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[City Council Compensation Work Group on September 21, 2026.]
AS YES.SHARE THIS? 'CAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE HAD YOU DO THAT I THINK BEFORE, HAVEN'T OH, SURE.
CJ, BROCK, SEAN, HERE, DALLY RUSS.
SO EVERYONE BUT LAURA AND LAURA HAD CALLED ME THURSDAY AND SAID SHE COULD NOT MAKE IT.
UH, AND SO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAD PUT THAT IN AND THAT SHE HAD SOME COMMENTS, BUT ULTIMATELY NOT SURE WHERE THAT IS.
UH, WHAT'S NEXT? THE MINUTES? YES.
AS I POINTED OUT, LAURA WAS ON THE PHONE.
SO, UH, ANYTHING, ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? I, I GOT A LITTLE MORE WORDY OR A LITTLE MORE DESCRIPTIVE 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'RE GETTING CLOSER.
SO ANYWAY, HOPEFULLY THAT WAS OKAY.
SO IF THEY'RE READY FOR A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS AND REVIEW THE DRAIN, WHICH LOOKS SO NICELY PUT TOGETHER.
SO THERE'S, AND AGAIN, I KNOW THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT, AS I KIND OF REVIEWED THINGS, THERE WAS THIS IDEA THAT UM, WE MIGHT NOT DO A SUMMARY LIKE REPORT.
WE WOULD JUST DO A PRESENTATION.
SO I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT THAT BE AT LEAST THE FIRST DISCUSSION POINT IS THAT, AND I PUT TOGETHER A VERY GENERIC, I DIDN'T LIKE, I GAVE IT A VERY, VERY, VERY GENERIC VIEW.
UM, TRYING TO FIND IT NOW, PRESENTATION.
UM, AND THE IDEA BEING THAT I DIDN'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO PROJECT.
AND I KNOW THERE WAS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT NUMBERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO I STAYED AWAY FROM THAT SPECIFICALLY IN THE REPORT.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I WANNA MAKE SURE IS CLEAR.
EVEN IN THE GENERIC, I TRIED TO JUST STAY WITH THE GENERAL CONCEPTS OF, WE WENT FROM HERE, DID A BUNCH OF REVIEW, GOT A BUNCH OF DATA, AND NOW WE'RE USING THAT DATA TO COME UP WITH.
AND WE LOOKED AT A FEW DIFFERENT, I WOULD CALL MODELS OR SETUPS THAT SET YOU UP FOR DECISION MAKING.
AND THEN I TRIED TO BREAK THAT DOWN IN BOTH THE REPORT AND UH, THE PRESENTATION WITH THE IDEA THAT AT THIS MEETING YOU WOULD GET CLOSER TO DETERMINING AND DIRECTING THAT TO ME AS OPPOSED TO ME TELLING YOU WHICH DIRECTION I THINK IT SHOULD HEAD.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY OR ROLE HERE.
I THINK THAT'S YOUR, YOUR ALL'S.
AND SO I DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY A LARGER ROLE IN THAT JUST BECAUSE I HAD DRAFTED SOMETHING.
SO IN BOTH THOSE THINGS, I DRAFTED THEM WITH THE INTENT THAT YOU WOULD CHEW THEM UP AND SPIT THEM OUT.
FRANKLY, IF THEY'RE GOOD, GREAT.
I'M I, I LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE CRITIQUE IS PART OF THE DEAL, SO PLEASE, I THINK AT THIS POINT I WOULD SUBMIT THAT MAYBE IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BOTH, THEN WE WORK THROUGH BOTH AND THEN ONE REFLECTS THE OTHER.
IF WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE BOTH, THEN MAKE THAT KIND OF DECISION NOW AND THEN FOCUS ON THE ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY WORK FROM.
I THINK FROM ALSO FROM A TIMELINE STANDPOINT, I THINK WE ARE LOOKING TOWARDS A, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IDEA THAT WE'RE LOOKING TOWARDS A NEXT ELECTION CYCLE RUN AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO GET IT IN AND HAVE THIS GROUP PROPOSE THEMSELVES OR IN SOME CASES THEMSELVES.
BUT THAT IT'S OKAY IF THIS TAKES A FEW MORE MEETINGS TO GET TO.
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UH, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING EVEN LAUREN, LAURA, UH, HAD MENTIONED AS WELL.LIKE I SAID IT AS CLOSE AS WE MIGHT GET TO TODAY, IT MIGHT TAKE ANOTHER MEETING TO KIND OF CLOSE THE LID ON IT.
SO GENERICALLY, IS THERE A, IS THERE A PREFERENCE? ARE WE DOING BOTH? ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE DOING? ARE WE DOING THE PRESENTATION OR THE DOCUMENT? YEAH.
OR IS THAT THEY'LL PARTNER PARCEL EACH OTHER? WE'LL HAVE A COUPLE PAGE DOCUMENT, LIKE I SAID, TO KIND OF GET EVERYBODY'S JUICES FLOWING ON WHAT WE DID AND WHY WE DID IT.
AND THEN IN TURN GO AHEAD AND MAKE A PRESENTATION THAT WILL THEN GENERATE THE CONVERSATION THAT WILL LEAD TO CONVERSATION ON THE COUNCIL LEVEL FOR THEIR ULTIMATE DECISION.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT TO GIVE THEM A HEAVIER DOCUMENT THAT KIND OF WALKS THEM THROUGH OUR PROCESS.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE THE BIGGEST, LIKE I DON'T WANT THEM TO COME IN ALREADY ELEVATED, RIGHT? LIKE ALREADY COME IN WITH A VERY DEEP OPINION BEFORE THEY KNOW WHAT WE DID.
SO I ALMOST FEEL LIKE THE MORE DETAILY THING OF LIKE HERE WAS OUR PROCESS, WE COULD GIVE THEM A DOCUMENT BEFOREHAND TO LET THEM LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FILTER THROUGH THAT SO THEY KNOW HOW MUCH WORK WENT INTO IT AND THEN DO A SIMPLER PRESENTATION IS MY IDEA.
I'M NOT SAYING LIKE TAKE THEM THROUGH THE NUMBERS, BUT TELL THEM WE LOOKED AT LIKE EVERY CITY IN THE STATE, WE LOOKED AT STATES OUTSIDE, WE, WE DID ALL OF THIS IS MY OPINION BECAUSE I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES WHEN IT'S ON THE AGENDA AND WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOOK AT, THEY CAN COME IN WITH THEIR OWN OPINIONS OF WHAT'S GOING HAPPEN OR NOT.
I ACTUALLY HAD ONE OF THE NEW
BUT UM, AND HE ALSO WAS OF THE OPINION OF THE MAYOR TO GAVE WAY MORE.
I LIKE, WOW, NONE OF US THAT IT'S AN HONOR.
WHATEVER GONE THEY ACTIVE IN YET.
AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF REGULARS THAT ARE SITTING COUNSELORS, BUT THIS ONE IS NOT ONE.
THIS WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED TO ME.
AND SO I WAS SURPRISED THAT THERE WAS LIKE, NO, IT WAS VERY MUCH LIKE A, A PRIDE ISSUE.
IT'S OF SERVICE I'M GIVING TO MY COMMUNITY.
HOW DARE IT NOT BE OF SERVICE? LIKE VERY MUCH LIKE SITTING FROM A PLACE OF PRIDE, WHICH WAS REALLY HELPFUL I THINK FOR US TO KNOW IN A, FROM A PLACE OF PRESENTATION THAT THIS IS ALMOST MIGHT BE TRIGGERING FOR, WELL HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT I NEED, HOW DARE YOU SAY I'M DOING THIS FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN SERVING MY COMMUNITY.
SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL IN OUR PRESENTATION FOR PERSPECTIVE.
'CAUSE MAYBE WE CAN EASE THAT EARLY.
DO YOU THINK THAT SOME, THE REAL DRAW A STRONG DIVIDE BETWEEN THE, THE HEALTH CARE COMPONENT AND THE COMPENSATION COMPONENT? LIKE THE STUDENTS HAVE SEPARATE RELATED BUT NOT LINKED TO ISSUES.
IS THAT WHERE IT'S NOT A BLANK, LIKE A BLANKET ISSUE OR? I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE EASY.
I THINK PROBABLY TO ME IF WE DO NOTHING ELSE BUT GET HEALTHCARE FOR, DON'T GET ME WRONG, I WANT THIS WHOLE THING, BUT BROCK AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR A DECADE.
YOU'RE GOING TO PAY COUNSELORS.
BUT I THINK THAT IF WE COMPLETELY FAIL AND WE ONLY GET HEALTHCARE, I THINK THAT'S A WIN.
SO IF WE NEED TO SPLIT IT THEN, BUT I ALMOST FEEL LIKE IT'S A, HE DIDN'T FIGHT ME ON THAT.
SO MAYBE THAT WON'T BE, MAYBE THEY'LL JUST SAY, YEAH, THAT'S NO BIG DEAL.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I, I DEFINITELY THINK THERE'S A EGO THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE AWARE OF IN THE PRESENTATION.
SO IT WAS AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION.
I'M GLAD IT HAPPENED BEFORE ALL OF THIS.
OH, I LIKED AND I ALSO PREPPED HIM FOR IT.
RIGHT? LIKE I WAS ALSO ABLE TO LIKE WATCH WHAT SOME OF THE THINGS OF LIKE, WELL THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
LIKE WE'RE NOT ONE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PAY YOU.
YOU ARE NOT THE PERSON WE'RE TRYING TO PAY.
AS I WAS READING THE PRESENTATION HERE AND I WAS LIKE, IS THAT SET UP A AN ODD OPTIC IF YOU WILL, IN TERMS OF THE COUNSELORS THAT TAKE THE MONEY BEING LESSER THAN THE ONES THAT DON'T TAKE IT.
YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF REELECTION PROSPECTS AND I'M JUST DOING IT FOR THE SERVICE IS OTHER PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TOOK THE MONEY.
IS THAT, I MEAN THAT'S THE THING, THEIR OWN THING.
I MEAN, I KNOW OTHER PLACES ALLOW YOU TO LIKE
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PUT IT WHERE YOU WANT IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WAY TO MAKE IT CONFIDENTIAL, TRULY BECAUSE THE JUST RECORDS REQUESTS EXIST AND WE ALL KNOW THAT SOMEONE'S GONNA GO AND AN ARTICLE AND WE MEASURE CURRENTLY.I, I MEAN I GUESS THAT'S A JUST UP TO THE PERSON AND IF THEY WANT FIX, THAT'S THEIR CHOICE.
BUT I ALSO THINK IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S TAKING IT WHO'S LIKE, I'VE GOT A FAMILY AND A BUSINESS AND THIS IS OFF, I'M STILL LOSING MONEY.
ARE THERE COUNSELORS THAT DON'T TAKE IT OUT? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
I THINK IT'S, THAT'S WHY LIKE YEAH, I THINK I DO WONDER WHETHER IF IT WAS A BIGGER SUM, IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT STATEMENT.
IT'S STILL NOT THAT LARGE A SUM IN, I HAVE HAD COUNCIL AND MAYORS BEFORE CHOOSE NOT TO IN OTHER SITUATIONS THAT I'VE BEEN IN.
AND THEY DID OCCASIONALLY MENTION THAT IN WHATEVER FORM NECESSARILY POLITICALLY, BUT ONE USED IT IN A DEFENSE OF A CONVERSATION.
SO IT'S, IT CAN BE AND IT WOULD BE USED AT SOME POINT.
EVEN IF YOU HAD THE BEST INTENTIONS.
SO, AND THAT'S WHAT HE WAS, HE WAS ARGUING THAT LIKE, WELL WE'D ALLOW PEOPLE WHO ARE INAPPROPRIATE TO RUN, RUN.
AND I WAS LIKE, THEY STILL HAVE TO WIN.
LIKE IF YOU, IT'S NOT, THE MONEY IS NOT GONNA PUT SOMEONE ON COUNCIL WHO STILL CAN'T WIN THE ELECTION.
IT'S NOT LIKE AN OPEN, IT WAS A FRUSTRATING CONVERSATION AND I DID NOT KNOW TO CHANGE HIS OPINION ONLY JUST TO
BUT YEAH, SO I THINK, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST DISCUSS.
LIKE, THIS ISN'T THIS OPENING DOOR TO ANYONE.
YOU STILL HAVE TO GET ELECTED.
YOU STILL HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY FOR ELECTION RELATED.
AND WE SAW HOW MUCH MONEY WAS SPENT IN THIS LAST ELECTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I GUESS THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT THE PERSON I TALKED TO IS GONNA BE THE HARDEST PERSON TO CONVINCE OH, OH, NICE BENCHMARK.
IT'S, I'M HAVING TO WALK AROUND IT.
I DEFINITELY THINK HE'S GONNA BE THE HARDEST PERSON.
SO, AND HE MAY REPRESENT THAT PERSON ON THE COMMUNITY, UH, WHO YOU COULDN'T CONVINCE.
I THINK ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS, I SAW HER NAME WAS ON THAT COMMITTEE,
RICK, YOU SAW MY NAME ON ISLAND KNOW.
ANYWAY, THAT WAS, I THOUGHT I'D BRING THAT TO THE TABLE JUST SO WE KNOW.
I GOT A, A QUICK LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE ASKED BY THE, PROBABLY BY THE PERSON WHO'S MOST AGAINST WHAT WE'RE DOING.
BUT HOPEFULLY I PRACTICED ENOUGH THAT MAYBE I ALREADY, MAYBE IT'LL BE A LITTLE LESS.
BUT TO THE QUESTION THEN IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A DEPTH OF REPORT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO THAT YOU HAVE THE MOST OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
DOES THAT LOOK LIKE, UH, A SPREADSHEET REPORT THAT GOES THROUGH SOME OF THE, THE FINANCIAL NUMBERS THAT WE WENT THROUGH? OR IS THAT JUST A STATEMENT THAT WE WENT THROUGH THESE PLACES AND LOOKED AT THESE, YOU KNOW, THE WAGES AND WE LOOKED AT THE BUDGETS AND STUFF? BECAUSE WE MENTIONED THAT A LITTLE BIT IN THE REPORT, OR AT LEAST I I REMEMBER SAYING IT A SENTENCE OR THREE.
RIGHT? SO THAT CONVERSATION IS NOW HOW MUCH DEPTH DO WE GO INTO TO ESTABLISH? AND MAYBE THAT'S TO LEAD TO WHATEVER NUMBER YOU COME UP WITH HAS TO PROBABLY HAVE SOME CONTEXT FOR WHERE YOU BROUGHT THOSE NUMBERS FORWARD, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THAT'S MY CONCERN IS WE DON'T REALLY HAVE GREAT DATA SUPPORT FOR WHAT WE'RE LEADING DECISION.
SO I I'M, WE SHOULD BE A LITTLE MORE LIKE MAYBE WE LIST EVERY CITY WE INTO EVERY, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M NOT, WE COULD LIST A DIFFERENT LIKE, LIKE MODEL WE ATTEMPTED AND ALSO ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS NOT BASED ON DATA ELSE.
AND WE LOOKED AT ALL THESE MODELS AS CROSS REFERENCE AND, BUT WE COULDN'T FIND ANY APPLICABLE LIKE RATIO OF BUDGET TOO.
WELL SAYING WHY, WHY, WHY EACH OF THOSE IS DEFICIENT.
EVEN TPT OR BUDGET OR POPULATION YEAH.
A, WE LOOKED AT IT B IT'S NOT, WE COULDN'T FIND GOOD COMPS YEAH.
AND UM, THEN YOU COULD SHOW A CHART OR TWO THAT JUST SHOW THE WIDE BREADTH IN ALL THE DIFFERENT CITIES.
YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY MUCH YOU DECIDE.
THERE'S COVER FOR THIS, THE RANGE, END OF THE RANGE AND THERE'S COVER FOR THIS SET OF THE RANGE.
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IT DOESN'T HELP GUIDE YOU, BUT IT JUST SHOWS YOU HOW DISPARATE IT ALL IS.IT'S FOR SOME SET OF FACTORS THAT WE REALLY COULDN'T DETERMINE.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.
YOU'VE GOT IT ALREADY, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT IT IN THE YEAH, LIKE WE COULD SHOW THIS, THIS SCATTER PLOT, ONE THAT SHOWS, UM, YOU KNOW, JEROME OVER HERE AT LIKE $26 A RESIDENT AND HOW SEDONA IS HERE AT A DOLLAR RESIDENT AND SOME, SOME PAY NOTHING.
AND SO IT'S, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA IS TO MORE LIKE SHOW THE BREADTH OF WORK WE DID.
LIKE WE WISH WE WOULD'VE FOUND SOME KIND OF CONSISTENCY.
BUT COLSON AS AN EXAMPLE, RIGHT? CLOSEST COMP FROM TPT, BUT SO MANY OTHER FACTORS THAT DIS QUALIFY.
THERE'S ALWAYS 500 FORTUNE 100 COMPANIES THERE AND IT'S JUST NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE INDUSTRIAL, BUT IT'S
THERE'S BARELY ANY PEOPLE AND THEY DON'T PAY THAT MUCH.
AND SO THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO ATTRACT, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND THAT IF WE EVER CROSS COMPARE BASICALLY LIKE WHAT I WOULD THINK OF AS THE TWO OTHER MAJOR TOUR CITIES, ARIZONA, THAT ARE SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER, BUT CITY LIKE DRONE AND BIBE WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD THINK OF ARE PRETTY MUCH ENTIRELY RIVER SPACE.
UM, AND WE LOOKED AT SALARY PER CAPITA AND WE LOOKED AT JUST NEAREST POPULATION IN A CERTAIN RANGE.
AND YOU DOESN'T REALLY TELL YOU ANYTHING.
DO YOU HAVE WHAT THOSE TWO CITIES PAY, THEY PAY AT ALL? UH, YEAH.
UM, THE SECOND ONE IS, IS THE VISITING REAL? I THINK IT LIKE MOST LIKELY WHAT THE, THE, THAT DOCUMENT SHOULD, SHOULD SHOW IS THAT, UH, FOR LACK OF BETTER METAPHOR, WE, WE ROAM DRY LOOKING FOR DIFFERENT MODELS AND METHODS AND WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY COULD HAVE AND
SO IN, IN SOME WAYS I, I TRIED TO LAY OFF A REPORTING THAT THERE IS DIFFERENT MODELS OR DIFFERENT WAYS THE TPT, THE BUDGETS, THE WHATEVER.
SO I'VE TRIED TO GIVE 'EM ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE WENT TO IS THE CONCEPT OF GETTING TO, UH, WITH ALL THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT LED US TO THE VERY UNIQUE NATURE OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
WHICH ALSO LED US BACK TO, BACK TO THE PURPOSE OF THE GROUP WAS TO REALLY FOCUS ON WHAT DID WE THINK WAS GOING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE FOR SOMEBODY THAT HASN'T LOOKED INTO TRYING TO BECOME A COUNSELOR.
SO THEN WE DID IT MORE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE THAN THE MAYBE THE VERY LOGICAL OR STATISTICAL BASIS WE WENT BACK TO WHAT WOULD THAT PERSON NEED? WHAT MOVES THE NEEDLE? UH, WITHOUT MOVING IT TOO FAR TO THIS IDEA THAT THEY'RE NOT SERVING ANYMORE, THEY'RE JUST SERVING THE DOLLAR.
THE, THE BENEFIT INSTEAD OF THE SERVICE COMPONENT.
IS THAT HOW YOU WANT TO LEAN THE REPORT TO KIND OF SUM UP THE, THE STATISTICAL INFORMATION OR BASIS? AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, I MEAN I IT WOULD BE HAVING YOU POINT OUT MAYBE, AND MAYBE IT'S, YOU KNOW, BULLET ITEMS OF HOW EACH OF THOSE AREAS, BECAUSE YOU HAD AT ONE POINT SAID THESE MATCH UP IN TPT, THESE MATCH UP IN KIND OF THE WAGES AND THE, THE SIZE OF COMMUNITY AND THESE MATCH UP IN THE FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT AREAS.
IS IT THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD LIST THOSE COMMUNITIES IN THOSE AREAS SO THAT WE HAD SOME REFERENCE TO THE REVIEW THAT YOU DID SO THAT UH, PARADISE VALLEY YES.
IT MATCHES THESE THREE THINGS AND PAYS NOTHING.
OR IT'S REALLY ABOVE LIKE THE NORTH STAR I THINK.
VERSUS TRYING TO BE IN LINE WITH SOMETHING OR SOMEONE ELSE.
LIKE THE NORTH STAR IS TRYING TO GET BOTH.
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RIGHT AFTER SEEING THAT WE DID NOT HAVE THE ROBUST RIGHT.THAT YOU'RE WE'RE NEVER GOING TO FIND ONE COMPARISON THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE DID THIS.
IT JUST DOESN'T, I THINK PART OF IT IS PROOF OF WORK.
I THINK THAT FROM MY EXPERIENCE BEING IN THE ROOM FOR MEETINGS, IF WE CAME IN WITH JUST THE NORTH STAR AND NO DATA, THEY WOULD LEAVE US ALIVE.
AND SO TO HAVE THE, LIKE WE DID, WE DONE, WE RANG IT DRY, LIKE HERE'S SOME OF THE PROOF, BUT WE KEPT COMING BACK TO THERE'S NO PERFECT NICHE.
THIS IS THE REASON WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON, I THINK IS SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH THE REPORT, I THINK SO IN SUPPORTIVE DATA, GREAT.
MAYBE THAT'S COUNTER PLOT AND A COUPLE OF THE LITTLE BOXES WE HAD WITH THE PEOPLE WERE SIMILAR BUT C DIDN'T FIT.
BUT THEN COMING BACK TO LIKE, THIS IS A WAY TO OFFSET.
AND I THINK WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT AFTER THAT CONVERSATION WAS REALLY USING IT AS A DISCUSSION OF LIKE OFFSET THE COST OF BURDEN, NOT ABOUT PAYING SOMEONE.
RIGHT? THIS ISN'T, AND I, IT'S LIKE I HATE TO HAVE TO SWING LANGUAGE FOR COMFORT, BUT THIS ISN'T TO PAY SOMEONE TO LIVE.
WE WE'RE PRETTY CLEAR ON THAT THIS IS AN OFFSET OF BURDEN AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT BURDEN, WELL THEN THE CHOICES IS THERE.
AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE OUR COM COMMITTEE NAME IS ALMOST LIKE INCORRECT WITH OUR END FINDING WOULD BE ABOUT OFFSETTING THE BURDEN OF SERVICE RATHER THAN
SEAN, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO, 'CAUSE I, I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE THE RESULT HERE.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO BREAK DOWN THOSE IN A LIKE TWO OR THREE, MAYBE FOUR DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF EACH OF THOSE AREAS THAT WE REVIEWED AND WE WOULD GO, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF TPT AND HERE'S A FEW THAT MEANT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD THAT, DIDN'T YOU? YEAH, IT'S ALL HERE.
IT'S JUST, SO IF I COULD FOR, SO FOR, I WOULD TAKE POPULATION TPT AND, AND OPERATE BUDGET AND THEN SAY, OKAY, HERE WERE THE, THE RANGE OF CITIES THAT WERE KIND OF CLUSTERED AROUND US ON THOSE THREE MAJOR, UH, DIMENSIONS.
AND THEN FOR EACH OF THOSE THREE DIMENSIONS JUST HAVE A, A RANGE AND A MEDIAN, AN AVERAGE OF SALARY.
AND THEN, SO JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE WITH UNDERNEATH THAT WOULD BE A TABLE OF THE CITIES AND THE SALARIES.
AND SO THEY COULD GLANCE AT THAT IF ASKED AND HAVE THAT THE READY FOR QUESTION PERIOD.
AND UM, AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING LITTLE WEEDS AND ALL THAT.
SO LIKE A, A EXHIBIT THAT HAS EVERYTHING THAT HAS ALL OF THE SALARIES LIKE FROM THE LEAGUE OF CITIES.
WHAT THAT IS IS AN EXHIBIT TO IT AND THEN YOU DISSECT IT IN THESE AREAS SPECIFICALLY AND PULL THEM OUT AS GROUPED FOR THOSE PARTICULARS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH OUR NUMBERS.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE NUMERICAL SUPPORT.
WELL I CAN WORK WITH YOU ON THAT.
YEAH, I'LL, I'LL PRODUCE SOME ARTIFACTS AND POSTS EMAIL TO YOU.
SO THAT'S DESIGN OF A REPORT THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE ROBUST WITH A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND AND I CAN WORK TO GET THAT DRAFT.
THEN THERE'S A MATTER OF THE PRESENTATION.
DO WE PULL SOME OF THOSE ARTIFACTS INTO THE PRESENTATION OR JUST THE TALKING POINTS INTO A PRESENTATION? I THINK THE PUBLIC IS GONNA WANNA SEE THAT WE DID THE THOROUGH THING AND THE PICTURE.
SO WE NEED TO PUT SOME OF THOSE ARTIFACTS IN THERE AS WELL.
SIMPLE CHARTS LIKE THE TPT ONE, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S ONLY FOUR CITIES THAT ARE NEAR US AND THEN IT'S JUST THIS LONG TAIL OF, YOU KNOW, NOT MUCH TPT COLLECTION.
SO YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE CITIES.
AND WE GO TO NOT GOOD SALARY, NOT A BIG POPULATION.
SO IT DOESN'T COME NEAR US ON THE, WE'RE HALF OR HALF OUR POPULATION.
SO THERE'S OTHER REASONS IT'S EXCLUDED AS A COMPARABLE.
SO YOU DO THAT FEATURE THESE AND SAY EACH TIME IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THE ONES THAT WERE CLOSE TO US ON THIS DIMENSION TOTALLY WEREN'T CLOSE TO US ON THESE OTHERS.
AND SO IT'S NOT REALLY POSSIBLE TO TRIANGULATE ANYTHING.
SO YOU, WE WE'D CALL OUT THOSE IN THE PRESENTATION EXAMPLES OF WHY IT WAS DIFFICULT TO NOT JUST REGROUP.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S JUST LIKE AN EARLY BACKGROUND AND WE DON'T DWELL BECAUSE THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE DOCUMENT.
WE PROVIDE COUNSEL IN THE PACKET.
JUST GIVE A COUPLE OF QUICK DEMONSTRABLE STATEMENTS THAT WILL HELP FOCUS THE CONVERSATION TO THE, THE NORTH STAR CONVERSATION.
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WITH THAT IN THE PRESENTATION, WE CAN PULL SOME FROM THAT.HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THIS IS WHY WE HAVE A TURN LEFT.
'CAUSE THESE ARE SO FAR FROM BEING A DEMONSTRABLE EXAMPLE FOR ME THAT'S PRETTY, I MEAN I'M RELYING ON YOU TO HELP ME
AND THAT'S BACK TO SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD AND PULLING THOSE DETAILS OUT.
THE NEXT QUESTION THEN BECOMES, AS YOU GET TO THE END OF THAT REPORT WHERE YOU START TO SAY, OKAY WITH THAT, NOW THE NORTH STAR CONVERSATION IS WHAT ARE WE AT THAT POINT? IS THAT, I MEAN, I'M OKAY 'CAUSE I CAN WORK WITH YOU TO TRY TO ROBUSTLY CREATE SOME DEMONSTRABLE DEFENSE FOR HOW WE GOT TO THE, THE FINAL DIRECTION.
IS THAT, AM I MOVING TOO QUICKLY? SORRY.
SO WITH THAT I, I REFERENCED ESSENTIALLY TWO DIFFERENT, AND YOU MENTIONED THIS KIND OF, DO WE SEPARATE THAT I DID EFFECTIVELY TALK ABOUT MONTHLY COMPENSATION DIFFERENT THAN THE DECISION ON POTENTIAL HEALTHCARE INSURANCE.
UM, AND THEN I, AND THIS WAS PART OF I THINK A CONVERSATION AT ONE POINT, AND IF I, IF I PUT THIS IN THERE MYSELF, I APOLOGIZE.
THE MULTI-YEAR KIND OF PHASE IN APPROACH WHERE THAT WOULD THEN LEAD TO PROBABLY SOMETHING CONSISTENT WHICH WOULD'VE EVOLVED TO NOT HAVING TO HAVE THIS GROUP EVER MEET AGAIN.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, LIKE HAVING SOMETHING IN THERE THAT'S FULL BASED OR SOMETHING THAT THEN JUST GENERATES AT LEAST SOME CONSISTENCY GOING FORWARD FOR WHATEVER PERIOD OF TIME.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A POLITICAL WHEEL EVERY TWO YEARS OR SOMETHING.
SO THOSE WERE THE THREE PLACES I BROKE IT DOWN IN THE RECOMMENDATION.
AND ARE WE MISSING A PIECE? OKAY.
WELL I'M GONNA NOW KIND OF TURN IT BACK TO YOU ALL AND GO.
NOW I NEED YOU TO JUST TALK THROUGH THOSE THEN.
AND I'LL JUST KEEP TRACK OF WHERE YOU GO AND THEN I'D LIKE SOME LEVEL OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WALK OUTTA HERE WITH THAT I CAN SYNTHESIZE IN A REBUTTAL BACK TO YOU IN THE NEXT MEETING.
WELL WITH ALSO DATA WE HAVE ON THE, WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS THAT GO INTO FINAL RECOMMENDATION FOR THE MAYOR PROGRAM AND THE CITY COUNCIL PROGRAM.
AND THEN WHEN WE SAY THAT WE GOT THERE TO SOME KIND OF BANKING, EVEN THOUGH WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE DATA AND REJECTED A LOT OF IT, STILL MOVE FORWARD AND CAME UP WITH THESE NUMBERS, UM, IF THIS IS THE WAY WE'RE GONNA PRESENT IT AND I WANNA KNOW WHAT THAT STATEMENT IS 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE, WHERE WE ENDED UP HERE.
SO WE UM, SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE HOURS PER WEEK, THE BASIS FOR MAJOR
AND SO WE CAME UP WITH 52 WEEKS A YEAR, A RANGE OF 20 TO 40 HOURS A WEEK.
BUT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT THE THRESHOLD FOR HEALTHCARE ING.
SO IT WASN'T ABOUT THE ACTUAL WORK, IT'S ABOUT THE CONNECTION BACK THAT HOPEFULLY JUSTIFIES BOTH.
SO 30 WOULD BE THE MINIMUM FOR THAT SCENARIO.
AND THEN AT A MINIMUM WAGE OF $15 AND 65 CENTS AN HOUR, WHICH I JUST UPDATED BASED.
UM, WE LAND AT A YEARLY SALARY OF, UH, AT A MINIMUM WAGE RATE WOULD BE 24,414.
SO IF YOU JUST HAVE THAT BE YOUR ANCHOR AND SAY WE DON'T WANT TO PAY LESS THAN MINIMUM WAGE.
NO, WE DON'T WANT GO WAGE SALARY.
WE DON'T WANT CAREER POLITICIANS REALLY.
UM, SO YOU'RE LOOKING DEFINITELY NORTH OF 24 AND THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT BELOW HERE.
CONVERSATION OF SHOULD THE MAYOR MAKE MORE OF THE COUNSELORS? HE WAS SORRY, I KNEW THAT I WASN'T EXPECTED.
SO, UH, COUNSELOR SALARIES OF 24,000, YOU KNOW, THAT'S YOUR KIND OF TABLE STAKES.
IS THAT ENOUGH TO DO THE NORTH STAR THING OF ATTRACTING YOUNGER PEOPLE? THIS YEAH.
OF, OF REDUCING BURDEN OF SERVICE, FINANCIAL BURDEN SERVICE.
UM, SO I, UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THIS ONE IS, DO WE HAVE IS LIKE LEGALLY HEALTHCARE SPEAKING, DO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE AT 30 HOURS TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE PLAN BECAUSE THEY'RE AN ACTUAL, LIKE IF THEY DON'T, WE DON'T TECHNICALLY SAY THEY'RE AT 30 HOURS.
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ELIGIBLE FOR IT? OR THEY COULD, IF WE DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT THE HOURS, ARE THEY STILL ELIGIBLE? SO WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT? WHAT HAPPENS IN THE, THE SIGNATURE THAT WE SIGN EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEW HEALTHCARE PLAN IS THAT'S WHEN THE CITY MANAGER SIGNS OFF ON WHATEVER IS THE ELIGIBILITY FACTORS.LIKE RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN'T BE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IN OUR PLAN, BUT IF WE ELECT THAT, THEN WE SIGN A NEW ONE EVERY YEAR THAT SAYS, OKAY, WE CAN ADD THAT.
SO TALKING TO OUR HEALTHCARE PEOPLE, WE WOULD JUST ADD THAT AS A WRITER TO IT AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
BY DEFINITION ELECTED OFFICIAL IS NOW ELIGIBLE TO BECOME A MEMBER OF THAT.
LIKE RIGHT NOW, IF A, IF ELECTED OFFICIAL WALKED UP TO ME AND SAID, I WORK 30 HOURS, I'M ELIGIBLE, THEY WOULDN'T BE BECAUSE THEY'RE EXCLUDED FROM THE PLAN.
WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT THEM INCLUDED IN THE PLAN.
SO THERE'S NO LEGAL ISSUE, IT'S JUST A TIMING ISSUE.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T NEED A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.
IT WOULD JUST, IT WOULD BE BY DEFINITION OF OUR HEALTHCARE AGREEMENT THAT WE SIGN EVERY YEAR.
AND I THINK WHAT WE TRIED TO DO LAST MEETING IS GET AWAY FROM THE HOURS A WEEK BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE ALL LEARNED IS EVERYBODY GIVES US A SLIGHT DIFFERENT MM-HMM
WHAT WE, WHY WE ENDED UP IN THAT REALM IS WE WANTED TO TIE IT TO MINIMUM WAGE AND TO TIE IT TO MINIMUM WAGE, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A MULTIPLIER.
SO I, I THINK THAT THE REASON WE WERE JUSTIFYING THE 30 MULTIPLIER WAS ABOUT HEALTHCARE.
IT'S NOT THAT THEY NEED TO WORK 30 HOURS, IT'S JUST LIKE GENERALLY IN THE CITY.
IT'S JUST, IT'S, WE'RE JUST CONNECTING NUMBERS TO MAKE IT WORK AND LESS ABOUT THE LITERAL.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO LIKE DO OUR BEST NOT TO TALK ABOUT THAT 30 HOURS.
BUT IT'S LIKE HOW DO WE FUND THE MULTIPLIER FOR THE HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, BECAUSE IF WE WANT TIE IT TO MINIMUM WAGE, WHICH WE KIND OF SAID WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA 'CAUSE THEN YOU CAN SET IT AND FORGET IT.
BUT IT DOES GIVE US A BASELINE.
WELL THERE MIGHT BE A CONSENSUS ON THE COUNCIL THAT IT'S 20 OR THAT IT'S 40.
YOU MIGHT LIKE, YOU MIGHT ASK HIM GOING IN, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE OKAY SO MUCH OF WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO PRESENT KIND OF IS BASED ON HOW YOU FEEL THIS JOB IS A CONSUMPTION OF YOUR LIFE FORCE.
AND AND THEN GO FROM THERE AND JUST HAVE 20, 30, 40 KIND OF QUICK SLIDES READY TO GO.
WELL THAT WOULD BE A VERY INTERESTING THING FOR THEM TO SAY IN PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY COULD USE IT AS A JUSTIFICATION OF THEIR WORK.
BUT IT WOULD HELP US FOR THEM TO INFLATE HOW MUCH THEY WORK.
IF YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANNA BE LIKE, LOOK C I'M GIVING 30 HOURS A WEEK MUCH HARD.
SAY THAT S WHY I KIND OF WANNA ASK HIM THAT UP FRONT SO WE CAN GO DOWN THIS ROAD.
WE HAVE A NORTH STAR IDEA, BUT THERE'S REALLY THREE DIFFERENT BUCKETS BASED ON YOUR LOW, MEDIUM, AND HIGH RANGE OF EFFORT THAT YOU THINK THIS JOB ENTAILS THAT'S GONNA MAKE ALL THE NUMBERS FALL OUT FROM THAT.
SO CAN WE GET CONSENSUS ON THAT FIRST? HOW WOULD EVEN TELL 'EM THAT FIRST PART JUST STRAIGHT UP ASKING IF YOU HAD TO ESTIMATE HOW MANY HOURS A WEEK YOU WORK OR THINKING ABOUT THIS WORK.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY BEFORE YOU EVEN GIVE 'EM BUCKETS? BECAUSE THEN THEY'LL NEGOTIATE.
WELL SHOULD WE ASK THEM LIKE NOW JUST EMAIL THEM AND HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, I WANT THEM TO SAY IT IN PUBLIC IN FRONT OF THE, I WANT THEM TO THINK OF IT AS ELECTION THOUGHT.
WELL THEY MIGHT RUN FROM THAT IDEA AND JUST BE VAGUE ANSWERS.
IF WE'RE DOING THIS, IT DEPENDS FISCALLY NOVEMBER.
THEN OUR NEW LEAVE US STARTED, THEY MAY SAY THEY HAVE A VERY GOOD OUT UP.
I INTERVIEWED TWO PEOPLE WHO GAVE ME THAT INFORMATION.
ONE WAS COUNSEL REMEMBER AND HE SAID MAYBE 20 HOURS A WEEK.
MOST OF THEM, MOST OF THE MORE SERVICE ORIENTED PEOPLE SAID 20 NO MATTER WHAT.
BUT I, I HAVE BEEN AROUND SOME OF THEM THAT NEVER STOPPED.
I'M NOT SURE THEY WOULD BE HONEST ABOUT IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LIKE WHAT THE, I TALKED TO ROB ADAMS. I MEAN HE IS DEFINITELY FULL TIME.
PETE, PETE HAS MOMENTS WHEN HE HAS BEEN FULL-TIME.
AND THAT'S THE THING, IT EBBS AND FLOWS, RIGHT? YEAH.
LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WOULD LOVE TO GET IT AWAY FROM THAT HOURLY.
IT'S HARD TO TAKE MINIMUM WAGE AWAY FROM AN AN HOURS FOR OUR MATH FOR JUSTIFICATION.
I FEEL LIKE TALKING ABOUT HOURS OF WORK IS A TREND.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO JUSTIFY THAT MULTIPLIER WITH IT.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU APPROACHED IT IN THAT CONTEXT, I THINK THEN YOU COULD USE IT.
AT SOME POINT WE HAD TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
IF WE, THAT GIVES THEM THE SLIDE BACK AND FORTH THAT THIS IS, WE DIDN'T WANT TO DISCOUNT THE SERVICE.
THERE'S SOME MONTHS AND WEEKS THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY WORKING X AND
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SOME MONTHS AND WEEKS YOU'RE PROBABLY WORKING Y.AND SO YOU CAN SLIDE THAT WHERE YOU THINK IT IS WE LANDED HERE BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD, THIS IS BETWEEN, RIGHT.
WHERE YOU COULD CONTEXTUALLY ALLOW THEM TO KNOW WHY YOU ENDED UP AT A CERTAIN NUMBER.
AND JUST ACKNOWLEDGING IT, I SUPPOSE.
ULTIMATELY BECAUSE YOU AND ALSO MAKING OUT OF THIN AIR.
THIS IS INSTEAD OF THAT AND MAKING SURE THEY KNOW, THE REASON WE END UP HERE IS SO YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN.
LIKE THIS IS, SO IF IT WORKS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT EVERY YEAR IT'S ALIGNED WITH MINIMUM WAGE, WHICH WILL BE ADJUSTED APPROPRIATELY.
SO LIKE THIS ISN'T A, THIS IS A, A FORMULA TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU GUYS WANT THIS, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT COMES BACK BEFORE YOU EVERY YEAR OR HAS TO HAVE A COMMISSION EVERY ELECTION CYCLE OR WHATEVER.
I FEEL LIKE THE HOURS ARE GONNA SET THEM UP IN FLAMES.
MAYBE WE CAN MAYBE GENTLE ENOUGH THAT, WELL AND, AND I THINK AS LONG AS CLEAR WE'RE, IF WE CAN PULL IT TOWARDS WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THIS IDEA AT SOME POINT OF SOMETHING WE HAD THAT WILL THEN ALLOW US TO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT AGAIN.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU DO THE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD JUST SAY WELL MINIMUM WAGE AND WE THREW $20,000 OUT THERE.
WELL EVERYBODY COULD BACK INTO A A, A NUMBER OF HOURS EVEN AT THAT RATE.
IT'S JUST WHATEVER THAT, IF THAT'S THE BASIS, THE LARGER PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS THE MINIMUM WAGE AS A BASIS.
FOR NOT HAVING TO TOUCH IT AGAIN.
THEN AT THAT POINT THEN WE TOOK THAT AND WENT THROUGH CONVERSATIONS AND DIFFERENT THINGS AND FELT LIKE TO NOT BE DISRESPECTFUL, WE LANDED AT X HOUR 25.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU GUYS END UP WITH.
THE POINT IS IF YOU FOCUS ON THE Y OR USING THAT AS A TOOL TO PULL IT ALONG, THEN AT THAT POINT IT'S NOT ABOUT THE HOURS AND CALLING ANYBODY OUT, IT'S ABOUT TRYING TO FIND A BASIS TO START WITH.
SO I CAN WORK THAT INTO THAT METHODOLOGY AND THEN ULTIMATELY HOW THAT GETS APPROACHED LEGALLY IN THE ORDINANCE FOR EXAMPLE.
THAT IT GETS PUT INTO THE ORDINANCE IN A WAY THAT SUPPORTS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TELLING ME.
SO, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA END UP ULTIMATELY IS, IS WHATEVER THEY CAN PASS FOR THAT FUTURE.
I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN YOU START KIND OF PUT A NUMBER ON IT, LIKE 20 IS THE NUMBER WE'VE HEARD IS BASICALLY THE BARE MINIMUM AND FEEL LIKE THE MOST ACCEPTABLE NUMBER IS WHATEVER 20 HOURS A WEEK IS AND JUST SAY AND AND AND ADDRESS IT DURING THE, THE PRESENTATION OF LIKE, IT'S CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME COUNSELORS HISTORICALLY HAVE WORKED A LOT MORE HOURS AND A LOT LESS, BUT THROUGH ALL OF OUR FEEDBACK WE GOT THAT AT LEAST 20 WAS ALWAYS THE BARE MINIMUM.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WORKS OUT TO LIKE 18 OR SOMETHING.
YOU REMEMBER I JUST IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN TYING THAT TO INFLATION AND IT'S STILL NOT THAT MUCH MONEY BUT IT'S STILL OVER DOUBLING.
BUT IT'S, IT'S AGAIN, LIKE IN THE LAST CONVERSATION WE HAD, WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT ASKING FOR THE BEAR, UH, LET'S I SUPPORT.
YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IN YOUR MIND YOU WOULD SAY, OKAY, THE REST OF PUBLIC SERVICE, AT LEAST I HAVE THIS TO GET MY TECHNOLOGY AND DO THE IT BY MY HEALTHCARE.
AND WELL THAT'S, LET ME INFORM YOU A LITTLE BIT.
MAYBE THAT'LL HELP YOU WITH THAT 20 PLUS SCENARIO WHERE, SO YOUR COBRA RATES, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY THE COST, SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT, AND THEY'RE ALL DOWN THE SCALE, RIGHT? BUT THE MOST INEXPENSIVE PLAN ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS WITH BOTH VISION AND DENTAL IS ABOUT SIX 50 A MONTH.
LIKE THAT'S THE CHEAPEST VERSION OF IT.
BUT IT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO INDIVIDUAL AND FAMILY OF ABOUT 3000 A MONTH.
SO THAT'S THE LIKE COPAY AND THE HIGH END FOR A FULL FAMILY.
SO THAT'S THE WHOLE SCALABILITY OF 20 PLUS.
IF YOU TOOK THAT SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF 603,000, THEN YOU'RE TALKING ANOTHER 1500, 1200, SOMETHING LIKE THAT A MONTH.
THAT IS POTENTIAL CITY SUPPORT.
IF YOU TAKE WHAT THE CITY DOES WITH THE STAFF, THAT'S AT LEAST THERE.
AND THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE HSA, WHICH IS ANOTHER TWO TO $4,000 ANNUALLY.
BUT POINT BEING, IF YOU TOOK ANOTHER THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH, JUST EASY REFERENCE, YOU'RE ADDING ANOTHER 12 ONTO 18 AND YOU'RE AT 30 NOW I'LL JUST, SO FOR FOR SAKE OF DISCUSSION IN THAT CONVERSATION
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WITH LAURA, SHE'S LIKE, THAT SEEMED A LITTLE HIGH, BUT IN TOTAL I UNDERSTAND THAT 'CAUSE SHE WAS LOOKING AT 20.SO THIS IS THE RANGE THAT SHE, AND I'LL USE HER AS THE STRAWMAN ARGUMENT THAT WAY YOU GUYS CAN WORK AROUND THAT.
THAT SHE FELT LIKE WAS JUSTIFIABLE AND WASN'T OUTLANDISH AND WAS POTENTIALLY ACCEPTABLE FOR THOSE THAT THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING THERE TO DO THAT.
SO IF YOU HAVE ACTUAL COMPENSATION OF WAGES AND SOME ABILITY TO GET HEALTHCARE IN THAT RANGE IS WHAT IT WOULD COST ANNUALLY FOR THOSE BENEFIT AND WAGE BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
SO THAT BEING SAID, CARE PART, YEAH.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON MEDICARE.
UNLESS WE GET A BIG CHANGE OVER IN THE COUNCIL SO THEY WON'T EVEN TAKE THIS.
IT WON'T BE A VALUE FOR SO SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS MAYBE WE GIVE THEM THE 18 BUT THEN WE OFFER TO PAY THEIR HEALTHCARE UP TO A CERTAIN POINT PAY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
WELL MAYBE OR A STIPEND, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO YOU JUST SAY, HEY THERE'S AN AVAILABLE STIPEND THEY CAN PICK FROM WHATEVER THE HECK THEY WANT.
BUT HAS ONE BEEN ON THE MARKETPLACE? YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIKE TWO OPTIONS AND THEY GILLION DOLLARS.
I AS A PERSON WHO ISN'T ON MEDICARE, I WOULD LAUGH AT THAT.
I WOULD WANT ACCESS TO THEIR HEALTHCARE.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.
BUT I THOUGHT THE CITY WAS GONNA GET US SOME KIND OF BETTER.
I MEAN USUALLY WHEN WE GET INSURANCE FROM A BIGGER ENTITY YEAH, IT BRINGS THAT COST.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE.
WE HAVE, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, ROUGHLY 25,000 PEOPLE LEVERAGE IN THE MARKETPLACE.
WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT MORE THAN THE 180 STAFF.
RIGHT? OR ONE 90 GIVEN A FULL-TIME STAFF.
SO WE HAVE THE LEVERAGE OF 25,000 AND IT'S OUR GROUP THAT WE'RE A PART OF IS MOSTLY TEACHERS, BUT IT'S ALL OF THE PUBLIC SERVICE FOLKS IN THE VERDE VALLEY THAT ARE IN THIS GROUP AND SOME ACROSS THE STATE.
BUT THE LARGEST GROUPS WE'RE TALKING OUR TEACHERS IN THE VALLEY.
LIKE, SO THERE IS COMPETITIVE BALANCE THAT WE GET WITH THAT ARGUMENT.
ARE YOU THINKING OF STIPEND FOR THE PEOPLE ON MEDICARE IF THEY CAN'T ACCESS IT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OR JUST A STIPEND FOR HEALTHCARE GENERALLY FOR ALL.
FOR ANYBODY THAT'S NOT ON MEDICARE, I WOULD NEVER GIVE MY MEDICARE UP.
SO I MEAN I'M THINKING IF YOU CAN'T HAVE MEDICARE THEN PERHAPS WE LOOK AT A STIPEND INSTEAD OF SET OF THRESHOLD ON IT BECAUSE LET'S STILL BE HONEST, THIS PERSON HAS TO HAVE ANOTHER JOB.
THEY CAN'T TAKE THIS AND NOT WORKS.
SO WORK ELSE WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY, ESPECIALLY A JOB, COULD BE A JOB THAT DOESN'T OFFER US.
YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF JOBS THAT DON'T HAVE HELP.
AND I'M TELLING YOU, IF YOU WANT TO GO BUY HEALTHCARE FROM THE MARKETPLACE, IT WILL TAKE MORE THAN THE MONEY HERE.
THE STATE WOULD'VE TO BE SO HUGE TO INCENTIVIZE SOMEONE TO BUY HEALTHCARE FROM THE MARKETPLACE.
IT ALMOST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULDN'T WANNA JUST GIVE THEM ACCESS TO THE GOOD YOU HEALTHCARE WITHIN THE CITY.
THAT ALREADY STIPEND ASIDE, IT WOULD JUST BE AN ACCESS.
DECISIONS I CAN MAKE, THEY WOULD MAKE.
AND IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER ON THE PERSON BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE OPTIONS OF HEALTHCARE WITHIN THE THE CITY FOR WHAT YOU, WHAT IT WORKS BEST FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT HOW IF FOR SOME REASON THE HEALTHCARE YOU NEED THE COSTS MORE THAN YOU PAID, HE HAS HAS A WAY TO CHARGE YOU FOR IT.
I THINK A STIPEND WOULD BE LESS ENCOURAGING THAN THE HEALTHCARE AND IN MY PERSON IT ALMOST JUST LOOKS LIKE COMPENSATION.
BUT WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT I WAS THINKING THEY WOULD ONLY USE CITY HEALTHCARE.
UM, I WORKED IN A CORPORATION, I KNOW THE BENEFITS OF THE BIG GROUP.
YOU KNOW, UM, SO THEN WE DON'T NEED A SITE THEN BECAUSE EVERYBODY EITHER USES THE CITY OR THEY USE SOMETHING ELSE.
THE CITY WOULD INSTEAD OF COMPENSATE THEM, THEY WOULD JUST ENROLL.
THE CITY WOULD PAY THOSE COSTS.
WHATEVER THEY ARE IN THAT RANGE.
YOU HEARD ME, RIGHT? SO IF THEY PICKED UP A FAMILY THING, IT COULD BE MORE COSTLY THAN ANOTHER AND THE ARGUMENT WOULD BE, WELL THEN AT THAT POINT THAT'S 'CAUSE THEY NEEDED THAT FOR, AND THAT WOULD GO BACK TO THE NORTH STAR CONVERSATION.
LIKE THEY USED THEIR OWN COMPENSATION TO PAY FOR THEIR FAMILY'S HEALTHCARE DURING THAT TIME, WHICH THEN GENERATED THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME THAT THAT'S THE POINT.
SO THERE'S A WAY FOR YOU GUYS TO TIE THAT INTO YOUR ARGUMENT, I THINK, AND I THINK FROM A FAIR, LIKE IF WE, IF I COULD GIVE MY HOPES AND DREAMS TO THIS COMMISSION, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE I HOPE THAT WE CAN FIND A NUMBER THAT PAYS THAT INCENTIVIZED, BUT AT THE VERY MINIMUM, IF WE GET NOTHING ELSE, I REALLY HOPE ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE HAPPENS.
I THINK THAT COULD ADD TO PEOPLE NOT THE BREADTH THAT WE WANT, BUT LIKE I FEEL LIKE THAT IS THE VERY BARE, IF WE GET NOTHING ELSE, IF
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THEY FIGHT US ON IT AND WE DON'T WANT TO COMPENSATE AND ALL THOSE THINGS, I HOPE IF NOTHING ELSE THEY GET ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE.UM, BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A HUGE ISSUE, ESPECIALLY FOR FOLKS IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO AREN'T WORKING CORPORATE JOBS.
YOU KNOW, CAN WE GET A COST ESTIMATION OF ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS WE'RE ON IT, WHAT IT WOULD COST THE CITY? YEAH.
I WAS JUST, I WAS I FOLLOWING YOU THERE? SO YEAH, IT IS VERY PLAN DEPENDENT.
UM, SO ON THE THE MOST EXPENSIVE SIDE, UH, IF THEY PICK THE MOST EXPENSIVE ONE AGAIN, THEY'D HAVE TO PAY THEIR SHARE.
THE CITY PAYS JUST OVER $2,000 AND THE EMPLOYEE WOULD PAY ALMOST A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THAT BENEFIT.
RIGHT? SO YEAH, THAT'S A $3,000 MONTHLY COST, BUT THEY'RE PAYING ABOUT A THIRD OF THAT TOTAL.
THAT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE VERSION.
AND IF WE DID 20 HOURS, THAT WOULD LEAVE THEM ZERO MONEY LEFT BEHIND.
IT WOULD BE ALMOST EXACTLY IT.
15 FOR THE, AND AGAIN, EVERYTHING IS A SLIDING SCALE UNDER THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND I THINK, I THINK THAT'S
WHO ALREADY HAS A SPOUSE OR SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, BUT LIKE START WITH A HIGH NUMBER AND THEN BACKTRACK IT TOO.
REALISTICALLY, IT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM IF THEY ONLY EMPLOY OR WE ONLY EMPLOY THEM.
AND THE ONES THAT ARE MOST POPULAR WITH THE STAFF, FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S A 17 HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN.
THE CITY WOULD PAY ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH PLUS WE PUT LIKE THE 1700 IN HSA.
SO IT BASICALLY THEY PAY NOTHING AND THEY HAVE HSA THAT PAYS THAT DEDUCTIBLE BEGIN WITH RIGHT NOW THEY'D STILL HAVE MAYBE OUT OF POCKET OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT'S BASICALLY FREE.
IT'S A NICE PLAN OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT? THAT ONE ESSENTIALLY IS, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH, RIGHT? AND THAT'S THE MOST POPULAR PLAN, BUT THE COST PER THE C INCLUDING WITH AN HSA CONTRIBUTION.
SO THAT I WOULD ARGUE BACK TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID, IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO GET THAT FOR THEMSELVES.
THAT'S WHAT YOUR MORE COMMON IS GONNA BE.
AND THEN AGAIN, THAT SCALABILITY FROM THAT THOUSAND A MONTH TO 3000 A MONTH, WHICH THEY PAID A THOUSAND OF THAT.
SO IT'S A THOUSAND TO 2000 EFFECTIVELY FROM A CITY COST STANDPOINT, THAT IS THE VARIABLE.
IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A GAP FOR, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 20 OR 18,000 PLUS IT'S SIGNIFICANT.
IT'S MAYBE MORE THAN WHAT THEY GET COMPENSATED IN CASH.
BUT IF YOU'RE BACK TO THIS, THIS IS WHAT WAS DRIVING DECISIONS, THEN IT'S JUST LIKE YOU SAID, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HERE IS TO ATTEMPT TO GET THAT DONE.
BUT I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU MATH SO THAT YOU CAN HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS.
I I'M GIVING YOU ROUND NUMBERS.
THE REASON WE COULD HYPOTHETICALLY LIMIT THEIR ACCOUNT REALLY, IF THEY WERE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT $2,000 PLAN, WE COULD NOT PUT THAT IN THE GROUP.
YOU KNOW, LIKE I, I DON'T WANT TO BE, BUT LIKE SAY THAT ENDS UP BEING THE CONVERSATION AND THEY'RE LIKE, THAT'S JUST TOO MUCH.
THEN WE JUST SAY LIKE, WELL OKAY, LET ME TAKE THAT ONE PLAN OFF THE TABLE.
RIGHT? LIKE THEY STILL GET ACCESS TO THE, I MEAN A HIGH DEDUCTIBLE FEE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY YOUR DEDUCTIBLES A PRETTY INCREDIBLE PLAN.
AND IRONY IS THAT IT DOESN'T COST THE CITY THAT MUCH COMPARATIVE TO SOME OF THE OTHER EXPENSIVE PLANS THAT ARE THERE.
THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT A BAD INCENTIVE FOR US BECAUSE IT ENDS UP COSTING THE CITY ARGUABLY LESS THAN MANY OF THE OTHER OPTIONS WHEN YOU, WHEN I CAN SAY IT THAT WAY IN, IN A RECRUITMENT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, ALL THE OTHER STUFF MAY GET A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT THEY'RE LIKE, OH, OKAY.
'CAUSE WHEREVER THEY WERE COMING FROM, THAT WASN'T THE CASE.
SO IT IS A AND AND I SAY THAT COMPARABLE TO THIS, IT IS AN INCENTIVE FOR SOME PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S I THINK PART OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE WRESTLING WITH.
SO, WELL, SO ARE WE, ARE WE IN AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE FROM THE MINIMUM WAGE KNOW WE MAKE UP HERE 20 HOURS? I THINK WE PRESENT THEM ALL OR DO YOU VOTE ON IT OR? I THINK WE PRESENT THEM ALL AND LET THEM MAKE THE CHOICE.
I I THINK WE SHOULD START HIGH AND LET THEM NEGOTIATE A SLOWER.
IS THAT HOW THAT WILL WORK? WELL, IT IS, IT'S
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YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATION, YOUR YOUR, UH, DEAL.SO THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT THAT LAST PAGE, LET ME SEE IF I, IF I JUST ENCAPSULATED WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS THIS IDEA OF, WE WOULD SAY HERE IS THE RANGE BASED ON THE MINIMUM WAGE BEING THE BASIS FOR IT.
THAT WOULD MEAN THAT OUR RANGES FOR COMPENSATION FOR A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER ARE EIGHT 15 TO 30.
THAT, OKAY, WHATEVER, 18 TO 30 OR WHATEVER IT ENDS UP BEING 15, HERE'S OUR RANGE, HERE'S OUR RECOMMENDATION, WE THINK IT'S X AND THAT'S MAYBE THAT'S THE NEXT MEETING.
AND THEN MAYOR, WE WANTED TO ADD X PERCENTAGE TO THAT, RIGHT? WE WERE TALKING TO SOME LEVEL OF THAT RIGHT? LAST TIME.
I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO JUMP INTO THAT CONVERSATION.
IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU HAVE THE STOMACH PORT RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT IS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT.
RIGHT? BUT THEN THE, THE HEALTHCARE, SAME KIND OF COM COMMENT AS COST TO THE CITY, RIGHT? THIS IS JUST COST TO THE CITY IS THIS RANGE AND COST TO THE INDIVIDUAL MIGHT BE THAT RANGE.
SO WE ISOLATE THEM, UM, WITH INFORMATION AND THEN YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THAT FULL SCALE THAT YOU'RE NOT MAKING A CALL FOR THEM UNLESS THERE IS SOMEBODY THAT SAYS, HEY, YOU KNOW, THAT END OF THE SCALE'S TOO MUCH AND THEY WOULD PUSH BACK ONE OF THE SCALE OR SO.
WELL I GUESS IT'S A DECISION THAT IF THEY ALL VOTE ON IT, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WE, THE PURE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE JUST ACCESS TO IT.
WE WOULD SHOW THAT THE SEPARATION OR THE, THE RANGE IN COST, BUT NOT NECESSARILY DO ANYTHING BUT SAY ACCESS TO.
AND I I'M OF THE OPINION THAT UNTIL THEY ASK ABOUT COSTS FOR THE HEALTHCARE THAT WE DON'T GIVE THEM TO THEM.
UH, I DON'T, I THINK THAT ALL OF THOSE NUMBERS ALL AT ONCE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE A LOT REALLY FAST.
AND SO I FEEL LIKE HEALTHCARE IS JUST A BUCKET OF LIKE ACCESS TO CITY HEALTHCARE AT THE END.
OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE THE NUMBER FOR WHEN THEY, AND IF THEY ASK, BUT I'M
I'M SORRY THAT I FEEL LIKE I HAVE, I'M BRINGING THE STRATEGIC MAJOR BECAUSE ALL IT TAKES IS THEM TO GET FIRED UP ABOUT ONE THING.
ONE TINY ITTY BITTY SOMETHING.
IT GOES OFF THE RAILS AND THEN WE MOVE IT.
LIKE I DON'T WANNA GIVE ACCIDENTALLY GIVE THEM THE LITTLE PIECES THAT ARE GONNA SEND THEM SHOOTING, BE MOVED WHEN THEY CAN ASK FOR IT AND HAVE IT.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO HEALTHCARE, AND MY GOAL PERSONALLY WITH IT, AND YOU GUYS CAN OBVIOUSLY DISAGREE, IT'S LIKE IT'S JUST HEALTHCARE.
AND IF THEY ASK HOW MUCH IS GONNA COST, WE'LL TELL THEM IF IT'S SIMPLE, BUT IT IS JUST HEALTHCARE AND THEN COMPENSATION IS COMPENSATION AND WE KEEP THOSE IN THAT LIKE YEAH, LET'S RUN ALL THE NUMBERS OF COMPENSATION.
I'M OF THE OPINION WE GIVE 20 TO 30 HOUR NUMBER FOR WAGE AND RECOMMEND 30 KNOWING THAT LIKELY THEY'RE GONNA PUSH US TO 20.
BUT I THINK IF WE START WHERE WE THINK THEY'LL END UP, WELL WE MAY END UP WITH NOTHING.
WELL, IT'S A VERY STRATEGIC THING TO PRESENT SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO COUNCIL AND KEEP EVERYBODY'S EMOTIONS AS CHILL AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE.
BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S HOW YOU GET THESE THINGS THROUGH IS YOU MAKE THEM NOT GET DEFENSIVE.
SO THE UH, 28 HOURS, 16 TWO, THE 30 HOURS IS 24 4 AND THE 40 HOURS IS 32 5.
AND IF YOU SAY, OKAY, WHAT IF WE SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 20 AND 30 AND YOU GO 25, THAT'S YOUR 20,000.
SO I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE NEGOTIABLE HAPPEN THERE, BUT I'M HOPING THEY PICKING THAT NUMBERS AROUND HEALTHCARE STAY UNWRITTEN LAST.
WELL, WE PUT TO THE BENEFIT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT IN A NEGOTIATION, RIGHT? LIKE WHEN YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A BENEFIT, LIKE WE WANT YEAH, YOU WANT KEEP NUMBERS TO THE
IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT SOME PEOPLE WOULD, MIGHT BE EVEN SURPRISED IF THEY DON'T ALREADY.
BUT WHEN OUR LAST MEETING PETE WAS HERE, HE WANTED TO DO A ALL UP COST CALCULATION.
SO WE DID A LITTLE BOX THAT SAID, OKAY, THE
UM, AND THEN YOU HAD SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS, THEN THE HEALTHCARE COST WAS COMPUTED AT $60,000 CLAIMS FOR THE SIX, UM, 70,000 FOR THE SIX PLUS THE MAYOR.
UM, THEN YOU HAD A TOTAL COST OF AT A A MERE SALARY OF 26 8 AND A COUNCIL AT 24, YOU HAVE TOTAL COST OF 243,000.
SO THEY'RE GONNA DIE IN HEALTHCARE, RIGHT? NO, THAT'S WITH THE 70,000 HEALTHCARE, THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN, LIKE
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SOME OF THEM ARE ALREADY AT MEDICARE.BUT, UM, POINT BEING, YOU KNOW, PETE ASKED ABOUT IN THE LAST MEETING, THEY'RE GONNA WANT THOSE.
I THINK IT'S WORTH HAVING, BUT I AGAIN DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PUT THEM IN THE PRESENTATION.
WE CAN HAVE THEM FOR THEM IF ASKED IF YOU PRESENTED IT IN A WAY WHERE YOU HERE'S COMPENSATION.
AND HERE'S ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE.
SO WE HAD COMPENSATION, WHICH WAS OUR DRIVE, BUT WE THINK THIS IS THE, THE MEAT OF WHAT YOU ASKED US TO DO IS IN THIS ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE.
WELL WHAT DOES THAT OKAY, WELL YEAH.
SO I, THE REASON I'M BEING SO CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE SAY AND WHAT WE WRITE DOWN, THE ONE I'VE SAT THROUGH A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS, BUT TWO, LIKE I THINK ABOUT, I WAS SAT SITTING THROUGH A BUILDING CODE CHANGE YEARS AGO.
THIS IS WHEN I FIRST STARTED ATTENDING.
AND I STOOD UP AND ADVOCATED FOR SINGLE STALL GENDER NEUTRAL BATHROOMS. SO SINGLE STALL YEAH.
GENDER NEUTRAL BATHROOMS, WHICH IS CURRENTLY AGAINST COKE AT THE TIME.
AND YOU WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT I SUGGESTED COMMUNISM.
I MEAN THEY HAD AN HOUR DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THIS WAS LIKE ABOUT TRANS PEOPLE, ABOUT LIKE WOMEN BEING AFRAID IN MEN'S BATHROOMS. AND I WAS LIKE, I WOULD LIKE MY SINGLE STALL BATHROOMS AT MY RESTAURANT TO BE GENDER NEUTRAL.
THAT WAS MY ENTIRE, BUT SO THAT'S LIKE, I JUST WANNA BE CAREFUL 'CAUSE SOMETHING IS SIMPLE AS PLEASE LET ME DECREASE THE LINE TO THE WOMEN'S BATHROOM TURNED INTO THIS LIKE THING, RIGHT? AND THEN IT WAS VERY LIKE POSTURING AND THEN IT BECAME VERY POLITICAL AND THEN PEOPLE WERE LIKE PUTTING THEMSELVES IN POSITIONS TO LIKE ARGUE OTHER THINGS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THERE'S LIKE THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF INFORMATION TO GIVE HEALTHCARE THING IS AN EASY YES.
WHICH IS WHY I JUST DON'T WANNA EASY VOTE.
BUT THEN I HAVEN'T SAID THROUGH A MYRIAD COUNCIL YET.
SO I THAT, AND THAT'S WHY I'M BEING KIND OF NITPICKY ABOUT WHAT, AND DON'T BE WRONG.
LIKE WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE DATA TO BACK UP WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
WE HAVE THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REPORT AND, AND THEY MAY BE WATCHING THIS MEETING SO THEY, THEY'LL ALSO HAVE THE ANSWERS IF THEY'RE WATCHING THIS, IF THEY WANNA WATCH THIS MEETING.
BUT THAT'S WHY I'M BEING SO SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THIS REPORT.
I THINK HEALTHCARE CAN BE ITS PILE AND WE CAN HAVE THE TOTAL COST.
AND IF PETE DISAGREES WITH ME, THAT'S FINE.
LIKE I WELL THAT'S WHAT THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO YOU YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIND, FIND A DIFFERENT SOLUTION THAN MAYBE YOU'RE SUGGESTING TODAY IF THAT BECOMES PART OF THE GROUP'S CONVERSATION.
I WONDER TOO IF WE NEED TO, UM, IT IS GONNA BE REALLY DIFFERENT CALL.
WE JUST SAID WE'D GIVE 'EM A RANGE OF, OF UH, HOURS THAT, THAT AND FOLLOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE, THE PAY THAT RELATES TO IT.
AND UM, I I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I COULD SUPPORT THE PAY FOR $30.
I DON'T, IT'S IN MY MIND IT'S TOO MUCH MONEY EVEN IF WE SNEAK UP ON IT BY THE ONLY YEAR ONE THIS.
AND SO I WANNA BE CAREFUL THAT WE RECOMMEND SOMETHING THAT I'M GETTING TO, THAT WE TELL 'EM ABOUT IT AND LET THEM MAKE THE CHOICE FINE.
YOU CAN DISAGREE WITH ME OR WE CAN TAKE A VOTE AND I CAN GET LOSE THE VOTE AND WE GO WITH THE THIRD.
WHAT ABOUT 30 FEELS LIKE TOO MUCH? UH, THE 32,500.
THE, THE 40 HOURS A WEEK WOULD BE 32 5.
SO THE 30 IS, UH, 30 HOURS IS 24, 24, WHATEVER.
I DO KNOW THAT'S WHERE OUR STATE REPS ARE PAID.
I MEAN I JUST, I JUST THINK WE'RE A LITTLE BIT IN THE CLOUDS ON THAT NUMBER.
THAT'S A, THAT'S AN INTERESTING CONNECTION POINT.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE STATE REPS ARE PAID.
THAT'S THERE IS YOUR IT'S AN INTERESTING COMPARABLE, IT'S AN EXACT, ALMOST EXACT COMPARABLE IT'S, ALTHOUGH IT'S THEY THERE FULL TIME.
BUT THEY'RE ALSO ON THAT SESSION YEAR AROUND THAT'S TRUE.
I THINK THEY'RE ONLY LIKE FOR LIKE FOUR MONTHS OUTTA THE YEAR.
LET ME JUST SAY IT THAT WAY REALISTICALLY.
AND, AND WHAT MAKES THAT NUMBER EASY FOR ME IS I KNOW IF I DID 20 HOURS A WEEK AS A COUNSELOR, IT WOULD COST ME MORE THAN $24,000 A YEAR TO COVER MY WORK AT WORK MORE EASILY.
AND THAT'S NOT PAYING PEOPLE EXORBITANT AMOUNTS OF MONEY THAT'S PAYING MY NORMAL WAGES FOR THE HOURS I WOULD MISS, UM, BECAUSE I'M PAYING MORE THAN MINIMUM WAGE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S HOW THAT NUMBER WORKS.
IT'S LIKE MY EMPLOYEES ARE PAID MORE THAN MINIMUM WAGE.
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IF I PAY THEM TO DO THE JOBS THAT I'M MISSING, IT'S EASILY MORE THAN THAT.SO TO ME THAT 30 IS AN EASY JUSTIFICATION.
I WOULD STILL, THAT'S WHERE I'M ALWAYS COMING BACK TO IS LIKE IF I WANT SOMEONE LIKE ME TO RUN I YOUNG BUSINESS OWNER FROM HERE, RIGHT? I'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO IT IN THE PAST, I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY NO.
IF THAT'S WHAT I WANT, THEN THAT IS NOT EVEN COVERING MY BEST.
THAT'S STILL NOT GONNA SACRIFICE HEALTHCARE'S A LOT CHEAPER THAN MINE.
YOU'RE THE COST OF THE CITY COMPARED TO THE COST THAT I'M PAYING FOR MY EMPLOYEES IS WILDLY DIFFERENT FOR A MUCH LESS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO LIKE, ARE WE TARGETING BUSINESS OWNERS? NO, BUT THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT? LIKE MY PERSPECTIVE IN THE JUSTIFICATION IS MY WORLD, RIGHT? I THINK THAT BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY IN THEIR SCHEDULE AND SO YOU HAVE A LITTLE PIECE THERE THAT ALLOWS THE POTENTIAL.
AND WE DO HAVE BUSINESS OWNERS ON COUNCIL NOW.
BRIAN JEAN, DEREK, DEREK WORKS FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
IT'S NOT HIS PRACTICE, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK SO.
SO BRIAN AND JEAN BOTH HAVE THEIR OWN BUSINESSES.
THERE'S JUST LIKE A FLEXIBILITY WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE A THREE O'CLOCK TUESDAY MEETING THAT WILL ALWAYS BE, WE TALKED ABOUT, WE USED TO TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME.
IF IT NEVER COME TO A CONSENSUS ON THE PERFECT MEETING TIME WAS, BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT, WHAT KIND OF JOBS DO THEY HAVE TO WORK TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY? I THINK BUSINESS OWNERS IS GOING TO BE THE EASIEST ONE.
I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED THAT WE COULD MEET DURING THE DAY.
OR A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE IN MY TIME.
WELL, THAT BRINGS ME TO THAT NEXT AGENDA.
SO I WILL, I WILL REDRAFT POSE.
I DON'T THINK IN, IN HERE, I DON'T WANT PUT SEAN ON HIS SPOT THAT WE COULDN'T THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS BE ABLE TO GET TOGETHER AND PUT IT IN A FADED DRAFT TOGETHER.
WHAT WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, IN THE FIRST PART OF OCTOBER MAYBE TO GET BACK TOGETHER? IS THERE A DATE IN MIND? I MEAN, WE'RE DOING, WE DID MONDAYS.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S THE BEST ANSWER, BUT AS LONG AS IT'S BEFORE SCHOOL PICKUP, I CAN GO AND THAT IS 10.
WHAT'S THE, WHEN THE NEW COUNCIL GIFTS FOR YOU? NOVEMBER, YOU THINK LIKE TWO WEEKS? OR ARE YOU THINKING LIKE, WELL, YEAH, I JUST THINK THAT IF I COULD GET SOMETHING OUT IN TWO WEEKS, THEN YOU'D WANT A WEEK OR SO TO KIND OF LOOK AT IT.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T GIVE IT OUT SOONER THAN THAT.
SO LIKE TIME MID UNTIL LATE NOVEMBER OR OCTOBER? OCTOBER, MID, MID-OCTOBER.
I AM OUT OF TOWN, NOT THAT
I HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN FIVE YEARS.
I'M ALSO, I'M LEAVING TO TOMORROW.
WELL IF, IF WE COULD DO IT MAYBE THAT FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER, THEN YEP.
SO IF I TRY TO TARGET THE FIFTH QUESTION ON THE SWEARING DATE IS THAT WE, IF WE NEEDED ONE MORE MEETING BEFORE THAT DATE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN OPTION TO DO THAT EARLY NOVEMBER.
I HAVE SOMETHING ON THE FIFTH AT 10TH.
UM, WE, WE DON'T NEED TO RU I ALMOST THINK WE DON'T NEED TO RUSH AND PUT THIS EARLY IN FRONT OF AN EARLY COUNCIL.
WELL, AND, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, JUNE YOU SAID THE 19TH.
I'M FLYING, SO, OKAY, WELL WHAT ABOUT THE 20TH? OH NO, THAT'S GOOD.
NOW WE GOT NOT ATTACHED TO A MEETING MONDAY IF IT DOESN'T BOTHER ANYBODY ELSE.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I GUESS WHEN IS THE DISCUSSION MADE THERE OR NOT? I HAVE TO LEAVE.
I SAID I WAS GONNA BE 15 MINUTES.
UM, DO WE WANNA TRY TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF THE OLD COUNSELOR VIDEO BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THE OLD MIGHT PUSH IT OFF.
AND I DON'T THINK WE WANNA PRESENT IT TO A BRAND FOR LIKE, HEY, IT'S YOUR SECOND MEETING EVER.
WELL, TO GET IN LOW, I'VE BEEN TOLD IT'S A 45 60 DAY KIND OF THING AND I HAVEN'T ASKED FOR THAT AGENDA DATE YET.
SO WE ARE INTO NOVEMBER PLUS MAYBE EVEN PUSHING INTO JANUARY RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, BECAUSE THEY TAKE HOLIDAY BREAKS.
SO IT, I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN ANY RUSH IN THAT SENSE.
I THINK SO IF, IF WE WANT TO TRY TO DO 20TH OR 21ST, MAYBE THIS PLACE IS TAKEN WITH A, WITH A HEALTHCARE MEETING.
WELL, I DON'T GET TO GO ANYWHERE, BUT IT'S RIGHT HERE IN THE BACKYARD.
WE LITERALLY MEET IN THIS ROOM.
SO IF THE 21ST SENTENCE GONE WEDNESDAY.
IS THAT WEDNESDAY MORNING? MAYBE WORKS FOR ME.
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SO I'LL TRY TO SCHEDULE THAT ROUGHLY ABOUT THE SAME TIME AS THIS WORK.
SO KIND OF EIGHT 30 TO 10 ISH ON THE 21ST.
WELL EVERYBODY, I HAVE EVERYTHING I NEED.
NEED ADAM READY TO CALL IT A DATE? CLOSE THERE.
OH, WE VOTE ON IT? NO, YOU JUST SAY IT AT 9 45.