RUNNING.
I MEAN, I AM GONNA USE MINE INSTEAD OF THE ONE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO USE.
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[Historic Preservation on September 14, 2026.]
GOOD.WELL THEN LET'S, UH, CALL THIS MEETING TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO ORDER, UH, IF YOU'LL, UH, JOIN ME IN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SOUNDS APPROPRIATE ANYMORE.
AND COMMISSIONER STUPAC PRESENT.
UH, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
ANYONE UP HERE HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? STAFF? YES, I DO.
SO, IS THIS ON? THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T APPEAR TO BE ON YEAH, THESE AREN'T ON.
JUST WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REDO ALL OF THAT.
SO, LAST THURSDAY WAS THE CITY'S ANNUAL VOLUNTEER APPRECIATION LUNCHEON.
AND DURING THAT MEETING, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE OUR OUTSTANDING VOLUNTEERS.
AND THIS YEAR FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, WE CHOSE TO RECOGNIZE KAREN GOOD FOR HER WORK IN, UM, PUTTING THE JOHNNY GUITAR HOUSE IN FRONT OF US AND GETTING IT LANDMARKED.
UM, SO AS A TOKEN OF OUR APPRECIATION, YOU HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED AS ONE OF OUR OUTSTANDING VOLUNTEERS.
AND AS PART OF THAT, YOU ALSO GET A GIFT CERTIFICATE TO R BANK CERAMICS.
YOU CAN EITHER TAKE A CLASS OR GO SHOPPING OR JUST GO ENJOY SOMETHING.
AND I DIDN'T GO BECAUSE I HADN'T MADE A RESERVATION.
THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'VE DONE OVER THE PAST YEAR, AND THANK YOU.
UM, PUT LIKE IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
I DON'T THINK WE'D HAVE THE JOHNNY GUITAR HOUSE WITHOUT YOU.
REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
WAS THAT A HAND GOING UP, OR WAS THAT JUST A STRETCH? OH, NOTHING I MAKING.
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 17TH, 2026.
EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK THOSE OVER.
ANY COMMENTS, EDITS, SUGGESTIONS? NO.
HEARING NONE, UH, WE'LL SAY THOSE ARE APPROVED, UH, AS THEY ARE PUBLIC FORUM, THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA.
THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO A RS 38 DASH 4 31 0.01 H, ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO ANY CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THIS? OKAY.
THEN AT THIS POINT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM AND MOVE ON TO, UH, 0.5 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING THE UPDATE TO THE SEDONA HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY.
LET'S SEE IF THIS TURNS BACK ON.
UM, SO THANK YOU CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
SO IN YOUR PACKET FOR TODAY WAS THE FIRST DRAFT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED ON THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY UPDATE.
UM, I DID REALIZE, I THINK BASED ON COM, UH, COMMENT BY COMMISSIONER FEENEY THAT THERE ARE THE HISTORIC PRESERVER, THE INVENTORY FORMS, WHICH ARE AN APPENDIX OR A SEPARATE DOCUMENT THAT I NEGLECTED TO ATTACH TO THE, UM, OKAY.
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UM, DOCUMENT.SO I WILL SEND THOSE OUT TO YOU AS WELL IF YOU WANNA LOOK THROUGH THOSE.
UM, JUST SOME HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS AT THE BEGINNING.
THIS IS THE FIRST DRAFT WE HAVE COMMITTED TO OUR CONSULTANTS THAT WE WILL HAVE COMMENTS BACK TO THEM BY THE END OF THE MONTH.
UM, SO IF WE WILL TAKE NOTES ON WHAT, IF YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT ANYTHING TONIGHT.
UM, BUT ALSO IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING WITH, IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, AS LONG AS WE HAVE THEM BY SEPTEMBER 28TH, YOU GET THEM TO ME, WE WILL THEN FORWARD THEM ON, COMPILE THEM ALL AND FORWARD THEM ONTO THE CONSULTANT IN LIKE A SINGLE BATCH.
UM, THE IDEA THEN BEING THAT THEY WOULD MAKE ANY REVISIONS TO THE DOCUMENT BASED ON THOSE COMMENTS.
AND SO WE'D LIKELY BE BRINGING THIS BACK TO YOU IF EVERYTHING GOES EXACTLY AS PLANNED, UM, AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING AS A FINAL DRAFT.
UM, SO GIVE 'EM OCTOBER TO MAKE THEIR YEAH, I GIVE HIM OCTOBER TO MAKE THOSE.
IT'S JUST, WE WOULDN'T HAVE IT IN TIME FOR THE OCTOBER MEETING IF WE GET THEM COMMENTS AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS SCHEDULE.
UM, SO I KNOW A NUMBER OF YOU DID COME AND PICK UP A COPY, SO HOPEFULLY YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO LOOK THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEYS WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST, WHICH WERE VERY HEAVILY FOCUSED ON JUST DOCUMENTING PROPERTIES MM-HMM
UM, THIS, WHAT WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE ROBUST HISTORY OF SEDONA, UM, PROVIDING D UM, INFORMATION ON THE DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURE AND THE DIFFERENT ERAS OF SETTLEMENTS AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, SO IN ADDITION TO BEING A, UM, A DOCUMENT THAT DOCUMENTS THE, THE BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, IT'S MEANT TO BE A RESOURCE AS YOU ARE EVALUATING POTENTIAL FUTURE HISTORIC LANDMARKS OF WHERE, WHAT CATEGORY DOES THIS FIT INTO, WHAT DOES IT APPLY TO? AND THEN THERE'S RESOURCES IN THE BACK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT, UM, INCENTIVES AND TAX THINGS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE A LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
THERE'S INFORMATION IN THE DOCUMENT ABOUT POTENTIAL DISTRICTS, WHICH WE HAVE NEVER HAD IN THE PAST.
UM, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, AND IN BUILDING ON ITSELF MIGHT NOT BE ELIGIBLE, BUT THERE'S AREAS IN TOWN WHERE THE, A GROUPING OF BUILDINGS COULD CREATE A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT IN THERE.
AND, UM, THEN THERE'S SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE END THAT IF THIS DOCUMENT IS ADOPTED, WE CAN LOOK AT WHICH OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WE MIGHT MOVE FORWARD AND POTENTIALLY REQUEST ADDITIONAL MONEY FROM CITY COUNCIL TO CONTINUE THIS WORK, UM, IN FUTURE YEARS.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE GENERAL LAYOUT.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, WE'RE JUST HERE TO KIND OF GET THAT CONVERSATION STARTED ABOUT, ABOUT THIS DOCUMENT.
IS THERE ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR YOU WANNA DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO AFTER THAT? I MEAN, SUMMARY.
I, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, SO IF YOU HAVEN'T, EVEN IF YOU HAVEN'T MADE IT THROUGH YET, THAT'S, I SPENT A DAY GOING THROUGH IT
AND SO, YEAH, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE IT HEARD.
WE DO HAVE A COUPLE WEEKS, UM, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK THROUGH IT.
WE'LL GET YOU THE, UM, INVENTORY FORMS AS WELL MM-HMM
IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT, UM, I MEAN, I GUESS INITIALLY, IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU THINK IS COMPLETELY WRONG AND JUST THIS IS NOT SEDONA HISTORY, UM, WE DEFINITELY WANNA KNOW THAT IF YOU THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE MADE MORE CLEAR, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE MISSED, LIKE JUST WHAT, WHAT ARE THE COMMENTS THAT, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE? UM, YEAH, JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS, GOES A LITTLE MORE INTO THE HISTORY AND THE BACKGROUND AND SOME OF THAT BASELINE INFORMATION THAN, UM, WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.
I, I WAS VERY PLEASED WITH HOW DETAILED AND RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEY DID TAKE THE ONES THAT I HAD PUT IN AND WENT WITH IT, WHICH I WAS PLEASED ABOUT.
AND THERE WERE SOME AREAS WHERE THEY DID NOT GAIN ACCESS, UH, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO, I CAN'T
BUT THERE WERE SOME THAT THEY DID NOT FEEL WAS APPROPRIATE, LIKE SILVER SUN WEST, AND I HAD NEGATED THAT A LONG TIME AGO.
THEY, I WAS PLEASED THEY AGREED WITH ME ON THAT WHEN I WAS LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S GONE.
BUT, UM, BASICALLY I LOVE THE DETAIL, I LOVE THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL AND THE, UH, JUST THE WHOLE OVERALL I WAS VERY PLEASED WITH IT.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF WE CAN'T GET FUTURE MONIES AND GRANTS TO COME DO MORE OF THIS TO, UH, POSSIBLY GET INTO THE DISTRICTS.
THERE'S SOME DISTRICTS WE NEVER WILL, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT I THINK WE CAN, AND, UM, THEY, THEY WERE VERY POSITIVE.
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UM, BUT I'M, I'M PLEASED WITH IT.
I'M ON THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND, UH, I'M JUST REALLY, REALLY, UH, THRILLED.
UM, ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER FEENEY? I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
UM, SOME OF IT IS JUST HOUSEKEEPING STUFF.
UM, WE HAVE SOME FORMAT ISSUES ON PAGES 44 OH AND 46 THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED.
IS THAT FOR PAGE 46 OF THEIR SURVEY OR OF OUR PACKET OF THEIR SURVEY OR OUR COPIES ANYWAY, COPIES.
THIS IS HIS, IS IT IN THE RED TEXT OR THE BLACK TEXT? IT'S IN THE BLACK TEXT.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, THEY HIT, UM, A, UH, A KEY THAT MOVED THEM TO A NEW, UH, PARAGRAPH UNDER THE NRHP LISTED PROPERTIES ON PAGE 44 UP ON THE TOP.
YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEW LEASE SURVEY? IT'S 44 IN RED, 38 RED.
OH YEAH, THE PARENTHESES THERE.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, UH, IS ON PAGE 46, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THAT NEEDS TO BE TUCKED UNDER THAT PHOTOGRAPH ON PAGE 45.
SO THAT, THAT'S THOSE HOUSEKEEPING.
AND, UH, I HAD, I HAD A REAL PROBLEM.
UH, WE BROUGHT UP SILVER SUNWEST GALLERIES AND THEY WERE ISSUED A NON-CONFORMING USE PERMIT IN 1992, I BELIEVE.
AND AT ANY RATE, THEY VIOLATED THAT THING CONTINUOUSLY.
UH, THEY'VE BEEN BEFORE COUNSEL MANY TIMES WITH A LAWYER.
AND, UM, AND THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF MISINFORMATION ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I, I SEE THAT PICTURE AND I, IT, IT, WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? ME? CRINGE,
WHICH PAGE ARE YOU ON? UH, THIS IS ON OUR PAGE 51 RED 51.
AND, UH, AND THERE'S, THERE WAS A LOT OF CHICANERY INVOLVED WITH THAT PROPERTY, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, LIKE I SAY, I JUST SOON SEE IT ZIPPED.
THAT'S WHY I WAS PLEASED THAT THEY NEGATED IT AS WELL.
IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THEY RECOMMENDED.
THEY RECOMMEND AGAINST, UH, AGAINST IT.
SO YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT NOT IN THERE AT ALL? I WOULD, YES.
IS, IS THERE, JUST TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, IS THERE, UH, UH, JUSTIFICATION TO LEAVE IT IN SO THAT FUTURE COMMISSIONS KNOW, UH, THAT, UH, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM AT THAT POINT? UM, COULD BE THE, I'M GLAD THAT SOME OF US HAVE BEEN HERE THROUGH SOME OF THE TURMOIL WITH THAT PROPERTY.
IN THE FUTURE, THEY WOULDN'T BE.
AND THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT IN THAT IT HAS TO BE BETTER DESCRIBED.
SO WE CAN, I MEAN, I'M SURE THE, OUR HISTORIC CONSULTANT IS NOT AWARE OF ALL OF THE THINGS I, I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH.
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WE CAN MAYBE PROVIDE SOME, UM, ADDITIONAL DESCRIPTIONS OF SOME OF THE HISTORY OF THAT PROPERTY.
IT, LIKE I SAY, IF OR CONSIDERATION, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT FUTURE GENERATIONS MM-HMM
ON THIS, THEN I THINK THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT.
SO IF, UM, IF IT STAYS IN MAYBE A MORE FULLER DESCRIPTION OF, OF THE HISTORY OF WHAT'S GONE DOWN WITH THAT SITE MM-HMM
WELL, THERE WAS A CONSENT DECREE BETWEEN THE CITY AND SUNIL WEST THAT YEAH.
YOU JUST PUT IN AS AN ASTERISK MM-HMM
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE A SIDE OR BE POINTING FINGERS.
BUT AT LEAST IT'S THERE ON RECORD.
WELL, THAT, THAT SHED, THAT THEY REFERRED TO AS THE FATHER KENO BUILDING
I DON'T, DO YOU REMEMBER THAT
I, YEAH, THAT WAS, I THOUGHT AFTER THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS IT.
WELL, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WHEN I FIRST WAS GONNA SURVEY IT, I WENT, I DON'T THINK SO.
I HAVE A, I HAVE A FORM OF IT.
AND THE, AND THE LAST COMMENT THAT I HAVE IS, UH, ON THE RED NUMBER, UH, ONE
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13, WHICH IS ON THE, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICTS.AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE'VE HAD STRUGGLED WITH IN THE PAST AS FAR AS HISTORIC DISTRICTS IS CONCERNED ARE THE INFILL PROPERTIES, WELL, ACTUALLY TWO THINGS.
THE INFILL PROPERTIES, AND ALSO, UH, THE LACK OF COOPERATION, UH, FROM PEOPLE LIKE THE, IN THAT, UH, IN THE, IN THE UPTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD, THE ORIGINAL, UH, SUBDIVISION, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF NON-COOPERATION UP THERE.
SO I THINK THAT COULD BE A, A BIG MOUNTAIN TO CLIMB IF WE WERE, WE TRIED AND GET INTO THAT.
YOU MEAN FOR DISTRICT? FOR DISTRICT, YEAH.
WE LOOKED AT THAT, I THINK, GOD, 15 YEARS AGO MM-HMM
AND IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A PROBLEM WAITING TO HAPPEN.
AND I THINK IN THOSE DAYS TOO, YOU HAD TO HAVE I THINK ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT BUY-IN.
AND, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT BUY-IN IN THIS TOWN'S IMPOSSIBLE.
SO I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS SOMETIMES YOU, LIKE, YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS, STAY AWAY FROM IT.
I'VE GOT A COPY OF THE CFA THAT, THAT MARKS, YOU KNOW, WHERE, UH, THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL, BUT IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH.
WELL, AND ONCE PEOPLE PICK UP THAT THE CITY'S LOOKING AT THIS OR LOOKING AT THAT, IT GETS DISTORTED RIGHT.
WHEN WE AREN'T REALLY DOING ANYTHING.
WELL, THE, THE ONLY ONE I THINK OF THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAVE A CHANCE IS ME ROAD.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I CAN THINK OF.
ANYTHING ELSE THEY MENTIONED HERE, IT'S LIKE, YES, SURE.
UM, BUT THERE ARE SOME INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES WHERE NATE AND I HAVE TALKED TO SOME OF THE OWNERS AND THEY'D LOVE TO LANDMARK THEM, SO, YEAH.
WELL, THEY'VE IDENTIFIED A FEW PROPERTIES ON SMITH.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT MAKES SENSE TO GO AFTER THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, I, I GOT SPOILED, YOU KNOW, LIVING IN PHOENIX FOR A LONG TIME AND SEEING THOSE HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND, UH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE,
IT'S, IT'S TO THE WAY, UH, SEDONA DEVELOPED EXCEPT FROM MODELO ROAD, BUT THE REST IS HIT, HIT OR MISS AND THERE OR THERE.
AND EVEN THOUGH, UH, THIS ORDINANCE GOES BACK AWAY, IT DOESN'T GO FAR BACK ENOUGH
ALTHOUGH THERE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING, I'M ON A GROUP WITH THE CITY.
CAN YOU GET YOUR MICROPHONE CLOSER? I'M ON A GROUP WITH THE CITY THAT'S DOING WALK PATHS AND, AND, UM, SIGNAGE AND, AND WE WE'RE TALKING IN A BROAD SENSE ABOUT HAVING AREAS.
UH, YOU HAVE THE ART DISTRICT, YOU HAVE THE UPTOWN DISTRICT.
I THINK WE KNOW HISTORICALLY THERE ARE DISTRICTS IN TOWN THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH PULLING TOGETHER.
UH, AND SO WE COULD ACTUALLY IDENTIFY AND SAYING, OKAY, GRASSHOPPER FLATS IS MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, AND THESE, WE KIND OF USE 'EM CASUALLY MM-HMM
BUT MAYBE WE COULD, SO EVEN IF A, AN OFFICIAL DISTRICT IS NOT ADOPTED, MAYBE SOME OF THIS INFORMATION COULD GO INTO SOME OF THE WALKING TOURS OR YEAH.
WELL, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE AREA, THE UPTOWN DISTRICT, WHAT ARE THE BOUNDARIES? IF YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE ART DISTRICT, WHAT IS, WHAT ARE THE BOUNDARIES THAT, THAT'S TRUE.
YOU CAN DRIVE AROUND PHOENIX AND YOU'LL SEE, UH, SEE SIGNS, STREET SIGNS FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY A NATIONAL REGISTER LISTED.
YOU'LL SELL THE MEL DISTRICT, YOU'LL SEE THE MELROSE DISTRICT.
AND YOU SAY, OKAY, THAT'S INTERESTING.
AND I, SO I THINK THAT, I THINK WE CAN HELP WITH THE CITY MAYBE ON THAT DEFINING CERTAIN AREAS AS THEY START TO DO MAPPING AND LAYING THINGS OUT.
UM, SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN THE BACK OF OUR MIND THAT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE OFFICIAL DISTRICTS THAT HAVE POWER BEHIND THEM, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY HAVE DISTRICTS THAT YOU COULD LEAD PEOPLE TO.
ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER FEENEY? THOSE WERE GOOD.
COMMISSIONER WOODS? UM, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T REALLY COME TODAY EXPECTING TO TALK PARTICULARS.
I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT IF YOU HAD SOMETHING I, I, THERE WAS ONE THING JUST IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, THERE WAS SOME REDUNDANCY WHERE THEY HAVE THE, THE LETTERS, A, B, C, D, TO DESCRIBE, UH, WHAT, WHAT WOULD QUALIFY A BUILDING TO BE CONSIDERED.
AND IT SEEMED LIKE THEY, IT CAME UP TOO MANY TIMES.
I, I GOTTA GO BACK AND CHECK NOW, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN THAT, BUT LIKE, IF IT'S MENTIONED FIVE TIMES DURING THIS IN THE DRAFT IS KINDA LIKE, WELL, MAYBE IT ONLY NEEDS TO BE MENTIONED TWICE.
WELL, I, I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THEY ALSO DESCRIBED THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF THE PROPERTIES QUALIFYING FOR THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTRY MM-HMM
SO I THINK THAT'S THE CONFUSION.
THAT'S WHERE THE REDUNDANCY SEEMED TO COME UP OR SOMETHING.
I DIDN'T REALLY GO BACK AND DELVE BACK INTO IT.
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THING IS THE, I I WOULD JUST SAY ANOTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT YOU GUYS ARE READING THIS FRONT TO BACK.UM, THE LIKELIHOOD THAT SOMEONE OTHER THAN YOU IS GOING TO DO THAT IS FAIRLY LOW.
AND SO THEY MIGHT JUST GO AND THEY, THEY WANNA LEARN ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES IN SEDONA, SO THEY GO TO THAT SECTION.
SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME REPEATED INFORMATION MM-HMM
THE USE OF THE DOCUMENT IS NOT GOING TO BE SOMEONE SITTING DOWN AND READING IT.
FRONT TO THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
THAT'S, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT.
AND I THINK TOO, THERE'S, THERE'S THE EXPLANATION OF THE NATIONAL REGISTER AS, AS, AS COMMISSIONER FEENEY WAS JUST SAYING, THERE, THERE IS THE NATIONAL REGISTER, A, B, C, D.
THERE'S ALSO, THEY LIST THE CITY REQUIREMENTS, WHICH MAY SEEM, BECAUSE OURS ARE BASED OFF OF THOSE, IT MIGHT SEEM A LITTLE REDUNDANT TOO.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I LOVE YOUR POINT THOUGH.
I THINK THAT IT KIND OF ANSWERS MY QUESTION IN A WAY BECAUSE YEAH.
WELL, THE WONDERFUL THING IS AT LEAST THEY INCLUDED THAT, THOSE CRITERIA IN THE DOCUMENT MM-HMM
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO TO, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, ANOTHER SET OF FORMS TO THE CODE
WHICH IS ACTUALLY VERY HELPFUL WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, UH, PREVIOUS ITERATIONS OF THIS, WHERE YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE THE CODE PULLED UP SEPARATELY.
THE ONLY OTHER THING WAS ON THOSE ACTION ITEMS MM-HMM
ARE, ARE SOME OF THOSE ACTION ITEMS, UH, CAN BE PERFORMED TO SOME DEGREE BY OUR GROUP AND SOME BY THE, BY HIRING THE, THE SAME GROUP TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY DO A GREAT JOB.
IS THAT, IS THAT, IS IT, OR IS IT UNDERSTOOD THAT THESE ACTION ITEMS ARE WHAT THEY SUGGEST FOR THE FUTURE OF FOLKS LIKE THEM COMING IN? UM, I THINK THEY'RE, I MEAN, THAT MIGHT BE A, I CAN ASK THEM TO CLARIFY THAT, BUT I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT THESE ARE THINGS THAT THE CITY SHOULD, THAT THEY THINK THE CITY SHOULD PURSUE AS NEXT STEPS FROM THIS SURVEY.
WHETHER IT'S OUR HPC DOING IT, WHETHER IT'S STAFF, WHETHER IT'S HIRING A CONSULTANT, WHETHER IT'S THEM OR SOMEBODY ELSE, I DON'T LIKE, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT'S JUST TO CONTINUE BUILDING THE DATABASE OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND THE SURVEY AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO WHAT WE'VE DONE AND JUST UPDATE THIS DOCUMENT ONCE EVERY 10 YEARS OR SO.
BUT, UM, TO BE A LITTLE MORE ROBUST, HERE'S THINGS YOU CAN DO TO BUILD ON THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, I THINK IS, AND IT NO RECOMMENDATIONS NECESSARILY WHO DOES IT RIGHT.
BUT, BUT IT DOES GIVE AN IDEA OF THE, THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT'S OUT THERE FOR FUTURE, UM, RIGHT.
WORK IN THIS REGARD AND GIVES US AN IDEA TO START THINKING ABOUT HOW TO BUDGET FOR IT.
BETWEEN CITY FUNDS OR GRANT FUNDS OR, OR WHATEVER ELSE.
YOU KNOW, IT GIVES US AN IDEA OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE SHOOTING FOR.
AND THE ADVANTAGE IS THAT THEY HAVE VERY CLEARLY INDICATED THEIR SCOPE OF WORK.
SO YOU HAVE YET THAT TO GO OFF OF.
I THINK THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB ON THAT.
AND NOW THERE'S THINGS I GOT MY HANDS ON
I'VE GOT A COUPLE PLACES I'M GOING TO VISIT WITH MY UNIFORM,
IF YOU SEE SOMETHING IN, IN THE DOCUMENT WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO ACCESS SOMETHING AND YOU ARE, AND YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN LEGALLY GO ON A PROPERTY.
WELL, I NEVER GO ON A PROPERTY.
I NEVER, I NEVER TRESPASS AND THEY WEREN'T EITHER.
I COULD TELL SOME OF THOSE THEY WERE TAKING FROM THE STREET.
HELLO? UH, I WILL KNOCK ON THE DOOR.
SO IF, IF YOU TELL THEM WHO I AM, I HAVE A CALLING THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD HELP OUT GETTING A BETTER PICTURE, GETTING SOME MORE INFORMATION THAT IS, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT AS WELL.
I HAVE CALLING CARDS THAT I MADE, I HAVE MYSELF.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT ENTAILS, PLEASE REACH OUT.
I THINK WE NEED LANYARDS IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
EGNER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? NO, I THINK THIS IS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE, UM, LOOKING FOR COMMAS AND, UH, PARAGRAPHS.
I THINK THIS IS WAY OVER MY HEAD.
I COULD HAVE USED YOU IN HIGH SCHOOL.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I'LL ADD TO EVERYTHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, UM,
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IS IN ADDITION TO THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, I LIKE THAT IT INCLUDES A SECTION ON MANAGEMENT AND INCENTIVES TOO.YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN POINT TO WHEN, WHEN A A, A PROPERTY OWNER IS ASKING WHAT'S IN IT FOR THEM, WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO THIS SECTION, SAY, RIGHT HERE, HERE'S WHAT'S IN IT FOR YOU.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S INCREDIBLY HELPFUL.
UM, I, I WAS VERY PLEASED WITH THAT.
UH, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF IT OUR COUNTY AND OUR CITY MM-HMM
SOME OF IT LOOKED LIKE IT MIGHT BE MORE NATIONAL OR STATEWIDE.
SO THAT CON I HAVEN'T QUITE GOTTEN TO THAT SECTION.
WHEN GET TO, SO I'LL, I'LL, I'LL BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT YOU SAY, BECAUSE I BELIEVE SOME OF THAT ISN'T PERTINENT IN THIS STATE AND THIS CITY AND COUNTY, SO, OR COUNTIES.
SO I WOULD BE CURIOUS MORE ON THAT.
THEY DO, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE BASED IN PHOENIX, SO I THINK THEY MM-HMM
I THINK THEY HAVE SOME GOOD IDEAS ABOUT WHAT THE STATE CAN DO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THEM.
BUT THE STATE, BUT THE LOCAL, BUT YEAH.
I MEAN, BUT THAT WAS A GREAT PLACE.
I MEAN, I LEARNED A LOT FROM THIS.
AND I, I'M, I'M THRILLED WITH IT.
LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THE, THE UM OKAY.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM? NO.
AND WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM.
IF YOU WOULD COME TO THE MICROPHONE, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UH, SHARE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, PLEASE.
I, I PUT A QUESTION MARK ON THAT, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT CARD BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS UNTIL I FOLLOWED YOUR DISCUSSION.
UM, I'M, I'VE SKIMMED THIS DOCUMENT.
I HAVEN'T READ IT FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE END, BUT WHAT I SAW WAS REALLY MASTERFUL AND IT'S, UM, AN INCREDIBLE COMPENDIUM THAT'S REALLY WELL RESEARCHED.
UM, AND THAT, THAT IS SUCH A GIFT TO THE CITY AND TO YOU AS A COMMISSION, AS YOU'RE ASKED TO REVIEW POTENTIAL APPLICATIONS FOR HISTORIC LANDMARKS.
SO IT'S A GREAT GUIDING DOCUMENT, AND I'M GLAD THE CITY UNDERWROTE IT AND I HOPE THERE'S A CONTINUING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THIS, UM, FIRM AND, AND YOU AS, AS A COMMISSION.
UM, I HAD, UM, I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS THAT AS I WAS GOING THROUGH, THEY MADE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROPERTIES LIKE RAINBOWS END AND, UH, THE, I THINK IT'S BLACK'S GARAGE UPTOWN THAT HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS.
AND IT, UM, IT CAUSED ME TO REFLECT ON PREVIOUS DECISIONS THAT THE HBC HAS MADE WHEN THERE HAVE BEEN EXTENSIVE MODIFICATIONS.
THIS DID NOT HOLD THEM BACK FOR MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND I JUST PUT A QUESTION MARK ON THAT.
UM, THEY'RE RECOMMENDING NON-CONTIGUOUS, UM, OR THEY'RE HAVING SUGGESTING YOU CONSIDER, UM, NON-CONTIGUOUS HISTORIC DISTRICTS, WHICH MEANS A PARCEL HERE, A PARCEL THERE.
AND WHEN THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED IN THE PAST BY THE CITY, WE'VE SEEN IT AS, UM, A CONCENTRATED AREA LIKE UPTOWN OR, UM, ONE THAT I THINK THAT ISN'T IN HERE, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD ONE, WOULD BE ON BREWER ROAD.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE, THE, UH, BLACK HANDS HOUSES.
IT WOULD INCLUDE THE HEART STORE, IT WOULD INCLUDE THE FOREST SERVICE BUILDINGS, THE RANGER STATION ON THE BARN.
THAT TO MAKE ME, MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
AND IT CAN TIE IN WITH THE WALKS THAT STEVE'S TALKING ABOUT.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY I KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT SUN, SILVER WEST
AND THEY'VE MADE ALL OF THAT UP.
AND THEY ARE, AS FAR AS I KNOW, IN COMPLIANCE, I DON'T THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO ASTERISK ANYTHING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THAT PROPERTY.
I WOULD ASK FOR ONE MORE MINUTE.
UM, AS THE DISTRICT SIT, UM, AN APPLICATION HAS TO INCLUDE 51% OR MORE OF THE AREA THAT IS PROPOSED FOR A DISTRICT.
SO IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T REQUIRE EVERYBODY TO SAY YES, BUT CLEARLY YOU
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WOULD WANT AS MANY AS POSSIBLE.YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO CREATE A DISTRICT OF DISSENSION.
UM, I'M WONDERING IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AS YOUR WORK PLAN FOR THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE TO 10 YEARS, UM, THAT'S THE WAY I SAW IT.
THEY MAKE A LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARKS.
THEY MAKE SUBSTANTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROPERTIES LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
UM, SO I, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE, IF I WERE IN YOUR SHOES, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LOOK AT AS A STEPPING OFF POINT FOR YOUR ANNUAL OR THREE OR FIVE YEAR WORK PLAN.
IN ESSENCE, THEY'VE DONE IT FOR YOU.
AND, AND FOR THAT, I THINK, UM, IT MAKES IT EVEN A MORE REMARKABLE DOCUMENT.
IF YOU CAN USE THIS AS YOUR, AS YOUR GUIDE.
UM, LASTLY, AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE CONTINUED RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE CONSULTANT WILL BE.
UM, I READ THE, THEIR REPORTS ON THE LAST TWO, UM, PROPOSED LANDMARK PROPERTIES.
AND THEY'RE EXTRAORDINARY IN TERMS OF RESEARCH AND DOCUMENTATION.
AND IF YOU CAN HAVE THAT CONTINUING RELATIONSHIP, UH, IT DOESN'T FALL TO STAFF.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN DOING THOSE IN THE PAST OR NOT, BUT THEIR BACKGROUND, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T TOP IT.
SO I THINK THAT, UH, IN A, MAYBE A DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEM, YOU MIGHT WANT TO, UM, TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE WHAT KIND OF WORK THEY DO.
WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM.
UH, CARRIE, I SAW YOU TAKING SOME FURIOUS NOTES THERE.
ARE, YOU'RE GONNA FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS? YES.
UM, BEFORE I MOVE ON, ANYTHING ELSE ON, ON THIS? NO, I WOULD SAY I TOOK NOTES ON EVERYTHING YOU GUYS SAID.
AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, UM, ANYTHING YOU, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA PROVIDE TO ME, UM, BY SEPTEMBER 28TH WILL ALLOW ME TO COMPILE IT ALL AND GET IT TO THEM BY SEPTEMBER 30TH.
UM, I WILL BE SENDING THE INVENTORY FORMS OUT AS WELL, UM, SO YOU GUYS CAN LOOK THROUGH THOSE AS WELL.
I'M SORRY I DIDN'T INCLUDE THOSE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TIME TO LOOK THROUGH THEM AND PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS YOU WANT.
UM, AND THOSE AS WELL, IF YOU WOULD PREFER A PRINTED COPY OF THEM, PLEASE JUST REACH OUT TO DAVE MARIE AND WE CAN GET THOSE TO YOU.
I KNOW THAT READING SOMETHING OF THIS VOLUME BY STARING AT A SCREEN IS, UM, NOT THE BEST, NOT IDEAL.
SO, UM, WE ARE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU SOME PRINTED COPIES OF THINGS IF, IF NEEDED.
BECAUSE I CAME, WHEN I CAME IN TO GET THIS PACKET.
OH, I KNOW IT WASN'T NECESSARILY FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT YOU'RE THE
MAYBE THOUGH WE COULD JUST MAKE A DECISION TO HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE AND THEN IF WHOEVER WANTS ONE, RAISE THEIR HAND.
YEAH, I DO TOO, BUT I CAN'T PICK IT UP TILL OCTOBER.
I MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S THESE THREE PAPER COPIES OF THIS.
I'LL ACTUALLY PRINT OUT FOUR BECAUSE I'LL HAVE ONE.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS TOPIC? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. UH, NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR MONDAY OCTOBER 12TH.
UM, IS THAT INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S DAY?
SO THAT WOULD BE A HOLIDAY FOR YOU GUYS? THAT'S THE OLD COLUMBUS DAY.
IF SO, THE CITY DOES NOT TAKE THAT AS A HOLIDAY.
UM, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO DISCUSS THE, LIKE I SAID, BY THE TIME WE GET THE CONSULTANT OR COMMENTS AND THEY TURN IT AROUND.
UM, WE'LL LIKELY BE LOOKING AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING FOR THE FINAL DRAFT OF THIS.
AND I'M NOT WORKING ON ANY OTHER HISTORIC PRESERVATION THINGS RIGHT NOW, SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU GUYS WANTED TO ADD, WE CAN'T.
IS THERE ANYTHING ANYONE SEES AS A NECESSARY AGENDA ITEM FOR THAT? 'CAUSE I WAS GOING TO USE THE HOLIDAYS.
A CONVENIENT EXCUSE TO SAY, WHY DON'T WE WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER ANYWAY, UM, WHEN WE'LL HAVE THE FINAL REPORT FROM LOGAN SIMPSON.
SO WE'LL PLAN ON CANCELING THE OCTOBER MEETING, BUT HAVING THE NOVEMBER MEETING.
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OKAY, GREAT.I DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE DON'T HAVE A LAWYER AND WE DON'T HAVE A LAWYER PRESENT, SO WE CAN'T.
UM, AND SO WE WILL, UH, ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 4 34.
IF WE WANTED TO PURSUE A HISTORIC DISTRICT, IS THERE A PROCESS FOR THAT AT THIS POINT? WE, IT'S IN OUR CODE THAT WE YEAH, IT IS.
WELL, I MEAN, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE THINK ABOUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE BREWER ROAD, I THINK THE BREWER ROAD AND THE BREWER PARK AREA WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD GOOD POINT.
GET OUR HEAD AROUND AND, UH, KIND OF, KIND OF SAY, LET'S, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD THINK ABOUT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT.
WE'VE GOT THE PARK THERE AND THE PARK'S LOOKING FOR.