Oct 13, 2026 City Council

OKAY, I GUESS WE ARE ONTO THE CONSENT ITEMS AND STAFF IS PULLING ITEMS THREE H, THREE I AND THREE K OFF OF THE CONSENT ITEMS. MAYOR, DID YOU WANNA DO THE MOMENT OF ART? FIRST SAYS, DO YOU WANNA DO THE MOMENT OF ART FIRST RIGHT AFTER NOW? I'M DO CONSENT FIRST.

THANK YOU MADAM CLERK, COULD YOU READ THE ROLE PLEASE? MAYOR PLU.

HERE, VICE MAYOR FOLTZ.

[3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE (Part 1 of 2)]

AND MAYOR, DO IS THERE, IS THERE A J THAT WE'RE PULLING OFF? I HAVE A NOTE THAT SAYS THREE HI AND K.

THREE HI AND J.

OKAY, SO THAT'S AN ERROR.

THREE.

H, I AND J.

MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

I'D LIKE TO, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE.

A, B, C, D, E, F, AND G.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

I HAVE TO DISDAIN FROM G.

AND UH, COUNSELOR FAFF IS RECUSING HIMSELF FROM ITEM THREE.

G, G, YEAH.

G AND H.

HG AND H.

G AND H.

LET'S DO OUR MOMENT OF ART.

WELL, H IS COMING UP LATER.

OKAY, SO WE'RE GOOD.

ALRIGHT,

[2. ROLL CALL/MOMENT OF ART]

I SEE SOME HALLOWEEN PEOPLE BACK THERE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS.

UM, HAPPY OCTOBER.

OCTOBER IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE MONTHS NATIONAL ARTS MONTH, AND I HAVE A SPECIAL, UH, MOMENT OF ART FOR THIS FOR TODAY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE, I'VE INVITED DANIELLE, UH, MCNEIL STRALA STRALA STRAY BALA.

WILL BE A 20 MINUTE THEATRICAL DANCE WORK PERFORMED ON NOVEMBER 1ST AT AKA P**I.

JUST LEARNED THAT.

UM, AND SHE IS THE ARTISTIC DIRECTOR AND FOUNDER OF SEDONA DANCE PROJECT, WHICH IS A LOCAL NONPROFIT, BRINGING THE PERFORMING ART OF DANCE MORE FULLY INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR ARTISTS TO COLLABORATE AND SHARE THEIR WORK.

AFTER MANY YEARS AS A DANCER AND TEACHER, DANIELLE HAS SEEN HOW DANCE CAN CONNECT PEOPLE, INVITE PARTICIPATION, AND HELP A COMMUNITY COME TOGETHER.

DANIELLE ALSO OWNS SEDONA DANCES WITH HER HUSBAND, BRANDON MCNEIL, A LOCAL BUSINESS THAT PROVIDES A FREE COMMUNITY BULLETIN BOARD HELPING PEOPLE DISCOVER DANCE EVENTS AND GET INVOLVED.

SEDONA DANCE PROJECT WAS GRATEFUL TO RECEIVE A CITY OF SEDONA GRANT THAT HELPED MAKE OCTOBER 4TH ONE DAY OF DANCE POSSIBLE.

THIS FREE SHOWCASE BROUGHT DANCERS TOGETHER WITH YOUNG AND OLD COMMUNITY MEMBERS SO THEY COULD SHARE THE EXPERIENCE OF DANCING AND PERFORMING TOGETHER.

THE HOPES ARE TO CONTINUE BUILDING OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THIS.

I KNOW WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT BRINGING COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND THIS GIRL WALKS THE WALKER, DANCES THE WALK.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, SO JUST A FEW QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BECAUSE THIS, THE DANCE IS GONNA BE SHORT SO I HAVE A LITTLE TIME THRILLER.

THE FLASH MOB IS BACK AND THAT WILL BE HOSTED BY SEDONA DANCE ACADEMY UPTOWN AT SUA PLAZA ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER 31ST, SIX TO EIGHT.

DIA DE LOS METOS IS A FREE PERFORMANCE AT TILAK ON NOVEMBER 1ST FROM TWO TO 2 45.

AND SEDONA DANCE ACADEMY'S NUTCRACKER WILL FEATURE SEDONA DANCE PROJECT GUEST ARTISTS ON SATURDAY, DECEMBER 19TH, TWO TO FOUR AT SPAC.

AND THERE'S MORE TO COME, BUT YOU'LL CAN STAY TUNED TO THEIR CALENDAR AND SEE MORE EVENTS FOR 2027.

SO FOR TODAY, JOINING DANIELLE ARE DANCERS.

AARON LUCY WILL WALKER, LORI WILSON AND ALTHEA JOHNSON.

EACH IS AN EXPERIENCED PERFORMER.

THEY COME FROM A WIDE RANGE OF BACKGROUNDS WITH DIVERSE DANCE TECHNIQUES.

SEDONA DANCE PROJECT IS GRATEFUL TO HAVE THEM SHARE THEIR ARTISTRY WITH THE COMMUNITY.

THE SHORT PERFORMANCE YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE IS AN EXCERPT FROM ONE MOVEMENT, WHICH

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AND THE FULL PIECE IS CHOREOGRAPHED BY DANIELLE, AND IT WILL INCLUDE 15 DANCERS ACCOMPANIED BY OPERA SINGER ABIGAIL FISHER.

THE STORY THAT UNFOLDS THROUGH DANCE IS INSPIRED BY THE TRADITIONS AND SYMBOLISM OF DIA D LAS METOS THROUGH DANCE, MUSIC AND IMAGERY.

THE VEIL BETWEEN WORLDS OPENS AS ANCESTORS RETURN, MEMORIES AWAKEN, AND THE LIVING AND DEPARTED MEET AGAIN.

THIS SCORE IS ENTITLED WHEN THE ANCESTORS RETURN.

PLEASE WELCOME DANIELLE, AARON WILL, LAURIE AND ALTHEA.

I JUST CAME BACK FROM SPAIN AND I DIDN'T SEE THESE SKELETONS ANYWHERE THERE.

, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OKAY, WE HAVE NO APPOINTMENTS TONIGHT.

[5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS ]

SO OUR NEXT ITEM WOULD BE SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR COUNCILS OR CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING, MELISSA? SO THIS IS A REMINDER FOR SOME OF YOU, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE HEARING ABOUT THIS, THAT SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 14TH FROM TWO TO FIVE.

THE FUN CONTINUES, UM, FROM THE GET LOUD EVENT AND THE GET LOUD EVENT, AS YOU KNOW, IS HELD HERE AT OUR, UM, LIBRARY.

AND AT FROM TWO TO FIVE THERE'S GONNA BE AN AFTER PARTY AND IT'S AT THE SEDONA BEER COMPANY.

SO ONE OF SEDONAS SIGNATURE CELEBRATIONS IS NOW BACK AND IT'S BETTER THAN EVER.

IT'S A FREE EVENT.

IT ATTRACTED MORE THAN 1500 PEOPLE FROM SEDONA, THE VILLAGE, AND THROUGHOUT THE VERDE VALLEY AT THE LAST ONE.

THIS SHEER PLAN ON ANOTHER FULL AFTERNOON OF FUN FOOD AND FESTIVITIES, BRING FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS, AND THE WHOLE FAMILY.

THIS YEAR'S LINEUP INCLUDES LIVE MUSIC WITH LOCAL FAVORITE BLUE AGAVE, AN EXTREME SLIDE OBSTACLE COURSE, BASEBALL SPEED, PITCH GAME, BUNGEE RUN AND JOUST BOUNCY HOUSE.

PLEASE DON'T BREAK IT.

ADULTS, UM, INFLATABLE MAZE FACE PAINTING, HAIR BRAIDING, ROASTING OUR SIGNATURE GIANT MARSHMALLOWS, MAGICIANS ON THE TROLLEY, POPCORN, COTTON CANDY BEVERAGES, FREE TACOS FROM NANA'S TACOS AND MORE.

THERE'LL BE FREE PARKING AT THE RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL WITH A TROLLEY RIDE EVERY FIVE TO 10 MINUTES WITH MAGICIANS ON BOARD.

THIS IS A COMMUNITY CELEBRATION AND FREE FOR ALL.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE ON SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 14TH.

ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, THIS SATURDAY WE HAVE PUMPKIN SPLASH FROM 10 TO NOON AT POSSE GROUNDS

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PARK, FOLLOWED BY PUMPKIN CARVING WITH WINNERS ANNOUNCED AT 4:00 PM SO EVERYBODY COME OUT AND HAVE SOME FUN.

EXCUSE ME.

[6. EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT]

UM, EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT.

MONIQUE, A MOTION WAS MADE FOR STAFF TO PROCEED AS DIRECTED DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UH, THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.

GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS.

AND NOW

[7. PUBLIC FORUM]

OUR PUBLIC FORUM.

I HAVE TWO CARDS IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA.

NOW IS THE TIME TO GET YOUR CARD IN.

FIRST CARD IS TIM PERRY, FOLLOWED BY, UH, JOHN THOMPSON.

MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA IN TONIGHT'S INSTALLMENT OF THE LIES TOLD BY THE CITY OF SEDONA, WE WILL ADDRESS THE LIES RECENTLY TOLD DURING THE CITIZENS ACADEMY BY GUILLERMO GONZALEZ, WHO APPARENTLY TOLD ATTENDEES THAT CITY STAFF OR THE PROFESSIONALS AND NO BEST AND THE PUBLIC JUST NEEDS TO GET OUT OF THEIR WAY AND LET THEM DO WHAT THEY WANT.

FIRST OF ALL, SUCH A STATEMENT IS FACTUALLY UNTRUE.

IT IS OBJECTIVELY AND DEMONSTRABLY FALSE.

THE HISTORICAL AND SOCIOLOGICAL RECORD ARE QUITE CLEAR THAT PROFESSIONALS, EXPERTS, SPECIALISTS, SO-CALLED ACTUALLY MAKE POORER AND LESS EFFECTIVE DECISIONS THAN AMATEURS AND GENERALISTS.

MOTIVATION, LOCAL KNOWLEDGE AND A BREADTH OF EXPERIENCE PERFORM, MAKE FOR BETTER BASIS FOR DECISIONS THAN DOES THE NARROW SPECIALIZATION OF TODAY'S PROFESSIONALS.

WESTERN CIVILIZATION WAS BUILT BY AND ON GENERALISTS.

THE SPECIALISTS ARE SLOWLY TEARING IT DOWN.

AS AN INSTANCE OF HOW THIS WORKS, I'M CURRENTLY EAGERLY WAITING TO SEE IF THE GREGORIES ARE GOING TO MODIFY THEIR LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY AFTER THEIR PROPERTY POSSIBLY FLOODED DURING THE LAST FEW DAYS BECAUSE THE CITY'S CLUELESS ENGINEERS TORE DOWN THEIR FLOOD WALL.

GOD SAVE US FROM THE CITY'S EXPERTISE.

THE SECOND POINT OF RELEVANCE HERE IS THAT STATING THAT PROFESSIONALS KNOW BETTER THAN THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND SHOULD MAKE THE DECISIONS FOR THEM IS IN FACT A PARAPHRASE OF THE POLICY OF VLADIMIR LENNON, WHO THOUGHT THAT ALL AFFAIRS SHOULD BE CONTROLLED BY AN ELITIST VANGUARD PARTY LOOKING DOWN ON THE POOR PEARLS WHO NEEDED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.

THIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY UN-AMERICAN SENTIMENT THAT HAS NO PLACE IN THE MOUTH OF A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE, UNLESS OF COURSE, THE GOAL IS TO DESTROY A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY FROM WITHIN, BY QUIETLY PROMOTING IDEAS WHICH ARE COMPLETELY CONTRARY TO DEMOCRACY.

TAKE THIS PILE OF SOVIET INSPIRED LIES AND SHOVE IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE AND FIRE THE GUY WHO IS DISSEMINATING THESE LIES.

GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL.

MY NAME'S JOHN THOMPSON.

I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA.

OUR MOMENT OF MOOD TODAY IS ABOUT HEALTH, PERSONAL HEALTH AND THEN PLANETARY HEALTH.

THE PERSONAL HEALTH QUESTION MOST OFTEN ASKED OF A VEGETARIAN OR VEGAN IS, IF YOU DON'T EAT MEAT, WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR PROTEIN? IT'S EASY TO ANSWER.

WE GET IT FROM THE SAME PLACE.

THE MEAT GOT IT FROM PLANTS.

THE BEEF INDUSTRY LONG AGO CHOSE TO EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF PROTEIN BECAUSE IT WAS A NUTRIENT THAT BEEF PROVIDED.

IT IS IN BEEF AND IT IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S ALSO FOUND IN MOST PLANT FOODS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF IT.

SO THAT PROTEIN DEFICIENCY IN THE US IS ABOUT AS RARE AS STARVATION REGARDLESS OF DIET.

MEANWHILE, BEEF IS ALSO AN EXCELLENT SOURCE OF SATURATED FAT AND CHOLESTEROL, WHICH VEGANS ALMOST ENTIRELY MISS OUT ON ELEPHANTS, HIPPOS, GORILLAS.

AND YES, EVEN COWS ARE PLANT EATERS.

WE DON'T NEED TO EAT THEM FOR PROTEIN ANY MORE THAN THEY NEED TO EAT US.

SO IF YOU DIRECTED THAT OUR SUSTAINABILITY POLICY FOLLOW THE NUTRITIOUS, THE NUTRITION AND CLIMATE EXPERTS WHO RECOMMEND REDUCING OR ELIMINATING CONSUMPTION OF ANIMAL PRODUCTS AND BEEF, ESPECIALLY, YOU WOULD NOT BE ASKING US TO COMPROMISE OUR HEALTH IN ANY WAY.

ON THE CONTRARY, WE AND THE PLANET WOULD ALL BE HEALTHIER NOW FOR THE PLANET.

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THIS CHART SHOWS THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS OF SOME POPULAR FOOD TYPES.

DOZENS OF OTHER FOOD ITEMS CAN BE ADDED INTERACTIVELY AT THE SITE, OUR WORLD.

IN DATA.ORG, THE TOP LINE IS FOR BEEF RAISED IN HERDS WHERE NEARLY ALL OUR BEEF COMES FROM.

99.48 KILOGRAMS OF GREENHOUSE GASES ARE EMITTED FOR EVERY ONE KILOGRAM OF BEEF CONSUMED AS FOOD.

NO OTHER FOOD PRODUCT IS EVEN 40 TO ONE, LET ALONE A HUNDRED TO ONE DAIRY HERD BEEF IS 33 TO ONE CHEESE, 24 TO ONE POULTRY, 12 TO ONE PORK IS 10 TO ONE.

MEANWHILE, FRUITS, VEGETABLES, NUTS, AND SEEDS ARE NEARLY ALL IN THE SINGLE DIGITS.

PEAS ARE ONE TO ONE, POTATOES ARE ONE HALF TO ONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I AM, UH, UH, WILLING AND ABLE AND EAGER TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AT SEDONA JOHN@ME.COM.

THAT'S SEDONA, JO N@ME.COM.

THANK YOU JT.

WE DO HAVE A FEW AWARDS PROCLAMATIONS TONIGHT, SO I'M GONNA MOVE THE AGENDA AROUND A LITTLE BIT.

AND BECAUSE MY VOICE ISN'T UP TO SNUFF, I'M GONNA HAVE OUR VARIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT SOME OF THE PROCLAMATIONS.

BUT

[8.d. Leadership Academy participants certificate presentation.]

WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE LEADERSHIP ACADEMY.

THE LEADERSHIP ACADEMY.

THERE WERE 14 MEMBERS OF THE CITY STAFF WHO COMPLETED THE FO, THE FIRST COHORT OF THE SEDONA LEADERSHIP ACADEMY.

THE ACADEMY WAS DEVELOPED, EXCUSE ME, BY THE CITY OF SEDONA AND THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTHERN ARIZONA.

JOINTLY IT WAS HELD ALTERNATING TUESDAYS FROM JULY 21ST THROUGH OCTOBER 1ST.

THE ACADEMY INCLUDED MORE THAN 40 HOURS OF LEADERSHIP COURSEWORK AND PARTICIPANTS RECEIVED COURSE CREDIT FROM NAU AT THE END.

EACH PARTICIPANT PRESENTED A LEADERSHIP CAPSTONE TO THE GROUP.

THE SESSIONS WERE LED BY EMILY GRIFFIN FOR NAU AND JONATHAN KING FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA.

PARTICIPANTS INCLUDED EMPLOYEES AT VARIOUS LEVELS IN THE ORGANIZATION, CREATING A GROUP THAT COULD DRAW ON EACH OTHER'S EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE AND LEARN ABOUT OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

THE COHORT WAS A GREAT SUCCESS AND WE ARE PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT SEDONA LEADERSHIP ACADEMY COHORT TWO IS CURRENTLY BEING PLANNED.

AND THANK YOU ANNETTE, FOR CONCEIVING OF THIS IDEA AND EXECUTING IT VERY NICELY.

SO WOULD ALL OF THE GRADUATES OF THE COHORT PLEASE COME UP AND RECEIVE YOUR CERTIFICATES AND TAKE A PHOTO? MAYOR, YOU WANT, YOU WANT MAYOR HOLLY, DO YOU WANNA LIKE SPEAK INTO THE MIC HERE? NO THANKS KATHY.

YOU'RE GOOD.

JONATHAN HOFFMAN.

, WHERE IS SHE? WHERE'S OUR PHOTOGRAPHER? OH, .

WE'RE DOING ONE BY ONE.

AND THEN WE'LL DO THE WHOLE GROUP.

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STEPHANIE, CHIEF FOLEY.

SYLVIA HERNANDEZ.

UM, SORRY, THAT LOOKS WEIRD.

DO ONE MORE MY PHONE.

THERE ALWAYS GOTTA BE SOMEBODY, BUT THERE'S TWO.

TERRY TE TE.

CONGRATULATIONS, ROBERT.

1, 2, 3.

EVERYONE.

OKAY, SO HOW ABOUT EVERYBODY COME ON UP NOW.

DO WE BREAK THESE? SORRY, I TRIED TO KILL YOU.

WHAT? A DISTINGUISHED GROUP.

YOU TWO GUYS GO IN FRONT.

MAYOR, COME FORWARD WITH BARBARA AND SARAH, AND THEN YOU GUYS ALL JUST SQUEAK.

AND THEN THIS IS THE CENTER TURN TOWARDS CENTER LEANING.

I'LL BE WHEREVER Y'ALL WANT.

COME ON.

AWESOME.

WE NEED TO REDO CONSENT.

HOLD ON A SECOND.

JUST, WE'RE JUST GONNA REVISIT THE CONSENT ITEMS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE APPROVE K THROUGH AND THEN IH CIRCLE K.

JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO NAU FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP.

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GOING BACK TO THE CONSENT AGENDA AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS DONE PROPERLY.

WE'RE

[3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE (Part 2 of 2)]

SO WE WANNA APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS A THROUGH F UM, MAYOR, AND YOU NEED TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION.

THERE WAS ALREADY A MOTION THAT APPROVED THAT WAS PASSED.

SO PROCEDURALLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION FOR CONSENT.

AND THEN A NEW MOTION WE BE MADE.

AND THE NEW MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE A THROUGH F AND I OKAY.

IS HOW I WOULD RECOMMEND DOING IT.

SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE, UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO WITHDRAW THE PRIOR MOTION WITHDRAW.

MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO WITHDRAW MY PREVIOUS MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE A THROUGH F AND ITEM A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A.

WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT PROCLAMATION.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT'S DONE.

[8.a. Fire Prevention Awareness Month Proclamation, October, 2026.]

SO IT WILL BE THE FIRE PREVENTION AWARENESS MONTH PROCLAMATION READ BY COUNCILLOR KINSELLA.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

AND I SEE THAT OUR, UM, THE CHAIR OF THE FIRE BOARD HELEN MCNEIL AND THE, UH, FIRE CHIEF ED MISSOULA ARE HERE TODAY.

SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TO, UH, ACCEPT THIS.

WHEREAS THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF OUR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS DEPEND ON PROACTIVE MEASURES TO PREVENT FIRES IN HOMES, WORKPLACE AND PUBLIC SPACES.

AND WHEREAS OCTOBER IS OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED AS FIRE PREVENTION MONTH EXPANDED FROM FIRE PREVENTION WEEK, WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION IN 1922 TO COMMEMORATE THE GREAT CHICAGO FIRE OF 1871 AND SERVES AS A VITAL REMINDER THAT SMALL ACTIONS SUCH AS TESTING, SMOKE ALARMS, CREATING ESCAPE AND EVACUATION PLANS, PRACTICING SAFE COOKING HABITS AND TAKING CARE IN PUBLIC SPACES CAN SAVE LIVES.

AND WHEREAS THE POCKET FIRE, A NATIONAL INCIDENT THAT THREATENED SEDONAS SURROUNDING AREA AND BURNED OVER 27,000 ACRES, BROUGHT FIREFIGHTING TEAMS FROM ALL OVER THE NATION TO DEFEND OUR COMMUNITY AND BELOVED FOREST LANDS.

AND WHEREAS WE GRATEFULLY HONOR THE DEDICATION AND COURAGE OF ALL FIREFIGHTERS, FIRST RESPONDERS AND SAFETY EDUCATORS WHO WORK TIRELESSLY TO PROTECT OUR HEALTH AND SAFETY.

NOW, THEREFORE, MAYOR HOLLY PLU OF THE CITY OF SEDONA ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, HEREBY PROCLAIMS OCTOBER, 2026 AS FIRE PREVENTION MONTH IN SEDONA AND URGES ALL RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TO JOIN IN ACTIVITIES THAT PROMOTE FIRE SAFETY AWARENESS AND PREPAREDNESS.

ISSUED THIS 13TH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2026.

OUR NEXT PROCLAMATION IS FOR NATIONAL CODE COMPLIANCE MONTH AND ACCEPTING THE PROCLAMATION WILL BE SEDONAS SENIOR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER

WOULD ED AND HELEN LIKE TO COME UP? WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A FEW REMARKS? GREAT.

WELL, THANK YOU.

UM, WE CELEBRATE FIRE PREVENTION WEEK EVERY YEAR IN OCTOBER, AND IT, IT COMES WITH A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO INTER INTERMIX WITH THE PUBLIC AND DO SOME PUBLIC EDUCATION AND, UM, THE CITY'S CONTINUED PARTNERSHIP AND RECOGNITION OF, UH, THE IMPORTANCE OF FIRE PREVENTION MATTERS TO US.

SO THANK YOU.

AND IF I COULD JUST ECHO WHAT THE CHIEF SAID, BUT ALSO, UH, TO SAY THAT I AM FORTUNATE TO REPRESENT YOU, THE CITIZENS IN WORKING WITH OUR FIREFIGHTERS.

WE HAVE AN AMAZING FIRE, FIRE TEAM AND, UM, SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL BE PROUD OF.

SO THANK YOU FOR THIS AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO TO SUPPORT SEDONA FIRE.

THAT'S BETTER.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT OBSTRUCTING .

[8.b. National Code Compliance Month Proclamation, October, 2026]

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BRIAN ARMSTRONG, WHEREAS CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS PROVIDE FOR SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE CITIZENS THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES THROUGH THE ENFORCEMENT OF LOCAL CODES OR ORDINANCES FACING VARIOUS ISSUES OF BUILDING, ZONING, HOUSING, ANIMAL CONTROL, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, AND LIFE SAFETY.

AND WHEREAS CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OFTEN HAVE A CHALLENGING AND DEMANDING ROLE AND OFTEN DO NOT RECEIVE RECOGNITION FOR THE JOB THAT THEY DO IN IMPROVING LIVING AND WORKING CONDITIONS FOR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES OF LOCAL COMMUNITIES.

AND WHEREAS CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE DEDICATED AND HIGHLY QUALIFIED PROFESSIONALS WHO SHARE THE GOALS OF PREVENTING NEIGHBORHOOD DETERIORATION, ENHANCING AND ENSURING SAFETY AND PRESERVING PROPERTY VALUES THROUGH KNOWLEDGE AND APPLICATION OF HOUSING ZONING AND NUISANCE CODES AND ORDINANCES.

AND WHEREAS CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OFTEN HAVE A HIGHLY VISIBLE ROLE IN THE COMMUNITIES PROVIDING QUALITY CUSTOMER SERVICE AND EXCELLENCE TO THE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES OF THE COMMUNITIES IN WHICH THEY SERVE.

AND WHEREAS THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT WANTS TO RECOGNIZE AND HONOR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND PROFESSIONALS ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AND BRING AWARENESS TO THE IMPORTANCE OF CODE ENFORCEMENT TO THE COMMUNITIES OF THE UNITED STATES.

AND NOW THEREFORE, HOLLY PLU, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 26TH TO BE NATIONAL CODE COMPLIANCE MONTH IN SEDONA, ARIZONA, AND ASK OUR CITIZENS TO EXPRESS THEIR APPRECIATION FOR THE DEDICATION AND SERVICE OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO SERVE AS CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ISSUED THIS 13TH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2026.

THIS IS MEANINGFUL BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF OUR OWN VERY QUICKLY, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, FOR THIS PROCLAMATION.

UH, THE, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS FOR THE CITY ARE SPLIT INTO TWO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, UH, WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, UH, UNDER THERESA FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND THEN OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR THE REST OF CODE ENFORCEMENT.

UH, STAN COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT, DURECT, HE'S BEEN WITH THE CITY AND CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR JUST COMING UP ON EIGHT YEARS, WHICH IS A LONG TIME TO BE DOING THAT.

UH, AND HE DOES A GREAT JOB IN ENFORCING COMPLIANCE RATHER THAN EN ENFORCEMENT AND WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN, UH, KURT, OUR BRAND NEW, HE STARTED IN, UM, JUNE OF THIS YEAR, KURT FOSTER, AND HE HIT THE GROUND RUNNING VERY FAST AND HE'S DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTAL CODE ENFORCEMENT.

AND HE JUST KNOCKED OUT TWO VENUES DOING WEDDINGS RECENTLY.

SO HE'S DOING A GREAT JOB.

SO THIS REALLY MEANS A LOT, UH, TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT TO BE RECOGNIZED.

[8.c. Domestic Violence Awareness Month Proclamation, October, 2026.]

THIS PROCLAMATION IS AROUND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH, AND IT IS PRESENTED TO JESSE JOHNSON AND, UH, OR BRIAN BERGNER.

UM, WHEREAS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS A PATTERN OF COERCIVE CONTROL AND ABUSIVE BEHAVIORS USED TO GAIN AND MAINTAIN POWER AND CONTROL OVER AN INTIMATE PARTNER, THAT CAN INCLUDE ISOLATION FROM FAMILY AND FRIENDS, FINANCIAL, EMOTIONAL AND PHYSICAL ABUSE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE KNOWS NO BOUNDARIES AND IMPACTS EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF RACE, RELIGION, AGE, GENDER, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS, AND GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION.

AND WHEREAS 41% OF WOMEN AND 26% OF MEN REPORT HAVING EXPERIENCED CONTACT SEXUAL VIOLENCE, PHYSICAL VIOLENCE, OR STALKING BY AN INTIMATE PARTNER IN THEIR LIFETIME.

AND WHEREAS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE THAT AFFECTS ALL OF US, AND TO ADDRESS IT, WE MUST APPLY OUR COLLECTIVE ATTENTION AND RESOURCES TO INTERVENTIONS TO ADDRESS THE CONSEQUENCES OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND THE MYRIAD OF OTHER ISSUES, INCLUDING MENTAL AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, HOMELESSNESS AND SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS.

AND WHEREAS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH IS A NATIONAL CAMPAIGN DEDICATED TO RAISING AWARENESS ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, EVERY OCTOBER, ORGANIZATIONS

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AND INDIVIDUALS UNITE ACROSS THE NATION FOR A NATIONAL EFFORT TO UPLIFT THE NEEDS, VOICES, AND EXPERIENCES OF SURVIVORS.

AND THE CITY OF SEDONA COUNCIL IS PROUD TO JOIN THIS EFFORT.

AND WHEREAS PARTNERSHIPS WITH COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS, AND LAW ENFORCEMENT HELP PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR OUR SURVIVORS, INCLUDING TRAUMA INFORMED ADVOCATES AND SUPPORT FOR THOSE SEEKING HELP.

AND WHEREAS SURVIVORS DON'T HAVE TO GO IT ALONE WHEN THEY'RE READY, THEY'RE RESOURCES TO HELP, INCLUDING THE VERDE VALLEY SANCTUARY AT 9 2 8 6 3 4 2 5 1 1.

THE NATIONAL DOMESTIC VIOLENCE HOTLINE AT 807 9 9 SAFE, THE ARIZONA COALITION TO END SEXUAL AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE HELPLINE AT 6 0 2 2 7 9 2 9 8 0.

AND ARIZONA 2 1 1 AT 2 1 1.

NOW THEREFORE, HOLLY PLU, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL, DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER, 2026 TO BE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH IN SEDONA, ARIZONA.

THIS MONTH WE REAFFIRM OUR STEADFAST AND UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO HELPING SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WHERE THEY ARE AND WORK TIRELESSLY TO PROVIDE THE SYSTEMS AND SUPPORTS THEY NEED TO HEAL, HOLD SPACES FOR THEM TO REBUILD THEIR LIVES AND SHARE THEIR STORIES AND CENTER OUR EFFORTS TO ENSURE NO ONE IS LEFT BEHIND AND THAT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN ALL OF ITS FORMS IS NOT TOLERATED IN OUR COMMUNITY.

ISSUED THIS 13TH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2026.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

WAS THAT ON? YES.

SO I WANNA EXPLAIN THE, UM, CONSENT ITEMS WE'RE PULLING OFF ITEMS. G AND J.

MADAM MAYOR, COUNSELORS, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY NOT ONLY TO RAISE AWARENESS, BUT TO ASK WHAT COMES NEXT.

IT MEANS ENSURING THAT SOMEONE SEEKING SAFETY HAS SOMEWHERE TO TURN.

IT MEANS TEACHING YOUNG PEOPLE WHAT HEALTHY RELATIONSHIPS LOOK LIKE.

IT MEANS HOLDING THOSE WHO CAUSE HARM ACCOUNTABLE WHILE WORKING TO PREVENT VIOLENCE BEFORE IT BEGINS.

AND IT MEANS BUILDING SAFE, SAFE COMMUNITIES WHERE EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO LIVE WITH SAFETY, DIGNITY, AND RESPECT.

AT VERDE VALLEY SANCTUARY, WE SEE BOTH THE IMPACT OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND THE EXTRAORDINARY COURAGE OF SURVIVORS EVERY DAY.

DURING FISCAL YEAR 26 ALONE, VERDE VALLEY SANCTUARY PROVIDED SERVICES TO MORE THAN 1500 SURVIVORS AND SEC OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT, PROVIDED NEARLY 7,600 NIGHTS OF SAFE SHELTER AND ANSWERED ALMOST 1300 CRISIS CALLS.

THOSE NUMBERS TELL US SOMETHING IMPORTANT.

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS HAPPENING HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT IT ALSO TELLS ANOTHER STORY.

BEHIND EVERY NUMBER IS A PERSON WHO REACHED OUT AND A COMMUNITY WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND.

THIS OCTOBER, WE HOPE WE CAN MOVE BEYOND SIMPLY WEARING PURPLE TO WEAR, RAISE AWARENESS, LISTEN, BELIEVE, AND LET US SPEAK UP WHEN WE SEE ABUSE OR CONTROLLING BEHAVIOR.

LET US SUPPORT SURVIVORS WITHOUT JUDGMENT AND LET US CONTINUE TO BRING VERDE VALLEY TO LET US CONTINUE BUILDING A VERDE VALLEY WHERE SAFETY IS NOT A PRIVILEGE, BUT SOMETHING EVERY PERSON DESERVES.

THANK YOU TO THE CITY OF SEDONA FOR RECOGNIZING THIS MONTH AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH.

OKAY, USE SOME CHAIRS.

OKAY,

[9.a. Discussion/possible action regarding items pulled off “3. Consent Items”.]

G AND J AND H NO, NO, NOT G AND J.

NO, NOT BJ.

G, H AND J.

GH AND J.

GH AND J WERE G AND H ARE BEING PULLED OFF BECAUSE OF A POTENTIAL CONFLICT.

SO DEREK DID NOT, SO WHEN WE VOTE ON THEM, DEREK WILL NOT BE VOTING ON THEM.

SO, AND THE OTHER ITEM WAS PULLED OFF BY STAFF.

SO IF THERE'S A MOTION NOW YOU WANNA LEAVE THE

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DAIS, BE CAREFUL.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, CONSENT ITEMS G AND H.

SECOND, TAKE A LOOK.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, .

AND MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION REGARDING ITEM J, PLEASE.

OKAY, COUNSELOR.

UM, I MOVE, UH, I MOVE TO TABLE ITEM AB THREE 70, THE APPROVAL OF AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF SEDONA AND ARIZONA WATER COMPANY RELATED TO WATER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS IN UPTOWN SEDONA TO OCTOBER 27TH.

DATE CERTAIN SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

SO LET'S GET ON TO REGULAR BUSINESS.

OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE CLEAR.

WE'RE GOOD? YES, WE'RE GOOD.

ALL RIGHT.

[9.b. AB 3379 Discussion/possible action for approval of the purchase of a Mulithog CV 350 street sweeper from Norwood Equipment, Inc. in an amount not-to-exceed $245,405.59.]

MAYOR.

MAYOR, DO YOU, DO YOU WANT STAFF TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY PULLED IT? NO.

NO.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNSELORS.

DISCUSSION.

POSSIBLE ITEM, UH, AB 33 79, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE PURCHASE OF A MULTI HOG CV THREE 50 SWEET SWEEPER FROM NORWOOD EQUIPMENT INC.

IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $245,405 AND 59 CENTS.

THANK YOU, ROXANNE.

UH, ROXANNE HOLLAND, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORK CITY ENGINEER.

UM, TONIGHT'S, UH, UH, ITEM IS ASKING FOR APPROVAL FOR A PURCHASE OF A MINI SWEEPER.

THIS WAS PRESENTED DURING THE FISCAL YEAR 27 BUDGET, UM, SESSIONS FOR, AS A DECISION PACKAGE, AND WAS APPROVED AT THAT TIME FOR OUR PURCHASE OF A DIESEL, UM, MINI SWEEPER.

UM, WE'VE PRESENTED TWO OPTIONS HERE.

UM, ONE IS FOR THE, THE DIESEL UNIT THAT WAS, UH, PRESENTED IN REC, UM, RECOMMENDED BY STAFF DURING THE, UM, DECISION PACKAGE AND THE BUDGET SESSIONS.

UM, THE COST FOR THAT IS $247,527.

WE'RE ALSO INCLUDING A, AN OPTION FOR PURCHASE OF AN ELECTRIC VERSION OF THE SAME MINI SWEEPER.

UM, AND THAT COST IS ROUGHLY $84,000 MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE DIESEL VERSION AT 3 31, 4 0 4.

UM, WE DID A QUICK LIFECYCLE COST ANALYSIS ON THAT, ASSUMING A 15 YEAR LIFECYCLE.

UM, THIS ASSUMED AND, AND UNTIL WE HAVE THIS SWEEPER AND WE KNOW HOW OFTEN WE'RE GONNA CLEAN IT, WE HAD TO MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS ON HOW OFTEN IT WOULD BE USED.

UM, BUT WE ASSUMED, UM, A WEEKLY CLEANING OF THE GARAGE AND THEN WE ASSUMED MONTHLY CLEANING OF OTHER FACILITIES, SUCH AS THE UNDERPASS AT OAK CREEK AND, UM, VARIOUS SUVS THROUGHOUT TOWN.

SO LOOKING AT THAT, THE 15 YEAR LIFECYCLE COST FOR THE, WANNA MAKE SURE I HAVE THIS RIGHT FOR THE DIESEL UNIT, UM, IS $540,750 ROUGHLY OVER THE, OVER THE COURSE OF 15 YEARS.

UM, FOR THE EV OPTION, UM, OVER THE COURSE OF 15 YEARS, WE MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS, UM, THE SAME ASSUMPTIONS ON IN TERMS OF FREQUENCY OF CLEANING AND WHERE THAT WOULD BE DONE.

UM, BUT WE DID HAVE TO MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS ON OUR ELECTRICITY COSTS FOR CHARGING THAT.

UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE OUR FINAL RATE YET, BECAUSE WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR FINALIZATION ON OUR SOLAR, UM, PANELS THERE AT THE GARAGE FROM A PS.

SO WE MADE AN ASSUMPTION THERE.

AND THE 15 YEAR LIFECYCLE COST FOR THAT, UH, WAS JUST SHY OF $600,000 OVER THE COURSE OF 15 YEARS.

SO ROUGHLY, LEMME GO BACK ROUGHLY A $60,000 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

ANY QUESTIONS? DIRK? IS, SO THIS DIESEL MODEL, IS THIS SAFE TO OPERATE IN ENCLOSED SPACES LIKE THE GARAGE? THE GARAGE IS VENTED.

UM, IT, IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN CARS DRIVING THROUGHOUT THE, THE GARAGE THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

SO THE, THE GARAGE IS WELL VENTED, UM, AND MADE FOR GAS ENGINES.

THE ELECTRIC VERSION DOES NOT DO ONE ITEM THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN HAVING THE SWEEPER DO.

TO DRIVE THROUGH KATHY.

SO I UNDERSTAND THIS FROM THE AB THE, UM,

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IS THAT CORRECT? UM, NO.

SO THIS ELECTRIC VERSION THAT'S PRESENTED IN THE AB DOES HAVE THE OPTION.

AND, AND THAT OPTION IS, IS A NECESSITY.

UM, FOR US IT'S A, AN OPTION FOR A POWER WASHING.

LIKE A WASH DOWN MM-HMM .

UM, PORTION FOR THE, FOR THE UNIT.

UM, THE OTHER EV UNITS THAT WERE PROPOSED, UM, DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION THAT WE KNOW OF YET, BUT THE ONE THAT'S IN, IN HERE IS THE ELECTRIC, WHICH IS DOES HAVE THAT DOES HAVE IT.

AND AGAIN, COST IS $60,000 MORE PER OVER THE LIFE AS YOU ESTIMATED.

DOES THAT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THOUGH, THE RISING PRICE OF DIESEL FUEL? DIESEL? SO, UH, AS YOU KNOW, DIESEL FUEL CAN FLUCTUATE.

SOMETIMES IT'S LOW, SOMETIMES IT'S HIGH.

SO WE TOOK, UM, FOR OUR ASSUMPTION FOR THAT 15 YEAR LIFECYCLE COST, WE KIND OF WENT IN THE MIDDLE.

WE DIDN'T GO SUPER LOW, WE DIDN'T GO WHERE IT'S AT NOW 'CAUSE WE FEEL LIKE IT'S VERY HIGH.

SO WE, WE DID FIVE AND A QUARTER PER GALLON.

UM, FOR OUR, UH, ELECTRIC COSTS FOR THE EV UNIT, WE DID THE SAME.

SO COST THAT THE CITY PAYS REAL COST FOR A PS IS AS LOW AS 10 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR ALL THE WAY UP TO 23 OR 24 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR DEPENDING ON, ON THE FACILITY.

UM, SO WE TOOK A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH AND, AND WENT IN THE MIDDLE AND, AND USED 17 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR FOR THAT.

AND HOW DID YOU CALCULATE, UM, ESTIMATED SAVINGS WITH THERE NOT BEING A TRADITIONAL ENGINE, COMBUSTION ENGINE IN THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE, SUPPOSEDLY WOULD NOT NEED THE SAME MAINTENANCE ON THOSE PARTS.

UM, SO HOW WERE SAVINGS IN THAT AREA CALCULATED? SO WHILE EV UNITS DON'T HAVE TRADITIONAL MAINTENANCE LIKE OIL CHANGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT DOES REQUIRE BATTERY REPLACEMENT.

AND SO A, A BATTERY REPLACEMENT AT THE 10 YEAR MARK WAS FACTORED IN FOR THAT.

IN TERMS OF MAJOR, UH, MAINTENANCE, UM, IT DOES STILL REQUIRE MAINTENANCE LIKE TIRES AND BRAKES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

MELISSA, ARE YOU DONE? YEAH, I WASN'T SURE.

UM, SO ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU DISCUSSED IN THE PACKAGE IS AROUND, UM, AVAILABILITY FOR MAINTENANCE, NOT THE MAINTENANCE ITSELF, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING FROM HAVING READ THE PACKET, THERE'S A LOCAL COMPANY YOU CAN USE WITH THE DIESEL, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THE EV DOWN TO PHOENIX IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.

SO THERE'S COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

SO DID YOU FIGURE THAT IN, SO IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN WITH THE EV UNIT THAT WAS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF, OF LIKE A BATTERY REPLACEMENT OR SOMETHING AND THAT COULD ELECTRONICS, IT'S ALL ELECTRONIC, RIGHT? UM, IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN THERE, IT REQUIRES SPECIALIZED MECHANICS TO DEAL WITH THAT.

UM, OUR PRIMARY INITIAL RECOMMENDATION FOR THE DIESEL UNIT DURING THE, UM, DECISION PACKAGE PROCESS WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR FOLKS CAN WORK ON DIESEL ENGINES IN-HOUSE.

SOMETIMES THERE'S AVAILABLE MECHANICS, SO THERE WOULD BE MINIMAL DOWNTIME AS OPPOSED TO THE EV UNIT.

YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE IT TO PHOENIX AND TOW IT DOWN THERE.

THOSE COSTS TO, TO TRANSPORT THAT WERE NOT FACTORED IN.

UM, AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, STAFF JUST NEEDS A SWEEPER.

WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A STRONG PREFERENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE PRESENTING BOTH OPTIONS COUNCIL TO TODAY.

SO SECOND QUESTION.

UM, DID YOU LOOK AT HISTORY FROM THE COMPANY REGARDING MAINTENANCE ISSUES OR ANY OF THAT FROM THESE, THESE TWO VEHICLES? IS THE ELECTRIC ONE IN PLAY IN OTHER PLACES? DO THEY HAVE ANY WAY OF LETTING YOU KNOW WHETHER THERE ARE ISSUES? UM, I, WE DID NOT DO THAT RESEARCH ON WHO OWNS THE, THE MULTI HOG MANUFACTURED EV UNIT AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE A TRACK HISTORY OF, OF PROBLEMS OR NOT.

I'M CURIOUS, HOW OFTEN DO YOU EXPECT TO USE THIS SWEEPER? IS IT A DAILY OR IS IT, SO, UH, IN OUR ANALYSIS HERE, WE ASSUMED A ONCE A WEEK, LIKE FULL CLEANING OF THE GARAGE.

I'M ASSUMING THERE WILL LIKELY BE SOME SPOT CLEANING THAT HAPPENS POSSIBLY DAILY.

UM, BUT A FULL CLEANING, I'M, WE MADE THE ASSUMPTION OF ONCE A WEEK.

IT KIND OF, IT LIKELY DEPENDS ON, ON HOW CLEAN PEOPLE HELP HELP US KEEP IT, HOW PEOPLE HELP US KEEP IT CLEAN.

UM, AND IT WOULD ALSO PROBABLY DEPEND ON THE WEATHER.

SO YOU, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A LOT OF RAIN OR SNOW, YOU MIGHT GET MORE GRAVEL AND MUD AND, AND TRACK IN AND TRACK

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OUT OF THE GARAGE.

UM, AND THEN OF COURSE DURING HIGH TOURISM SEASONS, I'M EXPECTING WE'D PROBABLY USE IT MORE FREQUENTLY THEN IF WE WERE TO GO WITH THE EV VERSION, WHERE WOULD IT BE CHARGED? UH, THERE'S A SPOT THAT WE COULD CHARGE IT, RIGHT, RIGHT WHERE WE WOULD PARK THE DIESEL UNIT.

IT, IT PLUGS INTO A STANDARD ONE 20 VOLT OUTLET.

SO, AND WE HAVE THAT OUTLET AVAILABLE RIGHT THERE, THIS PARTICULAR MODEL.

THANKS, KATHY.

WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS, UH, DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SWEEPER BEING USED IN OTHER AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE GARAGE AS WELL.

SO THAT USE WOULD BE ON TOP OF THE ONES A WEEK, GIVE OR TAKE, CORRECT.

CLEANING THERE YOU WANTED TO USE IT.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER USES PLEASE? SO, UH, PRIMARILY IT WOULD BE THE UNDERPASS AT 1 79.

SO IF FLOOD WATERS WERE TO, YOU KNOW, IF THE CREEK WAS TO RISE AND, AND DEPOSIT SOME SEDIMENT IN THERE OR THROUGH OUR, UM, WE HAVE SOME STORM DRAINS THAT THAT DUMP OUT RIGHT THERE AS WELL.

SO MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S KEPT CLEAN.

UM, AND THEN WE WOULD USE IT AS NEEDED, UM, ON OUR SUVS.

PROBABLY NOT ON A REGULAR LIKE MAINTENANCE LEVEL BASIS, BUT IF THERE WAS AN EVENT THAT HAPPENED THAT, YOU KNOW, NEEDED SPECIALIZED CLEANING.

MM-HMM.

AND ONE LAST QUESTION FROM ME.

UM, THE TRANSPORT OF THIS, IT IT'S SELF MOBILE OR YOU WOULD BE TRAILERING IT? UH, I GARAGE I WOULD ASSUME DEPENDING ON, I WOULD ASSUME WE WOULD HAVE TO TRAILER IT TO, TO FARAWAY LOCATIONS, BUT I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY BE ABLE TO DRIVE IT TO THE, TO THE TILLOCK UNDERPASS OR THE 1 79 UNDERPASS.

AND IF YOU DID HAVE THE TRAILER, YOU ALREADY HAVE A TRAILER THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE IT, CORRECT? YES.

ONE LAST QUESTION, MAYOR.

UM, SO ALONG THE LINES OF HOW OFTEN YOU'D USE IT IN WHATEVER, ARE YOU ANTICIPATING THAT WHEN THERE'S VENT OR WHATEVER WILL YOU'D HAVE TO DRIVE TO GET THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE BACK TO BE RECHARGED BEFORE YOU WOULD DO IT? OR DOES IT HAVE A LONG YEAH.

PERIOD OF TIME IN WHICH YOU, YOU COULD BE EFFECTIVELY DOING EVERYTHING THAT YOU THINK? UM, I THINK IT WOULD LAST I, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE BATTERY LI YOU KNOW, THE, THE CHARGE LIFE IS FOR THIS PARTICULAR MODEL.

UM, BUT FOR MOST EV OPTIONS, THERE'S, FOR MOST, UH, EV MODELS OUT THERE, THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR BATTERY SIZE.

AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WAS PROPOSED HERE THAT WOULD MEET OUR NEEDS AND, AND OUR IMMEDIATE NEED WOULD BE THE CLEANING OF THE GARAGE, WHICH SHOULD TAKE ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO THREE HOURS FOR THE FULL GARAGE.

SO, SO THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD USE IT OR ITS WORST CASE SCENARIO FOR USE, THAT THIS COST MIGHT GO UP BECAUSE THE BATTERY SIZE YOU'VE CHOSEN IS NOT THE LARGEST OR I'M JUST, WELL, I DON'T KNOW.

SO WE PROVIDED DATA TO THE COMPANY OF, OF WHAT IT WOULD BE USED FOR, AND THEN THEY JUST PROVIDED US THE QUOTE WITH THE BATTERY RECOMMENDED.

WE DID NOT DO ANY EVALUATION OF DIFFERENT BATTERY SIZES.

CHARLOTTE, DO WE KNOW HOW LONG THIS MODEL, THE EV MODEL HAS BEEN AVAILABLE, WHAT THE HISTORY ON IT IS? I DON'T OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, NO.

MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE, UM, COMPANY'S GENERAL WEBSITE.

FAQ'S IN THE EV MODELS ACCORDING TO THIS, HAS BEEN AVAILABLE SINCE 2021.

UM, PRIMARILY USED BY UNIVERSITIES, AIRPORTS, MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE MEETING, YOU KNOW, THEIR EV GOALS.

AND THEN IT DOES TALK ABOUT HOW, UM, THE MINI STREET SWEEPER, UM, DELIVERS A FULL EIGHT HOUR SHIFT AND THEN, UM, CHARGING IN BETWEEN.

SO THAT'S JUST BASED ON THEIR WEBSITE.

SO YEAH.

I HAVE ONE CARD.

ARE YOU FINISHED WITH QUESTIONS? MM-HMM .

I'VE GOT SO MANY QUESTIONS, I'VE SHARED THEM WITH YOU, UM, THROUGH EMAILS.

SO I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC FORUM.

JT JOHN THOMPSON.

I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH ROXANNE FOR THE, UH, REAL QUICK TURNAROUND.

I KNOW WE TALKED ON, UH, FRIDAY I THINK IT WAS, WHICH A LOT OF YOUR COLLEAGUES DON'T WORK, BUT YOU DO, UM, ABOUT SOME OF MY CONCERNS AND YOU WERE VERY GOOD AT LISTENING TO THOSE AND, UM, YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY DONE SOME FURTHER LOOKING INTO THINGS AS BEST AS POSSIBLE UNDER THE SHORT TIMEFRAME.

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YOU ALL KNOW THAT.

UM, AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN BEING CLOSE TO BEING ANSWERED.

I HAVEN'T HEARD ONE THING FROM YOU OR FROM THEM AT THIS PARTICULAR MEETING ABOUT, UH, GREENHOUSE GASES.

DOES THAT NO LONGER COUNT FOR ANYTHING? WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST OF THESE THINGS AND THE, UH, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF DIFFERENCE OVER 15 YEARS, WHICH I SWEAR IF I COULD SIT DOWN WITH YOU BEFORE YOU HAD TO VOTE, I COULD BRING THAT NUMBER DOWN.

BUT NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT THE COST OF THE ENVIRONMENT.

I DID A LOT MORE ANALYSIS ON THIS, I BELIEVE BELIEVE THAN THE STAFF HAS DONE IN TOTAL WITH THE USE OF SOME PRETTY GOOD CONTEMPORARY TOOLS CALLED ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE THAT I'VE DOUBLE CHECKED.

AND I CAN SHOW YOU THE COST CURVES I HAVE TRIED TO SHOW YOU.

I'M HOPE, HOPEFULLY SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN THEM THAT DO NOT SHOW THE ANSWER THAT YOU'RE GETTING HERE TONIGHT.

ON TOP OF WHICH WE'RE COMPARING THE ELECTRIC VERSION OF THE VERY SAME MODEL OF EQUIPMENT THAT WAS BEING REQUESTED IN A DIESEL VERSION, WHICH LONG AGO I AGREED WAS NOT A GOOD OPTION BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU THE ANSWER AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THEY HAVEN'T SOLD ANY OF THE ELECTRIC VERSIONS YET.

IT'S JUST TOO SOON.

SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF DATA AND I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT, BUT I DID FIND AT LEAST ONE OTHER OPTION, AND IT WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT CAME UP WHEN I DID MY SEARCH.

SO I DIDN'T LOOK FOR ANY FURTHER BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY JOB TO DO THIS KIND OF RESEARCH, BUT I LOOKED INTO THAT ONE AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES OF THE THIS OTHER ONE.

IT MAYBE IT CAN'T DO THE POWER WASHING, BUT YOU HAVE OPTIONS FOR DOING POWER WASHING IF YOU NEED TO.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE MANUAL ONES.

THEY CAN BE FIGURED IN WHAT THE COST OF THAT IS.

I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF UM, HOURS WERE NEEDED.

GO AHEAD, JT.

FINISH UP.

I CAN'T POSSIBLY .

I'LL JUST FINISH BY SAYING THAT I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF AGENDA BILLS IN MY TIME ON THE COUNCIL AND AFTER I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE AS ILL-CONCEIVED AS THIS ONE FOR THE GOALS AND VALUES OF THIS COMMUNITY, EVEN FROM A COST STANDPOINT, WE CAN DEMONSTRATE, I CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU'VE GOT A BETTER COST ADVANTAGE BY CONTINUING TO DO CONTRACT LABOR UNTIL A GOOD OPTION THAT SATISFIES YOUR NEEDS COMES UP.

THERE MAY BE ONE ALREADY.

IT CAN BE ENCOURAGED WITH THE ORGANIZATION THAT YOU, UM, THAT YOU GO TO FOR YOUR, YOUR DISCOUNTS, BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK FURTHER THAN THE ORGANIZATION THAT GIVES YOU DISCOUNTS ON THINGS.

THEY ARE WILLING TO TAKE SUGGESTIONS FROM YOU AND YOU CAN DO THAT IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO WHILE YOU'RE WASHING IT BY HAND WITH CONTRACT LABOR.

AND YOU WILL HAVE A MUCH, MUCH BETTER RESULT THAN YOU HAVE WITH THIS PARTICULAR VOTE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

I KNOW THIS IS A TOUGH JOB.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO CON CONVINCE ME OF THAT, BUT I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO VOTE TO DELAY THIS UNTIL THERE'S SOME MORE RESEARCH DONE AND I'LL SERVE ON WHATEVER COMMITTEE YOU WANT TO GET THAT RESEARCH DONE IN A PROPER WAY AND TAKE SOME OF THE BURDEN OFF OF THE COUNCIL.

BUT WE CANNOT PUT ANOTHER GAS GUZZLING PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IN OUR GARAGES, NOT IN 2026.

THANK YOU COMMENTS, KATHY.

OUR EMISSIONS CONCERNS BECAUSE THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE USING WHOEVER WE OUTSOURCED IT TO, UH, WOULD PROBABLY BE USING A PIECE OF DIESEL EQUIPMENT TO DO THAT SAME CLEANING, PROBABLY NOT BY HAND.

I THINK THE, UH, PREVIOUS THE SPEAKER WAS AWARE THAT WE USUALLY DO QUESTIONS AND THEN COMMENTS.

SO I WAS ABOUT TO ADDRESS, UH, EMISSIONS DURING THE COMMENTS SECTION.

SO JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

UM, IT'S NOT AN OMISSION OF AN ISSUE, IT'S WHERE IT BELONGS IN OUR DISCUSSION.

UM, I DO THINK THAT FIRST OF ALL, THE OPTION OF OUTSOURCING, THIS DOES NOT ADDRESS

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UH, I DID LOOK INTO WHAT WOULD, AND I DID ASK STAFF TO LOOK INTO WHAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE ON SOURCED CONTRACT.

UM, AND THE OPTIONS THAT I'M AWARE OF, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ROXANNE OR ANDY, I KNOW YOU BOTH LOOKED INTO THIS, UH, DO NOT HAVE THE POWER WASHING FEATURE THAT I BELIEVE IS NECESSARY PIECE IF WE'RE BUYING THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, WE WANTED TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.

POWER WASHING IS A VERY DELIBERATE INTENDED FUNCTION FOR THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

THEREFORE, I THINK POWER WASHING HAS TO BE A PART OF IT.

THE POWER WASHING IS A PART OF THE EV VERSION OF THE MULTI HOG.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT THE MULTI HOG, JUST BECAUSE IT, UM, HASN'T BEEN USED IN THIS AREA BEFORE TO ME DOESN'T DISQUALIFY IT.

IT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 2021 AND USED BY THE VARIOUS MUNICIPALITIES AND ENTITIES THAT THE CITY MANAGER ENUMERATED.

I THINK THAT THE, UM, EV VERSION OF THE MULTI HOG IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE VERSION FOR US TO HAVE UNDER CONSIDERATION, UH, AS OPPOSED TO IN CONTRAST TO THE DIESEL VERSION, I DO BELIEVE THAT IT IS TIME FOR US TO REALLY MOVE INTO ELECTRIC VEHICLES WHERE WE CAN.

I DO THINK, AND I DID LOOK INTO A LITTLE EXTRA OF THE, THE, THE COST COMPARISON FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND WHAT THE DIESEL PRICES ARE.

I DON'T SEE DIESEL COMING DOWN.

UM, I THINK THAT THE SAVINGS, I I I THINK THAT THE COST COMPARISON FOR THE OPERATION IS NOT AS VAST AS MAYBE PRESENTED.

AND I THINK YOU'RE BEING CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO THANK YOU.

BUT I THINK THAT BASED ON CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH, WITH STAFF THAT HAVE ALSO LOOKED INTO IT, THAT THERE'S NOT A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE COSTS FOR THIS.

THEREFORE, I THINK IT'S TIME TO REALLY GO FORWARD WITH BUYING ELECTRIC WHERE WE CAN.

AND I THINK THIS IS ONE PLACE WHERE WE CAN, I THINK EIGHT HOURS OF CONTINUAL OPERATION CERTAINLY MEETS THE NEEDS, UM, OF WHAT THE INTENDED USE OF THIS EQUIPMENT IS.

SO, UM, AT THIS POINT I AM SUPPORTING GOING WITH AN ELECTRIC VERSION OF THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

DEREK, I SUPPORT STICKING WITH THE DIESEL MODEL.

DIESEL'S A PROVEN TECHNOLOGY.

UH, IT'S EASY TO SERVICE OUR OWN PEOPLE CAN SERVICE IT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE VEHICLE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE FLEET OF STREET SWEEPERS, YOU KNOW, RUNNING ALL OVER THE CITY.

SO I FRANKLY DON'T THINK THE CARBON FOOTPRINT'S ALL THAT HUGE.

UM, ALSO I THINK WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SWITCHING THINGS TO EV YOU'RE BASICALLY TRADING ONE CARBON FOOTPRINT FOR ANOTHER.

YOU KNOW, YOU STILL HAVE TO GENERATE THE ELECTRICITY.

YOU STILL HAVE TO DISPOSE OF LITHIUM BATTERIES AT SOME POINT WHEN THEY WEAR OUT, WHICH THEY DO.

UH, SO I JUST, BETWEEN THAT AND THE COST DIFFERENTIAL, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST GO WITH THE PROVEN TECHNOLOGY AND GO WITH THE DIESEL MODEL, MELISSA.

SO, UM, I TOOK A QUICK RUN AT THE INTERNET AND THIS PARTICULAR MODEL AS WELL.

AND, UM, THERE ARE CUSTOMERS WORLDWIDE THAT USE IT.

AND BASICALLY THEY HAVE SAID IT TAKE, THEY GET ABOUT 12 HOURS DURING SUMMER AND THEY GET APPROXIMATELY EIGHT HOURS DURING THE WINTER BECAUSE COLD DRAINS BATTERIES FASTER ON ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS AWARE, I OWN ONE OR TWO ELECTRIC VEHICLES, SO I AM AWARE OF WHAT CAN'T GO WRONG IN AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE.

UM, THEY ALSO SAID, AND PERFORMANCE HAD BETTER SUCTION THAN THE PREVIOUS DIESEL SWEEPERS.

IT WAS COMFORTABLE, IT WAS QUIET, IT WAS GOOD WITH VISIBILITY, AND OF COURSE IT HAS NO FOOTPRINT, UM, AS FAR AS, UH, UM, POLLUTION IS CONCERNED.

SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT I FOUND.

I'M SURE THERE'S MORE.

UM, BUT JUST TO SAY THAT I AM AWARE THAT THERE COULD BE OTHER MAINTENANCE COSTS THAT ARE HIDDEN INSIDE OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

IF SOMETHING DOES GO WRONG WITH THE ELECTRONICS, YOU DO HAVE TO TAKE IT TO SOMEONE WHO KNOWS THAT SPECIFIC, UM, VEHICLE.

BUT ALL THAT BEING SAID, IT, I HAVE THE SAME ARGUMENT WITH THE OPPOSITE RESULT.

IT'S ONLY ONE VEHICLE.

AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO PURCHASE A FLEET OF THEM.

UM, I'M NOT SURE THE NUMBER THAT YOU HAVE HERE, YOU KNOW, IS, IS THE RIGHT NUMBER, UH, AS FAR AS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO ALLOW IN THE BUDGET.

BUT, UM, I THINK THAT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES WHERE AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE, IF IT DOESN'T WORK, DOESN'T DO ANY HARM.

UM, UNLIKE OTHER VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE PURCHASED THAT

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ARE, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

SO I'M IN FAVOR OF, OF GOING FOR THE EV CHARLOTTE.

I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT IF IT DOESN'T WORK, IT DOES NO HARM.

IT DOES NO, DOES NO GOOD THEN EITHER.

I'M A LITTLE, I AGREE WITH STICKING WITH A, I DON'T MIND GOING WITH ELECTRIC.

I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF IT BEING TOWED TO PHOENIX TO HAVE TO FIX SOMETHING.

I, WE'LL SEE HOW AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE WORKS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I KNOW WE NEED TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.

I'M WILLING TO LET THIS BE ONE OF THEM, BUT I I JUST HOPE IT WORKS.

THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.

THE, AND THE LIFECYCLE COST IS IM MATERIALLY DIFFERENT TO ME.

SO IT'S NOT THAT AT ALL.

IT'S THE DEPENDABILITY OF IT.

READY? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THIS MUST BE ONE OF THE MORE CONFOUNDING, UH, DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD IN THE YEARS, UH, THAT I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.

UM, JT YOUR CONFOUNDING ON THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, TELLING US THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO HEAR US TALKING ABOUT CARBON, BUT YOU JUST SAID, WHY DON'T YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND OUTSOURCE IT FOR A FEW YEARS? SO IT'S LIKE, WHAT DO YOU WANT? UM, SO, UH, ROXANNE, ONE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, DID WE DO A, A COST ESTIMATE FOR THE, THE COST OF OUTSOURCING? SO WE DID AT THE TIME OF THE DECISION PACKAGE, AND REMIND ME THAT WAS $35,000 PER YEAR.

AND THAT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, A BUDGETARY ESTIMATE.

UM, THAT WAS FOR, I BELIEVE IT INCLUDED POWER WASHING AND SWEEPING OF THE GARAGE.

UH, IT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN MECHANICAL SWEEPING OF THE GARAGE, NOT MANUAL SWEEPING.

IF, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO DO MANUAL SWEEPING OF THE GARAGE, I WOULD IMAGINE THE COST WOULD BE, UH, MUCH GREATER.

SO 30 5K, SO JUST ABOUT THREE KA MONTH.

AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS JUST GARAGE ONLY OR IS THIS ALSO THE OTHER ANCILLARY USES ON SUVS? I BELIEVE IT WAS THE GARAGE AND THE UNDERPASS AND THE UNDERPASS.

NO SUVS.

AND THEN, OKAY, SO 30 5K 15 YEARS, IT'S 525,000.

AND YOU'RE SAYING IN THE DECISION PACKAGE THAT THE 15 YEAR COST IS WHAT? UH, IT WASN'T IN THE DECISION PACKAGE.

IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE JUST EVALUATED THIS WEEK.

UM, SO THE 15 YEAR COST FOR THE DIESEL WAS, I DON'T KNOW WHY I CAN'T MEMORIZE THIS NUMBER AGAIN, A SECOND.

5 4700, 500 40,700.

AND FOR THE, UH, THE EV IT WAS 5 99.

SO ASSUMING $600,000 OVER 15 YEARS, THAT'S 40,000 A YEAR.

AND DO WE HAVE TO HIRE EXTRA STAFF? IS THERE STAFF COST IN THIS? THERE'S NO STAFF COST ON THIS.

HOW'S THERE? NO STAFF COST.

I MEAN, THIS IS NEW WORK THAT'S BEING DONE.

WELL, NO ADDITIONAL STAFF COST THAN OUR, WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

SO THERE NO NEW EMPLOYEES.

WE CAN, WE CAN ABSORB THIS WITHIN OUR EXISTING STAFF COST.

WHERE ARE PARTS AVAILABLE? NOT JUST TAKING IT TO PHOENIX, IT'S ARE THE PARTS IN THE UNITED STATES.

IT'S CONFOUNDING, BUT I CAN SUPPORT THE EV.

SO I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ANNETTE.

I WAS DOING A LITTLE RESEARCH WHILE WE WERE UP HERE, AND ACCORDING TO AI, THE ECV IS A BRAND NEW MODEL ANNOUNCED IN OCTOBER, 2026.

IS THAT, IS, IS AI WRONG? IT SAYS THAT IT WAS, THAT'S A LOADED QUESTION.

THE FIRST NORTH AMERICAN DELIVERY WAS TO THE CITY OF PLEASANTON, CALIFORNIA.

SO THE MULTI HOG EV MINI STREET SWEEPER HAD, ACCORDING TO WHAT I LOOKED UP, UM, ON ONE OF THE DISTRIBUTOR SITES, HAS BEEN AVAILABLE SINCE 2021.

BUT I'M SURE THAT EACH YEAR THEY COME UP WITH THE NEW MODEL NUMBER TO, YOU KNOW, MARKET IT AND SELL IT.

BUT THE EV VERSION OF A MINI STREET SWEEPER MANUFACTURED BY MULTI HOG, OUT OF WHICH IS IN IRELAND, UM, HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 2021.

SO THE MODEL NUMBER MAY BE DIFFERENT EACH YEAR POTENTIALLY, I GUESS.

BUT THE FUNCTION, THE, THE MACHINE ITSELF HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 2021.

I FEEL LIKE WE HAVEN'T DONE OUR HOMEWORK ON THIS AND THAT WE NEED TO FIND OUT FROM, BEFORE WE WOULD MAKE A $300,000, $300,000 PLUS INVESTMENT, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE COMPANY WHAT KIND OF WARRANTY DO WE HAVE, WHAT, WHERE,

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I MEAN, WE NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE WE MAKE THIS INVESTMENT.

I'M INCLINED TO WANNA SUPPORT AN EV MODEL, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S RE I I DON'T THINK WE'D BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE WOULD BE, UH, RESPONSIBLE DOING RESPONSIBLE WORK TO APPROVE SOMETHING IF IN FACT THIS IS TRUE.

AND WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT.

SO I CAN CHIME IN.

I DID SPEAK WITH NORWOOD EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS THE SUPPLIER OF THIS, UH MM-HMM .

MANUFACTURER.

AND THEY HAVE FACILITIES IN PHOENIX.

THEY DO HAVE A MOBILE UNIT THAT COULD COME UP TO SEDONA DEPENDING ON THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING.

UM, AND SO IT WOULD JUST DEPEND ON THE ISSUE, BUT THEY DO HAVE A MOBILE MECHANIC THAT COULD COME UP AND ADDRESS ANY ISSUES.

IT DOES COME WITH A WARRANTY.

I BELIEVE IT'S YOUR STANDARD ONE YEAR WARRANTY, BUT I COULD BE WRONG ON THAT.

I WAS GONNA TRY TO PULL UP THE EXHIBIT REAL QUICK.

DID YOU ASK THEM WHAT THEIR BASE, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY THEY'VE SOLD AND WHERE THEY'VE SOLD THEM AND WHAT THE EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN AND WHAT IS THE BATTERY LIFE AND ALL THESE BASIC QUESTIONS? NO.

SO THAT WAS ALL DECIDED DURING THE DECISION PACKAGE PROCESS.

AND, UM, THIS WAS JUST ME UPDATING COSTS TO PRESENT FOR PURCHASE.

SO ALL THAT RESEARCH WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, WAS IT THE SAME MODEL? YES, YES.

CONFOUNDING IS A GOOD WORD.

I, I DON'T KNOW THAT DURING THE DECISION PACKAGE PROCESS WHETHER OR NOT WE GOT LIKE A WRITTEN QUOTE FOR THE EV MODEL AND WHETHER THAT IS AN UPDATED MODEL OR IF IT WAS A PREVIOUS MODEL OF THAT EV BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE DIESEL MODEL IS THE EXACT SAME AS WAS PRESENTED BACK THEN.

UM, WE WOULD BE BUYING THIS OFF OF A, UM, CONTRACT, A GOVERNMENT APPROVED CONTRACT AS WE BUY A LOT OF OUR EQUIPMENT OFF OF GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE CONTRACTS AT THAT TIME ARE VETTED BY WHOEVER THE LEAD MUNICIPALITY IS THAT'S PUTTING THE CONTRACT ON WHICH WE ARE ALLOWED TO PIGGYBACK.

RIGHT? THAT'S HOW THIS WORKS.

RIGHT? SO, SO THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANOTHER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN THROUGH A GOVERNMENT VETTING PROCESS OF THE CONTRACT TO MEET REQUIREMENTS FOR MUNICIPALITIES LIKE OURS.

IS, IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THIS IS WOULD BE EITHER OPTION HERE WOULD BE PURCHASED THROUGH A SOURCE WELL CONTRACT, WHICH IS A NATIONAL, UM, IF I, SINCE I HAVE THE FLOOR, IF I COULD JUST MAKE A COUPLE OTHER, UM, POINTS IS IF WE DON'T OWN THE EQUIPMENT AND WE'RE LOOKING AT AN OUTSOURCE, BECAUSE THE WAY YOU WERE FIGURING THE NUMBERS BEFORE, UM, VICE MAYOR, IT WAS ALMOST PUN INTENDED TO WASH .

UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT, UH, THE VERSATILITY OF OWNING THE EQUIPMENT, WHICH ALLOWS US TO USE IT ON SHARED USE PATHS TO USE IT MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK IF NECESSARY TO USE IT WHEN A, UH, WEATHER EVENT ARISES, UM, IS, IS THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR THAT.

THERE'S A LOT OF EXTRA VALUE TO OWNING THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT TO GIVE US THAT VERSATILITY.

UH, ALSO IN TERMS OF IF IT WERE, IN TERMS OF THE, THE NO HARM, NO FOUL, IF IT'S HAD A COMMISSION, UM, I AM PLEASED TO HEAR THAT THERE'S A MOBILE UNIT THAT CAN COME UP.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT A POLICE CAR THAT COMES OUT OF USE FROM DAILY, YOU KNOW, RIDES THAT ARE NECESSARY.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD DELAY THE CLEANING BY A WEEK IF IT'S DOWN FOR A WEEK OF REPAIR, A DIESEL VERSION COULD JUST AS EASILY BE UP ON A LIFT FOR A WEEK GETTING A REPAIR TO SOMETHING.

BELIEVE ME, I'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN A LOT WITH EQUIPMENT, UM, IN THE PAST.

SO I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THERE BEING A DOWNSIDE TO THE, THE MAINTENANCE, UM, IN IF IT WAS TEMPORARILY INCAPACITATED.

UH, AGAIN, I THINK THOSE LAST THREE STATEMENTS I'D LIKE MY COLLEAGUES TO PLEASE CONSIDER.

DO WE, DO WE KNOW THE DELIVERY TIME ON THE EV VIS-A-VIS THE PARKING GARAGE OPENING? I BELIEVE IT.

I BELIEVE IT WOULD ALIGN.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A INCREDIBLY LONG LEAD TIME.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT OF THAT AS BEING A POTENTIAL DOWNSIDE FOR THE CITY.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE.

BILL, WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS DOWN HERE, MELISSA.

WELL, I JUST WANTED TO THANK COUNCILOR ELLO FOR SAYING WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.

THE NO HARM IS IF A POLICE CAR OR ELECTRIC EV POLICE CAR GOES DOWN, THAT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM FOR THE CITY POTENTIALLY, WHEREAS WE DON'T CLEAN THE GARAGE OR AN SUP.

THAT'S,

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WHEN YOU LOOKED INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING A CONTRACTOR DO THE WORK, YOU SAID THAT IF YOU HADN'T CLEANED THE GARAGE AND THE UNDERPASS MM-HMM .

BUT ISN'T THIS EQUIPMENT ALSO TO CLEAN SUVS? YES.

SO THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL COST? CORRECT.

SO I MEAN, I, I THINK WE BUY IT.

I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO MM-HMM .

CONTRACT IT OUT.

UM, I'M JUST STILL AGAIN CONCERNED TECHNOLOGY WISE.

IT MAY NOT BE A WEEK ON THE LIFT.

IT MAY BE EIGHT WEEKS ON THE LIFT WHILE WE WAIT FOR SOME EXOTIC ELECTRIC PART TO SHOW UP FROM WHEREVER.

SO AGAIN, I GO BACK TO IT'S A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, PROVEN TECHNOLOGY STICK WITH WHAT WE KNOW WORKS.

UM, THIS IS ALSO A LOT OF HAND WRINGING OVER A, OVER A STREET SWEEPER.

UM, WE'RE NOT BUYING A SPACE SHUTTLE.

I JUST WOULD, BARBARA? YES.

UM, Y'ALL, I JUST WANTED, UH, YOU TO KNOW, AND ROXANNE, I KNOW THIS, YOU WEREN'T THERE FOR THIS ITEM AT THE DECISION PACKAGE POINT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS POINTED OUT THAT WAS IMPORTANT IN THE BUY VERSUS CONTRACT, NOT EV VERSUS DIESEL, BUT THE BUY VERSUS CONTRACT WAS CLEANING THE GARAGE THAT'S UNDERNEATH US, WHICH IS REALLY A CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND IT WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND THAT WAS SOMETHING, UM, THAT WAS IMPORTANT IN THAT DISCUSSION.

I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE.

GOOD POINT.

I I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MONIQUE.

I, I'M JUST REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITHOUT US HAVING DONE ANY WORK WITH A CUSTOMER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCE IS AND THEIR, AND I JUST LOOKED AT ANOTHER AI SAID THE SAME THING.

PLEASANT IN CALIFORNIA IS THE SINGLE CUSTOMER IN THE UNITED STATES.

SO IF MY COLLEAGUES AGREED, COULD WE TABLE THIS TILL TOMORROW? 'CAUSE WE, OR IS IT TOO LATE BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE AN AGENDA PRINTED FOR TOMORROW, BUT THIS IS ON OUR AGENDA TODAY AND CALL PLEASANTON AND FIND OUT WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCE IS BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE.

WHAT IS THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT? I WOULD SAY THIS CANNOT BE, UH, TABLED TILL TOMORROW.

IF WE RUN SHORT OF THE MEETING AND WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THREE AGENDA ITEMS, WE HAVEN'T GOT TO, THE COUNCIL IS ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, STOP THE MEETING AND CONTINUE THE ITEMS THAT THEY DIDN'T FINISH, UH, ON THE NEXT DATE.

BUT UNDER THE, UH, THE, UM, OPEN MEETING, UH, RULES, YOU, YOU CAN'T REALLY JUST TABLE ONE ITEM.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THE AGENDA IS TABLED OR YOU COULD JUST TABLE IT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING ON OCTOBER 27TH WOULD BE ANOTHER OPTION.

SO WE CAN CONTINUE IT TO THE, TO 27TH, BUT WE CAN'T CONTINUE UNTIL TOMORROW.

AND SO TO UNDERSTAND THE RELIABILITY THROUGH CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE IS WORTH THE TIME.

SO WHAT IS THE URGENCY OF THE PURCHASE? IS IT AVAILABLE? COULD IT BE HERE? YOU KNOW, WHEN, SO THE QUOTATION, UM, IS VALID FOR 30 DAYS.

SO IT IS TECHNICALLY EXPIRED BASED ON THE DATE THAT IT'S THERE BECAUSE THIS HAD TO BE TABLED, UH, BEFORE.

BUT, UM, SO THERE'S A RISK OF PRICE CHANGES BECAUSE IT'S COMING INTERNATIONALLY.

THERE COULD BE SOME TARIFFS.

AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE PROCESS.

WE'RE ABOUT TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.

WHEN WAS THE, WELL, THE QUOTE WAS, UH, DATED 8 28.

AND SO THEY'VE, THEY'VE AGREED TO HOLD THAT QUOTE TILL TODAY, YOU KNOW, UNTIL TODAY.

BUT, SO WE COULD LET THEM KNOW THAT IT WAS APPROVED TO, YOU KNOW, TOMORROW OR IF, IF IT'S NOT APPROVED, WE, THEY MAY REQUIRE US TO GET AN, AN UPDATED QUOTE.

THAT WOULD BE ONE RISK.

I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

UM, IN TERMS OF DELIVERY, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS A, UM, LONG LEAD TIME ON THIS, ON EITHER OPTION.

UM, AND WITH THE, THE ANTICIPATED DATE OF THE GARAGE OPENING, I THINK WE WOULD BE OKAY TO, TO DELAY FOR TWO WEEKS FOR AN ORDER.

MADAM MAYOR, IF THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, IT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL TO STAFF TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SPECIFIC ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU WOULD LIKE US TO GATHER BEFORE THE 27TH.

BESIDES THE, IF THERE'S SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST CUSTOMER OPINION.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE, EXCUSE ME, WHERE COUNCIL IS AT THIS POINT.

I, I AM, I AM READY.

AGAIN, I FEEL THAT THIS HAS BEEN VETTED THROUGH GOVERNMENT SOURCING.

I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT'S BEEN LOOKED AT BY STAFF.

I THINK EVERY TIME WE ASK A QUESTION, ROXANNE HAS THE ANSWER.

SO JUST 'CAUSE WE THINK THAT WE DON'T HAVE IT, DOESN'T MEAN IT HASN'T BEEN RESEARCHED.

I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A, A, A MOTION TO PURCHASE AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE.

BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ALL ARE, BUT YOU WANTED TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE.

SO THAT'S WHERE I AM, CHARLOTTE.

RELIABILITY IS THE NUMBER ONE THING FOR ME.

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IT'S WORTH A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

'CAUSE IF IT GOES DOWN EVERY THREE MONTHS, IT'S JUST NOT WORTH IT.

I, I'M FINE WITH DEFERRING FOR TWO WEEKS.

I'M ALSO FINE.

AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE EV, JUST, OR SHOULD ALSO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT PLEASANTON IS THE ONLY ONE.

JUST 'CAUSE AI SAYS SO.

DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE.

SO I DID TWO AI, TWO DIFFERENT AIS.

BUT IT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE BOTH, EITHER ONE OF THEM IS YEAH.

THE OTHER INFORMATION MIGHT NOT BE PUBLIC.

UM, AND THEREFORE NOT PUBLICLY AVAILABLE TO THE AI.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, RELIABILITY IS ALSO SOMETHING YOU CAN TALK TO THEM ABOUT.

LIKE HOW RELIABLE HAS, HAS THE EV BEEN, WHAT'S THE LENGTH OF TIME, UH, A LOVE EFFECT TO HAVE A MOBILE GUY.

'CAUSE THAT REALLY IS USEFUL WHEN SOMETHING GOES AWRY.

SO, I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH TWO WEEKS AS LONG AS COUNCIL HAS HEARD ROXANNE CLEARLY THAT IF WE DECIDE NOT TO GO WITH AN EV, BUT WITH THE DIESEL, HER QUOTE IS NO LONGER RELIABLE AS FAR AS THE COST IS CONCERNED AND IT COULD CHANGE.

IS THAT, THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD THAT.

IT'S NOT GUARANTEED.

IT WILL, BUT NOT GUARANTEED.

IT WON'T.

YOU KNOW, IT SAYS ON THE QUOTE THAT IT'S VALID FOR 30 DAYS.

I TOLD THEM WHEN OUR COUNCIL DATE WAS, AND HE SAID WE COULD HOLD THAT.

BUT IF IT'S MUCH, THAT WAS THE QUOTE THAT WAS FROM NORWOOD EQUIPMENT FOR THE DIESEL AND THE EV OR JUST THE DIESEL? UH, JUST THE, UH, WELL, THE QUOTE IS DATED FOR THE DIESEL IS 8 28.

LET ME SEE WHAT THE MAYOR, ONE SECOND.

SHE'S LOOKING FOR THAT.

COULD I MAKE A SUGGESTION IF COUNCIL WANTED TO APPROVE THIS TONIGHT AND MAKE IT CONTINGENT ON A SATISFACTORY, UH, CHECK OF REFERENCES TOMORROW? ANDY, CAN I, OH, MY EARS ARE REALLY PLUGGED UP.

IS THIS MINE? OH, YEAH.

SO, SO I WAS SUGGESTING IF COUNSEL WANTED TO APPROVE TONIGHT CONTINGENT ON A SATISFACTORY CHECK OF REFERENCES STAFF WOULD CONDUCT TOMORROW, UH, WE COULD CERTAINLY CARRY THAT OUT AND REPORT BACK TO COUNSEL WHAT OUR FINDINGS ARE.

SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 9TH.

ROXANNE, DO YOU HAVE THE DATE FOR THE EV QUOTE? SO THE EV QUOTE WAS DATED SEPTEMBER 9TH.

SO 30 DAYS OVER 30 DAYS AGO.

OH, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER.

THEY'RE BOTH IN THAT SENSE.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE BOTH, THEY'RE BOTH GREATER THAN 30 DAYS OLD, SO, OKAY.

BUT BOTH ARE STILL VALID FOR NO, AS FAR AS YOUR CONVERSATION, AS FAR AS OUR CONVERSATION HOLD UNTIL TONIGHT WITH WHAT WE PROPOSED TONIGHT.

WELL, THE, NOW IF IT'S DELAYED, IF THE DECISION IS DELAYED FOR TWO WEEKS, THERE'S A RISK THAT THE QUOTE MIGHT CHANGE BOTH OF THEM.

BUT IF ANDY'S SUGGESTION, IF WE WANTED TO APPROVE IT PENDING THE SATISFACTORY REFERENCE CHECKS, YOU WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULD ABIDE BY THAT? I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK.

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MM-HMM .

FOR THAT.

BUT I WOULD ASSUME IF THEY, IF THEY HAVE A COUNCIL APPROVAL AND WE COULD START THE ORDER ON A CONTINGENT BASIS, I WOULD ASSUME THAT WOULD BE ALL RIGHT.

IS THAT WHAT YOU WANNA DO? I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT I MEAN, YOU START ASKING AND THEY SAY, NO, WE, WE, WE'RE NOT GONNA ASK THEM FOR THE REFERENCES.

WE'RE GONNA ASK THEM FOR THEIR CLIENTS AND WE'RE GONNA CALL THEIR CLIENTS.

RIGHT? WELL, NO, WE, WE, THE ROYAL THE STAFF.

YOU, CHARLOTTE, YOU SPECIFICALLY.

WE WOULD REACH OUT TO THE SUPPLIER.

UM, MY GAELIC IS REALLY NOT THAT GREAT, BUT, UM, I'M JUST SAYING WHEN YOU ASK THAT KIND OF A QUESTION, WHEN ONE ASKS IT, YOU MAY GET SOME EQUIVOCATION.

YOU MAY NOT GET A FIRM, WELL, THEN WE'LL KNOW.

RIGHT? WELL, THEN WE'LL KNOW.

BUT WE'VE ALREADY PENDING HOW WILL WE PENDING SATISFACTORY AND HOW WILL WE DETERMINE SATISFACTORY, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION.

OR THEY'LL GIVE YOU THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE THEY KNOW HAVE NOT HAD ANY TROUBLE WITH THE EQUIPMENT, AND THEY WON'T GIVE YOU THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE WHO DID SO.

SO WE RUN INTO THIS AT, IN, IN, AT, IN WASTEWATER A LOT.

SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS THAT WE CONSIDER FOR INSTALLING VARIOUS EQUIPMENTS, UH, FROM THE SUPPLIERS, NOT THE ACTUAL MANUFACTURER FROM THE SUPPLIER.

WE ASK FOR A LIST OF OWNERS OR, OR TREATMENT PLANTS THAT HAVE A SPECIFIC EQUIPMENT INSTALLED.

AND THEN WE REACH OUT TO THEM DIRECTLY.

AND IN EVERY CASE THAT I HAVE EVER REACHED OUT TO ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY, THEY ARE BRUTALLY HONEST ABOUT THE PLUSES AND THE MINUSES OF THE OPERATION OF, OF THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

SO WE WOULD REACH OUT TO NORWOOD EQUIPMENT, NOT MULTI HOG FOR A LIST OF, OF PEOPLE MM-HMM .

CLIENTS.

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NOW, THE SUPPLIER NORWOOD EQUIPMENT SUPPLIES A VARIETY OF MANUFACTURERS SO THAT YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TOO MUCH SKIN IN THE GAME AS, AS DIRECT AS THE MANUFACTURER WOULD, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

MM-HMM.

SOME, BUT NOT, BUT WE WOULD CALL THE CLIENTS ALSO, RIGHT? THAT'S, YES.

I, I WOULD NOT ASK NORWOOD FOR OPERATIONAL, UM, SATISFACTION.

I WOULD ASK CLIENTS DIRECTLY.

I WOULD JUST ASK THEM FOR A LISTING OF THE CLIENTS THAT OWN IT.

SO IS THAT WHAT YOU WANNA DO? I THINK THAT'S FINE.

AND IF SOMETHING COMES BACK THAT'S NOT SATISFACTORY OR THAT'S NEUTRAL OR THEN IT WOULD APPEAR BACK IN THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT.

AND, UM, AGAIN, FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, THIS IS IN RELATION TO THE ELECTRIC MODEL OR, OR BOTH? I CAN'T, IS THIS, UH, FOR CLARIFICATION, IS THIS RELATED TO THE ELECTRIC MODEL? YES.

OR BOTH MODELS? THE ELECTRIC, THE ELECTRIC.

I COULD MAKE A MOTION.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF ONE MULTI HOG ECB ELECTRIC SWEEPER FROM NORWOOD EQUIPMENT INC.

PURSUANT TO SOURCEFUL CONTRACT NUMBER 1, 1 1 5 2 2 MUL IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $331,404 AND 41 CENTS CONTINGENT UPON A SATISFACTORY REVIEW FROM A USER CLIENT.

AND TWO, THAT THE PRICE QUOTED IS STILL IN EFFECT.

ARE YOU SAYING FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? HMM.

FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

CAN WE MAKE IT PLURAL? YEAH.

CLIENTS I HEARD SINGULAR, LIKE ONE REFERENCE ONLY.

I MEAN, FINE.

LET'S MAKE AN OPTIONAL S WITH PARENTHESES ACCEPTED.

GOT THAT, JOE, I'LL GET IT TO HER.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

WHO'S PRESENTING ON THE NEXT ITEM ON THE SPORTS FIELD? THAT'S ME AGAIN.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

DID YOU VOTE? UH, YOU VOTE NA NAY OPPOSED? OKAY.

[9.c. AB 3396 Discussion/possible direction for maintenance of the sports fields at Sedona Red Rock High School.]

OH, IT'S YOU? YES.

IS THIS, I'M TRYING TO GAUGE WHEN WE SHOULD TAKE A BREAK.

IS THIS LONG? UH, I, MY, MY DISC, MY PRESENTATION OF IT WILL BE BRIEF AND IT'S UP TO US.

SHE'S SAYING YES.

I GET THAT.

IT'S, IT'S IN YOUR CONTROL.

AB 33 96.

DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE SPORTS FIELDS AT SEDONA RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL.

ROXANNE, OVER TO YOU.

REMEDIATION OF THE BASEBALL FIELD.

UH, MAYOR, COUNSELORS.

SO, UH, THIS EVENING WE ARE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE KEEP, UH, MAINTENANCE, UH, REMEDIATION OF THE BASEBALL FIELD AND ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF THE BASEBALL FIELD AT SEDONA RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL.

IF WE DO PERFORM THAT IN-HOUSE, OR IF WE GO AHEAD AND CONTRACT THAT OUT, UH, THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS ITEM PRESENTED TO YOU WAS BACK IN AUGUST.

AND AT THAT TIME, WE PRESENTED OPTIONS FOR ALL THREE FIELDS.

WE PRESENTED OPTION FOR ONE ONLY FIELD, BUT THAT FIELD WASN'T IDENTIFIED.

THERE WAS A LOT OF UNKNOWNS AT THAT TIME IN COUNSEL HAD DIRECTED US TO COME BACK WITH A COST FOR JUST THE BASEBALL FIELD AND FOR THE TURF ON THE, THE, THE MAIN FOOTBALL FIELD THERE.

SO WE'VE DONE THAT.

UM, AND, UH, IN THE AGENDA BILL, YOU'LL SEE A, A SUMMARY TABLE.

UM, OUR ONE-TIME COSTS AND ANNUAL MAINTENANCE FOR DOING THIS IN-HOUSE IS GREATER THAN CONTRACTING THAT OUT.

AND THAT IS DUE TO REQUIRE A REQUIREMENT FOR ANOTHER FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE TO TAKE ON THIS WORK.

IT'S ALSO, UM, THERE'S SOME NEED FOR ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE, UH, TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE THAT AND, AND COMPLETE THAT WORK.

WE ALSO DO NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITY OR THE EXPERTISE TO DO, UH, TURF MAINTENANCE.

THAT'S A SPECIALIZED FIELD THAT WE FEEL SHOULD JUST BE CONTRACTED OUT REGARDLESS.

UM, THE ONE TIME COSTS FOR, UH, A CONTRACTOR DID INCREASE FROM WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY HAD.

UM, IT'S ESTIMATED AT 2 63, 2 70 FOR, FOR THE ONE TIME COST.

AND THIS IS JUST FOR

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SO THE CONDITION OF THAT FIELD, SINCE THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED BACK IN APRIL WITH THE DECISION PACKAGE, UM, HAS DETERIORATED THE IRRIGATION, UM, HAS BEEN, UH, THE, THE FIELD HASN'T BEEN IRRIGATED.

NOW WITH OUR RECENT RES, THERE COULD BE SOME IMPROVEMENT TO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW.

WE HAVEN'T EVALUATED IT SINCE THIS AGENDA BILL WAS TURNED IN.

BUT, UM, SO THERE'S ADDITIONAL EFFORTS NEEDED TO BRING THAT FIELD UP TO, TO PAR FOR THEN IN ONGOING MAINTENANCE.

NOW, THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE, UM, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS IS JUST SHY OF $50,000 A YEAR, WHICH WE FEEL IS A REASONABLE, UM, COST AND MUCH LESS THAN WHAT WE COULD DO IN HOUSE FOR THE TURF.

UM, THE FOOTBALL AND SOCCER TURF, UH, ONE TIME COST WOULD BE $4,001.

WE ACTUALLY COMPLETED THAT WORK BECAUSE THEY HAD AN ACTIVE FOOTBALL SEASON, WHICH WAS UNSAFE FOR THEIR FOOTBALL PEOPLE.

WE, UH, THEY OBTAINED A QUOTE FROM A COMPANY THAT WE JUST APPROVED.

WE FELT LIKE THE $4,000 COST AND, AND THE FACT THAT WE HAD DIRECTION TO GO AHEAD AND, AND DO THIS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE FELT IT WAS OKAY TO DO THAT.

UH, THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE FOR THAT FOOTBALL AND SOCCER TURF IS MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT $4,000, BECAUSE THAT'S A ONCE A MONTH, UM, CLEANING OF THAT.

AND THEN I BELIEVE A ONCE A YEAR, UM, KIND OF GREATER REMEDIATION OF THAT TURF.

SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONTRACT THIS OUT AND, UM, AND THEN COME FORWARD WITH THE IGA, UH, AFTERWARDS TO, TO DEFINE THE TERMS OF HOW LONG WE DO THIS OR WHATEVER.

MAYOR CHARLOTTE.

UM, IS THERE SOMEONE HERE WHO CAN SPEAK TO THE, THE PUBLIC BENEFIT ASPECT OF IT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPENDITURE? SO AT THE LAST MEETING, JOSH DID, UM, IDENTIFY THAT HE COULD USE, UTILIZE THE BASEBALL FIELD FOR A LITTLE LEAGUE, UM, UM, ORGANIZATION TO PRACTICE ON.

SAME WITH THE SOCCER AND TURF FIELD.

THE INITIAL, UM, DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THEY ALSO SAID THAT WE, THE CITY WOULD HAVE USE AND THE PUBLIC WOULD HAVE USE OF THESE FACILITIES OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL HOURS AND OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL EVENTS.

SO WOULD BE PART OF THE IGA.

AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT PUBLIC BENEFIT BALANCE.

I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNSEL HAD DECIDED, UH, DURING, UM, THE BUDGET PROCESS.

UH, AND COUNSEL HAD RECEIVED ADVICE ON THAT.

SO THE, UH, THIS WAS A DECISION MADE BY COUNCIL.

SO WE'RE JUST PROCEEDING WITH EIGA AND GETTING ALL OF OUR DUCKS IN A ROW AS DIRECTED FROM THE BUDGET MEETING.

COULD I PIGGYBACK ON THAT? SURE.

SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ADEQUATE CONSIDERATION PRONG, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE, THE TERM, UM, THESE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SHORTER THAN THE MAY, 2028.

I HAD THE SAME QUESTION THAT I WAS GONNA RAISE ONLY BECAUSE, UM, WHEN WE DID DISCUSS IT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE BALLPARK FIGURE, AND AGAIN, THIS WAS MATH ON THE BACK OF A NAPKIN, IT REALLY WAS, WAS $197,000.

WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT ONE TIME COST OF 2 63, 2 70, PLUS AN ONGOING COST OF 79,620, BRINGING US UP TO JUST FOR THE ONE YEAR 3 42 8 90, WHICH IS A SHORT FULL OF $145,890.

SO MY QUESTION WAS, I WAS QUITE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS THINKING THAT WE, THE PUBLIC BENEFIT, ABSOLUTELY, WE WERE GETTING LIKE $200,000 WORTH OF PUBLIC BENEFIT WITH HOW THIS WOULD BE OPEN AND AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC USE.

BUT MY QUESTION IS, SINCE THE VALUE HAS CHANGED, IS THAT, DOES IT APPLY NOW THAT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT? DO WE FEEL THAT WE'RE GETTING $350,000 WORTH OF PUBLIC BENEFIT BY, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S THE QUESTION, RIGHT? IS THAT, WAS THAT WHERE YOU WERE GOING WITH IT? SO THAT'S, WELL, AS YOU KNOW, THE, UH, GIFT CLAUSE IS A TWO-PRONGED TEST.

THE, THE FIRST IS, UM, PUBLIC PURPOSE, AND THE SECOND IS ADEQUATE CONSIDERATION.

THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS.

SO THE IGA THAT WE HAVEN'T YET PROVIDED TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, BECAUSE WE'RE STILL GETTING THE ADDITIONAL SCOPES TOGETHER.

SO THE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO IGAS WITH THE SCHOOL, ONE FOR THE POOL, AND ONE FOR, UM, SHARING OF FACILITIES.

WE'RE GOING TO COMBINE THOSE INTO ONE IGA AND ADD THE, THE NEW SCOPES, THE CURRENT IGA EXPIRES AT THE END OF MAY, 2028 WITH ONE OPTIONAL ONE YEAR RENEWAL.

AND THAT APPLIES TO THE POOL AND THE FACILITIES, THE SCHOOL, UM, FIELD MAINTENANCE AND THE ADDITIONAL NEW SCOPES THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL.

WHETHER WE WANT THOSE TO BE JUST FOR ONE YEAR OR TWO YEAR, OR WE WANT THOSE TO BE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, MAY OF 2028 WITH THE POSSIBLE ONE YEAR RENEWAL.

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THEY COULD BE LONGER.

UH, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT LEVEL YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH OF THE AMOUNT WE SPEND VERSUS THE CONSIDERATION THAT COMES BACK TO THE, UH, THE CITY.

THAT WAS GONNA BE ANOTHER ONE OF MY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY ANSWERED.

UM, I, I DO THINK THAT, I'M TRYING TO POSE THIS AS A QUESTION INSTEAD OF A COMMENT, BUT THERE'S IS, DO YOU SEE A VALUE TO HAVING A, AN EXPIRATION ON THIS? 'CAUSE I THINK I DO.

SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT, UM, SO THAT IT CAN FORCE IT BACK FOR, 'CAUSE I DON'T, THE POOL ENDED UP BEING A TEMPORARY CONTRACT THAT HAS JUST SORT OF BEEN ADOPTED IN PERPETUITY BY THE CITY BECAUSE WITH THESE RENEWALS, AND WE DON'T EVER REALLY REDISCUSS THAT ABOUT ARE WE RENEWING THAT CONTRACT? WHERE ARE WE? I MEAN, I THINK IT'S ALL FINE.

I'M GLAD THAT WE HAVE THAT AND OFFER IT, BUT I'M JUST WANNA KNOW HOW TO FACTOR THIS IN.

I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF SOMETHING THAT FORCES IT BACK INTO DISCUSSION.

AND I THINK SUNSET DATES ON THE CONTRACTS ACCOMPLISH THAT.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT, MONIQUE? YEAH, THE, THE IGAS, UM, THE, THE POOL AND THE FACILITIES, UH, COUNCIL WILL DEFINITELY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, IN 2028, UM, MARCH, 2028, UH, WILL WILL BRING THAT TO YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THE END OF 2027 TO DISCUSS YOUR THOUGHTS ON ANY AMENDMENTS TO, TO THAT WITH THESE NEW SCOPE OF WORK.

IT'S NOT JUST THE FIELD MAINTENANCE, IT'S ALSO THE, UM, EXTENDED AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS AND, AND A FEW OTHER THINGS AS WELL.

SO THOSE, UM, WHEN WE BRING THE IGA TO YOU, UH, IN A FUTURE MEETING, THEN IT'LL BE UP TO COUNCIL TO DETERMINE IF YOU WANT THOSE ON THE SAME SCHEDULE OR A DIFFERENT SCHEDULE.

UM, WHEN, WHEN, UH, JOSH IS NOT HERE TODAY, BUT JOSH IS THE ONE THAT COULD OPINE ON, YOU KNOW, THE VALUE TO THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A, A LITTLE LEAGUE LEAGUE, UM, TO HAVE BASEBALL COMPETITIONS.

YOU KNOW, HE'S OPINED PREVIOUSLY IN COUNCIL MEETINGS ABOUT THE LACK OF BASEBALL FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE.

SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT, THAT JOSH FEELS ARE TRUE BENEFITS TO THE CITY SINCE WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF THOSE TYPES OF FIELDS.

BUT THE TIMING, WHETHER YOU WANNA FUND, FUND IT FOR ONE YEAR, TWO YEAR, THEN HAND IT BACK TO THE SCHOOL, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT, THAT WE CAN, UH, DISCUSS WHEN THE IGA, UH, COME, COMES TO YOU.

YOU COULD GIVE CERTAINLY DIRECTION THIS EVENING, UM, RELATED TO THE FIELDS THAT WE COULD PUT IN THE IGA FOR THE SCHOOL'S CONSIDERATION.

UM, BECAUSE, UH, AS I SAID, WE, WE'VE DRAFTED THE IGA, WE JUST HAVEN'T PROVIDED IT TO THE SCHOOL.

'CAUSE WE WERE WAITING FOR, UH, TONIGHT'S CONVERSATION.

WELL, THAT, WELL, THAT'S MY QUESTION.

WOULD WE, WE WOULDN'T GO AHEAD WITH THIS UNTIL WE HAD AN IGA, CORRECT? THAT THAT IS CORRECT.

I MEAN, WE DEFINITELY WENT AHEAD WITH, UH, FOR THE SAFETY PURPOSES, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, THAT SMALL DOLLAR CONTRACT.

BUT WE HAVEN'T GONE FORWARD WITH ANYTHING ELSE AT THIS POINT.

UH, ALTHOUGH I BELIEVE JOSH HAS DONE SOME ADDITIONAL AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, INCREDIBLE BENEFIT TO THE CITY AND OUR RESIDENTS.

I, I THINK I WAS LOOKING AT THE, UH, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU, ROXANNE, AT THE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE, AND WAS IT MONTHLY? I MISSPOKE.

I WOULD JUST, I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO QUANTIFY, YOU KNOW, THE VALUE OF HAVING LITTLE LEAGUE, UH, OFFERINGS AND SO FORTH.

I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT WITH A, A REVIEW AT A CERTAIN POINT, YOU KNOW, AT A POINT CERTAIN, I JUST POINT OUT THAT MARCH OF 28 IS THE, IN THE BUDGET CYCLE.

THAT WILL BEGIN DISCUSSION IN DECEMBER, OF THIS YEAR, IT WILL BE FROM JULY 1ST OF 27 THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF 28.

SO PRETTY SOON YOU'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING THAT AGAIN ANYWAY, FOR WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH.

WELL, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

ALWAYS PUT A PLACEHOLDER, SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

UH, AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR KINSELLA, WE NEED TO, SUNSET DATES ARE GOOD TO FORCE CONVERSATIONS INSTEAD OF HAVING THINGS THAT JUST CONTINUE AT INFINITUM WITHOUT ANY REVIEW OR AMENDMENTS OR ADJUSTMENTS.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN PARTICULAR FOR THE FIELDS, THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT BEFORE WE WOULD, UM, FINALIZE THE, THE IGA, WE'D WANNA GET THE SCHOOL'S INPUT.

IF THE CITY SPENDS, UM, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY, UH, GETTING THE FIELDS INTO SHAPE, AND THEN WE, UH, HAND IT BACK TO THE SCHOOL FOR THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE, IS THAT SOMETHING THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD? IF NOT, THEN, THEN ALL OF OUR, YOU KNOW, EFFORTS GETTING THE FIELDS INTO SHAPE WILL WILL BE FOR NAUGH.

SO THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS.

SO, SO FOR, FOR TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, ROXANNE WANTED TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, THE RESULTS OF HER RESEARCH ONTO THE COST.

UM,

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YEAH, I SAID MONTHLY, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY WEEKLY MAINTENANCE.

THIS PROPOSAL WEEKLY MAINTEN.

YEAH, THAT SOUNDED TO ME LIKE IT WAS, SO IT'S A LOT OF MAINTENANCE.

I MEAN, WE DO THAT AT OUR PARKS AND WE DO THAT EVERYWHERE.

AND, AND THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR, FOR MOWING AND WEEDING.

WHEN YOU'RE IRRIGATING TURF LIKE THIS, IT REQUIRES REGULAR MAINTENANCE OR .

AND THAT'S STANDARD WEEKLY.

THAT'S WHAT WE DO AT OUR PARKS AS WELL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE A CARD, BEN TWO ON THIS ITEM, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

OPENING THE PUBLIC FORUM FOR YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM.

UH, MY NAME IS BEN MILLER.

UM, GREW UP IN SEDONA, AND, UH, CURRENTLY LIVE IN SCOTTSDALE.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

I'M MADAM MAYOR.

UM, MAYOR ELECT FUL, AND THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

UM, JUST REAL QUICK, AND MAYBE I'M, UH, OUTTA LINE AND REALLY EVEN, UH, SUGGESTING THIS, BUT SO WA WAS THERE A, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WAS AN EVALUATION, I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE WAS OF, INSTEAD OF DOING, INSTEAD OF NOT DOING TURF AT THE BASEBALL FIELD, LIKE THE FOOTBALL FIELD'S TURF, WHICH CLEARLY THE MAINTENANCE ON THE BASEBALL FIELD OVER TIME WOULD BE THEORETICALLY BE LESS.

UM, WAS THERE AN EVALUATION OF TURF ON THE BASEBALL FIELD RELATIVE TO NOT DOING TURF AND WHAT THAT NUMBER LOOKED LIKE? UM, I'VE, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE SCHOOL ON THE OLD BASEBALL FIELD AT THE WEST SCHOOL AND HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR TURNING THAT BASEBALL FIELD, UH, INTO A TURF ENVIRONMENT.

AND I, SO I GOT COSTS ON THAT.

AND SO I HAVE A GENERAL IDEA ON WHAT IT COSTS.

AND SO, UM, I THINK THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE POTENTIALLY, LIKE MATCHING FUNDS.

UM, THERE'S EVEN FOLKS THAT I'VE TALKED TO ABOUT THE BASEBALL FIELD THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY GET INVOLVED WITH FUNDRAISING TO GET FUNDS.

SO THE SCHOOL DIDN'T HAVE TO COME OUT OF POCKET NECESSARILY FOR ALL THE COSTS.

SO I, I JUST THINK THAT IN MY MIND, TURF POTENTIALLY COULD BE A REALLY NICE SOLUTION THERE.

UM, BUT AGAIN, I'M SURE THERE WAS AN EVALUATION DONE.

THERE'S PROBABLY A REASON WHY YOU DIDN'T WANT TO GO THAT DIRECTION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF MAKE THAT COMMENT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT TURF WAS ANALYZED IN THE EVALUATION OF THE, OF THE BASEBALL FIELD.

AND THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS IN THE, IN THE PUBLIC, UM, PART OF THE, UH, PROCESS AND THE BENEFITS TO THE PUBLIC, I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE'S STILL THE SAME, UH, CONCEPT WITH THE FOOTBALL FIELD.

THAT EVENTS CAN'T HAPPEN ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD.

SO ANY PUBLIC BENEFIT WOULD BE ON THE BASEBALL FIELD, I WOULD ASSUME IS, WOULD BE THE PUBLIC BENEFIT PIECE OF THAT.

'CAUSE IF IT WAS ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S POTENTIALLY, UH, SOME OTHER PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT THAT COULD BE, UM, REALIZED, UM, IN THE FUTURE.

SO THAT'S IT.

GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS.

I APPRECIATE IT.

AND I HAVE ANOTHER CARD.

TIM PERRY.

JUST TO ADJUST ONE OF THE QUESTIONS BACK WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS WITH JOSH, HE DID, UM, INCLUDE THE FACT THAT WE WOULD HAVE USE AS A COMMUNITY FOR THE FOOTBALL FIELD, FOR THE TURF SIDE, UM, WHETHER THAT WAS FOR OTHER SOCCER LEAGUES OR FOR FOOTBALL, OR FOR JUST EVENTS, UM, THAT WE, WE WOULD HAVE USE OF THAT AS A COMMUNITY TO JUST ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

I, IT'S QUITE FRANKLY, OBSCENE THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS ALREADY SPENT PUBLIC FUNDS AND IS PROPOSING TO SPEND EVEN MORE PUBLIC FUNDS ON TONY HAMAN'S CHILD ABUSE PROGRAM TO TRAIN KIDS TO COMMIT MURDER, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT FOOTBALL IS, DROP THIS WHOLE PROPOSAL.

WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT WANTING TO DO THINGS TO MAKE SEDONA ATTRACTIVE TO FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO.

UM, I DO AGREE WITH COUNCILOR KINSELLA AND HAVING A SUNSET SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK AND MAKE SURE THE MONEY MONEY'S ACTUALLY BEING SPENT AND THAT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS ACTUALLY BEING REAPED.

UM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE, THERE'S NO MATHEMATICAL FORMULA THAT'S GONNA TELL US WHAT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, FOOTBALL OR BASEBALL OR, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN PUT INTO A CALCULATOR.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO JUST KIND OF DECIDE FOR OURSELVES, UM, WITH, OF COURSE, MONIQUE'S INPUT IF WE'RE CROSSING THE LINE AT SOME POINT.

BUT I DO SUPPORT THIS.

AWESOME.

SO I ALSO SUPPORT THIS, UM,

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SO IT'S NOT JUST THE, UM, BALL FIELD, BUT, UH, I, I THINK WE, AGAIN, I AGREE WITH, WITH WHAT DEREK HAD TO SAY, I THINK THERE IS PUBLIC BENEFIT, UM, THAT WE, IT'S INTANGIBLE, UM, IN WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE COME AND WALK AROUND OUR SCHOOL AND GO, WOW, THIS IS A HORRIBLE PLACE.

I DON'T THINK I WANT MY KIDS GOING HERE.

UM, THAT HAS AN IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY AND THE REPUTATION OF OUR COMMUNITY.

SO I'M IN FAVOR.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, CHARLOTTE? I'M IN FAVOR WITH FOR THE SAME REASONS AND THE SAME CAVEATS.

WE READY FOR A MOTION? DID YOU WANNA SPEAK? DITTO.

WHAT DEREK SAID.

WE'RE ALL DITTO.

ONE QUESTION.

DO WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE SUNSET IN ANY OF THIS? I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THIS IS ABOUT GETTING THE QUOTES.

I'M SORRY.

SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT IN HERE.

YOU'VE BEEN DIRECTED AS PART OF THE CONTRACT, THE IGA GOING FORWARD, RIGHT? SO THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE INCLUDED.

THAT WILL COME TO YOU WHEN WE BRING THE IGA TO YOU, UH, IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

MOTION MAYOR, THIS IS FOR DIRECTION.

THIS ITEM, IT STILL SAYS I MOVE TO, OKAY, FINE.

THAT WORKS.

MELISSA, I MOVE TO DIRECT STAFF TO OBTAIN BIDS FOR CONTRACTING OUT ONE TIME REMEDIATION OF SEDONA RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL BASEBALL FIELD, AND ANNUAL MAINTENANCE OF THE BASEBALL FIELD AND THE FOOTBALL SLASH SOCCER TURF.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

AND NOW WE'LL TAKE A BREAK.

20 MINUTES.

FROM ALL THE MEETINGS THAT THEY HAD AND DEVELOPED THE STRATEGIC PLAN BASED ON GOALS THAT THEY PLACED INTO THREE YEARS.

WE'RE BACK.

[9.d. AB 3348 Discussion/quarterly update regarding the Sedona Police Department Strategic Plan 2026-2029, with possible action to approve the addition of a full-time Public Information Officer to the Communications Division mid-fiscal year.]

33 48.

DISCUSSION QUARTERLY UPDATE REGARDING THE SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT STRATEGIC PLAN 2026 TO 2029 WITH POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE ADDITION OF A FULL-TIME PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER TO THE COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION MID FISCAL YEAR.

STEPHANIE, UH, CHIEF, IS IT YOU DOING THE PRESENTATION? JULIE, BARBARA, IT'S ALL, ALL THAT LUCKY, DEPENDING ON THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD.

SO, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNSELORS, VICE MAYORS, NOT YOU.

SO I'LL, I'LL WELCOME THEM BACK IN A MINUTE.

UM, BUT, UH, WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TONIGHT IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED ON JUNE 9TH WHEN THIS WAS ADOPTED, THAT WE WOULD DO QUARTERLY UPDATES.

SO HERE WE ARE ALREADY THREE MONTHS IN FOR THE FIRST WOW.

WHICH IS JUST UNBELIEVABLE.

WE BLINKED AND WE'RE HERE.

BUT, UH, WE ARE, SO PART OF WHEN WE WENT THROUGH WAS ADOPTING THE DOCUMENT.

WE HAVE MADE SOME EDITS TO IT, MOSTLY ON THE, THE LAST TWO PAGES WHERE, UH, WE LOOKED AT HOW THEY HAD SEPARATED OUT YEAR ONE, TWO, AND THREE.

AND WE WENT THROUGH THOSE EDITS.

AND THEN WE ALSO, UM, PICK SOMEBODY THAT'S ON OUR LEADERSHIP TO OVERSEE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS THAT ARE ON YEAR ONE.

SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT A LITTLE MORE.

BUT I KNOW THAT WHEN WE ADOPTED IT, YOU, UM, REALLY WORRIED SOMEWHAT WE'LL SAY ABOUT THE THREE YEAR TERM THAT WE CHOSE.

I STILL FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN GET IT DONE.

BUT OF COURSE, DURING THIS PRESENTATION, WE'RE BACK.

'CAUSE WE DO HAVE AN ASK THAT WE FEEL WILL HELP US CONTINUE TO BE SUCCESSFUL ON SOMETHING THAT WAS GOAL ONE, WHICH HIGHLY FOCUSES ON COMMUNICATION.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER.

MOST OF THE PRESENTATION WILL BE DONE BY ERIN.

SHE'LL INTRODUCE HERSELF AND JULIE.

SO, UM, AT THE END, WE'RE ALL AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

HI, ERIN.

WELCOME.

HI, MADAM MAYOR.

I'M, UH, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M ERIN LOEFFLER.

I'M THE SUPPORT SERVICES MANAGER FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

YOU WANNA? YEAH.

I AM JULIE GRAHAM AND THE COMMUNICATIONS AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS MANAGER.

SO, AS CHIEF FOLEY, UM, ALREADY STATED, WE'RE GONNA GIVE FIRST AN UPDATE ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU, UM, A PREVIEW OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, UM, IN THE FIRST YEAR.

THIS IS OUR FIRST QUARTERLY UPDATE, AND WE'RE GONNA ALSO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE YEAR ONE INITIATIVES.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE, UM, PD PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER POSITION.

SO THE CONSULTING FIRM THAT CAME IN, THEY, UM, TOOK ALL THE FEEDBACK

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AND SO WHAT WE DID WITH THOSE GOALS, AS THE CHIEF STATED, WAS REORGANIZED AND REPRIORITIZE SOME OF THOSE BASED ON RESOURCES AND PRIORITY AND OPERATIONAL NEEDS.

AND EACH OF THESE YEARS WITH THEIR GOALS HAVE INITIATIVES, WHICH IS ARE THERE TO HELP US ACCOMPLISH THESE GOALS.

SO IN THE FIRST YEAR, THE THREE GOALS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS TO IMPROVE ORGANIZATIONAL TRANSPARENCY AND COMMUNICATION, IMPROVE INTERNAL PLANNING AND ORGANIZATIONAL PROCESSES, AND THEN ENHANCE LEADERSHIP AND EMPLOYEE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT AND WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

BUT AS A RECAP, YEAR TWO, THEN WE WILL THEN WORK ON, IN ADDITION TO THESE THREE MODERNIZING TECHNOLOGY AND THE SPD INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEN STABILIZING THE SPD WORKFORCE.

SO WHEN WE REORGANIZED AND REPRIORITIZED THE LAST COUPLE OF PAGES TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO NOW AND WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS BETTER PRIORITY, WE TOOK THOSE INITIATIVES AND REORGANIZED INTO 15 INITIATIVES THAT WE'RE WORKING ON FOR YEAR ONE, NINE FOR YEAR TWO, AND THREE IN YEAR THREE, WHICH WILL THEN COMPLETE THE WHOLE STRATEGIC PLAN.

SO TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SEVEN OF THE FIRST 15 AND WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON IN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED.

SO WE HAVE ALREADY DEVELOPED PROTOCOL FOR COMMUNICATING POST, UM, MEETING SUMMARIES TO THE AGENCY.

WE HAVE DEVELOPED AN INTERNAL OPERATIONAL PLANNING CALENDAR THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT.

IT INCLUDES POLICE DEPARTMENT EVENTS AND CITYWIDE EVENTS.

UM, AND WE'VE ALSO DEVELOPED A, A FORMAL SUPERVISOR TRAINING PROGRAM.

WE FOUND THAT THAT WAS A MORE OF A PRIORITY IN YEAR ONE, THEN IT WAS INITIALLY CATEGORIZED AS YEAR TWO.

UM, AND, UH, THAT WILL BE FINALIZED AND IMPLEMENTED BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.

YESTERDAY.

WE'VE ALSO ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON REBRANDING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS BEING DONE, UH, BY REDESIGNING SOME OF THE, UM, GRAPHICS ON OF OUR PD VEHICLES, NOT ONLY TO ALIGN WITH THE CORE VALUES OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT AS WELL AS WHAT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTED BY THE CITY AS AS WELL.

SO, UM, IN THOSE COLOR SCHEMES.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'RE HERE WITH OUR FIRST QUARTERLY MEETING, UM, AND, UH, TO UPDATE CITY COUNCIL.

AND WE'VE ALSO HAD QUARTERLY MEETINGS ALREADY THAT THE POLICE CHIEF HAS HELD WITH THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT BACK IN JULY TO UPDATE WHERE WE'RE AT ONCE THIS FINALIZED AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING, UM, GOING FORWARD.

AND THESE MEETINGS WILL CONTINUE AS WE, UM, PROGRESS THROUGH THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW IS, UM, WAS THE INITIATIVE TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY THROUGH CONSISTENT STRATEGIC, STRATEGIC COMMUNICATION THROUGH THE UTILIZATION OF A CONSULTING FIRM OR A POLICE DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC PIO.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT NEXT, IS THAT WE ARE REQUESTING A FULL-TIME PD PIO POSITION THAT WILL BE UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE CITY'S COMMUNICATIONS AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS MANAGER.

AND SO I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO JULIE.

SO, UM, HELLO, GOOD EVENING.

THIS IS MY FIRST TIME WITH THE CHANCE TO ADDRESS YOU ALL.

SO THANK YOU, UM, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR HAVING US TONIGHT.

UM, I WANTED TO JUST START AND TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE A, A WHOLE THREE MONTHS.

UM, SO MY GOAL IN THESE THREE MONTHS HAS REALLY BEEN TO OBSERVE AND DIG IN, SEE WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, UM, SEE WHAT OUR STRENGTHS, WEAKNESSES, OPPORTUNITIES, THREATS ARE, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST IN THE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COMMUNICATION NEEDS, BUT AT THE AGENCY AS A WHOLE.

SO I'VE BEEN WORKING IN GOVERNMENT COMMUNICATIONS PRETTY MUCH MY WHOLE CAREER.

AND SO A LOT OF THAT TIME HAS BEEN SPENT IN EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS AND CRISIS COMMUNICATIONS.

SO I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD, UM, UNDERSTANDING OF THE NEEDS FOR THAT AND WHAT MAKES AN EFFECTIVE, UM, COMMUNICATOR FOR THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS, ESPECIALLY, UM, THINGS LIKE NATURAL DISASTERS OR FIRES, FLOODS, THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE YOU HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET THE WORD OUT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND EVERY WORD MATTERS.

UM, SO, UM, WHEN I FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT THE STRATEGIC PLAN, IT WAS CLEAR TO ME THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF PRIORITY ON IMPROVING COMMUNICATIONS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UM, SOME REPUTATION REPAIR TYPES OF THINGS, AS WELL AS THE NEED TO REALLY

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DO A LOT OF MORE PROACTIVE COMMUNICATIONS.

THAT WAS, UM, SPECIFIC TO THE PD, NOT, NOT, UM, TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, FIT IN LITTLE THINGS HERE AND THERE WITHIN THE CITY'S GREATER COMMUNICATIONS OPERATIONS.

SO, UM, IN, IN THAT LIGHT, AND BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CONSULTING FIRM, WE, UH, ANNETTE AND THE CHIEF AND I MET WITH THE, THE RECOMMENDED CONSULTANT THAT SPECIALIZES IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, COMMUNICATIONS, AND LISTENED TO WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY, WHAT KIND OF WORK THEY PRODUCED FOR THEIR, UH, CUSTOMERS.

AND WE REALLY DETERMINED THAT THOSE WERE TASKS THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY BE DOING IN-HOUSE BETTER.

UM, BECAUSE WE IN AN EMERGENCY TIME IS EVERYTHING.

AND TO TRY TO REACH A CONSULTANT WHO DOESN'T LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, UM, IT WOULD BE A, A CHALLENGE.

UM, ALSO THEY, WHAT WE SAW WAS PRETTY BOILERPLATE STUFF THAT WE FELT LIKE COULD BE TAILORED A LOT MORE EFFECTIVELY TO THIS COMMUNITY.

AND, UM, ALSO THERE'S A LOT OF INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS THAT ARE CALLED OUT IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

SO THIS POSITION WOULD BE DOING BOTH EXTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS AND INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS.

UM, IN THINKING ABOUT THE WAY THAT THE SUPERVISORY STRUCTURE MADE THE MOST SENSE, WE FELT LIKE, UM, THAT FOR INTERNAL, LIKE STAFF CAPACITY DEVELOPMENT AND QUALITY ASSURANCE AND SUCH, THAT IT MADE THE MOST SENSE TO HAVE THEM EMBEDDED WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM.

AND THEN I WOULD OVERSEE THEIR WORK.

UM, THE CHIEF WOULD BE OVERSEEING LIKE WHAT MEETINGS THEY NEEDED TO ATTEND SO THEY COULD GLEAN WHATEVER IT WAS THEY NEEDED TO FOR THE COMMUNICATIONS PURPOSES.

UM, SO SHE WOULD BE DOING A LOT OF KIND OF THEIR, UM, A LOT OF THE MANAGEMENT OF THE KINDS OF, OF, UM, ENVIRONMENTS THAT THEY'RE WORKING AND THE, THE TYPES OF LEARNING THAT THEY NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO BE CONVERSANT WITH POLICE DEPARTMENT LANGUAGE AND UNDERSTANDING ALL OF THE NUANCES THAT SOMEBODY WHO'S MAYBE MORE OF A GENERALIST IN COMMUNICATION DOESN'T UNDERSTAND.

OF COURSE, WE COULD GET LUCKY AND FIND SOMEONE THAT HAS ALREADY, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT BACKGROUND AND COMMUNICATIONS SO THAT THAT WOULD BE YET TO BE DETERMINED.

SO THERE WERE A LOT OF DOWNSIDES TO THE IDEA OF THE CONSULTANTS.

SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT WE, UM, CHOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REC RECOMMENDATION FOR HIRING, UM, IN-HOUSE.

UM, AND WE ALSO THOUGHT, COULD THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM ABSORB SOME PART OR ALL OF THIS WORK? AND TO, TO BE HONEST, WE HAVE REALLY THE E EQUIVALENT OF A 3.25 FTE BECAUSE WE, WHILE WE HAVE FOUR STAFF, UM, TWO, WELL THREE OF THEM REALLY ARE PARTIALLY FUNDED THROUGH THE TOURISM PROGRAM, AND THEY SPEND THEIR TIME ON THAT.

AND THEN ONE OF OUR FOUR IS FULL-TIME ON THE WEB ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM OR PROJECT.

SO FOR THOSE REASONS, WE FELT LIKE WE JUST DID NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY OR WE WOULD ALREADY BE DOING THOSE THINGS.

UM, SO BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME OF THE WORK THAT WAS NEEDED AND THAT WE DECIDED THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH.

SO THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF WORK THAT'S GOING ON WITH EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS FOR THE CITY, FOR THE PD.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE ALREADY DOING SOME , SOME WORK.

THEY DO A LOT OF MEDIA CALLS, A LOT OF PODCASTERS WHO CALL THEY WANT RECORDS, THEY, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE WANTING.

IT DOES TAKE WORK TO KIND OF GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT THE MEDIA REQUESTS ARE FOR.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE CAN GIVE WHAT KIND OF WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE? SO, UM, THESE THINGS DO TAKE TIME.

NICKEL EMERGENCY ALERTS, THOSE THINGS, AGAIN, WE HAVE 138 CHARACTERS.

THEY HAVE TO BE PERFECT.

THEY HAVE TO SAY EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT.

UM, SO HAVING A, A GOOD COMMUNICATOR THAT DOESN'T SPEAK IN, UM, IN, UH, THE, UM, ACRONYMS AND SUCH OF POLICE AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE IS IMPORTANT.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

UM, THE EVENTS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES.

SO, UM, A LOT OF THE WORK THAT THIS PERSON WOULD BE DOING INITIALLY WOULD BE TO, TO HELP TO SET UP THE, THE PLANNING, THE STRATEGIC PLAN, SOME TEMPLATES LIKE THE FACEBOOK PAGE, SOME OF THE NEWSLETTER TEMPLATES.

SO THERE'S SOME INITIAL WORK THAT WOULD BE DONE TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE'RE GETTING OFF TO THE RIGHT START.

AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF EMPHASIS PLACED ON PROMOTING, UM, SPD, VOLUNTEERISM,

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GOOD NEWS.

SOMETIMES THERE'S INVESTIGATIONS WHERE WE NEED THE COMMUNITY'S HELP.

SOMETIMES THERE'S LOST PROPERTY OR ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD BE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THEIR OWN, UM, COMMUNICATION TOOLS TO BE PROMOTING THAT AND BUILDING A GREATER ONE-ON-ONE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY THAN IF IT'S JUST EMBEDDED WITH THE CITY'S SITE.

UM, LET'S SEE.

ALSO THEN BUILDING A GREATER RELATIONSHIP AND, UM, MAYBE FASTER COMMUNICATIONS WITH MEDIA AND OTHER SORTS OF PARTNERS, EMERGENCY RESPONSE PARTNERS THAT HAVE PIOS WHERE THEY COULD DEVELOP THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.

THEY LEARN WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE.

SO WHEN THERE'S A CRISIS, EVERYBODY KNOWS EACH OTHER.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS WHY IT MADE SENSE.

AND THEN AGAIN, WE WANTED TO, UM, IMPROVE OUR INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS, UM, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE PRODUCTION OF A REGULAR NEWSLETTER SO PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE ALL LOOPED IN AND KNOW THE DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE.

AND, OKAY, SUPPORTING AN EMERGENCY AND CRISIS COMMUNICATIONS.

THIS IS A LITTLE SELFISH ON MY PART RIGHT NOW.

I'M THE ON-CALL PIO TWENTY FOUR SEVEN THREE SIXTY FIVE.

AND IT, AND I ALREADY HAVE BEEN WORKING, I'M, I DON'T RESENT THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE VACATIONS.

SO OUR GOAL WOULD BE THAT WE WERE CROSS TRAINING THAT PERSON AND I WOULD HAVE, UM, TAKE, TAKE TURNS ON SHIFT SO THAT WE COULD HAVE WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS OCCASIONALLY.

UM, AND LET'S SEE.

SO THEY WOULD BE ALSO, WE HAVE A BODY OF WORK WHERE WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS NEEDS.

WE WOULD LIKE TO PRE-PRO PRODUCEE A WHOLE BUNCH OF CONTENT FOR FACEBOOK FOR NICKEL.

WE CAN PREDICT WHAT KINDS OF EMERGENCIES ARE OFTEN GONNA HAPPEN.

AND YOU CAN PREDETERMINE A LOT OF THE MESSAGING WITH FILL IN THE BLANKS FOR THE SPECIFICS OF ADDRESS DURATION, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK THAT WE CAN DO FOR PREPARING OURSELVES BETTER.

WE HAVE SOME RISK RIGHT NOW, I THINK, ON SOME OF OUR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS.

UM, SO THAT PERSON WOULD BE ADDRESSING SOME OF THAT AND THEN ACTING AS A, UM, LIAISON WITH THE CITY COMMUNICATIONS, OUR EVENTS, AND, UM, ALSO WITH THE, UM, THE REST OF THE AGENCY.

WE KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY LIKES THE PD CONTENT WHEN IT'S PRODUCED.

UM, IT GETS A LOT OF THE HIGHEST ENGAGEMENT AND THAT WAS EVEN PRE SIDEWALK.

UM, SO, UM, WE DO KNOW THAT THEY GET A, WHEN WE PRODUCE VIDEOS AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE, UM, VIDEOS THAT IT GETS A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT.

SO THAT'S VERY ENCOURAGING AND WE KNOW THAT IF WE HAD A GOOD CHANNEL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DEDICATE, UM, MORE FREQUENT, UM, AND INTERESTING POSTS, I THINK WE'D PROBABLY HA SEE IT EVEN, UM, EXPAND FURTHER.

SO NOT KNOWING WHAT KINDS OF QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, I'M SURE WE'VE BOTH OVER-PREPARED , BUT THANK YOU JULIE.

QUESTIONS CHARLOTTE, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UM, ONE, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT CROSS TRAINING THIS OTHER PERSON, UM, WOULD THEY BE CROSS TRAINED TO DO YOUR WORK THAT IS NON-POLICE WORK ALSO? SO THE GOAL WOULD BE THAT IF THEY HAVE ANY FLEXIBILITY IN THEIR TIME, THEY'D BE ABLE TO SUPPORT OTHER CI CITY THINGS, BUT THEIR PRIMARY ROLE IS FOR IT TO BE EMBEDDED WITH THE PD.

UM, THE CROSS TRAINING WOULD BE THINGS LIKE IN GOOD SOLID INTERVIEWING SKILLS, MEDIA RISK COMMUNICATIONS, CRISIS COMMUNICATIONS.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM IS GOING TO BE DOING.

SO THEY WOULD BE A PART OF THAT SO THAT THEY WOULD BE DOING THAT SAME SKILL BUILDING.

WE WOULD BE DOING CROSS TRAINING ON THINGS LIKE EMERGENCY POSTS, UM, SO THAT WE ALL ARE ABLE TO DO EACH OTHER'S WORK IN CASE SOMEBODY'S OUT.

UM, SO THAT BASICALLY THAT WE BUILD REDUNDANCY WITHIN THE TEAM.

ADEQUATE FTE AUTHORITY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE COMMUNICATIONS GROUP AND THE PD? I MEAN, DO YOU NOT HAVE ONGOING VACANCIES? SO WHEN WE CAME LAST YEAR AND, AND ASKED FOR THE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, AND WE'VE BEEN FILLING IN THE OFFICER AND THE DISPATCH ROLES, THOSE ARE PRIMARILY WHERE THE VACANCIES ARE, WHICH WE'RE DOING AROUND THE CLOCK RECRUITING.

MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, THIS IS AN UPDATE FOR US.

BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS THE FTE AUTHORITY.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU, YOU BELIEVE THROUGH VACANCY SAVINGS, YOU HAVE ENOUGH FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR FOR THE POSITION ITSELF.

WHY DO YOU NOT THINK THAT YOU'VE GOT

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SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO IN THE BACKGROUND THAT ARE LATERAL OFFICERS.

WE HAVE ONE SCHEDULED TO GO TO THE ACADEMY, AND WE HAVE FIVE INTERVIEWING NEXT WEEK.

SO THOSE POSITIONS ARE OPEN UNTIL THEY'RE NOT.

AND WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS CLOG ONE UP AND THEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO HIRE, AND NOW WE DON'T HAVE A POSITION.

SO I DID ALSO WORK WITH RUSS TO SEE WHAT OTHER OPENINGS WERE WITHIN THE CITY, BUT A LOT OF THINGS ARE BEING FILLED AND ACTIVELY RECRUITED.

SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT, WHERE WE KNOW THAT THIS ISN'T JUST A NEED FOR YEAR ONE, THIS IS ONGOING BECAUSE ANYTHING WE DEVELOP, WE'RE GONNA OWN GOING DOWN THE ROAD.

SO WE DIDN'T THINK THE WORKLOAD WOULD GET LESS.

WE THOUGHT IT WOULD STAY CONSISTENT.

AND THE REAL CHALLENGE IS, IS WHEN WE GO TO RECRUIT FOR THIS POSITION, IF WE PUT IT IN AS A SPECIAL PROJECT OR PENDING APPROVAL NEXT YEAR, THEN THAT'S REALLY GONNA LIMIT WHO'S GONNA PUT IN FOR SOMETHING, QUIT A JOB THEY CURRENTLY HAVE AND HOPE THAT IT GETS APPROVED LATER.

SO WE FELT TO GET THE BEST POOL, UM, FROM SOMEBODY THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD FOR THIS POSITION WAS TO THEN COME RIGHT NOW AND ASK, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SEE THIS CHANGING ON YEAR TWO OR YEAR THREE, THIS WOULD BE AN ONGOING NEED.

SO WE DID LOOK AT ARE THERE OPEN POSITIONS TO FILL THIS IN? UM, BUT GIVEN THE SALARY SAVINGS, WE DON'T NEED THAT MONEY THIS YEAR.

WE KNOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE IT, BUT WE NEEDED TO ADD THE FTE SO WE DON'T LIMIT OURSELVES AND FILLING IN THOSE OTHER CRITICAL CRUCIAL POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE OPEN RIGHT NOW.

WELL, GIVEN THAT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ANNUALIZED, I MEAN, IT IS GONNA BE A SUBJECT FOR DISCUSSION, AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE.

UM, SO AND, AND YOU'RE ALREADY RECRUITING FOR THE POSITION.

WELL, SO HOW WE DECIDED TO DO THAT WAS JUST BECAUSE OF TIMING.

SO WE PUT IN THERE THE CAVEAT THAT THIS WAS NOT A GUARANTEE, IT WAS PENDING APPROVAL SO THAT WE COULD AT LEAST GAIN APPLICATIONS.

SO WE DIDN'T LOSE TIME IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE LIKE I HAD SAID, I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE ALREADY AT OUR FIRST QUARTERLY UPDATE THREE MONTHS IN, I DIDN'T WANNA BE HALF YEAR IN NOT HAVING THIS WHEN THERE'S SO MUCH THAT WE NEED TO GET ACCOMPLISHED.

AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WAS IN GOAL ONE TO ACHIEVE.

AND IF WE DON'T HAVE COMMUNICATION WHEN WE'RE DOING ALL THIS, THEN REALLY WE'RE, WE'RE NO BETTER THAN WHAT WE WERE BEFORE THE STRATEGIC PLAN WHEN IT IDENTIFIED COMMUNICATION AS ONE OF THE TOP PRIORITIES.

THIS IS JUST, UM, QUESTION PERIOD, NOT COMMENT.

THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, I HAVE ONE CARD.

TIM PERRY.

GOOD EVENING COUNSELORS.

PROPAGANDA OFFICER ARE GONNA TELL US THAT WE HAD DECLINING CRIME AND VIOLENCE IN SEDONA FOR 15 YEARS BEFORE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BEGAN INCREASING THAT PURPOSEFULLY IN ORDER TO GET THEIR INCREASED FUNDING? SO THE PROPAGANDA OFFICER ARE GONNA TELL US THAT YOU'RE SIX TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE KILLED BY A COP THAN BY A CONVICTED FELON, OR THAT COPS COMMIT ONE OUT OF EVERY 17 MURDERS IN THE UNITED STATES.

AS IF THE ABSURD PLAN TO WHITEWASH THE EVIL THAT IS THE SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT OR NOT ENOUGH.

YOU GUYS HAVE NOW COME UP WITH THE FREAKISH IDEA OF HAVING A SEPARATE SPECIAL PERSON JUST TO TRY TO SELL US ON THE IDEA OF HOW LUCKY WE ARE TO GET BEATEN UP AND ABUSED BY THESE PEOPLE.

TELL ME, IS THIS NEW SPECIAL PROPAGANDA MINISTER GOING TO HAVE TO PASS A PRACTICAL TEST, LIKE ACTUALLY GOING OUT AND CONVINCING SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN BEATEN UP BY THE COPS THAT THE COPS REPRESENT EVERYTHING GOOD AND RIGHT AND TRUE AS YOUR FRIEND WAYNE LAPIERRE OVER AT THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION WOULD SAY, WHAT ELSE COULD THIS PERSON CONCEIVABLY DO? IS SHE GOING TO TRY TO SCOTCH THE RUMOR IN THE COMMUNITY THAT STEPHANIE FOLEY HIRES PEOPLE BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT SHE WANTS TO SLEEP WITH THEM? YOU KNOW, YOU COULD TRY TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM BY JUST HIRING THE PERSON WHO'S CAUSING ALL THESE PROBLEMS. MONIQUE, HOWEVER, DO WE HAVE TO ALLOW COMMENT LIKE THIS THAT CALLS PEOPLE OUT BY NAME AND, AND IS MAKING INNUENDOS AND THIS IS THIS APPROPRIATE PUBLIC COMMENT TO AN ITEM THAT'S AGENDIZED.

OUR POLICY IS TO STRONGLY REFRAIN FROM PERSONAL ATTACKS ON STAFF.

A STATEMENT OF SOMETHING THAT IS BEING SAID IN THE COMMUNITY IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK.

YOU'VE HEARD THE RULING FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY.

AND SO PLEASE CEASE YOUR COMMENTS IN THIS REGARD.

WHAT ELSE IS THIS NEW PROPOSED PROPAGANDA OFFICER GOING TO DO? WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT UH, ANOTHER QUESTION THAT COMES UP IS WHETHER SHE'S GONNA TELL US THE FACTS ABOUT YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT THE SEDONA POLICE COMMIT 87% OF THE VIOLENCE IN SEDONA NATIONWIDE.

THAT NUMBER IS 97%.

IS THE PROPAGANDA OFFICER GONNA TELL US THAT

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OF COURSE NOT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BREAK THE NARRATIVE.

AND THIS ISN'T ABOUT TRUTH, IT'S ABOUT A NARRATIVE.

YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS NOT ONLY A CRIME AGAINST GOD AND A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.

IT IS USELESS FOR ITS STATED PURPOSE.

REMOVE IT AND STOP PROPAGANDIZING FOR EVIL.

OKAY, BACK TO COUNSEL AND COMMENTS ABOUT THIS REQUEST, CHARLOTTE.

SO MY ONLY COMMENT IS IF, IF IT'S A PRIORITY FOR YOU AND AND I, IT SOUNDS AS IF IT IS, UM, AND YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE MONEY THAT I REALLY DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE ADDING AN F AN ADDITIONAL FTE OUTSIDE OF THE REGULAR BUDGET PROCESS.

BUT YOU CAN MAKE IT THROUGH FISCAL 27 WITH FTE AUTHORITY THAT'S AVAILABLE SOMEWHERE IN THE AGENCY, IN THE AGENCY OR THE CITY.

UM, AND THEN JUST HAVE IT LOOKED AT IN THE REGULAR BUDGET CYCLE FOR FDE AUTHORITY AND ANNUALIZATION.

ANNETTE, DO YOU WANNA WEIGH IN? THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR.

SO I BELIEVE WHAT COUNCILOR ZANEY IS DESCRIBING IS THAT WE WOULD NOT FILL AN EXISTING, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT POSITION THAT WE WERE PLANNING TO FILL AND INSTEAD USE THAT VACANT POSITION AND PUT THE PIO IN IT.

AND THEN, UM, WHEN THE BUDGET PROCESS CAME AROUND, IT WOULD BE A DECISION PACKAGE TO MAKE EITHER ANOTHER FTE TO REPLACE THE UNFILLED OFFICER OR, UH, CREATE THE FTE AT THAT TIME FOR THE PIO.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING BY USING EXISTING FTE AUTHORITY, IS WE WOULDN'T HIRE AN EXISTING AVAILABLE POSITION.

AND ACTUALLY THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M, I'M SAYING OKAY, SO HOW DO YOU, AT ANY POINT IN TIME, YOU'VE GOT VACANCIES IN THE CITY AND IN THE GENERAL FUND, WHETHER IT'S IN THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT MM-HMM .

WHETHER IT'S WHEREVER IT IS.

AND FOR THE BALANCE OF THIS YEAR, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO NOT HIRE SOMEBODY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED OR ATTEMPT TO FILL A VACANCY THAT'S BEEN APPROVED, UM, TO GET THROUGH THIS FISCAL YEAR.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S MATHEMATICALLY VALID.

WELL, I, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO FINANCE IT, BUT I BELIEVE IN THE POSITION BUDGET SYSTEM IN HR, WE HAVE TO CREATE A POSITION TO PUT THE EMPLOYEE INTO, WE WOULD HAVE THE FUNDS TO PAY FOR IT, BUT WE HAVE TO CREATE THE POSITION IN THE COMPENSA OR NOT THE COMPENSATION RANGE OR SYSTEM, BUT WE DO NEED TO CREATE IT IN THE PERSONNEL BUDGET DATABASE.

BUT, BUT YOU CAN HOLD, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING A HEAD COUNT SO THAT SOMEBODY ASKS HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO YOU HAVE WITH THE CITY FIELD UNFILLED? YOU'VE GOT A NUMBER AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING ONE TO THAT NUMBER.

I'M SAYING THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME VACANCIES THAT COULD BE FROZEN OR THAT ARE NOT BEING USED FOR THE BALANCE OF THE YEAR.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

SO WE WOULD NOT HIRE INTO ONE OF THOSE BECAUSE WE WOULD BE USING IT TO COVER THIS POSITION.

AS A PERMANENT POSITION IN OUR SYSTEM UNTIL IT'S APPROVED BY COUNSEL AS AN FTE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SPECIFIED WHICH ONE YOU'RE NOT HIRING, BECAUSE I THINK AT ANY POINT IN TIME YOU'VE GOT VACANCIES.

WELL, I GUESS I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO OUR HR DEPARTMENT ABOUT HOW WE WOULD FLOAT A PERMANENT EMPLOYEE POSITION.

I DON'T KNOW.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT LOGISTICALLY HOW WE WOULD CARRY THAT ON THE BOOKS IN HR.

I BELIEVE FROM AN HR STANDPOINT, THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS THAT YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY CREATING A TEMPORARY POSITION DEPENDENT ON APPROVAL BY COUNSEL IN THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET AS A DECISION PACKAGE.

AND WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT LIMITS YOUR POOL OF CANDIDATES TO PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO TAKE ON A JOB THAT COULD END IN, YOU KNOW, SIX TO NINE MONTHS IF THAT DECISION PACKAGE WASN'T APPROVED.

UM, BECAUSE THAT POSITION COULD NOT BE CLASSIFIED

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AND I DO WANT TO, FROM A FINANCE PERSPECTIVE, SAY THAT NORMALLY WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND ADDING A POSITION MIDYEAR BECAUSE IT, IT COMPLICATES THINGS.

IT CREATES, UM, IT, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO DO IDEALLY, BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE THAT BUDGET AND YOU SET IT, IT'S BETTER NOT TO, HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE, YOU HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ENTERED INTO RIGHT AT THE END OF THE BUDGET CYCLE.

AND IN EVALUATING IT, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THESE MAJOR INITIATIVES FOR YEAR ONE REALLY REQUIRE THIS THING.

SO WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT TO FINANCE AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, ALL THOSE DISCUSSIONS WERE, CAN WE MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH IT? SO THAT'S, UM, SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW FROM LIKE A FINANCE PERSON, IT'S LIKE THIS IS, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU DO NORMALLY AND I WOULD NOT NORMALLY BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

AND IN THIS CASE, I VERY MUCH AM BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT IT CAME ABOUT AND WHAT IT ADDRESSES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

BUT IN RESPONSE TO THE OTHER QUESTION IS ABOUT BEING A TEMP EMPLOYEE VERSUS PERMANENT.

THANK YOU, BARBARA.

BRIAN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE PRESENTATION DOCUMENT, I'M KIND OF THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE CONVEY TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THERE'S A BENEFIT TO ADDING THIS ROLE? AND WHEN WE'RE IN OUR BUDGET PROCESS, WE SEE WORKLOAD INDICATORS.

AND SO CLEARLY THERE IS, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY NICKEL POSTS, HOW MANY FACEBOOK, HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS OR RESPONSES THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN.

AND WHEN I LOOK ON SLIDE 10, I THINK IF YOU GO BACK TO I BELIEVE ONE MORE.

COULD LOOK AT LIKE WE DO FOR OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, THE STATISTICS TO BRING FORWARD, UM, JUST LIKE THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH OFFICER, THE SRO, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE PUT, UM, KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS INTO IT THAT WE COULD LOOK AT WHAT THOSE ARE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HITTING THOSE KEY POINTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO FILL.

SO LIKE THE THIRD BULLET DOWN, BUILD A STRONGER, MORE DIRECT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY.

OKAY, SOUNDS FINE.

HOW DO YOU MEASURE THAT? SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEASURES THAT YOU CAN KIND OF THINK ABOUT THAT YOU COULD COME BACK AND BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY, IT'S PART OF THE ONGOING REPORTING ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

SO IF IT'S A YEAR FROM NOW, WHAT WOULD YOU COME BACK WITH CHIEF OR I, I CAN LOOK AT ANY OF YOU ON THIS QUESTION.

I GUESS, UM, A YEAR FROM NOW, THE POSITION'S BEEN FILLED FOR AT LEAST NINE MONTHS, WHAT WOULD YOU BE, WHAT WOULD YOU BE SAYING, HEY, HERE'S WHAT THE BENEFITS HAVE BEEN BESIDES JUST THOSE METRICS OF HOW MANY THIS IS AND HOW MANY THATS HAVE BEEN DONE? I THINK, UM, ONE OF THE RECENT EXAMPLES THAT WE USED IN THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM, UM, WAS WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO SAY THAT THE, UM, SEDONA FIRE DEPARTMENT DISTRICT WAS DEMOLISHING THAT BUILDING.

WE WANTED TO UTILIZE IT.

WE DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE FEAR WITHIN THE COMMUNITY FOR THE ADDITIONAL VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE COMING IN.

THE NOISE THAT TOOK PRETTY MUCH ALL OF JULIE'S TEAM, IT TOOK OUR VOLUNTEERS TO GO DOOR-TO-DOOR FOR THE NOTIFICATIONS, IT USED THE NICKEL SYSTEM.

AND SO THOSE ARE THE POINTS WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE AWARE JUST AS MUCH AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS OF OUR OPERATIONS.

SO WHETHER IT BE LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S UNCONTROLLABLE, LIKE WHEN WE WERE PUTTING A COMMUNITY, UM, TO, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, UM, SHELTER IN PLACE WHEN WE HAD THE CHAPEL INCIDENT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL OUT IN THE FIELD.

WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY AVAILABLE TO GO BACK TO THE OFFICE AND MESSAGE.

SO AT THAT POINT, BEFORE JULIE WAS HERE, WE WERE UTILIZING LAUREN THAT PULLED AARON IN TO WORK WITH LAUREN TO CREATE THE MESSAGE, TO PUT THE NICKEL OUT.

SO WE HAVE ONGOING NEEDS AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE HEARD AGAIN AND AGAIN, IS THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO HEAR THOSE THINGS.

THEY WANT TO BE ALERTED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WHEN WE HAVE DELAY IN OUR MESSAGING BECAUSE THEY ALREADY SAW IT ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S FACEBOOK PAGE OR THEIR FRIEND NOTIFIED 'EM, OR THAT THERE'S PICTURES, WE'RE MISSING THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT OUT THE REAL FACTS OF THE INCIDENT, NOT WHAT SOMEBODY'S ASSUMING IS HAPPENING IN UPTOWN WHEN WE'RE DOING A HIGH RISK VEHICLE STOP.

SO THERE ARE SO MANY INCIDENCES THAT ARE ONGOING THAT WE NEED FOR THE TIMING.

SO I THINK PART OF THE ENGAGEMENT, LIKE WHAT WE WOULD MEASURE IS SOME OF THOSE, UM, VIEW ABILITIES.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE SOME OF THOSE MATRIX COME IN.

IT WOULD ALSO BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, UM, WHEN WE DID THE STRATEGIC PLAN, JARED AND I FORGOT THE OTHER PERSON'S NAME THAT WERE PART OF THE CPSM, THEY HA THEY HELD COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

THEY WERE ASKING WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS ARE.

SO THIS WAS NOT JUST A POLICE DEPARTMENT, THIS IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY WAS ASKING FOR.

SO PART OF IT IS THAT WE'RE LISTENING TO THEM AND WE'RE, WE'RE DOING WHAT'S BEING ASKED OF US IS THE HU THE BIGGEST MATRIX THAT THEY ASKED US TO CONSIDER THIS.

BUT I THINK WE

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THANK YOU CHIEF.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID, JULIE.

YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WANT TO JUMP TOO, AND I'M VERY INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMUNICATIONS EXPERT HAS TO SAY AS WELL.

WELL, UM, MEASURING COMMUNITY ATTITUDE IS CHALLENGING IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A BIG BUDGET FOR REALLY ROBUST WELL DONE FOCUS GROUPS AND OTHER SORTS OF SER FOR SURVEY AND METHODOLOGIES TO REALLY GAUGE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, BASELINE VERSUS CHANGE OVER TIME.

AND, UM, SO IN ADDITION TO DOING THE THINGS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED AND THE THINGS THAT ARE BEST PRACTICE, WE, UM, WE WOULD NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OTHER SORTS OF METRICS REALLY WOULD TELL THE STORY OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS DOES HAVE, UM, ANY IMPACT IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY PERCEPTION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S EFFECTIVENESS, YOU KNOW, A A LOT OF THOSE OTHER, UM, THINGS THAT, THAT WE MIGHT WANNA KNOW.

SO WE DO SOME COMMUNITY SURVEYS ALREADY.

WE COULD CONSIDER ADDING A QUESTION OR TWO ABOUT POLICE DEPARTMENT IF WE WANTED TO START NOW AND LOOK OVER TIME FOR ATTITUDE AWARENESS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

BUT I THINK DEVELOPING SOME METRICS FOR LIKE GROWTH IN FACEBOOK PRESENCE, GROWTH IN EVENTS, SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE TANGIBLE AND MEASURABLE LIKE THAT MIGHT NOT TELL US EVERYTHING WE WANNA KNOW ABOUT ATTITUDES AND AWARENESS AND YOU KNOW, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

BUT I THINK IT WILL TELL THE STORY THAT AT LEAST ARE THE TOOLS THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING ARE, ARE BEING APPRECIATED AND EFFECTIVE.

I MEAN, I'M THINKING ABOUT, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE BOTH OF YOUR RESPONSES.

I'M, I'M THINKING ABOUT LIKE THE NATIONAL CITY SURVEY THAT GOES EVERY OUT, EVERY COUPLE YEARS.

AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S QUESTIONS THERE THAT ARE GEARED MORE TOWARDS, LIKE, THE CITY OVERALL.

SOME OF THE ENCAMPMENTS GOING OUT TO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, WHETHER IT'S PANHANDLING, LOITERING.

OR PERCEPTIONS OF THE CITY COUNCIL OR STAFF IN GENERAL.

BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, LIKE, OKAY.

AND I THINK IT TIES TO WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING, JULIE, AROUND, UH, YOU KNOW, PERCEPTIONS AND WHATNOT OF, OF WHERE THE COMMUNITY LIES AND YOU KNOW, WHAT, FROM A BASELINE TO THE FUTURE, WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THE PERCEPTION LOOK LIKE? HOW DOES IT CHANGE? SO I THINK IT'S MORE THAN JUST WORKLOAD INDICATORS THAT, I GUESS THAT'S MY MAIN THING IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY TO MEASURE HOW MANY FACEBOOK POSTS, BUT WHAT'S IT REALLY MEAN TO THE COMMUNITY? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS KEY TO, TO REALLY BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, THIS WAS WORTH DOING.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

SO, CHIEF, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE , THE TWO POSITIONS THAT WE ADDED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

ONE WAS CHANCE AND THE OTHER ONE WAS THE COMMUNITY SERVICE PERSON.

WE SEE CHANCE A LOT, SO WE HAVE SOME VISIBILITY AND HE'S, AND HE'S VERY PROMINENT, BUT WE DON'T ON SOME OF THE OTHERS.

SO, SO WE CREATED THIS POSITION TO TRY TO HELP ON DIRECT PEOPLE FOR SERVICES.

HOW IS THAT WORKING OUT? UH, OFFICER MICHAEL LUCAS IS DOING AMAZING WORK.

UM, HE, UH, HAS HELPED WITH RESOURCES.

HE'S BEEN BUILDING OUT THAT PROGRAM.

UM, SO HE MOVED INTO THAT RIGHT BEFORE THE, THE, WE'RE ACTUALLY RIGHT AT THE START OF THE BUDGET YEAR.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HE'S WORKING WITH A LOT OF THE ORGANIZATIONS AROUND TOWN.

JUST TODAY I SAW HIM OUT ON THE SIDE.

HE'S GONE, YOU KNOW, TO ENCAMPMENTS, WORKED WITH INDIVIDUALS TO CLEAN IT OUT TOGETHER.

UM, SOMETIMES YOU WON'T SEE HIM 'CAUSE HE IS ON AT 4:00 AM BECAUSE IT WAS SO HOT, YOU KNOW, FOR A WHILE.

UM, AND NOW HE'S MOVING INTO LATER HOURS JUST TO ALSO MATCH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DAYLIGHT.

UM, SOON WE'LL BE IN WINTER WHERE FIRES A CONCERN AGAIN, AND HE'LL, HE'LL MATCH THOSE HOURS TO GO OUT THERE TO ADDRESS WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES FOR, FOR THE, THE FIRE, UM, FOR CAMPFIRE.

SO, I MEAN, WE PUT IN THE KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS AS, AS YOU KNOW, ASKED.

UM, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE ALL THE WORK THAT HE'S DOING THOUGH IN THOSE BECAUSE, UM, HE'S, HE'S OUT THERE EVERY DAY AND HE'S MAKING CONNECTIONS.

HE'S HELPING OUT.

AND, UM, WHEN THE SCHOOL IS ON, ON TIME OFF, THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER IS BACKING HIM UP.

THE COMMUNITY, UM, SERVICE OFFICERS ARE BACKING HIM UP, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN IN THE TWO F1 FIFTIES.

SO WE'RE UTILIZING THE, UM, COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICER'S TRUCK TO, TO TAKE OUT LITTERING AND EVERYTHING ELSE FROM

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SO HE'S, HE'S TOUCHING BASE WITH MANY OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO THE REASON I WAS ASKING THAT QUESTION WAS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST KIND OF ROLLING THE DICE ON THAT POSITION, AND WE DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS GONNA BE MEANINGFUL.

WAS IT GONNA BE FULL TIME? YOU KNOW, WOULD HE ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO? AND IT WAS DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT SERVICE THAT WAS BEING OFFERED BY THE PD.

SO I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS COMMUNICATION, UH, POSITION IN, IN A SIMILAR WAY, WE HAVE NO IDEA IN LOOKING AT THE, UH, REQUESTS, 90 MEDIA RELATED REQUESTS, ALERTS, POSTS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES, HOW MANY HOURS OF A DAY DOES THAT REQUIRE? YEAH.

AND I JUST, I, I WANTED TO USE AS A COMPARISON JUST FOR SOMETHING THAT DID GO, UM, IN LAST BUDGET YEAR AS WELL, IS SIMILAR TO WHAT CHUCK WITH IT SAID.

SO FOR OUR DEPARTMENT, FOR THE SERVICE LOAD THAT WE PUT ON OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHERE WE PULL A FULL STAFF MEMBER OVER YEAH.

LIMITING THEIR ABILITY TO HELP OUT THEIR TEAMS. THIS IS NO DIFFERENT.

THAT, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE'RE MAXIMIZING ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS DESIGNED TO BE PART OF THE OVERALL COMMUNICATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SAME FOR IT, WHERE WE HAVE SO MUCH EQUIPMENT, SO MUCH COMMUNICATION THAT IT REALLY DOES REQUIRE OUR OWN.

AND THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE DEVELOPED WITH LAUREN THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, REALLY SPENDING A LOT OF TIME GOING THROUGH WHAT OUR EQUIPMENT IS, WHAT OUR PROTOCOLS ARE.

THAT'S SO MUCH TIME THAT GOES INTO UNDERSTANDING VERSUS, NO OFFENSE, A REGULAR COMMUNICATIONS PERSON, RIGHT.

THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID JUST THE POLICE JARGON.

BUT WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, BRIDGE THE GAP OF JUST SEEING WHAT THE WORK LOOKS LIKE.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S GONNA BE A DUAL POSITION.

SO THEY SPEND TIME IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO EVERYBODY.

WE, WE CAN NARROW DOWN SOME OF THAT LEARNING AND THE TIME THAT GETS EXPANDED FROM WHEN WE HAVE AN INCIDENT TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

THIS IS WHAT THAT TOOL IS, THIS IS WHAT WE MEAN BY THIS.

WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND TIME THERE.

OUR MESSAGE GETS OUT FASTER.

SO I KNOW I'VE GONE OFF IN A, IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

NO, NO, IT'S A GOOD ANALOGY.

UM, IT, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE BROUGHT FOR IT.

WE DON'T WANT AN IT PERSON IN OUR BUILDING.

THAT'S TO MY FTES, BUT WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT'S DESIGNATED TO THE NEEDS OF THE PD.

SO YEAH, JUST, JUST LAST WEEK WE HAD OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH EVENT.

I'M SORRY, I, I WAS OUT OF TOWN, SO I COULDN'T ATTEND IT.

JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S THE TIME OF YEAR.

BUT, UM, VICE MAYOR, I, I DID SEE YOU THERE.

I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO TALK WITH YOU, BUT I SAW YOU MINGLING AROUND.

UM, BUT WE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL EVENT AND, UM, I THINK THE MORE WE PUT THAT OUT, THE BETTER THE ATTENDANCE WILL, WILL GET.

WE, WE HAD A DOWNSIZE WHEN, UM, COVID HAPPENED, RIGHT? WE WEREN'T DOING, YOU KNOW, LARGE EVENTS, BUT, UH, THIS WAS ONE OF OUR MOST SUCCESSFUL YEARS.

WE HAD A LOT OF FAMILIES, A LOT OF KIDS COME TO THE EVENT.

UM, AND SO I THINK WHEN WE CAN COMMUNICATE MORE OF THOSE EVENTS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS WEEKEND WHEN IT'S THE FEST OF FALL, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE OTHER EVENTS SUCH AS THE, THE PICKLEBALL, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'LL BE THERE DOING.

THE DIRECT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY, I THINK NEEDS TO BE THE KEY FACTOR IN THIS, IN THIS POSITION, UM, AT PUBLIC EVENTS AND IN PROACTIVE COMMUNICATION.

BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE A CORNHOLE TOURNAMENT WITH KIDS TEAMED UP WITH FIRST RESPONDERS.

SO WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO MESSAGE THAT OUT AND, AND HAVE MORE OF A DRAW TO THAT.

NOT JUST THE CITY'S PARKS AND REC EVENT, BUT ALSO HOW WE'RE TEAMING UP AND BUILDING THOSE STRONG CONNECTIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

THIS ALLOWS US TO HAVE A CITY FOCUS, BUT ALSO ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SO THAT WE CAN SHOW, NOT JUST BE ON A SCHEDULE WITH ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE CITY.

UM, KATHY, YEAH, IT'S PIGGYBACKING ON THE SAME THING, BUT, AND I THINK YOU SPOKE TO IT BECAUSE IN THAT BULLET POINT, AS WAS POINTED OUT, IT'S STILL A STRONGER, MORE DIRECT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THE POINT THAT YOU BROUGHT UP AND AGREE WITH YOU PROCEDURALLY, THAT THERE WOULD BE A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS.

BUT I DO THINK THAT IF WE DON'T SUPPORT THE POSITION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT SUPPORTING THE, UH, THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

BUT TO THAT,

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I MEAN, TO ME, THAT'S WHAT THIS HINGE IS ON.

IF I CAN BE ASSURED THAT THIS POSITION IS GOING TO FULFILL THAT ROLE, I THINK, AGAIN, IF IT, IF IT'S NOT SUPPORTED, WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING THE WHOLE STRATEGIC PLAN.

BUT, UM, SO I GUESS I'M JUST LOOKING AGAIN FOR MORE ASSURANCE.

YOU'VE GIVEN IT THAT THAT WILL BE WHAT THIS POSITION ADDRESSES.

AND MELISSA, SO AS EVERYONE'S BEEN TALKING, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SORT OF DRUG COMMUNICATIONS WITH, UM, THE COMMUNITY.

WOULD THIS BE A ROLE WHERE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, MAYBE THE CITY HAS AN EVENT PODCASTER, UM, SO LIKE YOUR EVENT, YOU KNOW, HAVE A, A CHANNEL THAT PODCASTING CHANNEL THAT PEOPLE CAN GO AND HEAR WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THAT EVENT AND SAYING, I, I FIRST DIDN'T KNOW THAT EVENT WAS HAPPENING, BUT WOW, THE SWAT GUYS ARE THERE AND THEY HAVE THIS REALLY COOL TRUCK, RIGHT? SO IT JUST, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED JULIE JUST JUMPING IN HER CHAIR? ? I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF WHAT'S REALLY BEEN MISSING IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE OFFICERS THERE, THEY'RE ASSIGNED TO THEIR DUTIES.

IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE WITH A COMMUNICATION HAT ON THEIR THINKING, WHAT CAN WE DO AT THIS EVENT TO, UM, PROMOTE THE GOOD WORK THAT WE'RE DOING HERE, THE CONNECTIONS THAT WE'RE HAPPENING WITH THE COMMUNITY.

SO THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT THOSE SORTS OF OPPORTUNITIES IN A, IN A WAY THAT OFFICERS MAY NOT BE.

AND THEN THEY HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO GO DO SOME FILMING, MAYBE CREATE A QUICK VIDEO, GET THAT POSTED, DO SOME LIVE STREAMING AT AN EVENT, YOU KNOW, LIKE A FACEBOOK LIVE EVENT TO TRY TO GET MORE PEOPLE THERE THAT DAY OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO MAXIMIZE, UM, OUR OUTREACH IN, IN A VARIETY OF ME MEDIA WAYS.

SO, YEAH.

AND THAT'S A REALLY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY.

I THINK IT TELLS A DIFFERENT STORY ABOUT THE POLICE AND, UM, OFFERS CITIZENS A WAY TO CONNECT.

SO I'M, THAT'S AN EXCITING ASPECT.

ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? I CAN MAKE A MOTION IF YOU LIKE.

I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MID FISCAL YEAR EDITION OF ONE FULL-TIME PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER POSITION DEDICATED FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT COMMUNICATIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION, UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE COMMUNICATIONS AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS MANAGER.

OPPOSED IN FAVOR? AYE.

OPPOSED? AYE.

MAY I EXPLAIN MY VOTE IF IT WASN'T ALREADY OBVIOUS? IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE VALUE OF THE POSITION OR THE FUNCTIONS.

IT'S STRICTLY A VOTE NOT TO INCREASE THE FDE AUTHORITY MID-YEAR AND TO USE THE RESOURCES OF THE DEPARTMENT AND CITY TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT THEY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.

THANK YOU, CHARLOTTE.

A TABLE OF RESPONSES TO COMMENTS.

[9.e. AB 3380 Presentation/discussion/possible action related to the Balanced Housing Strategy.]

TONY AND LAURA.

HELLO.

HI, AB 33 80 PRESENTATION DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY.

ALL RIGHT.

HELLO AGAIN.

UM, SO WE WERE, UH, BEFORE YOU IN SEPTEMBER AND WE'RE ASKED TO, UM, TO TAKE A DIFFERENT LOOK AT THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY AND COME BACK WITH A BIT MORE INFORMATION.

AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE, LET'S SEE IF I CAN JUST, WHAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO DO THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE THINGS.

SO WE WERE ASKED TO SIMPLIFY THE STRATEGIES, TASKS AND ACTIONS, ELIMINATE THOSE THAT WERE NOT RECOMMENDED TO PURSUE.

UM, PROVIDE SOME CRITERIA OR MEANS OF PRIORITIZATION.

UM, SO THE COUNCIL CAN PROVIDE DIRECTION ON ORDER OF ACTIONS AND EFFORTS, UM, LOOK AT SOME ANNUAL BENCHMARKS, UM, AND THEN ALSO AMEND THE IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM TO FULLY CONSIDER WORKLOAD AND LEVEL OF EFFORT.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, AND THEN PROVIDE

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AND SO WE TOOK ALL OF THAT, UH, TO HEART AND, UH, TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK THROUGH AND, AND, UH, MAKE SOME, SOME CHANGES, UH, TO THE DOCUMENT.

WE THINK WE HAVE SIMPLIFIED IT, UH, TO SOME DEGREE AND MADE IT MORE ACTION FOCUSED, UM, IN OTHERS.

UM, AND SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT, UM, TO YOU, UH, JUST WHAT CHANGES WE HAD MADE, UM, TO THAT DOCUMENT.

NOW, I SAY THAT THIS IS A 43 PAGE SLIDE PRESENTATION FOR A 59 PAGE DOCUMENT, .

SO, UM, I AM HAPPY TO, UH, TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THIS FASTER THAN OTHERS, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA.

BUT WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO HAVE KIND OF A CHEAT SHEET PROCESS WITH IN THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, WHERE YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT PRESENTATION AND SEE WHERE WE MADE CHANGES AND HOW THOSE CHANGES, UM, WERE MADE.

SO, UH, SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR, FOR THE LENGTH OF THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, WAS JUST TO GIVE YOU AS MUCH DETAIL AS POSSIBLE INTO WHERE CHANGES OCCURRED.

UM, WE DID REDUCE THE NUMBER OF STRATEGIES FROM 22 TO 18, UM, AND WE ALSO REDUCED THE NUMBER OF ACTIONS PROPOSED FROM 46 TO 36.

AND SO, UM, IN SOME CASES THAT DID CHANGE THE NUMBERING, AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN THE, UH, IN THE PRESENTATION ITSELF.

SO AS FAR AS THE PRESENTATION GOES, THIS SHOWS THE CHANGES AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, UH, DISCUSSES CRITERIA AS WELL AS BENCHMARKS, UM, SOME IMPLEMENTATION, NEXT STEPS AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

JUST TO POINT OUT, UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE DOCUMENT IS IN FACT TWO DOCUMENTS.

WE HAVE A PHASE ONE DOCUMENT AND A PHASE TWO DOCUMENT.

WE MADE NO CHANGES TO THE PHASE ONE DOCUMENT.

SO ALL CHANGES WERE MADE IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE ACTIONS DOCUMENT, UM, THOSE CHANGES, UM, SOME OF THEM VERY SMALL, UH, FRONT COVER DATE CHANGE, LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT AGAIN, WANTED TO POINT THEM OUT.

UM, SOME OF IT WAS, A LOT OF IT ACTUALLY WAS SIMPLY CHANGING LANGUAGE, REDUCING LANGUAGE, SIMPLIFYING LANGUAGE, UM, ANYWHERE WE COULD, UM, CHANGING THINGS SUCH AS, UM, THE TERM COST BURDENED.

AND I DISCUSSED THAT BEFORE, UM, AT THE LAST MEETING TO HOUSING VULNERABLE BECAUSE WE FOUND THAT COST BURDEN AT, UM, BY DEFINITION DOES NOT NECESSARILY ALLOW US TO TRACK INDIVIDUALS THAT MAY LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE WEALTH.

UM, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY COLLECT AN ANNUAL INCOME.

AND SO THOSE INDIVIDUALS SHOWED UP AS COST BURDEN.

UM, WE COULDN'T FIND A, A CORRECT WAY TO STILL USE THAT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ACCURATELY WITHOUT, UM, INCLUDING THOSE INDIVIDUALS.

SO WE WENT TO A DIFFERENT DATA SOURCE, UM, IN ORDER TO COME UP WITH INDIVIDUALS LABELED AS HOUSING VULNERABLE.

UM, SO THAT WAS, WAS CHAPTERS ONE AND TWO, CHAPTER THREE OVERALL CHANGES.

UM, AGAIN, MINOR LANGUAGE CHANGES, BUT WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS IN THE PREVIOUS DOCUMENT THERE WAS A NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR EXPLANATION.

WE FELT LIKE THAT EXPLANATION WAS A LITTLE VERBOSE.

UM, SO WE TOOK THE THINGS OUT THAT WEREN'T ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

SO WHEN YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTS IN YELLOW SECTIONS, UM, WE'VE CHANGED THAT TO JUST DISCUSS THE ITEMS AS, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT DEFINED, UM, SO THAT YOU COULD SEE SOME LANGUAGE SPECIFIC TO, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, SPECIFIC ITEMS. PROBABLY THE BIGGEST AND MOST IMPORTANT CHANGE WE WOULD SUGGEST IS, IS THIS SIMPLE, UM, TABLE OR THIS GRAPHIC AS YOU WILL, BECAUSE WE WENT BACK AND TOOK A LOOK AT IT AND WE UNDERSTOOD EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY THAT IT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION AND IT WAS COMPLICATED.

SO WE PUT TOGETHER A GRAPHIC THAT ESSENTIALLY SAYS EVERYTHING THAT IS FOLLOWED IN, UH, IN THE, UH, 18 STRATEGIES.

EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE SUGGESTING REALLY BOILS DOWN TO, UH, THESE ITEMS, THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND REGULATORY CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, UH, AS IT RELATES TO LAND DEVELOPMENT, CODE PROCEDURES, CUSTOMER SERVICE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT PROGRAM UPDATES THAT WOULD REPLACE THE DIGA.

UM, THOSE ARE ALL ADMINISTRATIVE AND REGULATORY THINGS.

UM, AND WE HAVE CITED HERE THAT THOSE ARE STRATEGIES ONE THROUGH FOUR.

UM, IN ADDITION, THE REMAINDER OF MOST OF THE STRATEGIES, UM, DEAL WITH WAYS TO UTILIZE THE HOUSING FUND.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, LOW INTEREST LOANS, REVOLVING LOAN, UM, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT, UM, PROGRAMS THERE WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT, UH, INCLUDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR SENIOR LIVING, COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT, INSTITUTIONAL FAITH BASED, FAITH BASED OPPORTUNITIES.

UM, OUR EXISTING 40

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K DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, LONG-TERM RENTAL, A DU ASSISTANCE, ALL OF THOSE COULD WORK AS, UM, AS THROUGH A REVOLVING LOAN OR OTHER LOW INTEREST LOAN PROGRAM.

AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN SOME OF THAT.

THE SECOND SET WAS HOW WE GET TO PERMANENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING OF, UH, HOUSING.

THAT ESSENTIALLY WE MAKE A PAYMENT INTO ONE TIME, BUT IT STAYS AFFORDABLE FOREVER.

AND SO WE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT COULD DO THAT, UM, THROUGH AN ADDITIONAL DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE OR CONSTRUCTION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, PROPERTY ACQUISITION PLANNING, DISTRIBUTION DEVELOPMENT, ET CETERA.

UM, AND THE THIRD BUCKET FOR THE HOUSING FUND THEN IS HOUSING RENEWAL PROGRAMS. AND THESE ARE PROGRAMS, UH, SUCH AS THE REHABILITATION PROGRAM THAT'S CURRENTLY FUNDED THROUGH CDBG, UM, THAT JUST EXPIRED AND WE JUST MADE THE LAST PAYMENT, UM, FOR THAT PROGRAM.

AND, UH, WE'RE ABLE TO REHAB 13 HOUSES.

BUT, UM, THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE THAT PROGRAM, BUT TO DO IT USING FUNDS THAT DON'T HAVE THE SAME CDBG STRINGS ATTACHED, SO WE CAN BE A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE, DO THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

UM, HOUSING RESILIENCE PROGRAMS, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH A NUMBER OF THESE BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS IS THE ENERGY, UM, PROGRAMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY GOING ON IN WAYS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE THAT.

UM, AND THEN REPLACEMENT PROGRAMS, UM, IS ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THAT DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH OUR AGING MANUFACTURED HOUSING.

UM, SO AND POSSIBILITIES THERE.

WE LABELED THE LAST GROUP AS OTHER EFFORTS, UM, FOR A REASON, EMPLOYER BASED HOUSING.

UM, WE HEARD, WE HEARD YOU, UM, ON THAT RECOMMENDATION.

AND SO WE'VE INDICATED THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY WOULD DO.

WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE A RESEARCH ARM, SOMEBODY COMES TO US AND SAYS, HOW CAN WE DO THIS? WE CAN HELP COME UP WITH BEST PRACTICES, ET CETERA, BUT IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE US ACTIVELY ENGAGING, UM, IN DOING THAT PROGRAM.

UM, FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDING ONLY, IF APPROPRIATE PRE-APPROVED HOUSING PLANS, WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT.

THAT'S ONGOING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, EFFORTS, UM, WOULD BE, UM, THAT'S AN ONGOING TO BE DETERMINED.

UM, AND THEN PROGRAM MARKETING TYPES OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE DONE IN, IN COORDINATION WITH OUR ALREADY OVERWORKED COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT, .

SO, UM, BUT WE WANTED TO PUT ALL OF THIS TOGETHER TO SHOW HOW ALL OF THIS ACTUALLY FUNCTIONS AS A HOLISTIC BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY.

SO THIS IS HOW EVERYTHING FITS TOGETHER.

AND THEN WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE REST OF THE, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE PRESENTATION IS JUST TO SHOW YOU HOW WE'VE CHANGED EACH ONE OF THE STRATEGIES, UM, WHERE WE DID MAKE CHANGES TO A STRATEGY.

WE SHOW YOU BOTH THE, UH, THE NEW VERSION AND THE OLD VERSION.

AND SO THIS IS STRATEGY WAS AN EXAMPLE, UM, WHERE WE REWORDED IT BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE IT, QUITE FRANKLY, JUST DIDN'T SAY WHAT IT DOES.

UM, SO INSTEAD WE TRIED TO BE MORE DIRECT, REPLACE THE CURRENT DIGA WITH AN INVESTMENT OR WITH THE UPDATED APPROACH TO CITY INVESTMENT PROJECT PROGRAMS AND OTHER IMPLEMENTATION EFFORTS, WE FELT WAS A LITTLE MORE SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD.

SO WE TOOK EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE CHANGES LIKE THAT.

WE ALSO, UM, TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE COULD, AGAIN, TO REDUCE STRATEGIES.

AND SO FOR EXAMPLE, HERE, FORMER ACTION 5.1, WHICH DEALT WITH THE CONCIERGE SERVICE, UM, THAT ACTUALLY IS PART OF THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT, UM, PROGRAM.

SO THERE WAS NO NEED TO HAVE THAT AS A SEPARATE STRATEGY.

SO WE ELIMINATED THAT STRATEGY FIVE, AND WE BROUGHT THAT HERE.

WE ALSO TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD LANGUAGE BASED ON COUNCIL FEEDBACK THAT SAYS THE CONCERNS CONCIERGE SERVICE, UM, SHOULD NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT OTHER APPLICATIONS.

SO FOR, YOU KNOW, WE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, ONE THING WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT, UM, ON OUR REGULAR APPLICATIONS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND MAKING SURE THAT BY FAST, BY DESIGNATING STAFF TO FAST TRACK CERTAIN PROJECTS, WE'RE NOT IN FACT NEGATIVELY IMPACTING EVERYBODY ELSE.

TONY, DO YOU WANT QUESTIONS AS WE GO ALONG? ABSOLUTELY.

HAPPY TO TAKE 'EM AS WE GO.

YOU HAVE ONE? YEAH, I SAW YOUR WRITINGS, .

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

SHOULD I GO AHEAD? YEAH.

WE WEREN'T NEGATIVELY IMPACTING.

SO, OKAY.

I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THIS CONCIERGE PROGRAM.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE HOW YOU EXPEDITE ONE CLASS OF APPLICATIONS WITHOUT SLOWING ANOTHER, YOU, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT THE INTENT AND THAT IT WON'T, BUT TELL ME HOW.

'CAUSE I, I DON'T BUY IT AND, AND I MAY BE WRONG TO BE COMPLETELY CANDID.

AND SO I THINK WHAT WE, WE KEEP IT, WE KEPT IT AS A RECOMMENDATION, BUT WE PUT THE LANGUAGE IN TO MAKE SURE THAT

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BECAUSE WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO IS BUILD A PROGRAM.

WE WOULD WANNA LOOK AT OTHER GROUPS THAT HAVE DONE BEST PRACTICES TO SEE HOW THEY DO IT, UM, AND THEN SCRUTINIZE IT BEFORE WE WERE TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT IT.

AND THEN EVEN AS IMPLEMENTING IT, I WOULD SAY IT'S A TEST TO START WITH SO THAT WE WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IMPACT WE'RE HAVING.

WE WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY IT.

UM, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE VERY HONEST AND TELL YOU IF IT DOESN'T WORK.

SO WE KEPT IT IN BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO FIND OUT, WE KNOW THERE ARE OTHER GROUPS THAT DO THIS, UM, SO LET'S TALK TO THEM, FIND OUT HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHOUT NEGATIVELY IMPACTING EVERYBODY ELSE AND WITHOUT ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL STAFF, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT EITHER.

SO WE WANT, AND, AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE'LL COME BACK AND TELL YOU WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT.

UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT ANYBODY FOR THE SAKE OF TRYING TO MOVE SOMETHING A LITTLE FASTER.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM.

BUT HOW DOES IT MANIFEST IN, IN YOUR, YOU KNOW, CRYSTAL BALL, YOU'RE LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE? YEAH.

TWO APPLICATIONS COME IN, ONE GETS CONCIERGE TREATMENT, THE OTHER DOESN'T.

HOW DOES THAT DIVIDE YOUR STAFF? HOW DOES THAT, I MEAN, TWO PEOPLE COME IN WITH APPLICATIONS AT THE SAME TIME.

HOW DO YOU EVEN MAKE THAT, I JUST CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS.

BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS INHERENTLY INEQUITABLE.

AND, AND I WOULD TEND TO AGREE, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE CAN TRY SOME THINGS DIFFERENT.

UM, AND UH, AGAIN, THIS IS EASY TO SAY 11 MONTHS IN BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE TO SEE IF SOME OF THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN TRIED BEFORE.

BUT I'LL GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE.

UM, THE PROCESS WE CURRENTLY USE NOW TO RUN OUR APPLICATIONS IS A STEP BY STEP PROCESS.

SO OUR STAFF REVIEW SOMETHING AND THEN WE SEND IT TO PUBLIC WORKS.

AND THEN PUBLIC WORKS GOES THROUGH A PROCESS.

AND SO EVERYBODY IS KIND OF AS A LADDER GOING THROUGH AN ANALYSIS.

UM, I'VE WORKED IN OTHER PLACES WHERE WE DO THAT AS A, A WAR ROOM.

SO WE BASICALLY GO THROUGH, EVERYBODY HAS A WEEK, WE GET THAT, THAT APPLICATION IN, WE WORK IT TOGETHER, AND THEN WE SEND IT OUT.

SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY SAVE WEEKS, SO YOU'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT A BIFURCATED PROCESS.

SO YOU'RE GONNA TAKE IT AND YOU'RE GONNA RUN IT ON TRACK SIMULTANEOUSLY.

WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO THAT FOR EVERY APPLICATION? WE COULD DO THAT FOR EVERY APPLICATION IF, IF IT TURNS OUT TO BE WORTHWHILE.

SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S NOT TO SAY IT'S BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE, I DON'T LIKE CREATING A PROCESS THAT SAYS, HEY, YOU GET A FAST PASS AND IT'S A BETTER PROCESS, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO DO THE SLOW ANTIQUATED PROCESS.

IF IT TURNS OUT TO WORK REALLY, REALLY WELL, THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE PARTS OF IT AND IMPLEMENT IT.

UM, SO, AND WE CAN IMPLEMENT IT FOR EVERYBODY.

SO IT MAY END UP THAT IT'S NOT IN FACT A CONCIERGE SERVICE.

IT'S JUST DOING BUSINESS BETTER.

SO WHERE WOULD IT SAY THAT? BECAUSE WHAT I'M REACTING TO IS THE TERM CONCIERGE.

IT IMPLIES, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

AND PREFERENCE WHAT WE, WHAT WE COULD YES, IT IS.

YEAH, IT DOES, UM, BY NAME.

AND SO I WOULD SAY IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS OF CONCERN, THEN WE SIMPLY REMOVE THE LANGUAGE.

WE'RE STILL GONNA GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO MAKE OUR PROCEDURES BETTER.

RIGHT? AND IF IT TURNS OUT THAT IN TALKING TO OTHER PEOPLE, THERE'S A WAY TO DO TWO PROCESSES THAT DOESN'T IMPACT OTHER FOLKS, AND THEN WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND TALK TO THAT.

UM, THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF A, OF A PLAN, RIGHT? WE CAN COME BACK AND MAKE AMENDMENTS AS WE GO.

SO I HAVE NO HEARTBURN REMOVING THAT ONE.

UM, WE'RE STILL GONNA WORK ON WAYS TO IMPROVE OUR PROCESS OVERALL, A STREAMLINED PROCESS SPEAKS TO ME VERY DIFFERENTLY THAN A CONCIERGE PROCESS.

SEE IF THERE'S AN EXPEDITED PROCESS OUT.

IT ALSO SOUNDS KIND OF SNOBBY, BUT I COULDN'T COME UP WITH A BETTER WORD.

WELL, WHO DETERMINES WHETHER YOU'RE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT PRO? SO THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE PART OF THE, WHEN WE REDO WHAT IS, SO YOUR DIGA CURRENTLY HAS AN EXPEDITED PROCESS IN IT.

IT'S NEVER USED, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN EXPEDITED PROCESS.

WE DUNNO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

AND SO, UM, SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY JUST ANOTHER VERSION OF THAT, BUT IT WANTS TO TEST TO SEE, UM, WHAT AN EXPEDITED PROCESS FOR US WOULD LOOK LIKE.

THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT DO EXPEDITED PROCESSES, UM, BUT WE WOULD NEED TO INVESTIGATE THEM.

IN FAIRNESS, I TRULY HAVEN'T, UM, TO LOOK TO SEE WHAT THOSE COMMUNITIES DO.

SO, UM, SO YOUR, AND SO I SAY THAT TO SAY THAT YOUR DIGA ALREADY SAYS YOU HAVE AN EXPEDITED PROCESS.

WE REALLY ACTUALLY DON'T.

AND SO THIS IS TO CARRY THAT FORWARD AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE AND WE JUST GAVE IT A DIFFERENT NAME.

UM, BUT AS I SAID, I'M ALSO COMPLETELY FINE TO LOOK AT THIS, UM, WITHOUT THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE, BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD EITHER WAY AND WE'LL STILL DO RESEARCH TO

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THE PROCESS OUT THERE WE CAN USE.

IF IT TURNS OUT WE DO, WE CAN COME BACK.

SO PRETTY EASY.

SO I WOULD NOT LOSE HEART.

I, I I LOSE NO SLEEP OVER REMOVING THAT.

IF WE WANT TO, MIGHT THE EXPEDITING HAPPEN BY OUTSOURCING THAT PARTICULAR FUNCTION SO THAT IF YOU WANT INTERNAL STAFF TO DO IT, THIS IS THE TURNAROUND TIME.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A ABILITY TO SEND IT OUT AND YOU'RE GONNA PAY PAY FOR THAT DIFFERENCE.

BUT IT WILL BE FASTER.

WE COULD, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A THIRD PARTY THAT WE USE FOR DEVELOPMENT AND REVIEW SPECIFIC TO, UM, BUILDING PERMITS, RIGHT? AND MOST SPECIFICALLY FOR COMMERCIAL PERMITS.

OR IF WE ARE JUST OVERWHELMED WITH SMALLER RESIDENTIAL PERMITS, UM, WE COULD ALWAYS LOOK AT EXPANDING THAT PROGRAM TO INCLUDE THE, UM, THE REMAIN, THE, THE ADDITIONAL PARTS OF OF DEVELOPMENT SO THAT THERE IS AN OUTSOURCING OPPORTUNITY.

UM, WE'D WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND BRING YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT ADDITIONAL COST WOULD BE.

'CAUSE OF COURSE IT WOULD BE.

UM, BUT BEFORE WE ENTERTAINED IT, WE'D WANT TO COME BACK TO YOU AS AN, AN OPTION TO SAY WE COULD DO IT.

IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA.

UM, WE CAN, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD WANNA BE VERY CANDID WITH WHAT THE PRICE WOULD BE.

DEFINITELY CANDID WITH IT, BUT I THINK THE APPLICANT WOULD BE MORE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT EXPEDITED MEANS AND WHY THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL COST IF THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT WELL, THIS IS GOING A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OUTSIDE ROUTE, UM, RATHER THAN SOME INTERNAL THING THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IT'S NOT FAIR IN SOME WAY.

AND IT WOULD END UP BEING A COST THAT BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT STRATEGY OR IN THIS CASE, OR USING THE OLD LANGUAGE, THE DIGGA, THEN IT WOULD BE A COST THAT ESSENTIALLY IS ABSORBED BY THE CITY.

IT WOULD NOT BE ABSORBED BY THE APPLICANT.

AND SO, UM, IT WOULD BE A COST WE WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE WE WANT TO UNDERTAKE.

SO.

EXCELLENT.

SHOULD I KEEP GOING? YEP.

EXCELLENT.

HOUSE, MAIN HOUSE? NO, NO, YOU CANNOT.

SO IN ADDITION THEN, CHAPTER OR STRATEGY TWO, WE DID NOT CHANGE THE, THE LANGUAGE OF THE STRATEGY.

WE DID SOME REWORDING, UM, SOME MINOR LANGUAGE CHANGES, BUT AGAIN, NOTHING INCREDIBLY MAJOR THERE.

CHAT STRATEGY THREE, SAME THING.

UM, WE DID NOT CHANGE THE, UH, THE LANGUAGE OF THE STRATEGY.

WE DID ADD ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE, UM, BASED ON, UM, FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ON A NET PROMOTER SCORE, ADDITIONAL DESCRIPTION AS TO WHAT THAT COULD ENTAIL AND DEFINE.

UM, AND THEN ADDED SOME, UH, CLEARLY DEFINED SOME OTHER THINGS WE ADD.

WE ADDED ONE ADDITIONAL PIECE AGAIN, BASED ON FEEDBACK, AND THAT WAS ACTION 3.3 TO INSTITUTE A SERVICE EXCELLENCE PROGRAM.

UM, AND THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, CUSTOMER SERVICE, UH, COMING BACK TO ANOTHER TOOL THAT WE COULD USE TO, UM, TO REWARD STAFF THROUGH RECOGNITION, UM, OF WHAT EXCELLENCE LOOKS LIKE AND, AND HOW WE STRIVE TOWARDS THAT.

SO CLOSING AN INTERNAL IDEA, NUMBER FOUR IS THE LDC, THE BIG CHANGES THERE.

AGAIN, WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE, THE LANGUAGE TO THE STRATEGY.

UM, WE DID SIMPLIFY, UM, THE LANGUAGE IN THE TASKS REMOVED REDUNDANT LANGUAGE, UM, THE MISSING MIDDLE EXPLANATION, GOT A REAL DIET, AND, UM, AND WE ADDED A COUPLE OF GRAPHICS TO, TO BE HELPFUL THERE.

UM, SAME THING.

LET'S SEE.

WE ADDED LANGUAGE ABOUT POTENTIALLY REDUCING MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS.

WE DID THAT BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING THAT AS SOMETHING THAT'S COMING DOWN FROM STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

UM, MASSACHUSETTS IS LITERALLY GOING TO TAKE IT TO A VOTE, UM, HERE IN THE NEXT ELECTION.

UM, BEING ABLE TO REDUCE LOT SIZES AND UM, AND HOME SIZES, UM, ACROSS THE STATE.

AND SO WE WANTED TO GET AN ADVANCE ON SOME OF THESE THINGS AND START TAKING A LOOK AT, UM, BEING ABLE TO REDUCE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS ON OUR OWN BEFORE SOMEBODY GETS THE PRIVILEGE OF TELLING US WE'RE GONNA DO IT.

AND SO, UM, ACTION 4.5.

UM, WE, WE MADE AN AMENDMENT AND ADDED A TASK ON LOT SPLITS, UM, AS A POSSIBILITY.

AND THE IDEA THERE BEING, WE ARE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT, UM, ADUS, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE IDEA OF ALLOWING PEOPLE TO SIMPLY SPLIT THEIR LOT AND THEN LET SOMEBODY OWN THE BACK HALF AS, AS OPPOSED TO AN A DU THAT THEY, THEY CONTINUE TO RENT.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION THAT WE'VE PLACED IN HERE.

CAN YOU HAVE AN A DU IF YOU HAVE NO

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WHAT DID YOU SAY? CAN YOU HAVE AN A DU? YEAH, BUT IF YOU ARE, YOU HAVE AN A DU IF YOU DON'T HAVE A MAIN HOUSE, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, YOU SPLIT THE LOT AND YOU HAVE AN A DU, BUT IT'S AN A DU TO WHAT, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THERE IS BY SPLITTING, THEN YOU WOULD ALLOW A SMALLER UNIT ON THE BACK.

THAT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT YOURS ANYMORE.

IT'S NOT AN A BU, IT'S SOMEBODY'S ABILITY TO OWN A TINY HOME.

IN, IN THE OTHER, THE OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY.

UM, WE ELIMINATED WHAT WAS THE FORMER STRATEGY? FIVE.

SO, UM, AND THEN MOVE THE ACTION.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

UM, CURRENT STRATEGY FIVE, WHICH WAS FORMER STRATEGY SIX.

AGAIN, CHANGING THE LANGUAGE TO AMEND EXISTING CITY HOUSING PROGRAMS TO BETTER BE GAPS IN TARGETS AS OPPOSED TO THE LANGUAGE USED BEFORE.

UM, WE DID MAKE SOME PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES HERE.

THIS IS WHERE WE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THE CURRENT TWO DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS, BOTH OF THEM AT $40,000 AND SIMPLY COMBINE THE TWO AS OUR RECOMMENDATION.

THEY'RE NOT THAT FAR APART AS THEY STAND.

SO, AND THEY BOTH SERVE THE SAME PURPOSE.

IT'S JUST ONE IS DEDICATED TOWARDS CITY EMPLOYEES.

THE OTHER IS DEDICAT DEDICATED TOWARDS EMPLOYEES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, UM, OF OUTSIDE OF MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT, BUT WITHIN CITY LIMITS.

SO PUTTING THOSE TWO TOGETHER, THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE PROPOSED ADDING A NEW DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, UM, THAT IS SEDONA CENTRIC.

AND SPECIFICALLY THE IDEA THERE IS $40,000 DOESN'T MAKE A DENT, UM, IN SOMEBODY'S INTEREST IN LIVING IN THE CITY OF SEDONA.

UM, AND WE PUT A TABLE AT THE BACK OF THE, UH, THE PRESENTATION THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE GAP IS THAT MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE FACING.

THE IDEA HERE IS THAT THIS WOULD BE A MUCH LARGER AMOUNT, UM, THAT COULD BE UP TO $150,000.

WE'RE NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE 150,000, WE'RE SAYING IT COULD BE UP TO THAT AMOUNT.

BUT, UM, WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS ALLOW SOMEBODY TO LIVE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA.

WHAT WE WOULD ASK IN RETURN IS THAT THAT BECOME PERMANENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IT WOULD GO TO A LAND TRUST.

SO ESSENTIALLY WE PAY ONE TIME FOR A UNIT THAT STAYS FOREVER AFFORDABLE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.

SO THAT'S THE SECOND, UH, THAT'S THE SECOND DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PIECE WE WOULD ADD BECAUSE SERIOUSLY, UM, LOOKING AT DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE AS A WAY OF CREATING HOME OWNERSHIP, AFFORDABLE HOME OWNERSHIP.

THIS MIGHT BE ONE OF THE FEW WAYS TO DO IT.

THIS WORKS IN THE WAY THAT OTHER CITIES WORK WITH DEED RESTRICTION PROGRAMS. WE JUST CAN'T DO DEED RESTRICTION PROGRAMS THE WAY THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES CAN, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS ONE.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT AN INDIVIDUAL HOME MM-HMM .

WOULD BE PUT INTO A LAND TRUST MM-HMM .

AS OPPOSED TO ATTRACTIVE HOUSES? CORRECT.

SO, YES.

SO ESSENTIALLY IT WOULD, AND, AND LAND TRUSTS ARE BUILT TO BE ABLE TO DO SCATTERED SITE AS WELL.

SO THIS WOULD BE A SCATTERED SITE PROGRAM FOR A LAND TRUST.

UM, AND THE NICE THING ABOUT IT IS IT PUTS ALL OF THE, UH, IT'S ESSENTIALLY GIVES THE POWER TO THE, TO THE POTENTIAL HOME BUYER, UM, TO CHOOSE THE SITE THEY WANT WITHIN REASON.

UM, WE'RE NOT BUYING MILLION DOLLAR HOMES, UM, BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION, BUT IF YOU ARE A PERSON THAT IS 150% OF A MI, UM, THEN, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, TO BUY INTO OUR COMMUNITY WHERE CURRENTLY YOU CANNOT.

SO IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS OVERALL HOUSING STRATEGY THIS EVENING MM-HMM .

EACH INDIVIDUAL PROGRAM WOULDN'T BE APPROVED PER SE.

RIGHT? WE STILL HAVE SO MUCH WORK TO DO ON EACH ONE OF THESE, AND WE WOULD WANT TO COME BACK TO YOU BEFORE WE IMPLEMENTED ANYTHING ON SOME OF THESE, PARTICULARLY THIS, BECAUSE THIS ONE'S A BIG ASK.

AND SO WE'D WANT TO COME BACK TO IT AND SHOW YOU.

PLUS WE STILL HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE LAND TRUST AND BUILD A PROGRAM WITH THE LAND TRUST, ET CETERA.

THERE'S A LOT OF WORK.

UM, AND THAT'S WHY ON THIS ONE, BACK IN THE IMPLEMENTATION TABLE, YOU'LL SEE WE, WE, I THINK WE ASKED FOR UP TO 18 MONTHS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT THE TIME IT TAKES TO EVEN BUILD THE PROGRAM BEFORE WE CAN EVEN START TO COME BACK TO YOU.

WELL, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE.

I JUST WANNA ENSURE THAT THIS ISN'T AN APPROVAL FOR AN INDIVIDUAL PROGRAM, BUT IT'S APPROVED.

NOT YET.

UM, ACTION 5.3 LANGUAGE WAS SIMPLIFIED.

NO, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU FOR EACH OF THESE PROGRAMS AS WELL, SO THAT YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE.

PLUS WE'LL HAVE TO COME TO YOU, FRANKLY, WITH OUR COLLECTIVE ACT MORE TOGETHER TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU THE DETAIL ON WHERE THE MONEY WOULD COME FROM, HOW MUCH WE WOULD NEED, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO,

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ACTION 5.4 IS A BIG CHANGE AS WELL, BECAUSE WE ARE, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE THE RENT LOCAL INDEED RESTRICTION PROGRAMS WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

THEY ARE QUITE FRANKLY, JUST NOT EFFECTIVE.

SO THAT ONE WAS HONESTLY THE BIGGEST ONE.

UM, STRATEGY SIX.

UM, AGAIN, WE CHANGED THE, UH, THE LANGUAGE, UM, TO ASSIST EMPLOYERS AND DEVELOPERS TO EXPAND HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR DENNIS SEDONAS WORKFORCE, UM, AS OPPOSED TO PREVIOUS LANGUAGE, WHICH THAT WE WOULD PARTNER WITH.

UM, SO WE JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WE ARE, WE ARE NOT HERE TO, UM, TO NECESSARILY INSTIGATE WORKING WITH EMPLOYERS.

SO WE'RE HERE TO ASSIST.

UM, STRATEGY SEVEN, SAME THING, CHANGED THE LANGUAGE.

UM, ADDED SOME SIMPLICITY.

WE DID ADD A NEW BULLET TO SUPPORT WHAT WE CALL INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND THE IDEA BEHIND INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT IS THAT INDIVIDUALS THAT WANT TO TAKE ON DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE LOCAL, THEY'VE DABBLED IN IT BEFORE, THEY JUST WANNA BE ABLE TO TAKE OUT A LOW INTEREST LOAN AND, AND, UM, MAYBE REHAB A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE, UM, AND PUT RESIDENTIAL ON TOP.

WE WANT THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND DO THAT.

SO WE'VE CREATED AN AVENUE FOR SOME OF THAT TO HAPPEN TOO.

IT JUST BASICALLY CREATES MANY MORE DEVELOPERS, UM, FROM THE COMMUNITY.

UM, STRATEGY EIGHT, UM, BUILD AWARENESS.

INSTEAD OF IMPLEMENTING A MARKETING AND NAVIGATION PROGRAM, WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.

WE NEED TO SIMPLY BUILD AWARENESS OF OUR EXISTING, OF, OF OUR HOUSING RESOURCES.

SO WE REFINED THAT TO REFLECT THE CHANGE.

SAME THING.

STRATEGY NINE.

UM, THE ONLY REAL DIFFERENCE HERE IS WE BIFURCATED, UH, AND ACTION SO THAT IT COULD 9.1 FOCUSES EXCLUSIVELY ON ADUS.

UM, AND THEN 9.2 LOOKS AT OTHER SMALL SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD OPPORTUNITIES.

UM, SO WE JUST BASICALLY MADE THEM EACH A LITTLE MORE REALISTIC OR A LITTLE MORE EASY TO UNDERSTAND.

UM, STRATEGY 10, AGAIN, SIMPLIFYING LANGUAGE.

AND YOU CAN SEE HOW, UM, USE PUBLIC LAND AND STRATEGIC LAND ACQUISITION TO FACILITATE NEW HOUSING.

UM, WHEREAS THE PREVIOUS LANGUAGE SAID WE WOULD CONSTRUCT NEW HOUSING, UM, WE MADE THAT CHANGE BECAUSE WE HEARD THE FEEDBACK FROM FOLKS SAYING, WE SHOULD NOT BE IN THE DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS.

WE'D NEVER WANTED TO BE IN THE DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS, BUT I COULD SEE WHERE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE GAVE PEOPLE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE GONNA GO OUT AND PLAY DEVELOPER STRATEGY 11.

UH, CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BY PRIVATE INSTITUTION AND NONPROFIT PARTNERS BEFORE THAT LANGUAGE JUST SPECIFICALLY SPOKE TO, UM, PUBLIC AND INSTITUTIONAL PARTNERS.

UM, AND WE REALIZED THAT IN THE PREVIOUS LANGUAGE, THERE WERE NO STRATEGIES THAT TALKED TO PRIVATE DEVELOPERS.

SO WE ADDED THAT IN.

AND WE'RE PROPOSING LOW INTEREST LOAN PROGRAMS, UM, THAT ARE IN THAT INITIAL CHART TO HELP MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

UM, AND AGAIN, OPPORTUNITIES TO COORDINATE WITH THE LAND TRUST STRATEGY 12 LANGUAGE WAS UNCHANGED ON THE STRATEGY.

WE MADE A COUPLE CHANGES HERE, UM, JUST TO IMPROVE FLEXIBILITY IN THE STRATEGY STRATEGY 13.

UM, WE REMOVED THE DISCUSSION OF LEGISLATIVE AMENDMENTS, UM, AND OTHERWISE THAT THAT REMAINED UNCHANGED.

UM, FORMER STRATEGY 15 THAT DISCUSSED HOAS WAS ELIMINATED, UM, PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE HEARD YOU AND WE HEARD THE FEEDBACK FROM OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE IN THE BUSINESS OF, UM, TELLING OHOA, YOU KNOW, PRI TRYING TO CONVINCE O HOAS HOAS TO WORK A CERTAIN WAY.

UM, STRATEGY 14, AGAIN, LANGUAGE WAS UNCHANGED ON THE STRATEGY.

UM, WE DID MAKE SOME VERY MINOR CHANGES HERE.

WE DID ADD A NEW ACTION, UH, RECOMMENDING THE CREATION OF A REVOLVING LOAN FUND OR SIMILAR TOOL.

UM, AND THAT WOULD BE WHAT WOULD ALLOW FOR MANY OF THE LOW INTEREST LOAN PROGRAMS. AGAIN, BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU AND REQUEST THE PROGRAM.

UM, FORMER STRATEGY 17 HAS BEEN ELIMINATED.

STRATEGY 15 LANGUAGE WAS UNCHANGED.

STRATEGY 16, UH, LANGUAGE IN THE BULLET TASKS WERE, WERE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT JUST TO ENCOURAGE, UH, TO FOCUS ON ENCOURAGING AND ASSISTING RATHER THAN PLAYING A STRONGER ROLE IN OUR ROLE WITH CHILDCARE.

AND HERE WE'RE JUST SUPPORTING CHILDCARE PROVIDERS.

WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY TRYING TO GET IN THE BUSINESS OF CREATING CHILDCARE.

17, UM, LANGUAGE WAS SIMPLIFIED.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST REGIONAL COORDINATION.

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UM, STRATEGY 18, UM, FOR DEVELOPING A ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY REMAINED UNCHANGED.

AND STRATEGY 22 WAS ELIMINATED.

SO THE LANGUAGE THAT FOLLOWS FOR THE REST OF THIS, WE, WE LEFT MOST OF THE LANGUAGE, UH, FOR IMPLEMENTATION THE SAME UNTIL WE GOT TO THE IMPLEMENTATION TABLE.

AND YOU CAN SEE, UM, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN THAT SO MANY OF THE, UM, ITEMS SAID THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WOULD DO THEM.

UM, THANK YOU, UM, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THERE.

WE FIXED THAT.

AND, UM, BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE NOW BY ADDING IN THE HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIST, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ANALYST, WHICH IS LAURA AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS, TAKING ON MORE OF THESE TASKS SO THAT I CAN ACTUALLY DO MY OTHER PARTS OF MY JOB.

UM, WE ALSO LOOKED AT TIMEFRAMES.

WE SCRUTINIZED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE IMPLEMENTATION, UH, ITEMS. AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE MADE ADJUSTMENTS TO TIMEFRAMES AND IN SOME CASES MADE ADJUSTMENTS, UM, TO COST BASED ON WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE MORE REALISTIC.

SO, UM, THOSE CHANGES ARE REFLECTED, UM, THROUGHOUT EACH ONE OF THOSE IMPLEMENTATION ITEMS. YOU CAN ALSO SEE WHERE WE, UM, TRIED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC.

WHEN WE SAID IMMEDIATE OR SHORT TERM, WE TRIED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION.

UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE IMPLEMENTATION ITEM, IF IT WAS IMMEDIATE, MAYBE THAT'S IMMEDIATE SAYING, WE'LL DO THAT WITHIN A YEAR, UM, OR IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE CAN ACCOMPLISH IN SIX MONTHS, WE WOULD TELL YOU THAT.

SO WE TRIED TO BE MORE CLEAR ON THE THINGS WE WOULD BE DOING RIGHT AWAY.

UM, LAST ITEMS. YOU ASKED FOR CRITERIA ON PRIORITIZATION.

AND SO WE PROVIDED YOU WITH SIX ITEMS TO THINK ABOUT IN TERMS OF THINGS THAT WE SHOULD PRIORITIZE, UM, HOW IT ALIGNS WITH OUR TARGETS AND GAPS, POTENTIAL FOR MEANINGFUL IMPACT, ABILITY TO INFLUENCE SUCCESS, UH, FEASIBILITY OF SUCCESS, REASONABLENESS VERSUS AVAILABLE FUNDING AND STAFF, BROADER COMMUNITY BENEFIT.

AND THEN AS FAR AS BENCHMARKS GO, UM, WE TOOK A LOT OF THESE BENCHMARKS FROM THE EXISTING TARGETS.

PROGRESS TOWARDS 775 UNITS, LEVEL OF PRESERVATION, UM, AND IMPACT WE CAN HAVE ON PRESERVATION OF UNITS, FAMILIES AND WORKING AGE HOUSEHOLDS, METRIC A HOUSING VULNERABLE SENIORS METRIC, UM, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IMPACT, AS WELL AS IMPLEMENTATION SUCCESS AND OUR ABILITY TO IMPLEMENT THE STRATEGY.

LAST SLIDES VERY QUICKLY.

THINGS WE'RE ALREADY DOING, UH, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THE CODE CRITIQUE AND WE WILL BEGIN WRITING THE RFP, UH, FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

UM, AND, UH, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT ADMINISTRATIVE IMPROVEMENTS AND PUBLIC INVESTMENT PROGRAM.

WE HAVE JUST STARTED TO GET INTO THAT.

UM, AND WE ARE, UH, INTERVIEWING FOR THE HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION SPECIALIST.

SO WE'RE EXCITED TO GET THAT PERSON IN PLACE.

THE NEXT PIECE THEN IS 24 11 89 A AND SUNSET LOFTS.

UM, WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING IS THE TWO PROPERTIES, A SINGLE RFP, UM, WE WOULD PROVIDE THE TARGETS AND GAPS, UM, ALLOW PROPOSAL FLEXIBILITY ON THE PROPOSAL.

SO ESSENTIALLY WE WOULD GIVE THEM SOME LIMITED GUARDRAILS, BUT WE WOULD TELL THEM TO GIVE US WHAT THEY THINK SHOULD HAPPEN ON HERE, GIVEN OUR TARGETS AND GAPS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ACHIEVE.

WE WOULD HOST A PRE-PROPOSAL MEETING IN ADVANCE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN IT.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER ADDITIONAL CHARACTER TRAITS? DO WE WANT TO, DO WE WANT TO FOCUS ON CREATING OPEN SPACE? DO WE WANT A SPECIFIC KIND OF DESIGN? THOSE ARE TYPES OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAY WANT TO THINK ABOUT, UM, IN THIS.

AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO LIMIT THE USE OF FEDERAL FUNDS? UM, OR DO WE WANT, LET, UH, GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEIR BEST PITCH REGARDLESS? UM, DO WE CARE ABOUT HEIGHT? I THINK WE DO.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO THE LAST PIECES ARE, UM, YOU MAY RECALL IN THE TARGETS, ONE OF THE THINGS WE SAID WAS THAT OF THE 7 75 UNITS, UM, THAT THE, UM, THAT MORE THAN HALF WOULD BE OWNERSHIP IS, WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION.

UM, BUT WE DIDN'T SAY HOW MUCH.

UM, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS.

ONE, BOTH ARE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

SO WHEN WE SAY, UM, THAT WE THINK THE, UH, THAT MORE THAN HALF SHOULD BE OWNERSHIP, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LITERALLY SAYING JUST MORE THAN HALF.

SO WHAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING IS THAT THE NUMBER LITERALLY WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR OWNERSHIP WOULD BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 51% TO 55%.

UM, AND THEN THE REMAINDER BEING RENTAL BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL, UM, TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A GATEWAY FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE HERE AND TO CREATE A PATH FORWARD FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE HERE PERMANENTLY.

SO, UM,

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SO WE ARE, WE ARE SUGGESTING, AND WE'VE PROVIDED JUST A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION AS TO WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE BOTH AND AS WELL AS SOME SUPPORTING INFORMATION THAT CAME FROM THE PHASE ONE DOCUMENT AS IT RELATES TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE SIT IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF RENTER OCCUPIED UNITS WE HAVE.

YES MA'AM.

THE HALF, UM, THE 50% OF OWNERSHIP, ARE YOU TALKING HALF OF THE 7 75 BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE TWO 20 UNDERWAY? YES.

OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HALF OF THE 555 REMAINING TO BE CRAFTED? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HALF OF THE 775.

SO THAT INCLUDES NAVAJO LOFTS BECAUSE THAT'S AT THE HIGH END.

UM, THAT IS, THAT ALSO INCLUDES, UM, JORDAN TOWN HOMES.

THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THE OTHERS THAT WE'RE ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH.

SO, AND AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION.

WE ARE OPEN TO THE DIRECTION WE WOULD RECEIVE FROM COUNCIL.

I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THIS ACTUALLY.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ACHIEVE IT OTHER THAN LAND TRUST.

EXACTLY.

AND I MEAN, WE DIDN'T GET OVER 300 UNITS IN A LAND TRUST.

THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL.

IT'S DAUNTING.

IT IS.

AND, AND BEING VERY CANDID, AGAIN, UM, CREATING OWNERSHIP IS MUCH HARDER FROM OUR SIDE THAN CREATING RENTERSHIP.

UM, WE CAN INCENT RENTERSHIP MUCH EASIER, FRANKLY.

BUT, UM, IT'S A MUCH BIGGER LIFT TO GET THE OWNERSHIP SIDE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE.

LIFT.

IT IS, YEAH.

EVERY PART OF IT'S HARDER.

IT WOULD STRIKE ME THAT 300 UNITS IN LAND TRUST IS A STRATEGY ALL OF ITS OWN.

THAT IS A SEPARATE DOCUMENT AND PRESENTATION.

AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW, I MEAN, IT, IT TAKES A LOT OF THE BURDEN OFF OF ALL OF THIS, BUT IT'S ITS OWN SEPARATE THING THAT NEEDS AS MUCH VETTING AS THIS HAS GONE THROUGH MM-HMM .

SO, UH, ARE WE, ARE WE IN THE RIGHT PLACE TALKING ABOUT THE RIGHT THING AT THE RIGHT TIME? I THINK THAT'S, AND HONESTLY, I WOULD, I WOULD SEEK GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL ON THAT, TO BE FAIR.

UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, WE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT VARIABLES.

UM, THE ABILITY TO ACQUIRE A HOUSE NOW, UM, I WAS JUST TALKING TO, UH, TO A COLLEAGUE WHO IS LOOKING BETWEEN RENTING AND BUYING AND NEEDS TO LOOK AT BOTH.

AND HE SAID THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT ONE OF THEM IS, UM, INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT.

FINDING A PLACE TO RENT AND THE OTHER IS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE.

AND SO IT'S, SO THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE ABSOLUTELY NEED A RENTER.

AND I COULD, I HONESTLY, WE COULD FLIP THIS THE SAME WAY IF WE WANTED TO.

AND SAY MAYBE 55% GETS DEDICATED TOWARDS RENTER.

I WILL BE HONEST.

THAT WOULD BE EASIER FOR ME.

UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE.

UM, I THINK THE OWNERSHIP PIECE, QUITE FRANKLY IS, IS, IS MORE OF A NEED FOR US, IS JUST A MUCH HARDER AND HEAVIER AND MORE, UH, EXPENSIVE, UH, LIFT.

AND THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY TO THIS TOO, IS AGAIN, BEAUTY OF A PLAN.

WE MAY BE TALKING ABOUT THIS NEXT YEAR AND SAY, WOW, THAT WAS REALLY NOT SMART.

AND UM, AND WE MAY NEED TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT ON IT TOO.

SO THAT'S WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS RIGHT NOW.

BUT WE ARE COMPLETELY OPEN TO GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL.

I, I JUST AGAIN, THINK THAT IF YOU'RE BANKING SO MUCH OF THIS ON LAND TRUST AS A PORTION OF IT, THAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING MORE DETAIL ABOUT LAND TRUST.

AND WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU EVERY ONE OF THESE PROGRAMS BECAUSE A LOT OF IT IS, IS BASED ON TWO THINGS.

ONE, BEING ABLE TO, UH, UM, TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH THROUGH THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

THE OTHER IS WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT WE PAY INTO THIS, WE'RE PAYING INTO IT SO THAT THOSE PROPERTIES GO INTO A LAND TRUST.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO BIGGEST WAYS TO GET IT INTO OWNERSHIP, FRANKLY.

UM, SO, AND THIS IS WHY RENTER IS EASIER.

YOU THINK WE CAN DO THAT WITHOUT DEVELOPING THE DELLS? YES.

YOU DO.

THIS IS WHERE I WANNA SAY THIS IS WHERE I THINK THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO GO.

I DO.

UM, I WILL SAY, I THINK A LOT OF IT IS GOING TO BE BASED ON THE POPULARITY OF THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

JUST THINK 150,000 MM-HMM .

LET'S JUST, WE'LL JUST USE THAT.

AND WE MAY LOOK AT THAT AND SAY THAT'S, THAT'S OUT OF REACH.

AND AGAIN, BEING VERY REALISTIC AND, AND AGAIN,

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BUT AGAIN, UM, IT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IF WE WANT TO GIVE IT A TRY, SEE WHERE IT GOES, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND SAY, YEAH, THAT WAS REALLY POPULAR, BUT HOLY COW, THAT'S EXPENSIVE.

AND MAYBE WE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.

AND SO IT'S, UM, GONNA BE VERY CANDID.

I THINK IT'S, IT IS A HEAVY LIFT.

IT'S, IT'S A BIG BURDEN.

UM, BUT I'M, I'M GIVING YOU MORE OF WHERE I THINK WE NEED TO GO.

NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, OF, UH, KNOWING THAT IT'S GONNA COST MORE THAN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE, UH, HOUSING FUND.

BEING AGAIN, VERY CANDID.

BRIAN.

TONY, THIS FEELS ARBITRARY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAJORITY OWNERSHIP.

UM, YOU AND I TALKED AND I ASKED YOU FOR ANALYSIS THAT SHOWS TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP VERSUS TOTAL COST RENTING.

TO SEE WHAT DOES THAT TELL US TO HELP INFORM, YOU KNOW, THIS CASE OF WHAT THE BALANCE SHOULD BE, RIGHT? YEP.

DO WE HAVE THAT? WE DON'T ACTUALLY, I MISS, I FORGOT THAT PART OF THE ASSIGNMENT, JUST AGAIN, BEING VERY HONEST.

SO I WOULD BE, UM, IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF REVISITING THAT NUMBER, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME BACK AND BRING THAT NUMBER BACK.

UM, BUT I APOLOGIZE.

I DID NOT.

IT'S ALL THE MONEY I FORGOT.

I MEAN, THE GREAT AMERICAN DREAM, RIGHT? THAT'S THE WHOLE HOME OWNERSHIP THING.

THE GREAT AMERICAN DREAM.

IT'S A, IT'S A POST WORLD WAR II CONCEPT, RIGHT? AND THE QUESTION BECOMES, IS THAT THE RIGHT IDEA FOR HERE? RIGHT.

IT'S HARD ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET HERE.

I MEAN, YOU'VE JUST BEEN SAYING IT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT? YOU, YOUR QUIP WAS SOMETHING ABOUT YEAH.

OH YEAH.

SO IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REALLY HARD TO FIND AND, AND IMPOSSIBLE.

PARAPHRASING THEM.

SO, SO WHY PUT SO MANY EGGS IN THE BASKET OF IMPOSSIBLE? AND TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, YOU KNOW, DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.

MAN, I GOT CONCERN ABOUT THAT.

AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT SAYING IT'S 150 FOR FOR SURE THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND, BUT LIKE, THAT'S, THAT'S PUTTING ONE AWFUL LOT OF BENEFIT IN THE HANDS OF ONE PERSON, ONE FAMILY, WHATEVER.

HOW ELSE COULD THAT BE LEVERAGED TO BENEFIT AS MANY AS POSSIBLE? I, YEAH.

AND I KNOW IT'S A MIX OF OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE, BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK YOU CAN ASSUME THAT THERE'S AN UNENDING SUPPLY OF CAPITAL TO GO STICK INTO THE HOUSING FUND, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.

AND WE'RE REALLY GETTING INTO DISCUSSION AS OPPOSED TO QUESTIONS AND, UH, AND SO FORTH.

IT ALL, ALL LEADS THERE.

AND I'M PART OF THAT.

AND I KNOW THERE'S AT LEAST ONE CARD AND PROBABLY OTHERS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ANALYSIS OF ABSOLUTELY TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP, TOTAL COST OF RENT HERE IN 2026.

AND HOW DOES THAT INFORM US ABOUT, IS, IS OWNERSHIP REALLY AS DESIRABLE AS WE ALL THINK AND WANT AND HOPE THAT IT WOULD BE? YEAH, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

AND I WILL SAY TOO, THAT THERE ARE STATS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHERE PEOPLE ARE CHANGING THEIR MIND ABOUT OWNERSHIP.

THAT, UM, THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE DREAM THAT EVERYBODY WANTED, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE THAT IT'S, IT'S CHANGING.

UM, AND THAT'S NOT JUST AMONG THE YOUNGER GENERATION, THAT'S AMONG ALL THE GENERATIONS.

SO THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT THE IDEA OF, OF, OF FOCUSING MORE ON, ON RENTERSHIP.

IT'S A VALID POINT.

I JUST DID SOME QUICK MATH.

I'M JUST USING 150.

'CAUSE IF IT'S A $700,000 HOUSE, IT'S 20%, IT'S 140,000 BUCKS.

YOU USE ALL THE MONEY IN OUR HOUSING FUND, YOU GET 120 UNITS.

AND THAT'S NOT, YEAH, IT'S NOT REALISTIC FOR US TO DO THAT, JUST FOR THAT PROGRAM.

AND WE WOULD HAVE TO MEASURE THAT SLOWLY IF WE WERE TO TRY TO DO THAT.

SO IT'S, GO AHEAD.

IT'S, IT'S A DISCUSSION.

I'LL, I'LL WAIT TILL DISCUSSION .

IT'S MY FAULT.

I'M SAYING THAT TOO.

I'M DOING THE SAME THING.

WELL, WE'RE ALMOST DONE WITH THE, UH, PRESENTATION.

GO AHEAD.

YEAH, ACTUALLY WE ARE, THE ONLY THING WE HAD LEFT AND, AND WE HAD SHOWED THAT PREVIOUSLY, WAS JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE GAP LOOKS LIKE IN, IN SOME OF THE GROUPS.

SO OTHER THAN THAT, THE PRESENTATION IS DONE ON THIS CHART.

UNDER A CERTAIN EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR, WITHIN THAT REALM OF AFFORDABILITY.

THESE WERE EVERYTHING THAT WAS AVAILABLE AS OF THAT DATE, OR THESE WERE EVERYTHING AVAILABLE

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SO LOOKING AT, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I AM, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST FOR TWO PERSON HOUSEHOLDS.

YOUR HIGH PRICE UNIT ON HERE IS 600,000.

RIGHT? THAT'S, SO THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT EVERYTHING THAT'S AVAILABLE.

BUT THAT'S NOT EVEN REPRESENTATIVE OF SOME OF THE PRICES, AVERAGE PRICES WE SEE.

RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.

SO WE WERE TRYING TO LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT WHAT WOULD BE REALISTIC AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THAT PERSON IN THAT HOUSE.

THE OTHER THING TO POINT OUT IN, IN THIS AS IT NOTES, IS THAT A NUMBER OF THESE HOUSES THAT ARE AVAILABLE WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR A MORTGAGE BECAUSE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE MOBILE HOMES.

THEY'RE NOT MANUFACTURED HOMES, THEY'RE MOBILE HOMES PRE 1976.

AND IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET FINANCING, UM, FOR THOSE UNITS.

SO, OKAY.

I HAVE ONE CARD, TIM.

GOOD EVENING COUNSELORS.

THE ONGOING LIE IN MISINFORMATION HERE IS THAT WE NEED ANY KIND OF HOUSING STRATEGY OTHER THAN CODE REFORM.

THAT'S IT.

THAT IS THE HOUSING STRATEGY WE NEED.

YOU COUNCIL AND STAFF ARE THE REASON WE HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE.

50 YEARS AGO, THERE WERE NO CODES IN SEDONA.

THERE WAS NO CITY COUNCIL, AND THERE WAS ALSO NO HOUSING SHORTAGE.

THAT'S IT.

THAT'S ALL WE NEED.

YOU GUYS NEED TO GET OUT OF OUR WAY, REPEAL THESE CODES, AND LET US HAVE AN END TO THIS NONSENSE AND WASTE OF TIME.

WE WHO CAN DO THE WORK, DO NOT NEED THE BENEFIT OF YOUR IGNORANCE.

MARY HAD A, I HAD A CARD.

I THINK I DOUBLED IT UP FOR THE OTHER ONE.

FOR THE OTHER ONE.

UM, THERE'S VALUE ENGINEERING.

YOU CAN FILL OUT A CARD AFTERWARDS IF YOU WANT.

I FILLED IT OUT, BUT I PUT BOTH OF THE ITEMS. OKAY, GO AHEAD.

UH, MY NAME IS BEN MILLER.

UM, AND I'M, I LIVE IN, CURRENTLY LIVE IN SCOTTSDALE.

UM, AGAIN, GOOD EVENING.

UM, MADAM MAYOR, UM, UH, MAYOR ELECT FOLTZ, AND THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

SO THIS IS PRETTY INTERESTING STUFF.

FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE TONY AND LAURA AND, AND THEIR TEAM FOR LITERALLY ALL THE HARD WORK THEY'VE DONE TO, TO GET TO THIS POINT.

UM, I MEAN, WE WERE IN THOSE THINK TANKS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST SPEND A TON OF TIME AND TON OF EFFORT, AND I REALLY WANT TO COMMEND THEM FOR ALL OF THAT WORK BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE BETTER.

UM, NOT THAT I'VE SEEN A MILLION, BUT I'VE SEEN ENOUGH, ONE OF THE BETTER EVALUATIONS OF A HOUSING MARKET THAT I'VE EVER SEEN.

AND THAT INCLUDES P*****K, THAT INCLUDES A BUNCH OF PEOPLE.

SO I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU.

I ALSO WANT TO GIVE CREDIT TO THE CITY FOR, FOR BEING PROACTIVE AND HAVING THIS KIND OF A PROGRAM AVAILABLE, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS HOW YOU, THIS IS HOW YOU, UM, SOLVE YOUR HOUSING PROBLEM, PERIOD.

YOU DON'T SOLVE IN ANY OTHER WAY, UM, WITH, WITHOUT HAVING PARTICIPATION, EITHER MONETARILY OR LAND PARTICIPATION OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

SO FROM A DEVELOPER'S PERSPECTIVE, UM, THERE'S SOME PRETTY KEY ITEMS I THINK THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO, TO, FOR US ANYWAY, WOULD, WHICH WOULD BE THE IDEA THAT THE LAND PARTICIPATION FROM THE CITY IS CRITICAL TO ESSENTIALLY BUY DOWN THE ULTIMATE COST OF A DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER THAT'S SINGLE FAMILY OR APARTMENTS OR CONDOS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF LAND AS WE KNOW, UH, AVAILABLE IN SEDONA.

FOR THE MOST PART, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ATTACHED PRODUCT.

UM, AS OPPOSED TO SINGLE FAMILY MANUFACTURED HOUSING.

THERE JUST ISN'T THE, THE SIZE OF PROPERTY REALLY TO DO THAT.

THERE MIGHT BE A COUPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE, BUT OTHERWISE IT'S ALL ATTACHED PRODUCT.

SO ATTACHED VERTICAL PRODUCT.

AND SO REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, AT LEAST IN OUR OPINION, THE WAY YOU GET TO THE PRICE POINTS OF A $50,000, UM, HOUSEHOLD INCOME TO A $200,000 HOUSEHOLD INCOME, IF THAT'S THE RANGE WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU, YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU BUY DOWN THE OVERALL COST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THE LAND OBVIOUSLY I JUST TALKED ABOUT, BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO I BUY DOWN THE COST OF THE, OF THE CONSTRUCTION, THE VERTICAL PART.

AND THERE'S WAYS TO DO THAT.

THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THAT.

THERE'S PARTICIPATION FROM FEDERAL FUNDS.

I KNOW THAT'S IN THE, IN THE, UH, IN THE REPORT.

UH, I THINK IT'S CRITICAL TO HAVE A NONPROFIT PARTNER, UM, THAT'S INVOLVED IN THE LAND TRUST AND TO THE LAND TRUST.

NOT THAT I'M AN EXPERT AT IT, BUT I'VE JUST BEEN EXPOSED TO IT A LOT LATELY 'CAUSE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IN COTTONWOOD.

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AND IN OUR OPINION, THE, THE REAL KEY TO THE LAND TRUST IS TO HAVE A SET OF TOOLS AND RULES THAT KEEPS THE PRODUCT AFFORDABLE FOR MULTIPLE GENERATIONS.

AND I KNOW I HEARD THAT, UH, FROM A COUPLE DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UM, SO THAT'S GONNA BE CRITICAL AS TO TO HAVE LAND TRUST FOR THAT TOOL IN ORDER TO KEEP IT AFFORDABLE SALE OR RENT FOR GENERATIONS.

AND WE, WHAT WE THINK ABOUT GENERATIONS IS 99 YEAR LEASE.

AND SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL IN ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT.

BEN, YOU'VE, YOUR TIME'S EXPIRED, BUT YOU CAN FINISH.

YOU WANT, YOU CAN FINISH.

YOU HAVE JUST A FEW MORE THINGS TO SAY.

AND REALLY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST THAT, IT'S, THE IDEA IS IF YOU'RE GONNA DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PRODUCT THAT MEETS THE DEMAND OF THE HOUSEHOLD INCOMES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, Y THE ONE AND DONE IS JUST NOT GONNA DO IT.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU DO IT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE PARTICIPATING MONEY TO THE BUYER, WHETHER IT'S DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE OR OTHERWISE, YOU, YOU, YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE, IN MY OPINION, THAT YOU HAVE A MECHANISM THAT KEEPS IT AFFORDABLE FOR GENERATIONS.

'CAUSE OTHERWISE SOMEBODY WILL GET THE FRONT END BENEFIT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY SELL IT FOR MARKET AND THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL, SO WHAT'S THE POINT? SO I THINK THAT THAT COMMUNITY LAND TRUST IS GONNA BE CRITICAL IN A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES ON.

UH, AND THAT'S JUST ME FROM A DEVELOPER'S PERSPECTIVE.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

I'VE BEEN SAVING IT UP.

NO, NOT REALLY.

BUT, UH, BUT WHAT, BASED ON WHAT I, THE REST OF YOU MAY SAY, I MAY WANT TO JUMP BACK IN.

UM, FIRST OFF, BEN REMINDS US WELL TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU TONY AND LAURA.

IT'S BEEN, UH, A BIG LIFT FOR A LOT OF MONTHS.

AND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE, YOU KNOW, GETTING PICKY HERE AT THE 11TH HOUR, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY ON, SOME OF THE POINTS ARE SIGNIFICANT, BUT THEY'RE FINE POINTS AT THE SAME TIME AND THE BULK OF THE WORK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT EVEN ARGUING ABOUT.

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST WANNA RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT WORK HERE.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, HEARING BEN FOR JUST THREE MINUTES AND HOWEVER MUCH HE WENT OVER, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY MORE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU CALL A PRE-PROPOSAL MEETING ON TWENTY FOUR ELEVEN AND, UH, SUNSET LOFTS.

HOW MANY MORE MEETINGS DO WE NEED TO HAVE WITH FOLKS THAT CAN PROVIDE MORE INSIGHT ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE? LIKE, I, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE BESIDES THE FACT THAT I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE ANALYSIS OF, YOU KNOW, RENTING VERSUS BUYING, UH, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE FROM REALLY WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE.

I MEAN, YOU'RE TELLING US HOW HARD IT'S GONNA BE.

WELL, WHY DON'T WE FIND OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW HARD IT'S GONNA BE BEFORE WE SAY YES.

YOU KNOW, LET'S GO AND DO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER PERCENT IS FOR OWNERSHIP VERSUS RENT.

UM, I, AGAIN, I THINK THE WORK HAS BEEN EXCELLENT AND VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT.

SO THANK YOU BOTH.

AND AGAIN, I MIGHT HAVE SOME MORE COMMENTS AFTER I LISTEN TO MY BRILLIANT COLLEAGUES HERE.

ARE YOU READY TO ADOPT THIS STRATEGY? WELL, THAT'S AN ODD QUESTION STILL, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S STILL LIKE ADOPTION AT A LATER DATE FOR PIECES OF IT.

AND LIKE TO COUNSELOR ELLA'S POINT, YOU KNOW, LAND TRUST IN AND OF ITSELF IS A BIGGIE, RIGHT? SO IT, I MEAN, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT LEVEL OF DETAIL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BECAUSE IF IT'S, IF IT INCLUDES THAT, YOU KNOW, THOU SHALT HAVE MAJORITY MM-HMM .

OWNERSHIP VERSUS RENTAL PRODUCT, WELL THEN NO.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE WILLING TO SAY THAT'S STILL PART OF THE ONGOING WORK, THEN YES.

SO WHAT WAS YOUR ANSWER? , , UHHUH, .

SO I'M GOING TO ASSUME THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE THINKING.

UM, BECAUSE INSTEAD OF SAYING ADOPTING, THIS IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA TELL YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE STRATEGIES, TO FILL THEM OUT, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT AFTER YOU REALLY DEEP DIVE, ARE THEY FEASIBLE? I MEAN, I HEARD YOU SAY, I'M NOT SURE MM-HMM .

SOME OF THE THINGS I JUST MENTIONED ARE EVEN FEASIBLE.

RIGHT? , WHICH ISN'T IN, IN, DOES NOT INSPIRE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE JUST JUST POINTING THAT OUT.

WHEN YOU'VE GOT THEM FLUFFED IN BACK TO US.

BUT I CERTAINLY ALSO AGREE THAT IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE, IF WHAT YOU NEED IS PERMISSION TO SAY, LOOK AT ALL THESE THINGS IN THE ORDER IN WHICH YOU THINK ARE THE RIGHT THINGS TO DO, WE EXPECT YOU TO BRING THESE STRATEGIES

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AND SO THAT WE CAN THEN UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT YOU STILL BELIEVE IT'S 51% OR WHATEVER IT IS YOU'RE GOING TO DO.

HOW ARE YOU GONNA MANAGE THE LAND TRUST? WHO ARE WE PARTNERING WITH? WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE AGREEMENTS THAT ARE PART OF THE LAND TRUST? DOES ANYONE OUT THERE WHO'S GONNA BUILD SOMETHING IS, ARE THEY AGREEABLE THAT THEY WOULD PUT SOMETHING THEY'RE BUILDING IN A LAND TRUST IN EXCHANGE FOR WHAT? SO IT JUST FEELS, IF THIS WAS ABOUT, I MOVED TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD AND START TO BRING US FILLED OUT STRATEGIES, I WOULD GO FOR THAT TO ADOPT THE STRATEGIES.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE STRATEGIES ARE YET.

'CAUSE YOU HAVEN'T QUITE TOLD ME, YOU'VE TOLD ME ACTUALLY, WHAT YOU'VE TOLD ME IS THEY'RE NOT FILLED OUT YET.

UM, SO JUST TO TRY AND, AND SAY IT'S LIKE, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR US TO SAY PLEASE MOVE FORWARD AND FIGURE OUT THE DEPTH OF THESE AND THEN BRING THEM BACK TO US NOT TO ACTUALLY ADOPT THEM SINCE THEY'RE ONE LINERS BASICALLY .

SO EVERYTHING IN HERE IS, IS IT'S AN ACTION FOR US TO LOOK AT AND TRY TO DO.

YOU KNOW, WE, WE STILL HAVE TO FLESH OUT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, DEREK, SO I COULD EASILY, SORRY, IT'S PROBABLY NOT MY TIME TO TALK.

IS IT? I SHOULD STOP.

YOU CAN STILL.

SO TWO THINGS RIGHT AWAY THOUGH THAT FIRST COME TO MIND IS WE COULD SIMPLY ELIMINATE THE, YOU KNOW, THE THE IDEA OF MAXIMUM ONE OR THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, FOR NOW.

AND LET'S LET THE MARKET DO ITS THING AND SEE WHAT THE MARKET'S TELLING US, FRANKLY, AS TO AS THE BEST PATH TO GO.

AND WE JUST SIMPLY REMOVE THAT STATEMENT COMPLETELY.

FOR NOW, IF WE DECIDE THAT IT'S GONE OFF THE RAILS ONE WAY WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WELL MAYBE WE NEED TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT.

BUT, UM, WE CAN JUST REMOVE THAT PIECE FROM, YOU KNOW, THAT ONE TARGET DIRECTLY FROM THE DOCUMENT.

WE DO THAT AND THEN REMOVE THE, THE CONCIERGE SERVICE.

UM, EVERYTHING ELSE HAS TO COME BACK TO YOU.

EVERY ONE OF THESE PROGRAMS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STILL HAS TO BE FLESHED OUT AND BROUGHT BACK TO YOU.

SO IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY ALL AT THE SAME TIME JUST AS WE GET THEM READY TO GO.

SO USE EXPEDITED SERVICE INSTEAD OF CONCIERGE.

AND YOU STILL NEED TO SAY, WHAT IS THAT PROGRAM? WHAT WOULD WORK, UM, HERE.

SO I'M NOT, I'M, I WOULDN'T SAY TAKE THEM OUT OR GET RID OF THEM, IT'S A MATTER OF YOU HAVEN'T TOLD US ENOUGH ABOUT HOW IT WILL ACTUALLY WORK FOR US TO SAY YES.

GO DO THAT ONE.

RIGHT? MM-HMM .

AND YES, WE'RE GONNA MAKE CHANGES.

LIKE WE DID RENT LOCAL.

WE SAID, YES, GO DO RENT LOCAL.

AND NOW WE'RE SAYING, HMM, IT DIDN'T WORK THE WAY WE WANTED IT TO WORK.

WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE NEXT THING TO DO? YOU WANNA PROVIDE US WITH THE NEXT THING TO DO MM-HMM .

BUT YOU HAVEN'T PROVIDED US WITH ALL THE DETAILS FOR US TO SAY, WOW, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT PROGRAM.

YES, YOU CAN USE THE BUDGETED MONEY THAT YOU HAVE FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY GO DO THE NEXT THING.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING IF WHAT WE'RE RUNNING AGAINST, HERE'S JUST LANGUAGE.

LIKE, WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T WANT TO ADOPT THESE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE YET, BUT WE WANT YOU TO MOVE FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO TELL US WHAT THEY ARE.

THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS THINKING.

I SUPPORT ADOPTION OF THE STRATEGY.

I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT THAT REMAINS TO BE FLUSHED OUT, BUT I THINK THIS IS THE, YOU KNOW, THE FRAMEWORK.

UM, AND I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD ONE.

YOU DID WHAT I ASKED YOU TO DO, WHICH WAS TO GO BACK AND CONSIDER WHAT'S, WHAT'S REALISTIC.

ARE YOU PUTTING TOO MUCH ON YOUR PLATE AND YOU'VE DONE THAT? UM, I DO WANNA GO BACK TO, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER HOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE REASSESSING OWNERSHIP VERSUS RENTAL.

UM, AND RECONSIDERING WHAT THEY WANT.

I MEAN, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE RECONSIDERING IT, THAT RATHER THAN JUST THEY'RE RESIGNING THEMSELVES TO THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

SO I DON'T, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THERE MOST PEOPLE WOULD STILL PREFER TO OWN VERSUS RENT.

UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST NOT REALISTIC.

AND I THINK MORE PEOPLE ARE RECOGNIZING THAT.

SO I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT SOUND LIKE SUDDENLY PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WELL, IT'S FINE, I'LL JUST RENT.

IT'S MORE LIKE, FINE, I'LL JUST RENT, I GUESS.

'CAUSE I'LL NEVER AFFORD A HOUSE, SO.

I, I SHARE, UH, COUNCILOR DUNN'S CONCERN ABOUT THIS TOO.

IT SEEMS IT'S BEING PRESENTED AS SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

UM, SO IF, BUT IF WE ARE ADOPTING SOMETHING, I MEAN, FROM MY MINDSET, THAT MEANS WE'RE ADOPTING SOMETHING THAT'S SORT OF DEFINITIVE AND MOVING FORWARD.

BUT THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT.

SO I, I AGREE THAT THIS IS MORE OF A, A DIRECTION THING.

NOW THAT'S UNFAIR.

'CAUSE WE TOLD YOU GO DEVELOP A HOUSING STRATEGY FOR US TO ADOPT.

SO MUCH WORK HAS GONE INTO IT, AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS AN ADOPTABLE STRATEGY.

UH,

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AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, FALLS BY THE WAYSIDE.

THIS IS ALL A PART OF IT, BUT THE KEY THINGS FOR ME AREN'T HERE IN TERMS OF THE , THE SUBSTANCE MM-HMM .

UM, YEAH.

I, I, THAT'S TERRIBLY VAGUE FEEDBACK TO GIVE YOU TO A TERRIBLY VAGUE PRESENTATION.

YOUR PRESENTATION WASN'T VAGUE, BUT YOU GET WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM.

AND CHARLOTTE, I JUST WANT TO APPLAUD THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS, THE CREATIVITY TO START PUSHING BACK ON.

I MEAN, SOMETIMES WE JUST HAVE TO TRY THINGS AND MM-HMM .

SO I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT AS SHINY AN OBJECT AS I THOUGHT IT WAS .

UM, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE, IS THIS A STRATEGY OR IS THIS A DIRECTION? I, I DON'T WANNA GET HUNG UP ON WHETHER IT'S A STRATEGY OR DIRECTION.

UM, I WOULD SAY KEEP MOVING FORWARD ON IT AND CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT.

DO WE HAVE TO CALL IT SOMETHING? WELL, NOW THE WORD I'M HUNG UP ON IS ADOPT.

ADOPT.

WELL, UH, OKAY.

I DON'T WANNA GET HUNG UP ON ADOPT EITHER, BUT, UM, WELL, IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.

IT IS EASY.

NO, I KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.

BUT, UM, WHAT STRIKES ME IS A LOT OF THIS IS WHEN YOU START MOVING AWAY FROM DIGA AND SO FORTH, YOU'RE MOVING TOWARDS THINGS WITH MORE DISCRETION.

YOU KNOW, AND DISCRETION ON THE PART, PART OF STAFF.

UM, MAYBE NOT EVERYTHING, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR, BUT, UM, IT'S MORE DISCRETION.

AND SO AS THESE COME BACK AND ARE FLUSHED OUT MORE, I HOPE THAT THE GUARDRAILS OR THE, WITHOUT MAKING IT SO HIDE BOUND, THAT IT BECOMES A PROBLEM BY ITSELF.

UM, BUT THAT THERE ARE GUARDRAILS AND THERE ARE SOME CLEAR, UM, LIMITS, UH, MAYBE FINANCIAL LIMITS, AT WHICH POINT THINGS WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK HERE INSTEAD OF YOU CAN GIVE OUT 150 TILL IT'S RUN OUT.

YOU KNOW, WE RUN OUT AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT.

UM, SO I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR, I GUESS I WON'T BE LOOKING FOR, BUT HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WILL BE LOOKING FOR WHAT THOSE GUARDRAILS ARE.

UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF CREATIVITY BUILT INTO OR ANTICIPATED HERE, AND, AND I KINDA LIKE THE IDEA OF LET THE MARKET DETERMINE WHICH ONES OF THESE ARE, ARE MORE SUCCESSFUL, WHICH WILL TELL YOU IT'S IN THE RENTAL AREA.

OR IT'S GONNA BE IN THE OWNERSHIP AREA.

AND IT WILL BE WHAT, IT WILL BE SORT OF, UM, I MEAN IT'S, YOU CAN HAVE A GOAL, BUT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT UNLIMITED FUNDING, I DON'T, SURE.

YOU KNOW, THE MARKET IS GONNA KIND OF DETERMINE IT.

UM, SO I WOULD JUST SAY BRAVO AND THANK YOU.

I'M HAPPY TO VOTE ON IT AS A STRATEGY KNOWING THAT IT NEEDS TO BE FLESHED OUT OR, OR AS A DIRECTION THAT KEEP GOING.

AND I THANK YOU.

I THINK YOU'D BE OKAY EITHER WAY, RIGHT? YES.

ABSOLUTELY.

JUST TO FURTHER EXPLAIN THAT, I THINK THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD ADOPT WOULD BE THE CHANGES TO THE DIGGER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BUT THAT'S WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN HERE.

THIS IS PRESENTED AS CHANGES TO THE DIGGER, BUT WHAT ARE THEY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE ADOPTING.

YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF A LAND TRUST.

THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE ADOPTING.

SO, I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS, AGAIN, STILL A DIRECTION PHASE, BUT SO ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE NOT TO TAKE ANYTHING I SAY IS THIS IS AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF WORK.

AND FOR THE MOST PART, I BELIEVE AT THE LEVEL IT'S AT, IT'S REALLY WELL THOUGHT OUT.

UM, AND AGAIN, I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN YOU TRY THINGS AND IF YOU FAIL, FAIL FAST.

JUST DON'T TAKE YEARS TO GO AND FAIL.

BUT, UM, I THINK I'VE, I'VE LISTENING TO WHAT EVERYONE HAS SAID, I'M GONNA SAY THE FOLLOWING THERE, LIKE I SAID LAST TIME, YOU'VE CONFLATED PROJECTS WITH A STRATEGY.

YOU DON'T IMPLEMENT A STRATEGY.

YOU IMPLEMENT PROJECTS THAT OBTAIN THE GOAL OF THE STRATEGY.

AND WHAT YOU HAVEN'T FILLED OUT ARE THE PROJECTS THAT YOU NEED IN ORDER TO FULFILL THE GOALS THAT YOU'RE CREATING FOR YOUR STRATEGY.

A WHATEVER IN ORDER TO OBTAIN WHATEVER YOUR STRATEGY WAS.

SO IF ANYONE FOLLOWS THIS, IF WE ADOPT THE STRATEGY, THOSE ARE THE VERY HIGH LEVEL WORDS THAT HE USES.

EVERYTHING UNDERNEATH HIM ARE REALLY PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO.

YOU'RE GONNA CREATE A FUND, YOU'RE GONNA CREATE A LAND TRUST, YOU'RE GONNA CREATE

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SO IF WE ADOPT THE STRATEGY, IN MY MIND, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS, THE WAY YOU'VE LAID THIS OUT CORRECTLY, WE'RE ADOPTING THE HIGH LEVEL ITEMS. WE ARE NOT ADOPTING OR EVEN TELLING YOU TO GO AND SPEND ANY MONEY ON.

ANY OF THE PROJECTS WHICH YOU'VE SPENT MOST OF THE TIME TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT.

LIKE LAND TRUSTS AND LOAN PROGRAMS AND, UH, PARTICIPATION, ALL OF THOSE MM-HMM .

ARE NOT YOUR STRATEGY AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY PHYSICAL PRODUCT.

SO YOU WANNA PRODUCE TO TRY AND ATTAIN YOUR STRATEGY.

AM I, IS THAT MAKING SENSE TO ANYONE OTHER THAN MYSELF? , IT MAKES SENSE, BUT I MEAN, WHERE ARE YOU GOING WITH IT? SO I'M GOING IS IF WE'RE ADOPTING THE STRATEGY TODAY, THEN WE'RE SAYING ALL THOSE WHOLE LEVEL HIGH LEVEL ITEMS, WE AGREE THAT IS THE RIGHT APPROACH, BUT THE ACTUAL WAY YOU'RE GOING TO ACHIEVE THOSE ITEMS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING 'EM ALL BACK BECAUSE BASICALLY THERE'S NOT ENOUGH FOR US TO ADOPT THEM.

THAT'S WHY I LOOK AT THIS.

SORRY, BY MAY.

NO, GO AHEAD.

AS, AS THIS DOCUMENT IS LIKE THE ASPIRATIONAL GUIDELINES TOWARD THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ACTUAL STRATEGY COMPONENTS.

WELL, IF THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID, YEAH.

BUT THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

THE PROBLEM IS IT'S BOTH.

IT'S, IT'S BOTH.

HE'S GOT PRO, HE'S GOT PROJECTS HE WANTS TO DO IN ORDER TO OBTAIN A GOAL.

THE GOAL IS HIS STRATEGY.

AND SO WE'RE ADOPTING THAT HIGH LEVEL STRATEGY, BUT WE HAVEN'T AGREED THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADOPT A, YOU KNOW, SHORT TERM LOAN PROGRAM OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS.

DEREK, WILL YOU BE HAPPIER IF WE APPROVED IT AS OPPOSED TO ADOPTED IT OR, I MEAN, WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET ANYTHING TANGIBLE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UNLESS WE DO THE HIGH LEVEL.

SO WE KEEP SAYING, OKAY, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND DO THIS.

WE EITHER NEED TO PICK THIS THING APART AND SAY, OKAY, WE DO LIKE THIS, WE DON'T LIKE THAT, WHATEVER.

OR WE NEED TO LET OUR STAFF DO THEIR JOBS AND, YOU KNOW, COME BACK TO US WITH SOMETHING.

'CAUSE OTHERWISE WE NEVER MAKE ANY PROGRESS ON ANYTHING.

IF IT'S ALWAYS JUST LIKE, NO, NO, NO, GO DO MORE.

GO DO MORE.

I MEAN, AT SOME POINT WE'VE GOTTA MAKE A DECISION AND SAY, OKAY, YES, WE EITHER DO OR WE DO NOT LIKE THIS.

WHETHER WE CALL IT A STRATEGY OR A FRAMEWORK OR WHATEVER, OUTLINE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SOME DECISIONS AND JUST, ANYWAY, WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET ANYTHING DONE IF WE JUST NO, NO, NO.

I KNOW, I KNOW A FRAMEWORK IS, IS A, IS A GOOD WORD.

IT'S JUST THAT THERE ARE THINGS IN HERE THAT I'M NOT WILL, I'M NOT READY TO ADOPT THEM.

I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I AGREE WITH THEM AT THE HIGH LEVEL BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT FLESHED OUT ENOUGH FOR ME, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE AT THE PROJECT LEVEL.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I AGREE WITH THIS CONCEPT OF THE MAJORITY.

I, I DON'T SEE HOW IT HAPPENS.

I'M WITH YOU.

I DO NOT BUY IT.

SO I CAN'T ADOPT IT IF I DON'T BUY IT.

SO, MAYOR TONY, IF WE ASKED YOU WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE DIRECTION YOU'VE RECEIVED MM-HMM .

FROM US, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT IS RIGHT NOW? THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

UM, SO WHAT I'M HEARING CONSENSUS ON IS, IS THE DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD IS KINDA WHAT I'M HEARING FROM EVERYBODY IS THE, THE DIRECTION, THE HIGH LEVEL STRATEGY.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE HIGH LEVEL STRATEGY MAKES SENSE.

IT'S WHERE, UM, WHERE WE BRING THE DETAIL TO THE TABLE ON EACH ONE OF THESE, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING FORWARD INDIVIDUALLY ANYWAY.

THAT, THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE REAL SUBSTANTIAL DISCUSSION HAPPENS.

SO IF I HAVE A TAKEAWAY, IT'S WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT, UM, DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO FLESH THESE OUT AND BRING THEM TO YOU AS WE GO.

TO ME, THAT IS, TO ME, THAT SOUNDS LIKE APPROVAL, NOT ADOPTION PER SE.

IF I CAN STEAL FROM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FAFS TERM, UM, THE, UH, 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT SAYING ADOPT EVERY SINGLE THING THAT YOU SEE HERE AS MUCH AS, UH, COUNSELOR DUNN WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A HIGH LEVEL DIRECTION DOCUMENT THAT HAS SOME DETAIL IN IT THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE FLESHED OUT AS EACH ONE OF THESE ITEMS COMES FORWARD.

'CAUSE ALMOST EVERYTHING HERE IS NEW.

SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT I SEE.

I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MISINTERPRETING.

SO I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

I THINK I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

AND THERE'S AN AND, AND THE, AND IS, I THINK YOU'VE HEARD TWO ADJUSTMENTS.

YOU'VE HEARD DON'T LIKE THE WORD CONCIERGE.

AND THAT THE QUESTION OF THE BALANCE BETWEEN RENT VERSUS OWN IS TTBD.

HOSSEINI'S POINT, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET SHOULD LARGELY DICTATE WHEN THE DAY IS DONE.

AND TO COUNCILOR

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RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK YOU'VE HEARD.

AND I'LL TELL YOU, THERE'S SO MANY STRATEGIES THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED OVER THE YEARS, AND ANDY AND I HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION ON MANY OCCASION, WHICH IS AROUND MORE AROUND TRANSPORTATION.

BUT THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED 10 YEARS AGO, 11 YEARS AGO.

AND THEN THERE'S THE REALITY OF TODAY, BUT STAFF HAS TO, IS USING THAT AS, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN AS THEIR GUIDELINE.

AND AT WHAT POINT I SAID TO ANDY, DO WE SAY THE TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED.

BUT AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS DEVELOPED, THERE WAS UNIVERSAL AGREEMENT ON THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS, I'LL CALL THEM, OF THE PLAN HERE.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF ELEMENTS THAT I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH MM-HMM .

AND SO, AS I SAID BEFORE, I, I DON'T WANNA ADOPT SOMETHING THIS, THAT THEN STAFF, WHETHER IT'S YOU OR YOUR SUCCESSOR, 'CAUSE THESE LAST A LONG TIME SAYS, OH, THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THIS.

I HAVE TO, THIS IS MY NORTH STAR.

THIS IS WHAT I HAVE TO ABIDE BY IF WE'RE NOT FULLY IN AGREEMENT WITH IT.

BUT I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I DON'T MIND HAVING SOMETHING AT A REALLY HIGH LEVEL AS LONG AS I AGREE WITH IT.

AT THAT HIGH LEVEL.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I, IT'S SO COMPLEX AND YOU'VE PUT SO MUCH WORK INTO IT AND IT'S SO APPRECIATED FOR THAT.

I THOUGHT THE STRATEGY WE'RE ASKING FOR WAS GONNA BE A LOT LESS.

THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD JUST SAY, LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND WE'LL START HERE MM-HMM .

AND OVER THE NEXT 12 MONTHS WE'LL DO THIS AND THAT'LL BE OUR PLAN.

BUT THIS IS SO ALL ENCOMPASSING AND THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH PUSHBACK RIGHT.

BY THE COMMUNITY ON SOME OF THESE AREAS AS WELL.

AND SO I THINK YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE AREAS, BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT SOMETHING THAT IS VERY DIVISIVE MM-HMM .

IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND WE'VE GOT LOTS OF EMAILS AND TAPS ON THE BACK OF THE GROCERY STORE.

LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THIS? I, SO I DON'T THINK WE'VE ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS ENOUGH YET, IN MY OPINION.

COULD I ASK YOU, DO YOU, HOW WOULD WE ANSWER THEM WITHOUT DELVING FURTHER INTO THESE VARIOUS AREAS? FEWER STRATEGIES? THERE ARE, I MEAN, THIS IS, COULD BE A DECADE WORTH OF A GENERATION WORTH OF WORK.

AND, BUT I'M NOT SURE I COULD PRIORITIZE WHICH ONES TO DO FIRST.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THAT WAS A PART OF THE THING I WAS EXPECTING THAT ISN'T REALLY CONTAINED IN THESE REVISIONS.

IF I JUMP IN, I DON'T, I DON'T, I HEAR ABSOLUTELY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FEWER STRATEGIES IT SIT, WE WANNA LOOK AT THE STRATEGIES AND WE'RE INDEPENDENTLY OF EACH OTHER.

LET'S TO BE ABLE, 'CAUSE MAYBE THEY'RE ALL GOOD, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT.

BUT WE WANNA BE ABLE TO BE THE STRATEGIES INDIVIDUALLY, YOU KNOW, TO SAY, YES, GO AHEAD WITH THIS X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO THIS PROGRAM, X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO THIS PROGRAM.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT PROVIDED FOR IN HERE.

UM, AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD GUIDELINE.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED IN SOME WAY AS THE ASPIRATIONAL FRAMEWORK WITH WHICH TO GO FORWARD AND DEVELOP THE ACTUAL STRATEGY.

I THINK CALLING THIS BUS STRATEGY IT MAKES, MAKES IT UN ADOPTABLE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I MEAN, BUT I, DOES THAT HELP? UM, YEAH.

I MEAN, WE CAN CALL IT WHATEVER WE WANT .

SO I'M COMPLETELY FINE WITH THAT.

IT CAN BE A FRAMEWORK.

WE CAN CALL IT A BALANCED HOUSING FRAMEWORK, IF THAT SOUNDS BETTER.

BECAUSE I, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WHAT I'M HEARING OF YOU IS EVERYBODY WANTS YOU TO MOVE FORWARD.

YOU KNOW, AND UNDER WHAT'S BEEN DESCRIBED, WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE, THE MEAT, THE BONES.

NOW, SURE.

BALANCED HOUSING, PR BALANCED HOUSING IN PROCESS.

THAT'S DOCUMENT IN PROCESS.

, BALANCED HOUSING, PIPE, DREAM.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD STOP YOU FROM DOING ANYTHING AT THIS POINT.

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THERE'S NOTHING YOU NEED FROM US.

BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY WAS YOU'RE GONNA MOVE VERY QUICKLY ON 29 11 AND MM-HMM .

SO I'LL ADMIT TO BEING TORN ON IT, TO BE VERY CANDID, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH STAFF, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME FORMAL DIRECTION, EVEN IF IT IS JUST A SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, GO FORTH AND PLAY AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DON'T STAY OUT AFTER DARK.

BRING, BRING ME A PROJECT THAT I CAN THEN LOOK AT AND WE TALK ABOUT EACH ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALLY.

'CAUSE WE HAVE TO, ANYWAY, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN HERE STILL HAS TO BE FULLY VETTED, RESEARCHED, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE GAVE YOU WAS WHAT WE COULD GIVE YOU IN THE TIME WE HAD.

UM, BUT WE ALSO WANT IT TO BE TIMELY BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE COMMUNITY'S BEEN DISCUSSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING SINCE IT WAS INCORPORATED.

SO WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GET A GUIDING DOCUMENT THAT WE CAN NOW THEN TURN INTO THE PROJECT.

SO EVEN IF IT IS A SENSE OF, UM, A DIRECTION, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, WHATEVER WE WANT, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF FORMAL SOMETHING.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ADOPTION, BUT IT WOULD BE SOME, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE SOMETHING TO HANG OUR HAT ON THAN JUST SAYING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN GENERALLY SPEAKING, PEOPLE FELT OKAY.

I, I WOULD, I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE GIVING FORMAL DIRECTION TO DEVELOP THE STRATEGIES WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT YOU PRESENTED TONIGHT TO CONTINUE FORWARD UNDER THAT AND DEVELOP THE ACTUAL COMPONENTS TO COME FORWARD.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

AND THAT'S ALL RIGHT FOR US TO DO, GIVEN THAT THERE'S A MOTION HERE MM-HMM .

YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT MOTION.

YOU CAN, UH, SO WE COULD JUST DO IT AS A DIRECTION INSTEAD.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

DOES THAT WORK? YEAH.

AND SEE IF THERE'S CONSENSUS.

THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE AN ACTUAL MOTION.

SO I THINK WE SEE CONSENSUS UP HERE.

SO ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.

AND YOU'RE ALL GOOD WITH THAT? I THINK SO.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I PASS THE BATON TO THE NEXT PERSON, THAT THEY UNDERSTAND LIKE WHAT DIRECTION'S BEEN GIVEN TO STAFF SO THAT IF THEY GO OFF AND WORK ON SOMETHING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL LATER, THAT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT I DON'T THINK REASON WHY THEY DID IT, OR WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY REVISIONS TO THIS PLAN.

WE DON'T WANT YOU TO GO BACK AND WORK ON IT.

WHAT WE WANT IS TO LOOK AT THE, THE KEEP WORKING ON IT.

WHAT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE, WHICH WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT, IS THE TIME TIMELINE, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

IT'S LIKE, WHAT ARE WE DOING IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS AS WE'RE GOING INTO BUDGET? WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA NEED? MM-HMM .

RIGHT? WE WANT, I WANT SOME DECISION PACKETS, , RIGHT? YEAH.

INSIDE THE BUDGET PROCESS, BUT ALSO PRIOR TO THE BUDGET PROCESS.

AND THOSE WOULD NOT BE MAYBE DOLLAR AMOUNT DECISION PACKETS, BUT THOSE WOULD BE ACTUAL DECISION PACKETS OF HERE'S A THOUGHT OUT THING THAT WE'RE PURSUING WITH THE DETAILS AND GO AHEAD OR NOT.

YEAH, THAT SOUNDS FINE.

BECAUSE WITH ALL OF, THERE'S STILL TOO MANY ITEMS. I'LL CALL THEM FOR TWO PEOPLE, ONE AND A HALF PEOPLE.

'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT, NEITHER OF YOU ARE FULL-TIME ON THIS.

YOU HAVE A DEPARTMENT TO RUN.

LAURA HAS OTHER THINGS SHE'S DOING.

SO WHAT ARE YOU GONNA FOCUS ON IN THE IMMEDIATE TERM, YOU KNOW, THE SHORT TERM.

AND FOR ME IT'S 29 11 AND, AND, UM, SUNSET LOFT.

I THINK FOR ALL OF US, WE WANNA GET SOMETHING REAL.

WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MORE FORWARD PROJECT.

BUT THEN THERE'S THE LAND TRUST, THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER PROGRAMS YOU WANT.

WHAT ARE YOUR PRIORITIES FOR ESTABLISHING THEM WHEN, AND I'M, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT NOW.

YEAH, NO.

'CAUSE THEN YEAH, I KNOW IT'S LATE.

ALSO, I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE DEMORALIZED BY THIS FEEDBACK BECAUSE I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S THE OPPOSITE.

I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS ENTHUSIASM FOR WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED AS, YOU KNOW, AT THIS HIGH LEVEL TO SAY, NOW GIVE US THE GUTS.

NO, I, I WILL SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, UH, I CAN SPEAK FOR ME.

I CAN'T NECESSARILY SPEAK FOR LAURA, BUT YEAH, I DON'T FEEL DEMORALIZED AT ALL.

I I THINK EVERY WHAT I HEAR IS A POSITIVE PATH FORWARD.

YOU SAID ADOPT OR WHAT HAVE YOU, I THINK THE PATH FORWARD WOULD BE THE SAME.

UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, UM, WITH GUIDANCE TO, YOU KNOW, THE, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE GOING TO, WHETHER

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WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO BRING YOU NEXT STEPS AND WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING YOU HOW WE'RE GONNA FLESH OUT EACH ONE OF THESE.

UM, SO YOU COULD DECIDE, DECIDE ON THE SAME PAGE.

SO, NO, BUT THANK YOU AND, AND THANK YOU FOR, UH, GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FREEDOM TO GO OUT THERE AND DO SOMETHING THAT QUITE FRANKLY WAS VERY DIVISIVE.

UM, WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO MAKE SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HAPPY AND SOME PEOPLE NOT.

BUT WE'RE GLAD TO SAY THAT WE LISTENED TO ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND WE TRIED TO OUR, TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY TO INCORPORATE ALL OF THAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THAT OPPORTUNITY.

I, I THINK ONE OTHER PIECE OF, OF SPECIFIC DIRECTION WE MIGHT CONSIDER GIVING FORMALLY IS THAT YOU DO PROCEED WITH THE RFPS ON THE TWO PROPERTIES.

'CAUSE I, I THINK THAT WE'VE ALL SORT OF BEEN WAITING FOR THAT.

SO, SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOUR TEAM, TONY.

YES, MA'AM.

REGARDING THOSE TWO PROPERTIES, ARE YOU GONNA TRY AND PUT 'EM IN A LAND TRUST? IN WHICH CASE AREN'T YOU GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE LAND TRUST PROBLEM FIRST BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY PUT THEM INTO A LAND TRUST? SO IT'S UNFORTUNATELY A GOOD POINT.

SO WHAT, WHAT WE ARE WANTING TO DO, IF COUNCIL'S OKAY WITH THIS, AND OF COURSE WE'D BRING THE RFP FORWARD, BUT THE, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO LET THE MARKET DECIDE THAT PIECE TOO.

WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THEM THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'D BE OPEN TO ENTERTAINING AS AN OPTION.

AND, UM, AND IF THERE'S A GROUP OUT THERE, WHICH THERE MIGHT BE, UM, THAT IS ALREADY ASSOCIATED WITH THE LAND TRUST, THEY ARE WELCOME TO SUBMIT A PROPOSAL.

GOOD ANSWER.

AND SO, YEAH, SO THIS I THINK IS WHERE WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN SAY WITH CERTAINTY IS THERE ARE CERTAIN SIZES OF UNITS WE'RE LOOKING TO ACHIEVE.

UM, BEYOND THAT, HOW YOU ACHIEVE THAT IS UP TO YOU.

AND LET'S SEE WHAT THE MARKET SAYS.

MAYOR TONY, COULD SOMEONE PLEASE RESTATE THE DIRECTION THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? YEAH.

THE DIRECTION WAS TO DEVELOP STRATEGIES WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK THAT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT.

AND THE SECOND DIRECTION WAS TO PROCEED WITH THE, UM, WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH RFPS FOR THE, UM, WHAT THE 29 11 AND SUNSET LOSS.

29 11 AND SUNSET LOSS.

I WAS LOOKING FOR THE ADDRESS.

ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, CHARLOTTE? OH, ABSOLUTELY.

THIS REALLY IS A GREAT PIECE OF WORK.

MUCH APPRECIATED.

[9.f. AB 3404 Discussion/possible action regarding a contract with Interim Public Management (IPM) for interim City Manager services in an amount not to exceed $170,000, and to approve payment of temporary housing in an amount not to exceed $30.000 for a six-month term.]

AB 34 0 4, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A CONTRACT WITH INTERIM PUBLIC MANAGEMENT FOR INTERIM CITY MANAGER SERVICES IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $170,000 AND TO APPROVE PAYMENT OF TEMPORARY HOUSING IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 30,000 FOR SIX MONTH TERM.

RUSS, ARE YOU, BARBARA? OKAY.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

UM, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS TO APPROVE THE INTERIM CONTRACT WITH IPM PUBLIC MANAGEMENT FOR THE SERVICES OF KEVIN PHELPS AND A SEPARATE AGREEMENT WITH KEVIN PHELPS FOR HIS HOUSING DURING THE TIME THAT HE'S HERE AS INTERIM US.

A SECOND TO GET BETTER.

A LOT OF PAGES IN THIS.

YEAH, WE HAVE GO THROUGH 2 36.

WHERE IS IT? 2 36.

I'M ONLY ON 1 72, SO I GOTTA GO.

WELL, WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING, I'D LIKE TO JUST, UM, MAKE A, UM, A PROCEDURAL STATEMENT.

I JUST WANNA ABSOLUTELY BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS.

UM, PREVIOUSLY THIS TYPE OF AGREEMENT, UM, OFTEN WOULD APPEAR ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THE LEGISLATURE PASSED A BILL THAT BECAME EFFECTIVE AT JUST THIS LAST MONTH THAT ANY ITEM DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT REQUIRES A FINAL VOTE CANNOT BE PLACED ON CONSENT, IT HAS TO BE PLACED ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT.

SO YOU'LL BE SEEING, UM, ANYTHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN FUTURE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER.

DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T THINK YOU PROBABLY WANT ME TO READ IT TO YOU.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION

[04:00:01]

IS THE, UM, HOUSING SEPARATE IN THAT IT'S A REIMBURSABLE AND AND IS IT PAID BY THE CITY OR BY IPM? IT'S PAID BY THE CITY THERE.

THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT ACTUALLY INCLUDED HOUSING THAT THE CITY WOULD PAY.

IPM AND IPM WOULD PAY, UM, THE, IN THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.

HOWEVER, THAT INCLUDED A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT ADMINISTRATIVE FEE.

AND WE FELT LIKE IF IPM WOULD BE AMENABLE TO IT, WE WOULD PREFER TO GO DIRECTLY WITH THE INTERIM.

AND THEY AGREED AND HE AGREED.

SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT NOT DIRECT, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT.

BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOME HOUSING OPTIONS AVAILABLE, HOWEVER, HE IS ALREADY CHOSEN.

ANOTHER ONE.

PARDON ME? HE'S CHOSEN ONE ALREADY.

OH, OKAY.

HAS, I THINK HE ACTUALLY MOVED IN TODAY OR YESTERDAY.

YEAH, HE'S, YOU KNOW, IN THERE.

ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE A CARD? I HAVE CARD.

TIM PERRY.

I GOOD EVENING COUNSELORS.

IT IS ENTIRELY INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY TO BE HIRING ANOTHER OUT OF TOWN CITY MANAGER.

FIRST OFF, THE CITY OF SEDONA MANAGER SHOULD BE A LONG-TERM RESIDENT OF SEDONA, NOT A NEWCOMER OR SOMEONE WHO'S NEVER BEEN HERE.

SECOND, THERE SEEMS TO BE AN APP, AN IMPLICATION THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS THAT SOMEONE WHO'S A CITY MANAGER HAS TO BE SPECIFICALLY TRAINED AS A CITY MANAGER, WHICH IS RIDICULOUS.

ANYONE WITH GOOD MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE COULD RUN THIS LITTLE CITY.

THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE IN TOWN WHO HAVE RUN COMPANIES WITH HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES.

THEY WOULD FIND NO DIFFICULTY WHATSOEVER IN RUNNING THE CITY, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SCARED OF.

CONTINUING TO BRING OUTSIDERS HERE TO RUN THE CITY WILL CONTINUE TO SUBVERT SEDONAS COMMUNITY, CHARACTER, HERITAGE AND VALUES, AND WILL CONTINUE TO PRIORITIZE THE IDEOLOGICAL NEEDS OF STAFF OVER THE ACTUAL DEMANDS, NEEDS, AND WANTS OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.

NO MORE OUT OF TOWN CITY MANAGERS.

SO THIS, LET ME MAKE SURE I'M ON THE RIGHT.

HOLD ON A SEC.

I'M LOOKING FOR THE MOTION.

OH, I HAVE IT.

ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION? TWO 32ND.

YOU READY? YEAH.

UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE SCOPE OF WORK WITH INTERIM PUBLIC MANAGEMENT FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $170,000 FOR INTERIM CITY MANAGEMENT SERVICES FOR A SIX MONTH TERM.

AND TO APPROVE THE DIRECT REIMBURSEMENT OF HOUSING COSTS IN AN ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF $4,850 PER MONTH NOT TO EXCEED $30,000.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A AYE.

LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS AB 30 66, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. I HAVE ONE I'D LIKE TO BRING UP, WHICH IS, UH, I'VE ASKED MONIQUE TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON CODE OF CONDUCT AT OUR MEETINGS, AND I'D LIKE TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA TO AMEND OUR CITY CODE.

[9.f. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items.]

I WOULD AGREE.

I AGREE.

SO YOU'RE WANTING THAT IN THE CITY CODE? UH, AND OUT OF THE, UH, COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE? YEAH.

WELL ACTUALLY IT COULD BE EITHER OR BOTH.

YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY USE THIS AT YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

LET'S, LET'S MAKE IT BROAD ENOUGH.

'CAUSE YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB IN YES.

I HAVE A, A, A GOOD LOOKING AT SOME OTHER CITIES.

I'VE GONE ON THAT IN ARIZONA.

WE WILL, UH, PUT THAT ON A, UH, A SOON TO BE FUTURE AGENDA.

THANK YOU MONIQUE.

CONTINUE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND NOT ACT UPON ANY OF THEM, I THINK IS NOT A GOOD, YOU KNOW, DIRECTION.

IS THAT IT? OH, GO AHEAD CHARLOTTE.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S INTEREST AMONG THE OTHERS, BUT I, BEFORE THERE'S ANOTHER, OR CLOSE TO THE TIME THAT THERE'S ANOTHER COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THE RESULTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE FIRST TWO ONES BROUGHT BACK TO US WITH AN SO AND AN UNDERSTANDING OF IF THERE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS, IF WE AGREE WITH THEM AND WHAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING WITH THEM.

BECAUSE TO JUST

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, WE ACTUALLY HAD THAT DISCUSSION YESTERDAY, BUT WE CAN'T, WE'RE NOT AGENDAS TO TALK ABOUT IT.

, UH, WHAT I CAN SAY, COUNSELOR IS THAT YES, KEEGAN IS PLANNING TO COME BACK TO YOU TO DO EXACTLY THAT.

IT'S PART OF THE CADENCE BETWEEN THOSE IS TO DO THE DEBRIEFING AND THEN ASK YOU TO SET THE NEXT ONE, THE NEXT ONE, AND SCHEDULE YOUR TOPIC.

UM, SO IN TERMS OF THE UPCOMING MEETING SCHEDULE YEAH.

THAT'S COMING.

AND SHE DID REACH OUT REGARDING GETTING THAT ON A UPCOMING AGENDA.

[11. ADJOURNMENT ]